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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:11,630 --> 00:00:16,520 Dark ambient music 2 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:19,390 [watch ticking] 3 00:00:28,650 --> 00:00:30,610 [Tape warps] 4 00:00:47,420 --> 00:00:49,290 [Watch ticking] 5 00:01:06,690 --> 00:01:08,530 One, two... 6 00:01:08,730 --> 00:01:12,070 Three, four, five... 7 00:01:12,270 --> 00:01:13,570 Six, seven, eight, nine... 8 00:01:18,780 --> 00:01:22,410 [Metronome ticking] 9 00:01:22,620 --> 00:01:26,540 This is the most terrible thing that's ever happened in Lincoln. 10 00:01:26,740 --> 00:01:29,340 Her hands were bound in front of her, 11 00:01:29,540 --> 00:01:32,340 and there was a gag on her mouth. 12 00:01:32,540 --> 00:01:35,550 [Man vo] It was the first of its kind... these rebels without 13 00:01:35,750 --> 00:01:38,680 a cause killing people for no reason. 14 00:01:39,180 --> 00:01:43,350 You could feel the fear just on the TV itself. 15 00:01:43,550 --> 00:01:47,560 [Man vo] Charley starkweather saw himself as James Dean. 16 00:01:47,770 --> 00:01:49,610 I think he's crazy. 17 00:01:49,810 --> 00:01:52,240 [Man vo] Caril always wanted to be somebody. 18 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:54,450 She wanted to be a star. 19 00:01:54,650 --> 00:01:57,570 [Woman vo] I thought, "oh, wow, is she a hard-lookin' broad." 20 00:01:57,780 --> 00:02:00,620 [Man vo] I see, really, a scared little girl. 21 00:02:00,820 --> 00:02:03,620 [Man vo] The only two people who witnessed what went on were 22 00:02:03,820 --> 00:02:06,130 Charles starkweather and caril fugate, 23 00:02:06,330 --> 00:02:09,500 and everybody else is dead. 24 00:02:11,580 --> 00:02:13,380 [TV flicks off] 25 00:02:13,580 --> 00:02:18,510 Ominous music 26 00:02:20,390 --> 00:02:23,270 Charley and caril travelled all the way across the state of 27 00:02:23,470 --> 00:02:28,150 Nebraska, which finally comes to its climax in Wyoming, 28 00:02:28,350 --> 00:02:30,326 when he's wrestling with somebody in the middle of the 29 00:02:30,350 --> 00:02:32,480 street, about to kill his 12th victim, 30 00:02:32,690 --> 00:02:35,150 and she's about to see it... 31 00:02:35,350 --> 00:02:37,610 And she sees the police officer over there. 32 00:02:37,820 --> 00:02:39,410 That's where it explodes. 33 00:02:45,490 --> 00:02:47,670 She is getting away from Charley. 34 00:02:47,870 --> 00:02:49,670 She's thinking, "i have to get to this man. 35 00:02:49,870 --> 00:02:53,540 I have to get to this police officer and this has to end." 36 00:02:54,630 --> 00:02:56,430 It was not a capture. 37 00:02:56,630 --> 00:02:58,300 She had escaped. 38 00:02:58,500 --> 00:02:59,180 She escaped. 39 00:02:59,380 --> 00:03:00,640 She saw a cop car. 40 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:01,600 He was armed. 41 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:03,520 She ran in a zig-zag pattern. 42 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:05,486 She's thinking, "at last, I found a police car!" 43 00:03:05,510 --> 00:03:06,696 She said, "that's Charles starkweather! 44 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:08,520 Arrest him!" 45 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:10,520 Of course, they arrested her. 46 00:03:15,730 --> 00:03:18,200 She could have fought extradition back to Nebraska. 47 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:19,706 But again, she's a 14-year-old child; 48 00:03:19,730 --> 00:03:21,200 she doesn't know what's going on. 49 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:23,660 And they didn't give her a lawyer. 50 00:03:23,860 --> 00:03:25,660 [Battisti vo] She signed extradition papers. 51 00:03:25,860 --> 00:03:29,540 She said, "I thought I had to sign something so I could leave 52 00:03:29,740 --> 00:03:31,670 and go home to mom!" 53 00:03:31,870 --> 00:03:33,710 She goes, "yeah, I wanna go back to Nebraska!" 54 00:03:33,910 --> 00:03:36,670 She wanted to see her mother! 55 00:03:36,870 --> 00:03:40,590 Right then is when her next nightmare began. 56 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:49,810 Dark ambient music 57 00:03:50,230 --> 00:03:54,360 [commotion and cameras flashing] 58 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:57,690 [Battisti vo] When she first got into the jail, 59 00:03:57,900 --> 00:04:01,740 she became hysterical, probably because she was relieved, 60 00:04:01,940 --> 00:04:04,700 you know, and then she could let it all out. 61 00:04:04,900 --> 00:04:05,916 She said, "where's my mother? 62 00:04:05,940 --> 00:04:07,000 Where's my mother? 63 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:08,580 Why doesn't my mother call me? 64 00:04:08,780 --> 00:04:10,710 When is she gonna call me?" 65 00:04:10,910 --> 00:04:14,590 And Hazel heflin, sheriff heflin's wife, 66 00:04:14,790 --> 00:04:16,590 said, "well, you know, right now, 67 00:04:16,790 --> 00:04:21,390 the lines are very busy and, um, I'm sure they'll be calling 68 00:04:21,590 --> 00:04:22,720 you later." 69 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:25,260 And then, she said to her husband, 70 00:04:25,460 --> 00:04:28,390 "I don't think she knows her family's dead." 71 00:04:34,970 --> 00:04:37,280 That she was in Wyoming. 72 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:38,786 Caril said, "don't leave me, don't leave me, 73 00:04:38,810 --> 00:04:40,610 he's gonna come and get me." 74 00:04:40,810 --> 00:04:43,410 And mrs heflin would say, "he can't get you. 75 00:04:43,610 --> 00:04:44,620 He's in jail." 76 00:04:44,820 --> 00:04:45,956 "No, he will," you know, "he will, 77 00:04:45,980 --> 00:04:47,740 he will." 78 00:04:47,950 --> 00:04:51,420 And that's when she got the hypodermic needle. 79 00:04:51,620 --> 00:04:54,290 Because she was so hysterical. 80 00:04:54,490 --> 00:04:59,460 And it knocked her out so that she slept for 17 hours. 81 00:05:00,090 --> 00:05:03,640 Well, by the time the prosecutors got there to talk to 82 00:05:03,840 --> 00:05:06,640 her, she was out of it. 83 00:05:12,510 --> 00:05:13,560 Her parents are dead. 84 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:15,650 Everybody just keeps saying, "later, 85 00:05:15,850 --> 00:05:16,940 caril, later." 86 00:05:17,140 --> 00:05:19,820 And it isn't until she's in gering, Nebraska 87 00:05:20,020 --> 00:05:22,320 that gertrude karnopp just very coldly turns to her 88 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:23,746 and goes, "well, don't you know, caril? 89 00:05:23,770 --> 00:05:25,780 They're dead." 90 00:05:25,980 --> 00:05:27,780 [Battisti vo] And that's when caril said, 91 00:05:27,990 --> 00:05:29,470 "you're lying to me, they're not dead, 92 00:05:29,530 --> 00:05:30,626 they're not dead, they're not dead, 93 00:05:30,650 --> 00:05:32,580 they're not dead." 94 00:05:32,780 --> 00:05:36,340 She was still very, very confused at that point. 95 00:05:36,540 --> 00:05:38,670 She said, "what are all these people talking about? 96 00:05:38,870 --> 00:05:40,340 My family's alive. 97 00:05:40,540 --> 00:05:42,590 I'm gonna see them when I get back. 98 00:05:42,790 --> 00:05:46,680 When I see my sister, I'll know what happened when I see Barb." 99 00:05:52,140 --> 00:05:57,360 They were taken back separately extradited back to Nebraska. 100 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:01,360 When Charley starkweather was arrested and caril was captured, 101 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:04,940 it was sort of like a win for the police department. 102 00:06:05,740 --> 00:06:08,700 Karnopp and scheele, they got their man and they're driving 103 00:06:08,900 --> 00:06:10,490 back. 104 00:06:10,690 --> 00:06:13,620 A key thing that must have spoiled it was when Charley 105 00:06:13,820 --> 00:06:16,500 starkweather admitted to killing colvert; 106 00:06:16,700 --> 00:06:18,710 he did that on the drive back. 107 00:06:18,910 --> 00:06:23,720 Tense music 108 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:26,640 Elmer scheele and sheriff karnopp, 109 00:06:26,840 --> 00:06:29,720 they knew they were still under a lot of pressure. 110 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:33,520 What was gonna be revealed to the public was further stain on 111 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:38,520 their reputation, further stain on the police department. 112 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:40,036 [Jeff mcarthur vo] This was a huge story, 113 00:06:40,060 --> 00:06:41,900 known everywhere. 114 00:06:42,100 --> 00:06:44,860 They should have gotten Charley the month before in December, 115 00:06:45,060 --> 00:06:46,420 when he had murdered somebody else. 116 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:48,040 They certainly had enough information, 117 00:06:48,070 --> 00:06:51,410 other witnesses, other evidence, but they hadn't, 118 00:06:51,610 --> 00:06:56,420 and Charley himself was kind of teasing them about that. 119 00:06:56,620 --> 00:07:00,460 And caril left clues behind for them for them to find. 120 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:06,930 At the bartlett house, caril made the note that said, 121 00:07:07,130 --> 00:07:09,890 "we're sick with the flu, don't come in," 122 00:07:10,090 --> 00:07:12,560 and then at the bottom wrote, "miss bartlett," 123 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:14,890 and she underlined "miss bartlett" three times, 124 00:07:15,090 --> 00:07:17,770 and the reason she did this was it was a way of sending a signal 125 00:07:17,970 --> 00:07:20,940 to people out in the world without Charley recognizing it. 126 00:07:21,140 --> 00:07:22,900 Dark music 127 00:07:23,100 --> 00:07:24,780 because caril went by "fugate." 128 00:07:24,980 --> 00:07:27,450 Her mother went by "mrs barlett," 129 00:07:27,650 --> 00:07:29,700 which was more important at that time. 130 00:07:29,900 --> 00:07:32,450 "Mrs bartlett." 