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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:04,000 This programme contains some strong language. 2 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:07,000 'A life that was the stuff of fables. The world didn't notice his birth 3 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:09,160 'in a two-roomed shack. But it noticed his death. 4 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:10,560 'Elvis Presley, country boy, 5 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:14,240 'died in a mansion on a street that was named for him.' 6 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:19,240 'Police estimated that as many as 80,000 mourners gathered 7 00:00:19,240 --> 00:00:21,720 'to pay their last respects to the dead singer.' 8 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:24,480 POLICE TALK THROUGH MEGAPHONE 9 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:28,880 'Dozens of people fainted while waiting in the long line, 10 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:30,960 'and some uncontrollably saddened.' 11 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:32,960 SHE WAILS 12 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:36,480 - How do you feel about seeing him for the last time? - I hate it. 13 00:00:36,480 --> 00:00:38,160 I can't believe it. 14 00:00:38,160 --> 00:00:40,080 It's just unreal right now. 15 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:41,600 I'm just numb. 16 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:44,160 I've been very upset since I heard the news. 17 00:00:44,160 --> 00:00:46,320 I just wish he would come back. 18 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:52,680 CROWD CHEERING 19 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:54,480 Thank you very much. 20 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:06,200 # Now, you can't judge an apple by looking at the tree 21 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:10,600 # You can't judge honey by looking at the bee 22 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:14,960 # Can't judge a daughter by looking at her mother 23 00:01:14,960 --> 00:01:20,040 # Can't judge a book by looking at the cover... # 24 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:23,440 'There are plenty of people who think the King is still alive, 25 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:26,960 'and every once in a while someone claims they've actually seen him. 26 00:01:26,960 --> 00:01:32,000 'In fact, if Elvis is alive, he wears a mask and goes by the name Orion.' 27 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:35,560 # You can't judge a book by looking at the cover... # 28 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:38,520 Orion Eckley Darnell, that's your full name? 29 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:39,840 - Right. - Where you come from? 30 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:43,320 I was born at Sun Records, in the studio. 31 00:01:43,320 --> 00:01:47,720 - Do you ever take off your mask? - Only when I go through customs. 32 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:52,480 The multimillion dollar question - are you Elvis or are you not Elvis? 33 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:55,160 I am Orion. Period. 34 00:01:56,600 --> 00:02:01,800 He just had that magic about him. Look at this guy. Who is he? 35 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:05,400 'Here is Orion on the Sun label with Ebony Eyes. 36 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:08,520 'Listen to a wonderful voice, and a superstar to be.' 37 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:13,120 # Oh, the weekend passed 38 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:16,840 # I wouldn't have time 39 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:19,520 # To get home and marry... # 40 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:23,080 They always tell you, especially down here in Nashville, 41 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:26,000 sometimes the truth is stranger than fiction. 42 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:30,960 Well, in Jimmy's case, that's exactly what it was. 43 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:39,200 # ..My beautiful ebony eyes. # 44 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:55,560 # See the tree, how big it's grown 45 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:58,320 # But, friends it hasn't been too long 46 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:00,560 # It wasn't big 47 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:06,280 # You know, I laughed at her and she got mad 48 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:09,560 # The first day that she planted it 49 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:11,560 # Was just a twig 50 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:16,720 # Then the first snow came 51 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:20,480 # And she ran out to brush the snow away 52 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:22,520 # So it wouldn't die 53 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:28,440 # Came running in all excited 54 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:31,360 # Slipped and almost hurt herself 55 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:34,800 # I laughed till I cried 56 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:37,920 # And, honey, I miss you 57 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:43,680 # And I'm being good 58 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:49,280 # And, honey, I miss you 59 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:54,600 # And I'm being good 60 00:03:56,960 --> 00:04:00,200 # And I'd love to be with you 61 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:05,400 # If only I could... # 62 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:14,240 - Your real name is Jimmy Ellis, isn't it? - That's correct. 63 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:17,880 - Where are you from? - Little town called Orrville, Alabama. 64 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:19,560 CHEERING 65 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:23,840 Orrville, Alabama. It's about 15 miles south of Selma, Alabama. 66 00:04:23,840 --> 00:04:26,440 I know you've heard of Selma, Alabama. 67 00:04:57,320 --> 00:05:01,280 Jimmy was sort of famous around our community for being the guy 68 00:05:01,280 --> 00:05:04,640 that could really sing. He could never have any peace and quiet. 69 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:08,880 Folks would always want to get him to, "Sing us a song, Jimmy." 70 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:11,160 If he was in a good mood, he'd sing one. 71 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:14,200 If one of his girls had made him mad, he wouldn't sing at all. 72 00:05:25,840 --> 00:05:29,240 # A love is but a love 73 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:32,920 # A kiss is but a kiss... # 74 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:43,960 We met when we were 18 years old. One of Elvis's songs was playing. 75 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:47,920 One of the ballplayers said, "Do you know who that is singing?" 76 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:52,640 "Well, sure. It's Elvis Presley." All the guys kind of laughed. 77 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:55,440 I said, "No, it's not. It's that guy." 78 00:05:55,440 --> 00:06:00,640 That was just a shock to hear a guy that sounded like he did. 79 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:08,200 Back then, Elvis was a big deal. You know, he was the thing. 80 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:13,120 THEY SCREAM 81 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:20,040 - What did Jimmy think of Elvis? - He loved the way he sang. 82 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:23,520 He said, "There was nothing Elvis could sing that I can't sing." 83 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:25,960 I think he knew he had a real talent. 84 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:32,360 It was just unreal that he sounded so much like Elvis. 85 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:34,840 When we graduated, at the ceremony, 86 00:06:34,840 --> 00:06:39,440 he sang some of the most beautiful songs. I knew the music was in him. 87 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:42,280 You know, it was in his soul. 88 00:06:42,280 --> 00:06:44,840 He'd either entertain you with his singing, 89 00:06:44,840 --> 00:06:47,400 or he'd entertain you with his joking around. 90 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:50,480 If you were down, you'd be around Jimmy five minutes 91 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:54,480 and you'd be laughing and cheerful, and forget all your problems. 92 00:07:08,840 --> 00:07:12,320 # You said we had to part 93 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:16,000 # I thought my heart would break 94 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:19,480 # You were my only love 95 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:23,440 # It's more than I can t-a-a-a-a-ke... # 96 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:42,040 Then Jimmy had a meeting with Phil Walden with Capricorn Records. 97 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:45,720 He actually offered Jimmy a contract. A recording contract. 98 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:00,440 This part of the country, people worked hard on land. 99 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:02,680 You know, this is cattleman country 100 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:05,240 and farming country and cotton country. 101 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:09,560 And when you talk about being a singer, they just frown on it. 102 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:33,480 No question about Jimmy. He lived, breathed and ate walking horses. 103 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:36,520 And actually trained three world champions. 104 00:08:37,680 --> 00:08:40,880 Jimmy was a star, just like he was a star of the stage. 105 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:45,200 Jimmy's heart wasn't in it. 106 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:50,920 Mr Ellis just constantly pushed Jamie more and more into the horses, 107 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:53,640 and you could see him sitting on a horse sometimes, 108 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:55,280 he just looked like, "Oh, great." 109 00:08:56,560 --> 00:09:00,440 Mr Ellis groomed him to take over their business, 110 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:03,920 so that, one day, when they weren't there, it would be his. 111 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:35,080 Daddy was so talented, 112 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:37,400 but his interest was music. 113 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:41,800 He would sing driving down the road. I mean, it was... 114 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:46,240 Wherever you went, you'd be sitting in a pond somewhere fishing 115 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:48,040 and he'd just be singing. 116 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:49,760 Just where you was. 117 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:51,800 I don't know, I can't explain it. 118 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:54,840 It's not like a lightning bolt struck him in the head 119 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:58,600 and, bam, "You can sing now." He was always that way. 120 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:08,040 # If my lonely tears could talk 121 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:13,160 # I know just what they'd say... # 122 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:18,520 He took me to a little nightclub there in Selma, 123 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:21,040 and I didn't know he could sing. 124 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:23,000 I knew nothing about it. 125 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:25,720 And the guy that ran the nightclub knew him 126 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:28,800 and encouraged him to get up and sing. 127 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:33,000 And when he opened his mouth, I nearly hit the floor! 128 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:35,600 # Please come kiss the hurt away 129 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:39,360 # Oh-oh, make it well 130 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:42,440 # And take me away 131 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:45,240 # From this earth 132 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:49,680 # Wave a spell 133 00:10:49,680 --> 00:10:51,800 # In my lonely, lonely... # 134 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:54,760 Growing up, Elvis was my idol. 135 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:57,360 I don't guess there's ever been anyone else 136 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:00,200 that could even touch the way I felt about Elvis. 137 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:05,480 But when Jimmy started singing, I was astonished. 138 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:09,400 And I think that was it right then. I said, "This is meant to be." 139 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:13,360 This has to be the man I'm meant to be with the rest of my life. 140 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:20,360 # And kiss the hurt away! # 141 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:35,880 His dad always thought the music business was a bunch of foolishness. 142 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:38,400 And I'd heard him say many times, 143 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:42,600 "I do not know why Jimmy Ellis wants to run off 144 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:47,440 "around the world singing when he has the finest horse farm 145 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:49,800 "and the most talents of anyone in the country." 146 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:52,360 And that was so. When you raise three world champions, 147 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:55,160 you're obviously pretty sharp at what you do. 148 00:11:56,960 --> 00:12:01,240 - JIMMY: - It just got to the point where I had to either go do it full time, 149 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:03,000 cos that's where my heart was... 150 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:06,680 ..or either I had to just forget about it. 151 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:09,960 Well, I couldn't forget about it. 152 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:11,360 The saddest thing to me - 153 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:13,520 it didn't seem to bother him, though - 154 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:15,960 he laid out all of his saddles and bridles 155 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:18,960 and everything that belonged to his horses on the ground, 156 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:21,200 and it was all for sale in his barn. 157 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:23,640 And to walk through there and see 158 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:28,720 what I felt like was his entire life laying before me, it was... 159 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:30,480 it was heartbreaking to me, 160 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:34,200 but he was so excited to sell everything he had 161 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:38,600 and go to Los Angeles and try his best to make a career. 