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{\an3}The Hammer men,
you just don't know what's hiding
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{\an3}behind their personality
or behind their demeanor.
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{\an3}And it's really apparent with Armie.
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{\an3}What's coming out publicly,
about the love bombing
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{\an3}and the texting, and the controlling.
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{\an3}I'm not surprised by any of that.
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{\an3}And it weirds and scares a lot of people.
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{\an3}But for me, it's really familiar.
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{\an3}If you believe about making deals
with the devil,
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{\an3}the Hammers are top of the totem pole.
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{\an3}After the documentary was announced
and before we started filming,
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{\an8}I received a text
and it was a friend. She said,
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{\an8}"Casey, be careful.
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{\an8}Seems to me that you are opening
Pandora's box.
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{\an8}Don't go out after dark.
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{\an8}Always check to make sure
you're not being followed.
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{\an3}Keep your name off a mailbox,
unlisted phone,
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{\an3}watch your surroundings
for a stranger's face
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{\an3}that appears more than once.
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{\an3}Be "aware" and "beware."
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{\an3}I have this reoccurring dream.
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{\an3}It starts with this motel sign.
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{\an3}But in my dream,
the motel just keeps going.
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{\an3}Something worse is happening
in each room.
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{\an3}And I can't get the fuck out.
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{\an3}And there's no way out.
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{\an3}So you have to go through
the whole thing again.
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{\an8}The scenario with the ropes in Sedona
was six days before I met his mom.
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{\an8}After that, it was horrible.
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{\an3}I completely disassociated.
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{\an3}I wanted to get as far away from him,
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{\an3}as far away from what had happened.
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{\an3}I always keep a journal.
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{\an3}This piece is something I wrote on my way
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{\an3}to my first treatment center
on October 5th.
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{\an3}This was on the plane,
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{\an3}"It's 2:25 on the flight to rehab.
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{\an3}Not sure why the fuck I'm going here.
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{\an3}All I know is I don't give a fuck
what happens to me.
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{\an3}I don't want to die, I don't think.
But I'm not trying not to.
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{\an3}I don't see a way out of this one.
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{\an3}I surrendered to him 100%.
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{\an3}Gave him anything good I had left.
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{\an3}What in the fuck is wrong with you?
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{\an3}He used me in every way possible
for months.
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{\an3}And I fucking let him,
I feel absolutely numb
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{\an3}and small and disgusting and ugly."
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{\an3}While I was in rehab,
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{\an3}some idiot texted me,
"Armie has a new girlfriend."
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{\an3}And I looked her up.
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{\an3}The first thing I thought,
she was really young.
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{\an3}She's gorgeous.
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{\an3}But she posted a picture.
It was kind of a lingerie picture.
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{\an3}She had bruises all over her arms,
her chest, her legs.
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{\an3}I could see the bruises,
and I knew what that picture was.
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{\an3}He says wear it like a badge of honor.
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{\an3}My heart fucking sank because I was like,
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{\an3}he'll do this to somebody
who's 22 years old.
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{\an3}What he just did to me. I was 30.
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{\an3}She's 22.
I know how it is in the beginning.
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{\an3}And I just like I knew
what she felt at the time.
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{\an3}She looked so happy, like I was there.
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{\an3}He was on to the next one
who's younger, maybe more naive,
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{\an3}maybe more impressed with his fame.
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{\an3}It was, he was off to do it to her.
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{\an3}I had just got out
of a two-year-long relationship
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{\an3}and I moved to LA.
I'd never been to LA before.
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{\an3}That was my second time ever going.
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{\an3}My first impressions of him
were charming,
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{\an3}he captivated the room.
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{\an3}He was just full of life, loving,
charismatic, kind of the person
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{\an3}that we see in the interviews
and the person that we see on screen.
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{\an3}He really was so all consuming,
and he made me feel like
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{\an3}it was a safe space, and this was normal.
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{\an3}It felt like it was going to be fun
and sexy.
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{\an3}He carried safety pins, Shibari rope,
knives,
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{\an3}like a paddle, a lot of the BDSM tools.
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{\an3}He would always travel with it
wherever he went
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{\an3}and whenever he came over
to my home in LA.
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{\an3}He said he wanted to find a doctor
in Los Angeles to remove my ribs.
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{\an3}He wanted to eat my ribs,
he wanted to smoke them.
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{\an3}He's obsessed with meat.
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{\an3}I brushed it off, but I do believe
that he was serious.
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{\an3}He would set up things
called "high protocol nights."
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{\an3}You set up a night with strict rules
and it's all built around
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{\an3}inflicting pain on the submissive one
in the relationship, which was me.
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{\an8}I didn't know what BDSM was.
So I thought that that was normal.
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{\an8}To me, it's obvious that Armie Hammer
chose people
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{\an3}who didn't have any experience in BDSM
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{\an3}because it gives him an advantage
to prey upon these people.
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{\an3}They're more easily coerced because
they don't know what BDSM really is.
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{\an3}I had no idea what I was getting into
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{\an3}and looking back,
it's like very dangerous.
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{\an3}The traditional motto of BDSM is
"safe, sane and consensual."
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{\an3}Most commonly
in the dom/sub relationship,
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{\an3}the scenes are all centered
around the sub's fantasies.
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{\an3}Safety and trust are right there.
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{\an3}It's the foundation
of the BDSM relationship.
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{\an3}On one of these high protocol nights,
I was tied up
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{\an3}and he basically looked over my body
and said to me,
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{\an3}"Where should I put my initials on you?"
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{\an3}And then he just started
to carve his initial into me
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{\an3}and I just didn't say anything.
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{\an3}It was bleeding and he was licking it,
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{\an3}drinking kind of like the blood.
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{\an3}Yeah. That's heavy.
