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MUSIC: 'You Spin Me Round'
by Dead Or Alive
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There was immense joy
when a record goes to number one.
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We knew, every five clays,
we had to churn out a hit.
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It was only a matter of
how did we make great pop music?
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Everything else
was secondary to that.
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As a team - magic.
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It's always clever,
it's always catchy.
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There was this smouldering genius
taking place.
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Over 100 top 40 hits
in a period of four or five years.
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I mean, nobody does that.
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MUSIC: 'Better The Devil You Know'
by Kylie Minogue
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It was classic pop.
It was uncompromised.
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That's what the '80s were, you know.
Stock Aitken Waterman defined it.
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I always look for the magic.
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There's some magic operating
in all hit songs.
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It was fun.
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It was super exciting. But they
were on a mission, big time.
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You were on the crest of a wave.
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The harder you work,
the luckier you get.
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MUSIC: 'Never Gonna Give You Up'
by Rick Astley
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It's a lot to have one hit,
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but to have
the whole of the top ten,
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that's just showing off, isn't it?
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Most people treated pop music
as trivial.
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It was more serious
than life and death to us.
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I knew the industry
was out to screw us.
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We had to fight all along.
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That it ended the way it did
was tragic.
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# I stand accused
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# Of love in the first degree. #
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I'd probably had enough
by that time, you know,
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probably sick to death
of each other.
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I really do believe
the three of them are geniuses.
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I think the records
still sound as good today
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as they did 30, 35 years ago.
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MUSIC: 'Step Back In Time'
by Kylie Minogue
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I'm just immensely proud
that I'm part of that legacy.
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It was a pretty wild ride.
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# When you can't find the music
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# To get down and boogie
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# All you can do is
Step back in time. #
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I don't see
anybody else's viewpoint,
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because I was driving a ship
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that was going in one direction
successfully.
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My job was to be absolutely focused
on delivering hits.
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Pete was like the, er,
the circus leader.
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Pete's larger than life.
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Anything was possible.
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Pete is the ideas man.
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Pete is Pete.
Pete Waterman is Pete Waterman,
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and he... he's a strong presence.
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He walks into the room,
and he's taken over for a minute.
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"Oh, I like that,
I like that, keep that."
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Ancl he'd be gone again, you know.
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He's calmed down and chilled out
an awful lot, I think,
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over the years, but back then,
he was like a box of fireworks.
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He's got what we call
a great ear for a pop song.
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Matt and Mike, I only ever
really saw them in the studio
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just getting on with it
and writing the songs.
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Matt is the kind of groove merchant.
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He's the guy that brings the,
you know,
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sometimes the kind of little
Nile Rodgers guitar elements in.
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I mean, Matt would get
on that guitar and you'd be like...
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As Jamaicans would say,
"Oh, where you come from?"
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You know?
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Matt was more just
kind of like the guy next door.
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Like, he'd be your...
that cool, laid back,
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but at the same time,
you knew he was about business.
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And so it was easy working with him
in the studio.
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Mike was the melody.
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A bit of a pop star
in his own right, but quiet with it.
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I mean, I watched Mike
disappear into a room for an hour
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and come back with a song.
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He's a fantastic keyboard player.
I love all the chords he uses.
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I think I had a bit of a crush
on Mike Stock, if I'm honest.
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Yeah, and I think he knew it,
if I'm honest.
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They all needed each other,
basically.
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So without either of them,
it doesn't work.
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You know what I mean?
Without Pete, it wouldn't work.
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Without Mike and Matt,
it wouldn't work.
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We achieved a lot together.
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Er... I don't think Mike and I,
certainly in the early days,
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wouldn't have done it without Pete.
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Pete achieved a lot, but he wouldn't
have done it without us,
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he couldn't have possibly done it
without us.
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They were more like artists
than writer/producers.
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The three of us grew up in an era
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where a single or an EP
was affordable,
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but an LP was a real expensive
thing.
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Singles was what we really
understood, and so we did singles.
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Welcome to the Hit Factory
in London.
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This is where a host of stars come
every week to make their records.
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Ancl for the last three years,
a record from this building
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has been in the top 40
every single week.
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Everything they touched
turned to gold.
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# Take or leave us
Only please believe us
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# We ain't ever gonna be
Respectable
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# Like us, hate us
But you'll never change us
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# We ain't ever gonna be
Respectable. #
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# If you walk away
You'll regret it someday
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# Please stay
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# I want you back
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# Don't care what I have to do
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# I want you back, back. #
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# She told me a secret
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# I promised that I'd keep it
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# Cross my heart and hope to die. #
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It was literally every record
they then produced, wrote, whatever,
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er, was a hit.
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Never Gonna Give You Up,
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that record is the absolute turning
point of everything in my life.
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I'm still unbelievably grateful
for it.
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I think more so now than I ever was
while it was being a hit
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and even for a few years after.
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But America's the big one.
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That's the one that usually,
for most British records,
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they go, "No, thanks."
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With the current countdown
to the number one hit in the USA,
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this is Rick Astley live,
Never Gonna Give You Up.
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# Never gonna tell a lie
And hurt you
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# Never gonna give you up
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# Never gonna let you down... #
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I mean, I know Rick Astley
took America by storm,
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and that was Rick's personality
and his vocal prowess.
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You know that
that record will be number one
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for three weeks, four weeks,
five weeks.
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It will start to die down
in the charts,
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so in eight weeks, you've got to be
looking for a new single.
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# Whenever you need somebody
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# I'll bring my love to you
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# You don't have to say you love me
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# I just wanna be with you
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# Whoa, whoa, whoa
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# I'll bring my love to you. #
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We, with Rick,
absolutely kept that ball spot on.
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Bang, bang, bang-
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# So don't stop me falling
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# It's destiny calling... #
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I used to remember some rhyme
when we were kids.
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Ancl I went into the office and said,
"Do you remember this,
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"when we used to say,
'Together forever'?"
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Ancl Sherie said,
"And never to part."
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I said, "That was it!"
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# Together forever and never to part
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# Together forever, we two. #
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I think having Together Forever
become number one in America as well
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after Never Gonna Give You Up
almost meant more to me
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because it meant, OK,
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they might not be throwing me
out the back door,
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it might not just be
a one-hit wonder, we've had two.
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We ended up selling
something like 12 million albums
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on the first album with Rick.
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Nobody in Britain was selling
12 million albums at that time.
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It was extraordinary.
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You were beginning to feel
they had that Midas touch
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and almost anything they did
had a chance of being a number one
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or a top five record.
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Suddenly, that changed
a lot of attitudes
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towards what the guys were doing.
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And it validated their song writing
and production abilities,
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without a doubt, with Rick Astley
and then Kylie Minogue.
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Wow, this is about to take off.
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# I should be so lucky... #
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I still had my day job, by the way.
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I was still, you know,
getting my scripts,
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learning my lines for Neighbours,
driving to work,
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and those early clays, it was...
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yeah, I guess
I still had to pinch myself
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that this was really happening.
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The interesting thing
on I Should Be So Lucky
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is that it was number one
in 16 countries,
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and only two of those countries
had run Neighbours.
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So it wasn't about the TV show,
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it was about Kylie Minogue's voice
on that incredible song.
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We're number one for five weeks
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and somebody says,
"What's the follow-up?"
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And I'm... And then it's,
"Mike, you gotta go to Melbourne!"
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So I went out to Australia,
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and I got another
couple of songs recorded.
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# I've got to be, got to be certain
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# I've got to be so sure
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# I've had my share
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# Of hearts broken
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# Ancl I don't wanna take that
Any more. #
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It was just hard work keeping up.
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"Here's the song,
here's the lyrics,
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"do it, quick,
move on to the next one."
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Ancl I really had to learn everything
on the job,
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which is pretty much
the story of my life.
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RICK ASTLEY: I've got masses
of respect for that woman.
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There's very, very, very few women
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who've managed to stick
to their guns and have the careers
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over the length of time
that they've had.
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Kylie was the perfect vehicle
for us.
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I suppose I'd been waiting
all my life for that to happen.
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I remember saying to Matt, "This is
gonna be a real purple patch for us,
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"because we can do any pop style
we want with Kylie
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"because she's just
the ideal perfect person."
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# I'm wondering why
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# I still love you
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#Je ne sais pas pourquoi... #
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She dances, she sings. She's lovely.
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#Je ne sais pas pourquoi. #
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That's all I've ever wanted in my
whole life as a professional writer
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or musician - give me
somebody like that, you know.
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I was just a kid figuring it out.
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Ancl I had amazing people
to propel me in that direction.
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There's a real collaboration there.
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She was absolutely right for us,
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and we were absolutely right for her
at that time.
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Knowing what I know now
about the music industry, that's...
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that was a pretty amazing run.
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Being a, er, a partner of Kylie's at
the time and watching her blossom,
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you know, from the girl that I knew
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into this sort of
international pop star,
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it made me sort of get off my arse
a little bit, if I'm honest,
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when I saw what Kylie was doing.
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They sort of just asked me, would
I be interested in a record deal?
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When he arrived and came into
my office for the first meeting,
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he had a ponytail
and he had the manner of a rocker.
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Australia was kind of
ten years behind Britain
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at that point in the '80s in music
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and they were very much into rock,
that was their culture.
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Jason, lovely lad.
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Er, fine tone,
very fine tone in his voice.
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And we had a track we'd recorded
with Rick
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that was gonna be Rick's
next number one.
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Er, in fact,
when we were working on it,
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we called it Rick's next number one,
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I think,
before we'd even got a title.
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So this was this buzz of excitement
that Rick was coming in
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to record Nothing Can Divide Us,
which was written for him.
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I really wish they'd written
Never Gonna Give You Up part two.
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I really, really do, believe me.
But they didn't.
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I saw Rick, you know,
coming down the stairs ashen faced
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just heading for the door.
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It was just at the point
when Rick was teetering on the edge
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and he didn't like it
and didn't want it to be finished.
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So we had this number one hit
sitting there
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with nobody singing it.
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And it was in Jason's key
and Jason sang it really well,
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and that was Nothing Can Divide Us,
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and that was the start
of his career.
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# You must have heard
Some things about me
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# That made you turn away
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# That made you have your doubts
About me. #
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How do we bring Jason up to date?
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We introduced him to stylists,
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we had a great team of stylists
as well.
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Ancl gradually, once he had his hair
cut and the clothes were fantastic,
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and he became a pop star.
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# You can put your faith in me
I would never set you free
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# Hold your head up high
And let everybody see
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# With love to guide us
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# Nothing can divide us. #
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I always knew what clothes
I wanted to wear
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and how I wanted to present myself,
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but when I cut my hair,
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things suddenly got really good
and really exciting.
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Scott! I'll thump you.
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I've only got half an hour
to fix the oil leak.
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All you have to say is yes
and then you can get on with it.
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I've heard that one before.
"Yes," what?
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Yes, I will.
"Yes, I will," what?
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Marry me?
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I was a bit dubious about recording
with Jason Donovan on his own,
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let alone as a duet.
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I was thinking, "Two soap stars?"
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I said,
"Oh, no, we're not doing a duet,
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"not with Kyl...
That would be too much."
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We were dead set against the idea
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of doing a duet
between the two of them.
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We thought it was naff.
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The demand from the trade,
the retailers and so on,
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particularly Woolworths,
was enormous.
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Everybody was demanding this record.
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It was just the right moment
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with the kind of mania
of Neighbours.
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Ancl Jason had started recording
and I'd...
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You know, we'd both had our success.
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Woolworths want to order
400,000 copies in advance.
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Oh, God. We've gotta do it, then.
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That is Mike Stock and Matt
and Pete at their best.
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That's where the team were.
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That's where the genius
of those guys came into play.
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I'd already been to Melbourne
to work with Kylie
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after I Should Be So Lucky,
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and then I'd gone out to Melbourne
to work with Jason
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to do his first album.
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My wife said,
"No, you're not going again,
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"tell one of the other two to go."
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So I recorded Especially For You
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with one of my girl singers
playing the Kylie part,
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and I played the Jason part.
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I recorded it, erm,
and Matt and Pete went,
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took the recording out to...
