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[Johann] Okay. Ready?
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[eccentric music plays]
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Cheers, you guys.
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♪
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Oh, ta-- tastes awful.
Oh, that's cold.
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[gagging]
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I always say to you,
"Are you mad?"
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Doing a movie about Steve?
Okay.
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In my-- you know,
in my eyes, you are--
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you are making
a movie about a loser.
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So, uh,
why are you doing that?
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[intriguing music plays]
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I met Steve Glew
about 20 or 25 years ago.
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I did not even know
what Steve was-- was doing.
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♪
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No one knew him.
No one knew where he came from.
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No one that you asked had
any idea who the hell he was.
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But everybody
wanted what he was selling.
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♪
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[Steve] I mean,
I was handling amounts of money
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that I had dreamed of.
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And doing a deal
for $500,000...
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I had no idea that he had
made millions of dollars.
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I remember reading
something and thinking,
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is my dad a criminal?
[laughing]
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-[horse neighing]
-[tense music plays]
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[Steve] I learned
to protect my space.
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I saw people
follow me all the time.
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[tense music plays]
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I was paranoid
beyond belief.
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♪
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[heartbeat thumping]
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When I'd get home,
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and open that bag,
it was diamonds.
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It was gold.
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-[heartbeat thumping]
-[tense music plays]
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Pez.
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I won the lottery.
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It's like printin' money.
[laughing]
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["Fools Love"
by C.L. BLAST plays]
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♪ Listen, Steve ♪
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♪ Got your loving, ha ♪
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[reporter] Welcometo the wonderful world of Pez.
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Those colorful littlecandy dispensers
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many of us purchasedfor pennies years ago.
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Well,pennies make dollars, folks.
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♪
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♪ You nearlymade me throw my life away ♪
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What-- what is that,a Pez dispenser?
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You want one?
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♪ You played a gameonly you could win ♪
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[man 1]
Some Pez are quite rare.
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[man 2]
And how much is this worth?
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[Richie] Between threeand four thousand dollars.
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♪ Your loveis like fool's gold ♪
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♪ Just like a mirage, baby ♪
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♪ And allthat I got from you ♪
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[Steve] People insidethe Pez cell
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think that this thinghas already peaked,
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and it has not.
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♪ Fool's love,oh yeah ♪
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♪ Nothing but fool's loveoh yeah ♪
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♪ Nothing but fool's love ♪
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[music fading]
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[birds chirping]
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[Steve] That's good.
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I've been waiting to tell
this story for 20 years.
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[intriguing music plays]
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When we moved out here,
we became back-to-earthers.
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We had goats,
we had chickens, we had pigs,
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we had a cow or two.
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♪
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[Kathy speaks]
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Yeah, you couldn't imagine
living anywhere else.
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[Steve] Right there.
It was where the grey barn was.
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-[Kathy] Silver barn is.
-[Steve] Yeah.
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[Kathy speaks]
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I wear three pair of socks,
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and I keep a paper towel
with me at all times.
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It just helps you cope.
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[Steve] My whole life,
I'd been poor.
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Poor is when you don't have
enough money.
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When your house payment's
only $125 a month.
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Um, yeah,
we lived in a ratty old house
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that snow came in,
till we wrapped it in plastic.
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Literally,
a big sheet of plastic.
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[Steve] The expectations
in my life were [laughing]
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this guy
won't amount to nothin'.
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He's a joke.
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But I've always had
an inner person that...
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that knew
there was more.
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Uh,
that I could achieve more.
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[bleak music plays]
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[Josh] At that point
in our life, um,
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we didn't have two pennies.
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And if you did have
two pennies,
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it was because you weren't
paying something else.
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♪
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There was never excess money.
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You used to make, like,
$11 an hour as a--
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as a skilled tradesman
who knew his stuff.
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♪
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[Steve] My job
was mind-numbingly boring.
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I worked
for almost 25 years
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as a machinist
in a factory.
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[machinery whirring]
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I would set the cut, and, uh,
while the cut was running,
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I'd have
plenty of time to think.
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And I'd think about,
uh, something better.
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[whistling]
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[Josh] Tom Clancy
was his author of choice.
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[tense music plays]
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He's in books, submersing
himself in that story and--
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and kind of living
that adventure.
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Because he hated his job.
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-[tense music plays]
-[Soldier] Target acquired...
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[Steve] I mean,
I suffered through it.
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Don't get me wrong.
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But I always wanted out.
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I always was waiting,
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every minute of every day,
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to figure anything out
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that would get me
the hell out of there.
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♪
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[Kathy speaking]
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[Steve] Yeah,
I was pretty miserable,
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until I found cereal boxes.
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And I just
really loved them.
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[quirky music plays]
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I'm a cereal box guy.
Always have been.
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Being compulsive obsessive,
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it's not the box,
it's the stack.
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There's a sense
of joy when you find
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something you hold special.
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There it is.
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The screwier a box is,
the better it is.
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♪
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[Steve] I love cereal boxes.
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They're just fun.
Cap'n Crunch.
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And they're a part
of my childhood.
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We were the generation
that ate the sweet cereal.
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And I eat
the sweet cereal still.
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♪
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[dog whimpering]
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[cart squeaking]
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[quirky music plays]
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[Mike] Steve, uh,
was never shy about things.
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He'd be running
up and down the aisles, like,
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"Oh,
look at this box variation.
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Look at this,
or look at that."
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And he was very
passionate about what he did.
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[Kathy speaking]
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♪
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[Mike] Steve figured out
a way of working the system
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of mail order premiums.
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Like, send ten box tops
for this free craft radio.
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♪
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[Steve] Frisbees,
sports item, cars.
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I was getting
all kinds of stuff.
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I learned to take
those out and sell 'em,
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and it was generating
revenue back into the family.
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And it was thousands
and thousands of these items.
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[Mike] He totally
skewed their system, and--
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and he did it often enough
that they actually changed
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corporate policy about--
about premium redemption.
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You know
that little disclaimer?
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They say "one per household."
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That's me. I did that.
[laughing]
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I mean, it--
it was the first
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effort of
"push it till it breaks."
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We started
going to toy shows,
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and I was yankin'
down 300 bucks a show.
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Thank you. One dollar.
Thank you. Just one.
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♪
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After they closed
the window on cereal premiums,
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it seemed
like the end of the road.
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But I had enough product
for one last toy show.
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That's when everything changed.
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Everything.
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It was very,
uh, film noire.
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[entrancing music plays]
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I remember
the moment completely.
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♪
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Pez.
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Oh, my God, oh, my God,
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I want one of them,
I want one of them.
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[intriguing music plays]
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Oh, my God.
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I could sell these and do
really, really well.
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♪
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♪
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Toy world is full of people.
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They go, "Shh, shh,
don't tell anybody."
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♪
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Where did you get those?
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♪
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Kolinska.
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[Steve] It was--
it was haunting.
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'Cause it's like "Rosebud"
from, uh, Citizen Kane.
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-Rosebud.
-[glass smashing]
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[Steve] And she leaned over
and told me,
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"You want the good stuff?
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You gotta go to Kolinska."
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It was like the temptation
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of the pot of gold
at the end of the rainbow.
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♪
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The collectors loved...
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things that weren't available
to the open market.
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Things
that you couldn't go down
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to your grocery store
and pick up.
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They wanted
what was available in Europe.
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And so I was like, "Dad,
let's see what we can get,
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you know,
right from the factory."
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I don't go places.
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I mean, Europe--
Europe is this thing
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that rich people
only do, and...
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not something in my world.
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[dramatic music playing on TV]
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[man on TV] Welcome aboard.Welcome aboard the spacious...
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[Josh]
I was about 20 years old.
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I had never
been out of the country.
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But there was no way
I was gonna just
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let that dream die anyway.
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I kind of took
the reins
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and contacted a--
a local travel agent.
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This needs to happen
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in order to take
that next step.
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How bad
do you want that next step?
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[man on TV] A new conceptin air transportation.
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I don't know.
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I don't know, yeah, okay.
Let's go.
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-[bold music plays]
-He got me a passport.
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[airplane whooshing]
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Next thing you know,
we had tickets.
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Next thing you know,
we're on a plane.
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♪
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[David] Well, I heard that
he was making a trip to Europe,
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and I thought he was insane.
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♪
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He didn't speak
any foreign language.
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There was no internet,
he had no contact people
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on the ground,
he was just some hillbilly
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from Michigan
who got on a plane...
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and then just
landed somewhere.
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[militaristic music plays]
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You know,
the state of Europe
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was vastly different
back then than it is today.
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The Berlin wall
hadn't been down very long.
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[Peter Jennings] The wall hassuddenly become irrelevant.
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Something, as you can see,almost to party on.
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How do you measuresuch an astonishing
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moment in history?
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[David] He was operating
out of this capitalist scheme,
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but he had no idea
what he was doing.
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But, you know,
he has that,
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like,
magical little troll quality.
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[uneasy music plays]
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[Josh] When you're doing this,
and you're fully invested,
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it's either win or lose.
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Live or die, you know?
261
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So we always had
everything on the line.
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♪
263
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We had to take out a loan
from our credit union
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to make
this very first trip happen.
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Failure wasn't an option.
We had to find the factory.
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♪
267
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But here you are,
you know, these small-town guys
268
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going out into the world,
you know?
269
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It's-- it's the big
adventure of a lifetime.
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[car rumbling]
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At this time,
the conflict and genocide
272
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in Croatia was going on.
273
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And we were right
on the southern border.
274
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[car rumbling]
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So, we were driving around,
276
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you know,
trying to go off from a map,
277
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but at one o'clock
in the morning, in the dark,
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where you're not seeing every
sign or anything like that.
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And we got hopelessly lost.
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[uneasy music plays]
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[Steve] We screwed up.
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We were on an old
dirt road somewhere,
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and there was a chain
across the road.
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♪
285
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And it just basically
said, "Zagreb - X miles."
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♪
287
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[Josh] We were out
in the middle of nowhere,
288
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looking in the dark
for any pops on the horizon.
289
00:16:53,621 --> 00:16:55,852
-[men yelling]
-[intense music plays]
290
00:16:55,887 --> 00:16:57,854
[car beeping]
291
00:16:57,889 --> 00:17:02,199
[music intensifying]
292
00:17:02,234 --> 00:17:07,138
-[engine sputters]
-[siren blaring]
293
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[engine sputtering]
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♪
295
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Well.
[clears throat]
296
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-I don't know why...
-[lovely music plays]
297
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but Kathy's always
believed in me.
298
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We met at age 18.
299
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[Kathy speaking]
300
00:17:56,684 --> 00:17:58,915
[Steve] Kathy was one
of the flower children,
301
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uh, the beautiful people.
302
00:18:02,294 --> 00:18:05,262
I was just a guy.
Not worth a hill of beans.
303
00:18:05,297 --> 00:18:08,232
And yet, she sees the guy
that's-- that's there.
304
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The potential.
305
00:18:12,337 --> 00:18:15,734
[Kathy speaking]
306
00:18:18,673 --> 00:18:20,673
[Steve] The minute I saw her,
I knew she was it.
307
00:18:20,708 --> 00:18:22,246
Completely.
308
00:18:22,281 --> 00:18:24,215
And we've been together
every day since.
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Kathy allows me my dreams.
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Until I get too far off path,
then she reins me back in.
311
00:18:33,886 --> 00:18:38,262
[Kathy speaks]
312
00:18:54,544 --> 00:18:57,677
She knows I get dangerous,
and careless...
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00:18:58,911 --> 00:19:00,218
occasionally.
314
00:19:00,253 --> 00:19:02,451
But she supported me 100%
315
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on the--
the trip to Europe.
316
00:19:04,449 --> 00:19:09,524
-[worrisome music plays]
-[men yelling]
317
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[Steve]
I thought we were dead.
318
00:19:10,890 --> 00:19:12,725
[engine sputtering]
319
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But thank God I had Josh.
Thank God.
320
00:19:16,233 --> 00:19:19,468
-I mean-- [lips smacking].
-[car rumbling]
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00:19:21,934 --> 00:19:24,803
I truly began
to appreciate him.
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♪
323
00:19:39,325 --> 00:19:41,952
Our first trip to Europe
for Joshua and me was like
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00:19:41,987 --> 00:19:44,790
our graduation from
childhood to manhood.
325
00:19:45,526 --> 00:19:50,532
I did lean on him to be able
to emotionally do this.
326
00:19:54,065 --> 00:19:57,033
[Josh] The next day
we were supposed to be finding
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00:19:57,068 --> 00:20:00,905
the factory, and still
we had no idea where it was.
328
00:20:02,810 --> 00:20:04,678
And then, I see it.
329
00:20:06,616 --> 00:20:08,979
It's printed, the address
is printed right on here.
330
00:20:10,215 --> 00:20:13,357
[Josh] It's right there, and
you're just, like, holy crap.
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00:20:13,392 --> 00:20:18,494
♪
332
00:20:19,196 --> 00:20:21,794
I'm-- I'm amazed
how an American
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00:20:21,829 --> 00:20:23,565
is able to get
into the factories.
334
00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:28,405
♪
335
00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:33,839
We really get a long ways
by playing up "dumb American."
336
00:20:34,541 --> 00:20:36,644
"Came here for Pez?
Dumb American."
337
00:20:36,679 --> 00:20:37,744
You know what I mean?
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00:20:37,779 --> 00:20:42,815
♪
339
00:20:47,690 --> 00:20:50,394
[Johann] I couldn't make
out any sense of this.
340
00:20:50,829 --> 00:20:53,760
Uh, I don't want
to insult Steve now,
341
00:20:53,795 --> 00:20:57,500
because appearance-wise,
what is it-- like, a homeless.
342
00:20:58,734 --> 00:21:00,437
Yeah.
343
00:21:00,472 --> 00:21:02,637
Actually, he looks like a poor,
homeless guy.
344
00:21:02,672 --> 00:21:05,871
♪
345
00:21:05,906 --> 00:21:07,345
I got in.
