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(static humming)
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(tone reverberating)
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(electronic tone twanging)
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(birds chirping)
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(car doors clunking)
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(engine revving)
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- I was calling to find out about,
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I believe it was Detective Purvis
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that came out and spoke with Candy.
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I was wondering if you knew whether there
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had been any warrants
issued for (bleeping).
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Mm-hmm, no, he knows where
the shelter is, here.
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He told her, "I know where the shelter is,
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"I know how to find, I
know where to find you."
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This is pretty serious.
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(car engine passing)
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- Even though I choose to by
around him, when I shouldn't.
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And I know that I shouldn't,
but it's only because
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of the fact that I'm scared.
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And I feel like if I don't
do anything he asks of me,
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like come when he calls, or
stop everything I'm doing
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just to be there, that he would hurt me.
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(keyboard clacking)
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(door hinge squeaking)
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- So what, tell me what just happened?
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- He text me, he's saying
he's on his way to Clapp's.
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Car wash, here in Pittsboro.
- Here?
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Alright, I'm gonna call
Ed right now and tell him.
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Okay?
- 'Kay.
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- You okay with that?
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- So-so, I guess, I don't
want to involve the law,
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but he just needs to leave me alone.
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- You understand that
that's not gonna happen
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unless law enforcement intervenes.
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- Yeah.
- To make it stop.
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- Hey, Buddy, I have a question for you.
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One of the residents at the shelter,
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her abuser keeps calling
her on her cell phone.
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She was gonna text him back,
and say, "Where are you?"
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And then call the Pittsboro PD and say,
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"Here's where he says he is."
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Is that some kind of entrapment?
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Not entrapment.
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- Now you do it, baby,
how 'bout text him back
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and say, "Where are you at?"
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Where are you at, okay, good.
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Let's see how long it takes.
- Okay.
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- [Advocate] Oh, oh, here we go.
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- Just left Elizabeth's Pizza.
- Alright.
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- Hey, he just texted her and said he just
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left Elizabeth's Pizza.
(camera shutter clicking)
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Do you want to text him back and say,
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"I will me you at
Clapp's in five minutes."
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- Okay.
- She's texting him now.
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- Police everywhere.
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- [Advocate] He said,
"Police is everywhere."
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That's what he, so.
- Oh my god.
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- [Candy] Swarm me, did you do this?
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(Kit gasping)
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- He just texted her and said,
"Swarm me, did you do this?"
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Did they get him?
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That's what he, he just,
- License check.
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- Oh, he was in a license check.
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If they just did a fucking
license check, why?
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- [Kit] It should be in the system, so.
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- On my way to Al's Diner.
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He's on his way to Al's.
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- He says, "On my way to Al's Diners."
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Tell him, be there in five, you text,
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be there in five minutes.
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- Okay.
(buttons clicking)
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- Alright, alright, bye.
- Are they gonna go get him?
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- Yeah, he said just be
vigilant and keep documenting.
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(Candy sobbing intensely)
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- It's not your fault.
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You know, it's not your fault.
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His choices and the things that
he did are what caused this.
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Okay? I did it.
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I made the call.
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I did it, okay?
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(cell phone ringing)
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- This is Ed, hello?
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- Hey.
- Hey.
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Right next door, not
right up from the shelter?
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- Salisbury?
- Yeah.
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- That's a half block from here.
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Less than half a block.
- Ed thinks
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that's where he's at.
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Check to see where she is.
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Oh my god.
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Oh my god, please, please, please, please.
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Woo, yes, oh yeah!
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Oh, thank you, Ed.
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You sure they got him?
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Oh thank you, thank you, thank you.
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Thank you, I hope they set his
bond high enough to where he
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can't get out, 'cause he
is gonna be one pissed off.
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Thanks (laughing emotionally).
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Yes, I'm so happy!
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Whew.
(door creaking)
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(Kit clapping)
(advocates cheering)
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- Woo!
- Yay.
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(Candy sobbing)
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- [Kit] It's okay.
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- You alright, sweetie?
- Yeah, I'm good.
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- [Kit] It's okay.
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- [Candy] It's so hard.
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- [Advocate] Yes, it's hard.
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Yes it is, it's very hard.
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- [Candy] I feel like it's my fault.
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- [Kit] It's not your fault.
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It is not your fault.
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You didn't make him who he is.
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If it wasn't you, it'd be somebody else.
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- It's Charlotte Talks on
listener-funded 90.7 WFAE
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and 90.3 WFHE, I'm Mike Collins.
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We're talking about domestic violence.
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Kit Gruelle is also a
survivor, so she has worked
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with California POST, that
state's effort to train
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law enforcement officers to
deal with domestic violence.
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And she is known nationally as an advocate
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and community educator on this topic.
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And you brought a stack of files here.
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- These are all restraining orders
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from one year in North Carolina.
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Now these are not all
the restraining orders
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that were issued, there's
probably 45 or 50 orders here.
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And every single one of the
women who went to obtain
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these orders of protection was murdered.
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In precisely the ways that
they said they were gonna be.
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So I sometimes refer to restraining orders
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as the Last Will and Testament.
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Because battered women are the
experts in what's happening
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in their relationship, and
we need, society, we need
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to treat them like the
experts that they are.
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When she says, "He's going to kill me."
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Or, "He's going to kill my family."
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Or, "He's going to kill my
cousin if he can't get to me."
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We have got to step on
the brakes and slow down
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and take that whole thing seriously.
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And then, when there's a
restraining order violation,
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our judicial officials
have to understand that he
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is showing contempt for the court system.
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And he truly is a risk to her
and to community at large.
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- If you're not being hit, if
you're not being threatened
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with a knife, or some kind of a weapon.
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If it's just words, if it's intimidation,
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if it is belittling,
how do you recognize it?
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How do others recognize it?
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How do you then get others
to say, to help you stop it?
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- When I do the hostage
negotiations class, this is one
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of the things that I bring
up with the negotiators.
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My late husband was a
freak about food intake.
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He was trying to gain muscle weight,
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so he wanted a lot of protein calories.
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And so every night before he went out,
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he wanted a bowl of ice
cream, and on the ice cream,
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he wanted peanuts, because
peanuts are so high in protein.
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So when I went to grocery store,
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I had to buy salted peanuts.
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Put them in a colander, rinse
them off and pat them dry.
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And put the rinsed-off
peanuts on the ice cream.
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And while he was eating his
ice cream, if he came across
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salt on the peanuts, he would
beat me up, because he said
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I didn't do a good enough
job washing the peanuts.
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So when I go out and do the
negotiations class, I say to
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these cops, what happens
when you show up on the scene
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and you get her out there in
the back of the patrol car,
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and she's saying to you over
and over and over again,
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"I should have done a better
job washing the peanuts."
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And when women say stuff like that,
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it's not because they're crazy,
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it's because the way
they're really living.
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(slow guitar music)
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Our criminal justice system requires
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that she be beaten enough
to satisfy the system.
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And by the time it gets to that point,
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she's already been so worn
down, psychologically,
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and physically and emotionally,
that's when it's really
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time for advocates to really step up.
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And begin to treat her
like she has some value.
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Because she's been told now,
systemically, that she doesn't.
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The courts have told her
that she doesn't have value.
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And her partner has told her
that she doesn't have value.
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Perhaps family and friends have done that
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through their actions with her.
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And all that strips away from her.
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So I think another thing
that advocates do is,
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instead of stripping away,
we try to build back up.
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You know, a lot of times
battered women leave.
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Four or five, six, seven, eight times.
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And people start to get tired of it.
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They see a woman leave an
abuser and then go back.
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It's complicated.
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Leaving an abuser is not
an event, it's a process.
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And this is where advocates come in.
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It's not our job to say to
her, "We're gonna be your
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"advocate, when you leave the
first time, when you leave
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"the second time, when
you leave the third time.
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"But on that fourth time,
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"we're not working with you anymore."
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That's not how it goes.
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If we're going to be effective
advocates, we're going
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to recognize that each
woman's case is unique.
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And each woman's case is special.
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Anybody have any experiences
with the boyfriend
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or the husband?
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You've had that experience.
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- It went on for nine years.
- Wow.
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- I went back, I left and
went back three times.
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And I won't, this time.
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And this last time, he almost killed me
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in front of my daughter.
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And now I have had 23 seizures,
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and my daughter has seen
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every one of them and
she takes care of me.
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- But what happened to
you shouldn't happen
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to anybody, ever.
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- I know that and that's
why I'm here (sniffling).
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- What do your parents
have to say about it?
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- Why didn't you just leave?
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- Did he ever threaten to kill you?
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- Yeah, lots of times.
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My mom called the police
officers, and one of the officers
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said that he knew my husband.
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And that he knew he was violent person.
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But he wasn't violent
enough to kill someone.
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They came, I filed charges for
the abuse that I went through
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because it happened in another state.
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So I'm left to just live with it.
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(tense music)
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- It's very hard in Deanna's
case, to see a woman get so
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hideously beaten and then,
essentially, to have the local
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courts say, "Well, we're
sorry that happened to you,
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"but we're really, we're
just gonna let it go."
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We just can't let this go.
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Something has to be done.
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I do this work because
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I survived a really violent relationship.
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Jack punched me really hard in the face.
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One time, punched me like I was a man.
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And it was the whole thing,
with doing flips off the porch,
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and seeing stars and birdies,
and I remember thinking,
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wow, this is, it's
really like the cartoons.
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And for four days, I stayed on the couch,
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with a blanket pulled up over my face.
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Because I didn't want the boys to see me,
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because I looked so bad.
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But then, I couldn't eat,
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and I was having a hard
time even swallowing stuff,
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so I knew that I needed
to get it looked at.
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And Jack drove me down to see my OB/GYN.
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And he walked in the room
and looked at my face,
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and immediately looked away.
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And I just remember feeling sort of
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a whole new layer of isolation,
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because my doctor wouldn't
look me in the eye
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and say, "What happened to you?"
259
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- Alright, so I got one on my
face, where you slapped at me.
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Okay, so we were going at it.
- Wait, does that make sense
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though, let's think about this.
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- Let me see.
- This.
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- You scare me.
- Okay, alright, that'll work.
264
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Are you, okay, you want
me to do this again?
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- You need some more, yeah.
266
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(knocking on door)
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- [Trainer] I don't know why
you always gotta be thinking
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I'm cheating on you.
269
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- Well, what was that phone number?
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(knocking on door)
- Who cares what the phone
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number was, you ain't got
no business going through my
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damn phone to begin with.
- I don't care, why don't,
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stop it, stop it.
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(thudding loudly)
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- It's just some girl
that lives down here,
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- Who is that person, you're not supposed
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to be seeing someone.
- Come on, Kit, shut up.
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Just shut up.
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What?
- How you doing today, sir?
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- I'm alright.
281
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- Is it alright if I come
in and take a look inside?
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Mind if we talk to y'all separately?
283
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- No, that's fine, or you can talk
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to us together.
- Alright.
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- Pardon me, sir, can
I talk to you outside?
286
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- Yeah, sure.
287
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- How are you doing, Ma'am?
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- Have you seen the way he looked at me?
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(training officer drowned out by crashing)
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- What uh,
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- Did you see the way
he just looked at me?
292
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- Yes, ma'am, what seems to be going on?
293
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- She starts flipping out, she's bi-polar,
294
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I mean, she's got her issues.
295
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And when she gets that way,
she gets really physical,
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and everything, she's scratched me.
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- He grabbed me by the throat.
298
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- Do you have any marks or anything?