131 00:07:32,650 --> 00:07:36,790 The only "miss barlett" in the house was this two-year-old 132 00:07:36,990 --> 00:07:38,960 half-sister of hers. 133 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:41,136 And of course, she couldn't have written a note like that, 134 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:43,520 and so that was the reason she underlined it three times: To 135 00:07:43,660 --> 00:07:45,960 simply say to people "something is wrong." 136 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:46,970 And the police were just like, "ah, 137 00:07:47,170 --> 00:07:48,170 you're crazy. 138 00:07:48,270 --> 00:07:51,930 We're not gonna go investigate that any further." 139 00:07:52,130 --> 00:07:53,930 And so if she got out there saying to people, 140 00:07:54,130 --> 00:07:57,980 "hey, I left clues behind," that made them look all the worse. 141 00:07:58,180 --> 00:08:01,610 It became more in their own personal best interest to 142 00:08:01,810 --> 00:08:03,906 prosecute her because of the fact that then it turns the 143 00:08:03,930 --> 00:08:06,740 narrative away from "why didn't they catch these people?" 144 00:08:06,940 --> 00:08:09,490 To "look at this 14-year-old girl, 145 00:08:09,690 --> 00:08:11,990 and look, it's the new Bonnie and Clyde." 146 00:08:12,190 --> 00:08:14,740 [Faint commotion] 147 00:08:14,940 --> 00:08:16,860 [O'Donnell vo] The public, when they saw Charley, 148 00:08:17,030 --> 00:08:20,830 here was a teenage murderer, cigarette hangin' out of his 149 00:08:21,030 --> 00:08:25,500 mouth, rough-lookin' he fit the part. 150 00:08:25,700 --> 00:08:27,840 So there was no sympathy for Charles starkweather in 151 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:29,630 this state. 152 00:08:29,830 --> 00:08:31,316 [Jeff mcarthur vo] When she was brought back, 153 00:08:31,340 --> 00:08:32,010 for the most part, the prosecution just simply knew 154 00:08:32,210 --> 00:08:34,760 they didn't have to go to the press... the press was coming to 155 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:36,770 them... so they would just simply say, 156 00:08:36,970 --> 00:08:40,520 "we charged her with accessory of murder" and fed them little 157 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:43,980 bits and pieces of evidence just from one single point-of-view. 158 00:08:44,180 --> 00:08:46,706 So, like, when you look at those early pictures of her when she's 159 00:08:46,730 --> 00:08:49,030 being brought back, the reporters are wanting to talk to 160 00:08:49,230 --> 00:08:51,860 her, but they've rolled up all the windows and they won't let 161 00:08:52,060 --> 00:08:54,530 her speak to anybody, and they wouldn't even let anybody tell 162 00:08:54,730 --> 00:08:57,570 her what they're reporting. 163 00:08:59,780 --> 00:09:01,540 [Shutter clicks] 164 00:09:01,740 --> 00:09:04,000 [Wright vo] Most of the pictures that I've taken were 165 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:06,670 done with this camera. 166 00:09:06,870 --> 00:09:11,800 1950, I'd just gotten out of school and came to a job with 167 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:14,550 the Lincoln star. 168 00:09:14,750 --> 00:09:18,560 My primary job was to take the film, not stills. 169 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:22,600 Try shooting stills and movies. 170 00:09:23,100 --> 00:09:28,150 This is a picture of caril Ann fugate here in Lincoln. 171 00:09:30,190 --> 00:09:32,206 [O'Donnell vo] Public opinion in Nebraska at the time was 172 00:09:32,230 --> 00:09:35,820 horribly against caril Ann fugate. 173 00:09:36,020 --> 00:09:39,040 99 percent of the people in this state felt that she was a 174 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:41,830 willing accomplice. 175 00:09:42,030 --> 00:09:43,910 [Battisti vo] When she was brought back to town, 176 00:09:44,030 --> 00:09:47,090 she arrived in Lincoln at night. 177 00:09:47,290 --> 00:09:51,720 And they put her in that mental institution. 178 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:55,170 She still really wasn't clear about her family. 179 00:09:56,970 --> 00:09:59,930 One of the things that we often see when people experience 180 00:10:00,130 --> 00:10:04,100 profound psychological trauma is that there's this... 181 00:10:04,300 --> 00:10:08,640 Intense, almost desperate attempt to hold onto hope. 182 00:10:09,270 --> 00:10:12,070 [Battisti vo] It didn't register with her that they were 183 00:10:12,270 --> 00:10:15,110 all dead until she saw her sister in the 184 00:10:15,310 --> 00:10:17,870 mental institution. 185 00:10:18,070 --> 00:10:20,120 And she said, "are they dead, Barb?" 186 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:22,950 And she said, "yes, caril, they are." 187 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:27,080 And she said, "that was the time I knew that they were dead, 188 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:31,880 because I knew my sister would never lie to me." 189 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:39,220 [Tape warps] 190 00:10:46,770 --> 00:10:48,810 [Metronome ticking] 191 00:11:24,930 --> 00:11:27,260 [Soft crying] 192 00:12:11,310 --> 00:12:13,890 [Crying] Stupid! 193 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:28,330 [Inhales sharply] 194 00:12:38,380 --> 00:12:39,880 Dead! 195 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:40,880 [Crying] Dead! 196 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:42,220 They were dead! 197 00:12:42,420 --> 00:12:47,140 [Cries] 198 00:12:51,220 --> 00:12:55,270 [Crying] I failed, I failed... 199 00:12:55,470 --> 00:12:57,110 [Crying] They lied... 200 00:12:57,310 --> 00:12:59,940 [Tape clicks off] 201 00:13:00,900 --> 00:13:05,280 [Writing on paper] 202 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:08,040 [Battisti vo] I really enjoy true crime, 203 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:10,910 and [chuckling] I enjoy murder mysteries... 204 00:13:11,110 --> 00:13:16,040 Knowing what's behind murder, horrible things. 205 00:13:16,250 --> 00:13:20,800 And I began reading about Charles starkweather, 206 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:23,130 and I thought, "wow, that was a bad guy, 207 00:13:23,340 --> 00:13:25,300 you know, he killed 11 people and... 208 00:13:25,500 --> 00:13:28,140 Killed people he didn't even know. 209 00:13:28,340 --> 00:13:30,140 And his girlfriend went with him." 210 00:13:30,340 --> 00:13:31,940 And I thought, "she must be horrible! 211 00:13:32,140 --> 00:13:34,150 She must be just like he is. 212 00:13:34,350 --> 00:13:37,820 She must have been a... a little tramp just out... she hated her 213 00:13:38,020 --> 00:13:42,150 parents, I mean, she cussed and smoked and did all that. 214 00:13:42,350 --> 00:13:45,070 What a horrible girl!" 215 00:13:45,270 --> 00:13:48,280 But then, I started... 216 00:13:48,490 --> 00:13:50,160 Thinking about things. 217 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:52,330 I thought, "this is really strange. 218 00:13:52,530 --> 00:13:56,170 I really don't know this young woman." 219 00:13:56,370 --> 00:13:59,300 And really, that's what drew me in. 220 00:13:59,500 --> 00:14:02,340 I wanted to get to know her. 221 00:14:02,540 --> 00:14:05,300 I ordered the trial transcripts. 222 00:14:05,500 --> 00:14:09,100 When I read caril's trial, I read it over and over again, 223 00:14:09,300 --> 00:14:10,970 and... 224 00:14:11,170 --> 00:14:15,350 I said, "John mcarthur proved this girl's innocence. 225 00:14:15,550 --> 00:14:18,980 What happened?" 226 00:14:19,180 --> 00:14:22,990 It was after two years I really wanted to write a book. 227 00:14:23,190 --> 00:14:25,360 I've never read more in my life. 228 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:29,370 It took me 15 years to write this book. 229 00:14:29,570 --> 00:14:34,000 I was drawn to caril because I never in my life would have 230 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:36,000 thought... 231 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:40,380 Police officers or prosecutors or judges would... 232 00:14:40,580 --> 00:14:42,130 Would do wrong things. 233 00:14:42,330 --> 00:14:44,920 They just don't do that! 234 00:14:45,550 --> 00:14:50,350 When I first met her, I stayed at her apartment with her, 235 00:14:50,550 --> 00:14:55,020 and I brought my recorder up then so... 236 00:14:55,220 --> 00:14:58,400 She had an apartment, a lovely apartment. 237 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:01,900 She sews... she's a wonderful seamstress... so she made 238 00:15:02,100 --> 00:15:06,240 everything... all her curtains, she made the bed spread, 239 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:08,490 everything. 240 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:14,370 And she had this bird flying loose. 241 00:15:14,570 --> 00:15:16,410 I've always been afraid of birds, 242 00:15:16,610 --> 00:15:20,170 and that bird was flying around everywhere. 243 00:15:20,370 --> 00:15:23,920 Because she told me, "I will never have anything caged in my 244 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:26,050 house," and I thought, "I get it but..." 245 00:15:26,250 --> 00:15:27,050 [Laughs] 246 00:15:27,250 --> 00:15:28,380 Yeah. 247 00:15:28,590 --> 00:15:30,390 Tense music 248 00:15:30,590 --> 00:15:32,260 when she's speaking with her sister, 249 00:15:32,460 --> 00:15:35,180 I had given caril a blank recorder, 250 00:15:35,380 --> 00:15:39,060 and I said, "here's what i'd like you to do: Just sit down 251 00:15:39,260 --> 00:15:42,190 with Barb, have a nice chat, and run the recorder." 252 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:48,200 [Caril on recording] Yeah, it's flashing. 253 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:51,950 Um, Linda, my sister and i, we're just gonna talk. 254 00:15:52,150 --> 00:15:55,950 And then, uh, we'll just let you edit it and put it where you... 255 00:15:56,150 --> 00:15:58,410 In the area you think it belongs. 256 00:15:58,620 --> 00:16:03,540 Dark music 257 00:16:04,580 --> 00:16:08,090 our father was an alcoholic. 