346
00:21:08,843 --> 00:21:10,711
Looking
disheveled and crazy
347
00:21:10,746 --> 00:21:12,581
has always worked for me.
348
00:21:15,718 --> 00:21:17,784
Everybody
underestimates you.
349
00:21:19,425 --> 00:21:23,053
And that's when I met Marcos.
350
00:21:24,496 --> 00:21:27,365
And what he showed me,
it was overwhelming.
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00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:32,436
♪
352
00:21:32,471 --> 00:21:33,998
It was exactly like
353
00:21:34,033 --> 00:21:35,934
Willy Wonka& the Chocolate Factory.
354
00:21:35,969 --> 00:21:39,938
♪
355
00:21:39,973 --> 00:21:41,841
We had got
our golden ticket...
356
00:21:43,482 --> 00:21:46,549
and we were in there
to buy our heart's desire.
357
00:21:46,584 --> 00:21:49,981
♪
358
00:21:50,016 --> 00:21:52,489
I saw so much wonderful Pez.
359
00:21:53,258 --> 00:21:55,789
This is the stuff
people dream of.
360
00:21:55,824 --> 00:22:00,497
♪
361
00:22:00,532 --> 00:22:02,763
[Josh] It was,
like, you hit the lottery.
362
00:22:02,798 --> 00:22:04,897
-It was unreal.
-[Steve laughing]
363
00:22:04,932 --> 00:22:09,737
♪
364
00:22:09,772 --> 00:22:12,135
[Steve]
Marcos's job was design.
365
00:22:13,776 --> 00:22:15,842
We had made a friend.
A soulmate.
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00:22:15,877 --> 00:22:17,613
That truly appreciates
367
00:22:17,648 --> 00:22:19,549
the artistic talent,
the vision.
368
00:22:19,584 --> 00:22:22,618
I-- I got what he was saying
and how much he loved it.
369
00:22:22,653 --> 00:22:25,489
It was stuff that just
wasn't sold in the U.S.
370
00:22:25,891 --> 00:22:29,526
Pez USA rejected damn near
everything Marcos would do.
371
00:22:30,155 --> 00:22:35,400
[brooding music plays]
372
00:22:40,198 --> 00:22:41,934
[Bud]
My name is Bud Damberg,
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and I'm the former
marketing manager for Pez.
374
00:22:44,004 --> 00:22:45,806
And I was there
for about 15 years.
375
00:22:47,810 --> 00:22:49,447
I love working
in the candy industry.
376
00:22:49,482 --> 00:22:51,042
It's one of the sweetest
industries around.
377
00:22:52,617 --> 00:22:54,749
Literally.
[laughing]
378
00:22:55,251 --> 00:22:58,049
Back in the 1990s,
Pez USA
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00:22:58,084 --> 00:23:00,755
and Pez International
out of Austria,
380
00:23:00,790 --> 00:23:02,922
operated
very independently.
381
00:23:02,957 --> 00:23:05,056
Pez International
had distribution
382
00:23:05,091 --> 00:23:06,695
throughout
the entire world.
383
00:23:06,730 --> 00:23:08,499
But not the United States.
384
00:23:09,068 --> 00:23:11,865
Because
of Pez USA's agreement
385
00:23:11,900 --> 00:23:14,197
with the parent company
in Austria,
386
00:23:14,232 --> 00:23:17,871
they have 100% control
387
00:23:17,906 --> 00:23:20,808
of everything Pez-related
in the United States.
388
00:23:21,510 --> 00:23:24,141
And the, uh,
president and CEO
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00:23:24,176 --> 00:23:26,143
of Pez USA
was Scott McWhinnie.
390
00:23:28,719 --> 00:23:30,917
Also very fondly known
as the "Pezident."
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00:23:31,986 --> 00:23:34,118
He was the ultimate
decision-maker.
392
00:23:34,153 --> 00:23:37,990
He ran a very tight
and very lean ship.
393
00:23:38,025 --> 00:23:41,697
"I love Pez" is a very common,uh, statement.
394
00:23:41,732 --> 00:23:44,095
However, the kids of todayknow nothing about nostalgia.
395
00:23:44,130 --> 00:23:45,602
They love Pezfor what it is.
396
00:23:46,638 --> 00:23:48,198
[Steve]
The people at Pez USA
397
00:23:48,233 --> 00:23:51,476
decided what came
into the US and what didn't.
398
00:23:52,111 --> 00:23:54,105
If Scott didn't want something
sold in the United States,
399
00:23:54,140 --> 00:23:56,107
it wasn't sold
in the United States.
400
00:23:56,142 --> 00:23:58,978
Europe would bust it's butt
and come up with a great idea,
401
00:23:59,013 --> 00:24:01,046
or get some
really good licenses,
402
00:24:01,081 --> 00:24:02,916
and Pez USA
would say no.
403
00:24:03,418 --> 00:24:05,919
No, stupid, we hate it, no,
404
00:24:05,954 --> 00:24:07,921
no, you're ignorant,
we hate it.
405
00:24:07,956 --> 00:24:11,562
But everything
unique and creative
406
00:24:11,597 --> 00:24:14,631
that they came up with,
I could not get enough of.
407
00:24:14,666 --> 00:24:16,864
And that endeared us to them.
408
00:24:17,533 --> 00:24:20,164
They loved us.
Just loved us.
409
00:24:24,170 --> 00:24:26,841
[Josh] These people were hungry
for American dollars.
410
00:24:26,876 --> 00:24:28,645
They wanted to work with us.
411
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,010
They wanted to do business
with us and everything.
412
00:24:33,949 --> 00:24:37,280
I was looking at the,
uh, cabinet, in the office,
413
00:24:37,315 --> 00:24:39,117
and they had a display
in there of--
414
00:24:39,152 --> 00:24:41,086
of dispensers that
hadn't even hit the market.
415
00:24:42,595 --> 00:24:44,760
Um, one of them
was the Bubble Boy dispenser.
416
00:24:47,127 --> 00:24:48,764
[bubble pops]
417
00:24:48,799 --> 00:24:50,535
[Steve] Our jaws
just dropped to the floor.
418
00:24:51,604 --> 00:24:53,329
Uh, especially once, uh,
419
00:24:53,364 --> 00:24:55,804
he told us
the stories behind 'em.
420
00:24:57,104 --> 00:24:59,643
Bubble Man was a reject
421
00:24:59,678 --> 00:25:02,239
from an idea to sell gum.
422
00:25:03,781 --> 00:25:05,979
[Josh] Now, I had heard
of the Bubble Boy dispenser.
423
00:25:06,014 --> 00:25:07,948
He wasn't going to
be released.
424
00:25:07,983 --> 00:25:10,082
Well, he gave me one
from the cabinet.
425
00:25:10,117 --> 00:25:12,216
I mean, that was--
that was the coolest thing.
426
00:25:12,251 --> 00:25:15,989
He also gave me a purple Dino
and a yellow Dino.
427
00:25:16,358 --> 00:25:18,893
Stuff that should
never have been out there,
428
00:25:18,928 --> 00:25:20,796
but it existed.
429
00:25:23,735 --> 00:25:25,669
[Steve] It was just
really wonderful Pez.
430
00:25:25,704 --> 00:25:30,740
♪
431
00:25:32,942 --> 00:25:35,646
At that point, I was home free.
I had my product.
432
00:25:35,681 --> 00:25:39,914
All of the obstacles
had been hurdled.
433
00:25:39,949 --> 00:25:44,721
-All except one.
-[quirky music plays]
434
00:25:44,756 --> 00:25:47,856
Coming back through US
customs was the hard part.
435
00:25:48,625 --> 00:25:50,661
[P.J.] Here at Homeland
Security Investigations,
436
00:25:50,696 --> 00:25:52,663
we investigate
transnational crime.
437
00:25:52,698 --> 00:25:54,863
Uh, basically
any crime that touches,
438
00:25:54,898 --> 00:25:56,227
uh,
the United States border.
439
00:25:56,262 --> 00:25:58,295
Uh, either inbound
or outbound.
440
00:25:58,330 --> 00:26:00,099
It runs across the spectrum.
441
00:26:00,134 --> 00:26:02,772
It could be, uh, contraband,
in that-- in the--
442
00:26:02,807 --> 00:26:05,005
in the form
of narcotics, money,
443
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:08,338
body parts, human heads,
of course, arms.
444
00:26:08,373 --> 00:26:10,681
You know, various animals.
445
00:26:11,150 --> 00:26:13,816
Unfortunately, sometimes
those animals don't make it,
446
00:26:13,851 --> 00:26:15,345
but other times they do,
and all of a sudden
447
00:26:15,380 --> 00:26:17,116
you're opening a,
you know, a suitcase,
448
00:26:17,151 --> 00:26:18,920
and there's birds in there
or something else.
449
00:26:18,955 --> 00:26:21,791
♪
450
00:26:21,826 --> 00:26:23,793
[doves cooing]
451
00:26:23,828 --> 00:26:25,058
It can be entertaining.
452
00:26:25,093 --> 00:26:26,763
Uh, for a serious crime,
453
00:26:26,798 --> 00:26:28,798
you could be looking
at decades in jail.
454
00:26:28,833 --> 00:26:31,768
♪
455
00:26:31,803 --> 00:26:34,672
[Tina] He just had
great big duffle bags
456
00:26:34,707 --> 00:26:39,237
full of thousands and thousands
of Pez, and I don't know what
457
00:26:39,272 --> 00:26:41,404
the customs people thought,
458
00:26:41,439 --> 00:26:43,406
or maybe they didn't even
really look at them.
459
00:26:44,041 --> 00:26:46,717
They must not have,
or he wouldn't have been able
460
00:26:46,752 --> 00:26:49,885
to bring 'em in without
all the proper paperwork.
461
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:53,823
♪
462
00:26:53,858 --> 00:26:55,451
[Steve]
It was something I learned.
463
00:26:55,486 --> 00:26:58,289
You had to be methodical
about how you went about it.
464
00:26:58,658 --> 00:27:00,995
I had to appear to be...
465
00:27:01,998 --> 00:27:03,360
a fool.
466
00:27:03,395 --> 00:27:05,736
Disheveled. Crazy.
467
00:27:06,238 --> 00:27:10,400
So, I'd stay awake for 24
hours prior to hitting customs.
468
00:27:10,902 --> 00:27:12,468
[P.J.] Well, that's--
that's exactly
469
00:27:12,503 --> 00:27:14,404
what you don't wanna do.
470
00:27:14,439 --> 00:27:16,439
Uh, you know, the more odd
and the more you stick out,
471
00:27:16,474 --> 00:27:18,881
if you're disheveled
and don't sleep
472
00:27:18,916 --> 00:27:22,313
and you're acting a little,
uh, kind of out of sorts.
473
00:27:22,348 --> 00:27:24,755
If anything, that's gonna
attract more attention,
474
00:27:24,790 --> 00:27:26,152
and it certainly
would for me.
475
00:27:26,787 --> 00:27:28,484
[Steve] Oh,
I knew it would work.
476
00:27:28,519 --> 00:27:31,993
Um, doing crazy things
that made no sense.
477
00:27:32,028 --> 00:27:35,491
-Because then I'm harmless.
-You should be honest.
478
00:27:35,526 --> 00:27:37,999
You're gonna have to declare
what you're coming in with.
479
00:27:38,034 --> 00:27:41,332
You needed to be
as honest as you could,
480
00:27:41,367 --> 00:27:44,104
without being
completely honest.
481
00:27:45,877 --> 00:27:48,141
Yes,
I was definitely doing
482
00:27:48,176 --> 00:27:50,407
something technically illegal.
483
00:27:50,809 --> 00:27:53,245
Did I care? Nah.
Not in the slightest.
484
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:54,444
Not in the slightest.
485
00:27:54,479 --> 00:27:59,724
♪
486
00:28:01,354 --> 00:28:04,795
[interviewer speaking]
487
00:28:08,163 --> 00:28:10,493
Um, the items that--
that Steve Glew
488
00:28:10,528 --> 00:28:13,331
was bringing over
were grey market items.
489
00:28:14,067 --> 00:28:16,400
Um, which were items
that were not manufactured
490
00:28:16,435 --> 00:28:18,039
for United States market.
491
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,141
They were legitimate
Pez dispensers,
492
00:28:21,176 --> 00:28:22,945
but he did not have
the licensing rights
493
00:28:22,980 --> 00:28:24,045
to bring them in.
494
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:28,412
[intriguing music plays]
495
00:28:28,447 --> 00:28:31,283
Pez Candy Inc.
in the United States
496
00:28:31,318 --> 00:28:35,419
is the only licensed entity
to sell them in this country.
497
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:41,766
[interviewer speaking]
498
00:28:42,235 --> 00:28:45,330
[chuckling] Let me
think about that one.
499
00:28:45,365 --> 00:28:49,301
♪
500
00:28:53,109 --> 00:28:56,781
[Steve] A snafu made
everything I did possible.
501
00:28:58,411 --> 00:29:01,478
There was one simple,
little thing
502
00:29:01,513 --> 00:29:03,447
that would have shut
me down.
503
00:29:03,482 --> 00:29:07,924
Pez USA contacting
international customs
504
00:29:07,959 --> 00:29:09,156
and registering...
505
00:29:10,456 --> 00:29:12,522
that they were
the sole importers
506
00:29:12,557 --> 00:29:14,293
of Pez products
from Europe.
507
00:29:16,165 --> 00:29:18,066
My name's Julie Hilario,
I'm a special agent
508
00:29:18,101 --> 00:29:19,969
with Homeland
Security Investigations.
509
00:29:20,004 --> 00:29:22,466
Oftentimes,
we find that trademark owners
510
00:29:22,501 --> 00:29:24,171
may not be knowledgeable
511
00:29:24,206 --> 00:29:26,173
that they need
to record their trademark
512
00:29:26,208 --> 00:29:27,977
with U.S. Customs
and Border Protection
513
00:29:28,012 --> 00:29:29,880
for enforcement
at the border.