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{\an3}The part that stands out is
him coming to her
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{\an3}and said, where should I put my initials?
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{\an3}And then he just proceeded to cut her.
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{\an3}So there was no negotiations
before the scene about it.
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{\an3}She is in a very vulnerable position
because she is feeling submissive.
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{\an3}She's in a state of wanting
to please him.
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{\an3}She doesn't want to say no.
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{\an3}I was in a weak position.
He was in a position of power.
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{\an3}He knew how uncomfortable it made me,
but I just never said no.
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{\an3}I think being coerced into things
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{\an3}and we don't want to say no,
we don't want to be undesirable.
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{\an3}It's traumatizing.
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{\an3}I was vulnerable.
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{\an3}I was groomed by him.
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{\an3}Someone who's getting off
on somebody else's fear,
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{\an3}when that person
feels uncomfortable about it,
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{\an3}is not a kinkster doing BDSM.
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{\an3}That person is an abuser.
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{\an3}That's very sad to think about
when you look back
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{\an3}you realize
it was abuse and manipulation.
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{\an3}It wasn't somebody that cared for you
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{\an3}and you fell into their trap
so gracefully.
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{\an3}When the abuse allegations came out,
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{\an3}it was a mixture of shocked
and not shocked.
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{\an8}I had an opportunity to work
with Armie Hammer.
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{\an8}What I had experienced was nothing
compared to what
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{\an3}they had experienced,
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{\an3}but the same kind of qualities
were there.
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{\an3}Basically every story I have to tell
about him can be rooted in
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{\an3}I control you because you're my employee.
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{\an3}Armie puts on this beautiful face
to everybody.
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{\an3}We're trying to make a damn movie.
Everybody needs to calm down.
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{\an3}You could work with him the entire movie
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{\an3}and never see through that façade.
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{\an3}Behind closed doors, it's different.
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{\an3}There was one instance where
he told me this old friend of his
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{\an3}was coming
and he wanted me to go to airport
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{\an3}and hold up a sign in the airport
that said, "faggot."
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{\an3}I have chills thinking about it
right now.
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{\an3}If I said no to him about something,
he'd try and find ways to shame me,
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{\an3}and this time he took a poll
from everybody.
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{\an3}Should I fire him because
he won't do what I told him to do?
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{\an3}It was a big joke or whatever,
and he kept really pushing
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{\an3}because he thought it'd be funny.
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{\an3}We ended up at a strip club once.
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{\an3}10:00 a.m. on a Tuesday.
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{\an3}Me and Armie and other actors
and other crew members
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{\an3}and lording his position
and my position over my head,
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{\an3}forced me into getting a lap dance.
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{\an3}I was very against it,
I didn't want to do it,
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{\an3}I felt incredibly uncomfortable,
but he basically ended up again
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{\an3}saying, "I'm your superior,
you need to do this."
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{\an3}And so he made me believe
that I had no choice.
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{\an3}I could have walked away
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{\an3}but you just get scared
of the stature of it all,
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{\an3}the job title and the person.
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{\an3}- Do you do dangerous things?
- Yeah, I like to.
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{\an3}It just snowballed.
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{\an3}We would get into his car
and we would do 140 miles an hour,
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{\an3}like through residential streets
while he was inebriated.
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{\an3}And it would scare me like crazy.
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{\an3}My wife was convinced
that I had what she called
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{\an3}a frontal lobe issue, which I guess,
she says that's where you assess risk
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{\an3}and danger. And she says
mine is just severely underdeveloped.
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{\an3}It was this daredevil machismo
and exerting power.
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{\an3}I want to be helpful to people
that need it.
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{\an3}There are a lot of women
that have had their lives
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{\an3}irreparably damaged by all of this.
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{\an3}It's like Dante's Inferno.
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{\an3}It's going to get worse,
the deeper down you go.
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{\an3}At the bottom it’s just Armie.
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{\an3}I knew Armie came from wealth.
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{\an8}There are stories about
his connection to Armand Hammer.
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{\an8}I would say, had I chosen
to sort of follow the family's path
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{\an3}and gone in business
it'd have been more advantageous.
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{\an3}He told me about growing up
in the Caymans
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{\an3}and how his father bought a mansion there
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{\an3}because he had seen The Firm.
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{\an3}That's rich people shit.
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{\an8}I feel like with wealthy families,
there's always a dark story there.
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{\an8}No one can ever be totally normal
when you have that much wealth.
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{\an3}And Armie’s father is
the picture-perfect example of that.
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{\an3}Michael and Dru basically walked away
with everything
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{\an3}after my grandfather died.
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{\an3}They took control
of the Hammer Foundation,
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{\an3}his estate, and millions of dollars.
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{\an3}There were famous rabbis
at his funeral and he literally
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{\an8}was supposed to have bar mitzvah
the day after he died.
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{\an8}Dru’s father in the middle
of Armand Hammer's funeral
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{\an3}declared Armand had changed his religion
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{\an3}and accepted Jesus on his death bed.
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{\an3}Dru's father says that
before Armand died, he said,
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{\an3}"I accept Christ."
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{\an3}And all these people's jaws
just fell open.
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{\an3}Michael Hammer had $40 million
in that trust
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{\an3}and he is now taking Armand's funds
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{\an3}and putting them
into all of these evangelical causes,
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{\an3}Christian organizations
and Christian universities.
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{\an3}It feels like he rewrote the script
for his grandfather
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{\an3}and it just doesn't seem like things
are being handled in the way
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{\an3}Armand would have wanted.
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{\an3}Michael technically worked
for Occidental for like another year.
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{\an3}And then he left Oxy.
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{\an3}Michael didn’t want to carry on
the name for my grandfather at all.
