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{\an7}(slow tempo piano music)
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{\an7}(light guitar music)
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{\an7}(indistinct chatter)
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{\an7}Voiceover: Coming up, an
unusual take on the story
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{\an7}of Jesus Christ and why
some claim it is a play
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{\an7}that’s gone too far.
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{\an7}Man in black: No, lets take
it up to the stage and then...
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{\an7}Newsman: Residents say they
are furious that a local
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{\an7}university will put on a play
depicting a gay Jesus Christ.
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{\an7}(laughter)
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{\an7}Voiceover: It’s a little
too much for residents of
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{\an7}the [Cowboy Cat] but of who
are protesting the saturday
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{\an7}performance, saying theirs too
much passion in this Christ.
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{\an7}Woman with cross: It’s just
my cross to bear. Oh God.
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{\an7}(chuckle)
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{\an7}Jimmy: Some theater news for
your guys, in May there’s
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{\an7}a new play premiering in
Texas about a gay Jesus.
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{\an7}I don’t know if the play
is going to be good or bad
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{\an7}but I do know everything
will go really smoothly
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{\an7}and no one will have
a problem with it.
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{\an7}That’s what I know for a fact.
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{\an7}Woman in purple:
That’s a great idea.
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{\an7}Man with sign: You’re calling
yourselves a Christian...
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{\an7}(multiple voices)
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{\an7}Man with glasses: This
play, depicting Jesus Christ
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{\an7}as a homosexual, is blasphemy.
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{\an7}Terrence: I was always
thought Corpus Christi
was a great title.
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{\an7}I thought, one day I’m
going to write a play about
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{\an7}Corpus Christi, but I
didn’t know what it was
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{\an7}going to be about yet.
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{\an7}I can’t say what inspired
the play, other than
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{\an7}a lot of feeling I have
about, how religions have sort
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{\an7}of drummed gays out of the
churches and we have a spiritual
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{\an7}side too, we’re not just in
a chat rooms and hooking up
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{\an7}and promiscuity and aids
and all those things.
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{\an7}The story of Christ, I was
sort of rethinking about it,
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{\an7}it seemed very, I just
wanted to tell it again and
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{\an7}I wanted to tell it in terms
that made it accessible
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{\an7}and understandable and realer
to me and not something
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{\an7}in a Sunday school book.
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{\an7}Quite honestly, one of
the inspirations for the
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{\an7}play was a Gap ad.
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{\an7}A lot of cute young guys
in their white t-shirts
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{\an7}and khakis, barefoot and I said,
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{\an7}that’s what they
should look like.
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{\an7}I think about it, the white
t-shirt and the khakis
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{\an7}is what I had to wear
at Catholic school.
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{\an7}That’s how, seemed the
right image to do with it
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{\an7}but in a funny way it
did not unlock the play
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{\an7}and I think this production,
with it’s non traditional
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{\an7}casting, really unlocked what
the play is about, in a way.
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{\an7}If I’m writing a play to
show that I’m as made in
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{\an7}Gods image as the next
person and this casting says
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{\an7}we all are men, women, young,
old, very many different
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{\an7}colors, are also
made in Gods image.
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{\an7}That is so much more
universal than what we put
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{\an7}on the stage, what the
uproar the play cause here.
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{\an7}Surely no theater
would be willing to
go through that again.
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{\an7}It’s really a play that
I thought was probably
going to vanish.
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{\an7}(multiple voice speaking)
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{\an7}Bob: Theater comes out
of ritual and that’s an
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{\an7}important sort of
correlation that I studied in
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{\an7}the history of religion.
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{\an7}There’s a story being
told, ritually, about
creation and so on.
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{\an7}That’s where first theater
started to develop.
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{\an7}Nic: Reverend Bob had this
mission himself, about
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{\an7}getting theater back into
this particular church.
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{\an7}He asked me if I’d like to
do something and I said,
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{\an7}you know I had an experience
with the play, Corpus Christi,
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{\an7}that I think it would be
a really intriguing show
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{\an7}to put up at this church.
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{\an7}I wanted to combine the
idea of theater and church
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{\an7}and ritual and religion and
remember my alter boy days.
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{\an7}And remember those very
sacred moments in a service
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{\an7}that I could connect
with the stage.
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{\an7}Woman in white shirt:
Blessed are the meek,
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{\an7}they should, blah, blah, blah.
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{\an7}Nic: I knew the ensemble was
key and so the first thing
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{\an7}I did was decide how
I’m going to cast it.
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{\an7}Sheilagh: Nic had sent
out an email to his
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{\an7}seventy five closest
friends, he really does have
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{\an7}seventy five really
close friends.
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{\an7}Molly: I have been friends
with Nic for a while and
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{\an7}he directed me in a comedy
and it was just so much fun.
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{\an7}Elizabeth: And then I was
like, but wait a minute
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{\an7}this is Corpus Christi,
they’re all men.
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{\an7}Bob: And, Nic Arnzen brought
a great deal of creativity
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{\an7}to the play and included
males and females and
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{\an7}not the transgender Jesus I
wanted but, a honky Jesus.
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{\an7}James: My honest first
impression was, what am I doing?
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{\an7}I’m at this weird little
church in the ghetto
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{\an7}about to pick up a
script, do for free.
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{\an7}Molly: And at first I was
kind of like, okay it’s a
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{\an7}Jesus play in a church, eww-ugh.
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{\an7}David: I remember saying to
somebody, God I really want
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{\an7}to be in somebody else’s play.
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{\an7}I want to say
somebody else’s words.
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{\an7}Two days later, do you
wanna do Corpus Christi?
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{\an7}Well, I don’t know what
the play is but it’s
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{\an7}Terrence McNally and I
asked for it, so yea.
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{\an7}Jan: I was helping out
here with a luncheon and I
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{\an7}saw the audition and when
I went for the audition
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{\an7}Nic said to me, he said,
"could you say, fuck you?"
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{\an7}and I said, fuck you!
(laughs) and he said,
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{\an7}" you got the part." (laughs)
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{\an7}Elizabeth: And he gave me
all these really male parts
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{\an7}and I’m like, I don’t,
how’s this going to work?
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{\an7}And I was very much the
doubting, doubting Thomas.
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{\an7}Sheilagh: I wanted Liz’s
part because I wanted to say,
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{\an7}something really sick about
it but I really wanted
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{\an7}to be able to say, Jesus
is a cock sucker and if
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{\an7}the son of God is a cock
sucker, I don’t think so.
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{\an7}Like I thought it was the
coolest fucking line ever
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{\an7}written in the history
of ever and I was like,
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{\an7}fuck I want that line, you know?
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{\an7}Steve: I had worked with
Molly O’Leary and thought she
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{\an7}was the funniest person
I’d ever met and I was
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{\an7}so excited to reconnect
with Molly and see she
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{\an7}had been cast in it.
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{\an7}I had worked with Liz
Cava before, so there were
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{\an7}people that I was
familiar with and I knew
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{\an7}we were going to
have a good time.
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{\an7}So I was thrilled to be
apart of it, even though
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{\an7}I didn’t think it
was a very good play.
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{\an7}David: And I didn’t know
the stories of Christianity.
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{\an7}I didn’t know the
story of Jesus Christ.
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{\an7}So you know, there’s all
the stuff with the fish
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{\an7}and the this and the that
and I’m like, I don’t
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{\an7}know what the fuck
any of this is.
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{\an7}So I had to go look it up.
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{\an7}Elizabeth: For me, I knew all
the Catholic, the bible stories.
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{\an7}I knew every single
word written in there.
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{\an7}Sheilagh: There’s things
moving and Roman people
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{\an7}and Jesus does
what? And, oh God.
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{\an7}James: It felt very religious
to me actually and it
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{\an7}was bringing up a lot of
Catholicism issues that I have,
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{\an7}so I was like, what am I doing?
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{\an7}What is going on with my life?
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{\an7}I just was like, ugh.
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{\an7}Jan: It was a weird show.
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{\an7}Steve: And then when I heard
it’s going to be simple staging
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{\an7}we’re just going to use
a couple of benches and
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{\an7}we’re doing it at this
church and I thought,
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{\an7}oh okay I don’t have to invite
any friends or anything.
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{\an7}Sheilagh: This bench has
got to go here, this bench
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{\an7}has got to go there, mix around
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{\an7}(frustration grunts)
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{\an7}Fuck, with the benches, right?
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{\an7}What the hell is
wrong with this man?
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{\an7}James: Definitely felt like
a train wreck and I was like,
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{\an7}okay well this is going
to be shit and I’m
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{\an7}not going to invite anybody.
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{\an7}Molly: And on some level
I trusted Nic completely.
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{\an7}Just been my mistake all
along, our whole friendship.
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{\an7}Steve: And then we started
rehearsing and then of course
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{\an7}it started taking over
and then I realized what
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{\an7}it was and I realized this
vision that Nic had for the show
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{\an7}and I realized we were
doing something special.
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{\an7}James: Looking around and
looking at everybody’s
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{\an7}faces in the audience and
just kind of stunned that
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{\an7}we actually got through
it but also that some,
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{\an7}whatever just happened,
something magical just happened.
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{\an7}Steve: But, I don’t think
any of us, certainly
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{\an7}I didn’t have any idea
what it was going to become
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{\an7}and what a huge part of my
life it was going to be.
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{\an7}(multiple people talking)
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{\an7}Man with black hair: God will
judge for whats going on.
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{\an7}Man with mustache: Makes
Christ, who is sinless,
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{\an7}a sinner and it makes
him a homosexual.
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{\an7}Man with hat: Defame our
God, now I don’t think so.
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{\an7}Terrence: To quote,
controversy, of Corpus Christi
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{\an7}was based on something
that was never true.
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{\an7}That the play featured
fellatio, sodomy, and other
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{\an7}unspeakable things, lots
of nudity, very graphic
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{\an7}sexual acts, this kind of
joyful, spiritual experience
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{\an7}became kind of lurid and
tabloid and it really was
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{\an7}so shocking to me
when that happened.
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{\an7}Larry: It so hard to pour
your heart and you guts into
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{\an7}writing something that is
so important and so painful
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{\an7}and that you want to
share with the world and
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{\an7}to not have the support
is exceeding painful.
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{\an7}Woman with had: You wouldn’t
do this to any other faith
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{\an7}except the Catholic faith.
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{\an7}They wouldn’t do that
to the Muslim faith or
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{\an7}make your Buddha nothing.
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{\an7}It’s always picking on
the Catholic church.
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{\an7}Terrence: Suddenly we’re
being denounced by everybody
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{\an7}and the phones start ringing
off the hook at the theater,
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{\an7}and not to buy tickets
a lot of it but, we’re
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{\an7}gonna blow you up and this
and that and that’s when
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{\an7}the Manhattan Theater Club
cancelled the production.
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{\an7}Athol Fugard and Tony Kushner
was very vocal spokesman
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{\an7}and people who can
reach the media.
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{\an7}Norman: And that’s why
people for the American Way
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{\an7}got involved in the first place.
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{\an7}To attempt to keep other
people from producing it
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{\an7}and anybody who may wish
to see it, from seeing it.
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{\an7}That’s the unfortunate
tact that they’re taking.
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{\an7}It was Barbara Hammond,
she was People for the
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{\an7}American Way in New York, then
I personally got involved.
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{\an7}It was Norman, Barbara,
get your ass to New York.
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{\an7}(chuckles)
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{\an7}Larry: Nothing works
better than a good protest.
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{\an7}You bet your bottom dollar.
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{\an7}Anson: The whole security
situation started and we
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{\an7}had to go through the
back way everyday and we
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{\an7}were issued these security
passes and we had to have
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{\an7}new name tags everyday and
there’s a bomb sniffing
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{\an7}dog and they were installing
metal detectors in the theater.
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{\an7}Terrence: And it
was a very unhealthy
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{\an7}atmosphere to do a play in.
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{\an7}Man with mustache: From
those who have seen the play
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{\an7}we’ve talked to them, they’ve
told us, they verified it.
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{\an7}Bill Donohue, head of the
Catholic league was interviewed
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{\an7}yesterday on the radio,
he spoke about the play.
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{\an7}Anson: it’s amazing what people
can convince themselves of,
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{\an7}and how much, how,
anger is a drug.
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{\an7}It really is, it can provide
a lot of energy and it
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{\an7}can really keep you going.
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{\an7}William: You know the
idea of a couple of men
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{\an7}kissing each other was not
exactly the most offensive
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{\an7}thing in the world to me.
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{\an7}What I didn’t like was
to misappropriate Jesus
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{\an7}and make him be crucified
as the king of the Queers
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{\an7}because he approves of
homosexuality and a priest
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{\an7}is telling him how bad
homosexuality is and he says,
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{\an7}"I despise you," that’s a quote.
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{\an7}He engages in violence
against the priest and the
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{\an7}all white audience sat
there and they loved it.
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{\an7}Terrence: There’s this one
guy, this William Donohue
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{\an7}who really was the
big pot stirrer here.
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{\an7}William: And he said to
the priest who was talking
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{\an7}about the biblical teachings
on homosexuality that
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{\an7}" you have perverted
my fathers words."
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{\an7}No, this play has perverted
the scriptural teaching.
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{\an7}Anson: Donohue came, and
he wont tell you this,
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{\an7}but he slept through
the majority of it.
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{\an7}And then he came out and
said, it’s exactly what
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{\an7}I thought it was gonna be,
they’re denouncing Christ.
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{\an7}Mutherfucker you were snoring
on the second row, house left.
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{\an7}Don’t try to pretend.
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{\an7}I had my monologue in
[unintelligible] I looked
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{\an7}over, you were fucking snoozing.
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{\an7}Terrence: And I really
think this play just showed
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{\an7}how thin the scab over
homophobia is in this county and
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{\an7}how easily it’s picked off.
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{\an7}Tom: I guess because he’s
my spouse I would also wish
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{\an7}that Terrence got a little more
credit for taking a bold step.
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{\an7}Anson: You know I don’t want
to, I don’t really don’t
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{\an7}want to try to make any
of us sound like any sort
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{\an7}of martyrs or heroes or freedom
fighters, because we’re not.
