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Dark ambient music
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[watch ticking]
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[Tape warps]
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[Watch ticking]
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One, two...
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Three, four, five...
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Six, seven, eight, nine...
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[Metronome ticking]
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This is the most terrible thing
that's ever happened in Lincoln.
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Her hands were
bound in front of her,
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and there was a
gag on her mouth.
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[Man vo] It was the first of
its kind... these rebels without
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a cause killing
people for no reason.
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You could feel the fear
just on the TV itself.
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[Man vo] Charley starkweather
saw himself as James Dean.
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I think he's crazy.
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[Man vo] Caril always
wanted to be somebody.
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She wanted to be a star.
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[Woman vo] I thought, "oh, wow,
is she a hard-lookin' broad."
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[Man vo] I see,
really, a scared little girl.
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[Man vo] The only two people
who witnessed what went on were
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Charles
starkweather and caril fugate,
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and everybody else is dead.
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[TV flicks off]
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Ominous music
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Charley and caril travelled
all the way across the state of
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Nebraska, which finally
comes to its climax in Wyoming,
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when he's wrestling with
somebody in the middle of the
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street, about to
kill his 12th victim,
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and she's about to see it...
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And she sees the
police officer over there.
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That's where it explodes.
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She is getting
away from Charley.
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She's thinking, "i
have to get to this man.
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I have to get to this police
officer and this has to end."
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It was not a capture.
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She had escaped.
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She escaped.
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She saw a cop car.
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He was armed.
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She ran in a zig-zag pattern.
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She's thinking, "at
last, I found a police car!"
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She said, "that's
Charles starkweather!
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Arrest him!"
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Of course, they arrested her.
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She could have fought
extradition back to Nebraska.
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But again, she's a
14-year-old child;
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she doesn't know
what's going on.
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And they didn't
give her a lawyer.
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[Battisti vo] She
signed extradition papers.
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She said, "I thought I had to
sign something so I could leave
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and go home to mom!"
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She goes, "yeah, I
wanna go back to Nebraska!"
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She wanted to see her mother!
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Right then is when her
next nightmare began.
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[commotion and cameras flashing]
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[Battisti vo] When she
first got into the jail,
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she became hysterical, probably
because she was relieved,
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you know, and then she
could let it all out.
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She said, "where's my mother?
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Where's my mother?
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Why doesn't my mother call me?
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When is she gonna call me?"
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And Hazel heflin,
sheriff heflin's wife,
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said, "well, you
know, right now,
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the lines are very busy and,
um, I'm sure they'll be calling
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you later."
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And then, she
said to her husband,
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"I don't think she
knows her family's dead."
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That she was in Wyoming.
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Caril said, "don't
leave me, don't leave me,
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he's gonna come and get me."
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And mrs heflin would
say, "he can't get you.
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He's in jail."
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"No, he will,"
you know, "he will,
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he will."
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And that's when she got
the hypodermic needle.
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Because she was so hysterical.
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And it knocked her out so
that she slept for 17 hours.
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Well, by the time the
prosecutors got there to talk to
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her, she was out of it.
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Her parents are dead.
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Everybody just
keeps saying, "later,
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caril, later."
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And it isn't until
she's in gering, Nebraska
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that gertrude karnopp
just very coldly turns to her
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and goes, "well,
don't you know, caril?
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They're dead."
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[Battisti vo] And
that's when caril said,
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"you're lying to
me, they're not dead,
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they're not dead,
they're not dead,
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they're not dead."
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She was still very, very
confused at that point.
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She said, "what are all
these people talking about?
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My family's alive.
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I'm gonna see them
when I get back.
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When I see my sister, I'll know
what happened when I see Barb."
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They were taken back separately
extradited back to Nebraska.
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When Charley starkweather was
arrested and caril was captured,
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it was sort of like a win
for the police department.
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Karnopp and scheele, they got
their man and they're driving
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back.
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A key thing that must have
spoiled it was when Charley
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starkweather admitted
to killing colvert;
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he did that on the drive back.
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Tense music
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Elmer scheele and
sheriff karnopp,
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they knew they were still
under a lot of pressure.
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What was gonna be revealed to
the public was further stain on
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their reputation, further
stain on the police department.
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[Jeff mcarthur vo]
This was a huge story,
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known everywhere.
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They should have gotten Charley
the month before in December,
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when he had
murdered somebody else.
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They certainly had
enough information,
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other witnesses, other
evidence, but they hadn't,
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and Charley himself was kind
of teasing them about that.
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And caril left clues behind
for them for them to find.
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At the bartlett house,
caril made the note that said,
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"we're sick with the
flu, don't come in,"
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and then at the bottom
wrote, "miss bartlett,"
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and she underlined "miss
bartlett" three times,
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and the reason she did this was
it was a way of sending a signal
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to people out in the world
without Charley recognizing it.
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Dark music
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because caril went by "fugate."
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Her mother went
by "mrs barlett,"
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which was more
important at that time.
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"Mrs bartlett."
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The only "miss barlett" in
the house was this two-year-old
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half-sister of hers.
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And of course, she couldn't
have written a note like that,
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and so that was the reason she
underlined it three times: To
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simply say to people
"something is wrong."
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And the police
were just like, "ah,
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you're crazy.
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We're not gonna go
investigate that any further."
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And so if she got out
there saying to people,
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"hey, I left clues behind," that
made them look all the worse.
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It became more in their own
personal best interest to
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prosecute her because of the
fact that then it turns the
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narrative away from "why
didn't they catch these people?"
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To "look at this
14-year-old girl,
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and look, it's the
new Bonnie and Clyde."
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[Faint commotion]
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[O'Donnell vo] The
public, when they saw Charley,
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here was a teenage murderer,
cigarette hangin' out of his
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mouth, rough-lookin'
he fit the part.
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So there was no sympathy
for Charles starkweather in
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this state.
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[Jeff mcarthur vo]
When she was brought back,
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for the most part, the
prosecution just simply knew
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they didn't have to go to the
press... the press was coming to
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them... so they
would just simply say,
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"we charged her with accessory
of murder" and fed them little
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bits and pieces of evidence just
from one single point-of-view.
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So, like, when you look at those
early pictures of her when she's
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being brought back, the
reporters are wanting to talk to
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her, but they've rolled up all
the windows and they won't let
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her speak to anybody, and they
wouldn't even let anybody tell
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her what they're reporting.
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[Shutter clicks]
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[Wright vo] Most of the
pictures that I've taken were
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done with this camera.
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1950, I'd just gotten out of
school and came to a job with
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the Lincoln star.
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My primary job was
to take the film, not stills.
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Try shooting stills and movies.
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This is a picture of caril
Ann fugate here in Lincoln.
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[O'Donnell vo] Public opinion
in Nebraska at the time was
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horribly against
caril Ann fugate.
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99 percent of the people in
this state felt that she was a
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willing accomplice.
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[Battisti vo] When she
was brought back to town,
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she arrived in Lincoln at night.
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And they put her in
that mental institution.
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She still really wasn't
clear about her family.
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One of the things that we
often see when people experience
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profound psychological
trauma is that there's this...
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Intense, almost desperate
attempt to hold onto hope.
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[Battisti vo] It didn't
register with her that they were
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all dead until she
saw her sister in the
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mental institution.
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And she said, "are
they dead, Barb?"
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And she said, "yes,
caril, they are."
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And she said, "that was the
time I knew that they were dead,
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because I knew my sister
would never lie to me."
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[Tape warps]
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[Metronome ticking]
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[Soft crying]
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[Crying] Stupid!
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[Inhales sharply]
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Dead!
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[Crying] Dead!
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They were dead!
