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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:04,040 This programme contains very strong language from the outset 2 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:05,960 and throughout. 3 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:23,560 'Veronica Guerin on Dublin's new young criminals, 4 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:26,040 high on champagne and cocaine.' 5 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:29,480 'In the past two years, 6 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:33,000 Dublin's Drug Squad has identified a new breed 7 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:36,560 within the established order of the narcotics hierarchy. 8 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:39,280 The new dealers are young and flashy 9 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:43,080 and make no attempt to hide their lavish lifestyles.' 10 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:46,680 'Cocaine is held in special affection.' 11 00:00:47,480 --> 00:00:51,560 'The dealers believe its high price and exclusivity 12 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:54,560 proves they are part of a criminal elite. 13 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:57,360 As their trade increases, 14 00:00:57,360 --> 00:01:00,400 the yuppies are becoming more confident.' 15 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:03,360 ♪ Hit it! ♪ 16 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:05,680 Whoo! 17 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:09,320 The finest Bolivian flake. 18 00:01:09,320 --> 00:01:13,280 Just got a few bricks in through the docks. No hassle. 19 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:15,320 Go on, give it a whack. 20 00:01:19,320 --> 00:01:24,600 Ooh! Fuck me! Jesus, Mary and Joseph! 21 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:26,640 Whoo! 22 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:31,440 All right, John. Give us a smile. 23 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:36,920 Get that fucking thing off me. 24 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:41,160 I don't want the fucking Guards knocking down me fucking door! 25 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:46,200 Little cocky shite. 26 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:51,480 Lads. A toast to Dublin... 27 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:56,000 ...and our friends overseas. And the importation business. 28 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:59,720 Slainte. 29 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:02,560 And to little Johnny, fresh out of jail. 30 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:06,440 Good to have you back, pal. 31 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:15,960 Who the fuck does he think he's calling small? Cheeky ! 32 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:21,760 ♪ Here I go, falling down, down, down 33 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:24,800 ♪ My mind is a blank 34 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:30,440 ♪ My head is spinning around and around 35 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:36,400 ♪ As I go deep into the funnel of love ♪ 36 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:47,880 "The Irish economy is certainly racing ahead. 37 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:50,880 Ireland's been dubbed the "Celtic Tiger". 38 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:54,200 Its economic growth is on a par with the Asian tigers. 39 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:56,840 New buildings are being thrown up all the time. 40 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:59,240 They can't build hotels fast enough. 41 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:02,360 Traders are rubbing their hands in glee." 42 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:08,360 All of a sudden, people spoke about money 43 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:10,680 like everybody was a millionaire. 44 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:14,680 You know, people are talking about private planes, helicopters. 45 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:17,040 But I remember nights in the club 46 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:19,960 where there'd be six, seven cars with chauffeurs sitting in them, 47 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:22,520 waiting for their people to come out of the club. 48 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:29,480 We opened a club called Renards 49 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:32,160 and became very successful. 50 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:35,640 Cocaine at the time was everywhere in Dublin. 51 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:39,560 I remember some people coming to the club 52 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:42,720 who were what we would have called visiting VIPs, 53 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:45,360 but openly asking me where they could get it. 54 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:48,680 So that was the first time I really, you know, 55 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:50,720 realised that it was all around me. 56 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:59,040 In the mid-'90s, we had these laws that shut down raves. 57 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:03,800 People were being encouraged to run clubs where there was drinking. 58 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:07,880 But if you've just come from ten years of raving, 59 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:09,800 drinking isn't gonna cut it. 60 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:14,040 So, walk in cocaine. "Hi, I'm cocaine." 61 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:18,400 And you can sit in a pub coked off your tits. 62 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:22,280 You know what I mean? It's hard to sit in a pub full of ecstasy. 63 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:25,480 And... it's very lucrative. 64 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:33,000 'Heroin thrived when times were bad, 65 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:35,760 and coke thrived when times were good.' 66 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:42,800 You could call up a courier and have it couriered to where you were. 67 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:45,240 You didn't have to go down a dark alleyway 68 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:48,960 and talk to horrible people anymore. It was a sanitised operation. 69 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:53,800 If anything was branded absolutely brilliantly, it was cocaine. 70 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:55,760 It's clean, it's white, it's pure. 71 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:58,240 The models use it, the rock stars use it. 72 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:00,160 It's gonna give you great sex, 73 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:02,600 give you the best night of your life. 74 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:11,160 I was at a house party. 75 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:14,480 There's a bloke from the north of the city in there, 76 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:18,320 and I was up talking to him about the dogs and stuff like that, 77 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:20,360 and he just whacked out line. 78 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:25,600 And I said, "That tastes funny. Is that speed?" 79 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:28,000 And he goes, "No, that's cocaine." 80 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:31,400 I was just floating. 81 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:34,200 Every colour was brighter. 82 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:36,320 Everything was sweeter. 83 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:39,120 When you found out it was coke, did that put you off? 84 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:42,080 No. It was, "Where's another one?" 85 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:46,160 But there is a downside to coke. 86 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:48,200 You have a gorilla on your back. 87 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:54,320 Like a big, white albino gorilla saying, "Get more! Get more!" 88 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:05,560 Both my parents died when I was young. 89 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:08,400 I was a little brat. 90 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:14,160 I was getting into scraps and that. 91 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:18,080 Robbing orchards and getting in trouble with the Guards. 92 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:23,240 But I started lifting weights. I was training with powerlifters. 