258 00:16:08,290 --> 00:16:12,100 He had that personality of a Jekyll and Hyde. 259 00:16:12,300 --> 00:16:13,640 [Keys jingling] 260 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:17,100 You never really knew what our dad was gonna be like until he 261 00:16:17,300 --> 00:16:20,310 opened the door and came in. 262 00:16:20,510 --> 00:16:24,110 So my mom would have us hide in the closet. 263 00:16:24,310 --> 00:16:25,406 [Distant man shouting indistinctly] 264 00:16:25,430 --> 00:16:28,990 Most of it was verbal abuse. 265 00:16:29,190 --> 00:16:32,450 Then, this one time he physically got in with her. 266 00:16:37,530 --> 00:16:40,330 He was arrested several times. 267 00:16:40,530 --> 00:16:43,250 One was corrupting a minor. 268 00:16:43,450 --> 00:16:48,380 That's a nice way of saying he had sex with a minor. 269 00:16:49,590 --> 00:16:51,260 [Caril on recording] Nothing was stable. 270 00:16:51,460 --> 00:16:53,646 You could come home from school and your whole house would be 271 00:16:53,670 --> 00:16:56,260 packed with a bunch of boxes... 272 00:16:56,460 --> 00:17:01,390 Most of the time, probably because we were evicted. 273 00:17:03,390 --> 00:17:07,150 And so they moved around a lot, until she got married the 274 00:17:07,350 --> 00:17:09,150 second time. 275 00:17:09,350 --> 00:17:12,490 And I can remember my mother was telling me that one of the best 276 00:17:12,690 --> 00:17:17,610 things that happened to velda was when she married Marion. 277 00:17:18,410 --> 00:17:21,290 Tender music 278 00:17:21,490 --> 00:17:24,540 [battisti vo] She loved Marion and called him "father," 279 00:17:24,740 --> 00:17:27,380 because she said, "I never had a father until he married my 280 00:17:27,580 --> 00:17:29,170 mother." 281 00:17:29,370 --> 00:17:34,050 And after Betty Jean was born, every time Marion bought Betty 282 00:17:34,250 --> 00:17:38,560 Jean something, he bought Barb and caril something too. 283 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:41,520 And he said, "these aren't my stepdaughters, 284 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:45,520 these are my daughters, these are my children. 285 00:17:53,330 --> 00:17:57,080 Tell me the first time that you remember Charley and how you met 286 00:17:57,280 --> 00:17:59,540 him and... 287 00:17:59,740 --> 00:18:01,506 [Caril on recording] Um, the first time I met him, 288 00:18:01,530 --> 00:18:03,580 my sister had brought him down. 289 00:18:03,780 --> 00:18:07,250 We double-dated and we'd go to drive-ins. 290 00:18:16,550 --> 00:18:19,350 Go ahead and open it. 291 00:18:19,550 --> 00:18:22,600 Dramatic music 292 00:18:24,180 --> 00:18:26,100 [caril on recording] And after we'd seen that, 293 00:18:26,300 --> 00:18:28,230 it was like... 294 00:18:28,430 --> 00:18:30,570 I could not open the door to our apartment. 295 00:18:30,770 --> 00:18:33,570 I would knock on the door, and then I'd run back and I'd wait 296 00:18:33,770 --> 00:18:36,360 until somebody opened the door. 297 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:40,450 Ominous music 298 00:18:40,650 --> 00:18:43,580 I just could not open that door 'cause I knew the monster was 299 00:18:43,780 --> 00:18:47,130 behind it. 300 00:18:47,330 --> 00:18:50,130 [Battisti on recording] Did you think Charley was really cool? 301 00:18:50,330 --> 00:18:51,556 [Caril on recording] Yeah, in the beginning, 302 00:18:51,580 --> 00:18:54,470 I really did. 303 00:18:54,670 --> 00:18:59,260 He did remind me of, you know, like James Dean. 304 00:18:59,460 --> 00:19:02,640 He was... he was fun, he was funny. 305 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:08,180 When he smiled, his whole face would light up. 306 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:11,150 But then, it also gave you a sense of... well, 307 00:19:11,350 --> 00:19:13,650 when you're that age and then there's an older boy is 308 00:19:13,850 --> 00:19:18,280 interested in you, it makes you feel like... 309 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:21,620 You're worth something. 310 00:19:21,820 --> 00:19:25,290 There were numerous times when he would ask me to marry him, 311 00:19:25,490 --> 00:19:27,420 and I'd tell him I was too young, 312 00:19:27,620 --> 00:19:32,330 that I didn't even know what love was. 313 00:19:33,630 --> 00:19:35,300 [Battisti on recording] Um... 314 00:19:35,500 --> 00:19:39,640 Did you ever notice Charley changing at any time, caril? 315 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:44,180 [Caril on recording] Yeah, he did. 316 00:19:44,380 --> 00:19:47,440 I started withdrawing from him because he started fantasizing 317 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:48,210 more and... 318 00:19:48,410 --> 00:19:51,650 You know, like he would get a better job and he had this and 319 00:19:51,850 --> 00:19:53,690 he had that. 320 00:19:53,890 --> 00:19:57,530 He would say, like, he was born too late, 321 00:19:57,730 --> 00:19:59,706 that he should have been born back when the west was 322 00:19:59,730 --> 00:20:03,360 still wild. 323 00:20:03,660 --> 00:20:05,370 He'd get in this... 324 00:20:05,570 --> 00:20:10,190 Accusing me of things, you know, and he started going into this 325 00:20:10,390 --> 00:20:13,670 accusation constantly, just driving me crazy, you know? 326 00:20:13,870 --> 00:20:15,340 "Well, what did you say at school? 327 00:20:15,540 --> 00:20:17,340 Who did you talk to?" 328 00:20:17,540 --> 00:20:21,470 And it was like he was trying to control... 329 00:20:21,670 --> 00:20:26,470 Every minute of my breathing existence. 330 00:20:28,010 --> 00:20:30,690 She she told Charley that she didn't want to see him anymore, 331 00:20:30,890 --> 00:20:33,360 and she told her mother to tell Charley, 332 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:35,360 if he came around when she wasn't there, 333 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:37,490 not to come around anymore. 334 00:20:37,690 --> 00:20:39,536 [Caril on recording] When I broke up with him and he left 335 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:42,570 that Sunday, I never, ever again... 336 00:20:42,770 --> 00:20:44,370 Seen... 337 00:20:44,570 --> 00:20:48,370 The Charles starkweather that I knew. 338 00:20:48,570 --> 00:20:53,440 He's basically put so much of his own life into her, 339 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:55,750 and that's why, when she broke up with him, 340 00:20:55,950 --> 00:20:57,710 he fell apart. 341 00:20:57,910 --> 00:20:59,590 Ominous music 342 00:20:59,790 --> 00:21:01,510 [caril on recording] When this happened, 343 00:21:01,710 --> 00:21:04,390 and I came home from school that day, 344 00:21:04,590 --> 00:21:06,260 and I opened the door... 345 00:21:06,460 --> 00:21:09,600 Dramatic music 346 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:13,640 there was the monster behind the door. 347 00:21:14,230 --> 00:21:16,270 [Battisti vo] Her mother was never, 348 00:21:16,470 --> 00:21:20,780 never not at home when caril came home from school. 349 00:21:20,980 --> 00:21:24,410 So she believed him immediately when he said, 350 00:21:24,610 --> 00:21:27,450 "I've kidnapped your parents and your younger sister." 351 00:21:30,740 --> 00:21:32,966 [Man vo] Caril, what happened to you when you came home from 352 00:21:32,990 --> 00:21:36,290 school on that Tuesday? 353 00:21:36,490 --> 00:21:37,806 [Girl vo] He was standing behind the door when 354 00:21:37,830 --> 00:21:39,550 I walked in. 355 00:21:39,750 --> 00:21:42,550 I don't remember whether he grabbed me or not. 356 00:21:42,750 --> 00:21:44,670 He said for me to sit down on the couch or chair, 357 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:46,726 and then I asked him where where my folks were 'cause they 358 00:21:46,750 --> 00:21:48,430 were gone. 359 00:21:48,630 --> 00:21:51,310 And then, he told me that story. 360 00:21:51,510 --> 00:21:53,810 [Man vo] Which story was that? 361 00:21:54,010 --> 00:21:56,650 [Girl vo] He told me my folks were over at that old lady's 362 00:21:56,850 --> 00:21:58,810 house and he said if I done what he told me to do, 363 00:21:58,850 --> 00:22:02,570 then they wouldn't be hurt. 364 00:22:03,190 --> 00:22:06,320 [Battisti vo] Then, he told her his friends were right outside 365 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:10,660 the door to her house too, so if she tried to escape, 366 00:22:10,860 --> 00:22:13,330 they would shoot her. 367 00:22:13,530 --> 00:22:15,330 She said, "you're crazy. 368 00:22:15,530 --> 00:22:16,670 What is all this? 369 00:22:16,870 --> 00:22:18,590 You're a fool, what are you talking about?" 370 00:22:18,790 --> 00:22:20,670 He said, "sit down." 371 00:22:20,870 --> 00:22:22,670 And she said, "no, i'm not gonna sit down." 372 00:22:22,870 --> 00:22:27,840 And then, he slapped her so hard that she had to sit down. 373 00:22:28,050 --> 00:22:32,480 And she told me, "I didn't know who that person was. 374 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:36,390 That was not the starkweather I knew." 375 00:22:38,730 --> 00:22:41,480 [Man vo] Then, what did you and he do. 376 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:44,610 [Girl vo] We watched television. 377 00:22:44,810 --> 00:22:48,700 [Battisti vo] It would be five days in the house. 378 00:22:48,900 --> 00:22:51,830 Caril really was in a fog. 379 00:22:52,030 --> 00:22:56,410 She was just so afraid of being there with him. 380 00:22:56,910 --> 00:22:58,880 He wouldn't let her out of the house. 381 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:01,840 The only time he would allow her out of the house was to collect 382 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:06,840 mail, and then he would always be watching her. 383 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:09,640 She said not a lot happened. 384 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,850 They watched a lot of TV. 385 00:23:13,050 --> 00:23:15,730 But in the meantime, there are three bodies in the sheds 386 00:23:15,930 --> 00:23:18,520 out back. 387 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:20,860 [Man vo] Now, during that time, caril, 388 00:23:21,060 --> 00:23:22,400 did you go to the bathroom? 