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[Cries]
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[Crying] I failed, I failed...
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[Crying] They lied...
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[Tape clicks off]
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[Writing on paper]
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[Battisti vo] I
really enjoy true crime,
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and [chuckling] I
enjoy murder mysteries...
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Knowing what's behind
murder, horrible things.
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And I began reading
about Charles starkweather,
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and I thought, "wow,
that was a bad guy,
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you know, he
killed 11 people and...
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Killed people he
didn't even know.
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And his
girlfriend went with him."
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And I thought, "she
must be horrible!
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She must be just like he is.
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She must have been a... a little
tramp just out... she hated her
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parents, I mean, she cussed
and smoked and did all that.
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What a horrible girl!"
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But then, I started...
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Thinking about things.
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I thought, "this
is really strange.
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I really don't know
this young woman."
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And really, that's
what drew me in.
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I wanted to get to know her.
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I ordered the trial transcripts.
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When I read caril's trial, I
read it over and over again,
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and...
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I said, "John mcarthur
proved this girl's innocence.
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What happened?"
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It was after two years I
really wanted to write a book.
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I've never read more in my life.
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It took me 15 years
to write this book.
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I was drawn to caril because
I never in my life would have
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thought...
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Police officers or
prosecutors or judges would...
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Would do wrong things.
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They just don't do that!
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When I first met her, I stayed
at her apartment with her,
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and I brought my
recorder up then so...
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She had an apartment,
a lovely apartment.
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She sews... she's a wonderful
seamstress... so she made
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everything... all her curtains,
she made the bed spread,
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everything.
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And she had this
bird flying loose.
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I've always been
afraid of birds,
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and that bird was
flying around everywhere.
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Because she told me, "I will
never have anything caged in my
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house," and I
thought, "I get it but..."
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[Laughs]
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Yeah.
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Tense music
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when she's
speaking with her sister,
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I had given caril
a blank recorder,
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and I said, "here's what i'd
like you to do: Just sit down
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with Barb, have a nice
chat, and run the recorder."
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[Caril on recording]
Yeah, it's flashing.
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Um, Linda, my sister and
i, we're just gonna talk.
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And then, uh, we'll just let you
edit it and put it where you...
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In the area you
think it belongs.
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Dark music
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our father was an alcoholic.
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He had that personality
of a Jekyll and Hyde.
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[Keys jingling]
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You never really knew what our
dad was gonna be like until he
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opened the door and came in.
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So my mom would have
us hide in the closet.
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[Distant man
shouting indistinctly]
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Most of it was verbal abuse.
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Then, this one time he
physically got in with her.
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He was arrested several times.
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One was corrupting a minor.
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That's a nice way of
saying he had sex with a minor.
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[Caril on recording]
Nothing was stable.
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You could come home from school
and your whole house would be
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packed with a bunch of boxes...
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Most of the time, probably
because we were evicted.
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And so they moved around
a lot, until she got married the
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second time.
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And I can remember my mother was
telling me that one of the best
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things that happened to velda
was when she married Marion.
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Tender music
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[battisti vo] She loved
Marion and called him "father,"
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because she said, "I never had
a father until he married my
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mother."
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And after Betty Jean was born,
every time Marion bought Betty
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Jean something, he bought
Barb and caril something too.
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And he said, "these
aren't my stepdaughters,
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these are my daughters,
these are my children.
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Tell me the first time that you
remember Charley and how you met
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him and...
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[Caril on recording] Um,
the first time I met him,
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my sister had brought him down.
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We double-dated and
we'd go to drive-ins.
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Go ahead and open it.
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Dramatic music
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[caril on recording]
And after we'd seen that,
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it was like...
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I could not open the
door to our apartment.
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I would knock on the door, and
then I'd run back and I'd wait
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until somebody opened the door.
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Ominous music
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I just could not open that door
'cause I knew the monster was
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behind it.
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[Battisti on recording] Did you
think Charley was really cool?
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[Caril on recording]
Yeah, in the beginning,
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I really did.
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He did remind me of, you
know, like James Dean.
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He was... he was
fun, he was funny.
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When he smiled, his
whole face would light up.
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But then, it also gave
you a sense of... well,
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when you're that age and
then there's an older boy is
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interested in you, it
makes you feel like...
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You're worth something.
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There were numerous times when
he would ask me to marry him,
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and I'd tell him
I was too young,
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that I didn't even
know what love was.
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[Battisti on recording] Um...
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Did you ever notice Charley
changing at any time, caril?
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[Caril on
recording] Yeah, he did.
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I started withdrawing from him
because he started fantasizing
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more and...
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You know, like he would get a
better job and he had this and
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he had that.
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He would say, like,
he was born too late,
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that he should have been
born back when the west was
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still wild.
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He'd get in this...
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Accusing me of things, you know,
and he started going into this
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accusation constantly,
just driving me crazy, you know?
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"Well, what did
you say at school?
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Who did you talk to?"
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And it was like he was
trying to control...
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Every minute of my
breathing existence.
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She she told Charley that she
didn't want to see him anymore,
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and she told her
mother to tell Charley,
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if he came around
when she wasn't there,
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not to come around anymore.
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[Caril on recording] When I
broke up with him and he left
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that Sunday, I
never, ever again...
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Seen...
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The Charles
starkweather that I knew.
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He's basically put so much
of his own life into her,
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and that's why, when
she broke up with him,
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he fell apart.
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Ominous music
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[caril on recording]
When this happened,
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and I came home
from school that day,
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and I opened the door...
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Dramatic music
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there was the
monster behind the door.
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[Battisti vo] Her
mother was never,
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never not at home when
caril came home from school.
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So she believed him
immediately when he said,
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"I've kidnapped your parents
and your younger sister."
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[Man vo] Caril, what happened
to you when you came home from
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school on that Tuesday?
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[Girl vo] He was
standing behind the door when
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I walked in.
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I don't remember
whether he grabbed me or not.
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He said for me to sit
down on the couch or chair,
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and then I asked him where
where my folks were 'cause they
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were gone.
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And then, he told me that story.
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[Man vo] Which story was that?
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[Girl vo] He told me my folks
were over at that old lady's
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house and he said if I
done what he told me to do,
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then they wouldn't be hurt.
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[Battisti vo] Then, he told her
his friends were right outside
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the door to her house too,
so if she tried to escape,
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they would shoot her.
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She said, "you're crazy.
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What is all this?
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You're a fool, what
are you talking about?"
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He said, "sit down."
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And she said, "no, i'm
not gonna sit down."
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And then, he slapped her so
hard that she had to sit down.
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And she told me, "I didn't
know who that person was.
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That was not the
starkweather I knew."
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[Man vo] Then, what
did you and he do.
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[Girl vo] We watched television.
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[Battisti vo] It would
be five days in the house.
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Caril really was in a fog.
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She was just so afraid
of being there with him.
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He wouldn't let her
out of the house.
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The only time he would allow her
out of the house was to collect
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mail, and then he would
always be watching her.
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She said not a lot happened.
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They watched a lot of TV.
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But in the meantime, there
are three bodies in the sheds
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out back.
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[Man vo] Now,
during that time, caril,
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did you go to the bathroom?
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[Girl vo] Yes.
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[Man vo] There in the home?
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[Girl vo] Yes.
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[Man vo] You have a
new bathroom there,
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is that right?
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[Girl vo] Yes.
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We talk about
the Miranda rights.
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That didn't happen
until the 1960s,
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and so there's no...
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Definite right that you
had to be given an attorney,
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but typically, people
knew to ask for one.
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But a 14-year-old child doesn't
know anything about that,
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so the police just came in,
knowing that they had already
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pressed charges on her,
never told her they're pressing
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charges against her... anything
she's saying can and will be
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used against her in court...