93 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:30,560 And by the time I was 20, I was entering Mr Ireland competitions. 94 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:33,960 My nickname in one of the gyms was Tarzan, 95 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:36,080 cos I had a 21" neck 96 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:40,680 Back then, I was a henchman, 97 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:43,160 collecting money for drug dealers. 98 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:48,760 And around that time in Dublin, 99 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:51,080 coke really exploded. 100 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:53,120 So I started selling. 101 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:59,560 I knew about 30 suppliers, because I was collecting for them. 102 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:01,400 So I had that network... 103 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:04,920 ...and then I had transport. 104 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:08,640 Once you have that, you're streets ahead of everyone else, 105 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:11,600 because you can go to a cheaper source abroad. 106 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:15,120 How did you bring the stuff in? 107 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:19,880 We had a pick-up truck, and you'd have, like, all the equipment, 108 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:23,600 as if you were going to fix a road. And they'd be like a drum, 109 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:26,640 and there might be 2Ks of coke in that. And then you'd put that 110 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:28,680 on the back of this pick-up 111 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:31,200 and you'd put a load of hot tarmac on to it. 112 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:33,800 There'd be steam coming off the tarmac. 113 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:35,760 It was big style. 114 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:39,520 So you'd get a chemical truck with a big drum on the back, 115 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:43,960 a big motherfucker, and you'd fill it with mercury. 116 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:47,920 When they X-ray it, mercury's metal, they can't see through it, 117 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:50,320 so you'd sail through. 118 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:52,480 It was easy. 119 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:55,720 If I wanted to, I could have brought in a fucking elephant. 120 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:05,000 At that time, a lot of people 121 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:07,560 were spending money on cocaine and partying. 122 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:13,880 And there was a gang that heard about me driving skills. 123 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:17,760 They offered me a bit of work with them as a driver... 124 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:20,600 ...moving drugs. 125 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:29,600 I got me first car when I was 12. 12?!12, yeah. 126 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:32,160 I saved up Holy Communion money. 127 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:34,640 So I started off driving very young. 128 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:38,080 I always pushed the car to the real limits. 129 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:44,760 When I was couriering the drugs, 130 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:47,400 it involved me transporting all sorts. 131 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:51,040 I loved driving and I loved cars, 132 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:53,280 so it really was my dream job 133 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:00,800 Weekends was the busiest. 134 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:09,680 And then I just meet different dealers all about the place. 135 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:15,040 Driving fast, it would be just a feeling of euphoria. 136 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:17,760 The Guards could never, ever catch me. 137 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:22,640 I actually said to them if a Guard was able to catch me driving, 138 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:25,800 I would shake his hand, because I felt that unstoppable. 139 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:31,200 In the 1990s, the Guards just didn't have the knowledge 140 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:34,640 how to actually go about bringing these guys down. 141 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:38,120 So they were fairly untouchable at the time. 142 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:42,200 'This was the very thing that Veronica saw 143 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:45,200 and realised that something had to be done. 144 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:51,600 I first met Veronica in the newsroom of the Sunday Independent. 145 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:54,080 We just clicked straightaway. 146 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:57,960 We bonded over our love for Manchester United.' 147 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:01,360 And I think the only time I ever saw her genuinely stymied 148 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:04,440 was when Eric Cantona, who we both worshipped, 149 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:08,240 walked in and I said, "Do you want a photograph with him?" 150 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:10,840 'And she was just starstruck. 151 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:17,040 Veronica was one of those people that never stopped moving. 152 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:19,120 She was a one-woman band. 153 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:22,040 She had her phone, she had her car, and that was it.' 154 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:24,600 She would only come into the office for meetings 155 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:28,920 and just to kind of blaze through like a force of nature. 156 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:32,080 'Everything about her was quite unique. 157 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:35,080 She just was an unlikely journalist 158 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:37,680 and she was even a more unlikely heroine. 159 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:43,160 Drugs really took hold of Dublin City throughout the '80s.' 160 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:47,880 And it went from small family-run units... 161 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:53,760 ...into much more highly organised and very ruthless gangs, 162 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:56,760 and they ran the streets. 163 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:59,920 'Veronica had a strong crusading streak in her 164 00:10:59,920 --> 00:11:02,600 and a real sense of social justice.' 165 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:07,880 She felt very strongly about the depredations 166 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:11,280 caused to her local community by drugs, 167 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:17,520 and just felt that the story really wasn't being dealt with properly. 168 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:23,840 'So she decided to go after these guys.' 169 00:11:42,680 --> 00:11:46,360 "A traditional assumption, all in aspiring journalists needs 170 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:49,720 is a nose for news, a notebook and ambition." 171 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:54,080 'For a small country, we produce a lot of big criminals, 172 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:56,480 But in Dublin in the '90s, 173 00:11:56,480 --> 00:11:59,920 there was a massive investment in good investigative journalism.' 174 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:09,440 'From a really young age I was always interested 175 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:13,080 in sort of nailing the bad guy, for want of a better word. 176 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:17,320 A job came up on the Sunday World in 1987. 177 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:19,920 I was a photographer, I was 20 years of age, 178 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:22,680 this was just like a whole new world. 