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-Today, whites have every hour
on television available to them.
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The Blacks have none.
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-The following program
is brought to you
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in living color on NBC.
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-This is an ABC
color presentation.
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-CBS presents this program
in color.
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[ Static ]
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♪♪
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-This is NET,
the public television network.
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-♪ Yeah, baby ♪
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[ Applause ]
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♪ Oh ♪
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♪♪
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-♪ I'm so tired of being alone,
I'm so tired of on my own ♪
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♪ Won't you help me, girl ♪
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♪ Soon as you can? ♪
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♪ Sometimes I wonder ♪
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♪ Baby ♪
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♪ If you love me
like you say you do ♪
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♪ I-I-I-I been thinking
about it, yeah ♪
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♪ And I've been trying,
next to you ♪
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♪ Sometimes have to
fold my arms, and I say ♪
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♪ I love you, baby, yeah ♪
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♪ Yeah ♪
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♪ Come on in, baby ♪
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♪ You're everything to me ♪
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♪ You're everything
to me ♪
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♪ Everything to me ♪
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♪ Oh, yeah, hey ♪
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♪♪
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♪♪
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-All of you know that
your tax dollar and mine
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is helping to pay for
the maintaining of segregation.
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This money's given to keep you
and I
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second-class citizens
here in this great country.
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-Although we are not
integrationists,
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that doesn't mean that we
in any way condone
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what those crackers are doing
in Birmingham, Alabama.
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It was only after the Negroes
began to strike back.
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It was then that Kennedy
called in the army.
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-♪ Everything's all right ♪
-Now, now, now, now.
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-We had a richness
of Black voices
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speaking to the problems
of our time.
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-This is the fruit of what
Martin Luther King
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and the protest movement
had done.
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They had awakened a generation.
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-If you don't want any trouble,
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keep your filthy white hands off
our beautiful Black children.
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-♪ If I don't rise
in the morning ♪
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-It just seemed that this was
not just foolish racists,
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that this was
some kind of attack.
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You gonna kill the president
of the United States.
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You gonna kill Malcolm X.
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They killed Bobby Kennedy,
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and they killed Martin
Luther King.
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So that whole period
was an assault
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on any kind of progressive
face of America.
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-We are determined
to raise our people
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to their traditional greatness.
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The Black community
is very conscious
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of how it is being oppressed,
and it means to change that.
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-We needed to
reimagine ourselves
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on this American landscape.
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-♪ Everything's all
right, yeah ♪
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-Somebody had to be first...
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♪♪
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and it was Ellis Haizlip.
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-♪ Ooh ♪
-"SOUL!" offers Black performers
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a chance to be meaningful,
to be relevant
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to the Black experience,
to say,
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"Just present me
as a man or a woman
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without
justifying my Blackness."
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-♪ Yes ♪
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-Ellis, to me, was, like,
the first citizen of New York
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in that New York
was absolutely his city.
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-I met Ellis in New York
in the summer of '64,
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and we became friends.
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He was doing real art.
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He was producing dance.
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He knew Donnie McKayle.
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-And that's where
I got to know him,
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and through "Black New World,"
touring Europe.
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-He knew Alvin Ailey.
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He was producing James Baldwin's
plays in Europe.
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I knew that television had
a place for his thinking
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and his artistry.
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I got the Boston station,
and I got the Pittsburgh station
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and the New York station
to do an interconnect
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called "Talking Black"
on art in the Black communities.
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So by now,
Ellis had done two shows,
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and I think he was really primed
to do something big.
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-From the Ed Sullivan
Theater on Broadway...
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-Ellis came at a time
when there were
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so few African-American images
on television
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and certainly so few positive
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African-American images
on television.
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-I'm a Negro.
-You always been a Negro,
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or are you just trying
to be fashionable?
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-When Black folks appeared
in the news,
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it was as a problem.
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-Violent crime rate is up 71%.
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-Media had been weaponized
to argue
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for the inhumanity
of African-Americans.
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-If you sit here in the central
ward of Newark
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in the Negro ghetto...
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-This tool was used
from its very inception
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to denigrate human life
as much as it could liberate it.
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-By then, there was
an occasional
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mainstream breakthrough,
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when people like Nat King Cole
and Harry Belafonte
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were given variety shows
on national television,
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but they didn't last very long.
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Harry Belafonte would dance
with a white actress on-screen,
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and the people in the South
would go crazy.
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And so they dropped the show.
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-The period was filled
with great upheaval.
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It was an upheaval
that was necessary.
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-Cities across the country
were erupting.
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There were riots in Los Angeles,
in Detroit, in Newark.
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There were riots popping up
all over the place.
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-There was a commission
that was impaneled --
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the Kerner Commission --
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to investigate why
this uprising had happened.
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-The Kerner Commission Report
in March of '68 said,
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"We are drifting towards
two nations,
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one Black and one white,
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and the media is largely
responsible for this."
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-One of the findings
of the Kerner Commission
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was the sense
that African-Americans,
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Black people,
had no voice in broad media.
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That led to the impetus to say,
"Why don't we use educational TV
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to make sure that those voices
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that had not had access
could present their stories,
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specifically African-Americans?"
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-Produced in New York by WNDT.
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-A number of programs
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were created
for public television.
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"Black Journal,"
which was a program
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that came out of New York;
it was a documentary program.
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There were programs like
"Say Brother"
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that came out of WGBH in Boston.
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-Shows like "Like It Is"
were public-affair shows.
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-Hello, I'm Jim Lowry.
-And I'm Roxie Roker.
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-Welcome to
"Inside Bedford-Stuyvesant."
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-Public television,
which had been
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called educational television,
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was less comfortable
with live performance
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as a way of serving its public
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the way that educational TV
imagined service
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and also imagined its public.
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-This is NET, the National
Educational Television Network.
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-Even though I had known this,
I said,
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"We don't have a single person
of color on our staff
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producing anything.
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We gotta do something
about that."
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When I realized that Ellis
was beginning to like television
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and understood how it could get
his message across,
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I said, "Look, what do we see
on television?
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We see riots.
We see poverty.
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We see cameras
going through Harlem,
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showing how the garbage
isn't picked up.
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I don't hear that from you.
What I hear is how lively
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the renaissance
of the arts are
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in Black communities
around the country."
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-Ellis wanted to legitimate
all of the variety of expression
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in the arts, in particular
in the Black community,
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and that's not
"The Tonight Show" --
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or, you know,
that's not the format.
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-I think I came up
with the idea
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of a Black "Tonight Show"
on my own
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before I even talked to Ellis,
and Ellis said, "Unh-unh.
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If we're gonna do something
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for the New York
Black community,
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it's gotta be a lot deeper,
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jazzier,
even more controversial."
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-Black power!
-We want Black power.
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-Black power!
-We want Black power.
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-So we wrote up a proposal
for the Ford Foundation,
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and we got money very quickly.
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Ellis said, "What are we
gonna call this show?"
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I said, "Got any ideas, fellas?"
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He said, "What about 'Soul'?"
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I said, "Yeah, if you put
an exclamation point after it."
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-I never forget
when the show started
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and he'd strike up the band.
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It's just "Wow," you know,
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"Live and in color,
the SOUL! show."
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♪♪
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-Live and in color from
New York City,
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"SOUL!" welcomes...
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-And now, the very first
musical performance of our show,
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Sarah Dash, Nona Hendryx,
Patricia Holte,
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also known as Patti LaBelle
and the Bluebelles.
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♪ Somewhere over ♪
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♪ The rainbow ♪
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♪ Way, way ♪
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♪ Up high ♪
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-I mean, look at the first show.
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Essentially, we got stars
and future stars.
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Patti LaBelle
and the Bluebelles,
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yes, they'd been around,
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but not on television.
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-♪ Why ♪
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♪ Oh, why ♪
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♪ Can't ♪
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♪♪
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♪ I? ♪
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♪ Oh, why, why? ♪
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-The first show was -- it was --
I don't know how to explain it.
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The air was electric.
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-♪ Let me tell you one and all ♪
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-We were all very excited
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because we knew it was
something new and special.
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-The very first show starts,
and Novella Nelson's face
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is the face
of the introductory sequence.
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-♪ To this hole in the wall ♪
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-Ellis would bring in people who
he had seen or heard or knew.
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Novella Nelson, who had
never been on television.
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-♪ It would be heaven for
a cat ♪
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♪ Of cold water flat ♪
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[ Applause ]
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-And then there was
Billy Taylor,
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who was known in the jazz world
but not in the television world.
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-We were so excited
about someone who at last
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was beginning to do something
that really wasn't done
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often enough for us
on radio and television
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and helping people understand
what Black music was about.
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Ellis did that very well.
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-And the moment that went
on that television,
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it went boom, you know?
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"We bad.
Ain't we bad?"
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Yeah, you walked down --
you walked down the street,
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and you were dripping
badness, you know?
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-Very quickly, the word
got out about this show.
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Just seemed to spread like
lightning across the country
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that there was this true
Black show,
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true to the Black experience;
no subjects were taboo,
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provided you could put them
in decent language;
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and that it was our show.
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-With this Black priority,
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we don't have to become
a multipurpose program.
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Black people turn us
on every week
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because they know they will see
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an undiluted Black show.
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-Dr. Poussaint was the
psychiatrist from Boston
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we had brought in
to host the show.
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Alvin Poussaint was a very,
very bright,
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accomplished professor
at Harvard.
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-Ellis asked me
if I would be host.
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I mean, I wasn't in
show business,
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but the show would open,
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and I had to walk out like
I was doing "The Tonight Show."
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-Well, we had a co-host,
Loretta Long.
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-I'd done a few commercials,
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but television
was never an option for me
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'cause I didn't wanna be Beulah.
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I didn't wanna be a maid.
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-"The Beulah Show."
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-Don't let nobody tell you that
I'm in the market for a husband.
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'Course, I would be,
but they don't sell husbands
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in the market.
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-"SOUL!" gave me
this wonderful opportunity
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of being on television.
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I think Dr. Poussaint
was even more nervous
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than -- than I was.
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-I think he did three shows,
and then we asked him
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as politely
as we could to step down.
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Who are we gonna find?
So Ellis had a cousin, Harold,
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who was the head
of a school in New York.
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-I was the headmaster
of the New Lincoln School,
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a private, pre-kindergarten
through 12 school.
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Ellis said he wanted me
to do the show.
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So I was moving along
in my day job,
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often dressed with my blazer
and sometimes a bowtie,
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and then when it was time
to do the show,
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my hair came out a bit
with my blow comb.
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It came out -- looked like
Moses, sort of.
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You know, hair out to here and
around, down to my shoulders,
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shirt open, chains,
polyester suits, heels,
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tiptoeing out of our
West End Avenue apartment,
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going to do this show
down at Channel 13.
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And I thought, "My God, what if
one of my board members see" --
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I -- my nightmare was,
some little smart-ass kid
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would walk up to me and say,
"Is that you, Dr. Haizlip?"
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-Harold was good,
but at the end of two weeks,
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he was gone.
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And I said to Ellis,
"Are you interviewing people?"
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He said, "I'm gonna do it."
-I'm Ellis Haizlip.
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I'm Ellis Haizlip.
Good evening.
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I'm Ellis Haizlip,
the producer of "SOUL!"
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I'm Ellis Haizlip,
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and we are happy to have you
with us this evening.
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-Ladies and gentlemen,
our special guest host
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for you tonight is also
the co-producer of "SOUL!",
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Ellis Haizlip.
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-I said, "Ellis,
you're not an interviewer.
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You're not a journalist.
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I love you,
but this isn't your thing.
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-Hello, and thank you.
And welcome to "SOUL!"
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We're doing our first
live show tonight,
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and, you know, we hope
you'll kinda bear with us.
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We can go up, or we can go down,
but we hope it runs evenly.
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Tonight...
-And there was Ellis,
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about as bad an interviewer
as you can possibly imagine.
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His strongest comment would be,
"Right on,"
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which hosts
aren't supposed to do.
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-What are they gonna
do for us now?
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-The poets are gonna do now
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a piece they call
"Die Nigga!!!"
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-Right.
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All right.
Very good.
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So we have the Black --
the Last Poets now doing
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"Die Nigga!!!"
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-They're doing "Waking Waters."
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-Aww. First goof on
live television.
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It's "Waking Waters."
-And we didn't even do it.
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-Yeah, we didn't do it.
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-That's me, co-producer.
First goof.
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"Waking Waters."
The Last Poets.
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-Ellis was a producer,
impresario.
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For him to articulate
his vision,
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he had to be the host of
the show.
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-We are as proud of
our militants
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as we are
of the religious element,
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and the "SOUL!" show will
reflect that pride.
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-The Last Poets are gonna do
a piece for us now,
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and I can only beg
that everyone can accept it
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in the spirit
that it's delivered.
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It's called, "Die Nigga!!!"
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The Last Poets
and "Die Nigga!!!"
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-♪ Niggas watched
Medgar Evers die ♪
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♪ Niggas watched
Emmett Till die ♪
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00:17:03,500 --> 00:17:05,667
♪ Niggas watched
Bobby Hutton die ♪
347
00:17:05,751 --> 00:17:08,292
♪ Niggas watched
James Chaney die ♪
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♪ Niggas watch niggas die! ♪
-♪ Die! Die! Die! ♪
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-♪ Niggas, niggas, niggas ♪
-♪ Die! Die! Die! ♪
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-♪ Niggas die! Niggas die! ♪
-♪ Die! Die, die, die ♪
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-♪ Die, niggas! ♪
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♪ So Black folks
can take over! ♪
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[ Cheering and applause ]
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-Damn, I thought
it was pretty risky.
355
00:17:27,626 --> 00:17:31,584
These are guys that never would
have been heard by anyone
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if Ellis hadn't been
brave enough to do it.
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And I gotta tell you,
I was glad I was teaching school
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because I figured we were done.
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Stick a fork in it,
we're done.
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-There is just no way
that any other station
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would've touched that.
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00:17:48,042 --> 00:17:53,876
-That was important because
we knew that you can't just say,
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"I'm Black," and go with that.
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You gotta do something.
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You gotta show how Black you are
by your actions.
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00:18:00,125 --> 00:18:02,667
-'Cause we had, like,
at least six "nigga" poems.
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We had "Die Nigga!!!"
and then we had
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00:18:04,584 --> 00:18:06,125
"Niggers Are Scared
of Revolution."
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♪ Niggers
are scared of revolution ♪
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00:18:08,292 --> 00:18:12,375
So we were definitely trying
to "de-niggerize" our people.
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00:18:12,459 --> 00:18:13,834
-That's quite a statement.
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00:18:13,918 --> 00:18:16,459
You know, and when I was
listening to The Last Poets
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and that, I kept watching
Barbara and Loretta.
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And what were you feeling
while that was going on?
375
00:18:22,209 --> 00:18:23,584
-I was thinking,
"It's about time
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00:18:23,667 --> 00:18:26,876
I hear something besides
'blondes have more fun'."
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[ Laughter and applause ]
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-Ellis found a vehicle
for himself in the arts
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at Howard University
in Washington.
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-He found himself
in the theater.
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He didn't come there
as a theater person.
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The Howard Players created plays
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where they trained actors
and technicians.
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They brought in the theater
of the world.
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00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:50,584
-The Howard had great shows
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00:18:50,667 --> 00:18:52,792
and the finest artists
in the world.
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00:18:52,876 --> 00:18:55,751
I never missed Louis Jordan
and His Tympany Five.
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00:18:55,834 --> 00:18:59,500
Then we went to the Elks Hall,
and there were recitations,
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00:18:59,584 --> 00:19:03,626
Langston Hughes's poetry
and Paul Laurence Dunbar.
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00:19:03,709 --> 00:19:06,500
We just -- we had the best
of everything
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00:19:06,584 --> 00:19:09,626
if you're not thinking
about money.
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00:19:12,417 --> 00:19:15,000
-Ellis began going to New York.
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00:19:15,083 --> 00:19:17,334
He would go to see a show
or whatever,
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00:19:17,417 --> 00:19:20,292
and he would stay
for three, four, five days.
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00:19:20,375 --> 00:19:24,125
-Ellis's younger sister, Janet,
loved New York.
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00:19:24,209 --> 00:19:26,042
She is ready to hop on the train
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and go to any show or production
or invitation
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that Ellis extended to her.
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00:19:30,751 --> 00:19:35,125
There was such a tight bond
between Ellis and Janet.
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♪♪
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00:19:38,959 --> 00:19:43,500
-But Janet married a man
who was altogether different
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00:19:43,584 --> 00:19:45,292
from her family,
403
00:19:45,375 --> 00:19:49,667
and Ellis knew the price
that she paid for that.
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00:19:49,751 --> 00:19:59,083
♪♪
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00:19:59,167 --> 00:20:02,542
-Ellis had some early credits
as a producer
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00:20:02,626 --> 00:20:06,751
and was gaining support
for his vision.
407
00:20:08,334 --> 00:20:12,292
This theater thing was going
to be the stage
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00:20:12,375 --> 00:20:15,918
on which
Ellis's life would bloom.
409
00:20:17,834 --> 00:20:21,959
-I met Ellis
in the summer of '63.
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00:20:22,042 --> 00:20:24,083
He was the stage manager
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00:20:24,167 --> 00:20:26,542
of a James Weldon Johnson
production
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00:20:26,626 --> 00:20:28,417
of "Trumpets of the Lord."
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00:20:28,500 --> 00:20:30,500
Ellis told me that
he and a friend
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00:20:30,584 --> 00:20:32,709
wanted to produce
"The Amen Corner"
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00:20:32,792 --> 00:20:35,375
in the context
of a European tour.
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00:20:35,459 --> 00:20:37,751
While I lived on Sheridan Square
and Ellis
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00:20:37,834 --> 00:20:40,292
would come up frequently
in the evenings,
418
00:20:40,375 --> 00:20:44,209
I was also meeting with
James Baldwin from time to time.
419
00:20:44,292 --> 00:20:48,292
Jimmy and Ellis didn't perhaps
get along terribly well at first
420
00:20:48,375 --> 00:20:52,751
because they both
were extreme personalities.
421
00:20:52,834 --> 00:20:57,042
But once they started working
together on "The Amen Corner,"
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00:20:57,125 --> 00:20:59,751
they got along very well
and worked together very well.
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00:20:59,834 --> 00:21:03,250
Jimmy was very pleased
with Ellis's ideas.
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00:21:03,334 --> 00:21:07,250
They became close friends
during the tour.
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00:21:07,334 --> 00:21:13,250
♪♪
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00:21:13,334 --> 00:21:19,375
These are the postcards Ellis
wrote from the European tour,
427
00:21:19,459 --> 00:21:21,626
he's in Italy,
and then he says,
428
00:21:21,709 --> 00:21:24,876
"As usual, all goes well,
expecting Jimmy here.
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00:21:24,959 --> 00:21:28,500
Dawdling off
for one mad Roman holiday."
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00:21:28,584 --> 00:21:31,709
Presumably with Jimmy,
I don't know.
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00:21:31,792 --> 00:21:35,375
♪♪
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00:21:35,459 --> 00:21:37,918
-And I often wondered, "How
does he know all these people?"
433
00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:41,125
And they knew him
and they loved him,
434
00:21:41,209 --> 00:21:43,792
and it wasn't so much
what he would do for them
435
00:21:43,876 --> 00:21:47,500
as the relationship
that he had developed with them,
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00:21:47,584 --> 00:21:50,417
which they treasured.
437
00:21:50,500 --> 00:21:53,459
-Ellis had this black book,
thick notebook,
438
00:21:53,542 --> 00:21:56,292
and he'd open up that book,
and magic would come out of it.
439
00:21:56,375 --> 00:21:58,292
-Do you have any joy in --
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00:21:58,375 --> 00:22:00,792
any particular joy
that overrides any other
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00:22:00,876 --> 00:22:02,751
in anything
that you've done, James?
442
00:22:02,834 --> 00:22:04,459
-No, the best book --
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00:22:04,542 --> 00:22:07,626
a writer's best book
is his next book.
444
00:22:07,709 --> 00:22:09,167
You know?
I mean that.
445
00:22:09,250 --> 00:22:11,709
I'm not -- I'm not joking.
-Hey, we're running short.
446
00:22:11,792 --> 00:22:13,292
What are we gonna do
about the O' Jays?