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{\an7}We’re just actors, but I
did sit in my apartment and
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{\an7}write a letter to my
mother and I left it on my
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{\an7}bed and I made sure my
best friend had a key to
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{\an7}my apartment and I got
rid of all my porn.
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{\an7}(laughs)
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{\an7}Tom: I think that the world
was less willing to look
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{\an7}at what the play actually
was, which was profound.
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{\an7}Terrence: I wish people
say, what really upset us
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{\an7}about this play is that
you said that gay men
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{\an7}and women can live good,
moral, decent, Christian lives.
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{\an7}Melissa: I bless
you, James Brandon.
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{\an7}I baptize you and I
recognize your divinity
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{\an7}as a human being.
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{\an7}I love you, Brandon.
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{\an7}The baptisms are beautiful.
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{\an7}You cant, not be present
and when I’m looking at
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{\an7}all those people that I
love, for different reasons,
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{\an7}and telling them that,
telling them I adore you,
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{\an7}it’s just beautiful,
it’s a beautiful moment.
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{\an7}I’ve been waiting for you.
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{\an7}(sobbing)
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{\an7}Suzanne: We all have.
There’s something
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{\an7}about being baptized in the
play that’s very, magical.
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{\an7}It’s like in that
moment, that’s when the
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{\an7}show really starts for me.
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{\an7}It’s when the journey
really starts, because
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{\an7}I’m transformed into
this other person.
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{\an7}Bob: Transition from Brandon
to Joshua or whatever
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{\an7}character there is in there
is a ritual transformation
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{\an7}of that person from ordinary
space to sacred space.
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{\an7}And so it becomes a
sacred story being told.
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{\an7}Melissa: I adore you Paulie,
I christen you, Peter.
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{\an7}Paul: The baptist church
that I came from before that
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{\an7}my father became minister,
we spoke in tongues.
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{\an7}I was baptized, almost
because I felt like I was
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{\an7}supposed to be baptized,
it was kind of something
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{\an7}that was like this
pressure that you
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{\an7}needed to become baptized.
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{\an7}Melissa: Talking to guides
and spirits and seeing
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{\an7}things I was never told
not to, that’s how I
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{\an7}was brought up.
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{\an7}It was never, oh no, no
you don’t, oh you’re weird
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{\an7}or what is that, that
was always just normal.
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{\an7}Oh she’s going off and
playing with the fairies.
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{\an7}Paul: I grew up in a
loving family, there was a
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{\an7}core love that was there
that was quite beautiful,
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{\an7}but being gay was not
accepted because it was
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{\an7}believed that, or it
still is believed I think
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{\an7}for my mother, that you go
to hell for all of eternity.
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{\an7}I felt like I had to leave
that type of environment.
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{\an7}I felt like I have to
accept myself as who I am
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{\an7}and if one of the ways is
to accept that is to say
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{\an7}that I’m going to go
to hell than, so be it.
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{\an7}Nic: I think my parents just
expected, it was tradition
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{\an7}to go to church, they
expected it of us.
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{\an7}And I think they tried,
definitely tried, and
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{\an7}it was done on
them, to guilt us.
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{\an7}If you don’t embrace Jesus,
if you don’t love the
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{\an7}Catholic religion,
then you don’t love us.
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{\an7}James: Everything is prim
and proper and you go to
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{\an7}church and everything
is perfect and
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{\an7}you don’t talk
about your problems.
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{\an7}Suzanne: Christianity is
constant, these are the rules,
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{\an7}this is absolute, this
is how you have to do it
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{\an7}and I just didn’t
agree with that.
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{\an7}Sheilagh: The rules, the
structure of religion is like
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{\an7}okay, this is one thing in
my life that makes sense.
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{\an7}And then there’s this community,
there’s this community
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{\an7}of people who look like
me, who love me because I’m
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{\an7}God’s child and as much
as I loathe myself,
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{\an7}I could go there, that’s
another thing, I could go there
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{\an7}and they love me because
I was God’s child but
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{\an7}the biggest revelation I
had, actually about spirit
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{\an7}came while I was really deep
in my Christian practice
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{\an7}and it was, That he
loves you no matter what.
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{\an7}Nic: More than anything I
wanted children and I’ll
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{\an7}tell you when I did
come out of the closet I
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{\an7}took a deep breath and I
went, okay I gotta let it go.
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{\an7}I’m not gonna have kids
and I’m okay with that,
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{\an7}I’m just going to have
to be okay with that.
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{\an7}James: I don’t know what
I did wrong, but I did
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{\an7}something wrong
in my dad’s eyes.
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{\an7}I remember he had taken
the belt off of him and
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{\an7}he had started hitting me
and then I remember looking
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{\an7}and it’s such a strange
visual, but I remember
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{\an7}seeing the cross with
the palms from lent
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{\an7}I think it was over it and
just staring at that visual
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{\an7}and thinking, even at
that age, is this what
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{\an7}Jesus felt, in this time.
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{\an7}Jan: I get really upset
with church because a lot
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{\an7}of awful things happen
because of church.
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{\an7}I just, I don’t believe
most of this stuff.
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{\an7}(laughs)
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{\an7}So, don’t do it.
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{\an7}James: The ten commandments
really stuck with me.
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{\an7}I mean those are, I don’t
know if that really a
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{\an7}bible story though.
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{\an7}David: Being a Jewish
household, especially with
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{\an7}my grandparents, every
so often they would refer
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{\an7}to somebody as a feygela
which I found out, I don’t
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{\an7}think I really found out that
they were gay but I found out
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{\an7}that if I meet them, they’d
be very sort of swishy.
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{\an7}James: Like you can’t
lie you can’t cheat,
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{\an7}covet their neighbor, thy
wife or something or other.
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{\an7}David: And they were the
feygela, which to this day
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{\an7}when I hear that I swear
to God I want to take
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{\an7}a shotgun to people.
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{\an7}James: Don’t kill, right?
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{\an7}David: Call him a fag but
don’t say it in Yiddish. Jesus.
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{\an7}James: No, I don’t
remember anything.
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{\an7}David: Religion has
never really had a lot of
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{\an7}resonance for me and I
see it now, as I’ve always
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{\an7}seen it, as something
that gets in the way.
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{\an7}Nic: I don’t choose to live
a homosexual lifestyle,
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{\an7}I don’t choose that,
that’s who I am.
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{\an7}I have to choose to live a lie,
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{\an7}and I’m not going to do that.
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{\an7}It’s just like theater,
there has to be truth
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{\an7}and the truth is
what connects us.
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{\an7}Lies don’t connect us,
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{\an7}and my life as a straight
man would be a lie.
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{\an7}I wouldn’t be
connected to the world,
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{\an7}I wouldn’t be who I am.
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{\an7}That would be a sin.
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{\an7}(crying)
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{\an7}Sheilagh: Joshua,
Joshua, Joshua.
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{\an7}(laughs)
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{\an7}This is the Lord, God.
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{\an7}Your father, stop
crying and be a man.
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{\an7}Much has been given
to you because much
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{\an7}is expected of you.
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{\an7}I don’t know at what
point in the play it
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{\an7}became something else.
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{\an7}It was like, I woke up and I
was in a spiritual journey,
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{\an7}and I was working on my
self issues and my spiritual
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{\an7}issues and any closeted
phobias I had and what
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{\an7}left over bad tapes from
Christian stuff I had.
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{\an7}It was like I was in a never
ending therapy session.
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{\an7}James: The process of
my father dying was when
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{\an7}I was re-introduced to God.
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{\an7}And all the angst my father
had given me as a kid,
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{\an7}it was fascinating to me
that in those two hours
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{\an7}I spent with him almost
everyday were actually the
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{\an7}most sanctified and
healing times I had lived
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{\an7}in my existence so far.
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{\an7}Sheilagh: Magic, miracles
happen on that stage, they do.
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{\an7}They really do.
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{\an7}James: But, I feel like
what I do know about my
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{\an7}fathers spirit is that,
it is a part of me.
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{\an7}We are of the same essence.
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{\an7}I know that, at the
core of him and of all
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{\an7}living things is
the essence of love
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{\an7}and that’s to me what life
is about and if you’re
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{\an7}caught up in your head
then you’re not living
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{\an7}in the moment and
that’s all there is.
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{\an7}Sheilagh: You will work
miracles, you will demonstrate
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{\an7}patience and practice
inextricable determination.
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{\an7}Bob: You can see that
in the cast members,
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{\an7}that the story has become
important and critical.
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{\an7}It’s become critical
because the denial of same
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{\an7}sex love in this
country is real.
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{\an7}James: Theater has always been,
to me, a tool for teaching.
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{\an7}Without talking to a specific
person in the audience
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{\an7}you’re actually talking to them.
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{\an7}You’re relating to them,
you’re connecting to them.
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{\an7}And that’s the beauty
of theater to me.
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{\an7}Why me?
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{\an7}Sheilagh: Why not you?
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{\an7}All men are divine.
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{\an7}James: What, I
couldn’t hear you.
422
00:24:30,990 --> 00:24:32,990
{\an7}Sheilagh: All men are divine.
423
00:24:32,990 --> 00:24:33,990
{\an7}James: Why are you whispering?
424
00:24:33,990 --> 00:24:35,490
{\an7}Sheilagh: That is the
secret you will teach them.
425
00:24:35,490 --> 00:24:36,490
{\an7}James: What if I don’t
want to share this secret
426
00:24:36,490 --> 00:24:37,490
{\an7}with my fellow men.
427
00:24:37,490 --> 00:24:38,990
{\an7}Sheilagh: You wont
be able to keep it.
428
00:24:38,990 --> 00:24:41,000
{\an7}James: What if I don’t
believe it myself?
429
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:42,500
{\an7}Sheilagh: No more
questions Joshua, I’m gone.
430
00:24:42,500 --> 00:24:43,500
{\an7}James: Gone, what do
you mean you’re gone.
431
00:24:43,500 --> 00:24:44,500
{\an7}You can’t be gone,
you’re supposed to be
432
00:24:44,500 --> 00:24:46,000
{\an7}everywhere all the time.
433
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,500
{\an7}Sheilagh: That is a very
big misunderstanding.
434
00:24:59,510 --> 00:25:01,520
{\an7}Voiceover: Things manifested
before my eyes that I
435
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:04,020
{\an7}didn’t think were possible.
436
00:25:07,020 --> 00:25:10,530
{\an7}Perfect example of that
was when we first started
437
00:25:10,530 --> 00:25:13,030
{\an7}to tour the show.
438
00:25:17,530 --> 00:25:19,030
{\an7}Sheilagh: It’s going to
be this amazing mystical,
439
00:25:19,030 --> 00:25:21,540
{\an7}religious, spiritual
experience and we’re going
440
00:25:21,540 --> 00:25:24,040
{\an7}to be blessed and we’re
going to bless so many lives.
441
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:27,040
{\an7}Brunette woman: Just like with
God or the divine or the holy or
442
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:32,050
{\an7}what you would call sacred,
words fail to describe
443
00:25:32,050 --> 00:25:34,550
{\an7}the place in the heart that
Corpus Christi touches.
444
00:25:35,050 --> 00:25:37,550
{\an7}Newsman: It depicts Jesus
as a gay man, the play
445
00:25:37,550 --> 00:25:40,060
{\an7}drew protest a decade
ago in New York City,
446
00:25:40,060 --> 00:25:42,060
{\an7}but will it still
cause a stir here?
447
00:25:42,060 --> 00:25:44,060
{\an7}Melissa: I’m ready,
I just want to go.
448
00:25:44,060 --> 00:25:45,560
{\an7}I think we’ve done all
the prep work and we’ve
449
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:47,060
{\an7}done all the
charities and stuff.
450
00:25:47,060 --> 00:25:48,560
{\an7}We’ve got a couple more to go,
451
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:50,070
{\an7}a little bit more
money to raise.
452
00:25:50,070 --> 00:25:51,570
{\an7}Molly: It’s just the
collective energy of all of us
453
00:25:52,070 --> 00:25:54,070
{\an7}going, we’re going, lets go.
454
00:25:54,070 --> 00:25:56,570
{\an7}And it’s not me going,
oh we’re going to do it
455
00:25:56,570 --> 00:25:58,570
{\an7}cause we’re going to ride
a stream and we’re just
456
00:25:58,570 --> 00:26:00,580
{\an7}going to go and it’s
all gonna happen
457
00:26:01,580 --> 00:26:03,580
{\an7}and so, because we
love each other.
458
00:26:03,580 --> 00:26:07,080
{\an7}I know there’s a lot
of work behind the love
459
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:11,090
{\an7}but I do know that we can
all make that happen now.
460
00:26:11,090 --> 00:26:14,090
{\an7}Voiceover: Corpus Christi,
which attracted protesters
461
00:26:14,090 --> 00:26:16,590
{\an7}back in 1998 when it was
staged in New York City,
462
00:26:17,090 --> 00:26:19,090
{\an7}has since gone around the world.
463
00:26:19,090 --> 00:26:21,600
{\an7}Voiceover: I feel
safe doing this show.
464
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:27,100
{\an7}Even when we’ve
gone to Scotland.
465
00:26:27,100 --> 00:26:29,610
{\an7}Jan: Don’t go out alone
because the bishop
466
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:33,110
{\an7}has said, you’re blasphemy.
467
00:26:33,110 --> 00:26:34,110
{\an7}Jimmy: That’s right,
there’s a new play about
468
00:26:34,110 --> 00:26:35,610
{\an7}a gay Jesus, in
this version Jesus
469
00:26:35,610 --> 00:26:37,610
{\an7}turns water into appletinis.
470
00:26:37,610 --> 00:26:39,610
{\an7}(audience laughter)
471
00:26:39,610 --> 00:26:42,120
{\an7}Voiceover: But it
was magical, we lived
472
00:26:42,120 --> 00:26:46,120
{\an7}in a six bedroom
flat in Edinburgh.