Pretending they're just getting
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information about Charley but
really building the case against
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her.
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[Man vo] Now, then, caril,
during that time that you were
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in the house out
there, did you...
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Have sexual relations
with Charles starkweather?
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[Girl vo] I don't think so.
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I know what you mean.
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[Man vo] Do you
know what I mean?
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[Girl vo] Yes.
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He has no problem
bringing all this up...
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To show, in their view,
that she wasn't a hostage,
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that there was a real romantic
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and sexual
relationship going on.
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[Man vo] Did he, at any time,
have his sexual organ our in
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your presence?
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[Girl vo] No.
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I... don't know what you mean.
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[Battisti vo] I don't think
they had a clue what being a
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14-year-old
little girl is about.
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Plus, they had a preconceived
idea about caril... that she was
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a tramp and that she
had experienced sex,
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which back then in '50s...
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That was horrible.
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I mean, you couldn't even be an
unwed mother back in the '50s.
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[Man vo] Did he, at
any time, put his...
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Penis up in your... sexual organ?
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[Girl vo] Yes.
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[Man vo] And did he
stick it in very far?
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[Girl vo] No.
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[Man vo] Did he
put it in slightly?
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[Girl vo] He didn't
put it in an inch.
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[Man vo] He put it
in... less than an inch?
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[Girl vo] Yes.
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[Man vo] He did put it
in but less than an inch,
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is that right?
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[Girl vo] Yes.
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[Man vo] What was the reason
he didn't put it in further?
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[Girl vo] It hurt.
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Dale fahrnbruch, the prosecutor,
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he was very, very interested in
her sex life with starkweather
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for some reason.
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You know, now that
she was an adult,
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she said, "he was impotent;
He couldn't have an erection.
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But I didn't know
that at that age."
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[Man vo] Now, caril, I believe
you also told me earlier that
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you told Charles on the way
to Wyoming that you loved him.
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Is that true?
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[Girl vo] Yes.
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I think so.
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[Man vo] And did you tell him
that on more than one occasion?
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[Girl vo] Yes.
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[Man vo] And what was your
reason for telling him that?
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[Girl vo] I was
afraid he might kill me.
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[Caril on recording] It
was actually nothing but...
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Days of being verbally,
emotionally battered...
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By adults...
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Who did not take into
consideration that this was a
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child doing the best they
could to relay to them...
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The horror that she had seen!
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[Man vo] And how many
times would you say,
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caril, you stayed in the
house while he went away?
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[Girl vo] Almost
about every night.
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He tied me up when
he left the house,
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but he didn't tie me
up tight so it hurt.
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Caril was thinking, "my family
is being held by Charley's gang
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of robbers " and that " if I try
to get away or warn or do this
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or that, he would
have them killed."
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Dark music
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to protect themselves, a
response that people will have
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in extreme trauma
is tonic immobility.
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[Distant man
shouting indistinctly]
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It's as if the body
or, in this case,
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the mind is just frozen.
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Collapsing, but it can also be a
situation where it's more of a
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mental state of just being
completely unable to make the
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ordinary decisions, to
think things through,
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to see things in the way
that one ordinarily does.
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Predator will just go limp.
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It almost looks like
they're feigning death,
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and sometimes, they will
actually almost have no heart
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rate.
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The predators would
just drop the prey and...
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Go do something else.
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Suspenseful music
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[commotion]
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Charley originally said caril
had nothing to do with any of
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the killings.
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Houses out behind the house.
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But caril came home
about four that afternoon.
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00:28:53,260 --> 00:28:56,980
I told her a line that
they were somewhere.
495
00:28:57,180 --> 00:28:59,740
I was gonna tell her
about what happened,
496
00:28:59,940 --> 00:29:02,240
but I was letting it go by,
and before I said anything,
497
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,240
the days went by too fast.
498
00:29:05,660 --> 00:29:09,200
At that point, he still had
not turned quite against caril,
499
00:29:09,410 --> 00:29:13,080
even though he gave different
confessions here and there.
500
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:15,250
But he wanted to see her.
501
00:29:15,450 --> 00:29:20,090
Dale fahrnbruch and Elmer
scheele would be talking to her.
502
00:29:20,290 --> 00:29:22,220
And they said, "no, she
doesn't wanna see you."
503
00:29:22,420 --> 00:29:26,100
Well, they know you can't
see her... period... anyway.
504
00:29:26,300 --> 00:29:27,890
Two codefendants?
505
00:29:28,090 --> 00:29:30,770
They're not permitted
to speak to each other.
506
00:29:30,970 --> 00:29:33,270
They can't see each other,
they can't write to each other,
507
00:29:33,470 --> 00:29:36,020
they can't pass
messages to each other.
508
00:29:36,220 --> 00:29:38,230
It wasn't done.
509
00:29:38,430 --> 00:29:40,110
But scheele said,
"well, you know,
510
00:29:40,310 --> 00:29:42,910
maybe we could get
a letter to caril."
511
00:29:43,110 --> 00:29:46,280
Tense ambient music
512
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:49,040
so on February 7th, Charley
writes his letter to caril,
513
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,290
and it is such a
casual kind of letter.
514
00:29:52,490 --> 00:29:56,130
She had not seen Charley
since they were on the road,
515
00:29:56,330 --> 00:29:58,800
since she had seen him
kill all these people.
516
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,800
[Charles vo]
February 7th, 1958.
517
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,130
Dear caril, how are you?
518
00:30:04,340 --> 00:30:06,050
Okay, I hope.
519
00:30:06,250 --> 00:30:08,140
They said I cannot see you
520
00:30:08,340 --> 00:30:10,810
'til they get done
talking to you so...
521
00:30:11,010 --> 00:30:13,270
I'm hoping I can see you then.
522
00:30:13,470 --> 00:30:18,070
That is, if you
would want to see me.
523
00:30:18,270 --> 00:30:21,940
I'm sorry about your
mom, dad, and sister.
524
00:30:22,140 --> 00:30:24,950
I would like to
know something...
525
00:30:25,150 --> 00:30:27,246
Did you think that I would
have killed you when we got to
526
00:30:27,270 --> 00:30:29,080
Washington?
527
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:33,960
I told you I could not
shoot you if I had to.
528
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,346
And one more thing I would like
to know: Them things you were
529
00:30:36,370 --> 00:30:39,090
saying when we were
on the road, like...
530
00:30:39,290 --> 00:30:41,960
When I asked you
if you hate me...
531
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:45,180
And I think you know what
the rest of them were...
532
00:30:45,380 --> 00:30:47,300
Was you just
giving me a line or...
533
00:30:47,500 --> 00:30:49,850
What was you?
534
00:30:50,050 --> 00:30:51,350
Write back if you will.
535
00:30:51,550 --> 00:30:53,180
Please.
536
00:30:53,380 --> 00:30:55,190
Chuck.
537
00:30:55,390 --> 00:30:59,190
Ps you know damn well
I would never shoot you.
538
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:06,320
[Girl vo] Chuck...
539
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:07,990
I don't want to see you...
540
00:31:08,190 --> 00:31:12,870
Because I might do something I
would be sorry for later on.
541
00:31:13,070 --> 00:31:15,120
Elmer scheele brought to
Charley the note from caril
542
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:18,000
saying that she didn't
want to see him and,
543
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:19,880
while Charley's in the
bad mood, also said,
544
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,176
"and by the way, she's been
saying that you're crazy."
545
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,130
That's the one thing Charley
did not want anybody to ever say
546
00:31:25,330 --> 00:31:27,220
about him, let alone
his ex-girlfriend,
547
00:31:27,420 --> 00:31:30,010
the girl who he
thought he had control over.
