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(toddler talk)
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Uh, we don't get
TV in this house,
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um, we all have
computers.
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My daughter and my son
are three and two
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and they each have
their own computers,
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and they're lined up next
to mommy's computers,
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and um, my little girl is
really really super smart.
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She can use a
computer really well,
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she surfs around this, online
and she uses photoshop
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she uses word, I mean
she's only three years old
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and she can read and
write and use a computer
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just like an adult,
she's pretty amazing.
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I didn't plan
to be a single mom.
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I didn't plan to be stuck
in the middle of the desert
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where I don't
know anybody,
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it's just kind of all
been thrown for a loop.
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(gun shots)
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So at that point
I said we gotta arrest him,
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so we arrested him, and he
cried like a baby, didn't he.
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"I can't go back to jail!
Ahhhhhhhh!"
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and he just
cried like a baby.
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I said okay.
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I gave him the opportunity
to make very small
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reasonable payments, he didn't
make any of the payments,
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I warned him if he didn't
make the payments
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I was gonna come
and take his grandma's car.
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That's what he forced us
to do, and the day that
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I took this car his little
87-year-old grandma
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or mother was out
there with her walker
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watching us
take her car.
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And it was one
of the hardest things
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I've ever had to do
but you know what?
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Business is
business.
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(gun shot)
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So. Now the clay is
pretty much conditioned,
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it's ready
to be worked with.
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We're gonna give
ourselves, a base,
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and then uh, he will
be put into action.
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I would see if he
can find a girlfriend.
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Since he's gone throughout this
radical surgical procedure,
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to have his penis
re-installed.
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Imagine how happy he is
when he wakes up
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and finds out,
he's got a dick again.
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Wow, you know
that's a,
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that's a big day
in the coyote's life.
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Huh?!
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And I knew that,
getting this opportunity to be
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on a mainstream show,
I knew my whole life,
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like, once I got out to LA,
once I could get on a
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reality show, and get the
opportunity to show people,
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like, about me, that that
would be the big thing
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I need to move
forward mainstream.
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I just need that one
opportunity to get there.
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No! What happens is
it like, it like,
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like, you're trying
to put it in it like bends.
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And you, it's better
if it's like a solid one.
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That's reality
right there.
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No, I'm not kidding.
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But, like, one like this, then
it doesn't, it goes faster.
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(laughing)
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And he comes from,
of course the uh,
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story of the old testament,
the story of Josean.
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Um, and this is kind of a
modern day adaptation of that.
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(unintelligible
conversation)
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That is amazing,
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that is amazing and God
bless you and take care.
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I'm definitely still
growing spiritually.
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I don't think you
can ever quit growing.
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There's always room
to get closer to God
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and things to learn
about him and...
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ways to change your
life and to improve.
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It is a mess.
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You're a mess.
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It's a mess.
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(laughing)
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But that's the way
gnocchis are.
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A little bit of a mess.
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It's like, a guy told me once,
when he was painting.
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Is that how you, how it was more
basic and then he went in.
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Well it wasn't more basic,
it was just a painting I did
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and then one day I took
it out and I just
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started painting all this
other stuff in there
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and just went in
with this reds and...
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I don't, I don't remember
what it looked like before,
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I can't remember,
I just, very hard to keep
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a band together
and I only wanna play
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with certain guys that
I really love playing with.
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Cause it all
comes together,
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it's like summer
theatre you know.
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Wow!
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I got a barn,
and I got to, I got to ,
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I got the instruments,
we'll put our own show on!
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You know
what I mean.
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It all still has that,
that element.
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This is uh, one
of the Chinatown series.
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From my home town.
After the mill closed.
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I mean,
pretty much closed.
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What'd you get last year,
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for your birthday,
from Aunt Lynny?
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I think
a Power Ranger suit.
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You got what?
No, you didn't!
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You didn't get a Power Ranger
suit that was for Halloween.
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You got an
electric guitar--
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A 'lectric guitar--
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A REAL electric guitar!
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Why? Because you told
aunt Lynny you wanted
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to grow up
to be a rockstar.
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You know what, I just
see a beautiful girl
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and I just
wanna hug her!
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(laughing)
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Well, I love this one right
here, so I telling you.
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I currently reach out
to women and men
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in the sex industry
and the porn industry
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and I absolutely love
pulling them out of the pit
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the porn industry pit.
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It's 1800 square feet
and, the guest house is
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around 600
square feet.
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That little garage area,
I don't know.
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Um, it took me about a year
to really get serious
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about studying, and,
it took me three times
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to pass the test
but I did it and,
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(deep breath),
here I am.
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(laughing)
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Got into real-estate,
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I've been in it
for five years.
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Yup.
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Dark and mild.
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No, he likes
the dark heavy.
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Dark heavy.
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When I'm at home, I run
around with no makeup on,
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a pair of sweatpants,
bare foot, a t-shirt,
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and I'm usually out
in the yard digging.
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Because I like
to plant things,
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I like to grow things.
Or decorating my house.
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I like to do crafty things,
like, you know, I don't,
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I know I don't seem like
the domestic goddess!
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But I, I, I like to make
things for the house
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and I love to cook.
And, I'm a very good cook.
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I had a little bit,
of, a, some bad terrible
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terrible news,
uh, this April.
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Um, I was diagnosed with uh,
stage three melanoma cancer.
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So for the past
four or five months
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I've been dealing
with that and on chemo.
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They recommended complete
dissection of the lymph-nodes,
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and then to be on
heavy-dose interferon,
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which would be
uh, intravenous,
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which I would get
five times a week,
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for the first month,
and then after that,
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three times a week,
for eleven months,
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for the rest
of the year.
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And um, it's,
it's been tough.
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It's actually
great here, cause,
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how many porno stars
live here? I know--
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There's
some more uh,
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there's some more
coming in uh, Sunset,
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uh, Houston, uh, Taylor
Saint-Claire just moved here.
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What, whatever
happened to uh,
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she was really
hot, but I loved her.
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What happened
to that um...
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oh godammit, I don't
know their names
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I'm really bad
with this, um--
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You remember
their tits. Yeah.
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Oh god, she was um, oh that
doesn't make any difference.
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She was living here for
a long time she was so hot.
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(unintelligible
conversation)
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Oh yeah, she just
moved outta town,
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yeah, she just
moved outta town.
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And uh, that's the only thing
I missed out on in life.
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I've done, pretty
much everything I wanted.
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I did wanna have kids,
didn't have the opportunity
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to meet the right woman
the right time,
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so I do kinda
miss out on that,
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but uh, nobody gets everything
there's other guys
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that have great kids and they
love every minute of it
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they kinda wish they
were me, fantasy wise,
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but um, nobody
gets everything.
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*
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I started modeling
in ninth grade.
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My mom put me
through modeling school,
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I graduated
from modeling school,
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started doing
beauty pageants,
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and model searches,
and bikini contests.
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So, I was exposed, to,
not so much the adult industry
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but just knowing that I could
make money with my body.
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I had a roommate
at the time,
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um, that was a dancer,
and she knew an agent,
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his name was
Jim Salf.
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He said, "Hey, there's a
producer that saw your picture
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and he'd like you
to come do a movie
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how would you like
to do a movie?"
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And I said, uh, well,
I've never done a movie before
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but sure, I could
do it, no problem.
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I went down and I had
braids like Bo Derek
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at the time and,
did my first scene.
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It was a three-way.
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I had never even,
been with a woman,
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I didn't know what
to do with a woman,
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I had, no idea
what I was doing.
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But the minute
those lights hit me,
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I swear that was where
I was supposed to be.
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Everyone said do
it, do it, do it.
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And the more you do the
more money you can make
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dancing on the dance circuit,
the more magazines you can do,
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the more you're
exposed, you can,
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I mean gosh,
I have a sex toy line,
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now we wanna do
an action figure of you.
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Okay!
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I mean, all of it
was just like, cool!
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You know,
sign me up! Sure!
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I was just having a blast,
I mean, there were fans
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lined up for miles and
miles and miles that flew,
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I mean some people came
from Poland and Berlin,
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and come to think of it
when I went to Poland,
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to um, sign
autographs and whatever,
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I mean, when I got off the
plane I needed a body guard!
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I mean, for a porn star to be
that big, around the world,
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I mean, it was un-believable,
I mean felt like a--
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I was a true super star!
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I mean people, were
knocking each other down.
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Heeeere's Houston!!!!
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(cheering)
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Over the Dali Lama
in the newspaper,
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I was the headliner.
I mean, that's unbelievable.
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I was still under contract,
I was with Metro Productions
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for a few years, and they're
the ones that also produced
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uh, the Houston 500, the
world's biggest gang-bang.
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Um, at that point when I
first signed with Metro,
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it was already known going in
that I was gonna takeover,
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uh, Jasmine Saint-Clair's
title and do this gang-bang.
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So, going into my
contract with Metro,
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I already knew that I
was gonna be doing that,
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so, I wasn't, I wasn't
looking for things to,
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oh I've gotta be
more crazy and wild,
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you know honestly it just
all came to me naturally.
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Like, I mean,
I had a labiaplasty,
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and that was before a
lot of women even knew
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that they can get
their labia trimmed
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if you have larger labia
lips and you know,
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when I did that it was like,
oh, it was just a no brainer
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I'm gonna encase that in
lucite and auction it.
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The trimmings.
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I mean, it's just
things just came to me,
244
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I was just a
publicity whore.
245
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I was good at it.
246
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I had invested my
money, uh, I bought a home,
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as well as, um, put a lot
of money in mutual funds,
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and many years ago when
the stock market went kaput,
249
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I lost, like,
almost all my savings.
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And that hurt me.
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Um, but I did still have my
house that I owned in LA,
252
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um, and then when things got
rough of course I sold it,
253
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not for financial reasons
but when I wanted
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to get out
of the industry.
255
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I'm professor of
communications studies
256
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and psychology at UCLA.
257
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I study a variety of topics,
but one of the major areas
258
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that I study is
pornography.
259
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I'm Faith, and since 1984
I've done about 600 films.
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About a thousand
scenes, give or take.
261
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Um, I've won several
dozen awards for acting
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in sex performances and fan
favorite and this and that.
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I think it might be up, this
year for best non-sex role
264
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cause I've also moved into the
occasional character part
265
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that doesn't involve
having sex.
266
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I write about the sex
industry pretty much
267
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from the fall of 1995
until the fall of 2007.
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"The History of X: One
Hundred Years of Sex in Film"
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is the name
of my first book.
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I've been in the adult
entertainment industry
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for basically 35, 36
years, in every capacity.
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I started as a
writer, became an actor,
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director, agent, and now
I'm sorta the, papa bear
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to the adult entertainment
industry, protecting
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adult welfare, which I run,
and, watch over the overaged
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juvenile delinquents
and what I refer to as
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the playpen of the damned,
which is the X-rated industry.
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What we give them in the
adult entertainment industry
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for a brief shiny
moment is immortality,
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validation, and credibility.
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Every one of us, no
matter how insignificant
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we may think we are,
wants to be recognized
283
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at one time or another
in our lives,
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and when you went to those
conventions they lined up
285
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at your booth like they
were getting signatures
286
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from professional
athletes.
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My parents divorced.
My dad took us far away
288
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from our mother, and
ran away with us.
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He became
an alcoholic.
290
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Then I moved in
with my mom
291
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and the family
relationship changed, um,
292
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I felt kind of lost.
293
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I worked a regular
job, um, in an office,
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for five years, but while
I was doing those things
295
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I also found um,
a modeling website
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and I put my pictures
on the website,
297
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and then um, you know, I was
still working in the office
298
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but people were emailing
me about doing shoots.
299
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And I thought it
would be cool to do,
300
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like, bikini stuff, or,
even though I never really
301
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even walked around in bikinis
I thought it would be,
302
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kind of neat.
303
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So, eventually, I did
take a job, um doing,
304
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um, you know they
were only asking me
305
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to do nudes and eventually
I just did it.
306
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I went to my first
shoot, in like a hotel room,
307
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and um, it was just
supposed to be topless,
308
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and it, was, it
was really scary.
309
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Um--
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It was weird.
311
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Well ever since I, since
I got into the business,
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I always got emails,
that said that you,
313
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you don't look
quite comfortable,
314
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and I think that it
was the innocence,
315
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that, attracted my,
a lot of my fans,
316
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is that I didn't look totally
comfortable in anything I did,
317
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and even if I was
speaking I didn't look
318
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totally comfortable and I
never looked confident,
319
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I wasn't very verbal,
I wasn't, you know,
320
00:14:20,460 --> 00:14:23,897
over the top with the
noises or anything, um.
321
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I dunno, I just started feeling,
really depressed about it.
322
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Honestly.
323
00:14:30,570 --> 00:14:34,274
And, then I hit
rock bottom myself,
324
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emotionally, where I
um, got really upset
325
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and I'd go in the bathroom
and I threw a glass
326
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on the ground and then
I um, just crying
327
00:14:44,417 --> 00:14:48,855
and fall to the ground
and just started like,
328
00:14:48,888 --> 00:14:51,124
pounding my wrists into
the glass, and blood was,
329
00:14:51,158 --> 00:14:53,393
just started going
everywhere, and...
330
00:14:54,561 --> 00:14:57,130
I dunno, I just
kinda lost that hope.
331
00:14:57,330 --> 00:15:00,033
I did have a stalker,
um, he started off
332
00:15:00,067 --> 00:15:01,468
just sending me
hate-mail.
333
00:15:01,501 --> 00:15:03,903
He's an atheist, so
he was pretty much,
334
00:15:03,937 --> 00:15:06,073
putting down
what I believe in
335
00:15:06,106 --> 00:15:08,541
and trying to get
me to debate him.
336
00:15:08,575 --> 00:15:11,211
He, heh, became
obsessed with me
337
00:15:11,244 --> 00:15:14,547
and developed like
this, crush on me.
338
00:15:14,581 --> 00:15:17,217
And then I told him
we would never date,
339
00:15:17,250 --> 00:15:19,286
I don't know you I
don't know where you live,
340
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you're too young,
blah blah blah.
341
00:15:21,421 --> 00:15:24,257
And um, he flipped out.
342
00:15:24,291 --> 00:15:25,392
(nervous laughing)
343
00:15:25,425 --> 00:15:27,094
The thing that pushed me
to the edge
344
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was he said he was
gonna, um, he wanted
345
00:15:29,429 --> 00:15:31,098
to bash my head
into the concrete
346
00:15:31,131 --> 00:15:33,066
until my brains
spilled out.
347
00:15:33,100 --> 00:15:35,502
And then kill my cat
and stuff like that.
348
00:15:35,535 --> 00:15:38,638
A few fans had emailed
me the last year or so
349
00:15:38,671 --> 00:15:41,241
and said they were
praying for me
350
00:15:41,274 --> 00:15:43,410
and that they were not
looking at porn anymore,
351
00:15:43,443 --> 00:15:46,113
and, you know, and then I
had this other guy saying
352
00:15:46,146 --> 00:15:47,914
you need to put a
warning on your website
353
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because kids
can see this
354
00:15:49,282 --> 00:15:50,917
my fourteen-year-old son
found this, and then--
355
00:15:50,950 --> 00:15:52,252
Just all kinds of
people were like,
356
00:15:52,285 --> 00:15:55,422
sending me these emails,
random emails and--
357
00:15:55,455 --> 00:15:58,091
You know it uh, and
of course I would,
358
00:15:58,125 --> 00:15:59,592
I was always
kind of sympathetic
359
00:15:59,626 --> 00:16:03,496
to whatever they said
but, um, there was some,
360
00:16:03,530 --> 00:16:05,265
you know I was still
kind of hardened too,
361
00:16:05,298 --> 00:16:07,200
at the same time,
because I was like well,
362
00:16:07,234 --> 00:16:09,636
I can't do anything else,
this is what I'm good at.
363
00:16:09,669 --> 00:16:11,438
This is all that,
I know.
364
00:16:11,471 --> 00:16:15,675
And, I kind of
believed it at the time.
365
00:16:15,708 --> 00:16:17,510
I didn't have
anybody you know,
366
00:16:17,544 --> 00:16:19,979
saying, you're
better than that.
367
00:16:20,013 --> 00:16:22,015
So, um...
(nervous laughing)
368
00:16:22,982 --> 00:16:25,518
Some adult stars do
"find god" and leave,
369
00:16:25,552 --> 00:16:28,288
but those are
people who needed,
370
00:16:28,321 --> 00:16:31,124
who needed to be gone
anyway, and did not have
371
00:16:31,158 --> 00:16:32,559
the personal strength to
do it and so they do
372
00:16:32,592 --> 00:16:35,162
look outside for something
to help them leave.
373
00:16:35,195 --> 00:16:36,496
Um, there are plenty of
people in the business
374
00:16:36,529 --> 00:16:38,465
who really shouldn't be
here, because they have
375
00:16:38,498 --> 00:16:41,634
conflict about-- if
I was-, if I'd been raised
376
00:16:41,668 --> 00:16:44,704
to be ashamed of my
body, and to feel bad
377
00:16:44,737 --> 00:16:47,307
about men and their and
the horrible desires,
378
00:16:47,340 --> 00:16:51,511
but, did porn for other reasons
eventually those two things
379
00:16:51,544 --> 00:16:53,413
are gonna co-, wheels are
gonna come off the bus.
380
00:16:53,446 --> 00:16:55,648
I can only deny it so
long, people try to deny,
381
00:16:55,682 --> 00:16:58,085
they stuff their
feelings with, with drugs,
382
00:16:58,118 --> 00:17:00,187
and alcohol, or whatever it is
they stuff their feelings with
383
00:17:00,220 --> 00:17:02,222
and after a six months,
one year, five year,
384
00:17:02,255 --> 00:17:04,557
ten years, whatever it
finally goes you know what?
385
00:17:04,591 --> 00:17:05,692
I can't do this anymore.
386
00:17:05,725 --> 00:17:08,595
Because for religion and
especially western religion,
387
00:17:08,628 --> 00:17:10,597
especially Christianity
says I love you,
388
00:17:10,630 --> 00:17:12,432
I forgive you, you
can come home now.
389
00:17:12,465 --> 00:17:15,235
And I will not push you out.
390
00:17:15,268 --> 00:17:18,671
And so that is incredibly
powerful and incredibly potent
391
00:17:18,705 --> 00:17:22,342
to have someone finally
say I don't shame you.
392
00:17:22,375 --> 00:17:23,376
I love you.
393
00:17:23,410 --> 00:17:25,512
You're welcome here.
394
00:17:25,545 --> 00:17:27,046
Sign me up!
395
00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:28,381
When you're involved
in this industry
396
00:17:28,415 --> 00:17:29,749
you lose your humanity.
397
00:17:29,782 --> 00:17:31,684
You're no longer treated
as a human being
398
00:17:31,718 --> 00:17:34,754
by eighty percent of
people out there.
399
00:17:34,787 --> 00:17:36,556
You're now, now scum.
400
00:17:36,589 --> 00:17:39,759
Like they maybe wanna, do
certain things with you.
401
00:17:39,792 --> 00:17:41,694
But then, you're still scum.
402
00:17:41,728 --> 00:17:44,297
And, like if, they may
be thrilled to have
403
00:17:44,331 --> 00:17:46,366
a roll in the sac with
you but when they leave,
404
00:17:46,399 --> 00:17:48,401
when you leave they're
gonna wanna burn the sheets.
405
00:17:48,435 --> 00:17:51,538
Uh, ah, I got into
porn by accident.
406
00:17:51,571 --> 00:17:53,740
It wasn't something
I planned on doing,
407
00:17:53,773 --> 00:17:57,210
uh, probably mighta been
the, the least likely thing
408
00:17:57,244 --> 00:17:59,045
I thought I woulda done.
409
00:17:59,078 --> 00:18:00,447
I was singing in
bands after I,
410
00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:02,382
a baseball thing
didn't work out,
411
00:18:02,415 --> 00:18:05,418
uh, I knew I could sing so I
started singing in rock bands.
412
00:18:05,452 --> 00:18:08,388
And of course like all
struggling musicians
413
00:18:08,421 --> 00:18:11,057
you gotta make a little
extra dough on the side.
414
00:18:11,090 --> 00:18:14,394
It actually, my, my first naked
job I was a nude art model
415
00:18:14,427 --> 00:18:17,230
for like you know college art
classes and stuff like that.
416
00:18:17,264 --> 00:18:19,399
And I was really kinda shy
but not about my body
417
00:18:19,432 --> 00:18:22,169
just about talking I was
kinda shy about talking.
418
00:18:22,202 --> 00:18:23,436
but yeah I'd get naked
in front of people
419
00:18:23,470 --> 00:18:25,772
so I did that and a couple
girls in one of the classes
420
00:18:25,805 --> 00:18:28,675
asked to take some pictures
of me and they did and--
421
00:18:28,708 --> 00:18:30,577
They came out pretty good and
they said can we send them
422
00:18:30,610 --> 00:18:32,779
to some magazines I said I
don't care do what you want.