299
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- I don't know if I do
or not, I don't know.
300
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- Have you considered
trying staying somewhere?
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Over the night, seeing if it'll cool down?
302
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- Mm, what's going on?
- Nothing, just finished up
303
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my getting his statement.
304
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So maybe it's play it safer,
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just split them up for the night.
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- Yeah.
- Come back in the morning.
307
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- Yeah.
- See if we can't make
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heads or tails of this,
who's lying, who's not.
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- Thought they were done.
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It's always police shit.
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(Kit laughing)
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- You're a good roller.
- Yeah, I know.
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- As far as the whole,
splittin' them up, or taking one
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of them to jail, I mean, what
should have been the call?
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- You've got injuries on her neck.
316
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Hers are more serious than mine.
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Mine look like they
could be defensive marks.
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You're probably walking away
from here with me in cuffs,
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at that point.
320
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- Since we couldn't establish
the primary aggressor,
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we figured we'd err on the side of caution
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and just split you up for the night.
323
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- How do you feel like they did?
324
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- I think you did fine.
325
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One thing that, when we
was walking out the door,
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didn't I say to you, "Did
you see how he looked at me?"
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- I did.
- But, like he could,
328
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Or she could.
- That was not so subtle.
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- One of the other can,
- I saw you glance back,
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especially when we came in.
- Oh, it was about
331
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a five second stare, before
I walked out the door.
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Basically, giving her notice.
333
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- So what does he want to do?
334
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What does this abuser want to do?
335
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He wants to maintain
control over the situation.
336
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So he's gonna have a
variety of different tactics
337
00:17:45,567 --> 00:17:49,204
that he's gonna use, some
won't be obvious at all.
338
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Some will be things like
the look, or maybe the way
339
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he closes the door a little
bit harder, things like that.
340
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And these are things
that she'll key off of,
341
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he'll key off of, but I just ask y'all
342
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to keep your eyes and ears open.
343
00:18:02,060 --> 00:18:04,305
Because there could be
behaviors like that,
344
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that will shut her down.
345
00:18:08,792 --> 00:18:11,792
(slow guitar music)
346
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(door creaking)
347
00:18:31,023 --> 00:18:32,190
- Hello.
- Hey.
348
00:18:36,761 --> 00:18:38,178
- Hello.
- Hello.
349
00:18:40,561 --> 00:18:41,960
- How do you feel about telling people
350
00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:44,479
about what happened in your case?
351
00:18:44,479 --> 00:18:46,204
- Oh, it doesn't bother me too much.
352
00:18:46,204 --> 00:18:48,871
- Mm-hmm.
- I feel like it helps.
353
00:18:51,006 --> 00:18:53,022
- So let's start at the beginning.
354
00:18:53,022 --> 00:18:56,225
What was it like when you
all first started dating?
355
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- For the first two
months, he was really sweet
356
00:19:03,092 --> 00:19:06,259
and nice, and then he kinda questioned
357
00:19:08,372 --> 00:19:10,560
what I had done in the past.
358
00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:12,940
And wanted to know who my friends were
359
00:19:12,940 --> 00:19:15,273
and what I'd done with them.
360
00:19:17,593 --> 00:19:20,538
And then, it started from there.
361
00:19:20,538 --> 00:19:22,274
- This is Robbie?
362
00:19:22,274 --> 00:19:25,941
- Yes, and that's
Martina's first Halloween.
363
00:19:28,516 --> 00:19:32,560
On Halloween, he told me that I had to go
364
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with him on his trucking trip.
365
00:19:35,385 --> 00:19:38,718
And I told him no, that I had to work.
366
00:19:38,718 --> 00:19:40,968
And he said I was gonna go,
367
00:19:42,299 --> 00:19:46,913
that he wasn't gonna leave
me there to cheat on him.
368
00:19:46,913 --> 00:19:48,913
And so he made me go and
369
00:19:51,475 --> 00:19:55,642
when we got in Tennessee is
when he started beating me.
370
00:19:58,117 --> 00:20:01,928
Martina, just, she
asked him over and over,
371
00:20:01,928 --> 00:20:05,246
"Why are you doing it to my,
why are you hurting my mama?"
372
00:20:05,246 --> 00:20:07,753
And he would tell her,
"She doesn't love you,
373
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"and she doesn't love me,
it's okay to hurt Mommy."
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00:20:12,429 --> 00:20:15,846
And he would hit me with the flash light.
375
00:20:17,450 --> 00:20:21,617
He hit me in the head, on
the shoulders, the elbows.
376
00:20:22,511 --> 00:20:25,871
He would hit my knees so
hard that I could hardly
377
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bend my legs.
- Mm-hmm.
378
00:20:28,399 --> 00:20:32,524
- He would put, while he was
beating me, there was a little
379
00:20:32,524 --> 00:20:36,607
mirror, about that big,
on the side of the truck.
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00:20:37,961 --> 00:20:42,339
And he would hit me, and
then he get me by the hair,
381
00:20:42,339 --> 00:20:44,876
and pull me up and make
me look in that mirror
382
00:20:44,876 --> 00:20:48,016
and ask me if it was worth it.
383
00:20:48,016 --> 00:20:51,906
We stopped at one truck stop
to get him some meatballs.
384
00:20:51,906 --> 00:20:55,214
And Martina said she wanted some.
385
00:20:55,214 --> 00:20:58,286
And he said, "No, you can't have some
386
00:20:58,286 --> 00:21:01,375
"until your mommy tells me the truth."
387
00:21:01,375 --> 00:21:03,283
And he said, "And you can tell your mommy
388
00:21:03,283 --> 00:21:06,360
to tell me the truth if you want some."
389
00:21:06,360 --> 00:21:09,162
And so she started crying,
because she was really hungry,
390
00:21:09,162 --> 00:21:13,493
and she told me to tell
her daddy the truth.
391
00:21:13,493 --> 00:21:17,769
And I told her that I
had, and she was screaming
392
00:21:17,769 --> 00:21:21,216
and begging me,"Please
tell Daddy the truth."
393
00:21:21,216 --> 00:21:22,966
And that was so hard.
394
00:21:24,163 --> 00:21:26,641
Robbie got one of them out of the pack,
395
00:21:26,641 --> 00:21:30,367
and he looked at Martina,
and he held it in her face,
396
00:21:30,367 --> 00:21:32,942
and he said, "Look, this
is gonna be so good."
397
00:21:32,942 --> 00:21:35,628
And he took a bite of it and
was going, "Mmm, Martina,
398
00:21:35,628 --> 00:21:38,636
"this is so good, and
just think, if your mommy
399
00:21:38,636 --> 00:21:41,313
"had told me the truth,
you could had some."
400
00:21:41,313 --> 00:21:43,418
It was just all I could take.
401
00:21:43,418 --> 00:21:48,152
And I grabbed the flashlight,
and I was just gonna beat it.
402
00:21:48,152 --> 00:21:50,625
I just couldn't stand
it, and I was just bound
403
00:21:50,625 --> 00:21:53,368
and determined I was gonna beat him.
404
00:21:53,368 --> 00:21:55,708
And when he saw me grab the flashlight,
405
00:21:55,708 --> 00:21:57,604
he dropped the meatballs.
406
00:21:57,604 --> 00:21:58,937
And when he did,
407
00:22:02,257 --> 00:22:05,427
I grabbed the meatballs
and let him beat me
408
00:22:05,427 --> 00:22:10,157
with the flashlight and while
I fed the meatballs to her.
409
00:22:10,157 --> 00:22:13,216
And I didn't care how hard he hit me.
410
00:22:13,216 --> 00:22:15,830
As long as she got those meatballs.
411
00:22:15,830 --> 00:22:19,754
I didn't care, the whole time
that I fed those meatballs
412
00:22:19,754 --> 00:22:22,587
to her, he hit me that flashlight.
413
00:22:23,870 --> 00:22:28,371
And I could feel my knees
swelling, it was so hard
414
00:22:28,371 --> 00:22:31,251
to hold on to them, but I
was bound and determined
415
00:22:31,251 --> 00:22:33,834
that I was going to, and I did.
416
00:22:34,850 --> 00:22:38,933
I wasn't gonna let my baby
starve because of him.
417
00:22:39,997 --> 00:22:44,164
- He wasn't arrested until,
when was it, November 9th?
418
00:22:47,429 --> 00:22:50,321
The charges were just
filed, assault on a female.
419
00:22:50,321 --> 00:22:53,091
I just felt like why wasn't
there attempted murder?
420
00:22:53,091 --> 00:22:54,583
- Mm-hmm.
- Deanna and I had met with
421
00:22:54,583 --> 00:22:58,354
That DA, I think a week
or two before that.
422
00:22:58,354 --> 00:22:59,978
- Mm-hmm.
- And he had told us
423
00:22:59,978 --> 00:23:01,984
that she didn't have a very strong case.
424
00:23:01,984 --> 00:23:04,524
Because most of her stuff
happened out of state.
425
00:23:04,524 --> 00:23:07,684
The DA said that the Grand
Jury would ask Deanna why she
426
00:23:07,684 --> 00:23:12,155
left, what was her reason
for leaving the county him?
427
00:23:12,155 --> 00:23:14,965
Because at first, it was willing,
428
00:23:14,965 --> 00:23:17,491
they would say she left willingly.
429
00:23:17,491 --> 00:23:19,472
It was after she left North Carolina
430
00:23:19,472 --> 00:23:21,984
that the beatings start.
431
00:23:21,984 --> 00:23:25,012
So that they would completely
just turn back on her.
432
00:23:25,012 --> 00:23:27,055
- Mm-hmm.
- And, basically,
433
00:23:27,055 --> 00:23:29,601
he was gonna get off, on a state level,
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00:23:29,601 --> 00:23:30,962
for what had happened to her.
435
00:23:30,962 --> 00:23:33,379
(slow music)
436
00:23:43,818 --> 00:23:46,266
- I've seen cases like
this over and over again.
437
00:23:46,266 --> 00:23:48,643
Where women are severely
beaten, sometimes shot,
438
00:23:48,643 --> 00:23:51,330
and sometimes stabbed, and
the offender is charged
439
00:23:51,330 --> 00:23:55,114
with assault on a female, or
assault with a deadly weapon.
440
00:23:55,114 --> 00:23:57,871
Both charges charged as misdemeanors.
441
00:23:57,871 --> 00:24:02,038
But we have a law on the books
that says that if you steal
442
00:24:03,416 --> 00:24:05,993
a bale of pine straw, that's a felony.
443
00:24:05,993 --> 00:24:08,740
Despite the fact that we'd
like to think that those laws
444
00:24:08,740 --> 00:24:12,907
are outdated, the belief
systems behind those laws
445
00:24:14,586 --> 00:24:17,256
are still very much a part
of the way things get played
446
00:24:17,256 --> 00:24:20,816
out in court every day,
across the country.
447
00:24:20,816 --> 00:24:23,816
(slow guitar music)
448
00:24:38,610 --> 00:24:40,314
- So, it's kind of busy today.
449
00:24:40,314 --> 00:24:43,272
- It is, this this an extremely busy day.
450
00:24:43,272 --> 00:24:44,808
- [Kit] They're bringing
the guy over from jail.
451
00:24:44,808 --> 00:24:46,994
- That's this one.
- Is that for
452
00:24:46,994 --> 00:24:48,464
a restraining order violation?
453
00:24:48,464 --> 00:24:51,259
- He was arrested for the same
incident that she took out
454
00:24:51,259 --> 00:24:53,465
the DVP for.