548
00:31:30,210 --> 00:31:31,390
But who facilitated that?
549
00:31:31,590 --> 00:31:34,020
The cops and the prosecutors.
550
00:31:34,220 --> 00:31:39,140
They wanted to
turn him against her.
551
00:31:39,350 --> 00:31:44,150
She is practicing
writing a letter...
552
00:31:44,350 --> 00:31:49,280
On the back page of judge
Harry Spencer's stationary.
553
00:31:50,990 --> 00:31:54,910
Well, you just don't go out
and get a judge's stationary.
554
00:31:55,110 --> 00:31:58,160
He had to give it to somebody.
555
00:31:58,660 --> 00:32:01,170
This just isn't
legal malpractice,
556
00:32:01,370 --> 00:32:03,170
this is evil.
557
00:32:03,370 --> 00:32:05,260
They wanted her to
be put into prison;
558
00:32:05,460 --> 00:32:08,050
they wanted her to be guilty.
559
00:32:08,250 --> 00:32:11,930
Tense ambient music
560
00:32:12,130 --> 00:32:14,060
he thought to himself,
"here's this gal I love,
561
00:32:14,260 --> 00:32:16,270
who was gonna go out with
me in a Blaze of glory,
562
00:32:16,470 --> 00:32:21,060
James Dean, the whole
thing, and she's turning on me."
563
00:32:21,260 --> 00:32:22,786
So he's like, "okay, well,
let me tell you what really
564
00:32:22,810 --> 00:32:26,400
happened," and that's when
he started saying that she
565
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,280
committed these murders.
566
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:30,246
And that's when his story
changed every single time he
567
00:32:30,270 --> 00:32:32,070
told it.
568
00:32:41,140 --> 00:32:46,300
His life today with the attitude
of an interested bystander.
569
00:32:46,500 --> 00:32:49,220
[O'Donnell vo] Charley's trial
was interesting in the fact they
570
00:32:49,420 --> 00:32:53,220
were charging him with
first-degree murder for the
571
00:32:53,420 --> 00:32:55,970
killing of Robert Jensen.
572
00:32:56,170 --> 00:33:00,440
They picked the Jensen murder to
prosecute because they felt that
573
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,310
was the easiest one to prove.
574
00:33:03,510 --> 00:33:08,110
There was such a juxtaposition
between this 17-year-old student
575
00:33:08,310 --> 00:33:11,990
council president,
and here was Charley.
576
00:33:12,190 --> 00:33:13,450
[Gavel banging]
577
00:33:13,650 --> 00:33:15,296
[Man] Charles Raymond
starkweather is called as a
578
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:19,120
witness on his own behalf.
579
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,250
State your full name, please.
580
00:33:21,450 --> 00:33:23,500
Charles Raymond starkweather.
581
00:33:23,700 --> 00:33:25,340
[Man] How old are you, Charles?
582
00:33:25,540 --> 00:33:27,000
[Charles] 19.
583
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:27,880
Charley...
584
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:33,530
Wanted to plead "not guilty" by
the reason of all the killings
585
00:33:33,730 --> 00:33:36,010
were in self-defense.
586
00:33:36,210 --> 00:33:37,010
Now...
587
00:33:37,210 --> 00:33:39,270
That one's a stretch.
588
00:33:39,470 --> 00:33:43,020
[Man] Charley, do you feel
any remorse or sorrow for these
589
00:33:43,220 --> 00:33:44,520
people that you've killed.
590
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:46,480
[Charles] I won't answer that.
591
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,280
[Man] But you do feel that
every one of them that were
592
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,530
killed, you killed
in self-defense,
593
00:33:51,730 --> 00:33:54,160
is that correct?
594
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:56,160
[Charles] The
ones I killed, yes.
595
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:57,660
[Audience murmuring]
596
00:33:57,860 --> 00:33:59,546
[Jeff mcarthur vo] Charley's
attorney is at a total loss as
597
00:33:59,570 --> 00:34:01,040
to what to do.
598
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,346
Then, he thinks, "well,
there is another person there.
599
00:34:03,370 --> 00:34:07,380
Tense music
600
00:34:07,580 --> 00:34:09,550
and if she was the
one manipulating him,
601
00:34:09,750 --> 00:34:12,170
then let's point the finger at
her and say that Charley was a
602
00:34:12,370 --> 00:34:14,050
victim of manipulation."
603
00:34:14,250 --> 00:34:18,390
So from then on, the defense
attorney's whole reasoning in
604
00:34:18,590 --> 00:34:21,520
Charley's trial was
"it's caril's fault."
605
00:34:21,720 --> 00:34:25,060
The prosecution, also knowing
that they're going to be trying
606
00:34:25,260 --> 00:34:27,560
caril soon, instead of
fighting against them,
607
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,070
suddenly, they're both
in agreement... "Yeah,
608
00:34:30,270 --> 00:34:32,190
it's caril's fault"
and they went,
609
00:34:32,390 --> 00:34:33,430
both, right along with it.
610
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:34,110
[Gavel banging]
611
00:34:34,310 --> 00:34:37,530
[Man vo] Helen l starkweather
is called as a witness on behalf
612
00:34:37,730 --> 00:34:39,200
of the defendant.
613
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:41,580
[Helen] Soon after he
started going with caril,
614
00:34:41,780 --> 00:34:44,580
it seemed like his
family was pushed behind,
615
00:34:44,780 --> 00:34:48,090
and his whole life
centered around her.
616
00:34:48,290 --> 00:34:51,210
She seemed to
have a hold on him.
617
00:34:51,410 --> 00:34:52,710
[Audience murmuring]
618
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:56,090
And so much of what people
now believe happened comes from
619
00:34:56,290 --> 00:34:59,350
that, comes from this
trial where there was nobody
620
00:34:59,550 --> 00:35:02,260
representing caril fugate.
621
00:35:02,550 --> 00:35:07,600
During that trial, Charley
testified and blamed caril Ann
622
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:12,570
fugate for killing Carol king.
623
00:35:12,770 --> 00:35:14,770
[Man] Charley, in your
confession pertaining to the
624
00:35:14,810 --> 00:35:19,240
Jensen case, right after
you left the cave out there,
625
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,370
I think your confession said
that you were mad at caril about
626
00:35:22,570 --> 00:35:23,580
something.
627
00:35:23,780 --> 00:35:25,370
What were you mad at
her about, Charley?
628
00:35:25,570 --> 00:35:26,620
What she did.
629
00:35:26,820 --> 00:35:28,630
[Man] And what did she do there?
630
00:35:28,830 --> 00:35:30,460
[Charles] Shot Carol king.
631
00:35:30,660 --> 00:35:31,780
[Audience gasps and murmurs]
632
00:35:31,830 --> 00:35:34,590
[Man]
She... shot... Carol... king?
633
00:35:34,790 --> 00:35:36,630
[Charles] Yes, sir.
634
00:35:36,830 --> 00:35:38,390
Which was a bombshell.
635
00:35:38,590 --> 00:35:40,140
The courtroom just was stunned.
636
00:35:40,340 --> 00:35:45,300
Suspenseful music
637
00:35:47,720 --> 00:35:49,826
[male reporter vo] A smiling,
nodding Charles starkweather
638
00:35:49,850 --> 00:35:52,270
walked out of the Lancaster
county district courtroom a
639
00:35:52,470 --> 00:35:54,480
little after three
o'clock this afternoon...
640
00:35:54,690 --> 00:35:57,400
A man ordered to die
in the electric chair.
641
00:35:57,600 --> 00:35:59,660
Jury members ordered
the death penalty.