423
00:18:32,812 --> 00:18:34,080
And they sent'em out and
and next thing I know
424
00:18:34,113 --> 00:18:37,317
I got a letter from Playgirl,
and, but High Society
425
00:18:37,350 --> 00:18:40,453
said they like to do a boy/girl
thing but I said alright.
426
00:18:40,487 --> 00:18:42,455
So it was the first
thing I ever did.
427
00:18:42,489 --> 00:18:44,090
And they had a woman
editor and at the end
428
00:18:44,123 --> 00:18:45,325
of the shoot she goes
you know uh,
429
00:18:45,358 --> 00:18:47,594
I noticed you were taking care
of business pretty good,
430
00:18:47,627 --> 00:18:49,696
did you ever think about
doing a porn movie
431
00:18:49,729 --> 00:18:51,464
cause I got
some connections.
432
00:18:51,498 --> 00:18:53,833
And I go, I never really
thought about it, no.
433
00:18:53,866 --> 00:18:57,437
She goes well you know, I think,
I can get you 250 bucks.
434
00:18:57,470 --> 00:18:59,639
Like, 250 bucks man!
435
00:18:59,672 --> 00:19:01,541
1978 that was
some good cash,
436
00:19:01,574 --> 00:19:04,110
that's what I
was making a week!
437
00:19:04,143 --> 00:19:06,279
So I said uh, alright
I'll try it, you know.
438
00:19:06,313 --> 00:19:09,349
So I did it and uh,
guess I was good at it
439
00:19:09,382 --> 00:19:10,683
cause they kept
calling me back.
440
00:19:10,717 --> 00:19:13,220
And uh, that's kinda
how it got started.
441
00:19:13,253 --> 00:19:15,555
I, I used to say it's like
borrowing somebody's body
442
00:19:15,588 --> 00:19:16,656
to masturbate with.
443
00:19:16,689 --> 00:19:18,391
Uh, excuse me, if you're
not busy do you mind
444
00:19:18,425 --> 00:19:20,493
if I jerk off in your
pussy with my dick?
445
00:19:20,527 --> 00:19:23,730
Uh, it's kinda like
that, which it's not bad,
446
00:19:23,763 --> 00:19:27,500
I mean you know, better
than real jerkin' off, but--
447
00:19:27,534 --> 00:19:29,236
When I first started
producing up-and-comers
448
00:19:29,269 --> 00:19:31,471
I get this letter in the
mail and I open it up
449
00:19:31,504 --> 00:19:35,174
and I see this unbelievably,
good-looking,
450
00:19:35,208 --> 00:19:37,710
very young
looking blonde girl,
451
00:19:37,744 --> 00:19:40,647
with beautiful
natural boobs,
452
00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:43,416
little baby face, and
she wants to know
453
00:19:43,450 --> 00:19:46,253
if I can help her get
in the porn biz.
454
00:19:46,286 --> 00:19:48,221
Girl's name was
Jenna Jameson.
455
00:19:48,255 --> 00:19:49,589
I remember saying this
I mean holy christ
456
00:19:49,622 --> 00:19:50,657
if I get this girl
to shoot for me
457
00:19:50,690 --> 00:19:52,359
we're gonna sell
some tapes.
458
00:19:52,392 --> 00:19:53,693
I said well if you don't
wanna do guys you know
459
00:19:53,726 --> 00:19:55,161
I'll let you pick
whatever girl you want
460
00:19:55,194 --> 00:19:58,331
if you wanna do that.
And she liked girls.
461
00:19:58,365 --> 00:20:00,500
so she picked this girl that I
happened to be working with
462
00:20:00,533 --> 00:20:03,169
that day who was doing her
first movie, Kylie Ireland,
463
00:20:03,202 --> 00:20:05,238
so Kylie and Jenna were
doing their thing together
464
00:20:05,272 --> 00:20:10,176
and uh, everything was
going good, and they took
465
00:20:10,209 --> 00:20:11,911
a little break and while
they were lying there I--
466
00:20:11,944 --> 00:20:14,347
I think I said something like,
467
00:20:14,381 --> 00:20:16,849
man Jenna that's a tasty
looking pussy you got.
468
00:20:16,883 --> 00:20:20,253
And I believe she said well
why don't you come in
469
00:20:20,287 --> 00:20:21,254
and taste it.
470
00:20:21,288 --> 00:20:22,855
I went--
471
00:20:22,889 --> 00:20:24,757
Okay, I was doing the
camera but I handed it
472
00:20:24,791 --> 00:20:29,796
to my assistant, Bob hold
onto this, start shooting.
473
00:20:29,829 --> 00:20:31,864
So I get in there and I
start going down on her
474
00:20:31,898 --> 00:20:34,401
and she starts squealing that
little squeal that she had
475
00:20:34,434 --> 00:20:36,903
and um, I'm guessing she's
kinda liking it you know,
476
00:20:36,936 --> 00:20:39,606
and seemed like she was getting
off and everything's good
477
00:20:39,639 --> 00:20:42,309
and I said man, I am
so fuckin' horny now.
478
00:20:42,342 --> 00:20:43,910
I said would you
guys mind maybe like,
479
00:20:43,943 --> 00:20:45,545
giving me a double
blowjob or something?
480
00:20:45,578 --> 00:20:49,215
And they said sure, we can
do that, and I'm like--
481
00:20:49,248 --> 00:20:50,450
Thank you, thank you!
482
00:20:50,483 --> 00:20:54,721
And they did and it went
well and a week later
483
00:20:54,754 --> 00:20:56,789
she kinda called me back
and said you know what
484
00:20:56,823 --> 00:20:58,491
you weren't so bad I think
I could probably do
485
00:20:58,525 --> 00:21:00,893
a boy girl thing with
you and the rest is
486
00:21:00,927 --> 00:21:02,562
kinda history after that.
487
00:21:02,595 --> 00:21:05,298
Getting "It's a Daddy
Thing" number three!
488
00:21:05,332 --> 00:21:07,233
Old man, can
make a comeback!
489
00:21:07,266 --> 00:21:08,234
Yeah!
490
00:21:08,267 --> 00:21:10,570
So there baby,
no viagra yet!
491
00:21:10,603 --> 00:21:14,641
Um, and it, you know,
it's cool you do your thing,
492
00:21:14,674 --> 00:21:17,510
you go home, you came,
you relax you know but,
493
00:21:17,544 --> 00:21:19,579
I'm kind of an
affectionate kinda guy,
494
00:21:19,612 --> 00:21:21,814
and so I kinda miss that
part of it and that's why
495
00:21:21,848 --> 00:21:23,282
I still like having
a relationship,
496
00:21:23,316 --> 00:21:25,685
when it happens, you know.
497
00:21:25,718 --> 00:21:28,688
And uh, you know for example
eh, Tera Patrick man,
498
00:21:28,721 --> 00:21:30,256
not only was
she incredible in bed
499
00:21:30,289 --> 00:21:32,925
but there was just,
I just liked her.
500
00:21:32,959 --> 00:21:35,628
And, that that, sense of
humor and the craziness,
501
00:21:35,662 --> 00:21:38,665
a little bit
different, you know.
502
00:21:38,698 --> 00:21:42,502
So, I hadn't dated anybody
in so long when I met her
503
00:21:42,535 --> 00:21:45,004
I forgot how
to do it, and uh,
504
00:21:45,037 --> 00:21:46,873
I did ask her out
to dinner twice,
505
00:21:46,906 --> 00:21:48,541
and we went out to dinner
and we had a good time
506
00:21:48,575 --> 00:21:51,644
but I dropped her off at her
place without asking her
507
00:21:51,678 --> 00:21:53,446
if I could, come in.
508
00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:56,883
And I don't know
eh, I might have,
509
00:21:56,916 --> 00:21:58,385
she mighta
thought I was weird.
510
00:21:58,418 --> 00:22:01,721
I already had sex with her a
couple of times, on camera,
511
00:22:01,754 --> 00:22:02,855
and she mighta thought
it was weird that
512
00:22:02,889 --> 00:22:04,957
I didn't wanna come up
and finish the date,
513
00:22:04,991 --> 00:22:07,293
but I was kinda showing her
that I wasn't just there
514
00:22:07,326 --> 00:22:11,631
for the sex, and, maybe
it wasn't a good move
515
00:22:11,664 --> 00:22:13,400
cause you leave a
beautiful woman like that
516
00:22:13,433 --> 00:22:15,034
alone for too long and somebody
else is gonna come along
517
00:22:15,067 --> 00:22:16,636
and somebody else
did come along and,
518
00:22:16,669 --> 00:22:17,904
that was that.
519
00:22:17,937 --> 00:22:20,507
She made it today,
this is Tera Patrick.
520
00:22:20,540 --> 00:22:21,441
Hello.
521
00:22:22,509 --> 00:22:24,043
And uh, Tera is reasonably
known in the business
522
00:22:24,076 --> 00:22:26,546
and hasn't even
worked that often.
523
00:22:26,579 --> 00:22:27,514
Apparently.
524
00:22:29,348 --> 00:22:30,349
Um.
525
00:22:31,017 --> 00:22:32,819
I was just trying to
pace myself right now.
526
00:22:32,852 --> 00:22:34,754
One of my all
time favorites.
527
00:22:40,860 --> 00:22:43,596
Most of the people who seek
it out don't have means
528
00:22:43,630 --> 00:22:48,000
of making that kind of
money by other means.
529
00:22:48,034 --> 00:22:50,737
I mean very few
women say hmm,
530
00:22:50,770 --> 00:22:52,705
I'm going to become a
surgeon or I'm going
531
00:22:52,739 --> 00:22:55,742
to become
a pornography star.
532
00:22:55,775 --> 00:22:57,444
This country does
not raise people
533
00:22:57,477 --> 00:22:58,511
with a very good work ethic.
534
00:22:58,545 --> 00:22:59,879
They don't know how
to do anything else.
535
00:22:59,912 --> 00:23:01,514
They don't know
how to do retail,
536
00:23:01,548 --> 00:23:05,452
they don't know how to
do Excel spreadsheets.
537
00:23:05,485 --> 00:23:08,354
Many people who make their
way to adult entertainment,
538
00:23:08,387 --> 00:23:11,123
like rock-and-roll, are not
suited for nine-to-five work.
539
00:23:12,892 --> 00:23:15,528
I, ran away from
home at sixteen
540
00:23:15,562 --> 00:23:17,530
and was living on the
streets at seventeen.
541
00:23:17,564 --> 00:23:20,700
Uh, everything I owned
was in two garbage bags.
542
00:23:20,733 --> 00:23:25,472
Um, my parents were saying I
hope you just kill yourself
543
00:23:25,505 --> 00:23:27,540
and make life a lot
easier for the rest of us.
544
00:23:27,574 --> 00:23:30,443
Uh, it was just on and on
and on so there I was
545
00:23:30,477 --> 00:23:32,812
out on the streets and
then, when I got taken in
546
00:23:32,845 --> 00:23:36,048
with a foster family,
um, I made sure that
547
00:23:36,082 --> 00:23:37,917
I kept finishing school
with good grades
548
00:23:37,950 --> 00:23:39,418
because that was gonna
be my future that
549
00:23:39,452 --> 00:23:40,787
was gonna be my ticket
outta there and then
550
00:23:40,820 --> 00:23:43,389
when I went to college on
full academic scholarship
551
00:23:43,422 --> 00:23:44,757
I never actually
went to classes.
552
00:23:44,791 --> 00:23:46,959
I said okay I've got
free room and board,
553
00:23:46,993 --> 00:23:47,994
I need to make money.
554
00:23:48,027 --> 00:23:50,096
I need to get some sort of
security and stability
555
00:23:50,129 --> 00:23:53,900
in my life so I don't have
to turn tricks
556
00:23:53,933 --> 00:23:55,568
to get food to eat.
557
00:23:55,602 --> 00:23:59,005
So I took up stripping, I went
to all the local strip bars,
558
00:23:59,038 --> 00:24:02,675
and from there I started doing
magazines in New York City.
559
00:24:02,709 --> 00:24:03,776
I would take a train
to New York CIty
560
00:24:03,810 --> 00:24:05,612
on weekends
and do magazines.
561
00:24:05,645 --> 00:24:09,415
And then, uh, a photographer
said he knew a director
562
00:24:09,448 --> 00:24:11,450
in California named Bud
Lee who could direct me
563
00:24:11,484 --> 00:24:12,919
in some movies if I
wanted to do that.
564
00:24:12,952 --> 00:24:16,422
So um, I packed up my
suitcase and a teddy bear
565
00:24:16,455 --> 00:24:18,157
and went out to LA.
566
00:24:18,190 --> 00:24:22,595
Made a movie for Bud Lee,
married him, didn't come back.
567
00:24:22,629 --> 00:24:25,097
The reason that I
wanted to do porn,
568
00:24:25,131 --> 00:24:28,801
even though I was so smart,
Miss MENSA and all that is
569
00:24:28,835 --> 00:24:32,104
uh, it's precisely because I
wanted to stop being known
570
00:24:32,138 --> 00:24:36,108
as the nerd the geek the,
the one that you come over
571
00:24:36,142 --> 00:24:37,677
and you be nice to me
just so you can copy off
572
00:24:37,710 --> 00:24:39,512
of my tests, you know.
573
00:24:39,546 --> 00:24:40,547
(laughing)
574
00:24:40,580 --> 00:24:42,615
I would hang out with some
of my misfit friends
575
00:24:42,649 --> 00:24:44,450
and they had, they
had adult magazines
576
00:24:44,483 --> 00:24:46,118
hidden under their bed and
they would look at them
577
00:24:46,152 --> 00:24:47,987
and I would be peeking
over their shoulder going
578
00:24:48,020 --> 00:24:49,522
I wish someone would
look at me like that.
579
00:24:49,556 --> 00:24:52,559
And that was just like
my wildest fantasy that
580
00:24:52,592 --> 00:24:53,893
someone would think
that I was pretty
581
00:24:53,926 --> 00:24:56,796
and sexy and, woo!
582
00:24:56,829 --> 00:24:59,465
All my life I'd just
been the nerd and the geek.
583
00:24:59,498 --> 00:25:01,133
So it was like a fantasy
come true for me that
584
00:25:01,167 --> 00:25:03,636
someone wanted to see me
on the cover of a magazine.
585
00:25:03,670 --> 00:25:06,038
When I got to porn it was
like wait, I get to pick
586
00:25:06,072 --> 00:25:07,974
which one of these good-looking
guys I wanna sleep with?
587
00:25:08,007 --> 00:25:09,576
And uh, you're gonna
pay me for it
588
00:25:09,609 --> 00:25:10,710
and then you're gonna
put me on a box cover
589
00:25:10,743 --> 00:25:11,711
and give me tons of money?
590
00:25:11,744 --> 00:25:12,712
(laughing)
591
00:25:12,745 --> 00:25:14,847
It was just uh, a
really big step up
592
00:25:14,881 --> 00:25:16,883
from where
I was coming from.
593
00:25:16,916 --> 00:25:19,886
Porn wasn't all that much
of a mental challenge
594
00:25:19,919 --> 00:25:22,589
for me shall we say,
um, standing there
595
00:25:22,622 --> 00:25:25,825
and saying my silly lines
just, it didn't take up
596
00:25:25,858 --> 00:25:27,026
a whole lot of my
day so meanwhile
597
00:25:27,059 --> 00:25:28,094
you got a lot of
time to sit around
598
00:25:28,127 --> 00:25:30,830
and wait so uh, I just
kept myself busy
599
00:25:30,863 --> 00:25:32,999
by learning every
single job on the set.
600
00:25:33,032 --> 00:25:36,002
Um, I (laughing)
I would get
601
00:25:36,035 --> 00:25:37,837
the grips to take me
down to the grip truck
602
00:25:37,870 --> 00:25:39,005
and show me the names
of everything on there
603
00:25:39,038 --> 00:25:41,507
and teach me how to do
everything by showing up
604
00:25:41,540 --> 00:25:43,075
with my little grip belt and
my shorts and my gloves
605
00:25:43,109 --> 00:25:44,210
and no shirt on.
606
00:25:44,243 --> 00:25:45,344
(laughing)
607
00:25:45,377 --> 00:25:47,113
and I would ask very nicely
if they would teach me
608
00:25:47,146 --> 00:25:49,749
their job and they did,
and uh,
609
00:25:49,782 --> 00:25:51,183
much the same way I
learned editing,
610
00:25:51,217 --> 00:25:53,019
directing,
producing, scriptwriting,
611
00:25:53,052 --> 00:25:55,688
um, every job on
the set I've gotten.
612
00:25:55,722 --> 00:25:57,957
If you look on IMDB my name has
got all credits next to it
613
00:25:57,990 --> 00:26:00,026
I did everything.
614
00:26:00,059 --> 00:26:02,695
I even designed
my own box covers.
615
00:26:02,729 --> 00:26:05,632
Um, what made me different was
I was the first half-asian
616
00:26:05,665 --> 00:26:07,867
to become an A-list
star in the business.
617
00:26:07,900 --> 00:26:10,770
Um, before I'd started
there was the white girls
618
00:26:10,803 --> 00:26:12,038
and the black girls
and the asian girls
619
00:26:12,071 --> 00:26:13,640
and each had their
own separate genre,
620
00:26:13,673 --> 00:26:16,943
and, they didn't mix,
you, you don't put
621
00:26:16,976 --> 00:26:18,210
an asian girl in a
white girl movie.
622
00:26:18,244 --> 00:26:19,211
(laughing)
623
00:26:19,245 --> 00:26:20,379
It's just
the way it was.
624
00:26:20,412 --> 00:26:22,649
And then when I came in
and I was only half-asian
625
00:26:22,682 --> 00:26:24,751
the features were soft enough
that they could still
626
00:26:24,784 --> 00:26:26,052
put me on a cover and I could
still be a white girl,
627
00:26:26,085 --> 00:26:28,220
or and asian girl, they
could play me either way.
628
00:26:28,254 --> 00:26:30,556
Or they could play me
as an Indian or a Gypsy,
629
00:26:30,589 --> 00:26:31,423
or, Greek girl!
630
00:26:31,457 --> 00:26:33,225
They gave me all
the different roles.
631
00:26:33,259 --> 00:26:34,727
So they just, they
wound up using
632
00:26:34,761 --> 00:26:36,228
my look
as very versatile.
633
00:26:36,262 --> 00:26:38,631
And so I became the
first "cross-over" star
634
00:26:38,665 --> 00:26:42,134
from a minority, and then uh,
I guess they did pretty well
635
00:26:42,168 --> 00:26:44,570
with me cause after I left
Vivid they got Koby Tie,
636
00:26:44,603 --> 00:26:47,807
who was full asian, so,
I kinda opened the door
637
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:49,976
for the minorities to
become A-listers.
638
00:26:50,009 --> 00:26:51,911
I, I hated doing
live appearance.
639
00:26:51,944 --> 00:26:53,980
Oh I'm getting sweaty just
looking at this picture.
640
00:26:54,013 --> 00:26:55,181
(laughing) Yeah.
641
00:26:55,214 --> 00:26:57,650
I spent like all year
long dreading the CES Show.
642
00:26:57,684 --> 00:27:00,086
I would just have to
keep telling myself
643
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:01,087
they're more scared
than you are,
644
00:27:01,120 --> 00:27:02,154
they're more scared
than you are.
645
00:27:02,188 --> 00:27:04,256
Cause I'd smile and I'd say
"So what's your name?"
646
00:27:04,290 --> 00:27:07,593
and they'd go--
(laughing)
647
00:27:07,626 --> 00:27:10,663
they'd just look at me.
Okay what's your name?!
648
00:27:10,697 --> 00:27:12,598
If you see my very first
interviews from when
649
00:27:12,631 --> 00:27:13,766
I was nineteen,
twenty years old,
650
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:15,935
I said I'm gonna retire
when I'm thirty.
651
00:27:15,968 --> 00:27:16,936
And people would
laugh and say
652
00:27:16,969 --> 00:27:17,970
oh you've got it
all planned out.
653
00:27:18,004 --> 00:27:19,872
There really wasn't
any question about it.
654
00:27:20,673 --> 00:27:24,944
I had, gotten married,
and, then divorced.
655
00:27:24,977 --> 00:27:28,781
And I met someone who
had adult bookstores.
656
00:27:28,815 --> 00:27:31,150
So I basically got
my introduction
657
00:27:31,183 --> 00:27:33,953
to the adult entertainment
world through working
658
00:27:33,986 --> 00:27:37,123
in adult bookstores,
and then consequently
659
00:27:37,156 --> 00:27:40,860
owning adult bookstores
and I saw the women
660
00:27:40,893 --> 00:27:44,731
that were doing movies at
the time and, I was just,
661
00:27:44,764 --> 00:27:49,335
amazed, because, they had
pimples on their rear-ends,
662
00:27:49,368 --> 00:27:51,904
they had on no makeup,
their feet were dirty,
663
00:27:51,938 --> 00:27:54,807
their hair was dirty,
and I thought my god,
664
00:27:54,841 --> 00:27:58,210
this is not a really good
representation of women.