389 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:23,400 [Girl vo] Yes. 390 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:24,740 [Man vo] There in the home? 391 00:23:24,940 --> 00:23:25,420 [Girl vo] Yes. 392 00:23:25,620 --> 00:23:27,410 [Man vo] You have a new bathroom there, 393 00:23:27,610 --> 00:23:28,410 is that right? 394 00:23:28,610 --> 00:23:31,410 [Girl vo] Yes. 395 00:23:31,610 --> 00:23:32,836 We talk about the Miranda rights. 396 00:23:32,860 --> 00:23:34,870 That didn't happen until the 1960s, 397 00:23:35,070 --> 00:23:36,750 and so there's no... 398 00:23:36,950 --> 00:23:40,670 Definite right that you had to be given an attorney, 399 00:23:40,870 --> 00:23:43,670 but typically, people knew to ask for one. 400 00:23:43,870 --> 00:23:45,846 But a 14-year-old child doesn't know anything about that, 401 00:23:45,870 --> 00:23:48,056 so the police just came in, knowing that they had already 402 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:50,106 pressed charges on her, never told her they're pressing 403 00:23:50,130 --> 00:23:52,930 charges against her... anything she's saying can and will be 404 00:23:53,130 --> 00:23:55,770 used against her in court... Pretending they're just getting 405 00:23:55,970 --> 00:23:57,946 information about Charley but really building the case against 406 00:23:57,970 --> 00:23:59,440 her. 407 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:01,736 [Man vo] Now, then, caril, during that time that you were 408 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:03,770 in the house out there, did you... 409 00:24:03,980 --> 00:24:07,570 Have sexual relations with Charles starkweather? 410 00:24:07,770 --> 00:24:09,570 [Girl vo] I don't think so. 411 00:24:09,770 --> 00:24:11,450 I know what you mean. 412 00:24:11,650 --> 00:24:12,950 [Man vo] Do you know what I mean? 413 00:24:13,150 --> 00:24:14,910 [Girl vo] Yes. 414 00:24:15,110 --> 00:24:18,710 He has no problem bringing all this up... 415 00:24:18,910 --> 00:24:22,460 To show, in their view, that she wasn't a hostage, 416 00:24:22,660 --> 00:24:25,460 that there was a real romantic 417 00:24:25,660 --> 00:24:28,720 and sexual relationship going on. 418 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:32,470 [Man vo] Did he, at any time, have his sexual organ our in 419 00:24:32,670 --> 00:24:33,930 your presence? 420 00:24:34,130 --> 00:24:35,720 [Girl vo] No. 421 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:38,810 I... don't know what you mean. 422 00:24:39,010 --> 00:24:41,600 [Battisti vo] I don't think they had a clue what being a 423 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,480 14-year-old little girl is about. 424 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:48,740 Plus, they had a preconceived idea about caril... that she was 425 00:24:48,940 --> 00:24:51,820 a tramp and that she had experienced sex, 426 00:24:52,020 --> 00:24:53,990 which back then in '50s... 427 00:24:54,190 --> 00:24:55,200 That was horrible. 428 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:59,830 I mean, you couldn't even be an unwed mother back in the '50s. 429 00:25:00,030 --> 00:25:02,000 [Man vo] Did he, at any time, put his... 430 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:07,000 Penis up in your... sexual organ? 431 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:08,760 [Girl vo] Yes. 432 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,010 [Man vo] And did he stick it in very far? 433 00:25:11,210 --> 00:25:12,030 [Girl vo] No. 434 00:25:12,230 --> 00:25:14,970 [Man vo] Did he put it in slightly? 435 00:25:15,170 --> 00:25:16,760 [Girl vo] He didn't put it in an inch. 436 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:19,770 [Man vo] He put it in... less than an inch? 437 00:25:19,970 --> 00:25:20,500 [Girl vo] Yes. 438 00:25:20,700 --> 00:25:22,580 [Man vo] He did put it in but less than an inch, 439 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:24,520 is that right? 440 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:26,190 [Girl vo] Yes. 441 00:25:26,390 --> 00:25:29,990 [Man vo] What was the reason he didn't put it in further? 442 00:25:30,190 --> 00:25:32,110 [Girl vo] It hurt. 443 00:25:32,530 --> 00:25:34,990 Dale fahrnbruch, the prosecutor, 444 00:25:35,190 --> 00:25:38,660 he was very, very interested in her sex life with starkweather 445 00:25:38,860 --> 00:25:40,040 for some reason. 446 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:41,426 You know, now that she was an adult, 447 00:25:41,450 --> 00:25:45,040 she said, "he was impotent; He couldn't have an erection. 448 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:48,050 But I didn't know that at that age." 449 00:25:48,250 --> 00:25:50,880 [Man vo] Now, caril, I believe you also told me earlier that 450 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:54,010 you told Charles on the way to Wyoming that you loved him. 451 00:25:54,210 --> 00:25:55,680 Is that true? 452 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:56,880 [Girl vo] Yes. 453 00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:58,510 I think so. 454 00:25:58,710 --> 00:26:01,110 [Man vo] And did you tell him that on more than one occasion? 455 00:26:01,260 --> 00:26:03,020 [Girl vo] Yes. 456 00:26:03,220 --> 00:26:07,810 [Man vo] And what was your reason for telling him that? 457 00:26:08,020 --> 00:26:10,610 [Girl vo] I was afraid he might kill me. 458 00:26:11,230 --> 00:26:14,820 [Caril on recording] It was actually nothing but... 459 00:26:15,020 --> 00:26:19,950 Days of being verbally, emotionally battered... 460 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:24,710 By adults... 461 00:26:24,910 --> 00:26:29,040 Who did not take into consideration that this was a 462 00:26:29,250 --> 00:26:34,170 child doing the best they could to relay to them... 463 00:26:35,170 --> 00:26:39,050 The horror that she had seen! 464 00:26:39,260 --> 00:26:41,060 [Man vo] And how many times would you say, 465 00:26:41,260 --> 00:26:46,060 caril, you stayed in the house while he went away? 466 00:26:46,260 --> 00:26:47,940 [Girl vo] Almost about every night. 467 00:26:48,140 --> 00:26:50,610 He tied me up when he left the house, 468 00:26:50,810 --> 00:26:54,610 but he didn't tie me up tight so it hurt. 469 00:26:54,810 --> 00:26:58,950 Caril was thinking, "my family is being held by Charley's gang 470 00:26:59,150 --> 00:27:04,120 of robbers " and that " if I try to get away or warn or do this 471 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,960 or that, he would have them killed." 472 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,090 Dark music 473 00:27:10,290 --> 00:27:13,880 to protect themselves, a response that people will have 474 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:18,950 in extreme trauma is tonic immobility. 475 00:27:19,150 --> 00:27:20,436 [Distant man shouting indistinctly] 476 00:27:20,460 --> 00:27:21,970 It's as if the body or, in this case, 477 00:27:22,170 --> 00:27:23,970 the mind is just frozen. 478 00:27:30,850 --> 00:27:35,110 Collapsing, but it can also be a situation where it's more of a 479 00:27:35,310 --> 00:27:40,240 mental state of just being completely unable to make the 480 00:27:40,450 --> 00:27:43,120 ordinary decisions, to think things through, 481 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:45,790 to see things in the way that one ordinarily does. 482 00:27:55,870 --> 00:27:59,010 Predator will just go limp. 483 00:27:59,210 --> 00:28:02,010 It almost looks like they're feigning death, 484 00:28:02,210 --> 00:28:05,680 and sometimes, they will actually almost have no heart 485 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:07,140 rate. 486 00:28:07,340 --> 00:28:12,060 The predators would just drop the prey and... 487 00:28:13,270 --> 00:28:15,820 Go do something else. 488 00:28:30,370 --> 00:28:32,210 Suspenseful music 489 00:28:32,410 --> 00:28:35,290 [commotion] 490 00:28:37,170 --> 00:28:39,720 Charley originally said caril had nothing to do with any of 491 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:41,180 the killings. 492 00:28:47,260 --> 00:28:49,230 Houses out behind the house. 493 00:28:49,430 --> 00:28:53,060 But caril came home about four that afternoon. 494 00:28:53,260 --> 00:28:56,980 I told her a line that they were somewhere. 495 00:28:57,180 --> 00:28:59,740 I was gonna tell her about what happened, 496 00:28:59,940 --> 00:29:02,240 but I was letting it go by, and before I said anything, 497 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,240 the days went by too fast. 498 00:29:05,660 --> 00:29:09,200 At that point, he still had not turned quite against caril, 499 00:29:09,410 --> 00:29:13,080 even though he gave different confessions here and there. 500 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:15,250 But he wanted to see her. 501 00:29:15,450 --> 00:29:20,090 Dale fahrnbruch and Elmer scheele would be talking to her. 502 00:29:20,290 --> 00:29:22,220 And they said, "no, she doesn't wanna see you." 503 00:29:22,420 --> 00:29:26,100 Well, they know you can't see her... period... anyway. 504 00:29:26,300 --> 00:29:27,890 Two codefendants? 505 00:29:28,090 --> 00:29:30,770 They're not permitted to speak to each other. 506 00:29:30,970 --> 00:29:33,270 They can't see each other, they can't write to each other, 507 00:29:33,470 --> 00:29:36,020 they can't pass messages to each other. 508 00:29:36,220 --> 00:29:38,230 It wasn't done. 509 00:29:38,430 --> 00:29:40,110 But scheele said, "well, you know, 510 00:29:40,310 --> 00:29:42,910 maybe we could get a letter to caril." 511 00:29:43,110 --> 00:29:46,280 Tense ambient music 512 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:49,040 so on February 7th, Charley writes his letter to caril, 513 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,290 and it is such a casual kind of letter. 514 00:29:52,490 --> 00:29:56,130 She had not seen Charley since they were on the road, 515 00:29:56,330 --> 00:29:58,800 since she had seen him kill all these people. 