642
00:35:59,860 --> 00:36:02,280
The 19-year-old former Lincoln
garbage collector took the
643
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,761
verdict with the apparent
indifference that had marked his
644
00:36:04,820 --> 00:36:07,160
manner throughout the trial.
645
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:10,290
Here comes... here comes
Charles starkweather now,
646
00:36:10,490 --> 00:36:13,170
this time a cigarette
is lighting, smiling.
647
00:36:13,370 --> 00:36:14,846
[Male reporter] What do you
think of the verdict, Charles?
648
00:36:14,870 --> 00:36:16,630
[Male reporter] I
see Charley, thank you.
649
00:36:16,830 --> 00:36:18,476
[Male reporter] What do you
think of the verdict, Charles?
650
00:36:18,500 --> 00:36:21,550
[Charles] Yeah, it was fair.
651
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:23,816
[Male reporter] All right,
we had a very short word with
652
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:25,856
Charles starkweather there in
which he said that he thought
653
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:27,430
the verdict was fair.
654
00:36:34,730 --> 00:36:37,530
Starkweather was
gonna be convicted.
655
00:36:37,730 --> 00:36:42,700
There was more of a question
about whether caril would be
656
00:36:42,900 --> 00:36:48,240
convicted of first-degree
murder or a lesser charge.
657
00:36:48,740 --> 00:36:53,790
But, in all likelihood, the
die had been cast at that point.
658
00:36:54,290 --> 00:36:58,550
Nobody in those jury rooms
didn't know about this case.
659
00:36:58,750 --> 00:36:59,450
[James mcarthur vo] The
general feeling in the public,
660
00:36:59,650 --> 00:37:03,470
there was no question... they
absolutely believed caril was
661
00:37:03,670 --> 00:37:05,220
guilty.
662
00:37:05,420 --> 00:37:08,730
I know the police were very
strongly wanting to see her
663
00:37:08,930 --> 00:37:10,690
convicted.
664
00:37:10,890 --> 00:37:13,480
There was so much
pressure against caril.
665
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:17,360
The crime was so horrific,
involved so many people... and
666
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:22,430
very prominent people... that
it just wasn't good enough that
667
00:37:22,630 --> 00:37:27,370
just one person...
Starkweather... be found guilty.
668
00:37:27,570 --> 00:37:32,250
If the crime is so horrific, the
public kind of seems to demand
669
00:37:32,450 --> 00:37:37,420
that the perpetrators be as
broad as the crime itself is.
670
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,510
[Battisti vo] She was a juvenile
and should have been tried
671
00:37:43,710 --> 00:37:45,510
in juvenile court;
The statute was very,
672
00:37:45,710 --> 00:37:48,390
very clear on that.
673
00:37:48,590 --> 00:37:53,520
It was as if there was a tacit
assumption among the judges...
674
00:37:53,720 --> 00:37:58,770
And the prosecutors that
"we're gonna go for her.
675
00:37:58,980 --> 00:38:01,740
We were really made
fun of, you know,
676
00:38:01,940 --> 00:38:04,410
because we couldn't
catch starkweather.
677
00:38:04,610 --> 00:38:06,410
There's egg on our face."
678
00:38:06,610 --> 00:38:10,410
So I think it was "let's
sacrifice this young girl for a
679
00:38:10,610 --> 00:38:10,950
couple of years.
680
00:38:11,150 --> 00:38:13,290
She's gonna get out eventually."
681
00:38:13,490 --> 00:38:16,420
Tense music
682
00:38:16,620 --> 00:38:20,460
there were certain factors
at play when this happened.
683
00:38:20,750 --> 00:38:25,300
Both Elmer scheele and sheriff
karnopp were up for reelection
684
00:38:25,500 --> 00:38:28,310
that year.
685
00:38:28,510 --> 00:38:31,640
[Man vo] I think of all the
participants on the prosecution
686
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:35,560
side, county attorney scheele
probably would have been the
687
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:37,560
most vulnerable.
688
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:41,780
He could very well have wound
up losing his position had caril
689
00:38:41,980 --> 00:38:43,820
been acquitted.
690
00:38:44,020 --> 00:38:46,780
The fact of the matter is the
police were under incredible
691
00:38:46,980 --> 00:38:48,780
pressure.
692
00:38:48,980 --> 00:38:52,830
Not everybody
necessarily played fair.
693
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:54,580
[James mcarthur
vo] Out in Wyoming,
694
00:38:54,780 --> 00:38:57,330
where caril and
Charley were caught,
695
00:38:57,530 --> 00:38:59,460
when the authorities
from Nebraska came,
696
00:38:59,660 --> 00:39:01,460
they came with the idea...
697
00:39:01,660 --> 00:39:03,670
That caril was guilty.
698
00:39:03,870 --> 00:39:06,016
They were making accusations
against caril which couldn't
699
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:08,850
possibly have been true.
700
00:39:09,050 --> 00:39:11,600
Then, of course, there was that
matter of that she had written a
701
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,600
note that she was
being held hostage.
702
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:18,480
Tense music
703
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:19,866
[battisti vo] She
wrote a note saying,
704
00:39:19,890 --> 00:39:23,690
"help, police, don't ignore."
705
00:39:23,890 --> 00:39:25,860
And she kept that in her pocket.
706
00:39:26,570 --> 00:39:31,490
And her intention was when
she was able to pass that on to
707
00:39:31,690 --> 00:39:33,500
somebody...
708
00:39:33,700 --> 00:39:36,710
[James mcarthur vo] They found
it in Wyoming in the pocket of
709
00:39:36,910 --> 00:39:41,500
the jacket she was
wearing, and mrs heflin,
710
00:39:41,700 --> 00:39:45,380
she helped her husband put
various pieces of evidence in a
711
00:39:45,580 --> 00:39:47,380
box...
712
00:39:47,580 --> 00:39:51,890
And sent it all back to
the sheriff back here.
713
00:39:52,090 --> 00:39:56,640
She was disgusted to learn that
all of the evidence... except
714
00:39:56,840 --> 00:40:00,650
for one piece, and that was
that note... came back here.
715
00:40:05,850 --> 00:40:06,900
And someone went...
716
00:40:07,100 --> 00:40:08,820
"Oh.
[Laughs]
717
00:40:09,020 --> 00:40:13,540
'Help, police, don't ignore?'
What do I do with this?"
718
00:40:13,740 --> 00:40:16,580
It was deep-sixed.
719
00:40:19,660 --> 00:40:21,980
[Jeff mcarthur vo] When my
grandfather became her attorney,
720
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:23,670
she just stared
talking about Charley,
721
00:40:23,870 --> 00:40:25,226
and he goes,
"okay, that's all good,
722
00:40:25,250 --> 00:40:26,936
but we need to start
preparing for your case,"
723
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:28,880
and she just went, "what
are you talking about?"
724
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:30,760
And he says, "well,
they charged you,"
725
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:32,640
and she goes, "what
are you talking about?!
726
00:40:32,750 --> 00:40:34,890
I didn't do... Charley
did all the stuff!"
727
00:40:35,090 --> 00:40:37,430
And my grandfather had to tell
her that her life was on the
728
00:40:37,630 --> 00:40:38,890
line.
729
00:40:39,090 --> 00:40:40,560
Tense music
730
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:42,940
enter ninette beaver, who
goes to him and is like,
731
00:40:43,140 --> 00:40:46,940
"hey, we need to start telling
the public more about her.
732
00:40:47,140 --> 00:40:49,540
They're hearing all of these
rumors and all these things from
733
00:40:49,650 --> 00:40:51,450
Charley."