665
00:27:58,244 --> 00:27:59,345
I wanna do that.
666
00:27:59,378 --> 00:28:05,818
I mean I had done, um, a
few magazines and a few uh,
667
00:28:05,852 --> 00:28:08,755
like, 8 mm loops, and
then I came to California,
668
00:28:08,788 --> 00:28:11,991
and I picked up one of
the free papers and,
669
00:28:12,024 --> 00:28:13,692
there was an ad.
670
00:28:13,726 --> 00:28:16,996
My family was very, very
okay with what I did
671
00:28:17,029 --> 00:28:19,899
because I did tell them
what I was about to do
672
00:28:19,932 --> 00:28:22,368
before I actually
did anything.
673
00:28:22,401 --> 00:28:25,404
I mean I'd done a
couple of photo shoots,
674
00:28:25,437 --> 00:28:28,040
and decided that I needed
to tell my family
675
00:28:28,074 --> 00:28:31,343
before it got out there
because I didn't want
676
00:28:31,377 --> 00:28:33,880
them finding out
from someone else.
677
00:28:33,913 --> 00:28:36,282
And they're like
well do, you think
678
00:28:36,315 --> 00:28:37,549
you can make money at it?
679
00:28:37,583 --> 00:28:39,852
You think you can have a good
career and be happy doing this?
680
00:28:39,886 --> 00:28:44,123
And I said yes I do, and
they said good, go do it.
681
00:28:44,156 --> 00:28:48,427
We had a very small
community of people,
682
00:28:48,460 --> 00:28:51,931
of players, that
we all worked with.
683
00:28:51,964 --> 00:28:54,867
And we all worked with
each other quite a bit.
684
00:28:54,901 --> 00:28:57,103
So the community was
small, we were familiar
685
00:28:57,136 --> 00:28:59,872
with one another,
and, we actu--
686
00:28:59,906 --> 00:29:02,809
it's like when you, have
a, a new boyfriend
687
00:29:02,842 --> 00:29:05,211
or new girlfriend or a
new husband or wife,
688
00:29:05,244 --> 00:29:07,880
it takes a little while
before you know what
689
00:29:07,914 --> 00:29:09,982
pushes their buttons,
what turns them on
690
00:29:10,016 --> 00:29:13,953
what makes them feel
good, and then it starts
691
00:29:13,986 --> 00:29:19,458
to become very intimate,
and, you can actually,
692
00:29:19,491 --> 00:29:21,928
have an intimate
relationship with the person
693
00:29:21,961 --> 00:29:23,429
you're working
with on screen,
694
00:29:23,462 --> 00:29:25,798
and be fond of them
after the movie is over.
695
00:29:25,832 --> 00:29:31,770
Um, but they're just
generally sweet nice people.
696
00:29:32,805 --> 00:29:35,741
I was being
offered parts in movies,
697
00:29:35,774 --> 00:29:38,845
in, or photo shoots
or what have you,
698
00:29:38,878 --> 00:29:41,814
and they didn't want to pay
me the amount of money
699
00:29:41,848 --> 00:29:46,285
I wanted, and I said no.
I just, I held out.
700
00:29:46,318 --> 00:29:51,257
So, um, and subsequently
I started stripping,
701
00:29:51,290 --> 00:29:54,927
going across the, basically
across the world stripping.
702
00:29:54,961 --> 00:30:00,199
And uh, doing photo shoots with
Club Magazine predominantly.
703
00:30:00,232 --> 00:30:02,434
And um, so they
didn't see me in front,
704
00:30:02,468 --> 00:30:04,003
people didn't see me in
front of the camera
705
00:30:04,036 --> 00:30:07,039
so they thought okay,
she's retired.
706
00:30:07,073 --> 00:30:08,875
I've been retired and
come back so many times
707
00:30:08,908 --> 00:30:10,977
I can't keep track anymore.
708
00:30:11,010 --> 00:30:12,811
I've also been
dead a few times.
709
00:30:14,813 --> 00:30:18,784
I saw an add in the paper it
said "Nude fun, big bucks."
710
00:30:18,817 --> 00:30:21,153
and uh, it was an audition
for an X-rated movie.
711
00:30:21,187 --> 00:30:23,289
Two days later I get a
call from the producer,
712
00:30:23,322 --> 00:30:25,491
they wanna give me a
part in the movie.
713
00:30:25,524 --> 00:30:27,459
I hadn't planned on that.
714
00:30:27,493 --> 00:30:32,298
At the time, I had applied
to the Hebrew Union Seminary
715
00:30:32,331 --> 00:30:35,334
in Cincinnati, where
they uh, train people
716
00:30:35,367 --> 00:30:36,903
to become Rabbis.
717
00:30:36,936 --> 00:30:40,372
So I'm trying to
measure, do I wanna do this,
718
00:30:40,406 --> 00:30:42,341
or do I wanna be in a porn
movie because it seems
719
00:30:42,374 --> 00:30:44,310
if I take the part in
the porn movie I maybe,
720
00:30:44,343 --> 00:30:49,315
um, cutting some of my options
off, for future life.
721
00:30:49,348 --> 00:30:53,519
And the uh, seminary in
Cincinnati said we'll take you
722
00:30:53,552 --> 00:30:56,822
but the first two years you
have to go to Jerusalem
723
00:30:56,855 --> 00:30:58,925
and study Aramaic, which,
I would rather go
724
00:30:58,958 --> 00:31:02,261
to Cleveland and study
their sewer system.
725
00:31:02,294 --> 00:31:04,330
Um,
no interest there.
726
00:31:04,363 --> 00:31:07,266
So I decided I would
make the porn movie.
727
00:31:07,299 --> 00:31:10,903
And, in any case the kind
of Rabbi I would become,
728
00:31:10,937 --> 00:31:13,539
would be the kind that
could've made a porn movie.
729
00:31:13,572 --> 00:31:16,042
And uh, I went
ahead and did the job.
730
00:31:16,075 --> 00:31:19,011
I think I had to become
a sex star just
731
00:31:19,045 --> 00:31:21,013
to come back to normal!
732
00:31:21,047 --> 00:31:24,083
Cause I'd been so humiliated
by being the fat kid!
733
00:31:24,116 --> 00:31:26,852
I had the largest breasts
in the seventh grade!
734
00:31:26,885 --> 00:31:28,220
The guys would
make fun of me
735
00:31:28,254 --> 00:31:30,356
and point at me
and tease me!
736
00:31:30,389 --> 00:31:32,424
Do you know how
deep those scars go?!
737
00:31:32,458 --> 00:31:33,926
That's ugly shit!
738
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,196
Those are the people
that become centerfolds!
739
00:31:37,229 --> 00:31:38,931
Cause they got
something to prove.
740
00:31:38,965 --> 00:31:42,868
I was lucky enough to uh, be
in the era when they were
741
00:31:42,901 --> 00:31:44,370
actually trying to make
movies where you needed
742
00:31:44,403 --> 00:31:46,038
to remember lines.
743
00:31:46,072 --> 00:31:48,140
And I had the,
I was good at that.
744
00:31:48,174 --> 00:31:51,477
So, I got hired for
my acting ability,
745
00:31:51,510 --> 00:31:54,113
which being a
good actor in porn,
746
00:31:54,146 --> 00:31:57,049
is like being the wisest man
in the kingdom of the fools.
747
00:31:57,083 --> 00:31:58,384
He promised that I
could fuck you next.
748
00:31:58,417 --> 00:31:59,585
He what?!
749
00:32:00,652 --> 00:32:01,420
Gah!
750
00:32:02,121 --> 00:32:02,921
Ow!
751
00:32:03,489 --> 00:32:03,956
(screaming)
752
00:32:03,990 --> 00:32:05,457
Let him alone!
753
00:32:05,491 --> 00:32:06,592
I said let him alone!
754
00:32:06,625 --> 00:32:07,393
(shrieking)
755
00:32:07,426 --> 00:32:09,628
Ow!
Ah, oh uh!
756
00:32:09,661 --> 00:32:11,630
Get the fuck
outta here!
757
00:32:11,663 --> 00:32:14,133
My ankle!
Ow, my ankle!
758
00:32:14,666 --> 00:32:16,402
I was terrible
at the sex.
759
00:32:16,435 --> 00:32:17,403
Just rotten!
760
00:32:17,436 --> 00:32:19,005
I was just so
traumatized by it.
761
00:32:19,038 --> 00:32:23,075
But I eventually did learn
how to have sex on camera.
762
00:32:23,109 --> 00:32:27,346
I was on the beach in San Diego
and uh, I was by myself.
763
00:32:27,379 --> 00:32:30,282
and I'm sitting there,
and I notice there's a,
764
00:32:30,316 --> 00:32:33,452
really beautiful woman,
laying on a towel and so
765
00:32:33,485 --> 00:32:36,588
my gaze drifts over to her and
her boyfriend looks at me
766
00:32:36,622 --> 00:32:39,091
and sees her--
and I look away.
767
00:32:39,125 --> 00:32:40,592
And then eventually I'd
drift back and I'm looking
768
00:32:40,626 --> 00:32:42,995
at her again and the
boyfriend sees me looking
769
00:32:43,029 --> 00:32:44,430
at her again
and I'm like shit.
770
00:32:44,463 --> 00:32:47,266
Well the guy gets up,
and he starts walkin'
771
00:32:47,299 --> 00:32:51,203
over towards me and I'm
going Oh no! Here we go.
772
00:32:51,237 --> 00:32:53,039
You know, this is
gonna get ugly.
773
00:32:53,072 --> 00:32:54,506
And he gets
close to me and I,
774
00:32:54,540 --> 00:32:57,376
I'm just clenching my
fist ready to defend myself.
775
00:32:57,409 --> 00:32:59,511
The guy's a monster,
I'm gonna get killed,
776
00:32:59,545 --> 00:33:02,548
I know it, and he
leans in and he says
777
00:33:02,581 --> 00:33:04,183
"Were you in Insatiable?"
778
00:33:04,216 --> 00:33:06,652
(laughing)
And I went YES! YES!
779
00:33:06,685 --> 00:33:08,520
I was so happy that's what
it was, he recognized me
780
00:33:08,554 --> 00:33:10,622
from the movie business
and he wasn't gonna
781
00:33:10,656 --> 00:33:12,958
kick my ass it was
a true delight.
782
00:33:12,991 --> 00:33:13,959
A true delight.
783
00:33:13,992 --> 00:33:15,394
We became
friends at that point.
784
00:33:15,427 --> 00:33:17,129
I hadn't told my parents
that I was doing this.
785
00:33:17,163 --> 00:33:20,566
I told them I had, was
doing commercials
786
00:33:20,599 --> 00:33:25,003
and low-budget nothing,
and, well, that I,
787
00:33:25,037 --> 00:33:27,473
I knew that they
weren't gonna be.
788
00:33:27,506 --> 00:33:29,408
I didn't suspect they
would be very approving
789
00:33:29,441 --> 00:33:31,177
of this kinda stuff.
790
00:33:31,210 --> 00:33:34,146
I made the original
call prepared
791
00:33:34,180 --> 00:33:36,315
to become the black
sheep of the family.
792
00:33:36,348 --> 00:33:38,350
It didn't happen.
793
00:33:38,384 --> 00:33:41,253
I'm sure they were
less than thrilled.
794
00:33:41,287 --> 00:33:43,089
When my mother would be
at the grocery store
795
00:33:43,122 --> 00:33:45,224
the next day and they say
796
00:33:45,257 --> 00:33:46,325
"Good to see you,
how you doing?
797
00:33:46,358 --> 00:33:47,993
What's going on?"
798
00:33:48,026 --> 00:33:49,361
"Well! My son the doctor's
799
00:33:49,395 --> 00:33:52,030
coming back from Israel,
and my other son,
800
00:33:52,064 --> 00:33:54,300
he makes shmackle
movies in California!"
801
00:33:57,069 --> 00:33:59,505
Well I think people may
have a negative reaction
802
00:33:59,538 --> 00:34:04,443
to someone who's a porn star
for a combination of reasons.
803
00:34:04,476 --> 00:34:07,746
One is, somebody who seems
to indiscriminately
804
00:34:07,779 --> 00:34:10,182
be willing to sleep
with anyone,
805
00:34:10,216 --> 00:34:13,219
whether it's on
film or not, is,
806
00:34:13,252 --> 00:34:16,088
no matter what people
say, still not somebody
807
00:34:16,122 --> 00:34:18,390
who's particularly
admired and,
808
00:34:18,424 --> 00:34:22,761
again may pose a threat
to many relationships.
809
00:34:22,794 --> 00:34:25,731
It is legal work,
but it's fucking.
810
00:34:27,433 --> 00:34:28,534
With pictures.
811
00:34:28,567 --> 00:34:31,036
People say "you should,
should go into politics"
812
00:34:31,069 --> 00:34:33,038
There's too many pictures
with dicks in my ass,
813
00:34:33,071 --> 00:34:35,073
it's like, it's not
going to happen.
814
00:34:36,074 --> 00:34:37,576
It happened
by happenstance.
815
00:34:37,609 --> 00:34:41,213
I came up with some friends
and I went to a club
816
00:34:41,247 --> 00:34:46,051
called The Rainbow, and, I
met there Althea Flint,
817
00:34:46,084 --> 00:34:50,055
the wife of Larry Flint,
and a photographer that
818
00:34:50,088 --> 00:34:53,659
she had in tow, and they
approached me and invited me
819
00:34:53,692 --> 00:34:57,496
to their table, and asked me
if I wanted to go to a club
820
00:34:57,529 --> 00:34:59,765
and have some drinks
and I did.
821
00:34:59,798 --> 00:35:02,601
And she was, doing an
interview for Sting,
822
00:35:02,634 --> 00:35:05,571
and we were up there looking
to meet some rockstars,
823
00:35:05,604 --> 00:35:06,805
you know, we
were just girls.
824
00:35:06,838 --> 00:35:08,640
Doing our thing.
825
00:35:08,674 --> 00:35:12,144
And she took us in her limo,
she had this black limo that
826
00:35:12,178 --> 00:35:14,446
had this Think Pink on
the license plate and this,
827
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:16,515
I think it was a naked
lady on the side of it.
828
00:35:16,548 --> 00:35:18,784
And I was so
impressed by that.
829
00:35:18,817 --> 00:35:21,420
She said what do you do
and I said I'm a model
830
00:35:21,453 --> 00:35:22,421
and she said Wow!
831
00:35:22,454 --> 00:35:25,191
I sh-- you know, I, I
own Hustler Magazine
832
00:35:25,224 --> 00:35:26,592
and we're gonna put
you in Hustler.
833
00:35:26,625 --> 00:35:28,494
So, that was that!
834
00:35:28,527 --> 00:35:33,465
Um, I went into Hustler and
um, started doing magazines.
835
00:35:33,499 --> 00:35:37,135
My brother found out and, he
had tried to talk me into it
836
00:35:37,169 --> 00:35:39,438
many times, because everybody
always said Hey Buck!
837
00:35:39,471 --> 00:35:41,540
Can you get your sister
to do a movie oh my god!
838
00:35:41,573 --> 00:35:45,511
And, um, you know, we
never worked together,
839
00:35:45,544 --> 00:35:49,848
on set, but, we always
championed each other's careers.
840
00:35:49,881 --> 00:35:54,220
And so my brother said to me,
um, I want you to do a movie.
841
00:35:54,253 --> 00:35:55,621
And he set it up
with Sin City,
842
00:35:55,654 --> 00:35:58,624
it was actually done for
Sin City and it was called
843
00:35:58,657 --> 00:36:00,692
Babewatch, and it was for my
brother's Babewatch series,
844
00:36:00,726 --> 00:36:03,395
cause he said if you're
gonna do movies for anybody,
845
00:36:03,429 --> 00:36:06,465
you have to do, you have
to do one for me, sis,
846
00:36:06,498 --> 00:36:08,166
so I said okay I will.
847
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:10,369
And the sex was
real, you know,
848
00:36:10,402 --> 00:36:13,472
you'd say, how do
you want the blow-job?
849
00:36:13,505 --> 00:36:15,307
And he'd say, how do
you like the blowjob?
850
00:36:15,341 --> 00:36:17,643
And that would be
it, you know and that,
851
00:36:17,676 --> 00:36:19,177
we would build off
of that.
852
00:36:19,211 --> 00:36:20,812
You know, I was
the kinda person,
853
00:36:20,846 --> 00:36:22,314
it, I lived a
life of excess,
854
00:36:22,348 --> 00:36:25,517
and people would
invite me to parties,
855
00:36:25,551 --> 00:36:27,152
and they would think Wow!
856
00:36:27,185 --> 00:36:31,156
if I offer her some
party tools, then,
857
00:36:31,189 --> 00:36:32,424
I'm gonna have
my night set up,
858
00:36:32,458 --> 00:36:33,892
I'm gonna wind up
getting laid all night
859
00:36:33,925 --> 00:36:35,494
by this beautiful
porn star.
860
00:36:35,527 --> 00:36:38,830
And then as my addiction
went through another door,
861
00:36:38,864 --> 00:36:41,500
they'd hand me the bag
of coke and I'd wind up
862
00:36:41,533 --> 00:36:42,901
in the bathroom all
night, you know,
863
00:36:42,934 --> 00:36:44,770
and you wouldn't be able to
drag me out of the bathroom
864
00:36:44,803 --> 00:36:46,672
and I'd be like
don't touch me!
865
00:36:46,705 --> 00:36:47,739
and oh!
866
00:36:47,773 --> 00:36:52,878
And all of my life
started to kind of spiral.
867
00:36:52,911 --> 00:36:56,615
I wound up getting arrested,
um, on the highway,
868
00:36:56,648 --> 00:37:00,252
and the police knew
exactly who I was,
869
00:37:00,286 --> 00:37:02,721
when I got arrested,
and, they wanted
870
00:37:02,754 --> 00:37:05,190
to make an example of me
with the court system.
871
00:37:05,223 --> 00:37:06,558
They knew that I
was, you know,
872
00:37:06,592 --> 00:37:09,928
a big porn star, and
um, the gig was up.
873
00:37:09,961 --> 00:37:11,797
And I had to face it.
874
00:37:11,830 --> 00:37:14,199
And it was the greatest
thing that ever happened
875
00:37:14,232 --> 00:37:16,568
to me when I look back
on it now because,
876
00:37:16,602 --> 00:37:18,970
it really brought
me into reality.
877
00:37:19,738 --> 00:37:23,375
For the women, they're
much more damned by society
878
00:37:23,409 --> 00:37:26,312
because no matter how
sanctified they are,
879
00:37:26,345 --> 00:37:27,879
they're still
considered to be whores,
880
00:37:27,913 --> 00:37:29,615
and it's getting worse
and worse and worse
881
00:37:29,648 --> 00:37:32,451
because a lot of them
have turned to,
882
00:37:32,484 --> 00:37:33,752
what I am vehemently
opposed to,
883
00:37:33,785 --> 00:37:36,555
the escort services, to
further their career.
884
00:37:36,588 --> 00:37:42,227
In many ways, it has a
dehumanizing quality,
885
00:37:42,260 --> 00:37:46,298
because what you're
responding to are a set of,
886
00:37:46,332 --> 00:37:48,300
physical cues.
887
00:37:48,334 --> 00:37:50,402
You are
responding to the body,
888
00:37:50,436 --> 00:37:53,939
and you're responding to
the sexual acts per say
889
00:37:53,972 --> 00:37:57,343
in a way that is
quite animalistic.
890
00:37:57,376 --> 00:38:03,515
And, having a more full
depiction of the person
891
00:38:03,549 --> 00:38:08,487
may even detract from the
ability to use it purely
892
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:12,924
as masturbatory or other
kind of sexual stimulation.
893
00:38:12,958 --> 00:38:14,993
You can take
every other category,
894
00:38:15,026 --> 00:38:16,962
every other idea,
every other thought.
895
00:38:16,995 --> 00:38:20,432
Basically happiness and success
in life all boils down
896
00:38:20,466 --> 00:38:22,834
to what are the quality of
your bonds with other people.
897
00:38:22,868 --> 00:38:25,371
Having anything to do with
the adult industry hacks
898
00:38:25,404 --> 00:38:28,340
away those bonds, so you're
isolated, alienated,
899
00:38:28,374 --> 00:38:30,642
um, pushed away
to the margins,
900
00:38:30,676 --> 00:38:32,611
and not treated
as a human being.
901
00:38:32,644 --> 00:38:35,981
That's a recipe for disaster,
for me and for anyone else.