447
00:22:13,375 --> 00:22:15,626
-The first season of 39 shows,
they were all live,
448
00:22:15,709 --> 00:22:17,667
so no one knew
what was gonna be on them
449
00:22:17,751 --> 00:22:19,500
except Ellis and his staff.
450
00:22:19,584 --> 00:22:23,000
-♪ Yes, nobody loves me ♪
451
00:22:23,083 --> 00:22:24,667
♪ Nobody seems to care ♪
452
00:22:24,751 --> 00:22:27,751
♪ Speaking of worries
and sorrow, darling ♪
453
00:22:27,834 --> 00:22:29,834
♪ You know I've had my share ♪
454
00:22:29,918 --> 00:22:33,542
♪♪
455
00:22:33,626 --> 00:22:36,042
-The FCC couldn't stop you.
456
00:22:36,125 --> 00:22:37,042
No one can interrupt.
457
00:22:37,125 --> 00:22:38,667
There was no seven-second delay.
458
00:22:38,751 --> 00:22:41,125
You could do
anything you wanted.
459
00:22:41,209 --> 00:22:42,792
-I think one of
the most beautiful things
460
00:22:42,876 --> 00:22:46,709
is that there's a unity among us
all because we're all Black,
461
00:22:46,792 --> 00:22:49,959
and that kind of soul
and that device goes together.
462
00:22:50,042 --> 00:22:51,542
You agree, Marion?
-Oh, yes, I agree.
463
00:22:51,626 --> 00:22:55,876
-My recollection of
the first year
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00:22:55,959 --> 00:22:57,918
is cemented forever
465
00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:00,876
with Wilson Pickett
and Marion Williams
466
00:23:00,959 --> 00:23:03,042
in the last show
of the year together.
467
00:23:03,125 --> 00:23:06,375
-♪ Oh, happy day ♪
-♪ Oh, happy day ♪
468
00:23:06,459 --> 00:23:08,542
-♪ Oh, happy day ♪
-♪ Oh, happy day ♪
469
00:23:08,626 --> 00:23:12,375
-It was the most glorious thing,
and Odetta was in the audience.
470
00:23:12,459 --> 00:23:14,375
No one had known it until then,
and she gets up,
471
00:23:14,459 --> 00:23:15,709
and she starts dancing.
472
00:23:15,792 --> 00:23:17,959
The whole audience is dancing.
473
00:23:18,042 --> 00:23:21,042
-♪ Whoo ♪
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00:23:21,125 --> 00:23:22,375
♪ It's everywhere ♪
475
00:23:22,459 --> 00:23:25,375
-♪ Oh, happy day ♪
476
00:23:25,459 --> 00:23:28,667
-♪ Oh, happy day ♪
477
00:23:28,751 --> 00:23:30,250
♪ When I get to heaven ♪
478
00:23:30,334 --> 00:23:32,709
♪ Oh, happy day ♪
479
00:23:32,792 --> 00:23:35,250
-My fellow Americans,
480
00:23:35,334 --> 00:23:38,542
I ask you to share with me today
481
00:23:38,626 --> 00:23:41,959
the majesty of this moment.
482
00:23:42,042 --> 00:23:44,667
-Nixon becomes president
in 1969,
483
00:23:44,751 --> 00:23:47,083
and the Nixon administration
is quite paranoid
484
00:23:47,167 --> 00:23:50,500
about the ways that it
is covered by the media.
485
00:23:50,584 --> 00:23:55,918
-What kind of a nation we will
be is ours as to determine.
486
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:59,459
I know the heart of America
is good.
487
00:23:59,542 --> 00:24:02,083
♪♪
488
00:24:02,167 --> 00:24:05,000
-Nixon sees the media
as a liberal force
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00:24:05,083 --> 00:24:08,292
opposed to the president's
policies and administration.
490
00:24:08,375 --> 00:24:11,459
"SOUL!" is broadcasting in
a moment when there is,
491
00:24:11,542 --> 00:24:12,959
from the highest levels,
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00:24:13,042 --> 00:24:18,834
hostility to liberal political
expression on television.
493
00:24:18,918 --> 00:24:21,167
-We've actually presented
Black poets
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00:24:21,250 --> 00:24:22,959
from the very beginning
of "SOUL!"
495
00:24:23,042 --> 00:24:25,083
and that has
been revolutionary.
496
00:24:25,167 --> 00:24:28,125
Just name one other
consistent TV outlet
497
00:24:28,209 --> 00:24:32,500
for those Black poets who have
been playing such a major role
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00:24:32,584 --> 00:24:35,626
in helping Black people deal
with today's reality.
499
00:24:35,709 --> 00:24:37,792
[ Cheering and applause ]
500
00:24:37,876 --> 00:24:39,959
-Ever been kidnapped by a poet?
501
00:24:40,042 --> 00:24:41,959
If I were a poet,
I'd kidnap you,
502
00:24:42,042 --> 00:24:44,626
put you in my phrases,
and meter you to Jones Beach
503
00:24:44,709 --> 00:24:47,667
or maybe Coney Island,
or maybe just to my house,
504
00:24:47,751 --> 00:24:50,542
lyric you in lilacs,
dash you in the rain,
505
00:24:50,626 --> 00:24:53,083
blend into the beach
to complement my sea.
506
00:24:53,167 --> 00:24:56,125
Play the lyre for you,
ode you with my love song.
507
00:24:56,209 --> 00:24:57,709
Anything to win you.
508
00:24:57,792 --> 00:25:00,751
Wrap you in the red-black-green,
show you off to Mama, yeah.
509
00:25:00,834 --> 00:25:03,500
If I were a poet,
I'd kidnap you.
510
00:25:03,584 --> 00:25:07,125
Hi.
-This was all emerging.
511
00:25:07,209 --> 00:25:10,083
It was a new world,
and Ellis was a --
512
00:25:10,167 --> 00:25:11,584
was a gardener,
513
00:25:11,667 --> 00:25:14,834
and he cultivated
all of these people.
514
00:25:14,918 --> 00:25:16,834
-That's where the genius
of Ellis, I think,
515
00:25:16,918 --> 00:25:18,334
was most apparent.
516
00:25:18,417 --> 00:25:20,334
He had an eye for people
517
00:25:20,417 --> 00:25:24,500
who were absolutely bound
to be successful in this country
518
00:25:24,584 --> 00:25:26,584
and who had not
yet been discovered,
519
00:25:26,667 --> 00:25:27,918
but Ellis had seen them,
520
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:29,459
had witnessed them,
had experienced them,
521
00:25:29,542 --> 00:25:32,209
and put them
right there in front.
522
00:25:32,292 --> 00:25:33,918
-Yeah!
-I know we don't normally
523
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,667
get a chance
to sing our own songs,
524
00:25:36,751 --> 00:25:39,292
and we're gonna do
this particular number.
525
00:25:39,375 --> 00:25:41,459
♪♪
526
00:25:41,542 --> 00:25:45,000
♪ Ooh, ooh, ooh ♪
527
00:25:45,083 --> 00:25:46,792
♪ Ooh, ooh ♪
528
00:25:46,876 --> 00:25:51,792
♪ Ooh, ooh, ooh ♪
-♪ Oh, yeah ♪
529
00:25:51,876 --> 00:25:55,000
♪ Ooh ♪
530
00:25:55,083 --> 00:25:57,959
-♪ Mm ♪
-♪ Ooh, hey ♪
531
00:25:58,042 --> 00:26:00,626
-When we first met
Ellis Haizlip, we were young.
532
00:26:00,709 --> 00:26:02,834
We were babies.
533
00:26:02,918 --> 00:26:04,542
But he saw something in us.
534
00:26:04,626 --> 00:26:06,751
-He knew we were songwriters,
and he said,
535
00:26:06,834 --> 00:26:09,792
"I want you to come on the show,
and I want you to illustrate
536
00:26:09,876 --> 00:26:11,876
some of your songs,
and I want you" --
537
00:26:11,959 --> 00:26:14,209
-'Cause we weren't
performers at all.
538
00:26:14,292 --> 00:26:15,500
-Definitely not me.
539
00:26:15,584 --> 00:26:16,918
-We were, like, so nervous
'cause it was,
540
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:18,626
like, brand-new to us,
and all the planning
541
00:26:18,709 --> 00:26:21,459
and how we picked the singers
from the church and...
542
00:26:21,542 --> 00:26:23,709
-Yeah.
-We got the musicians together.
543
00:26:23,792 --> 00:26:26,125
-Of course,
we tried to kill it.
544
00:26:26,209 --> 00:26:32,209
-♪ Reach out and touch
somebody's hand ♪
545
00:26:32,292 --> 00:26:37,125
♪ Make this world a better place
if you can ♪
546
00:26:37,209 --> 00:26:42,500
-♪ Reach out and touch
somebody's hand ♪
547
00:26:42,584 --> 00:26:48,250
♪ Make this world a better place
if you can ♪
548
00:26:48,334 --> 00:26:50,459
-♪ Just try ♪
549
00:26:50,542 --> 00:26:52,209
-I don't know where we would be
550
00:26:52,292 --> 00:26:53,500
if it wasn't for
Ellis Haizlip.
551
00:26:53,584 --> 00:26:54,876
I mean, he put --
-There would not be
552
00:26:54,959 --> 00:26:56,876
an Ashford and Simpson
without "SOUL!"
553
00:26:56,959 --> 00:26:58,792
-He loved our music,
and he said,
554
00:26:58,876 --> 00:27:00,042
"It's gonna be on 'SOUL!'"
555
00:27:00,125 --> 00:27:01,751
And that was what was
so beautiful
556
00:27:01,834 --> 00:27:04,000
about the way
he respected our music.
557
00:27:04,083 --> 00:27:07,959
-And what he saw in us that
we hadn't yet seen in ourselves.
558
00:27:08,042 --> 00:27:11,751
[ Cheering and applause ]
559
00:27:11,834 --> 00:27:16,792
♪♪
560
00:27:16,876 --> 00:27:18,876
-He could see you in places
561
00:27:18,959 --> 00:27:20,292
that you couldn't see yourself,
562
00:27:20,375 --> 00:27:22,459
and Ellis was a "race man"
in a way.
563
00:27:22,542 --> 00:27:23,792
That was the old-time --
564
00:27:23,876 --> 00:27:27,000
not that he had any disdain
for other races,
565
00:27:27,083 --> 00:27:30,834
but that he was a strong
supporter of what we could do
566
00:27:30,918 --> 00:27:35,459
and seeing to it that our story
was being told by our people.
567
00:27:35,542 --> 00:27:37,125
That's what he did on SOUL!
568
00:27:37,209 --> 00:27:40,959
He brought out the people who
could tell the story as artists.
569
00:27:41,042 --> 00:27:44,042
-Hello, I'm Ellis Haizlip,
the producer of "SOUL!"
570
00:27:44,125 --> 00:27:47,042
And we're very happy
to have Imamu Amiri Baraka.
571
00:27:47,125 --> 00:27:50,834
He is one of the leading
Black voices of this time.
572
00:27:50,918 --> 00:27:52,834
-♪ It's Nation Time ♪
573
00:27:52,918 --> 00:27:55,292
Boo, boo!
Boo, boo, boo, boo, boo, boo.
574
00:27:55,375 --> 00:27:56,751
[ Vocalizing ]
575
00:27:56,834 --> 00:27:58,375
Boo, boo, boo, boo, boo, boo,
boo, boo, boo, boo, boo.
576
00:27:58,459 --> 00:28:00,542
[ Vocalizing ]
577
00:28:00,626 --> 00:28:02,000
Hey, ah!
578
00:28:02,083 --> 00:28:03,751
[ Continues vocalizing ]
579
00:28:03,834 --> 00:28:07,250
Boo, boo, boo, boo,
boo, boo, boo.
580
00:28:07,334 --> 00:28:09,834
♪ Singer, get up time
to nation-fy ♪
581
00:28:09,918 --> 00:28:13,709
♪ Singer, miracle fire light,
singer, airplane invisibility ♪
582
00:28:13,792 --> 00:28:16,083
♪ For the Jesus niggas
come from the grave ♪
583
00:28:16,167 --> 00:28:19,459
♪ For the Jesus niggas
dead in the cave ♪
584
00:28:19,542 --> 00:28:22,000
♪ Black Jesus nigga,
come out and strike ♪
585
00:28:22,083 --> 00:28:24,042
♪ Come out and strike ♪
-It became clear to me
586
00:28:24,125 --> 00:28:27,334
that it was time that we speak
directly to what was going on
587
00:28:27,417 --> 00:28:30,083
rather than bite our tongue
or seem diplomatic,
588
00:28:30,167 --> 00:28:32,959
that it was time to say,
"All this stuff is wrong,
589
00:28:33,042 --> 00:28:35,959
and you need to stop it,
or we gonna stop you."
590
00:28:36,042 --> 00:28:38,375
And there was a whole group
of people,
591
00:28:38,459 --> 00:28:40,542
young people getting inflamed
592
00:28:40,626 --> 00:28:42,709
by the movement
reaching new heights.
593
00:28:42,792 --> 00:28:43,959
That was the whole rise
594
00:28:44,042 --> 00:28:45,792
in the Black arts movement
in Harlem.
595
00:28:45,876 --> 00:28:49,209
We said we wanted an art
that was culturally Black.
596
00:28:49,292 --> 00:28:51,209
We wanted a art that was not
597
00:28:51,292 --> 00:28:54,375
just to titillate
the minds of the elite,
598
00:28:54,459 --> 00:28:56,125
but we wanted the art
that would contribute
599
00:28:56,209 --> 00:28:58,459
to the liberation
of Black people.
600
00:28:58,542 --> 00:29:01,292
♪ Get up, nigga,
get up ♪
601
00:29:01,375 --> 00:29:04,292
♪ It's Nation Time ♪
[ Cheering and applause ]
602
00:29:04,375 --> 00:29:07,751
That poem became kind of
an anthemic pronouncement
603
00:29:07,834 --> 00:29:11,292
of national consciousness,
really asking,
604
00:29:11,375 --> 00:29:13,667
"It's time for us to think
specifically about
605
00:29:13,751 --> 00:29:16,083
Black people
as a nation of people."
606
00:29:16,167 --> 00:29:17,751
-♪ To the beat, huh? ♪
607
00:29:17,834 --> 00:29:19,125
-The death of Malcolm X,
608
00:29:19,209 --> 00:29:22,918
in many ways, propelled
the Black arts movement.
609
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:24,876
Malcolm had left
the Nation of Islam
610
00:29:24,959 --> 00:29:27,792
and was forming
a lot of coalitions,
611
00:29:27,876 --> 00:29:30,083
really looking much
more globally
612
00:29:30,167 --> 00:29:31,876
and connecting the struggle here
613
00:29:31,959 --> 00:29:34,584
with struggles
for independence abroad,
614
00:29:34,667 --> 00:29:36,334
and the Black arts movement
615
00:29:36,417 --> 00:29:41,042
was a way of popularizing
the ideas of Blackness
616
00:29:41,125 --> 00:29:42,751
and really exploring those ideas
617
00:29:42,834 --> 00:29:44,667
and trying to define
what it meant
618
00:29:44,751 --> 00:29:47,083
to be Black
in this country,
619
00:29:47,167 --> 00:29:50,167
what it meant
to be Black on this planet.
620
00:29:50,250 --> 00:29:52,042
-The primary purpose of "SOUL!"
621
00:29:52,125 --> 00:29:56,417
is neither to educate
nor to entertain,
622
00:29:56,500 --> 00:29:58,042
but to give people a chance
623
00:29:58,125 --> 00:30:02,250
to share
in the Black experience.
624
00:30:02,334 --> 00:30:04,792
The show must do that first.
625
00:30:04,876 --> 00:30:08,083
Then it can educate
and entertain.
626
00:30:08,167 --> 00:30:10,834
"SOUL!" makes Blacks visible
in a society
627
00:30:10,918 --> 00:30:13,584
where they have been
largely invisible.
628
00:30:13,667 --> 00:30:18,250
♪♪
629
00:30:18,334 --> 00:30:20,876
I think I can suggest to you
that if you would place
630
00:30:20,959 --> 00:30:24,083
your hands on the television
set in your homes,
631
00:30:24,167 --> 00:30:26,125
you might feel
some of the vibrations
632
00:30:26,209 --> 00:30:28,792
that we are attempting
to send out tonight.
633
00:30:28,876 --> 00:30:31,125
I hope you will be able to deal
with it
634
00:30:31,209 --> 00:30:32,667
because it will be beautiful.
635
00:30:32,751 --> 00:30:35,667
So why don't we get together
and have a warm reception
636
00:30:35,751 --> 00:30:37,209
as we welcome again to "SOUL!"
637
00:30:37,292 --> 00:30:40,083
Ms. Barbara Ann Teer.
638
00:30:40,167 --> 00:30:42,500
-My mom,
Dr. Barbara Ann Teer,
639
00:30:42,584 --> 00:30:47,584
she thought that theater
was a means to galvanize folks.
640
00:30:47,667 --> 00:30:50,250
That day on "SOUL!"
was our own church --
641
00:30:50,334 --> 00:30:55,500
for us, by us,
restorative in all forms.
642
00:30:55,584 --> 00:31:00,792
-Just relax and groove
with your Blackness.
643
00:31:00,876 --> 00:31:02,876
-It was an incredible sight
644
00:31:02,959 --> 00:31:07,500
to invite people into this
complete and utter love affair
645
00:31:07,584 --> 00:31:09,250
with your Blackness.
646
00:31:09,334 --> 00:31:12,250
And there were
the most beautiful Black folks
647
00:31:12,334 --> 00:31:15,334
in the audience
sitting forward in their seats,
648
00:31:15,417 --> 00:31:18,459
holding incense,
reaching out to one another,
649
00:31:18,542 --> 00:31:23,959
and I think that level
of Black care, Black love,
650
00:31:24,042 --> 00:31:27,125
Black sister-and-brotherhood
was something that,
651
00:31:27,209 --> 00:31:32,500
in and of itself, on
national TV, was revolutionary.
652
00:31:32,584 --> 00:31:35,959
-Thank God he found that outlet
that allowed Channel 13
653
00:31:36,042 --> 00:31:39,334
to show us in all our beauty
and all our eccentricity,
654
00:31:39,417 --> 00:31:42,167
all of our opulence
and grandeur, you know?
655
00:31:42,250 --> 00:31:44,209
And so the rest of the world
could see what --
656
00:31:44,292 --> 00:31:46,584
you know, what --
who are these people
657
00:31:46,667 --> 00:31:48,250
who have been burdened by
so much
658
00:31:48,334 --> 00:31:51,042
and yet sing and carry on
659
00:31:51,125 --> 00:31:52,709
and got flair and got style?
660
00:31:52,792 --> 00:31:55,876
-♪ When she lets you fall ♪
661
00:31:55,959 --> 00:31:59,459
♪ You're like a diamond ♪
662
00:31:59,542 --> 00:32:02,459
♪ But she treats you
like glass ♪
663
00:32:02,542 --> 00:32:05,834
♪ Yet you beg her to love you ♪
664
00:32:05,918 --> 00:32:08,042
♪ Ha!
But me, you don't ask ♪
665
00:32:08,125 --> 00:32:11,500
♪ If I were your woman ♪
-♪ If you were my woman ♪
666
00:32:11,584 --> 00:32:13,083
-♪ If I were your woman ♪
667
00:32:13,167 --> 00:32:14,876
-♪ If you were
my woman ♪
668
00:32:14,959 --> 00:32:18,209
-♪ If I were your woman ♪
-♪ If you were my woman ♪
669
00:32:18,292 --> 00:32:21,834
-♪ Here's what I'd do ♪
670
00:32:21,918 --> 00:32:27,834
♪ I'd never, no, no,
stop loving you ♪
671
00:32:27,918 --> 00:32:30,459
-There were so many women
in his life.
672
00:32:30,542 --> 00:32:34,292
He loved their energy
and creativity and art.
673
00:32:34,375 --> 00:32:38,083
-Ellis Haizlip understood that
it was just an assumption
674
00:32:38,167 --> 00:32:41,042
that there were interesting
women doing interesting things,
675
00:32:41,125 --> 00:32:42,417
and he had Toni Morrison
676
00:32:42,500 --> 00:32:44,751
when she had just published
her first novel.
677
00:32:44,834 --> 00:32:47,125
He provided incredible
opportunities for Black women
678
00:32:47,209 --> 00:32:50,459
professionally at all levels.