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{\an3}You have Michael,
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{\an3}who is the most Christian man
out there to the public,
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{\an3}but at the same time, behind the scenes,
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{\an3}it’s clear to me that
there was some bad behavior.
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{\an3}Hang on to your hats, guys.
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{\an3}The Armie Hammer article dropped
and the tea is piping hot.
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{\an3}Michael Hammer, Armie’s father,
seems he passed down
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{\an3}some of his proclivities to his son.
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{\an3}The sex throne,
I heard about a confirmed photo...
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{\an3}so, it's seven feet tall...
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{\an3}and there's also the Hammer insignia,
their family crest on the throne.
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{\an3}People claimed that Michael boasted
about a sex throne or naughty chair,
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{\an3}and kept it Hammer foundation
headquarters.
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{\an3}It is 7 feet high and features a chair
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{\an3}with a hole in the seat
and a cage underneath and a hook.
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{\an3}There's a hook, like a meat hook,
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{\an3}and I... almost don't even want
to imagine
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{\an3}what somebody would do with this.
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{\an3}In a photo Michael sits on it grinning
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{\an3}while holding the head of a blonde woman,
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{\an3}sitting in the cage, also smiling.
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{\an3}Michael's lawyer came out
and said that this was a gag gift.
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{\an3}It seems like large gag gift
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{\an3}and a customized gag gift to give.
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{\an3}Sex thrones most certainly
do not align with a Christian image.
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{\an3}"Like father, like son."
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{\an3}It’s such a façade.
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{\an3}I think we’re all seeing the pattern.
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{\an3}It’s just generation to generation.
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{\an3}We all know Armie’s public persona.
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{\an3}His team and his family kind of
curates this image around him.
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{\an3}The Hammers are very keen
on presenting themselves
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{\an3}for public consumption in a certain way.
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{\an3}And so Armie Hammer used
the same practices as his father,
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{\an3}Michael, and his great-grandfather,
Armand Hammer.
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{\an8}You don’t see what’s going on
behind the curtain.
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{\an8}Armand Hammer had many secrets.
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{\an3}When Armand Hammer died, to my surprise,
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{\an3}Julian Hammer gave me
a great deal of material.
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{\an3}He gave me all his private papers.
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{\an3}As well as recordings of his father.
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{\an3}I think that it was because,
very simply spoken,
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{\an3}he hated what his father had done
in cutting him out of his will.
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{\an3}He decided that he was going
to expose his father as a criminal.
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{\an8}Occidental would’ve been
a small oil company
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{\an8}which we wouldn’t even know the name
today,
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{\an3}except Hammer was a master at bribery.
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{\an3}Armand Hammer would go
to a powerful person.
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{\an3}He would offer them money,
illegal cash bribes.
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{\an3}He would deliver the money.
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{\an3}And Julian would record
the entire crime being committed
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{\an3}so he could later blackmail the person.
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{\an3}When this thing is done,
how much do we pay?
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{\an3}In total amount of money?
Three million dollars.
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{\an3}I guess that money talks!
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{\an3}Very little shocks me, I should say.
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{\an3}But the tapes he gave me shocked me.
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{\an3}Who is the collector?
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{\an3}The collector has changed
and is now the president's secretary.
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{\an3}That’s the President of Venezuela
he is bribing.
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{\an3}Hammer had no shame.
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{\an3}He ignored all laws.
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{\an3}Armand Hammer built
his own business empire
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{\an3}on a great number of great crimes.
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{\an3}The extraordinary thing
about the Hammer family
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{\an3}is the consistency of vice over virtue.
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{\an3}I shall resign the presidency,
effective at noon tomorrow.
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{\an3}In the movie All the President's Men,
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{\an3}which was about the Watergate scandal,
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{\an3}Deep Throat says, "Follow the money."
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{\an3}If they did, they would've found that
it led to Armand Hammer.
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{\an3}Hammer made illegal campaign
contributions to politicians.
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{\an3}I saw it first-hand
that the political establishment
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{\an3}is buyable from top to bottom.
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{\an3}This money was used to pay off
the Watergate burglars.
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{\an3}Hammer orchestrated a cover up
where other people lied.
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{\an3}And when that collapsed,
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{\an3}Hammer had to plead guilty
to a misdemeanor.
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{\an3}Today, Hammer pleaded guilty
of hiding contributions
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{\an3}to the Nixon re-election campaign.
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{\an3}Having an outstanding conviction
was bad for business,
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{\an3}and he saw creating a relationship
with Prince Charles...
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{\an3}"I am indebted to Dr. Hammer."
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{\an3}...as a way of making himself
respectable again.
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{\an3}He knew that everybody has a price.
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{\an3}With Prince Charles he just had to
discover what that price would be.
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{\an3}When Prince Charles and Diana
visited the United States,
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{\an3}their only unofficial non-state occasion
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{\an3}was the gala that Hammer threw for them.
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{\an3}On the front pages of every newspaper,
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{\an3}every magazine
their visit was the top story.
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{\an3}And in the end Hammer
provided 40 million pounds
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{\an3}to Prince Charles's causes,
which would add up
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{\an3}to like a quarter of a billion today.
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{\an3}And Charles did see Hammer as a source
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{\an3}of funds for everything he cared about.
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{\an3}How on Earth, do they expect us
to get anything done without money?
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{\an3}I will faithfully execute the office
of president of the United States.
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{\an3}George Bush Sr. did give him a pardon
over the Watergate scandal.
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{\an3}Why did Bush pardon him?
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{\an3}Hammer was a major contributor
to both political parties.
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{\an3}Hammer told me
his private golden rule was
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{\an3}the person with the gold makes the rules.
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{\an3}I had reservations about the way
he presented himself.
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{\an3}But it was only really from '88
that my eyes were fully open
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{\an3}to the lying on which his life was based.