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I think they met them in Sydney
to record it.
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# Especially for you
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# I wanna tell you
I was feeling that way, too
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# And if dreams were wings
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# You know I would have
Flown to you
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# To be where you are
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# No matter how far... #
304
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And the record was designed
not to be a Christmas song
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because Pete always said,
"I want this record to be played
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"on Boxing Day and on New Year's Day
and into 1989."
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# Together
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# Together
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# I wanna show you
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# My heart is oh, so true
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# And all the love I have
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# Is especially for you. #
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KYLIE: Especially For You,
I'm always overwhelmed.
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It's more than a hit song
that people...
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still love.
It's... It's beyond that.
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It just avoids being too slushy.
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There's a lot of musical tension
in the track itself.
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Ancl a big part of that is the tempo,
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which is really achingly slow
for a four-on-the-floor beat,
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and it really shouldn't work, but it
just clings on by its fingertips.
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I'm thinking back to that
Top Of The Pops performance.
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I think we were quite nervous
about it.
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INDISTINCT
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All right, 9W5-
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Stage one.
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With gigantic great
cluster earrings or something.
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# Ancl all the love I have
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# ls especially for you... #
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AUDIENCE CHEERING
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JASON: No, I didn't have any idea
that the Especially For You spin
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would be so iconic.
332
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It is quite sort of cheesy in a way,
333
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but it's sort of
what the public wanted.
334
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The kind of slow coming together,
the lift, the swing.
335
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It's so naive,
but it became a thing.
336
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This connection between two people.
337
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And it was a connection
as characters and as people,
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as we were at the time,
you know, as partners.
339
00:17:31,660 --> 00:17:34,000
You know,
are they or aren't they together?
340
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And it sort of...
It's a love story.
341
00:17:36,980 --> 00:17:38,720
You know, it's a love story.
342
00:17:38,740 --> 00:17:40,120
We did go to number one with that,
343
00:17:40,140 --> 00:17:41,960
but we didn't get
the Christmas number one,
344
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it went in at number one
in the January.
345
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We were held off
by Mistletoe And Wine.
346
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Went on to sell, like, 950,000.
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I've forgiven Cliff for that
since then.
348
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# And now we're back together
349
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# Together
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# I wanna show... #
351
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When I perform that song,
people's nostalgia neurons
352
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are just firing everywhere.
353
00:18:03,660 --> 00:18:05,600
It was about the moment
and their childhood.
354
00:18:05,620 --> 00:18:09,560
Any time they see Jason and I
together,
355
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it's like, is this...
is this even happening?
356
00:18:13,020 --> 00:18:15,800
And then when we did the show
at the O2,
357
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I didn't realise they'd never
sung the song together live.
358
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Probably he and I are thinking
the same thing,
359
00:18:21,340 --> 00:18:25,160
"God, we're still here,
we're still doing this."
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00:18:25,180 --> 00:18:27,360
I thinkjason and I talked about it,
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and we were going,
"We'd better not muck this up."
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00:18:29,900 --> 00:18:32,760
You know, we weren't...
we weren't in our 20s any more,
363
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so we thought, we hope this works.
364
00:18:45,980 --> 00:18:48,240
I can't guarantee
we'll ever do it again.
365
00:18:49,540 --> 00:18:53,080
I don't think being a pop star...
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er, is a very natural thing
for anybody,
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but some people...
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some people manage to do it.
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Some people are born to do it,
perhaps.
370
00:19:01,140 --> 00:19:02,800
I don't think I was, really.
371
00:19:02,820 --> 00:19:06,240
Ancl Rick had been out promoting
all round the world on his own,
372
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other than with a tour manager.
373
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So we saw, pretty quickly,
a worn out artist.
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He'd come from the band.
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If you're in a band and you've
got that sort of a set-up,
376
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you've got your mates with you,
and you're having a good laugh,
377
00:19:20,020 --> 00:19:23,040
and you can wreck a few hotel rooms,
it makes it all worthwhile.
378
00:19:23,060 --> 00:19:25,720
Rick on his own, I think,
was a lonely business.
379
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Rick didn't want it.
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So at the height at all of this,
Rick just went,
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"No, no, I'm not doing it,
I don't want to do it."
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Cos he wasn't comfortable.
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RICK: I developed a fear of flying.
384
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I didn't want to go
and promote records.
385
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I didn't want to do any of it,
really.
386
00:19:56,100 --> 00:19:58,840
I was super lucky that I had
a massive amount of success
387
00:19:58,860 --> 00:20:00,640
in a very short space of time.
388
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Somebody gave me
a truckload of money for it,
389
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and I went, "OK, I'm done."
390
00:20:05,780 --> 00:20:08,240
Be careful what you can dream of.
391
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It... It takes a lot of work.
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It takes a lot of anxiety.
393
00:20:14,860 --> 00:20:18,360
You know, my mates were in Australia
surfing up and down the coast,
394
00:20:18,380 --> 00:20:23,200
and I was, you know, on a plane,
you know, working my arse off.
395
00:20:24,900 --> 00:20:27,600
We'd written this song,
Too Many Broken Hearts.
396
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He comes into England
on February 10th, we record it,
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we finish the record,
we shoot a video,
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and the song is number one
on March 10th.
399
00:20:37,220 --> 00:20:38,960
At the time we were doing
what we were doing,
400
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I think we were the only ones
in the world
401
00:20:40,580 --> 00:20:42,800
doing what we were doing
in the way we were doing it.
402
00:20:44,020 --> 00:20:46,280
You know,
that's how quickly we moved.
403
00:20:46,300 --> 00:20:48,880
But we could move
as an independent company.
404
00:20:48,900 --> 00:20:52,520
Er, it would take a year-and-a-half
now to try and do that.
405
00:20:52,540 --> 00:20:55,760
# Last night
You talked about leaving
406
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# I said I can't let you go. #
407
00:21:00,260 --> 00:21:03,320
And I'll never forget
when Pete heard the record,
408
00:21:03,340 --> 00:21:05,760
he went, "Kerching."
409
00:21:05,780 --> 00:21:09,000
I mean, Too Many Broken Hearts
was an amazing hit.
410
00:21:09,020 --> 00:21:10,480
I mean, that shocked us.
411
00:21:10,500 --> 00:21:13,560
I remember that week
it went to number one...
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He was in... On the Wednesday night,
he was in a series about Anzacs.
413
00:21:19,220 --> 00:21:21,680
Yeah, I got my hair actually cut
not for the music,
414
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I got my hair cut for a television
series called The Heroes.
415
00:21:25,580 --> 00:21:29,040
And I said to him, "Do me a favour,
Jase, tell me you die tonight."
416
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And he went, "I do."
I went, "Thank God for that."
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I said, "We'll sell double
the records on Saturday."
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Too Many Broken Hearts
sort of enabled me
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to create my own pop story,
420
00:21:40,580 --> 00:21:45,080
and it was the perfect song, er,
for the perfect time.
421
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I was looking different,
I was looking like a pop star.
422
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I was becoming my own person
423
00:21:51,140 --> 00:21:56,840
and I think Mike and Matt and Pete
gave me the best song
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to define me at that time.
425
00:22:01,100 --> 00:22:05,080
# Too many broken hearts
In the world
426
00:22:05,100 --> 00:22:09,080
# There's too many
Dreams can be broken in two
427
00:22:09,100 --> 00:22:12,440
# Too many broken hearts
In the world
428
00:22:12,460 --> 00:22:14,880
# So I won't
429
00:22:14,900 --> 00:22:17,360
# Give up the fight for you... #
430
00:22:17,380 --> 00:22:18,600
They just took off.
431
00:22:18,620 --> 00:22:21,520
I mean, really, really
ballistic a lly took off.
432
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# I don't wanna say goodbye
For the summer
433
00:22:28,260 --> 00:22:32,120
# Knowing the love we'll miss
434
00:22:32,140 --> 00:22:34,360
# Oh, let us make a pledge
435
00:22:34,380 --> 00:22:38,520
# To meet in September
436
00:22:39,700 --> 00:22:43,160
# And seal it with a kiss... #
437
00:22:43,180 --> 00:22:47,120
Kylie and Jason come out
on our own in-house PWL label.
438
00:22:47,140 --> 00:22:49,720
# Oh, every day
439
00:22:50,820 --> 00:22:54,400
# My love is stronger
440
00:22:54,420 --> 00:22:56,600
# And every day
441
00:22:56,620 --> 00:23:02,000
# In every way
I love you more
442
00:23:02,020 --> 00:23:03,320
# Oh, every day... #
443
00:23:03,340 --> 00:23:08,040
I think you can't now think
of yourself as a cottage industry.
444
00:23:08,060 --> 00:23:09,880
Over the years,
the more I went there,
445
00:23:09,900 --> 00:23:13,800
the more platinum and gold records
there seemed to be on the walls.
446
00:23:13,820 --> 00:23:19,280
At some point,
we were 28% of the whole market.
447
00:23:19,300 --> 00:23:22,400
# Put your hand on your heart
And tell me... #
448
00:23:22,420 --> 00:23:27,560
Being part of that era,
it's amazing.
449
00:23:27,580 --> 00:23:30,360
# Put your hand on your heart
And tell me
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00:23:30,380 --> 00:23:33,360
# That we're through, ooh
451
00:23:33,380 --> 00:23:35,160
# Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh'.!
452
00:23:35,180 --> 00:23:39,040
# Put your hand on your heart
Hand on your heart... #
453
00:23:39,060 --> 00:23:40,640
There was a time when I thought,
454
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"You know what,
the eyes and the ears
455
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"of the business
are on us right now.
456
00:23:45,380 --> 00:23:46,880
"They're waiting for our next move.
457
00:23:46,900 --> 00:23:48,840
"They want to see
what we're going to do next."
458
00:23:48,860 --> 00:23:50,400
And that's a great feeling.
459
00:23:50,420 --> 00:23:53,480
# If I had to do it all again
460
00:23:53,500 --> 00:23:58,160
# I wouldn't change a single thing
461
00:23:58,180 --> 00:24:01,360
# There's no questioning in my heart
462
00:24:01,380 --> 00:24:03,760
# When it comes to our love
463
00:24:03,780 --> 00:24:07,600
# I wouldn't change a thing... #
464
00:24:07,620 --> 00:24:11,600
It was a resentment from the
industry that was coming back at us,
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where they were trying
to keep us down.
466
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And it's hard to, you know,
over-emphasise how tough this was.
467
00:24:18,900 --> 00:24:22,360
# You don't remember me
468
00:24:22,380 --> 00:24:25,800
# But I remember you
469
00:24:25,820 --> 00:24:27,960
# 'Twas not so long ago
470
00:24:29,220 --> 00:24:32,720
# You broke my heart in two
471
00:24:32,740 --> 00:24:38,200
# Tears on my pillow
Pain in my heart
472
00:24:38,220 --> 00:24:43,200
# Caused by you... #
473
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When you're talking about the 20,000
people employed by Sony or CBS,
474
00:24:48,140 --> 00:24:51,280
whoever they were at the time,
or Warner's or EMI,
475
00:24:51,300 --> 00:24:54,200
and the American bosses normally
were screaming down the phone,
476
00:24:54,220 --> 00:24:57,320
"Well, how come you're letting
these guys take your market share?
477
00:24:57,340 --> 00:24:59,960
"There's thousands of you,
and there's five of them.
478
00:24:59,980 --> 00:25:01,160
"What's going on?"
479
00:25:11,100 --> 00:25:15,080
I'm in LA,
at the California Hotel...
480
00:25:16,180 --> 00:25:19,200
...and Bruce,
who was Donna Summer's husband,
481
00:25:19,220 --> 00:25:21,200
comes over, he said,
"Pete, how are you?
482
00:25:21,220 --> 00:25:23,840
"Can I bring Donna over
to meet you?"
483
00:25:23,860 --> 00:25:26,000
Straightaway, she said,
"Could you write me a song?"
484
00:25:27,980 --> 00:25:31,080
And I said,
"Yeah, of course we can," you know.
485
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GARY DAVIES:
Donna Summer was just genius.