679
00:32:50,542 --> 00:32:52,918
He had a mostly female
production staff.
680
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:56,292
I don't know if national TV
shows have that.
681
00:32:56,375 --> 00:32:58,959
-We had to put Black women
back on a stage,
682
00:32:59,042 --> 00:33:00,834
but the whole movement
was sexist.
683
00:33:00,918 --> 00:33:02,125
The NAACP was sexist.
684
00:33:02,209 --> 00:33:04,209
The movement that Martin led
was sexist.
685
00:33:04,292 --> 00:33:07,167
Everything was sexist,
make no mistake about it.
686
00:33:07,250 --> 00:33:11,375
America was homophobic
and sexist.
687
00:33:11,459 --> 00:33:13,125
It wasn't just the Black arts.
688
00:33:13,209 --> 00:33:15,375
And the thing that we did
as women
689
00:33:15,459 --> 00:33:18,042
is that we began
to break it down.
690
00:33:18,125 --> 00:33:19,292
-It's "SOUL!" --
691
00:33:19,375 --> 00:33:21,334
and this is your announcer,
Gary Byrd.
692
00:33:21,417 --> 00:33:24,209
Tonight on "SOUL!" we get
a little closer to the sisters
693
00:33:24,292 --> 00:33:27,459
as "SOUL!"
salutes the Black woman.
694
00:33:27,542 --> 00:33:31,042
-Yeah, I don't think
poetry existed actively.
695
00:33:31,125 --> 00:33:33,209
I mean, there was
the Beat Generation,
696
00:33:33,292 --> 00:33:37,584
but on television, ever,
not ever,
697
00:33:37,667 --> 00:33:39,125
until "SOUL!"
698
00:33:39,209 --> 00:33:43,125
where you could have a show that
was just dedicated to poets.
699
00:33:43,209 --> 00:33:47,125
-Brother Ellis was going to
bring Black women
700
00:33:47,209 --> 00:33:50,334
to the forefront.
701
00:33:50,417 --> 00:33:53,000
-Take my share of soul food.
702
00:33:53,083 --> 00:33:54,626
I do not wish to taste of pig,
703
00:33:54,709 --> 00:33:58,125
of either gut or grunt
from bowel or jaw.
704
00:33:58,209 --> 00:34:01,834
-Right on.
-I want caviar.
705
00:34:01,918 --> 00:34:06,125
Shrimp soufflé, sherry,
champagne,
706
00:34:06,209 --> 00:34:09,125
and not because
these are the whites' domains
707
00:34:09,209 --> 00:34:11,167
but because I'm entitled,
708
00:34:11,250 --> 00:34:13,459
for I've been VD'd enough,
709
00:34:13,542 --> 00:34:17,876
TB'd enough, hoe-cake-fed,
knock knee'd enough,
710
00:34:17,959 --> 00:34:21,584
spindly led bloodhound tree'd
enough to eat high on the hog.
711
00:34:21,667 --> 00:34:23,417
I've been hired last...
-You know, I really do think
712
00:34:23,500 --> 00:34:28,918
that Brother Ellis did more
for poetry on television,
713
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:33,375
more than any other show
on television,
714
00:34:33,459 --> 00:34:37,000
yesterday, today,
and probably tomorrow.
715
00:34:37,083 --> 00:34:39,375
-♪ Black lovers must live ♪
716
00:34:39,459 --> 00:34:42,375
♪ Push against the devils
of this world ♪
717
00:34:42,459 --> 00:34:46,417
♪ Against the creeping
whiteness of they own minds ♪
718
00:34:46,500 --> 00:34:51,959
♪ I am yo' woman, my man,
and Black women ♪
719
00:34:52,042 --> 00:34:55,334
♪ They deal in babies ♪
720
00:34:55,417 --> 00:34:58,751
♪ And sweet Black kisses ♪
721
00:34:58,834 --> 00:35:04,042
♪ And nights that multiply
by twos ♪
722
00:35:04,125 --> 00:35:07,250
-What he was doing
was simply changing --
723
00:35:07,334 --> 00:35:09,209
every night,
he was on that program,
724
00:35:09,292 --> 00:35:14,292
changing someone's mind
about Black folks...
725
00:35:14,375 --> 00:35:18,918
About Black culture,
about what it meant to be
726
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:20,500
Black in America, right?
727
00:35:20,584 --> 00:35:23,584
And what people, young people
were doing in America
728
00:35:23,667 --> 00:35:26,083
to effect change,
but he was also wise enough
729
00:35:26,167 --> 00:35:28,876
to know that he
was changing white folks, too.
730
00:35:28,959 --> 00:35:33,834
[ Playing piano ]
731
00:35:33,918 --> 00:35:36,167
♪♪
732
00:35:36,250 --> 00:35:40,209
-♪ Glory, glory ♪
733
00:35:40,292 --> 00:35:44,709
♪ Hallelujah ♪
734
00:35:44,792 --> 00:35:50,584
♪ When I lay my burden down ♪
735
00:35:50,667 --> 00:35:54,751
-To be on "SOUL!"
with such extraordinary women,
736
00:35:54,834 --> 00:35:57,042
celebrating Black women,
737
00:35:57,125 --> 00:36:00,959
was one of the great honors
of my life.
738
00:36:01,042 --> 00:36:04,959
-♪ When I lay my ♪
739
00:36:05,042 --> 00:36:07,709
♪ Burden down ♪
740
00:36:09,083 --> 00:36:11,375
♪ I'm gonna meet my ♪
741
00:36:11,459 --> 00:36:13,125
-When Sister Carmen danced...
742
00:36:13,209 --> 00:36:15,000
-♪ Dear old mother ♪
743
00:36:15,083 --> 00:36:17,167
-...time stopped in that studio.
744
00:36:17,250 --> 00:36:18,751
-♪ When I lay my ♪
745
00:36:18,834 --> 00:36:21,375
-She came out and she'd dance
and you'd close your eyes,
746
00:36:21,459 --> 00:36:23,667
and you leaned back
on your eyes,
747
00:36:23,751 --> 00:36:28,167
and you could see her
moving inside your bloodstream.
748
00:36:28,250 --> 00:36:30,083
-This piece, "Come Sunday,"
749
00:36:30,167 --> 00:36:31,876
is absolutely
one of my favorites.
750
00:36:31,959 --> 00:36:35,250
It was choreographed
by my husband, Geoffrey Holder,
751
00:36:35,334 --> 00:36:38,459
just in honor of Odetta
because we loved her so much.
752
00:36:38,542 --> 00:36:41,334
-♪ Joshua fought the battle
of Jericho ♪
753
00:36:41,417 --> 00:36:44,500
♪ And them walls
come a-tumbling down ♪
754
00:36:44,584 --> 00:36:48,792
-You know, if it touches
your soul, you can dance.
755
00:36:48,876 --> 00:36:50,918
-♪ Oh, them walls ♪
756
00:36:51,042 --> 00:36:52,876
♪ Come a-tumbling ♪
757
00:36:52,959 --> 00:36:55,834
♪ Down ♪
758
00:36:55,918 --> 00:37:01,792
♪♪
759
00:37:01,876 --> 00:37:07,626
♪♪
760
00:37:07,709 --> 00:37:10,709
-Ellis grew up in Washington.
761
00:37:10,792 --> 00:37:14,209
There were four children --
Doris, Ellis, Janet,
762
00:37:14,292 --> 00:37:16,876
and Lionel Haizlip.
763
00:37:16,959 --> 00:37:21,125
-I think he was closest to
Janet, his younger sister.
764
00:37:21,209 --> 00:37:24,500
-Seems like they had
a very idyllic childhood,
765
00:37:24,584 --> 00:37:29,292
and Ellis was always
the center of attention.
766
00:37:29,375 --> 00:37:32,292
Ellis would put on
dramatic productions
767
00:37:32,375 --> 00:37:35,250
with the neighborhood children
in their yard
768
00:37:35,334 --> 00:37:37,667
at the house on Sheriff Road.
769
00:37:37,751 --> 00:37:40,918
He was the performer,
the leader, the producer,
770
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:44,792
the one with the ideas
and the creativity.
771
00:37:46,667 --> 00:37:50,167
-My mother died when I was
17 years old.
772
00:37:50,250 --> 00:37:54,083
It was a great tragedy
in my life,
773
00:37:54,167 --> 00:37:57,000
but I often remember
her voice calling,
774
00:37:57,083 --> 00:37:59,542
"Come on, children.
775
00:37:59,626 --> 00:38:02,792
Let's have hot milk cake
before dinner,"
776
00:38:02,876 --> 00:38:06,500
and there she'd be,
stirring up this little batter,
777
00:38:06,584 --> 00:38:08,751
all of us around
the kitchen table
778
00:38:08,834 --> 00:38:11,751
together at the end
of a tired day.
779
00:38:11,834 --> 00:38:15,000
♪♪
780
00:38:15,083 --> 00:38:17,876
-After Ellis's mother died,
781
00:38:17,959 --> 00:38:21,792
my mother became almost
a surrogate for Ellis.
782
00:38:21,876 --> 00:38:27,292
His father was very, very, very
religious and very closed in.
783
00:38:27,375 --> 00:38:29,834
There were strictures
that were to be observed
784
00:38:29,918 --> 00:38:34,500
in terms of appropriate dress,
and you didn't dance.
785
00:38:34,584 --> 00:38:36,751
Well, that was just not Ellis.
It just wasn't.
786
00:38:36,834 --> 00:38:40,584
With Ellis spending increasingly
more time at our house
787
00:38:40,667 --> 00:38:42,417
rather than his own,
788
00:38:42,500 --> 00:38:45,876
I came to know
that Ellis was different.
789
00:38:45,959 --> 00:38:48,334
The term "gay" was not in vogue
at that time.
790
00:38:48,417 --> 00:38:51,417
You know, you were effeminate
or, you know,
791
00:38:51,500 --> 00:38:53,375
you had
these different interests.
792
00:38:53,459 --> 00:38:55,500
You were just different, and...
793
00:38:55,584 --> 00:38:57,000
but nobody talked about it.
794
00:38:57,083 --> 00:38:59,709
The coded word from
Uncle Ellis's father was,
795
00:38:59,792 --> 00:39:02,584
"Boy, you need to get serious
and get a job.
796
00:39:02,667 --> 00:39:05,876
You should not let this spirit
that's coming out of you --
797
00:39:05,959 --> 00:39:08,500
you should not let it
come forward,"
798
00:39:08,584 --> 00:39:10,125
and I knew
that's what he meant.
799
00:39:10,209 --> 00:39:14,667
I didn't know that he was
saying, "You can't be gay.
800
00:39:14,751 --> 00:39:16,959
You can't be a sissy.
801
00:39:17,042 --> 00:39:18,667
You can't be feminine.
802
00:39:18,751 --> 00:39:21,000
You need to be --
you need to exhibit
803
00:39:21,083 --> 00:39:24,000
masculine characteristics."
804
00:39:24,083 --> 00:39:27,375
♪♪
805
00:39:27,459 --> 00:39:31,667
That really hurt me
a lot because...
806
00:39:31,751 --> 00:39:35,042
♪♪
807
00:39:35,125 --> 00:39:38,542
...even then I knew that Ellis
was a very special person
808
00:39:38,626 --> 00:39:43,542
and that he needed
a nourishing environment
809
00:39:43,626 --> 00:39:45,876
rather than a critical one.
810
00:39:45,959 --> 00:39:54,083
♪♪
811
00:39:54,167 --> 00:39:58,709
-We're going down 48th, and
we're approaching Sheriff Road,
812
00:39:58,792 --> 00:40:03,000
which is the main street
of my life.
813
00:40:03,083 --> 00:40:05,918
[ Chuckles ]
And Ellis's life.
814
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,834
This was a Negro neighborhood,
without question.
815
00:40:08,918 --> 00:40:14,876
♪♪
816
00:40:14,959 --> 00:40:16,751
Would you look at that?
817
00:40:16,834 --> 00:40:19,292
♪♪
818
00:40:19,375 --> 00:40:20,792
This is it.
819
00:40:20,876 --> 00:40:25,083
Oh, I'd almost like to put
my arms around it and say,
820
00:40:25,167 --> 00:40:27,751
"Yeah, this is it."
This was us.
821
00:40:27,834 --> 00:40:33,417
This was where Ellis started
his life on this planet.
822
00:40:33,500 --> 00:40:38,083
-Ellis had an appreciation
for Black performance
823
00:40:38,167 --> 00:40:41,626
that I think was shaped
by his experience in the church.
824
00:40:41,709 --> 00:40:43,918
At Third Street Church of God,
825
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:49,626
we have a pew dedicated
to the memory of Ellis's father.
826
00:40:49,709 --> 00:40:51,959
There is a basic spirituality
827
00:40:52,042 --> 00:40:56,918
that perhaps surfaces
in the choice of "SOUL!" --
828
00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:01,417
gospel music, and the spirituals
and the poetry
829
00:41:01,500 --> 00:41:03,500
and the presentation
of the church.
830
00:41:03,584 --> 00:41:05,375
Ellis was steeped in that.
831
00:41:05,459 --> 00:41:06,792
-♪ How glad I am ♪
832
00:41:06,876 --> 00:41:09,626
♪ God laid his hands on me ♪
833
00:41:09,709 --> 00:41:12,292
♪ Thank you, Lord,
thank you, Lord ♪
834
00:41:12,375 --> 00:41:14,626
♪ Thank you for touching me,
Lord ♪
835
00:41:14,709 --> 00:41:16,626
♪ Thank you, Lord ♪
836
00:41:16,709 --> 00:41:22,125
♪♪
837
00:41:22,209 --> 00:41:25,626
♪ When I touch a piano, mm ♪
838
00:41:25,709 --> 00:41:30,959
[ Cheering and applause ]
839
00:41:31,042 --> 00:41:33,626
♪♪
840
00:41:33,709 --> 00:41:36,083
♪ I'm giving God the praise ♪
841
00:41:36,167 --> 00:41:41,000
-My religion is the gospel song
rather than the gospel,
842
00:41:41,083 --> 00:41:43,417
the gospel according to song.
843
00:41:43,500 --> 00:41:46,334
-♪ Throughout ♪
844
00:41:46,417 --> 00:41:48,042
♪ My earthly ♪
845
00:41:48,125 --> 00:41:49,918
♪♪
846
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:54,667
♪ My-y-y-y earthly ♪
847
00:41:54,751 --> 00:41:57,792
♪ Day, yeah ♪
848
00:41:57,876 --> 00:42:02,375
♪ Hey, yeah, yeah ♪
849
00:42:02,459 --> 00:42:07,876
[ Cheering and applause ]
850
00:42:07,959 --> 00:42:10,959
-I wanted to do my poetry gospel
because I'm Black American.
851
00:42:11,042 --> 00:42:12,667
I grew up in the Baptist Church,
852
00:42:12,751 --> 00:42:15,167
so I wanted to do
something to that music.
853
00:42:15,250 --> 00:42:17,375
That's the music in my head.
854
00:42:17,459 --> 00:42:19,375
And Ellis knew Lenny Diggs.
855
00:42:19,459 --> 00:42:22,209
Lenny lived in Harlem,
so we went up and met the choir,
856
00:42:22,292 --> 00:42:24,167
and I think everybody
was nervous,
857
00:42:24,250 --> 00:42:27,584
and he said, "Must Jesus
bear the cross alone?"
858
00:42:27,667 --> 00:42:29,626
and somebody said,
"Yeah, let Jesus,"
859
00:42:29,709 --> 00:42:32,417
and I thought,
"I love this choir."
860
00:42:32,500 --> 00:42:35,876
-♪ Oh, the billows ♪
861
00:42:35,959 --> 00:42:37,876
♪ You see the billows ♪
862
00:42:37,959 --> 00:42:41,375
♪ Yeah, are tossing high ♪
863
00:42:41,459 --> 00:42:44,709
♪ Oh, thank you, Jesus ♪
864
00:42:44,792 --> 00:42:47,125
♪ Lord, the sky ♪
865
00:42:47,209 --> 00:42:51,125
♪ The sky is o'er shadowed,
shadowed ♪
866
00:42:51,209 --> 00:42:53,042
♪ With so much blackness ♪
867
00:42:53,125 --> 00:42:54,709
♪ Oh, thank the Lord ♪
868
00:42:54,792 --> 00:42:57,709
-I mean, who would have thought
that you could make gospel music
869
00:42:57,792 --> 00:43:00,709
with modern poetry,
and that it would be something
870
00:43:00,792 --> 00:43:04,209
that people
could actually listen to?
871
00:43:04,292 --> 00:43:06,292
-♪ Lord, we need help tonight ♪
872
00:43:06,375 --> 00:43:09,751
-In the beginning was the word,
and the word was "death,"
873
00:43:09,834 --> 00:43:12,042
and the word was "nigger,"
and the word was,
874
00:43:12,125 --> 00:43:14,083
"Death to all niggers,"
and the word was,
875
00:43:14,167 --> 00:43:16,334
"Death to all life,"
and the word was,
876
00:43:16,417 --> 00:43:19,083
"Death to all peace, be still."
877
00:43:19,167 --> 00:43:21,250
-♪ Peace, be still ♪
878
00:43:21,334 --> 00:43:23,542
-The genesis was life,
879
00:43:23,626 --> 00:43:25,584
the genesis was death,
880
00:43:25,667 --> 00:43:28,542
and the genesis of death
was the genesis of war.
881
00:43:28,626 --> 00:43:30,500
Be still, peace, be still.
882
00:43:30,584 --> 00:43:32,417
-♪ Peace be still ♪
883
00:43:32,500 --> 00:43:35,417
-In the name of peace,
they waged the wars --
884
00:43:35,500 --> 00:43:36,792
ain't they got no shame?
885
00:43:36,876 --> 00:43:39,250
In the name of peace,
Lot's wife is now
886
00:43:39,334 --> 00:43:43,751
a product of the Morton Company:
no, they ain't got no shame.
887
00:43:43,834 --> 00:43:46,834
Noah packing his wife
and kiddies up for a holiday,
888
00:43:46,918 --> 00:43:48,459
row, row, row your boat,
889
00:43:48,542 --> 00:43:50,667
but why'd you leave
the unicorns, Noah, huh?
890
00:43:50,751 --> 00:43:54,250
Why'd you leave them while our
Black Madonna stood there,
891
00:43:54,334 --> 00:43:57,125
18 feet high, listening to
the rumblings of,
892
00:43:57,209 --> 00:44:00,542
"Peace, be still, be still."
893
00:44:00,626 --> 00:44:01,792
-♪ Peace, peace ♪
894
00:44:01,876 --> 00:44:03,459
-Because of the
New York Community Choir
895
00:44:03,542 --> 00:44:06,792
and because it was gospel choir,
we got played on gospel radio.
896
00:44:06,876 --> 00:44:10,334
But because it was me,
we got played on normal radio.
897
00:44:10,417 --> 00:44:12,792
It wasn't called
the spoken word then.
898
00:44:12,876 --> 00:44:15,459
If it had been spoken word,
I would have a Grammy.
899
00:44:15,542 --> 00:44:17,792
See, somebody owes me a Grammy.
900
00:44:17,876 --> 00:44:20,459
[ Applause ]
901
00:44:23,667 --> 00:44:27,083
-He wanted to present
those wonderful poets,
902
00:44:27,167 --> 00:44:29,334
Nikki Giovanni and Maya Angelou,
903
00:44:29,417 --> 00:44:31,500
but dance was one
of his main thrusts.
904
00:44:31,584 --> 00:44:35,334
-And he was so
in tune with dance.
905
00:44:35,417 --> 00:44:38,667
He was quietly taking care
of the business
906
00:44:38,751 --> 00:44:43,292
that would then
make you look great.
907
00:44:43,375 --> 00:44:46,834
-George Faison had just
left the Ailey Company,
908
00:44:46,918 --> 00:44:50,167
but he was
very anxious to choreograph.
909
00:44:50,250 --> 00:44:53,751
That's when Ellis presented
George on "SOUL!"
910
00:44:53,834 --> 00:44:58,876
And that was the beginning
of a long relationship
911
00:44:58,959 --> 00:45:01,375
with dance and camera.
912
00:45:01,459 --> 00:45:04,500
-Ellis and Stan called me
and said, "Can you do something?
913
00:45:04,584 --> 00:45:07,959
Because we want a little dance
in 'You and I.'"