902
00:38:36,882 --> 00:38:40,285
Um, when I was in college a
couple of us on the dance team
903
00:38:40,318 --> 00:38:41,553
worked at Hooters so I
was working at Hooters,
904
00:38:41,587 --> 00:38:43,789
I love doing that, a lot
of the girls at Hooters
905
00:38:43,822 --> 00:38:45,791
were telling me how I would
make a lot of money stripping
906
00:38:45,824 --> 00:38:48,960
and then I had a boyfriend
in college who brought me,
907
00:38:48,994 --> 00:38:50,796
I went with him and his friends
to a strip club one night
908
00:38:50,829 --> 00:38:52,964
because they always used to
go watch amateur night.
909
00:38:52,998 --> 00:38:54,299
He's like I
think you could win,
910
00:38:54,332 --> 00:38:55,701
I think you could beat these
girls at amateur night
911
00:38:55,734 --> 00:38:58,670
so I entered and I won, I got
first place out of twelve girls
912
00:38:58,704 --> 00:39:02,307
in the amateur contest,
and I got $500.
913
00:39:02,340 --> 00:39:04,643
So I was like this is a really
cool job I get to drink,
914
00:39:04,676 --> 00:39:06,545
and dance
and make money.
915
00:39:06,578 --> 00:39:08,414
This is way better than
anything else I can imagine.
916
00:39:08,447 --> 00:39:10,649
When I was twenty-one
I used to watch a lot
917
00:39:10,682 --> 00:39:13,652
of those cinemaX movies
and so I went to uh,
918
00:39:13,685 --> 00:39:15,821
Blockbuster and I got
the address off the box
919
00:39:15,854 --> 00:39:18,657
of a cinemaX movie and I
mailed some Polaroids
920
00:39:18,690 --> 00:39:20,859
of myself and a a few
headshots I had taken,
921
00:39:20,892 --> 00:39:22,894
um, like, and just
pictures and I mailed it
922
00:39:22,928 --> 00:39:24,830
and I wrote this letter about
how I think I'd really like
923
00:39:24,863 --> 00:39:25,831
to be in the movies.
924
00:39:25,864 --> 00:39:27,666
And I heard nothing and
then three months later
925
00:39:27,699 --> 00:39:29,334
I actually got a
call from Playboy.
926
00:39:29,367 --> 00:39:30,902
Coming to this industry I
pretty much came into it
927
00:39:30,936 --> 00:39:34,072
thinking okay I'm going
to somehow be one
928
00:39:34,105 --> 00:39:36,508
of the most well-known
pornstars of all time.
929
00:39:36,542 --> 00:39:38,076
I wouldn't wanna come into
it and just be another girl
930
00:39:38,109 --> 00:39:39,845
that was around
for two years
931
00:39:39,878 --> 00:39:42,380
and then have to go be
a hooker. You know.
932
00:39:42,414 --> 00:39:44,015
After I did the Hus-
the Playboy thing,
933
00:39:44,049 --> 00:39:47,085
um, I shot for Hustler, the
next month I came out to LA,
934
00:39:47,118 --> 00:39:49,621
um, within three weeks
after shooting for Hustler,
935
00:39:49,655 --> 00:39:52,791
um, his wife and his
dau- uh his sister,
936
00:39:52,824 --> 00:39:54,025
or, his daughter, told me
how much they loved me
937
00:39:54,059 --> 00:39:56,795
and they ended up taking me on
the Larry Flint Freedom Tour.
938
00:39:56,828 --> 00:39:59,364
They chose four girls
to go with Larry Flint
939
00:39:59,397 --> 00:40:01,032
to like different Hustler
stores on the freedom tour
940
00:40:01,066 --> 00:40:03,101
and they chose me and
then Hustler had me,
941
00:40:03,134 --> 00:40:05,036
my very first day
being on the show um,
942
00:40:05,070 --> 00:40:06,638
a Hustler chose me to
sign at their booth,
943
00:40:06,672 --> 00:40:09,074
cause they don't have
contract girls they pick girls.
944
00:40:09,107 --> 00:40:10,976
And then a month later there
was a Magic Convention
945
00:40:11,009 --> 00:40:13,044
which is a clothing convention
and Hustler was launching
946
00:40:13,078 --> 00:40:15,714
their clothing and
Hustler had chosen me
947
00:40:15,747 --> 00:40:17,783
to be the model of their
clothing and they made,
948
00:40:17,816 --> 00:40:19,050
you know, pictures
of me modeling it.
949
00:40:19,084 --> 00:40:20,986
So I really didn't
think about life after porn
950
00:40:21,019 --> 00:40:23,054
because I just
couldn't believe how like,
951
00:40:23,088 --> 00:40:24,790
all these things
kept happening.
952
00:40:24,823 --> 00:40:26,458
I mean just the things that
happened to me as a new girl
953
00:40:26,492 --> 00:40:28,460
in porn don't happen to
most new girls I mean,
954
00:40:28,494 --> 00:40:30,395
I met Larry Flint um,
955
00:40:30,428 --> 00:40:32,764
pretty much my second
month in the business.
956
00:40:32,798 --> 00:40:33,999
So I didn't think
about life after.
957
00:40:34,032 --> 00:40:35,567
I just said--
I just always said
958
00:40:35,601 --> 00:40:37,102
I'm gonna get married
and have kids.
959
00:40:37,135 --> 00:40:38,804
I used to say
by twenty-seven.
960
00:40:38,837 --> 00:40:40,472
Now I say I wanna get
married by thirty
961
00:40:40,506 --> 00:40:41,973
and have kids
by thirty-two.
962
00:40:42,007 --> 00:40:43,775
When I was married
I only did girl-girl.
963
00:40:43,809 --> 00:40:45,143
I left my husband
and did boy-girl.
964
00:40:45,176 --> 00:40:48,514
Um, when I got back with
my husband at kickass
965
00:40:48,547 --> 00:40:50,916
I only did girl-girl
again, we split up,
966
00:40:50,949 --> 00:40:52,050
I did boy-girl, heh!
967
00:40:52,083 --> 00:40:54,686
Then I took like a hiatus
for about six-seven months
968
00:40:54,720 --> 00:40:55,921
and didn't shoot anything.
969
00:40:55,954 --> 00:40:57,155
And that's when
I met this guy,
970
00:40:57,188 --> 00:40:58,924
um, who's my, ended up
becoming my fiance,
971
00:40:58,957 --> 00:41:01,126
but we were dating, and
I didn't do boy-girl
972
00:41:01,159 --> 00:41:03,028
when I was with him for
the first six months,
973
00:41:03,061 --> 00:41:05,096
and then he was like, don't
you think you should go
974
00:41:05,130 --> 00:41:07,799
get a new porn contract
because that's extra income
975
00:41:07,833 --> 00:41:08,800
we can have every month.
976
00:41:08,834 --> 00:41:10,769
And I was like well,
you want me to have sex
977
00:41:10,802 --> 00:41:11,837
with other guys?
978
00:41:11,870 --> 00:41:13,438
And he was like well, it's
only six times a year
979
00:41:13,471 --> 00:41:14,973
you're gonna do it, and
it's with a condom.
980
00:41:15,006 --> 00:41:16,041
I was like okay.
981
00:41:16,074 --> 00:41:17,776
Then of course, like, two
days before the movie
982
00:41:17,809 --> 00:41:20,111
my ex was like, I don't want you
having sex with other guys.
983
00:41:20,145 --> 00:41:21,112
Arrrrg! Arr!
984
00:41:21,146 --> 00:41:22,447
Let go of me!
985
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:24,783
Your derrière may be pretty,
but that don't mean
986
00:41:24,816 --> 00:41:27,953
it's bull-worked from a
promiscuous lashing.
987
00:41:27,986 --> 00:41:28,453
SLAP!
988
00:41:28,486 --> 00:41:29,120
Ow!
989
00:41:29,154 --> 00:41:32,123
*
990
00:41:32,157 --> 00:41:33,458
Every two-and-a-half
months I'd have to shoot
991
00:41:33,491 --> 00:41:36,127
a boy-girl scene and er-
usually about two days before
992
00:41:36,161 --> 00:41:37,629
he would start being
really mean to me,
993
00:41:37,663 --> 00:41:39,631
and calling me names, even
though he was the one
994
00:41:39,665 --> 00:41:40,866
who wanted me
to do the movies.
995
00:41:40,899 --> 00:41:42,968
Then, on the day when I'd
go to shoot the movie
996
00:41:43,001 --> 00:41:44,970
he'd go out with his friends
and get really drunk,
997
00:41:45,003 --> 00:41:47,038
then he usually would not
kiss me or anything
998
00:41:47,072 --> 00:41:48,740
for two days later, then
when my check would come in
999
00:41:48,774 --> 00:41:51,509
he's like that's my check, I let
you have sex with other people.
1000
00:41:51,543 --> 00:41:53,144
And then when I would
be asleep sometimes,
1001
00:41:53,178 --> 00:41:55,647
I'd be asleep and I'd
hear him watching my movies.
1002
00:41:55,681 --> 00:41:56,915
He'd go and put
it in like slow motion
1003
00:41:56,948 --> 00:41:58,049
and make sure the
guy wore a condom
1004
00:41:58,083 --> 00:41:59,718
and I wasn't
lying about it.
1005
00:42:00,686 --> 00:42:01,720
Um, let's see.
1006
00:42:01,753 --> 00:42:03,488
The most I ever made in a
month was probably when
1007
00:42:03,521 --> 00:42:05,156
I was running for governor
because my website
1008
00:42:05,190 --> 00:42:06,725
was making around
twenty-thousand a month
1009
00:42:06,758 --> 00:42:09,928
and then my online store
selling t-shirts and buttons
1010
00:42:09,961 --> 00:42:11,730
made about ten-fifteen
thousand a month,
1011
00:42:11,763 --> 00:42:13,498
and, I felt really bad
cause I didn't have time
1012
00:42:13,531 --> 00:42:14,833
to mail'em all out
so I just ended up
1013
00:42:14,866 --> 00:42:16,668
not mailing people
their orders.
1014
00:42:16,702 --> 00:42:17,736
I feel really
bad about that.
1015
00:42:17,769 --> 00:42:20,171
Um, and then my contract
was six thousand a month
1016
00:42:20,205 --> 00:42:22,073
and I was feature
dancing, at that time
1017
00:42:22,107 --> 00:42:24,009
feature dancing used
to pay a lot more.
1018
00:42:24,042 --> 00:42:26,077
That was like, six thousand
for like, three weeks.
1019
00:42:26,111 --> 00:42:27,078
I dunno how much that is,
1020
00:42:27,112 --> 00:42:29,180
maybe like 50, 60
thousand in a month.
1021
00:42:29,214 --> 00:42:30,281
That's probably the most.
1022
00:42:30,315 --> 00:42:32,183
And then I won a game
show around that same time.
1023
00:42:32,217 --> 00:42:34,119
I won a game show Who Wants to
be Governor of California?
1024
00:42:34,152 --> 00:42:35,520
I won another
twenty-one thousand.
1025
00:42:35,553 --> 00:42:37,589
Um, that was great.
1026
00:42:37,623 --> 00:42:39,190
Um, I guess the most in
the year would probably
1027
00:42:39,224 --> 00:42:41,026
be around 300 thousand.
1028
00:42:41,059 --> 00:42:42,193
I mean I don't think I
thought I was set for life
1029
00:42:42,227 --> 00:42:44,029
I always used to joke
with everyone that um,
1030
00:42:44,062 --> 00:42:46,865
I'm either going to, just
make a lot of money
1031
00:42:46,898 --> 00:42:49,868
or I might worst case scenario
I'll marry a rich person.
1032
00:42:49,901 --> 00:42:51,136
That's what I always said.
1033
00:42:51,169 --> 00:42:54,239
(nervous chuckling)
1034
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:56,074
No one comes
into this business
1035
00:42:56,107 --> 00:42:58,644
to wanna be normal on
the back end of it.
1036
00:42:58,677 --> 00:43:00,078
Nobody thinks
that it's gonna end.
1037
00:43:00,111 --> 00:43:03,649
You jump on a merry-go-round
you hope the ride never ends.
1038
00:43:03,682 --> 00:43:05,884
I don't think many of them
can spell the word future.
1039
00:43:05,917 --> 00:43:07,986
I don't think they did this
as a short term investment
1040
00:43:08,019 --> 00:43:10,822
in their own future,
but they burned out.
1041
00:43:10,856 --> 00:43:12,057
Hookers are hookers.
1042
00:43:12,090 --> 00:43:15,160
I mean hookers are people who
are looking for a quick buck
1043
00:43:15,193 --> 00:43:18,596
with the least amount of
effort so they turn tricks.
1044
00:43:18,630 --> 00:43:21,166
And, uh, being a
porn star is just like,
1045
00:43:21,199 --> 00:43:24,269
uh, you know the, the
world's oldest profession
1046
00:43:24,302 --> 00:43:29,741
so, it's, it's not
that complicated,
1047
00:43:29,775 --> 00:43:31,777
uh, reality is hard.
1048
00:43:31,810 --> 00:43:34,680
A lot of people blame, blame the
industry for their problems
1049
00:43:34,713 --> 00:43:37,683
but, uh, then they get out
in the real world and find,
1050
00:43:37,716 --> 00:43:39,851
lots of problems
in the real world too.
1051
00:43:41,019 --> 00:43:46,958
I grew up in Pensilvania, um,
in the steel-mill towns.
1052
00:43:46,992 --> 00:43:49,127
Worked in the
steel-mills, I drove cabs,
1053
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,930
it was sorta typical
things, uh, people do.
1054
00:43:51,963 --> 00:43:54,933
There I did some
illustrations for magazines,
1055
00:43:54,966 --> 00:43:58,770
in New York and eventually,
started playing uh, music.
1056
00:43:58,804 --> 00:44:00,305
Did that for a while.
1057
00:44:00,338 --> 00:44:03,108
And then I came
out to California
1058
00:44:03,141 --> 00:44:04,710
and end up getting
into dirty movies.
1059
00:44:04,743 --> 00:44:06,644
(laughing) Just
met some people.
1060
00:44:06,678 --> 00:44:09,981
Actually I was gonna do
a uh, a photo spread,
1061
00:44:10,015 --> 00:44:11,850
I was gonna do some
photography of some girls
1062
00:44:11,883 --> 00:44:13,284
who were in the business.
1063
00:44:13,318 --> 00:44:14,986
I had an idea I would do
a photo shoot of them
1064
00:44:15,020 --> 00:44:16,822
and then
a little interview.
1065
00:44:16,855 --> 00:44:19,657
And, some people I knew from
illustrating magazines
1066
00:44:19,691 --> 00:44:21,326
in New York said yeah, we'll
see what you come up with,
1067
00:44:21,359 --> 00:44:24,062
if it's good we'll pay you
and everything so I met the--
1068
00:44:24,095 --> 00:44:27,632
these two girls, and,
before I knew it, uh,
1069
00:44:27,665 --> 00:44:30,702
I was, in the
movies! (laughing)
1070
00:44:30,736 --> 00:44:32,971
So that's sorta
how that started.
1071
00:44:33,004 --> 00:44:34,305
But you know when I
was working it was,
1072
00:44:34,339 --> 00:44:36,742
it wasn't like it
is today, it was,
1073
00:44:36,775 --> 00:44:39,210
I'd maybe work forty days
a year and maybe fifteen
1074
00:44:39,244 --> 00:44:41,046
to twenty days
were sex days.
1075
00:44:41,079 --> 00:44:43,148
And today they work
every day of the week.
1076
00:44:43,181 --> 00:44:45,050
Maybe twice a day.
1077
00:44:45,083 --> 00:44:47,652
You know, viagra shootin' up
their cocks and stuff like that
1078
00:44:47,685 --> 00:44:51,156
I mean it's just they're
ruining their sex life
1079
00:44:51,189 --> 00:44:53,759
for the rest of their
lives, I'm telling ya!
1080
00:44:53,792 --> 00:44:55,326
I just think there's
too much going on,
1081
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:57,996
I mean just your
personal appetite of it.
1082
00:44:58,029 --> 00:45:00,331
I mean, if you're
working as a performer
1083
00:45:00,365 --> 00:45:03,668
and you're working that much I
mean, sex loses it's mystery
1084
00:45:03,701 --> 00:45:06,337
in it's sense and it's, I mean
I remember being turned on
1085
00:45:06,371 --> 00:45:08,673
to a point some times,
certain situations
1086
00:45:08,706 --> 00:45:10,375
where I would
actually shake.
1087
00:45:10,408 --> 00:45:12,677
I mean I'm sure everybody's
been in that situation
1088
00:45:12,710 --> 00:45:15,046
and now that, I hate
to see that go away.
1089
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:18,950
I remember one time my dad
picked me up from the airport,
1090
00:45:18,984 --> 00:45:21,219
and I was coming in for the
holidays and he's, and he-
1091
00:45:21,252 --> 00:45:24,389
I had, my pictures were
in Hustler magazine eh,
1092
00:45:24,422 --> 00:45:29,127
they were on, about a movie
and, and I think I was
1093
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:31,729
(laughing) I was giving
some girl head!
1094
00:45:32,964 --> 00:45:37,235
And my father says, "I saw
that picture in Hustler."
1095
00:45:37,268 --> 00:45:42,040
I said uh, yeah, picture, that,
wasn't so good of a picture.
1096
00:45:42,073 --> 00:45:44,876
And that's all was
said! (laughing)
1097
00:45:44,910 --> 00:45:47,045
They never wa--
It was not something
1098
00:45:47,078 --> 00:45:49,280
I wanted to expose them
to because it wa--
1099
00:45:49,314 --> 00:45:52,083
you know it it, it's
embarrassing for them.
1100
00:45:52,117 --> 00:45:54,219
We were so proud of what we
did in some of these movies
1101
00:45:54,252 --> 00:45:57,956
we did that were-- that were,
that got really big play,
1102
00:45:57,989 --> 00:45:59,757
that I actually took
her to screenings.
1103
00:45:59,791 --> 00:46:02,227
We had these screenings
in these theaters.
1104
00:46:02,260 --> 00:46:04,329
And I'm taking my wife
there watching me have sex
1105
00:46:04,362 --> 00:46:08,066
with these people.
And, she was,
1106
00:46:08,099 --> 00:46:12,303
it was difficult for her
but, she appreciated
1107
00:46:12,337 --> 00:46:15,740
the work we were doing, but
after one or two times
1108
00:46:15,773 --> 00:46:17,909
it was like-- or we
did that, I said
1109
00:46:17,943 --> 00:46:19,410
hey we don't
do this no more!
1110
00:46:19,444 --> 00:46:21,913
She didn't wanna see any
pictures of me or anything.
1111
00:46:21,947 --> 00:46:24,015
Although she understood
what I was doing and knew
1112
00:46:24,049 --> 00:46:27,986
it was the thing that was
not gonna be, a situation.
1113
00:46:28,519 --> 00:46:30,155
Can I ask you something?
1114
00:46:30,188 --> 00:46:32,357
Those cops, they're
hung pretty good, huh?
1115
00:46:33,859 --> 00:46:35,493
Bet they ain't
got what I got.
1116
00:46:39,831 --> 00:46:41,299
Nobody's got
what I got.
1117
00:46:42,968 --> 00:46:46,104
So, yeah, I'd like
to retire and paint.
1118
00:46:46,137 --> 00:46:47,939
If I had a game plan.
1119
00:46:47,973 --> 00:46:50,141
I saved some money
but I wasn't that good.
1120
00:46:50,175 --> 00:46:50,942
No...
1121
00:46:50,976 --> 00:46:52,810
I didn't make that
much money though.
1122
00:46:52,844 --> 00:46:53,778
Come on,
what'd I make?
1123
00:46:53,811 --> 00:46:55,280
I mean I, didn't
work that much.
1124
00:46:55,313 --> 00:46:56,281
You talking about
when you were acting?
1125
00:46:56,314 --> 00:46:57,448
Save money when
he was acting?!
1126
00:46:57,482 --> 00:46:58,950
He just didn't
have any bills.
1127
00:46:58,984 --> 00:47:00,451
I didn't have any bills.
See I told you
1128
00:47:00,485 --> 00:47:01,819
I didn't have
any bills--
1129
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:04,122
And then he got me!
Ha ha--
1130
00:47:04,155 --> 00:47:05,056
Then she showed up!
1131
00:47:05,090 --> 00:47:06,791
I'm a high
maintenance, baby.
1132
00:47:06,824 --> 00:47:07,825
Then she showed up...
1133
00:47:08,927 --> 00:47:12,163
Even if it's not particularly
glamourous that day,
1134
00:47:12,197 --> 00:47:16,134
you go to work and
you get fussed over,
1135
00:47:16,167 --> 00:47:18,803
and if it's a big enough
production there's
1136
00:47:18,836 --> 00:47:22,407
a makeup artist there, and
there's, and there's attention,
1137
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:25,143
for people who like
attention, um,
1138
00:47:25,176 --> 00:47:28,813
and then they get paid!