486
00:25:34,860 --> 00:25:37,280
Giorgio Moroder was the sound for me
for Donna Summer.
487
00:25:37,300 --> 00:25:41,000
I couldn't see how
Stock, Aitken and Waterman,
488
00:25:41,020 --> 00:25:42,960
what they would do with her sound.
489
00:25:42,980 --> 00:25:46,080
I grew up with the Moroder stuff.
490
00:25:46,100 --> 00:25:48,320
Actually, that stuff
was really influential
491
00:25:48,340 --> 00:25:51,600
on our early hi-NRG stuff,
you know, her '70s stuff.
492
00:25:51,620 --> 00:25:54,400
We thought it was incredible
that Donna was entertaining
493
00:25:54,420 --> 00:25:56,080
working with
Stock, Aitken and Waterman,
494
00:25:56,100 --> 00:25:57,560
and that was no disrespect to them.
495
00:25:57,580 --> 00:26:01,400
But, you know, it's a very kind of
European, English sound.
496
00:26:01,420 --> 00:26:03,200
Donna came from America.
497
00:26:03,220 --> 00:26:05,720
"What can we do with Donna?"
498
00:26:05,740 --> 00:26:07,760
And we've got a few other songs
ready to go,
499
00:26:07,780 --> 00:26:10,680
but I'm looking for something now
that you can make a statement with.
500
00:26:10,700 --> 00:26:13,120
I go to bed thinking about it.
I've got this idea in my head.
501
00:26:13,140 --> 00:26:15,640
I wake up, I go in the bath...
502
00:26:15,660 --> 00:26:18,520
and I'm getting
"This Time I Know It's For Real".
503
00:26:18,540 --> 00:26:21,400
I drive in the car to the studio.
504
00:26:21,420 --> 00:26:23,840
By that time,
I've sort of worked it out.
505
00:26:23,860 --> 00:26:26,280
There was a general hum
went round the building,
506
00:26:26,300 --> 00:26:29,240
and an atmosphere, you know, "Oh,
Donna Summer's coming in today."
507
00:26:29,260 --> 00:26:31,160
Ancl the whole building stops.
508
00:26:31,180 --> 00:26:33,680
So here's a singer that,
whatever you write,
509
00:26:33,700 --> 00:26:36,840
can perform it better
than you even dream about.
510
00:26:36,860 --> 00:26:42,000
MIMING: # I just wanna tell you
How I'm feeling
511
00:26:42,020 --> 00:26:44,440
# Gotta make you understand... #
512
00:26:44,460 --> 00:26:45,800
Donna comes in...
513
00:26:45,820 --> 00:26:48,840
I always have to sing the tune
to the singer, to the artist,
514
00:26:48,860 --> 00:26:51,080
because it's the first time
they've ever heard it.
515
00:26:51,100 --> 00:26:53,040
And she sings it back to me.
516
00:26:53,060 --> 00:26:58,200
VOCALISING
517
00:26:58,220 --> 00:27:02,280
And she sings it back,
with embellishment.
518
00:27:02,300 --> 00:27:05,640
# I'd be a fool
If I would let you know
519
00:27:05,660 --> 00:27:06,720
# Oh, baby
520
00:27:06,740 --> 00:27:10,160
# I couldn't keep it
Even if I knew... #
521
00:27:10,180 --> 00:27:13,160
Part of the deal with Donna was
that we were gonna write with her.
522
00:27:13,180 --> 00:27:15,160
"This Time I Know It's For Real"
is an Americanism.
523
00:27:15,180 --> 00:27:16,280
We'd never have used it.
524
00:27:16,300 --> 00:27:22,200
# This time
I know it's for real... #
525
00:27:22,220 --> 00:27:25,160
"Shout it out with a megaphone,"
or "a neon sign",
526
00:27:25,180 --> 00:27:26,880
those were her bits.
527
00:27:26,900 --> 00:27:31,640
# To say I love you with a neon sign
528
00:27:31,660 --> 00:27:36,080
# Anything to make you mine... #
529
00:27:36,100 --> 00:27:38,320
She just absolutely leathered
everything we gave her.
530
00:27:38,340 --> 00:27:40,520
She was absolutely fantastic.
What a voice.
531
00:27:40,540 --> 00:27:42,080
# If I wait too long for you
532
00:27:42,100 --> 00:27:43,720
# I might explode, oh, baby
533
00:27:43,740 --> 00:27:47,560
# I've been around the block enough
To know
534
00:27:47,580 --> 00:27:55,200
# This time
I know it's for real... #
535
00:27:55,220 --> 00:27:57,560
It's just a killer track.
536
00:27:57,580 --> 00:27:59,880
The fact she'd worked with
Stock, Aitken and Waterman,
537
00:27:59,900 --> 00:28:01,680
for us, it was like, "Wow!"
538
00:28:01,700 --> 00:28:03,440
Ancl by this time,
539
00:28:03,460 --> 00:28:06,520
we had the confidence
not to put too much on tape.
540
00:28:06,540 --> 00:28:10,200
So there's an economy on that track.
There's nothing that's, er...
541
00:28:10,220 --> 00:28:12,840
You know, there's no
"tik-a-tik-a-tik" going on.
542
00:28:12,860 --> 00:28:16,120
Donna Summer is different
from any other act we ever did.
543
00:28:16,140 --> 00:28:19,920
So we would do a single,
er, it would be a hit.
544
00:28:19,940 --> 00:28:23,000
We'd do a follow-up single,
and then if that was a hit,
545
00:28:23,020 --> 00:28:24,280
we'd do an album.
546
00:28:24,300 --> 00:28:28,200
She was with Geffen Records
in America.
547
00:28:28,220 --> 00:28:31,400
They didn't understand
that concept at all.
548
00:28:31,420 --> 00:28:33,560
It wasn't an option for them.
549
00:28:33,580 --> 00:28:35,720
So we had to do this album.
550
00:28:35,740 --> 00:28:37,640
She had some real strong beliefs
551
00:28:37,660 --> 00:28:41,360
about not singing songs
in the negative.
552
00:28:41,380 --> 00:28:43,360
I remember sitting her down and...
553
00:28:43,380 --> 00:28:45,720
Because it did get difficult,
554
00:28:45,740 --> 00:28:48,520
and I had to explain
that Shakespeare wrote about death,
555
00:28:48,540 --> 00:28:50,520
but he didn't actually die to do it.
556
00:28:50,540 --> 00:28:54,560
# I don't wanna get hurt
I don't wanna get hurt
557
00:28:54,580 --> 00:28:58,160
# I'm not looking for
just another heartache
558
00:28:58,180 --> 00:29:00,640
# I don't wanna get hurt
559
00:29:00,660 --> 00:29:05,880
# But I know it's a chance
I've got to take... #
560
00:29:05,900 --> 00:29:07,680
We'd made a few changes
to a couple of things,
561
00:29:07,700 --> 00:29:09,600
but she was absolutely delighted.
562
00:29:09,620 --> 00:29:11,480
She just went,
"This is exactly what I want."
563
00:29:11,500 --> 00:29:15,440
# Love's about to change
564
00:29:15,460 --> 00:29:17,880
# Love's about to change
565
00:29:17,900 --> 00:29:23,800
# Change, change my...
566
00:29:23,820 --> 00:29:31,820
# He-e-e-eart! #
567
00:29:31,940 --> 00:29:33,440
You get that with the best singers.
568
00:29:33,460 --> 00:29:35,200
I got it with Cliff,
with Paul McCartney.
569
00:29:35,220 --> 00:29:37,200
It was a great experience.
570
00:29:38,420 --> 00:29:41,360
# Love's about to change
571
00:29:41,380 --> 00:29:42,720
# Change
572
00:29:42,740 --> 00:29:45,920
# Love's about to change
Change... #
573
00:29:45,940 --> 00:29:51,200
I got home one night from a club,
and I put the telly on,
574
00:29:51,220 --> 00:29:54,840
and they were talking about politics
at two in the morning.
575
00:29:54,860 --> 00:29:57,480
I thought, "I've just come in,
I've had a few beers,
576
00:29:57,500 --> 00:30:00,520
"the last thing I wanna hear about,
bloody politics on the telly."
577
00:30:00,540 --> 00:30:03,200
So about three weeks later,
I'm with David Liddiment,
578
00:30:03,220 --> 00:30:06,480
who was the controller at Granada,
579
00:30:06,500 --> 00:30:10,720
and I said, "Christ, your station
is rubbish at one in the morning."
580
00:30:10,740 --> 00:30:12,480
He said,
"Well, what's your answer, then?"
581
00:30:12,500 --> 00:30:14,640
"Well, why don't they come in
from the club
582
00:30:14,660 --> 00:30:16,240
"and we start another club?"
583
00:30:16,260 --> 00:30:19,360
"Go on."
"Well, we put a club on live."
584
00:30:20,580 --> 00:30:22,480
This is the Hitman.
And this is Her.
585
00:30:22,500 --> 00:30:24,920
Ancl this is Shelley's Laser do me
in Stoke!
586
00:30:24,940 --> 00:30:26,240
Yes!
587
00:30:26,260 --> 00:30:28,320
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
588
00:30:28,340 --> 00:30:30,920
Loads of stuff,
all the usual sort of competitions,
589
00:30:30,940 --> 00:30:33,520
and also,
we've got some champion spinners in.
590
00:30:33,540 --> 00:30:35,840
They're probably an awful lot better
than I am. Oh!
591
00:30:35,860 --> 00:30:37,320
Oh'.
Whoa'.!
592
00:30:37,340 --> 00:30:40,720
Terrible. Bloody awful program me.
Awful idea.
593
00:30:40,740 --> 00:30:43,120
People remember me
more for The Hitman And Her
594
00:30:43,140 --> 00:30:44,520
than they do for anything else.
595
00:30:44,540 --> 00:30:46,160
I knew that The Hitman And Her
596
00:30:46,180 --> 00:30:48,800
was important
to Stock Aitken Waterman,
597
00:30:48,820 --> 00:30:51,640
cos it kept us in that
night-time club audience
598
00:30:51,660 --> 00:30:54,960
when the club scene
was changing dramatically.
599
00:30:54,980 --> 00:30:57,720
And the only way to stay in that
600
00:30:57,740 --> 00:31:03,040
was to have a brand
that stayed there alongside it all.
601
00:31:06,340 --> 00:31:10,120
The Hitman And Her created so much
grief within the partnership.
602
00:31:10,140 --> 00:31:14,320
I think he was on
twin trajectories, yeah.
603
00:31:14,340 --> 00:31:16,560
Possibly. Definitely.
604
00:31:16,580 --> 00:31:18,760
I mean, maybe we all were
to a certain extent,
605
00:31:18,780 --> 00:31:22,280
but Mike and I didn't go and do
a bloody radio show or a TV show,
606
00:31:22,300 --> 00:31:24,640
because we were knackered
by the end of the week.
607
00:31:24,660 --> 00:31:26,640
I did the pilot for that.
608
00:31:26,660 --> 00:31:27,840
# Turn it
609
00:31:27,860 --> 00:31:32,000
into love. #
610
00:31:33,780 --> 00:31:37,360
As one of The Hit man's artists,
whenever we released a song,
611
00:31:37,380 --> 00:31:41,760
we'd be invited to perform at one of
The Hitman venues or locations.
612
00:31:43,620 --> 00:31:45,560
I think I did it three times,
613
00:31:45,580 --> 00:31:49,040
and, erm, yeah,
it was just bonkers, wasn't it?
614
00:31:49,060 --> 00:31:51,640
Before you go, just get a quick
round in. Get a quick round in.
615
00:31:51,660 --> 00:31:54,040
Go on, HazelL I'm gonna go
and sing a few songs now, Pete.
616
00:31:54,060 --> 00:31:55,720
Who's leaving who?
That's the very one.
617
00:31:55,740 --> 00:31:57,880
Hazell Dean, ladies and gentlemen!
618
00:31:57,900 --> 00:32:00,880
We did Who's Leaving Who in 1988,
619
00:32:00,900 --> 00:32:03,720
and that sort of
turned it all over again.
620
00:32:03,740 --> 00:32:05,520
Massive. It was a great song.
