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Jack, that's Jamie. 14 00:01:32,353 --> 00:01:33,672 Could we have a word in private? 15 00:01:33,673 --> 00:01:36,173 We know about Mum's condition. 16 00:01:36,393 --> 00:01:38,992 Well, perhaps we could go to my office. 17 00:01:38,993 --> 00:01:42,672 - Can we see her, doctor? - Yes, they're bringing her up now. 18 00:01:42,673 --> 00:01:45,352 You know, she's terrified of hospital. 19 00:01:45,353 --> 00:01:50,943 Look, Mr Bridges, your wife is very seriously ill. 20 00:01:51,553 --> 00:01:55,720 There's tremendous pressure on her heart and lungs. 21 00:01:55,793 --> 00:01:58,992 Couldn't she get a heart and lung transplant? 22 00:01:58,993 --> 00:02:02,152 Well, even if we found someone suitable as a donor, 23 00:02:02,153 --> 00:02:05,070 it wouldn't halt the deterioration. 24 00:02:05,393 --> 00:02:07,033 I'm sorry. 25 00:02:32,673 --> 00:02:35,632 Judge, a lady just wandered into court looking for justice. 26 00:02:35,633 --> 00:02:37,592 (CHUCKLES) That's novel. 27 00:02:37,593 --> 00:02:39,792 Maybe she should just write to Scotland Yard. 28 00:02:39,793 --> 00:02:42,712 - She wants to sue the Government. - Don't we all? 29 00:02:42,713 --> 00:02:47,312 Her husband, three children and seven grandchildren were killed. 30 00:02:47,313 --> 00:02:49,512 - How? - Well, she says they were poisoned 31 00:02:49,513 --> 00:02:53,952 by depleted uranium used by the British army in its shells. 32 00:02:53,953 --> 00:02:57,672 She was married to a former member of the Iraqi Government. 33 00:02:57,673 --> 00:02:59,313 Will you see her? 34 00:02:59,833 --> 00:03:02,000 I'm not inclined to, Coop. 35 00:03:02,193 --> 00:03:03,913 I said I'd ask you. 36 00:03:10,793 --> 00:03:14,293 It seems very well-documented, Mrs Hussein. 37 00:03:15,193 --> 00:03:18,032 What you really need is a lawyer, not a judge. 38 00:03:18,033 --> 00:03:20,450 All the lawyers turn me down. 39 00:03:21,993 --> 00:03:23,827 It'll be a hard fight. 40 00:03:24,153 --> 00:03:26,232 I read about you in the newspapers. 41 00:03:26,233 --> 00:03:27,263 Oh. 42 00:03:28,753 --> 00:03:30,503 You're my last hope. 43 00:03:32,953 --> 00:03:35,037 - Can I keep these? - Yes. 44 00:03:35,393 --> 00:03:37,393 I have plenty of copies. 45 00:03:50,393 --> 00:03:53,672 No Vera, Monty? I thought you were hearing a rape case? 46 00:03:53,673 --> 00:03:57,232 Hmm, it hasn't got interesting enough for her yet. 47 00:03:57,233 --> 00:03:58,873 Is that any good? 48 00:03:59,353 --> 00:04:00,783 It's not bad. 49 00:04:00,873 --> 00:04:04,957 Hmm, they've got better at the vegetarian options. 50 00:04:05,913 --> 00:04:09,272 Can you take this directions hearing in the phone masts case? 51 00:04:09,273 --> 00:04:10,623 Not really. 52 00:04:11,473 --> 00:04:14,472 Mrs Mills and my ex-wife are for each of the parties. 53 00:04:14,473 --> 00:04:17,352 Well, I see neither as an absolute impediment. 54 00:04:17,353 --> 00:04:18,703 They might. 55 00:04:19,313 --> 00:04:22,730 The claimant is likely to die if we delay. 56 00:04:23,833 --> 00:04:28,592 She alleges that the signal from these types of mast caused her illness. 57 00:04:28,593 --> 00:04:30,272 I've had the master of the rolls on, 58 00:04:30,273 --> 00:04:33,712 telling me how sensitive this whole matter is for the Government 59 00:04:33,713 --> 00:04:35,880 and the Solicitor General. 60 00:04:36,713 --> 00:04:39,072 - The Home Office has an interest. - How? 61 00:04:39,073 --> 00:04:40,872 The masts carry police communications. 62 00:04:40,873 --> 00:04:43,592 The Home Office is loath to abandon them. 63 00:04:43,593 --> 00:04:46,312 Won't it be the taxpayer who's the loser again if they do? 64 00:04:46,313 --> 00:04:49,147 And your old friend Tim Listfield. 65 00:04:49,833 --> 00:04:53,667 Well, it was his company that put up the masts. 66 00:04:57,753 --> 00:05:00,253 Would you take a look at this? 67 00:05:00,633 --> 00:05:03,752 An Iraqi widow wants to sue the Government 68 00:05:03,753 --> 00:05:06,312 over the use of depleted uranium in shells. 69 00:05:06,313 --> 00:05:07,792 Well, that'll waste everyone's time. 70 00:05:07,793 --> 00:05:09,383 Read the papers. 71 00:05:09,673 --> 00:05:15,007 You take the directions hearing, I'll look at the widow's papers. 72 00:05:16,433 --> 00:05:19,517 - My lord? - I'll have the homity pie. 73 00:05:21,713 --> 00:05:24,352 Is this at the instigation of the Home Office, Ian? 74 00:05:24,353 --> 00:05:30,353 The Home Secretary wouldn't presume, considering who's for the defendant. 75 00:05:31,353 --> 00:05:35,512 No, the Attorney expressed a concern as Head of the Bar. 76 00:05:35,513 --> 00:05:38,032 He need have no concern. Please. 77 00:05:38,033 --> 00:05:39,353 Thank you. 78 00:05:40,073 --> 00:05:42,407 It's how it will look, John. 79 00:05:43,193 --> 00:05:45,832 What's really behind this move, Ian? 80 00:05:45,833 --> 00:05:47,503 Frankly, money. 81 00:05:48,273 --> 00:05:52,552 The Home Office's entire Safe Communications System is at stake. 82 00:05:52,553 --> 00:05:54,152 And if they've got it wrong and the claimant 83 00:05:54,153 --> 00:05:57,432 really has developed Motor Neurone Disease? 84 00:05:57,433 --> 00:06:01,767 We might have to consider her a casualty of progress. 85 00:06:03,873 --> 00:06:06,272 Why couldn't you have grabbed this phone mast hearing? 86 00:06:06,273 --> 00:06:08,552 - Not a safe pair of hands. - Deed shouldn't be hearing it 87 00:06:08,553 --> 00:06:11,392 with Mrs Mills and Mrs Channing on opposite sides. 88 00:06:11,393 --> 00:06:15,977 - They're both past items. - That's not what I've heard. 89 00:06:16,593 --> 00:06:18,677 Do you have good sources? 90 00:06:19,793 --> 00:06:21,543 None as good as you. 91 00:06:24,033 --> 00:06:25,383 Enough gossip. 92 00:06:25,473 --> 00:06:31,473 I want to take your mind on something the Lord Chief Justice is floating. 93 00:06:34,513 --> 00:06:36,943 John, do you have a moment? 94 00:06:37,033 --> 00:06:39,792 Yeah, sure, I'm reading for a case. 95 00:06:39,793 --> 00:06:42,377 - How's it looking? - Difficult. 96 00:06:44,633 --> 00:06:47,752 - Are you sitting down here? - Not yet. 97 00:06:47,753 --> 00:06:50,087 Are you seeing your ex-wife? 98 00:06:51,473 --> 00:06:56,072 Well, there was a recent case in which I granted her injunctive relief. 99 00:06:56,073 --> 00:06:57,712 Don't be clever, John. 100 00:06:57,713 --> 00:07:00,630 I thought you weren't into emotion. 101 00:07:02,153 --> 00:07:05,072 Well, as attractive as she is, we were never compatible, 102 00:07:05,073 --> 00:07:07,392 it took us a while to find that out. 103 00:07:07,393 --> 00:07:08,952 She's before you in the phone mast case. 104 00:07:08,953 --> 00:07:10,703 Along with Jo Mills. 105 00:07:11,473 --> 00:07:15,103 There's a move not to let you hear it. 106 00:07:15,953 --> 00:07:17,273 Thank you. 107 00:07:18,393 --> 00:07:20,592 The Chief wondered if you'd like to be our representative 108 00:07:20,593 --> 00:07:23,927 at one of The Hague War Crimes Tribunals. 109 00:07:24,793 --> 00:07:26,352 Is that going to keep me out of trouble? 110 00:07:26,353 --> 00:07:30,853 No. I could pop over at weekends or you could pop back. 111 00:07:33,793 --> 00:07:36,112 Why doesn't the Chief ask me himself? 112 00:07:36,113 --> 00:07:40,952 It's rather like the honours list. He'd sooner not be openly turned down. 113 00:07:40,953 --> 00:07:43,370 He knows that we're friendly. 114 00:07:44,273 --> 00:07:46,440 Does he know how friendly? 115 00:07:47,913 --> 00:07:51,913 If he did, he wouldn't be so friendly towards me. 116 00:07:53,193 --> 00:07:57,432 It's an offer that most High Court judges would give their ears for. 117 00:07:57,433 --> 00:07:59,352 Then what's he asking me for, then? 118 00:07:59,353 --> 00:08:03,192 Oh, you have a reputation for fairness, you strive to be just, 119 00:08:03,193 --> 00:08:07,512 you're outspoken in your opinions on what you think is wrong with society. 120 00:08:07,513 --> 00:08:09,872 Is that a requirement for the job in The Hague? 121 00:08:09,873 --> 00:08:11,463 I would think not. 122 00:08:11,553 --> 00:08:14,472 On the other hand, the Chief may want to see 123 00:08:14,473 --> 00:08:19,472 some of those stuffed shirts out there brought down a peg or two. 124 00:08:19,473 --> 00:08:20,992 Is it possible he's working with the Home Office 125 00:08:20,993 --> 00:08:23,152 to get me off this phone mast case? 126 00:08:23,153 --> 00:08:25,152 Well, that begs the question. 127 00:08:25,153 --> 00:08:28,112 Who might they get who would serve their purposes better? 128 00:08:28,113 --> 00:08:30,512 Well, I'm not going to give them the opportunity, Joe. 129 00:08:30,513 --> 00:08:32,233 Oh, yeah? 130 00:08:32,713 --> 00:08:33,713 Bye. 131 00:08:34,673 --> 00:08:35,743 Bye. 132 00:08:41,553 --> 00:08:45,863 Hello there. Hello, Mimi. 133 00:08:47,233 --> 00:08:49,392 Coop, ask Mrs Mills to spare me 134 00:08:49,393 --> 00:08:51,752 a few moments at the end of the day, would you, please? 135 00:08:51,753 --> 00:08:55,672 - Just Mrs Mills, Judge? - I'll see Mrs Channing separately. 136 00:08:55,673 --> 00:08:56,783 Okay. 137 00:09:02,513 --> 00:09:07,633 Judge, Mrs Mills didn't feel it appropriate to meet you. 138 00:09:07,713 --> 00:09:08,983 Not ever? 139 00:09:09,673 --> 00:09:11,183 She didn't say. 140 00:09:17,473 --> 00:09:19,640 Oh, do me a favour, Brian. 141 00:09:19,713 --> 00:09:21,552 Anything at all for you, Rita, I've got the kettle on. 142 00:09:21,553 --> 00:09:24,672 No, I need somebody to look after Mimi. The Judge has disappeared. 143 00:09:24,673 --> 00:09:27,552 - What, into thin air? - I'm assuming... 144 00:09:27,553 --> 00:09:30,272 It's difficult to keep up with him these days. 145 00:09:30,273 --> 00:09:32,940 Perhaps you shouldn't try, Rita. 146 00:09:33,713 --> 00:09:35,832 Well, I suppose I could look after her. 147 00:09:35,833 --> 00:09:38,832 It's just I'm not very good with animals. Dogs make me nervous. 148 00:09:38,833 --> 00:09:42,552 What, tiny little Mimi? It's only for a short while. 149 00:09:42,553 --> 00:09:45,672 She won't bite, Brian, she's vegetarian. 150 00:09:45,673 --> 00:09:47,983 Yeah, so is the Judge. 151 00:09:50,313 --> 00:09:51,313 Back. 152 00:09:52,393 --> 00:09:53,793 Nice doggie. 153 00:09:54,713 --> 00:09:57,183 - (KNOCKING ON DOOR) - Here. 154 00:09:57,273 --> 00:09:58,832 Sir John Deed is here, miss. 155 00:09:58,833 --> 00:10:00,712 Oh. Tell him I've gone. 156 00:10:00,713 --> 00:10:03,623 Uh... The thing is, he's here. 157 00:10:03,713 --> 00:10:06,672 No, I'm shortly to appear before him. 158 00:10:06,673 --> 00:10:09,007 That's what he's here about. 159 00:10:09,993 --> 00:10:12,712 - Thank you, Tony. - I'll organise you some tea. 160 00:10:12,713 --> 00:10:16,630 It's not that sort of occasion, thank you, Tony. 161 00:10:21,673 --> 00:10:26,103 - What? - Nothing. Nothing. 162 00:10:27,473 --> 00:10:30,752 I need to take your view about my hearing this case. 163 00:10:30,753 --> 00:10:35,072 - Did you ask to hear it? - No, Monty Everard asked me to. 164 00:10:35,073 --> 00:10:37,073 Does George have a view? 165 00:10:37,553 --> 00:10:39,720 I'm talking to both sides. 166 00:10:39,873 --> 00:10:42,112 Then can we rely on your impartiality? 167 00:10:42,113 --> 00:10:43,712 Can you rely on anybody for that? 168 00:10:43,713 --> 00:10:46,297 It's especially important here. 169 00:10:47,153 --> 00:10:50,653 Marc and I have set a date for our wedding. 170 00:10:51,153 --> 00:10:53,983 I see. When? 171 00:10:54,073 --> 00:10:56,072 During the boys' half-term. 172 00:10:56,073 --> 00:10:57,423 Oh, well. 173 00:10:59,353 --> 00:11:01,632 That seems indecently hasty. 174 00:11:01,633 --> 00:11:03,303 It's what we want. 175 00:11:07,233 --> 00:11:09,592 Is your case going to be ready? 176 00:11:09,593 --> 00:11:12,112 Well, it's now or never for this claimant, 177 00:11:12,113 --> 00:11:14,583 - she's so very ill. - Hmm. 178 00:11:17,873 --> 00:11:19,353 You look good. 179 00:11:25,633 --> 00:11:28,383 Aren't you going to wish me well? 180 00:11:28,913 --> 00:11:33,112 I'm not sure that I want to see you happily married. 181 00:11:33,113 --> 00:11:35,263 My mind is made up. 182 00:11:38,433 --> 00:11:40,350 Well, see you in court. 183 00:11:50,713 --> 00:11:54,072 Well, at least in your current mood you won't favour Jo. 184 00:11:54,073 --> 00:11:58,073 - George, I never did that. - It looked that way. 185 00:11:58,393 --> 00:12:02,792 And are you equally concerned that I might be prejudiced towards her? 186 00:12:02,793 --> 00:12:05,952 There's an awful lot riding on this case for the Government. 187 00:12:05,953 --> 00:12:08,392 George, you shouldn't tell me that. 188 00:12:08,393 --> 00:12:10,227 As if you didn't know. 189 00:12:13,313 --> 00:12:16,952 Was it Neil who got the Chief to offer me the War Crimes job? 190 00:12:16,953 --> 00:12:22,743 Well, very possibly. It's not the most sought-after judicial office. 191 00:12:25,233 --> 00:12:27,733 Would you like to have dinner? 192 00:12:27,953 --> 00:12:30,703 With a little more notice, maybe. 193 00:12:32,553 --> 00:12:35,072 I'm meeting Neil at the Commons. 194 00:12:35,073 --> 00:12:36,393 All right. 195 00:12:47,353 --> 00:12:51,872 This Iraqi's widow has something, John, but she's going about it the wrong way. 196 00:12:51,873 --> 00:12:53,192 How should she go about it? 197 00:12:53,193 --> 00:12:59,112 Judicial review of the MOD's refusal to order an inquiry into the use of DU. 198 00:12:59,113 --> 00:13:00,792 I mean, she'll get nowhere trying to claim 199 00:13:00,793 --> 00:13:02,992 that her family died as a direct result 200 00:13:02,993 --> 00:13:06,152 of our troops using depleted uranium in their tank shells. 