473
00:26:46,620 --> 00:26:49,120
{\an7}Molly: And all the schedules
we had on the walls,
474
00:26:50,630 --> 00:26:52,630
{\an7}Liz will be on her
menstrual cycle from this
475
00:26:52,630 --> 00:26:55,130
{\an7}date to this date,
then I get this week.
476
00:26:55,130 --> 00:26:57,130
{\an7}(laughter)
477
00:26:58,630 --> 00:27:00,640
{\an7}Steve: With Corpus
Christi we lived together,
478
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:04,140
{\an7}we grocery shopped together,
we did that for a month.
479
00:27:04,140 --> 00:27:07,140
{\an7}And we, honestly,
became a family.
480
00:27:07,140 --> 00:27:09,650
{\an7}Nic: With the Corpus
Christi family, I guess
481
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,150
{\an7}I would feel most like the dad.
482
00:27:12,150 --> 00:27:16,650
{\an7}The biggest gift I feel I
was given from, whatever
483
00:27:16,650 --> 00:27:18,150
{\an7}entity is being a dad.
484
00:27:18,150 --> 00:27:20,160
{\an7}Blonde woman: I’m getting
choked up just talking about it.
485
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:23,660
{\an7}Because there was so
much love between each
486
00:27:23,660 --> 00:27:26,160
{\an7}of these people
before they got into
487
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:27,660
{\an7}the role of the play.
488
00:27:27,660 --> 00:27:30,670
{\an7}Jan: I never used to say,
I love you, to people.
489
00:27:31,670 --> 00:27:37,170
{\an7}What, I mean you know,
what? You got to be kidding.
490
00:27:37,170 --> 00:27:40,180
{\an7}Blonde woman: I honestly
think this play is just
491
00:27:40,180 --> 00:27:44,180
{\an7}moving huge amounts of
energy in the world right now
492
00:27:45,180 --> 00:27:46,680
{\an7}to a place where we can
start loving each other.
493
00:27:47,180 --> 00:27:49,690
{\an7}Jan: How did I
learn how to love?
494
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:52,690
{\an7}I’m not real sure,
that I really have.
495
00:27:53,190 --> 00:27:54,690
{\an7}Really not sure.
496
00:27:54,690 --> 00:27:58,190
{\an7}Nic: But I see these
people inspire each other
497
00:27:58,190 --> 00:28:01,200
{\an7}to meditate, I see them
inspire each other to
498
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:04,700
{\an7}argue, don’t just sell
yourself on that, really argue.
499
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,700
{\an7}Inspire each other to treat
each other with respect.
500
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,710
{\an7}And it’s really thrilling.
501
00:28:11,210 --> 00:28:13,710
{\an7}Jan: Well what I thought
family was, was a mother
502
00:28:13,710 --> 00:28:17,710
{\an7}and a father and children
and some aunt and uncles.
503
00:28:18,210 --> 00:28:23,220
{\an7}Family now, to me, is
kind of like a director,
504
00:28:23,220 --> 00:28:26,220
{\an7}some actors, (laughs)
505
00:28:30,230 --> 00:28:34,730
{\an7}it’s just a, yea
that’s what it is.
506
00:28:36,230 --> 00:28:39,230
{\an7}Brunette woman: I walk
in as one person and
507
00:28:39,730 --> 00:28:43,240
{\an7}I came out as another
person and I watched
508
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:48,740
{\an7}an entire audience transform
until everyone dissolved
509
00:28:48,740 --> 00:28:52,750
{\an7}and there was just one
group, like one soul,
510
00:28:52,750 --> 00:28:55,750
{\an7}one heart on a journey.
511
00:28:56,250 --> 00:28:59,250
{\an7}Molly: Everywhere we
go we collect family.
512
00:28:59,250 --> 00:29:02,760
{\an7}I think Steve Susoyev
was one of them.
513
00:29:03,260 --> 00:29:04,760
{\an7}Steve: When I first saw
Corpus Christi I think as
514
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:08,760
{\an7}one often experiences
with something that feels
515
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,770
{\an7}a little bit bigger
than life, I thought,
516
00:29:11,770 --> 00:29:13,770
{\an7}I want these people in my
life, I want to be around
517
00:29:13,770 --> 00:29:16,270
{\an7}them and I want to get
to know them and have
518
00:29:16,270 --> 00:29:18,770
{\an7}them contribute
something to my life too.
519
00:29:18,770 --> 00:29:20,280
{\an7}And I sensed that,
that could happen.
520
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:21,780
{\an7}Molly: There have been
several audience members
521
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:23,780
{\an7}where when we go and
sit down at the end or
522
00:29:23,780 --> 00:29:26,280
{\an7}before we go back out and
I just remember placing
523
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:29,790
{\an7}my hands on his shoulders
and he was just sobbing.
524
00:29:29,780 --> 00:29:32,790
{\an7}And that just felt so
connected at that point.
525
00:29:32,790 --> 00:29:34,790
{\an7}Steve: I’ve fallen in
love with this play,
526
00:29:36,290 --> 00:29:39,800
{\an7}so for me, travelling,
going to Scotland for that
527
00:29:40,300 --> 00:29:44,800
{\an7}run in the French festival,
I got to see large
528
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,300
{\an7}numbers of people from
different parts of the world
529
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,310
{\an7}seeing the play for
the first time, seeing,
530
00:29:50,310 --> 00:29:51,810
{\an7}as I had done, seeing
something that they
531
00:29:51,810 --> 00:29:53,310
{\an7}weren’t expecting to see.
532
00:29:53,310 --> 00:29:55,810
{\an7}Blonde woman: I grew up
in a very, Christian home,
533
00:29:55,810 --> 00:29:57,810
{\an7}baptist to be specific.
534
00:29:57,810 --> 00:30:00,320
{\an7}Man in white: I was
raised a fundamental
Christian, pentecostal.
535
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:02,320
{\an7}Man in stripes: I am a Buddhist.
536
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,320
{\an7}Blonde woman: My departure
from the church directly
537
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,320
{\an7}had to do with
the AIDS epidemic.
538
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:08,320
{\an7}Red haired woman: I mean
it’s either separation
539
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:10,330
{\an7}of church and state or it’s not.
540
00:30:10,330 --> 00:30:12,330
{\an7}Blonde woman: My childhood
pastor, the man that I
541
00:30:12,330 --> 00:30:14,330
{\an7}grew up with my whole life,
came out and said that
542
00:30:14,330 --> 00:30:16,330
{\an7}it was God’s way of smiting.
543
00:30:16,330 --> 00:30:18,330
{\an7}Priest: Prejudice is a
very wicked thing, it’s
544
00:30:18,330 --> 00:30:22,340
{\an7}so contrary to everything, what
is the real Christian gospel.
545
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:24,840
{\an7}Red haired woman: And you let
any old idiot boy and girl
546
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:25,840
{\an7}get married, I mean
it just doesn’t
547
00:30:26,340 --> 00:30:27,840
{\an7}make any sense to
me, whatsoever.
548
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:29,340
{\an7}Man in white: And the
night the I came to see
549
00:30:29,340 --> 00:30:31,850
{\an7}Corpus Christi I almost
came antagonistically,
550
00:30:31,850 --> 00:30:33,850
{\an7}four years ago to just go okay,
551
00:30:33,850 --> 00:30:35,350
{\an7}what is this blasphemous crap.
552
00:30:35,350 --> 00:30:37,850
{\an7}Woman in glasses: My family
is everywhere over Texas,
553
00:30:37,850 --> 00:30:42,860
{\an7}I understand a lot of
the, there’s a reason
I’m not in Texas.
554
00:30:42,860 --> 00:30:45,360
{\an7}Man with beard: I just wonder
if things had be different
555
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:48,860
{\an7}in Texas, had Jesus been
there when I was growing
556
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:53,370
{\an7}up and that’s kind of what I’m
going to be wondering all night.
557
00:30:53,870 --> 00:30:56,370
{\an7}Man in white: And I wept,
and I wept and I wept
558
00:30:56,370 --> 00:30:59,370
{\an7}and I brought twelve friends
to the next performance.
559
00:30:59,370 --> 00:31:00,880
{\an7}Man in stripes: I guess
I had that kind of
560
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,380
{\an7}preconceived notion going
into it that it would
561
00:31:03,380 --> 00:31:07,380
{\an7}be some kind of, I don’t
know, maybe over the top
562
00:31:07,380 --> 00:31:12,890
{\an7}flaming drag queen kind
of show that it really
563
00:31:12,890 --> 00:31:15,890
{\an7}wouldn’t have much
meaning to me and,
564
00:31:23,900 --> 00:31:27,900
{\an7}I’m sorry. As it turned out,
it had a lot of meaning.
565
00:31:36,410 --> 00:31:39,410
{\an7}Elizabeth: This is the
scary part of the trip.
566
00:31:39,910 --> 00:31:42,920
{\an7}Miles and miles of
desert up ahead.
567
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,920
{\an7}Nothing but sand and hate.
568
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,920
{\an7}Not a place you
wanna break down in.
569
00:31:49,420 --> 00:31:53,430
{\an7}I did once, left
me a changed man.
570
00:31:54,430 --> 00:31:56,930
{\an7}You ever been alone like that?
571
00:31:56,930 --> 00:32:02,940
{\an7}Could drive a person, crazy.
572
00:32:02,940 --> 00:32:05,440
{\an7}Terrence: I mean
it’s a scary place.
573
00:32:05,940 --> 00:32:07,940
{\an7}And that’s very much, I
mean I wrote the scene
574
00:32:07,940 --> 00:32:10,450
{\an7}with the truck driver
and very much Texas is
575
00:32:10,450 --> 00:32:13,950
{\an7}lots of lonely roads,
God forsaken and
576
00:32:14,950 --> 00:32:16,950
{\an7}I would hate to be stranded
in any of those places.
577
00:32:16,950 --> 00:32:20,960
{\an7}Elizabeth: You can perish
in the desert, very quickly.
578
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,460
{\an7}It’s not something
to fuck around with.
579
00:32:25,460 --> 00:32:29,460
{\an7}Terrence: And that’s when the
devil can become apparent.
580
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,470
{\an7}Through James Dean,
in a funny way.
581
00:32:32,470 --> 00:32:35,470
{\an7}I think you would be
challenged by your demons
582
00:32:35,470 --> 00:32:38,470
{\an7}if you were left in the desert.
583
00:32:39,470 --> 00:32:41,980
{\an7}Suzanne: That’s how I died.
584
00:32:41,980 --> 00:32:44,980
{\an7}That Porsche with the
buzzard sitting on it.
585
00:32:45,980 --> 00:32:48,480
{\an7}You know how you’re gonna die?
586
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:50,490
{\an7}James: No.
587
00:32:50,490 --> 00:32:51,990
{\an7}Suzanne: You want to know?
588
00:32:51,990 --> 00:32:54,490
{\an7}I felt like growing up I
was being lied to alot.
589
00:32:54,990 --> 00:33:00,500
{\an7}I was being lied to in
regards to who I was.
590
00:33:00,500 --> 00:33:02,500
{\an7}I had people telling
me, well you’re a girl
591
00:33:02,500 --> 00:33:04,500
{\an7}you’re supposed to do
these things that are
592
00:33:04,500 --> 00:33:06,500
{\an7}very feminine, that
are very girly.
593
00:33:06,500 --> 00:33:09,500
{\an7}In fact I was absolutely
devastated when I realized
594
00:33:09,500 --> 00:33:11,510
{\an7}I wasn’t going to be a boy.
595
00:33:11,510 --> 00:33:14,010
{\an7}James: For God so
loved the world he gave
his only son to us.
596
00:33:14,010 --> 00:33:15,010
{\an7}(chuckles)
597
00:33:15,010 --> 00:33:16,510
{\an7}Suzanne: And he chose you.
598
00:33:16,510 --> 00:33:19,510
{\an7}I never got asked to go
to the dances and if I did
599
00:33:19,510 --> 00:33:22,520
{\an7}it was always very awkward
and I was like, ugh
600
00:33:23,020 --> 00:33:26,020
{\an7}I have to wear this dress and
dress shopping was like trauma.
601
00:33:26,020 --> 00:33:30,530
{\an7}The same with bra shopping,
I don’t want to do this,ever.
602
00:33:30,530 --> 00:33:33,030
{\an7}Mmm, you will feel
nothing but yourself.
603
00:33:33,530 --> 00:33:37,030
{\an7}Your needs, your pleasures,
a small price for all that.
604
00:33:37,530 --> 00:33:38,530
{\an7}Are you ready?
605
00:33:38,530 --> 00:33:40,040
{\an7}James: But it would be a lie.
606
00:33:40,030 --> 00:33:41,540
{\an7}Mark: When I started
doing the play, I wasn’t
607
00:33:41,540 --> 00:33:43,040
{\an7}out of my dark place yet.
608
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:46,540
{\an7}I was hospitalized for
a suicide attempt and I
609
00:33:46,540 --> 00:33:49,540
{\an7}remember sitting in the
emergency area outside
610
00:33:49,540 --> 00:33:52,550
{\an7}waiting to go home, after
they finally released me,
611
00:33:52,550 --> 00:33:57,550
{\an7}and just thinking,
how did I get here?
612
00:33:58,050 --> 00:34:00,050
{\an7}How did this happen to me.
613
00:34:00,050 --> 00:34:02,060
{\an7}Sheilagh: The drugs,
it was normal.
614
00:34:02,060 --> 00:34:03,560
{\an7}So when I tell people
I started doing cocaine
615
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:06,060
{\an7}when I was thirteen
people go, what?
616
00:34:06,060 --> 00:34:09,060
{\an7}It was normal, they
were everywhere.
617
00:34:09,060 --> 00:34:13,070
{\an7}Mark: There is acceptance
in using and running around
618
00:34:13,070 --> 00:34:16,570
{\an7}the people and, it was sort
of this false camaraderie.
619
00:34:17,070 --> 00:34:20,070
{\an7}As that became more important
in my life, people like
620
00:34:20,070 --> 00:34:21,080
{\an7}Nic, who were always
super important to me and
621
00:34:21,580 --> 00:34:24,580
{\an7}who I care about deeply,
didn’t matter anymore.