162 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:56,040 # Tell him his time is over Say goodbye 163 00:12:57,280 --> 00:13:02,800 # And if he asks the reason Then you can tell him why... # 164 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:08,280 His aim was to put together a show that he could take on the road. 165 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:11,800 I thought, once Hollywood saw him, that would be it. 166 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:14,360 The drawback was they had one Elvis. 167 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:16,680 How were they going to make him different? 168 00:13:16,680 --> 00:13:19,400 They worked with him to try to make it about him. 169 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:22,080 The first thing for him to do was to learn to dance, 170 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:24,200 and have a stage presence. 171 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:27,680 But it was so hard because, one day, at the end of practice, 172 00:13:27,680 --> 00:13:30,400 when they opened the doors, there was a line. 173 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:33,200 One of the girls had called a girlfriend and told her, 174 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:34,920 "You won't believe who's here. 175 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:37,600 "Elvis is in the building, he's practising." 176 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:40,480 And the girls had lined up outside the door 177 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:42,360 to wait for him to come out. 178 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:44,640 # Never been loved before 179 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:46,760 # I can love you better 180 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:49,040 # Than you've ever been loved before... # 181 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:51,840 They had him go around and meet with different stars, 182 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:54,680 and put it in the newspaper to build up interest. 183 00:13:54,680 --> 00:13:57,280 They would just have him go to different parties 184 00:13:57,280 --> 00:13:59,040 to introduce him to Hollywood. 185 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:03,400 # Than you've ever been loved before 186 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:06,200 # La-la-la-la 187 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:09,360 # Oh-oh-oh-oh 188 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:12,760 # I can love you better... # 189 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:16,800 The people in Hollywood, they're there for the money. 190 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:21,600 They're there for the bottom line. They knew exactly how much he had. 191 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:24,800 They were going to give him something for his money. 192 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:29,440 But they, in the end, they were going to get all the money he had. 193 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:33,000 And it didn't take them but about a year to do that. 194 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:34,960 He had to go back home. 195 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:39,680 He had a child. Little Jim, and his mum and dad, and the farm. 196 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:44,600 It felt like he had really maybe missed the mark 197 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:46,520 because he didn't start at 18. 198 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:50,160 He knew that it was a fight for a 30-something 199 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:53,600 to actually make his mark and to have a big career. 200 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:58,440 It was a very, very defeating time in his life. 201 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:00,600 A very depressing time in his life. 202 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:02,800 All of us have had opportunities in life 203 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:05,080 where we're this close to success, 204 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:07,360 or something big happening in our lives, you know? 205 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:12,040 For that to fall apart was, obviously, a very depressive time. 206 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:17,680 We ended up engaged, and trying to have a normal life. 207 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:20,680 But he couldn't let it go. He had too much talent. 208 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:23,600 It was a dream that he could not let go. 209 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:29,320 That's when we went and stayed with friends of his in Georgia. 210 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:34,320 He and his girlfriend stayed with us for three months. 211 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:37,520 And I got an appointment to see Bobby Smith. 212 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:40,320 Bobby had a little recording studio 213 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:44,400 and he had recorded Otis Redding at one time. 214 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:47,320 A person called me. He brought a tape down - 215 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:49,080 would I listen to this thing? 216 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:53,520 I listened to it and I said, "I've got an idea." 217 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:56,680 I was in the studio with my band, Avalanche, 218 00:15:56,680 --> 00:15:59,600 and Bobby Smith was our producer. And he said to me, 219 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:03,520 "You need to come in here and listen to this guy." 220 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:05,520 So we walked into Bobby's office, 221 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:08,960 and I seen this tall drink of water, and he had that look, 222 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:11,320 even then when I first walked in there, I said, 223 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:13,160 "This guy is somebody. He has to be." 224 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:15,840 You just don't look like that, you know, and not be somebody. 225 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:18,040 So, Bobby, he's got a big smile on his face. 226 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:20,600 He said, "Listen to this. Who do you think that is?" 227 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:23,400 And he played this tape. I said, "That sounds like Elvis. 228 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:26,160 "You're going to tell me that's this guy right there." 229 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:28,720 Well, Jimmy started to sing right along with the tape. 230 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:30,680 And I just shook my head and said, 231 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:33,440 "I just cannot believe what I just heard!" 232 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:35,360 What a combination this would be. 233 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:37,320 Here we are, a disco band, 234 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:42,680 and here comes this pop, country, rockabilly, Elvis sound-alike. 235 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:44,240 Bobby said, "What do you think?" 236 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:47,200 And I said, "It would be kind of interesting, wouldn't it? 237 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:50,920 "Because people wouldn't know what to think. Let's try it!" 238 00:16:56,720 --> 00:17:01,640 # Well, I tossed and turned all night since you've been gone 239 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:08,000 # I cried a pool of tears wanting you to come back home... # 240 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:14,560 Well, before you know it, we had every screaming woman in the town 241 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:18,720 coming to see this big, tall drink of water that sounds like Elvis. 242 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:21,880 And those girls screamed and hollered, 243 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:24,000 and I'm seeing them myself. 244 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:26,680 This guy is unreal on stage. 245 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:29,440 So I said, "I'll put two records out on you, 246 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:31,400 "let's just see what'll happen." 247 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:34,640 # Oh, the games you've been playing 248 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:37,440 # Oh, the games you've been playing... # 249 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:47,240 I was pretty sure that he was "playing around", I'll call it. 250 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:49,600 Nothing serious with anybody else. 251 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:51,160 As he put it to me, 252 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:54,880 "You're in the driver's seat, what more do you want? 253 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:56,960 "You're at the head of the line." 254 00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:59,880 Now, to him, that was the best place to be. 255 00:17:59,880 --> 00:18:01,920 To me, I didn't want a line. 256 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:05,360 And I said, "If you think that I'm going to stay at home 257 00:18:05,360 --> 00:18:08,040 "and you're going to travel out on the road, 258 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:10,600 "and you're not going to let me go with you, 259 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:12,360 "that's not going to happen." 260 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:15,880 And I took the ring off and handed it back to him. 261 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:17,640 And he started laughing, and he said, 262 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:20,960 "I wonder how many times this is going to go back and forth." 263 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:23,920 And I thought, "Once." 264 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:28,600 And I got a ticket to Los Angeles, and I moved the next day. 265 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:30,680 And I never went back. 266 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:38,160 So, I put the first record out on him. 267 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:40,560 We had disc jockeys that, "I'm not going to play you, 268 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:42,320 "you sound too much like Elvis." 269 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:47,440 In the United States, if you sound like Elvis, it's the kiss of death. 270 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:50,880 Because Elvis was more than just a voice. 271 00:18:52,120 --> 00:18:54,640 He gave all of the people of my generation 272 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:56,920 a freedom that we hadn't had before. 273 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:00,520 It was a blessing and a curse. 274 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:04,120 Everybody always said he's an Elvis impersonator, 275 00:19:04,120 --> 00:19:05,960 and that was the furthest thing. 276 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:09,240 He wanted to get so far away from that, it was crazy. 277 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:13,000 But...God gave him that voice. 278 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:39,600 # Well, I'm not trying to be just like Elvis 279 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:46,400 # I'm doing my best to make it on my own... # 280 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:49,400 Jimmy tried all kinds of things. 281 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:53,880 Great recordings, but didn't really do a lot. 282 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:59,720 Bobby Smith, who was producing him, he brought him to Nashville. 283 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:01,520 I always used to tell people, 284 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:04,040 "If you want to be a model, you go to New York. 285 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:06,120 "If you want to make cars, go to Detroit. 286 00:20:06,120 --> 00:20:08,560 "If you want to be a star, go to Hollywood. 287 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:11,160 "If you want to make records, go to Nashville." 288 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:37,040 I would say probably 1,000 a week come through Nashville 289 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:39,040 looking for recording contracts. 290 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:41,240 What percentage of them make it? 291 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:44,040 Er, probably 1/100 of 1 percent. 292 00:20:46,120 --> 00:20:48,960 Of course, the original Sun Studios are in Memphis. 293 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:51,480 We are standing in the birthplace of rock and roll. 294 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:55,440 Sun Studio, Memphis Tennessee. It's where it all began. 295 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:59,040 Elvis Presley stood on that X and changed history. 296 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:05,720 Shelby bought Sun Records, the label, from Sam Phillips 297 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:07,880 and moved Sun Records to Nashville. 298 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:13,040 Jimmy Ellis says, "You know Shelby Singleton, don't you?" 299 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:19,480 He came to see me and I didn't have any idea of how to promote him 300 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:21,760 because of the way his voice sounded. 301 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:24,040 You know, if there wasn't an Elvis at that time, 302 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:26,760 he could have probably been a star. 303 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:30,240 Jimmy wanted to be a superstar. And he should have been. 304 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:36,480 There was no way that he could have failed if Elvis had never lived. 