179 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:26,960 Heroin had gripped the city by the time I arrived, 180 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:30,080 and a lot of us had seen the damage around Dublin 181 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:32,000 that the drugs were causing. 182 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:35,800 So when we found out who was running it, we'd go after 'em. 183 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:39,720 These drug lords, they were bringing the rot into the country. 184 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:42,360 But that meant we had to be very careful. 185 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:47,360 'They're some of the most dangerous people 186 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:50,520 the country has to offer, so you approached them slowly. 187 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:55,840 You learnt to watch them, survey them. 188 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:58,880 You had three or four cameras at your disposal, 189 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:02,360 usually in the footwell of the passenger seat, always ready to go, 190 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:06,000 cos it was a split second. 191 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:09,680 There was other crime journalists on daily newspapers and, yeah, 192 00:13:09,680 --> 00:13:13,600 there was great rivalry, but good friendship between them all. 193 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:15,880 You know, we'd go for a pint.' 194 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:19,760 And Veronica Guerin was writing for the Sunday Independent, 195 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:22,200 which was the Sunday World's sister paper, 196 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:25,200 and we respected Veronica hugely as a journalist. 197 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:29,160 There's so much money in the whole drugs industry, 198 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:32,600 and it really is a multimillion pound industry, 199 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:37,400 and, therefore, you've got people at all levels 200 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:40,600 within this drug industry getting into to try and make money. 201 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:44,920 They're motivated by avarice and therefore nothing else matters. 202 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:47,840 Veronica introduced the notion of follow the money. 203 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:50,000 A bit like in the States. You know, 204 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:52,720 Al Capone was brought down over his taxes. 205 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:56,400 She suddenly realised that this was the vulnerability 206 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:58,640 of these high-ranking criminals. 207 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:01,160 You know, if there is a money trail to be found, 208 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:03,960 that's the way of proving that it's ill-gotten gains. 209 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:08,280 And at that time, there was this cabal of people 210 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:11,760 who just seemed to have unlimited funds, that were driving flash cars, 211 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:15,160 that owned huge properties off the back of the proceeds 212 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:17,200 of crime and drugs. 213 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:23,800 Everything you touched was turning into money. 214 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:28,520 At the peak, it was probably 30 grand every ten days. 215 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:33,440 The coke that I'd bring in, it was always good quality. 216 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:37,600 You could cut it with glucose and people still would be happy. 217 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:41,960 You'd get 100 grams and you could make 500 grams out of it. 218 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:45,360 I was just buying everything. 219 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:49,520 ...that used to drive me round, 220 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:52,640 and if I would see any homeless people, 221 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:55,200 I opened the glove box, 222 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:57,440 it was full of fucking 50s, 223 00:14:57,440 --> 00:15:00,280 and I'd give the homeless person 50. 224 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:03,280 I was mad. I just used to give it away. 225 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:10,400 I remember flying into London, I had me son with me. 226 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:12,040 We went to Harrods. 227 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:15,480 I dropped about five grand in one afternoon. 228 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:18,560 You never think it's gonna end. You know what I mean? 229 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:21,880 Because you have other twist coming and another one coming, 230 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:23,840 so you just blew the money. 231 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:29,720 In the '90s, it was certainly a bit of a Wild West out there. 232 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:36,720 You had a dual economy. 233 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:40,200 You had the black economy as well as the legitimate economy. 234 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:43,960 And the black economy was really cash changing hands. 235 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:48,360 There was a lot of people who were outside the system. 236 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:52,480 And I think the police at the time were demoralised, 237 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:57,920 because criminals were being caught, but because they had money, 238 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:01,080 they had access to good barristers and solicitors, 239 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:05,240 and they were out on the street almost before detectives 240 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:07,280 got back to the Garda station. 241 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:11,960 In 1994, I was a Detective Inspector 242 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:14,920 in charge of the Money Laundering Investigation Unit. 243 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:22,480 At that time we were seeing huge amounts of wealth 244 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:25,400 moving through the Irish financial system. 245 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:28,000 And people who had been a petty criminal, 246 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:31,720 all of a sudden were moving in different circles. 247 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:34,360 And there was huge signs of wealth in Dublin 248 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:36,840 among people who had never worked. 249 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:42,160 It was plain to see that the drug business was increasing. 250 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:46,800 And we found from our investigations 251 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:50,760 that a lot of money was being made by John Gilligan and his associates. 252 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:53,680 All right, John. Give us a smile. 253 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:01,400 John Gilligan, nicknamed "Factory John" 254 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:04,120 for his love of robbing factories, 255 00:17:04,120 --> 00:17:07,520 often holding security men or truck drivers hostage 256 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:09,560 and beating them up badly. 257 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:15,400 He then soon went from that... to drug smuggling. 258 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:18,800 It's estimated that over about a three year period 259 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:20,600 the street value they brought in 260 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:23,200 about 180 million euros worth of hashish. 261 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:30,000 John Gilligan came to our notice 262 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:32,320 because of his involvement in cannabis. 