514
00:29:29,915 --> 00:29:32,542
[Steve] One of the customs
agents that I dealt with,
515
00:29:32,577 --> 00:29:35,281
he said, "uh, you know,
uh, well, you know,
516
00:29:35,316 --> 00:29:37,019
you're not the importer
for this."
517
00:29:37,054 --> 00:29:42,090
♪
518
00:29:44,490 --> 00:29:47,194
And he got his sheet out,
and he was lookin',
519
00:29:47,229 --> 00:29:48,932
and he was lookin',
and he was lookin'.
520
00:29:51,497 --> 00:29:53,134
He said, "Oh, my God."
521
00:29:54,236 --> 00:29:56,170
[Julie]
Pez USA, I did check,
522
00:29:56,205 --> 00:29:58,139
and their trademark
is not recorded
523
00:29:58,174 --> 00:29:59,503
with Customs
and Border Protection.
524
00:30:01,177 --> 00:30:03,045
Yeah,
I wasn't aware of that.
525
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:04,574
I mean,
I know that, um...
526
00:30:05,276 --> 00:30:07,478
they had some very expensive
lawyers in New York
527
00:30:07,513 --> 00:30:09,150
that spent a lot of time
and money.
528
00:30:09,685 --> 00:30:11,988
They were supposed to make
sure that it was registered
529
00:30:12,023 --> 00:30:13,517
in all
the classes of trade.
530
00:30:13,819 --> 00:30:15,585
They have a US patent
531
00:30:15,620 --> 00:30:18,390
and trademark with USPTO,
um, but they didn't take
532
00:30:18,425 --> 00:30:20,656
the second step of actually
recording their trademark
533
00:30:20,691 --> 00:30:22,130
with Customs
and Border Protection
534
00:30:22,165 --> 00:30:23,263
for enforcement
at the border.
535
00:30:23,661 --> 00:30:25,562
And he goes,
536
00:30:25,597 --> 00:30:27,135
"if they're that stupid...
537
00:30:29,304 --> 00:30:31,502
go ahead." [laughing]
538
00:30:31,537 --> 00:30:36,573
♪
539
00:30:42,350 --> 00:30:47,386
[machinery whirring]
540
00:30:50,391 --> 00:30:53,359
When we got back from
Europe after the first trip,
541
00:30:53,394 --> 00:30:56,230
going back to work sucked,
big time.
542
00:30:56,599 --> 00:30:59,167
It was like being in prison.
543
00:31:00,170 --> 00:31:02,973
[machinery whirring]
544
00:31:03,008 --> 00:31:04,975
But not having any money,
545
00:31:05,010 --> 00:31:06,537
I had to
stick it out for a while.
546
00:31:06,572 --> 00:31:09,474
I guess my dad, uh,
had done some talking
547
00:31:09,509 --> 00:31:12,411
to, you know, the--
the Pez dealers,
548
00:31:12,446 --> 00:31:15,953
and one of them heard that--
that I had that Bubble Boy.
549
00:31:15,988 --> 00:31:19,550
-[phone ringing]
-[groovy music plays]
550
00:31:19,585 --> 00:31:21,123
[Steve] Buyers appeared...
551
00:31:22,291 --> 00:31:23,455
through word of mouth.
552
00:31:23,924 --> 00:31:26,359
The phone chain
was people talking to people
553
00:31:26,394 --> 00:31:27,459
that talking to people.
554
00:31:27,494 --> 00:31:30,495
[phones ringing]
555
00:31:30,530 --> 00:31:32,365
Honestly,
I was flabbergasted
556
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:34,433
at the prices
that people would pay.
557
00:31:34,468 --> 00:31:35,973
[Josh]
They're like, you know,
558
00:31:36,008 --> 00:31:37,304
I'll buy that Bubble Boy
from you.
559
00:31:37,339 --> 00:31:40,043
-$1,250.
-[cash register dings]
560
00:31:41,112 --> 00:31:42,408
I was like, what?
561
00:31:42,443 --> 00:31:44,278
I mean,
it was a gift from Marcos,
562
00:31:44,313 --> 00:31:46,280
so we didn't have the intention
at all of selling it.
563
00:31:46,915 --> 00:31:49,052
Here I am,
a college student
564
00:31:49,087 --> 00:31:51,021
paying for my own tuition
and everything...
565
00:31:52,189 --> 00:31:54,156
being offered 1,250 bucks
566
00:31:54,191 --> 00:31:57,621
for a piece of plastic
that was given to me for free.
567
00:31:57,656 --> 00:31:59,491
[Steve] The last thing
in the world I wanted to do
568
00:31:59,526 --> 00:32:01,328
was sell Bubble Boy.
569
00:32:01,363 --> 00:32:03,066
But, hey, man, I gotta pay
some bills. [laughing]
570
00:32:04,135 --> 00:32:06,465
Money talks.
Money talks.
571
00:32:10,174 --> 00:32:12,636
[Steve] The collectors
bought pretty much
572
00:32:12,671 --> 00:32:14,704
everything I had,
overnight.
573
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:20,743
I paid 27 cents each.
574
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:22,745
300 bucks.
575
00:32:23,114 --> 00:32:26,287
Without those
early sales, I never
576
00:32:26,322 --> 00:32:28,256
would have been able
to quit my job.
577
00:32:28,654 --> 00:32:30,027
[chuckling]
578
00:32:30,496 --> 00:32:32,557
One of my last
memories in the shop
579
00:32:32,592 --> 00:32:36,495
was Enya
playing on the radio.
580
00:32:36,530 --> 00:32:40,763
["Orinoco Flow"
by Enya playing on radio]
581
00:32:41,667 --> 00:32:43,007
And it was just floating.
582
00:32:44,538 --> 00:32:48,144
Through the whole shop.
Her voice. And echoing.
583
00:32:48,179 --> 00:32:53,215
♪
584
00:32:53,250 --> 00:32:57,549
♪ Let me sail, let me saillet the Orinoco flow ♪
585
00:32:57,584 --> 00:33:01,520
[Steve] Her music was,
like, a place I wanted to be.
586
00:33:01,555 --> 00:33:04,754
And traveling to Europe,
and my dreams,
587
00:33:04,789 --> 00:33:07,394
married perfectly well
with that.
588
00:33:07,429 --> 00:33:09,561
♪
589
00:33:09,596 --> 00:33:12,069
[Kathy speaks]
590
00:33:16,273 --> 00:33:19,802
[Steve] When I left the shop
for the last time, I went from,
591
00:33:19,837 --> 00:33:24,741
uh, working 79-hour work
weeks to doing my own thing.
592
00:33:27,218 --> 00:33:32,716
I went to selling toys
and Pez full-time.
593
00:33:32,751 --> 00:33:37,094
♪ Sail away,sail away, sail away ♪
594
00:33:37,129 --> 00:33:41,197
♪ Sail away,sail away, sail away ♪
595
00:33:41,232 --> 00:33:44,464
♪ Sail away,sail away, sail away ♪
596
00:33:49,372 --> 00:33:51,207
[people chatting]
597
00:33:51,242 --> 00:33:55,145
[David] At that time, the hobby
was kind of this small,
598
00:33:55,180 --> 00:33:57,180
closed group,
and we all knew each other.
599
00:33:58,744 --> 00:34:00,579
And Steve was like this,
you know...
600
00:34:02,352 --> 00:34:06,519
magical troll who just
sprung forth out of nowhere.
601
00:34:07,021 --> 00:34:09,753
But then he found out
about the Pez community
602
00:34:09,788 --> 00:34:11,722
and started
talking to all of us.
603
00:34:11,757 --> 00:34:14,626
[Steve] The Pez community
was a smallish community
604
00:34:14,661 --> 00:34:17,134
that taught
me everything I-- I learned.
605
00:34:17,503 --> 00:34:19,598
Welcome to the wonderful
world of Pez collecting.
606
00:34:19,633 --> 00:34:20,698
You're hooked now.
607
00:34:20,733 --> 00:34:25,340
♪
608
00:34:25,375 --> 00:34:28,706
I mean, I like to drink
scotch, I like fast cars.
609
00:34:29,241 --> 00:34:32,611
But there-- there's nothing
that compares with the feeling
610
00:34:32,646 --> 00:34:35,779
you get when you get
a great find in Pez.
611
00:34:37,882 --> 00:34:39,123
So, this is my Pez room.
612
00:34:39,925 --> 00:34:41,785
So, I've
been collecting about 20 years.
613
00:34:42,187 --> 00:34:45,426
Your Thors, you're gonna be--
$200-300 range.
614
00:34:45,461 --> 00:34:47,197
This Pony
would probably go about 1300.
615
00:34:47,232 --> 00:34:49,496
[Tina] I have 53
covered grandstands.
616
00:34:49,898 --> 00:34:52,400
They each hold 80 dispensers.
617
00:34:53,667 --> 00:34:55,304
[Johann]
I have everything filled up.
618
00:34:55,339 --> 00:34:56,899
Every empty space
is filled up with junk.
619
00:34:56,934 --> 00:34:59,308
So, if you want to
give me a title,
620
00:34:59,343 --> 00:35:01,607
you can say to me I am
a crazy collector.
621
00:35:04,579 --> 00:35:06,513
[John] I will say
that I've spent
622
00:35:06,548 --> 00:35:09,417
$2,500
for one dispenser.
623
00:35:09,452 --> 00:35:12,453
The most I ever paid
for Pez was $11,000.
624
00:35:12,488 --> 00:35:14,224
-[interviewer] For one?
-One.
625
00:35:14,259 --> 00:35:15,753
[John] And so,
in the Pez world,
626
00:35:15,788 --> 00:35:18,228
the person who brought
the most new product
627
00:35:18,263 --> 00:35:20,560
to us was Steve Glew.
628
00:35:20,595 --> 00:35:25,433
♪
629
00:35:25,468 --> 00:35:27,798
[Steve] With the prices
people were paying,
630
00:35:27,833 --> 00:35:29,635
Josh and me were itching
631
00:35:29,670 --> 00:35:31,637
to go back
and get more product.
632
00:35:31,672 --> 00:35:34,805
And I had heard
the real mother lode...
633
00:35:35,874 --> 00:35:37,676
was Hungary.
634
00:35:37,711 --> 00:35:42,186
And Gunther was a person
of importance there.
635
00:35:42,584 --> 00:35:46,487
♪
636
00:35:46,522 --> 00:35:49,820
[Steve] He had been a person
within the upper echelon
637
00:35:49,855 --> 00:35:52,724
at Pez corporation
in Austria, in Linz.
638
00:35:52,759 --> 00:35:56,761
And he had been tasked
with the role
639
00:35:56,796 --> 00:35:59,500
of opening up the East.
640
00:35:59,535 --> 00:36:01,469
He had power.
He had power.
641
00:36:01,504 --> 00:36:04,406
♪
642
00:36:04,441 --> 00:36:06,441
First time I met him, I believe
643
00:36:06,476 --> 00:36:08,509
it was on our second
trip to Europe.
644
00:36:09,011 --> 00:36:10,808
I mean, like,
I walk in the door
645
00:36:10,843 --> 00:36:12,678
and I ask about Pez,
646
00:36:12,713 --> 00:36:16,418
and Gunther Leitner
came out in the most God-awful
647
00:36:16,453 --> 00:36:20,323
plaid sports jacket
I have ever seen in my life.
648
00:36:20,892 --> 00:36:23,260
He comes up to me
at the counter and he said,
649
00:36:23,295 --> 00:36:24,624
"I hear you're here
huntin' for Pez, eh?"
650
00:36:25,293 --> 00:36:26,824
And I goes,
"Yeah, I'm huntin' for it."
651
00:36:26,859 --> 00:36:28,463
He says, "Yeah,
I know, I know, I know."
652
00:36:28,798 --> 00:36:30,861
And he says, "Don't you--
don't you know who I am?"
653
00:36:33,602 --> 00:36:35,536
[Steve] No,
I have no idea
654
00:36:35,571 --> 00:36:38,341
who you are and I don't really
give a damn.
655
00:36:38,776 --> 00:36:42,345
Gunther took a Post-it,
just a stupid little Post-it.
656
00:36:43,114 --> 00:36:45,282
Wrote a few words,
signed his name.
657
00:36:45,651 --> 00:36:47,944
He said, "Okay, take this.
Go over there."
658
00:36:48,815 --> 00:36:50,881
And I handed the post-it
659
00:36:50,916 --> 00:36:52,685
to the, uh,
the guard at the gate.
660
00:36:52,720 --> 00:36:54,687
I mean, he might as well
have hopped to and clicked
661
00:36:54,722 --> 00:36:56,920
his heels
and opened up the gate.
662
00:36:56,955 --> 00:36:59,494
I mean, really.
That little Post-it.
663
00:37:00,464 --> 00:37:03,366
Everybody did
anything we ask.
664
00:37:03,401 --> 00:37:04,763
People walked up to me,
665
00:37:04,798 --> 00:37:06,501
and every time
I showed it to 'em,
666
00:37:06,536 --> 00:37:08,701
"Yep, yep. Yep, yep.
Over here. Over here."
667
00:37:08,736 --> 00:37:11,374
Next thing I know,
they got a truck...
668
00:37:11,409 --> 00:37:12,540
for me to load.
669
00:37:13,175 --> 00:37:15,840
And take everything
off to the airport.
670
00:37:15,875 --> 00:37:18,447
And he truly
was that powerful.
671
00:37:19,681 --> 00:37:21,714
Just wished
I could have taken it all.
672
00:37:21,749 --> 00:37:24,354
I really wish I could've,
but I couldn't.
673
00:37:24,389 --> 00:37:28,358
I only had 4,000 bucks
maybe in my pocket, so, I mean,
674
00:37:28,393 --> 00:37:31,053
it was very disappointing
for Gunther, you know?