The very same day!
1139
00:47:28,846 --> 00:47:29,915
Woohoo!
1140
00:47:29,948 --> 00:47:32,483
Now, my great friend
Lee Carol once said
1141
00:47:32,517 --> 00:47:35,153
as long as you got a cunt,
you'll never starve.
1142
00:47:35,186 --> 00:47:40,191
But, as a danger to that,
because, it wears on your mind.
1143
00:47:41,359 --> 00:47:43,561
My parents didn't take, really
an interest in my life
1144
00:47:43,594 --> 00:47:46,497
and I was also sexually
abused at nine-years-old.
1145
00:47:46,531 --> 00:47:50,936
I had a teenaged boy and his
sister who was my classmate
1146
00:47:50,969 --> 00:47:54,239
introduce me to
sexuality and uh,
1147
00:47:54,272 --> 00:47:57,408
for the first time in my
life and it horrified me.
1148
00:47:57,442 --> 00:47:59,410
Yeah, as soon as I
barely graduated high school,
1149
00:47:59,444 --> 00:48:01,846
which, I had to
cheat my way through,
1150
00:48:01,879 --> 00:48:03,881
my dad ended up coming
to me and saying listen,
1151
00:48:03,915 --> 00:48:05,550
you're outta the house, and
literally kicked me out
1152
00:48:05,583 --> 00:48:07,285
on the street with
no food, no money.
1153
00:48:07,318 --> 00:48:10,088
And so I'm literally
sitting out on the curb,
1154
00:48:10,121 --> 00:48:13,391
on Sherman Way, that big
tough rebellious teenager
1155
00:48:13,424 --> 00:48:15,026
was balling her eyes out.
1156
00:48:15,060 --> 00:48:18,896
And all of a sudden, this
um, beautiful black man
1157
00:48:18,930 --> 00:48:22,100
came over to me and
says, are you alright?
1158
00:48:22,133 --> 00:48:25,903
What's wrong, why are
you crying sweetheart?
1159
00:48:25,937 --> 00:48:27,538
"I have no money
and I have no food
1160
00:48:27,572 --> 00:48:29,274
and my dad kicked me out."
1161
00:48:29,307 --> 00:48:32,543
He put his arm around me
and I- I still to this day
1162
00:48:32,577 --> 00:48:35,380
can tell you what that
embrace felt like,
1163
00:48:35,413 --> 00:48:38,049
and he just said
baby I can help you
1164
00:48:38,083 --> 00:48:42,220
and I thought Jesus has
come to rescue me.
1165
00:48:42,253 --> 00:48:45,490
You know I really thought
he was gonna help me.
1166
00:48:45,523 --> 00:48:48,059
And he said there's a man
in the apartment complex
1167
00:48:48,093 --> 00:48:50,261
who would love to
make love to you.
1168
00:48:50,295 --> 00:48:51,262
He lured me in.
1169
00:48:51,296 --> 00:48:53,498
I went--
You mean have sex?!
1170
00:48:53,531 --> 00:48:55,566
He goes yes, but
he's really gentle,
1171
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:59,004
really nice,
and you'll get $35.
1172
00:48:59,037 --> 00:49:01,506
So, here I am
a single mother,
1173
00:49:01,539 --> 00:49:03,908
I've done
prostitution and stripping,
1174
00:49:03,941 --> 00:49:06,144
now for six
years I've had, uh,
1175
00:49:06,177 --> 00:49:10,448
I've been at gunpoint, I've
had stalkers try and kill me,
1176
00:49:10,481 --> 00:49:13,518
cops try and bust me, I mean
I've been in the mafia
1177
00:49:13,551 --> 00:49:15,920
basically for six years.
1178
00:49:15,953 --> 00:49:20,591
So, someone came to me says,
girl, why don't you do porn?
1179
00:49:20,625 --> 00:49:22,593
I said porn? What's that?
1180
00:49:22,627 --> 00:49:25,963
It was a lot worse than
prostitution, like,
1181
00:49:25,997 --> 00:49:27,432
there's a whole
crew around,
1182
00:49:27,465 --> 00:49:29,167
they're all stroking
themselves going--
1183
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:32,370
It was just totally degrading
and I went oh my gosh
1184
00:49:32,403 --> 00:49:34,639
this is bad,
this is really bad.
1185
00:49:34,672 --> 00:49:36,307
And then all of
a sudden like,
1186
00:49:36,341 --> 00:49:40,178
I can't explain it but all
the rage I ever felt from,
1187
00:49:40,211 --> 00:49:44,615
what my parents did, from
childhood, from like,
1188
00:49:44,649 --> 00:49:47,452
all the things that men abused
me with in prostitution
1189
00:49:47,485 --> 00:49:51,156
I just like, let it
out, on the screen.
1190
00:49:51,189 --> 00:49:55,293
He just said roll it and it's
like here I am the newbie
1191
00:49:55,326 --> 00:49:57,962
but I like, took over the
entire scene, it was weird.
1192
00:49:57,995 --> 00:49:58,963
I just went-
Rrrraw!
1193
00:49:58,996 --> 00:50:04,302
I'm Roxy! The porn star!
Like I was pissed!
1194
00:50:04,335 --> 00:50:08,973
But at the end of the scene
it just ended and I had um,
1195
00:50:09,006 --> 00:50:11,376
bodily fluids on my face,
and they just kinda went
1196
00:50:11,409 --> 00:50:13,678
here's a rag and they
just threw it and me
1197
00:50:13,711 --> 00:50:17,048
and I just grabbed
the rag and went.
1198
00:50:17,082 --> 00:50:18,483
And I didn't want
them to see me cry,
1199
00:50:18,516 --> 00:50:20,985
so I just kinda turned
my face and I was like,
1200
00:50:21,018 --> 00:50:23,488
oh my god, oh my god,
oh my god, don't cry,
1201
00:50:23,521 --> 00:50:25,323
Shelley, don't cry,
don't cry, don't cry.
1202
00:50:25,356 --> 00:50:29,360
Then now all of a sudden I'm
involved doing like anal, um,
1203
00:50:29,394 --> 00:50:31,529
gang-bangs with five or
six different performers
1204
00:50:31,562 --> 00:50:32,730
and I'm thinking
oh my god.
1205
00:50:32,763 --> 00:50:35,366
Now I'm bringing
big jugs of vodka!
1206
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:37,168
And everyone's egging
you on telling you
1207
00:50:37,202 --> 00:50:40,037
no, girl we love you,
we're your family now,
1208
00:50:40,071 --> 00:50:42,073
you're awesome, and
then, and there is
1209
00:50:42,107 --> 00:50:43,674
a family atmosphere
that they offer.
1210
00:50:43,708 --> 00:50:45,710
Porn star karaoke,
everybody hangs out
1211
00:50:45,743 --> 00:50:48,045
at the same parties,
wooooo!
1212
00:50:48,079 --> 00:50:49,247
Girl, I love you!
1213
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:51,082
Everyone's very affectionate,
and the reason why
1214
00:50:51,116 --> 00:50:54,119
they're so affectionate is
because that's their family.
1215
00:50:54,152 --> 00:50:56,554
Um, they're out, especially
in my day, we're outcasts.
1216
00:50:56,587 --> 00:50:59,724
In fact I still have
scars from suicide attempts.
1217
00:50:59,757 --> 00:51:01,426
And I--
1218
00:51:01,459 --> 00:51:03,261
I said I don't care, I
don't wanna live anymore.
1219
00:51:03,294 --> 00:51:07,198
And I took like thirty
prescription pills, and uh,
1220
00:51:07,232 --> 00:51:10,535
I didn't die, but I knew
I wanted out, bad,
1221
00:51:10,568 --> 00:51:12,537
and I remember crying
to God,
1222
00:51:12,570 --> 00:51:15,039
drunk off my ass
on Jack Daniels,
1223
00:51:15,072 --> 00:51:17,608
thinking if you get me
outta this I'll serve you
1224
00:51:17,642 --> 00:51:20,245
with my whole life, I swear to
god I'll do whatever you want!
1225
00:51:20,278 --> 00:51:21,512
Just get me outta this.
1226
00:51:22,313 --> 00:51:23,748
I mean, people who
are well adjusted
1227
00:51:23,781 --> 00:51:27,051
and have good life skills
and who are doing something
1228
00:51:27,084 --> 00:51:29,454
meaningful and constructive
with their lives,
1229
00:51:29,487 --> 00:51:32,123
they're not in the
industry to begin with so,
1230
00:51:32,157 --> 00:51:34,225
the people who are in the
industry are really broken
1231
00:51:34,259 --> 00:51:37,562
twisted souls without
a lot of great job skills
1232
00:51:37,595 --> 00:51:40,398
and uh, you know they're
turbulent souls.
1233
00:51:40,431 --> 00:51:42,233
So, they're
always gonna be
1234
00:51:42,267 --> 00:51:44,169
twisting and turning
in the wind.
1235
00:51:44,502 --> 00:51:46,137
We'd spent a lot
of time in church.
1236
00:51:46,171 --> 00:51:49,440
I actually convinced my mom to
send me to Christian School
1237
00:51:49,474 --> 00:51:53,744
when I was 14, she found a way
to gather up the funds,
1238
00:51:53,778 --> 00:51:59,083
and I went and I was very
involved in my church,
1239
00:51:59,116 --> 00:51:59,850
without her.
1240
00:51:59,884 --> 00:52:01,519
You know,
it was just, it was me
1241
00:52:01,552 --> 00:52:03,321
and my friends
and that was how
1242
00:52:03,354 --> 00:52:05,423
I grew up
and you know,
1243
00:52:05,456 --> 00:52:08,092
that all changed
when I was sixteen.
1244
00:52:08,125 --> 00:52:09,093
(laughing)
1245
00:52:09,126 --> 00:52:10,661
I spent the night
at a girlfriend's house,
1246
00:52:10,695 --> 00:52:14,465
and she, was a teenaged
mom, and married,
1247
00:52:14,499 --> 00:52:19,103
and her husband,
drugged me. With acid.
1248
00:52:19,136 --> 00:52:20,805
And I--
At that time I had,
1249
00:52:20,838 --> 00:52:22,473
I hadn't even stayed
up past ten.
1250
00:52:22,507 --> 00:52:25,109
So, uh, I didn't, I wasn't
really well versed
1251
00:52:25,142 --> 00:52:26,444
in the drug world.
1252
00:52:26,477 --> 00:52:29,180
And that changed
everything for me.
1253
00:52:29,214 --> 00:52:31,482
I did the best I could
to graduate high school
1254
00:52:31,516 --> 00:52:33,618
as fast as I could
and, and move out.
1255
00:52:33,651 --> 00:52:35,453
I was outta the
house by seventeen.
1256
00:52:35,486 --> 00:52:37,322
I knew some people in
the adult industry
1257
00:52:37,355 --> 00:52:39,657
and I hung out with them and I'm
still friends with them now,
1258
00:52:39,690 --> 00:52:41,459
I don't blame them
for hanging out with me
1259
00:52:41,492 --> 00:52:43,828
when I was young cause
they were young too, so--
1260
00:52:43,861 --> 00:52:44,829
(laughing)
1261
00:52:44,862 --> 00:52:48,599
Met a few porn stars,
and, just--
1262
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:50,401
Fell in love
with them.
1263
00:52:50,435 --> 00:52:54,239
I hung out with them
until I was over eighteen,
1264
00:52:54,272 --> 00:52:57,342
did my first movie,
and, you know,
1265
00:52:57,375 --> 00:52:58,509
it was on
from there.
1266
00:52:58,543 --> 00:53:01,879
Well, the first year that I
was in the adult industry,
1267
00:53:01,912 --> 00:53:04,715
and was doing movies I
worked for every company
1268
00:53:04,749 --> 00:53:05,983
under the sun.
1269
00:53:06,016 --> 00:53:08,419
You know the dirtiest of the
dirtiest kinds of companies,
1270
00:53:08,453 --> 00:53:10,821
that do crazy stuff.
1271
00:53:10,855 --> 00:53:15,526
I worked for anybody, I
could, to make a buck.
1272
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:18,863
I told my mom
and she flipped out.
1273
00:53:18,896 --> 00:53:22,433
She wasn't happy about
it but eventually when I,
1274
00:53:22,467 --> 00:53:24,902
you know, formed a career,
and I signed with Vivid,
1275
00:53:24,935 --> 00:53:26,837
and the pictures
were prettier,
1276
00:53:26,871 --> 00:53:32,577
and the footage was less
disgusting, ha ha ha ha!
1277
00:53:32,610 --> 00:53:36,414
Um, she came to terms and you
know, what's she gonna do?
1278
00:53:36,447 --> 00:53:37,648
It is what it is.
1279
00:53:39,717 --> 00:53:42,253
Being a Vivid
girl is, you know,
1280
00:53:42,287 --> 00:53:45,890
it's what every adult industry
actress wants to be.
1281
00:53:45,923 --> 00:53:48,793
You know Vivid's
the biggest best
1282
00:53:48,826 --> 00:53:51,696
and most well-known
company in the world.
1283
00:53:51,729 --> 00:53:52,763
They have the most
beautiful girls,
1284
00:53:52,797 --> 00:53:54,231
they have the
best photographers.
1285
00:53:54,265 --> 00:53:57,302
Um, they have
the best press.
1286
00:53:57,335 --> 00:54:00,405
And, (deep breath),
it's yeah, it's,
1287
00:54:00,438 --> 00:54:02,573
it's a high class
slew of girls.
1288
00:54:02,607 --> 00:54:04,709
I would think-- I mean,
of course you know,
1289
00:54:04,742 --> 00:54:05,776
it's as high class
as it's gonna get.
1290
00:54:05,810 --> 00:54:07,612
(laughing)
1291
00:54:07,645 --> 00:54:11,215
Um, it's a steady income,
so I don't know if
1292
00:54:11,248 --> 00:54:13,918
I necessarily thought I was
better than anybody else,
1293
00:54:13,951 --> 00:54:17,221
but I knew I was getting
the press that I wanted,
1294
00:54:17,254 --> 00:54:20,758
so, I was happy.
You know.
1295
00:54:21,292 --> 00:54:23,461
I took my movies
very seriously.
1296
00:54:23,494 --> 00:54:24,962
I studied my scripts.
1297
00:54:26,431 --> 00:54:27,732
Half the time
I wasn't stoned,
1298
00:54:27,765 --> 00:54:30,335
when I did the dialogue,
but I took my acting
1299
00:54:30,368 --> 00:54:32,236
very seriously because
it was the only time
1300
00:54:32,269 --> 00:54:33,738
I was ever gonna get
to do any acting.
1301
00:54:33,771 --> 00:54:37,908
So, I took it seriously!
And I loved it!
1302
00:54:37,942 --> 00:54:42,813
And um, I thought I was
good at it but, you know--
1303
00:54:42,847 --> 00:54:45,516
It just sounds so
cliche for me to say
1304
00:54:45,550 --> 00:54:48,586
I took the acting in my
porno movie seriously.
1305
00:54:48,619 --> 00:54:49,754
But, but I did.
1306
00:54:49,787 --> 00:54:53,458
And that was my favorite
part, was the acting.
1307
00:54:55,526 --> 00:54:56,827
And sometimes
the sex.
1308
00:54:57,294 --> 00:54:58,729
(laughing)
1309
00:55:00,798 --> 00:55:02,867
You can use drugs and
party and drink,
1310
00:55:02,900 --> 00:55:06,437
no matter what career
choice you have, but,
1311
00:55:06,471 --> 00:55:09,374
(deep breath), yes,
you're opened up
1312
00:55:09,407 --> 00:55:11,809
to the party lifestyle
a lot more.
1313
00:55:11,842 --> 00:55:13,511
I mean, you hang out
with rockstars, you,
1314
00:55:13,544 --> 00:55:17,715
you know there's always
porn parties to go to, um--
1315
00:55:19,316 --> 00:55:24,489
Me, struggling as an addict,
of course took advantage
1316
00:55:24,522 --> 00:55:26,023
of everything that
was there, you know,
1317
00:55:26,056 --> 00:55:27,992
all of the alcohol,
all of--
1318
00:55:28,025 --> 00:55:30,294
all of the drugs,
I did 'em all!
1319
00:55:30,327 --> 00:55:31,996
(laughing)
1320
00:55:32,497 --> 00:55:33,464
Um--
1321
00:55:33,498 --> 00:55:36,300
It's not a safe business
to be in
1322
00:55:36,333 --> 00:55:37,602
if you wanna
stay clean.
1323
00:55:39,036 --> 00:55:40,337
It's not safe.
1324
00:55:41,572 --> 00:55:43,340
Um, and I'm not
telling you this
1325
00:55:43,374 --> 00:55:44,809
to make you feel sorry
for me or anything
1326
00:55:44,842 --> 00:55:46,644
but I had an extremely
tough childhood,
1327
00:55:46,677 --> 00:55:49,847
and um, I think I got very
lost for many years.
1328
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:53,350
Um, I didn't know who I
was, like many people.
1329
00:55:53,384 --> 00:55:59,590
Um, I had a very warped
understanding of what love was.
1330
00:55:59,624 --> 00:56:04,495
And um, I think because of a
lack of love in my life or a,
1331
00:56:04,529 --> 00:56:07,498
an inability to determine
what love really is
1332
00:56:07,532 --> 00:56:11,669
I saw sexual
attention, as love.
1333
00:56:11,702 --> 00:56:13,904
And when you've suffered a lot
of sexual abuse in your life
1334
00:56:13,938 --> 00:56:16,607
it's understandable I think
why you would feel that way.
1335
00:56:17,575 --> 00:56:19,710
Trying to tell you...
1336
00:56:19,744 --> 00:56:21,679
at what point
I made the decision
1337
00:56:21,712 --> 00:56:24,515
to be Tiffany Million is not
something I could answer
1338
00:56:24,549 --> 00:56:26,884
really in just
one neat sentence.
1339
00:56:26,917 --> 00:56:28,919
It's kind of a
combination of things.
1340
00:56:29,954 --> 00:56:33,758
Essentially the whole reason
that I even got into
1341
00:56:33,791 --> 00:56:35,560
that business to begin
with was because I was
1342
00:56:35,593 --> 00:56:40,030
a single mother, like
many people, and um,
1343
00:56:40,064 --> 00:56:44,469
I was living in Southern
California, I had no family,
1344
00:56:44,502 --> 00:56:46,070
I didn't know
that many people,
1345
00:56:46,103 --> 00:56:47,738
her father wasn't
helping me with her,
1346
00:56:47,772 --> 00:56:50,641
and it was pretty scary being
a single parent honestly,
1347
00:56:50,675 --> 00:56:52,877
and so, I mean I
figured, you know
1348
00:56:52,910 --> 00:56:55,880
I had a choice: I could
work eight hours a day,
1349
00:56:55,913 --> 00:56:58,883
and commute an hour or two
each way on the freeway,
1350
00:56:58,916 --> 00:57:01,486
to make, seven
eight dollars an hour,
1351
00:57:01,519 --> 00:57:04,054
only to pay out
half of that in taxes,
1352
00:57:04,088 --> 00:57:06,891
and child care, and my
daughter's with you know
1353
00:57:06,924 --> 00:57:08,926
heaven knows who
during the day,
1354
00:57:08,959 --> 00:57:12,396
or I could re-enter the
adult entertainment industry
1355
00:57:12,429 --> 00:57:14,565
'cause I'd been a
stripper years before.
1356
00:57:14,599 --> 00:57:16,734
And then I thought, cause
I'd always been kind of a fan
1357
00:57:16,767 --> 00:57:19,403
of adult films, and I'd so
many times I had looked
1358
00:57:19,436 --> 00:57:21,939
at those movies and
uh, I'd thought man,
1359
00:57:21,972 --> 00:57:24,675
you know what I could do that
and I could do it better.
1360
00:57:24,709 --> 00:57:27,077
You know. And so I thought
well heck, why not?
1361
00:57:27,111 --> 00:57:28,913
I mean I didn't have a
man in my life anymore,
1362
00:57:28,946 --> 00:57:32,416
I left her father, and uh, I
definitely needed the money,
1363
00:57:32,449 --> 00:57:34,952
but really it just
afforded me a way to,
1364
00:57:34,985 --> 00:57:38,088
work as little as possible to
get as much money as I could
1365
00:57:38,122 --> 00:57:39,757
to be with my daughter
cause that's all
1366
00:57:39,790 --> 00:57:43,093
I really wanted I wanted my
daughter to have a great life,
1367
00:57:43,127 --> 00:57:44,995
and a safe home, in a
good neighborhood,
1368
00:57:45,029 --> 00:57:46,597
with good childcare,
and I wanted
1369
00:57:46,631 --> 00:57:48,132
to spend as much time
with her as I could.