263 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:40,640 We had specific intelligence some of it was coming from Lebanon, 264 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:44,200 some of it was coming from Morocco into Ireland, 265 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:47,240 and then broken into smaller shipments to be distributed 266 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:51,440 either around the country here or there were shipments into the UK. 267 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:55,160 But he always remained removed from it. 268 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:58,360 Why cannabis rather than harder drugs? 269 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:02,040 So it may have been a business decision. 270 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:05,560 He didn't have to compete with some of the criminal gangs 271 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:08,520 that were actually importing heroin and cocaine, 272 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:11,360 but he expected to make considerable wealth from it, 273 00:18:11,360 --> 00:18:16,800 and he was very determined that that was what he was going to do. 274 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:22,200 At that time, the banks 275 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:24,680 were reporting suspicious transactions to us 276 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:29,960 in relation to monies that were moving to the Jessbrook facility. 277 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:37,160 Gilligan and his wife Geraldine 278 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:40,560 had bought this massive equestrian centre, 279 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:44,280 valued at something like £4 million... 280 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:48,040 and they had begun to become upwardly mobile, 281 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:52,840 hold equestrian events, get to know the local dignitaries... 282 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:58,120 ...and had really begun to integrate themselves into polite society. 283 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:01,560 These were people who would not have... 284 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:06,240 ...and showed no means of earning this money. 285 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:10,040 So we started to focus our attention on where did the money come from? 286 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:14,960 And that's when we set up an an operation. 287 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:19,880 But we could clearly see that we had an uphill battle 288 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:23,200 linking it to the drug trafficking trade. 289 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:31,400 The sad part of it is that the Guards and the journalists 290 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:35,200 and the dogs in the street know who, more often than not, 291 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:37,880 who is responsible for carrying out the crimes, 292 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:39,920 and yet nothing can be done. 293 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:45,720 Being a journalist, Veronica had realised the libel laws in Ireland 294 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:50,120 are incredibly strict, so she devised this way 295 00:19:50,120 --> 00:19:53,320 of bringing these people out of the darkness into the light 296 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:55,480 by giving them nicknames. 297 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:59,560 We couldn't use the names at the time because there was no 298 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:03,480 major criminal convictions against the country's biggest crime bosses. 299 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:08,920 But such names started appearing like the Coach, the Zombie, 300 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:11,880 the Penguin, the Viper. 301 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:16,840 In a way, silly type... comic book names, but make no mistake, 302 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:19,520 these were dangerous, violent criminals. 303 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:23,680 Ireland is the land of myth and story. 304 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:25,600 And we love stories, and we love, 305 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:28,160 you know, when the hero becomes the villain 306 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:30,360 and goes back and the lines are blurred. 307 00:20:30,360 --> 00:20:34,280 So probably the most notorious one in this country was the General. 308 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:37,040 Why are you wearing a balaclava - over your face? - Wouldn't you, 309 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:41,160 with all the things they're saying about ya? Mickey Mouse! 310 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:43,480 He was like a Robin Hood. 311 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:46,560 You know, rob from the rich give to the poor. 312 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:49,320 He famously robbed a big posh gaff. 313 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:52,200 "Gardai allege the General had a hand 314 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:54,880 in the theft of £20 million worth of paintings. 315 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:57,320 It was the world's biggest ever art robbery. 316 00:20:57,320 --> 00:21:00,920 Only a few of the paintings have so far been recovered." 317 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:04,600 Martin Cahill, otherwise known as the General. 318 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:08,440 He was an armed robber, he did deal in drugs. 319 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:12,200 There would be a number of us following him. Like, I personally 320 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:14,480 on and off was on him for two years. 321 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:16,920 The picture of his face was a golden nugget. 322 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:19,920 It became a bit of a running joke around the country. 323 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:25,360 "He was also known to have organised sprees of tyres slashing 324 00:21:25,360 --> 00:21:27,400 in the vicinity of Garda stations, 325 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:30,120 and on one occasion to have had his lieutenants 326 00:21:30,120 --> 00:21:32,600 dig up the greens at the Garda club in Stackstown 327 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:34,800 in the Dublin Mountains." 328 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:37,560 A lot of the criminals at some stage had worked with him, 329 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:40,960 had done a factory job with him or a bank. 330 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:43,440 For example, John Gilligan and the General 331 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:47,760 would have together going back to the mid-'70s into the '80s. 332 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:52,560 He liked to give this impression that he was one of these ODCs, 333 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:55,240 Ordinary Decent Criminal, you know. 334 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:58,240 He would help out the poor or his family, 335 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:02,680 but behind it... he dished out some real, real violence. 336 00:22:07,120 --> 00:22:10,360 He was against murder, it would just bring too much heat... 337 00:22:11,120 --> 00:22:13,280 ...but you might get nailed to a table. 338 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:18,200 His favourite trick was to pin people to pool tables 339 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:21,120 if he felt that they had snitched on him. 340 00:22:22,120 --> 00:22:25,040 I think it's fair to say he was a psychopath. 341 00:22:27,120 --> 00:22:30,560 I was an acting news editor at the Sunday Independent... 342 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:35,800 ...and I remember Veronica was determined to talk to him. 343 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:39,080 She had that kind of steely determination. 344 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:41,120 She was doing a story about the General, 345 00:22:41,120 --> 00:22:45,120 and she dropped letters in his letterbox asking for an interview 346 00:22:45,120 --> 00:22:47,480 five times in one week. 347 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:53,800 'Criminal A is 47 from the Rathmines/Ranelagh area of Dublin. 348 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:56,200 He's believed to have been responsible 349 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:58,440 for some of Ireland's major crimes. 350 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:03,000 Former associates have suffered the most barbaric punishments. 351 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:07,040 He is understood to be financing the younger members of his family 352 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:09,920 involved in the Dublin drugs market.' 