516 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,800 [Charles vo] February 7th, 1958. 517 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,130 Dear caril, how are you? 518 00:30:04,340 --> 00:30:06,050 Okay, I hope. 519 00:30:06,250 --> 00:30:08,140 They said I cannot see you 520 00:30:08,340 --> 00:30:10,810 'til they get done talking to you so... 521 00:30:11,010 --> 00:30:13,270 I'm hoping I can see you then. 522 00:30:13,470 --> 00:30:18,070 That is, if you would want to see me. 523 00:30:18,270 --> 00:30:21,940 I'm sorry about your mom, dad, and sister. 524 00:30:22,140 --> 00:30:24,950 I would like to know something... 525 00:30:25,150 --> 00:30:27,246 Did you think that I would have killed you when we got to 526 00:30:27,270 --> 00:30:29,080 Washington? 527 00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:33,960 I told you I could not shoot you if I had to. 528 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,346 And one more thing I would like to know: Them things you were 529 00:30:36,370 --> 00:30:39,090 saying when we were on the road, like... 530 00:30:39,290 --> 00:30:41,960 When I asked you if you hate me... 531 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:45,180 And I think you know what the rest of them were... 532 00:30:45,380 --> 00:30:47,300 Was you just giving me a line or... 533 00:30:47,500 --> 00:30:49,850 What was you? 534 00:30:50,050 --> 00:30:51,350 Write back if you will. 535 00:30:51,550 --> 00:30:53,180 Please. 536 00:30:53,380 --> 00:30:55,190 Chuck. 537 00:30:55,390 --> 00:30:59,190 Ps you know damn well I would never shoot you. 538 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:06,320 [Girl vo] Chuck... 539 00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:07,990 I don't want to see you... 540 00:31:08,190 --> 00:31:12,870 Because I might do something I would be sorry for later on. 541 00:31:13,070 --> 00:31:15,120 Elmer scheele brought to Charley the note from caril 542 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:18,000 saying that she didn't want to see him and, 543 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:19,880 while Charley's in the bad mood, also said, 544 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,176 "and by the way, she's been saying that you're crazy." 545 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,130 That's the one thing Charley did not want anybody to ever say 546 00:31:25,330 --> 00:31:27,220 about him, let alone his ex-girlfriend, 547 00:31:27,420 --> 00:31:30,010 the girl who he thought he had control over. 548 00:31:30,210 --> 00:31:31,390 But who facilitated that? 549 00:31:31,590 --> 00:31:34,020 The cops and the prosecutors. 550 00:31:34,220 --> 00:31:39,140 They wanted to turn him against her. 551 00:31:39,350 --> 00:31:44,150 She is practicing writing a letter... 552 00:31:44,350 --> 00:31:49,280 On the back page of judge Harry Spencer's stationary. 553 00:31:50,990 --> 00:31:54,910 Well, you just don't go out and get a judge's stationary. 554 00:31:55,110 --> 00:31:58,160 He had to give it to somebody. 555 00:31:58,660 --> 00:32:01,170 This just isn't legal malpractice, 556 00:32:01,370 --> 00:32:03,170 this is evil. 557 00:32:03,370 --> 00:32:05,260 They wanted her to be put into prison; 558 00:32:05,460 --> 00:32:08,050 they wanted her to be guilty. 559 00:32:08,250 --> 00:32:11,930 Tense ambient music 560 00:32:12,130 --> 00:32:14,060 he thought to himself, "here's this gal I love, 561 00:32:14,260 --> 00:32:16,270 who was gonna go out with me in a Blaze of glory, 562 00:32:16,470 --> 00:32:21,060 James Dean, the whole thing, and she's turning on me." 563 00:32:21,260 --> 00:32:22,786 So he's like, "okay, well, let me tell you what really 564 00:32:22,810 --> 00:32:26,400 happened," and that's when he started saying that she 565 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,280 committed these murders. 566 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:30,246 And that's when his story changed every single time he 567 00:32:30,270 --> 00:32:32,070 told it. 568 00:32:41,140 --> 00:32:46,300 His life today with the attitude of an interested bystander. 569 00:32:46,500 --> 00:32:49,220 [O'Donnell vo] Charley's trial was interesting in the fact they 570 00:32:49,420 --> 00:32:53,220 were charging him with first-degree murder for the 571 00:32:53,420 --> 00:32:55,970 killing of Robert Jensen. 572 00:32:56,170 --> 00:33:00,440 They picked the Jensen murder to prosecute because they felt that 573 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,310 was the easiest one to prove. 574 00:33:03,510 --> 00:33:08,110 There was such a juxtaposition between this 17-year-old student 575 00:33:08,310 --> 00:33:11,990 council president, and here was Charley. 576 00:33:12,190 --> 00:33:13,450 [Gavel banging] 577 00:33:13,650 --> 00:33:15,296 [Man] Charles Raymond starkweather is called as a 578 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:19,120 witness on his own behalf. 579 00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,250 State your full name, please. 580 00:33:21,450 --> 00:33:23,500 Charles Raymond starkweather. 581 00:33:23,700 --> 00:33:25,340 [Man] How old are you, Charles? 582 00:33:25,540 --> 00:33:27,000 [Charles] 19. 583 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:27,880 Charley... 584 00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:33,530 Wanted to plead "not guilty" by the reason of all the killings 585 00:33:33,730 --> 00:33:36,010 were in self-defense. 586 00:33:36,210 --> 00:33:37,010 Now... 587 00:33:37,210 --> 00:33:39,270 That one's a stretch. 588 00:33:39,470 --> 00:33:43,020 [Man] Charley, do you feel any remorse or sorrow for these 589 00:33:43,220 --> 00:33:44,520 people that you've killed. 590 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:46,480 [Charles] I won't answer that. 591 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,280 [Man] But you do feel that every one of them that were 592 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,530 killed, you killed in self-defense, 593 00:33:51,730 --> 00:33:54,160 is that correct? 594 00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:56,160 [Charles] The ones I killed, yes. 595 00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:57,660 [Audience murmuring] 596 00:33:57,860 --> 00:33:59,546 [Jeff mcarthur vo] Charley's attorney is at a total loss as 597 00:33:59,570 --> 00:34:01,040 to what to do. 598 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,346 Then, he thinks, "well, there is another person there. 599 00:34:03,370 --> 00:34:07,380 Tense music 600 00:34:07,580 --> 00:34:09,550 and if she was the one manipulating him, 601 00:34:09,750 --> 00:34:12,170 then let's point the finger at her and say that Charley was a 602 00:34:12,370 --> 00:34:14,050 victim of manipulation." 603 00:34:14,250 --> 00:34:18,390 So from then on, the defense attorney's whole reasoning in 604 00:34:18,590 --> 00:34:21,520 Charley's trial was "it's caril's fault." 605 00:34:21,720 --> 00:34:25,060 The prosecution, also knowing that they're going to be trying 606 00:34:25,260 --> 00:34:27,560 caril soon, instead of fighting against them, 607 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,070 suddenly, they're both in agreement... "Yeah, 608 00:34:30,270 --> 00:34:32,190 it's caril's fault" and they went, 609 00:34:32,390 --> 00:34:33,430 both, right along with it. 610 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:34,110 [Gavel banging] 611 00:34:34,310 --> 00:34:37,530 [Man vo] Helen l starkweather is called as a witness on behalf 612 00:34:37,730 --> 00:34:39,200 of the defendant. 613 00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:41,580 [Helen] Soon after he started going with caril, 614 00:34:41,780 --> 00:34:44,580 it seemed like his family was pushed behind, 615 00:34:44,780 --> 00:34:48,090 and his whole life centered around her. 616 00:34:48,290 --> 00:34:51,210 She seemed to have a hold on him. 617 00:34:51,410 --> 00:34:52,710 [Audience murmuring] 618 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:56,090 And so much of what people now believe happened comes from 619 00:34:56,290 --> 00:34:59,350 that, comes from this trial where there was nobody 620 00:34:59,550 --> 00:35:02,260 representing caril fugate. 621 00:35:02,550 --> 00:35:07,600 During that trial, Charley testified and blamed caril Ann 622 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:12,570 fugate for killing Carol king. 623 00:35:12,770 --> 00:35:14,770 [Man] Charley, in your confession pertaining to the 624 00:35:14,810 --> 00:35:19,240 Jensen case, right after you left the cave out there, 625 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,370 I think your confession said that you were mad at caril about 626 00:35:22,570 --> 00:35:23,580 something. 627 00:35:23,780 --> 00:35:25,370 What were you mad at her about, Charley? 628 00:35:25,570 --> 00:35:26,620 What she did. 629 00:35:26,820 --> 00:35:28,630 [Man] And what did she do there? 630 00:35:28,830 --> 00:35:30,460 [Charles] Shot Carol king. 631 00:35:30,660 --> 00:35:31,780 [Audience gasps and murmurs] 632 00:35:31,830 --> 00:35:34,590 [Man] She... shot... Carol... king? 633 00:35:34,790 --> 00:35:36,630 [Charles] Yes, sir. 634 00:35:36,830 --> 00:35:38,390 Which was a bombshell. 635 00:35:38,590 --> 00:35:40,140 The courtroom just was stunned. 636 00:35:40,340 --> 00:35:45,300 Suspenseful music 637 00:35:47,720 --> 00:35:49,826 [male reporter vo] A smiling, nodding Charles starkweather 638 00:35:49,850 --> 00:35:52,270 walked out of the Lancaster county district courtroom a 639 00:35:52,470 --> 00:35:54,480 little after three o'clock this afternoon... 640 00:35:54,690 --> 00:35:57,400 A man ordered to die in the electric chair. 641 00:35:57,600 --> 00:35:59,660 Jury members ordered the death penalty. 642 00:35:59,860 --> 00:36:02,280 The 19-year-old former Lincoln garbage collector took the 643 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,761 verdict with the apparent indifference that had marked his 644 00:36:04,820 --> 00:36:07,160 manner throughout the trial. 