1370
00:57:48,165 --> 00:57:50,935
And working in the adult
film industry allowed me
1371
00:57:50,968 --> 00:57:54,438
to work a day or two a week
and be with my daughter
1372
00:57:54,471 --> 00:57:55,840
the rest of the week
and make more money
1373
00:57:55,873 --> 00:57:57,174
than people than
worked, you know,
1374
00:57:57,207 --> 00:57:59,443
five days a week,
eight hours a day.
1375
00:57:59,476 --> 00:58:01,679
What you do in porn
films is not sex.
1376
00:58:01,712 --> 00:58:03,113
I mean I know
you're being penetrated,
1377
00:58:03,147 --> 00:58:04,615
but it's like this,
you know.
1378
00:58:04,649 --> 00:58:05,616
It's like this.
1379
00:58:05,650 --> 00:58:06,817
I mean that's
what it feels like.
1380
00:58:06,851 --> 00:58:10,888
It's just something occupying
um, a chasm in your body.
1381
00:58:10,921 --> 00:58:13,023
Really--
It's like this.
1382
00:58:13,057 --> 00:58:15,159
It's like this that's
what it might as well be.
1383
00:58:15,192 --> 00:58:16,694
Uh, there uh,
there's no emotion there,
1384
00:58:16,727 --> 00:58:18,829
there's no
feeling, um, you know,
1385
00:58:18,863 --> 00:58:22,166
you know, I gotta tell you
this funny little story!
1386
00:58:22,199 --> 00:58:23,834
I would have so many
fans come up to me
1387
00:58:23,868 --> 00:58:25,636
at autograph signings
whatever and tell me that
1388
00:58:25,670 --> 00:58:27,504
I was their favorite
porn star,
1389
00:58:27,538 --> 00:58:29,139
because all the other
girls were faking it
1390
00:58:29,173 --> 00:58:30,741
and I was the one
that they knew,
1391
00:58:30,775 --> 00:58:33,510
man, that I was for
real. (laughing)
1392
00:58:33,544 --> 00:58:35,646
And uh, and I can tell
when a woman's faking it
1393
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:37,181
and I'd be laughing!
1394
00:58:37,782 --> 00:58:40,517
Watch my face.
Watch my face.
1395
00:58:43,053 --> 00:58:45,222
(screaming)
1396
00:58:45,522 --> 00:58:46,991
'Cause I'd be like--
1397
00:58:47,024 --> 00:58:48,726
I'm the biggest damn
faker you ever met!
1398
00:58:48,759 --> 00:58:51,528
I mean I'm good, that's why
I get paid the big bucks.
1399
00:58:51,562 --> 00:58:53,163
Even when I was
in the business,
1400
00:58:53,197 --> 00:58:57,034
I didn't partake of all of
the extraneous activities.
1401
00:58:57,067 --> 00:58:58,869
Um, I think I went to
several parties only
1402
00:58:58,903 --> 00:59:00,204
because there was free
food and boozes,
1403
00:59:00,237 --> 00:59:01,872
and I would go and I
would eat and stuff
1404
00:59:01,906 --> 00:59:03,207
and then everybody would
go to the after-parties
1405
00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:05,710
and I'd be like nah, I'm
going home and going to bed.
1406
00:59:05,743 --> 00:59:06,711
(laughing)
1407
00:59:06,744 --> 00:59:08,045
I've always been early
to bed, early to rise.
1408
00:59:08,078 --> 00:59:10,748
I never wanted to be a
part of that scene and um,
1409
00:59:10,781 --> 00:59:12,082
even when I was
working in the movies
1410
00:59:12,116 --> 00:59:14,084
I always kinda felt like
a fly on the wall.
1411
00:59:14,118 --> 00:59:16,020
Like I know my
body was involved,
1412
00:59:16,053 --> 00:59:17,622
because,
obviously, I was there.
1413
00:59:17,655 --> 00:59:19,724
But I always had this
strange feeling
1414
00:59:19,757 --> 00:59:21,025
this real feeling
of disconnect.
1415
00:59:21,058 --> 00:59:22,893
Like I was up
here looking down.
1416
00:59:22,927 --> 00:59:25,630
When my father died in
94, uh like I said
1417
00:59:25,663 --> 00:59:27,131
he left me a whole
bunch of money,
1418
00:59:27,164 --> 00:59:29,199
and I suddenly realized
that I'm free.
1419
00:59:29,233 --> 00:59:31,068
I don't have to
be her anymore.
1420
00:59:31,101 --> 00:59:33,137
And I walked away.
And that was it.
1421
00:59:34,004 --> 00:59:36,206
No one puts a gun to
anybody's head to do this.
1422
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:38,542
If you're not warned
about what's gonna happen
1423
00:59:38,575 --> 00:59:40,144
then the person who didn't
warn you is the person who's
1424
00:59:40,177 --> 00:59:42,647
guilty in that respect,
but they're doing it
1425
00:59:42,680 --> 00:59:44,882
for the one thing that
they cannot deny.
1426
00:59:44,915 --> 00:59:47,885
That absolute death-wish,
for the recognition,
1427
00:59:47,918 --> 00:59:49,654
validation, and credibility.
1428
00:59:49,687 --> 00:59:51,822
And they're welcome to
it, but eventually
1429
00:59:51,856 --> 00:59:54,892
their past will catch up
to them and they have
1430
00:59:54,925 --> 00:59:57,995
to be aware of the fact
that X is forever.
1431
00:59:59,196 --> 01:00:03,567
When I got into the business,
um, I, did have a goal.
1432
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:06,136
It was my "cracked
out" goal. (laughing)
1433
01:00:06,170 --> 01:00:09,273
But I did have a
goal to, be out,
1434
01:00:09,306 --> 01:00:14,078
and retired, twenty-six, at
the latest twenty-seven.
1435
01:00:14,111 --> 01:00:15,612
Um--
1436
01:00:16,947 --> 01:00:18,683
And I was out,
by twenty-four.
1437
01:00:20,284 --> 01:00:25,155
I didn't leave the business
because uh, I wanted to.
1438
01:00:25,189 --> 01:00:27,324
I left the business
cause I felt I HAD to.
1439
01:00:27,357 --> 01:00:29,660
That it was the
right thing to do.
1440
01:00:29,694 --> 01:00:35,599
On November fourth, 1984,
was the first headline,
1441
01:00:35,632 --> 01:00:37,768
in the San
Francisco Chronicle,
1442
01:00:37,802 --> 01:00:41,138
regarding the heterosexual
transmission of AIDS.
1443
01:00:41,739 --> 01:00:44,208
A good friend of mine,
who was a mathematician
1444
01:00:44,241 --> 01:00:46,610
had read the same article
I did and he came over
1445
01:00:46,643 --> 01:00:48,345
to my house in the
afternoon and he said
1446
01:00:48,378 --> 01:00:51,782
"I've done some calculations
based on the numbers,
1447
01:00:51,816 --> 01:00:53,150
reported here in the story.
1448
01:00:53,183 --> 01:00:55,720
And you're in the wrong
place at the wrong time.
1449
01:00:55,753 --> 01:00:57,855
I want you to stop."
1450
01:00:57,888 --> 01:00:59,656
I had three jobs
lined up for December,
1451
01:00:59,690 --> 01:01:02,326
my wife said I don't
want you to do them.
1452
01:01:02,359 --> 01:01:03,961
And my thinking was look,
they're just trying
1453
01:01:03,994 --> 01:01:06,030
to sell newspapers, that's
what newspapers do,
1454
01:01:06,063 --> 01:01:08,899
they scare you, and so I don't
think the danger is
1455
01:01:08,933 --> 01:01:11,802
that real, and I'm gonna go
ahead and do these jobs.
1456
01:01:11,836 --> 01:01:13,337
So I went off and
I did the three jobs.
1457
01:01:13,370 --> 01:01:16,140
And when I came home,
and we're about to go
1458
01:01:16,173 --> 01:01:18,675
to bed, that night,
she said to me
1459
01:01:18,709 --> 01:01:20,044
"Do you think we should?"
1460
01:01:21,678 --> 01:01:24,048
Should? Should what?
Have sex?
1461
01:01:24,081 --> 01:01:26,851
"Yeah, do you think
we should have sex?"
1462
01:01:27,351 --> 01:01:29,653
And I said, what are
you talking about?
1463
01:01:29,686 --> 01:01:31,321
And she said, and I
can quote you verbatim,
1464
01:01:31,355 --> 01:01:32,757
I remembered
this all this time.
1465
01:01:32,790 --> 01:01:36,660
She said "Don't you
think it would be prudent,
1466
01:01:36,693 --> 01:01:40,931
if one of us remained
alive, to raise the kids?"
1467
01:01:43,033 --> 01:01:44,368
Pchew!
1468
01:01:45,369 --> 01:01:47,237
That was the brick wall.
1469
01:01:47,271 --> 01:01:51,175
Somebody had offered me
a DVD deal, and I--
1470
01:01:51,208 --> 01:01:52,709
I knew CD-ROMS
didn't do good,
1471
01:01:52,743 --> 01:01:53,778
I knew the laser
disks didn't do good,
1472
01:01:53,811 --> 01:01:55,279
and I thought,
uh, this DVD thing,
1473
01:01:55,312 --> 01:01:59,016
whatever it is, won't replace
video, so I signed it
1474
01:01:59,049 --> 01:02:00,851
without having a lawyer
look at it or anything,
1475
01:02:00,885 --> 01:02:05,756
and by the time DVDs started
taking over from videos,
1476
01:02:05,790 --> 01:02:07,257
I looked at the contract
and found out now
1477
01:02:07,291 --> 01:02:11,195
they have my DVD rights,
also had internet rights,
1478
01:02:11,228 --> 01:02:13,297
and the company
wasn't very good.
1479
01:02:14,731 --> 01:02:17,101
And once I realized I wasn't
gonna make much money
1480
01:02:17,134 --> 01:02:20,204
I stayed with Evil
Angel my distributor,
1481
01:02:20,237 --> 01:02:21,772
for as long as I could,
then when they stopped
1482
01:02:21,806 --> 01:02:22,940
doing videos that was it.
1483
01:02:22,973 --> 01:02:25,709
The ones that do well, are out
because they wanna be out,
1484
01:02:25,742 --> 01:02:27,411
not because they
had to get out.
1485
01:02:27,444 --> 01:02:31,215
And, they have made
their peace with what they did,
1486
01:02:31,248 --> 01:02:33,417
and that shows
in their bearing,
1487
01:02:33,450 --> 01:02:35,752
and the way that
they are, in the world.
1488
01:02:36,153 --> 01:02:38,823
The money that I did
save up went really quick.
1489
01:02:38,856 --> 01:02:42,893
Um, and then I was
just, scraping by.
1490
01:02:42,927 --> 01:02:48,232
And it was, um, it was the
Christian community that
1491
01:02:48,265 --> 01:02:50,835
really came alongside
me and helped me out.
1492
01:02:50,868 --> 01:02:52,069
There would be
times when I was,
1493
01:02:52,102 --> 01:02:54,071
didn't know how I
was gonna pay my rent,
1494
01:02:54,104 --> 01:02:58,108
and, somebody, it was just
people I don't even know,
1495
01:02:58,142 --> 01:03:01,311
just people who've read my
story, who wanted to help.
1496
01:03:01,511 --> 01:03:03,914
When I left the business
I sold my house
1497
01:03:03,948 --> 01:03:09,954
in Los Angeles, um, I first-
I retired, and then,
1498
01:03:09,987 --> 01:03:13,257
um, I decided, I need
to get out of L.A.
1499
01:03:13,290 --> 01:03:15,960
I needed
to get out of L.A.
1500
01:03:15,993 --> 01:03:20,865
I mean, everywhere I
went, McDonalds drive-thru,
1501
01:03:20,898 --> 01:03:25,335
um, nightclubs, the movie
theatre, the park,
1502
01:03:25,369 --> 01:03:28,772
Universal Studios,
I mean, you name it,
1503
01:03:28,805 --> 01:03:31,275
I could not, go anywhere.
I mean I don't know
1504
01:03:31,308 --> 01:03:33,277
how these big celebrities
deal with it all.
1505
01:03:33,310 --> 01:03:34,278
I mean they must ha--
1506
01:03:34,311 --> 01:03:35,412
They have to have
bodyguards of course
1507
01:03:35,445 --> 01:03:38,949
and stuff like that cause
I did not have bodyguards
1508
01:03:38,983 --> 01:03:41,118
and I could not
handle it.
1509
01:03:41,151 --> 01:03:44,021
It's impossible to lead a normal
life after you get out of it.
1510
01:03:44,054 --> 01:03:46,390
This is forever. This
is the scarlet letter.
1511
01:03:46,423 --> 01:03:48,792
And it, it never goes away,
you'll be dealing with the,
1512
01:03:48,825 --> 01:03:51,896
with the implications
of this forever.
1513
01:03:51,929 --> 01:03:53,497
What, (sigh),
1514
01:03:53,530 --> 01:03:56,500
what tends to happen is
that it isolates you.
1515
01:03:56,533 --> 01:04:02,006
And so you,
develop a, a fear of,
1516
01:04:02,039 --> 01:04:04,141
being rejected again
and again and again
1517
01:04:04,174 --> 01:04:06,843
and so you put up walls
between you and other people,
1518
01:04:06,877 --> 01:04:10,147
and you isolate yourself and
you don't join communities,
1519
01:04:10,180 --> 01:04:13,017
and, when you're isolated
you're less likely
1520
01:04:13,050 --> 01:04:14,151
to suffer rejection.
1521
01:04:14,184 --> 01:04:16,386
But you're also isolated
and living on the edge
1522
01:04:16,420 --> 01:04:19,523
so, um, you can never
get away from this,
1523
01:04:19,556 --> 01:04:21,391
there's no solution.
1524
01:04:21,425 --> 01:04:26,196
To go from being
uh, a movie star,
1525
01:04:26,230 --> 01:04:28,933
to zippo
the pinhead overnight,
1526
01:04:28,966 --> 01:04:31,868
was just like,
devastating to my ego.
1527
01:04:33,070 --> 01:04:35,339
If you're looking for a long
career in the porn business
1528
01:04:35,372 --> 01:04:38,408
you're probably
looking in the wrong place.
1529
01:04:38,442 --> 01:04:43,847
Uh, the average girl, might
be good for, two years?
1530
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:48,118
Two to three years tops
for the average girl.
1531
01:04:48,152 --> 01:04:51,188
If you're lucky and you're
one of the few superstars,
1532
01:04:51,221 --> 01:04:53,023
not very many of those,
okay then you get uh,
1533
01:04:53,057 --> 01:04:55,059
you know, six seven
years. Eight years.
1534
01:04:55,092 --> 01:04:57,394
And if you play
your cards right,
1535
01:04:57,427 --> 01:05:00,264
and do your financial thing
right, then you can,
1536
01:05:00,297 --> 01:05:03,067
you know, make some money
and set yourself up.
1537
01:05:04,001 --> 01:05:05,535
Overall I guess
I'm happy I did it.
1538
01:05:05,569 --> 01:05:07,871
I mean the only thing I
don't like is that, it,
1539
01:05:07,904 --> 01:05:09,906
the main thing I really
wanted to do is act and be
1540
01:05:09,940 --> 01:05:13,377
in comedies and tv, and I
feel like it holds me back.
1541
01:05:13,410 --> 01:05:15,212
But I don't know if I
would have just stuck
1542
01:05:15,245 --> 01:05:16,880
with the normal route
if I would've uh,
1543
01:05:16,913 --> 01:05:18,148
ended up making
it to tv at all,
1544
01:05:18,182 --> 01:05:20,050
who knows I'd probably,
maybe still be
1545
01:05:20,084 --> 01:05:21,585
in Florida going
to castings,
1546
01:05:21,618 --> 01:05:23,387
maybe I never would
have come out here.
1547
01:05:23,420 --> 01:05:25,222
So, and I've gotten to do
a lot of Cinemax movies
1548
01:05:25,255 --> 01:05:27,291
which are really fun too,
and all those things
1549
01:05:27,324 --> 01:05:29,926
I've gotten to do because
of probably the porn.
1550
01:05:29,960 --> 01:05:31,895
So overall I guess
I'm happy I did it.
1551
01:05:31,928 --> 01:05:34,064
Um, uh, part of the reason
we're her in Utah is
1552
01:05:34,098 --> 01:05:36,100
because porn is
illegal here, so uh,
1553
01:05:36,133 --> 01:05:38,235
it really helps keep me
from being recognized.
1554
01:05:38,268 --> 01:05:40,470
That and the forty
extra pounds I gained!
1555
01:05:40,504 --> 01:05:44,074
But um, now that I'm
losing that weight, um,
1556
01:05:44,108 --> 01:05:46,010
well I also cut off my
hair so that helps too.
1557
01:05:46,043 --> 01:05:47,344
But um.
1558
01:05:47,377 --> 01:05:48,912
Yeah, everyone's
been really cool about,
1559
01:05:48,945 --> 01:05:51,081
um, if they
find out who I am.
1560
01:05:51,115 --> 01:05:52,449
They've been
really good about it.
1561
01:05:52,482 --> 01:05:54,184
When I took Katty
to her new daycare
1562
01:05:54,218 --> 01:05:57,521
and they asked, if I had um,
reference names for like,
1563
01:05:57,554 --> 01:05:59,123
who to call if something
happens to Katty I said
1564
01:05:59,156 --> 01:06:01,025
I don't know anybody here, I
have no references, sorry,
1565
01:06:01,058 --> 01:06:02,993
and she thought that was
a little bit suspicious,
1566
01:06:03,027 --> 01:06:04,461
and so she
looked me up online,
1567
01:06:04,494 --> 01:06:08,532
I had given her the
name Asia Lemon, um,
1568
01:06:08,565 --> 01:06:10,267
and from that name she
managed to figure out
1569
01:06:10,300 --> 01:06:11,668
who I was and so the
next day she goes,
1570
01:06:11,701 --> 01:06:14,004
uh, you know I did a
little Googling on you.
1571
01:06:14,038 --> 01:06:17,274
And I was like Ugh!
(nervous laughing)
1572
01:06:17,307 --> 01:06:20,377
Miss Mormon Mommy of four who
did a little Googling on Asia.
1573
01:06:20,410 --> 01:06:22,646
I was like, so, you
still gonna watch my kid?
1574
01:06:24,314 --> 01:06:26,616
Well you know,
unfortunately like uh,
1575
01:06:26,650 --> 01:06:29,319
one of the reasons I like--
the fact that Vince Neal
1576
01:06:29,353 --> 01:06:31,455
has me playing his charity
tournament for his daughter
1577
01:06:31,488 --> 01:06:33,123
for children's
cancer and stuff,
1578
01:06:33,157 --> 01:06:34,958
and I played in
the Country uh,
1579
01:06:34,991 --> 01:06:37,227
Academy of Country Music
Awards charity tournament
1580
01:06:37,261 --> 01:06:39,963
this year and a few other
charity tournaments
1581
01:06:39,996 --> 01:06:43,367
cause it's one of the only ways,
that porn people can give
1582
01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:47,537
to charities, unfortunately
in this hypocritical world,
1583
01:06:47,571 --> 01:06:49,973
a lot of charities don't
want to accept money
1584
01:06:50,006 --> 01:06:51,375
from people that are
in the sex business.
1585
01:06:51,408 --> 01:06:54,311
"Eww, the sex
business we can't do that."
1586
01:06:54,344 --> 01:06:56,146
Politicians,
on the other hand,
1587
01:06:56,180 --> 01:06:58,182
who make us look
clean as hell,
1588
01:06:58,215 --> 01:06:59,383
no problem
taking their money.
1589
01:06:59,416 --> 01:07:02,052
Uh, unscrupulous
business men
1590
01:07:02,086 --> 01:07:03,520
who's ripping everybody
off, no problem!
1591
01:07:03,553 --> 01:07:05,989
But because we have a
little sex once in a while,
1592
01:07:06,022 --> 01:07:09,393
naw, can't do you and
that pissed me off.
1593
01:07:09,426 --> 01:07:11,495
I had one interesting
moment in baseball
1594
01:07:11,528 --> 01:07:12,496
with my son in little league.
1595
01:07:12,529 --> 01:07:14,664
I had told nobody
about my career,
1596
01:07:14,698 --> 01:07:19,236
and uh, one day the manager,
who was this big black guy
1597
01:07:19,269 --> 01:07:22,206
who was a Stanford graduate,
he comes up to me
1598
01:07:22,239 --> 01:07:26,176
and he goes, "Gonna be
some trouble today."
1599
01:07:26,210 --> 01:07:27,277
And I said what do you mean?
1600
01:07:27,311 --> 01:07:30,013
He says, "One of the mothers
knows who's you are."
1601
01:07:30,046 --> 01:07:32,682
He looks at me and he's
says "You know I knew
1602
01:07:32,716 --> 01:07:34,684
who you were the minute
you came on the field."