914
00:45:08,042 --> 00:45:11,125
So I got two dancers,
915
00:45:11,209 --> 00:45:14,292
that was Gary DeLoatch
and Eleanor McCoy,
916
00:45:14,375 --> 00:45:17,375
to come down to the studio,
unrehearsed,
917
00:45:17,459 --> 00:45:19,918
and we did it on the spot,
918
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:23,042
and he used it
in a segment of that dance.
919
00:45:23,125 --> 00:45:26,751
It involved romantic turns
and lifts and so forth
920
00:45:26,834 --> 00:45:29,042
that would be used
in the interlude
921
00:45:29,125 --> 00:45:30,709
in Stevie Wonder's song.
922
00:45:30,792 --> 00:45:35,959
-♪ You're in my mind ♪
923
00:45:36,042 --> 00:45:40,584
♪ You know that you'll
stay here always ♪
924
00:45:40,667 --> 00:45:42,876
-"SOUL!" was one of
the only shows
925
00:45:42,959 --> 00:45:45,042
that presented Black dance,
926
00:45:45,125 --> 00:45:48,959
and Ellis was certainly
very aware of the emerging
927
00:45:49,042 --> 00:45:53,751
as well as
the seasoned choreographers.
928
00:45:53,834 --> 00:45:57,083
-♪ You and I ♪
929
00:45:57,167 --> 00:46:01,167
♪ You and I-I-I ♪
930
00:46:01,250 --> 00:46:07,042
♪ In my mind ♪
931
00:46:07,125 --> 00:46:13,918
♪ We can conquer the world ♪
932
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,250
♪ And love ♪
933
00:46:16,334 --> 00:46:24,584
♪ You and I,
you and I ♪
934
00:46:24,667 --> 00:46:28,125
♪ You and I ♪
935
00:46:28,209 --> 00:46:36,709
♪♪
936
00:46:36,792 --> 00:46:40,125
♪ Oh ♪
937
00:46:40,209 --> 00:46:42,125
♪ You and I ♪
938
00:46:42,209 --> 00:46:45,167
[ Applause ]
939
00:46:45,250 --> 00:46:50,959
♪♪
940
00:46:52,292 --> 00:46:55,375
-You've had such a success
at what I consider
941
00:46:55,459 --> 00:46:57,292
a very early age.
942
00:46:57,375 --> 00:46:59,292
First maybe you ought to tell
the audience how old you are.
943
00:46:59,375 --> 00:47:02,918
Is that cool?
-25.
944
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:04,626
-25?
-25.
945
00:47:04,709 --> 00:47:07,125
-How long have you
been singing?
946
00:47:07,209 --> 00:47:09,876
-I've been singing, um...
uh...
947
00:47:09,959 --> 00:47:14,876
since I was about 8 or 9.
948
00:47:14,959 --> 00:47:17,250
-There's a feeling
that's going around,
949
00:47:17,334 --> 00:47:21,167
and if you haven't heard about
that particular feeling
950
00:47:21,250 --> 00:47:26,751
that is going around,
the feeling is...
951
00:47:26,834 --> 00:47:30,667
♪ Loving you, baby ♪
952
00:47:30,751 --> 00:47:33,250
Oh, see there, you don't wanna
mess with that, do you?
953
00:47:33,334 --> 00:47:34,834
[ Laughs ]
954
00:47:34,918 --> 00:47:38,125
♪♪
955
00:47:38,209 --> 00:47:40,959
-Here was Al Green up here,
956
00:47:41,042 --> 00:47:44,334
singing about relationships,
957
00:47:44,417 --> 00:47:48,792
so they would cut away to
sisters in the audience.
958
00:47:48,876 --> 00:47:53,667
You could just see what was
going on behind their eyes.
959
00:47:53,751 --> 00:47:57,000
-♪ Baby, baby, baby ♪
960
00:47:57,083 --> 00:47:58,626
♪ Let me say ♪
961
00:47:58,709 --> 00:48:01,751
♪ I ♪
962
00:48:01,834 --> 00:48:04,667
♪ I'm so in love with you ♪
963
00:48:04,751 --> 00:48:06,459
Thank you! [ Chuckles ]
964
00:48:06,542 --> 00:48:11,042
♪ Whatever you want to do, mm ♪
965
00:48:11,125 --> 00:48:14,709
♪ Is all right with me ♪
966
00:48:14,792 --> 00:48:15,751
Thank you.
967
00:48:15,834 --> 00:48:20,417
♪ Oh, 'cause you make me feel ♪
968
00:48:20,500 --> 00:48:23,876
-Ellis Haizlip's ability to
really make everything cohesive,
969
00:48:23,959 --> 00:48:28,500
I mean, there was so much great
visual style to the show.
970
00:48:28,584 --> 00:48:30,250
-♪ It's all I see ♪
971
00:48:30,334 --> 00:48:32,709
♪ Oh ♪
972
00:48:32,792 --> 00:48:35,709
♪ Let's ♪
973
00:48:35,792 --> 00:48:39,250
♪ Let's stay together ♪
974
00:48:39,334 --> 00:48:42,375
-That just didn't exist anywhere
else in media at the time.
975
00:48:42,459 --> 00:48:45,375
Like, when Al Green is singing,
that backdrop,
976
00:48:45,459 --> 00:48:48,959
this multicolored,
abstract expressionist,
977
00:48:49,042 --> 00:48:50,542
looked like something off
"Star Trek,"
978
00:48:50,626 --> 00:48:53,417
these kind of glowing lights
were going on and off,
979
00:48:53,500 --> 00:48:55,000
but then there's also
these shots,
980
00:48:55,083 --> 00:48:57,042
they did from just
the back of the room
981
00:48:57,125 --> 00:48:59,834
where it's just a sea of Afros.
982
00:48:59,918 --> 00:49:03,500
Like, a sea of just big,
bulbous Afros,
983
00:49:03,584 --> 00:49:06,334
and you'd think about the Afro
being the ultimate
984
00:49:06,417 --> 00:49:09,584
kinda statement
of follicle militancy, right?
985
00:49:09,667 --> 00:49:12,125
-♪ Wow, wow ♪
986
00:49:12,209 --> 00:49:13,751
-♪ Hey ♪
987
00:49:13,834 --> 00:49:18,375
-Ellis already knew that Black
culture was world culture.
988
00:49:18,459 --> 00:49:26,125
♪♪
989
00:49:26,209 --> 00:49:28,542
Ellis already knew
that Black culture led;
990
00:49:28,626 --> 00:49:31,542
it didn't pull.
991
00:49:31,626 --> 00:49:35,542
Black culture was
the original avant garde,
992
00:49:35,626 --> 00:49:37,292
but he knew this in the '60s.
993
00:49:37,375 --> 00:49:46,834
♪♪
994
00:49:46,918 --> 00:49:48,334
-Uh-huh.
995
00:49:48,417 --> 00:49:54,209
♪♪
996
00:49:54,292 --> 00:49:58,375
-Who else would have had
Rahsaan Roland Kirk on?
997
00:49:58,459 --> 00:50:00,626
Rahsaan came on one day,
and I asked him,
998
00:50:00,709 --> 00:50:02,292
why are you having -- why the --
999
00:50:02,375 --> 00:50:04,000
He said,
"Because he's crazy."
1000
00:50:04,083 --> 00:50:09,334
♪♪
1001
00:50:09,417 --> 00:50:13,500
Rahsaan Roland Kirk
was a visionary reed player,
1002
00:50:13,584 --> 00:50:15,417
and he played three instruments
at one time.
1003
00:50:15,500 --> 00:50:17,417
He did a thing on the air,
1004
00:50:17,500 --> 00:50:19,167
and in the middle of
the performance,
1005
00:50:19,250 --> 00:50:24,667
he got so manic, he ripped up a
bridge chair with his own hands.
1006
00:50:24,751 --> 00:50:26,626
And Ellis just loved it.
1007
00:50:26,709 --> 00:50:29,667
He was outside.
He was always outside.
1008
00:50:29,751 --> 00:50:33,667
♪♪
1009
00:50:33,751 --> 00:50:38,334
That program was so beyond
its time,
1010
00:50:38,417 --> 00:50:40,542
that it was in time.
1011
00:50:40,626 --> 00:50:45,334
♪♪
1012
00:50:45,417 --> 00:50:50,042
♪♪
1013
00:50:50,125 --> 00:50:51,375
[ Encouraging shouts ]
1014
00:50:51,459 --> 00:50:58,000
♪♪
1015
00:50:58,083 --> 00:51:04,459
♪♪
1016
00:51:04,542 --> 00:51:08,042
-Ellis was a product
of his own creation.
1017
00:51:08,125 --> 00:51:11,042
-Unlike other so-called
variety shows,
1018
00:51:11,125 --> 00:51:12,876
Ellis Haizlip was
an important personality,
1019
00:51:12,959 --> 00:51:14,292
but he was not at the center,
1020
00:51:14,375 --> 00:51:17,292
even as a charismatic
and beloved figure.
1021
00:51:17,375 --> 00:51:19,459
The show was not about him
the way that
1022
00:51:19,542 --> 00:51:21,459
"Tonight Show
with Johnny Carson"
1023
00:51:21,542 --> 00:51:23,834
was about Johnny Carson.
1024
00:51:23,918 --> 00:51:26,000
-He was one of the great
listeners.
1025
00:51:26,083 --> 00:51:28,834
A lot of people
who host television
1026
00:51:28,918 --> 00:51:30,626
want to be performers,
1027
00:51:30,709 --> 00:51:32,918
and so
their personality intrudes
1028
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:35,250
in the questions they ask.
1029
00:51:35,334 --> 00:51:38,751
-This guy,
he was very, very laid back,
1030
00:51:38,834 --> 00:51:40,751
totally non-threatening,
1031
00:51:40,834 --> 00:51:44,250
and he was hurling bullets.
1032
00:51:44,334 --> 00:51:47,542
No one had to brief him
on what needed to be asked.
1033
00:51:47,626 --> 00:51:50,584
No one had to brief him
on what was gonna go on.
1034
00:51:50,667 --> 00:51:52,459
In a sense,
he was the perfect host.
1035
00:51:52,542 --> 00:51:55,542
-For all
of his mellow presentation,
1036
00:51:55,626 --> 00:51:59,667
this was blowing the lid off
the generic expectations
1037
00:51:59,751 --> 00:52:01,667
of American television.
1038
00:52:01,751 --> 00:52:04,751
-The following program
is from NET.
1039
00:52:04,834 --> 00:52:08,792
[ Cheering and applause ]
1040
00:52:08,876 --> 00:52:18,459
♪♪
1041
00:52:18,542 --> 00:52:22,834
-♪ Whoa, yeah, yeah ♪
1042
00:52:22,918 --> 00:52:26,542
-One of our main influences
in terms of our style,
1043
00:52:26,626 --> 00:52:28,959
in terms of doing choreography,
1044
00:52:29,042 --> 00:52:31,334
as well as our sound,
was The Delfonics.
1045
00:52:31,417 --> 00:52:33,792
We were very impressed by
The Delfonics.
1046
00:52:33,876 --> 00:52:39,375
-♪ Oh, baby ♪
1047
00:52:39,459 --> 00:52:42,334
-♪ Didn't I blow your mind
this time, didn't I? ♪
1048
00:52:42,417 --> 00:52:44,000
-♪ Yeah ♪
1049
00:52:44,083 --> 00:52:49,000
-♪ I thought that heart
of yours ♪
1050
00:52:49,083 --> 00:52:51,334
-Not only did
William "Poogie" Hart
1051
00:52:51,417 --> 00:52:54,500
sing like an angel,
but on stage,
1052
00:52:54,584 --> 00:52:56,334
their presentation
was so cool.
1053
00:52:56,417 --> 00:52:59,417
-♪ Baby, yeah ♪
1054
00:52:59,500 --> 00:53:02,000
-After they came out on stage,
I mean,
1055
00:53:02,083 --> 00:53:04,918
the confidence that they had
was really cool.
1056
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:07,000
So I said, you know,
I want to be like them.
1057
00:53:07,083 --> 00:53:09,667
♪♪
1058
00:53:09,751 --> 00:53:13,000
-♪ Oh, I keep asking
you questions ♪
1059
00:53:13,083 --> 00:53:15,334
-♪ You've been tellin'
me lies ♪
1060
00:53:15,417 --> 00:53:19,083
-♪ Caught you messin' around
with another guy ♪
1061
00:53:19,167 --> 00:53:20,834
-We knew how important
the show was...
1062
00:53:20,918 --> 00:53:22,709
-To our community.
-...to our community.
1063
00:53:22,792 --> 00:53:24,334
-It's the title of the show,
"SOUL!"
1064
00:53:24,417 --> 00:53:25,834
You know, it was for us.
1065
00:53:25,918 --> 00:53:28,709
-At the time we were, what,
17, 18?
1066
00:53:28,792 --> 00:53:30,584
-He was so scared.
1067
00:53:30,667 --> 00:53:32,751
-Oh, I was frightened to death!
1068
00:53:32,834 --> 00:53:35,125
I used to have
to chew on a button
1069
00:53:35,209 --> 00:53:38,375
before I went on stage
because I was so nervous.
1070
00:53:38,459 --> 00:53:43,626
-♪ I never meant to hurt you ♪
1071
00:53:43,709 --> 00:53:51,209
♪ And you always said
you'd be my girl ♪
1072
00:53:51,292 --> 00:53:54,959
-♪ Don't turn around ♪
1073
00:53:55,042 --> 00:53:57,125
-When they released
"Don't Turn Around"...
1074
00:53:57,209 --> 00:54:00,042
-We were in 11th grade.
1075
00:54:00,125 --> 00:54:03,375
We really honed
our choreography
1076
00:54:03,459 --> 00:54:06,209
to make sure that it was
on point for the show.
1077
00:54:06,292 --> 00:54:09,667
I mean, we rehearsed,
like, every day.
1078
00:54:09,751 --> 00:54:14,751
-I feel that R&B music forms
the floor for Black pride.
1079
00:54:14,834 --> 00:54:19,584
♪♪
1080
00:54:19,667 --> 00:54:24,292
♪♪
1081
00:54:24,375 --> 00:54:26,209
-Kool & The Gang
was on "SOUL!"
1082
00:54:26,292 --> 00:54:29,250
and Ellis Haizlip,
he was the smoothest guy
1083
00:54:29,334 --> 00:54:31,250
that we had met at the time.
1084
00:54:31,334 --> 00:54:33,167
That was our first
television show,
1085
00:54:33,250 --> 00:54:35,584
and that gave us
a whole lot of exposure.
1086
00:54:35,667 --> 00:54:37,292
We played "Who's Gonna Take
the Weight"
1087
00:54:37,375 --> 00:54:39,250
and "Chocolate Buttermilk."
1088
00:54:39,334 --> 00:54:41,000
That was a favorite at the time.
1089
00:54:41,083 --> 00:54:42,918
Yeah, we had
those crazy outfits,
1090
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:44,083
all of that kind of dress.
1091
00:54:44,167 --> 00:54:46,792
It was important to look
your best on TV.
1092
00:54:46,876 --> 00:54:49,959
♪♪
1093
00:54:50,042 --> 00:54:52,083
-♪ Yow! ♪
1094
00:54:52,167 --> 00:54:58,834
♪♪
1095
00:54:58,918 --> 00:55:02,334
-We had our hair styled
by the stylist at that time.
1096
00:55:02,417 --> 00:55:03,959
Her name was Diane.
1097
00:55:04,042 --> 00:55:10,459
It was the most perfect Afro cut
I have ever had in my life.
1098
00:55:10,542 --> 00:55:11,834
-When we looked at each other,
1099
00:55:11,918 --> 00:55:16,292
it was like, "Wow.
Who's that?"
1100
00:55:16,375 --> 00:55:19,250
-Ellis had a wonderful
hairdresser, Diane.
1101
00:55:19,334 --> 00:55:20,959
She did all our hair.
1102
00:55:21,042 --> 00:55:25,542
You know, at that time, we were
all wearing meticulous Afros.
1103
00:55:25,626 --> 00:55:28,292
-The whole '70s was just
a time to boogie.
1104
00:55:28,375 --> 00:55:30,834
It was a time to get down,
so we did.
1105
00:55:30,918 --> 00:55:34,626
♪♪
1106
00:55:34,709 --> 00:55:38,000
-It was about "SOUL!"
And not "Soul Train."
1107
00:55:38,083 --> 00:55:39,500
This is "SOUL!"
1108
00:55:39,584 --> 00:55:41,751
-In the midst of all of this,
Ellis got me into TV.
1109
00:55:41,834 --> 00:55:43,834
He was the first person
who allowed me
1110
00:55:43,918 --> 00:55:46,000
to produce my own show
on television,
1111
00:55:46,083 --> 00:55:48,500
and it was a hit.
1112
00:55:48,584 --> 00:55:50,375
He knew I loved Black music.
1113
00:55:50,459 --> 00:55:51,709
It is African music,
pure and simple.
1114
00:55:51,792 --> 00:55:53,209
And one day
when we're discussing it,
1115
00:55:53,292 --> 00:55:55,626
I'm talking about the virtues
of Latin music,
1116
00:55:55,709 --> 00:55:57,083
and how, in 1945,
1117
00:55:57,167 --> 00:55:59,918
Machito and Chano Pozo
and Dizzy Gillespie get together
1118
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:02,375
and form this incredible
Afro-Cuban jazz.
1119
00:56:02,459 --> 00:56:05,000
He said,
"Stop talking, baby boy,
1120
00:56:05,083 --> 00:56:07,834
would you like to do a show?"
And I was flabbergasted.
1121
00:56:07,918 --> 00:56:11,626
No one had ever given me
the opportunity to do my talent.
1122
00:56:11,709 --> 00:56:15,000
No one had ever done that.
1123
00:56:15,083 --> 00:56:16,459
Driving Latin rhythms
1124
00:56:16,542 --> 00:56:19,083
coming out of
candy store jukeboxes,
1125
00:56:19,167 --> 00:56:20,626
trumpets, trumpets, trumpets,
1126
00:56:20,709 --> 00:56:23,667
big brass mashed
with sultry fungi sprouts,
1127
00:56:23,751 --> 00:56:25,876
palm trees in the middle
of frozen streets;
1128
00:56:25,959 --> 00:56:29,375
rhythms, rhythms, rhythms,
counter-rhythms, poly-rhythms.
1129
00:56:29,459 --> 00:56:31,209
Watusi, watusi, watusi, watusi.
1130
00:56:31,292 --> 00:56:32,667
It worked out very well,
1131
00:56:32,751 --> 00:56:34,584
and I end the segment
by saying...
1132
00:56:34,667 --> 00:56:36,417
Brothers and sisters,
I have great pleasure
1133
00:56:36,500 --> 00:56:39,751
in introducing to you tonight
Mr. Tito Puente!
1134
00:56:39,834 --> 00:56:41,792
Biyaaa!
1135
00:56:41,876 --> 00:56:45,209
[ Band playing ]
1136
00:56:45,292 --> 00:56:53,250
♪♪
1137
00:56:53,334 --> 00:57:01,334
♪♪
1138
00:57:01,417 --> 00:57:02,876
-It's "SOUL!"
1139
00:57:02,959 --> 00:57:06,918
Tonight's show is entitled
"Shades of 'SOUL': Part One:"
1140
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:10,250
Varieties of the Black
and Brown Experience.
1141
00:57:10,334 --> 00:57:14,834
[ Cheering and applause ]
1142
00:57:14,918 --> 00:57:17,834
You know, Ellis has this way
of being very, very creative.
1143
00:57:17,918 --> 00:57:20,375
He'd tell you he's from
the village of Prokupi
1144
00:57:20,459 --> 00:57:22,667
or someplace when
he's feeling expansive.
1145
00:57:22,751 --> 00:57:25,000
-Have you heard
the "Let It Be" story?
1146
00:57:25,083 --> 00:57:27,709
Well, he's the one who gave
the song to the Beatles,
1147
00:57:27,792 --> 00:57:30,876
you know that, don't you?
[ Laughing ]
1148
00:57:30,959 --> 00:57:33,209
He said, "Let it be, Paul,
let it be!"
1149
00:57:33,292 --> 00:57:36,083
And they went, "Ah!"
1150
00:57:36,167 --> 00:57:40,959
-♪ Unh!