201 00:13:06,153 --> 00:13:08,352 Is there a case under the 1998 Act? 202 00:13:08,353 --> 00:13:12,312 The Lord Justice Rix and Mr Justice Forbes made that quite clear. 203 00:13:12,313 --> 00:13:14,392 - Hmm. - The deaths of relatives 204 00:13:14,393 --> 00:13:19,072 of the claimants in Iraq at the time when UK was an occupying power 205 00:13:19,073 --> 00:13:22,392 did not fall within the scope of the European Convention. 206 00:13:22,393 --> 00:13:24,872 No, she should seek judicial review, john, it's clear-cut. 207 00:13:24,873 --> 00:13:26,672 Well, why don't you hear it? You've got a ticket. 208 00:13:26,673 --> 00:13:28,257 I'm not sure I can. 209 00:13:28,313 --> 00:13:32,980 She'll need a decent lawyer. Would Mrs Mills run with it? 210 00:13:33,673 --> 00:13:36,112 She's not very accommodating to me at present. 211 00:13:36,113 --> 00:13:39,613 Well, she seems made for it. Yep, I'm late. 212 00:13:41,393 --> 00:13:43,072 Why, I've never seen him so animated. 213 00:13:43,073 --> 00:13:45,907 Yes, I think we've got him hooked. 214 00:13:48,593 --> 00:13:50,183 USHER: All rise. 215 00:13:59,993 --> 00:14:01,423 Mrs Channing. 216 00:14:01,873 --> 00:14:05,032 There is no good legal foundation for this. 217 00:14:05,033 --> 00:14:08,152 Mrs Bridges' claim that she fell to Motor Neurone Disease 218 00:14:08,153 --> 00:14:11,512 as a result of a mobile phone mast on a block of flats 219 00:14:11,513 --> 00:14:15,752 owned by Rotherwas Council is without evidential foundation. 220 00:14:15,753 --> 00:14:18,152 The defence is based on the Court of Appeal's ruling 221 00:14:18,153 --> 00:14:22,872 that on the balance of probabilities, there is no real risk from phone masts. 222 00:14:22,873 --> 00:14:25,632 Instead, there is only a perceived risk. 223 00:14:25,633 --> 00:14:28,672 And as such, there is no reason for stopping masts. 224 00:14:28,673 --> 00:14:31,183 T-Mobile UK Ltd and others 225 00:14:31,273 --> 00:14:33,792 and the Secretary of State and Harrogate Borough Council, 226 00:14:33,793 --> 00:14:36,752 decided by the Court of Appeal, 2004. 227 00:14:36,753 --> 00:14:41,912 Yes, I am familiar with the ruling. Mrs Channing, thank you. Mrs Mills? 228 00:14:41,913 --> 00:14:45,072 The type of mast referred to in the case my learned friend cited 229 00:14:45,073 --> 00:14:47,552 are very different from the mast on top of the block 230 00:14:47,553 --> 00:14:50,053 where Mr and Mrs Bridges live. 231 00:14:50,153 --> 00:14:53,512 This is a TETRA mast, which emits pulsed waves 232 00:14:53,513 --> 00:14:57,663 at 17.6 megahertz in phases of four. 233 00:14:57,753 --> 00:14:59,352 These types of masts are used by the police 234 00:14:59,353 --> 00:15:01,792 for their internal communications. 235 00:15:01,793 --> 00:15:07,903 17.6 megahertz is very close to the 16 megahertz brainwaves in humans, 236 00:15:07,993 --> 00:15:10,912 and as such, cause brain dysfunction. 237 00:15:10,913 --> 00:15:14,792 One such dysfunction is the depletion of calcium in the brain, 238 00:15:14,793 --> 00:15:19,627 a significant contributory factor in Motor Neurone Disease. 239 00:15:19,753 --> 00:15:21,792 Mrs Bridges has developed this illness 240 00:15:21,793 --> 00:15:25,392 since the mast was erected on top of their flat. 241 00:15:25,393 --> 00:15:29,552 Five other people, from a total of 198 in the block, 242 00:15:29,553 --> 00:15:32,632 have also developed Motor Neurone Disease. 243 00:15:32,633 --> 00:15:36,392 Three people, including Mr Bridges, have developed stomach cancer, 244 00:15:36,393 --> 00:15:39,033 whilst two have leukaemia. 245 00:15:39,913 --> 00:15:46,032 Statistically, one person in 100,000 is likely to develop any of these diseases. 246 00:15:46,033 --> 00:15:48,032 We would ask that you set this down for a full hearing 247 00:15:48,033 --> 00:15:50,192 at the earliest possible date. 248 00:15:50,193 --> 00:15:51,983 Mrs Channing. 249 00:15:53,433 --> 00:15:58,933 According to Disraeli, there are lies, damned lies, and statistics. 250 00:15:59,033 --> 00:16:04,352 The statistics my learned friend has presented do not form a case. 251 00:16:04,353 --> 00:16:07,152 The head of the Institute of Scientific Research 252 00:16:07,153 --> 00:16:11,232 said recently that there is no link between phone masts and ill health 253 00:16:11,233 --> 00:16:14,472 other than neurosis from perceived risk. 254 00:16:14,473 --> 00:16:16,672 Their lordship's ruling in the Court of Appeal was that 255 00:16:16,673 --> 00:16:18,512 we cannot halt progress simply because 256 00:16:18,513 --> 00:16:21,930 we believe these things are making us ill. 257 00:16:22,273 --> 00:16:23,392 Thank you, Mrs Channing. 258 00:16:23,393 --> 00:16:26,712 I don't think we could infer quite such a sweeping conclusion 259 00:16:26,713 --> 00:16:28,872 from the Court of Appeal's decision. 260 00:16:28,873 --> 00:16:32,032 Technology and social knowledge of it is very developmental 261 00:16:32,033 --> 00:16:34,072 and so should the law be. 262 00:16:34,073 --> 00:16:38,072 The Court of Appeal did not freeze-dry this important part of common law. 263 00:16:38,073 --> 00:16:40,272 I am going to set this down for a hearing. Mr Harrison? 264 00:16:40,273 --> 00:16:45,352 Yes, my lord. The earliest date would be the 29th, I'm afraid. 265 00:16:45,353 --> 00:16:48,992 Hmm, is there nothing sooner? How frail is Mrs Bridges' health? 266 00:16:48,993 --> 00:16:52,272 Her most recent medical prognosis. The matter is very urgent. 267 00:16:52,273 --> 00:16:54,032 - All right. Mr Harrison? - You could fit it 268 00:16:54,033 --> 00:16:55,432 at the beginning of next week, my lord. 269 00:16:55,433 --> 00:16:56,512 - Monday? - Hmm. 270 00:16:56,513 --> 00:16:58,632 All right, Monday? Monday it is. 271 00:16:58,633 --> 00:17:01,632 But, my lord, that hardly gives us time enough to assemble our witnesses. 272 00:17:01,633 --> 00:17:05,472 You must have known of this possibility, Mrs Channing. Do your best. 273 00:17:05,473 --> 00:17:06,953 10:00, Monday. 274 00:17:07,833 --> 00:17:09,423 USHER: All rise. 275 00:17:15,633 --> 00:17:18,952 Ask Mrs Mills to join me in chambers, would you, Coop? 276 00:17:18,953 --> 00:17:20,787 Just Mrs Mills, Judge? 277 00:17:21,313 --> 00:17:26,980 Mrs Channing's not going to be interested in the Iraqi widow, is she? 278 00:17:30,273 --> 00:17:32,672 Mrs Mills, the Judge wants a word. 279 00:17:32,673 --> 00:17:36,072 - Is it a summons or a request? - Oh, it's a request. 280 00:17:36,073 --> 00:17:38,792 Well, perhaps he's going to offer you something to win you back. 281 00:17:38,793 --> 00:17:42,627 George, he has more chance of winning you back. 282 00:17:48,033 --> 00:17:50,283 - (KNOCKING ON DOOR) - Yeah. 283 00:17:50,673 --> 00:17:52,672 - Mrs Mills, Judge. - Do you want some tea? 284 00:17:52,673 --> 00:17:54,432 Got a lot of work to get ready before Monday. 285 00:17:54,433 --> 00:17:55,863 Thanks, Coop. 286 00:17:56,993 --> 00:18:00,143 How's Michael? Mimi misses him. 287 00:18:01,033 --> 00:18:02,872 He's involved in so many activities at school, 288 00:18:02,873 --> 00:18:05,272 getting home at the weekend seems like a distraction. 289 00:18:05,273 --> 00:18:07,523 Doesn't he like going home? 290 00:18:08,633 --> 00:18:10,633 What's this about, John? 291 00:18:12,233 --> 00:18:15,223 Have you heard from Mrs Hussein, 292 00:18:15,313 --> 00:18:17,392 the widow of a former minister in the Iraqi Government? 293 00:18:17,393 --> 00:18:18,472 Should I have? 294 00:18:18,473 --> 00:18:20,992 She's written to prominent lawyers looking for abstract justice. 295 00:18:20,993 --> 00:18:22,752 She wants to sue the Government 296 00:18:22,753 --> 00:18:26,920 over the use of depleted uranium in shells in Iraq. 297 00:18:27,153 --> 00:18:30,912 - You're an obvious choice. - Well, clearly not obvious enough. 298 00:18:30,913 --> 00:18:32,792 Come on. You're hardly an unknown. 299 00:18:32,793 --> 00:18:37,032 Then how come I'm not the youngest High Court judge on the bench? 300 00:18:37,033 --> 00:18:40,152 Perhaps I chose the wrong person to sleep with. 301 00:18:40,153 --> 00:18:41,792 But you were never very good at choosing. 302 00:18:41,793 --> 00:18:43,192 Well, who pursued me when I was his pupil, 303 00:18:43,193 --> 00:18:45,352 even when my husband was dying? 304 00:18:45,353 --> 00:18:48,032 Well, I feel guilty about that, but I don't regret it. 305 00:18:48,033 --> 00:18:50,232 No, you said regret was a waste of life. 306 00:18:50,233 --> 00:18:55,233 I do regret how I treated you. I wish I could put that right. 307 00:18:57,193 --> 00:18:58,512 I am still in love with you. 308 00:18:58,513 --> 00:19:02,072 No, John, you're pursuing something you can no longer have, 309 00:19:02,073 --> 00:19:05,072 whilst pursuing someone you obviously can. 310 00:19:05,073 --> 00:19:06,183 Ouch. 311 00:19:09,633 --> 00:19:15,263 Jo, I will carry on loving you no matter what you do, or I do. 312 00:19:22,353 --> 00:19:25,392 Don't, John, please. It's not just Marc I have to think about, 313 00:19:25,393 --> 00:19:26,512 there's Michael, too. 314 00:19:26,513 --> 00:19:28,352 We could start again. We could do it better. 315 00:19:28,353 --> 00:19:29,623 No, John. 316 00:19:30,913 --> 00:19:34,663 It's too late. I am marrying Michael's father. 317 00:19:36,473 --> 00:19:38,112 Would you read Mrs Hussein's file? 318 00:19:38,113 --> 00:19:41,530 - I haven't got time. I need a life. - Jo. 319 00:19:42,833 --> 00:19:44,503 This is your life. 320 00:19:54,513 --> 00:19:56,912 So will your neurosurgeon actually give evidence for us? 321 00:19:56,913 --> 00:19:58,032 Yeah, I'm sure he will. 322 00:19:58,033 --> 00:20:01,033 Well, I need all the help I can get. 323 00:20:01,113 --> 00:20:04,552 It's going to be hard to prove phone masts cause Motor Neurone Disease. 324 00:20:04,553 --> 00:20:07,312 - Did Mr Mansridge tell you that? - No, of course not. 325 00:20:07,313 --> 00:20:09,432 Why... Why are you putting these plates out? 326 00:20:09,433 --> 00:20:10,592 Oh, did you want to eat out? 327 00:20:10,593 --> 00:20:12,632 No, I don't want this china used! 328 00:20:12,633 --> 00:20:13,752 Why? Is there something wrong with them? 329 00:20:13,753 --> 00:20:17,103 Jo! You constantly question what I ask. 330 00:20:17,193 --> 00:20:19,792 It's like I'm being cross-examined by you the whole time. 331 00:20:19,793 --> 00:20:22,792 - No, I wasn't doing that. - I asked you not to use them. 332 00:20:22,793 --> 00:20:26,943 - Marc, what's wrong? - It's just the two of us. 333 00:20:27,033 --> 00:20:28,312 Aren't the boys home tonight? 334 00:20:28,313 --> 00:20:32,392 No, they had to do something at school. I did tell you. 335 00:20:32,393 --> 00:20:35,623 We lead such busy lives. 336 00:20:37,553 --> 00:20:40,137 What's wrong? You are so tense. 337 00:20:40,553 --> 00:20:43,720 - Nothing. - Is it something I've done? 338 00:20:44,273 --> 00:20:45,303 No. 339 00:20:47,393 --> 00:20:49,303 (EXHALES) I may... 340 00:20:51,113 --> 00:20:52,792 I may have to go back to South Africa, 341 00:20:52,793 --> 00:20:56,432 answer questions about some procedures I helped pioneer. 342 00:20:56,433 --> 00:20:58,433 What sort of procedures? 343 00:21:02,313 --> 00:21:03,663 Can I help? 344 00:21:05,153 --> 00:21:09,237 No, it's nothing, really, it's just stupid people. 345 00:21:11,753 --> 00:21:12,903 Sorry. 346 00:21:19,513 --> 00:21:25,680 Uh, justice may demand that Mrs Hussein gets a hearing in an English court, 347 00:21:26,193 --> 00:21:29,872 which she has no hope in hell of doing so, not even with you pushing it. 348 00:21:29,873 --> 00:21:32,152 It won't stop me trying, Joe. 349 00:21:32,153 --> 00:21:36,272 Yeah, but the cost to the Government, should she win, would be colossal. 350 00:21:36,273 --> 00:21:37,992 And what's that got to do with justice? 351 00:21:37,993 --> 00:21:39,783 Well, when hasn't it? 352 00:21:40,833 --> 00:21:43,872 If the use of depleted uranium is as extensive as she claims, 353 00:21:43,873 --> 00:21:46,632 then the whole area would be contaminated. 354 00:21:46,633 --> 00:21:52,712 Those radioactive particles have a half life of four and a half billion years. 355 00:21:52,713 --> 00:21:56,552 Well, the present government expects to be in office that long. 356 00:21:56,553 --> 00:21:59,672 Yeah, well, there is favourable jurisprudence here. 357 00:21:59,673 --> 00:22:02,183 Uh, the Rachel Lubbe case. 358 00:22:02,273 --> 00:22:04,952 The defendant in that case controlled, from England, 359 00:22:04,953 --> 00:22:09,072 the actions of those running the asbestos mines in South Africa. 360 00:22:09,073 --> 00:22:12,863 If Mrs Hussein can prove, as Mrs Lubbe did, 361 00:22:12,953 --> 00:22:17,792 that substantial justice would not be done in the local jurisdiction, 362 00:22:17,793 --> 00:22:22,503 then England can be ruled the forum conveniens. 363 00:22:23,673 --> 00:22:28,343 But it'd be a long, hard legal wrangle, John. 364 00:22:28,433 --> 00:22:31,850 - It might be worth trying, though. - Yes. 365 00:22:37,753 --> 00:22:39,543 - Jo? - Hmm? 366 00:22:39,633 --> 00:22:43,050 - It's gone 2:00. - Yeah, I'm almost done. 367 00:22:43,833 --> 00:22:46,872 You can't push yourself like this the whole time. 368 00:22:46,873 --> 00:22:49,192 This Iraqi woman lost her entire family. 369 00:22:49,193 --> 00:22:50,992 She wants the British use of depleted uranium 370 00:22:50,993 --> 00:22:53,392 to be publicly reviewed in court. 