621
00:32:05,540 --> 00:32:07,840
# I'm just trying
622
00:32:07,860 --> 00:32:11,240
# Cos I don't even know
623
00:32:11,260 --> 00:32:13,440
# Who's leaving who?
624
00:32:13,460 --> 00:32:16,280
# Is it me?
# Is it me? #
625
00:32:16,300 --> 00:32:19,520
There was something about
Stock Aitken Waterman.
626
00:32:19,540 --> 00:32:22,360
You wanted to be
a part of their gang, you know.
627
00:32:22,380 --> 00:32:24,560
They were creating magic, you know,
628
00:32:24,580 --> 00:32:26,760
that was reverberating
around the world.
629
00:32:26,780 --> 00:32:29,280
You'd hear records and you'd go,
"They've nicked that off us!"
630
00:32:29,300 --> 00:32:30,480
HE CHUCKLES
631
00:32:30,500 --> 00:32:33,520
So it proved
you were having a reach.
632
00:32:33,540 --> 00:32:37,200
They were creating this little slice
of three-and-a-half minutes
633
00:32:37,220 --> 00:32:40,800
that made everyone feel
fucking great, you know.
634
00:32:40,820 --> 00:32:43,000
If we had Jason Donovan
on a roadshow,
635
00:32:43,020 --> 00:32:46,840
I mean,
we would triple up on security.
636
00:32:48,140 --> 00:32:51,280
It was just pandemonia.
637
00:32:51,300 --> 00:32:54,560
These were things that had
never happened since The Beatles,
638
00:32:54,580 --> 00:32:57,480
in truth,
and everywhere that they went,
639
00:32:57,500 --> 00:32:59,400
it was just mayhem.
640
00:32:59,420 --> 00:33:02,160
Now onto the stage,
you've waited long enough -
641
00:33:02,180 --> 00:33:04,000
Jason Donovan!
642
00:33:04,020 --> 00:33:06,000
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
643
00:33:07,980 --> 00:33:10,840
Thank you.
Welcome.
644
00:33:10,860 --> 00:33:13,840
Oh, there is a few people
here today, isn't there?
645
00:33:15,180 --> 00:33:19,400
I didn't feel sexualised
in any way, shape or form.
646
00:33:19,420 --> 00:33:22,680
I was very much in control
of my image. Always have been.
647
00:33:22,700 --> 00:33:24,880
It's the one thing
I knew a lot about.
648
00:33:24,900 --> 00:33:27,840
# Too many broken hearts
In the world
649
00:33:27,860 --> 00:33:32,200
# There's too many
Dreams can be broken in two
650
00:33:32,220 --> 00:33:35,720
# Too many broken hearts
In the world
651
00:33:35,740 --> 00:33:40,520
# So I won't give up the fight
For you. #
652
00:33:40,540 --> 00:33:43,120
There was these two girls
called Donna and Anne-Marie,
653
00:33:43,140 --> 00:33:47,760
who were, like, the Jason fans,
and they literally had pen all over,
654
00:33:47,780 --> 00:33:50,760
like, "Jason" written
that many times all over their face.
655
00:33:50,780 --> 00:33:52,120
And they got backstage,
656
00:33:52,140 --> 00:33:54,800
and they both had bottles
with Jason's name on it.
657
00:33:54,820 --> 00:33:56,760
Ancl they sat down,
they couldn't speak,
658
00:33:56,780 --> 00:33:59,200
they were crying,
they both had these empty bottles.
659
00:33:59,220 --> 00:34:01,040
And he was like,
"What are these bottles for?"
660
00:34:01,060 --> 00:34:03,960
Ancl they were like, "Could you
breathe into the bottles?"
661
00:34:03,980 --> 00:34:05,600
The Jason bottled breath thing...
662
00:34:05,620 --> 00:34:10,360
So, Jason undoes the top
and he breathes into the bottle
663
00:34:10,380 --> 00:34:13,960
and quickly put the top back on
so they could keep his breath.
664
00:34:13,980 --> 00:34:16,160
That's when it got sorta silly.
665
00:34:16,180 --> 00:34:19,200
It was phenomenal.
It was absolutely phenomenal.
666
00:34:19,220 --> 00:34:24,400
Ancl you realise at this point
what you had achieved
667
00:34:24,420 --> 00:34:26,120
in the eyes of the public.
668
00:34:26,140 --> 00:34:29,440
I wrote a letter to Pete, saying
I wanted to be a record producer.
669
00:34:29,460 --> 00:34:31,400
Surprisingly, he wrote back to me.
670
00:34:31,420 --> 00:34:35,640
I am like a big sponge.
I soak up information.
671
00:34:35,660 --> 00:34:40,960
Ancl so when I got any letters,
I responded,
672
00:34:40,980 --> 00:34:44,960
on the grounds that one of 'em
might know something I don't know.
673
00:34:44,980 --> 00:34:49,240
Ancl I was DJ at the time, Saturday
mornings on Radio City in Liverpool.
674
00:34:49,260 --> 00:34:53,520
Of course, I went down to meet Pete
as soon as he started the show.
675
00:34:53,540 --> 00:34:55,320
He would stand outside
the radio station.
676
00:34:55,340 --> 00:34:57,920
He would talk to the kids.
He would ask them what they wanted.
677
00:34:57,940 --> 00:35:01,960
Tony Wilson once said
I had the best A&R department
678
00:35:01,980 --> 00:35:03,800
in playgrounds in the world.
679
00:35:03,820 --> 00:35:06,960
Ancl he's right, cos kids
knew everything we were doing.
680
00:35:06,980 --> 00:35:09,360
Every Saturday,
we would go to the radio station.
681
00:35:09,380 --> 00:35:12,280
We would wait for Pete to arrive.
He'd drive up in his big red GTO,
682
00:35:12,300 --> 00:35:15,720
and there was always a girl outside,
long red hair
683
00:35:15,740 --> 00:35:17,920
and she would pass him a tape
every week.
684
00:35:17,940 --> 00:35:22,240
"Pete, Pete, listen, it's me.
I'm Sonia. Sonia Evans.
685
00:35:22,260 --> 00:35:25,200
"Please, please,
you've got to listen to my voice."
686
00:35:25,220 --> 00:35:27,120
Eventually,
he did listen to the tape.
687
00:35:27,140 --> 00:35:28,720
He said,
"I'll tell you what, then, kid,
688
00:35:28,740 --> 00:35:32,360
"come next Saturday on my radio show
and let's see what you got."
689
00:35:32,380 --> 00:35:35,360
Sonia performed live,
and I think that was him
690
00:35:35,380 --> 00:35:37,800
testing to see
what the audience reaction would be.
691
00:35:37,820 --> 00:35:39,960
And then the switchboards
were going like crazy.
692
00:35:39,980 --> 00:35:41,120
"Who's that girl?"
693
00:35:41,140 --> 00:35:45,520
And he said, "You're in luck, kid.
Would you like to sign with us?"
694
00:35:45,540 --> 00:35:47,080
And I was like, "Whoa!"
695
00:35:47,100 --> 00:35:51,400
We were in our peak period of just
being able to write to order.
696
00:35:51,420 --> 00:35:55,640
My big song came from
talking to Matt, Mike and Matt,
697
00:35:55,660 --> 00:35:58,760
and it must've took
probably about 40 minutes.
698
00:35:58,780 --> 00:36:00,520
And her voice was great,
and she's got...
699
00:36:00,540 --> 00:36:03,080
But she was rushing ahead
all the time.
700
00:36:03,100 --> 00:36:06,560
And that was just,
I think, adrenaline
701
00:36:06,580 --> 00:36:09,040
and enjoyment and enthusiasm.
702
00:36:09,060 --> 00:36:12,480
And I was trying to get her to,
"Hold back, Sonia, hold back."
703
00:36:12,500 --> 00:36:15,920
The next thing I knew, you know,
I'm on Top Of The Pops, number one.
704
00:36:15,940 --> 00:36:18,360
# You could really love me
705
00:36:18,380 --> 00:36:20,520
# You could really need me
706
00:36:20,540 --> 00:36:24,000
# Maybe you could change your mind
707
00:36:24,020 --> 00:36:28,240
# But you'll never stop me
From loving you
708
00:36:28,260 --> 00:36:32,000
# It doesn't really matter
What you put me through
709
00:36:32,020 --> 00:36:34,040
# You'll never stop
710
00:36:34,060 --> 00:36:38,360
# Me from loving you. #
711
00:36:38,380 --> 00:36:41,040
I was the first female artist
712
00:36:41,060 --> 00:36:44,240
to have five top 20 singles
from one album.
713
00:36:44,260 --> 00:36:46,040
I was absolutely chuffed with that.
714
00:36:46,060 --> 00:36:49,560
It was just hit after hit, really,
just one after the other.
715
00:36:49,580 --> 00:36:51,960
Being 18 years old...
716
00:36:51,980 --> 00:36:55,680
Oh, wow, singing those love...
brilliant songs,
717
00:36:55,700 --> 00:36:59,400
meeting the people that I met,
all the places I went to.
718
00:36:59,420 --> 00:37:01,200
# just listen to your heart
719
00:37:01,220 --> 00:37:03,240
# That's what they say
720
00:37:03,260 --> 00:37:06,920
# Listen to your heart
You'll be OK
721
00:37:06,940 --> 00:37:08,880
# Listen to your heart
722
00:37:10,940 --> 00:37:14,120
# Listen to your heart. #
723
00:37:14,140 --> 00:37:16,760
I thank Pete
from the bottom of my heart.
724
00:37:16,780 --> 00:37:23,440
I was like a 30-year-old guy
making records for kids of 15 to 17.
725
00:37:23,460 --> 00:37:26,920
I can't possibly be in tune
with what they are.
726
00:37:26,940 --> 00:37:30,240
But by listening to them
and working with them,
727
00:37:30,260 --> 00:37:31,880
that's how you pick it up.
728
00:37:31,900 --> 00:37:35,600
Pete said, you know, "Come down and
visit us in the studio in London,"
729
00:37:35,620 --> 00:37:37,320
probably, you know, just being nice.
730
00:37:37,340 --> 00:37:39,520
I think we just arrived one clay,
and he was kind of like,
731
00:37:39,540 --> 00:37:40,960
"What, what are you doing here?"
732
00:37:40,980 --> 00:37:43,000
Like, you know,
these three kids from Liverpool.
733
00:37:43,020 --> 00:37:46,600
It was at the time when Kylie was
there recording her second album,
734
00:37:46,620 --> 00:37:49,000
and Jason was recording
his first album.
735
00:37:49,020 --> 00:37:50,760
Of course, they were an item -
736
00:37:50,780 --> 00:37:52,760
the much-rumoured
Kylie and Jason stories.
737
00:37:52,780 --> 00:37:56,120
You'd see them kissing in reception,
and it was a bit like...
738
00:37:56,140 --> 00:37:59,320
So she was the biggest pop star
in the UK at this time,
739
00:37:59,340 --> 00:38:02,000
and we were kids, and she was just
sitting in reception with us,
740
00:38:02,020 --> 00:38:05,160
hanging around, I guess, waiting
to be called back into the studio.
741
00:38:05,180 --> 00:38:06,920
Ancl we'd sit and chat with her.
742
00:38:06,940 --> 00:38:11,360
I guess you couldn't
get your fix of your pop stars
743
00:38:11,380 --> 00:38:14,280
or celebrities on social media
and that kind of thing then.
744
00:38:14,300 --> 00:38:18,080
You'd just...
They would trek to the Vine Yard
745
00:38:18,100 --> 00:38:20,680
and hope to glimpse someone.
746
00:38:20,700 --> 00:38:23,720
We did Stock Aitken Waterman tours,
747
00:38:23,740 --> 00:38:27,120
where we would have tour buses that
would take us around the country,
748
00:38:27,140 --> 00:38:31,880
and we'd do afternoon discos to kids
when they got out of school.
749
00:38:31,900 --> 00:38:34,200
As successful as they got,
750
00:38:34,220 --> 00:38:37,600
they still used to go to
this little cafe around the corner.