353 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:11,480 We do know that he funded 354 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:15,280 John Gilligan's first big shipment of drugs into Ireland 355 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:19,880 back in February '94 of about 300,000 euros, 356 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:22,320 and he was due that money back. 357 00:23:31,360 --> 00:23:34,480 "The ambush happened shortly after three o'clock in Ranelagh, 358 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:37,960 a well-known bedsitter suburb on the south side of the city." 359 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:43,960 In August 1994... 360 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,240 the General was assassinated. 361 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:51,280 He was going to a video store when a motorbike pulled up beside him 362 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:53,320 and pumped him full of bullets. 363 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:55,920 The car came around the corner 364 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:59,560 and the guy ran along at the driver's side... shouting. 365 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:03,960 It was clear that the younger crowd coming up, 366 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:08,360 they were going to be far more ruthless than he had ever been. 367 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:13,800 'The Gardai are aware that Cahill's associates 368 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,400 intend to avenge his death. 369 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:25,880 Dublin City is currently like a tinderbox just waiting to explode.' 370 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:30,680 So when the General is murdered, 371 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:33,560 very quickly Dublin becomes more violent. 372 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:38,080 You start to see the emergence of the gangland hits. 373 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:41,560 There's an extraordinary explosion of gangland killings. 374 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:53,960 Before Martin Cahill was murdered, 375 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,600 there seemed to be a code of conduct... 376 00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,440 ...but that stops. 377 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:07,920 Paranoia sets in because they're using their own drug. 378 00:25:11,120 --> 00:25:14,360 And a lot of them had this awful thirst for blood. 379 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:19,640 There's this lack of trust. 380 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:24,880 And these are gangs that could have come up as childhood friends. 381 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:28,280 All right, Pat? 382 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:30,680 No. 383 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:33,800 Someone's been stealing from me. 384 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:36,640 What? 385 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:45,480 Fucking shite hawk! 386 00:25:48,360 --> 00:25:52,200 The new element now is the openness of the killing. 387 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:55,360 There are people in this city prepared to go knock on the door 388 00:25:55,360 --> 00:25:57,960 and shoot someone dead? But that is what's happening. 389 00:25:57,960 --> 00:25:59,720 They have no respect at all 390 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,680 for either... for individuals or for property. 391 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,840 The week before last, there were two shootings in North Dublin. 392 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:09,840 One guy has nearly lost a leg and another guy was kneecapped. 393 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:16,680 'Since Cahill's murder, detectives have received information 394 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:18,960 that other people are at risk... 395 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,000 ...including me.' 396 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:31,560 Veronica had rang me. 397 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,040 She was alone in the house at the time. 398 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,760 Uh-huh. 399 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:44,320 And she went, "Oh, someone's at the door."I'll call you back. 400 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,080 Oh, Christ! 401 00:27:12,120 --> 00:27:15,440 "The shooting happened shortly after seven o'clock this evening. 402 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,680 It was presumed to be a warning from a crime gang 403 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,160 not to push her investigations too far." 404 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:25,760 I can really still hear the sound of the shot... 405 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:29,840 and, er ...a stinging sensation in my... 406 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:33,200 just a sting in my leg. 407 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:37,200 When she was brought to hospital, they said it was a miracle 408 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,760 that she hadn't bled out on the floor. 409 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:44,360 It really wasn't clear who had ordered that shooting... 410 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:49,600 ...because around that time she had actually done a few pieces 411 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,120 on fairly high profile figures. 412 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:55,640 It's a massive trauma being shot, 413 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,400 but she was absolutely determined to go on. 414 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:04,360 I think what she really wanted to do was try and make the authorities see 415 00:28:04,360 --> 00:28:07,200 what was going on under their noses. 416 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:11,080 These were the high ranking members of the criminal underworld, 417 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:14,120 people who had never been written about before. 418 00:28:14,120 --> 00:28:17,320 And it's hard to emphasise just how much freedom 419 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,240 that these people, you know, had to operate in. 420 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,280 ♪ PORTISHEAD: Numb 421 00:28:26,120 --> 00:28:31,800 The trouble is you were dealing with dangerous, often unstable people. 422 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,600 Don't make war, make friends 423 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,400 and make everyone loads of fucking money. 424 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,440 That was my philosophy. 425 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:47,040 But in the '90s, you had crews ripping each other off, 426 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:50,320 and that's when the violence would start. 427 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:56,880 And the papers, they could get you whacked like that. 428 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:00,720 Never mind the police, if you were 429 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,960 in the limelight of the media, you're fucked. 430 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:13,000 I had a ground rule where I'd eat three meals before I'd do a line, 431 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:17,840 but that could be 11 o'clock. A banana, that's one. 432 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:21,440 You know, a grape, there's another one. "Right, give me a line." 433 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,040 In this game, you had to be sharp. 434 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:35,240 And a little bit of paranoia's a good thing, 435 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,640 but with coke, once it's surrounding you, 436 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,960 you start seeing things, you start hearing things. 437 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,960 - Run! - Like, if you got a phone call off someone 438 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:49,120 and they was a bit cheeky, you'd start twisting it and twisting it. 439 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:52,680 And before you know where you are there's an assassin coming, 440 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:56,240 and he's flying in on a helicopter. 441 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:09,960 And the Guards, 442 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,800 they'd start hearing about what I was doing. 