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{\an3}Now the situation in the North Sea
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{\an3}where an Occidental Petroleum
oil rig blew up.
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{\an3}Piper Alpha was a platform owned
by Occidental in the North Sea.
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{\an3}It was the cornerstone
of Occidental's wealth.
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{\an3}Mayday mayday.
Explosion and fire on the Piper...
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{\an3}In July 1988, there was an accident
on Piper Alpha,
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{\an3}which was the worst accident
on an offshore platform
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{\an3}in the world, ever.
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{\an3}The ensuing fire was so severe,
half the platform collapsed.
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{\an3}167 people died.
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{\an3}Within minutes, the first London
newspapers were on the phone
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{\an3}calling me asking if I knew anything.
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{\an3}And I started to think about
how I could serve Armand Hammer
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{\an3}in these circumstances.
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{\an3}I said to Hammer, be the spokesman
for the corporation.
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{\an3}Don't duck away.
The worst thing you can do is hide.
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{\an3}There were hundreds of journalists,
and Hammer took the stage
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{\an3}and just gave the performance
of his life.
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{\an3}But how do you feel personally about it?
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{\an3}I feel very sad.
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{\an3}He was sad, he was brave, he fronted up,
338
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{\an3}he said the buck stops with me.
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{\an3}Which was a complete falsehood.
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{\an3}The press completely swallowed it.
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{\an3}There was not one skeptical question.
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{\an3}Nobody said to him, this platform
has a deplorable safety record.
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{\an3}There’s already been one man killed
in recent years,
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{\an3}there was a mass evacuation.
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{\an3}He got off the way he intended
and in the way that I had devised.
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{\an3}We went to the airport.
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{\an3}Prince Charles and Princess Diana
came to the airport to meet him.
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{\an3}They came striding towards him
with their faces
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{\an3}a kind of picture of sorrow and grief.
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{\an3}Prince Charles had his hand out
to shake Hammer's hand.
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{\an3}He said, "You mustn't blame yourself."
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{\an3}We got on the plane,
and Hammer called to the guys
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{\an3}and he said, "Let's have champagne
and caviar. We've had a great day."
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{\an3}So to enlist Prince Charles,
as his supporter paid off.
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{\an3}There were no direct consequences
whatsoever
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{\an3}in terms of punishments for Armand Hammer
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{\an3}or the board of Occidental.
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{\an3}Nothing at all.
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{\an3}Hammer took no interest whatsoever
in the survivors
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{\an3}or their families,
the families of the dead.
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{\an3}I go back every 10 years
for the 10th anniversary
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{\an3}memorial services
and ceremonies around Piper Alpha.
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{\an3}And you see there...
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{\an3}children who didn't know their fathers,
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{\an3}grandchildren who didn't know
their grandparents.
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{\an3}There was no moral defense
for what I’d done.
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{\an3}After Piper Alpha, I decided
to get out of my degrading position
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{\an3}with Hammer as fast as I could.
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{\an3}I think he was the most satanic man
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{\an3}of the second half of the 20th century.
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{\an3}In terms of corrupting
the political process,
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{\an3}in terms of controlling people
and making them dance his tune,
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{\an3}there is no comparison.
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{\an3}Armand Hammer was the embodiment of sin,
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{\an3}because he was
the embodiment of ruthless ego.
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{\an3}After my grandfather died,
I gave up my career, quit my job,
377
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{\an3}I came back to Los Angeles
and moved in with my father.
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{\an3}My father was out of control.
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{\an3}He slowly started deteriorating.
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{\an3}He would come downstairs
and he was foaming at the mouth,
381
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{\an3}which later I found out was meth
and coke and all kinds of drugs.
382
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{\an3}He would be carrying
a loaded .357 magnum,
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{\an3}he would wake me up
with a gun barrel on my temple,
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{\an3}and make me open my eyes,
385
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{\an3}and say, "I need to look in your eyes
to see if you're possessed,
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{\an3}because if you're possessed,
I'm pulling the trigger.
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00:29:23,559 --> 00:29:28,396
{\an3}He would have sane moments,
and then totally volatile moments
388
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:32,079
{\an3}where he was going crazy
and he wasn’t getting help.
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{\an8}And this went on for months.
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00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,955
{\an8}I just knew that I needed
to get out of there.
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{\an3}And so then I moved out.
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{\an3}It was just a way to protect myself.
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{\an3}- Hi, Casey!
- Come on in.
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{\an3}Watch your step.
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00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:54,515
{\an3}I tried to move forward
and make a name for myself.
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{\an3}Welcome to my home.
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{\an3}A friend of mine was a producer
for a local news station
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00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,839
{\an3}and she was doing a piece called
Victim No More.
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00:30:09,279 --> 00:30:12,235
{\an3}I wanted to be an actress.
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00:30:12,319 --> 00:30:15,440
{\an3}You can scream Case.
Whatever you... Action.
401
00:30:16,839 --> 00:30:18,559
{\an3}Someone came up from behind me.
402
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,119
{\an3}Get out! Get out of the car!
403
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,035
{\an3}Something visceral was happening
in my body
404
00:30:29,119 --> 00:30:32,079
{\an3}and I was so afraid that
he was gonna kill me or hurt me.
405
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:39,880
{\an3}Something took over inside of me
and I hurt him.
406
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:43,839
{\an3}Ah, goddamit.
407
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,359
{\an3}I realized I needed help.
408
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,076
{\an3}I went to a psychologist
in Beverly Hills,
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00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,515
{\an3}and I remember walking into his office
410
00:31:04,599 --> 00:31:06,876
{\an3}and I said, "Hi, my name is Casey Hammer.