734
00:40:51,650 --> 00:40:53,626
My grandfather kept putting it
off because of the fact that he
735
00:40:53,650 --> 00:40:56,790
didn't want the trial to be all
about... through the newspapers.
736
00:40:56,990 --> 00:40:59,580
But she finally was able to
convince him because the rumor
737
00:40:59,780 --> 00:41:01,790
was getting spread around
that caril was pregnant,
738
00:41:01,990 --> 00:41:04,790
and she's like, "we have to put
her on camera so people see she
739
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:06,590
isn't pregnant."
740
00:41:06,790 --> 00:41:10,470
Ninette, she was wonderful, she
was like a pioneer in Nebraska
741
00:41:10,670 --> 00:41:11,220
television.
742
00:41:11,420 --> 00:41:14,970
I think she was the
first female TV reporter.
743
00:41:15,170 --> 00:41:16,646
[James mcarthur vo] Nothing
like this had ever been done on
744
00:41:16,670 --> 00:41:18,730
national television before.
745
00:41:18,930 --> 00:41:20,730
And so when they got
a chance to do it,
746
00:41:20,930 --> 00:41:25,480
this was a feature that was
shown and filmed for 'the today
747
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:26,680
show.'
748
00:41:32,940 --> 00:41:34,500
She'd never had
these clothes on before.
749
00:41:34,690 --> 00:41:36,950
This was all a new look.
750
00:41:37,150 --> 00:41:38,830
If anything, they
made her look too old.
751
00:41:39,030 --> 00:41:41,960
They made her look like a woman
who was 10 years older than...
752
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:44,960
Which was a very, very bad move.
753
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:47,960
So my grandfather was a
little worried that on national
754
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:50,510
television, she was going to...
755
00:41:50,710 --> 00:41:52,840
Get really
emotional, so he told her,
756
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:54,186
"don't let anything
rattle you, don't get,
757
00:41:54,210 --> 00:41:57,510
you know, too
excited, et cetera."
758
00:41:57,710 --> 00:41:59,850
Instead of letting
herself get emotional,
759
00:42:00,050 --> 00:42:02,770
she just went stone-cold, and
all of her answers were very
760
00:42:02,970 --> 00:42:04,650
robotic.
761
00:42:04,850 --> 00:42:06,980
Now, had you gone with
him for quite a while?
762
00:42:07,180 --> 00:42:08,860
Yes, I had went with
him the year before,
763
00:42:09,060 --> 00:42:10,530
and then...
764
00:42:10,730 --> 00:42:11,956
I told him I didn't
want to see him again,
765
00:42:11,980 --> 00:42:14,030
but he came back.
766
00:42:14,230 --> 00:42:16,206
Now, that Sunday, I told
him to leave and I didn't ever
767
00:42:16,230 --> 00:42:18,870
wanna see him again.
768
00:42:19,070 --> 00:42:20,870
Why?
769
00:42:21,070 --> 00:42:23,000
What had brought you
to this conclusion?
770
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:25,790
Why didn't you wanna
go with him anymore?
771
00:42:25,990 --> 00:42:28,040
I think he's crazy.
772
00:42:28,240 --> 00:42:31,800
[Ninette] Is it true that you
refused to let Charles give...
773
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,680
Give himself up after Bennet?
774
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:36,226
No, I wanted him
to give himself up,
775
00:42:36,250 --> 00:42:37,890
but he said he couldn't.
776
00:42:38,090 --> 00:42:39,650
[Ninette] He didn't
say why he couldn't?
777
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,560
He said one more killing
wouldn't make any difference.
778
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:44,236
[Ninette] And then, you knew
then that you were just gonna go
779
00:42:44,260 --> 00:42:46,020
on from there, is that right?
780
00:42:46,220 --> 00:42:47,690
No, I didn't.
781
00:42:47,890 --> 00:42:49,746
[Ninette] You just didn't
know what to think about it?
782
00:42:49,770 --> 00:42:51,570
No, after he had...
783
00:42:51,770 --> 00:42:54,030
After I heard the
shots from the...
784
00:42:54,230 --> 00:42:57,820
Teenager, I knew at any
minute, he could kill me.
785
00:42:58,020 --> 00:42:59,706
[Jeff mcarthur vo] What they
heard wasn't as important as
786
00:42:59,730 --> 00:43:03,040
what they were seeing, which
was this stone-cold woman.
787
00:43:03,240 --> 00:43:06,080
And even though she's a girl,
they just saw her as a woman,
788
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:11,170
and they just became more
convinced that she was a killer.
789
00:43:11,460 --> 00:43:14,920
Charles has said in his
confession that at times,
790
00:43:15,130 --> 00:43:17,050
you held the gun on
some of the victims.
791
00:43:17,250 --> 00:43:18,050
Is that true?
792
00:43:18,250 --> 00:43:19,930
No, it's not true.
793
00:43:20,130 --> 00:43:24,060
Now, out in, uh, Nebraska, a
filling station attendant said
794
00:43:24,260 --> 00:43:26,600
that, um...
795
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:29,160
Charles got out of the car and
went into the filling station
796
00:43:29,260 --> 00:43:32,070
and that you were sitting
there with a gun on your lap.
797
00:43:32,270 --> 00:43:34,940
Why didn't you, uh,
get away at that time?
798
00:43:35,150 --> 00:43:38,110
He had a knife and
he had a gun with him.
799
00:43:38,310 --> 00:43:40,650
Did you know how
to drive the car?
800
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:48,960
People just thought
she was unemotional,
801
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:52,750
uncaring, and it was easy for
them then to couple her with
802
00:43:52,950 --> 00:43:54,960
Charley.
803
00:43:55,170 --> 00:44:00,130
PTSD is really a physiological,
neurobiological shift into a
804
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:02,970
survival mode.
805
00:44:03,170 --> 00:44:05,770
For a person with
post-traumatic stress disorder,
806
00:44:05,970 --> 00:44:10,770
in some ways, it's actually
safer to feel nothing than it is
807
00:44:10,970 --> 00:44:14,110
to feel potentially
overwhelmed with anger,
808
00:44:14,310 --> 00:44:16,650
distress, fear, sadness.
809
00:44:16,850 --> 00:44:19,110
That can be very overwhelming.
810
00:44:19,310 --> 00:44:22,910
We heard, uh, a lot of rumors
right after you were brought
811
00:44:23,110 --> 00:44:26,120
back that, uh, you were
expecting a baby at the time you
812
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:27,910
were captured.
813
00:44:28,110 --> 00:44:29,346
Have you had a baby
since you've been here in...
814
00:44:29,370 --> 00:44:30,790
No, I haven't.
815
00:44:30,990 --> 00:44:32,790
I've never been pregnant and...
816
00:44:32,990 --> 00:44:34,170
I've never had a baby.
817
00:44:34,370 --> 00:44:37,010
Ominous music
818
00:44:37,210 --> 00:44:40,170
it was a public
relations disaster.
819
00:44:41,300 --> 00:44:43,010
[O'Donnell vo]
This was a shock.
820
00:44:43,210 --> 00:44:46,140
The public, when they
saw her and her interview,
821
00:44:46,340 --> 00:44:47,680
they just...
822
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:48,580
"Oh...
823
00:44:48,780 --> 00:44:52,190
She looks... like she could have
participated in everything that
824
00:44:52,390 --> 00:44:53,940
happened!"
825
00:44:54,140 --> 00:44:56,940
And... big mistake.
826
00:44:57,940 --> 00:45:02,190
Suspenseful music
827
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:10,136
[Male reporter vo] Caril Ann
fugate didn't seem like the
828
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:13,040
central figure in a first-degree
murder trial as she entered the
829
00:45:13,240 --> 00:45:16,960
courthouse, her hand clenched
tightly in that of mrs merle
830
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:20,170
karnopp, the sheriff's wife.