751
00:38:37,620 --> 00:38:40,160
They would go to the pub
every night,
752
00:38:40,180 --> 00:38:44,640
even though, at that point,
they were, without question,
753
00:38:44,660 --> 00:38:48,480
the most important people
in the music business in the world.
754
00:38:48,500 --> 00:38:52,320
# I guess you could say that
I'm a fool
755
00:38:52,340 --> 00:38:55,760
# To want you so badly
So badly.
756
00:38:55,780 --> 00:38:59,320
# But I'll never give up hoping
757
00:38:59,340 --> 00:39:00,840
# Till I make you mine
758
00:39:00,860 --> 00:39:02,760
# Whoa, oh, oh. #
759
00:39:02,780 --> 00:39:06,560
It was just an incredible time.
Lots of money coming in.
760
00:39:06,580 --> 00:39:07,920
And it became more hated.
761
00:39:07,940 --> 00:39:11,080
I mean, I think at one point,
Stock, Aitken and Waterman
762
00:39:11,100 --> 00:39:13,800
had seven or eight records
in the top ten in one week.
763
00:39:22,980 --> 00:39:27,360
Quite a lot of people
have talked to me about Big Fun,
764
00:39:27,380 --> 00:39:29,640
and they've been quite sneering
about it.
765
00:39:29,660 --> 00:39:33,840
# The minute I met you,
I couldn't forget you
766
00:39:33,860 --> 00:39:36,160
# I knew I was falling in love
767
00:39:37,700 --> 00:39:41,240
# Ever since then
To see you again was... #
768
00:39:41,260 --> 00:39:43,120
Pop is supposed to be fun.
769
00:39:43,140 --> 00:39:46,320
Some people think Big Fun
was a bit fun too far.
770
00:39:46,340 --> 00:39:48,320
# I have found emotions
771
00:39:48,340 --> 00:39:51,520
# Stronger than anything
772
00:39:51,540 --> 00:39:56,240
# I can't shake the feeling
# Feeling... #
773
00:39:56,260 --> 00:39:59,880
If I look back now,
and I look at the Big Fun period,
774
00:39:59,900 --> 00:40:03,800
I probably would not
have done Big Fun, OK,
775
00:40:03,820 --> 00:40:05,840
because it looked like
we were taking the mickey.
776
00:40:05,860 --> 00:40:08,760
It looked like we could take
three kids from the park
777
00:40:08,780 --> 00:40:10,160
and just turn them into hits.
778
00:40:10,180 --> 00:40:13,360
Now, as it happens,
they were probably the most popular
779
00:40:13,380 --> 00:40:15,360
out of all of the acts we had
on the Roadshow.
780
00:40:15,380 --> 00:40:18,240
Other, obviously,
than Kylie and Jason, and Sonia.
781
00:40:18,260 --> 00:40:20,520
Big Fun went down
better than anybody.
782
00:40:20,540 --> 00:40:24,720
In a way, Stock, Aitken and Waterman
really started what became
783
00:40:24,740 --> 00:40:26,760
the boy bands and X Factor,
784
00:40:26,780 --> 00:40:29,080
is you that can actually take
a front person
785
00:40:29,100 --> 00:40:34,440
and put a formula behind that person
and have commercial success.
786
00:40:34,460 --> 00:40:36,600
Sometimes, it lasts.
787
00:40:36,620 --> 00:40:39,600
Sometimes, it's very ephemeral.
788
00:40:39,620 --> 00:40:43,040
You know, we did make some stinkers.
There's no question about that.
789
00:40:43,060 --> 00:40:44,880
Some of them, you listen back,
and you think,
790
00:40:44,900 --> 00:40:46,360
"Oh, God, what were we thinking of?
791
00:40:46,380 --> 00:40:50,560
Or, "We weren't giving it full knobs
and whistles on that one, were we?
792
00:40:50,580 --> 00:40:52,360
"That was a bad week."
793
00:40:52,380 --> 00:40:56,320
# What happened to the radio?
794
00:40:56,340 --> 00:41:00,160
# They never play
The songs we know. #
795
00:41:00,180 --> 00:41:02,920
Some tracks, you heard them
and they'd just blow you away.
796
00:41:02,940 --> 00:41:05,320
# I was such a fool
797
00:41:05,340 --> 00:41:09,560
# To think that you would ever
Change your ways. #
798
00:41:09,580 --> 00:41:12,200
We made a terrific album with some
of the best songs we've ever written
799
00:41:12,220 --> 00:41:13,440
with Lonnie Gordon.
800
00:41:13,460 --> 00:41:17,680
But Lonnie was probably
a little mature to be a pop star.
801
00:41:17,700 --> 00:41:19,520
It doesn't mean
they weren't great records.
802
00:41:19,540 --> 00:41:21,720
She's got a strong voice,
803
00:41:21,740 --> 00:41:24,600
and the song just caught some...
804
00:41:24,620 --> 00:41:25,800
another bit of magic.
805
00:41:25,820 --> 00:41:28,520
# I know I should have
Seen the light
806
00:41:28,540 --> 00:41:32,680
# But I just let your love
Go to my head
807
00:41:33,860 --> 00:41:36,280
# I've taken you back before
808
00:41:36,300 --> 00:41:38,600
# Cos you told me you've changed
809
00:41:38,620 --> 00:41:41,440
# Looked in my eyes and said
810
00:41:41,460 --> 00:41:43,600
# Believe me, then you
811
00:41:43,620 --> 00:41:47,000
# Broke my heart and deceived me
812
00:41:47,020 --> 00:41:50,640
# When you said
You'd never leave me
813
00:41:50,660 --> 00:41:54,320
# But it's happening
All over again. #
814
00:41:54,340 --> 00:41:55,800
In the very early '90s,
815
00:41:55,820 --> 00:41:59,520
it's not... not throwing an idea
that's too crazy here,
816
00:41:59,540 --> 00:42:01,240
but the world changed.
817
00:42:01,260 --> 00:42:02,680
Attitudes changed.
818
00:42:02,700 --> 00:42:04,480
I think with Kylie,
819
00:42:04,500 --> 00:42:08,080
she developed amazingly
as an artist.
820
00:42:08,100 --> 00:42:10,160
I wanted to get more involved.
821
00:42:10,180 --> 00:42:13,920
I wanted to do more
than turn up diligently,
822
00:42:13,940 --> 00:42:15,960
do the song, deliver the song.
823
00:42:15,980 --> 00:42:18,320
Pete said, "All right, kid,
824
00:42:18,340 --> 00:42:20,320
"what do you like,
what are you listening to?"
825
00:42:20,340 --> 00:42:23,320
MUSIC: 'Better The Devil You Know'
by Kylie Minogue
826
00:42:26,300 --> 00:42:29,600
By this stage, you know, starting
to get into club culture in London
827
00:42:29,620 --> 00:42:31,800
and all of that, and getting
a bit older and, you know,
828
00:42:31,820 --> 00:42:36,320
having a bit of a rebellious
late teens moment.
829
00:42:41,780 --> 00:42:44,000
She was saying all along
she wanted to do something
830
00:42:44,020 --> 00:42:46,680
a little less teenage-y,
more grown-up.
831
00:42:46,700 --> 00:42:48,280
So we were up for that.
832
00:42:48,300 --> 00:42:50,080
Yeah, music had changed a bit.
833
00:42:50,100 --> 00:42:52,560
Club music had become
very, very big.
834
00:42:52,580 --> 00:42:54,240
Kylie wanted to move on.
835
00:42:54,260 --> 00:42:58,320
# I'll forgive and forget
836
00:42:58,340 --> 00:43:02,840
# If you say you'll never go... #
837
00:43:02,860 --> 00:43:05,120
And I think
it's an amazing illustration
838
00:43:05,140 --> 00:43:09,080
of how Stock Aitken Waterman
could really tap into the zeitgeist
839
00:43:09,100 --> 00:43:12,720
of what was happening
and spin that to work for them.
840
00:43:12,740 --> 00:43:17,520
You know, you watched Kylie
evolve into, you know,
841
00:43:17,540 --> 00:43:21,240
Better The Devil You Know
and Step Back In Time,
842
00:43:21,260 --> 00:43:25,720
and you could see her maturity
and her, I guess, sexuality
843
00:43:25,740 --> 00:43:30,000
and change in her artistic
expression move along with that.
844
00:43:30,020 --> 00:43:31,520
# When you can't find the music
845
00:43:31,540 --> 00:43:33,720
# To get down and boogie
846
00:43:33,740 --> 00:43:37,200
# All you can do is
Step back in time. #
847
00:43:37,220 --> 00:43:42,240
We were right, at that time,
the hottest writing team there was,
848
00:43:42,260 --> 00:43:46,480
and we were right in that vein
of just writing Kylie hits
849
00:43:46,500 --> 00:43:48,640
as if they'd...
they were easy to write.
850
00:43:48,660 --> 00:43:49,720
# What do I have to do
851
00:43:49,740 --> 00:43:52,600
# To get it through to you
852
00:43:52,620 --> 00:43:56,280
# How can I prove that
I really love you, love you? #
853
00:43:56,300 --> 00:43:59,240
So we went back
to a more clubbier bass,
854
00:43:59,260 --> 00:44:01,840
and we went a little bit away
from pop-dance,
855
00:44:01,860 --> 00:44:03,680
a bit more back towards dance-pop.
856
00:44:05,660 --> 00:44:08,000
And, actually, on that album,
857
00:44:08,020 --> 00:44:10,200
there are quite a few
sort of techniques that we used
858
00:44:10,220 --> 00:44:12,720
that we hadn't used for a bit,
and it was nice to rediscover those.
859
00:44:12,740 --> 00:44:14,080
# Shocked by the power
860
00:44:14,100 --> 00:44:16,560
# Shocked
861
00:44:16,580 --> 00:44:20,200
# Shocked by the power of love
862
00:44:20,220 --> 00:44:24,440
# I was shocked
To my very foundations
863
00:44:24,460 --> 00:44:27,760
# Shocked by the power
Shocked by the power... #
864
00:44:27,780 --> 00:44:29,720
By the time Rhythm Of Love came,
865
00:44:29,740 --> 00:44:34,880
and we had those four songs
that were just like a, you know,
866
00:44:34,900 --> 00:44:39,120
poof-poof-poof-poof
of such a solid collection,
867
00:44:39,140 --> 00:44:44,480
I guess we had worked together long
enough to nail it at that stage.
868
00:44:44,500 --> 00:44:45,640
When I listen to them now,
869
00:44:45,660 --> 00:44:48,000
I think, "That's good,
that's got something about it,
870
00:44:48,020 --> 00:44:49,560
"and there's a magic
going on there."
871
00:44:49,580 --> 00:44:52,720
That whole album is just brilliant.
872
00:44:52,740 --> 00:44:54,320
It's brilliant.
873
00:44:54,340 --> 00:44:57,080
Even when I didn't have the, erm...
874
00:44:57,100 --> 00:45:01,320
the time constraint of getting
from Australia to London,
875
00:45:01,340 --> 00:45:05,320
having to work, and get back and go
straight to work at the other end,
876
00:45:05,340 --> 00:45:08,160
they still worked
at an incredible pace.
877
00:45:08,180 --> 00:45:11,160
I did four albums in four years,
and then a greatest hits.
878
00:45:11,180 --> 00:45:15,480
So we... we didn't waste any time.
879
00:45:15,500 --> 00:45:18,640
You know,
so when Kylie decided to leave home,
880
00:45:18,660 --> 00:45:21,240
because we were like her dads,
she left home.
881
00:45:21,260 --> 00:45:24,360
We never really replaced her
or Jason, really,
882
00:45:24,380 --> 00:45:28,240
with people who
had enough wind in their sails.
883
00:45:28,260 --> 00:45:31,520
They had a forward thrust
before we even worked with them.
884
00:45:31,540 --> 00:45:33,920
I love the Kylie records. I loved...
885
00:45:33,940 --> 00:45:36,080
Ancl we're still great friends
to this clay.
886
00:45:36,100 --> 00:45:38,760
It was just Kylie became too big.