305 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:44,440 'Tonight, August 16, reported from the NBC News Centre in New York.' 306 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:48,280 Good evening. 307 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:51,560 Elvis Presley died today. He was 42. 308 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:53,440 Apparently, it was a heart attack. 309 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:56,960 When word of Presley's death came, there was a rush on his records. 310 00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:59,760 You can't even buy one here now. They're all sold out. 311 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:02,760 We had people lined up outside the store this morning 312 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:05,520 waiting to come in to buy Elvis records. 313 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:09,200 RCA Records is reportedly working day and night to turn out 314 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:11,920 as many new albums as it needs to meet the demand. 315 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:14,520 Charles Osgood, CBS News, New York. 316 00:22:18,120 --> 00:22:19,960 Shelby had an idea. 317 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:24,640 He owned the masters on Jerry Lee Lewis, Charlie Rich, Carl Perkins, 318 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:27,960 all the old entertainers at Sun Records. 319 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:31,760 I decided I could bring him in and over-dub him on the tracks 320 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:35,600 and, of course, everybody thought that I'd found an Elvis master 321 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:38,360 in the catalogue after I'd bought Sun. 322 00:22:53,120 --> 00:22:56,200 - How was the label put out on that record? - Did not have my name on it. 323 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:59,240 Right, it didn't have your name on it? It caused a bit of a stir. 324 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:01,280 Yeah, it was a controversial record. 325 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:04,200 Bobby was a promotional man and he knew that outrageous schemes 326 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:05,960 could sometimes draw a lot of attention. 327 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:09,680 Is this Elvis, or is it not? Sort of what he was trying to sell. 328 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:12,120 And then he started pairing him with other Sun classics - 329 00:23:12,120 --> 00:23:15,120 Carl Perkins and Charlie Rich and Johnny Cash, 330 00:23:15,120 --> 00:23:16,600 as if they were old recordings. 331 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:20,120 The timing was right because all this happened 332 00:23:20,120 --> 00:23:24,240 within six months after Elvis had died. 333 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:27,600 Elvis was getting the credit. That was the only problem, you know? 334 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:29,720 If someone else is getting the credit, 335 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:31,600 then you don't make the money. 336 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:35,080 So...I would rather be known for my own ability. 337 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:39,000 And then we come along with this great idea. 338 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:43,640 And it gives him something to do. Something that's different. 339 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,360 And now, ladies and gentlemen, if you will, please, 340 00:23:48,360 --> 00:23:51,200 big round of applause. Mr Jimmy Ellis! 341 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:53,000 CHEERING AND APPLAUSE 342 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:57,240 How's everybody tonight at Nashville South? 343 00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:59,200 CHEERING 344 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:01,320 Everybody holler one time real loud. 345 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:03,360 - CHEERING - Play it. 346 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:08,440 MUSIC: There You Go by Jimmy Ellis 347 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:14,960 # There you go... # 348 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,840 We were in a little club called Nashville South. 349 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,720 And I really didn't know who was performing that night. 350 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:25,160 But when music is being played, the music comes right to me. 351 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:28,200 And I said, "My goodness, who is that?" 352 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,680 He was so magnetic. 353 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:32,960 The audience was just in his hand. 354 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,800 I met him when he came off the stage and I said, 355 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:39,280 "You know, I might have something that's going to change your life." 356 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:44,280 I began Orion in 1977. 357 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:47,200 The concept of Orion came from what it would be like 358 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:50,400 to be a prisoner of your own fame, such as Elvis Presley. 359 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,960 - So, did you start writing Orion before Elvis died? - Oh, yes. 360 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:58,280 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I got real serious about it the day he died. 361 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:02,520 Because I felt I needed to hurry and finish this. 362 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:05,960 Because people needed to understand what this poor man went through. 363 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:07,880 That's what this book is. 364 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:11,960 It's exploring the tragedy of a superstar. 365 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:15,040 And how he had to escape that tragedy 366 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,760 just to be able to walk down the street. 367 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:21,440 So, Orion, in order to escape, he fakes his own death. 368 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:24,560 Gail is a great writer. 369 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:26,800 And I was writing the songs to go with the book. 370 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:30,760 We were intending to have a movie, and we had Hollywood interest. 371 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:34,840 And so, when I met him, I knew there was more to this. 372 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,800 I mean, it was just incredible that he sang like this. 373 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:39,760 And that he looked like he did. 374 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:42,200 I told Gail, "I want you to go with me. 375 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:45,040 "I'm going to show you something you won't believe." 376 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:47,120 Jimmy had a beautiful voice. 377 00:25:47,120 --> 00:25:50,320 We talked about him doing the songs for the movie, 378 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:51,880 should there be a movie. 379 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:13,840 It just seemed meant to be... 380 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,960 that I would be in that club on that night. 381 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,280 Because he did one-nighters at that time. 382 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:22,000 And he was in his early 30s. 383 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,400 He had been trying to make it for years. 384 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,400 And he needed a vehicle. 385 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,400 He felt like it was the answer to his prayers. 386 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:33,240 And we actually thought that Jimmy would kind of walk out of that book. 387 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:50,240 The creation of Orion off of the book was really my idea. 388 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:53,440 It was part accident and part madman genius. 389 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,760 I thought that I could create this mystique 390 00:26:56,760 --> 00:27:00,440 of everybody thinking that he really was Elvis, 391 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:04,240 and that he had faked his own death, like the book. 392 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:07,240 My character hoaxed his death. 393 00:27:08,360 --> 00:27:11,720 Then, all the rumours began. I didn't start them. 394 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:15,000 Um, about, "Is Elvis dead?" 395 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:18,400 Timing is everything. 396 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:23,760 People were very, very emotional and receptive to anything Elvis. 397 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:27,800 Shelby Singleton came along at the right time and the right place 398 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,560 with nothing more than a gimmick. 399 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:32,120 A gimmick. 400 00:27:32,120 --> 00:27:33,640 Despicable gimmick. 401 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:39,240 Shelby says, "Bobby I've got an idea. 402 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:42,320 "It's going to be up to you to talk him into it. 403 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,040 "It's going to be something he's not going to want to do, 404 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,120 "cos he was a nice-looking person." 405 00:27:47,120 --> 00:27:49,800 He says, "Wear a mask." 406 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:51,360 I said, "Wear a mask?" 407 00:27:51,360 --> 00:27:54,200 And I said, "He's not going to like that, 408 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,040 "I can tell you that right now." 409 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:57,880 He was very reluctant. 410 00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,440 As a matter of fact, he didn't even like the idea. 411 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,640 But Shelby pretty much persuaded him 412 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,880 that either you put on the mask and you do this, 413 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:08,280 or you go back to Alabama 414 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:11,080 and see if you can get another deal somewhere else. 415 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:15,400 He didn't want to do it, but we finally talked him into doing it. 416 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,040 Otherwise, he was just Jimmy Ellis, you know?. 417 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:21,840 And Jimmy Ellis didn't really mean nothing. 418 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,080 In order to be a successful entertainer, 419 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,760 you have to want it more than you want to breathe. 420 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:30,920 You have to want it more than air. 421 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:34,040 And Jimmy desperately, desperately wanted it. 422 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,480 We had a guy who sounded like Elvis. 423 00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:59,920 Maybe if he's photographed a certain way 424 00:28:59,920 --> 00:29:01,880 he could sort of look like Elvis. 425 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:05,760 Left the fans kind of hoping it was Elvis behind that mask. 426 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,160 You have this real guy. They put a mask on him. 427 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,640 And they brought this fictional character alive. 428 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,200 That's all he was - fiction. 429 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,160 Some people give birth to babies. 430 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,880 I gave birth to a 6'4" man with a mask! 431 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,320 It was a hard delivery! 432 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,120 SHE LAUGHS 433 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:27,880 I didn't even know he was going to go on stage, quite frankly. 434 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,240 I thought they were just up there, going to cut the song 435 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:32,240 so I could take him to the producer. 436 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,360 I don't know how this got to this. 437 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,760 CHEERING 438 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,440 He's a cross between Elvis and the Lone Ranger. 439 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:44,840 He's called Orion, but his true identity is a well-kept secret. 440 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,760 His character was born in the pages of the book Orion. 441 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:51,200 The book's here. 442 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,080 I'm here. Which I'm glad of. 443 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,160 I wouldn't know of any other place 444 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,040 I'd rather be right now than to be here. 445 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,480 I think that's the most important thing. 446 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:03,400 And that we make a few people happy. 447 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:07,760 # Is my love going a-walking? 448 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:09,640 # It's a mighty dreary life 449 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:11,320 # Loneliness can wound a man 450 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:13,320 # Like the cutting of a knife 451 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:15,000 # How long must I suffer? 452 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,080 # Tell me, when will I be free? 453 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:20,320 # Anybody out there wanna be close to me? 454 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:22,680 # Well, a man can die of hunger 455 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:24,560 # He can die of thirst, I know 456 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:26,000 # Loneliness can kill me 457 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:27,640 # Why, this ain't got far to go 458 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:29,840 # How long must I suffer? 