443 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:17,080 And they got this member of the Drug Squad 444 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:20,560 up from down the country. He was a really good driver. 445 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:26,520 Caught me straightaway, he turned around after me and... 446 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,720 Usually, I'd lose the Guards in two minutes, 447 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:36,120 but the chase went on for just over an hour. 448 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:40,400 I knew the car would actually do 125mph. 449 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:44,040 And I was going round the bends at that speed, that's how I lost them. 450 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,760 But most of me money went up ne nose. 451 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,840 And as me addiction with cocaine went on, 452 00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:53,400 it started to interfere with my mind a lot. 453 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,160 When I was driving, I was that paranoid, 454 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:59,520 I was looking in the mirror thinking the Guards was after me. 455 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:02,560 I remember one time I had cocaine, 456 00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:05,520 it was the best cocaine on the market, 457 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,840 I buried it in the ground, went back to get it, 458 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,920 and couldn't find it in the area at all. 459 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:17,880 Went and got a fella with a digger to dig around the whole area 460 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,760 to find it and we still never found it. 461 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:23,720 That's when I just said, 462 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:27,280 "Flip this! I can't continue this life anymore." 463 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:31,200 How long did it take you to decide, "I'm a crime reporter, 464 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,040 I'm going to keep on doing it"? 465 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:37,320 I decided that... I went through a whole series of emotions. I mean, 466 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:40,160 I did consider getting out of it, 467 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:45,160 and then I just realised that that would probably be more of a strain 468 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:48,920 than staying in it. And it's my job, it's what I do, 469 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:52,080 and somebody has to do it. I'm not the only crime reporter 470 00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:55,120 that does this. And I think that the regrettable thing 471 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,920 is that we're all probably targets, unfortunately. 472 00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:01,520 Veronica, thank you very much for - coming in. - Thank you. 473 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:08,560 The feeling was she was getting very close to someone very big. 474 00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:13,400 And then we heard through the newspapers that it was Gilligan 475 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,640 that she was edging towards. 476 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:19,400 ♪ And it's no, nay, never... ♪ 477 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,440 Until Veronica Guerin pinpointed him, 478 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,760 a lot of people had never heard of him. 479 00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:31,840 He was a more mysterious figure than the General, 480 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:35,240 but he really was coining it. 481 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:39,600 I mean, he employed two people full time just counting the cash. 482 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:43,760 In some ways, 483 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,000 he was almost like a childish type character, 484 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:49,040 the pint-sized John, as some people would call him. 485 00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:50,520 But again, he was the furthest 486 00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,240 from an ordinary decent criminal that we've ever seen. 487 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:56,600 All his gang had to revolve around him all his family. 488 00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,640 Anyone connected to him had to revolve around him, 489 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:01,680 tell him he was great. 490 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,760 John Gilligan, more than anybody, ran his gang on fear. 491 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,760 And these were really dangerous people, like Brian Meehan. 492 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:10,840 Little cocky shite! 493 00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:12,960 Very violent criminals. 494 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:19,640 Gilligan was known to be a very volatile individual, 495 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:22,800 and he was somebody who was particularly paranoid 496 00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:24,840 about appearing in print. 497 00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:29,120 'Criminal B is 43 498 00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:32,400 and lives in the Rathfarnham area of Dublin. 499 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:36,160 He travels regularly to the continent and the Far East 500 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:40,680 to arrange his drug deals but never carries it himself. 501 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:44,960 Over the past ten years, he has diverted his activities 502 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:48,960 from armed robberies into the more lucrative drug market. 503 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:52,720 He is now regarded as Dublin's leading drug baron.' 504 00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:59,000 Veronica had been chasing a few stories on him... 505 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:02,120 and this absolutely enraged him. 506 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:08,760 The fact that somebody was threatening to peel off 507 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:12,080 those very thin layers of respectability from his life 508 00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:14,120 and expose who he really was. 509 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,680 She was on a story outside Dublin and suddenly realised 510 00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:28,040 that she was quite close to the equestrian centre. 511 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,840 So she decided to pay a call. 512 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:34,960 This is quite normal in journalism, it's called "door stepping". 513 00:34:45,720 --> 00:34:48,560 Mr Gilligan, my name is Veronica Guerin. 514 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:50,640 I'd like to ask you some questions. 515 00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:52,680 I know who you are. 516 00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:55,640 You've some balls in ya coming to my house, 517 00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:57,680 you nosey fucking bitch! 518 00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:15,840 I was in the office when she came back from Jessbrook. 519 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,760 She was in a pretty bad state. 520 00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:20,920 We got her to go to hospital. 521 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:24,840 And she was very shook up, her clothes were torn. 522 00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,440 She was beaten black and blue. 523 00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:29,600 I mean, I saw the bruises. 524 00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,000 He punched her in the head, 525 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,760 he punched her in the stomach, punched her in the breasts, 526 00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:37,800 and rained down threats 527 00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:42,120 that he would "fucking kill everybody in her family." 528 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,160 She made a statement to the Guards 529 00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:47,680 and wanted to press charges against him. 530 00:35:48,720 --> 00:35:51,960 But she just for the first time, I think, really understood 531 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,560 the dangers of what she was doing. 