675
00:37:31,088 --> 00:37:33,660
Gunther didn't give
the money to Pez.
676
00:37:33,695 --> 00:37:35,332
He kept it.
677
00:37:35,701 --> 00:37:38,632
Oh, and the last thing he says
as he's getting out of the car.
678
00:37:38,667 --> 00:37:41,536
He leans back in and he goes,
"I don't know you.
679
00:37:41,571 --> 00:37:42,735
I don't know you."
680
00:37:43,639 --> 00:37:44,869
[laughing] Oh, my God.
681
00:37:44,904 --> 00:37:49,071
[engine rumbling]
682
00:37:49,106 --> 00:37:52,877
♪
683
00:37:52,912 --> 00:37:55,451
[Bud] So, now we're finding out
all these illegal dispensers
684
00:37:55,486 --> 00:37:56,815
are all over the place.
685
00:37:56,850 --> 00:37:58,652
Word came
out that somebody took
686
00:37:58,687 --> 00:38:01,083
some pre-production
samples and were selling those.
687
00:38:01,118 --> 00:38:04,328
Pre-production samples,
illegal, on the black market.
688
00:38:05,130 --> 00:38:08,123
And apparently somebody
would go over to Europe
689
00:38:08,158 --> 00:38:11,731
and meet up with some of the,
um, workers who worked
690
00:38:11,766 --> 00:38:13,436
in the factories
after hours
691
00:38:13,471 --> 00:38:15,537
and pay 'em a few
hundred U.S. dollars,
692
00:38:15,572 --> 00:38:17,572
and before
you know it you had all these
693
00:38:17,607 --> 00:38:19,508
pre-production
samples disappear.
694
00:38:20,742 --> 00:38:21,972
Well, my
reaction was...
695
00:38:22,641 --> 00:38:24,711
isn't anybody
watching the factory?
696
00:38:26,110 --> 00:38:27,780
It's not like
when you go on a vacation
697
00:38:27,815 --> 00:38:29,749
you bring
a dozen back with you.
698
00:38:29,784 --> 00:38:32,818
This guy was bringing thousands
and thousands of them over.
699
00:38:33,253 --> 00:38:35,084
Scott was furious
that this was happening.
700
00:38:36,428 --> 00:38:38,626
So,
his mission was to find out
701
00:38:38,661 --> 00:38:39,726
who was doing this.
702
00:38:39,761 --> 00:38:44,533
♪
703
00:38:46,999 --> 00:38:51,804
[sneaky music plays]
704
00:38:57,207 --> 00:38:59,713
[Richie] I was a police
officer for 20 years,
705
00:38:59,748 --> 00:39:03,882
and I started my newsletter,
Pez Collectors News, in 1995.
706
00:39:03,917 --> 00:39:06,016
As a collector,
the idea of the newsletter
707
00:39:06,051 --> 00:39:09,954
was to get the word out there
to other collectors and just,
708
00:39:09,989 --> 00:39:11,692
what's out there,
and what's real,
709
00:39:11,727 --> 00:39:14,156
and is-- is there any
fakes going around.
710
00:39:16,501 --> 00:39:19,502
In a lot of senses,
Richie was the number one spy
711
00:39:19,537 --> 00:39:21,438
for, uh, Pez USA
712
00:39:21,473 --> 00:39:23,000
No, I wasn't a spy.
713
00:39:23,035 --> 00:39:26,036
People thought
I was the Pez police, but no,
714
00:39:26,071 --> 00:39:28,445
I really
didn't tell them anything.
715
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:30,546
Did he report back to Scott?
716
00:39:31,048 --> 00:39:34,176
Yes.
Not a doubt in my brain.
717
00:39:35,586 --> 00:39:38,752
Scott McWhinnie
absolutely had a reputation
718
00:39:38,787 --> 00:39:42,085
for kind of, "the Pez
company hates collectors."
719
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:45,055
And he's not
a particularly likeable guy.
720
00:39:45,090 --> 00:39:47,992
He's a little pompous,
he's a little full of himself,
721
00:39:48,027 --> 00:39:49,598
he's a little insecure.
722
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:53,030
I was told by many people
that-- that Scott McWhinnie
723
00:39:53,065 --> 00:39:55,637
had spies in the Pez world.
724
00:39:55,672 --> 00:39:59,168
That anything we would say
would get back to him.
725
00:40:00,611 --> 00:40:02,171
[Bud]
Scott was very aware
726
00:40:02,206 --> 00:40:03,810
of the growing
collectors market.
727
00:40:04,245 --> 00:40:07,616
He was also very well-aware
of the illegal activity
728
00:40:07,651 --> 00:40:09,013
going on
in the collectors market.
729
00:40:10,687 --> 00:40:12,588
So, one
of the first things we did
730
00:40:12,623 --> 00:40:14,216
to get information
out to them,
731
00:40:14,251 --> 00:40:17,120
was we invited Richie Belyski
up to the factory.
732
00:40:17,489 --> 00:40:20,728
He had a tour of the factory,
um, he interviewed Scott
733
00:40:20,763 --> 00:40:23,225
for an hour or two,
and we went to lunch.
734
00:40:24,569 --> 00:40:26,063
[Richie] It was interesting.
735
00:40:26,098 --> 00:40:27,636
It was the first time
I was ever in there,
736
00:40:27,671 --> 00:40:29,231
and they don't give
tours to people.
737
00:40:29,266 --> 00:40:34,170
♪
738
00:40:34,205 --> 00:40:36,777
[interviewer speaking]
739
00:40:37,279 --> 00:40:39,615
Um, yeah.
Yeah, he did.
740
00:40:39,650 --> 00:40:42,585
He was sort of a little bit
like a PR agency in a way.
741
00:40:42,620 --> 00:40:44,752
[Richie]
That one's worth about $700.
742
00:40:44,787 --> 00:40:46,083
There's another stickeron the back.
743
00:40:46,118 --> 00:40:47,755
An original sticker.
744
00:40:47,790 --> 00:40:49,658
[man] Wow, that's terrific.
745
00:40:49,693 --> 00:40:51,154
Well, thank you, Richard.We appreciate it.
746
00:40:51,189 --> 00:40:52,826
We all love Pez,and now we know why.
747
00:40:53,161 --> 00:40:56,599
[Richie] I remember
when I went to the Pez factory,
748
00:40:56,634 --> 00:40:59,569
Scott McWhinnie pulled
one out of his pocket.
749
00:40:59,604 --> 00:41:01,604
He goes,
"Hey, you see this dispenser?
750
00:41:01,639 --> 00:41:03,265
-You know what this is?"
-And I said yeah.
751
00:41:03,300 --> 00:41:06,136
And he says, "Yeah,
I'm gonna be sellin' it soon."
752
00:41:07,942 --> 00:41:09,612
[bubble pops]
753
00:41:09,647 --> 00:41:11,581
Bubble Man was designed
by Scott McWhinnie.
754
00:41:11,616 --> 00:41:13,242
He loved it.
755
00:41:13,277 --> 00:41:14,650
Absolutely, [coughing]
he was passionate about it.
756
00:41:14,685 --> 00:41:16,212
That was his.
757
00:41:16,247 --> 00:41:20,557
[cheerful music plays]
758
00:41:20,592 --> 00:41:23,285
He had the character
developed and designed.
759
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:26,761
Even went as far as having
the name, um, registered.
760
00:41:26,796 --> 00:41:31,700
♪
761
00:41:34,067 --> 00:41:36,738
Um,
and it was a project that Scott
762
00:41:36,773 --> 00:41:38,938
pretty much
worked on himself.
763
00:41:38,973 --> 00:41:42,172
And I-- I think he--
he cared very much about it.
764
00:41:42,207 --> 00:41:45,109
♪
765
00:41:45,144 --> 00:41:46,715
[bubble pops]
766
00:41:46,750 --> 00:41:49,014
However,
that project was put on hold.
767
00:41:49,049 --> 00:41:51,819
And when Scott heard
that people were bringing
768
00:41:51,854 --> 00:41:53,887
Bubble Man over into
the United States
769
00:41:53,922 --> 00:41:55,856
and selling them for an obscene
amount of money,
770
00:41:55,891 --> 00:41:56,989
that burned him up.
771
00:41:59,224 --> 00:42:01,862
Most expensive one hereright now is this guy here.
772
00:42:01,897 --> 00:42:04,062
And he's not old.He's from 1992.
773
00:42:04,097 --> 00:42:05,294
He's calledthe Bubble Gum Man.
774
00:42:05,329 --> 00:42:06,603
He's a prototype.
775
00:42:07,172 --> 00:42:11,300
Scott McWhinnie was watching,
um, some news reel
776
00:42:11,335 --> 00:42:15,876
of a Pez convention,
and he saw the Bubble Man.
777
00:42:15,911 --> 00:42:17,977
Some girl had
one for sale.
778
00:42:18,012 --> 00:42:19,946
[woman] There's only about20 known in the whole world.
779
00:42:19,981 --> 00:42:21,750
It was something they designed
780
00:42:21,785 --> 00:42:23,686
that they didn't have topay licensing for.
781
00:42:23,721 --> 00:42:25,347
Manufactured a few,and looked at it and said,
782
00:42:25,382 --> 00:42:27,217
"what were we thinkingwhen we made this?"
783
00:42:27,252 --> 00:42:29,219
-And that was the end of that.-It's butt ugly.
784
00:42:29,254 --> 00:42:31,254
-[woman] That's right.
-[laughing]
785
00:42:32,961 --> 00:42:35,225
[John] And Scott McWhinnie
had a fit.
786
00:42:35,260 --> 00:42:36,765
[woman] And right nowhis asking price
787
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:38,195
is $1200.
788
00:42:38,230 --> 00:42:40,637
[reporter]
Wow, $1200 for a Pez?
789
00:42:40,672 --> 00:42:41,737
That's amazing.
790
00:42:41,772 --> 00:42:46,808
[music intensifying]
791
00:42:49,780 --> 00:42:52,979
At this point, when Scott
became aware of the-- the abuse
792
00:42:53,014 --> 00:42:56,917
that was going,
the best way of killing that
793
00:42:56,952 --> 00:43:00,690
was to take those dispensers
and put them into the direct
794
00:43:00,725 --> 00:43:03,253
marketing program, and sell
it to all the collectors
795
00:43:03,288 --> 00:43:05,321
at a reasonable price.
796
00:43:05,923 --> 00:43:07,697
[Johann] Okay,
this is Bubble Man.
797
00:43:07,732 --> 00:43:09,259
It's worth nothing.
798
00:43:09,294 --> 00:43:11,294
Everybody shouted,
"Bubble Man! Bubble Man!"
799
00:43:11,329 --> 00:43:13,164
These are absolutely rare.
They will not produce it.
800
00:43:13,199 --> 00:43:14,803
And then it--
then they produced it.
801
00:43:15,238 --> 00:43:18,741
Maybe actually on purpose
to-- to-- to--
802
00:43:18,776 --> 00:43:20,105
to damage the collector scene.
803
00:43:20,474 --> 00:43:23,977
The reason that anybody
was willing to pay 1200
804
00:43:24,012 --> 00:43:26,078
to begin with was because,
at the time,
805
00:43:26,113 --> 00:43:28,113
they thought that
there were less than ten.
806
00:43:28,148 --> 00:43:29,686
[Bud] I gotta tell you,
807
00:43:29,721 --> 00:43:31,215
when we put Bubble Man
out there,
808
00:43:31,250 --> 00:43:33,184
it was insane
the amount of orders we got.
809
00:43:33,586 --> 00:43:35,956
People want 'em, you know,
for a $1.99.
810
00:43:35,991 --> 00:43:38,090
You got
a $1200 dispenser.
811
00:43:38,125 --> 00:43:40,125
[laughing] So, it was like--
812
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:42,457
They've sold more
Bubble Boy than any--
813
00:43:42,492 --> 00:43:45,097
probably any
damn dispenser ever,
814
00:43:45,132 --> 00:43:47,968
and it came out
of Scott being so mad
815
00:43:48,003 --> 00:43:49,838
that
he couldn't see straight,
816
00:43:49,873 --> 00:43:53,743
and ordering
the product to stomp on us.
817
00:43:54,878 --> 00:43:56,240
You deal with the devil.
818
00:43:57,914 --> 00:44:00,442
And in all honesty,
Scott McWhinnie
819
00:44:00,477 --> 00:44:02,411
was my arch-nemesis.
820
00:44:03,249 --> 00:44:04,446
Oh, I hated his guts.
821
00:44:05,015 --> 00:44:09,891
And that's when I decided
to become the Pez Outlaw.
822
00:44:09,926 --> 00:44:11,024
[upbeat music playing]
823
00:44:13,028 --> 00:44:16,326
I needed a vessel.
A person.
824
00:44:18,231 --> 00:44:20,297
I needed to build him.
825
00:44:20,332 --> 00:44:23,938
So that I can draw him in
when I need him.
826
00:44:23,973 --> 00:44:27,777
I definitely viewed the whole
thing as an adventure.
827
00:44:27,812 --> 00:44:31,044
The money,
the travel, the quest.
828
00:44:31,679 --> 00:44:35,917
My goal from that point on
was for accumulation.
829
00:44:35,952 --> 00:44:39,415
I needed the product
so I could beat Scott.
830
00:44:39,450 --> 00:44:43,320
Every sale I could take away
from Scott McWhinnie
831
00:44:43,355 --> 00:44:45,223
was a nail in his coffin.
832
00:44:47,194 --> 00:44:50,063
As the Pez Outlaw,
ain't nothing stops me.
833
00:44:50,098 --> 00:44:51,900
I mean,
for good or ill.
834
00:44:53,101 --> 00:44:54,166
[car horn honking]
835
00:44:54,201 --> 00:44:55,805
[Steve] I will win.
836
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:59,039
I will win.
In the end.
837
00:45:03,474 --> 00:45:06,046
At that point,
we were going to Europe
838
00:45:06,081 --> 00:45:08,851
about every three
or four weeks.