459 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:31,640 # Tell me, when will I be free? 460 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,880 # Anybody out there wanna make love to me? 461 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:39,040 # Anybody out there wanna come and take my blues away? 462 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:42,600 # Hold me close and say the words I want to hear you say 463 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,920 # I'm in pain and misery as lonely as can be 464 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:50,080 # Anybody out there wanna make love to me? Oh, yeah! 465 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:53,000 # Anybody out there wanna make love to me? # 466 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:54,160 Whoo! 467 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,920 How about it, ladies and gentlemen? Put your hands together 468 00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:58,720 for the fantastic Orion, how about it? 469 00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:02,240 That was when it all started right there, that's 1979. 470 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:07,360 It was a phenomenon. I mean, I'd never seen anything like it. 471 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:09,920 We had sell-out crowds. 472 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:14,440 I mean, you get a place that seats 1,500 to 2,500 people 473 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:16,080 and you're selling those out, 474 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,080 that's a lot of people coming out to see you. 475 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:23,040 You want to hear one more, let him hear you, Orion! 476 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,000 One more song, Orion! 477 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:29,040 Everyone loves a fairytale 478 00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:32,640 and everyone would like to think you can come back from the dead, 479 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,080 so, let's face it, that's what they were after. 480 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:39,360 Sun Records would say, "If you could get a tenth of the Elvis fans, 481 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:42,520 "you'd have millions of fans." They were trying to live through Jimmy 482 00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,280 what they would have liked to have lived through through Elvis. 483 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,800 They'd have loved to meet Elvis when he got on his bus, 484 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:49,440 but they could do that with Jimmy. 485 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:53,280 So you drew that same type fan and many of the same fans. 486 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:55,000 Elvis that you couldn't talk to, 487 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,400 all of a sudden here's this sort of stand-in Elvis, 488 00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,560 taking pictures with you with his arms around you. 489 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:01,640 Elvis hadn't been able to do that for a long time 490 00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,280 and all of a sudden the fans wanted that sort of magical touch 491 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:05,400 would go up and touch him. 492 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,320 He'd hang out afterwards and sign autographs and the fans loved him. 493 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,800 It was an experience, I'm telling you 494 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:14,720 and I have actually seen girls standing there crying, just shaking. 495 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:18,240 He really affected people, he really did. 496 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:22,600 The lady sitting beside us said, "Do you know that's Elvis?" 497 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:25,080 She said, "You know why he wears the mask? 498 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,400 "To cover up all the scars that he's got. 499 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,680 "He had plastic surgery to change his looks." 500 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:34,640 I remember some girl coming up to the stage 501 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:38,880 with a bouquet of flowers, and comes up reverently 502 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:42,600 and bows and genuflects and puts it at his feet 503 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:46,840 and I thought, "This is strange. This is just kind of weird." 504 00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,160 She obviously thought he was Elvis. 505 00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,640 To me, it always has been very obvious if you looked at the man, 506 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:56,520 even with the mask on, you could tell this was not Elvis Presley. 507 00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,360 His eyes were brown, his nose was different. 508 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:03,800 He's built different, he was much taller, he was much younger, 509 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,680 but there were so many people back in the early '80s 510 00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,280 who so desperately wanted Elvis to still be alive, 511 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,240 and they took it hook, line and sinker. 512 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,560 It's almost like the fans become part of the fantasy. 513 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:20,320 They're performing - the singer's performing and they're performing. 514 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,520 They're acting the way they think they're conditioned to act. 515 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:27,880 It's all just a myth. 516 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:34,560 We preyed on, not only the fans, but on the press itself. 517 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:38,200 You know, you couldn't buy the publicity that we did. 518 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,000 The more lies we told, the more people believed them. 519 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,920 One of the things playing up the mystery that this could be 520 00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:51,440 the dead Elvis who was still alive is that his first album had 521 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:52,680 this shiny coffin, 522 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,280 much like the one that Elvis was buried in, on the cover, 523 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:58,280 so it was as if he's risen from the dead or he's been born again 524 00:33:58,280 --> 00:33:59,600 or the coffin is empty - 525 00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:01,880 you could look at it in a lot of different ways. 526 00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:07,000 They wanted to put the album on the racks in Walmart and Kmart 527 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,360 but they got objections from the buyers 528 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,400 because of the casket that was on there, 529 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,120 so I had to change the cover on it. 530 00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:16,600 This one originally... 531 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:18,520 turned into that one. 532 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:26,920 I was, I guess, shocked when the album came out. 533 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,240 Everything from my book was on the back of the album. 534 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,280 This is the prologue of my book 535 00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:38,320 and he even had Orion Eckley Darnell as a songwriter. 536 00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,200 That's a character in my book. 537 00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,560 It had him under the guidance of Mac Weiman, 538 00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:44,000 a character in my book. 539 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:48,120 Write to Orion, care of Dixie-Land, that's my book. 540 00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:50,400 Everything was my book. 541 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:53,840 Instead of Graceland, like, down in Memphis, you know, 542 00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:58,000 where Elvis lived, in the book Orion, it was called Dixie-Land 543 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,480 and then it said Ribbonsville, Tennessee. 544 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,440 I always knew there was no such place as Ribbonsville, Tennessee. 545 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,880 - Where do you call home? - Ribbonsville, Tennessee. 546 00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:08,520 Well, home is Nashville. 547 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:10,920 - I live in Nashville, but I was born in... - Ribbonsville? 548 00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:14,600 ..a little town called Ribbonsville, Tennessee. It's hard to find. 549 00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:16,880 How many people? What's the population? 550 00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:20,120 - Well, it was three and now it's two. - Where is it? 551 00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:24,040 - It's, er... - Really, I've never heard of it. 552 00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:29,040 You're getting into the mysterious part of my life, Mother. 553 00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:32,320 I mean, he'd just played, like, two weeks before as Jimmy Ellis 554 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,720 and all of a sudden he's in the mask, he's Orion, 555 00:35:34,720 --> 00:35:36,840 and you're not supposed to know who he is. 556 00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:40,120 It's like we're charging everybody 25 if they call him Jimmy, 557 00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:43,280 cos you couldn't call him Jimmy, or the secret would get out. 558 00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,080 Taking her character 559 00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:48,640 and creating the character in reality is what we did. 560 00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:50,920 I didn't know they were going to do this 561 00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,600 and they never licensed any right to do this. 562 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:55,120 How much were you paid for this? 563 00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:56,640 Nothing. 564 00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,720 Zilch, zero. Nothing. 565 00:35:59,720 --> 00:36:01,280 Nothing! 566 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:05,840 So Shelby said, er, "So sue me." 567 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:12,440 Well, I will say that we were naive a lot. 568 00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:16,640 We didn't do a lot of things we should have done in contracts. 569 00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:19,400 Back in the early '80s, 570 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:23,400 Shelby Singleton was the most sued man in Tennessee 571 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:25,720 for failing to pay 572 00:36:25,720 --> 00:36:28,200 and for doing things... 573 00:36:29,720 --> 00:36:32,280 ..maybe not quite the way they should have been done. 574 00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:34,640 Why didn't I sue? 575 00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:38,240 We thought about it, we thought about even getting an injunction. 576 00:36:38,240 --> 00:36:41,200 I didn't want to hurt Jimmy, this was just starting up for him. 577 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:44,280 I didn't want to hurt Carol Halupke, her songs were getting cut, 578 00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:47,560 so that's basically what happened - they just ran with it 579 00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:49,960 and I kind of was the victim. 580 00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:56,040 # Yeah, the one I love forever is untrue 581 00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:58,400 # And if I could 582 00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,120 # You know that I would fly away with you... # 583 00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:04,280 Orion is being billed as the superstar of the '80s 584 00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,000 by Shelby Singleton's Sun Record group, here in Nashville. 585 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:10,920 And the response to his singing is almost unbelievable. 586 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:14,240 A few weeks ago, he put on a show at Nashville's Tennessee Theatre 587 00:37:14,240 --> 00:37:17,720 and was scheduled to go on stage at ten o'clock in the evening. 588 00:37:17,720 --> 00:37:21,240 At four that afternoon, fans started lining up for seats. 589 00:37:21,240 --> 00:37:23,680 What do I like about him? Everything. 590 00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:25,760 This is our 15th time to see him. 591 00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:28,920 - How many times have you seen him? - Oh, too many times to count. 592 00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:33,440 I thought he was Elvis, I went all the way to Alabama to see who he was, 593 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:35,320 followed him ever since. 594 00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:37,320 One of the things I admire about you 595 00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:39,840 is you've managed to keep your head about it all. 596 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:43,840 You're getting to be, as they say in the business, a mighty big star. 597 00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:45,320 How do you handle it? 598 00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:47,960 It's not hard for me to handle. 599 00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:51,040 I enjoy the fans, I enjoy the publicity, 600 00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:53,240 I enjoy the business, I enjoy my work, 601 00:37:53,240 --> 00:37:56,080 so, you know, it's really not hard for me to handle. 602 00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:58,920 He was developing such a fanfare. 603 00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:01,920 A promoter could take him at any club or any venue, 604 00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,640 almost guarantee that they'd sell the place out. 605 00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:08,920 Our fan club now, in one year's time, is up to 20,000 members. 