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00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:10,359
{\an3}My grandfather was Armand Hammer,
and I'm really fucked up."
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00:31:11,839 --> 00:31:13,440
{\an3}And we started...
413
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,920
{\an3}and then the memories started
happening when I was in therapy.
414
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:22,319
{\an3}The floodgates opened.
415
00:31:24,599 --> 00:31:30,356
{\an3}I remembered one particular incident,
where there was a lot of noise
416
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:35,440
{\an3}and party going on,
my brother was there as well,
417
00:31:37,319 --> 00:31:41,680
{\an3}my father started shooting at the walls.
418
00:31:43,519 --> 00:31:48,116
{\an3}And then my father was like
"Wait, I've got an idea,"
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00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:52,876
{\an3}and said to me,
"Casey, hold this phone book."
420
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:58,200
{\an3}And I did it thinking,
"They’re not going to shoot at me."
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00:31:59,759 --> 00:32:03,240
{\an3}So the phonebook was held up
right to my head.
422
00:32:10,759 --> 00:32:12,200
{\an3}I dropped the phonebook.
423
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,880
{\an3}I remember taking cover.
424
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:36,799
{\an3}I started remembering all the abuse,
being choked
425
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:39,400
{\an3}and suffocated.
426
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:47,156
{\an3}And I thought,
"This can't be... something's weird."
427
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:52,556
{\an3}I remember talking to my mom
and started saying to her
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00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,916
{\an3}what I was remembering
and hoping she would tell me,
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00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,116
{\an3}"Oh, you're just crazy."
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00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,435
{\an3}But it turns out she did know about it.
431
00:33:00,519 --> 00:33:03,440
{\an3}And what I was remembering
was actually happening.
432
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,076
{\an3}Things happened to me
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00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,680
{\an3}that shouldn’t ever
have happened to a child.
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00:33:11,119 --> 00:33:14,039
{\an3}Casey, was your father
sexually abusing you?
435
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:21,836
{\an3}Yes.
436
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:23,359
{\an3}And...
437
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:29,759
{\an3}that's all I've ever said because...
438
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,796
{\an3}maybe he's the only person
I want to see when,
439
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:38,836
{\an3}I don’t even think he is in heaven
440
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,640
{\an3}or on the other side
or whatever you believe, but...
441
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:47,559
{\an3}and that’s how I know
that it is so deep and so...
442
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,599
{\an3}I don't know if I'll ever be normal,
because...
443
00:33:54,079 --> 00:33:59,319
{\an3}the fact that I still think
he'll save me or be there for me.
444
00:34:01,079 --> 00:34:07,195
{\an3}I found out what my father was doing
and I never confronted him
445
00:34:07,279 --> 00:34:10,960
{\an3}because I didn't want to hear him
say the words.
446
00:34:12,199 --> 00:34:15,676
{\an3}There's that hope
that the person's going to change
447
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:18,679
{\an3}and that they didn't mean to hurt you.
448
00:34:20,119 --> 00:34:26,239
{\an3}My father ended up dying in ’96,
five years after my grandfather died.
449
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:29,635
{\an3}But...
450
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:35,435
{\an3}it's still so hard because
you want to share your backstory.
451
00:34:35,519 --> 00:34:39,440
{\an3}You want to explain
why you're fucked up, and broken.
452
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:46,159
{\an3}The generation I grew up in,
it was closed door.
453
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,559
{\an3}But you know, it's a different time.
454
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:59,236
{\an3}It was my sentiment with Courtney,
it's incredibly brave nowadays,
455
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:03,760
{\an3}because not only are you traumatized
from what he's done,
456
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:09,475
{\an3}but you're probably traumatized
over and over and over.
457
00:35:09,559 --> 00:35:11,440
{\an3}But he needs to be held accountable.
458
00:35:12,639 --> 00:35:17,239
{\an3}And I hope she finds peace
and whatever that means for her.
459
00:35:24,159 --> 00:35:26,075
{\an3}I went to a residential rehab.
460
00:35:26,159 --> 00:35:29,995
{\an3}It was based on what
you were struggling with which,
461
00:35:30,079 --> 00:35:31,880
{\an3}they placed me in the trauma lodge.
462
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:34,960
{\an3}I had a specialty therapist
463
00:35:36,199 --> 00:35:38,716
{\an3}she was like,
"What's the last time you felt
464
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:43,320
{\an3}really uncomfortable,
really embarrassed, really afraid?"
465
00:35:45,199 --> 00:35:48,280
{\an3}And I went into the night.
466
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:54,960
{\an3}I remembered the music
that was playing really vividly.
467
00:35:56,440 --> 00:36:03,000
{\an3}I remembered the feeling
of the ropes on my wrist.
468
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,876
{\an3}It was just very surreal.
469
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:13,199
{\an3}I felt like I was back in that room,
back in that moment.
470
00:36:17,679 --> 00:36:20,599
{\an3}I got diagnosed with trauma and PTSD.
471
00:36:21,639 --> 00:36:26,559
{\an3}My therapist said I had to repeat,
I was used, abused and abandoned.
472
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:31,316
{\an3}So you're trying to make sense
of what happened.
473
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,836
{\an3}And that's what she had me repeat
over and over,
474
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,316
{\an3}it's not your fault you feel this way.
475
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,716
{\an3}It stuck with me.
And it really made sense.
476
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:43,276
{\an3}That's truly what happened,
I was used abused, abandoned,
477
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:47,559
{\an3}just discarded, after having my life
turned inside out.
478
00:36:51,519 --> 00:36:54,196
{\an3}Armie Hammer’s ex-girlfriend,
Courtney Vucekovic"
479
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:56,756
{\an3}"Armie Hammer’s accounts are going viral"
480
00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:00,236
{\an3}"...has come forward with claims
against her ex, Armie Hammer"
481
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:04,716
{\an3}When this all blew up,
Paige messaged me on Instagram.