532 00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:58,120 And everybody around her was kind of saying, 533 00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:01,120 "Yeah, look, maybe it is time to get out of it."! 534 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:05,480 But she wanted to see this through. 535 00:36:06,240 --> 00:36:08,240 You know, she had a mission. 536 00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:14,840 'The past 12 months have brought us images we might have expected to see 537 00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:18,920 only in reportage from America's down-at-heel ghettos 538 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,840 or the drug-riddled streets of Colombia. 539 00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:25,600 In 1995...it happened here. 540 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:30,840 As 1996 begins, has the Irish underworld 541 00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:33,920 taken another step towards its ultimate goal 542 00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:37,200 of becoming the new untouchables?' 543 00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:43,360 The media were poking a hornet's nest. 544 00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:48,160 Once you got to the Sunday papers, 545 00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:51,080 your career... you're over, you're finished. 546 00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:55,080 That's the last thing you want is that kind of attention. 547 00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,920 At that time, you're looking over your shoulder 548 00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:03,640 for the police all the time. 549 00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:06,840 They'd raid the house. 550 00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,400 They'd be hoping I'd have drugs on me 551 00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,960 or I'd have a weapon on me or something. 552 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:16,640 So they bring me in and he'd hold me for as long as they could. 553 00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:21,600 But because they couldn't charge you, they were pissed off. 554 00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,520 They'd make life really awkward for ya. 555 00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:30,040 At that point, if I coulda checked out, I woulda checked out. 556 00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:33,000 I would have just cashed in and just... you know what I mean, 557 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,040 lived the simple life. 558 00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:40,000 At the time that Veronica was writing in the papers, 559 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,480 we were working very hard behind the scenes, 560 00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:46,680 looking at the money trail and the Gilligan empire. 561 00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,360 We could clearly see that there was a lot of money 562 00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:51,440 coming in from the casinos in Europe, 563 00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:55,160 and John Gilligan and his associates were claiming 564 00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:58,280 that they had won their money from betting. 565 00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:02,680 So I and one of my colleagues who worked in the drugs field, 566 00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:08,560 we both went to Holland... to look at these casinos... 567 00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:10,840 ...and we realised that 568 00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,520 there was a lot of money lodged to the casinos, 569 00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:17,520 lodged in cash, but they weren't winning. 570 00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,520 The money was just being passed to the casinos in Europe 571 00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,320 and then coming back into the banking system. 572 00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:29,040 So we knew that the money smelled. 573 00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,720 We could see that it was moving through channels 574 00:38:31,720 --> 00:38:33,360 in order to legitimise us, 575 00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:36,440 but we still couldn't link it back to crime. 576 00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,840 It was clear that the police needed new legislation 577 00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:45,880 to deal with the proceeds of crime. 578 00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:51,840 And Veronica Guerin at the time was turning a light on all of this. 579 00:38:52,720 --> 00:38:58,600 The extent of the crime in Dublin City particularly is just alarming. 580 00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:03,640 And the the inability of the Guards, because of the legislation, 581 00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:07,160 to really do anything about it is... 582 00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:09,800 is something that has to be publicised. 583 00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:13,760 When we do it, we're effectively bringing pressure onto the criminals 584 00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:15,800 and they just don't like it. 585 00:39:38,240 --> 00:39:40,520 Would you hurry up, ya slow cunt. 586 00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:42,560 Let's get it done. 587 00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,560 I was in the office of the Sunday Independent 588 00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:12,440 and the news editor called from the desk and said, 589 00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:14,840 "I'm putting Veronica onto you." 590 00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:18,200 - No, no, I bet. That's great. - I knew she had been up in court, 591 00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:22,800 answering, unsurprisingly, a gaggle of speeding fines, 592 00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:27,080 and she was fairly sure that they might take her licence away. 593 00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:34,600 Yeah, the hearing went OK. I didn't get banned. 594 00:40:39,240 --> 00:40:43,040 She was returning to Dublin and we said we'd see her for a coffee. 595 00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:44,880 OK, bye. 596 00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:23,880 I went out to lunch and I was returning to the office to meet her, 597 00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:26,160 but I saw a crowd around the newsstand. 598 00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:28,240 And there was just a headline on it. 599 00:41:28,240 --> 00:41:30,440 And it had "Veronica Guerin shot dead". 600 00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:32,880 So I think I just went numb. 601 00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:36,840 Veronica Guerin was shot to death 602 00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:39,840 on the dual carriageway on the outskirts of Dublin, 603 00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:41,920 a murder believed to have been commissioned 604 00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,560 by a major Dublin criminal and carried out 605 00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:46,480 by two gunmen on a motorcycle. 606 00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:51,920 I remember poor Lise Hand screaming in anguish. 607 00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:56,880 Nobody could believe that this... could happen. 608 00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:04,080 It was a watershed moment in kind of Irish life. 609 00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:08,720 It was the murder of a young mother and a journalist, 610 00:42:08,720 --> 00:42:14,400 but it was also a direct challenge to civil society and to the state 611 00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,720 "One o'clock exactly, work stopped at factories, shops, 612 00:42:21,720 --> 00:42:23,840 offices and on the streets. 613 00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:28,360 Gardia of all ranks also stood in silence, 614 00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:31,440 as did officials in banking houses around the country. 615 00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:36,800 The saddest place was Independent House in Dublin." 