606 00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:10,440 It's almost to the point now 607 00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:12,840 where your fan club is nearing a cult following. 608 00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:17,840 Well, we used to have about 500 fans that would follow him 609 00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:19,560 every place that he went. 610 00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:24,160 In fact, we had two ladies that lived in their car out in our parking lot 611 00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:27,000 and just waited until he would leave town, 612 00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,320 so they could follow him wherever he was going. 613 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,880 When Jimmy would go out on tour, his fans followed right along 614 00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:37,960 behind the bus and they'd travel hundreds, thousands of miles. 615 00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,360 It was just so stupid, 616 00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:41,840 but you're following the damn bus, 617 00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:43,600 so you'd look through the back of the bus, 618 00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:47,400 see if they'll stop at the red light and hop out, it's crazy. 619 00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,640 How do you like the life on the road? 620 00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:55,080 I think I'm just geared for entertainment life. 621 00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:56,640 I like to be on the road. 622 00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,680 If I'm on the road nine days a week, I like it. 623 00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:01,480 My agent can tell you that. 624 00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:03,240 But if I'm home for three days, 625 00:39:03,240 --> 00:39:06,000 I'm ready to get back on the road the fourth day. 626 00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:13,400 I remember Daddy flying in from Las Vegas, 627 00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,200 just to watch me play ball, 628 00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:18,000 and get home and he'd be gone, had to fly back out. 629 00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:21,480 So he always set aside time for me, 630 00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:25,200 a couple of weeks that there was nobody but me and him. 631 00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:26,960 You know, we fished and so on. 632 00:39:29,240 --> 00:39:32,320 The music business has never been my thing, you know, 633 00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:34,600 born and raised on a farm 634 00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:38,160 and, of course, he was too, raised on a farm, 635 00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:41,760 but, you know, he chased his dream. 636 00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,680 When Jimmy would come into... 637 00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:50,080 round Orrville after he became Orion, 638 00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:51,400 people were critical. 639 00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:56,320 They felt like Jimmy's trying to reach out for the stars 640 00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:59,600 or something, but they would snub him. 641 00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:06,480 I think it bothered Jimmy worse that we all thought it was silly 642 00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:09,560 and many of his close friends would tell him it was silly. 643 00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:12,840 His hometown folks never really accepted him 644 00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:18,880 as being any possibility but Jimmy Ellis who wanted to be like Elvis. 645 00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:21,840 Well, I didn't think I was anything 646 00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:24,120 except a guy trying to make a living, you know. 647 00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:27,560 I was not for making people believe that I was somebody else. 648 00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:29,440 I was not for that. 649 00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:32,800 Orion insists that he wants to be known for his own singing 650 00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:36,240 and not because he sounds like Elvis. But that has not been easy. 651 00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:41,040 Quite honestly, when Shelby put the mask on him, 652 00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:45,040 as far as Nashville went, he lost all credibility whatsoever. 653 00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:47,560 Yeah, he's really good, he's got a lovely voice, 654 00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:49,720 but he's got a mask on. 655 00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:54,320 Country and western singer Orion is our guest today, 656 00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:56,640 and, Orion, before you sing, 657 00:40:56,640 --> 00:41:00,120 I want you to tell the audience a little bit about the mask. 658 00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:01,920 I'm not hiding anything. 659 00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:05,960 It's a trademark, it's an idea that the promotional people 660 00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:08,640 in Nashville, Tennessee, came up with. 661 00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:12,240 Shelby Singleton, who is the president of Sun Records, 662 00:41:12,240 --> 00:41:14,680 is probably known in the music business 663 00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:18,160 as one of the most flamboyant promoters in the business. 664 00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:22,720 He'll do most anything to promote a product and... 665 00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:27,560 ..he'll try to do it differently than anyone else does it 666 00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:29,880 and so he wanted to make the thing a little different, 667 00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:32,000 and I'll grant you it's a little different, 668 00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,960 when you walk into a crowd of people and you're wearing this mask. 669 00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:40,520 Under his contract with Sun, 670 00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:43,760 he wasn't allowed to take his mask off when he was in the public eye. 671 00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,520 Every time we'd come out of a hotel, we'd look in the bushes 672 00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:49,640 and there would be a camera crew set up trying to catch Jimmy 673 00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:52,680 without the mask, so when I'd come back in the room and say, 674 00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:54,800 "Jimmy, the National Enquirer's in the bushes," 675 00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,400 I mean, he had come out and he had to wear the mask 676 00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:00,080 and he hated the mask the entire time he wore it, you know. 677 00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:14,080 Well, Shelby had had a contract with Walmart that if ever an album 678 00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:18,320 came out on Orion, we'd have to go into Walmart at a certain time 679 00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:20,840 and autograph records, you know. 680 00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:24,440 You can imagine people in the shop buying groceries 681 00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:26,680 and looked around and seeing a masked man - 682 00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:30,280 oh, he hated that more than anything and I hated it too. 683 00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:41,960 I think even from the start, Jimmy Ellis wasn't completely sure 684 00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:44,320 this was a great idea, but it worked. 685 00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:46,440 It worked so well and it was so successful 686 00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:49,480 and this is after years of not being successful, all of a sudden he has, 687 00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:50,920 you know, records are selling, 688 00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:52,920 he has people showing up wanting to hear him 689 00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,600 and not just wanting to hear him but going crazy, you know, 690 00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:58,520 and rushing the stage and grabbing in on him. 691 00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:01,840 It had to be heady but, at the same time, you know, 692 00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,840 he knew he was selling something that wasn't quite him. 693 00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:26,400 As much as he hated being under the mask, 694 00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:31,160 he did have a weakness...for women. 695 00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:36,840 He was a complicated person, he wasn't Mr Happy-Go-Lucky. 696 00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:40,640 I mean, he had some issues about women. 697 00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:45,320 He had a lot of women in his life, a lot. 698 00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:50,880 Elaine Thompson was in the audience and ended up being his girlfriend 699 00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:52,600 and he married her. 700 00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:56,520 She was more like a groupie that was following him around, 701 00:43:56,520 --> 00:44:00,400 but he had a lot of other girls following him around the same time 702 00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:04,800 and he seemed to stick with her more than the rest of them, 703 00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,400 although there were many women. 704 00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:12,520 Jimmy was married to Elaine twice in the early '80s. 705 00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:14,360 They divorced twice. 706 00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:17,800 They had a very rocky on-again, off-again relationship, 707 00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:21,560 probably somewhat like Elizabeth Taylor and Richard Burton, 708 00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:23,280 quite stormy. 709 00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:26,400 Elaine was a spitfire, she never trusted him 710 00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:30,720 and I guess she shouldn't have, but he never trusted her either. 711 00:44:30,720 --> 00:44:32,800 They were both, like, tit-for-tat. 712 00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,120 What one did, the other one did just as much. 713 00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:38,440 Jimmy was never, ever true to one woman. 714 00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:41,840 It was just like he was a chauvinist pig at that point in time 715 00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:43,480 cos he could have it all. 716 00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:46,800 It would never be a secret where he was staying at, 717 00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:48,760 every room would be booked by fans. 718 00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:51,400 You know, it was just a big party the whole time he was there. 719 00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:54,440 He would call from room to room to room. 720 00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:57,760 He didn't like to sleep alone, he didn't want to be alone 721 00:44:57,760 --> 00:44:59,640 when he went to sleep. 722 00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:02,720 I don't know why, but he didn't, and you'd think, 723 00:45:02,720 --> 00:45:06,000 "No, I'm not coming to your room, I saw what just left your room." 724 00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,440 I never did some of the things the others did. 725 00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:10,040 I was asked to do some, 726 00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:11,840 but I never did that 727 00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:14,680 cos I know he did have a briefcase full of pictures - 728 00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:17,400 he would be happy to show you that - and I'd be like, 729 00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:20,280 "I don't want to see that, I work at those all day long. 730 00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:23,320 "I see those where I work, I don't need to see that here." 731 00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:27,400 - But he was into... - What do you mean? 732 00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:31,400 I worked for a gynaecologist and he's got pictures of every... 733 00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:35,120 Lucy is what I call mine. ..every Lucy in town. 734 00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:37,680 He'd be like... He did! 735 00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:41,200 Oh, he was silly. I don't know why. 736 00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:45,560 It's like a trophy collector, he had hundreds of Polaroids 737 00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:49,360 and how did he know whose was whose is what I want to know. 738 00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:53,240 He said, "Those women, 739 00:45:53,240 --> 00:45:56,400 "they don't mean any more to me than smoking a cigarette." 740 00:45:57,560 --> 00:45:58,720 And they didn't. 741 00:45:58,720 --> 00:46:04,760 I almost felt he was sort of afraid to trust people wholeheartedly. 742 00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:06,440 Afraid of being hurt. 743 00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:10,560 To me, he acted like somebody that had been hurt badly. 744 00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:12,480 By who, I don't know. 745 00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:40,040 Daddy had a rough childhood from birth to five years old, 746 00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:45,400 until my grandparents, his adopted parents, found him 747 00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:50,560 and, I mean, there are some stories that he told me that... 748 00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:52,080 that would make you... 749 00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:56,200 I don't really want to talk about it, but when he found them, 750 00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:58,240 it was just a whole different world. 