371 00:22:53,393 --> 00:22:55,977 Well, it won't bring them back. 372 00:22:56,713 --> 00:22:57,743 No. 373 00:22:58,353 --> 00:23:03,583 Darling, I'm always concerned for how this will exhaust you. 374 00:23:04,193 --> 00:23:08,632 Why don't you think about yourself more, maybe take on less work? 375 00:23:08,633 --> 00:23:11,800 Especially with our wedding coming up. 376 00:23:11,913 --> 00:23:15,103 Yes, I will. I promise you. 377 00:23:24,793 --> 00:23:28,392 CHARLIE: Unreal. Breakfast at 9:00 on a Saturday. 378 00:23:28,393 --> 00:23:31,672 You never used to get out of bed before midday when you were a teenager. Thanks. 379 00:23:31,673 --> 00:23:33,153 I still don't. 380 00:23:37,593 --> 00:23:40,432 How's that stalking barrister of yours? 381 00:23:40,433 --> 00:23:41,753 He's okay. 382 00:23:42,833 --> 00:23:47,632 I don't want a serious relationship right now. He'd be competition. 383 00:23:47,633 --> 00:23:50,883 How's it going with you and dame Morag? 384 00:23:51,593 --> 00:23:55,792 Nothing's gonna change with you and Jo, Dad, until you change. 385 00:23:55,793 --> 00:23:58,383 I remain eternally optimistic. 386 00:23:58,473 --> 00:23:59,953 On what basis? 387 00:24:02,473 --> 00:24:05,557 You going to do this research for me? 388 00:24:06,193 --> 00:24:11,112 Why not? I've only got three cases I'm running and no social life. 389 00:24:11,113 --> 00:24:14,232 - You're too conscientious. - How can you not be, Dad? 390 00:24:14,233 --> 00:24:15,672 Well, most barristers recognise 391 00:24:15,673 --> 00:24:18,432 that 85% of their clients who get to court are guilty. 392 00:24:18,433 --> 00:24:19,752 - You didn't. - Yeah, well, 393 00:24:19,753 --> 00:24:22,432 I didn't have a social life, either. 394 00:24:22,433 --> 00:24:25,912 And here I am agreeing to help a potential litigant access to justice 395 00:24:25,913 --> 00:24:28,663 like there's a shortage of cases. 396 00:24:28,713 --> 00:24:30,232 I get it from you, then. 397 00:24:30,233 --> 00:24:32,392 Well, you could have been like your mum. 398 00:24:32,393 --> 00:24:36,273 Well thought of, well placed, well paid. 399 00:24:36,353 --> 00:24:39,312 Yeah, but she's not happy, though, is she? 400 00:24:39,313 --> 00:24:43,730 I'd be surprised if she was, living with a politician. 401 00:24:43,953 --> 00:24:45,787 I'll do your research. 402 00:24:45,873 --> 00:24:51,040 On the internet, in the small hours, instead of going clubbing. 403 00:24:58,233 --> 00:25:00,423 - Michael? - Yeah? 404 00:25:00,513 --> 00:25:02,352 That's pretty impressive. 405 00:25:02,353 --> 00:25:04,632 Could you live in one of those? 406 00:25:04,633 --> 00:25:05,743 Yeah. 407 00:25:07,233 --> 00:25:09,317 Are you glad you're back? 408 00:25:09,393 --> 00:25:13,072 School's much better. England seems very crowded. 409 00:25:13,073 --> 00:25:14,312 Huh, it's gonna get worse. 410 00:25:14,313 --> 00:25:16,992 The Government wants to build another four million houses. 411 00:25:16,993 --> 00:25:22,072 They can build them in South Africa. There's loads of room there. 412 00:25:22,073 --> 00:25:25,112 Michael, do your brothers ever talk about their mother? 413 00:25:25,113 --> 00:25:27,363 No, they're not allowed to. 414 00:25:27,673 --> 00:25:30,590 - Why not? - She did leave them, Jo. 415 00:25:30,753 --> 00:25:34,263 Hmm. Do they miss her? 416 00:25:34,353 --> 00:25:36,603 Best not to talk about her. 417 00:25:41,833 --> 00:25:44,752 - How serious are you at Scrabble? - Well, we can beat Dad. 418 00:25:44,753 --> 00:25:47,553 So can I. We mustn't go in there. 419 00:25:47,633 --> 00:25:50,872 - Why? It's the sitting room. - Dad doesn't like us in his room. 420 00:25:50,873 --> 00:25:54,152 - Well, we'll be very tidy. - He doesn't want us to. 421 00:25:54,153 --> 00:25:59,392 He says there has to be one room in the house that doesn't get messed up. 422 00:25:59,393 --> 00:26:02,227 I'll take responsibility. Come on. 423 00:26:10,313 --> 00:26:11,743 Come on, you. 424 00:26:16,673 --> 00:26:18,592 Is the Lord Chancellor joining us? 425 00:26:18,593 --> 00:26:22,232 He hopes to shortly, along with the Lord Chief Justice. 426 00:26:22,233 --> 00:26:25,632 Well, the Chief is really the only person who can remove Deed. 427 00:26:25,633 --> 00:26:27,550 From this current case? 428 00:26:27,593 --> 00:26:30,072 You know he can't do that, Home Secretary. 429 00:26:30,073 --> 00:26:34,232 The Home Office has spent 2.6 billion on this phone system. 430 00:26:34,233 --> 00:26:37,752 We hope to recoup some of this by selling it to police forces abroad. 431 00:26:37,753 --> 00:26:42,072 If there's a huge negative impact from this case, we won't be able to. 432 00:26:42,073 --> 00:26:44,912 Well, worse still, Ian, if the system is flawed, it will have to be removed. 433 00:26:44,913 --> 00:26:46,913 The system isn't flawed. 434 00:26:47,633 --> 00:26:49,832 Yeah, well, there are questions. 435 00:26:49,833 --> 00:26:53,632 No, it's in court because of the perversity of our judges. 436 00:26:53,633 --> 00:26:56,050 The case has some merit, sir. 437 00:26:56,113 --> 00:26:58,352 Isn't this meeting to ensure it hasn't? 438 00:26:58,353 --> 00:27:02,192 If you pressure Deed, Percy, he does the opposite to what you want. 439 00:27:02,193 --> 00:27:05,032 I thought Deed was in a compromised position 440 00:27:05,033 --> 00:27:07,992 for failing to report his daughter to the Bar Council. 441 00:27:07,993 --> 00:27:10,712 It's a minor peccadillo, Home Secretary. 442 00:27:10,713 --> 00:27:12,033 Oh, is it? 443 00:27:14,953 --> 00:27:19,552 We should discuss Mr Justice Deed's long and medium-term future, sir. 444 00:27:19,553 --> 00:27:22,792 Neither of which helps the Home Office over its current predicament. 445 00:27:22,793 --> 00:27:24,832 Well, it might for future crises, Percy. 446 00:27:24,833 --> 00:27:29,083 What we need is for the courts to function smoothly. 447 00:27:29,913 --> 00:27:31,392 Then the proposal is? 448 00:27:31,393 --> 00:27:34,032 In the medium term, sir, it might be very convenient 449 00:27:34,033 --> 00:27:38,392 if by chance Sir John were to be called for jury service. 450 00:27:38,393 --> 00:27:40,227 Is this quite serious? 451 00:27:40,953 --> 00:27:43,472 I mean, that would only tie him up for a fortnight. 452 00:27:43,473 --> 00:27:46,890 And isn't selection supposed to be random? 453 00:27:47,193 --> 00:27:48,432 Yes, it is, sir. 454 00:27:48,433 --> 00:27:54,850 The right sort of trial, however, could last a lot, lot longer than two weeks. 455 00:27:55,553 --> 00:27:56,720 And long-term? 456 00:27:56,753 --> 00:27:58,632 Send him off to The Hague to represent our side 457 00:27:58,633 --> 00:28:00,672 at one of the War Crimes Tribunals. 458 00:28:00,673 --> 00:28:03,352 Where he causes as many problems. 459 00:28:03,353 --> 00:28:05,312 Then they'd be for the Foreign Office to deal with. 460 00:28:05,313 --> 00:28:07,432 My problem is current, Ian. 461 00:28:07,433 --> 00:28:10,432 The master of the rolls feels Mr Justice Deed must be bound 462 00:28:10,433 --> 00:28:13,832 by the Appeal Court's ruling in the previous phone masts case. 463 00:28:13,833 --> 00:28:17,632 Ah, if Deed was constrained by rules and judicial precedence, 464 00:28:17,633 --> 00:28:20,383 I'd feel encouraged, Mr James. 465 00:28:21,193 --> 00:28:22,863 He never has been. 466 00:28:22,953 --> 00:28:25,672 JAMES: Then he would be appealed, sir. 467 00:28:25,673 --> 00:28:28,340 This had better not go that far. 468 00:28:28,353 --> 00:28:32,937 Send me an email with the Lord Chancellor's view. Percy. 469 00:28:41,753 --> 00:28:43,343 DEED: Mrs Mills. 470 00:28:43,433 --> 00:28:45,312 With your leave, because of Mrs Bridges' frail health, 471 00:28:45,313 --> 00:28:47,152 I'd like to call her before the experts. 472 00:28:47,153 --> 00:28:48,263 Sure. 473 00:28:48,913 --> 00:28:51,552 Are you Gillian Bridges of 64 Harbury House 474 00:28:51,553 --> 00:28:53,712 and are you a computer operator? 475 00:28:53,713 --> 00:28:56,543 Yes, but I can't work. 476 00:28:56,993 --> 00:28:59,272 Can you tell the court what happened to you? 477 00:28:59,273 --> 00:29:02,023 About three and a half years ago, 478 00:29:02,033 --> 00:29:06,383 I began to feel drained, so tired. 479 00:29:07,673 --> 00:29:10,912 Eventually, I could barely get out of bed. 480 00:29:10,913 --> 00:29:12,352 What did your doctor say? 481 00:29:12,353 --> 00:29:17,223 He thought it was chronic fatigue. Then later, ME. 482 00:29:18,593 --> 00:29:20,593 Then my husband got ill. 483 00:29:20,953 --> 00:29:25,583 He was a policeman, so he was always physically fit. 484 00:29:26,153 --> 00:29:28,237 But he kept feeling sick. 485 00:29:28,913 --> 00:29:31,663 The doctors found stomach cancer. 486 00:29:32,313 --> 00:29:36,552 Can you recall any incident that caused a life change? 487 00:29:36,553 --> 00:29:39,053 The mast they put on our roof. 488 00:29:39,673 --> 00:29:41,393 Four years ago now. 489 00:29:41,793 --> 00:29:44,432 That was the start of everyone's troubles. 490 00:29:44,433 --> 00:29:45,552 What happened? 491 00:29:45,553 --> 00:29:50,637 The council sold the roof space to One-Way, the phone company. 492 00:29:51,073 --> 00:29:55,952 They had a contract to put in this TETRA system for the police. 493 00:29:55,953 --> 00:30:01,272 - Were you warned about this? - No. They didn't ask our permission. 494 00:30:01,273 --> 00:30:06,392 - Was there no sort of consultation? - The council said it was legal. 495 00:30:06,393 --> 00:30:10,983 - Do you own your flat? - Yes. 24 others do, too. 496 00:30:11,633 --> 00:30:14,633 But the council hold the head lease. 497 00:30:14,673 --> 00:30:16,313 I see. Thank you. 498 00:30:16,633 --> 00:30:20,752 Mrs Bridges, did you notice any changes following the siting of the mast? 499 00:30:20,753 --> 00:30:23,752 When the phone company switched it on, 500 00:30:23,753 --> 00:30:27,423 it was like suddenly I was shocked awake. 501 00:30:28,233 --> 00:30:31,233 It happened dozens of times a night. 502 00:30:31,713 --> 00:30:33,512 Did it affect anyone else in the building? 503 00:30:33,513 --> 00:30:35,103 Nearly everyone. 504 00:30:35,193 --> 00:30:38,223 And at the school just behind us, 505 00:30:38,313 --> 00:30:40,903 23 children were sent home 506 00:30:40,993 --> 00:30:45,543 with headaches, dizziness and nosebleeds 507 00:30:45,633 --> 00:30:48,552 in the first week the mast was switched on. 508 00:30:48,553 --> 00:30:51,792 Did they know that the mast had been switched on? 509 00:30:51,793 --> 00:30:52,823 No. 510 00:30:53,553 --> 00:30:55,463 No one warned them. 511 00:30:56,433 --> 00:30:58,023 When we complained, 512 00:30:58,113 --> 00:31:03,613 the council's Health and Safety Officer said the mast was harmless. 513 00:31:04,073 --> 00:31:07,192 The police were using them up and down the country. 514 00:31:07,193 --> 00:31:10,193 "They were perfectly safe," he said. 515 00:31:11,673 --> 00:31:12,993 Thank you. 516 00:31:13,673 --> 00:31:16,592 Did your husband use this system when he was a policeman? 517 00:31:16,593 --> 00:31:21,023 Yes. A lot of officers had similar symptoms. 518 00:31:21,753 --> 00:31:25,337 Jake started doing research on the internet. 519 00:31:25,833 --> 00:31:31,417 He found that the Police Federation had commissioned its own report. 520 00:31:31,993 --> 00:31:36,063 Policemen weren't just getting ill, three died. 521 00:31:36,153 --> 00:31:38,152 Not just from the masts, 522 00:31:38,153 --> 00:31:41,312 but from the receivers they carried on their belts. 523 00:31:41,313 --> 00:31:45,783 Mrs Bridges, we don't know if that is so, do we? 524 00:31:47,033 --> 00:31:49,367 Unless you have clear proof? 525 00:31:50,353 --> 00:31:51,383 No. 526 00:31:53,433 --> 00:31:55,912 Did the Federation publish its report? 527 00:31:55,913 --> 00:31:58,023 They sat on it, 528 00:31:58,113 --> 00:32:00,952 - under pressure from the Home Office. - Ah... 529 00:32:00,953 --> 00:32:04,112 Do you know that for a fact, Mrs Bridges? 530 00:32:04,113 --> 00:32:05,143 No. 531 00:32:05,793 --> 00:32:07,632 But we think that's what happened. 532 00:32:07,633 --> 00:32:11,912 You see, that might prove the case, but unless you show it so, 533 00:32:11,913 --> 00:32:17,392 I can't make any use of it when I come to make my judgement, you see? 534 00:32:17,393 --> 00:32:18,543 Go on. 535 00:32:19,393 --> 00:32:21,393 Did you read the report? 536 00:32:30,273 --> 00:32:31,343 Yes. 537 00:32:31,833 --> 00:32:33,392 Do you want to take a rest, Mrs Bridges? 538 00:32:33,393 --> 00:32:34,423 No. 539 00:32:37,513 --> 00:32:40,592 Mrs Bridges, what was it in that report 540 00:32:40,593 --> 00:32:42,552 that you thought the Home Office wanted to suppress? 541 00:32:42,553 --> 00:32:43,553 My lord... 542 00:32:43,633 --> 00:32:46,472 Well, fortunately we don't have an impressionable jury, 543 00:32:46,473 --> 00:32:48,223 do we, Mrs Channing? 544 00:32:49,073 --> 00:32:51,240 But be careful, Mrs Mills. 545 00:32:54,553 --> 00:32:55,953 Mrs Bridges? 546 00:32:56,273 --> 00:32:59,263 It said that this government, 547 00:33:00,313 --> 00:33:03,663 its scientists and the phone industry 548 00:33:04,553 --> 00:33:08,223 will be responsible for more civilian deaths 549 00:33:08,313 --> 00:33:10,230 - in peacetime... - Hey? 550 00:33:10,553 --> 00:33:14,887 ...than all the terrorist organisations put together. 551 00:33:20,593 --> 00:33:23,663 Mrs Bridges, before you fell ill, 552 00:33:23,753 --> 00:33:27,920 did you work at home on a computer or in an office? 553 00:33:28,033 --> 00:33:31,023 Both. Mostly at an office. 554 00:33:31,793 --> 00:33:35,127 Was it a big office with many computers? 555 00:33:35,473 --> 00:33:37,193 About 30 or so. 556 00:33:37,633 --> 00:33:39,832 And how long did you work there? 