645 00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:10,290 Here comes... here comes Charles starkweather now, 646 00:36:10,490 --> 00:36:13,170 this time a cigarette is lighting, smiling. 647 00:36:13,370 --> 00:36:14,846 [Male reporter] What do you think of the verdict, Charles? 648 00:36:14,870 --> 00:36:16,630 [Male reporter] I see Charley, thank you. 649 00:36:16,830 --> 00:36:18,476 [Male reporter] What do you think of the verdict, Charles? 650 00:36:18,500 --> 00:36:21,550 [Charles] Yeah, it was fair. 651 00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:23,816 [Male reporter] All right, we had a very short word with 652 00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:25,856 Charles starkweather there in which he said that he thought 653 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:27,430 the verdict was fair. 654 00:36:34,730 --> 00:36:37,530 Starkweather was gonna be convicted. 655 00:36:37,730 --> 00:36:42,700 There was more of a question about whether caril would be 656 00:36:42,900 --> 00:36:48,240 convicted of first-degree murder or a lesser charge. 657 00:36:48,740 --> 00:36:53,790 But, in all likelihood, the die had been cast at that point. 658 00:36:54,290 --> 00:36:58,550 Nobody in those jury rooms didn't know about this case. 659 00:36:58,750 --> 00:36:59,450 [James mcarthur vo] The general feeling in the public, 660 00:36:59,650 --> 00:37:03,470 there was no question... they absolutely believed caril was 661 00:37:03,670 --> 00:37:05,220 guilty. 662 00:37:05,420 --> 00:37:08,730 I know the police were very strongly wanting to see her 663 00:37:08,930 --> 00:37:10,690 convicted. 664 00:37:10,890 --> 00:37:13,480 There was so much pressure against caril. 665 00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:17,360 The crime was so horrific, involved so many people... and 666 00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:22,430 very prominent people... that it just wasn't good enough that 667 00:37:22,630 --> 00:37:27,370 just one person... Starkweather... be found guilty. 668 00:37:27,570 --> 00:37:32,250 If the crime is so horrific, the public kind of seems to demand 669 00:37:32,450 --> 00:37:37,420 that the perpetrators be as broad as the crime itself is. 670 00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,510 [Battisti vo] She was a juvenile and should have been tried 671 00:37:43,710 --> 00:37:45,510 in juvenile court; The statute was very, 672 00:37:45,710 --> 00:37:48,390 very clear on that. 673 00:37:48,590 --> 00:37:53,520 It was as if there was a tacit assumption among the judges... 674 00:37:53,720 --> 00:37:58,770 And the prosecutors that "we're gonna go for her. 675 00:37:58,980 --> 00:38:01,740 We were really made fun of, you know, 676 00:38:01,940 --> 00:38:04,410 because we couldn't catch starkweather. 677 00:38:04,610 --> 00:38:06,410 There's egg on our face." 678 00:38:06,610 --> 00:38:10,410 So I think it was "let's sacrifice this young girl for a 679 00:38:10,610 --> 00:38:10,950 couple of years. 680 00:38:11,150 --> 00:38:13,290 She's gonna get out eventually." 681 00:38:13,490 --> 00:38:16,420 Tense music 682 00:38:16,620 --> 00:38:20,460 there were certain factors at play when this happened. 683 00:38:20,750 --> 00:38:25,300 Both Elmer scheele and sheriff karnopp were up for reelection 684 00:38:25,500 --> 00:38:28,310 that year. 685 00:38:28,510 --> 00:38:31,640 [Man vo] I think of all the participants on the prosecution 686 00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:35,560 side, county attorney scheele probably would have been the 687 00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:37,560 most vulnerable. 688 00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:41,780 He could very well have wound up losing his position had caril 689 00:38:41,980 --> 00:38:43,820 been acquitted. 690 00:38:44,020 --> 00:38:46,780 The fact of the matter is the police were under incredible 691 00:38:46,980 --> 00:38:48,780 pressure. 692 00:38:48,980 --> 00:38:52,830 Not everybody necessarily played fair. 693 00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:54,580 [James mcarthur vo] Out in Wyoming, 694 00:38:54,780 --> 00:38:57,330 where caril and Charley were caught, 695 00:38:57,530 --> 00:38:59,460 when the authorities from Nebraska came, 696 00:38:59,660 --> 00:39:01,460 they came with the idea... 697 00:39:01,660 --> 00:39:03,670 That caril was guilty. 698 00:39:03,870 --> 00:39:06,016 They were making accusations against caril which couldn't 699 00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:08,850 possibly have been true. 700 00:39:09,050 --> 00:39:11,600 Then, of course, there was that matter of that she had written a 701 00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,600 note that she was being held hostage. 702 00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:18,480 Tense music 703 00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:19,866 [battisti vo] She wrote a note saying, 704 00:39:19,890 --> 00:39:23,690 "help, police, don't ignore." 705 00:39:23,890 --> 00:39:25,860 And she kept that in her pocket. 706 00:39:26,570 --> 00:39:31,490 And her intention was when she was able to pass that on to 707 00:39:31,690 --> 00:39:33,500 somebody... 708 00:39:33,700 --> 00:39:36,710 [James mcarthur vo] They found it in Wyoming in the pocket of 709 00:39:36,910 --> 00:39:41,500 the jacket she was wearing, and mrs heflin, 710 00:39:41,700 --> 00:39:45,380 she helped her husband put various pieces of evidence in a 711 00:39:45,580 --> 00:39:47,380 box... 712 00:39:47,580 --> 00:39:51,890 And sent it all back to the sheriff back here. 713 00:39:52,090 --> 00:39:56,640 She was disgusted to learn that all of the evidence... except 714 00:39:56,840 --> 00:40:00,650 for one piece, and that was that note... came back here. 715 00:40:05,850 --> 00:40:06,900 And someone went... 716 00:40:07,100 --> 00:40:08,820 "Oh. [Laughs] 717 00:40:09,020 --> 00:40:13,540 'Help, police, don't ignore?' What do I do with this?" 718 00:40:13,740 --> 00:40:16,580 It was deep-sixed. 719 00:40:19,660 --> 00:40:21,980 [Jeff mcarthur vo] When my grandfather became her attorney, 720 00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:23,670 she just stared talking about Charley, 721 00:40:23,870 --> 00:40:25,226 and he goes, "okay, that's all good, 722 00:40:25,250 --> 00:40:26,936 but we need to start preparing for your case," 723 00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:28,880 and she just went, "what are you talking about?" 724 00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:30,760 And he says, "well, they charged you," 725 00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:32,640 and she goes, "what are you talking about?! 726 00:40:32,750 --> 00:40:34,890 I didn't do... Charley did all the stuff!" 727 00:40:35,090 --> 00:40:37,430 And my grandfather had to tell her that her life was on the 728 00:40:37,630 --> 00:40:38,890 line. 729 00:40:39,090 --> 00:40:40,560 Tense music 730 00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:42,940 enter ninette beaver, who goes to him and is like, 731 00:40:43,140 --> 00:40:46,940 "hey, we need to start telling the public more about her. 732 00:40:47,140 --> 00:40:49,540 They're hearing all of these rumors and all these things from 733 00:40:49,650 --> 00:40:51,450 Charley." 734 00:40:51,650 --> 00:40:53,626 My grandfather kept putting it off because of the fact that he 735 00:40:53,650 --> 00:40:56,790 didn't want the trial to be all about... through the newspapers. 736 00:40:56,990 --> 00:40:59,580 But she finally was able to convince him because the rumor 737 00:40:59,780 --> 00:41:01,790 was getting spread around that caril was pregnant, 738 00:41:01,990 --> 00:41:04,790 and she's like, "we have to put her on camera so people see she 739 00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:06,590 isn't pregnant." 740 00:41:06,790 --> 00:41:10,470 Ninette, she was wonderful, she was like a pioneer in Nebraska 741 00:41:10,670 --> 00:41:11,220 television. 742 00:41:11,420 --> 00:41:14,970 I think she was the first female TV reporter. 743 00:41:15,170 --> 00:41:16,646 [James mcarthur vo] Nothing like this had ever been done on 744 00:41:16,670 --> 00:41:18,730 national television before. 745 00:41:18,930 --> 00:41:20,730 And so when they got a chance to do it, 746 00:41:20,930 --> 00:41:25,480 this was a feature that was shown and filmed for 'the today 747 00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:26,680 show.' 748 00:41:32,940 --> 00:41:34,500 She'd never had these clothes on before. 749 00:41:34,690 --> 00:41:36,950 This was all a new look. 750 00:41:37,150 --> 00:41:38,830 If anything, they made her look too old. 751 00:41:39,030 --> 00:41:41,960 They made her look like a woman who was 10 years older than... 752 00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:44,960 Which was a very, very bad move. 753 00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:47,960 So my grandfather was a little worried that on national 754 00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:50,510 television, she was going to... 755 00:41:50,710 --> 00:41:52,840 Get really emotional, so he told her, 756 00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:54,186 "don't let anything rattle you, don't get, 757 00:41:54,210 --> 00:41:57,510 you know, too excited, et cetera." 758 00:41:57,710 --> 00:41:59,850 Instead of letting herself get emotional, 759 00:42:00,050 --> 00:42:02,770 she just went stone-cold, and all of her answers were very 760 00:42:02,970 --> 00:42:04,650 robotic. 761 00:42:04,850 --> 00:42:06,980 Now, had you gone with him for quite a while? 762 00:42:07,180 --> 00:42:08,860 Yes, I had went with him the year before, 763 00:42:09,060 --> 00:42:10,530 and then... 764 00:42:10,730 --> 00:42:11,956 I told him I didn't want to see him again, 765 00:42:11,980 --> 00:42:14,030 but he came back. 766 00:42:14,230 --> 00:42:16,206 Now, that Sunday, I told him to leave and I didn't ever 767 00:42:16,230 --> 00:42:18,870 wanna see him again. 