- Oh, uh-huh, uh-huh.
455
00:24:53,465 --> 00:24:57,432
- Yes, sir.
- I met with the DA's office
456
00:24:57,432 --> 00:24:59,515
down the security report.
457
00:25:00,427 --> 00:25:02,999
- [Judge] Thank you and we will come back
458
00:25:02,999 --> 00:25:04,941
for this matter shortly,
459
00:25:04,941 --> 00:25:07,557
and thank you for your
patience in that regard.
460
00:25:07,557 --> 00:25:10,097
So that completes the call
of our Civil Calender,
461
00:25:10,097 --> 00:25:11,403
is there anybody?
462
00:25:11,403 --> 00:25:12,803
- So we're just trying to explain to her
463
00:25:12,803 --> 00:25:14,618
what may happen today.
464
00:25:14,618 --> 00:25:17,244
- Mm-hmm, what do you want to have happen?
465
00:25:17,244 --> 00:25:19,946
- I just want him to stay
away from me that's all.
466
00:25:19,946 --> 00:25:21,460
He gets out today, so I just want him
467
00:25:21,460 --> 00:25:22,454
to stay away from me.
468
00:25:22,454 --> 00:25:23,901
- Did he get picked up on Friday?
469
00:25:23,901 --> 00:25:25,500
- No, he got picked up a week before last,
470
00:25:25,500 --> 00:25:26,833
- It was Thursday,
- March 1st, and,
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00:25:26,833 --> 00:25:28,451
- Does he have a long history?
472
00:25:28,451 --> 00:25:31,183
- Oh yeah, he's a felon, a big felon.
473
00:25:31,183 --> 00:25:34,409
And this is third offense
assault on a female.
474
00:25:34,409 --> 00:25:35,551
- With you, or with other women?
475
00:25:35,551 --> 00:25:36,696
- Other women.
476
00:25:36,696 --> 00:25:39,882
- [Lawyer] And just with her
case, there are three or four
477
00:25:39,882 --> 00:25:42,117
felony charges.
- Three felonies.
478
00:25:42,117 --> 00:25:44,015
- Do you have family close by?
479
00:25:44,015 --> 00:25:45,920
- Yeah.
- So you feel,
480
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,223
when you're at home, you
feel like you're pretty safe?
481
00:25:48,223 --> 00:25:49,745
- No (laughs).
- No.
482
00:25:49,745 --> 00:25:51,149
- He's got it all.
- He's got friends.
483
00:25:51,149 --> 00:25:52,790
- My worry is he's gonna get
- Her worry is more who he
484
00:25:52,790 --> 00:25:54,545
knows or is going to ask.
- Some other people,
485
00:25:54,545 --> 00:25:58,164
'cause his cousin lives
less than a mile from me.
486
00:25:58,164 --> 00:25:59,966
- Does the judge know all this?
487
00:25:59,966 --> 00:26:01,036
- No, not at all.
- No, she hasn't had a chance
488
00:26:01,036 --> 00:26:02,433
to talk to him yet.
489
00:26:02,433 --> 00:26:04,236
- Make sure that he knows all this stuff,
490
00:26:04,236 --> 00:26:07,543
because the restraining
order's supposed to say
491
00:26:07,543 --> 00:26:09,437
no third party contact, too.
492
00:26:09,437 --> 00:26:11,770
- Yeah.
- So the, this sounds
493
00:26:13,860 --> 00:26:17,943
fairly serious, don't be
afraid to say anything.
494
00:26:19,805 --> 00:26:23,637
It's not your job to fix broken men.
495
00:26:23,637 --> 00:26:28,183
- No, tell me about it.
(both laughing)
496
00:26:28,183 --> 00:26:30,999
- A lot of us think that
it is, but it's not.
497
00:26:30,999 --> 00:26:34,332
- Yeah, well (mumbling)
498
00:26:35,367 --> 00:26:37,867
- I'm sorry.
- Well, thank you.
499
00:26:40,410 --> 00:26:42,554
- Well, it was nice to meet you.
500
00:26:42,554 --> 00:26:44,304
- Thank you, you too.
501
00:26:46,243 --> 00:26:49,077
- All rise.
- Alright, we're here today
502
00:26:49,077 --> 00:26:52,825
to address the matter of
a civil restraining order,
503
00:26:52,825 --> 00:26:55,874
that would bar you from
having any contact.
504
00:26:55,874 --> 00:26:58,502
What would you like to do,
would you like a moment
505
00:26:58,502 --> 00:27:00,310
to talk to Ms. Kennabrou?
506
00:27:00,310 --> 00:27:01,669
- Yes.
- Yes, sir.
507
00:27:01,669 --> 00:27:03,051
- [Judge] Alright, thank you, yes, ma'am.
508
00:27:03,051 --> 00:27:07,164
- It was a concern of Ms.
Morgan's that third party,
509
00:27:07,164 --> 00:27:09,993
no third party contact be
allowed, and that'd be entered,
510
00:27:09,993 --> 00:27:10,881
- [Judge] That would be the condition
511
00:27:10,881 --> 00:27:12,298
of a DVPM.
- Okay
512
00:27:22,856 --> 00:27:24,909
- [Ms. Morgan] He turned
around and looked at me,
513
00:27:24,909 --> 00:27:26,576
with that, his look.
514
00:27:29,631 --> 00:27:32,048
(slow music)
515
00:28:01,454 --> 00:28:03,454
- Yes, ma'am, what's up?
516
00:28:04,470 --> 00:28:08,065
- So, I wanna talk with you
a little bit about this case
517
00:28:08,065 --> 00:28:12,476
in Ashe County, involving
a woman who was kidnapped.
518
00:28:12,476 --> 00:28:13,837
Pretty severe beating.
519
00:28:13,837 --> 00:28:16,233
- And when you say kidnapped, do you mean?
520
00:28:16,233 --> 00:28:17,938
- Kidnapped.
- Okay, held against her will,
521
00:28:17,938 --> 00:28:19,248
- Held against her will,
522
00:28:19,248 --> 00:28:20,148
She and her daughter,
- Transported.
523
00:28:20,148 --> 00:28:24,315
- She and her daughter were
taken out of the state,
524
00:28:25,899 --> 00:28:28,559
and driven all the way to
California, and halfway back.
525
00:28:28,559 --> 00:28:30,241
And the truck was stopped in Oklahoma.
526
00:28:30,241 --> 00:28:32,245
This was in an 18-wheeler.
- Okay.
527
00:28:32,245 --> 00:28:34,751
- And he beat her for 4 1/2 days.
528
00:28:34,751 --> 00:28:37,918
- What kind of injuries does she have?
529
00:28:40,110 --> 00:28:43,388
Holy crap.
- So, this is the injuries.
530
00:28:43,388 --> 00:28:46,240
- What'd he use?
- His fists,
531
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,990
a Maglite flashlight, he bit her.
532
00:28:53,383 --> 00:28:56,159
- Any internal injuries?
533
00:28:56,159 --> 00:28:58,690
Or is it all, is it all tissue injury?
534
00:28:58,690 --> 00:28:59,996
Soft tissue injury?
535
00:28:59,996 --> 00:29:02,089
- Well, he also strangled her.
536
00:29:02,089 --> 00:29:04,274
- Okay, do we have any
medical doctor who's gonna say
537
00:29:04,274 --> 00:29:06,524
these are serious injuries?
538
00:29:08,054 --> 00:29:11,804
'Cause in state court,
that's the tough part.
539
00:29:12,718 --> 00:29:15,083
Is when we're talking
about soft tissue injuries,
540
00:29:15,083 --> 00:29:18,622
when you don't have damage to
the spleen, internal injuries,
541
00:29:18,622 --> 00:29:21,122
or cuts that require stitches.
542
00:29:23,055 --> 00:29:25,855
Concussions can be serious injury.
543
00:29:25,855 --> 00:29:29,245
- The local prosecutor called
this a misdemeanor assault.
544
00:29:29,245 --> 00:29:31,438
- Okay, no.
- Yes.
545
00:29:31,438 --> 00:29:34,529
- Okay, no, I would push felony charges,
546
00:29:34,529 --> 00:29:38,723
probably for kidnapping,
if it's a Maglite,
547
00:29:38,723 --> 00:29:42,511
a Maglite's a deadly weapon,
assault with a deadly weapon,
548
00:29:42,511 --> 00:29:44,351
inflicting serious injury.
549
00:29:44,351 --> 00:29:47,442
It's all about getting a medical
doctor to say on the stand,
550
00:29:47,442 --> 00:29:49,888
"Yes, this is serious injury."
551
00:29:49,888 --> 00:29:51,748
Is it serious bodily injury?
552
00:29:51,748 --> 00:29:55,603
Sure, is it protracted pain and suffering
553
00:29:55,603 --> 00:29:59,429
that she has suffered, yeah, I think so.
554
00:29:59,429 --> 00:30:02,634
But even if we succeed on all levels,
555
00:30:02,634 --> 00:30:06,524
what I'm telling you, Kit, is
that you may not be satisfied
556
00:30:06,524 --> 00:30:08,948
with the amount of time
that they're gonna get
557
00:30:08,948 --> 00:30:10,109
at the state level.
558
00:30:10,109 --> 00:30:12,232
- If he was convicted only
of misdemeanor assault
559
00:30:12,232 --> 00:30:14,748
on a female, even with doing this.
560
00:30:14,748 --> 00:30:16,008
- Yep.
- What would he
561
00:30:16,008 --> 00:30:17,340
be looking at as far as time?
562
00:30:17,340 --> 00:30:19,637
- The most he could receive
is 150 days in jail.
563
00:30:19,637 --> 00:30:22,430
- 150 days in jail for this.
- That's it.
564
00:30:22,430 --> 00:30:25,568
So that's what I'm saying,
you have a clearer case
565
00:30:25,568 --> 00:30:28,261
where he's transporting a
woman across state lines,
566
00:30:28,261 --> 00:30:31,462
for the purpose of terrorizing
and assaulting her.
567
00:30:31,462 --> 00:30:34,640
That is a federal case, all over.
568
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:36,624
And so what we need to do,
or what you need to do,
569
00:30:36,624 --> 00:30:40,989
since it's not in my
county, is really push
570
00:30:40,989 --> 00:30:44,772
and talk to the federal
prosecutor in that area.
571
00:30:44,772 --> 00:30:47,303
In that district, which would
be the Western District.
572
00:30:47,303 --> 00:30:50,514
And say, this is the case,
and get them interested in it.
573
00:30:50,514 --> 00:30:52,369
I think they will be.
- Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
574
00:30:52,369 --> 00:30:54,351
- I think they will be.
- Yeah.
575
00:30:54,351 --> 00:30:56,768
(slow music)
576
00:31:12,152 --> 00:31:16,155
- That's basically where
everything started that night.
577
00:31:16,155 --> 00:31:19,322
Robbie just pulled up to the hospital,
578
00:31:22,937 --> 00:31:26,025
in one of the lower parking lots.
579
00:31:26,025 --> 00:31:29,891
He said if I screamed, the
security guards couldn't hear me.
580
00:31:29,891 --> 00:31:33,058
And that's where he started his abuse.
581
00:31:43,304 --> 00:31:47,221
I separated from him
because he was hitting me.
582
00:31:49,464 --> 00:31:53,214
And then, he convinced
me, along with others,
583
00:31:55,835 --> 00:31:57,502
that he had changed.
584
00:31:59,195 --> 00:32:01,445
And I wanted to believe it.