751 00:46:58,240 --> 00:47:00,640 And it took him a while to get used to that 752 00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:02,720 because he didn't know who to trust. 753 00:47:02,720 --> 00:47:05,600 Trust is a bitch at five years old. 754 00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:07,880 He all didn't trust everybody. 755 00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:10,480 Keep that in mind. 756 00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:14,520 He was pulled from foster home to foster home 757 00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:17,400 and he had a thing even into his 30s and 40s 758 00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:19,760 where he didn't put his things up 759 00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:22,640 when he was going to be in a hotel for a few days 760 00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:25,960 because he was pulled from so many different foster homes 761 00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:27,960 that if you put your things up, 762 00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:31,120 one of the other kids would get them or you'd be moved. 763 00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:35,920 So, you know, he always kept everything packed up. 764 00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:37,760 I thought a lot about it. 765 00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:39,600 How would you really feel 766 00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:46,080 if you really didn't even know who your birth mother and father was. 767 00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:49,760 It would be a lonely... an emptiness. 768 00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:53,920 I never saw Jimmy really happy. I mean, he was having a good time. 769 00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:57,600 Most of his days were involved in doing something, 770 00:47:57,600 --> 00:47:59,240 trying to be successful. 771 00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:04,160 - ARCHIVE INTERVIEW: - How many albums have you put down? - Seven. 772 00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:05,640 Seven already, in two years? 773 00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:08,880 - Seven albums in two years. - You've been a busy man! 774 00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:12,760 Orion, I believe one album will be the rockabilly-type album? 775 00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:15,840 Yeah, and the other one Orion has planned to be released real soon 776 00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:17,720 is a gospel-type album. 777 00:48:17,720 --> 00:48:20,560 Texas Tea is a little bit more on the country side 778 00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:23,040 and comes from your album Orion Country. 779 00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:25,000 We've done a lot of experimenting with 780 00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:27,920 the middle-of-the-road album, which was the second release 781 00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:31,520 and, you know, we did the Jerry Lee Lewis album and the Trio Plus album, 782 00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:33,800 which was a duet with Jerry Lee Lewis, Charlie Rich 783 00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:35,120 and Carl Perkins and myself 784 00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:37,920 and we've just done a lot of experimenting and we are... 785 00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:40,360 I think, sooner or later, we're going to come into our own 786 00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:42,480 and really do some really nice things later. 787 00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:45,320 Even if the disc jockeys in the early '80s 788 00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:48,320 were willing to accept a man with a mask on, 789 00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:50,640 you can't market all that to the same station. 790 00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:53,200 At least, you couldn't back in the 1980s. 791 00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:54,760 Now, you could probably market 792 00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:56,680 everything he did now as just country, 793 00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:59,640 but at the time, you couldn't. So... 794 00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:03,840 You know, he threw himself in so many different directions, 795 00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:06,120 I guess, hoping something would stick. 796 00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:09,160 It seemed like he was pretty fast in the studio, 797 00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:11,000 so they could probably get... 798 00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:15,200 ..oh, four songs in three hours. 799 00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:19,360 It wasn't months and months on one track like some artists do. 800 00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:24,360 This was originally the Sun studio 801 00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:28,200 where Jimmy Ellis, Orion, recorded in the '70s and '80s. 802 00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:32,360 We, a couple of years ago, turned it into our merchandise warehouse. 803 00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:39,960 Not only was it a working studio, it was also a "tour studio", 804 00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:42,920 and Shelby had a deal with one of the tour-bus companies. 805 00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:45,400 They would bring in a busload, you know, 806 00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:47,520 a big Greyhound bus full of tourists. 807 00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:49,080 HE LAUGHS 808 00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:52,640 That's funny. I had never been in that situation before. 809 00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:54,120 We'd be in the middle of a session. 810 00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:56,760 All of a sudden, Paul would run in and say, "Bus, bus!" 811 00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:59,480 and we'd have to stop. I'd be in the middle of a guitar solo. 812 00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:01,560 It would get aggravating 813 00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:05,080 because a great solo only comes along once in a lifetime 814 00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:08,000 and all of a sudden somebody comes in and says, "Cut!" 815 00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:12,680 You've lost it, you can't never get that back again. 816 00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:16,280 We'd have to sit there for another hour or two to get the groove back 817 00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:18,400 and finally get into it again 818 00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:20,800 and here comes another tour. 819 00:51:07,720 --> 00:51:11,160 Shelby would release an album first through mail order music, 820 00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:14,440 which meant he'd send these flyers out to all the fans 821 00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:15,560 and they'd all buy it, 822 00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:18,600 THEN he would send it to the record store and it wouldn't sell. 823 00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:22,160 Why? Because he's already sold thousands through the mail at retail. 824 00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:24,040 He wanted that retail money first. 825 00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:25,360 We should have stopped that 826 00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:27,560 and had 'em go into the record store to get it, 827 00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:30,480 but they'd look like bad record sales when they didn't sell 828 00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:33,160 and one of the worst things, I think, that happened to Jimmy, 829 00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:35,000 I don't think there's any doubt in the world 830 00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:38,040 that Save The Last Dance with Jerry Lee sold a million copies, 831 00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:40,240 but Jimmy didn't get a gold record for that. 832 00:51:40,240 --> 00:51:42,800 I think it's a shame that he's never going to go down 833 00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:44,120 as a gold-selling artist 834 00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:47,360 because the money was done in a way that it didn't show up or something. 835 00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:49,680 But we know he sold at least a million copies of that 836 00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:51,640 and Reborn might have come close to that. 837 00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:53,520 To my knowledge, 838 00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:56,120 he never got a royalty cheque from Shelby Singleton, 839 00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:57,800 despite the fact that 840 00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:01,000 there are millions of those albums floating around 841 00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:04,080 and he should have made some money on that. 842 00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:06,760 It might have only been 25,000 or 30,000, 843 00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:08,720 but he should have gotten something. 844 00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:50,240 # If you've got a lot of loving and you don't know where to put it 845 00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:56,160 # You been racking your brain and you don't know who might want it 846 00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:02,480 # If you need someone to hold on to and you don't know who it will be 847 00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:04,400 # Just look me up 848 00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:07,200 # And lay it on me 849 00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:11,960 # Well, look me up and lay it on me 850 00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:15,200 # I swear I won't regret it 851 00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:18,000 # I'll love you so many ways 852 00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:20,760 # Baby, you won't ever forget it 853 00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:23,960 # If you've got that feeling and you don't know what to do 854 00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:29,640 # And you need somebody that you can cuddle up to 855 00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:32,960 # You can't ever tell 856 00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:36,400 # I just might be the very thing you need 857 00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:38,960 # Honey, look me up 858 00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:40,640 # And lay it on me... # 859 00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:46,840 Shelby had scheduled a tour for Orion in Germany 860 00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:52,000 because he was a very popular artist in Germany 861 00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:56,000 and they just had crowds and crowds there. 862 00:53:56,000 --> 00:54:00,160 But somewhere, while they were there, something happened. 863 00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:05,160 Orion was standing on a table in a pub in Germany, 864 00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:08,200 doing tracks to Elvis songs, 865 00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:11,920 which he hated to do, but he was doing it. 866 00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:15,880 They were walking down the street and Shelby basically told him, 867 00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:18,480 "You're always going to be an Elvis impersonator." 868 00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:21,520 He was basically performing by lip-syncing 869 00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:24,600 and he didn't think that was fair to the fans. 870 00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:28,160 We had a big argument and he and I almost got into, 871 00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:30,680 but we never got to fisticuffs. 872 00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:34,800 Now, Orion, six foot three. 873 00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:37,760 Shelby, five eight. 874 00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:41,000 Orion took his arm... 875 00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:44,600 Whap! He hit Shelby in the face. 876 00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:48,920 Shelby fell back in his jumpsuit, his little bitty jumpsuit, 877 00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:52,440 like a turtle that had been turned over on its back. 878 00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:58,560 At that point in time, Shelby tried to distance himself from Orion. 879 00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:13,400 He really didn't want to be Orion. 880 00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:16,080 He wanted to be Jimmy Ellis. 881 00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:24,960 The frustration built, it... it started off very small. 882 00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:28,240 "All right, I have to wear the mask, let me wear the mask, 883 00:55:28,240 --> 00:55:30,560 "I'll get used to it." That attitude. 884 00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:34,880 As time went along, it would burn him, it would irk him. 885 00:55:45,240 --> 00:55:47,160 Why do you wear the mask, Orion? 886 00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:51,760 Good question. 887 00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:55,280 He wore it because he was under contract. 888 00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:58,720 Point blank, simple. 889 00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:03,840 For a while, he had been arguing with Shelby 890 00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:06,840 about whether they should take off the mask to stop the charade 891 00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:09,560 and Shelby kept telling him, "No, the only way this works 892 00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:11,360 "is if you keep up the mystery." 893 00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:29,920 It was a gimmick and he hated it because it took his identity. 