768 00:42:19,070 --> 00:42:20,870 Why? 769 00:42:21,070 --> 00:42:23,000 What had brought you to this conclusion? 770 00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:25,790 Why didn't you wanna go with him anymore? 771 00:42:25,990 --> 00:42:28,040 I think he's crazy. 772 00:42:28,240 --> 00:42:31,800 [Ninette] Is it true that you refused to let Charles give... 773 00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,680 Give himself up after Bennet? 774 00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:36,226 No, I wanted him to give himself up, 775 00:42:36,250 --> 00:42:37,890 but he said he couldn't. 776 00:42:38,090 --> 00:42:39,650 [Ninette] He didn't say why he couldn't? 777 00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,560 He said one more killing wouldn't make any difference. 778 00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:44,236 [Ninette] And then, you knew then that you were just gonna go 779 00:42:44,260 --> 00:42:46,020 on from there, is that right? 780 00:42:46,220 --> 00:42:47,690 No, I didn't. 781 00:42:47,890 --> 00:42:49,746 [Ninette] You just didn't know what to think about it? 782 00:42:49,770 --> 00:42:51,570 No, after he had... 783 00:42:51,770 --> 00:42:54,030 After I heard the shots from the... 784 00:42:54,230 --> 00:42:57,820 Teenager, I knew at any minute, he could kill me. 785 00:42:58,020 --> 00:42:59,706 [Jeff mcarthur vo] What they heard wasn't as important as 786 00:42:59,730 --> 00:43:03,040 what they were seeing, which was this stone-cold woman. 787 00:43:03,240 --> 00:43:06,080 And even though she's a girl, they just saw her as a woman, 788 00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:11,170 and they just became more convinced that she was a killer. 789 00:43:11,460 --> 00:43:14,920 Charles has said in his confession that at times, 790 00:43:15,130 --> 00:43:17,050 you held the gun on some of the victims. 791 00:43:17,250 --> 00:43:18,050 Is that true? 792 00:43:18,250 --> 00:43:19,930 No, it's not true. 793 00:43:20,130 --> 00:43:24,060 Now, out in, uh, Nebraska, a filling station attendant said 794 00:43:24,260 --> 00:43:26,600 that, um... 795 00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:29,160 Charles got out of the car and went into the filling station 796 00:43:29,260 --> 00:43:32,070 and that you were sitting there with a gun on your lap. 797 00:43:32,270 --> 00:43:34,940 Why didn't you, uh, get away at that time? 798 00:43:35,150 --> 00:43:38,110 He had a knife and he had a gun with him. 799 00:43:38,310 --> 00:43:40,650 Did you know how to drive the car? 800 00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:48,960 People just thought she was unemotional, 801 00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:52,750 uncaring, and it was easy for them then to couple her with 802 00:43:52,950 --> 00:43:54,960 Charley. 803 00:43:55,170 --> 00:44:00,130 PTSD is really a physiological, neurobiological shift into a 804 00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:02,970 survival mode. 805 00:44:03,170 --> 00:44:05,770 For a person with post-traumatic stress disorder, 806 00:44:05,970 --> 00:44:10,770 in some ways, it's actually safer to feel nothing than it is 807 00:44:10,970 --> 00:44:14,110 to feel potentially overwhelmed with anger, 808 00:44:14,310 --> 00:44:16,650 distress, fear, sadness. 809 00:44:16,850 --> 00:44:19,110 That can be very overwhelming. 810 00:44:19,310 --> 00:44:22,910 We heard, uh, a lot of rumors right after you were brought 811 00:44:23,110 --> 00:44:26,120 back that, uh, you were expecting a baby at the time you 812 00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:27,910 were captured. 813 00:44:28,110 --> 00:44:29,346 Have you had a baby since you've been here in... 814 00:44:29,370 --> 00:44:30,790 No, I haven't. 815 00:44:30,990 --> 00:44:32,790 I've never been pregnant and... 816 00:44:32,990 --> 00:44:34,170 I've never had a baby. 817 00:44:34,370 --> 00:44:37,010 Ominous music 818 00:44:37,210 --> 00:44:40,170 it was a public relations disaster. 819 00:44:41,300 --> 00:44:43,010 [O'Donnell vo] This was a shock. 820 00:44:43,210 --> 00:44:46,140 The public, when they saw her and her interview, 821 00:44:46,340 --> 00:44:47,680 they just... 822 00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:48,580 "Oh... 823 00:44:48,780 --> 00:44:52,190 She looks... like she could have participated in everything that 824 00:44:52,390 --> 00:44:53,940 happened!" 825 00:44:54,140 --> 00:44:56,940 And... big mistake. 826 00:44:57,940 --> 00:45:02,190 Suspenseful music 827 00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:10,136 [Male reporter vo] Caril Ann fugate didn't seem like the 828 00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:13,040 central figure in a first-degree murder trial as she entered the 829 00:45:13,240 --> 00:45:16,960 courthouse, her hand clenched tightly in that of mrs merle 830 00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:20,170 karnopp, the sheriff's wife. 831 00:45:20,380 --> 00:45:24,180 Why did sheriff karnopp have to do a perp walk with caril fugate 832 00:45:24,380 --> 00:45:27,970 every day down in the street? 833 00:45:28,170 --> 00:45:30,406 He could have parked right up at the courthouse steps and let her 834 00:45:30,430 --> 00:45:32,190 out. 835 00:45:32,390 --> 00:45:34,860 His media savvy was incredible. 836 00:45:35,060 --> 00:45:39,860 He put caril on the front page every single day in a way that 837 00:45:40,060 --> 00:45:44,740 any lawyer would not want their defendant to be seen. 838 00:45:44,940 --> 00:45:47,990 That kind of stuff isn't done today for a reason. 839 00:45:48,190 --> 00:45:50,176 [Male reporter vo] The 15-year-old fugate sat quietly 840 00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:53,000 in the courtroom, seemingly swallowed up in the oversized 841 00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:56,750 lawyer's chair with a look of forced attention on her 842 00:45:56,950 --> 00:45:59,130 perpetually-pouty face. 843 00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:40,800 It came out in Charley's trial a lot was "did she have 844 00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:42,130 opportunity to get away? 845 00:46:42,330 --> 00:46:44,300 Was she his accomplice or not accomplice?" 846 00:46:44,500 --> 00:46:49,840 But in her trial is where that became the really big issue. 847 00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:55,390 Tense ambient music 848 00:46:58,270 --> 00:47:01,320 [Larkin vo] He could have easily exonerated her and got or 849 00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:04,320 off quicker, or maybe it was a few years in a reformatory. 850 00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:08,320 No, he was dead-set that she abandoned him, 851 00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:10,950 she betrayed him, and he would do anything he needed to do to 852 00:47:11,150 --> 00:47:13,080 take her down with him. 853 00:47:19,490 --> 00:47:21,170 Witness. 854 00:47:21,370 --> 00:47:23,346 At a certain point, everybody just stopped listening to 855 00:47:23,370 --> 00:47:26,840 anything else that was going on in the trial at that time, 856 00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:29,970 and they... all the eyes kept looking at the door. 857 00:47:30,170 --> 00:47:31,850 It was like this sick fascination. 858 00:47:32,050 --> 00:47:34,100 "Charley starkweather's gonna be here." 859 00:47:34,300 --> 00:47:36,420 He came in and he was announced, and the doors opened. 860 00:47:36,550 --> 00:47:40,440 I mean, he might as well have been a prince walking in. 861 00:47:41,060 --> 00:47:44,190 The last time caril had seen Charley was in Wyoming, 862 00:47:44,390 --> 00:47:47,110 when she had run from him and jumped into the police car. 863 00:47:47,310 --> 00:47:50,200 And since then, she had learned that he had killed her family. 864 00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:55,310 Tense music 865 00:47:55,510 --> 00:47:58,210 [battisti vo] When she saw that starkweather was going to take 866 00:47:58,410 --> 00:48:03,380 the stand, she dug her nails into the wrist of her lawyer. 867 00:48:03,580 --> 00:48:06,880 And she told me, she said, "he must have been bleeding, 868 00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:11,140 Linda, because I dug and I dug, and I did not take my nails off 869 00:48:11,340 --> 00:48:15,930 of him until starkweather was off the stand." 870 00:48:16,430 --> 00:48:19,900 [Man] Charles, will you tell us what is the fact with reference 871 00:48:20,100 --> 00:48:23,400 to this story about her parents being held hostage? 872 00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:26,240 [Charles] It's a story we made up. 873 00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:27,900 [Man] Who made up that story? 874 00:48:28,100 --> 00:48:29,410 [Charles] We both did. 875 00:48:29,610 --> 00:48:32,160 [Man] While you were staying at the bartlett home? 876 00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:33,910 Yes. 877 00:48:34,110 --> 00:48:35,586 [Man] And what is the truth with reference to you holding 878 00:48:35,610 --> 00:48:38,040 caril hostage? 879 00:48:38,240 --> 00:48:39,920 [Charles] Now, that ain't true. 880 00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:42,096 [Man] Do you have any idea why caril didn't make an effort to 881 00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:44,050 get away from you? 882 00:48:44,250 --> 00:48:45,250 [Charles] No. 883 00:48:45,460 --> 00:48:46,920 No. 884 00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:49,180 She had all the chance in the world. 885 00:48:49,380 --> 00:48:54,300 Tense ambient music 886 00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:09,450 [Oberlander] Right here. 887 00:49:09,650 --> 00:49:11,450 "I hope to god to get through this." 888 00:49:11,650 --> 00:49:12,320 Right there. 