585
00:32:02,455 --> 00:32:05,855
And for my sake, and for Martina's sake,
586
00:32:05,855 --> 00:32:09,938
I wanted Martina to have
a daddy, she missed him.
587
00:32:11,106 --> 00:32:14,799
Let him back into our lives, and it was
588
00:32:14,799 --> 00:32:17,466
the biggest mistake I ever made.
589
00:32:18,885 --> 00:32:21,903
My parents are scared for me, really.
590
00:32:21,903 --> 00:32:26,419
I feel they're scared for
me to be with anybody.
591
00:32:26,419 --> 00:32:30,419
They don't, they're just
too overprotective now.
592
00:32:32,947 --> 00:32:36,456
They were then, but now it's worse.
593
00:32:36,456 --> 00:32:40,373
They're afraid Robbie's
family's gonna hurt me.
594
00:32:41,446 --> 00:32:43,529
But I don't, I don't like
595
00:32:46,051 --> 00:32:48,051
feeling like I'm pitied.
596
00:32:51,105 --> 00:32:53,522
(slow music)
597
00:33:10,918 --> 00:33:14,126
- Since you are the
nation's foremost expert
598
00:33:14,126 --> 00:33:17,838
on strangulation assaults,
this looks to me like she
599
00:33:17,838 --> 00:33:19,724
was pretty seriously assaulted.
600
00:33:19,724 --> 00:33:23,891
- (coughing) Okay, so give
me a 30 second overview,
601
00:33:26,367 --> 00:33:29,250
beginning with the fact, that
she is still living, correct?
602
00:33:29,250 --> 00:33:31,854
- She's still alive, she and her daughter
603
00:33:31,854 --> 00:33:34,206
were kidnapped by her husband.
604
00:33:34,206 --> 00:33:38,181
He beat her from North
Carolina to California.
605
00:33:38,181 --> 00:33:40,824
The truck was stopped in Oklahoma.
606
00:33:40,824 --> 00:33:45,024
Now he was not arrested,
by the Oklahoma police.
607
00:33:45,024 --> 00:33:46,926
They just told him that he
had to find his own way back
608
00:33:46,926 --> 00:33:49,373
to North Carolina and that was it.
609
00:33:49,373 --> 00:33:51,941
I mean, when you look
at Deanna's photographs,
610
00:33:51,941 --> 00:33:55,524
as a strangulation
expert, what do you see?
611
00:33:57,329 --> 00:34:00,412
- Alright (sighing).
612
00:34:06,382 --> 00:34:07,632
Well, it's bad.
613
00:34:09,528 --> 00:34:13,645
It's bad, one has to
immediately go to the petechiae
614
00:34:13,645 --> 00:34:17,714
around her left eye and,
to a certain extent,
615
00:34:17,714 --> 00:34:19,529
around her right eye.
616
00:34:19,529 --> 00:34:21,779
The white part of her eye,
the sclera, looks bloody
617
00:34:21,779 --> 00:34:24,959
towards the middle part, and
that even looks more like
618
00:34:24,959 --> 00:34:27,429
a subconjunctival hemorrhage.
619
00:34:27,429 --> 00:34:30,670
So that's the tiny little
capillaries in the white part
620
00:34:30,670 --> 00:34:34,837
of your eye actually bursting
from the choke hold itself.
621
00:34:37,690 --> 00:34:40,968
Any emergency physical would
be thinking, "Could she
622
00:34:40,968 --> 00:34:42,812
have been strangled?"
- Mm-hmm.
623
00:34:42,812 --> 00:34:46,729
- And that's in addition
to the other elements.
624
00:34:47,990 --> 00:34:51,272
- Now, one of the things
that she has said to me
625
00:34:51,272 --> 00:34:55,439
is that she had a seizure
disorder that was in check.
626
00:34:56,897 --> 00:34:59,040
Until she was assaulted like this.
627
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:03,018
- If you're cutting off all
the blood supply to the brain,
628
00:35:03,018 --> 00:35:04,995
which is one of the reasons you pass out
629
00:35:04,995 --> 00:35:07,977
when you're strangled, if
you have a seizure disorder,
630
00:35:07,977 --> 00:35:12,144
it's going to start evidencing
it's pathology again.
631
00:35:16,324 --> 00:35:20,491
There should be a lot less
here, that would have even been
632
00:35:21,559 --> 00:35:25,059
prosecuted with a third of this pathology,
633
00:35:26,399 --> 00:35:28,566
a tenth of this pathology.
634
00:35:36,409 --> 00:35:39,639
I can't process that, I can't.
635
00:35:39,639 --> 00:35:42,056
(slow music)
636
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:58,520
(people chattering)
637
00:36:13,954 --> 00:36:15,480
- Do you want a peanut
butter and jelly sandwich?
638
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:16,313
- Hmm?
- Do you want a
639
00:36:16,313 --> 00:36:18,312
peanut butter and jelly sandwich?
640
00:36:18,312 --> 00:36:21,145
- I'm gonna make some tuna.
- Okay.
641
00:36:23,413 --> 00:36:26,636
- (laughs) Good girl.
642
00:36:26,636 --> 00:36:27,994
- And then the bitch calls,
- Yep.
643
00:36:27,994 --> 00:36:32,283
- The social worker called,
and wants to cover for Mike.
644
00:36:32,283 --> 00:36:35,644
It was a miscommunication,
a fuckin' miscommunication,
645
00:36:35,644 --> 00:36:37,741
my ass, is what went through by brain.
646
00:36:37,741 --> 00:36:39,177
But, yes, Ma'am, I understand,
(people laughing)
647
00:36:39,177 --> 00:36:42,582
thank you very much, I'll
see you in court on Thursday.
648
00:36:42,582 --> 00:36:45,287
I've already called my
attorney, thank you.
649
00:36:45,287 --> 00:36:47,050
- As the special order want.
650
00:36:47,050 --> 00:36:49,983
- Let me ask you something.
- Okay.
651
00:36:49,983 --> 00:36:50,908
- I felt fuckin' wonderful.
652
00:36:50,908 --> 00:36:53,920
- What brought you home,
what brought you back here?
653
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:57,675
- That, one, you let me
come back home after I had
654
00:36:57,675 --> 00:37:01,052
that nervous breakdown
that I had last weekend.
655
00:37:01,052 --> 00:37:03,951
You let me come back home,
and you believed in me,
656
00:37:03,951 --> 00:37:05,284
and you believed in me.
657
00:37:05,284 --> 00:37:07,492
And these girls believed in me.
658
00:37:07,492 --> 00:37:11,329
- That's right, and we believe in you.
659
00:37:11,329 --> 00:37:13,305
- I'm able to stay sane.
660
00:37:13,305 --> 00:37:14,804
- It's 'cause you're worth it,
661
00:37:14,804 --> 00:37:17,834
don't ever let anybody tell you otherwise.
662
00:37:17,834 --> 00:37:19,584
- I refuse to.
- Good.
663
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:21,916
- That's right.
- Fuck 'em.
664
00:37:21,916 --> 00:37:24,507
- You know I'll say it.
- Be happy she is.
665
00:37:24,507 --> 00:37:26,340
- That's why I'm here.
666
00:37:27,887 --> 00:37:32,054
(rain spattering)
(wipers rocking)
667
00:37:34,699 --> 00:37:38,094
- Here we go, North Carolina thunderstorm.
668
00:37:38,094 --> 00:37:42,636
This case that I'm working
on right now involves a woman
669
00:37:42,636 --> 00:37:46,469
who killed her abuser,
after a number of years
670
00:37:47,740 --> 00:37:51,223
of real severe domestic violence.
671
00:37:51,223 --> 00:37:54,324
What I'm gonna do today is go
down and meet with her sister.
672
00:37:54,324 --> 00:37:57,752
And her sister, Regina, has
photographs of what Latina
673
00:37:57,752 --> 00:38:01,919
looked like before she got
together with her boyfriend.
674
00:38:03,493 --> 00:38:07,114
During the time that she was
with him, he puncher her in
675
00:38:07,114 --> 00:38:10,793
the eye so many times that she's
now blind in her right eye.
676
00:38:10,793 --> 00:38:13,923
And then I just wanna get a
sense of what we can all do
677
00:38:13,923 --> 00:38:16,006
to try to support Latina.
678
00:38:16,919 --> 00:38:18,936
She's charged with first-degree
murder, so she's looking
679
00:38:18,936 --> 00:38:22,001
at spending the rest
of her life in prison.
680
00:38:22,001 --> 00:38:25,001
(door clunking)
Hi.
681
00:38:34,889 --> 00:38:36,962
When were these pictures taken?
682
00:38:36,962 --> 00:38:39,222
- Those pictures are like
eight or nine years ago.
683
00:38:39,222 --> 00:38:40,941
- From eight or nine years ago.
684
00:38:40,941 --> 00:38:43,049
Do you mind if I snap
pictures of this picture
685
00:38:43,049 --> 00:38:44,882
with my phone?
- Mm-mm.
686
00:38:48,829 --> 00:38:50,608
You've been to see her in jail, right?
687
00:38:50,608 --> 00:38:52,117
- Mm-hmm.
- So you see
688
00:38:52,117 --> 00:38:54,720
how beautiful she was here.
- Mm-hmm.
689
00:38:54,720 --> 00:38:57,396
And then now, her eye looks like it does.
690
00:38:57,396 --> 00:38:59,498
So she's told me several
times that she really
691
00:38:59,498 --> 00:39:01,537
loved him a lot.
- Mm-hmm.
692
00:39:01,537 --> 00:39:05,408
Because every time he beat up
on her, she still went back.
693
00:39:05,408 --> 00:39:07,491
And we just asked her why
694
00:39:10,441 --> 00:39:13,327
you wanna go through things like that.
695
00:39:13,327 --> 00:39:14,892
- What'd she say?
- She said she love him.
696
00:39:14,892 --> 00:39:19,017
- Uh-huh, your mom mentioned
to me that she'd gone through
697
00:39:19,017 --> 00:39:20,693
a lot of stuff with your dad.
698
00:39:20,693 --> 00:39:24,420
- Mm-hmm, my sister, she
told me that is why she is
699
00:39:24,420 --> 00:39:28,972
the way she is right now,
because my dad used to beat up
700
00:39:28,972 --> 00:39:30,952
on my mom all the time.
701
00:39:30,952 --> 00:39:33,853
That's why she feel like she
don't want to leave Woody,
702
00:39:33,853 --> 00:39:37,604
because she knows it's not
normal, but, in her mind,
703
00:39:37,604 --> 00:39:39,364
it's normal to her, you
know what I'm saying?
704
00:39:39,364 --> 00:39:41,678
- Mm-hmm.
- I kept telling my sister,
705
00:39:41,678 --> 00:39:45,009
If you don't leave, he
gonna end up killing you.
706
00:39:45,009 --> 00:39:47,243
And it was just shocking to know
707
00:39:47,243 --> 00:39:49,826
that it happened the other way.
708
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:54,958
Because we cried plenty
of times on the phone,
709
00:39:54,958 --> 00:39:59,125
talking about this, that he's
gonna kill her and all that.
710
00:40:02,448 --> 00:40:06,531
I was hurt, because when
things like that happen,
711
00:40:12,061 --> 00:40:13,561
you gotta survive.
712
00:40:14,761 --> 00:40:17,426
- That's why he kept
that business so much.
713
00:40:17,426 --> 00:40:20,986
Yeah, she was always scared
because he would always throw
714
00:40:20,986 --> 00:40:23,275
that fist out, he done shot at her.