557 00:33:39,833 --> 00:33:41,943 About seven years, 558 00:33:42,393 --> 00:33:45,560 until illness forced me to give it up. 559 00:33:46,753 --> 00:33:51,952 Did you ever come across a report by Professor Ian Kennedy Martin, 560 00:33:51,953 --> 00:33:57,153 low-level frequency radiation, the sort emitted from computers, 561 00:33:57,553 --> 00:34:03,343 indeed by television sets, light bulbs, electrical wiring? 562 00:34:04,033 --> 00:34:05,063 No. 563 00:34:05,673 --> 00:34:07,432 Well, if you had, Mrs Bridges, 564 00:34:07,433 --> 00:34:12,583 and before you were made aware of TETRA phone masts, 565 00:34:13,033 --> 00:34:16,232 you might be suing the computer manufacturer 566 00:34:16,233 --> 00:34:18,400 or even your ex-employers. 567 00:34:19,433 --> 00:34:22,672 Professor Kennedy Martin ascribes to computer use 568 00:34:22,673 --> 00:34:27,507 all the symptoms that you ascribe to a harmless phone mast. 569 00:34:34,433 --> 00:34:37,152 Mrs Mills returned the Mrs Hussein file. 570 00:34:37,153 --> 00:34:39,183 She said she's too busy. 571 00:34:39,273 --> 00:34:42,607 - Has she gone? - She was on her way out. 572 00:34:49,593 --> 00:34:51,023 George? 573 00:34:55,473 --> 00:34:57,973 Was your day better than mine? 574 00:34:58,033 --> 00:35:00,232 The victim was in the witness box. 575 00:35:00,233 --> 00:35:04,032 Fortunately, we don't have a jury and the medical evidence 576 00:35:04,033 --> 00:35:07,432 can't prove the source of Motor Neurone Disease. 577 00:35:07,433 --> 00:35:09,552 You have to win this, George. 578 00:35:09,553 --> 00:35:11,912 I've spent an awful lot of taxpayers' money on this phone system 579 00:35:11,913 --> 00:35:13,392 and I'm going to have to spend an awful lot more 580 00:35:13,393 --> 00:35:16,472 getting it right if it goes pear-shaped. 581 00:35:16,473 --> 00:35:18,312 It's not just the money. 582 00:35:18,313 --> 00:35:22,112 It'd look like we don't care about our policemen or anyone else. 583 00:35:22,113 --> 00:35:25,792 Well, there's no research that says these masts are dangerous. 584 00:35:25,793 --> 00:35:28,377 None says they're safe, either. 585 00:35:33,153 --> 00:35:35,712 You'd better shower and change or we'll be late. 586 00:35:35,713 --> 00:35:38,272 Oh, I don't know if I want to go. 587 00:35:38,273 --> 00:35:42,583 I've spent rather a lot on a new dress! 588 00:35:52,273 --> 00:35:54,432 He's dying to see you. There's Monty. 589 00:35:54,433 --> 00:35:56,952 Ah, Monty. Nice to see one friendly face. 590 00:35:56,953 --> 00:35:59,272 Ah, you're the guest of honour. 591 00:35:59,273 --> 00:36:01,232 I didn't give these people the pay rise they wanted. 592 00:36:01,233 --> 00:36:04,312 Oh, I'm sure they don't blame you, darling. 593 00:36:04,313 --> 00:36:05,713 Hello, Vera. 594 00:36:09,913 --> 00:36:12,912 - Did someone paint that dress on you? - Oh! 595 00:36:12,913 --> 00:36:17,997 To think, I once had a figure like that before I had children. 596 00:36:18,953 --> 00:36:20,232 Is anyone getting a drink 597 00:36:20,233 --> 00:36:24,032 or are we all going to be breathalysed when we get out of here? 598 00:36:24,033 --> 00:36:27,232 I mean, it's all right for you. You've still got your official car. 599 00:36:27,233 --> 00:36:29,032 Well, I don't drink alcohol, Monty. 600 00:36:29,033 --> 00:36:30,623 Well, we do. 601 00:36:30,713 --> 00:36:31,903 Oh. 602 00:36:32,833 --> 00:36:35,072 - There we are, Vera... - Hmm. 603 00:36:35,073 --> 00:36:36,223 Monty. 604 00:36:36,553 --> 00:36:40,703 Oh, don't go. Thank you. 605 00:36:41,993 --> 00:36:44,143 Oh, Tim! How nice. 606 00:36:44,753 --> 00:36:45,943 George. 607 00:36:47,833 --> 00:36:50,472 You look like you've just stepped off the catwalk. 608 00:36:50,473 --> 00:36:53,272 Well, I could stand here and listen to this all evening. 609 00:36:53,273 --> 00:36:54,673 Is Neil here? 610 00:36:54,753 --> 00:36:55,863 Hmm? 611 00:36:55,953 --> 00:36:58,432 I suppose he's had to play the host. 612 00:36:58,433 --> 00:37:00,832 The Home Office are paying for this, after all. 613 00:37:00,833 --> 00:37:03,072 Oh, I thought my company was. 614 00:37:03,073 --> 00:37:06,323 Hmm. Well, the champagne is rather good. 615 00:37:06,873 --> 00:37:10,432 Uh, you know Monty and Vera Everard, Tim Listfield. 616 00:37:10,433 --> 00:37:13,312 Yeah. Uh, if you'll excuse me, George. 617 00:37:13,313 --> 00:37:14,912 Hmm. What's got into him, Vera? 618 00:37:14,913 --> 00:37:16,703 I'll go and find out. 619 00:37:20,233 --> 00:37:22,192 How's your case going, George? 620 00:37:22,193 --> 00:37:24,223 Oh. Early days. 621 00:37:25,433 --> 00:37:27,992 My company stands to lose a lot of money. 622 00:37:27,993 --> 00:37:30,993 You know we're in front of the Deed? 623 00:37:31,513 --> 00:37:32,743 Deja vu. 624 00:37:32,833 --> 00:37:34,583 Hardly, Tim. 625 00:37:35,953 --> 00:37:37,593 Gosh, I miss you. 626 00:37:39,073 --> 00:37:41,352 Would you like to have dinner one night? 627 00:37:41,353 --> 00:37:42,913 What? Just me? 628 00:37:43,713 --> 00:37:45,303 Would Neil care? 629 00:37:46,393 --> 00:37:49,727 Well, that depends what you have in mind. 630 00:37:50,193 --> 00:37:51,943 I'd better find him. 631 00:38:00,313 --> 00:38:03,152 I'm surprised you've got the nerve to turn up, Tim. 632 00:38:03,153 --> 00:38:06,392 The Home Office had the nerve to ask my company to pay. 633 00:38:06,393 --> 00:38:08,310 Oh, I didn't know that. 634 00:38:08,393 --> 00:38:10,977 I thought it was rapprochement. 635 00:38:11,033 --> 00:38:16,312 There is a sensitive case going on involving One-Way's phone system. 636 00:38:16,313 --> 00:38:19,072 Well, neither my company nor the Home Office is being sued. 637 00:38:19,073 --> 00:38:21,832 Your company installed the system for the police. 638 00:38:21,833 --> 00:38:25,083 It could track back to you and me, Tim. 639 00:38:26,713 --> 00:38:28,880 We should talk about that. 640 00:38:29,633 --> 00:38:31,352 Let's have breakfast. 641 00:38:31,353 --> 00:38:33,603 Home Secretary. Hello, Tim. 642 00:38:34,393 --> 00:38:35,992 He's wanted, is he, Percy? 643 00:38:35,993 --> 00:38:37,503 They are ready. 644 00:38:37,953 --> 00:38:41,703 I'll have my assistant fix up a meeting, Neil. 645 00:38:43,633 --> 00:38:45,633 Do you want to meet him? 646 00:38:46,033 --> 00:38:47,783 I'll think about it. 647 00:38:54,953 --> 00:38:57,632 Right. Mrs Mills, come with me, please. 648 00:38:57,633 --> 00:39:02,552 - Well, just give me a minute. - No, no, this won't wait. Come on. 649 00:39:02,553 --> 00:39:03,903 Okay. 650 00:39:12,593 --> 00:39:14,760 How do we like our towels? 651 00:39:15,553 --> 00:39:17,387 Clean. Fresh-smelling. 652 00:39:17,473 --> 00:39:22,503 Neatly folded. Yours and mine in their own places. 653 00:39:23,993 --> 00:39:25,632 Is it to do with hygiene? 654 00:39:25,633 --> 00:39:27,872 Well, cross-infection in hospital can be devastating. 655 00:39:27,873 --> 00:39:29,232 - But Marc... - Hmm. 656 00:39:29,233 --> 00:39:30,872 We're not in hospital. 657 00:39:30,873 --> 00:39:34,623 See, now you're being a lawyer, argumentative. 658 00:39:36,673 --> 00:39:39,752 Why don't we celebrate our differences? Hmm? 659 00:39:39,753 --> 00:39:40,863 Okay. 660 00:40:01,513 --> 00:40:04,312 Marc, the other day when I was playing Scrabble with the boys... 661 00:40:04,313 --> 00:40:05,512 - Mmm-hmm. - ...they wouldn't go 662 00:40:05,513 --> 00:40:07,632 into the sitting room. They said it was your room. 663 00:40:07,633 --> 00:40:11,383 Yeah. That's right. It's a sanctuary of order. 664 00:40:12,113 --> 00:40:14,673 Marc, the whole house is. 665 00:40:14,753 --> 00:40:16,352 What's this, a speech for the defence? 666 00:40:16,353 --> 00:40:18,792 Look, children need boundaries. 667 00:40:18,793 --> 00:40:21,627 Better off with them, aren't they? 668 00:40:22,993 --> 00:40:24,313 I suppose. 669 00:40:25,113 --> 00:40:28,030 They are well-behaved, I grant you. 670 00:40:35,433 --> 00:40:39,267 I've got a really, really early start tomorrow. 671 00:40:51,073 --> 00:40:52,663 USHER: All rise. 672 00:40:59,233 --> 00:41:00,713 Mrs Mills. 673 00:41:01,713 --> 00:41:04,552 I'm afraid Mrs Bridges is not well enough to be recalled. 674 00:41:04,553 --> 00:41:06,592 Is she likely to be well enough in the near future? 675 00:41:06,593 --> 00:41:10,592 Well, her lungs are collapsing due to her chest muscles wasting. 676 00:41:10,593 --> 00:41:14,032 - We might have a result there. - I think we might. 677 00:41:14,033 --> 00:41:15,512 Do you have another witness available? 678 00:41:15,513 --> 00:41:19,847 Yes, Professor Richard Brams. He's emeritus professor 679 00:41:19,873 --> 00:41:22,912 of Molecular Neurology at Oxford University. 680 00:41:22,913 --> 00:41:26,913 - A leading expert? - He is. He may not admit it. 681 00:41:28,593 --> 00:41:31,512 Professor Brams, have you read the May 2000 report 682 00:41:31,513 --> 00:41:34,912 of the Independent Expert Group on mobile phones and health, 683 00:41:34,913 --> 00:41:36,712 - the Stewart report? - You know I've read it 684 00:41:36,713 --> 00:41:38,630 and what I think of it. 685 00:41:39,033 --> 00:41:40,912 Nevertheless, Professor, can you open your bundle? 686 00:41:40,913 --> 00:41:43,143 It's bundle C, item three. 687 00:41:48,273 --> 00:41:51,992 I don't think any more of it than I did when it was written. 688 00:41:51,993 --> 00:41:54,410 Less, in fact, on reflection. 689 00:41:54,873 --> 00:41:58,312 - Why is that? - This technology moves on daily, 690 00:41:58,313 --> 00:42:00,832 - the Stewart report hasn't. - Are you saying it's out of date? 691 00:42:00,833 --> 00:42:04,592 It is. There was useful information in the report, 692 00:42:04,593 --> 00:42:06,263 mostly hidden. 693 00:42:07,113 --> 00:42:10,192 The report basically says that mobile phones are safe to use. 694 00:42:10,193 --> 00:42:11,303 They're not. 695 00:42:11,393 --> 00:42:15,432 Uh, phone masts are more dangerous, TETRA masts more dangerous still... 696 00:42:15,433 --> 00:42:17,032 In your opinion, Professor. 697 00:42:17,033 --> 00:42:20,033 Yes, everything I say is my opinion. 698 00:42:23,073 --> 00:42:27,952 Why are TETRA masts so dangerous, uh, your opinion, Professor? 699 00:42:27,953 --> 00:42:32,783 Because pulsed electromagnetic waves at 17.6 megahertz 700 00:42:32,873 --> 00:42:35,032 interfere with our natural brain rhythm. 701 00:42:35,033 --> 00:42:39,912 Even Stewart warned against using any communication instruments 702 00:42:39,913 --> 00:42:44,223 that pulse above 16 megahertz for that very reason. 703 00:42:44,713 --> 00:42:46,952 Have you examined the mast on top of Harbury House? 704 00:42:46,953 --> 00:42:48,513 You know I did. 705 00:42:48,593 --> 00:42:52,912 Yes, Professor. Can you tell the court what type of mast it is? 706 00:42:52,913 --> 00:42:58,983 Yeah. It's a TETRA mast pulsating at 17.6 megahertz. 707 00:42:59,313 --> 00:43:03,712 In excess of the 16 megahertz advised by the Stewart Committee. 708 00:43:03,713 --> 00:43:07,343 Hmm. 17.6 is in excess of 16! 709 00:43:12,393 --> 00:43:13,792 What happens to people 710 00:43:13,793 --> 00:43:17,472 when they're exposed to this sort of electromagnetic pulse? 711 00:43:17,473 --> 00:43:21,312 I don't know. All people are different. They react in different ways. 712 00:43:21,313 --> 00:43:23,872 If you want to ask me what's likely, 713 00:43:23,873 --> 00:43:27,952 a great deal of cellular change takes place in the brain 714 00:43:27,953 --> 00:43:30,112 to people living near a mast. 715 00:43:30,113 --> 00:43:31,952 Are these changes beneficial? 716 00:43:31,953 --> 00:43:36,232 There are never beneficial changes in cells from low-level radiation. 717 00:43:36,233 --> 00:43:39,552 Is exposure to low-level waves harmful, then? 718 00:43:39,553 --> 00:43:42,432 That's what scientists are continually arguing about. 719 00:43:42,433 --> 00:43:44,623 Those that are employed 720 00:43:44,713 --> 00:43:47,832 by the manufacturers of this technology say they're not. 721 00:43:47,833 --> 00:43:52,312 I am of the opinion that low-level electromagnetic radiation 722 00:43:52,313 --> 00:43:56,663 leads to heart problems, blood problems, tumours, 723 00:43:56,753 --> 00:44:00,352 calcium interference, reduction of night-time melatonin. 724 00:44:00,353 --> 00:44:03,272 People sleeping within range of a TETRA mast, 725 00:44:03,273 --> 00:44:06,072 such as the one where Mr and Mrs Bridges live, 726 00:44:06,073 --> 00:44:08,272 - could be severely affected. - Oh. 727 00:44:08,273 --> 00:44:10,352 - Increased arthritis. - Goodness. 728 00:44:10,353 --> 00:44:13,512 Ear problems, leukaemia, childhood cancer, 729 00:44:13,513 --> 00:44:15,552 sleep problems, depression... 730 00:44:15,553 --> 00:44:18,472 Is there some difficulty, Mrs Channing? 731 00:44:18,473 --> 00:44:21,743 - No, my lord. - Hmm. Mrs Mills. 732 00:44:21,833 --> 00:44:23,872 Is all this information well-documented? 733 00:44:23,873 --> 00:44:24,903 It is. 734 00:44:24,993 --> 00:44:28,072 And even more serious is microwave radiation 735 00:44:28,073 --> 00:44:32,232 changes the permeability of the blood-brain barrier. 736 00:44:32,233 --> 00:44:34,063 What happens then? 737 00:44:34,473 --> 00:44:39,703 Well, uh, microwaves affect the particles in the body 738 00:44:39,793 --> 00:44:41,072 by changing their size. 739 00:44:41,073 --> 00:44:44,953 They can change them both smaller and larger. 740 00:44:45,033 --> 00:44:49,032 By changing the permeability at the blood-brain barrier 741 00:44:49,033 --> 00:44:51,072 and changing the size of the particles, 742 00:44:51,073 --> 00:44:54,352 unwanted particles can enter or leave the brain. 