622
00:34:25,580 --> 00:34:28,580
{\an7}Sheilagh: My mother’s
white and my fathers black,
623
00:34:28,580 --> 00:34:30,590
{\an7}they divorced when I was two.
624
00:34:30,590 --> 00:34:35,090
{\an7}Jan: My folks were very
southern, very redneck.
625
00:34:35,090 --> 00:34:36,590
{\an7}Sheilagh: It was a
very segregated town,
626
00:34:36,590 --> 00:34:39,590
{\an7}the black people in Las Vegas
call it, little Mississippi.
627
00:34:40,090 --> 00:34:42,100
{\an7}Jan: Sheilagh’s going to
kill me if she hears this
628
00:34:42,100 --> 00:34:50,610
{\an7}but, niggers were good as
long as they kept their place.
629
00:34:50,610 --> 00:34:53,110
{\an7}Sheilagh: Stories of black folk
being buried in the desert.
630
00:34:55,110 --> 00:34:57,110
{\an7}That’s sort of where
the cops took you.
631
00:34:57,110 --> 00:35:00,620
{\an7}Jan: When I was, that’s
wild, when I was really
632
00:35:00,620 --> 00:35:11,130
{\an7}young I had a black
nanny and I, wow.
633
00:35:14,130 --> 00:35:18,130
{\an7}I can’t talk about that,
because it always gets me.
634
00:35:18,630 --> 00:35:22,140
{\an7}When we moved, she didn’t come.
635
00:35:22,140 --> 00:35:28,640
{\an7}So it’s like, I think a
hidden thing way inside
636
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,150
{\an7}that really make me crazy.
637
00:35:32,650 --> 00:35:35,650
{\an7}Sheilagh: I spend a lot
of my time, feeling like
638
00:35:35,650 --> 00:35:38,650
{\an7}an outcast, I just
sort of didn’t fit in.
639
00:35:39,150 --> 00:35:40,660
{\an7}Which is probably how I
ended up in the theater
640
00:35:40,660 --> 00:35:42,160
{\an7}cause I think that’s
where outcast go,
641
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,160
{\an7}is to the theater.
642
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:47,660
{\an7}Jan: You can’t get rid
of some of the things
643
00:35:47,660 --> 00:35:50,670
{\an7}you were very carefully taught.
644
00:35:57,170 --> 00:36:00,680
{\an7}Voiceover: Life on
newstalk 106 to 108.
645
00:36:01,180 --> 00:36:03,180
{\an7}Voiceover: It has been
the source of protest and
646
00:36:03,180 --> 00:36:05,680
{\an7}controversy in many countries,
this week Corpus Christi,
647
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:09,180
{\an7}a stage play which
depicts Jesus as a gay man
648
00:36:09,180 --> 00:36:13,190
{\an7}living in America in the
1950’s opened in Dublin
649
00:36:13,190 --> 00:36:14,690
{\an7}and it opened last night
as part of the Dublin
650
00:36:14,690 --> 00:36:17,190
{\an7}gay theater festival which
has already been criticized
651
00:36:17,690 --> 00:36:20,200
{\an7}here as offensive to Christians.
652
00:36:20,190 --> 00:36:23,200
{\an7}Steve: People, I was one of
the people, were expecting
653
00:36:23,700 --> 00:36:26,700
{\an7}some trouble, here’s
a Catholic country.
654
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:32,210
{\an7}So I walk up and I’m going
to confront them and I
655
00:36:32,210 --> 00:36:33,710
{\an7}started asking them questions.
656
00:36:33,710 --> 00:36:36,210
{\an7}So how many times have
you seen this play?
657
00:36:36,210 --> 00:36:37,710
{\an7}Well of course I knew they
hadn’t and I’m setting
658
00:36:37,710 --> 00:36:40,220
{\an7}them up and the woman
said, we haven’t seen it.
659
00:36:40,210 --> 00:36:42,720
{\an7}So you’re protesting a
play you haven’t even seen.
660
00:36:42,720 --> 00:36:44,220
{\an7}You haven’t even read
the script, I’m getting
661
00:36:44,720 --> 00:36:47,720
{\an7}louder and louder and
then Suzanne, a member of
662
00:36:47,720 --> 00:36:49,720
{\an7}the cast comes out with
a little video camera
663
00:36:49,720 --> 00:36:53,230
{\an7}and asks these people,
may I talk to you I’m in
664
00:36:53,230 --> 00:36:55,730
{\an7}the play and I’d like
to talk to you about it.
665
00:36:56,730 --> 00:36:58,730
{\an7}Suzanne: Have you seen
that play or read it?
666
00:36:58,730 --> 00:37:00,240
{\an7}Woman in white: No,
I read about it.
667
00:37:00,230 --> 00:37:01,740
{\an7}Suzanne: You read about it
but you’ve never actually
668
00:37:01,740 --> 00:37:03,240
{\an7}got the script or...
669
00:37:03,240 --> 00:37:05,740
{\an7}Woman in white: No, don’t
know. We know what it’s
670
00:37:05,740 --> 00:37:09,740
{\an7}about so we don’t need
to know every last word.
671
00:37:10,240 --> 00:37:11,750
{\an7}Suzanne: Oh really?
672
00:37:11,750 --> 00:37:14,250
{\an7}Man in glasses: It’s offensive,
objectively independent
673
00:37:14,250 --> 00:37:15,750
{\an7}of our subjective opinions.
674
00:37:16,750 --> 00:37:18,250
{\an7}So that’s why I’m here
to protest against
675
00:37:18,250 --> 00:37:19,750
{\an7}to make people aware of it.
676
00:37:19,750 --> 00:37:23,260
{\an7}Suzanne: Are you with, do you
practice a particular Christian-
677
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:25,260
{\an7}Woman in white: Yea,
we’re Roman Catholics.
678
00:37:25,260 --> 00:37:26,260
{\an7}Suzanne: Roman Catholic?
679
00:37:26,260 --> 00:37:27,760
{\an7}Woman in White: Yea.
That’s the one true church
680
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:29,760
{\an7}founded by Christ.
681
00:37:31,270 --> 00:37:33,270
{\an7}There are other Christian
denominations but
682
00:37:33,270 --> 00:37:34,770
{\an7}the Catholic church is
the one true church,
683
00:37:34,770 --> 00:37:36,270
{\an7}it’s the only one
founded by him.
684
00:37:36,270 --> 00:37:38,270
{\an7}Man with glasses: How would
you define what love is?
685
00:37:38,270 --> 00:37:43,280
{\an7}Suzanne: Oh love is, it’s
the only thing that matters
686
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:46,780
{\an7}and God’s given us that
capacity to love each other,
687
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,780
{\an7}openly and accepting everyone.
688
00:37:49,780 --> 00:37:52,290
{\an7}That’s how I would explain it.
689
00:37:52,290 --> 00:37:54,790
{\an7}Woman in white: When you
believe in something you...
690
00:37:54,790 --> 00:37:56,290
{\an7}Suzanne: Of course.
691
00:37:56,290 --> 00:37:59,290
{\an7}Woman in white: Really should
stand up for it and, why not?
692
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:05,300
{\an7}Man with glasses: You know,
shows like this endanger people
693
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:07,800
{\an7}and they trivialize religion.
694
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,310
{\an7}You know there’s, we lost
a sense of the sacred
695
00:38:10,810 --> 00:38:14,810
{\an7}and somethings are
beyond trifling with.
696
00:38:14,810 --> 00:38:16,810
{\an7}David: They haven’t read
it, they haven’t seen it
697
00:38:16,810 --> 00:38:19,310
{\an7}and that is just one more
way of saying, you see
698
00:38:19,310 --> 00:38:21,820
{\an7}you hate what you
don’t understand.
699
00:38:21,820 --> 00:38:23,820
{\an7}You hate what you’re
not willing to look at.
700
00:38:23,820 --> 00:38:26,820
{\an7}You’re not willing to, I’m
willing to look at you.
701
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:30,320
{\an7}Steve: I think there’s
bigotry and discrimination
702
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:31,830
{\an7}and I don’t think it
comes from a place of hate
703
00:38:32,330 --> 00:38:34,830
{\an7}I think it comes from
a place of ignorance.
704
00:38:34,830 --> 00:38:37,830
{\an7}David: This play has taught
me that you have something
705
00:38:37,830 --> 00:38:40,340
{\an7}that you believe in that’s
very important to you.
706
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:44,340
{\an7}Steve: It’s no longer
okay just to say, oh we’re
707
00:38:44,340 --> 00:38:45,840
{\an7}gonna agree to disagree.
708
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,840
{\an7}Not when the other
side is so wrong.
709
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:50,350
{\an7}I’m trying to understand
you, why can’t you
710
00:38:50,340 --> 00:38:52,850
{\an7}fucking try to understand me.
711
00:38:52,850 --> 00:38:53,850
{\an7}Suzanne: Do you go home tonight?
712
00:38:53,850 --> 00:38:54,850
{\an7}Woman in white: Yea, yea we do.
713
00:38:54,850 --> 00:38:56,350
{\an7}Suzanne: Travel back safely.
714
00:38:56,350 --> 00:38:57,350
{\an7}Woman in white: Well, thank you.
715
00:38:57,350 --> 00:38:58,350
{\an7}Suzanne: Yea, no problem.
716
00:38:58,350 --> 00:39:00,350
{\an7}Yea and be well. Be well.
717
00:39:00,350 --> 00:39:03,360
{\an7}Tom: Suzanne she was
gentle, she got them smiling
718
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,360
{\an7}and talking and it
was very simple.
719
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:09,860
{\an7}And something in Suzanne’s
approach really touched me.
720
00:39:09,860 --> 00:39:12,370
{\an7}I thought, I want to
think I can do that.
721
00:39:12,370 --> 00:39:14,870
{\an7}Suzanne: To come across
adults who are just so
722
00:39:14,870 --> 00:39:18,370
{\an7}unaware of this larger
concept of community, it’s
723
00:39:18,370 --> 00:39:20,880
{\an7}something so simple that
children get, as long
724
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:21,880
{\an7}as you teach it to them.
725
00:39:22,380 --> 00:39:23,880
{\an7}But if you’re teaching
them hate and if you’re
726
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:27,880
{\an7}teaching them
discrimination, they’re gonna
727
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:28,880
{\an7}go down that road.
728
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,890
{\an7}Elizabeth: I think it will
be a lot tougher for us
729
00:39:32,390 --> 00:39:35,390
{\an7}to go into these regions
that may really need to
730
00:39:35,390 --> 00:39:36,890
{\an7}see the show, right?
731
00:39:37,390 --> 00:39:41,400
{\an7}But I think it takes
more courage to go there.
732
00:39:43,900 --> 00:39:47,400
{\an7}But I think we should do it,
we should probably do it.
733
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:51,410
{\an7}But I can’t tell you
that I’m not nervous.
734
00:39:54,910 --> 00:39:57,410
{\an7}(harmonica music)
735
00:39:59,410 --> 00:40:01,420
{\an7}(laughter)
736
00:40:16,430 --> 00:40:19,430
{\an7}James: Then as it went on
and as we were having to just
737
00:40:19,430 --> 00:40:22,440
{\an7}continue to expand the
family that was created
738
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:25,940
{\an7}originally into something
more and that always
739
00:40:25,940 --> 00:40:30,950
{\an7}stuck with me because
it was so, easy really.
740
00:40:30,950 --> 00:40:33,950
{\an7}Man in brown: Hi. (chuckles)
741
00:40:36,450 --> 00:40:37,950
{\an7}Matthew: Yea, I just
joined the cast but
742
00:40:37,950 --> 00:40:40,960
{\an7}I’m actually from
Corpus Christi, Texas.
743
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,960
{\an7}So I grew up there and
so I sort have kind of
744
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:45,960
{\an7}a personal relationship
to the material and I had
745
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:49,460
{\an7}seen the cast do it over
the past couple of years
746
00:40:49,460 --> 00:40:50,970
{\an7}since Steve and I
have been together.
747
00:40:50,970 --> 00:40:52,970
{\an7}(multiple voices)
748
00:40:52,970 --> 00:40:54,970
{\an7}Anna: It’s going to be
a medium close up so...
749
00:40:54,970 --> 00:40:56,970
{\an7}Man in brown: Let me
move the bench a little.
750
00:40:56,970 --> 00:40:57,970
{\an7}Alright, lets get the bench.
751
00:40:58,470 --> 00:40:59,470
{\an7}Anna: I thought they’ve
been doing this for years,
752
00:40:59,470 --> 00:41:01,980
{\an7}I got to be prepared,
I got to be on my toes.
753
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,480
{\an7}Also, meeting people that
you’re gonna have this
754
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:11,990
{\an7}very emotional experience
with was like knowing
755
00:41:11,990 --> 00:41:13,490
{\an7}that you’re going to have
to go through that with
756
00:41:13,490 --> 00:41:16,990
{\an7}strangers and not just
strangers to you but they
757
00:41:16,990 --> 00:41:17,990
{\an7}all knew each other.
758
00:41:17,990 --> 00:41:19,990
{\an7}That was very, very strange.
759
00:41:19,990 --> 00:41:22,500
{\an7}It’s was very strange,
very scary at first.
760
00:41:23,500 --> 00:41:25,000
{\an7}Man in short sleeve: And they
striped him of his robes-
761
00:41:26,500 --> 00:41:27,500
{\an7}Anna: And the thing that’s
so important about this show
762
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:31,010
{\an7}is that it’s not in
bubble, the show doesn’t
763
00:41:31,010 --> 00:41:33,010
{\an7}exist in it’s own universe.
764
00:41:33,010 --> 00:41:35,510
{\an7}(multiple screaming)
765
00:41:35,510 --> 00:41:37,010
{\an7}James: Woah.
766
00:41:37,010 --> 00:41:38,010
{\an7}Man in brown: I got him.
767
00:41:38,010 --> 00:41:40,010
{\an7}(laughter)
768
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:47,020
{\an7}(multiple voices)
769
00:41:50,020 --> 00:41:53,530
{\an7}Man with sign: Do not
call yourself a Christian.