Aww, sookie, sookie now ♪
1151
00:57:41,042 --> 00:57:45,292
-There's a rent party in Harlem
and Ellis's mother Sarah
1152
00:57:45,375 --> 00:57:49,292
is there, and Duke Ellington
came and had to go to
1153
00:57:49,375 --> 00:57:50,876
another part of town.
1154
00:57:50,959 --> 00:57:53,626
He was asking Sarah
for directions,
1155
00:57:53,709 --> 00:57:56,626
and she said, "Well, you should
take the A train."
1156
00:57:56,709 --> 00:58:01,792
♪♪
1157
00:58:01,876 --> 00:58:06,459
Then that becomes the signature
musical performance
1158
00:58:06,542 --> 00:58:07,626
of Duke Ellington.
1159
00:58:07,709 --> 00:58:10,000
It is entirely apocryphal,
1160
00:58:10,083 --> 00:58:12,876
it never happened,
but it's a great story.
1161
00:58:12,959 --> 00:58:15,250
-Ellis told me about the affairs
he had had
1162
00:58:15,334 --> 00:58:16,542
with Princess Margaret,
1163
00:58:16,626 --> 00:58:18,959
the Dalai Lama,
and Lyndon Johnson.
1164
00:58:19,042 --> 00:58:21,876
I told him
that that was impossible.
1165
00:58:21,959 --> 00:58:23,792
And he looked at me and smiled,
1166
00:58:23,876 --> 00:58:26,375
but sort of sympathetically,
and said,
1167
00:58:26,459 --> 00:58:29,709
"David, don't you know
that I lie?"
1168
00:58:29,792 --> 00:58:36,042
♪♪
1169
00:58:36,125 --> 00:58:39,792
-Ellis was always
looking for the edge
1170
00:58:39,876 --> 00:58:44,334
in the conversations that he had
between writers and poets.
1171
00:58:44,417 --> 00:58:45,918
♪♪
1172
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:47,667
-Ellis said,
"If you could do anything,
1173
00:58:47,751 --> 00:58:49,959
what would you like to do?"
and I said, "That's too easy.
1174
00:58:50,042 --> 00:58:52,000
I'd love to talk
to Jimmy Baldwin."
1175
00:58:52,083 --> 00:58:53,626
He said, "I know Jimmy."
1176
00:58:53,709 --> 00:58:55,334
Well, Baldwin said to Ellis,
"You know, I'd love to do it,
1177
00:58:55,417 --> 00:58:57,667
but I don't have time to come
to the United States,"
1178
00:58:57,751 --> 00:59:01,000
and Ellis said,
"How about London?"
1179
00:59:01,083 --> 00:59:03,167
-Here was James Baldwin
on national television
1180
00:59:03,250 --> 00:59:09,125
in a two-hour special being
interviewed by Nikki Giovanni,
1181
00:59:09,209 --> 00:59:14,834
and here was Baldwin,
the homosexual poet...
1182
00:59:14,918 --> 00:59:16,626
You know, those two words,
1183
00:59:16,709 --> 00:59:18,918
you mentioned them
in the commercial stations,
1184
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:21,375
and people go running
from the room.
1185
00:59:21,459 --> 00:59:25,417
Here was this icon
of American literature,
1186
00:59:25,500 --> 00:59:27,959
forget Black literature,
of American literature
1187
00:59:28,042 --> 00:59:30,417
being interviewed
by an iconic poet.
1188
00:59:30,500 --> 00:59:33,375
-When our game starts running,
and after all --
1189
00:59:33,459 --> 00:59:35,751
after all, baby,
we have survived
1190
00:59:35,834 --> 00:59:37,626
the roughest game
in the history of the world.
1191
00:59:37,709 --> 00:59:40,542
-Yeah.
-You know, we really have.
1192
00:59:40,626 --> 00:59:42,709
No matter what we say
against ourselves, you know,
1193
00:59:42,792 --> 00:59:45,083
no matter what our limits
and hang-ups are,
1194
00:59:45,167 --> 00:59:47,083
you know, we have
come through some --
1195
00:59:47,167 --> 00:59:48,834
we have come through
something, you know?
1196
00:59:48,918 --> 00:59:52,042
And if we can get this far,
we can get further, you know,
1197
00:59:52,125 --> 00:59:54,667
and we got this far by means
which no one understands,
1198
00:59:54,751 --> 00:59:56,918
including you and me.
1199
00:59:57,000 --> 00:59:58,500
We're only beginning
to apprehend it,
1200
00:59:58,584 --> 01:00:00,792
and you're a poet precisely
because you were beginning
1201
01:00:00,876 --> 01:00:04,500
to apprehend it
and put into a form, you know,
1202
01:00:04,584 --> 01:00:06,876
which will be useful
for your kid
1203
01:00:06,959 --> 01:00:09,167
and his kid,
you know, and for the world.
1204
01:00:09,250 --> 01:00:10,834
-The Brits shot it.
It was really funny.
1205
01:00:10,918 --> 01:00:13,083
You know, Jimmy talked
with his hands, as do I,
1206
01:00:13,167 --> 01:00:16,375
and so there was a lot of time
they were shooting our hands.
1207
01:00:16,459 --> 01:00:18,375
We did not have
an American director,
1208
01:00:18,459 --> 01:00:20,083
who would have
shot our faces.
1209
01:00:20,167 --> 01:00:22,459
-'Cause we're not obliged to
accept the world's definitions.
1210
01:00:22,542 --> 01:00:24,334
Just because white people
say they're white,
1211
01:00:24,417 --> 01:00:26,000
we're not obliged
to believe it.
1212
01:00:26,083 --> 01:00:29,125
You know, just 'cause the pope
says he's a Christian,
1213
01:00:29,209 --> 01:00:30,876
we're not obliged to believe it.
1214
01:00:30,959 --> 01:00:32,751
-And we'd be crazy
if we did.
1215
01:00:32,834 --> 01:00:34,292
-We gotta make
our own definitions
1216
01:00:34,375 --> 01:00:36,876
and begin to rule
the world that way.
1217
01:00:36,959 --> 01:00:40,626
Because kids, white and Black,
1218
01:00:40,709 --> 01:00:44,792
cannot use what they have
been given, you know?
1219
01:00:44,876 --> 01:00:46,751
-And they're rejecting it.
-They're rejecting it.
1220
01:00:46,834 --> 01:00:48,959
Nobody wants to become
the president of Pan Am
1221
01:00:49,042 --> 01:00:50,959
or the governor of California,
1222
01:00:51,042 --> 01:00:53,584
or a Spiro T. Agnew.
1223
01:00:53,667 --> 01:00:55,125
The kids want to live.
1224
01:00:55,209 --> 01:00:56,459
-What I most loved about
1225
01:00:56,542 --> 01:00:58,292
the James Baldwin-
Nikki Giovanni episode
1226
01:00:58,375 --> 01:01:00,167
is you could see
James Baldwin's fire,
1227
01:01:00,250 --> 01:01:05,125
which of course you get on
the pages of anything he writes,
1228
01:01:05,209 --> 01:01:08,792
but the intonation,
all the ways in which he conveys
1229
01:01:08,876 --> 01:01:12,667
and articulates his words
with his whole body,
1230
01:01:12,751 --> 01:01:15,375
you get that, but you also get
this kind of mentorship
1231
01:01:15,459 --> 01:01:16,834
that he's offering her.
1232
01:01:16,918 --> 01:01:19,667
-Why do we as Black writers
seem to be so hung up
1233
01:01:19,751 --> 01:01:22,876
in the truth?
-No one yet believes really,
1234
01:01:22,959 --> 01:01:25,209
there is such a thing
as a Black writer.
1235
01:01:25,292 --> 01:01:29,083
A Black writer is still
a freak, you know?
1236
01:01:29,167 --> 01:01:32,000
A dancing dog.
1237
01:01:32,083 --> 01:01:36,584
We don't yet exist in the
imagination of this century,
1238
01:01:36,667 --> 01:01:38,667
and we cannot afford
to play games.
1239
01:01:38,751 --> 01:01:40,459
There's too much at stake.
1240
01:01:40,542 --> 01:01:43,584
-But there has to be a way
to do what we do and survive,
1241
01:01:43,667 --> 01:01:45,876
which is, to me,
what seems to be missing.
1242
01:01:45,959 --> 01:01:48,542
-Sweetheart, sweetheart,
1243
01:01:48,626 --> 01:01:51,334
our ancestors taught us
how to do that.
1244
01:01:51,417 --> 01:01:52,918
We have survived until now.
1245
01:01:53,042 --> 01:01:54,500
What we call
"Black literature"...
1246
01:01:54,584 --> 01:01:57,918
-James Baldwin gave me a sense
for the first time
1247
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:01,375
that the artist had a role
as a citizen
1248
01:02:01,459 --> 01:02:03,959
that was uniquely potent.
1249
01:02:04,042 --> 01:02:06,959
-Our job is to present
Black culture,
1250
01:02:07,042 --> 01:02:10,042
and R&B music
is a vital part of that.
1251
01:02:10,125 --> 01:02:11,834
Entertainment
can be a deep business.
1252
01:02:11,918 --> 01:02:13,876
It's not all just
finger-popping time.
1253
01:02:13,959 --> 01:02:17,709
We give exposure to
Black artists of all types,
1254
01:02:17,792 --> 01:02:21,125
people whom you practically
never see on white TV,
1255
01:02:21,209 --> 01:02:24,209
and I feel good about
what we're doing.
1256
01:02:24,292 --> 01:02:28,918
♪♪
1257
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:30,584
-There was a lot of music
on television.
1258
01:02:30,667 --> 01:02:32,375
There was
"Don Kirshner's Rock Concert,"
1259
01:02:32,459 --> 01:02:34,584
"Midnight Special,"
"Bandstand."
1260
01:02:34,667 --> 01:02:37,626
"Soul Train" hadn't really
surfaced at that point.
1261
01:02:37,709 --> 01:02:42,834
-♪ Ooh, hey! ♪
1262
01:02:42,918 --> 01:02:44,918
On all those other shows,
artists would come on,
1263
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:47,250
they'd stand up on a platform,
and they'd,
1264
01:02:47,334 --> 01:02:48,959
in most cases,
lip-sync.
1265
01:02:49,042 --> 01:02:50,959
On "SOUL!",
there were several groups
1266
01:02:51,042 --> 01:02:52,792
that had their first
TV experience,
1267
01:02:52,876 --> 01:02:56,459
and for most of 'em it was
their first actual live
1268
01:02:56,542 --> 01:02:58,083
performing on television.
1269
01:02:58,167 --> 01:03:01,125
-And here now, the elements
of the universe,
1270
01:03:01,209 --> 01:03:04,209
Earth, Wind & Fire.
1271
01:03:04,292 --> 01:03:08,250
[ Applause ]
1272
01:03:08,334 --> 01:03:13,542
♪♪
1273
01:03:13,626 --> 01:03:16,667
-Earth, Wind & Fire,
it was a big deal for them.
1274
01:03:16,751 --> 01:03:18,292
Maurice was real excited
1275
01:03:18,375 --> 01:03:23,167
because he was actually gonna be
performing live on television,
1276
01:03:23,250 --> 01:03:25,959
and he knew the show
was gonna show nationally.
1277
01:03:26,042 --> 01:03:33,584
♪♪
1278
01:03:33,667 --> 01:03:41,250
♪♪
1279
01:03:41,334 --> 01:03:48,709
♪♪
1280
01:03:48,792 --> 01:03:50,834
-We copied the idea from
Earth, Wind & Fire
1281
01:03:50,918 --> 01:03:53,125
of playing
without playing.
1282
01:03:53,209 --> 01:03:54,292
Like...
1283
01:03:54,375 --> 01:04:01,834
[ Clapping in time ]
1284
01:04:01,918 --> 01:04:05,667
And "SOUL!" was
an important part
1285
01:04:05,751 --> 01:04:08,042
of my cultural daily intake.
1286
01:04:08,125 --> 01:04:16,667
♪♪
1287
01:04:16,751 --> 01:04:22,000
-We always speak of ourselves
as sons and daughters of kings.
1288
01:04:22,083 --> 01:04:25,500
So we have a right to refer
to ourselves as Your Highness,
1289
01:04:25,584 --> 01:04:28,667
but when we say "highness"
now in our communities,
1290
01:04:28,751 --> 01:04:30,959
we're not talking
about royalty,
1291
01:04:31,042 --> 01:04:34,709
so this is called
"Bad News for Your Highness."
1292
01:04:34,792 --> 01:04:38,000
It's a song to deposed kings.
1293
01:04:38,083 --> 01:04:40,667
-Well, you know, that was
such a common topic
1294
01:04:40,751 --> 01:04:41,918
because, remember, dope --
1295
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:45,709
the dope thing was
just out to lunch.
1296
01:04:45,792 --> 01:04:48,250
-Dope is shit,
shit-eater.
1297
01:04:48,334 --> 01:04:51,709
Put shit in your arm,
in your mama's tears.
1298
01:04:51,792 --> 01:04:53,542
When they drag you out a hallway
1299
01:04:53,626 --> 01:04:56,000
and Sheldon Baloney
giggles about it,
1300
01:04:56,083 --> 01:04:57,876
what difference do it make?
1301
01:04:57,959 --> 01:04:59,626
Stay high, sucker chump.
1302
01:04:59,709 --> 01:05:01,876
Yeah, dope is shit.
1303
01:05:01,959 --> 01:05:04,250
Yeah, stay high, sucker chump.
1304
01:05:04,334 --> 01:05:06,334
-The president of the station
said,
1305
01:05:06,417 --> 01:05:10,083
"Well, this is -- this is gonna
get taken off the air,"
1306
01:05:10,167 --> 01:05:12,250
and Ellis said,
"Let 'em take it off."
1307
01:05:12,334 --> 01:05:14,167
I said, "Then you're gonna rob
the audience
1308
01:05:14,250 --> 01:05:16,792
of hearing some great poetry
1309
01:05:16,876 --> 01:05:19,209
because you won't
let me bleep it."
1310
01:05:19,292 --> 01:05:22,083
He said, "All right, bleep it,
but bleep it loud."
1311
01:05:22,167 --> 01:05:24,250
-Dope is shit!
[ Delayed bleep]
1312
01:05:24,334 --> 01:05:26,667
Put shit in your arm,
in your mama's tears.
1313
01:05:26,751 --> 01:05:29,751
[ Test tone ]
1314
01:05:29,834 --> 01:05:34,500
-My first appearance on "SOUL!"
was in 1971.
1315
01:05:34,584 --> 01:05:37,584
I was a dancer,
I danced with Ailey,
1316
01:05:37,667 --> 01:05:41,334
but I was growing up
in a political world,
1317
01:05:41,417 --> 01:05:45,417
and I had created
a dance called "Poppy,"
1318
01:05:45,500 --> 01:05:49,250
which was very topical
because it dealt with drugs.
1319
01:05:49,334 --> 01:05:51,459
The metaphor come to life
1320
01:05:51,542 --> 01:05:56,125
was this spider character
that I had created,
1321
01:05:56,209 --> 01:06:00,083
and I illustrated through
several vignettes
1322
01:06:00,167 --> 01:06:04,459
what heroin can do to a life.
1323
01:06:04,542 --> 01:06:11,459
[ Laughing maniacally ]
1324
01:06:13,083 --> 01:06:16,584
♪♪
1325
01:06:16,667 --> 01:06:19,834
Ellis saw this dance
and was really taken by it
1326
01:06:19,918 --> 01:06:22,626
because he dealt
with social issues.
1327
01:06:22,709 --> 01:06:27,083
♪♪
1328
01:06:27,167 --> 01:06:29,667
-America's public enemy
number one
1329
01:06:29,751 --> 01:06:31,667
in the United States
1330
01:06:31,751 --> 01:06:34,042
is drug abuse.
1331
01:06:34,125 --> 01:06:36,167
In order to fight
and defeat this enemy,
1332
01:06:36,250 --> 01:06:41,125
it is necessary to wage
a new all-out offensive.
1333
01:06:41,209 --> 01:06:45,500
♪♪
1334
01:06:45,584 --> 01:06:49,125
-Ellis Haizlip,
he did not mind controversy.
1335
01:06:49,209 --> 01:06:51,709
I mean, he had
Minister Farrakhan on his show.
1336
01:06:51,792 --> 01:06:53,918
-In the interview
with Minister Louis Farrakhan,
1337
01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:56,250
he raises the issue
of homosexuality,
1338
01:06:56,334 --> 01:06:58,334
but he also lets
Minister Farrakhan speak.
1339
01:06:58,417 --> 01:07:02,542
-I mean, who else would have
had Minister Farrakhan
1340
01:07:02,626 --> 01:07:07,667
at the time that he was being
reviled in the United States?
1341
01:07:07,751 --> 01:07:10,542
Ellis was a openly gay male.
1342
01:07:10,626 --> 01:07:13,209
He knew the homophobia
of the Nation of Islam,
1343
01:07:13,292 --> 01:07:15,167
and he sat right beside him
1344
01:07:15,250 --> 01:07:18,125
and asked him some
incisive questions.
1345
01:07:18,209 --> 01:07:21,042
-Very recently, and this
probably gets back
1346
01:07:21,125 --> 01:07:24,959
to the morality or immorality,
1347
01:07:25,042 --> 01:07:27,542
we have seen quite
a few incidents
1348
01:07:27,626 --> 01:07:29,500
where prisoners --
1349
01:07:29,584 --> 01:07:32,042
and I think
it's a known fact
1350
01:07:32,125 --> 01:07:33,417
that quite a few of the people
1351
01:07:33,500 --> 01:07:36,042
who had been brought
to the Nation of Islam
1352
01:07:36,125 --> 01:07:37,709
have discovered
their righteousness
1353
01:07:37,792 --> 01:07:40,209
while incarcerated
in a prison --
1354
01:07:40,292 --> 01:07:43,876
and one of the things
that most males
1355
01:07:43,959 --> 01:07:47,000
and, now I understand
from the news that's coming out,
1356
01:07:47,083 --> 01:07:49,209
a lot of females
have to deal with
1357
01:07:49,292 --> 01:07:52,876
is homosexual relations
in prisons.
1358
01:07:52,959 --> 01:07:56,209
How can they serve
the Nation of Islam,
1359
01:07:56,292 --> 01:07:59,584
and does the fact that a man is
a homosexual have anything to do
1360
01:07:59,667 --> 01:08:01,626
that would negate
his coming into the Nation
1361
01:08:01,709 --> 01:08:04,584
and being dealt with
by the Nation of Islam?
1362
01:08:04,667 --> 01:08:07,167
-I think that when one looks
at that episode,
1363
01:08:07,250 --> 01:08:11,042
you're seeing Ellis
taking Farrakhan to task
1364
01:08:11,125 --> 01:08:13,083
in terms
of sexual orientation
1365
01:08:13,167 --> 01:08:15,500
and not sweeping it
under the rug,
1366
01:08:15,584 --> 01:08:19,417
and Farrakhan,
from what I could glean,
1367
01:08:19,500 --> 01:08:22,125
was --
responded with a sermon.
1368
01:08:22,209 --> 01:08:25,250
-Let me say this,
my dear brother,
1369
01:08:25,334 --> 01:08:28,918
and to you
in our viewing audience.
1370
01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:33,876
The Honorable Elijah Muhammad
has been raised up by Allah
1371
01:08:33,959 --> 01:08:37,083
not to condemn our people,
1372
01:08:37,167 --> 01:08:41,459
but to reclaim the fallen
Black man of America.
1373
01:08:41,542 --> 01:08:43,500
-Farrakhan literally --
it's, like, 4 1/2 minutes,
1374
01:08:43,584 --> 01:08:47,209
I've timed it -- you know,
kind of, like, canned speech.
1375
01:08:47,292 --> 01:08:48,959
The audience loves it.
1376
01:08:49,042 --> 01:08:50,584
It's an offensive speech
in many ways.
1377
01:08:50,667 --> 01:08:53,542
-And we will take this one
but leave this one off.
1378
01:08:53,626 --> 01:08:57,417
Who are we to pass
that kind of judgment
1379
01:08:57,500 --> 01:08:59,459
on our brothers and sisters?
1380
01:08:59,542 --> 01:09:02,918
We know the question
should be asked,
1381
01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:07,125
whence came this perversion
1382
01:09:07,209 --> 01:09:08,792
or this deviation?