482
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,155
{\an3}I sent her my number and she called me.
483
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:10,276
{\an3}First thing she said was,
why didn't you tell me?
484
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:14,995
{\an3}And then she told me her story
and it's like, holy shit!
485
00:37:15,079 --> 00:37:17,475
{\an3}It is a copy paste.
486
00:37:17,559 --> 00:37:22,196
{\an3}The same road trip, the same motel,
487
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:25,435
{\an3}we wore the same cowboy hat
in our pictures,
488
00:37:25,519 --> 00:37:29,236
{\an3}we both watched that movie,
the Secretary.
489
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:32,916
{\an3}I sent her the album that he played
490
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:36,676
{\an3}when he was tying me up, traumatizing me.
491
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:40,356
{\an3}She goes, he played the same album
to her.
492
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:42,955
{\an3}She was like,
does he call you little thing?
493
00:37:43,039 --> 00:37:46,475
{\an3}I said, yeah, perfect little thing.
She was like, yeah.
494
00:37:46,559 --> 00:37:50,196
{\an3}He says the same,
called us the same nicknames.
495
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:53,236
{\an3}She met his mom. She went home with him.
496
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:56,595
{\an3}I mean, who just introduces everyone
to their mom?
497
00:37:56,679 --> 00:37:59,995
{\an3}They'd known each other a month.
I had met her weeks prior.
498
00:38:00,079 --> 00:38:04,716
{\an3}We had the same relationship,
and I would almost guarantee
499
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:08,356
{\an3}there was another one that day,
he was going to do it again to.
500
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:11,515
{\an3}And he was going to continue the cycle,
501
00:38:11,599 --> 00:38:15,960
{\an3}this destructive cycle
until he couldn't anymore.
502
00:38:21,079 --> 00:38:25,356
{\an3}To Armie Hammer, and some good news
for him involving
503
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:28,716
{\an3}one of the allegations against him,
an allegation of rape.
504
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:32,480
{\an3}It is looking like that is not going
to result in charges.
505
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:37,196
{\an3}It’s a huge slap in the face to see
something like this.
506
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,280
{\an3}I am in shock, but I’m not surprised.
507
00:38:41,039 --> 00:38:46,276
{\an3}I can assure you that when TMZ
made that report,
508
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:50,115
{\an3}the case had not yet been sent
to the district attorney,
509
00:38:50,199 --> 00:38:51,599
{\an3}let alone dropped.
510
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:57,119
{\an3}TMZ never even checked with me
before they ran that story.
511
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:16,679
{\an8}It's a common PR tactic, quite frankly.
512
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,916
{\an8}It's like, okay, I'm going to own up
to having a problem,
513
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:24,880
{\an3}so I'm going to try to rectify it.
514
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:39,676
{\an3}Seems Armie Hammer has quietly hired
a new PR person, hear me out.
515
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:43,876
{\an3}This was front page on the Daily Mail
this morning on snapchat,
516
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:47,876
{\an3}that this new girl, Lisa Perejma, has
turned Armie Hammer’s life around.
517
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:51,639
{\an3}Article says, Armie is happier
and healthier than I’ve seen him.
518
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:57,159
{\an3}I think rehab was his steppingstone
trying to rebrand his image.
519
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,955
{\an3}The same week that Death on the Nile
is coming out,
520
00:40:09,039 --> 00:40:12,236
{\an3}an article saying that Armie
has done so much work in rehab
521
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,719
{\an3}came out, right before the movie.
522
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:47,756
{\an3}Cancel culture is on peoples' tongues
way more than rape culture,
523
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,356
{\an3}and rape culture is a much bigger issue.
524
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:52,316
{\an3}Cancel culture wouldn't exist
525
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,800
{\an3}if rape culture wasn't such a big issue.
526
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:14,595
{\an3}I think at the end of the day,
PR will win the situation.
527
00:41:14,679 --> 00:41:17,515
{\an3}Hollywood is built on money,
and obviously,
528
00:41:17,599 --> 00:41:20,155
{\an3}He comes from a family
that was built on money.
529
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:23,960
{\an3}So if Armie can find a way
to make somebody money,
530
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:27,836
{\an3}then why couldn't he possibly work?
531
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:31,555
{\an3}I think that we all expect
he’s not going to get in trouble.
532
00:41:31,639 --> 00:41:33,316
{\an3}We all know there’s no justice
533
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:35,955
{\an3}when it comes to people
with this much power.
534
00:41:36,039 --> 00:41:37,716
{\an3}I'm sure there are people,
535
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:41,515
{\an3}especially in this town, who look
at who I am or my family
536
00:41:41,599 --> 00:41:43,515
{\an3}and that's why he got the part.
537
00:41:43,599 --> 00:41:45,035
{\an3}Generation to generation,
538
00:41:45,119 --> 00:41:48,155
{\an3}they have had a history
of doing what they want
539
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:51,916
{\an8}and getting away with it
because of the power and money
540
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,236
{\an8}that they have
and that's pretty intimidating.
541
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:59,316
{\an3}Every generation, every period
of humanity has always dealt
542
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:01,995
{\an3}with the same shit,
we'll always deal with that.
543
00:42:02,079 --> 00:42:04,880
{\an3}We just wear different clothes
when we do it.
544
00:42:09,519 --> 00:42:12,676
{\an3}I'm really grateful Armie
and I didn't meet up.
545
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:15,836
{\an3}By the time that we got to January
and I had seen
546
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:19,276
{\an3}he had been doing this for years,
that's when I realized
547
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:21,079
{\an3}how close to danger I really was.