894 00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:32,480 I mean, you can imagine 895 00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:35,800 walking around with a paper bag on your head all your life. 896 00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:38,800 You know, that's basically the way he summed it up. 897 00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:43,800 You know, I guess everybody wants a mask to hide behind when you fail, 898 00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:46,000 but if you succeed... 899 00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:51,040 "If I do reach the pinnacle... who am I?" 900 00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:57,400 Reality doesn't mean anything in show business. 901 00:56:57,400 --> 00:56:59,760 It's all perception and that perception was set. 902 00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:01,760 There was no way he could have changed it. 903 00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:05,640 He said, "I'd be up there on that stage doing the show 904 00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:08,680 "and I'd see these people clapping and applauding 905 00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:10,400 "and reaching up to grab me." 906 00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:14,400 And he says, "It dawned on me. They weren't clapping for me. 907 00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:16,760 "They were clapping for a ghost." 908 00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:24,120 So, after years of that, he just got tired of it 909 00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:28,600 and this one day, he decided he'd had enough, 910 00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:30,240 in the middle of a show. 911 00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:46,040 I can still see Bobby Smith's face to this day, 912 00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:50,120 when Jimmy took that mask off and threw it out into the audience. 913 00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:54,400 Bobby come up off his chair - "Noooo! Noooo!" 914 00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:55,920 It was like you see in the movies. 915 00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:59,720 "No! We're done! We're through!" You know? HE LAUGHS 916 00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:01,160 And basically it was. 917 00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:04,960 Pretty much after that, it was... Shelby finally said, 918 00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:07,480 "No, that's it," tore up the contract. 919 00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:10,200 "You're either going to do it my way or it's the highway." 920 00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:11,800 And Jimmy took the highway. 921 00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:30,880 Fans were disappointed before I'd got back to Nashville. 922 00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:34,400 Fans had already called in to Sun Record Company complaining. 923 00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:37,160 He was finished at that point. 924 00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:39,440 What made him had been destroyed. 925 00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:43,760 If he'd have kept the mask on, he could've been a superstar. 926 00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:46,360 Do you think it was a mistake, him taking the mask off? 927 00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:49,880 HE SIGHS 928 00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:51,280 Well... 929 00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:57,160 Yes, if he wanted to continue as Orion. 930 00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:00,920 No, for his own sanity. 931 00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:05,040 But the fans liked the mask. 932 00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:09,080 It's like the guy wearing a Santa Claus suit taking off his beard. 933 00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:13,600 "Oh, no!" Same thing with the mask. 934 00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:16,240 "Don't take the mask off. 935 00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:19,960 "Let me be in this paradise fantasy that I love, 936 00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:21,760 "let me close my eyes 937 00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:24,880 "and just imagine what you might be without the mask. 938 00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:26,040 "Don't take it off." 939 00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:31,440 I think, when he took the mask off, it brought it all to reality. 940 00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:37,280 It was a gamble. He couldn't be happy with just the success. 941 00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:39,200 He had to be known. 942 00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:43,160 There was no way that you could sell him 943 00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:48,680 to a major label like RCA, CBS, Capitol. 944 00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:51,160 I think he went through all of them, 945 00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:54,360 trying to get, you know, deals with them. 946 00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:57,200 They wanted nothing to do with it. 947 00:59:57,200 --> 00:59:59,640 If he'd have gone out to Las Vegas 948 00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:03,120 and gotten recognised as the man with Elvis's voice, 949 01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:06,360 they would have kept calling him to do soundalikes of Elvis. 950 01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:08,760 Somebody wants a movie, there's your guy, 951 01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:12,520 that's who you needed to call and he turned down those 952 01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:16,120 because, "I'm my own man and I'm not an Elvis impersonator." 953 01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:46,600 Tony put this out, the Who's The Next Superstar Of The '80s? 954 01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:50,760 This was all rock and roll, a la Rick Springfield. 955 01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:52,840 And he was a teenybopper idol. 956 01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:56,400 His target audience was probably 12-18. 957 01:00:56,400 --> 01:00:59,680 But, you know, here you had a man who was in his 30s, 958 01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:02,160 and you were marketing him to the same audience. 959 01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:04,000 I didn't ever quite understand that, 960 01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:06,400 but Tony at least seemed to have the connections 961 01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:09,160 to be able to make it work, if anything was going to work. 962 01:01:09,160 --> 01:01:10,960 # That's what she told me, she was 963 01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:14,000 # Still in love with Billy 964 01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:16,000 # Still in love with Billy... # 965 01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:29,200 Most of these people that put the money in 966 01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:31,200 didn't have a background in music. 967 01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:33,960 They didn't know anything about the industry. 968 01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:37,720 Except what they saw on TV, movies, that type of thing. 969 01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:41,960 And that was the other thing, he went by so many different names. 970 01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:43,000 You had Jimmy Ellis. 971 01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:45,120 Then you had Mr E. 972 01:01:45,120 --> 01:01:48,000 I think we also had Mr Excitement. 973 01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:50,800 There was another one they called Ellis James, 974 01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:53,320 which was just his name backwards. 975 01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:56,920 Followed by the Cadillac Man. 976 01:01:56,920 --> 01:01:59,520 And then later Steven Silver. 977 01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:02,360 You know, Madonna constantly reinvented herself 978 01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:05,560 through the '80s and '90s, but in a good way. 979 01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:10,480 With Jimmy Ellis, he probably just needed to pick one and stick with it. 980 01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:13,160 Who are you? You know, make up your mind. 981 01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:17,640 And the only reason why he changed his name so many times 982 01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:19,360 was he wanted to get away from... 983 01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:21,440 So nobody would know who he was. 984 01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:25,440 But his voice was distinctive, it didn't matter what name he used. 985 01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:28,680 He could use Harvey Schwartz and it was just, you know, 986 01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:31,760 it was still that voice. 987 01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:33,200 Didn't matter. 988 01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:37,880 His vocal ability was God-given. He had a God-given talent. 989 01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:40,720 He has no idea where he came from, he was adopted. 990 01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:45,440 A lot of people have tried to say maybe he was related to Elvis. 991 01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:47,160 He could have been, he didn't know. 992 01:02:47,160 --> 01:02:50,680 There's no resemblance to Elvis whatsoever. 993 01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:53,120 But there is to Vernon. 994 01:02:53,120 --> 01:02:57,760 Vernon Presley and Jimmy Ellis look like the same person. 995 01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:01,400 He looked just like Vernon Presley. 996 01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:05,320 I could see the same look, the same hairline, the same ears. 997 01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:06,920 The same... It was just... 998 01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:10,120 Can that be a coincidence, have this vocal? I don't know. 999 01:03:10,120 --> 01:03:12,440 I saw his birth certificate. 1000 01:03:13,600 --> 01:03:16,160 And I remember it was from the state of Mississippi, 1001 01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:18,560 and it said mother, Gladys Bell. 1002 01:03:18,560 --> 01:03:21,200 Father, Vernon, with no last name. 1003 01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:24,800 And it was just blank. And that was all he had ever known. 1004 01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:31,200 Vernon Presley, in his carousing days, could be Jim Ellis's Father. 1005 01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:33,720 I just have a hard time believing 1006 01:03:33,720 --> 01:03:37,280 that two people could look so much alike, 1007 01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:40,360 and then, where does that voice come from? 1008 01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:43,240 Pretty amazing, isn't it? Pretty amazing. 1009 01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:47,440 Jimmy never really told us. 1010 01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:50,520 He never would divulge that part of his life. 1011 01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:53,400 It's almost like he had these secrets, 1012 01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:56,080 and you knew he had a secret, but he would never really... 1013 01:03:56,080 --> 01:03:58,320 He would give you hints. 1014 01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:01,680 Clues. You know, it was like a riddle to Jimmy. 1015 01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:18,160 And then, in the late '80s, he went back to being Orion, 1016 01:05:18,160 --> 01:05:19,640 and even put the mask back on. 1017 01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:22,760 So someone talked him into that, which really surprised me, 1018 01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:24,720 because he hated it so much. 1019 01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:28,720 Hi, everybody, I'm Jim and I've got a real treat for you. 1020 01:05:28,720 --> 01:05:33,000 As a matter of fact, here's the tape we've been waiting for. 1021 01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:37,400 Here's Orion, in concert at Celina, Ohio. 1022 01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:46,280 Now, we... 1023 01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:52,440 We appreciate anything that you folks can do as far as applause. 1024 01:05:52,440 --> 01:05:55,080 We don't care if you get up and dance a little bit, do we? 1025 01:05:55,080 --> 01:05:56,760 No, we don't. 1026 01:05:56,760 --> 01:05:59,960 This is one strange phenomenon about show business. 1027 01:05:59,960 --> 01:06:05,480 One day, that man appears, and all of a sudden, 1028 01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:07,560 you've experienced a superstar. 1029 01:06:07,560 --> 01:06:12,840 And I truly believe tonight you will see a superstar. 1030 01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:16,200 - And if y'all ready to just clap your hands... - CLAPPING 1031 01:06:16,200 --> 01:06:18,120 get your feet together... 1032 01:06:18,120 --> 01:06:21,880 your minds and your bodies, because you're going to see... 1033 01:06:21,880 --> 01:06:26,320 - CHEERING - ..Orion! 1034 01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:30,400 I can't find my way out of here! 1035 01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:35,480 # Uh-huh-huh-huh 1036 01:06:35,480 --> 01:06:37,120 CHEERING 1037 01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:41,200 # I'm making all right 1038 01:06:41,200 --> 01:06:43,440 # From Monday morning to Friday night 1039 01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:46,080 # And oh, that lonely weekend 1040 01:06:46,080 --> 01:06:48,680 # Since you left me 1041 01:06:48,680 --> 01:06:50,560 # I'm as lonely as I can be 1042 01:06:50,560 --> 01:06:53,600 # Oh, it's a lonely weekend 1043 01:06:53,600 --> 01:06:55,280 # Said you'd be 1044 01:06:55,280 --> 01:06:56,640 # Good to me... # 1045 01:06:56,640 --> 01:07:00,200 Orion, an entertainer you'll be hearing and seeing 1046 01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:03,000 as his career continues to grow. 1047 01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:07,720 And he becomes more and more the superstar he deserves to be. 1048 01:07:07,720 --> 01:07:10,320 NO SOUND 1049 01:07:24,520 --> 01:07:27,000 I was going to ask, after a few years of being out there 1050 01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:29,520 without the mask, what made you decide 1051 01:07:29,520 --> 01:07:31,440 to put the mask back on again? 