1383
01:09:08,876 --> 01:09:11,250
-And he was also, you know,
preaching to the choir
1384
01:09:11,334 --> 01:09:13,709
because he had all his folks
there, you know,
1385
01:09:13,792 --> 01:09:15,959
and the Nation of Islam
was in the audience,
1386
01:09:16,042 --> 01:09:17,292
which was very interesting
1387
01:09:17,375 --> 01:09:19,042
'cause there was that call
and response.
1388
01:09:19,125 --> 01:09:25,792
-Man by nature is inclined to
and leans toward the female.
1389
01:09:25,876 --> 01:09:28,584
-Right.
-And the female by nature
1390
01:09:28,667 --> 01:09:30,542
leans toward the male.
1391
01:09:30,626 --> 01:09:31,959
-Yes, sir.
-Now, we wanna know,
1392
01:09:32,042 --> 01:09:34,375
whence came this deviation?
-Yes!
1393
01:09:34,459 --> 01:09:36,584
-Whence came this perversion?
1394
01:09:36,667 --> 01:09:40,000
-And after that Ellis Haizlip
says, "You're amazing,"
1395
01:09:40,083 --> 01:09:41,500
and I don't think he's saying,
"You're amazing
1396
01:09:41,584 --> 01:09:43,334
'cause I think
what you're saying is right."
1397
01:09:43,417 --> 01:09:45,417
"You're amazing 'cause look at
the power with which you speak.
1398
01:09:45,500 --> 01:09:48,250
Look at how you rally.
Look how you make people feel,"
1399
01:09:48,334 --> 01:09:49,834
and there's something
valuable about that.
1400
01:09:49,918 --> 01:09:53,417
-I get the sense that Ellis
did not need him --
1401
01:09:53,500 --> 01:09:56,375
his approval, you know,
to be himself,
1402
01:09:56,459 --> 01:10:02,042
and I think that Ellis knew
that sexuality was fluid, and...
1403
01:10:02,125 --> 01:10:05,626
and, you know, what he got
from Farrakhan
1404
01:10:05,709 --> 01:10:10,500
was Farrakhan's conceding that,
you know, all will be accepted,
1405
01:10:10,584 --> 01:10:13,334
you know, that even though
we're gonna try to change you,
1406
01:10:13,417 --> 01:10:15,167
whether or not they're gonna
change someone,
1407
01:10:15,250 --> 01:10:17,042
you know, that's a question,
1408
01:10:17,125 --> 01:10:20,209
but he did get Farrakhan
to articulate
1409
01:10:20,292 --> 01:10:24,209
and embrace of
same-gender-loving
1410
01:10:24,292 --> 01:10:25,709
women and men,
1411
01:10:25,792 --> 01:10:30,167
and that was really powerful on,
you know, television,
1412
01:10:30,250 --> 01:10:34,375
national television
and public television, yeah.
1413
01:10:34,459 --> 01:10:37,083
[ Applause ]
1414
01:10:40,083 --> 01:10:43,292
-Ellis had balls. I always
respected Ellis. He had balls.
1415
01:10:43,375 --> 01:10:45,250
[ Chuckles ]
I have to give it to him,
1416
01:10:45,334 --> 01:10:48,250
Ellis -- he had more balls
than the straight guys,
1417
01:10:48,334 --> 01:10:52,000
when it comes to repositioning
the, uh...
1418
01:10:52,083 --> 01:10:53,834
having the guts
to reposition,
1419
01:10:53,918 --> 01:10:56,584
the appreciation, understanding,
and worthiness
1420
01:10:56,667 --> 01:10:57,959
of people of color.
1421
01:10:58,042 --> 01:11:00,876
-Ellis was the most effective,
1422
01:11:00,959 --> 01:11:04,876
insidious revolutionary
that I have ever met.
1423
01:11:04,959 --> 01:11:07,334
-Protest comes in
various forms:
1424
01:11:07,417 --> 01:11:11,125
marching, sitting in,
fasting, fighting,
1425
01:11:11,209 --> 01:11:13,417
I mean, getting down with it.
1426
01:11:13,500 --> 01:11:17,000
Protest can be a brick hurtling
through some dumb window,
1427
01:11:17,083 --> 01:11:20,334
and it can be the simple
refusal to participate
1428
01:11:20,417 --> 01:11:23,042
in some inhuman
but popular act.
1429
01:11:23,125 --> 01:11:27,667
-♪ Sometimes ♪
1430
01:11:27,751 --> 01:11:32,375
♪ I feel ♪
1431
01:11:32,459 --> 01:11:41,959
♪ Like a motherless child ♪
1432
01:11:42,042 --> 01:11:43,542
♪♪
1433
01:11:43,626 --> 01:11:50,626
♪ Sometimes I feel ♪
1434
01:11:50,709 --> 01:11:55,292
-Individualism is a luxury
that we can no longer afford!
1435
01:11:55,375 --> 01:11:58,792
-The definition of Black power
is the coming together
1436
01:11:58,876 --> 01:12:01,584
of Black people to fight
for their liberation
1437
01:12:01,667 --> 01:12:04,417
by any means necessary.
1438
01:12:04,500 --> 01:12:14,167
-♪ Sometimes I feel ♪
1439
01:12:14,250 --> 01:12:17,000
♪ Like a motherless child ♪
-But I have news for you.
1440
01:12:17,083 --> 01:12:19,500
This time, there's a difference.
1441
01:12:19,584 --> 01:12:23,167
This time, we're going to win!
1442
01:12:23,250 --> 01:12:24,751
Think of America.
1443
01:12:24,834 --> 01:12:26,626
We haven't had a moment
of peace at all.
1444
01:12:26,709 --> 01:12:29,000
We've seen crime go up
at astronomical rates,
1445
01:12:29,083 --> 01:12:31,375
and we will do
what they have not done
1446
01:12:31,459 --> 01:12:33,083
and provide the peace
that Americans want.
1447
01:12:33,167 --> 01:12:35,459
-The Black Panther Party
overlooks nothing,
1448
01:12:35,542 --> 01:12:37,042
is afraid of nothing,
1449
01:12:37,125 --> 01:12:39,834
and is able to resolve a major
contradiction of our time.
1450
01:12:39,918 --> 01:12:43,584
-A necessity for order --
or law and order --
1451
01:12:43,667 --> 01:12:46,167
now that's just really
a code word for racism.
1452
01:12:46,250 --> 01:12:48,834
-You asked me, you know,
1453
01:12:48,918 --> 01:12:51,584
whether I approve of violence.
1454
01:12:51,667 --> 01:12:53,876
I mean, that just doesn't make
any sense at all.
1455
01:12:53,959 --> 01:12:56,834
-Order without progress
is tyranny.
1456
01:12:56,918 --> 01:12:59,834
You cannot have order without
progress in a free society.
1457
01:12:59,918 --> 01:13:03,709
Eventually
there'll be an explosion.
1458
01:13:03,792 --> 01:13:06,042
-This FBI agent in California
had said,
1459
01:13:06,125 --> 01:13:09,667
"The young Negroes want
something to be proud of."
1460
01:13:09,751 --> 01:13:11,083
-My fellow Americans,
1461
01:13:11,167 --> 01:13:13,459
we're going to win
because our cause is right.
1462
01:13:13,542 --> 01:13:16,083
-"But they need to know
if they become revolutionaries,
1463
01:13:16,167 --> 01:13:18,375
they'll be
dead revolutionaries."
1464
01:13:18,459 --> 01:13:24,125
-This, I say to you tonight,
is the real voice of America.
1465
01:13:24,209 --> 01:13:26,751
-I just find it incredible
because what it means
1466
01:13:26,834 --> 01:13:28,751
is that the person
who's asking that question
1467
01:13:28,834 --> 01:13:32,709
has absolutely no idea what
Black people have gone through,
1468
01:13:32,792 --> 01:13:34,792
what Black people have
experienced in this country
1469
01:13:34,876 --> 01:13:38,209
since the time the first
Black person was kidnapped
1470
01:13:38,292 --> 01:13:39,709
from the shores of Africa.
1471
01:13:39,792 --> 01:13:44,918
-♪ Like I'm almost ♪
1472
01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:49,918
♪ Done ♪
1473
01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:55,792
-♪ A long ♪
1474
01:13:55,876 --> 01:14:00,667
♪ Way ♪
1475
01:14:00,751 --> 01:14:05,417
♪ From ♪
1476
01:14:05,500 --> 01:14:08,918
♪ Home ♪
1477
01:14:09,000 --> 01:14:13,334
[ Applause ]
-Thank you. Thank you.
1478
01:14:13,417 --> 01:14:15,792
I'm Ellis Haizlip,
and we are happy to have you
1479
01:14:15,876 --> 01:14:17,250
with us this evening.
1480
01:14:17,334 --> 01:14:19,626
We're also happy to have with us
the mother
1481
01:14:19,709 --> 01:14:21,334
of the late George Jackson,
1482
01:14:21,417 --> 01:14:24,500
and we say only the body
of George Jackson is gone
1483
01:14:24,584 --> 01:14:28,250
because the spirit
of George Jackson lives on.
1484
01:14:28,334 --> 01:14:31,709
May we welcome
Mrs. Georgia Jackson
1485
01:14:31,792 --> 01:14:33,959
to New York
and "SOUL!"
1486
01:14:34,042 --> 01:14:37,209
-Ellis's approach was to find
the humanity
1487
01:14:37,292 --> 01:14:40,042
of George Jackson
through his mother,
1488
01:14:40,125 --> 01:14:42,292
and his mother
had such composure.
1489
01:14:42,375 --> 01:14:44,792
She spoke well.
She humanized her son.
1490
01:14:44,876 --> 01:14:47,959
-Mrs. Jackson,
George wrote of you,
1491
01:14:48,042 --> 01:14:51,250
and he said that you were the
perfect revolutionary mother,
1492
01:14:51,334 --> 01:14:55,167
and I wonder,
when did you first become,
1493
01:14:55,250 --> 01:14:58,834
to use a phrase, radicalized
against the system?
1494
01:14:58,918 --> 01:15:01,417
-I don't consider myself
radical.
1495
01:15:01,500 --> 01:15:04,042
I don't consider myself
militant.
1496
01:15:04,125 --> 01:15:07,584
That's a name that is put on
all the people in America
1497
01:15:07,667 --> 01:15:09,918
who speak up
for their own rights
1498
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:12,334
and who try to point out
the injustices
1499
01:15:12,417 --> 01:15:13,834
that go on in this country.
1500
01:15:13,918 --> 01:15:17,167
You're immediately named
a radical or a militant
1501
01:15:17,250 --> 01:15:19,959
or a revolutionary
or any other term
1502
01:15:20,042 --> 01:15:21,667
that they choose to hang on you,
1503
01:15:21,751 --> 01:15:25,792
but I consider myself
a Black American mother
1504
01:15:25,876 --> 01:15:28,667
fighting for justice
for all Black Americans
1505
01:15:28,751 --> 01:15:31,375
and all oppressed people
all over the world.
1506
01:15:31,459 --> 01:15:37,209
[ Applause ]
1507
01:15:37,292 --> 01:15:39,918
-He did the same thing
with Malcolm X
1508
01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:44,667
by humanizing Malcolm X through
Betty Shabazz's interview.
1509
01:15:44,751 --> 01:15:46,167
-Some people thought
of Betty Shabazz
1510
01:15:46,250 --> 01:15:48,542
as being a kind of celebrity,
but Ellis realized,
1511
01:15:48,626 --> 01:15:51,250
"Here's a woman whose husband
has been assassinated,
1512
01:15:51,334 --> 01:15:54,542
does not necessarily
have the infrastructure
1513
01:15:54,626 --> 01:15:55,959
of, you know,
the Nation of Islam
1514
01:15:56,042 --> 01:15:58,334
or any other organization
to watch over her."
1515
01:15:58,417 --> 01:16:00,792
He really thought about,
"How do we protect this woman,
1516
01:16:00,876 --> 01:16:02,834
and how do we support
the martyrs
1517
01:16:02,918 --> 01:16:06,542
and the spouses of martyrs
in the freedom struggle?"
1518
01:16:06,626 --> 01:16:11,083
-"SOUL!" was giving a voice,
TV exposure,
1519
01:16:11,167 --> 01:16:15,042
to people who were
activists, revolutionaries.
1520
01:16:15,125 --> 01:16:16,417
I was Eldridge's wife,
1521
01:16:16,500 --> 01:16:18,209
but I was also
his communications secretary.
1522
01:16:18,292 --> 01:16:20,918
The FBI was very,
very disturbed by that.
1523
01:16:21,000 --> 01:16:25,209
When I came into America
I came from Algiers;
1524
01:16:25,292 --> 01:16:28,459
I ended up on "SOUL!"
to restore an understanding
1525
01:16:28,542 --> 01:16:30,751
of what the Black Panther
party was really about.
1526
01:16:30,834 --> 01:16:32,751
-Sitting with me now
is a sister
1527
01:16:32,834 --> 01:16:35,000
who is deeply involved
in what I should call
1528
01:16:35,083 --> 01:16:37,083
"Right On"
revolutionary business.
1529
01:16:37,167 --> 01:16:38,542
She is a member of
1530
01:16:38,626 --> 01:16:40,918
the Revolutionary People's
Communications Network.
1531
01:16:41,000 --> 01:16:43,667
Kathleen Cleaver is known
to most of you
1532
01:16:43,751 --> 01:16:46,334
as the wife of
Brother Eldridge Cleaver.
1533
01:16:46,417 --> 01:16:49,042
Welcome to "SOUL!" Kathleen.
-Thank you, brother.
1534
01:16:49,125 --> 01:16:53,334
-Kathleen, given that you have
been in the struggle since 1964,
1535
01:16:53,417 --> 01:16:57,375
have two kids, do you think
you will remain in the struggle
1536
01:16:57,459 --> 01:17:00,751
for the rest of your life,
you know, in the vanguard or --
1537
01:17:00,834 --> 01:17:03,626
-I don't think I have
any alternative at this point,
1538
01:17:03,709 --> 01:17:07,626
even if I tried, even if I had
any desire to withdraw,
1539
01:17:07,709 --> 01:17:10,417
I mean, the opposition,
the enemies,
1540
01:17:10,500 --> 01:17:13,292
the forces that are opposing
the Black Panther Party,
1541
01:17:13,375 --> 01:17:15,459
that has no way diminished --
and, in fact,
1542
01:17:15,542 --> 01:17:19,250
does, to some extent,
increased the harassment,
1543
01:17:19,334 --> 01:17:21,709
intimidation, the brutality,
imprisonment
1544
01:17:21,792 --> 01:17:23,125
that they're subjected to.
1545
01:17:23,209 --> 01:17:25,542
This is serious business.
Our lives were at stake.
1546
01:17:25,626 --> 01:17:26,834
We were being threatened,
1547
01:17:26,918 --> 01:17:30,292
and the police were
very hostile to us.
1548
01:17:30,375 --> 01:17:32,834
And you're telling me
there's a hit out on me?
1549
01:17:32,918 --> 01:17:35,334
It was unnerving,
1550
01:17:35,417 --> 01:17:37,792
but that's kind of what we
signed up for
1551
01:17:37,876 --> 01:17:39,292
in revolutionary struggle.
1552
01:17:39,375 --> 01:17:40,751
It's a matter of life and death.
1553
01:17:40,834 --> 01:17:43,250
You hope you'll live,
but there is no guarantee.
1554
01:17:43,334 --> 01:17:48,792
-With all of my sense of early
love and understanding at home,
1555
01:17:48,876 --> 01:17:53,542
it took the rebellion of Black
people to create an atmosphere
1556
01:17:53,626 --> 01:17:56,125
in which I could
function at all,
1557
01:17:56,209 --> 01:18:00,292
and so remembering all of those
who fought for liberation
1558
01:18:00,375 --> 01:18:06,000
and for my freedom,
that's where my priorities are.
1559
01:18:06,083 --> 01:18:07,751
-Ellis was seditious, you know?
1560
01:18:07,834 --> 01:18:09,918
You know, no one's ever said
that about him.
1561
01:18:10,000 --> 01:18:13,959
People will say things like,
"Oh, he had a great vision,
1562
01:18:14,042 --> 01:18:17,375
and he was
a nice middle-class man," right?
1563
01:18:17,459 --> 01:18:18,500
He was seditious.
1564
01:18:18,584 --> 01:18:20,250
That whole program
was seditious.
1565
01:18:20,334 --> 01:18:22,250
-"SOUL!" was undiluted.
1566
01:18:22,334 --> 01:18:25,167
It was absolutely in your face,
1567
01:18:25,250 --> 01:18:29,918
and that was its value
and also its undoing.
1568
01:18:31,792 --> 01:18:33,584
-Now I gotta go to Vietnam.
1569
01:18:33,667 --> 01:18:36,709
They want me to go to Vietnam
to shoot some Black folks
1570
01:18:36,792 --> 01:18:38,584
that never lynched me,
never called me "nigger,"
1571
01:18:38,667 --> 01:18:41,584
never put no dog on me,
never assassinated my leaders.
1572
01:18:41,667 --> 01:18:42,959
I'm fighting to free him,
1573
01:18:43,042 --> 01:18:44,834
and my mama ain't free
in Louisville,
1574
01:18:44,918 --> 01:18:48,709
so since I gotta die,
just let me die here, now.
1575
01:18:48,792 --> 01:18:52,083
[ Cheering and applause ]
1576
01:18:52,167 --> 01:18:55,876
-♪ So, Mr. Backlash, Backlash ♪
1577
01:18:55,959 --> 01:18:59,042
♪ Who do think I am? ♪
1578
01:18:59,125 --> 01:19:02,083
♪ You raise my taxes
and freeze my wages ♪
1579
01:19:02,167 --> 01:19:05,167
♪ Send my son to Vietnam ♪
1580
01:19:05,250 --> 01:19:07,834
♪ You give me
second class houses ♪
1581
01:19:07,918 --> 01:19:10,834
♪ Second class schools ♪
1582
01:19:10,918 --> 01:19:13,125
♪ Do you think that
all colored people ♪
1583
01:19:13,209 --> 01:19:16,209
♪ Are just
second class fools? ♪
1584
01:19:16,292 --> 01:19:20,584
♪ Mr. Backlash ♪
1585
01:19:20,667 --> 01:19:24,751
♪ I'm gonna leave you with
the blues, yes, I am ♪
1586
01:19:24,834 --> 01:19:28,000
-My intention is to box,
to win a clean fight,
1587
01:19:28,083 --> 01:19:32,918
but in war, the intention
is to kill, kill, kill, kill,
1588
01:19:33,000 --> 01:19:34,918
and continue killing
innocent people.
1589
01:19:35,000 --> 01:19:41,042
-♪ I'm warnin' you, yeah,
somehow, some way, yeah ♪
1590
01:19:41,125 --> 01:19:48,083
♪ I'm gonna leave you
with the blues ♪
1591
01:19:48,167 --> 01:19:51,709
♪♪
1592
01:19:51,792 --> 01:19:55,834
-The "SOUL!" show was offensive
to the national
1593
01:19:55,918 --> 01:19:58,125
white narrative about
1594
01:19:58,209 --> 01:20:02,125
what is allowable thought among
Black people about themselves.
1595
01:20:02,209 --> 01:20:04,000
"SOUL!" tried to be a window
1596
01:20:04,083 --> 01:20:06,792
to get through
to people of color,
1597
01:20:06,876 --> 01:20:08,709
that, here's a larger way
of seeing yourself
1598
01:20:08,792 --> 01:20:10,167
and appreciating yourself.
1599
01:20:10,250 --> 01:20:11,959
-It was an evolutionary process.
1600
01:20:12,042 --> 01:20:13,792
We grew out of Stepin Fetchit.
1601
01:20:13,876 --> 01:20:15,584
We grew out of Mantan Moreland.
1602
01:20:15,667 --> 01:20:18,792
Out of us will come yet
directors and producers
1603
01:20:18,876 --> 01:20:20,834
who will have infinitely
more freedom.
1604
01:20:20,918 --> 01:20:22,751
This freedom that we have
and the freedom that
1605
01:20:22,834 --> 01:20:25,125
they will have comes
from the strength
1606
01:20:25,209 --> 01:20:28,167
that has been husbanded now
in the Black community
1607
01:20:28,250 --> 01:20:30,584
and is being felt politically,
economically,
1608
01:20:30,667 --> 01:20:32,918
and philosophically throughout
the land.