839
00:45:08,886 --> 00:45:12,283
And going to shows
in between that.
840
00:45:12,318 --> 00:45:14,384
Sometimes
even landing at shows
841
00:45:14,419 --> 00:45:16,254
and going directly to them.
842
00:45:16,289 --> 00:45:18,993
[cheerful music playing]
843
00:45:22,427 --> 00:45:24,328
[Josh] We had so much cash
844
00:45:24,363 --> 00:45:27,100
a-- after some of these
conventions that,
845
00:45:27,135 --> 00:45:29,531
you know, you-- you did
feel like a rock star.
846
00:45:29,566 --> 00:45:33,073
I had so much money
that I was absolutely drunk.
847
00:45:33,108 --> 00:45:35,372
And ta-da,we have a basement.
848
00:45:36,881 --> 00:45:39,079
[Steve] But I mean,
we bought a ton of things.
849
00:45:39,114 --> 00:45:41,048
We bought a new house.
850
00:45:41,083 --> 00:45:43,347
Well, guess what?Here's my house in the ditch.
851
00:45:43,782 --> 00:45:45,954
[Moriah]
My mom really was able
852
00:45:45,989 --> 00:45:48,187
to have the freedom with them
coming into a little more money
853
00:45:48,222 --> 00:45:50,794
to really pursue
what she wanted to do.
854
00:45:59,365 --> 00:46:01,332
She went to schooling
to become
855
00:46:01,367 --> 00:46:03,367
a therapeutic
horseback riding instructor.
856
00:46:03,402 --> 00:46:04,500
[Kathy speaking]
857
00:46:06,603 --> 00:46:09,142
Steve had become
nouveau riche at this point.
858
00:46:09,177 --> 00:46:12,046
His Pez market was booming.
859
00:46:12,081 --> 00:46:15,049
He was making tons of money,
which he never had before.
860
00:46:15,084 --> 00:46:16,446
Hey, that's
how I was doing things.
861
00:46:16,481 --> 00:46:18,184
I just-- talk to my bank.
862
00:46:18,219 --> 00:46:19,383
Do this, do that.
863
00:46:19,852 --> 00:46:21,583
He was so generous
with his money,
864
00:46:21,618 --> 00:46:23,959
he paid his family
and all his helpers well.
865
00:46:23,994 --> 00:46:26,423
I benefitted,
'cause I got to go to college
866
00:46:26,458 --> 00:46:28,227
without having to pay
for any of it.
867
00:46:28,796 --> 00:46:31,098
It was magic.
The whole time was magic.
868
00:46:31,661 --> 00:46:32,935
I won the lottery.
869
00:46:36,501 --> 00:46:39,634
Pez Outlaw was
so dominant in the marketplace
870
00:46:39,669 --> 00:46:42,142
that Scott McWhinnie,
the Pezident...
871
00:46:43,574 --> 00:46:45,013
He was losing.
872
00:46:45,048 --> 00:46:47,279
They advertised nothing.
873
00:46:47,881 --> 00:46:52,020
I had two full-page ads
in one publication,
874
00:46:52,055 --> 00:46:54,891
a full-page ad
in another publication...
875
00:46:54,926 --> 00:46:56,354
every month.
876
00:46:56,389 --> 00:46:58,422
He was blatantly
advertising these things.
877
00:46:58,891 --> 00:47:01,194
There's the easiest way
to find out.
878
00:47:01,229 --> 00:47:02,866
Steve was his own worst enemy.
879
00:47:03,702 --> 00:47:05,660
You know, put a billboard up,
here I am, guys.
880
00:47:05,695 --> 00:47:08,168
Come after me. [laughing]
So, it's like--
881
00:47:08,203 --> 00:47:10,137
Well, you gotta remember,
at the end of the day,
882
00:47:10,172 --> 00:47:11,435
Pez is a brand.
883
00:47:11,470 --> 00:47:13,239
It's a registered brand.
884
00:47:13,274 --> 00:47:15,109
You go over there
on vacation, you bring back,
885
00:47:15,144 --> 00:47:16,913
you know,
a dozen, yourself.
886
00:47:16,948 --> 00:47:18,475
You can sell them online.
Nobody cares about that.
887
00:47:18,977 --> 00:47:20,510
When you start selling
thousands of 'em,
888
00:47:21,145 --> 00:47:23,150
and you're running
full-page ads...
889
00:47:23,652 --> 00:47:25,284
now you become a business.
890
00:47:25,319 --> 00:47:27,385
Scott took it
very seriously,
891
00:47:27,420 --> 00:47:30,190
"I'm gonna protect my product,
I'm gonna protect my brand.
892
00:47:30,225 --> 00:47:31,620
They're not gonna get
away with that any longer.
893
00:47:31,655 --> 00:47:32,929
[crickets chirping]
894
00:47:32,964 --> 00:47:34,359
♪
895
00:47:48,672 --> 00:47:50,672
[Josh] After I couldn't
go with him anymore,
896
00:47:50,707 --> 00:47:55,985
um, I wasn't scared for him,
but I definitely was surprised,
897
00:47:56,020 --> 00:48:00,583
uh, that, you know,
he was able to-- to go alone.
898
00:48:03,687 --> 00:48:05,258
[Steve]
It was very nerve-wracking
899
00:48:05,293 --> 00:48:06,556
headin' off on my own.
900
00:48:07,691 --> 00:48:10,164
[Kathy speaking]
901
00:48:22,739 --> 00:48:27,346
I think his mental health,
uh, state of mind,
902
00:48:27,381 --> 00:48:29,645
ex-drug persona, has to--
903
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:32,384
it-- it can't not
play into paranoias.
904
00:48:32,419 --> 00:48:33,583
[ominous music playing]
905
00:48:33,618 --> 00:48:35,123
[car engine whirring]
906
00:48:36,357 --> 00:48:38,489
I learned
to protect my space.
907
00:48:38,524 --> 00:48:40,293
[clock ticking]
908
00:48:44,332 --> 00:48:48,301
Getting off the
highway, taking back roads.
909
00:48:49,535 --> 00:48:51,172
Totally paranoid.
910
00:48:51,207 --> 00:48:52,635
I saw people
following me all the time.
911
00:48:53,671 --> 00:48:56,705
If I thought there was somebody
behind me, man, I'd ditch 'em.
912
00:48:56,740 --> 00:48:58,047
[tires screeching]
913
00:49:04,319 --> 00:49:06,748
[David] He had things
to be paranoid about.
914
00:49:06,783 --> 00:49:11,489
So, I would imagine that
he didn't know who to trust.
915
00:49:13,559 --> 00:49:15,625
[Steve] Coming
from the Midwest,
916
00:49:15,660 --> 00:49:21,433
I had never seen officials
with machine guns.
917
00:49:23,074 --> 00:49:26,537
So, every border crossing
was a threat.
918
00:49:28,541 --> 00:49:30,739
Not just the people
with machine guns...
919
00:49:30,774 --> 00:49:32,675
[indistinct chatter]
920
00:49:32,710 --> 00:49:35,546
...but the biggest nightmare
would be losing the load.
921
00:49:37,418 --> 00:49:38,747
That mattered.
922
00:49:38,782 --> 00:49:40,716
-[dogs barking]
-[man] [indistinct]
923
00:49:42,225 --> 00:49:44,588
Every bag
out on to the blacktop.
924
00:49:45,357 --> 00:49:48,460
Every bag open.
Every bag dumped.
925
00:49:51,135 --> 00:49:53,135
Could I have possibly
gotten arrested?
926
00:49:53,170 --> 00:49:55,104
Yes.
927
00:49:55,139 --> 00:49:58,338
Would traps have been laid?
Yes.
928
00:50:00,276 --> 00:50:02,705
Sometimes, all he really wanted
was a bribe.
929
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:06,709
I learned, if something
happens of that nature...
930
00:50:09,549 --> 00:50:11,153
Hand out some money,
you're done.
931
00:50:17,623 --> 00:50:21,526
Being that close to illegal,
maybe illegal.
932
00:50:21,561 --> 00:50:23,363
Of course you're paranoid.
933
00:50:27,864 --> 00:50:29,402
[Bud] Scott never,
ever went to Europe
934
00:50:29,437 --> 00:50:30,799
to go chase down Steve.
935
00:50:30,834 --> 00:50:32,471
So, there--
there's none of this,
936
00:50:32,506 --> 00:50:34,176
you know, Scott
in a dark suit, you know,
937
00:50:34,211 --> 00:50:35,672
trying-- you know,
hiding behind corners.
938
00:50:35,707 --> 00:50:37,245
You know,
"I got you, Glew."
939
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:38,576
You know? [laughing]
940
00:50:38,611 --> 00:50:40,182
There wasn't
any of that drama.
941
00:50:40,217 --> 00:50:41,348
None of that ever existed.
942
00:50:42,681 --> 00:50:44,516
[Steve] Would Scott McWhinnie
have tried
943
00:50:44,551 --> 00:50:46,254
to have people follow me?
944
00:50:46,289 --> 00:50:47,816
Yeah, he would've done that.
In a heartbeat.
945
00:50:49,754 --> 00:50:52,161
But if they were following me,
I did shake 'em.
946
00:50:55,595 --> 00:50:56,693
[music fades]
947
00:50:59,170 --> 00:51:00,631
[garage door whirring]
948
00:51:18,189 --> 00:51:19,353
Steve Glew
was standing here.
949
00:51:21,654 --> 00:51:24,391
This was the place-- the place
Steve Glew was waiting for me.
950
00:51:25,093 --> 00:51:27,790
I just decided
to go visit Johann.
951
00:51:27,825 --> 00:51:29,495
I don't know
how I had his address,
952
00:51:29,530 --> 00:51:31,860
where I got it,
I have no idea, but I did.
953
00:51:31,895 --> 00:51:33,565
He came to me
without appointment.
954
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:35,468
He just was standing
in front of my door.
955
00:51:35,503 --> 00:51:38,504
All of a sudden,
a guy pulls up on a, uh...
956
00:51:39,309 --> 00:51:40,902
mo-- motorbike.
957
00:51:40,937 --> 00:51:43,212
And I said, "You are lucky,
I am Johann Patek."
958
00:51:43,247 --> 00:51:44,576
And he said,
"Oh, I am Steve Glew
959
00:51:44,611 --> 00:51:46,710
from America
and I want to buy Pez."
960
00:51:46,745 --> 00:51:48,316
I just wanted to buy Pez.
961
00:51:48,851 --> 00:51:50,681
My answer was,
"Oh, yes, let's do."
962
00:51:50,716 --> 00:51:53,387
Let's do some deals
and I will show you something.
963
00:51:55,688 --> 00:51:57,457
I ask him to wait outside,
964
00:51:57,492 --> 00:52:00,460
and then I went in
and brought him some Pez.
965
00:52:00,962 --> 00:52:02,627
[Steve]
I had to sit on the curb
966
00:52:02,662 --> 00:52:05,762
outside this house he owned.
967
00:52:05,797 --> 00:52:07,731
While he went in
and got the product.
968
00:52:13,409 --> 00:52:15,211
[Tina] Johann Patek. Yes.
969
00:52:16,314 --> 00:52:20,315
I do not know very much
about him that I would tell.
970
00:52:23,749 --> 00:52:25,254
It's all very basic here.
971
00:52:30,954 --> 00:52:33,427
[Richie] Johann
is a collector in Austria.
972
00:52:33,462 --> 00:52:34,923
You know,
is this off the record?
973
00:52:34,958 --> 00:52:37,332
-[interviewer speaking]
-Oh, okay.
974
00:52:42,570 --> 00:52:44,603
"What's in there?"
I don't tell you.
975
00:52:46,002 --> 00:52:47,441
I will tell you later.
976
00:52:48,807 --> 00:52:50,642
There's not much
to tell there.
977
00:52:50,677 --> 00:52:54,547
I mean, he's basically
just been a competitor of mine.
978
00:52:56,485 --> 00:52:58,584
[Johann] And now, something
dangerous will appear.
979
00:52:58,619 --> 00:52:59,981
Let me see. Uh.
980
00:53:00,016 --> 00:53:03,391
Hi, guys. Hands up,
or I shoot you.
981
00:53:03,426 --> 00:53:04,557
[gun clicks]
982
00:53:04,592 --> 00:53:07,230
It's a genuine Pez shooter.
983
00:53:07,599 --> 00:53:09,760
Now, Zorro. Oho.
984
00:53:10,829 --> 00:53:12,367
I am fighting for the poor.
985
00:53:12,402 --> 00:53:14,369
I am taking
the money from the rich.
986
00:53:14,404 --> 00:53:15,898
I am Zorro and I--
987
00:53:15,933 --> 00:53:17,735
so everybody
could recognize me,
988
00:53:17,770 --> 00:53:19,869
I have Zorro
written on my stem.
989
00:53:19,904 --> 00:53:22,377
Otherwise, somebody would say,
"I am a bank robber."
990
00:53:23,413 --> 00:53:24,874
[Tina] He knows everybody.
991
00:53:25,309 --> 00:53:27,283
But, yeah, he's a--
992
00:53:27,318 --> 00:53:30,385
[interviewer speaking]
993
00:53:30,420 --> 00:53:32,585
Um... [laughing]
994
00:53:32,620 --> 00:53:34,917
He was in the right
place at the right time.
995
00:53:34,952 --> 00:53:39,262
Steve happened in and kind of
got in that territory.
996
00:53:39,964 --> 00:53:43,299
Um, and I don't know
if they're friends.
997
00:53:43,334 --> 00:53:44,894
[Johann speaking]
998
00:53:52,838 --> 00:53:54,442
[interviewer]
Can we go up there and film?
999
00:53:54,477 --> 00:53:56,004
-No.
-[interviewer] No?
1000
00:53:56,439 --> 00:53:58,644
-Okay, well, why not?
-No.