887
00:45:38,780 --> 00:45:42,360
I know that sounds crazy
because of all the money we earnt,
888
00:45:42,380 --> 00:45:46,160
but when an artist
becomes so dominant,
889
00:45:46,180 --> 00:45:49,040
then you have to take the money,
you can't be creative.
890
00:45:59,020 --> 00:46:02,080
You'd got three lads that took
on the world and made a fortune.
891
00:46:02,100 --> 00:46:05,880
There wasn't any lawyers involved,
there wasn't any managers involved.
892
00:46:05,900 --> 00:46:08,760
Then people get involved
and it's always,
893
00:46:08,780 --> 00:46:10,960
"Well, why has he got this
and why has he got that?"
894
00:46:12,380 --> 00:46:17,160
If you go from '85 to... to '91,
that's it,
895
00:46:17,180 --> 00:46:19,840
you know, you know,
in terms of the big stuff.
896
00:46:19,860 --> 00:46:21,280
We ran out of space,
897
00:46:21,300 --> 00:46:24,080
so we did the only thing
that was possible, really,
898
00:46:24,100 --> 00:46:26,600
was to buy a building next door...
899
00:46:26,620 --> 00:46:30,440
and move the administration staff
into that.
900
00:46:30,460 --> 00:46:33,960
I went across to what had been
the accounts office,
901
00:46:33,980 --> 00:46:36,800
which used to have three people
in it,
902
00:46:36,820 --> 00:46:39,880
and I walked through the door,
and there were about...
903
00:46:39,900 --> 00:46:42,080
I don't know, 20-30 desks in there.
904
00:46:42,100 --> 00:46:44,840
Er... and I thought,
"Who the hell are all these people?"
905
00:46:44,860 --> 00:46:48,680
You know, this is not us.
This has become something else.
906
00:46:48,700 --> 00:46:51,160
We were just a recording studio,
and they were the office.
907
00:46:51,180 --> 00:46:52,600
Ancl whenever I'd go over there,
908
00:46:52,620 --> 00:46:54,800
it was like walking into a firm
of accountants.
909
00:46:54,820 --> 00:46:59,120
So that destroyed whatever...
alchemy was going on.
910
00:46:59,140 --> 00:47:02,160
That was ripped apart at that point.
911
00:47:02,180 --> 00:47:05,080
I screamed and shouted at Pete and
told him that that was happening.
912
00:47:05,100 --> 00:47:07,920
Er... I don't know.
913
00:47:07,940 --> 00:47:09,680
When we were just doing it
as a job of work
914
00:47:09,700 --> 00:47:12,560
and going in and doing what
we did best, it was brilliant.
915
00:47:12,580 --> 00:47:13,680
It was...
916
00:47:15,980 --> 00:47:19,000
If you made a million pound,
you made a million pound.
917
00:47:19,020 --> 00:47:21,160
If you lost a million pound,
you lost a million pound.
918
00:47:21,180 --> 00:47:23,480
That was, you know, the way it was.
919
00:47:23,500 --> 00:47:26,920
It wasn't until later
that everybody got accountants
920
00:47:26,940 --> 00:47:30,360
that started to plan it all out
that, to me, ruined it all.
921
00:47:30,380 --> 00:47:34,840
Pete's desire to get back
into the clubs, er...
922
00:47:34,860 --> 00:47:37,240
was overriding a lot of things.
923
00:47:37,260 --> 00:47:39,000
Pete's focus was elsewhere, I think.
924
00:47:39,020 --> 00:47:42,720
Started an offshoot label
called PWL Continental,
925
00:47:42,740 --> 00:47:46,320
er... with the idea of signing
more club records
926
00:47:46,340 --> 00:47:49,400
that weren't necessarily
made at the studio.
927
00:47:49,420 --> 00:47:51,720
And this was
a real bone of contention
928
00:47:51,740 --> 00:47:54,200
between Stock and Nike“
and Waterman.
929
00:47:54,220 --> 00:47:55,920
We didn't make the records.
930
00:47:55,940 --> 00:47:58,120
They weren't
Stock Aitken Waterman records.
931
00:47:58,140 --> 00:48:00,680
These were made by the Belgians
and the Dutch.
932
00:48:00,700 --> 00:48:02,880
We were fighting
our own company here.
933
00:48:02,900 --> 00:48:05,680
We had a label and we had a team,
934
00:48:05,700 --> 00:48:09,200
and we felt that if we put our
efforts into making a decent record,
935
00:48:09,220 --> 00:48:12,880
it gets released and gets promoted
and... and we have a hit.
936
00:48:12,900 --> 00:48:16,720
Towards the end of 1990,
that wasn't happening any more.
937
00:48:16,740 --> 00:48:18,200
Tracks that we were finishing
938
00:48:18,220 --> 00:48:20,560
were being remixed
by lots of other people,
939
00:48:20,580 --> 00:48:22,840
and versions were being released
940
00:48:22,860 --> 00:48:24,880
that were not really
what we'd intended.
941
00:48:24,900 --> 00:48:27,360
And then the standard
of the music drops.
942
00:48:27,380 --> 00:48:32,520
You know, commercially and
business-wise, it was a good move,
943
00:48:32,540 --> 00:48:35,640
and especially, you know,
massive hits with 2 Unlimited,
944
00:48:35,660 --> 00:48:37,960
but it had nothing to do
with the studio team.
945
00:48:37,980 --> 00:48:42,320
My thought at the time was that we
should take a break for a few months
946
00:48:42,340 --> 00:48:44,240
and just do something different.
947
00:48:44,260 --> 00:48:46,760
And then we should have been
in a position
948
00:48:46,780 --> 00:48:50,040
where we could be selective
about what we do.
949
00:48:50,060 --> 00:48:52,800
But I think there was a requirement
to keep the wheels turning,
950
00:48:52,820 --> 00:48:56,440
keep... keep the, you know,
the productivity going
951
00:48:56,460 --> 00:48:58,720
because there were...
I hate to say it,
952
00:48:58,740 --> 00:49:00,640
there was, you know,
there were mouths to feed,
953
00:49:00,660 --> 00:49:02,840
there were other people
that relied on us to do that.
954
00:49:02,860 --> 00:49:06,240
I've got 60 staff that need paying
every month.
955
00:49:06,260 --> 00:49:11,040
I was running a business.
That business was eating money.
956
00:49:11,060 --> 00:49:13,480
The fun that I had
was on keeping going,
957
00:49:13,500 --> 00:49:15,920
not standing back
and patting myself on the back.
958
00:49:15,940 --> 00:49:18,440
I never did that. I just kept going.
959
00:49:18,460 --> 00:49:23,560
But that was my drive and that was
my, erm... that was what I loved.
960
00:49:23,580 --> 00:49:27,480
That was it, working.
It was its own reward.
961
00:49:28,700 --> 00:49:32,680
But Mike and Matt had that
relationship between themselves.
962
00:49:32,700 --> 00:49:35,840
They'd been... Had that relationship
well before I ever met them.
963
00:49:35,860 --> 00:49:38,400
It could get testy at times,
you know?
964
00:49:38,420 --> 00:49:41,920
Ancl only Mike could handle that.
965
00:49:41,940 --> 00:49:45,680
I mean, him and Matt would fight,
and I mean fight.
966
00:49:45,700 --> 00:49:47,320
The nearest we ever came to blows
967
00:49:47,340 --> 00:49:49,600
was we were both walking up
to the bank for some reason,
968
00:49:49,620 --> 00:49:52,200
I don't know why,
and we'd fallen out about something,
969
00:49:52,220 --> 00:49:55,240
and he pushed me and I pushed him.
970
00:49:55,260 --> 00:49:59,680
And, er... and we both looked at
each other and thought, "Oh, for..."
971
00:49:59,700 --> 00:50:02,520
You know?
"No. Let's not go there."
972
00:50:02,540 --> 00:50:07,040
What happened, really,
Matt decided he'd had enough.
973
00:50:07,060 --> 00:50:09,600
I had a fallout with Mike,
which was very unusual.
974
00:50:09,620 --> 00:50:11,240
He was being a complete arse.
975
00:50:11,260 --> 00:50:14,080
And he'd been being a complete arse
for two or three hours,
976
00:50:14,100 --> 00:50:16,280
and I thought,
"Oh, I'm not staying around here."
977
00:50:16,300 --> 00:50:18,920
So I just got my tackle and drive...
I drove home.
978
00:50:18,940 --> 00:50:22,800
And I thought, "Well, what are you
doing here? What are you doing?"
979
00:50:22,820 --> 00:50:26,680
And I went, I remember,
I got to High gate, where I lived,
980
00:50:26,700 --> 00:50:29,720
and I went to The Prince Of Wales
and had a pint of beer.
981
00:50:29,740 --> 00:50:32,400
It was middle of the afternoon,
982
00:50:32,420 --> 00:50:35,480
and this word came into my head,
which was "disaffected".
983
00:50:35,500 --> 00:50:38,520
I knew that Matt and Mike
had had some sort of falling out.
984
00:50:38,540 --> 00:50:40,320
Ancl I never saw Matt again.
985
00:50:40,340 --> 00:50:42,520
MATT: I expected the phone to ring
at some point,
986
00:50:42,540 --> 00:50:44,720
but it didn't ring for two or three
days, and I thought,
987
00:50:44,740 --> 00:50:47,040
"Well, fine, if that's the way
you feel, fine, screw you."
988
00:50:48,540 --> 00:50:51,240
When we were fighting together
as a team, we had common enemies.
989
00:50:51,260 --> 00:50:53,120
We then start to fight
against ourselves.
990
00:50:53,140 --> 00:50:55,320
I'd probably had enough
by that time, you know.
991
00:50:57,100 --> 00:51:01,440
Probably sick to death
of each other, you know?
992
00:51:01,460 --> 00:51:03,480
And that was a shock to the company.
993
00:51:03,500 --> 00:51:05,680
As I say, we had
a lot of employees at that time.
994
00:51:05,700 --> 00:51:11,040
We were a machine that was built
to handle this kind of product.
995
00:51:11,060 --> 00:51:15,280
As far as I was concerned,
Matt had decided to go motor racing.
996
00:51:15,300 --> 00:51:17,840
And I'd just had my daughter,
and I had a family,
997
00:51:17,860 --> 00:51:19,280
and I had my motor racing.
998
00:51:19,300 --> 00:51:21,000
I had a few bob.
999
00:51:21,020 --> 00:51:23,480
Matt decides to leave.
1000
00:51:23,500 --> 00:51:25,800
I decide to carry on for a while.
1001
00:51:25,820 --> 00:51:28,800
We soldiered on. Er... we had hits.
1002
00:51:28,820 --> 00:51:32,720
Er... you know, we were still going.
1003
00:51:32,740 --> 00:51:36,400
"Without us making music,"
I was saying to myself,
1004
00:51:36,420 --> 00:51:38,240
"everyone's out of a job."
1005
00:51:38,260 --> 00:51:43,920
But that was what I stayed for,
so to keep it going for the others.
1006
00:51:43,940 --> 00:51:47,360
David Howells came to me and said,
"Mike, look, if it was possible,
1007
00:51:47,380 --> 00:51:50,000
"we should get another album
recorded with Kylie."
1008
00:51:50,020 --> 00:51:52,680
So I telephoned Kylie
and she agreed, you know,
1009
00:51:52,700 --> 00:51:56,120
that she would record another album,
and we'd co-write it.
1010
00:51:56,140 --> 00:51:58,440
And, you know,
we had quite a few hits from that.
1011
00:51:58,460 --> 00:52:01,480
Following that, everything dried up,
there was nothing else to do.
1012
00:52:01,500 --> 00:52:03,000
Kylie had finally left.
1013
00:52:03,020 --> 00:52:06,000
Ancl I found myself on my own,
fighting everybody.
1014
00:52:06,020 --> 00:52:08,520
It wasn't the same, you know?
Because Matt...
1015
00:52:09,660 --> 00:52:12,440
...in hindsight, added to Mike
1016
00:52:12,460 --> 00:52:16,400
something that all the rest
of the musicians we brought in
1017
00:52:16,420 --> 00:52:19,960
just couldn't replicate.
1018
00:52:19,980 --> 00:52:22,040
Mike is really easy-going.