770
00:41:54,030 --> 00:41:57,030
{\an7}You’re a liar and deceiver.
771
00:42:07,540 --> 00:42:09,540
{\an7}(indistinct distance
shout from picketer)
772
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:12,050
{\an7}Man holding sign: Lets
see how that little
773
00:42:12,050 --> 00:42:16,050
{\an7}[unintelligible] on your faces
is gonna pass on judgement day.
774
00:42:17,050 --> 00:42:19,050
{\an7}Man with cap: Hell when
you die, sweetheart.
775
00:42:19,550 --> 00:42:21,060
{\an7}James: That man just
called me sweetheart.
776
00:42:21,060 --> 00:42:23,060
{\an7}(car horn)
777
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:30,060
{\an7}Voiceover: Well there’s
a lot of issues, you know
778
00:42:30,060 --> 00:42:32,570
{\an7}the reality is the bible is
very clear on these things.
779
00:42:33,570 --> 00:42:35,570
{\an7}And my own personal
opinion, I don’t even need a
780
00:42:35,570 --> 00:42:38,570
{\an7}bible for this stuff,
this is like a no duh.
781
00:42:38,570 --> 00:42:44,080
{\an7}I mean one guy bent over
another guy, doing him
782
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:47,580
{\an7}in his keister, I hate
to be so crude but
783
00:42:47,580 --> 00:42:50,080
{\an7}lets get it out
on the table here.
784
00:42:51,590 --> 00:42:54,090
{\an7}Nic: And we need to send
them our love, we need
785
00:42:54,090 --> 00:42:56,590
{\an7}to send them our good thoughts.
786
00:42:58,090 --> 00:43:02,100
{\an7}James: And just something
to think about too I just,
787
00:43:03,100 --> 00:43:06,600
{\an7}they may stay this
time, for the show so
788
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:09,600
{\an7}we make them part of the show.
789
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:12,110
{\an7}Man with glasses: In this
culture over the last
790
00:43:12,110 --> 00:43:15,610
{\an7}20 years things have
digressed to this point where
791
00:43:17,110 --> 00:43:20,110
{\an7}people can pick on any
religion except for Islam.
792
00:43:21,620 --> 00:43:23,620
{\an7}No one says anything
about Islam.
793
00:43:23,620 --> 00:43:26,120
{\an7}Nic: We may think they’re
misguided, we may wish
794
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:29,120
{\an7}their passion was used
in a different way but
795
00:43:29,620 --> 00:43:33,130
{\an7}it’s their place at this time
and we have to love them.
796
00:43:38,630 --> 00:43:41,140
{\an7}David: Get undressed,
you got five minutes.
797
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:47,640
{\an7}Did you hear what I said?
798
00:43:48,140 --> 00:43:49,640
{\an7}James: I love you.
799
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:51,650
{\an7}David: Say what?
800
00:43:51,650 --> 00:43:54,150
{\an7}James: I love you Phillip.
801
00:43:54,650 --> 00:43:57,150
{\an7}David: Yea I love
you too Charlie.
802
00:43:57,650 --> 00:44:01,160
{\an7}I hope you have
rubbers. I’m positive.
803
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:05,660
{\an7}Steve: And for me the moment
of truth, the defining
804
00:44:05,660 --> 00:44:08,660
{\an7}moment in the play was Phillip.
805
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,170
{\an7}Elizabeth: So this positive
thing, you know when
806
00:44:12,170 --> 00:44:19,670
{\an7}you heard oh you’re
positive, then you’re very
807
00:44:19,670 --> 00:44:24,180
{\an7}on guard, so that
means you wont be here.
808
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:28,680
{\an7}You wont be here and how long
and they were very frank.
809
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:31,190
{\an7}Well we think, you
know and then boom.
810
00:44:31,190 --> 00:44:34,190
{\an7}At that time period
they were just, gone.
811
00:44:34,190 --> 00:44:36,690
{\an7}And that was brutal for me.
812
00:44:36,690 --> 00:44:38,190
{\an7}I was like in my 20’s,
that was extremely hard
813
00:44:38,690 --> 00:44:41,700
{\an7}and it leaves you a
little bit guarded.
814
00:44:42,700 --> 00:44:45,700
{\an7}David: I can’t imagine
what anyone with any kind
815
00:44:45,700 --> 00:44:50,200
{\an7}of ongoing health issue,
what it does to you.
816
00:44:51,710 --> 00:44:54,210
{\an7}I don’t think you could
put yourself- I can’t say.
817
00:44:54,710 --> 00:44:56,210
{\an7}I can’t put myself in
their shoes, because it’s
818
00:44:56,210 --> 00:44:59,210
{\an7}not happening to me,
it may happen someday.
819
00:45:00,210 --> 00:45:02,720
{\an7}Mark: I can remember
doing that scene in the
820
00:45:02,720 --> 00:45:09,720
{\an7}beginning of the run and I
hadn’t really shared my HIV
821
00:45:09,720 --> 00:45:13,730
{\an7}status with any of my cast
members or really anybody.
822
00:45:14,230 --> 00:45:16,230
{\an7}Anna: I never actually
thought I would know so
823
00:45:16,230 --> 00:45:18,230
{\an7}many people who
are HIV positive.
824
00:45:19,230 --> 00:45:24,240
{\an7}And I grew up in a very,
very sheltered world
825
00:45:24,240 --> 00:45:27,740
{\an7}and that was something
that I didn’t think was
826
00:45:27,740 --> 00:45:31,250
{\an7}going to be apart of
my reality, in a way.
827
00:45:31,250 --> 00:45:35,250
{\an7}That it was other, it
happened to other people
828
00:45:35,750 --> 00:45:37,250
{\an7}not people I knew.
829
00:45:37,250 --> 00:45:39,250
{\an7}Elizabeth: But there was
something I guess I needed
830
00:45:39,250 --> 00:45:42,760
{\an7}to learn when I was
younger about the frigility
831
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:47,260
{\an7}of life and, but unfortunately
what I don’t like is
832
00:45:47,260 --> 00:45:49,260
{\an7}that it took all the, it
just took the best, it
833
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:53,270
{\an7}always takes the best,
the best and my creative
834
00:45:53,270 --> 00:45:56,270
{\an7}friends it was like
(breathy whistle sound)
835
00:45:56,270 --> 00:46:00,270
{\an7}His name is Phillip Erwin,
you know he kicked it
836
00:46:00,270 --> 00:46:05,780
{\an7}for a long time but when
he finally, I don’t know
837
00:46:05,780 --> 00:46:13,790
{\an7}he just knew and at least
he came and said goodbye.
838
00:46:18,290 --> 00:46:24,800
{\an7}But he’s, he’s gone and
he’s not coming back so
839
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:31,810
{\an7}you have to have a respect
of these fucking viruses.
840
00:46:32,310 --> 00:46:33,810
{\an7}Larry: It’s a plague and
it’s never been treated
841
00:46:33,810 --> 00:46:36,310
{\an7}as a plagues, it was a plague
from the very beginning
842
00:46:36,310 --> 00:46:38,310
{\an7}and they refused
to use that word.
843
00:46:38,810 --> 00:46:43,320
{\an7}And huge, huge, huge parts
of the world are just
844
00:46:43,820 --> 00:46:47,820
{\an7}overwhelmed with it,
millions of people, millions.
845
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:51,330
{\an7}I guess what troubled me
from day one is there’s
846
00:46:51,330 --> 00:46:53,330
{\an7}never been anyone
in charge, never.
847
00:46:53,330 --> 00:46:55,830
{\an7}You know you have a war you
should have a general, right?
848
00:46:55,830 --> 00:47:00,830
{\an7}Steve: To me, Phillip was
like a lot of gay men.
849
00:47:00,830 --> 00:47:04,840
{\an7}He was angry, he desperately
wanted connection with
850
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:09,340
{\an7}other people and the
only way he knew how to
851
00:47:09,340 --> 00:47:11,850
{\an7}get that was exploiting
his sexuality and I
852
00:47:12,350 --> 00:47:13,850
{\an7}think that is, that has been me,
853
00:47:13,850 --> 00:47:15,350
{\an7}that’s been so many of us.
854
00:47:15,850 --> 00:47:18,850
{\an7}David: You love the idea
of telling someone like me
855
00:47:18,850 --> 00:47:21,860
{\an7}that you love them,
makes you feel good.
856
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:25,360
{\an7}Well love, this!
857
00:47:25,860 --> 00:47:28,360
{\an7}Troy: I thought he was doing
well for about two weeks
858
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:30,870
{\an7}and then he called his
mother and then he told me
859
00:47:30,860 --> 00:47:34,370
{\an7}I’m gonna commit suicide,
he had seen his friends
860
00:47:34,370 --> 00:47:35,870
{\an7}dying from this disease.
861
00:47:35,870 --> 00:47:38,370
{\an7}James: I think I can heal you.
862
00:47:39,370 --> 00:47:41,380
{\an7}I think I can make you well.
863
00:47:41,380 --> 00:47:43,880
{\an7}David: I think you can
suck my dick now faggot.
864
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:45,380
{\an7}(loud inhale from all on stage)
865
00:47:45,380 --> 00:47:47,880
{\an7}James: Father heal this man.
866
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:48,880
{\an7}Mark: That when he had
said that it was almost
867
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:50,380
{\an7}like somebody punched
me in the back.
868
00:47:50,380 --> 00:47:53,390
{\an7}My back was to the audience
and touching one cast
869
00:47:53,390 --> 00:47:56,890
{\an7}member and our arms are up
and sort of a vulnerable
870
00:47:56,890 --> 00:48:04,400
{\an7}position anyway and
then to hear Joshua say
871
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:06,900
{\an7}you’re healed, and he said
I wish I could believe it
872
00:48:06,900 --> 00:48:08,900
{\an7}and he says well then do.
873
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:12,410
{\an7}And I wanted so desperately
to believe that.
874
00:48:12,910 --> 00:48:16,910
{\an7}Troy: I said, I promise
you, I will lay hands on
875
00:48:16,910 --> 00:48:19,910
{\an7}you and pray for
you every night.
876
00:48:19,910 --> 00:48:22,420
{\an7}Phillip: Every night he
would, he would, before
877
00:48:22,420 --> 00:48:24,420
{\an7}he would go to sleep he
would lay hands on me
878
00:48:24,420 --> 00:48:29,420
{\an7}and he’d pray for me
and I know that over the
879
00:48:29,420 --> 00:48:33,930
{\an7}course of these twenty
three, twenty four years
880
00:48:33,930 --> 00:48:37,430
{\an7}not only has Troy been
praying for me but other
881
00:48:37,430 --> 00:48:39,930
{\an7}MCC churches have had me
in their prayer circles
882
00:48:39,930 --> 00:48:42,940
{\an7}and that I count that
as one of the reason why
883
00:48:42,940 --> 00:48:45,940
{\an7}I’m still alive is in
the power of prayer.
884
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:49,940
{\an7}James: You are healed, Phillip.
885
00:48:52,950 --> 00:48:54,950
{\an7}David: I wish I
could believe that.
886
00:48:54,950 --> 00:48:57,450
{\an7}(sobbing)
887
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:04,960
{\an7}James: Then do.
888
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:16,470
{\an7}As you believe, so shall you be.
889
00:49:16,470 --> 00:49:18,970
{\an7}Mark: I wanted so desperately
to believe that, I wanted
890
00:49:18,970 --> 00:49:23,980
{\an7}to believe that, I
wanted that to be me.
891
00:49:23,980 --> 00:49:25,480
{\an7}(laughs)
892
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:26,980
{\an7}I wanted to be that
character, I wanted to be
893
00:49:26,980 --> 00:49:28,480
{\an7}the one kneeling
there and having him,
894
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:31,990
{\an7}have it all be okay.
895
00:49:31,990 --> 00:49:35,990
{\an7}Anna: It’s beautiful
and healing in one way
896
00:49:35,990 --> 00:49:37,990
{\an7}but it’s also very sad
in another way because
897
00:49:40,990 --> 00:49:44,500
{\an7}we don’t have a Jesus
here who can heal them
898
00:49:44,500 --> 00:49:46,000
{\an7}or can take it away.
899
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:49,000
{\an7}Bob: Jesus had a capacity
of really mustering
900
00:49:49,500 --> 00:49:52,510
{\an7}within a human person
that encountered him the
901
00:49:52,510 --> 00:49:56,010
{\an7}capabilities of people
healing themselves and
902
00:49:56,010 --> 00:49:58,510
{\an7}they believe themselves healed.
903
00:49:59,010 --> 00:50:05,520
{\an7}Our immune systems respond
because of how we feel.
904
00:50:06,020 --> 00:50:07,520
{\an7}Troy: And twenty three
years later he started
905
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:12,530
{\an7}with thirty six pills
and he’s down to one and
906
00:50:12,530 --> 00:50:15,530
{\an7}his HIV is non detectable.
907
00:50:16,030 --> 00:50:18,030
{\an7}Phillip: It’s just always
so nice when someone
908
00:50:18,530 --> 00:50:23,040
{\an7}you love puts their hands on
you to try and ease your pain.
909
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:27,040
{\an7}Man with beard: The reason
he destroyed those cities
910
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:31,550
{\an7}was because of
sodomy, homosexuality.
911
00:50:33,050 --> 00:50:36,550
{\an7}The very thing that’s
spinning America into the
912
00:50:36,550 --> 00:50:40,550
{\an7}vile actions that are
taking place today, folks.
913
00:50:55,070 --> 00:50:58,070
{\an7}Mark: Bartholomew and
I wanted our union
blessed for a long time.
914
00:50:58,070 --> 00:51:01,070
{\an7}Some acknowledgement of
what we were to each other.
915
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:03,080
{\an7}Matthew: We asked Josh,
they said it was against the
916
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:06,080
{\an7}law and the priest said it
was forbidden by scripture.
917
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:08,580
{\an7}Mark: If a man lies with
another man as with a woman
918
00:51:08,580 --> 00:51:11,090
{\an7}they have both committed
an abomination and
919
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:12,590
{\an7}should be put to death.