743 00:44:54,353 --> 00:44:58,663 It's likely that calcium particles leaving the brain 744 00:44:58,753 --> 00:45:02,170 caused Mrs Bridges' Motor Neurone Disease. 745 00:45:05,473 --> 00:45:06,903 Mrs Channing. 746 00:45:10,393 --> 00:45:13,272 Are you an expert on Motor Neurone Disease, Professor? 747 00:45:13,273 --> 00:45:15,432 I'm expressing an opinion. 748 00:45:15,433 --> 00:45:19,517 Is it not true that no one knows the cause of MND? 749 00:45:20,193 --> 00:45:25,863 Microwaves change the permeability of the blood-brain barrier, 750 00:45:25,953 --> 00:45:28,183 calcium efflux results. 751 00:45:28,273 --> 00:45:31,672 That's little more than coincidence, is it not? 752 00:45:31,673 --> 00:45:35,953 Well, if all these so-called coincidences are piled 753 00:45:36,033 --> 00:45:37,903 one on top of another, 754 00:45:38,193 --> 00:45:40,912 there comes a point we have to consider it a fact. 755 00:45:40,913 --> 00:45:44,472 Had you proceeded with your brain research on that basis, 756 00:45:44,473 --> 00:45:47,792 then tried to get it peer reviewed, you'd have been laughed at. 757 00:45:47,793 --> 00:45:51,832 That is the only way a lot of science can go forward, 758 00:45:51,833 --> 00:45:55,383 by hypothesis, by imaginative leaps. 759 00:45:56,713 --> 00:45:59,712 You said, in both oral and written evidence, 760 00:45:59,713 --> 00:46:03,623 that the mast on Mr and Mrs Bridges' block 761 00:46:03,713 --> 00:46:05,152 gives off microwaves, 762 00:46:05,153 --> 00:46:10,063 that these can cause damage in cells, in humans... 763 00:46:10,153 --> 00:46:12,570 And animals. Animals as well. 764 00:46:12,633 --> 00:46:15,792 Police dogs and horses kept in police stations 765 00:46:15,793 --> 00:46:19,352 where they've got TETRA masts are adversely affected. 766 00:46:19,353 --> 00:46:21,472 There's no conclusive proof 767 00:46:21,473 --> 00:46:23,872 that microwaves cause such problems, is there? 768 00:46:23,873 --> 00:46:26,207 What do you call conclusive? 769 00:46:27,153 --> 00:46:29,070 What the courts accept. 770 00:46:29,433 --> 00:46:33,423 Courts of law cannot test matters of science. 771 00:46:33,513 --> 00:46:35,352 This point has been made time and again. 772 00:46:35,353 --> 00:46:39,512 All courts of law can do is to accept the opinion of scientists 773 00:46:39,513 --> 00:46:43,263 when we say "an effect follows a given cause". 774 00:46:43,313 --> 00:46:49,383 It's my opinion that low-level radiation is bio-accumulative. 775 00:46:49,473 --> 00:46:51,952 What does that mean, Professor? 776 00:46:51,953 --> 00:46:55,512 When massive radiation hits the cells of a body, 777 00:46:55,513 --> 00:46:58,392 then the immune system responds with vitamins 778 00:46:58,393 --> 00:47:00,113 to repair the site. 779 00:47:00,313 --> 00:47:05,432 Unfortunately, the immune system doesn't recognise low-level radiation 780 00:47:05,433 --> 00:47:09,872 which accumulates in the cells, causing them to break down. 781 00:47:09,873 --> 00:47:14,123 When it does, it's too late for the body to respond. 782 00:47:14,273 --> 00:47:17,312 Are you saying, then, that everyone will be adversely affected? 783 00:47:17,313 --> 00:47:20,072 Well, assuming the theory is true. 784 00:47:20,073 --> 00:47:21,872 No, no, no, no. Not necessarily. 785 00:47:21,873 --> 00:47:25,540 Just as not every smoker dies of lung cancer. 786 00:47:25,673 --> 00:47:29,552 It depends how close you live to a mast what your susceptibility is. 787 00:47:29,553 --> 00:47:32,552 So, what in your opinion is the danger zone? 788 00:47:32,553 --> 00:47:36,112 Up to two kilometres. The closer you are, the more at risk. 789 00:47:36,113 --> 00:47:40,863 This is a theory, Professor. There is no conclusive proof. 790 00:47:41,353 --> 00:47:44,103 The converse is true, too. 791 00:47:44,593 --> 00:47:49,183 There was conclusive proof that thalidomide was safe, 792 00:47:49,633 --> 00:47:54,300 that smoking wasn't a problem, that beef was safe to eat. 793 00:47:54,393 --> 00:47:57,472 The Home Office sought the opinion of my colleagues at Oxford 794 00:47:57,473 --> 00:48:02,263 about TETRA masts and they chose to ignore their advice 795 00:48:02,353 --> 00:48:04,783 not to go ahead. 796 00:48:11,073 --> 00:48:13,632 Calm down, darling, the report wasn't conclusive. 797 00:48:13,633 --> 00:48:15,072 But why didn't you warn me? 798 00:48:15,073 --> 00:48:17,952 I didn't want to worry you. Are you cross? 799 00:48:17,953 --> 00:48:19,792 Well, it made me look a fool. 800 00:48:19,793 --> 00:48:24,032 Deed wouldn't think that of you. I'm sure he wouldn't, darling. 801 00:48:24,033 --> 00:48:27,103 Neil, what's going on? 802 00:48:27,873 --> 00:48:30,232 Your own scientists condemned the TETRA system. 803 00:48:30,233 --> 00:48:33,232 This is a big setback. You're taking it much too lightly. 804 00:48:33,233 --> 00:48:36,712 The Prime Minister assured me we're not walking away from this, 805 00:48:36,713 --> 00:48:40,047 especially after such a huge expenditure. 806 00:48:40,153 --> 00:48:41,943 We'll see it through. 807 00:49:17,073 --> 00:49:20,392 Do you want them to pat me down to see if I'm bugged? 808 00:49:20,393 --> 00:49:24,552 I'll rely on our mutual interest in these phone masts. 809 00:49:24,553 --> 00:49:26,387 Now, what can be done? 810 00:49:27,673 --> 00:49:30,992 Too late to do much now you've let it get to court. 811 00:49:30,993 --> 00:49:33,272 For such a powerful man, Tim, you have a small understanding 812 00:49:33,273 --> 00:49:36,712 of how the Judiciary and the Executive work. 813 00:49:36,713 --> 00:49:39,392 You need a businessman running things, Neil. 814 00:49:39,393 --> 00:49:43,310 What's your solution for dealing with this case? 815 00:49:43,713 --> 00:49:46,352 If you can't take the case out of court, 816 00:49:46,353 --> 00:49:48,937 take the court out of the case. 817 00:49:49,873 --> 00:49:51,193 Negotiate. 818 00:49:51,473 --> 00:49:53,992 There must be something the Bridges want. 819 00:49:53,993 --> 00:49:57,992 I suspect all they want, Tim, is their health back. 820 00:49:57,993 --> 00:49:59,993 There is something else. 821 00:50:01,353 --> 00:50:05,603 You tell me what. It mustn't look like capitulation. 822 00:50:06,673 --> 00:50:08,272 Detective Sergeant Bridges 823 00:50:08,273 --> 00:50:11,192 won't want to be prosecuted for corruption. 824 00:50:11,193 --> 00:50:12,543 Was he corrupt? 825 00:50:12,633 --> 00:50:17,467 He was a policeman, Neil. His entire squad was on the take. 826 00:50:17,633 --> 00:50:19,712 Two former colleagues will give evidence to that effect 827 00:50:19,713 --> 00:50:23,963 if you can guarantee them immunity from prosecution. 828 00:50:26,153 --> 00:50:28,152 Tim, you still manage to take one's breath away 829 00:50:28,153 --> 00:50:30,992 with the most startlingly direct action. 830 00:50:30,993 --> 00:50:34,312 Can you guarantee these two policemen immunity? 831 00:50:34,313 --> 00:50:38,980 Of course. We'd need to look at what evidence you've got. 832 00:50:56,713 --> 00:50:58,303 USHER: All rise. 833 00:51:04,433 --> 00:51:08,767 Mrs Mills, do you wish to re-examine Professor Brams? 834 00:51:14,393 --> 00:51:15,873 It is with regret 835 00:51:15,953 --> 00:51:20,352 that I have to inform the court that my client is withdrawing her claim. 836 00:51:20,353 --> 00:51:22,687 Has her health deteriorated? 837 00:51:22,913 --> 00:51:24,997 There was no explanation. 838 00:51:26,593 --> 00:51:29,272 Would you like an adjournment to inquire after her health? 839 00:51:29,273 --> 00:51:31,352 That's hardly fair to my clients. 840 00:51:31,353 --> 00:51:33,432 Mrs Channing, the determination of this case 841 00:51:33,433 --> 00:51:35,992 has potentially significant social repercussions. 842 00:51:35,993 --> 00:51:38,992 Having amassed all of this written argument, 843 00:51:38,993 --> 00:51:41,992 it's important to clarify the reasons for its apparent abandonment. 844 00:51:41,993 --> 00:51:45,992 This is all very odd, and I don't like oddities in my court. 845 00:51:45,993 --> 00:51:47,792 - Mrs Mills. - An adjournment would be helpful. 846 00:51:47,793 --> 00:51:50,912 - All right. How long would you like? - Uh, would you hear an argument 847 00:51:50,913 --> 00:51:52,912 as to why we must not continue with this? 848 00:51:52,913 --> 00:51:54,313 Yeah. Go on. 849 00:51:55,393 --> 00:51:59,672 Rule 38 of the Civil Procedure Rules permits discontinuation of a case 850 00:51:59,673 --> 00:52:02,232 without judicial authority being sought. 851 00:52:02,233 --> 00:52:05,352 Moreover, I would like to address your lordship 852 00:52:05,353 --> 00:52:07,672 on a matter of human rights jurisprudence 853 00:52:07,673 --> 00:52:10,992 in relation to issues of conclusiveness in civil litigation. 854 00:52:10,993 --> 00:52:14,103 I have in mind the reasoning 855 00:52:14,193 --> 00:52:19,663 in Perez de Rada Cavanilles and Spain in 1998, 856 00:52:19,753 --> 00:52:22,223 29 EHR 109. 857 00:52:23,353 --> 00:52:24,472 Perez de Rada...? 858 00:52:24,473 --> 00:52:25,503 Cavanilles. 859 00:52:28,313 --> 00:52:29,633 All right. 860 00:52:30,433 --> 00:52:34,472 Well, in Williams and Cowle in 2000, Lord Justice Mummery 861 00:52:34,473 --> 00:52:37,672 wisely observed that we must resist the temptation 862 00:52:37,673 --> 00:52:41,512 to turn a court hearing into a human rights seminar. 863 00:52:41,513 --> 00:52:44,552 However, not being familiar with this particular case, 864 00:52:44,553 --> 00:52:47,552 Mrs Channing, I will adjourn to consider it properly. 865 00:52:47,553 --> 00:52:49,752 My clerk will inform you when I have done so. 866 00:52:49,753 --> 00:52:52,912 - How long might that be? - My clerk will inform you. 867 00:52:52,913 --> 00:52:54,423 USHER: All rise. 868 00:52:55,353 --> 00:52:58,872 You had that very point raised at the Strand earlier this year, Judge. 869 00:52:58,873 --> 00:53:00,303 Really, Coop? 870 00:53:00,953 --> 00:53:02,703 Must have forgotten. 871 00:53:03,593 --> 00:53:06,112 I beg you to reconsider going on with the case. 872 00:53:06,113 --> 00:53:08,952 No. You can't make us. I've made my decision. 873 00:53:08,953 --> 00:53:10,832 - And what about Mrs Bridges? - She's not well enough. 874 00:53:10,833 --> 00:53:12,833 But was it her decision? 875 00:53:14,473 --> 00:53:17,392 This is a terribly important test case. 876 00:53:17,393 --> 00:53:19,272 A lot of people are suffering because of these masts, 877 00:53:19,273 --> 00:53:21,832 - a lot of policemen, too. - Then someone else can do it. 878 00:53:21,833 --> 00:53:24,472 Your wife has the strongest case. 879 00:53:24,473 --> 00:53:28,472 You can't win, Mrs Mills, not against those people. 880 00:53:28,473 --> 00:53:30,192 Has something happened that you haven't told me? 881 00:53:30,193 --> 00:53:32,277 I've given you my answer. 882 00:53:41,593 --> 00:53:43,343 I'll call you, Jake. 883 00:54:10,673 --> 00:54:12,263 JAKE: Mrs Mills? 884 00:54:19,073 --> 00:54:20,863 That looks unhealthy. 885 00:54:20,953 --> 00:54:22,063 What? 886 00:54:22,233 --> 00:54:23,983 You're eating alone. 887 00:54:24,273 --> 00:54:26,032 Yeah, you know, sometimes I just can't be bothered 888 00:54:26,033 --> 00:54:28,450 to go out and pick anyone up. 889 00:54:34,193 --> 00:54:36,512 This is a side of you I've not seen before. 890 00:54:36,513 --> 00:54:38,183 I have my moments. 891 00:54:39,393 --> 00:54:41,952 Jack Bridges was got at, that's why he stopped. 892 00:54:41,953 --> 00:54:42,953 Got at how? 893 00:54:43,033 --> 00:54:45,592 A former colleague told him he'd be prosecuted for corruption 894 00:54:45,593 --> 00:54:49,312 if he went on with the case, he'd lose his pension. 895 00:54:49,313 --> 00:54:53,472 - Had he given them cause? - Why would I ask him that? 896 00:54:53,473 --> 00:54:55,152 Does he realise his former colleague 897 00:54:55,153 --> 00:54:57,472 could be arrested for not coming forward sooner? 898 00:54:57,473 --> 00:54:59,432 Of course. Doesn't help him. 899 00:54:59,433 --> 00:55:02,112 Is he going to continue with the case? 900 00:55:02,113 --> 00:55:04,032 I need to get him immunity from prosecution. 901 00:55:04,033 --> 00:55:05,463 Can you help? 902 00:55:05,793 --> 00:55:08,232 Only the Attorney can do that. 903 00:55:08,233 --> 00:55:11,672 Well, can I bring him to your chambers tomorrow? 904 00:55:11,673 --> 00:55:12,832 For what reason? 905 00:55:12,833 --> 00:55:15,432 I don't know. You'll think of something. 906 00:55:15,433 --> 00:55:17,432 Well, who do you think is behind all this, then? 907 00:55:17,433 --> 00:55:20,272 Well, it's obvious. The Home Secretary and Tim Listfield. 908 00:55:20,273 --> 00:55:22,792 - Evidence? - John, since when did Listfield 909 00:55:22,793 --> 00:55:24,472 ever leave evidence behind him? 910 00:55:24,473 --> 00:55:26,640 He's got the most to lose. 911 00:55:27,513 --> 00:55:31,032 All right, bring him to chambers at 10:30 tomorrow morning... 912 00:55:31,033 --> 00:55:32,952 Thank you. George will have to be there as well. 913 00:55:32,953 --> 00:55:34,103 Yeah. 914 00:55:34,193 --> 00:55:35,432 And if he does go on with this, 915 00:55:35,433 --> 00:55:39,100 you'd better be sure of your other witnesses. 916 00:55:40,153 --> 00:55:43,272 MARC: Why must everything be as Deed says? He dominates everything. 917 00:55:43,273 --> 00:55:46,992 JO: I need your client's evidence. MARC: I told you, I can't make him. 918 00:55:46,993 --> 00:55:49,712 JO: These people are dying. Does that mean nothing to him? 919 00:55:49,713 --> 00:55:52,792 Look, Jo, if you haven't got a case, you haven't. 920 00:55:52,793 --> 00:55:55,592 And nothing I or Brian Mansridge says will change that. 921 00:55:55,593 --> 00:55:57,832 JO: Michael's mother died from a brain tumour 922 00:55:57,833 --> 00:56:00,392 caused by a cell phone. Does that mean nothing? 