831
00:45:20,380 --> 00:45:24,180
Why did sheriff karnopp have to
do a perp walk with caril fugate
832
00:45:24,380 --> 00:45:27,970
every day down in the street?
833
00:45:28,170 --> 00:45:30,406
He could have parked right up at
the courthouse steps and let her
834
00:45:30,430 --> 00:45:32,190
out.
835
00:45:32,390 --> 00:45:34,860
His media savvy was incredible.
836
00:45:35,060 --> 00:45:39,860
He put caril on the front page
every single day in a way that
837
00:45:40,060 --> 00:45:44,740
any lawyer would not want
their defendant to be seen.
838
00:45:44,940 --> 00:45:47,990
That kind of stuff isn't
done today for a reason.
839
00:45:48,190 --> 00:45:50,176
[Male reporter vo] The
15-year-old fugate sat quietly
840
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:53,000
in the courtroom, seemingly
swallowed up in the oversized
841
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:56,750
lawyer's chair with a look
of forced attention on her
842
00:45:56,950 --> 00:45:59,130
perpetually-pouty face.
843
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:40,800
It came out in Charley's
trial a lot was "did she have
844
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:42,130
opportunity to get away?
845
00:46:42,330 --> 00:46:44,300
Was she his
accomplice or not accomplice?"
846
00:46:44,500 --> 00:46:49,840
But in her trial is where that
became the really big issue.
847
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:55,390
Tense ambient music
848
00:46:58,270 --> 00:47:01,320
[Larkin vo] He could have
easily exonerated her and got or
849
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:04,320
off quicker, or maybe it was
a few years in a reformatory.
850
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:08,320
No, he was dead-set
that she abandoned him,
851
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:10,950
she betrayed him, and he would
do anything he needed to do to
852
00:47:11,150 --> 00:47:13,080
take her down with him.
853
00:47:19,490 --> 00:47:21,170
Witness.
854
00:47:21,370 --> 00:47:23,346
At a certain point, everybody
just stopped listening to
855
00:47:23,370 --> 00:47:26,840
anything else that was going
on in the trial at that time,
856
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:29,970
and they... all the eyes
kept looking at the door.
857
00:47:30,170 --> 00:47:31,850
It was like this
sick fascination.
858
00:47:32,050 --> 00:47:34,100
"Charley
starkweather's gonna be here."
859
00:47:34,300 --> 00:47:36,420
He came in and he was
announced, and the doors opened.
860
00:47:36,550 --> 00:47:40,440
I mean, he might as well
have been a prince walking in.
861
00:47:41,060 --> 00:47:44,190
The last time caril had
seen Charley was in Wyoming,
862
00:47:44,390 --> 00:47:47,110
when she had run from him and
jumped into the police car.
863
00:47:47,310 --> 00:47:50,200
And since then, she had learned
that he had killed her family.
864
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:55,310
Tense music
865
00:47:55,510 --> 00:47:58,210
[battisti vo] When she saw that
starkweather was going to take
866
00:47:58,410 --> 00:48:03,380
the stand, she dug her nails
into the wrist of her lawyer.
867
00:48:03,580 --> 00:48:06,880
And she told me, she said,
"he must have been bleeding,
868
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:11,140
Linda, because I dug and I dug,
and I did not take my nails off
869
00:48:11,340 --> 00:48:15,930
of him until
starkweather was off the stand."
870
00:48:16,430 --> 00:48:19,900
[Man] Charles, will you tell us
what is the fact with reference
871
00:48:20,100 --> 00:48:23,400
to this story about her
parents being held hostage?
872
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:26,240
[Charles] It's a
story we made up.
873
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:27,900
[Man] Who made up that story?
874
00:48:28,100 --> 00:48:29,410
[Charles] We both did.
875
00:48:29,610 --> 00:48:32,160
[Man] While you were
staying at the bartlett home?
876
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:33,910
Yes.
877
00:48:34,110 --> 00:48:35,586
[Man] And what is the truth
with reference to you holding
878
00:48:35,610 --> 00:48:38,040
caril hostage?
879
00:48:38,240 --> 00:48:39,920
[Charles] Now, that ain't true.
880
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:42,096
[Man] Do you have any idea why
caril didn't make an effort to
881
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:44,050
get away from you?
882
00:48:44,250 --> 00:48:45,250
[Charles] No.
883
00:48:45,460 --> 00:48:46,920
No.
884
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:49,180
She had all the
chance in the world.
885
00:48:49,380 --> 00:48:54,300
Tense ambient music
886
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:09,450
[Oberlander] Right here.
887
00:49:09,650 --> 00:49:11,450
"I hope to god to
get through this."
888
00:49:11,650 --> 00:49:12,320
Right there.
889
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:15,060
And then she goes with the hand.
890
00:49:15,260 --> 00:49:18,410
I'm George oberlander Jr. I have
a severe to profound hearing
891
00:49:18,610 --> 00:49:22,290
loss and I rely on lip reading
and various body language
892
00:49:22,490 --> 00:49:23,960
reading.
893
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:25,420
It's fairly complicated.
894
00:49:25,620 --> 00:49:27,420
I don't fully
understand how I do it.
895
00:49:27,620 --> 00:49:30,090
My doctors never understood.
896
00:49:30,290 --> 00:49:33,430
The person that we're talking
about today really had a unique
897
00:49:33,630 --> 00:49:34,050
style of talking.
898
00:49:34,250 --> 00:49:35,486
I don't know if
you noticed that.
899
00:49:35,510 --> 00:49:37,430
I had to practice.
900
00:49:37,630 --> 00:49:38,430
Three hours.
901
00:49:38,630 --> 00:49:41,470
Three hours to do three minutes.
902
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:48,230
"I have a story to tell."
903
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:29,326
"What are we gonna do
when we get out of here."
904
00:50:29,350 --> 00:50:31,270
That's it there.
905
00:50:31,820 --> 00:50:33,280
She's smiling!
906
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:35,490
She's relaxed, confident.
907
00:50:35,690 --> 00:50:38,490
There is no way she thought
she was gonna be found guilty.
908
00:50:38,690 --> 00:50:41,370
You can't have that...
909
00:50:41,570 --> 00:50:45,170
Level of emotion if you think
something bad... you think you
910
00:50:45,370 --> 00:50:47,716
did something bad or you think
something bad is gonna happen to
911
00:50:47,740 --> 00:50:50,080
you.
912
00:50:53,670 --> 00:50:55,686
[Jeff mcarthur vo] I do know
that my grandfather was pretty
913
00:50:55,710 --> 00:50:58,180
certain that she
would be convicted.
914
00:50:58,380 --> 00:51:02,060
He had no faith, really, that
the people of Nebraska would
915
00:51:02,260 --> 00:51:04,310
treat her fairly.
916
00:51:04,510 --> 00:51:09,320
Getting Charley wasn't
enough; They wanted more blood.
917
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:12,190
[O'Donnell vo] A lot of the
other testimony Charley gave,
918
00:51:12,390 --> 00:51:15,200
they felt that he lied in many
different things and it wasn't
919
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:16,860
such a concern.
920
00:51:17,060 --> 00:51:22,120
But what they did believe was
that she had ample opportunity
921
00:51:22,530 --> 00:51:27,520
to get away from
him and... did... not.
922
00:51:27,720 --> 00:51:32,670
And that cinched that "guilty"
verdict on caril Ann fugate.
923
00:51:35,210 --> 00:51:38,590
Sad ethereal music
924
00:51:38,790 --> 00:51:41,560
and she's, I think, the youngest
gal that's ever been sentenced
925
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:44,600
to life in united
states history.