920
00:51:12,590 --> 00:51:14,590
{\an7}Their blood is upon them.
921
00:51:19,090 --> 00:51:21,600
{\an7}James: Why would you memorize
such a terrible passage.
922
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:23,100
{\an7}(laughter)
923
00:51:23,100 --> 00:51:24,600
{\an7}Cindi: That’s my theology
about that, why on
924
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:26,600
{\an7}earth would you memorize that.
925
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:30,100
{\an7}But then, if you’re
going to then you must
926
00:51:30,100 --> 00:51:34,610
{\an7}memorize the other six hundred
and thirty two Levitial
927
00:51:34,610 --> 00:51:39,110
{\an7}prohibitions or permissions
and you must follow them.
928
00:51:39,610 --> 00:51:42,120
{\an7}James: And God saw
everything that he made and
929
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:45,120
{\an7}behold it was very good.
930
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:47,620
{\an7}I can quote scripture
as well as the next man.
931
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:49,620
{\an7}Cindi: When they say oh
you have to pay attention
932
00:51:49,620 --> 00:51:52,630
{\an7}to these passages that I
think may refer to same
933
00:51:52,630 --> 00:51:55,130
{\an7}gender loving relationships,
which they did not
934
00:51:55,130 --> 00:51:58,630
{\an7}they referred to temple
prostitutes and all kinds
935
00:51:58,630 --> 00:52:01,140
{\an7}of things that had nothing
to do with homosexuality.
936
00:52:01,130 --> 00:52:04,140
{\an7}James: God loves us most
when we love each other.
937
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:07,140
{\an7}We accept you and we bless you.
938
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:11,150
{\an7}Cindi: So if you choose
to lean on that passage
939
00:52:11,140 --> 00:52:13,150
{\an7}to hurt another human being,
940
00:52:13,150 --> 00:52:15,650
{\an7}then you haven’t chosen Jesus.
941
00:52:15,650 --> 00:52:16,150
{\an7}James: Now who’s got a ring.
942
00:52:16,650 --> 00:52:17,650
{\an7}Mark: You mean you’ll do it?
943
00:52:17,650 --> 00:52:19,650
{\an7}James: If you say
nobody else will.
944
00:52:19,650 --> 00:52:21,160
{\an7}Matthew: Wait, out
here, someone might see.
945
00:52:21,150 --> 00:52:22,660
{\an7}James: Where would you
be married Bartholomew
946
00:52:22,660 --> 00:52:23,660
{\an7}down a dark hall?
947
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:25,660
{\an7}Matthew: There was
something about looking into
948
00:52:25,660 --> 00:52:29,660
{\an7}his eyes, making that
decision that I’m going
949
00:52:29,660 --> 00:52:32,170
{\an7}to commit myself to
this person for life.
950
00:52:32,170 --> 00:52:35,170
{\an7}I don’t really know what
that really means but
951
00:52:35,170 --> 00:52:37,670
{\an7}I think I got a glimpse of
it and it was beautiful.
952
00:52:37,670 --> 00:52:40,170
{\an7}Molly: Personally, I don’t
know if I’ll get married
953
00:52:40,170 --> 00:52:43,680
{\an7}again, but I know that
there are so many more
954
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:47,680
{\an7}federal rights that you
get as a married couple
955
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:50,180
{\an7}that you don’t get in
a civil union and I
956
00:52:50,180 --> 00:52:51,690
{\an7}don’t think it’s fair
to withhold that from
957
00:52:51,690 --> 00:52:53,190
{\an7}people that want that.
958
00:52:53,190 --> 00:52:54,690
{\an7}James: It is good
when two men love each
959
00:52:55,190 --> 00:52:57,690
{\an7}other as James and
Bartholomew do and we
960
00:52:57,690 --> 00:52:59,690
{\an7}recognize their union.
961
00:52:59,690 --> 00:53:02,200
{\an7}Terrence: Now we’ve become
terrible marriage advocates
962
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:04,700
{\an7}and people, friend of
ours, don’t bring it up we
963
00:53:04,700 --> 00:53:06,700
{\an7}don’t want to get married,
964
00:53:06,700 --> 00:53:07,700
{\an7}Terrence: We’ve been together
25 years Tom: We’ve gotten
straight couples married
965
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:10,700
{\an7}We’ve gotten two straight
couples to get married
966
00:53:10,700 --> 00:53:11,710
{\an7}but none of our gay friends.
967
00:53:11,710 --> 00:53:12,710
{\an7}Tom: Cohabited for decades and-
968
00:53:12,710 --> 00:53:14,210
{\an7}Terrence: But lived
together for years-
969
00:53:14,210 --> 00:53:15,710
{\an7}Tom: But at that end
970
00:53:15,710 --> 00:53:16,710
{\an7}Terrence: And they’re very
glad they did they said
971
00:53:16,710 --> 00:53:18,210
{\an7}you’re right, it
changes everything.
972
00:53:18,210 --> 00:53:20,710
{\an7}Joseph: The love we share
is a gift to everybody
973
00:53:20,710 --> 00:53:22,720
{\an7}else because it’s just,
like I said before, it’s
974
00:53:22,720 --> 00:53:25,720
{\an7}part of that God, that
spark of God that’s between
975
00:53:25,720 --> 00:53:28,220
{\an7}us that we have a chance
to share with other people.
976
00:53:28,220 --> 00:53:33,230
{\an7}James: I bless this marriage
in your name, Father, amen.
977
00:53:34,230 --> 00:53:39,230
{\an7}Matthew: I absolutely want to
get married, I do, but I can’t,
978
00:53:39,230 --> 00:53:45,240
{\an7}but I can’t, I can’t have that
and that’s what really sucks.
979
00:53:46,740 --> 00:53:48,740
{\an7}James: Have you come to bless
this marriage too Father?
980
00:53:48,740 --> 00:53:51,250
{\an7}Elizabeth: It is one thing for
you to preach your perversions
981
00:53:51,240 --> 00:53:53,250
{\an7}to ignorant and sentimental
men and women such as
982
00:53:53,250 --> 00:53:57,750
{\an7}yourselves but such travesties
of Gods natural order
983
00:53:57,750 --> 00:53:59,750
{\an7}will never be blessed in
the house of the lord.
984
00:53:59,750 --> 00:54:02,760
{\an7}Man with beard: Not one of
the people who proclaim that
985
00:54:03,260 --> 00:54:07,260
{\an7}this is a valid lifestyle
or whatever would be here
986
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:09,760
{\an7}at all if it weren’t
for a man and a woman.
987
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:12,270
{\an7}And that’s the way God
started it, that’s the way
988
00:54:12,270 --> 00:54:15,270
{\an7}it should be and that’s
the way it’s gonna end.
989
00:54:15,270 --> 00:54:17,770
{\an7}Bob: The Vatican has come
out and condemned me as
990
00:54:17,770 --> 00:54:21,280
{\an7}a gay man to prevent me
from getting married and
991
00:54:21,270 --> 00:54:25,280
{\an7}screams traditional family
values whereas two to
992
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:28,280
{\an7}three hundred thousand sexual
minors in the United States
993
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:31,790
{\an7}have been abused, where is
traditional family values.
994
00:54:31,790 --> 00:54:34,790
{\an7}Why aren’t they protecting
the children of Catholics.
995
00:54:34,790 --> 00:54:38,290
{\an7}Man with Beard: The
downfall of any culture
is moral degradation.
996
00:54:39,290 --> 00:54:40,790
{\an7}So it is what it is.
997
00:54:40,790 --> 00:54:42,800
{\an7}Tom: We have a structure
whereby rights are conferred
998
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:47,300
{\an7}upon to people who do that
and so if we have such
999
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:50,800
{\an7}a structure we have to give
it to everybody we can’t be
1000
00:54:51,300 --> 00:54:54,310
{\an7}selective about it or we can’t
call ourselves a democracy.
1001
00:54:54,810 --> 00:54:59,310
{\an7}James: When it was women’s
right, when it was the
1002
00:54:59,310 --> 00:55:03,320
{\an7}rights of Jews to live an
equal life, when it was
1003
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:07,820
{\an7}the rights of African Americans
to live an equal life.
1004
00:55:07,820 --> 00:55:10,320
{\an7}Tom: Loving v. Virginia
which was the miscegenation,
1005
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:12,330
{\an7}the supreme court case which
1006
00:55:12,330 --> 00:55:14,330
{\an7}struck down miscegenation laws.
1007
00:55:14,330 --> 00:55:18,830
{\an7}Laws that said that
inter-racial marriages could be
1008
00:55:18,830 --> 00:55:20,330
{\an7}prohibited by the states.
1009
00:55:20,330 --> 00:55:22,340
{\an7}James: When these waves of
movements happened, there’s
1010
00:55:22,340 --> 00:55:25,840
{\an7}a lot of ego and fear
and challenge brought up.
1011
00:55:26,340 --> 00:55:28,340
{\an7}People fighting
against the change.
1012
00:55:28,340 --> 00:55:31,850
{\an7}Tom: That was 1969,
that’s 41 years ago.
1013
00:55:31,850 --> 00:55:36,350
{\an7}Why it takes us so
long to learn from the
1014
00:55:36,350 --> 00:55:39,350
{\an7}mistakes of history
is maddening to me.
1015
00:55:39,350 --> 00:55:42,360
{\an7}Sheilagh: Nic and I had
a real hard time around
1016
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:44,360
{\an7}sort of the prop 8 stuff.
1017
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:46,360
{\an7}Nic: It really just felt
like it was going to happen
1018
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:48,860
{\an7}at some point anyway,
then Prop 8 happened and I
1019
00:55:48,860 --> 00:55:51,870
{\an7}so detached myself from
it and I realized I
1020
00:55:51,870 --> 00:55:53,870
{\an7}detached myself because I
felt like all over again
1021
00:55:53,870 --> 00:55:55,870
{\an7}the world was telling
me, you are wrong,
1022
00:55:55,870 --> 00:55:57,870
{\an7}you’re not worthy and we’re
not going to give you this.
1023
00:55:57,870 --> 00:55:59,870
{\an7}Not even that, they’re going
to take it away from me.
1024
00:55:59,870 --> 00:56:01,880
{\an7}That got me worked up.
1025
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:03,380
{\an7}Sheilagh: And it wasn’t
just from Nic it was like
1026
00:56:03,380 --> 00:56:05,380
{\an7}there were really horrible
things being said about
1027
00:56:05,380 --> 00:56:09,880
{\an7}Africans, African Americans,
country by white gay folk
1028
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:13,390
{\an7}and black folks that went to
try and stand in solidarity
1029
00:56:13,390 --> 00:56:15,890
{\an7}that had racial
slurs hurled at them.
1030
00:56:15,890 --> 00:56:17,390
{\an7}Nic: I don’t like people
being offended when its
1031
00:56:17,890 --> 00:56:19,890
{\an7}called a civil rights
movement, I’m offended
1032
00:56:19,890 --> 00:56:21,900
{\an7}when they tell me that its not.
1033
00:56:22,900 --> 00:56:25,900
{\an7}Sheilagh: The
revolutionary in me,
1034
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:30,900
{\an7}says why are gay people
fighting so hard to fit
1035
00:56:30,900 --> 00:56:33,910
{\an7}into the system that
can’t stand them.
1036
00:56:35,410 --> 00:56:38,410
{\an7}Man with beard: America
is going down hill, fast.
1037
00:56:39,410 --> 00:56:42,420
{\an7}And the abomination that’s
being taught in this
1038
00:56:42,420 --> 00:56:45,420
{\an7}church is very much
one of those reasons.
1039
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:50,920
{\an7}God hates homosexuality.
God hates you.
1040
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:55,930
{\an7}James: You are
hypocrites. You are liars.
1041
00:56:56,430 --> 00:56:59,430
{\an7}You have perverted my
fathers words to make them
1042
00:56:59,430 --> 00:57:03,440
{\an7}serve your ends, I despise you.
1043
00:57:03,940 --> 00:57:06,440
{\an7}Matthew: I think that if
we were to have a second
1044
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:08,940
{\an7}coming of Christ or whatever
I think that he would
1045
00:57:08,940 --> 00:57:13,450
{\an7}just be so very
disappointed and that really
1046
00:57:13,450 --> 00:57:16,450
{\an7}breaks my heart, because
it wouldn’t be that he’s
1047
00:57:16,450 --> 00:57:21,450
{\an7}disappointed in the gay
community, you know.
1048
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:24,960
{\an7}It would be because
he’s disappointed that
1049
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:27,460
{\an7}people aren’t loving each other.
1050
00:57:40,470 --> 00:57:42,480
{\an7}Woman in pink: The controversial
play, Corpus Christi
1051
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:43,980
{\an7}made it’s Dallas debut tonight.
1052
00:57:43,980 --> 00:57:46,480
{\an7}It portrays Jesus as gay.
1053
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:48,980
{\an7}You might remember Tarleton
State University cancelled
1054
00:57:48,980 --> 00:57:52,490
{\an7}the play earlier this year
citing, safety concerns.
1055
00:57:52,490 --> 00:57:54,990
{\an7}Nic: We have avoided
Texas for a long time
1056
00:57:54,990 --> 00:57:57,990
{\an7}but when we heard about
the cancellation of
1057
00:57:57,990 --> 00:58:02,500
{\an7}the student production,
it just spoke to us.
1058
00:58:02,500 --> 00:58:04,000
{\an7}James: And then you have
other shows that have
1059
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:07,000
{\an7}since been cancelled because
of, for that same reason
1060
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:11,000
{\an7}and it is hard not to
go into a space thinking
1061
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:13,510
{\an7}that, okay, well this
is what we’re entering.
1062
00:58:13,510 --> 00:58:17,010
{\an7}I am definitely starting
to receive a lot of emails
1063
00:58:17,510 --> 00:58:24,020
{\an7}that are, hurtful, I would say.