1052 01:07:51,040 --> 01:07:52,800 He hated it. 1053 01:07:52,800 --> 01:07:55,480 But, you know, it's like everybody else, 1054 01:07:55,480 --> 01:07:58,200 you're looking for a payday. 1055 01:07:58,200 --> 01:08:02,160 I got to do this, I got to do that, I got to make ends meet. 1056 01:08:02,160 --> 01:08:03,760 Well, what do you do? 1057 01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:08,320 Do I turn this down because of pride? 1058 01:08:22,320 --> 01:08:26,960 I think the first eight to ten years were semi big time. 1059 01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:30,840 He travelled in a bus like this, there was more money backing him, 1060 01:08:30,840 --> 01:08:33,520 and he was making records on a regular basis. 1061 01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:37,200 And my time with him there, from '88 to '98, 1062 01:08:37,200 --> 01:08:40,600 we tended to travel in a van pulling a trailer. 1063 01:08:40,600 --> 01:08:43,680 They were always fun gigs, they paid OK, 1064 01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:45,760 but it didn't seem real big time. 1065 01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:52,600 It looks bad. 1066 01:08:52,600 --> 01:08:54,400 It looks real bad. 1067 01:08:56,640 --> 01:09:01,360 Unfortunately, Jimmy never made any money except off the concerts. 1068 01:09:01,360 --> 01:09:04,080 Even some of those didn't... 1069 01:09:04,080 --> 01:09:08,240 He got paid X amount to go, but there were so many problems 1070 01:09:08,240 --> 01:09:12,520 with the bus falling apart on the road, getting stranded... 1071 01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:14,000 I mean, things happened. 1072 01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:17,680 So you weren't always turning a profit on every single concert. 1073 01:09:18,800 --> 01:09:21,520 There were other things he could have done to make a living. 1074 01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:23,480 And sometimes that's what he did for a while, 1075 01:09:23,480 --> 01:09:25,240 but he always went back to singing. 1076 01:09:25,240 --> 01:09:26,880 Always. 1077 01:09:26,880 --> 01:09:30,320 If that's something you love to do, you've got to find a way to do it. 1078 01:09:30,320 --> 01:09:32,040 You've got to feed the monkey. 1079 01:09:35,040 --> 01:09:40,520 At 48, most musical careers are over at that time. 1080 01:09:40,520 --> 01:09:42,800 Jimmy didn't understand that. 1081 01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:47,560 He thought he was going to be 32 till the day he was going to die. 1082 01:09:52,400 --> 01:09:56,320 If it had all worked out, it would have been extremely lucrative. 1083 01:09:56,320 --> 01:09:57,920 And towards the end of his career, 1084 01:09:57,920 --> 01:10:00,880 he was like, "To hell with the fame, give me the fortune." 1085 01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:03,520 Because he never really... 1086 01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:05,360 Never saw any of it. 1087 01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:10,680 I think talent is rampant in this town. 1088 01:10:10,680 --> 01:10:14,640 And you can find talent on any street corner, literally. 1089 01:10:14,640 --> 01:10:19,720 So talent really wasn't the issue, it was talent with a hook. 1090 01:10:19,720 --> 01:10:21,360 Talent with... 1091 01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:25,080 what else? Because everybody's talented. 1092 01:10:25,080 --> 01:10:28,240 Oh, I found this great guy and he can sing. 1093 01:10:28,240 --> 01:10:31,120 So what? So can my brother. 1094 01:10:31,120 --> 01:10:33,840 So can his brother. So can his dad. 1095 01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:36,120 Everybody sings, everybody writes. 1096 01:10:36,120 --> 01:10:37,560 It's Nashville. 1097 01:10:39,480 --> 01:10:42,360 Is it a tough place? 1098 01:10:42,360 --> 01:10:43,560 Yeah. 1099 01:10:43,560 --> 01:10:48,360 It's, er... I think it's one of the toughest industries around, 1100 01:10:48,360 --> 01:10:50,800 because it's built on emotions. 1101 01:10:53,160 --> 01:10:56,280 You don't get really interviewed for a job. 1102 01:10:58,640 --> 01:11:00,640 You have to be... 1103 01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:03,120 what somebody wants 1104 01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:05,800 BEFORE you get that interview. 1105 01:11:09,080 --> 01:11:11,840 Probably the toughest industry there is, 1106 01:11:11,840 --> 01:11:15,000 because it plays with your emotions and your mind. 1107 01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:17,520 You have sleepless nights wondering 1108 01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:21,200 if somebody's going to accept this, somebody's going to accept that. 1109 01:11:21,200 --> 01:11:23,120 And that's just the business end of it, 1110 01:11:23,120 --> 01:11:26,280 you've got to get through that before the fans hear you. 1111 01:11:28,360 --> 01:11:31,360 I would not advise anybody to waste their life... 1112 01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:35,280 ..doing it. 1113 01:11:35,280 --> 01:11:37,760 It's a one in a million deal. 1114 01:11:39,280 --> 01:11:42,800 You hope to God you run across people you can trust. 1115 01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:44,640 I mean, they're like sharks. 1116 01:11:46,240 --> 01:11:48,120 It's all for me and not you. 1117 01:11:50,160 --> 01:11:53,000 And that's the problem, he trusted everybody. 1118 01:11:54,200 --> 01:11:57,360 MUSIC: I Remember by Saint Saviour 1119 01:12:01,520 --> 01:12:06,760 # Someone should have told you that you'd always have a place to go 1120 01:12:08,440 --> 01:12:11,560 # Oh-oh 1121 01:12:12,680 --> 01:12:17,280 # We thought you would have known 1122 01:12:17,280 --> 01:12:22,800 # Someone should have told you that you'd never find yourself alone 1123 01:12:24,240 --> 01:12:27,160 # Oh-oh 1124 01:12:28,560 --> 01:12:34,520 # We lost you to the snow 1125 01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:41,520 # Or maybe you climbed out after all? # 1126 01:13:07,640 --> 01:13:11,560 It was all going so downhill that even he lost interest. 1127 01:13:11,560 --> 01:13:16,160 "OK, I'm going back to the farm, I'll do a show here and there." 1128 01:13:16,160 --> 01:13:20,680 He still wanted it, but didn't know what he had to do to go and get it. 1129 01:13:32,720 --> 01:13:35,240 MUSIC ON CAR RADIO: Because He Lives by Bill Gaither 1130 01:13:43,480 --> 01:13:45,960 JIMMY SINGS ALONG 1131 01:13:45,960 --> 01:13:49,520 # I'll cross that river 1132 01:13:51,200 --> 01:13:53,400 # I'll fight life's final 1133 01:13:56,440 --> 01:13:58,920 # War with pain 1134 01:14:01,440 --> 01:14:03,760 # And then as death 1135 01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:09,880 # Gives way to victory 1136 01:14:11,720 --> 01:14:15,640 # I'll see the lights of glory 1137 01:14:15,640 --> 01:14:20,040 # And I'll know He lives 1138 01:14:21,440 --> 01:14:26,400 # Because He lives 1139 01:14:26,400 --> 01:14:32,240 # I can face tomorrow 1140 01:14:32,240 --> 01:14:35,520 # Because He lives 1141 01:14:36,680 --> 01:14:39,560 # All fear is gone... # 1142 01:15:23,880 --> 01:15:27,880 Jimmy decided he would get in a business to make a living. 1143 01:15:27,880 --> 01:15:30,200 The horse industry was out of the question, 1144 01:15:30,200 --> 01:15:31,920 he'd been out of it so many years, 1145 01:15:31,920 --> 01:15:34,520 so he decided to open up two businesses. 1146 01:15:34,520 --> 01:15:37,120 One was a pawn shop. 1147 01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:41,480 I was out of money, so I stopped by there, 1148 01:15:41,480 --> 01:15:44,320 because I lived right around the corner. 1149 01:15:44,320 --> 01:15:47,840 Jimmy offered me to work for him. 1150 01:15:47,840 --> 01:15:49,400 And I said, sure. 1151 01:15:49,400 --> 01:15:52,240 That's where we hit it off. We became friends then. 1152 01:15:52,240 --> 01:15:55,280 He was just a fun person to be around with. 1153 01:15:55,280 --> 01:15:57,320 Did anybody else work in the stores? 1154 01:15:57,320 --> 01:15:59,760 Elaine, his ex-wife. 1155 01:15:59,760 --> 01:16:02,120 - What was Elaine like? - Oh, Elaine... 1156 01:16:03,760 --> 01:16:06,240 She is...crazy. 1157 01:16:06,240 --> 01:16:07,960 A sweet kind of crazy. 1158 01:16:07,960 --> 01:16:11,720 To be honest, they still loved each other. 1159 01:16:11,720 --> 01:16:13,640 I know Elaine did, she was crazy about him 1160 01:16:13,640 --> 01:16:15,480 and he was still crazy about her. 1161 01:16:16,640 --> 01:16:19,640 They can't live together. 1162 01:16:19,640 --> 01:16:22,040 They fuss and fight all the time. 1163 01:16:22,040 --> 01:16:24,960 But they can't be without each other. 1164 01:16:26,520 --> 01:16:33,800 In December of 1998, we had a very sensational robbery in our store. 1165 01:16:33,800 --> 01:16:36,000 And Jimmy came straight down and said, 1166 01:16:36,000 --> 01:16:38,000 "Man, I heard about the robbery." 1167 01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:43,160 And we talked about the dangers of being in business, 1168 01:16:43,160 --> 01:16:46,680 dealing with a large number of people every day, 1169 01:16:46,680 --> 01:16:49,880 in an area where the crime rate is high. 1170 01:16:49,880 --> 01:16:55,760 We both talked about dying or getting killed in a robbery, 1171 01:16:55,760 --> 01:16:58,120 on December the 2nd. 1172 01:16:58,120 --> 01:17:00,680 And Jimmy was killed December the 12th. 1173 01:17:12,120 --> 01:17:13,880 In an armed robbery. 1174 01:17:16,720 --> 01:17:21,720 The morning of December 12, 1998, we sat down 1175 01:17:21,720 --> 01:17:25,040 and started joking about who was going to go buy lunch today. 1176 01:17:25,040 --> 01:17:28,320 Elaine kept saying, "It's your turn, Helen." I said, "No, it ain't. 1177 01:17:28,320 --> 01:17:29,920 "I went yesterday!" 1178 01:17:29,920 --> 01:17:32,160 All of a sudden, the door flew open. 1179 01:17:32,160 --> 01:17:34,960 This guy came in and started firing. 1180 01:17:36,320 --> 01:17:39,640 He hit Elaine first, he blew Elaine's face open. 1181 01:17:39,640 --> 01:17:42,480 Then he turned around and shot Jimmy, then he shot me. 1182 01:17:42,480 --> 01:17:44,520 This is where he shot me. 1183 01:17:44,520 --> 01:17:47,160 And I also still got a pellet in my arm. 1184 01:17:48,320 --> 01:17:51,400 As soon as I hit the floor, I came to, 1185 01:17:51,400 --> 01:17:55,120 but I held my breath, pretended I was dead. 1186 01:17:55,120 --> 01:17:58,840 Because if he had seen me move, he would have shot me again. 1187 01:17:58,840 --> 01:18:01,400 So I just stayed still, holding my breath, I said, 1188 01:18:01,400 --> 01:18:04,280 "Lord, if he's going to kill me, let him kill me quick." 1189 01:18:04,280 --> 01:18:06,360 I was saying that in my mind. 1190 01:18:06,360 --> 01:18:08,320 He was trying to pull the register. 1191 01:18:08,320 --> 01:18:11,720 When he couldn't get the register off the counter, he ran out. 1192 01:18:11,720 --> 01:18:15,600 I heard Jimmy moaning, and I saw Jimmy on the floor, 1193 01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:17,720 he was sitting down holding his side. 1194 01:18:18,800 --> 01:18:22,080 And he was practically barely breathing. 1195 01:18:22,080 --> 01:18:24,640 I didn't see no blood at first. 1196 01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:27,440 And so I looked down, and then I saw it. 1197 01:18:29,120 --> 01:18:32,360 One of the sheriffs came, I guess he was the first one 1198 01:18:32,360 --> 01:18:35,160 that heard it on the radio, he kept trying to revive him. 1199 01:18:35,160 --> 01:18:36,840 You know, trying to wake him up. 1200 01:18:36,840 --> 01:18:38,880 It was already too late. 1201 01:18:42,880 --> 01:18:47,120 I don't know why would somebody do that to somebody so nice as Jimmy. 1202 01:18:49,560 --> 01:18:52,920 He made you feel like you're a family. 1203 01:18:52,920 --> 01:18:55,920 You know, and I loved him for that. 1204 01:18:59,200 --> 01:19:01,240 He's a good person. 1205 01:19:01,240 --> 01:19:04,000 And that's all that happened. 1206 01:19:05,880 --> 01:19:08,880 Everybody started showing up, I don't know how they heard it, 1207 01:19:08,880 --> 01:19:11,720 but all of a sudden the whole place was packed. 1208 01:19:14,640 --> 01:19:16,160 I got here, there was... 1209 01:19:17,600 --> 01:19:18,840 You couldn't even... 1210 01:19:19,960 --> 01:19:25,280 There were cars everywhere. It was like a damn rock concert going on. 1211 01:19:25,280 --> 01:19:27,320 Your heart sank, you know? 1212 01:19:27,320 --> 01:19:30,520 It was a day just like today, except it was cold. 1213 01:19:31,760 --> 01:19:34,000 And there was nothing but blue lights. 1214 01:19:36,680 --> 01:19:38,080 It just... 1215 01:19:38,080 --> 01:19:39,400 It'd tear you up. 1216 01:19:40,680 --> 01:19:41,960 It'd tear you up. 1217 01:19:44,400 --> 01:19:45,560 All for nothing. 1218 01:19:49,600 --> 01:19:53,360 Walked out of here with nothing. Right out that door, right there. 1219 01:19:59,440 --> 01:20:01,440 It is what it is, I can't change it. 1220 01:20:03,720 --> 01:20:05,440 I wish to hell I could. 1221 01:20:07,720 --> 01:20:08,880 Wish I could. 1222 01:20:18,440 --> 01:20:22,000 Sometimes I wonder, if we had stayed together, 1223 01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:27,040 and if we had been able to have the life on the farm and be normal... 1224 01:20:28,480 --> 01:20:30,360 ..you know, if he'd still be here? 1225 01:20:35,280 --> 01:20:38,120 I wished he hadn't been there. 1226 01:20:38,120 --> 01:20:39,880 He shouldn't have been. 1227 01:20:39,880 --> 01:20:42,640 He should've been singing. He should've been performing, 1228 01:20:42,640 --> 01:20:45,040 he shouldn't have been in that town. 1229 01:20:46,120 --> 01:20:51,280 # Swing low 1230 01:20:52,560 --> 01:20:56,840 # Sweet chariot 1231 01:20:59,360 --> 01:21:07,000 # Coming for to carry me home... # 1232 01:21:08,160 --> 01:21:12,200 There were wreaths from most of the Nashville entertainers. 1233 01:21:12,200 --> 01:21:14,840 Some of the big names, the big labels. 1234 01:21:14,840 --> 01:21:19,160 You don't realise how big of a star you are 1235 01:21:19,160 --> 01:21:21,240 until something like that happens. 1236 01:21:22,720 --> 01:21:25,880 I couldn't cry, I just said, 1237 01:21:25,880 --> 01:21:29,320 "Man, you need to get your ass up out of that box. 1238 01:21:29,320 --> 01:21:31,320 "Come on, let's go play some music." 1239 01:21:32,560 --> 01:21:35,760 And right about then, some people put their arm around me and... 1240 01:21:35,760 --> 01:21:36,920 You know. 1241 01:21:40,080 --> 01:21:42,280 I couldn't face up to it. 1242 01:21:43,440 --> 01:21:44,720 That he was gone. 1243 01:21:47,960 --> 01:21:53,360 # Just tell all my friends 1244 01:21:54,560 --> 01:21:59,080 # That I'm coming too 1245 01:22:01,040 --> 01:22:09,000 # Coming for to carry me home 1246 01:22:10,640 --> 01:22:16,320 - # Yes, Lord, I feel like going home - Feel like going home 1247 01:22:16,320 --> 01:22:18,520 # Guess I tried and failed 1248 01:22:18,520 --> 01:22:21,560 # And I'm tired and weary 1249 01:22:21,560 --> 01:22:27,120 - # Everything I thought was wrong - Thought was wrong 1250 01:22:27,120 --> 01:22:31,720 - # And I feel like going home - Sweet Lord 1251 01:22:31,720 --> 01:22:35,640 - # Sweet chariot - Sweet Lord 1252 01:22:35,640 --> 01:22:39,720 # Swing low, sweet chariot 1253 01:22:39,720 --> 01:22:46,760 - # I'm going home - Going home 1254 01:22:48,360 --> 01:22:53,720 # I am going 1255 01:22:53,720 --> 01:23:03,560 - # Home - I'm going home. # 1256 01:23:22,400 --> 01:23:25,040 # Trees grow tall 1257 01:23:25,040 --> 01:23:27,840 # Where I come from 1258 01:23:27,840 --> 01:23:32,120 # The leaves are green and fine 1259 01:23:33,480 --> 01:23:36,040 # I was born in a world... # 98808

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