926
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:46,566
[Jeff mcarthur vo] She
acted initially the way a lot of
927
00:51:46,590 --> 00:51:48,440
people would... just
breaking down and crying.
928
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:50,610
But then, she just
looked at the jury and said,
929
00:51:50,810 --> 00:51:52,210
"if you really
thought I was guilty,
930
00:51:52,310 --> 00:51:54,110
why didn't you
give me the chair?"
931
00:52:00,820 --> 00:52:04,620
Tracking down these kids, and
that if they'd have found out
932
00:52:04,820 --> 00:52:08,370
that Charley killed
colvert a month of so earlier,
933
00:52:08,570 --> 00:52:11,290
this never would have happened.
934
00:52:13,750 --> 00:52:17,380
In a kind of a jungian
collective unconscious,
935
00:52:17,580 --> 00:52:22,390
there is a need to
blame the woman.
936
00:52:22,590 --> 00:52:25,140
You could call her "Eve,"
you could call her "Delilah,"
937
00:52:25,340 --> 00:52:26,816
but by god, you're
gonna blame the woman;
938
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:28,140
that's what's gonna happen.
939
00:52:28,340 --> 00:52:31,520
[Slides clicking]
940
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:38,150
People blame the woman.
941
00:52:38,350 --> 00:52:40,410
People love to blame the woman.
942
00:52:40,610 --> 00:52:43,620
[Commotion]
943
00:52:43,820 --> 00:52:46,290
First, she believed that she
was saving her parents' lives,
944
00:52:46,490 --> 00:52:50,290
then she believed she
was gonna get killed.
945
00:52:50,490 --> 00:52:53,630
Who would have been that brave?
946
00:52:53,830 --> 00:52:55,500
Oh, anybody you
talk to would have.
947
00:52:55,710 --> 00:52:57,510
"Well, I would have escaped!"
948
00:52:57,710 --> 00:52:58,710
Yeah...
949
00:52:58,870 --> 00:53:01,510
"Well, I would have
known what to do!"
950
00:53:01,710 --> 00:53:03,760
Hell...
951
00:53:08,430 --> 00:53:10,690
Tense music
952
00:53:10,890 --> 00:53:12,096
[Jeff mcarthur vo]
For quite a while,
953
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:14,680
caril has been rebuking Charley,
saying that she didn't wanna see
954
00:53:14,850 --> 00:53:16,650
him.
955
00:53:16,850 --> 00:53:20,200
But then, when his
execution date is coming up,
956
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:21,680
she started
saying, "no, Charley,
957
00:53:21,730 --> 00:53:23,320
you need to recant all that.
958
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:24,836
You need to say I
didn't do those things.
959
00:53:24,860 --> 00:53:27,700
You know I didn't
do those things."
960
00:53:27,900 --> 00:53:30,540
People just simply
believe whatever he said,
961
00:53:30,740 --> 00:53:32,460
they're hanging
on his every word,
962
00:53:32,660 --> 00:53:36,670
and so if he recanted,
that would go a long way.
963
00:53:36,870 --> 00:53:39,400
And he's just ignoring her.
964
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:42,340
[Girl vo] To mr and
mrs guy starkweather.
965
00:53:42,540 --> 00:53:44,620
I want you to know I did
everything I could... and my
966
00:53:44,670 --> 00:53:48,350
lawyers did, too... to help
Charles from being executed.
967
00:53:48,550 --> 00:53:51,560
Can you get him to tell the
truth about my family's death?
968
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:54,230
If you could get him to do
that, I would be ever grateful,
969
00:53:54,430 --> 00:53:56,690
and it would help him, too.
970
00:53:56,890 --> 00:53:59,810
Thank you, caril fugate.
971
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:03,240
[Jeff mcarthur vo] So caril
fugate is writing to anybody who
972
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:06,700
might have any possible
control over his execution.
973
00:54:06,900 --> 00:54:10,700
She even wrote a telegram to the
president of the United States.
974
00:54:10,910 --> 00:54:13,580
[Girl vo] Starkweather
will be executed tomorrow.
975
00:54:13,780 --> 00:54:16,590
I have been denied by governor
Brooks a request to see him and
976
00:54:16,790 --> 00:54:19,510
see if he will tell the truth in
front of a minister or someone
977
00:54:19,710 --> 00:54:23,380
else who would fair
before he is executed.
978
00:54:23,580 --> 00:54:26,260
I know you are very busy, but
please help me in any way you
979
00:54:26,460 --> 00:54:27,510
can.
980
00:54:27,710 --> 00:54:31,520
Thank you, caril Ann fugate.
981
00:54:31,720 --> 00:54:33,680
Of course, this, in many
ways, makes her look bad,
982
00:54:33,720 --> 00:54:35,400
because it looks
like she is defending,
983
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:36,946
you know, her
boyfriend, when in fact,
984
00:54:36,970 --> 00:54:38,730
what she's really
doing is trying to say,
985
00:54:38,930 --> 00:54:41,740
"hey, he knows the truth,
he knows he's telling a lie,
986
00:54:41,940 --> 00:54:43,780
I can talk him into
telling the truth,
987
00:54:43,980 --> 00:54:46,650
but I need more time."
988
00:54:47,740 --> 00:54:52,780
Eerie ethereal music
989
00:54:54,490 --> 00:54:59,460
the doctor who was going to be
there to pronounce death keeled
990
00:54:59,960 --> 00:55:03,550
over of a heart attack right
before they were taking him.
991
00:55:03,750 --> 00:55:06,300
Well, uh, dr finkel was
standing in front of the,
992
00:55:06,500 --> 00:55:08,800
uh, door of the
warden's office, had,
993
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:11,430
uh, an immediate seizure.
994
00:55:11,630 --> 00:55:13,430
He died almost immediately.
995
00:55:13,630 --> 00:55:15,736
[Male reporter] And he would
have been the one to pronounce
996
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:16,770
starkweather dead?
997
00:55:16,970 --> 00:55:19,650
Yes, sir, that was his
purpose for being here.
998
00:55:19,850 --> 00:55:22,570
That made it someone
else have to step in,
999
00:55:22,770 --> 00:55:25,820
certainly, to become the doctor.
1000
00:55:33,780 --> 00:55:36,460
Enforcement
officers and attorneys.
1001
00:55:36,660 --> 00:55:39,340
And they didn't
let the public in.
1002
00:55:39,540 --> 00:55:42,340
And I suppose I had got on
because I knew most of these
1003
00:55:42,540 --> 00:55:43,840
people.
1004
00:55:48,170 --> 00:55:49,976
And Charley said, "how
much time do I have left?"
1005
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:52,850
And the guard or
whatever said, "15 minutes."
1006
00:55:53,050 --> 00:55:55,850
And Charley said,
"well, I guess that's it, then."
1007
00:55:56,050 --> 00:56:00,610
And then, he put a small plastic
cross in his right palm...
1008
00:56:00,810 --> 00:56:04,690
Chaplain kline read
the 23rd psalm to him,
1009
00:56:04,890 --> 00:56:08,490
and then he was taken to
the execution chamber.
1010
00:56:08,690 --> 00:56:10,820
As the execution
gets closer and closer,
1011
00:56:11,030 --> 00:56:13,830
you think, "he'll do it
now, he'll do it now.
1012
00:56:14,030 --> 00:56:18,870
He can't go to his death
with the lie on his soul."
1013
00:56:19,290 --> 00:56:24,510
He was the only person
in the world who knew...
1014
00:56:24,710 --> 00:56:26,880
She was not guilty.
1015
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:29,880
Suspenseful music
1016
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:38,770
tense ambient music
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