1001
00:53:58,679 --> 00:54:01,878
Because this will--
in-- affect my business.
1002
00:54:01,913 --> 00:54:03,352
Oh, I have to...
1003
00:54:03,987 --> 00:54:06,520
[slaps wood] ...be silent
because I'm on a tape.
1004
00:54:07,457 --> 00:54:08,687
I have no business.
1005
00:54:08,722 --> 00:54:10,557
I never was
a businessman.
1006
00:54:10,592 --> 00:54:14,693
I always wanted to be
part of the collectors game.
1007
00:54:16,532 --> 00:54:17,993
[Steve] He just
didn't want me to see.
1008
00:54:19,535 --> 00:54:22,635
If people knew
how much he actually had,
1009
00:54:22,670 --> 00:54:24,670
like, if I had opened
my mouth to the world
1010
00:54:24,705 --> 00:54:26,507
that he had one bazillion...
1011
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:29,708
uh, the value
would have plummeted.
1012
00:54:29,743 --> 00:54:32,513
Then, all of a sudden,
he wasn't interested anymore.
1013
00:54:32,548 --> 00:54:34,075
Because he thought
he-- he could get it
1014
00:54:34,110 --> 00:54:35,879
for an apple and an egg.
1015
00:54:35,914 --> 00:54:40,488
But this was not so,
and so we parted our ways.
1016
00:54:42,723 --> 00:54:44,723
He did not even know
what he was doing.
1017
00:54:44,758 --> 00:54:46,692
I mean,
every dedicated collector
1018
00:54:46,727 --> 00:54:49,123
is crazy a little bit
in his mind.
1019
00:54:49,158 --> 00:54:51,499
Because otherwise
he would not be a collector.
1020
00:54:51,534 --> 00:54:53,468
Collecting is, um,
1021
00:54:53,503 --> 00:54:55,635
more or less a-- a disease.
1022
00:55:07,517 --> 00:55:10,419
[saw whirring]
1023
00:55:11,818 --> 00:55:14,423
[Steve] I think
my symptoms of anxiety,
1024
00:55:14,458 --> 00:55:17,558
depression,
the highs, the lows,
1025
00:55:17,593 --> 00:55:21,463
where you-- you-- the minute
you've-- you get high,
1026
00:55:21,498 --> 00:55:22,761
the immediate thought...
1027
00:55:23,330 --> 00:55:24,961
is what you know is coming.
1028
00:55:25,832 --> 00:55:26,864
The low.
1029
00:55:27,333 --> 00:55:28,998
So, you don't even
get to enjoy it.
1030
00:55:30,001 --> 00:55:31,935
[melancholic music playing]
1031
00:55:31,970 --> 00:55:33,706
[drill whirring]
1032
00:55:37,613 --> 00:55:39,976
[Kathy speaks]
1033
00:55:51,726 --> 00:55:53,088
[Steve] In my brain,
1034
00:55:53,123 --> 00:55:55,189
I decided that
what was going on--
1035
00:55:55,224 --> 00:55:56,993
well,
I just made something up.
1036
00:55:59,096 --> 00:56:01,437
[drill whirring]
1037
00:56:01,472 --> 00:56:03,406
I have a very good...
1038
00:56:04,068 --> 00:56:05,639
imagination, and...
1039
00:56:06,074 --> 00:56:08,972
my heart is in creation.
1040
00:56:09,007 --> 00:56:10,072
Hah!
1041
00:56:11,141 --> 00:56:12,415
It's actually straight.
1042
00:56:13,748 --> 00:56:15,077
[Kathy speaks]
1043
00:56:27,091 --> 00:56:28,629
-[music fades]
-[crickets chirping]
1044
00:56:32,734 --> 00:56:34,734
[Steve speaking]
1045
00:56:47,177 --> 00:56:48,616
[both laughing]
1046
00:56:51,214 --> 00:56:53,049
[upbeat music playing]
1047
00:56:53,084 --> 00:56:55,117
[Josh] By that time,
I had my master's in business.
1048
00:56:55,152 --> 00:56:57,218
And I'd always envisioned,
you know,
1049
00:56:57,253 --> 00:56:59,759
coming and working
for my dad, uh, anyways.
1050
00:56:59,794 --> 00:57:01,629
He had the momentum,
1051
00:57:01,664 --> 00:57:04,632
he had the pockets,
he had the mechanism in place.
1052
00:57:07,736 --> 00:57:09,164
[Steve] We had six employees,
1053
00:57:09,199 --> 00:57:10,737
Josh was on the team.
1054
00:57:12,136 --> 00:57:15,137
And I continued
my adventures as Pez Outlaw.
1055
00:57:15,939 --> 00:57:19,680
I enjoyed messing
with Scott McWhinnie.
1056
00:57:19,715 --> 00:57:21,649
He'd go
into boardrooms in Europe,
1057
00:57:21,684 --> 00:57:24,751
screaming and yelling
and calling everybody names.
1058
00:57:24,786 --> 00:57:27,281
Here he is,
some president
1059
00:57:27,316 --> 00:57:30,053
of an international
corporation.
1060
00:57:30,088 --> 00:57:31,824
-I am Pez USA! I am--
-[Steve] And yet,
1061
00:57:31,859 --> 00:57:33,760
I'm the number one thing
on his mind?
1062
00:57:33,795 --> 00:57:35,696
Oh, my God,
I think I love you.
1063
00:57:36,198 --> 00:57:39,634
We could've, um, sued him.
Brought him to court.
1064
00:57:39,669 --> 00:57:41,735
The time, the money,
the frustration,
1065
00:57:41,770 --> 00:57:43,671
to sue this guy.
1066
00:57:43,706 --> 00:57:46,135
I have other ways I could
do it for a lot less money.
1067
00:57:46,170 --> 00:57:49,270
[tires screeching]
1068
00:57:51,241 --> 00:57:55,210
[Steve] I doubt literally
that people were following me.
1069
00:57:56,587 --> 00:57:58,785
[interviewer speaking]
1070
00:58:03,924 --> 00:58:05,660
Yeah, the Shadow.
1071
00:58:05,695 --> 00:58:07,255
The Shadow was following him.
1072
00:58:10,733 --> 00:58:14,636
[laughing]
1073
00:58:15,265 --> 00:58:16,572
That's fun.
1074
00:58:16,607 --> 00:58:17,672
That's fun.
1075
00:58:18,972 --> 00:58:21,269
It ain't paranoid
if it turns out to be true.
1076
00:58:26,815 --> 00:58:28,078
[shutter clicks]
1077
00:58:32,381 --> 00:58:35,118
[Bud] Scott would call
his counterparts over in Europe
1078
00:58:35,153 --> 00:58:37,593
and discuss
these illegal dispensers
1079
00:58:37,628 --> 00:58:39,892
that Steve was importing
and selling,
1080
00:58:39,927 --> 00:58:43,324
and about having a stop put
to it, and the Europeans agreed
1081
00:58:43,359 --> 00:58:46,668
to hire a private investigator
to put an end to it.
1082
00:58:46,703 --> 00:58:48,802
I don't know who that was,
'cause they're private.
1083
00:58:50,773 --> 00:58:52,201
Did they find out anything?
1084
00:58:53,070 --> 00:58:55,006
It-- it seemed
like there was pieces
1085
00:58:55,041 --> 00:58:58,009
of the puzzle that
were hard to put together.
1086
00:58:58,044 --> 00:59:00,275
I mean, I have
my own personal theories...
1087
00:59:01,245 --> 00:59:02,882
that...
1088
00:59:02,917 --> 00:59:04,686
you know, I think
that maybe there was
1089
00:59:04,721 --> 00:59:06,655
some people with-- inside
the company at the time
1090
00:59:06,690 --> 00:59:08,151
that were doing things
they shouldn't have been doing.
1091
00:59:08,653 --> 00:59:10,318
[interviewer]
Steve has told us that...
1092
00:59:10,853 --> 00:59:12,925
Gunther Leitner was actually
1093
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:14,795
selling things
under the table to him.
1094
00:59:14,830 --> 00:59:15,994
No.
1095
00:59:16,396 --> 00:59:18,260
I mean,
my experience with Gunther,
1096
00:59:18,295 --> 00:59:19,866
he was always
an upstanding man.
1097
00:59:19,901 --> 00:59:21,395
Upstanding businessman.
1098
00:59:21,430 --> 00:59:23,870
Gunther was well-known
in the Pez organization
1099
00:59:23,905 --> 00:59:25,267
because he was in
charge of the factories.
1100
00:59:25,702 --> 00:59:28,776
You know, he was the--
the top guy, so...
1101
00:59:28,811 --> 00:59:31,339
that-- that would be
beneath him, to do that.
1102
00:59:35,686 --> 00:59:37,147
[church bells tolling]
1103
00:59:39,316 --> 00:59:41,921
♪
1104
00:59:41,956 --> 00:59:44,187
-[Gunther] Dog, come here.
-[dog barks]
1105
00:59:55,398 --> 00:59:59,268
[Gunther speaking]
1106
01:00:11,282 --> 01:00:14,085
[interviewer speaking]
1107
01:00:30,202 --> 01:00:32,268
[interviewer] David Welch?
Do you know that name?
1108
01:00:34,910 --> 01:00:35,975
[interviewer speaking]
1109
01:00:36,945 --> 01:00:38,307
[interviewer speaking]
1110
01:00:43,314 --> 01:00:45,017
[interviewer speaking]
1111
01:00:46,856 --> 01:00:48,218
[interviewer speaking]
1112
01:00:49,485 --> 01:00:52,860
[interviewer speaking]
1113
01:01:20,989 --> 01:01:24,056
[interviewer speaking]
1114
01:01:50,084 --> 01:01:51,952
[interviewer speaking]
1115
01:01:51,987 --> 01:01:55,252
[Gunther speaking]
1116
01:02:14,471 --> 01:02:15,910
[interviewer speaking]
1117
01:02:26,219 --> 01:02:28,120
[foreboding music playing]
1118
01:02:30,388 --> 01:02:32,795
[John] Steve Glew
became so notorious...
1119
01:02:33,424 --> 01:02:35,259
that even over there,
1120
01:02:35,294 --> 01:02:38,933
they had pictures
of Steve Glew in the factory.
1121
01:02:39,635 --> 01:02:43,102
And Pez even decided,
let's put video cameras
1122
01:02:43,137 --> 01:02:46,171
here-- there-- there,
24/7 on the lines,
1123
01:02:46,206 --> 01:02:49,537
so if somebody came in at night
or whatever, we can see them.
1124
01:02:54,610 --> 01:02:56,049
[VHS player clicking]
1125
01:02:58,515 --> 01:03:01,186
[Steve] It was definitely
a cat and mouse game
1126
01:03:01,221 --> 01:03:02,385
between McWhinnie and I.
1127
01:03:02,420 --> 01:03:04,123
-[banging]
-I was a threat.
1128
01:03:06,259 --> 01:03:08,490
[Bud] So, yes,
there were meetings a-- amongst
1129
01:03:08,525 --> 01:03:11,933
myself and Scott and other
people within the company.
1130
01:03:11,968 --> 01:03:13,165
But he was passionate
about it.
1131
01:03:13,867 --> 01:03:16,432
And-- and passionate
that, you know,
1132
01:03:16,467 --> 01:03:17,906
that he wanted 'em stopped.
1133
01:03:23,177 --> 01:03:25,111
[Steve]
I had to be very careful.
1134
01:03:25,146 --> 01:03:26,475
Very careful.
1135
01:03:26,510 --> 01:03:28,213
Where I went,
how much exposure
1136
01:03:28,248 --> 01:03:30,116
I gave myself.
1137
01:03:30,151 --> 01:03:33,119
They just knew who I was.
Everybody knew who I was.
1138
01:03:34,584 --> 01:03:35,616
♪
1139
01:03:35,651 --> 01:03:37,420
[planes whooshing past]
1140
01:03:39,391 --> 01:03:41,864
On one of the last trips
to Europe...
1141
01:03:43,065 --> 01:03:46,165
it's like visiting
this very special,
1142
01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:47,661
wonderful place.
1143
01:03:47,696 --> 01:03:50,939
And the door
to the factory offices
1144
01:03:50,974 --> 01:03:52,105
was wide open.
1145
01:03:52,943 --> 01:03:54,503
And Gunther... [laughing]
1146
01:03:54,538 --> 01:03:56,109
...Gunther
happened to be there.
1147
01:03:56,678 --> 01:04:00,080
And he came running
out of the offices
1148
01:04:00,115 --> 01:04:01,675
into the parking lot,
1149
01:04:01,710 --> 01:04:04,447
and he just goes,
"You cannot be here!
1150
01:04:04,482 --> 01:04:07,516
You cannot be here!
I cannot be seen with you!
1151
01:04:07,551 --> 01:04:09,584
I don't know you!
I don't know you!"
1152
01:04:15,592 --> 01:04:18,362
[Steve] After that,
I knew I was persona non grata.
1153
01:04:20,102 --> 01:04:22,069
And if I went near
the place--
1154
01:04:22,104 --> 01:04:25,567
I mean, poor Marcos saw me and,
you know, it's just,
1155
01:04:25,602 --> 01:04:29,274
big hearted wonderful Marcos,
who you love dearly.
1156
01:04:29,309 --> 01:04:31,573
Won't look at you,
won't say a word.
1157
01:04:32,509 --> 01:04:35,214
They were afraid of me
because I could get 'em fired.
1158
01:04:35,649 --> 01:04:38,184
Um, they were afraid
to lose their jobs.
1159
01:04:38,219 --> 01:04:39,383
Every one of 'em.
1160
01:04:39,918 --> 01:04:42,221
Even knowing me
or saying they liked me
1161
01:04:42,256 --> 01:04:44,487
could cost them
their job and their livelihood.
1162
01:04:44,922 --> 01:04:48,326
And eventually it did shut
their factories down.