1609
01:20:33,000 --> 01:20:35,959
-Many people assume that
with material success
1610
01:20:36,042 --> 01:20:38,751
comes a certain
kind of absolute power,
1611
01:20:38,834 --> 01:20:42,751
and I dare say
that there's no such a thing.
1612
01:20:42,834 --> 01:20:46,751
If you are Black in America,
you are Black in America.
1613
01:20:46,834 --> 01:20:48,000
-Thank you.
1614
01:20:48,083 --> 01:20:49,709
With that, I --
1615
01:20:49,792 --> 01:20:53,334
[ Applause ]
1616
01:20:53,417 --> 01:20:57,876
♪♪
1617
01:20:57,959 --> 01:21:01,626
-When Ellis loved you,
he really loved you.
1618
01:21:01,709 --> 01:21:03,584
-He became part of
an extended family
1619
01:21:03,667 --> 01:21:05,834
and for somebody like me,
it was very important
1620
01:21:05,918 --> 01:21:07,500
because my family
had been broken.
1621
01:21:07,584 --> 01:21:12,209
-Ellis was very much himself,
1622
01:21:12,292 --> 01:21:16,375
as a gay man, or two-spirited,
1623
01:21:16,459 --> 01:21:18,792
or however you wanna say it.
1624
01:21:18,876 --> 01:21:22,834
That was his magic,
being himself
1625
01:21:22,918 --> 01:21:26,542
and really allowing
for the creation
1626
01:21:26,626 --> 01:21:28,125
of a different type of family.
1627
01:21:28,209 --> 01:21:31,834
He didn't leave his family
like a lot of LGBT folks
1628
01:21:31,918 --> 01:21:33,626
of that generation
might have done.
1629
01:21:33,709 --> 01:21:35,959
He embraced that family,
even if there might
1630
01:21:36,042 --> 01:21:39,042
have been complexities
in terms of acceptance,
1631
01:21:39,125 --> 01:21:41,876
but he also was creating
his family
1632
01:21:41,959 --> 01:21:44,709
and creating
this large community
1633
01:21:44,792 --> 01:21:46,876
that he was also feeding.
1634
01:21:46,959 --> 01:21:52,375
And he also saw love,
in many ways,
1635
01:21:52,459 --> 01:21:56,626
like James Baldwin
or Bayard Rustin.
1636
01:21:56,709 --> 01:22:00,375
It was a love that was
beyond the romantic.
1637
01:22:00,459 --> 01:22:02,000
It was this vast love,
1638
01:22:02,083 --> 01:22:05,834
and everything came
from that with Ellis.
1639
01:22:05,918 --> 01:22:09,500
-And now we return
to Stevie Wonder.
1640
01:22:09,584 --> 01:22:12,375
-When Stevie was there,
he was so at home.
1641
01:22:12,459 --> 01:22:13,918
We couldn't get him
off the stage,
1642
01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:15,834
like when he did "Superstition."
1643
01:22:15,918 --> 01:22:18,959
He just went on and on and on
and on and on.
1644
01:22:19,042 --> 01:22:20,500
♪♪
1645
01:22:20,584 --> 01:22:24,918
-The artist and the audience
share in a real experience.
1646
01:22:25,000 --> 01:22:26,584
It's a love exchange.
1647
01:22:26,667 --> 01:22:30,167
The Black performers are more
at ease with the Black audience
1648
01:22:30,250 --> 01:22:33,834
and are sensitive
to its vibrations,
1649
01:22:33,918 --> 01:22:37,459
so we get a better show.
1650
01:22:37,542 --> 01:22:42,209
-♪ Very superstitious ♪
1651
01:22:42,292 --> 01:22:47,042
♪ Writing's on the wall ♪
1652
01:22:47,125 --> 01:22:49,292
♪ Very superstitious ♪
1653
01:22:49,375 --> 01:22:51,292
-We ran out of tape,
and he just went on forever.
1654
01:22:51,375 --> 01:22:54,334
I think we might have even
changed the reels,
1655
01:22:54,417 --> 01:22:56,209
those big 2-inch reels,
1656
01:22:56,292 --> 01:23:00,000
and started recording again
in the same song.
1657
01:23:00,083 --> 01:23:03,417
The place went crazy, and he
could just feel the energy.
1658
01:23:03,500 --> 01:23:05,042
He fed off of it.
1659
01:23:05,125 --> 01:23:07,250
-Like, it's one thing to watch
Stevie Wonder,
1660
01:23:07,334 --> 01:23:08,792
but my favorite thing
is watching
1661
01:23:08,876 --> 01:23:10,459
the audience
watch Stevie Wonder.
1662
01:23:10,542 --> 01:23:14,459
-♪ When you believe in things
you don't understand ♪
1663
01:23:14,542 --> 01:23:17,876
♪ Then you suffer ♪
1664
01:23:17,959 --> 01:23:21,626
♪ Superstition ain't the way ♪
1665
01:23:21,709 --> 01:23:26,876
♪ Hey, hey, hey ♪
1666
01:23:26,959 --> 01:23:30,876
-Ellis said to me,
"They're canceling our series."
1667
01:23:30,959 --> 01:23:32,500
I said, "Why?"
1668
01:23:32,584 --> 01:23:34,209
He said, "Well, you know."
1669
01:23:34,292 --> 01:23:36,959
I said, "Ellis, tell me
what you've heard."
1670
01:23:37,042 --> 01:23:38,584
He said, "Well, during
these years,
1671
01:23:38,667 --> 01:23:42,125
we've had certain complaints
about angry Black poetry,
1672
01:23:42,209 --> 01:23:43,792
too much politics,
1673
01:23:43,876 --> 01:23:46,209
or how the music is filled
with dirty words,
1674
01:23:46,292 --> 01:23:48,500
and we've heard that stations
haven't aired the show.
1675
01:23:48,584 --> 01:23:50,000
They just take it off
'cause they think
1676
01:23:50,083 --> 01:23:51,542
the content's too Black."
1677
01:23:51,626 --> 01:23:54,334
I don't know how anything
can be too Black if it's a show
1678
01:23:54,417 --> 01:23:56,667
for Black people,
but never mind.
1679
01:23:56,751 --> 01:24:00,167
-♪ When all the dark clouds ♪
1680
01:24:00,250 --> 01:24:04,876
♪ Roll away ♪
1681
01:24:04,959 --> 01:24:08,209
I'm only interested in saying
the truth,
1682
01:24:08,292 --> 01:24:11,542
because nothing
could beat that,
1683
01:24:11,626 --> 01:24:15,375
so I'll ne-- if I say the truth
and it hurts,
1684
01:24:15,459 --> 01:24:20,459
I can't help that
because I have to say the truth.
1685
01:24:20,542 --> 01:24:23,542
-Again, it is a correct
interpretation of our history
1686
01:24:23,626 --> 01:24:26,209
to let them know, hey, brother,
you're no Afro-American.
1687
01:24:26,292 --> 01:24:27,959
Ain't no such thing.
You're an African.
1688
01:24:28,042 --> 01:24:31,167
And your society, your history
don't begin 400 years.
1689
01:24:31,250 --> 01:24:33,334
Your history begins millions
and millions
1690
01:24:33,417 --> 01:24:35,417
and millions
and millions of years ago!
1691
01:24:35,500 --> 01:24:37,250
While the white boy
was in the caves,
1692
01:24:37,334 --> 01:24:39,417
your fathers were
building pyramids.
1693
01:24:39,500 --> 01:24:41,709
The Leaning Tower of Pisa
is falling.
1694
01:24:41,792 --> 01:24:43,209
The Eiffel Tower is falling.
1695
01:24:43,292 --> 01:24:44,876
The Pyramids
are standing strong.
1696
01:24:44,959 --> 01:24:46,792
You built them, brother.
Get up and work.
1697
01:24:46,876 --> 01:24:48,292
You're a scientific people.
Build.
1698
01:24:48,375 --> 01:24:50,375
Build for your people.
Don't sit down.
1699
01:24:50,459 --> 01:24:52,834
There is nothing,
nothing we cannot do.
1700
01:24:52,918 --> 01:24:55,500
All we got to do, as the
Honorable Marcus Garvey said,
1701
01:24:55,584 --> 01:24:56,751
is get up and do it.
1702
01:24:56,834 --> 01:24:58,125
We're a mighty race: up now.
1703
01:24:58,209 --> 01:24:59,751
You're a mighty race.
1704
01:24:59,834 --> 01:25:03,751
-I just had images of Blacks
all around the country saying,
1705
01:25:03,834 --> 01:25:05,834
"Yes, yes, tell him!
1706
01:25:05,918 --> 01:25:07,167
Yes!"
1707
01:25:07,250 --> 01:25:09,375
and others plotting to get
the show off the air
1708
01:25:09,459 --> 01:25:11,792
because of just what
they suspected
1709
01:25:11,876 --> 01:25:14,918
was the response
of the Black community.
1710
01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:17,250
-I have never been aggressive
1711
01:25:17,334 --> 01:25:20,792
about the treatment that
"SOUL!" has received in the past
1712
01:25:20,876 --> 01:25:22,918
with regard to its being funded
1713
01:25:23,000 --> 01:25:25,334
and subsequently projected
to the public
1714
01:25:25,417 --> 01:25:28,918
as a positive and proud
production of Channel 13.
1715
01:25:29,000 --> 01:25:32,792
However, I am more
than concerned
1716
01:25:32,876 --> 01:25:35,459
about the turn of events.
1717
01:25:35,542 --> 01:25:39,167
-Ellis says, "Well, we better
start a campaign."
1718
01:25:39,250 --> 01:25:40,709
I said, "What kind of
a campaign?"
1719
01:25:40,792 --> 01:25:44,125
-We're trying to create
programs of Black love,
1720
01:25:44,209 --> 01:25:47,584
of Black strength,
of Black encouragement,
1721
01:25:47,667 --> 01:25:51,459
and we hope that you agree
with what's going down.
1722
01:25:51,542 --> 01:25:54,334
-Yes, sir!
-And if you do agree, write us.
1723
01:25:54,417 --> 01:25:56,626
If you don't agree, write us.
1724
01:25:56,709 --> 01:25:58,792
We just need to hear from you.
1725
01:25:58,876 --> 01:26:00,709
Our address is "SOUL!" --
1726
01:26:00,792 --> 01:26:07,918
304 West 58th Street,
New York City, 10019.
1727
01:26:08,000 --> 01:26:09,292
We need your help.
1728
01:26:09,375 --> 01:26:10,959
We need your support.
1729
01:26:11,042 --> 01:26:12,334
We need your love.
1730
01:26:12,417 --> 01:26:14,083
We need your disagreement.
1731
01:26:14,167 --> 01:26:18,334
We just need to hear from you.
1732
01:26:18,417 --> 01:26:20,542
-The letters started coming in.
1733
01:26:20,626 --> 01:26:23,584
They were fantastic,
thousands of letters
1734
01:26:23,667 --> 01:26:27,042
from all walks of life,
all kinds of people.
1735
01:26:27,125 --> 01:26:29,334
One guy said, "I'm not Black,
1736
01:26:29,417 --> 01:26:32,250
but that show has got it
as far as I'm concerned."
1737
01:26:32,334 --> 01:26:34,667
One young woman wrote in
and said,
1738
01:26:34,751 --> 01:26:37,667
"We have a big, expensive
television set in the home,
1739
01:26:37,751 --> 01:26:41,042
and it gets turned on
twice a week, for 'SOUL!'
1740
01:26:41,125 --> 01:26:43,125
and for 'SOUL!'s' rerun."
1741
01:26:43,209 --> 01:26:45,667
-We hope you will continue
supporting us
1742
01:26:45,751 --> 01:26:48,083
by writing to "SOUL!"
"SOUL!"
1743
01:26:48,167 --> 01:26:49,709
"SOUL!"
"SOUL!"
1744
01:26:49,792 --> 01:26:51,876
All you have to do
is simply write to us.
1745
01:26:51,959 --> 01:26:55,876
Simply write to "SOUL!"
1746
01:26:55,959 --> 01:27:00,375
-♪ I've got a dance,
ain't got no steps, no ♪
1747
01:27:00,459 --> 01:27:05,125
♪ I'm gonna let the music
move me around, yeah ♪
1748
01:27:05,209 --> 01:27:09,542
♪ I got a dance,
I ain't got no steps, no ♪
1749
01:27:09,626 --> 01:27:12,542
♪ I'm gonna let the music
move me around ♪
1750
01:27:12,626 --> 01:27:14,876
♪ Will it go around
in circles? ♪
1751
01:27:14,959 --> 01:27:16,751
♪♪
1752
01:27:16,834 --> 01:27:22,042
♪ Will it fly high
like a bird up in the sky? ♪
1753
01:27:22,125 --> 01:27:29,250
♪♪
1754
01:27:29,334 --> 01:27:32,417
-We interrupt this program
tonight with Billy Preston,
1755
01:27:32,500 --> 01:27:37,083
the Master's Child, to tell you
that a few weeks ago,
1756
01:27:37,167 --> 01:27:41,334
the Corporation for Public
Broadcasting announced
1757
01:27:41,417 --> 01:27:44,083
those programs
which would be included
1758
01:27:44,167 --> 01:27:47,959
in its funding cycle
for next season.
1759
01:27:48,042 --> 01:27:49,918
"SOUL!" was not.
1760
01:27:50,000 --> 01:27:54,334
I repeat, "SOUL!" was not
one of the programs
1761
01:27:54,417 --> 01:27:57,083
that the Corporation
for Public Broadcasting
1762
01:27:57,167 --> 01:28:00,125
said that they would
re-fund for next season.
1763
01:28:00,209 --> 01:28:03,042
-"SOUL!" and "Black Journal,"
both of which, at that point,
1764
01:28:03,125 --> 01:28:05,083
are produced out
of Channel 13 in New York
1765
01:28:05,167 --> 01:28:08,125
are both slated
for defunding,
1766
01:28:08,209 --> 01:28:10,667
which essentially
means canceled.
1767
01:28:10,751 --> 01:28:13,584
-Nixon got in, and he had
a very different idea
1768
01:28:13,667 --> 01:28:16,209
for Corporation
for Public Broadcasting.
1769
01:28:16,292 --> 01:28:18,292
It takes a turn ever so quickly.
1770
01:28:18,375 --> 01:28:20,292
-It's part of a policy
to destroy
1771
01:28:20,375 --> 01:28:23,125
all Black programming
on the network.
1772
01:28:23,209 --> 01:28:25,125
-Ellis Haizlip is
totally correct, you know,
1773
01:28:25,209 --> 01:28:26,334
when he tells "Jet" magazine
1774
01:28:26,417 --> 01:28:27,876
and when he tells
other journalists, like,
1775
01:28:27,959 --> 01:28:30,292
"This is about getting rid
of Blacks on television."
1776
01:28:30,375 --> 01:28:32,584
-I think there's
always somebody,
1777
01:28:32,667 --> 01:28:35,959
and sometimes there are
large numbers of them,
1778
01:28:36,042 --> 01:28:38,751
who are embarrassed or irritated
1779
01:28:38,834 --> 01:28:42,375
or frightened of programs
in which people,
1780
01:28:42,459 --> 01:28:47,334
Black, white, Hispanic,
or any other nationality,
1781
01:28:47,417 --> 01:28:49,959
say exactly what
they want to say,
1782
01:28:50,042 --> 01:28:53,584
so, sure, if Ellis said
that there were people
1783
01:28:53,667 --> 01:28:55,459
who want to get rid
of all Black programming
1784
01:28:55,542 --> 01:28:57,042
in the Nixon administration,
1785
01:28:57,125 --> 01:29:00,334
I'm sure there were some people
who wanted to do that.
1786
01:29:00,417 --> 01:29:07,500
♪♪
1787
01:29:07,584 --> 01:29:15,792
♪♪
1788
01:29:50,542 --> 01:29:55,834
-I have heard that somebody
at CPB said,
1789
01:29:55,918 --> 01:29:57,709
"We have conquered racism
in America,
1790
01:29:57,792 --> 01:30:00,334
so we don't need 'SOUL!'
anymore, or 'Black Journal'."
1791
01:30:00,417 --> 01:30:03,709
If anyone did say that,
they have to be prime idiots,
1792
01:30:03,792 --> 01:30:07,709
or they were shills
for President Nixon.
1793
01:30:07,792 --> 01:30:12,000
No one in their right mind
could think that racism was dead
1794
01:30:12,083 --> 01:30:14,417
after three
or four years of SOUL!
1795
01:30:14,500 --> 01:30:17,083
If it was, then that's
a pretty good result
1796
01:30:17,167 --> 01:30:20,751
for a television series.
1797
01:30:20,834 --> 01:30:27,459
-Ellis believed that there was
no need to embroil himself
1798
01:30:27,542 --> 01:30:29,292
and to be
in the rough-and-tumble
1799
01:30:29,375 --> 01:30:30,751
politics of the streets.
1800
01:30:30,834 --> 01:30:32,000
He was a noble.
1801
01:30:32,083 --> 01:30:33,500
He was a patrician.
1802
01:30:33,584 --> 01:30:36,500
He saw no need for it,
but there was something else.
1803
01:30:36,584 --> 01:30:37,918
I remember talking to him
and saying,
1804
01:30:38,000 --> 01:30:41,417
"Ellis, what the fuck
is wrong with you?
1805
01:30:41,500 --> 01:30:43,417
Why are you standing here?
1806
01:30:43,500 --> 01:30:45,709
We're missing a show
that is so important,
1807
01:30:45,792 --> 01:30:48,250
not only to you, Ellis, it's not
only to this generation,
1808
01:30:48,334 --> 01:30:50,375
it's to all of the generations
of Black people,
1809
01:30:50,459 --> 01:30:52,417
and by the way,
all the Puerto Ricans, too!
1810
01:30:52,500 --> 01:30:55,584
I have invested in this show.
I want to support it.
1811
01:30:55,667 --> 01:30:57,417
And I've gotten
together the Lords.
1812
01:30:57,500 --> 01:30:59,292
I've just spoken to a few of
the New York Panthers,
1813
01:30:59,375 --> 01:31:00,667
the Young Lords
are ready to do it,
1814
01:31:00,751 --> 01:31:02,250
of the SDS people
are ready to do it,
1815
01:31:02,334 --> 01:31:04,125
a lot of the liberals on campus
are ready to do it.
1816
01:31:04,209 --> 01:31:06,000
Let's move on PBS.
1817
01:31:06,083 --> 01:31:07,500
Let's move on Channel 13.
1818
01:31:07,584 --> 01:31:10,584
Ellis, what they're doing is
treating us like niggers,
1819
01:31:10,667 --> 01:31:12,417
and I refuse to be
treated like that,"
1820
01:31:12,500 --> 01:31:14,500
and I started screaming.
1821
01:31:14,584 --> 01:31:22,459
And he said, "Felipe,
I am not going to get involved
1822
01:31:22,542 --> 01:31:24,125
in the politics of the streets.
1823
01:31:24,209 --> 01:31:26,459
I'm just not going to do it."
1824
01:31:26,542 --> 01:31:28,751
I said, "Ellis, do you
understand what this means?
1825
01:31:28,834 --> 01:31:31,834
We're gonna lose the damn show!
1826
01:31:31,918 --> 01:31:34,709
This is a piece of history.
Let's fight for it!"
1827
01:31:34,792 --> 01:31:36,626
He said, "If they
don't understand
1828
01:31:36,709 --> 01:31:41,334
the importance of this show,
let it go."
1829
01:31:41,417 --> 01:31:49,709
♪♪
1830
01:31:49,792 --> 01:31:58,000
♪♪
1831
01:31:58,083 --> 01:32:00,626
-Janet --
Ellis's younger sister --
1832
01:32:00,709 --> 01:32:04,292
she and her husband
lived in Washington,
1833
01:32:04,375 --> 01:32:07,584
her two older children
were teenagers,
1834
01:32:07,667 --> 01:32:09,500
and then she had
a 5-year-old.
1835
01:32:09,584 --> 01:32:14,292
His name was John.
1836
01:32:14,375 --> 01:32:19,334
He was diagnosed with a rather
serious kidney disease.
1837
01:32:19,417 --> 01:32:24,459
♪♪
1838
01:32:24,542 --> 01:32:29,417
She and her husband
had relocated to Kansas City.
1839
01:32:29,500 --> 01:32:33,167
Kansas City didn't seem
to be a happy place for her.
1840
01:32:36,042 --> 01:32:38,584
It was her 40th birthday.