923 00:56:00,393 --> 00:56:02,192 I don't want to discuss this in front of the children. 924 00:56:02,193 --> 00:56:03,783 Yeah, I'm sorry. 925 00:56:04,073 --> 00:56:06,192 But have you actually asked Mr Mansridge? 926 00:56:06,193 --> 00:56:08,672 Look, why don't we just drop this, get the dinner started 927 00:56:08,673 --> 00:56:10,552 and we discuss it later, hmm? 928 00:56:10,553 --> 00:56:13,387 - I don't think I can stay. - What? 929 00:56:17,193 --> 00:56:18,552 Do you have to go? 930 00:56:18,553 --> 00:56:21,912 Oh, I'm sorry, darling. I've got too much work. 931 00:56:21,913 --> 00:56:23,830 See you at the weekend. 932 00:56:29,873 --> 00:56:33,552 I have no knowledge of this. It's shameful to suggest that I have. 933 00:56:33,553 --> 00:56:35,232 George, no one is suggesting that. 934 00:56:35,233 --> 00:56:37,592 Well, then, why have you brought Mr Bridges here like this? 935 00:56:37,593 --> 00:56:39,792 If what Mr Bridges claims is true, 936 00:56:39,793 --> 00:56:42,152 then the officer concerned will be arrested. 937 00:56:42,153 --> 00:56:45,832 But who would risk such consequences when the case isn't even winnable? 938 00:56:45,833 --> 00:56:47,312 Even so, the police inspector 939 00:56:47,313 --> 00:56:49,312 making the allegations will be interviewed. 940 00:56:49,313 --> 00:56:50,383 Ah! 941 00:56:50,473 --> 00:56:53,352 Were you involved in what your former colleague alleged? 942 00:56:53,353 --> 00:56:56,232 - George, you know better than that. - I wasn't. 943 00:56:56,233 --> 00:56:57,992 Well, then, you have nothing to fear. 944 00:56:57,993 --> 00:57:01,512 Only another court case. Another I probably can't win. 945 00:57:01,513 --> 00:57:03,952 Another endless nightmare for my family! 946 00:57:03,953 --> 00:57:06,203 - Excuse me, my lord. - Hmm. 947 00:57:10,713 --> 00:57:13,047 Can't you give him immunity? 948 00:57:13,073 --> 00:57:15,472 Only the Attorney can do that. 949 00:57:15,473 --> 00:57:19,072 He won't be very well-disposed if you push on with Mrs Hussein's case. 950 00:57:19,073 --> 00:57:20,672 What have you got on that one? 951 00:57:20,673 --> 00:57:26,392 All the details of the South African asbestos cases, Lubbe v. Cape PLC. 952 00:57:26,393 --> 00:57:28,592 The claimants won the right to sue here. 953 00:57:28,593 --> 00:57:33,352 I haven't really studied them, but couldn't they help Mrs Hussein? 954 00:57:33,353 --> 00:57:36,832 - It's not easily argued, I don't think. - You could take this case, Dad. 955 00:57:36,833 --> 00:57:40,333 The Lord Chancellor would jump all over me. 956 00:57:43,233 --> 00:57:46,192 All right. I'll talk to the Attorney. 957 00:57:46,193 --> 00:57:49,072 The consequences for government and manufacturing in this country 958 00:57:49,073 --> 00:57:51,112 would be too awful if the DU case went forward. 959 00:57:51,113 --> 00:57:53,312 - It certainly should go forward. - Not in front of you, John. 960 00:57:53,313 --> 00:57:55,592 Well, it depends on how long Mrs Hussein has to wait. 961 00:57:55,593 --> 00:57:57,912 She's, uh, she's a bit mad, isn't she? 962 00:57:57,913 --> 00:57:59,392 How would you feel if you'd lost your spouse, 963 00:57:59,393 --> 00:58:01,112 your children and your grandchildren? 964 00:58:01,113 --> 00:58:04,912 Yes, but did she lose them, as she claims, to depleted uranium? 965 00:58:04,913 --> 00:58:07,413 That's a question for a judge. 966 00:58:12,993 --> 00:58:16,872 Deed is very keen to get immunity from prosecution for the ex-policeman. 967 00:58:16,873 --> 00:58:18,312 Well, he certainly can't have that. 968 00:58:18,313 --> 00:58:21,672 Bridges will have to take his chances if they go on with the case. 969 00:58:21,673 --> 00:58:23,673 That's for me to decide. 970 00:58:24,993 --> 00:58:29,912 Yes, I can't be seen to be involved, with George in the case. 971 00:58:29,913 --> 00:58:32,472 There's a risk it will look like it came from the Home Office. 972 00:58:32,473 --> 00:58:34,223 It certainly didn't. 973 00:58:34,633 --> 00:58:37,152 Is Deed planning to hear the Iraqi widow case? 974 00:58:37,153 --> 00:58:41,592 - No, he's not so foolish. - Well, perhaps we should encourage him. 975 00:58:41,593 --> 00:58:44,712 Are we still pushing this idea of jury service for Deed? 976 00:58:44,713 --> 00:58:46,272 It's the most effective option. 977 00:58:46,273 --> 00:58:49,432 He must dismiss this phone masts case. 978 00:58:49,433 --> 00:58:51,517 We're still trying, Neil. 979 00:58:54,953 --> 00:58:58,370 What are you going to do about Mr Bridges? 980 00:58:59,513 --> 00:59:01,992 Well, if the threat was to prevent the case from proceeding, 981 00:59:01,993 --> 00:59:05,112 it's perverting the course of justice, isn't it? 982 00:59:05,113 --> 00:59:07,197 You'd need good evidence. 983 00:59:08,153 --> 00:59:11,033 - Yeah. - Oh, thank you. 984 00:59:12,033 --> 00:59:15,072 Do you have a ticket for the administrative court? 985 00:59:15,073 --> 00:59:16,183 Yeah. 986 00:59:16,473 --> 00:59:22,312 You could review the MOD's refusal to hold an inquiry into depleted uranium. 987 00:59:22,313 --> 00:59:25,832 Wouldn't your asking me carry the same prejudice as you hearing it? 988 00:59:25,833 --> 00:59:29,250 Mmm-hmm, yes, you'd get a lot of pressure. 989 00:59:32,273 --> 00:59:36,432 You could give me chapter and verse on the Judiciary's inviolable right 990 00:59:36,433 --> 00:59:38,600 not to be interfered with. 991 00:59:48,793 --> 00:59:52,210 You should go to school, Jamie. It's best. 992 00:59:53,033 --> 00:59:54,623 Did you hear me? 993 00:59:56,393 --> 00:59:57,543 Jamie. 994 00:59:59,113 --> 01:00:03,543 Why can't you go on with the case? You've got to, Dad. 995 01:00:03,633 --> 01:00:07,152 Well, these things are never that easy, son. 996 01:00:07,153 --> 01:00:10,663 I've let you all down. I'm sorry. 997 01:00:15,513 --> 01:00:16,623 Jake. 998 01:00:22,433 --> 01:00:24,023 USHER: All rise. 999 01:00:26,513 --> 01:00:27,833 Mrs Mills. 1000 01:00:28,673 --> 01:00:31,340 My clients haven't contacted me. 1001 01:00:31,433 --> 01:00:33,912 Has anyone gone to inquire after Mrs Bridges' health? 1002 01:00:33,913 --> 01:00:36,872 Yes. Might we have a further adjournment? 1003 01:00:36,873 --> 01:00:38,912 This is intolerable. The claimants have declared 1004 01:00:38,913 --> 01:00:39,992 they're not going on with their claim. 1005 01:00:39,993 --> 01:00:43,392 Are we now going to wait for my learned friend to persuade them? 1006 01:00:43,393 --> 01:00:46,432 - No one is trying to persuade them. - That's what it looks like. 1007 01:00:46,433 --> 01:00:47,952 Well, your people put pressure on them. 1008 01:00:47,953 --> 01:00:49,592 Now, that's enough. Address the court, not each other. 1009 01:00:49,593 --> 01:00:50,992 No one put pressure on your corrupt clients. 1010 01:00:50,993 --> 01:00:52,152 The Home Office did. 1011 01:00:52,153 --> 01:00:54,392 One more word out of either of you, I will hold you in contempt. 1012 01:00:54,393 --> 01:00:56,352 This is absolutely absurd. This has nothing to do with... 1013 01:00:56,353 --> 01:00:59,187 The Government, the Home Office... 1014 01:01:01,233 --> 01:01:03,352 I've had enough of this. Get them out. 1015 01:01:03,353 --> 01:01:05,143 Adjourn it, please. 1016 01:01:05,233 --> 01:01:06,423 Ladies! 1017 01:01:18,913 --> 01:01:20,472 Are you after my job, Brian? 1018 01:01:20,473 --> 01:01:23,832 Uh, it's not for the Judge, Rita. Mrs Channing asked for it. 1019 01:01:23,833 --> 01:01:24,912 What a cheek. 1020 01:01:24,913 --> 01:01:27,712 Let her instructing solicitor get her tea from the lobby. 1021 01:01:27,713 --> 01:01:30,552 Well, she doesn't drink vending machine tea, Rita. 1022 01:01:30,553 --> 01:01:32,552 She said she wanted a proper cup of tea. 1023 01:01:32,553 --> 01:01:34,832 - Asked for a proper cup, I see. - And some cake. 1024 01:01:34,833 --> 01:01:39,250 Is that what she asked for? She is the absolute limit. 1025 01:01:39,473 --> 01:01:42,632 I don't think it's for you to fetch and carry for these barristers, Brian. 1026 01:01:42,633 --> 01:01:45,232 I know, Rita, but you know what she's like. 1027 01:01:45,233 --> 01:01:47,472 Any idea how long the Judge is going to keep them locked up in there? 1028 01:01:47,473 --> 01:01:50,552 Well, until they learn to behave themselves. 1029 01:01:50,553 --> 01:01:52,912 Well, in that case, I'd better remove the file I've hidden 1030 01:01:52,913 --> 01:01:54,830 in the Battenberg cake. 1031 01:01:54,953 --> 01:01:57,787 - Take it back, Brian. - Yes, Rita. 1032 01:02:04,793 --> 01:02:08,312 Have you forgotten Mrs Mills and Mrs Channing, Judge? 1033 01:02:08,313 --> 01:02:11,230 Haven't they killed each other yet? 1034 01:02:12,473 --> 01:02:14,263 I'll go and see them. 1035 01:02:36,993 --> 01:02:38,023 Oh! 1036 01:02:41,113 --> 01:02:42,312 George, you're driving me mad. 1037 01:02:42,313 --> 01:02:44,872 Well, you did the same to me for a very, very long time. 1038 01:02:44,873 --> 01:02:46,712 - That was all in the past. - Oh, how convenient. 1039 01:02:46,713 --> 01:02:49,672 This is just a clever ploy to get your clients back on board. 1040 01:02:49,673 --> 01:02:52,752 Your boyfriend got Sussex police to put pressure on Jake Bridges to quit! 1041 01:02:52,753 --> 01:02:54,792 - Oh, very good. - Of course he did. 1042 01:02:54,793 --> 01:02:59,552 - Go to hell! For God's sake! - George, live in the real world! 1043 01:02:59,553 --> 01:03:00,952 Do you two want to spend the night in here? 1044 01:03:00,953 --> 01:03:02,752 This is completely outrageous! 1045 01:03:02,753 --> 01:03:05,432 Let the usher know when you're ready to apologise. 1046 01:03:05,433 --> 01:03:08,433 - John, John! - I want to speak to... 1047 01:03:08,473 --> 01:03:09,503 Oh! 1048 01:03:13,953 --> 01:03:17,203 - They want to apologise, Judge. - Good. 1049 01:03:17,873 --> 01:03:20,873 Ask Mrs Mills to join me, would you? 1050 01:03:33,673 --> 01:03:37,757 - Everyone had given up on you. - Are we too late? 1051 01:03:38,033 --> 01:03:40,367 I'll tell the Judge's clerk. 1052 01:03:44,553 --> 01:03:46,832 - Come in. - Mrs Mills, Judge. 1053 01:03:46,833 --> 01:03:48,263 Thanks, Coop. 1054 01:03:50,873 --> 01:03:54,290 - Your clients are back. - Yes, thank you. 1055 01:03:55,393 --> 01:03:58,560 Your second expert'll need to be good. 1056 01:04:01,393 --> 01:04:04,912 - How are things with Marc? - Fine. Why wouldn't they be? 1057 01:04:04,913 --> 01:04:06,423 I live in hope. 1058 01:04:07,033 --> 01:04:09,117 I came here to apologise. 1059 01:04:11,553 --> 01:04:14,712 Did Charlie talk to you about Mrs Hussein? 1060 01:04:14,713 --> 01:04:17,792 - She did. - Are you going to take the case? 1061 01:04:17,793 --> 01:04:19,312 She hasn't got any money. 1062 01:04:19,313 --> 01:04:21,832 - Legal aid. - Refused six times. 1063 01:04:21,833 --> 01:04:24,792 So, suddenly money is an issue for you? 1064 01:04:24,793 --> 01:04:27,552 You live in this rarefied atmosphere of large pensions. 1065 01:04:27,553 --> 01:04:30,220 - I have to pay for mine. - Yeah. 1066 01:04:30,913 --> 01:04:33,330 You'll need a good solicitor. 1067 01:04:34,913 --> 01:04:39,072 Charlie found one. We're having a con with Mrs Hussein this evening. 1068 01:04:39,073 --> 01:04:40,103 Oh. 1069 01:04:41,233 --> 01:04:43,592 No, Michael's at cello practice until 6:00. 1070 01:04:43,593 --> 01:04:46,672 Oh, Brian Mansridge will go to court, so who knows? 1071 01:04:46,673 --> 01:04:50,272 He was reluctant. Why don't you talk him through all the evidence first? 1072 01:04:50,273 --> 01:04:52,690 - We're not allowed to. - Hmm. 1073 01:04:54,393 --> 01:04:57,632 I'm still being pressed by the South African government. 1074 01:04:57,633 --> 01:05:00,672 They want me to return and give evidence about these drugs we tested. 1075 01:05:00,673 --> 01:05:02,072 - Marc, is this serious? - Hmm? 1076 01:05:02,073 --> 01:05:06,672 No, no, it's all about politicking and pharmaceutical companies. 1077 01:05:06,673 --> 01:05:08,923 I hope Brian proves useful. 1078 01:05:09,753 --> 01:05:13,792 I've got to go. I've got a con. I've decided to help Mrs Hussein. 1079 01:05:13,793 --> 01:05:16,593 Oh! Will I see you later? 1080 01:05:16,673 --> 01:05:20,090 - Might stay at my place tonight. - Right. 1081 01:05:21,913 --> 01:05:22,983 Bye. 1082 01:05:28,673 --> 01:05:30,632 How did you amass all this evidence? 1083 01:05:30,633 --> 01:05:34,552 I lost my husband, three children and seven grandchildren, 1084 01:05:34,553 --> 01:05:36,637 it makes you resourceful. 1085 01:05:37,313 --> 01:05:39,752 My husband was a member of the Government. 1086 01:05:39,753 --> 01:05:41,543 I knew my way around. 1087 01:05:42,113 --> 01:05:44,352 But you weren't affected by DU. 1088 01:05:44,353 --> 01:05:47,020 No. I wish to God I'd gone, too. 1089 01:05:50,353 --> 01:05:53,192 The parallel leukemic clusters around Dumfries and Galloway 1090 01:05:53,193 --> 01:05:56,432 where the British Army tests DU shells, is that on record? 1091 01:05:56,433 --> 01:05:58,992 - I have all the sources. - All? 1092 01:05:58,993 --> 01:06:02,192 Well, they also test for the Americans. 1093 01:06:02,193 --> 01:06:04,592 It's against their law to do it back home. 1094 01:06:04,593 --> 01:06:08,352 Uh, when Mrs Hussein tried to get more evidence, 1095 01:06:08,353 --> 01:06:10,832 the health authorities said there were no clusters. 1096 01:06:10,833 --> 01:06:15,352 But I got the emails from the health authorities admitting that there are. 1097 01:06:15,353 --> 01:06:17,437 Did you get them legally? 