1019
00:52:22,060 --> 00:52:24,880
Mike probably is the probably
the least high-strung
1020
00:52:24,900 --> 00:52:26,400
out of the bunch, you know?
1021
00:52:26,420 --> 00:52:28,840
I love Pete.
But Pete is... Pete is Pete.
1022
00:52:28,860 --> 00:52:31,840
Pete Waterman is Pete Waterman,
and he is going...
1023
00:52:31,860 --> 00:52:33,680
He's a strong presence.
1024
00:52:33,700 --> 00:52:35,840
But Mike was fun.
1025
00:52:35,860 --> 00:52:37,720
Lovely person, Sybil.
1026
00:52:37,740 --> 00:52:42,120
Erm... first of all,
I did a cover of The Love I Lost.
1027
00:52:42,140 --> 00:52:44,360
The beginning of The Love I Lost,
1028
00:52:44,380 --> 00:52:46,960
one of the things I think
what might have happened
1029
00:52:46,980 --> 00:52:51,200
is that I was probably just
singing it before the track came on,
1030
00:52:51,220 --> 00:52:55,720
and the decision was made
based on some of just me singing.
1031
00:52:55,740 --> 00:53:00,800
# I can remember planning
Building my whole world around you
1032
00:53:00,820 --> 00:53:02,960
# And I can remember hoping... #
1033
00:53:02,980 --> 00:53:04,240
it just made sense.
1034
00:53:04,260 --> 00:53:06,200
# And I can remember hoping
1035
00:53:07,860 --> 00:53:11,600
# That you and I
Could make it on through
1036
00:53:12,740 --> 00:53:15,440
# But something went wrong
1037
00:53:15,460 --> 00:53:20,680
# We loved each other
We just couldn't get along
1038
00:53:20,700 --> 00:53:22,920
# Take a good look at me
1039
00:53:22,940 --> 00:53:25,880
# I'm in misery, can't you see?
1040
00:53:25,900 --> 00:53:30,400
# The love I lost
The love, the love I lost
1041
00:53:30,420 --> 00:53:35,000
# Was a sweet love
It was a sweet love... #
1042
00:53:35,020 --> 00:53:38,840
As soon as we put it in the clubs,
it was, like... instant.
1043
00:53:38,860 --> 00:53:42,880
Probably the fastest hit we ever had
in that respect.
1044
00:53:42,900 --> 00:53:44,440
Because everybody knew Sybil.
1045
00:53:44,460 --> 00:53:48,120
So all the radio stations like Kiss
had all been supporting Sybil,
1046
00:53:48,140 --> 00:53:49,720
but they'd never had the big hit.
1047
00:53:49,740 --> 00:53:52,560
I was just actually
trying to get into my groove,
1048
00:53:52,580 --> 00:53:57,480
and I think that that's
how the idea was captured.
1049
00:53:57,500 --> 00:53:59,360
# I'm sorry to say
1050
00:54:01,020 --> 00:54:04,480
# You go your way
And I'll go my way
1051
00:54:04,500 --> 00:54:07,440
# It hurts deep inside
1052
00:54:07,460 --> 00:54:10,480
# The day we said goodbye
1053
00:54:10,500 --> 00:54:15,640
# But the love
The love, the love I lost
1054
00:54:15,660 --> 00:54:19,320
# Was a sweet love
It was a sweet love
1055
00:54:19,340 --> 00:54:20,840
# The love I lost... #
1056
00:54:20,860 --> 00:54:22,440
I think she was probably
in the studio
1057
00:54:22,460 --> 00:54:26,120
for about four-and-a-half minutes,
which is the length of the single.
1058
00:54:26,140 --> 00:54:29,120
Just, you know, that was the great
thing with Sybil, you know?
1059
00:54:29,140 --> 00:54:31,320
Singers like that just come in,
do the job.
1060
00:54:31,340 --> 00:54:34,400
I could sing a pop record,
but I could sing a R&B soul record
1061
00:54:34,420 --> 00:54:36,680
and I could sing
a souly-dance record.
1062
00:54:36,700 --> 00:54:40,400
Those elements made me a little bit
different, and set me apart.
1063
00:54:40,420 --> 00:54:43,200
# When I'm, when I'm good and ready
1064
00:54:43,220 --> 00:54:48,200
# I'll tell you when
I'll give my love to ya
1065
00:54:48,220 --> 00:54:51,840
# When I'm, when I'm good and ready
1066
00:54:51,860 --> 00:54:55,120
# When I'm good and ready... #
1067
00:54:55,140 --> 00:54:57,760
Ancl in the last year
I was working with Pete,
1068
00:54:57,780 --> 00:55:00,840
I did as much recording
and wrote as many songs,
1069
00:55:00,860 --> 00:55:03,480
but I think I only had
three records out.
1070
00:55:03,500 --> 00:55:07,240
We had some hits,
but they were on... outside labels.
1071
00:55:08,500 --> 00:55:11,880
Er, and all of the focus
of the company was moving into this,
1072
00:55:11,900 --> 00:55:14,920
"Bring records from here,
bring records from there."
1073
00:55:14,940 --> 00:55:16,640
Ancl what's the point
of having a writer,
1074
00:55:16,660 --> 00:55:18,320
what's the point
of having a producer,
1075
00:55:18,340 --> 00:55:20,520
what's the point
of having a studio if you do that?
1076
00:55:20,540 --> 00:55:26,360
Mike Stock decided he'd had enough,
and made the move by leaving.
1077
00:55:26,380 --> 00:55:28,720
I had a real break-up with Pete.
1078
00:55:28,740 --> 00:55:31,840
I really let fly,
1079
00:55:31,860 --> 00:55:36,360
because something as brilliant
as what we had
1080
00:55:36,380 --> 00:55:40,360
was being destroyed from the inside,
slowly, taken apart.
1081
00:55:40,380 --> 00:55:42,680
I just sat back and just said,
1082
00:55:42,700 --> 00:55:45,680
"I'll wait,
I'll let it all settle down
1083
00:55:45,700 --> 00:55:49,440
"and wait for it to come back
to me,"
1084
00:55:49,460 --> 00:55:51,160
which, of course, it always does
1085
00:55:51,180 --> 00:55:53,280
if you just sit there
and don't panic.
1086
00:56:05,140 --> 00:56:08,600
MIKE: Went round the corner,
bought a building, built a studio,
1087
00:56:08,620 --> 00:56:10,360
and got going again.
1088
00:56:10,380 --> 00:56:12,960
He rang me up one day, he said,
"Do you fancy making some records?"
1089
00:56:12,980 --> 00:56:14,560
I said, "Yeah, I'm not doing much."
1090
00:56:14,580 --> 00:56:18,080
We released Nicki French in the UK.
Had a hit over here.
1091
00:56:18,100 --> 00:56:20,280
Nicki French,
Total Eclipse Of The Heart,
1092
00:56:20,300 --> 00:56:21,800
got to number two in the States.
1093
00:56:21,820 --> 00:56:24,000
Kept off by Michael bloody Jackson.
1094
00:56:24,020 --> 00:56:25,880
# There's nothing I can do
1095
00:56:25,900 --> 00:56:31,080
# A total eclipse of the heart... #
1096
00:56:32,740 --> 00:56:34,520
We hooked up with Simon Cowell.
1097
00:56:34,540 --> 00:56:37,320
So, Simon said, "Mike, from now on,
1098
00:56:37,340 --> 00:56:39,720
"I'm only going to make number one
records with you."
1099
00:56:39,740 --> 00:56:42,320
Post, er...
Stock, Aitken and Waterman,
1100
00:56:42,340 --> 00:56:45,280
I had two actors signed
called Robson and Jerome.
1101
00:56:45,300 --> 00:56:48,000
They'd sung this song on a TV show.
1102
00:56:48,020 --> 00:56:51,440
Mike, fortunately, saw what I saw,
1103
00:56:51,460 --> 00:56:56,600
which was if we got these two guys
to actually record this song,
1104
00:56:56,620 --> 00:57:00,960
and, trust me, took a lot of calls
to persuade them.
1105
00:57:00,980 --> 00:57:05,440
And we got them in the studio,
and, Mike, thank God,
1106
00:57:05,460 --> 00:57:10,800
made that record Unchained Melody
for me, and it just went... crazy.
1107
00:57:10,820 --> 00:57:17,560
# I-I-I need your love
1108
00:57:17,580 --> 00:57:20,960
# Godspeed your love
1109
00:57:20,980 --> 00:57:24,680
# To-oo-oo-oo
1110
00:57:24,700 --> 00:57:30,360
# Me-ee-ee-ee... #
1111
00:57:38,260 --> 00:57:41,320
And so Matt and me, we do, er...
Unchained Melody,
1112
00:57:41,340 --> 00:57:44,320
and then three or four other singles
for that project.
1113
00:57:44,340 --> 00:57:46,080
Ancl they're massive.
1114
00:57:46,100 --> 00:57:49,000
Well, that's how I started to sell
millions and millions of records,
1115
00:57:49,020 --> 00:57:52,360
because I worked out
the power of television.
1116
00:57:52,380 --> 00:57:56,120
Simon was, and still is, to me,
1117
00:57:56,140 --> 00:58:00,320
the greatest dynamo
I've ever seen in my life.
1118
00:58:00,340 --> 00:58:02,000
I mean, Simon is focused,
1119
00:58:02,020 --> 00:58:05,600
and when he's focused,
he can walk through a wall.
1120
00:58:05,620 --> 00:58:10,440
I mean, what Pete did with Steps
was absolutely remarkable.
1121
00:58:10,460 --> 00:58:15,240
And he clearly took everything
that he'd learnt
1122
00:58:15,260 --> 00:58:18,080
during his
Stock, Aitken and Waterman days...
1123
00:58:18,100 --> 00:58:21,200
Because, you know, Steps,
when they started off, they were...
1124
00:58:21,220 --> 00:58:23,200
they were a line dance group.
1125
00:58:23,220 --> 00:58:25,800
Where can they go from here?
You know, that's it.
1126
00:58:25,820 --> 00:58:29,160
I met Tim and Vicky.
Ancl they were the managers.
1127
00:58:29,180 --> 00:58:33,400
Tim and Vicky had styled it on,
like, Mixed Spice,
1128
00:58:33,420 --> 00:58:36,880
so it was, like,
equivalent of Spice Girls.
1129
00:58:36,900 --> 00:58:40,040
I walked out and just said,
"No, it's ABBA on speed."
1130
00:58:40,060 --> 00:58:43,720
# Well, I'm one for sorrow
1131
00:58:43,740 --> 00:58:47,440
# Ain't it too, too bad? #
1132
00:58:47,460 --> 00:58:52,400
GARY DAVIES: He totally transformed
them into another pop phenomenon.
1133
00:58:54,340 --> 00:58:56,320
Ancl I knew exactly
where to take them,
1134
00:58:56,340 --> 00:58:59,720
and I knew that if I was...
1135
00:58:59,740 --> 00:59:02,160
absolutely ruthless...
1136
00:59:03,460 --> 00:59:07,760
...and guided where I wanted it
to go, it would work.
1137
00:59:07,780 --> 00:59:12,320
Package-wise, clothes-wise,
video-wise, presentation-wise,
1138
00:59:12,340 --> 00:59:14,120
they'd got it brilliant.
1139
00:59:14,140 --> 00:59:16,680
# Everybody, clap your hands
1140
00:59:16,700 --> 00:59:18,440
# Get on up and dance
1141
00:59:18,460 --> 00:59:21,720
# We're gonna stomp
All night now... #
1142
00:59:21,740 --> 00:59:22,920
It worked perfectly.
1143
00:59:22,940 --> 00:59:27,440
Then, of course, everybody starts
adding to it because it's so big.
1144
00:59:27,460 --> 00:59:29,640
I mean, they were so huge.
1145
00:59:29,660 --> 00:59:32,120
# We're gonna stomp
All night now... #
1146
00:59:32,140 --> 00:59:33,840
They'd go over
and they'd work for Disney,
1147
00:59:33,860 --> 00:59:35,720
and Disney'd want them to do this
and that and...