1064
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:26,020
{\an7}This one person just
wrote me an email
1065
00:58:26,020 --> 00:58:29,020
{\an7}[unintelligible] when you
come to Texas I find you
1066
00:58:29,020 --> 00:58:31,020
{\an7}and I will hurt you.
1067
00:58:33,030 --> 00:58:36,030
{\an7}And it’s just so weird
to me because, it’s weird
1068
00:58:36,030 --> 00:58:41,030
{\an7}to say that out loud, it
scares me a little bit,
1069
00:58:41,530 --> 00:58:44,040
{\an7}just that someone
is that extreme.
1070
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:46,540
{\an7}Molly: I felt a little
bit of fear for Brandon,
1071
00:58:46,540 --> 00:58:49,040
{\an7}just like a gut reaction.
1072
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:51,550
{\an7}If say the shows
were interrupted
1073
00:58:51,540 --> 00:58:53,050
{\an7}by somebody in the audience.
1074
00:58:53,050 --> 00:58:55,550
{\an7}Nic: I think our best
bet, and I have felt like
1075
00:58:55,550 --> 00:58:58,050
{\an7}there was a group consensus
on this, is to just stop.
1076
00:58:58,050 --> 00:58:59,550
{\an7}If it sounds threatening,
we’re going to
1077
00:58:59,550 --> 00:59:02,060
{\an7}walk away and we’ll be back.
1078
00:59:02,060 --> 00:59:04,060
{\an7}I’m responsible for more
than just my own life
1079
00:59:04,060 --> 00:59:07,560
{\an7}now, I’m responsible for
two children and I might
1080
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:10,060
{\an7}be willing to take risks
but I have to recognize
1081
00:59:10,060 --> 00:59:12,070
{\an7}that any risk I take on
myself and anything that
1082
00:59:12,070 --> 00:59:15,070
{\an7}happens to me profoundly effects
these two little children.
1083
00:59:15,070 --> 00:59:18,070
{\an7}Melissa: We’re just,
protected on so man levels.
1084
00:59:18,570 --> 00:59:22,080
{\an7}I think we can feel that
with us, just our family
1085
00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:26,080
{\an7}that we are and this play is
protected, this production
1086
00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:31,590
{\an7}and I think it keeps resonating,
the protection levels
1087
00:59:31,580 --> 00:59:34,090
{\an7}go up and up and up and
out and out and out and
1088
00:59:35,090 --> 00:59:37,090
{\an7}I just see really good stuff.
1089
00:59:37,090 --> 00:59:39,090
{\an7}I do see people
getting stirred up,
1090
00:59:39,090 --> 00:59:40,590
{\an7}but that’s why we’re doing this.
1091
00:59:40,590 --> 00:59:43,100
{\an7}I think it’s great that
we’re going to Texas.
1092
00:59:43,100 --> 00:59:46,100
{\an7}I think it’s time
that we go to Texas.
1093
00:59:47,100 --> 00:59:49,600
{\an7}Wave our rainbow
flag down south.
1094
00:59:50,100 --> 00:59:52,610
{\an7}Paul: There’s something
that will be very,
1095
00:59:52,610 --> 00:59:55,110
{\an7}that will mean a lot to
me to go back to a place
1096
00:59:55,110 --> 01:00:00,610
{\an7}that I grew up in and
felt so, like I had to
hide to protect myself.
1097
01:00:00,610 --> 01:00:05,120
{\an7}And kind of excited that
it will stir people and
1098
01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:08,120
{\an7}people will protest
it because I like that
1099
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:10,120
{\an7}I want to be apart of
something that will challenge
1100
01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:12,630
{\an7}people and this
definitely will do that.
1101
01:00:12,630 --> 01:00:14,630
{\an7}Mark: We’re wandering
into that bible belt now,
1102
01:00:14,630 --> 01:00:18,630
{\an7}we’re wandering into that
sort of uber Christian
1103
01:00:18,630 --> 01:00:22,140
{\an7}land of, this is what’s right
and this is what’s wrong
1104
01:00:22,140 --> 01:00:24,140
{\an7}and there’s no,
there zero grey area.
1105
01:00:24,140 --> 01:00:27,140
{\an7}I think awareness also
brings certain amount of
1106
01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:30,140
{\an7}strength as well, going
into something and knowing,
1107
01:00:30,140 --> 01:00:35,150
{\an7}just being sharp and kind of
carrying your wits about you.
1108
01:00:35,150 --> 01:00:36,650
{\an7}But I think it’s important.
1109
01:00:36,650 --> 01:00:37,650
{\an7}Melissa: And it’s
the right time.
1110
01:00:37,650 --> 01:00:41,650
{\an7}I mean we could have
done this, what two years
1111
01:00:41,650 --> 01:00:43,660
{\an7}ago, three years ago but
we didn’t we’re going
1112
01:00:43,660 --> 01:00:46,160
{\an7}this time, we’re leaving
in a few days and
1113
01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:48,660
{\an7}we’re doing it right now,
now is the right time
1114
01:00:48,660 --> 01:00:50,660
{\an7}because we’re going now.
1115
01:00:53,670 --> 01:00:55,170
{\an7}Bob: I think you run into
a little more difficulty
1116
01:00:55,170 --> 01:00:57,170
{\an7}when you get into Texas.
1117
01:00:57,170 --> 01:01:00,670
{\an7}I think Texas is a
heavily bible belt.
1118
01:01:01,170 --> 01:01:03,180
{\an7}I’m not sure even Texas
is really part of the
1119
01:01:03,180 --> 01:01:06,680
{\an7}United States but that’s
my opinion but it’s
1120
01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:09,680
{\an7}worthwhile because it
may be going into the
heart of darkness.
1121
01:01:10,180 --> 01:01:11,690
{\an7}Sheilagh: I think it’s a
mistake to take the show
1122
01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:17,190
{\an7}to the south and not be
real, real clear about
1123
01:01:17,190 --> 01:01:21,190
{\an7}what we’re doing and
that we could possibly be
1124
01:01:21,190 --> 01:01:24,200
{\an7}endangering people and
that when people make the
1125
01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:26,700
{\an7}choice to get on those
planes or on that bus
1126
01:01:26,700 --> 01:01:30,200
{\an7}or whatever, that they
understand what they’re doing.
1127
01:01:36,210 --> 01:01:39,210
{\an7}Jo: We had the Dallas
police come in to
1128
01:01:39,210 --> 01:01:42,720
{\an7}talk to us, they said that
their greatest concern
1129
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:48,220
{\an7}was the silent, angry,
mentally unstable person.
1130
01:01:49,220 --> 01:01:50,220
{\an7}Molly: You spell
the word, violence
1131
01:01:50,220 --> 01:01:52,730
{\an7}to get into the peace center.
1132
01:01:53,230 --> 01:01:56,230
{\an7}Jan: You know, we could
just be there and some
1133
01:01:56,230 --> 01:01:59,730
{\an7}kook can decide to
bomb us or something.
1134
01:02:00,230 --> 01:02:04,240
{\an7}Jo: Any church knows that,
that’s your greatest risk.
1135
01:02:04,740 --> 01:02:10,740
{\an7}Somebody wandering in,
unassuming, looks ordinary
1136
01:02:10,740 --> 01:02:15,250
{\an7}and yet are so
emotionally unstable that
1137
01:02:15,250 --> 01:02:16,750
{\an7}they would do violence.
1138
01:02:16,750 --> 01:02:18,750
{\an7}Sheilagh: They take their
Jesus very seriously there
1139
01:02:19,250 --> 01:02:23,260
{\an7}and when I think about
taking a gay Jesus play
1140
01:02:23,260 --> 01:02:25,760
{\an7}to the south it almost
makes me think that
1141
01:02:26,260 --> 01:02:29,260
{\an7}God has sort of kept us
safe up to now because we
1142
01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:32,270
{\an7}gone need all of our strength.
1143
01:02:32,770 --> 01:02:35,770
{\an7}Bob: There is a price
to pay with visibility.
1144
01:02:37,270 --> 01:02:41,270
{\an7}So performing in theater
context that is so volatile,
1145
01:02:41,270 --> 01:02:45,780
{\an7}especially touching
homophobia, that internalized
1146
01:02:45,780 --> 01:02:48,780
{\an7}homophobia is used
to strike out and
1147
01:02:48,780 --> 01:02:51,280
{\an7}it’s usually to
strike out violently.
1148
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:53,290
{\an7}Mark: If there going to be
somebody stupid out there,
1149
01:02:53,290 --> 01:02:55,290
{\an7}if we went to Texas
that’s just that proud of
1150
01:02:55,290 --> 01:02:58,290
{\an7}Corpus Christi, Texas and
just that in love with the
1151
01:02:58,290 --> 01:03:02,800
{\an7}idea that Jesus is only
one way that something
1152
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:05,300
{\an7}bad could happen,
that’s a little spooky.
1153
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:08,800
{\an7}Sheilagh: At a minimum
there will be crowds,
1154
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:11,300
{\an7}at a maximum someone
could get seriously hurt.
1155
01:03:11,300 --> 01:03:19,310
{\an7}Jo: I just decided that,
that we could bare the risk.
1156
01:03:21,810 --> 01:03:26,320
{\an7}And we doubled our
security and we did all the
1157
01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:28,820
{\an7}right things, we were
completely prepared.
1158
01:03:28,820 --> 01:03:31,320
{\an7}Anna: Well my boyfriend
was really concerned about
1159
01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:34,830
{\an7}that when I first told him,
he was thinking not only
1160
01:03:34,830 --> 01:03:36,330
{\an7}do you have people who
are going to be protesting
1161
01:03:36,330 --> 01:03:38,330
{\an7}but you have people
who have guns who are
1162
01:03:38,330 --> 01:03:40,330
{\an7}going to be protesting.
1163
01:03:40,330 --> 01:03:42,340
{\an7}James: I remember when I
first got that one email
1164
01:03:42,340 --> 01:03:44,840
{\an7}where he said he’d hurt
me if I came to Texas
1165
01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:47,340
{\an7}and had a whole
plan of how he would
1166
01:03:47,340 --> 01:03:49,840
{\an7}do that which I actually,
1167
01:03:53,850 --> 01:03:58,350
{\an7}I think what kind of
shocked me the most
1168
01:03:58,350 --> 01:04:00,850
{\an7}is how intricate if was.
1169
01:04:00,850 --> 01:04:02,360
{\an7}Sheilagh: Sort of having
this fear in the pit of
1170
01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:04,860
{\an7}my stomach that someone
was going to be outside,
1171
01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:08,860
{\an7}waiting for your guys,
waiting for my family.
1172
01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:10,860
{\an7}James: You know he’ll
come to the theater and
1173
01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:13,870
{\an7}he’ll be in the line of
protesters and we wont know
1174
01:04:13,870 --> 01:04:16,370
{\an7}him because we don’t
know what he looks like.
1175
01:04:16,370 --> 01:04:21,370
{\an7}Bob: There are a lot of
fanatic, crazy, pathalogical
1176
01:04:21,370 --> 01:04:22,880
{\an7}Christians out there.
1177
01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:24,880
{\an7}James: And we’re gonna
walk through and then he’s
1178
01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:27,880
{\an7}going to come out and
like have a gun and just
1179
01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:30,380
{\an7}shoot as many people as he can.
1180
01:04:41,890 --> 01:04:45,400
{\an7}Newsman: In the end a church
hosted this controversial play.
1181
01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:48,900
{\an7}And after weeks of
outcry, on opening night,
1182
01:04:48,900 --> 01:04:51,400
{\an7}not a single protester.
1183
01:04:56,910 --> 01:05:02,420
{\an7}James: Made me very aware
of the preciousness of life
1184
01:05:03,420 --> 01:05:05,920
{\an7}and how grateful
I was to be alive.
1185
01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:10,420
{\an7}And if that email had to
be a catalyst for that,
1186
01:05:10,420 --> 01:05:13,930
{\an7}well then I want to thank
that man who threatened me.
1187
01:05:19,930 --> 01:05:25,440
{\an7}Paul: If you look at the
hatred to now where we
1188
01:05:25,440 --> 01:05:29,440
{\an7}take it to Texas and there’s
no controversy at all.
1189
01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:32,950
{\an7}We have come a long way,
we’ve come a long way
1190
01:05:32,950 --> 01:05:36,450
{\an7}and we’ve got a long way to go.
1191
01:05:36,950 --> 01:05:39,450
{\an7}Got a long way to go.
1192
01:05:40,450 --> 01:05:42,460
{\an7}Terrence: This production
of Corpus Christi I was
1193
01:05:42,460 --> 01:05:45,460
{\an7}blessed to find a
director and cast who
1194
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:49,960
{\an7}got what I was doing in
a way that I didn’t know
1195
01:05:49,960 --> 01:05:50,960
{\an7}when I was writing it.
1196
01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:53,970
{\an7}I felt I finally saw my
play cause in New York
1197
01:05:53,970 --> 01:05:56,970
{\an7}the original production,
with the police dogs
1198
01:05:56,970 --> 01:06:00,970
{\an7}and the metal detectors
and the protesters, I never
1199
01:06:00,970 --> 01:06:05,480
{\an7}really saw the play it was
too harrowing a social event.
1200
01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:10,980
{\an7}But every so often,
something takes on it’s own
1201
01:06:10,980 --> 01:06:14,990
{\an7}life and enters consciousness
of other people and
1202
01:06:15,490 --> 01:06:16,990
{\an7}that’s finally why
you do it, I think.
1203
01:06:16,990 --> 01:06:20,490
{\an7}Norman: Thank God for people
like Terrence McNally.
1204
01:06:20,990 --> 01:06:25,000
{\an7}Some of the subjects are so
important in American life,
1205
01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:27,500
{\an7}would never have been discussed
had he not raised them.
1206
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:32,000
{\an7}Nic: I hear my cast talk
about great things that
1207
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:34,510
{\an7}the show has done for them
and I sincerely believe
1208
01:06:34,510 --> 01:06:37,010
{\an7}that, and I know it’s done
incredible things for me.
1209
01:06:37,010 --> 01:06:39,510
{\an7}But I also recognize that
a lot of them have evolved
1210
01:06:39,510 --> 01:06:41,510
{\an7}a lot further than I have.