1098 01:06:18,873 --> 01:06:20,943 They lied, Mrs Mills. 1099 01:06:22,353 --> 01:06:24,023 It might not help. 1100 01:06:25,513 --> 01:06:29,763 Look, my dear, I'm very encouraged by your interest, 1101 01:06:29,953 --> 01:06:34,663 but don't underestimate your government or the Americans. 1102 01:06:36,473 --> 01:06:42,640 Sometimes, Mrs Hussein, our courts prove totally independent of government. 1103 01:06:43,833 --> 01:06:46,832 If this Hussein woman gets to court, it'll be a disaster. 1104 01:06:46,833 --> 01:06:50,472 - It is likely, Alan. - The Cabinet is seriously worried. 1105 01:06:50,473 --> 01:06:53,512 Well, unless and until the Executive changes the rules, 1106 01:06:53,513 --> 01:06:55,632 we can't interfere with due process.. 1107 01:06:55,633 --> 01:06:58,272 Democracy sometimes makes for poor management. 1108 01:06:58,273 --> 01:07:01,832 They're trying to organise a wholly reliable judge for it. 1109 01:07:01,833 --> 01:07:04,917 Oh, well, that's something, at least. 1110 01:07:07,673 --> 01:07:11,552 - Can we get this to court, Jo? - Your Dad seems to think so. 1111 01:07:11,553 --> 01:07:14,632 - Do you miss him? - Did he ask you to ask? 1112 01:07:14,633 --> 01:07:17,883 No, of course not. He wouldn't do that. 1113 01:07:20,153 --> 01:07:23,903 I miss his incisive mind and his sense of fun. 1114 01:07:26,793 --> 01:07:31,072 Charlie, what would you think of someone who didn't let you into his room, 1115 01:07:31,073 --> 01:07:32,713 kept it for best? 1116 01:07:32,953 --> 01:07:36,620 - Is that what Marc does? - No, someone else. 1117 01:07:37,393 --> 01:07:41,432 - Jo, I think we're being followed. - What? Where? 1118 01:07:41,433 --> 01:07:46,072 There. Man in the Audi. I'm sure he was at the Law Library. 1119 01:07:46,073 --> 01:07:48,192 - Are you sure? - Come on, let's go and ask him. 1120 01:07:48,193 --> 01:07:50,193 No, Charlie, be careful. 1121 01:07:53,073 --> 01:07:56,073 Well, perhaps Mrs Hussein was right. 1122 01:07:57,313 --> 01:08:01,563 We shouldn't underestimate the Government's concern. 1123 01:08:05,633 --> 01:08:06,783 Morag. 1124 01:08:08,793 --> 01:08:12,752 I hear you've been given a ticket to hear cases in the administrative court. 1125 01:08:12,753 --> 01:08:14,753 I'm not sure why, Monty. 1126 01:08:15,033 --> 01:08:17,912 You could take the Hussein judicial review. 1127 01:08:17,913 --> 01:08:21,472 Oh, it's far too complicated. I'm just a girl, after all. 1128 01:08:21,473 --> 01:08:25,783 Mmm. No, I think you provide an excellent solution. 1129 01:08:25,873 --> 01:08:29,207 I'll have my clerk send over the papers. 1130 01:08:42,033 --> 01:08:43,992 Have I caught my lord in a state of undress? 1131 01:08:43,993 --> 01:08:45,952 A bit late in the morning. 1132 01:08:45,953 --> 01:08:50,712 - Have you got a moment? - Yeah, sure, I'm on my way to court. 1133 01:08:50,713 --> 01:08:55,312 Monty's just offered me the judicial review into the MOD's decision. 1134 01:08:55,313 --> 01:08:59,032 - Is it a poison chalice? - Depends what you decide. 1135 01:08:59,033 --> 01:09:00,950 I suggested you for it. 1136 01:09:01,353 --> 01:09:02,383 Ah! 1137 01:09:05,153 --> 01:09:09,992 Mr Mansridge, can you say what, if any, damage you've seen to humans 1138 01:09:09,993 --> 01:09:14,672 as the result of microwaves generated from cell phones and their masts? 1139 01:09:14,673 --> 01:09:17,032 Positive conclusive damage, I can't. 1140 01:09:17,033 --> 01:09:20,352 As a neurosurgeon, my area of expertise is the brain. 1141 01:09:20,353 --> 01:09:24,432 There's a suggestion that both phones and masts cause tumours. 1142 01:09:24,433 --> 01:09:26,392 Are you seeing these with more frequency? 1143 01:09:26,393 --> 01:09:31,432 There has been an increase, but it's not conclusive that masts are the cause. 1144 01:09:31,433 --> 01:09:33,792 Can you tell the court how big an increase? 1145 01:09:33,793 --> 01:09:38,152 Percentage-wise, probably 400-500% over the last 10 years. 1146 01:09:38,153 --> 01:09:40,112 In hard numbers, please. 1147 01:09:40,113 --> 01:09:43,072 - Uh, four to five per 100,000. - Thank you. 1148 01:09:43,073 --> 01:09:45,990 But as I say, these are not proven. 1149 01:09:46,753 --> 01:09:48,832 Well, then, is it your opinion 1150 01:09:48,833 --> 01:09:50,952 that phone masts are the cause of the increase? 1151 01:09:50,953 --> 01:09:54,870 Possibly. In the absence of any other evidences. 1152 01:10:02,633 --> 01:10:05,792 Have you found a connection between Motor Neurone Disease 1153 01:10:05,793 --> 01:10:10,512 and the effects of phone base stations such as in TETRA masts? 1154 01:10:10,513 --> 01:10:12,023 Not personally. 1155 01:10:12,673 --> 01:10:18,472 There are reports that calcium efflux occurs, but it's not a proven fact. 1156 01:10:18,473 --> 01:10:22,912 Well, then can you tell me your view on low-level radiation such as microwaves? 1157 01:10:22,913 --> 01:10:26,512 I've written several papers on the effects of microwaves on the brain. 1158 01:10:26,513 --> 01:10:30,632 My first concern started with the emergence of digital cell phones, 1159 01:10:30,633 --> 01:10:33,392 to give mobile phones their correct name. 1160 01:10:33,393 --> 01:10:36,392 Over the past 12 years have your concerns changed? 1161 01:10:36,393 --> 01:10:38,352 Well, nothing has confirmed that theory. 1162 01:10:38,353 --> 01:10:40,912 Although we do know that electromagnetic waves 1163 01:10:40,913 --> 01:10:45,152 going into our bodies make them act like aerials and generate electricity. 1164 01:10:45,153 --> 01:10:48,432 This goes to ground through the path of least resistance, 1165 01:10:48,433 --> 01:10:50,632 hormones, antibodies, neurotransmitters. 1166 01:10:50,633 --> 01:10:52,592 Is this necessarily harmful? 1167 01:10:52,593 --> 01:10:55,192 As an occasional occurrence, probably not. 1168 01:10:55,193 --> 01:10:58,352 The destination of hormones, antibodies, neurotransmitters 1169 01:10:58,353 --> 01:11:00,152 is the surface of a cell. 1170 01:11:00,153 --> 01:11:03,592 Here, useful chemicals can pass through the membrane into the cell 1171 01:11:03,593 --> 01:11:05,677 and poisons can come out. 1172 01:11:06,033 --> 01:11:08,552 This is the process cells go through all the while. 1173 01:11:08,553 --> 01:11:11,352 But if we change the charge on each carrier, 1174 01:11:11,353 --> 01:11:13,512 as when we're hit with low-level radiation, 1175 01:11:13,513 --> 01:11:15,872 then the beneficial substances may not go in 1176 01:11:15,873 --> 01:11:19,232 and the poisons may not come out and then you get cell breakdown. 1177 01:11:19,233 --> 01:11:21,067 This is just a theory? 1178 01:11:23,033 --> 01:11:25,832 Well, the effects of low-level radiation is, yes. 1179 01:11:25,833 --> 01:11:30,672 But certainly some sort of overload is causing more serious illnesses. 1180 01:11:30,673 --> 01:11:33,007 I see, thank you. Mrs Mills. 1181 01:11:33,793 --> 01:11:37,833 Is Motor Neurone Disease one possible illness? 1182 01:11:38,633 --> 01:11:40,303 Well, I can't say. 1183 01:11:40,593 --> 01:11:44,552 Only that I would not wish to live in close proximity to something as... 1184 01:11:44,553 --> 01:11:46,720 well, aggressive as TETRA. 1185 01:11:48,513 --> 01:11:50,432 Why is it so aggressive? 1186 01:11:50,433 --> 01:11:52,912 Well, as a result of pulsating waves, 1187 01:11:52,913 --> 01:11:56,712 we get the accumulative effect of 400 million particles, 1188 01:11:56,713 --> 01:12:00,272 neutrons, going through our bodies every second. 1189 01:12:00,273 --> 01:12:03,032 Now, the theory is that this suppresses the immune system 1190 01:12:03,033 --> 01:12:06,032 so we get colds for longer, longer illnesses, 1191 01:12:06,033 --> 01:12:09,533 depression, anxiety and even brain tumours. 1192 01:12:13,193 --> 01:12:14,913 DEED: Mrs Channing. 1193 01:12:19,833 --> 01:12:24,072 Is there evidence that the phone mast caused these problems? 1194 01:12:24,073 --> 01:12:26,490 Hard evidence? Of course not. 1195 01:12:26,953 --> 01:12:30,552 Nor epidemiological studies to support this theory? 1196 01:12:30,553 --> 01:12:34,632 No. No independent epidemiological studies have been conducted. 1197 01:12:34,633 --> 01:12:37,512 The Government's never insisted on a long-term study 1198 01:12:37,513 --> 01:12:41,112 into the safety of cell phones before they were marketed. 1199 01:12:41,113 --> 01:12:42,543 Why was that? 1200 01:12:43,393 --> 01:12:45,893 Because they were deemed safe? 1201 01:12:47,153 --> 01:12:50,472 Mr Mansridge, you were an observer on the Stewart Committee 1202 01:12:50,473 --> 01:12:52,472 when it reported on mobile phones. 1203 01:12:52,473 --> 01:12:53,807 Yes, yes, I was. 1204 01:12:53,833 --> 01:12:56,352 Well, did this report raise widespread concerns 1205 01:12:56,353 --> 01:12:58,712 about mobile phones and their masts? 1206 01:12:58,713 --> 01:13:00,903 No. No, it didn't. 1207 01:13:01,353 --> 01:13:05,432 Because presumably you were all part of the Government 1208 01:13:05,433 --> 01:13:10,512 and industry-wide conspiracy to make everyone ill in 10 years' time 1209 01:13:10,513 --> 01:13:12,512 so that they had no customers. 1210 01:13:12,513 --> 01:13:14,347 No, no, of course not. 1211 01:13:15,113 --> 01:13:18,592 Can you say how Motor Neurone Disease occurs? 1212 01:13:18,593 --> 01:13:21,313 I can't. Not categorically. 1213 01:13:22,513 --> 01:13:25,013 Can anyone point to its cause? 1214 01:13:25,353 --> 01:13:28,103 Not in any papers I've ever seen. 1215 01:13:30,953 --> 01:13:34,943 Thank you. Is MND on the increase? 1216 01:13:35,953 --> 01:13:40,792 It's on the rise, year by year by about 40% over the last 10 years, yes. 1217 01:13:40,793 --> 01:13:43,103 Caused by phone masts? 1218 01:13:44,513 --> 01:13:46,463 I can't say that. 1219 01:13:50,473 --> 01:13:54,390 Well, thank you, Mr Mansridge. You are released. 1220 01:13:59,753 --> 01:14:03,472 Mrs Channing, would you like to call your expert back-to-back? 1221 01:14:03,473 --> 01:14:08,752 Yes. Professor Carol Churchill of the Institute of Scientific Research. 1222 01:14:08,753 --> 01:14:13,503 Right. Well, perhaps tomorrow. Mrs Mills has another case. 1223 01:14:28,153 --> 01:14:29,832 Jo, I thought you wouldn't make it. 1224 01:14:29,833 --> 01:14:33,667 Sorry. My last witness was a complete disaster. 1225 01:14:37,873 --> 01:14:41,792 My lady, are we to assume that this application falls away? 1226 01:14:41,793 --> 01:14:42,823 Ah! 1227 01:14:44,593 --> 01:14:47,023 Get Charlie's wig out to her. 1228 01:14:47,113 --> 01:14:49,632 Mrs Mills, I was about to find for the Attorney. 1229 01:14:49,633 --> 01:14:53,392 I do apologise, my lady. I have trouble trying to be in two places at once. 1230 01:14:53,393 --> 01:14:56,393 MORAG: I do understand your problem. 1231 01:14:56,753 --> 01:14:57,823 Mr Attorney. 1232 01:14:57,913 --> 01:15:03,392 The application for judicial review by Mrs Hussein has no basis in law. 1233 01:15:03,393 --> 01:15:06,192 The MOD must not be answerable to an Iraqi citizen, 1234 01:15:06,193 --> 01:15:09,912 the widow of a minister in a then-enemy government. 1235 01:15:09,913 --> 01:15:12,580 Is Mrs Hussein an Iraqi citizen? 1236 01:15:12,633 --> 01:15:19,133 She gave up her British citizenship at the request of her husband 30 years ago. 1237 01:15:19,993 --> 01:15:23,752 The information the court would be asking the MOD to release 1238 01:15:23,753 --> 01:15:25,503 is highly classified. 1239 01:15:25,513 --> 01:15:28,232 It would be of undoubted benefit to an enemy. 1240 01:15:28,233 --> 01:15:29,792 Is there a likely enemy? 1241 01:15:29,793 --> 01:15:33,072 Well, the terrorist cells that breed so easily in a free society. 1242 01:15:33,073 --> 01:15:35,712 With all due respect to the Attorney, 1243 01:15:35,713 --> 01:15:39,272 I do think he's trying to shut the stable door after the horse has bolted. 1244 01:15:39,273 --> 01:15:43,472 There are reams of material on depleted uranium on the internet. 1245 01:15:43,473 --> 01:15:46,672 How it's used, how it's incorporated into tank shells, 1246 01:15:46,673 --> 01:15:49,152 what its devastating effects are. 1247 01:15:49,153 --> 01:15:52,570 - Do you have copies of this? - Yes, I do. 1248 01:15:57,953 --> 01:15:59,273 Thank you. 1249 01:16:02,193 --> 01:16:04,632 Well, despite this, we were in a state of war. 1250 01:16:04,633 --> 01:16:09,392 And as such, the army is both governed and protected by the law of war. 1251 01:16:09,393 --> 01:16:14,272 If every action in a state of war was subject to judicial review, 1252 01:16:14,273 --> 01:16:16,712 well, the government simply couldn't function. 1253 01:16:16,713 --> 01:16:19,872 Life in government would be difficult, I agree. 1254 01:16:19,873 --> 01:16:22,032 But now there is much judicial support 1255 01:16:22,033 --> 01:16:25,432 for proper legality, even in times of peril. 1256 01:16:25,433 --> 01:16:29,433 As Lord Atkin famously said in 1942, discentente, 1257 01:16:29,513 --> 01:16:35,013 "In this country, amid the clash of arms, the laws are not silent." 1258 01:16:35,033 --> 01:16:40,533 I'll hear Mrs Mills' argument before I hear you close, Mr Attorney. 1259 01:16:43,073 --> 01:16:48,312 Does being at war allow for the slow, tortuous death of non-combatants 1260 01:16:48,313 --> 01:16:50,103 long after ceasefire? 1261 01:16:50,393 --> 01:16:54,752 I'm not up on modern warfare. However, it would seem to me... 1262 01:16:54,753 --> 01:16:56,352 The hearing was very brief. 1263 01:16:56,353 --> 01:16:59,232 Oh. It's not over, it's just the opening skirmish. 1264 01:16:59,233 --> 01:17:02,832 Now the judge has to decide whether the MOD's decision should be reviewed. 