548
00:42:22,519 --> 00:42:26,396
{\an3}A lot of the press was just all about
all of the roles he had lost.
549
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:28,796
{\an3}And that was very frustrating to me.
550
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:33,356
{\an3}My intention was to bring back
551
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:38,960
{\an3}to the conversation the abuses
that this person has inflicted.
552
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:45,039
{\an3}I felt like art was the way for me
to speak to this issue.
553
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:55,115
{\an3}So, I decided to make art pieces
from my conversations with Armie.
554
00:42:55,199 --> 00:42:58,155
{\an8}Going back to the messages was
something I had avoided.
555
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:01,356
{\an8}But when I did,
I did it from a place of power.
556
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:04,716
{\an3}The first two pieces that I made
painted a good picture
557
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,595
{\an3}about the intersection
between wealth, predation,
558
00:43:07,679 --> 00:43:09,475
{\an3}and abuse of power.
559
00:43:09,559 --> 00:43:11,515
{\an3}Here I posted this meme,
560
00:43:11,599 --> 00:43:15,356
{\an3}about the greatest wealth transfer
we've seen in history of humankind.
561
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:20,676
{\an3}It says, "Trying to enjoy the weekend
without fear of impending doom."
562
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:22,916
{\an3}This was in August of 2020,
563
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,756
{\an3}so this is still during the height
of the pandemic.
564
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:28,400
{\an3}I said, "Eat the rich for real,
nom, nom, nom,"
565
00:43:30,679 --> 00:43:36,316
{\an3}and then Armie reacted to my story,
slid right in, "100%,"
566
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:38,475
{\an3}which is ironic, because he comes from
567
00:43:38,559 --> 00:43:41,276
{\an3}one of the wealthiest families
on the planet.
568
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:45,716
{\an3}He said, "Dibs on the glute muscles
and ribs for smoking."
569
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:48,719
{\an3}In light of everything
that's come out since,
570
00:43:50,559 --> 00:43:55,995
{\an3}I don't find that funny
and him mirroring my frustrations
571
00:43:56,079 --> 00:43:58,876
{\an3}is a way for him to say
that he's just like me.
572
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:03,119
{\an3}It's a way to gain my trust
and for me to let my guard down.
573
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:07,876
{\an3}I'm quite vocal on my Instagram
about my background
574
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:10,079
{\an3}of having grown up in foster care.
575
00:44:13,079 --> 00:44:15,515
{\an3}I wouldn't be surprised
if he had read that,
576
00:44:15,599 --> 00:44:17,916
{\an3}and thought,
"Oh, okay, she's vulnerable."
577
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:21,075
{\an3}We spoke about my past history of abuse
578
00:44:21,159 --> 00:44:23,316
{\an3}and he very openly confided
579
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:27,360
{\an3}about almost getting into a fistfight
with his father in the islands,
580
00:44:29,119 --> 00:44:34,196
{\an3}and his father drinking
and taking Vicodin at the same time.
581
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:36,159
{\an3}He painted a pretty chaotic picture.
582
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:40,796
{\an3}But it wasn't coming from a place
of good intention.
583
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:45,356
{\an3}It was coming from a place
to manipulate and figure out
584
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:48,995
{\an3}what tools that then he could use
to keep you under control
585
00:44:49,079 --> 00:44:51,719
{\an3}or use them against you in the future.
586
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:57,955
{\an3}When I came forward
about my experiences with him,
587
00:44:58,039 --> 00:45:00,196
{\an3}there was a lot of online harassment.
588
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:05,756
{\an3}If you're just some troll,
in a dark room, just spewing hate
589
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:09,115
{\an3}towards other people
who are doing shit with their lives,
590
00:45:09,199 --> 00:45:12,320
{\an3}I'm not going to let someone
like that get to me.
591
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:17,836
{\an3}I went in this not understanding
the fandom
592
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:19,519
{\an3}that was Call Me By Your Name,
593
00:45:21,159 --> 00:45:25,119
{\an3}but the Charmies are essentially
super fans of Armie Hammer.
594
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:31,000
{\an8}The women that have come forward,
they target in a very big way.
595
00:45:34,639 --> 00:45:38,475
{\an8}Shame on them. If any of them
would like to show their faces,
596
00:45:38,559 --> 00:45:40,519
{\an3}I would love to know who you are.
597
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:45,239
{\an3}One of the hardest times of my life
was that news coming out.
598
00:45:47,159 --> 00:45:50,280
{\an3}I started getting harassed
by his diehard fans.
599
00:45:56,079 --> 00:45:59,035
{\an3}I mean, they really hit you
where it hurts.
600
00:45:59,119 --> 00:46:03,796
{\an3}They have endless chatrooms about
what to do to me.
601
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:06,876
{\an3}They would text my personal phone number.
602
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:11,876
{\an3}They would send me pictures
of my apartment building I lived in.
603
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:14,000
{\an3}They would send me death threats.
604
00:46:15,119 --> 00:46:18,595
{\an3}I moved out of my apartment,
I bought a house,
605
00:46:18,679 --> 00:46:20,559
{\an3}and I put cameras all over.
606
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:25,276
{\an3}The "charmies" made my life hell.
607
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:27,920
{\an3}They want you to break so bad.
608
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:40,236
{\an8}Fear is the weapon that keeps victims
609
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:43,876
{\an8}emotionally paralyzed.
610
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:49,356
{\an3}It's very hard, because once the victim
611
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:53,159
{\an3}enters that dangerous world
of the court of public opinion,
612
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:58,236
{\an3}there is generally going to be
some backlash
613
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:02,519
{\an3}that they didn't expect
how ugly it could be out there.
614
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:13,276
{\an3}- Nice to meet you. Can I hug you?
- Yes, absolutely.
615
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:15,356
{\an3}- How are you?