1148
00:59:36,980 --> 00:59:39,040
...I'm no longer in charge.
1149
00:59:39,060 --> 00:59:42,800
And, you know, I go, "Well, you know
what? I've been here before."
1150
00:59:42,820 --> 00:59:45,880
Don't get upset about it, move on.
1151
01:00:07,820 --> 01:00:12,360
Apart, it doesn't work.
Together, it's magic.
1152
01:00:22,460 --> 01:00:25,000
Stock. Aitken.
Waterman.
1153
01:00:28,660 --> 01:00:32,080
Oh, it's so different
around here now. It's posh now.
1154
01:00:32,100 --> 01:00:35,640
Got windows in it. It didn't have
windows in it when we were here.
1155
01:00:35,660 --> 01:00:40,080
Who'd have thought 30 years ago,
we'd be here making a documentary?
1156
01:00:40,100 --> 01:00:42,320
People do come here.
1157
01:00:42,340 --> 01:00:44,520
Do they?
Yeah. Fans.
1158
01:00:44,540 --> 01:00:46,840
To do what?
To get snaps.
1159
01:00:46,860 --> 01:00:49,600
Shall we get a blue plaque?
We've tried.
1160
01:00:49,620 --> 01:00:51,320
Nobody's interested.
1161
01:00:51,340 --> 01:00:56,240
The main studio was here,
on the first floor.
1162
01:00:56,260 --> 01:01:00,080
Matt, that can't be the, er...
control room, though, can it? Yes.
1163
01:01:00,100 --> 01:01:03,480
Yeah, that was, Mike. And that
is where the tape machines were.
1164
01:01:03,500 --> 01:01:05,680
Ancl this was our office here.
1165
01:01:05,700 --> 01:01:07,560
That was Pete's office.
That was my office.
1166
01:01:07,580 --> 01:01:10,520
That one there. Yeah.
So that's where I had my train set.
1167
01:01:23,660 --> 01:01:27,520
# N-N-N-N-Nothing can divide us
1168
01:01:27,540 --> 01:01:31,040
--- 455'
1169
01:01:31,060 --> 01:01:34,000
JASON DONOVAN: It's never just
one part, it's the sum of three
1170
01:01:34,020 --> 01:01:38,280
that made Stock, Aitken and Waterman
the success they were.
1171
01:01:38,300 --> 01:01:41,720
Well, I think they'll be forever
known for having a volume,
1172
01:01:41,740 --> 01:01:43,400
a body of work.
1173
01:01:43,420 --> 01:01:46,200
The Motown team of the '80s.
1174
01:01:46,220 --> 01:01:47,640
They wrote great pop songs.
1175
01:01:47,660 --> 01:01:53,000
Responsible for the biggest pop hits
of the second half of the '80s.
1176
01:01:53,020 --> 01:01:54,360
They were great songwriters.
1177
01:01:54,380 --> 01:01:55,960
All the hits they achieved,
1178
01:01:55,980 --> 01:01:59,480
all the wonderful artists
that they found,
1179
01:01:59,500 --> 01:02:01,640
and they really touched people.
1180
01:02:01,660 --> 01:02:05,040
They were true to who they were,
1181
01:02:05,060 --> 01:02:07,320
and they allowed me
to be true to who I was.
1182
01:02:07,340 --> 01:02:11,560
It was a beautiful vibe
because they allowed you to be,
1183
01:02:11,580 --> 01:02:14,280
and so, therefore,
they got the best.
1184
01:02:14,300 --> 01:02:16,800
I think they're
some of the greatest songwriters...
1185
01:02:16,820 --> 01:02:20,000
the world, and, without
a shadow of a doubt, Britain,
1186
01:02:20,020 --> 01:02:21,440
have ever produced.
1187
01:02:21,460 --> 01:02:24,520
Legendary. I'd say they...
1188
01:02:24,540 --> 01:02:28,280
they have earned their place
in music history.
1189
01:02:28,300 --> 01:02:30,360
The public, the people that matter,
1190
01:02:30,380 --> 01:02:32,880
they're the ones that bought them,
they've always felt that.
1191
01:02:32,900 --> 01:02:34,720
But I think,
in terms of the critics,
1192
01:02:34,740 --> 01:02:38,400
they're finally, 30 years later,
starting to look at those records
1193
01:02:38,420 --> 01:02:40,680
and give them the respect
that they deserve.
1194
01:02:44,100 --> 01:02:45,680
Well, cheers.
Cheers. Cheers.
1195
01:02:45,700 --> 01:02:47,800
After 30 years.
Or so.
1196
01:02:50,220 --> 01:02:52,760
As a musician, I'd started with pop,
1197
01:02:52,780 --> 01:02:56,480
and gone through heavy rock and
jazz rock and all of these things,
1198
01:02:56,500 --> 01:03:00,920
and ended up back where I started,
doing pop with these two.
1199
01:03:00,940 --> 01:03:02,160
What we did was new.
1200
01:03:03,260 --> 01:03:06,280
Everything you see today is because
of Stock, Aitken and Waterman.
1201
01:03:06,300 --> 01:03:09,240
You know,
we were just the three of us,
1202
01:03:09,260 --> 01:03:12,120
and we had, at one time,
probably two staff.
1203
01:03:12,140 --> 01:03:16,080
I'm only now realising what kind
of an effect it had, really.
1204
01:03:16,100 --> 01:03:19,120
They do sound good.
They absolutely do sound good.
1205
01:03:19,140 --> 01:03:22,680
But I love the fact
that people still like it.
1206
01:03:23,900 --> 01:03:28,080
# I should be so lucky
Lucky, lucky, lucky
1207
01:03:28,100 --> 01:03:30,920
# I should be so lucky in love... #
1208
01:03:30,940 --> 01:03:33,800
You do know it!
1209
01:03:33,820 --> 01:03:36,960
I definitely spent a number of years
1210
01:03:36,980 --> 01:03:39,920
in a little personal wrestle
with I Should Be So Lucky.
1211
01:03:39,940 --> 01:03:43,480
I did try and run away from it
for a while.
1212
01:03:43,500 --> 01:03:45,280
And then,
at a certain point in time,
1213
01:03:45,300 --> 01:03:47,680
I realised you can run,
but you can't hide.
1214
01:03:47,700 --> 01:03:52,080
# And I would come a-running
To give you all my loving... #
1215
01:03:52,100 --> 01:03:56,840
It kind of came full circle,
and it became cool to do it again.
1216
01:03:56,860 --> 01:03:59,320
And now I love singing those songs.
1217
01:03:59,340 --> 01:04:02,920
Might have gone through a stage
where it was really uncool,
1218
01:04:02,940 --> 01:04:05,840
but I think now it's eternally cool.
1219
01:04:05,860 --> 01:04:08,000
# Never gonna make you cry
1220
01:04:08,020 --> 01:04:10,400
# Never gonna say goodbye
1221
01:04:10,420 --> 01:04:14,640
# Never gonna tell a lie
And hurt you...
1222
01:04:14,660 --> 01:04:18,000
# We've known each other
For so long...
1223
01:04:18,020 --> 01:04:19,760
WILD CHEERING
1224
01:04:19,780 --> 01:04:23,840
# Your heart's been aching
But you're too shy to say it
1225
01:04:23,860 --> 01:04:28,080
# Inside, we both know
What's been going on
1226
01:04:28,100 --> 01:04:32,120
# We know the game
Ancl we're gonna play it... #
1227
01:04:32,140 --> 01:04:35,040
RICK ASTLEY:
I sang with her at Hyde Park,
1228
01:04:35,060 --> 01:04:37,600
and it's just a fun place to be.
1229
01:04:37,620 --> 01:04:39,400
# Don't tell me you're
Too blind to see
1230
01:04:39,420 --> 01:04:41,680
# Never gonna give you up
1231
01:04:41,700 --> 01:04:44,000
# Never gonna let you down
1232
01:04:44,020 --> 01:04:47,080
# Never gonna run around
And desert you... #
1233
01:04:47,100 --> 01:04:50,880
Even though we didn't all
go on tours together on a bus,
1234
01:04:50,900 --> 01:04:52,840
we are kind of...
1235
01:04:52,860 --> 01:04:54,680
connected.
1236
01:04:54,700 --> 01:04:56,880
# Give you up
1237
01:04:56,900 --> 01:05:00,520
# Never gonna give, never gonna give
# Give you up... #
1238
01:05:00,540 --> 01:05:02,760
Ancl the fact that Jason turns up.
1239
01:05:02,780 --> 01:05:04,800
Because, believe me,
he turned up on his bike.
1240
01:05:04,820 --> 01:05:07,240
He just turned up. It was just,
like, "Well, come on, then."
1241
01:05:07,260 --> 01:05:09,720
WILD CHEERING
1242
01:05:09,740 --> 01:05:13,000
BAND PLAYS
'ESPECIALLY FOR YOU'
1243
01:05:13,020 --> 01:05:15,640
JASON DONOVAN: Stock, Aitken
and Waterman, they were doing it
1244
01:05:15,660 --> 01:05:17,960
to satisfy people
who just loved music,
1245
01:05:17,980 --> 01:05:20,840
and I think
that's the ultimate accolade.
1246
01:05:20,860 --> 01:05:25,680
And... I'm lucky and grateful
to have been part of their time.
1247
01:05:25,700 --> 01:05:30,200
And, um... yeah, lucky me.
1248
01:05:30,220 --> 01:05:33,960
# Now we're back together
1249
01:05:33,980 --> 01:05:36,720
# Together
1250
01:05:36,740 --> 01:05:39,280
# I wanna show you
1251
01:05:39,300 --> 01:05:42,040
# My heart is, oh, so true... #
1252
01:05:42,060 --> 01:05:44,360
Ancl obviously, she's a grown woman.
He's a grown man.
1253
01:05:44,380 --> 01:05:46,560
But for that moment,
they're back again,
1254
01:05:46,580 --> 01:05:50,440
and so the whole audience,
100,000, they're all back with them.
1255
01:05:50,460 --> 01:05:53,360
Ancl I think that is...
It's great. It's really great.
1256
01:05:53,380 --> 01:05:56,920
Ancl it's... it's nothing
to sort of put down in any way.
1257
01:05:56,940 --> 01:05:58,960
It should be elevated.
1258
01:05:58,980 --> 01:06:02,040
There is one thing I'd like to add
to all three of you - thank you.
1259
01:06:02,060 --> 01:06:04,200
I think they should do it
one more time.
1260
01:06:05,620 --> 01:06:07,560
I'm in.
1261
01:06:07,580 --> 01:06:12,160
# Together, together
1262
01:06:12,180 --> 01:06:15,200
# I wanna show you
1263
01:06:15,220 --> 01:06:18,320
# My heart is, oh, so true
1264
01:06:18,340 --> 01:06:21,600
# And all the love I have
1265
01:06:21,620 --> 01:06:27,720
# ls especially... #
1266
01:06:27,740 --> 01:06:30,280
How would you sum up, musically,
what you did?
1267
01:06:30,300 --> 01:06:31,680
FLM.
1268
01:06:33,700 --> 01:06:35,520
Fucking lovely, mate.
1269
01:06:35,540 --> 01:06:37,800
MUSIC: 'You Spin Me Round
(Like A Record)' by Dead Or Alive
1270
01:06:37,820 --> 01:06:39,320
# If If I? I
1271
01:06:39,340 --> 01:06:44,120
# I got to be your friend now, baby
1272
01:06:44,140 --> 01:06:46,880
#And I, I, I, I
1273
01:06:46,900 --> 01:06:51,440
# Would like to move in
just a little bit closer
1274
01:06:51,460 --> 01:06:54,000
# All I know is that to me
1275
01:06:54,020 --> 01:06:56,080
# You look like you're lots of fun
1276
01:06:56,100 --> 01:07:00,080
# Open up your lovin' arms
Watch out, here I come
1277
01:07:00,100 --> 01:07:02,320
# You spin me right round
Baby, right round... #
1278
01:07:02,340 --> 01:07:05,120
Three cheers
for Stock, Aitken and Waterman.
1279
01:07:06,740 --> 01:07:07,840
The end.
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