1265 01:17:02,833 --> 01:17:05,752 - But will she hear it if she does? - Hopefully. 1266 01:17:05,753 --> 01:17:07,392 But the Government won't give in easily. 1267 01:17:07,393 --> 01:17:11,223 And I won't give up. I'd rather die first. 1268 01:17:11,553 --> 01:17:13,803 I'm sure they realise that. 1269 01:17:18,473 --> 01:17:19,663 Here. 1270 01:17:19,753 --> 01:17:21,023 MARC: Hi. 1271 01:17:22,273 --> 01:17:25,912 The clerk said you were still here. I thought you might like some dinner. 1272 01:17:25,913 --> 01:17:28,632 Did you speak to Brian Mansridge? 1273 01:17:28,633 --> 01:17:31,792 - Jo, I did warn you. - The Bridges are going to lose. 1274 01:17:31,793 --> 01:17:33,792 Yes, but Brian isn't to blame, nor are you. 1275 01:17:33,793 --> 01:17:36,912 I was the one who persuaded them to carry on. 1276 01:17:36,913 --> 01:17:41,552 I'd hoped we could convince the judge that those masts cause MND. 1277 01:17:41,553 --> 01:17:44,192 Mansridge's evidence was important. You should have spoken to him. 1278 01:17:44,193 --> 01:17:45,392 And told him what? 1279 01:17:45,393 --> 01:17:48,432 How to present his argument in a more positive light. 1280 01:17:48,433 --> 01:17:50,272 You could have taken a few more risks for us. 1281 01:17:50,273 --> 01:17:52,107 Jo, it's not my fault. 1282 01:17:54,073 --> 01:17:58,383 No, I know. But sometimes you have to take a risk. 1283 01:17:59,593 --> 01:18:01,427 Let's get some dinner. 1284 01:18:08,033 --> 01:18:09,143 Help. 1285 01:18:11,953 --> 01:18:14,870 I'm sure you'll be fine eventually. 1286 01:18:18,033 --> 01:18:20,283 Well, I like the meanwhile. 1287 01:18:21,993 --> 01:18:23,103 Good. 1288 01:18:24,553 --> 01:18:28,472 My spies tell me Mrs Justice Hughes went straight to Deed. 1289 01:18:28,473 --> 01:18:31,112 Are your spies more reliable than mine? 1290 01:18:31,113 --> 01:18:32,952 Can you also tell me what they talked about? 1291 01:18:32,953 --> 01:18:34,703 She will eventually. 1292 01:18:35,353 --> 01:18:40,520 - Can you trust this woman? - Oh, I'm very confident about her. 1293 01:18:42,193 --> 01:18:44,912 Professor Churchill, is there any evidence 1294 01:18:44,913 --> 01:18:49,343 that microwaves in low doses from TETRA masts 1295 01:18:49,433 --> 01:18:50,832 can do us any harm? 1296 01:18:50,833 --> 01:18:55,152 No. Long periods of exposure could possibly cause problems. 1297 01:18:55,153 --> 01:18:56,992 Has this ever been demonstrated? 1298 01:18:56,993 --> 01:19:00,512 Rats subjected to prolonged exposure of pulsed waves 1299 01:19:00,513 --> 01:19:02,832 did develop a change in cells. 1300 01:19:02,833 --> 01:19:05,823 And how long was that exposure? 1301 01:19:05,913 --> 01:19:08,823 150 continuous days. 1302 01:19:09,833 --> 01:19:11,872 Do rats use phones, professor? 1303 01:19:11,873 --> 01:19:15,040 I've never tried to call one, my lord. 1304 01:19:20,873 --> 01:19:21,943 Mrs Mills. 1305 01:19:25,553 --> 01:19:28,072 Isn't the ultimate test on humans? 1306 01:19:28,073 --> 01:19:30,032 That's the ultimate test for all products. 1307 01:19:30,033 --> 01:19:33,032 That doesn't make them unsafe when they reach the market. 1308 01:19:33,033 --> 01:19:37,072 Since radiation from TETRA penetrates deeper into the head, 1309 01:19:37,073 --> 01:19:39,432 isn't that a cause for concern? 1310 01:19:39,433 --> 01:19:43,850 Some scientists do subscribe to that concern, I don't. 1311 01:19:44,953 --> 01:19:48,992 A person living in close proximity to a TETRA mast 1312 01:19:48,993 --> 01:19:51,952 is likely to develop changes in their cells. 1313 01:19:51,953 --> 01:19:54,453 That hasn't been demonstrated. 1314 01:19:58,153 --> 01:20:00,712 (SIGHS) Do you have any interest in the phone companies 1315 01:20:00,713 --> 01:20:03,047 who develop this technology? 1316 01:20:04,833 --> 01:20:10,192 - Yes, I'm on the advisory committee. - And who pays that committee? 1317 01:20:10,193 --> 01:20:12,777 The phone companies, naturally. 1318 01:20:14,753 --> 01:20:16,073 Thank you. 1319 01:20:18,833 --> 01:20:20,263 Mrs Channing. 1320 01:20:20,753 --> 01:20:25,272 Why are the phone companies paying this committee, Professor? 1321 01:20:25,273 --> 01:20:28,607 To ensure their technology remains safe. 1322 01:20:32,073 --> 01:20:34,712 Neil, you're stupid not taking action against Bridges. 1323 01:20:34,713 --> 01:20:38,192 That threat of prosecution wasn't enough to stop their proceeding with the case. 1324 01:20:38,193 --> 01:20:40,152 Makes the Home Office look toothless. 1325 01:20:40,153 --> 01:20:43,152 To go ahead would make us appear vindictive. 1326 01:20:43,153 --> 01:20:46,070 We both stand to lose a great deal. 1327 01:20:46,633 --> 01:20:52,300 George is convinced the judge can't do other than rule in our favour. 1328 01:21:03,033 --> 01:21:07,950 This is more pleasant than coffee with most judges, my lady. 1329 01:21:07,993 --> 01:21:11,512 I still can't get used to that, Ian. I think I'm being sent up. 1330 01:21:11,513 --> 01:21:13,503 (CHUCKLES) Unlikely. 1331 01:21:14,353 --> 01:21:17,687 I can't tell you my decision in the case. 1332 01:21:20,553 --> 01:21:22,592 Are we standing on ceremony? 1333 01:21:22,593 --> 01:21:24,843 I have yet to arrive at it. 1334 01:21:25,113 --> 01:21:30,030 I hope Mr Justice Deed isn't proving too influential, Morag. 1335 01:21:33,953 --> 01:21:38,453 - Have you been spying on me? - The Home Secretary has. 1336 01:21:43,313 --> 01:21:45,397 How do you read her, Ian? 1337 01:21:45,673 --> 01:21:47,632 Frankly, I'm not too hopeful. 1338 01:21:47,633 --> 01:21:49,550 I'll alert the Cabinet. 1339 01:22:09,273 --> 01:22:12,152 - Where's Mrs Hussein? - Been trying to get her all morning. 1340 01:22:12,153 --> 01:22:15,070 - (GAVEL BANGING) - USHER: All rise. 1341 01:22:24,193 --> 01:22:26,032 Is the Attorney General not present? 1342 01:22:26,033 --> 01:22:30,192 He's being detained in the House of Commons, my lady. 1343 01:22:30,193 --> 01:22:31,712 Is Mrs Hussein not here, either? 1344 01:22:31,713 --> 01:22:33,963 We're trying to locate her. 1345 01:22:34,033 --> 01:22:36,552 I am of the opinion that permission should be granted 1346 01:22:36,553 --> 01:22:40,712 to allow a full oral hearing at a time and date to be determined. 1347 01:22:40,713 --> 01:22:43,112 Is there any indication of when that might be, my lady? 1348 01:22:43,113 --> 01:22:44,272 Is there a time constraint? 1349 01:22:44,273 --> 01:22:49,190 Mrs Hussein's permitted time in this country is running out. 1350 01:22:49,793 --> 01:22:51,152 Would you give me a moment, my lady? 1351 01:22:51,153 --> 01:22:52,473 Certainly. 1352 01:22:52,953 --> 01:22:54,593 JO: Where is she? 1353 01:22:57,233 --> 01:22:58,633 What? 1354 01:22:58,713 --> 01:23:01,713 Perhaps you'd share your excitement. 1355 01:23:07,153 --> 01:23:09,992 Mrs Hussein has been arrested under the Prevention of Terrorism Act. 1356 01:23:09,993 --> 01:23:11,663 She's in Belmarsh. 1357 01:23:13,193 --> 01:23:15,943 That will not affect any hearing. 1358 01:23:20,233 --> 01:23:21,503 All rise. 1359 01:23:21,913 --> 01:23:23,503 USHER: All rise. 1360 01:23:28,993 --> 01:23:30,343 Ian! 1361 01:23:30,593 --> 01:23:32,792 How dare you walk out of my court in that fashion! 1362 01:23:32,793 --> 01:23:35,433 Your court? Who put you there? 1363 01:23:35,513 --> 01:23:38,097 However I got there, I'm there. 1364 01:23:39,073 --> 01:23:42,632 I would suggest you're being influenced by Mr Justice Deed. 1365 01:23:42,633 --> 01:23:45,392 It's a bad influence that will put you out of favour. 1366 01:23:45,393 --> 01:23:48,393 Then you will need friends. My lady. 1367 01:23:53,353 --> 01:23:54,783 On what grounds? 1368 01:23:54,873 --> 01:23:58,123 The Home Office did it. I guarantee it. 1369 01:24:08,273 --> 01:24:09,503 Charlie! 1370 01:24:10,433 --> 01:24:11,952 - Where is he? - What's going on? 1371 01:24:11,953 --> 01:24:14,592 - What's the matter? - Where is he? 1372 01:24:14,593 --> 01:24:16,832 You did this. Of all the cheap, despicable tricks. 1373 01:24:16,833 --> 01:24:18,832 Charlie, I will not have you talking to Neil like this. 1374 01:24:18,833 --> 01:24:21,552 - He had Mrs Hussein arrested. - Oh, don't be ridiculous. 1375 01:24:21,553 --> 01:24:22,912 There's no doubting whose daughter you are. 1376 01:24:22,913 --> 01:24:24,063 So deny it. 1377 01:24:24,153 --> 01:24:27,272 The Americans have asked us to hold on to her pending extradition. 1378 01:24:27,273 --> 01:24:30,112 She's been passing information to Iraqi insurgents in Baghdad. 1379 01:24:30,113 --> 01:24:32,672 Well, I'm going to get her out. 1380 01:24:32,673 --> 01:24:34,463 Oh, is she? 1381 01:24:37,673 --> 01:24:39,192 What are you gonna do, Chaz? Storm the citadel? 1382 01:24:39,193 --> 01:24:41,952 - Yeah, I feel like it. - Then storm it with law, my darling. 1383 01:24:41,953 --> 01:24:43,272 Arm yourself with the law. 1384 01:24:43,273 --> 01:24:45,952 We will take apart every syllable of the PTA. 1385 01:24:45,953 --> 01:24:47,992 Meanwhile, you just arm yourself with a good left hook, 1386 01:24:47,993 --> 01:24:50,432 because one of us is gonna floor Haughton. 1387 01:24:50,433 --> 01:24:51,832 - Yes? - (CHUCKLES) Yes. 1388 01:24:51,833 --> 01:24:54,232 Good. Well, we'll do that then, 'cause that's my idea 1389 01:24:54,233 --> 01:24:56,400 and my ideas are the best. 1390 01:25:00,393 --> 01:25:03,872 The evidence about the effects of low-level radiation 1391 01:25:03,873 --> 01:25:07,040 from phone masts is scandalously thin. 1392 01:25:08,153 --> 01:25:13,570 From base stations in the TETRA system, it is almost non-existent. 1393 01:25:14,073 --> 01:25:15,903 The industry tells us 1394 01:25:15,993 --> 01:25:19,827 that no harm results from either phone or mast. 1395 01:25:19,913 --> 01:25:22,712 Yet in one report, Dr Gerald Highland 1396 01:25:22,713 --> 01:25:26,192 of the International Institute of Biophysics said, 1397 01:25:26,193 --> 01:25:29,232 "It is criminally irresponsible to permit the roll-out 1398 01:25:29,233 --> 01:25:33,112 "of a technology which has undergone minimal testing 1399 01:25:33,113 --> 01:25:38,113 "and where what testing has been done shows health problems." 1400 01:25:38,913 --> 01:25:44,352 That TETRA masts pulsate at a rate dangerously close to human brainwaves 1401 01:25:44,353 --> 01:25:47,672 was something the Stewart Committee warned about. 1402 01:25:47,673 --> 01:25:51,712 The claimant, Mrs Bridges, developed Motor Neurone Disease, 1403 01:25:51,713 --> 01:25:55,752 it's alleged, from living under a TETRA base station 1404 01:25:55,753 --> 01:25:58,432 that Rotherwas Council allowed One-Way phones 1405 01:25:58,433 --> 01:26:01,433 to put on the top of her flat block. 1406 01:26:02,073 --> 01:26:07,143 Five other tenants have also developed Motor Neurone Disease. 1407 01:26:09,073 --> 01:26:11,592 Statistically, this is an aberration. 1408 01:26:11,593 --> 01:26:15,872 And written evidence for the defence suggests that such aberrations 1409 01:26:15,873 --> 01:26:19,063 occur elsewhere without a mast present. 1410 01:26:20,633 --> 01:26:25,717 These were not supported by long-term epidemiological studies. 1411 01:26:27,313 --> 01:26:30,512 It is the view of the court that the Government has failed 1412 01:26:30,513 --> 01:26:32,903 the general public miserably 1413 01:26:33,713 --> 01:26:38,072 by ignoring the internationally accepted precautionary principle 1414 01:26:38,073 --> 01:26:40,407 when weighing unknown risks. 1415 01:26:41,353 --> 01:26:44,272 It has allowed untested phone masts in general 1416 01:26:44,273 --> 01:26:46,833 and TETRA masts in particular 1417 01:26:47,953 --> 01:26:53,370 to be sited around the country near homes, schools and workplaces. 1418 01:26:54,913 --> 01:26:57,032 Therefore, on the balance of probabilities, 1419 01:26:57,033 --> 01:27:00,223 it is more likely than not, I find, 1420 01:27:00,313 --> 01:27:03,072 that the TETRA mast on top of Harbury House 1421 01:27:03,073 --> 01:27:09,323 was a significant contributing factor in Mrs Bridges' Motor Neurone Disease. 1422 01:27:10,393 --> 01:27:11,583 Thank you. 1423 01:27:11,673 --> 01:27:14,752 I am ordering Rotherwas Council to give the Bridges 1424 01:27:14,753 --> 01:27:17,792 and residents of Harbury House back their piece of mind 1425 01:27:17,793 --> 01:27:20,377 by removing the mast forthwith. 1426 01:27:22,713 --> 01:27:25,872 They must also alert all other residents of the presence 1427 01:27:25,873 --> 01:27:28,873 and potential danger of phone masts. 1428 01:27:29,713 --> 01:27:33,112 I am awarding as general damages for nuisance to Mrs Bridges 1429 01:27:33,113 --> 01:27:36,073 the sum of? 100,000. 1430 01:27:36,753 --> 01:27:41,312 The quantum of damages for personal injury was agreed between counsel 1431 01:27:41,313 --> 01:27:48,223 earlier as a global sum of? 858,346, including interest. 1432 01:27:49,033 --> 01:27:52,283 I further award the claimants this sum. 1433 01:27:57,753 --> 01:27:59,983 Hi, you coming my way? 1434 01:28:03,473 --> 01:28:04,623 John. 1435 01:28:09,433 --> 01:28:12,392 John, your ruling was very courageous. 1436 01:28:12,393 --> 01:28:13,583 Was it? 1437 01:28:14,233 --> 01:28:16,317 Seemed right at the time. 1438 01:28:16,393 --> 01:28:19,752 - It will be appealed. - Yes, I have no doubt. 1439 01:28:19,753 --> 01:28:23,112 And when you fight it, you ask the Court of Appeal judges 1440 01:28:23,113 --> 01:28:26,352 to sleep with their families under a TETRA phone mast. 1441 01:28:26,353 --> 01:28:29,520 That ought to concentrate their minds. 118069

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