715
00:40:23,275 --> 00:40:26,773
He done shot at her and my
cousin at the same time.
716
00:40:26,773 --> 00:40:30,147
'Cause my cousin was sticking
up for her when he was about
717
00:40:30,147 --> 00:40:32,313
to beat her up, and she
said, "No, you're not fittin'
718
00:40:32,313 --> 00:40:33,607
"to beat her up in front of me."
719
00:40:33,607 --> 00:40:35,773
So then he started shooting at them.
720
00:40:35,773 --> 00:40:38,789
- Your cousin?
- My cousin, and they're
721
00:40:38,789 --> 00:40:41,780
running down the path.
- See, this is the stuff.
722
00:40:41,780 --> 00:40:43,102
- They're running down the pathway.
723
00:40:43,102 --> 00:40:47,269
- This little stuff like this,
what's your cousin's name?
724
00:40:49,862 --> 00:40:52,347
And see, if he'd have ever been arrested,
725
00:40:52,347 --> 00:40:55,489
and gone to jail for what he was doing,
726
00:40:55,489 --> 00:40:58,818
then maybe that would given her a break.
727
00:40:58,818 --> 00:41:02,985
- I was thinking that, yeah,
one of the time, the last time,
728
00:41:04,204 --> 00:41:07,112
when he beat her up
like really, really bad,
729
00:41:07,112 --> 00:41:10,363
that he messed up her eye,
her ribs and all that.
730
00:41:10,363 --> 00:41:13,023
I think he had a warrant
for his arrest for that.
731
00:41:13,023 --> 00:41:16,926
- Right, right, but then he
was killed before they ever got
732
00:41:16,926 --> 00:41:19,038
a chance to do anything with that.
733
00:41:19,038 --> 00:41:20,819
- Yeah.
- Right.
734
00:41:20,819 --> 00:41:24,986
If you can think of anybody
else that has, like this woman
735
00:41:25,883 --> 00:41:28,761
that was with Latina when he
shot at them, please send me
736
00:41:28,761 --> 00:41:30,483
that information, so that,
- Okay.
737
00:41:30,483 --> 00:41:33,051
- we just, I wanna make
sure that when it's time
738
00:41:33,051 --> 00:41:35,890
to go to court, that
everybody's real clear about how
739
00:41:35,890 --> 00:41:39,161
dangerous he was, okay?
- Yeah, mm-hmm.
740
00:41:39,161 --> 00:41:41,994
(rain spattering)
741
00:41:49,044 --> 00:41:51,741
- So the Harnett County
judicial buildings are coming
742
00:41:51,741 --> 00:41:53,560
up on the right-hand side.
743
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:55,654
The detention center's
back behind the courthouse,
744
00:41:55,654 --> 00:41:57,904
and that's where Latina is.
745
00:42:00,013 --> 00:42:04,180
Where she's been since last,
the end of last November.
746
00:42:05,851 --> 00:42:08,870
And I've worked other cases
with women who have killed
747
00:42:08,870 --> 00:42:12,010
their abusers and they've
told me that they feel safer
748
00:42:12,010 --> 00:42:16,598
in prison than they ever felt
out in the world, with him.
749
00:42:16,598 --> 00:42:20,765
Because he was so predatory and
the courts just didn't care.
750
00:42:21,900 --> 00:42:25,257
I mean, I can think of all kinds of women
751
00:42:25,257 --> 00:42:26,532
that I've talked to.
752
00:42:26,532 --> 00:42:29,516
And they have told me that once
she killed him, and she went
753
00:42:29,516 --> 00:42:33,683
to prison, that was the first
time in years she felt safe.
754
00:42:34,603 --> 00:42:38,770
(rain spattering)
(wind rustling)
755
00:42:46,620 --> 00:42:49,764
- In general, when we're
thinking about accepting a case,
756
00:42:49,764 --> 00:42:52,914
one of the things we think
about, one of the things I think
757
00:42:52,914 --> 00:42:56,509
about, is, how am I gonna prove this case?
758
00:42:56,509 --> 00:42:58,099
And if it has to go to trial,
759
00:42:58,099 --> 00:43:00,436
how am I gonna prove the case at trial?
760
00:43:00,436 --> 00:43:04,751
What is my evidence gonna be
at trial and how will the jury
761
00:43:04,751 --> 00:43:07,168
be affected by that evidence.
762
00:43:08,359 --> 00:43:09,896
I mean, the pictures are just,
763
00:43:09,896 --> 00:43:13,063
they say it better than any words can.
764
00:43:14,322 --> 00:43:18,791
The fact that it seemed to
be a very good, viable case
765
00:43:18,791 --> 00:43:20,653
A Violence Against Women Act case.
766
00:43:20,653 --> 00:43:22,557
The interstate domestic
violence, we had the crossing
767
00:43:22,557 --> 00:43:26,724
of the state lines, it seemed
like if we didn't do it,
768
00:43:27,616 --> 00:43:29,214
nobody else was going to.
769
00:43:29,214 --> 00:43:30,748
Because there were a lot of times
770
00:43:30,748 --> 00:43:32,754
she didn't know where she was.
771
00:43:32,754 --> 00:43:36,747
So she didn't know whether a
particular assault happened
772
00:43:36,747 --> 00:43:40,302
in Oklahoma or New Mexico,
but we knew that she had
773
00:43:40,302 --> 00:43:42,821
been forcibly taken from here.
774
00:43:42,821 --> 00:43:46,461
So we could prosecute it here,
and if we didn't prosecute
775
00:43:46,461 --> 00:43:49,525
it here, it may not have been
prosecuted any place else.
776
00:43:49,525 --> 00:43:52,929
Because we didn't know where
the assaults were taking place.
777
00:43:52,929 --> 00:43:55,622
So that also made it
compelling, if we weren't gonna
778
00:43:55,622 --> 00:43:58,876
do anything, then maybe
nothing was gonna be done.
779
00:43:58,876 --> 00:44:00,341
And something had to be done.
780
00:44:00,341 --> 00:44:03,341
(slow guitar music)
781
00:44:19,304 --> 00:44:20,468
- Hey there, we're just about there,
782
00:44:20,468 --> 00:44:22,836
we're like five minutes away.
783
00:44:22,836 --> 00:44:26,836
Alright, I'll see you in
a few minutes, bye-bye.
784
00:44:29,613 --> 00:44:33,504
We're gonna go talk with
Deanna about how she's feeling
785
00:44:33,504 --> 00:44:36,805
about court and about what's
it going to mean to her,
786
00:44:36,805 --> 00:44:39,480
to be able to take the witness stand.
787
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:43,647
And say out loud what Robbie
did to her, and to Martina.
788
00:44:49,275 --> 00:44:50,469
Are you nervous about testifying
789
00:44:50,469 --> 00:44:52,038
or do you feel okay about it?
790
00:44:52,038 --> 00:44:55,031
So what are you doing to prepare yourself?
791
00:44:55,031 --> 00:44:58,654
- Just keep telling myself
that I know I can do it.
792
00:44:58,654 --> 00:45:02,249
And I've got a lot of
people backing me up.
793
00:45:02,249 --> 00:45:05,832
This is Deanna's thick
file, her case file.
794
00:45:09,823 --> 00:45:13,858
District Attorney said that
a juror or defense attorney
795
00:45:13,858 --> 00:45:18,025
may ask why she didn't call
someone and ask for help.
796
00:45:19,324 --> 00:45:21,508
And Robbie had told her
not to pick up a phone
797
00:45:21,508 --> 00:45:23,611
at the truck stop.
798
00:45:23,611 --> 00:45:26,823
Stated that, many would
argue that she had the chance
799
00:45:26,823 --> 00:45:29,357
to get away in Virginia,
when they stopped at
800
00:45:29,357 --> 00:45:32,422
a truck stop for several hours.
801
00:45:32,422 --> 00:45:36,900
- What do you think you'll
say when his defense attorneys
802
00:45:36,900 --> 00:45:38,872
try to say things to you
like, "Why didn't you try
803
00:45:38,872 --> 00:45:40,890
to get away?" Or, "Why
didn't you call the police?"
804
00:45:40,890 --> 00:45:42,807
Or something like that?
805
00:45:45,168 --> 00:45:47,574
- I was too scared.
806
00:45:47,574 --> 00:45:51,641
There was lots of things,
ways, running through my mind.
807
00:45:51,641 --> 00:45:55,123
Of how I could get away,
but I couldn't do it.
808
00:45:55,123 --> 00:45:57,140
I was afraid I would wake him up,
809
00:45:57,140 --> 00:45:59,259
if Martina had made a noise.
810
00:45:59,259 --> 00:46:02,556
He would have instantly woke up.
811
00:46:02,556 --> 00:46:06,639
And she had coloring books
and crayons, I thought
812
00:46:08,831 --> 00:46:12,648
about tearing the back out
of one of the coloring books
813
00:46:12,648 --> 00:46:17,527
and writing help me, and
sticking it behind the curtain.
814
00:46:17,527 --> 00:46:21,013
Maybe people passing by on
the interstate would see it.
815
00:46:21,013 --> 00:46:25,180
And call the law, and then,
again, I was afraid he would
816
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:31,075
see it and if he did see
it, he would probably have
817
00:46:31,075 --> 00:46:33,185
instantly killed me.
818
00:46:33,185 --> 00:46:37,261
And I never knew what
would happen to Martina.
819
00:46:37,261 --> 00:46:38,907
- [Stacy] There were so many injustices
820
00:46:38,907 --> 00:46:42,000
that I felt like happened with her.
821
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:45,667
Martina was removed in
Oklahoma from Deanna.
822
00:46:47,437 --> 00:46:50,604
And that just, that really angered me.
823
00:46:51,570 --> 00:46:54,175
- What was it like when
they came and took Martina?
824
00:46:54,175 --> 00:46:56,062
- It destroyed me.
825
00:46:56,062 --> 00:46:57,645
It took everything.
826
00:47:00,029 --> 00:47:02,521
It was the hardest
moment in my whole life.
827
00:47:02,521 --> 00:47:05,327
- [Kit] I bet, and how
often did you see Martina,
828
00:47:05,327 --> 00:47:07,501
in the time that she
was taken away from you?
829
00:47:07,501 --> 00:47:09,834
- Twice a week, for an hour.
830
00:47:11,205 --> 00:47:13,622
(slow music)
831
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:21,867
- Come here, come here.
832
00:47:21,867 --> 00:47:26,034
(squealing) Piggyback,
piggyback (squeals).
833
00:47:33,473 --> 00:47:35,556
- Where are we going how?
834
00:47:42,124 --> 00:47:45,723
I could talk to her on
the phone every night.
835
00:47:45,723 --> 00:47:47,659
- [Kit] What kinds of
things did she say to you?
836
00:47:47,659 --> 00:47:50,744
- Wanted to know why I gave her away.
837
00:47:50,744 --> 00:47:55,109
And that, that was hard,
that was really hard.
838
00:47:55,109 --> 00:47:57,685
I would tell her that she was staying
839
00:47:57,685 --> 00:48:01,721
with the foster parents
so they could protect her.
840
00:48:01,721 --> 00:48:04,388
(both laughing)
841
00:48:10,217 --> 00:48:12,528
- I'm stuck, I'm stuck.
842
00:48:12,528 --> 00:48:15,890
- She still asks me,
now, she still asks me
843
00:48:15,890 --> 00:48:17,425
why I gave her away.