889 00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:15,060 And then she goes with the hand. 890 00:49:15,260 --> 00:49:18,410 I'm George oberlander Jr. I have a severe to profound hearing 891 00:49:18,610 --> 00:49:22,290 loss and I rely on lip reading and various body language 892 00:49:22,490 --> 00:49:23,960 reading. 893 00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:25,420 It's fairly complicated. 894 00:49:25,620 --> 00:49:27,420 I don't fully understand how I do it. 895 00:49:27,620 --> 00:49:30,090 My doctors never understood. 896 00:49:30,290 --> 00:49:33,430 The person that we're talking about today really had a unique 897 00:49:33,630 --> 00:49:34,050 style of talking. 898 00:49:34,250 --> 00:49:35,486 I don't know if you noticed that. 899 00:49:35,510 --> 00:49:37,430 I had to practice. 900 00:49:37,630 --> 00:49:38,430 Three hours. 901 00:49:38,630 --> 00:49:41,470 Three hours to do three minutes. 902 00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:48,230 "I have a story to tell." 903 00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:29,326 "What are we gonna do when we get out of here." 904 00:50:29,350 --> 00:50:31,270 That's it there. 905 00:50:31,820 --> 00:50:33,280 She's smiling! 906 00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:35,490 She's relaxed, confident. 907 00:50:35,690 --> 00:50:38,490 There is no way she thought she was gonna be found guilty. 908 00:50:38,690 --> 00:50:41,370 You can't have that... 909 00:50:41,570 --> 00:50:45,170 Level of emotion if you think something bad... you think you 910 00:50:45,370 --> 00:50:47,716 did something bad or you think something bad is gonna happen to 911 00:50:47,740 --> 00:50:50,080 you. 912 00:50:53,670 --> 00:50:55,686 [Jeff mcarthur vo] I do know that my grandfather was pretty 913 00:50:55,710 --> 00:50:58,180 certain that she would be convicted. 914 00:50:58,380 --> 00:51:02,060 He had no faith, really, that the people of Nebraska would 915 00:51:02,260 --> 00:51:04,310 treat her fairly. 916 00:51:04,510 --> 00:51:09,320 Getting Charley wasn't enough; They wanted more blood. 917 00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:12,190 [O'Donnell vo] A lot of the other testimony Charley gave, 918 00:51:12,390 --> 00:51:15,200 they felt that he lied in many different things and it wasn't 919 00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:16,860 such a concern. 920 00:51:17,060 --> 00:51:22,120 But what they did believe was that she had ample opportunity 921 00:51:22,530 --> 00:51:27,520 to get away from him and... did... not. 922 00:51:27,720 --> 00:51:32,670 And that cinched that "guilty" verdict on caril Ann fugate. 923 00:51:35,210 --> 00:51:38,590 Sad ethereal music 924 00:51:38,790 --> 00:51:41,560 and she's, I think, the youngest gal that's ever been sentenced 925 00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:44,600 to life in united states history. 926 00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:46,566 [Jeff mcarthur vo] She acted initially the way a lot of 927 00:51:46,590 --> 00:51:48,440 people would... just breaking down and crying. 928 00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:50,610 But then, she just looked at the jury and said, 929 00:51:50,810 --> 00:51:52,210 "if you really thought I was guilty, 930 00:51:52,310 --> 00:51:54,110 why didn't you give me the chair?" 931 00:52:00,820 --> 00:52:04,620 Tracking down these kids, and that if they'd have found out 932 00:52:04,820 --> 00:52:08,370 that Charley killed colvert a month of so earlier, 933 00:52:08,570 --> 00:52:11,290 this never would have happened. 934 00:52:13,750 --> 00:52:17,380 In a kind of a jungian collective unconscious, 935 00:52:17,580 --> 00:52:22,390 there is a need to blame the woman. 936 00:52:22,590 --> 00:52:25,140 You could call her "Eve," you could call her "Delilah," 937 00:52:25,340 --> 00:52:26,816 but by god, you're gonna blame the woman; 938 00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:28,140 that's what's gonna happen. 939 00:52:28,340 --> 00:52:31,520 [Slides clicking] 940 00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:38,150 People blame the woman. 941 00:52:38,350 --> 00:52:40,410 People love to blame the woman. 942 00:52:40,610 --> 00:52:43,620 [Commotion] 943 00:52:43,820 --> 00:52:46,290 First, she believed that she was saving her parents' lives, 944 00:52:46,490 --> 00:52:50,290 then she believed she was gonna get killed. 945 00:52:50,490 --> 00:52:53,630 Who would have been that brave? 946 00:52:53,830 --> 00:52:55,500 Oh, anybody you talk to would have. 947 00:52:55,710 --> 00:52:57,510 "Well, I would have escaped!" 948 00:52:57,710 --> 00:52:58,710 Yeah... 949 00:52:58,870 --> 00:53:01,510 "Well, I would have known what to do!" 950 00:53:01,710 --> 00:53:03,760 Hell... 951 00:53:08,430 --> 00:53:10,690 Tense music 952 00:53:10,890 --> 00:53:12,096 [Jeff mcarthur vo] For quite a while, 953 00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:14,680 caril has been rebuking Charley, saying that she didn't wanna see 954 00:53:14,850 --> 00:53:16,650 him. 955 00:53:16,850 --> 00:53:20,200 But then, when his execution date is coming up, 956 00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:21,680 she started saying, "no, Charley, 957 00:53:21,730 --> 00:53:23,320 you need to recant all that. 958 00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:24,836 You need to say I didn't do those things. 959 00:53:24,860 --> 00:53:27,700 You know I didn't do those things." 960 00:53:27,900 --> 00:53:30,540 People just simply believe whatever he said, 961 00:53:30,740 --> 00:53:32,460 they're hanging on his every word, 962 00:53:32,660 --> 00:53:36,670 and so if he recanted, that would go a long way. 963 00:53:36,870 --> 00:53:39,400 And he's just ignoring her. 964 00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:42,340 [Girl vo] To mr and mrs guy starkweather. 965 00:53:42,540 --> 00:53:44,620 I want you to know I did everything I could... and my 966 00:53:44,670 --> 00:53:48,350 lawyers did, too... to help Charles from being executed. 967 00:53:48,550 --> 00:53:51,560 Can you get him to tell the truth about my family's death? 968 00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:54,230 If you could get him to do that, I would be ever grateful, 969 00:53:54,430 --> 00:53:56,690 and it would help him, too. 970 00:53:56,890 --> 00:53:59,810 Thank you, caril fugate. 971 00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:03,240 [Jeff mcarthur vo] So caril fugate is writing to anybody who 972 00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:06,700 might have any possible control over his execution. 973 00:54:06,900 --> 00:54:10,700 She even wrote a telegram to the president of the United States. 974 00:54:10,910 --> 00:54:13,580 [Girl vo] Starkweather will be executed tomorrow. 975 00:54:13,780 --> 00:54:16,590 I have been denied by governor Brooks a request to see him and 976 00:54:16,790 --> 00:54:19,510 see if he will tell the truth in front of a minister or someone 977 00:54:19,710 --> 00:54:23,380 else who would fair before he is executed. 978 00:54:23,580 --> 00:54:26,260 I know you are very busy, but please help me in any way you 979 00:54:26,460 --> 00:54:27,510 can. 980 00:54:27,710 --> 00:54:31,520 Thank you, caril Ann fugate. 981 00:54:31,720 --> 00:54:33,680 Of course, this, in many ways, makes her look bad, 982 00:54:33,720 --> 00:54:35,400 because it looks like she is defending, 983 00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:36,946 you know, her boyfriend, when in fact, 984 00:54:36,970 --> 00:54:38,730 what she's really doing is trying to say, 985 00:54:38,930 --> 00:54:41,740 "hey, he knows the truth, he knows he's telling a lie, 986 00:54:41,940 --> 00:54:43,780 I can talk him into telling the truth, 987 00:54:43,980 --> 00:54:46,650 but I need more time." 988 00:54:47,740 --> 00:54:52,780 Eerie ethereal music 989 00:54:54,490 --> 00:54:59,460 the doctor who was going to be there to pronounce death keeled 990 00:54:59,960 --> 00:55:03,550 over of a heart attack right before they were taking him. 991 00:55:03,750 --> 00:55:06,300 Well, uh, dr finkel was standing in front of the, 992 00:55:06,500 --> 00:55:08,800 uh, door of the warden's office, had, 993 00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:11,430 uh, an immediate seizure. 994 00:55:11,630 --> 00:55:13,430 He died almost immediately. 995 00:55:13,630 --> 00:55:15,736 [Male reporter] And he would have been the one to pronounce 996 00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:16,770 starkweather dead? 997 00:55:16,970 --> 00:55:19,650 Yes, sir, that was his purpose for being here. 998 00:55:19,850 --> 00:55:22,570 That made it someone else have to step in, 999 00:55:22,770 --> 00:55:25,820 certainly, to become the doctor. 1000 00:55:33,780 --> 00:55:36,460 Enforcement officers and attorneys. 1001 00:55:36,660 --> 00:55:39,340 And they didn't let the public in. 1002 00:55:39,540 --> 00:55:42,340 And I suppose I had got on because I knew most of these 1003 00:55:42,540 --> 00:55:43,840 people. 1004 00:55:48,170 --> 00:55:49,976 And Charley said, "how much time do I have left?" 1005 00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:52,850 And the guard or whatever said, "15 minutes." 1006 00:55:53,050 --> 00:55:55,850 And Charley said, "well, I guess that's it, then." 1007 00:55:56,050 --> 00:56:00,610 And then, he put a small plastic cross in his right palm... 1008 00:56:00,810 --> 00:56:04,690 Chaplain kline read the 23rd psalm to him, 1009 00:56:04,890 --> 00:56:08,490 and then he was taken to the execution chamber. 1010 00:56:08,690 --> 00:56:10,820 As the execution gets closer and closer, 1011 00:56:11,030 --> 00:56:13,830 you think, "he'll do it now, he'll do it now. 1012 00:56:14,030 --> 00:56:18,870 He can't go to his death with the lie on his soul." 1013 00:56:19,290 --> 00:56:24,510 He was the only person in the world who knew... 1014 00:56:24,710 --> 00:56:26,880 She was not guilty. 1015 00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:29,880 Suspenseful music 1016 00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:38,770 tense ambient music 80013

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