616 00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:47,560 We lost our innocence, I think, to a certain extent that day. 617 00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:51,760 The sort of rosy image we had that Ireland was all good and all safe 618 00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:56,080 and not that many bad people lived here, you know, it was shattered. 619 00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:02,440 We kinda went from being naive to, "This shit's real." 620 00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:06,920 This is really real. Someone like Veronica Guerin 621 00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:09,080 is... disposable. 622 00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:14,400 That's the front page the Sunday after Veronica was assassinated. 623 00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:16,680 Her young son looking into the grave. 624 00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:19,160 He was only six years of age at the time. 625 00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:20,880 And then at the top here's, 626 00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:24,600 "John Gilligan admits: 'I'm the prime suspect.' 627 00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,360 Turn to pages four and five. 628 00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:30,040 Face to face with Factory John. 'I didn't do it,' 629 00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:32,440 he tells our crime reporter." 630 00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:37,840 I think the politicians being exposed to that raw grief, 631 00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:42,240 they just realised what they did in the aftermath would be remembered. 632 00:43:43,720 --> 00:43:49,800 - Nobody is untouchable. - And let us freeze the assets of the drug barons 633 00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:51,840 who are known to us all. 634 00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,280 The authorities realised that they needed 635 00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:58,440 to hit the criminal fraternity where it hurt the most, 636 00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:01,920 that's by taking away the proceeds of crime. 637 00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:06,160 And that led to the establishment of the Criminal Assets Bureau. 638 00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:12,760 We came together and worked with the Minister for Justice, 639 00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:15,800 and the burden of proof changed. 640 00:44:16,720 --> 00:44:19,960 So if there's no visible sign of income, 641 00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:21,600 then Criminal Assets Bureau 642 00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:24,320 were able to seize the properties and the money. 643 00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:28,080 And Jessbrook was one of the first cases that was taken to the courts 644 00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:30,480 and where the property was seized. 645 00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:34,760 Not only will we deprive you of your liberty... 646 00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:39,880 ...but we will also take all of your ill-gotten gains 647 00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:41,680 off of you for good. 648 00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:45,680 The people they couldn't get at before, they could now. 649 00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:48,040 If a criminal put an extension on his house, 650 00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:51,760 where did he get the money? Unexplainable? Take the house... 651 00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:55,120 ...the cars, the watches. Incredible. 652 00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:58,520 A guy with a Rolex one time was coming through the airport, 653 00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:01,120 they just, "Come here. Thank you." 654 00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:04,880 And that was it, like, 15 grand gone, you know. 655 00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:08,400 It made the opposition's team a lot stronger. 656 00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:13,760 It was like League of Ireland playing the Galacticos with Messi, 657 00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:16,920 and they brought back fucking Pele from the dead. 658 00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,600 They'd rush in brand new laws. 659 00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:22,920 More Guards, more cars. 660 00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:26,600 The Criminal Assets Bureau, 661 00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:29,640 which every criminal on the planet now has to deal with, 662 00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:33,120 because the Irish model is now every-fucking-where. 663 00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:42,560 Immediately after, some of the members of the Gilligan gang 664 00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:45,080 basically went on the run. Costa del Sol 665 00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:47,160 was their favourite spots, 666 00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:49,160 so we went after them. 667 00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:52,400 Unfortunately, we always seemed to be one step behind them, 668 00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:54,440 in one case missing 'em by hours. 669 00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:59,760 But they'd been in a nightclub and broke it up and legs of a deejay 670 00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:02,360 that wouldn't play their music or something ridiculous. 671 00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:03,760 They were that violent. 672 00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:07,000 And they were using the cocaine themselves at that stage? 673 00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:11,400 But eventually the Gilligan gang was arrested. 674 00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:19,600 This is John Gilligan being extradited back from the UK. 675 00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:22,760 They decided to leave their Belmarsh prison uniform on, 676 00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:24,960 mainly as sort of an embarrassment. 677 00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:29,880 He was charged with the murder of Veronica Guerin, 678 00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:34,120 and with drug importation, of which he initially got 28 years, 679 00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:36,160 which was reduced on appeal. 680 00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:40,000 But he was found not guilty of the murder of Veronica Guerin. 681 00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:48,920 Detectives investigating the murder of Veronica Guerin 682 00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:51,920 brought Meehan back to Dublin from the Netherlands. 683 00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:57,080 Brian Meehan was convicted of the murder of Veronica Guerin... 684 00:46:57,080 --> 00:47:01,400 for driving the bike... on that fatal day. 685 00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:07,280 In total, he has served 24 years in prison for the murder. 686 00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:11,280 No one... to this day has ever been convicted 687 00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:14,240 of actually pulling the trigger that killed Veronica. 688 00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:23,160 It'd be lovely to say, you know, 689 00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:26,400 this sad story does have a happy ending. All the criminals went away 690 00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:28,520 and never came back. 691 00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:31,640 Drugs all left the country. 692 00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:35,720 But, of course, you know, that never is going to happen. 693 00:47:35,720 --> 00:47:38,520 Where does all this end? 694 00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:40,560 It doesn't bleeding end. 695 00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:43,520 Coke, heroin, ecstasy, 696 00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:45,560 just pick your medicine. 697 00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:50,520 As long as people demand drugs... smugglers'll smuggle them... 698 00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:53,840 ...dealers'll deal them... 699 00:47:56,240 --> 00:47:58,640 ...and the Guards'll keep on investigating 700 00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:00,800 and arresting people. 701 00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:04,120 And it rolls on, business as usual. 702 00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:11,720 AccessibleCustomerService@sky.uk 56608

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