844
00:48:17,425 --> 00:48:19,842
- So she remembers it.
- Yeah.
845
00:48:22,837 --> 00:48:27,004
Wait up, wait up (laughs) wait up.
846
00:48:37,138 --> 00:48:39,888
(birds chirping)
847
00:48:43,628 --> 00:48:45,517
- [Man on recording] You don't
understand, I'm not over it.
848
00:48:45,517 --> 00:48:47,148
I'm not over y'all coming 'round there,
849
00:48:47,148 --> 00:48:49,486
and they thought they're
gonna testify against me.
850
00:48:49,486 --> 00:48:51,535
I'm not over that shit.
851
00:48:51,535 --> 00:48:56,505
I can't understand why my
daughters would go against me.
852
00:48:56,505 --> 00:48:58,848
Don't ever go against me!
853
00:48:58,848 --> 00:49:01,759
You understand what I'm saying?
854
00:49:01,759 --> 00:49:03,381
(crashing)
855
00:49:03,381 --> 00:49:04,974
Fucking go against me!
856
00:49:04,974 --> 00:49:06,473
Never go!
(thudding)
857
00:49:06,473 --> 00:49:09,409
Never fucking!
(thudding)
858
00:49:09,409 --> 00:49:11,570
Never! Never, Never!
(smacking)
859
00:49:11,570 --> 00:49:12,832
Fucking go against me!
860
00:49:12,832 --> 00:49:14,489
Don't ever go
861
00:49:14,489 --> 00:49:16,577
(smacking loudly)
fucking against me!
862
00:49:16,577 --> 00:49:17,783
- Okay.
- You understand
863
00:49:17,783 --> 00:49:20,045
what I'm saying?
- Yes.
864
00:49:20,045 --> 00:49:21,240
- [Man on recording] I
kept having to get you
865
00:49:21,240 --> 00:49:25,971
or my daughters, God damn it,
I'd never do that to my dad.
866
00:49:25,971 --> 00:49:28,290
What's wrong with y'all?
867
00:49:28,290 --> 00:49:30,622
Now am I a person that you fuck with?
868
00:49:30,622 --> 00:49:32,510
I mean, seriously,
- No.
869
00:49:32,510 --> 00:49:34,116
- [Man on recording] I
mean, look, look at me.
870
00:49:34,116 --> 00:49:35,941
Just look at my face.
871
00:49:35,941 --> 00:49:37,525
(smacking)
Is that a motherfucker
872
00:49:37,525 --> 00:49:38,358
that you fuck?
873
00:49:38,358 --> 00:49:39,560
(smacking)
874
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:41,328
Is that a fucker that you fuck with?
875
00:49:41,328 --> 00:49:42,360
- [Woman on Recording] No.
876
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:43,576
- Is it?
- No.
877
00:49:43,576 --> 00:49:45,772
- Who's gonna take care of you?
878
00:49:45,772 --> 00:49:47,248
- [Woman on Recording] You are.
879
00:49:47,248 --> 00:49:48,093
- [Man on recording] Who's
gonna fucking provide?
880
00:49:48,093 --> 00:49:48,926
- [Woman on recording] You are.
881
00:49:48,926 --> 00:49:50,583
- [Man on recording]
Who's the son of a bitch
882
00:49:50,583 --> 00:49:53,491
that's stands in front
of the fucking monster
883
00:49:53,491 --> 00:49:55,868
and keeps them from raping y'all?
884
00:49:55,868 --> 00:49:58,534
- [Woman on recording] You did.
885
00:49:58,534 --> 00:50:01,716
- I get calls from battered
women all over the country.
886
00:50:01,716 --> 00:50:04,788
And emails, and this one
happens to be from a woman
887
00:50:04,788 --> 00:50:07,979
who's married to a doctor,
a very prominent physician.
888
00:50:07,979 --> 00:50:09,896
And they made this tape
889
00:50:13,260 --> 00:50:16,308
not long after there was a
restraining order hearing,
890
00:50:16,308 --> 00:50:20,714
but the female judge, who
knew that he was a doctor,
891
00:50:20,714 --> 00:50:22,465
said, "Just let him come home,
892
00:50:22,465 --> 00:50:24,422
"your house is big
enough for both of you."
893
00:50:24,422 --> 00:50:28,589
And so it's just so frustrating
because we don't know
894
00:50:31,781 --> 00:50:34,830
what's going on in
these gated communities,
895
00:50:34,830 --> 00:50:38,997
in these expensive homes, until
something like this happens.
896
00:50:41,658 --> 00:50:43,158
So I tore this up.
897
00:50:46,209 --> 00:50:50,783
I tore this up, because
I was so angry about it.
898
00:50:50,783 --> 00:50:54,395
It's a rough draft of a paper
that I turned it recently.
899
00:50:54,395 --> 00:50:58,992
And the professor wrote
a note across the bottom.
900
00:50:58,992 --> 00:51:01,216
So it made me mad and I tore it up.
901
00:51:01,216 --> 00:51:04,104
(tape tearing)
902
00:51:04,104 --> 00:51:07,455
Now I'm gonna put it back together again.
903
00:51:07,455 --> 00:51:09,431
Kit, a very interesting discussion.
904
00:51:09,431 --> 00:51:12,619
I have two recommendations,
first, you say in the beginning
905
00:51:12,619 --> 00:51:14,063
that domestic violence, quote,
906
00:51:14,063 --> 00:51:16,111
"touches all socio-economic groups."
907
00:51:16,111 --> 00:51:18,322
I am not an expert in this field,
908
00:51:18,322 --> 00:51:20,965
but my impression is that
domestic violence is more
909
00:51:20,965 --> 00:51:24,190
common among poor, less educated people.
910
00:51:24,190 --> 00:51:26,347
Most middle-class
persons, such as doctors,
911
00:51:26,347 --> 00:51:28,183
lawyers and professors, et cetera,
912
00:51:28,183 --> 00:51:31,266
do not beat their wives and children.
913
00:51:32,346 --> 00:51:35,596
Nice, nice, but I'm going to save this.
914
00:51:39,817 --> 00:51:43,403
Because this is a reminder
to me, that we have a long,
915
00:51:43,403 --> 00:51:45,153
long, long way to go.
916
00:51:49,043 --> 00:51:53,210
(both laughing)
(bike tires grinding)
917
00:51:54,538 --> 00:51:56,205
- Whee! Whoa!
- Good.
918
00:52:05,540 --> 00:52:08,707
This was my favorite photo of Martina.
919
00:52:12,435 --> 00:52:16,602
It did have Robbie in it,
and of course, I cut it out.
920
00:52:18,210 --> 00:52:20,127
It's just her, now, so.
921
00:52:27,408 --> 00:52:30,075
Read it,
- First soccer practice.
922
00:52:36,030 --> 00:52:38,947
Halloween, okay, I can't read that.
923
00:52:41,660 --> 00:52:44,243
- Beware of ghosts and goblins.
924
00:52:45,338 --> 00:52:48,437
- [Martina] Beware of ghosts and goblins.
925
00:52:48,437 --> 00:52:52,604
(slow music)
(people chattering)
926
00:52:58,263 --> 00:52:59,930
- Halloween of 2008.
927
00:53:03,032 --> 00:53:06,230
Deanna and her husband were separated.
928
00:53:06,230 --> 00:53:08,869
There had been a domestic
violence incident earlier
929
00:53:08,869 --> 00:53:12,583
in the summer, they were living apart.
930
00:53:12,583 --> 00:53:16,115
But, it was Halloween, and
Deanna decided that she was gonna
931
00:53:16,115 --> 00:53:19,840
ask Robbie if he wanted
to go along with her
932
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:21,784
and their daughter,
trick-or-treating in downtown
933
00:53:21,784 --> 00:53:24,367
West Jefferson, North Carolina.
934
00:53:25,710 --> 00:53:28,232
They drove down, together,
to the downtown area.
935
00:53:28,232 --> 00:53:30,183
But for some reason, Robbie didn't want
936
00:53:30,183 --> 00:53:31,662
to get out of the car.
937
00:53:31,662 --> 00:53:34,538
So Deanna took their
daughter trick-or-treating.
938
00:53:34,538 --> 00:53:38,705
And when she came back to the
car, he was focused on the
939
00:53:39,929 --> 00:53:42,465
fact that she may have been
talking to another male
940
00:53:42,465 --> 00:53:46,441
while they were trick-or-treating,
and he became jealous.
941
00:53:46,441 --> 00:53:48,486
And as the night progressed,
942
00:53:48,486 --> 00:53:51,903
he was getting more angry and more angry.
943
00:53:53,378 --> 00:53:57,969
He drove them down to a
secluded area of a parking lot
944
00:53:57,969 --> 00:53:59,917
outside of the local hospital.
945
00:53:59,917 --> 00:54:03,343
And so he was confronting
her, and hitting her,
946
00:54:03,343 --> 00:54:05,621
and he eventually got out his lighter
947
00:54:05,621 --> 00:54:09,015
and was hitting her ears with the lighter.
948
00:54:09,015 --> 00:54:12,736
Basically trying to force her to confess
949
00:54:12,736 --> 00:54:15,382
that she was involved with another man.
950
00:54:15,382 --> 00:54:17,100
All the while, the daughter was asleep
951
00:54:17,100 --> 00:54:19,183
in the back of the truck.
952
00:54:20,275 --> 00:54:23,290
(mellow guitar music)
953
00:54:23,290 --> 00:54:26,233
Finally, in the morning,
the daughter woke up,
954
00:54:26,233 --> 00:54:28,281
and Robbie announced
that they were all taking
955
00:54:28,281 --> 00:54:30,531
a cross-country truck trip.
956
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:36,150
He had a cousin who
co-drove the truck with him,
957
00:54:36,150 --> 00:54:39,373
so the arrangement was that
he would meet his cousin,
958
00:54:39,373 --> 00:54:41,849
John, to deliver this load to California.
959
00:54:41,849 --> 00:54:45,453
They were being secret about
this because the truck company
960
00:54:45,453 --> 00:54:49,073
had a policy against unauthorized riders.
961
00:54:49,073 --> 00:54:51,969
And Deanna and the daughter
would be unauthorized riders.
962
00:54:51,969 --> 00:54:55,542
(engine sputtering)
They eventually all get in
963
00:54:55,542 --> 00:54:57,401
to this tractor trailer.
964
00:54:57,401 --> 00:54:59,839
They drove across the
line from North Carolina
965
00:54:59,839 --> 00:55:02,920
to Virginia, stopped at a truck stop.
966
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:05,708
Where, for a couple of
hours, Robbie and John played
967
00:55:05,708 --> 00:55:08,598
the video poker machines,
while Deanna and the daughter
968
00:55:08,598 --> 00:55:11,015
walked around the truck stop.
969
00:55:12,415 --> 00:55:15,892
Deanna had no money, no cell
phone, didn't know anybody
970
00:55:15,892 --> 00:55:19,393
up there, so she didn't alert anyone
971
00:55:19,393 --> 00:55:21,436
that she was there against her will.
972
00:55:21,436 --> 00:55:25,629
She got back into the truck,
they drove down into Tennessee.
973
00:55:25,629 --> 00:55:29,225
And, again, Robbie becomes
obsessed with this idea
974
00:55:29,225 --> 00:55:33,392
that she's cheating on him, so
he has John drive the truck.
975
00:55:34,586 --> 00:55:37,767
He gets back in the cab, he
just started beating on her
976
00:55:37,767 --> 00:55:42,438
and it was like the night
before, where he wanted to beat
977
00:55:42,438 --> 00:55:44,299
her into confessing to cheating on him.