1603
01:07:34,718 --> 01:07:35,685
And he said I'll
tell you the truth.
1604
01:07:35,719 --> 01:07:37,354
He said "Anybody that's been
1605
01:07:37,387 --> 01:07:39,689
in Nina Hartly's booty
is okay with me."
1606
01:07:39,723 --> 01:07:42,526
(laughing) He says
1607
01:07:42,559 --> 01:07:44,761
"I will take care of this."
And he did.
1608
01:07:44,794 --> 01:07:46,530
MENSA's
a high IQ society.
1609
01:07:46,563 --> 01:07:50,700
You have to have an IQ in the
top two percent, to get in.
1610
01:07:50,734 --> 01:07:54,238
I got in, with a notarized
copy of my SAT scores.
1611
01:07:54,271 --> 01:07:56,306
MENSA didn't want link to
my website even though
1612
01:07:56,340 --> 01:07:58,208
they linked all the
member's websites,
1613
01:07:58,242 --> 01:08:00,210
because uh, of who I
was, and adult star,
1614
01:08:00,244 --> 01:08:03,247
um, so, that
was their excuse,
1615
01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:06,383
and so I made them a special
little webpage of Asia
1616
01:08:06,416 --> 01:08:09,319
just like, happy Asia, college
pictures and smiling Asia
1617
01:08:09,353 --> 01:08:11,721
and, just innocent
stuff and it's two pages,
1618
01:08:11,755 --> 01:08:14,558
and that's, so that's
where MENSA links to now,
1619
01:08:14,591 --> 01:08:16,226
instead of my regular site.
1620
01:08:16,260 --> 01:08:17,627
And they finally
acknowledged me
1621
01:08:17,661 --> 01:08:20,564
in their MENSA celebrity
issue which was,
1622
01:08:20,597 --> 01:08:23,099
a really big moment for me.
That was cool.
1623
01:08:23,767 --> 01:08:25,402
Wait,
how do you say it?
1624
01:08:25,435 --> 01:08:26,102
(inaudible)
Unprecedented?
1625
01:08:26,136 --> 01:08:27,171
Unprecedented?
It sounds weird.
1626
01:08:27,204 --> 01:08:28,172
Okay. (laughing)
1627
01:08:28,205 --> 01:08:31,641
I've done something
unprecedented that
1628
01:08:31,675 --> 01:08:34,077
nobody else in, the adult
industry has ever done.
1629
01:08:34,110 --> 01:08:35,579
Um, and that was
you know running
1630
01:08:35,612 --> 01:08:38,415
for Governor of California,
actually two times.
1631
01:08:38,448 --> 01:08:41,518
And um, it was amazing,
when I first started out,
1632
01:08:41,551 --> 01:08:43,753
the owner of my company
and I thought that
1633
01:08:43,787 --> 01:08:45,255
it was gonna be just
like a little fun joke,
1634
01:08:45,289 --> 01:08:46,356
see if I could
get some press,
1635
01:08:46,390 --> 01:08:48,425
maybe get on the van.com,
so when I went down
1636
01:08:48,458 --> 01:08:50,194
to the courthouse to get
my paperwork when we said
1637
01:08:50,227 --> 01:08:52,462
I was gonna do it, um,
Howard Stern Show
1638
01:08:52,496 --> 01:08:55,432
sent a camera crew down,
Channel 7, Channel 5,
1639
01:08:55,465 --> 01:08:56,600
all the news
shows showed up,
1640
01:08:56,633 --> 01:08:58,835
Associated Press, writers,
and that's when him
1641
01:08:58,868 --> 01:09:00,804
and I are like Okay,
I gotta get on that ballot
1642
01:09:00,837 --> 01:09:02,339
because this is
gonna be huge.
1643
01:09:02,372 --> 01:09:04,107
I'm going to get rid
of the car tax and
1644
01:09:04,140 --> 01:09:06,176
put a tax on breast
implants instead.
1645
01:09:06,210 --> 01:09:07,644
I will legalize
gay marriage.
1646
01:09:07,677 --> 01:09:09,779
And I will make sure
everyone who files
1647
01:09:09,813 --> 01:09:11,648
for unemployment
gets jury duty.
1648
01:09:11,681 --> 01:09:14,618
In other words, California,
I'll be a kickass governor,
1649
01:09:14,651 --> 01:09:17,454
so vote for me, Mary
Carey, on October 7th.
1650
01:09:17,487 --> 01:09:20,557
I mean, of course, some
of my platforms were very
1651
01:09:20,590 --> 01:09:23,193
tongue in cheek, and
funny but, you know,
1652
01:09:23,227 --> 01:09:24,861
when I was getting
towards the end of it
1653
01:09:24,894 --> 01:09:26,663
I realized that you
know I really wanted
1654
01:09:26,696 --> 01:09:28,798
to make a difference and
I felt like I really was
1655
01:09:28,832 --> 01:09:31,134
making a difference because
I was getting a lot
1656
01:09:31,167 --> 01:09:32,836
of people who normally
wouldn't follow politics
1657
01:09:32,869 --> 01:09:36,373
to follow, because of me.
And um, you know,
1658
01:09:36,406 --> 01:09:37,507
and then I was like
what if I win?
1659
01:09:37,541 --> 01:09:38,808
(laughing) But, you know,
1660
01:09:38,842 --> 01:09:40,644
coming in tenth place
is pretty amazing
1661
01:09:40,677 --> 01:09:42,178
out of a hundred and
thirty-two people.
1662
01:09:42,212 --> 01:09:44,314
When I was eighteen
years old, um,
1663
01:09:44,348 --> 01:09:46,750
I went to uh, real-estate
school, just everything
1664
01:09:46,783 --> 01:09:48,718
about real-estate
just I really liked,
1665
01:09:48,752 --> 01:09:52,522
so I figured that I would
always, do something with that.
1666
01:09:52,556 --> 01:09:55,158
I was working for
a builder, uh, a,
1667
01:09:55,191 --> 01:10:00,230
a home builder, here,
and, corporate,
1668
01:10:00,264 --> 01:10:03,533
came to my community
and shut the doors
1669
01:10:03,567 --> 01:10:04,734
and said we need
to talk to you.
1670
01:10:04,768 --> 01:10:09,339
Someone recognized you,
We know who you are,
1671
01:10:09,373 --> 01:10:12,542
and you are too
recognizable and it's a,
1672
01:10:12,576 --> 01:10:15,178
we're too
conservative of a company,
1673
01:10:15,211 --> 01:10:17,213
and we're gonna
have to let you go.
1674
01:10:18,415 --> 01:10:20,183
And so that was
right before,
1675
01:10:20,216 --> 01:10:23,253
that was a week before I
got diagnosed with cancer.
1676
01:10:23,287 --> 01:10:25,188
And the ones that got
out of this business
1677
01:10:25,221 --> 01:10:28,458
and now are being blighted
by the society that
1678
01:10:28,492 --> 01:10:29,759
jacked off to them.
1679
01:10:29,793 --> 01:10:32,462
Well the society are the
ones that's guilty for that.
1680
01:10:32,496 --> 01:10:33,763
They're damning them
for something that
1681
01:10:33,797 --> 01:10:35,432
gave them pleasure,
but they refuse
1682
01:10:35,465 --> 01:10:37,200
to admit that they got
the pleasure from them.
1683
01:10:37,233 --> 01:10:39,703
and that's a very very
sad state of affairs.
1684
01:10:39,736 --> 01:10:41,871
Now I was
starting to direct,
1685
01:10:41,905 --> 01:10:46,476
and I was hired, uh,
a couple months later,
1686
01:10:46,510 --> 01:10:47,711
to go to Germany to work.
1687
01:10:47,744 --> 01:10:50,947
I'd make about eight grand
or something like that.
1688
01:10:50,980 --> 01:10:52,282
Work eight days
or something.
1689
01:10:52,316 --> 01:10:54,884
And I didn't wanna do
this any more at this time,
1690
01:10:54,918 --> 01:10:56,553
I didn't wanna
do it any more.
1691
01:10:56,586 --> 01:10:59,389
So I left, said goodbye
to her, stood in line
1692
01:10:59,423 --> 01:11:01,891
two hours, and as I'm going
I'm saying I don't wanna go,
1693
01:11:01,925 --> 01:11:02,959
I'm saying to myself
I don't wanna go,
1694
01:11:02,992 --> 01:11:04,661
I don't wanna go,
I don't wanna--
1695
01:11:04,694 --> 01:11:06,463
And it just built up
and built up until I got,
1696
01:11:06,496 --> 01:11:09,733
finally got to
the point of where,
1697
01:11:09,766 --> 01:11:10,734
"May I help you?"
1698
01:11:10,767 --> 01:11:12,969
they said, you
know, ticket counter,
1699
01:11:13,002 --> 01:11:15,672
I said uh, no,
I'm not going.
1700
01:11:15,705 --> 01:11:18,775
(laughing) I took my
bags, I call up Kathleen
1701
01:11:18,808 --> 01:11:20,276
and I said baby
I'm coming home,
1702
01:11:20,310 --> 01:11:22,646
I don't wanna go, I don't
wanna go to Europe.
1703
01:11:22,679 --> 01:11:24,414
I'm thinking about the
trip and everything,
1704
01:11:24,448 --> 01:11:27,250
I don't wanna do this, I
wanna stay home with her.
1705
01:11:27,283 --> 01:11:29,586
So, that was pretty
much the last thing I did.
1706
01:11:29,619 --> 01:11:31,755
Really what got me
out of it was my husband.
1707
01:11:31,788 --> 01:11:36,593
Because, when I met
Ron, he had no idea
1708
01:11:36,626 --> 01:11:39,996
who I used to be.
Ron loved me, for me.
1709
01:11:40,029 --> 01:11:42,699
And you know he could
had a much younger woman,
1710
01:11:42,732 --> 01:11:44,534
he could had a much
better looking woman,
1711
01:11:44,568 --> 01:11:46,536
he could had a woman
with a lot more money.
1712
01:11:46,570 --> 01:11:48,338
But he fell in love
with me.
1713
01:11:48,372 --> 01:11:49,939
He didn't know anything
about that part of me.
1714
01:11:49,973 --> 01:11:52,709
And the fact that he
accepted me for who I was
1715
01:11:52,742 --> 01:11:54,711
and loved me
for who I was--
1716
01:11:57,381 --> 01:11:58,848
Taught me how
to love me.
1717
01:11:59,583 --> 01:12:00,550
Really.
1718
01:12:00,584 --> 01:12:03,887
And his love for me
has reconnected me
1719
01:12:03,920 --> 01:12:06,390
with the person that
I was before I EVER,
1720
01:12:06,423 --> 01:12:07,657
did any of this crap.
1721
01:12:08,725 --> 01:12:13,329
All of a sudden Mr. Right came
into my life, and I hated him.
1722
01:12:13,363 --> 01:12:15,365
Ha! When I first met him.
1723
01:12:15,399 --> 01:12:17,000
His whole life he was
raised in Christian school
1724
01:12:17,033 --> 01:12:19,836
from like, he went to the
same school, the same kids
1725
01:12:19,869 --> 01:12:21,638
from like kindergarten
to like twelfth grade.
1726
01:12:21,671 --> 01:12:24,808
He was like most valuable
player, he did sports,
1727
01:12:24,841 --> 01:12:26,342
his mom had
all these trophies.
1728
01:12:26,376 --> 01:12:27,477
She has
a book this thick
1729
01:12:27,511 --> 01:12:29,479
just on newspaper
clippings on him.
1730
01:12:29,513 --> 01:12:31,815
So I was like jealous
already I hated his guts.
1731
01:12:31,848 --> 01:12:34,484
He would like knock on my
door and I would answer
1732
01:12:34,518 --> 01:12:35,485
and go,
what do you want?
1733
01:12:35,519 --> 01:12:36,820
and he goes "I'm here
to clean your house."
1734
01:12:36,853 --> 01:12:39,322
And I'd be like,
what are you doing?
1735
01:12:39,355 --> 01:12:40,490
He goes "You're filthy."
1736
01:12:40,524 --> 01:12:41,491
Ha!
1737
01:12:41,525 --> 01:12:43,393
Like, cause I didn't
cook, and I didn't clean
1738
01:12:43,427 --> 01:12:46,362
and I was, and I was,
I was falling apart.
1739
01:12:46,396 --> 01:12:48,498
So he literally
cleaned my whole house.
1740
01:12:48,532 --> 01:12:51,935
With rags for me, and um,
I just stopped working.
1741
01:12:51,968 --> 01:12:54,003
didn't wanna prostitute
anymore and lie anymore
1742
01:12:54,037 --> 01:12:56,039
and we just hit it off and
the next thing you know
1743
01:12:56,072 --> 01:12:58,341
we're snorting meth, and
next thing you know
1744
01:12:58,374 --> 01:12:59,509
we're reading the
bible together.
1745
01:12:59,543 --> 01:13:01,778
And we're like
(sniff) dude!
1746
01:13:01,811 --> 01:13:04,581
Did you see like how like
God used Joshua like
1747
01:13:04,614 --> 01:13:06,516
to conquer all
those cities dude.
1748
01:13:06,550 --> 01:13:08,752
And he'd be like
(sniff) yeah and (inaudible)--
1749
01:13:08,785 --> 01:13:11,421
and like I, I mean we're were
just like so into the Bible!
1750
01:13:11,455 --> 01:13:14,357
And we realized that he had
went to Christian school
1751
01:13:14,390 --> 01:13:16,860
his whole life and was the
pastor's son so he had
1752
01:13:16,893 --> 01:13:20,730
a really great Christian
foundation and,
1753
01:13:20,764 --> 01:13:24,434
I didn't as much as him
but, he was so sweet
1754
01:13:24,468 --> 01:13:27,704
and he never once pursued
me sexually, so, um,
1755
01:13:27,737 --> 01:13:31,441
we ended up getting married
on Valentine's Day, 1995.
1756
01:13:31,475 --> 01:13:36,546
I met my husband in a pool,
in Hollywood, Florida.
1757
01:13:36,580 --> 01:13:39,783
At the Diplomat Hotel.
And he was married
1758
01:13:39,816 --> 01:13:43,487
at the time and I had a
boyfriend at the time.
1759
01:13:43,520 --> 01:13:45,889
And, he was in the
middle of splitting up
1760
01:13:45,922 --> 01:13:48,625
and I was kinda
done with it.
1761
01:13:48,658 --> 01:13:49,626
Little Trist.
1762
01:13:49,659 --> 01:13:52,729
And, I told him I was
in the middle of uh,
1763
01:13:52,762 --> 01:13:56,099
putting a webpage together,
and, he said oh okay,
1764
01:13:56,132 --> 01:13:59,402
and, it had to be maybe
three months after
1765
01:13:59,435 --> 01:14:03,573
I got my first website up that
I got an email from him.
1766
01:14:03,607 --> 01:14:04,908
We went out once,
that was it.
1767
01:14:04,941 --> 01:14:06,843
We haven't
been apart since.
1768
01:14:06,876 --> 01:14:08,812
Um, my husband died
in a car accident
1769
01:14:08,845 --> 01:14:10,514
driving home
from Las Vegas.
1770
01:14:10,547 --> 01:14:13,583
I had asked him not to do
this whole gig actually,
1771
01:14:13,617 --> 01:14:14,851
um, I was
eight months pregnant
1772
01:14:14,884 --> 01:14:16,586
and I didn't want him
away from me that long,
1773
01:14:16,620 --> 01:14:18,655
and uh, he's like
"I gotta do it honey",
1774
01:14:18,688 --> 01:14:20,590
but he tried, he cut
it down to two days
1775
01:14:20,624 --> 01:14:22,526
so he was really happy coming
home on the second day
1776
01:14:22,559 --> 01:14:23,993
that he was
all done with this
1777
01:14:24,027 --> 01:14:26,429
and he came racing home
to be with his pregnant wife
1778
01:14:26,462 --> 01:14:29,132
and he flipped the jeep and
didn't ever make it home.
1779
01:14:29,465 --> 01:14:31,434
Suddenly he's gone
and now here I am,
1780
01:14:31,467 --> 01:14:33,436
no more income and
all these bills to pay
1781
01:14:33,469 --> 01:14:35,505
and it was just like one
thing on top of another.
1782
01:14:35,539 --> 01:14:38,775
And so I, I just, I put
up a plea on my website
1783
01:14:38,808 --> 01:14:40,677
asking, uh, for donations.
1784
01:14:40,710 --> 01:14:42,478
I didn't know
what else to do.
1785
01:14:42,512 --> 01:14:43,980
No insurance,
no money, bills,
1786
01:14:44,013 --> 01:14:48,785
and my fans donated,
enormous amounts of money.
1787
01:14:48,818 --> 01:14:50,153
Um, the kids were
completely spoiled,
1788
01:14:50,186 --> 01:14:51,821
they got toys and
books and presents
1789
01:14:51,855 --> 01:14:54,724
and stuff with pictures
on it and just it was,
1790
01:14:54,758 --> 01:14:56,492
unbelievable it would
make me cry all the time
1791
01:14:56,526 --> 01:14:57,794
I would open all the mail
from all these people
1792
01:14:57,827 --> 01:14:59,529
I'd never met and it
was just, it was
1793
01:14:59,563 --> 01:15:02,131
really wonderful having
fans turn out to help me.
1794
01:15:02,165 --> 01:15:03,733
Because you know, I'd
been online for ten years,
1795
01:15:03,767 --> 01:15:05,001
they'd watched grow up
and I'd never asked
1796
01:15:05,034 --> 01:15:06,870
for anything before and
here I was I needed help.
1797
01:15:06,903 --> 01:15:08,004
And they helped me.
1798
01:15:08,037 --> 01:15:11,741
I faced those up and,
up and downs many times.
1799
01:15:11,775 --> 01:15:14,043
Certainly with my
real-estate practice
1800
01:15:14,077 --> 01:15:16,980
and the market and when the
market dropped in real-estate,
1801
01:15:17,013 --> 01:15:19,482
and now that the
market and, you know,
1802
01:15:19,515 --> 01:15:20,917
is dropping all the
way across the board
1803
01:15:20,950 --> 01:15:22,586
I mean the country
is in crisis.
1804
01:15:22,619 --> 01:15:24,487
Our whole
country is in crisis.
1805
01:15:24,520 --> 01:15:27,857
It would be really
easy for me right now,
1806
01:15:27,891 --> 01:15:32,929
to want to reinvestigate,
you know, porn.
1807
01:15:33,797 --> 01:15:34,898
I definitely
wanna have kids.
1808
01:15:34,931 --> 01:15:36,900
That's something like, I
was actually very depressed
1809
01:15:36,933 --> 01:15:39,202
recently because I,
I'm realizing that
1810
01:15:39,235 --> 01:15:40,670
I'm twenty years old
and I'm not married
1811
01:15:40,704 --> 01:15:43,039
and I have no kids. And
I really want kids.
1812
01:15:43,072 --> 01:15:45,909
And, I'd like to have at
least two. Maybe three.
1813
01:15:45,942 --> 01:15:47,844
Because being an only
child I always wished
1814
01:15:47,877 --> 01:15:48,845
I had a brother or sister.
1815
01:15:48,878 --> 01:15:50,113
I still wish I had a
brother or sister.
1816
01:15:50,146 --> 01:15:52,181
Like, you know I just,
that's something
1817
01:15:52,215 --> 01:15:53,216
I've always wanted so.
1818
01:15:54,718 --> 01:15:56,252
I have a gorgeous family.
1819
01:15:57,286 --> 01:15:59,623
My son is amazing.
He's my angel.
1820
01:16:02,892 --> 01:16:04,694
My daughter is the best thing
that ever happened to me.
1821
01:16:04,728 --> 01:16:05,929
She saved my life.
1822
01:16:05,962 --> 01:16:08,131
I want my daughter to have a
completely different life.
1823
01:16:08,164 --> 01:16:11,635
I want her to, go to
college is number one.
1824
01:16:11,668 --> 01:16:14,704
She's a great
student, she's a track star,
1825
01:16:14,738 --> 01:16:18,041
she's had to deal
with my porn life.
1826
01:16:18,074 --> 01:16:22,812
She, um, hates it.
She's embarrassed of it.
1827
01:16:22,846 --> 01:16:25,715
And, um, she won't let
me, she doesn't want me
1828
01:16:25,749 --> 01:16:27,583
to go to her
track meets, sh--
1829
01:16:27,617 --> 01:16:30,119
because she feels someone
would recognize me.
1830
01:16:30,153 --> 01:16:34,791
We're going to church now,
I go to church and I um,
1831
01:16:34,824 --> 01:16:39,128
have a strong faith, and
I have changed my life
1832
01:16:39,162 --> 01:16:42,666
and I want for her
everything that--
1833
01:16:42,699 --> 01:16:44,634
I, I don't want her to
ever have to experience
1834
01:16:44,668 --> 01:16:45,702
what I experienced.