- I’m good, how are you?
616
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:16,719
{\an3}I’m okay.
617
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:23,955
{\an3}How are you handling everything?
618
00:47:24,039 --> 00:47:26,796
{\an3}Um, it comes in waves.
619
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:32,595
{\an3}I think I can say now
that I'm out of it, looking back,
620
00:47:32,679 --> 00:47:35,595
{\an3}I'm a lot stronger than I was.
621
00:47:35,679 --> 00:47:38,796
{\an3}And I've learned a lot
from what I experienced.
622
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:43,995
{\an3}And I learned a lot about
how to avoid people like that.
623
00:47:44,079 --> 00:47:46,396
{\an3}It's one of those things
where it continues
624
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:48,756
{\an3}and until someone breaks the cycle
625
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:52,716
{\an3}and it's so important
for someone like you,
626
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:57,756
{\an3}who's very intelligent, successful
to let people know
627
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:00,396
{\an3}- it can happen to anybody.
- It's so common.
628
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:04,035
{\an3}The way we grew up,
it was secretive in a sense.
629
00:48:04,119 --> 00:48:09,716
{\an3}And now for me with social media,
like I can't even imagine
630
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:13,239
{\an3}when I see someone like you
up against this dynasty...
631
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:20,239
{\an8}that have gotten away with this
for so long.
632
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:26,356
{\an8}Before the internet, it was difficult
633
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:31,155
{\an3}for women who were used
and abused to speak out.
634
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:34,119
{\an3}They felt silenced
and, in fact, they were silenced.
635
00:48:35,639 --> 00:48:39,800
{\an3}Now with the internet, many women
refuse to suffer in silence,
636
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:45,356
{\an3}and speak out against those
who have used, abused,
637
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:48,515
{\an3}and manipulated them.
638
00:48:48,599 --> 00:48:51,356
{\an3}My hope that speaking out
about the abuse endured
639
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:55,075
{\an3}at the hands of Armie Hammer
is that he will be held accountable.
640
00:48:55,159 --> 00:48:57,876
{\an3}They want their voices to be heard.
641
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:01,316
{\an3}For many of them,
they want to warn other women.
642
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:06,155
{\an3}They have a feeling they can’t undo
the wrong that was done to them,
643
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:09,236
{\an3}but maybe they can protect
someone else’s daughter.
644
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:11,679
{\an3}That’s why they speak out.
645
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:15,880
{\an3}While I say that these charmies
were being horrible,
646
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:21,555
{\an3}I had thousands of people message me,
like women,
647
00:49:21,639 --> 00:49:24,679
{\an3}they were like I had
this exact same thing happen.
648
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:29,196
{\an3}Everybody was relating.
It gives me chills because
649
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:32,635
{\an3}I got the saddest, most real,
vulnerable messages,
650
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:37,035
{\an3}of everyone being like,
"It’s toxic, I’m getting out."
651
00:49:37,119 --> 00:49:40,035
{\an3}I was willing to open up about it
652
00:49:40,119 --> 00:49:42,679
{\an3}to help people avoid
a situation like this.
653
00:49:43,599 --> 00:49:47,916
{\an3}There was a thousand messages
that were like okay,
654
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:50,079
{\an3}well, something good came out of this.
655
00:49:52,199 --> 00:49:55,115
{\an3}You want people to recognize
these abusive patterns.
656
00:49:55,199 --> 00:49:57,035
{\an3}I feel like then it changes.
657
00:49:57,119 --> 00:49:59,995
{\an3}You feel good because
it is for the right reasons.
658
00:50:00,079 --> 00:50:02,920
{\an3}- Not because you're bitter or sad.
- Absolutely.
659
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:08,276
{\an3}So much of what Courtney echoes
660
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:11,836
{\an3}is what I continue to struggle with.
661
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:14,159
{\an3}And mine was a long time ago.
662
00:50:16,159 --> 00:50:19,155
{\an3}I was sent a letter recently
by my brother,
663
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:24,595
{\an3}It says, "Dear Casey, although
we haven't spoken in many years,
664
00:50:24,679 --> 00:50:28,515
{\an3}I heard the untrue and hurtful things
665
00:50:28,599 --> 00:50:31,555
{\an3}you've recently said about our family.
666
00:50:31,639 --> 00:50:37,840
{\an3}I can no longer remain quiet
and allow you to feed your thirst
667
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:42,435
{\an3}for notoriety
at the expense of our family
668
00:50:42,519 --> 00:50:45,716
{\an3}and the Armand Hammer Foundation.
669
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:49,796
{\an3}If you choose to continue pretending
670
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:53,555
{\an3}that the stories
you have invented are the truth,
671
00:50:53,639 --> 00:50:55,756
{\an3}I will have no choice
672
00:50:55,840 --> 00:51:00,316
{\an3}other than to pursue every legal remedy
673
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:02,000
{\an3}to set the records straight.
674
00:51:03,119 --> 00:51:07,716
{\an3}Despite all the pain
your fabrications have caused,
675
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:12,876
{\an3}you share the blood running
through my veins,
676
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:15,356
{\an3}you are still my family,
677
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:20,360
{\an3}and I wish you nothing but the best.
Very truly yours, Michael.
678
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:28,199
{\an3}My brother thinks he can silence me.
679
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:32,276
{\an3}The way my brother is intimidating me
right now
680
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:34,356
{\an3}through that letter and those words,
681
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:37,716
{\an3}it's exactly
what my grandfather would do.
682
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:43,239
{\an3}I've let the Hammers control me
so much my whole life,
683
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:47,639
{\an3}it’s time to stop.
684
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:50,519
{\an3}I refuse to be silenced.
685
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:46,719
{\an3}Francesca Villa Iyuno-SDI Group
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