978
00:55:44,299 --> 00:55:46,243
And, initially, she was
saying, "No, I'm not.
979
00:55:46,243 --> 00:55:47,473
"I'm not cheating on you."
980
00:55:47,473 --> 00:55:48,973
And he would beat her some more.
981
00:55:48,973 --> 00:55:51,606
Well, finally, she decided
that that wasn't working,
982
00:55:51,606 --> 00:55:54,455
so she was gonna admit to cheating on him,
983
00:55:54,455 --> 00:55:56,921
hoping that that would get
him to stop beating her.
984
00:55:56,921 --> 00:56:00,621
So she started saying, "Yes,
yes, I did cheat on you."
985
00:56:00,621 --> 00:56:03,015
And then he started saying,
"Well, who, with who?
986
00:56:03,015 --> 00:56:04,406
Gimme some names."
987
00:56:04,406 --> 00:56:07,155
And so she just started
spouting off names of people
988
00:56:07,155 --> 00:56:11,894
that they knew, so he
forced her to use his phone.
989
00:56:11,894 --> 00:56:15,024
To call these people, that she was naming,
990
00:56:15,024 --> 00:56:16,645
back home in North Carolina.
991
00:56:16,645 --> 00:56:18,595
And so, people back in
North Carolina were getting
992
00:56:18,595 --> 00:56:21,638
phone calls, in the middle of
the night, where she admitted
993
00:56:21,638 --> 00:56:24,474
that she had cheated on Robbie.
994
00:56:24,474 --> 00:56:28,246
She called a husband
and wife named the Guys,
995
00:56:28,246 --> 00:56:31,525
told the wife, Hope, that
she had cheated with Mike.
996
00:56:31,525 --> 00:56:35,976
But eventually Hope could tell
that something wasn't right.
997
00:56:35,976 --> 00:56:40,378
Deanna's tone on the phone
calls, she sounded robotic.
998
00:56:40,378 --> 00:56:44,696
Hope got the impression that
something was not right.
999
00:56:44,696 --> 00:56:47,987
While the truck is traveling
west, and Robbie is continuing
1000
00:56:47,987 --> 00:56:51,182
to beat Deanna, and accuse
her of cheating on him,
1001
00:56:51,182 --> 00:56:54,403
people back home are starting
to figure out that something
1002
00:56:54,403 --> 00:56:56,906
is wrong, and they call
the trucking company.
1003
00:56:56,906 --> 00:56:59,061
And eventually alert them that there
1004
00:56:59,061 --> 00:57:01,418
are unauthorized people on the truck.
1005
00:57:01,418 --> 00:57:04,733
Well, 'til that happens,
they get to California,
1006
00:57:04,733 --> 00:57:07,983
drop off the load, they head back east.
1007
00:57:09,140 --> 00:57:11,971
John's driving, they're
heading towards Oklahoma.
1008
00:57:11,971 --> 00:57:16,138
And Robbie just, this is the
absolute worst beating of all.
1009
00:57:20,976 --> 00:57:24,744
- [Deanna] He headed me back
to the sleeper, of the truck,
1010
00:57:24,744 --> 00:57:28,151
and that's when he started
hurting me the worst.
1011
00:57:28,151 --> 00:57:32,318
And Martina was sitting there,
and he kept covering my face
1012
00:57:33,177 --> 00:57:36,446
with the pillow and he was
telling me that I wasn't gonna
1013
00:57:36,446 --> 00:57:39,267
make it back to West Jefferson.
1014
00:57:39,267 --> 00:57:43,252
And I couldn't breathe, and
when he realized that I wasn't
1015
00:57:43,252 --> 00:57:46,718
moving, he pulled the
pillow off of my face.
1016
00:57:46,718 --> 00:57:48,451
And he started laughing and he said,
1017
00:57:48,451 --> 00:57:52,414
"I almost got you that time, didn't I?"
1018
00:57:52,414 --> 00:57:56,015
And it was right after
that, that I started having
1019
00:57:56,015 --> 00:57:59,309
I had seizures, and I had three seizures.
1020
00:57:59,309 --> 00:58:02,240
And I could hear Martina screaming.
1021
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:06,575
I couldn't see anything, I
could just hear her screaming.
1022
00:58:06,575 --> 00:58:09,658
And when I did stop, he pulled me up,
1023
00:58:10,761 --> 00:58:13,844
next to Martina, and I went to sleep.
1024
00:58:15,084 --> 00:58:17,880
And that was the first
time, the entire trip,
1025
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:19,963
that I was able to sleep.
1026
00:58:23,542 --> 00:58:25,586
- Finally, the folks back
at home had gotten in touch
1027
00:58:25,586 --> 00:58:27,601
with the trucking company, and
they arranged for the truck
1028
00:58:27,601 --> 00:58:31,434
to be stopped.
(siren blaring)
1029
00:58:33,481 --> 00:58:37,148
It was pulled over by law
enforcement in Oklahoma,
1030
00:58:37,148 --> 00:58:42,007
but as the blue lights were
turned on, Robbie told Deanna
1031
00:58:42,007 --> 00:58:44,018
that they were gonna
tell the police when they
1032
00:58:44,018 --> 00:58:47,192
were stopped that he saved
her, from a boyfriend back in
1033
00:58:47,192 --> 00:58:50,025
North Carolina who had beaten her.
1034
00:58:51,463 --> 00:58:54,282
- I had received a call
that had a child in danger,
1035
00:58:54,282 --> 00:58:57,392
and we needed to do a
traffic stop on a semi.
1036
00:58:57,392 --> 00:58:59,557
So that's what I did.
1037
00:58:59,557 --> 00:59:01,137
And when I found what I found inside,
1038
00:59:01,137 --> 00:59:04,054
was the little girl and the mother.
1039
00:59:09,715 --> 00:59:12,519
In the 15 years I've been
a law enforcement officer,
1040
00:59:12,519 --> 00:59:14,429
I've never seen anybody
that's been in a car wreck
1041
00:59:14,429 --> 00:59:17,310
that was beat up as bad as that girl was.
1042
00:59:17,310 --> 00:59:19,536
Even if they was throwed out
of the vehicle, mangled up
1043
00:59:19,536 --> 00:59:22,677
in the vehicle, they still,
I've never seen anybody
1044
00:59:22,677 --> 00:59:25,752
that was in that kind of shape.
1045
00:59:25,752 --> 00:59:27,923
I truly believe if I hadn't
had stopped the vehicle,
1046
00:59:27,923 --> 00:59:31,673
I don't think they would
have ever come home.
1047
00:59:33,211 --> 00:59:35,407
The reason he wasn't detained
is because I didn't have
1048
00:59:35,407 --> 00:59:37,949
no proof of where it
had actually happened.
1049
00:59:37,949 --> 00:59:40,779
I had no paperwork
stating anything was out
1050
00:59:40,779 --> 00:59:43,393
of the ordinary or anything.
1051
00:59:43,393 --> 00:59:45,466
She wouldn't tell us who done it,
1052
00:59:45,466 --> 00:59:47,080
because of the fear factor.
1053
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:48,529
I think she feared more for the child
1054
00:59:48,529 --> 00:59:50,547
than she did her own life.
1055
00:59:50,547 --> 00:59:52,714
That's why she didn't say.
1056
00:59:54,977 --> 00:59:57,210
- Once they were separated,
once she was in the car,
1057
00:59:57,210 --> 01:00:00,514
and away from him, she
told them that, in fact,
1058
01:00:00,514 --> 01:00:03,049
Robbie had been the
one who had beaten her.
1059
01:00:03,049 --> 01:00:07,137
The police could tell that
she was very badly beaten,
1060
01:00:07,137 --> 01:00:10,737
they took her to the hospital in Oklahoma.
1061
01:00:10,737 --> 01:00:12,618
- Deanna Howell presented
at my Emergency Room
1062
01:00:12,618 --> 01:00:16,831
in Anadarko Hospital,
in Anadarko Oklahoma.
1063
01:00:16,831 --> 01:00:21,391
When I first saw her, I was
horrified by her appearance.
1064
01:00:21,391 --> 01:00:24,291
Obviously, with every
movement that she made,
1065
01:00:24,291 --> 01:00:26,841
she was experiencing pain.
1066
01:00:26,841 --> 01:00:29,733
Initially, it was important
for us to clean her up,
1067
01:00:29,733 --> 01:00:32,594
as she was covered in dried blood.
1068
01:00:32,594 --> 01:00:35,494
And when I felt her
hair, it was very sticky
1069
01:00:35,494 --> 01:00:38,073
and very soiled, and I asked her,
1070
01:00:38,073 --> 01:00:40,605
at that point, what was in her hair.
1071
01:00:40,605 --> 01:00:42,519
Which she shared with me at that time,
1072
01:00:42,519 --> 01:00:45,019
it was Mountain Dew and urine.
1073
01:00:46,664 --> 01:00:48,331
And when I asked her
1074
01:00:51,028 --> 01:00:52,291
how that came to be,
1075
01:00:52,291 --> 01:00:55,846
she stated that he would throw his soda,
1076
01:00:55,846 --> 01:00:59,110
her ex-husband would throw
his soda in her face.
1077
01:00:59,110 --> 01:01:02,110
And that whenever he had to urinate,
1078
01:01:04,030 --> 01:01:08,197
he would hold her by the
ears and urinate in her face.
1079
01:01:10,464 --> 01:01:12,234
I took photos of Deanna
in the Emergency Room,
1080
01:01:12,234 --> 01:01:16,254
she obviously was still
in fear of her ex-husband.
1081
01:01:16,254 --> 01:01:19,885
And when I went out and asked
the officer, could he please
1082
01:01:19,885 --> 01:01:22,669
tell me where her was
ex-husband was located,
1083
01:01:22,669 --> 01:01:25,361
with the intent of finding out where he
1084
01:01:25,361 --> 01:01:28,368
was incarcerated, and being held at.
1085
01:01:28,368 --> 01:01:31,172
When he piped off to me that,
"He's somewhere between here
1086
01:01:31,172 --> 01:01:33,966
and North Carolina, I guess."
1087
01:01:33,966 --> 01:01:36,489
- Robbie was left at the
side of the road in Oklahoma
1088
01:01:36,489 --> 01:01:40,760
because she hadn't told
police before he left
1089
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:42,546
that he was the one who beat her,
1090
01:01:42,546 --> 01:01:44,894
and he made his way
back to North Carolina.
1091
01:01:44,894 --> 01:01:46,778
Once he got back to North
Carolina, he was interviewed
1092
01:01:46,778 --> 01:01:51,448
by law enforcement, and
admitted to beating her so badly
1093
01:01:51,448 --> 01:01:54,531
that he almost broke his fingers, so.
1094
01:01:57,763 --> 01:02:00,763
(telephone ringing)
1095
01:02:10,146 --> 01:02:14,313
- Mm-hmm, I just wonder if
somehow his cousin got to her.
1096
01:02:21,476 --> 01:02:24,822
Because, with his cousin not
charged, he's really free
1097
01:02:24,822 --> 01:02:29,061
to do whatever, to intimidate
you, or intimidate her.
1098
01:02:29,061 --> 01:02:31,328
And I just wonder if that's part of,
1099
01:02:31,328 --> 01:02:32,971
if that's part of what's happening.
1100
01:02:32,971 --> 01:02:36,804
I mean, it might not be,
but it also might be.