1211
01:06:41,510 --> 01:06:44,520
{\an7}It’s like raising a child,
you push them forward
1212
01:06:44,520 --> 01:06:46,520
{\an7}and they go off and live
and then you’re left
1213
01:06:46,520 --> 01:06:50,520
{\an7}going, oh I forgot
to evolve, myself.
1214
01:06:51,020 --> 01:06:54,530
{\an7}Suzanne: I’ve really found
a spiritual way for myself.
1215
01:06:55,030 --> 01:06:57,030
{\an7}And I feel like everything
that I’ve learned from it
1216
01:06:57,030 --> 01:06:59,530
{\an7}I will continue to
give to other people.
1217
01:06:59,530 --> 01:07:01,530
{\an7}Cindi: The whole point
of Jesus coming wasn’t
1218
01:07:02,030 --> 01:07:04,040
{\an7}his death, burial
and Resurrection.
1219
01:07:04,540 --> 01:07:07,040
{\an7}That’s important but
what’s really important was
1220
01:07:07,040 --> 01:07:10,040
{\an7}exactly how he lived his
life out moment by moment.
1221
01:07:10,040 --> 01:07:13,550
{\an7}Bob: I keep remembering
the line in Isiah,
1222
01:07:13,550 --> 01:07:18,050
{\an7}my house is a house of
prayer for all peoples.
1223
01:07:19,050 --> 01:07:21,550
{\an7}I think Corpus Christi
is addressing that and
1224
01:07:21,550 --> 01:07:25,060
{\an7}it has become part of
the message to deal with
1225
01:07:25,060 --> 01:07:28,560
{\an7}homophobia and so yeah
there’s power there and
1226
01:07:30,560 --> 01:07:33,070
{\an7}the cast I think realizes that.
1227
01:07:33,070 --> 01:07:35,070
{\an7}Listening to them talk
about their spirituality,
1228
01:07:35,070 --> 01:07:38,570
{\an7}it was clear that their
spirituality is Corpus Christi.
1229
01:07:38,570 --> 01:07:40,570
{\an7}James: I think the
dialogue that I have found
1230
01:07:40,570 --> 01:07:44,580
{\an7}is being created is within
our community that has
1231
01:07:44,580 --> 01:07:47,580
{\an7}felt ostracized and
lost and now feel
1232
01:07:47,580 --> 01:07:50,580
{\an7}found again through this piece.
1233
01:07:50,580 --> 01:07:52,090
{\an7}Then our community comes
from an empowered place
1234
01:07:52,080 --> 01:07:55,590
{\an7}of being and that
empowerment is what will make
1235
01:07:55,590 --> 01:07:58,590
{\an7}the change happen that
everyone is seeking.
1236
01:07:58,590 --> 01:08:01,090
{\an7}Not all the fighting,
not all the negativity
1237
01:08:01,090 --> 01:08:04,100
{\an7}but simply living from
an empowered place,
1238
01:08:04,100 --> 01:08:08,600
{\an7}which we are creating, we
are able to make bigger
1239
01:08:08,600 --> 01:08:12,110
{\an7}changes then we would have
ever thought possible.
1240
01:08:12,610 --> 01:08:14,610
{\an7}Nic: I really look toward
Corpus Christi to keep me
1241
01:08:14,610 --> 01:08:19,610
{\an7}centered and so the idea
of it ending, the only
1242
01:08:19,610 --> 01:08:22,120
{\an7}thing that stops me from
getting emotional about that
1243
01:08:22,620 --> 01:08:25,120
{\an7}is the knowledge that this
show, the performances
1244
01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:29,620
{\an7}may stop but the message
is already out there.
1245
01:08:30,620 --> 01:08:35,630
{\an7}Jan: I will remember most,
how kind everybody was.
1246
01:08:38,130 --> 01:08:42,640
{\an7}And I know that I wont be
in touch with everybody.
1247
01:08:43,140 --> 01:08:46,140
{\an7}There wont be the rehearsal,
there wont be the show
1248
01:08:46,140 --> 01:08:50,140
{\an7}so there wont be that circle.
1249
01:08:51,140 --> 01:08:54,150
{\an7}It’ll be a great
part of my life.
1250
01:08:55,650 --> 01:08:58,150
{\an7}Getting close to the end of it.
1251
01:08:59,150 --> 01:09:03,660
{\an7}I don’t get to tears a
lot so sometimes I feel
1252
01:09:03,660 --> 01:09:09,160
{\an7}like that’s a negative,
should be able to do that
1253
01:09:09,660 --> 01:09:12,170
{\an7}but it doesn’t happen.
1254
01:09:12,160 --> 01:09:13,670
{\an7}David: But I’ve always
said if I ever got arrested
1255
01:09:13,670 --> 01:09:15,670
{\an7}I’m not sure who I’d call.
1256
01:09:15,670 --> 01:09:17,670
{\an7}This group is the closest
I’ve gotten to the
1257
01:09:17,670 --> 01:09:20,670
{\an7}group that, I feel, has my back.
1258
01:09:20,670 --> 01:09:24,180
{\an7}So that’s been the biggest
blessing through this.
1259
01:09:24,180 --> 01:09:27,180
{\an7}Matthew: I can’t even remember
the last time that I felt
1260
01:09:27,180 --> 01:09:30,180
{\an7}some sets of spirituality
in my life or in my
1261
01:09:30,180 --> 01:09:31,680
{\an7}thinking or, you know? (laughs)
1262
01:09:31,680 --> 01:09:35,190
{\an7}I find myself talking
about the universe, which
1263
01:09:35,190 --> 01:09:37,190
{\an7}is so weird, I never do that.
1264
01:09:37,190 --> 01:09:39,690
{\an7}I never talk about
energy and all that stuff
1265
01:09:39,690 --> 01:09:42,200
{\an7}but, I do now.
1266
01:09:42,190 --> 01:09:44,200
{\an7}Steve: I’m not naive
enough to think that
1267
01:09:44,200 --> 01:09:45,700
{\an7}this is going to happen again.
1268
01:09:45,700 --> 01:09:48,200
{\an7}It doesn’t matter what
play, movie, tv show I
1269
01:09:48,200 --> 01:09:52,200
{\an7}ever work on again, I’m not
gonna have this experience
1270
01:09:52,200 --> 01:09:55,210
{\an7}where we, the emails or
the fan letters that we
1271
01:09:55,210 --> 01:09:58,210
{\an7}get aren’t, hey I thought
you were good, hey your
1272
01:09:58,210 --> 01:10:02,210
{\an7}acting is this or that
or whatever but it’s, wow
1273
01:10:02,210 --> 01:10:04,220
{\an7}I said a prayer before
I went to be last night,
1274
01:10:04,220 --> 01:10:06,220
{\an7}I haven’t done that before.
1275
01:10:06,220 --> 01:10:10,720
{\an7}And you transcend art into
something more for people.
1276
01:10:11,220 --> 01:10:12,730
{\an7}I don’t think I’ll have
that again and that’s
1277
01:10:12,730 --> 01:10:16,230
{\an7}what I will take away
from Corpus Christi.
1278
01:10:16,230 --> 01:10:19,230
{\an7}Molly: I almost get embarrassed
or don’t feel worthy
1279
01:10:19,230 --> 01:10:22,740
{\an7}in some way that I get to
be apart of this vehicle
1280
01:10:23,240 --> 01:10:25,740
{\an7}or apart of this, it’s
overwhelming to me cause it
1281
01:10:25,740 --> 01:10:28,240
{\an7}doesn’t even feel like
it’s me speaking and it’s
1282
01:10:28,240 --> 01:10:31,740
{\an7}Terrence’s words and it’s a
play, it just overwhelms me.
1283
01:10:31,740 --> 01:10:33,750
{\an7}James: Well I think the
reflection of it too is
1284
01:10:33,750 --> 01:10:36,750
{\an7}just the fact of our own
personal journeys with
1285
01:10:36,750 --> 01:10:40,750
{\an7}faith and whatever form
that takes and how like
1286
01:10:40,750 --> 01:10:43,260
{\an7}for me, being raised
Catholic and going through my
1287
01:10:43,260 --> 01:10:45,760
{\an7}whole kind of estrangement
from it because of
1288
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:48,760
{\an7}being gay and everything
else I don’t believe in
1289
01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:52,270
{\an7}with organized religion,
this play healed a lot
1290
01:10:52,260 --> 01:10:53,270
{\an7}of those wounds for me.
1291
01:10:53,770 --> 01:10:55,770
{\an7}David: You know the talking
of faith and peoples
1292
01:10:55,770 --> 01:10:59,770
{\an7}faith, I’m sort of just
this [unintelligible] I’m
1293
01:10:59,770 --> 01:11:01,270
{\an7}as spiritually bankrupt
as I’ve always been.
1294
01:11:01,270 --> 01:11:02,780
{\an7}(multiple disagreements)
1295
01:11:02,780 --> 01:11:04,780
{\an7}Melissa: I think, pardon my
French but that’s bullshit.
1296
01:11:04,780 --> 01:11:06,280
{\an7}Mark: It is.
1297
01:11:06,280 --> 01:11:08,280
{\an7}Melissa: You’re not
bankrupt in any way and the
1298
01:11:08,280 --> 01:11:13,790
{\an7}only way that you allow that
to happen is by feeling it.
1299
01:11:14,290 --> 01:11:20,790
{\an7}And I hope that you feel
as great as you are.
1300
01:11:21,790 --> 01:11:23,800
{\an7}Mark: I was in such a shitty
place when I came into this
1301
01:11:23,800 --> 01:11:26,800
{\an7}play, I was using drugs
when I started this play.
1302
01:11:26,800 --> 01:11:34,810
{\an7}I was a mess, I was a mess
and such an unhappy person.
1303
01:11:34,810 --> 01:11:39,310
{\an7}Sheilagh: I can’t say that
after diagnosis of HIV
1304
01:11:39,810 --> 01:11:43,820
{\an7}that I would be sober
and living and seeking
1305
01:11:43,820 --> 01:11:48,320
{\an7}out love and working and
travelling and living
1306
01:11:48,320 --> 01:11:50,820
{\an7}his life to the fullest.
1307
01:11:51,320 --> 01:11:53,830
{\an7}I mean he’s taken a journey
that of peace I need to take.
1308
01:11:53,830 --> 01:11:56,830
{\an7}Mark: Nic knew me when
I was a little boy,
1309
01:11:57,330 --> 01:11:59,330
{\an7}we’ve know each other
since we were little kids
1310
01:11:59,330 --> 01:12:03,340
{\an7}and he had the faith
in me to know that I
1311
01:12:03,340 --> 01:12:05,840
{\an7}have this inside of me and
he didn’t let go of it,
1312
01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:07,840
{\an7}he didn’t throw me away.
1313
01:12:07,840 --> 01:12:11,840
{\an7}Nic: You threw yourself away,
you gave up on yourself.
1314
01:12:11,840 --> 01:12:14,850
{\an7}But I couldn’t bring you
back, that wasn’t me,
1315
01:12:14,850 --> 01:12:16,350
{\an7}you brought yourself back.
1316
01:12:16,350 --> 01:12:19,850
{\an7}Jan: I would like to say a
lot of things, but I can’t.
1317
01:12:20,850 --> 01:12:23,360
{\an7}Cause I can’t get it out,
1318
01:12:25,860 --> 01:12:29,860
{\an7}and it’s very
embarrassing because
1319
01:12:30,860 --> 01:12:33,870
{\an7}we were never allowed to cry.
1320
01:12:34,370 --> 01:12:36,370
{\an7}Sheilagh: Jan I really
identify with on a number
1321
01:12:36,370 --> 01:12:40,370
{\an7}of levels and have much
empathy for the path
1322
01:12:40,370 --> 01:12:42,370
{\an7}her life has taken.
1323
01:12:43,880 --> 01:12:45,880
{\an7}Jan: If you cry I’ll
give you something-
1324
01:12:46,380 --> 01:12:47,880
{\an7}Sheilagh: To cry about.
1325
01:12:47,880 --> 01:12:51,380
{\an7}Jan: To cry about. I
suppose this is something
1326
01:12:51,380 --> 01:12:56,890
{\an7}to cry about, you can’t
talk while you’re crying.
1327
01:12:57,890 --> 01:13:00,890
{\an7}I just love you all
so much and you can’t
1328
01:13:00,890 --> 01:13:04,400
{\an7}go away because I will miss you.
1329
01:13:08,400 --> 01:13:09,900
{\an7}Voiceover: It’s good to
get out there and meet your
1330
01:13:09,900 --> 01:13:12,910
{\an7}fellow human beings,
they’re pretty amazing group
1331
01:13:12,910 --> 01:13:15,910
{\an7}if you let them in.
1332
01:13:16,910 --> 01:13:18,410
{\an7}Voiceover: It’s not just
about this cast being
1333
01:13:18,410 --> 01:13:20,410
{\an7}a family and being
friends with each other,
1334
01:13:20,410 --> 01:13:23,920
{\an7}they now exist together
and I love that.
1335
01:13:25,420 --> 01:13:30,420
{\an7}Voiceover: But from love
that we all have, that
1336
01:13:30,420 --> 01:13:35,930
{\an7}we’re all connected to, we
are all together in this.
1337
01:13:37,430 --> 01:13:39,930
{\an7}Voiceover: I believe
everybody’s on their own path.
1338
01:13:39,930 --> 01:13:43,440
{\an7}But it’s a hell of a lot more
fun to believe in something.
1339
01:13:43,440 --> 01:13:47,440
{\an7}It’s a big beautiful world
and if you just think about
1340
01:13:47,440 --> 01:13:51,440
{\an7}yourself and this is it,
you die and that’s it,
1341
01:13:51,440 --> 01:13:54,450
{\an7}it can be so lonely.
1342
01:13:54,950 --> 01:13:56,950
{\an7}To think that we’re all
connected, we all have
1343
01:13:56,950 --> 01:14:01,450
{\an7}the same spark of light
within us is beautiful.
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