1835
01:16:46,602 --> 01:16:49,105
In the moment?
Thank you!
1836
01:16:49,138 --> 01:16:50,674
For being who you are.
1837
01:16:50,940 --> 01:16:52,575
Cause you're a
pretty cool dude.
1838
01:16:52,608 --> 01:16:53,576
(laughing) Oooo!
1839
01:16:53,609 --> 01:16:54,978
Ooo, can I get
that in writing?!
1840
01:16:55,011 --> 01:16:57,080
Sure! I can give it
to you in writing!
1841
01:16:57,113 --> 01:16:57,914
Um.
1842
01:16:57,947 --> 01:16:59,115
You're welcome.
1843
01:17:00,616 --> 01:17:01,617
It's interesting.
1844
01:17:01,651 --> 01:17:03,653
I mean, what I'm sitting
here thinking is, I wonder
1845
01:17:03,687 --> 01:17:05,855
how many other people out
there can have this kind
1846
01:17:05,889 --> 01:17:07,123
of conversation with
their parents.
1847
01:17:07,156 --> 01:17:08,692
I mean most people can't
sit around and think
1848
01:17:08,725 --> 01:17:11,627
about their parents
having sex, or, um,
1849
01:17:11,661 --> 01:17:13,697
especially fucking somebody
other than their mother.
1850
01:17:13,730 --> 01:17:14,964
I mean that alone
would I think
1851
01:17:14,998 --> 01:17:15,999
irritate a lot
of children.
1852
01:17:16,032 --> 01:17:19,268
But, it's very, normalized,
in that sex is
1853
01:17:19,302 --> 01:17:21,104
a goody that
should be enjoyed.
1854
01:17:21,137 --> 01:17:23,773
Um, and when you can
differentiate between sex
1855
01:17:23,807 --> 01:17:27,143
and love and everything
that happens in between,
1856
01:17:27,176 --> 01:17:29,612
um, it's a huge gift
that you can give yourself,
1857
01:17:29,645 --> 01:17:32,882
and lovers and partners
and friends and family.
1858
01:17:32,916 --> 01:17:37,053
And I'm grateful that
that's, that's my world.
1859
01:17:38,054 --> 01:17:39,055
Wow.
1860
01:17:40,724 --> 01:17:41,725
I'm impressed.
1861
01:17:43,159 --> 01:17:47,797
She, is my role model.
She is my hero.
1862
01:17:47,831 --> 01:17:51,200
And, I think I
learned a lot from my mom.
1863
01:17:51,234 --> 01:17:54,003
She's gone through a lot
and I even tell people that
1864
01:17:54,037 --> 01:17:56,339
she's my hero and
she's my role model.
1865
01:17:56,372 --> 01:17:58,041
She's just like whatever,
I did it for my daughter
1866
01:17:58,074 --> 01:18:00,676
and now she's doing what
she wants to she owns
1867
01:18:00,710 --> 01:18:03,246
her own business, and no
matter how many people
1868
01:18:03,279 --> 01:18:04,914
talk down about her
she's still does what
1869
01:18:04,948 --> 01:18:06,649
she wants to do and
she's successful at it.
1870
01:18:06,682 --> 01:18:10,353
So, I guess she's
just a good example of,
1871
01:18:10,386 --> 01:18:11,888
don't let other
people bring you down,
1872
01:18:11,921 --> 01:18:13,089
just keep doing
what you're doing
1873
01:18:13,122 --> 01:18:15,324
and you'll be successful
in what you wanna do.
1874
01:18:15,358 --> 01:18:18,161
So. I'm very proud of you!
Just so you know that!
1875
01:18:18,194 --> 01:18:20,663
Please don't start crying
cause then I'll start crying!
1876
01:18:20,696 --> 01:18:21,865
I'm not gonna cry!
1877
01:18:22,866 --> 01:18:24,033
I will start crying.
1878
01:18:24,700 --> 01:18:26,836
And since my husband
died there wasn't a lot
1879
01:18:26,870 --> 01:18:29,873
for me to look forward to so it
was kinda nice to have that.
1880
01:18:30,373 --> 01:18:32,408
Mom,
your husband died?
1881
01:18:33,877 --> 01:18:35,378
(laughing) Daddy.
Where's Daddy?
1882
01:18:36,712 --> 01:18:37,847
Where's Daddy?
1883
01:18:37,881 --> 01:18:39,048
Up in the clouds.
1884
01:18:39,082 --> 01:18:41,851
There comes a point in our life
when family becomes first,
1885
01:18:41,885 --> 01:18:45,021
the first thing and the
question, the answer
1886
01:18:45,054 --> 01:18:48,691
to the question, it just
doesn't even take a beat.
1887
01:18:48,724 --> 01:18:50,960
Sometimes...
(unintelligible)
1888
01:18:51,928 --> 01:18:55,698
And we have the opportunity to
see our friends and family.
1889
01:18:55,731 --> 01:18:58,802
I think Chuck would
really appreciate,
1890
01:18:58,835 --> 01:19:00,870
that we're here today.
1891
01:19:00,904 --> 01:19:04,040
There was something uniquely
vital about Buck Adams that
1892
01:19:04,073 --> 01:19:06,075
could brighten up
the darkest moment,
1893
01:19:06,109 --> 01:19:09,112
and put a grin on the face
of the bleakest situation.
1894
01:19:09,979 --> 01:19:14,083
With a body that appeared to
be hewn from a granite block
1895
01:19:14,117 --> 01:19:17,053
of cement, and an intensity
that provided his fans
1896
01:19:17,086 --> 01:19:19,989
with a vicarious sustenance,
Buck Adams will always be
1897
01:19:20,023 --> 01:19:22,859
remembered as the guy who
got it up when it counted.
1898
01:19:24,027 --> 01:19:30,233
You know like I said, if you
knew it was gonna happen...
1899
01:19:30,266 --> 01:19:31,767
what would
you have said?
1900
01:19:33,136 --> 01:19:35,839
And you don't
always get that chance.
1901
01:19:37,173 --> 01:19:39,242
Um, but right now,
in my life,
1902
01:19:39,275 --> 01:19:43,146
I, regret doing porn.
1903
01:19:43,179 --> 01:19:48,151
I regret doing porn and
I never thought, ever,
1904
01:19:48,184 --> 01:19:51,988
that I would be,
who I became.
1905
01:19:52,956 --> 01:19:54,858
Houston.
1906
01:19:54,891 --> 01:19:58,761
I never thought I would be
so big and so recognizable
1907
01:19:58,794 --> 01:20:01,030
and just, I just
never thought that
1908
01:20:01,064 --> 01:20:03,466
it would turn into
what it did, for me.
1909
01:20:03,499 --> 01:20:06,169
And God
just says, Shelley,
1910
01:20:06,202 --> 01:20:08,437
I'm telling you,
you need to--
1911
01:20:08,471 --> 01:20:09,472
you need to trust me,
1912
01:20:09,505 --> 01:20:11,807
I've got something better
for you. I love you.
1913
01:20:11,841 --> 01:20:14,110
I didn't save your
ass all these years
1914
01:20:14,143 --> 01:20:16,279
not to give you
something better.
1915
01:20:16,312 --> 01:20:19,883
Well, like,
looking back, I didn't,
1916
01:20:19,916 --> 01:20:23,987
honestly I can't really like
go, on my computer and,
1917
01:20:24,020 --> 01:20:26,956
and look at stuff that
I used to do anymore
1918
01:20:26,990 --> 01:20:29,959
it just makes me, I
just, I'm so different.
1919
01:20:29,993 --> 01:20:33,129
I feel so different now
like, where I am in life.
1920
01:20:33,162 --> 01:20:36,832
It's really hard for me to
believe that I was that girl.
1921
01:20:36,866 --> 01:20:40,136
So yes, it has changed me.
For the better I believe.
1922
01:20:40,169 --> 01:20:43,072
The porn business
has afforded me
1923
01:20:43,106 --> 01:20:45,174
a very comfortable life
it has allowed me
1924
01:20:45,208 --> 01:20:48,144
to educate myself in ways
that I probably wouldn't
1925
01:20:48,177 --> 01:20:50,379
have been able
to do before.
1926
01:20:50,413 --> 01:20:53,983
It's enabled me to travel
all over the world and,
1927
01:20:54,017 --> 01:20:56,219
meet new and
interesting people.
1928
01:20:56,252 --> 01:21:00,823
And it's allowed
me to, have the,
1929
01:21:00,856 --> 01:21:02,825
have the cajones,
if you will,
1930
01:21:02,858 --> 01:21:04,827
to try new and
exciting things that
1931
01:21:04,860 --> 01:21:06,495
I probably wouldn't
have done before.
1932
01:21:06,529 --> 01:21:08,397
I would have
been afraid to do.
1933
01:21:08,431 --> 01:21:11,367
I have no fear,
to do anything.
1934
01:21:11,400 --> 01:21:14,170
You know because as
people we have to fully
1935
01:21:14,203 --> 01:21:16,439
and freely accept ourself
for everything we are
1936
01:21:16,472 --> 01:21:18,541
and everything we're not
cause if we have compar--
1937
01:21:18,574 --> 01:21:23,346
If we compartmentalize,
we're never a whole self.
1938
01:21:23,379 --> 01:21:25,581
You know. Especially in
like relationships,
1939
01:21:25,614 --> 01:21:28,952
we don't get to
bring our whole self.
1940
01:21:28,985 --> 01:21:31,554
What I am afraid of the most
is because I've lasted
1941
01:21:31,587 --> 01:21:34,090
so long and this industry
is now heading towards
1942
01:21:34,123 --> 01:21:37,360
its fourth decade of
presence on this earth,
1943
01:21:37,393 --> 01:21:39,195
that the people who
created this business,
1944
01:21:39,228 --> 01:21:41,530
the Eric Edwardses,
the Jamie Guillesses,
1945
01:21:41,564 --> 01:21:44,533
the John Lesleys, the great
pioneers of this business,
1946
01:21:44,567 --> 01:21:47,570
are not gonna be with
us, forever, and,
1947
01:21:47,603 --> 01:21:50,406
I'd hoped to be around long
enough to honor them
1948
01:21:50,439 --> 01:21:52,408
but I don't wanna do
it fast and furiously
1949
01:21:52,441 --> 01:21:54,978
because when they start
to fall by the wayside
1950
01:21:55,011 --> 01:21:56,412
somebody's gonna have
to remember them.
1951
01:21:56,445 --> 01:21:59,215
It's based on a line that,
"there is no future
1952
01:21:59,248 --> 01:22:02,118
if in the present we fail
to pay homage to the past."
1953
01:22:02,151 --> 01:22:05,388
But a lot of them are now
in their fifties and sixties,
1954
01:22:05,421 --> 01:22:08,091
some of them in their
seventies, and somebody is
1955
01:22:08,124 --> 01:22:10,559
going to have to be there
to tell their stories.
1956
01:22:10,593 --> 01:22:13,429
Eventually this
woman is gonna like say,
1957
01:22:13,462 --> 01:22:15,164
wwheeeeuuuheehehehuh.
1958
01:22:15,198 --> 01:22:18,401
And then when you're
eighty-five and you can't
1959
01:22:18,434 --> 01:22:21,104
walk no more and you're in a
wheelchair she's gonna say
1960
01:22:21,137 --> 01:22:23,406
"You remember when you
wanted to have sex all day?
1961
01:22:23,439 --> 01:22:25,308
Yeah, what do you
mean, you want what?
1962
01:22:25,341 --> 01:22:25,941
Bap!
1963
01:22:25,975 --> 01:22:27,076
What do you want?
Bap!
1964
01:22:27,110 --> 01:22:29,412
No no no, now I'm
getting back at you."
1965
01:22:29,445 --> 01:22:30,579
(chuckling)
1966
01:22:30,613 --> 01:22:33,216
I miss many things
about the business.
1967
01:22:34,950 --> 01:22:40,089
But, I guess the clearest way
to say it concisely would be,
1968
01:22:40,123 --> 01:22:42,091
the biblical phrase
occurs to me,
1969
01:22:42,125 --> 01:22:44,493
"when I was a child
I spake as a child,
1970
01:22:44,527 --> 01:22:47,630
and when I was a man,
I put away childish things."
1971
01:22:48,131 --> 01:22:50,499
I'm trying to think
of like Joe Nameth.
1972
01:22:50,533 --> 01:22:52,435
Joe, do you miss football?
1973
01:22:52,468 --> 01:22:53,436
Sure he does.
1974
01:22:53,469 --> 01:22:56,005
But he can't play
like he used to play.
1975
01:22:56,039 --> 01:22:59,275
He's, sixty-five
years old now.
1976
01:22:59,308 --> 01:23:00,609
I'm in the same place.
1977
01:23:00,643 --> 01:23:02,611
Am I happy I did porn?
Uh, yeah,
1978
01:23:02,645 --> 01:23:05,281
I really don't have too
many regrets cause I,
1979
01:23:05,314 --> 01:23:07,950
it's so much stuff came
out of it that was positive.
1980
01:23:07,983 --> 01:23:10,686
I got to travel around
the world, uh,
1981
01:23:10,719 --> 01:23:13,389
I met a lot of
interesting people,
1982
01:23:13,422 --> 01:23:15,358
I'm way over my
quota sexually,
1983
01:23:15,391 --> 01:23:17,626
uh, I think uh,
people ask me and I,
1984
01:23:17,660 --> 01:23:19,562
I guess the estimate's,
I've been with like,
1985
01:23:19,595 --> 01:23:21,530
three-thousand women
or something like that,
1986
01:23:21,564 --> 01:23:23,632
most of them were
awesome to work with,
1987
01:23:23,666 --> 01:23:28,003
um, still friends with
a lot of 'em, so uh,
1988
01:23:28,037 --> 01:23:30,005
yeah, overall it was a
hell of an experience.
1989
01:23:30,039 --> 01:23:32,075
Essentially I am living
my life right now
1990
01:23:32,108 --> 01:23:34,643
the way I wanna live it
for the rest of my life
1991
01:23:34,677 --> 01:23:37,380
and I wanna, I wanna die doing
what I'm doing right now.
1992
01:23:37,413 --> 01:23:38,981
How many people
can say that?
1993
01:23:39,014 --> 01:23:41,317
Well I am, that I live
here and I have a place
1994
01:23:41,350 --> 01:23:43,352
that I love this much
I think I'm as lucky
1995
01:23:43,386 --> 01:23:44,987
as anybody could be
on earth.
1996
01:23:45,020 --> 01:23:47,356
Far as, I mean, I dunno
what the hell t'ask for.
1997
01:23:47,690 --> 01:23:50,193
I'm happy.
1998
01:23:51,194 --> 01:23:52,595
I'm not
in a dark place,
1999
01:23:52,628 --> 01:23:56,999
I'm not suicidal,
I'm not doing drugs.
2000
01:23:57,032 --> 01:23:59,668
You know I'm not
self-destructive.
2001
01:23:59,702 --> 01:24:02,004
Um, but the last two
years has been a journey,
2002
01:24:02,037 --> 01:24:04,373
cause I was very
self-destructive before and,
2003
01:24:04,407 --> 01:24:07,376
I'm not saying it
changed overnight,
2004
01:24:07,410 --> 01:24:09,412
I still have
self-destructive thoughts,
2005
01:24:09,445 --> 01:24:16,252
but, um, I'm just in an,
healthier place all around.
2006
01:24:16,752 --> 01:24:19,355
You hear some people we
talk to who are leading
2007
01:24:19,388 --> 01:24:21,124
normal lives, and are
doing pretty good,
2008
01:24:21,157 --> 01:24:22,525
like how the hell
would you really know,
2009
01:24:22,558 --> 01:24:25,194
like, how would you know
what really goes on
2010
01:24:25,228 --> 01:24:26,695
in their life at two a.m.?
2011
01:24:26,729 --> 01:24:30,099
The torment, the, you know,
how would you know that
2012
01:24:30,133 --> 01:24:31,534
they're gonna tell you
about all the times
2013
01:24:31,567 --> 01:24:33,536
they've been rejected and
isolated and,
2014
01:24:33,569 --> 01:24:36,038
and the horror and
the shame that,
2015
01:24:36,071 --> 01:24:38,241
that their children
confront and that,
2016
01:24:38,274 --> 01:24:41,144
their spouses confront,
and the shame that
2017
01:24:41,177 --> 01:24:43,546
they've put their
families through and,
2018
01:24:43,579 --> 01:24:47,049
and the relationships that
have been permanently broken.
2019
01:24:47,082 --> 01:24:49,485
I mean all the, all the
burned bridges behind them
2020
01:24:49,518 --> 01:24:50,719
because they've
done sex work.
2021
01:24:50,753 --> 01:24:52,388
You know most families
aren't proud
2022
01:24:52,421 --> 01:24:54,157
when their daughters
become hookers.
2023
01:24:54,623 --> 01:24:59,395
I think the difference between
me and the other girls
2024
01:24:59,428 --> 01:25:03,132
in the industry was
that I've really,
2025
01:25:03,166 --> 01:25:06,569
enjoyed being there and
um, not just the sex
2026
01:25:06,602 --> 01:25:09,672
I mean I, used it to better
myself as a person.
2027
01:25:09,705 --> 01:25:12,575
I never let the industry take
advantage of me in any way.
2028
01:25:12,608 --> 01:25:14,743
I always took
advantage of the industry.
2029
01:25:14,777 --> 01:25:17,146
I made phenomenal amounts of
money I've produced movies,
2030
01:25:17,180 --> 01:25:19,815
I wrote movies,
I starred in them,
2031
01:25:19,848 --> 01:25:21,184
hell people were
paying me hundreds
2032
01:25:21,217 --> 01:25:22,585
of dollars an hour
to sign autographs?
2033
01:25:22,618 --> 01:25:24,420
Woo hoo! I'm up,
I'm with this!
2034
01:25:24,453 --> 01:25:26,655
Um, I just, I- I ...
2035
01:25:26,689 --> 01:25:28,591
The other girls leave with
a bad taste in their mouth
2036
01:25:28,624 --> 01:25:31,460
and they- and I just,
I have nothing
2037
01:25:31,494 --> 01:25:33,095
but good memories
when I look back.
2038
01:25:33,128 --> 01:25:35,198
And right now if I wanted
to go back into porn
2039
01:25:35,231 --> 01:25:36,599
I could probably go get a
contract almost at any company
2040
01:25:36,632 --> 01:25:38,501
and still just do straight
boy-girl scenes.
2041
01:25:38,534 --> 01:25:39,802
And if I really wanted
to when I'm thirty-two
2042
01:25:39,835 --> 01:25:41,537
if I wanna go back to porn
and because I'm really broke
2043
01:25:41,570 --> 01:25:43,606
maybe let's say,
hopefully it won't happen,
2044
01:25:43,639 --> 01:25:45,674
I would tell a porn
company guess what,
2045
01:25:45,708 --> 01:25:47,610
I'm gonna come back and
do two guys and do anal.
2046
01:25:47,643 --> 01:25:50,213
If I'm thirty-five and really
poor I need to do porn,
2047
01:25:50,246 --> 01:25:52,781
I'll tell 'em I'll do, you
know, a black guy. Heh!
2048
01:25:52,815 --> 01:25:54,783
There isn't that
much of a future
2049
01:25:54,817 --> 01:25:57,720
after the x-rated industry
because somehow,
2050
01:25:57,753 --> 01:25:59,722
somewhere, somebody
will find you.
2051
01:25:59,755 --> 01:26:01,557
The famous line I used
to say to anybody
2052
01:26:01,590 --> 01:26:04,126
walking into my office when
I ran the biggest agency,
2053
01:26:04,159 --> 01:26:05,394
what are you gonna do
ten years from now
2054
01:26:05,428 --> 01:26:07,196
when your kid brings
home a magazine
2055
01:26:07,230 --> 01:26:08,297
with you laying in
the middle of it
2056
01:26:08,331 --> 01:26:09,532
with a candle shoved
up your ass?
2057
01:26:09,565 --> 01:26:10,533
You gonna tell'em
you were playing
2058
01:26:10,566 --> 01:26:11,800
the part
of a birthday cake?
2059
01:26:11,834 --> 01:26:13,836
It doesn't go away.
2060
01:26:15,170 --> 01:26:16,872
My husband and my
son changed my life.
2061
01:26:20,509 --> 01:26:22,345
And my son saved my life.
2062
01:26:23,246 --> 01:26:28,217
(sigh) And looking
at him every day,
2063
01:26:28,251 --> 01:26:33,155
reminds me how
precious life is.
2064
01:26:33,188 --> 01:26:37,660
And how throwing it
away on drug and alcohol,
2065
01:26:37,693 --> 01:26:40,663
just this stupid
crap that's out there,
2066
01:26:40,696 --> 01:26:43,932
god, it's just so not
worth it. You know?
2067
01:26:44,233 --> 01:26:46,235
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