1163
01:04:48,361 --> 01:04:50,361
[interviewer speaking]
1164
01:04:50,396 --> 01:04:52,627
Uh, Kolinska turned into a...
1165
01:04:53,062 --> 01:04:55,069
a ketchup factory, and soup.
1166
01:04:56,534 --> 01:04:59,106
Ormoz turned
into a dustpan factory.
1167
01:04:59,141 --> 01:05:02,208
And, uh,
I don't say it with a brag.
1168
01:05:02,777 --> 01:05:05,211
But I accept responsibility
1169
01:05:05,246 --> 01:05:08,181
for both being shut down
because of me.
1170
01:05:09,415 --> 01:05:11,118
[Bud] It had nothing
to do with Steve Glew.
1171
01:05:12,715 --> 01:05:14,990
There wasn't
one decision made
1172
01:05:15,025 --> 01:05:19,588
regarding a factory that had
anything to do with Steve Glew.
1173
01:05:19,623 --> 01:05:21,260
Zero. [chuckling]
1174
01:05:23,792 --> 01:05:26,100
[Steve] I could see
the writing on the wall.
1175
01:05:26,135 --> 01:05:28,300
I was headin'
down the tubes.
1176
01:05:28,335 --> 01:05:30,401
Scott McWhinnie was winning
at that point,
1177
01:05:30,436 --> 01:05:35,373
because when you make it
impossible for somebody
1178
01:05:35,408 --> 01:05:38,310
to buy the thing
that competes, you win.
1179
01:05:38,345 --> 01:05:41,016
Yeah,
it was deeply frustrating.
1180
01:05:41,051 --> 01:05:42,743
I got the hell
out of there and...
1181
01:05:44,186 --> 01:05:45,251
it was just sad.
1182
01:05:47,618 --> 01:05:51,224
-[cricket chirping]
-[wistful music starts]
1183
01:05:55,230 --> 01:05:56,394
Once I got home...
1184
01:06:00,235 --> 01:06:02,466
there really wasn't room
for old me anymore.
1185
01:06:11,444 --> 01:06:14,049
Kathy's hands
started twitching.
1186
01:06:14,785 --> 01:06:17,646
And, uh, the Parkinson's
started coming on.
1187
01:06:27,130 --> 01:06:28,228
I can't do that.
1188
01:06:28,263 --> 01:06:29,460
Not gonna do that.
1189
01:06:32,663 --> 01:06:33,728
Not doing that.
1190
01:06:34,566 --> 01:06:36,764
[interviewer speaking]
1191
01:06:36,799 --> 01:06:39,107
[chuckling]
The whole story's about her.
1192
01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:41,505
I was busy.
1193
01:06:42,174 --> 01:06:44,079
Being what I call
Pez Outlaw,
1194
01:06:44,114 --> 01:06:46,675
and doing
what I needed to do
1195
01:06:46,710 --> 01:06:49,282
to earn what I thought
was being a man then.
1196
01:06:53,255 --> 01:06:56,619
But I knew
that I needed to be better.
1197
01:07:03,166 --> 01:07:04,825
It's okay, you'll beall grown-up and spotted,
1198
01:07:04,860 --> 01:07:06,563
and we'll showyou these pictures.
1199
01:07:07,465 --> 01:07:10,666
[Josh] As things became
more difficult for my mom...
1200
01:07:12,307 --> 01:07:15,770
he stepped up
to a new level of being
1201
01:07:15,805 --> 01:07:18,377
that I don't even think
the closest people,
1202
01:07:18,412 --> 01:07:19,741
you know, in our lives,
1203
01:07:19,776 --> 01:07:22,447
would've ever expected
to happen.
1204
01:07:22,482 --> 01:07:23,547
Um...
1205
01:07:24,583 --> 01:07:25,747
but that...
1206
01:07:27,322 --> 01:07:28,552
that's how much
he loves her.
1207
01:07:28,587 --> 01:07:29,685
My mom.
1208
01:07:33,691 --> 01:07:36,560
[hopeful music playing]
1209
01:07:36,595 --> 01:07:38,694
[Steve] I used to think
I had to ride a horse...
1210
01:07:39,730 --> 01:07:41,499
to be the man
she could love.
1211
01:07:42,235 --> 01:07:44,601
She liked horses, so,
"Ooh, I gotta be a cowboy."
1212
01:07:44,636 --> 01:07:47,208
So, I tried to be a cow--
You ain't gotta be a cowboy.
1213
01:07:47,243 --> 01:07:49,738
Be useful. Be decent.
1214
01:07:49,773 --> 01:07:51,410
Be kind.
1215
01:07:51,445 --> 01:07:52,609
Tell her you love her.
1216
01:07:54,844 --> 01:07:58,219
[Kathy speaking]
1217
01:08:08,231 --> 01:08:11,232
I went out
and did this crazy thing
1218
01:08:11,267 --> 01:08:14,169
because this crazy thing
took care of my family.
1219
01:08:16,470 --> 01:08:18,734
But if I was gonna
continue with Pez,
1220
01:08:18,769 --> 01:08:22,177
I realized that
I had to take action.
1221
01:08:22,212 --> 01:08:23,904
We gotta find
other ways to do things.
1222
01:08:24,339 --> 01:08:26,577
And that is what led to...
1223
01:08:27,679 --> 01:08:29,283
the big decision.
1224
01:08:35,720 --> 01:08:38,919
[Steve] Trying to find...
There we go.
1225
01:08:38,954 --> 01:08:40,228
[upbeat music starts]
1226
01:08:41,693 --> 01:08:45,827
After buying
all this product for so long,
1227
01:08:46,930 --> 01:08:50,799
i-- it finally occurred to me,
why don't I create my own?
1228
01:08:50,834 --> 01:08:54,770
Um, I had a lot of good ideas,
just like Marcos.
1229
01:08:54,805 --> 01:08:56,871
He's gonna hate me for this.
1230
01:08:56,906 --> 01:08:58,609
[laughing]
1231
01:08:58,644 --> 01:09:00,413
Steve was very creative.
1232
01:09:00,448 --> 01:09:01,876
He kept coming up with all
these different
1233
01:09:01,911 --> 01:09:03,581
interesting
color variations like, um,
1234
01:09:03,616 --> 01:09:06,683
crystal Pez
with see-through heads.
1235
01:09:06,718 --> 01:09:09,752
[David] If the order was,
you know, large quantities,
1236
01:09:09,787 --> 01:09:13,756
anyone can get anything
directly from a factory.
1237
01:09:13,791 --> 01:09:17,496
I decided to create
my own designs.
1238
01:09:17,531 --> 01:09:21,368
I'd named 'em
the "Holiday Colors."
1239
01:09:22,137 --> 01:09:24,932
The half million-dollar order
was my attempt to come out
1240
01:09:24,967 --> 01:09:27,836
of the shadows,
and do business openly.
1241
01:09:30,610 --> 01:09:32,247
I was trying to go legit.
1242
01:09:32,282 --> 01:09:34,447
Yes, definitely
I was trying to go legit.
1243
01:09:34,482 --> 01:09:36,614
And not have to talk
in code.
1244
01:09:37,249 --> 01:09:41,256
And, uh, be able to say,
"Yes, this is my product."
1245
01:09:41,958 --> 01:09:46,888
-[buttons beeping]
-[dial tone]
1246
01:09:47,660 --> 01:09:49,660
I mortgaged my house.
1247
01:09:50,729 --> 01:09:52,432
I took out a line of credit.
1248
01:09:52,467 --> 01:09:54,995
-That got me 250 of it.
-[cash register dings]
1249
01:09:55,030 --> 01:09:57,965
And then, believe it or not,
I had 250 cash.
1250
01:09:58,667 --> 01:10:01,408
You know,
we went from bringing it back
1251
01:10:01,443 --> 01:10:03,344
in, uh, duffle bags,
1252
01:10:03,379 --> 01:10:06,413
to importing it through
a broker in Grand Rapids.
1253
01:10:06,448 --> 01:10:09,515
And we were spending
huge amounts of money.
1254
01:10:09,550 --> 01:10:11,880
[upbeat electronica playing]
1255
01:10:14,654 --> 01:10:16,852
They created
all my product...
1256
01:10:17,421 --> 01:10:20,790
in the name that
it was going to, like, Taiwan.
1257
01:10:20,825 --> 01:10:23,496
And Taiwan packaging.
1258
01:10:24,598 --> 01:10:26,994
[whistling]
Rerouted it to me.
1259
01:10:27,865 --> 01:10:30,635
Legally. On paper, legally.
1260
01:10:41,945 --> 01:10:44,583
I laid out
the whole business plan, and...
1261
01:10:45,218 --> 01:10:48,015
I could afford to pay
just under five bucks
1262
01:10:48,050 --> 01:10:50,721
per to have them made.
1263
01:10:51,623 --> 01:10:55,528
And then sell 'em for 25
and be on a good profit margin.
1264
01:10:57,928 --> 01:11:00,533
And I'd been assured that
1265
01:11:00,568 --> 01:11:03,063
this was going to be
exclusive to me.
1266
01:11:03,098 --> 01:11:04,801
[dial tone beeping]
1267
01:11:04,836 --> 01:11:08,035
And I have faxes
of those assurances.
1268
01:11:08,070 --> 01:11:09,542
[fax machine whirring]
1269
01:11:13,878 --> 01:11:15,614
We were set.
1270
01:11:15,649 --> 01:11:18,881
Half a million dollars
was gonna turn into...
1271
01:11:18,916 --> 01:11:22,522
a minimum
of 2.5 million dollars.
1272
01:11:22,557 --> 01:11:25,052
And then Christmas time
rolls around,
1273
01:11:25,087 --> 01:11:26,955
and I was just so excited.
1274
01:11:26,990 --> 01:11:28,693
["What is Christmas"
by Hal David & John Cacavas]
1275
01:11:30,466 --> 01:11:31,762
♪ What is Christmas? ♪
1276
01:11:31,797 --> 01:11:33,533
♪ Christmas is for living ♪
1277
01:11:33,568 --> 01:11:35,095
♪ What is Christmas? ♪
1278
01:11:35,130 --> 01:11:37,537
♪ Christmas is for love ♪
1279
01:11:37,572 --> 01:11:40,672
♪ Christmasis for taking dreams ♪
1280
01:11:40,707 --> 01:11:43,642
♪ And makingdreams come true... ♪
1281
01:11:43,677 --> 01:11:46,381
Oh, my God.
Are you kiddin' me?
1282
01:11:46,416 --> 01:11:49,648
♪ ...everyone,especially for you ♪
1283
01:11:49,683 --> 01:11:52,915
Everything I wanted
was in front of me.
1284
01:11:52,950 --> 01:11:55,456
[laughing]
1285
01:11:59,495 --> 01:12:02,925
[Kathy speaking]
1286
01:12:08,471 --> 01:12:10,768
This is the stuff
people dream of.
1287
01:12:10,803 --> 01:12:17,445
♪ Christmas is for everyone,especially for you ♪
1288
01:12:17,480 --> 01:12:18,611
[fireworks popping]
1289
01:12:18,646 --> 01:12:20,107
The best thing in the world.
1290
01:12:20,142 --> 01:12:22,615
And Scott McWhinnie,
I'm not done yet.
1291
01:12:23,948 --> 01:12:25,013
[upbeat music playing]
1292
01:12:40,129 --> 01:12:42,162
We started selling
it at conventions,
1293
01:12:42,197 --> 01:12:45,066
I started
selling it at toy shows.
1294
01:12:45,101 --> 01:12:47,475
[Tina]
Everybody wanted his colors.
1295
01:12:47,510 --> 01:12:49,609
You know,
he had five different stems
1296
01:12:49,644 --> 01:12:51,941
of a yellow snowman
and of the red snowman.
1297
01:12:52,410 --> 01:12:54,680
You could only buy them
from Steve.
1298
01:12:54,715 --> 01:12:57,617
It was so different
than what Pez was putting out.
1299
01:12:57,652 --> 01:12:59,718
So, this is Pez's version
of the skull.
1300
01:12:59,753 --> 01:13:01,918
Right?
So, this is his variation.
1301
01:13:01,953 --> 01:13:04,085
You know, he did the black face
with the yellow eyes.
1302
01:13:04,120 --> 01:13:05,592
It just popped.
It looked cool.
1303
01:13:06,328 --> 01:13:09,123
Steve Glew had so many
color variations of things,
1304
01:13:09,158 --> 01:13:12,566
that I was in shock when I saw
those all out at one table.
1305
01:13:12,601 --> 01:13:14,535
[Steve] They were
selling like a madman.
1306
01:13:14,570 --> 01:13:17,230
And it was more
than I could dream of.
1307
01:13:17,265 --> 01:13:20,673
To have my own product line
that I was proud of.
1308
01:13:20,708 --> 01:13:23,137
And I was,
I was extremely proud of it.
1309
01:13:23,172 --> 01:13:26,910
That was the year
that I did a million bucks.
1310
01:13:27,279 --> 01:13:28,648
It was magic.
1311
01:13:31,279 --> 01:13:32,949
Going legit had worked,
1312
01:13:32,984 --> 01:13:36,524
but it was the briefest
moment ever because,
1313
01:13:36,559 --> 01:13:38,790
oh, man,
did the shit hit the fan.
1314
01:13:38,825 --> 01:13:40,121
[ominous music playing]
1315
01:13:44,600 --> 01:13:46,028
[Tina]
Steve and David Welch
1316
01:13:46,063 --> 01:13:50,230
and I were walking
from our rooms upstairs
1317
01:13:50,265 --> 01:13:52,100
down to the convention floor.
1318
01:13:53,169 --> 01:13:55,807
And we walked
through the door,
1319
01:13:55,842 --> 01:13:59,745
and the first thing we see
is this huge display.
1320
01:14:03,949 --> 01:14:06,983
[Bud] I had a job to do,
and I executed the job.
1321
01:14:07,018 --> 01:14:11,119
And the job
was to help stop this.