1841
01:32:38,667 --> 01:32:40,959
The older children
were at school
1842
01:32:41,042 --> 01:32:43,542
and her husband's at work.
1843
01:32:43,626 --> 01:32:47,626
In her despair,
Janet put the meal on the table
1844
01:32:47,709 --> 01:32:52,751
and went to the garage,
she and the 5-year-old.
1845
01:32:52,834 --> 01:32:55,626
Janet started the car
and shut up the garage
1846
01:32:55,709 --> 01:32:58,709
and ended their lives together.
1847
01:32:58,792 --> 01:33:01,375
♪♪
1848
01:33:01,459 --> 01:33:04,459
-That was a real...
1849
01:33:04,542 --> 01:33:09,250
serious, serious, serious matter
for everybody in the family
1850
01:33:09,334 --> 01:33:11,125
and especially for Ellis.
1851
01:33:12,959 --> 01:33:14,709
I think he felt
some sense of failure
1852
01:33:14,792 --> 01:33:19,626
for not having reached out
and understood the demons
1853
01:33:19,709 --> 01:33:21,459
that she was dealing with
in some way
1854
01:33:21,542 --> 01:33:25,584
that would have been helpful for
her other than her own suicide.
1855
01:33:25,667 --> 01:33:28,918
-I like to say that
tonight's program...
1856
01:33:29,000 --> 01:33:30,584
-♪ We were alone... ♪
1857
01:33:30,667 --> 01:33:35,834
-...I dedicate
to my mother and my father
1858
01:33:35,918 --> 01:33:39,584
and to the beloved memory
of my sister, Janet,
1859
01:33:39,667 --> 01:33:42,500
and her son John.
1860
01:33:42,584 --> 01:33:50,250
-♪ Singing this song to you ♪
1861
01:33:50,334 --> 01:33:59,500
♪♪
1862
01:33:59,584 --> 01:34:01,459
-Sometimes it's necessary
1863
01:34:01,542 --> 01:34:05,959
in the evolution
of things to disappear.
1864
01:34:07,584 --> 01:34:12,500
♪♪
1865
01:34:12,584 --> 01:34:15,959
-It's "SOUL!", and tonight,
"SOUL!" says
1866
01:34:16,042 --> 01:34:18,542
to the people, thank you.
1867
01:34:18,626 --> 01:34:20,209
[ Cheering and applause ]
1868
01:34:20,292 --> 01:34:24,125
-Thank you.
Thank you.
1869
01:34:24,209 --> 01:34:26,292
Tonight, I'm a little nervous
1870
01:34:26,375 --> 01:34:29,250
'cause "SOUL!", we spent
all our money this year,
1871
01:34:29,334 --> 01:34:31,167
we did a lot,
but we blew the budget.
1872
01:34:31,250 --> 01:34:33,459
So we're doing the show tonight
kind of live.
1873
01:34:33,542 --> 01:34:38,667
So just bear with us, we haven't
done that in a long while.
1874
01:34:38,751 --> 01:34:41,250
♪♪
1875
01:34:41,334 --> 01:34:44,375
Tonight, while we're doing
a lot of thank-yous,
1876
01:34:44,459 --> 01:34:46,959
we'd like to say
there are a lot of people
1877
01:34:47,042 --> 01:34:50,167
that you don't see
when we're taping "SOUL!",
1878
01:34:50,250 --> 01:34:52,667
unless we make a mistake
and show our cameraman
1879
01:34:52,751 --> 01:34:54,500
and then we have to pay him.
1880
01:34:54,584 --> 01:34:55,959
But...
1881
01:34:56,042 --> 01:34:58,834
-Ellis really wanted it
to end
1882
01:34:58,918 --> 01:35:00,375
you know, with a bang.
1883
01:35:00,459 --> 01:35:02,500
-Bless you.
This is dedicated all to you,
1884
01:35:02,584 --> 01:35:04,375
okay?
1885
01:35:04,459 --> 01:35:11,250
♪♪
1886
01:35:11,334 --> 01:35:13,834
-I have been very fortunate
in being received
1887
01:35:13,918 --> 01:35:16,626
in many homes
across the country,
1888
01:35:16,709 --> 01:35:19,083
and I thank you
for that opportunity
1889
01:35:19,167 --> 01:35:23,042
and that privilege
of being in your homes.
1890
01:35:23,125 --> 01:35:25,292
-It was a loss.
1891
01:35:25,375 --> 01:35:27,959
It actually...
1892
01:35:28,042 --> 01:35:32,542
left a hole --
a vacuum -- in our lives,
1893
01:35:32,626 --> 01:35:34,375
because where do you go...
1894
01:35:34,459 --> 01:35:35,876
-♪ I'll miss you, baby ♪
1895
01:35:35,959 --> 01:35:37,542
♪ Miss you,
miss you, miss you ♪
1896
01:35:37,626 --> 01:35:41,250
-...when you burn with a feeling
of rage...
1897
01:35:43,459 --> 01:35:47,626
And there's nowhere
to express it
1898
01:35:47,709 --> 01:35:49,918
that anyone will hear you?
1899
01:35:50,000 --> 01:35:52,375
-♪ I ain't been
doing nothing but ♪
1900
01:35:52,459 --> 01:35:56,709
-♪ Thinking, thinking,
thinking, thinking ♪
1901
01:35:56,792 --> 01:35:59,417
-♪ With my head in my hands ♪
1902
01:35:59,500 --> 01:36:03,375
♪ Been crying, oh ♪
1903
01:36:03,459 --> 01:36:06,834
-"SOUL!" taped its first program
1904
01:36:06,918 --> 01:36:10,000
on September the 8th, 1968.
1905
01:36:10,083 --> 01:36:14,834
We began the route
of documenting our own history
1906
01:36:14,918 --> 01:36:18,125
because we know
from what we see in the media,
1907
01:36:18,209 --> 01:36:20,751
from the response we've had
from the people,
1908
01:36:20,834 --> 01:36:24,000
that "SOUL!" will be included in
the television history
1909
01:36:24,083 --> 01:36:26,959
of this decade
when things go down.
1910
01:36:27,042 --> 01:36:29,667
-I just hated to see
the demise of "SOUL!"
1911
01:36:29,751 --> 01:36:31,125
simply for the reason that,
you know,
1912
01:36:31,209 --> 01:36:34,209
you knew that they were
not going to replace it.
1913
01:36:34,292 --> 01:36:38,292
-But because I hadn't seen
enough images of myself,
1914
01:36:38,375 --> 01:36:39,709
I watched.
1915
01:36:39,792 --> 01:36:43,834
Lo and behold, I saw
Wilson Pickett, The Last Poets,
1916
01:36:43,918 --> 01:36:47,083
was introduced
to Barbara Ann Teer,
1917
01:36:47,167 --> 01:36:49,918
Billy Preston, Stevie Wonder,
Nikki Giovanni,
1918
01:36:50,000 --> 01:36:55,125
Al Green, experienced Bill
Withers and Imamu Baraka,
1919
01:36:55,209 --> 01:36:56,667
and I'm not trying to say
1920
01:36:56,751 --> 01:36:59,459
that I won't ever see
Black people on TV
1921
01:36:59,542 --> 01:37:02,959
should some unaware group
of people take "SOUL!" off.
1922
01:37:03,042 --> 01:37:05,292
It's just that I won't see
Black people
1923
01:37:05,375 --> 01:37:08,042
creating, searching,
and acting,
1924
01:37:08,125 --> 01:37:12,125
instead of researching
and reacting.
1925
01:37:12,209 --> 01:37:13,792
There exists, as far as I know,
1926
01:37:13,876 --> 01:37:17,834
no TV program that deals
with my culture so completely,
1927
01:37:17,918 --> 01:37:20,375
so freely, and so beautifully.
1928
01:37:20,459 --> 01:37:23,709
There is no alternative
to "SOUL!"
1929
01:37:23,792 --> 01:37:27,375
-What Ellis did with "SOUL!"
was human transformation.
1930
01:37:27,459 --> 01:37:31,042
-And I hope he knew he was at
the beginning of this,
1931
01:37:31,125 --> 01:37:33,584
and that was the importance,
that he was there.
1932
01:37:33,667 --> 01:37:36,584
You know, he was saying, "This
is how you do this, sucker."
1933
01:37:36,667 --> 01:37:40,542
-Although it's over,
it's not the end.
1934
01:37:40,626 --> 01:37:43,125
Black seeds keep on growing.
1935
01:37:43,209 --> 01:37:47,000
There's been a dream of mine,
and it still is a dream of mine,
1936
01:37:47,083 --> 01:37:50,500
and that is that Black people
can come together
1937
01:37:50,584 --> 01:37:55,792
and can form a union of
coexisting in an artistic world
1938
01:37:55,876 --> 01:37:57,375
where everything
can be beautiful
1939
01:37:57,459 --> 01:38:00,500
and you can avoid a lot
of the discussions and hassle
1940
01:38:00,584 --> 01:38:02,042
because they understand.
1941
01:38:02,125 --> 01:38:04,709
Black authors and poets
trying to put it on paper,
1942
01:38:04,792 --> 01:38:10,042
trying hard, Black songwriters
and singers recording soulful,
1943
01:38:10,125 --> 01:38:12,209
gospel, jazz, rock.
1944
01:38:12,292 --> 01:38:14,250
It's there, and we know it.
1945
01:38:14,334 --> 01:38:15,709
-Keep hope alive!
1946
01:38:15,792 --> 01:38:21,959
♪♪
1947
01:38:22,042 --> 01:38:23,292
-I'm reclaiming my time.
1948
01:38:23,375 --> 01:38:25,542
-The House--
-Reclaiming my time.
1949
01:38:25,626 --> 01:38:27,375
Reclaiming my time.
1950
01:38:27,459 --> 01:38:31,042
-Yes, we are all
mirror-eyed people,
1951
01:38:31,125 --> 01:38:35,209
Black people, miracle people,
spiritual people, gifted people,
1952
01:38:35,292 --> 01:38:39,834
God-given people with mirror
eyes reflecting love and hate.
1953
01:38:39,918 --> 01:38:43,500
They're our hope, our lives,
our past, present, and future.
1954
01:38:43,584 --> 01:38:47,334
Our children and their children
all need yours, ours.
1955
01:38:47,417 --> 01:38:49,250
So let's give all these
beautiful people
1956
01:38:49,334 --> 01:38:51,792
who've given me all
these vibrations
1957
01:38:51,876 --> 01:38:55,209
a warm hand.
1958
01:38:55,292 --> 01:38:56,250
-We were just mind-blown.
1959
01:38:56,334 --> 01:38:58,959
Like, "Yo, this is every day."
1960
01:38:59,042 --> 01:39:02,209
To me, that was true
Black power right there.
1961
01:39:02,292 --> 01:39:06,083
Today, some 50 years later,
can you imagine what "SOUL!"
1962
01:39:06,167 --> 01:39:08,459
would have been like
for a 20-year run?
1963
01:39:08,542 --> 01:39:12,083
Like, how different
would our lives have been?
1964
01:39:12,167 --> 01:39:15,459
-This is Ellis Haizlip
saying good night.
1965
01:39:15,542 --> 01:39:18,209
[ Applause ]
1966
01:39:18,292 --> 01:39:21,209
♪♪
1967
01:39:21,292 --> 01:39:24,417
-♪ Do you know who you are ♪
1968
01:39:24,500 --> 01:39:30,417
♪ Where you come from
and what you possess? ♪
1969
01:39:30,500 --> 01:39:34,334
♪ You're so much more
than a star ♪
1970
01:39:34,417 --> 01:39:38,751
♪ There is power
in your greatness ♪
1971
01:39:38,834 --> 01:39:44,626
♪ Oh, don't you know
you are a god and a goddess ♪
1972
01:39:44,709 --> 01:39:48,667
♪ King and a queen
most high ♪
1973
01:39:48,751 --> 01:39:54,626
♪ You are alive, you are
the one, you've been chosen ♪
1974
01:39:54,709 --> 01:39:59,167
♪ Whole world is hoping,
now is the time ♪
1975
01:39:59,250 --> 01:40:02,042
♪ So... ♪
-♪ Show me your soul ♪
1976
01:40:02,125 --> 01:40:04,834
♪ Where is your soul? ♪
1977
01:40:04,918 --> 01:40:09,500
♪ Where is your soul?
Show me your soul ♪
1978
01:40:09,584 --> 01:40:10,959
♪ Show me your soul... ♪
1979
01:40:11,042 --> 01:40:14,042
-Service to others is the rent
we pay
1980
01:40:14,125 --> 01:40:16,876
for taking up space
on the planet.
1981
01:40:16,959 --> 01:40:18,834
-♪ Show me your soul ♪
1982
01:40:18,918 --> 01:40:21,542
Ellis served a whole nation.
1983
01:40:23,500 --> 01:40:28,292
So Ellis's rent
has been fully paid.
1984
01:40:28,375 --> 01:40:32,375
-But certainly, had we more
Ellis Haizlips today,
1985
01:40:32,459 --> 01:40:35,500
more men and women
of that fabric,
1986
01:40:35,584 --> 01:40:39,792
with that kind of gift,
with that kind of passion,
1987
01:40:39,876 --> 01:40:43,584
with that kind of quest
for truth,
1988
01:40:43,667 --> 01:40:47,542
I think, by and large,
America and the world
1989
01:40:47,626 --> 01:40:52,667
would be a better place
in which to reside.
1990
01:40:52,751 --> 01:40:56,918
You don't get an ending
better than that.
1991
01:40:57,000 --> 01:40:58,500
This is over.
1992
01:40:58,584 --> 01:41:00,042
♪♪
1993
01:41:00,125 --> 01:41:02,292
-♪ Soul! The unedited version
of pure thoughts ♪
1994
01:41:02,375 --> 01:41:04,417
♪ The beauty and conversations
involved ♪
1995
01:41:04,500 --> 01:41:06,751
♪ In Giovannis and Baldwins
in the midst of the dark ♪
1996
01:41:06,834 --> 01:41:09,542
♪ A weaponized media shooting
down the children of God ♪
1997
01:41:09,626 --> 01:41:12,209
♪ Soul is knowing
we are royalty ♪
1998
01:41:12,292 --> 01:41:14,584
♪ Normally mislabeled
as disorderly ♪
1999
01:41:14,667 --> 01:41:17,125
♪ Soul is imperial,
spiritual beings ♪
2000
01:41:17,209 --> 01:41:19,375
♪ We Black thieves made roses
out of the burial ♪
2001
01:41:19,459 --> 01:41:21,626
♪ Soul, to face a novella
to introduce ♪
2002
01:41:21,709 --> 01:41:24,083
♪ Black excellence and color
for better view ♪
2003
01:41:24,167 --> 01:41:26,959
♪ The renaissance and revolution
that's attached to my hue ♪
2004
01:41:27,042 --> 01:41:29,500
♪ When the movement
that'll never be moved ♪
2005
01:41:29,584 --> 01:41:32,083
♪ You can never cancel us ♪
-♪ Soul ♪
2006
01:41:32,167 --> 01:41:34,584
-♪ And if you try to cancel
the soul you'll find that ♪
2007
01:41:34,667 --> 01:41:36,667
♪ There's nothing but evolution
in my soul ♪
2008
01:41:36,751 --> 01:41:38,709
-♪ Show me your soul
-Oh ♪
2009
01:41:38,792 --> 01:41:41,417
-♪ Where is your soul? ♪
2010
01:41:41,500 --> 01:41:44,209
♪ Where is your soul? ♪
-♪ Show me your soul ♪
2011
01:41:44,292 --> 01:41:47,459
-♪ Show me your soul,
show me your soul ♪
2012
01:41:47,542 --> 01:41:51,250
-♪ Where is your soul? ♪
-♪ Where is your soul? ♪
2013
01:41:51,334 --> 01:41:53,209
♪ Where is your soul? ♪
2014
01:41:53,292 --> 01:41:55,375
-♪ Show it to me ♪
-♪ Show me your soul ♪
2015
01:41:55,459 --> 01:42:00,918
♪ Show me your soul,
where is your soul? ♪
2016
01:42:01,000 --> 01:42:03,334
-♪ Where is your soul? ♪
-♪ Where is your soul? ♪
2017
01:42:03,417 --> 01:42:05,667
-♪ Show me your soul ♪
2018
01:42:05,751 --> 01:42:09,709
♪ Show me your soul,
where is your soul? ♪
2019
01:42:09,792 --> 01:42:13,125
-♪ Where is your soul? ♪
-♪ Where is your soul? ♪
2020
01:42:13,209 --> 01:42:15,459
-♪ Show me your soul ♪
-♪ Hey-yeah ♪
2021
01:42:15,542 --> 01:42:19,542
-♪ Show me your soul,
where is your soul? ♪
2022
01:42:19,626 --> 01:42:23,209
-♪ Where is your soul? ♪
-♪ Where is your soul? ♪
2023
01:42:23,292 --> 01:42:25,250
-♪ Show me your soul ♪
2024
01:42:25,334 --> 01:42:27,626
Although it's over...
"SOUL!" "SOUL!"...
2025
01:42:27,709 --> 01:42:30,167
[ Echoing ]
It's not the end.
2026
01:42:30,250 --> 01:42:33,125
Black seeds
keep on growing.
2027
01:42:33,209 --> 01:42:36,918
-♪ Where is your soul? ♪
2028
01:42:37,000 --> 01:42:40,626
-There is no alternative
to "SOUL!"
2029
01:42:40,709 --> 01:42:44,334
[ Echoing ]
"SOUL!" "SOUL!" "SOUL!"
2030
01:42:44,417 --> 01:42:46,751
-♪ Do you know
who you are? ♪
2031
01:42:46,834 --> 01:42:50,334
♪ Ohhhh ♪
2032
01:42:50,417 --> 01:42:55,167
-Although it's over,
it's not the end.
2033
01:42:55,250 --> 01:42:57,959
Black seeds
keep on growing.
2034
01:42:58,042 --> 01:43:01,667
There is no alternative
to "SOUL!"
2035
01:43:01,751 --> 01:43:05,667
-♪ Hey ♪
-♪ Show me your soul ♪
2036
01:43:05,751 --> 01:43:08,334
♪ Where is your soul? ♪
2037
01:43:08,417 --> 01:43:10,751
♪ Where is your soul? ♪
-♪ Show me your soul ♪
2038
01:43:10,834 --> 01:43:13,250
-♪ Show me your soul ♪
2039
01:43:13,334 --> 01:43:16,000
♪ Show me your soul ♪
-♪ Where is your soul? ♪
2040
01:43:16,083 --> 01:43:18,167
-♪ Where is your soul? ♪
2041
01:43:18,250 --> 01:43:20,834
♪ Where is your soul? ♪
-♪ Ain't no substitute ♪
2042
01:43:20,918 --> 01:43:23,167
♪ Show me your soul ♪
2043
01:43:23,250 --> 01:43:26,125
♪ Show me your soul,
where is your soul? ♪
2044
01:43:26,209 --> 01:43:30,500
-♪ Show me your soul ♪
-♪ Where is your soul? ♪
2045
01:43:30,584 --> 01:43:32,918
♪ Show me your soul ♪
2046
01:43:33,000 --> 01:43:36,375
♪ Show me your soul,
where is your soul? ♪
2047
01:43:36,459 --> 01:43:40,250
-♪ I wanna see your soul ♪
-♪ Where is your soul? ♪
2048
01:43:40,334 --> 01:43:42,709
♪ Show me your soul ♪
2049
01:43:42,792 --> 01:43:47,542
♪ Show me your soul,
where is your soul? ♪
2050
01:43:47,626 --> 01:43:50,000
-♪ My brotha ♪
-♪ Where is your soul? ♪
2051
01:43:50,083 --> 01:43:52,375
♪ Show me your soul ♪
2052
01:43:52,459 --> 01:43:57,292
♪ Show me your soul,
where is your soul? ♪
2053
01:43:57,375 --> 01:44:01,334
♪ Where is your soul,
show me your soul ♪
2054
01:44:01,417 --> 01:44:04,959
[ Vocalizing ]
2055
01:44:05,042 --> 01:44:11,042
♪♪
2056
01:44:11,125 --> 01:44:17,125
♪♪
2057
01:44:17,209 --> 01:44:20,584
♪ Where is your soul? ♪
2058
01:44:20,667 --> 01:44:21,626
♪♪
2059
01:44:21,709 --> 01:44:22,792
♪ Soul ♪
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