1322
01:14:24,706 --> 01:14:27,773
This is what Pez did
with the Misfit.
1323
01:14:27,808 --> 01:14:29,643
This is how
they packaged it.
1324
01:14:29,678 --> 01:14:32,239
To them, it was misfit,
it was ugly.
1325
01:14:32,274 --> 01:14:35,308
The ones that Steve had done
were on Pez cards.
1326
01:14:35,343 --> 01:14:37,046
They were made
at the factory.
1327
01:14:37,081 --> 01:14:39,719
They were on the--
a stripe candy card.
1328
01:14:39,754 --> 01:14:42,183
But then when we walked
into the ballroom that day,
1329
01:14:42,218 --> 01:14:44,119
they were
on a completely different card,
1330
01:14:44,154 --> 01:14:47,694
and they were actually labeled
on that card as Misfits.
1331
01:14:49,027 --> 01:14:50,961
Scott came up
with the name Misfits
1332
01:14:50,996 --> 01:14:53,227
'cause they didn't fit into
the rest of the assortment.
1333
01:14:53,896 --> 01:14:55,999
The Misfits
were manufactured
1334
01:14:56,034 --> 01:14:58,969
as a way to put
him out of business.
1335
01:14:59,338 --> 01:15:02,676
Where he was selling them for,
say, 20, 25 dollars,
1336
01:15:02,711 --> 01:15:04,810
we're selling
them now for $1.99.
1337
01:15:05,312 --> 01:15:09,210
[Steve] He sold for less
than I paid to have it made.
1338
01:15:11,181 --> 01:15:12,983
So, basically...
1339
01:15:13,552 --> 01:15:15,018
pulled the gas
right out of him.
1340
01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:17,119
Scott used the marketplace.
1341
01:15:17,154 --> 01:15:20,056
He used the market
to-- to kill him.
1342
01:15:23,358 --> 01:15:26,161
[Tina] The Pez company decided
to put him out of business.
1343
01:15:26,196 --> 01:15:27,998
Steve and David
turned around
1344
01:15:28,033 --> 01:15:29,329
and they went back
to their room,
1345
01:15:29,364 --> 01:15:30,902
and they never came back
that day.
1346
01:15:31,271 --> 01:15:33,707
[somber music playing]
1347
01:15:41,783 --> 01:15:43,178
It was horrible.
1348
01:15:43,213 --> 01:15:45,378
It was just horrible.
They hurt him.
1349
01:15:45,413 --> 01:15:48,788
They hurt him financially,
really bad.
1350
01:15:49,989 --> 01:15:52,660
[interviewer speaking]
1351
01:15:53,256 --> 01:15:55,058
Yeah. Yeah.
1352
01:15:55,093 --> 01:15:57,159
A little--
a little satisfaction.
1353
01:15:59,064 --> 01:16:01,768
The man
was broken that day.
1354
01:16:04,938 --> 01:16:06,806
[Steve]
I dropped my prices,
1355
01:16:06,841 --> 01:16:09,809
pushed it out into the market
as cheap as I had to.
1356
01:16:09,844 --> 01:16:11,206
It didn't work.
1357
01:16:14,046 --> 01:16:15,144
Worthless.
1358
01:16:15,179 --> 01:16:17,916
[downhearted music plays]
1359
01:17:12,401 --> 01:17:14,170
[Mike] I didn't realize
how devastating it was
1360
01:17:14,205 --> 01:17:15,402
to him,
though, initially.
1361
01:17:15,837 --> 01:17:17,844
This was right
around the time my wife
1362
01:17:17,879 --> 01:17:20,044
and I got married, and Steve
was supposed to drive up
1363
01:17:20,079 --> 01:17:22,475
from Michigan for our--
for our wedding.
1364
01:17:22,510 --> 01:17:25,951
And, uh, he just was a no-show,
and I didn't know why.
1365
01:17:30,056 --> 01:17:33,255
We lost contact after that,
and Steve stopped calling.
1366
01:17:33,290 --> 01:17:36,093
I think he-- I think
he stopped taking phone calls,
1367
01:17:36,128 --> 01:17:38,293
too, because of what--
of what happened to him.
1368
01:17:38,795 --> 01:17:40,735
[somber music playing]
1369
01:17:42,530 --> 01:17:45,773
That's when he went into his--
his period of seclusion.
1370
01:17:47,337 --> 01:17:48,908
Where he just, like,
dropped off of the,
1371
01:17:48,943 --> 01:17:50,404
uh, off of the map.
1372
01:17:54,245 --> 01:17:58,049
[Kathy speaking]
1373
01:18:05,289 --> 01:18:07,487
[Bud] You know, he just
sort of went off the radar.
1374
01:18:07,522 --> 01:18:10,292
Which is exactly
what the plan was.
1375
01:18:10,327 --> 01:18:13,130
[music fading]
1376
01:18:34,219 --> 01:18:35,383
[Steve]
I lost all my money
1377
01:18:35,418 --> 01:18:37,792
and went
$250,000 in debt.
1378
01:18:39,257 --> 01:18:41,422
You know, you fight for--
to pay your bills.
1379
01:18:42,158 --> 01:18:45,899
You damn near lose your house
so many times it's tiresome.
1380
01:18:45,934 --> 01:18:47,395
[melancholic music playing]
1381
01:18:51,566 --> 01:18:52,972
[grunting]
1382
01:18:54,075 --> 01:18:57,944
Josh had to slowly let go
of all four of the employees,
1383
01:18:57,979 --> 01:18:59,407
including my son-in-law.
1384
01:18:59,442 --> 01:19:01,112
And his last job...
1385
01:19:02,148 --> 01:19:03,477
was he fired himself.
1386
01:19:12,862 --> 01:19:15,830
[Kathy speaking]
1387
01:19:26,040 --> 01:19:28,502
[Steve] Yeah, I went through
some pretty bad years.
1388
01:19:28,537 --> 01:19:30,339
Financially and mentally.
1389
01:19:32,244 --> 01:19:33,914
But I think that...
1390
01:19:34,616 --> 01:19:37,511
the crash was
important to find me.
1391
01:19:43,354 --> 01:19:46,256
I had a decade
of what I call a primal scream.
1392
01:19:47,160 --> 01:19:48,588
Scott McWhinnie decided...
1393
01:19:49,290 --> 01:19:51,998
that he finally
had the way to kill me.
1394
01:19:52,433 --> 01:19:55,001
And he was right.
He did.
1395
01:19:57,269 --> 01:19:59,269
Okay.
1396
01:20:00,239 --> 01:20:01,403
[upbeat music playing]
1397
01:20:02,272 --> 01:20:05,506
After the crash,
the story was all I had left.
1398
01:20:06,008 --> 01:20:07,948
And that's when
I wrote my blog,
1399
01:20:07,983 --> 01:20:09,378
Pez Outlaw Diary.
1400
01:20:10,579 --> 01:20:12,381
You don't just
create a product.
1401
01:20:12,416 --> 01:20:13,481
You create a story.
1402
01:20:15,650 --> 01:20:18,024
When Steve
started writing his blogs...
1403
01:20:18,593 --> 01:20:21,489
nobody knew
any of that about him.
1404
01:20:23,196 --> 01:20:26,494
[Mike] Steve feels
that this is his legacy now.
1405
01:20:26,529 --> 01:20:28,232
He wants people
to know what happened.
1406
01:20:28,267 --> 01:20:30,069
He wants
the story to be out.
1407
01:20:30,104 --> 01:20:32,500
It validates it.
It says, "Yes, this happened."
1408
01:20:34,405 --> 01:20:36,911
[Steve] I think everyone
wants to be remembered in life.
1409
01:20:36,946 --> 01:20:38,473
They wanna make their mark.
1410
01:20:38,508 --> 01:20:40,475
And they wanna
get it right.
1411
01:20:40,510 --> 01:20:42,048
At least once.
1412
01:20:42,717 --> 01:20:46,118
Honest to God,
if it wasn't for Pez Outlaw,
1413
01:20:46,153 --> 01:20:48,120
nobody would remember
Scott McWhinnie.
1414
01:20:48,689 --> 01:20:50,991
He's a plot point
in my story.
1415
01:20:52,390 --> 01:20:55,391
If I can get this character
of Pez Outlaw...
1416
01:20:56,559 --> 01:20:58,262
deeply ingrained enough
1417
01:20:58,297 --> 01:21:00,132
into the history
of Pez, then...
1418
01:21:01,366 --> 01:21:02,695
that will be enough.
1419
01:21:02,730 --> 01:21:04,202
It's a good story.
1420
01:21:05,370 --> 01:21:07,040
It's a good story.
1421
01:21:07,075 --> 01:21:10,373
[cheerful music]
1422
01:21:10,408 --> 01:21:12,947
[people shouting joyfully]
1423
01:21:12,982 --> 01:21:15,642
[Tina] It was 20 years
before I saw Steve again.
1424
01:21:15,677 --> 01:21:18,348
And he swore he'd never go
to another convention.
1425
01:21:23,993 --> 01:21:25,421
I said, "Steve,
1426
01:21:25,456 --> 01:21:27,687
everybody wants to know
about you, Steve.
1427
01:21:27,722 --> 01:21:30,327
Everybody wants to hear
your story."
1428
01:21:33,695 --> 01:21:35,530
[Richie] Nowadays,
I think that, you know,
1429
01:21:35,565 --> 01:21:37,730
with all the new collectors
coming into the hobby,
1430
01:21:37,765 --> 01:21:40,073
they-- they don't know
of the backstory.
1431
01:21:40,108 --> 01:21:42,735
They don't know-- they weren't
there when it happened, and...
1432
01:21:42,770 --> 01:21:45,012
[Jim] For a guy like
me who wants to collect
1433
01:21:45,047 --> 01:21:48,147
everything Pez,
his history was--
1434
01:21:48,182 --> 01:21:51,051
was part of the influence
of-- of even why I collected.
1435
01:21:51,086 --> 01:21:52,547
[audience cheering]
1436
01:21:52,582 --> 01:21:54,186
[John] Steve Glew
was a featured person
1437
01:21:54,221 --> 01:21:55,682
at the convention,
1438
01:21:55,717 --> 01:21:57,453
and he hadn't been
heard from for years.
1439
01:21:57,488 --> 01:21:59,554
And I mean,
there was many, many,
1440
01:21:59,589 --> 01:22:01,325
many people that
wanted his signature.
1441
01:22:02,294 --> 01:22:05,758
He definitely
has a great cult following.
1442
01:22:05,793 --> 01:22:07,727
[Jim]
He-- he was just this...
1443
01:22:07,762 --> 01:22:09,432
I don't know,
Pez God.
1444
01:22:09,467 --> 01:22:10,972
[laughing] I mean, how--
how else do you say it?
1445
01:22:15,110 --> 01:22:18,573
[David] I think everyone
wants someone just to say,
1446
01:22:18,608 --> 01:22:20,311
"I see
what happened to you
1447
01:22:20,346 --> 01:22:22,280
and it-- and it matters."
1448
01:22:23,316 --> 01:22:25,019
It's-- it's a huge thing
1449
01:22:25,054 --> 01:22:26,746
to find out
that you're not alone.
1450
01:22:27,582 --> 01:22:30,354
[Steve] Everybody
wants their story told.
1451
01:22:30,389 --> 01:22:32,059
Everybody wants
to be remembered.
1452
01:22:33,656 --> 01:22:35,227
The story of Pez Outlaw
1453
01:22:35,262 --> 01:22:38,593
is an act out
of my mental issues.
1454
01:22:39,028 --> 01:22:42,366
Learning to cope
with anxiety, depression...
1455
01:22:43,336 --> 01:22:44,401
and...
1456
01:22:45,237 --> 01:22:48,306
the voices in your head,
so to speak.
1457
01:22:48,341 --> 01:22:50,671
And in some cases,
some of the things
1458
01:22:50,706 --> 01:22:53,443
that you have
are actually tools.
1459
01:22:53,478 --> 01:22:55,280
They are not burdens.
1460
01:22:56,049 --> 01:22:59,317
Honestly,
I think his story is good,
1461
01:22:59,352 --> 01:23:01,781
and it's fun,
but I think the human side
1462
01:23:01,816 --> 01:23:05,521
of Pez Outlaw
is way more valuable.
1463
01:23:08,163 --> 01:23:11,131
I can be who I am
and be miserable...
1464
01:23:11,727 --> 01:23:13,529
or I can be who I am...
1465
01:23:15,170 --> 01:23:17,038
and try
and find the good in it.
1466
01:23:19,207 --> 01:23:21,471
And if you're lucky,
like me,
1467
01:23:21,506 --> 01:23:23,242
you married your therapist.
1468
01:23:26,808 --> 01:23:28,742
[Kathy speaking]
1469
01:23:43,693 --> 01:23:45,198
[Steve] She's been
everything to me.
1470
01:23:45,794 --> 01:23:47,101
Everything.
1471
01:23:49,699 --> 01:23:51,402
[music fades]
1472
01:24:05,286 --> 01:24:07,253
[Johann]
I hope you have success.
1473
01:24:07,288 --> 01:24:09,651
I wish-- I wish you-- because
you're very sympathetic man.
1474
01:24:09,686 --> 01:24:12,324
But I think
you picked the wrong topic.
1475
01:24:12,359 --> 01:24:13,457
That's my impression.
1476
01:24:13,492 --> 01:24:14,821
Let's see...
1477
01:24:14,856 --> 01:24:16,394
if you--
if you also have to take out
1478
01:24:16,429 --> 01:24:17,857
a mortgage for your house.
1479
01:24:17,892 --> 01:24:20,431
Then I-- I-- I--
I keep right.
1480
01:24:20,933 --> 01:24:22,499
You picked the wrong person.
Anyway.
1481
01:24:23,502 --> 01:24:28,538
♪
1482
01:25:22,660 --> 01:25:27,696
♪
1483
01:26:22,720 --> 01:26:27,756
♪
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