1101
01:02:41,650 --> 01:02:43,067
So how's Martina?
1102
01:02:45,893 --> 01:02:47,507
- [Deanna] She's doing good (mumbling)
1103
01:02:47,507 --> 01:02:49,265
- Yeah, and that's gonna make it hard.
1104
01:02:49,265 --> 01:02:53,279
But, maybe what you can do
is you can take those strong
1105
01:02:53,279 --> 01:02:57,070
feelings that you've got,
and just really use those
1106
01:02:57,070 --> 01:02:59,016
to be crystal clear in court.
1107
01:02:59,016 --> 01:03:00,849
To just say the things
1108
01:03:04,571 --> 01:03:06,236
that you need to say, so the court
1109
01:03:06,236 --> 01:03:08,819
understands what he did to you.
1110
01:03:10,083 --> 01:03:12,073
Alright, well, Deanna,
have a really good day,
1111
01:03:12,073 --> 01:03:14,843
and I'm glad you called,
and I'll talk to you
1112
01:03:14,843 --> 01:03:16,354
in the next couple days, okay?
1113
01:03:16,354 --> 01:03:19,094
- Alright.
- Alright, bye, Deanna.
1114
01:03:19,094 --> 01:03:20,344
- [Deanna] Bye.
1115
01:03:21,378 --> 01:03:22,795
- Fucking Robbie.
1116
01:03:25,627 --> 01:03:29,794
(wind chimes tinkling)
(birds chirping)
1117
01:03:32,143 --> 01:03:34,657
Even with all the, there's
a lot of dark things
1118
01:03:34,657 --> 01:03:38,407
that happen up here,
like Deanna's case, but.
1119
01:03:40,370 --> 01:03:42,537
I do love these mountains.
1120
01:03:51,845 --> 01:03:55,012
That's Jack and Jason, that's October.
1121
01:03:55,869 --> 01:03:58,800
And he died the next August,
cleaning up an oil spill
1122
01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:00,773
in the Gulf of Mexico.
1123
01:04:00,773 --> 01:04:04,940
I look at that picture of
his hair shining in the sun.
1124
01:04:06,136 --> 01:04:08,399
And that was one of my jobs,
was to take care of his hair,
1125
01:04:08,399 --> 01:04:11,523
to make sure he didn't have split ends.
1126
01:04:11,523 --> 01:04:15,141
So that when he went out
(clearing throat) to go pick
1127
01:04:15,141 --> 01:04:17,912
up women, that one of the
things that would draw women
1128
01:04:17,912 --> 01:04:21,196
to him was his long, blonde hair.
1129
01:04:21,196 --> 01:04:23,279
He had a beautiful smile.
1130
01:04:26,570 --> 01:04:28,639
- [Producer] You stayed with this guy.
1131
01:04:28,639 --> 01:04:30,773
- Yeah, I didn't have choice.
1132
01:04:30,773 --> 01:04:32,611
I mean, he told me, and I absolutely,
1133
01:04:32,611 --> 01:04:36,841
that's the part that always,
it's so interesting to me.
1134
01:04:36,841 --> 01:04:40,187
When it's like, the standard
question, why didn't you leave?
1135
01:04:40,187 --> 01:04:41,428
Why didn't you leave,
why didn't you leave?
1136
01:04:41,428 --> 01:04:43,911
Well, he was trained by the
United States Marine Corps
1137
01:04:43,911 --> 01:04:45,717
to hunt people down and kill
them, and he told me if I left,
1138
01:04:45,717 --> 01:04:47,007
he would hunt me down and kill me.
1139
01:04:47,007 --> 01:04:48,638
That's why I didn't leave.
1140
01:04:48,638 --> 01:04:51,514
I used to pull what he would
call my disappearing acts.
1141
01:04:51,514 --> 01:04:55,596
And that would be, I would
get the boys and get out.
1142
01:04:55,596 --> 01:04:59,450
Because it just was getting too intense.
1143
01:04:59,450 --> 01:05:01,091
But I would always go back,
1144
01:05:01,091 --> 01:05:03,651
because at least I knew where he was.
1145
01:05:03,651 --> 01:05:08,520
At least I knew the routine,
I knew what to expect.
1146
01:05:08,520 --> 01:05:12,762
But it's a terrible way to live to always
1147
01:05:12,762 --> 01:05:15,262
be looking over your shoulder.
1148
01:05:17,088 --> 01:05:20,568
He also had good sides,
too, I mean, I remember,
1149
01:05:20,568 --> 01:05:25,228
being in the funeral
home looking at his body.
1150
01:05:25,228 --> 01:05:30,174
And starting at the top of
his head, and going down,
1151
01:05:30,174 --> 01:05:32,426
and thinking, looking at
his hands and thinking
1152
01:05:32,426 --> 01:05:36,256
that his hands were both
a weapon, and it was also
1153
01:05:36,256 --> 01:05:40,346
with his hands that he
taught me how to garden.
1154
01:05:40,346 --> 01:05:43,346
So it's not clean, it's complicated.
1155
01:05:46,991 --> 01:05:49,217
There's just a lot more
to it than people willing
1156
01:05:49,217 --> 01:05:51,300
to give women credit for.
1157
01:05:53,554 --> 01:05:55,877
This picture, that picture
right there, that picture
1158
01:05:55,877 --> 01:05:58,467
was taken the last day that he was nice.
1159
01:05:58,467 --> 01:06:00,390
On that one day, it was
a beautiful fall day,
1160
01:06:00,390 --> 01:06:02,695
and he said, "Let's go
ride up on the parkway."
1161
01:06:02,695 --> 01:06:05,169
And it was just so out of the ordinary.
1162
01:06:05,169 --> 01:06:09,604
But I was thrilled, that we
were gonna have a good day.
1163
01:06:09,604 --> 01:06:11,207
And it was a great day.
1164
01:06:11,207 --> 01:06:15,374
(slow music)
(birds chirping)
1165
01:06:31,209 --> 01:06:34,959
- It was just confirmed
that we were still on
1166
01:06:36,055 --> 01:06:38,805
and I'm told to be there at 8:30.
1167
01:06:39,944 --> 01:06:42,444
I am nervous about testifying.
1168
01:06:44,603 --> 01:06:48,770
I don't know, really, what,
I don't know what's going on.
1169
01:06:50,121 --> 01:06:53,301
I guess I'll find out this morning.
1170
01:06:53,301 --> 01:06:57,384
Everybody's telling me to
be strong, be truthful.
1171
01:07:00,757 --> 01:07:04,113
And that they're praying for me.
1172
01:07:04,113 --> 01:07:08,280
Yesterday, when I got up,
there was just something inside
1173
01:07:09,981 --> 01:07:14,148
of me, just this feeling
that I had, that I needed to,
1174
01:07:15,944 --> 01:07:20,111
after the trial is over, give
Robbie a picture of Martina.
1175
01:07:21,846 --> 01:07:26,013
I just want him to know,
pretty much, what he's missed.
1176
01:07:26,999 --> 01:07:31,082
And that he's missed a
lot in the last two years.
1177
01:07:32,242 --> 01:07:36,159
I mean, his daughter is
really growed up a lot.
1178
01:07:37,264 --> 01:07:41,232
And if he hadn't had done what he did,
1179
01:07:41,232 --> 01:07:43,562
he would have been there for it.
1180
01:07:43,562 --> 01:07:46,062
(tense music)
1181
01:07:55,074 --> 01:07:58,157
(footsteps clanking)
1182
01:08:04,847 --> 01:08:07,847
(light piano music)
1183
01:08:15,402 --> 01:08:20,153
I'm not gonna let him get
away with what he done to me,
1184
01:08:20,153 --> 01:08:24,513
my daughter, to other
women out there, who have,
1185
01:08:24,513 --> 01:08:26,596
I'm sure he's done it to.
1186
01:08:29,059 --> 01:08:32,476
Nobody should get away with this, nobody.
1187
01:08:46,413 --> 01:08:48,981
(door slamming)
1188
01:08:48,981 --> 01:08:51,981
(slow guitar music)
1189
01:09:02,771 --> 01:09:05,900
- I'm reading from a portion
of the trial transcript.
1190
01:09:05,900 --> 01:09:09,589
The defense lawyer stated in
his opening statement that what
1191
01:09:09,589 --> 01:09:12,812
really happened here was
they went on a family trip.
1192
01:09:12,812 --> 01:09:14,722
And it was a trip that she was willing
1193
01:09:14,722 --> 01:09:17,539
to go on, and happy to go on.
1194
01:09:17,539 --> 01:09:21,185
The government, I, argued that
it wasn't a voluntary trip.
1195
01:09:21,185 --> 01:09:24,247
That she was kidnapped
and beaten along the way.
1196
01:09:24,247 --> 01:09:26,914
And that the jury should find
him guilty of both counts,
1197
01:09:26,914 --> 01:09:31,081
the kidnapping and the
interstate domestic violence.
1198
01:09:32,231 --> 01:09:36,114
The government called the nurse
who saw Deanna in Oklahoma,
1199
01:09:36,114 --> 01:09:39,314
several of the people who had
received strange phone calls
1200
01:09:39,314 --> 01:09:41,688
from Deanna during the trip.
1201
01:09:41,688 --> 01:09:44,105
Deanna, of course, testified.
1202
01:09:46,503 --> 01:09:47,548
- [Kit] When Deanna
took the witness stand,
1203
01:09:47,548 --> 01:09:49,127
my heart was pounding.
1204
01:09:49,127 --> 01:09:52,397
Because I understood the
consequences of this trial.
1205
01:09:52,397 --> 01:09:55,480
If he were to be found not
guilty, he'd be back out on
1206
01:09:55,480 --> 01:09:59,927
the streets, and he'd be
a threat to her again.
1207
01:09:59,927 --> 01:10:03,669
But when I see what Deanna
has done, that she's faced
1208
01:10:03,669 --> 01:10:06,373
her abuser, she's walked
into federal court,
1209
01:10:06,373 --> 01:10:08,378
she's taken the witness stand.
1210
01:10:08,378 --> 01:10:12,211
I'm just completely
astonished at her courage.
1211
01:10:23,249 --> 01:10:27,416
- The jury made their decision
of guilty on both counts,
1212
01:10:28,360 --> 01:10:32,629
and I feel absolutely awesome (laughs).
1213
01:10:32,629 --> 01:10:36,809
I could feel the tears coming,
they didn't actually start
1214
01:10:36,809 --> 01:10:40,726
falling, but I could feel them coming.
1215
01:10:40,726 --> 01:10:43,571
They wanna come now (laughs).
1216
01:10:43,571 --> 01:10:44,738
I am so happy.
1217
01:10:49,359 --> 01:10:52,420
I will be glad to get home to Martina.
1218
01:10:52,420 --> 01:10:54,021
- I'll be glad for you
to get home to Martina,
1219
01:10:54,021 --> 01:10:55,424
I know she wants her mom home.
1220
01:10:55,424 --> 01:10:57,341
- Yes, she does.
- Yeah.
1221
01:10:58,657 --> 01:11:03,497
Robbie was sentenced to almost
21 years in federal prison.
1222
01:11:03,497 --> 01:11:06,720
But the sad and tragic
reality, is that the majority
1223
01:11:06,720 --> 01:11:09,055
of the time he serves will
be for kidnapping Deanna,
1224
01:11:09,055 --> 01:11:10,722
not for beating her.
1225
01:11:12,362 --> 01:11:14,952
I can't help thinking about
the fact that, after Robbie
1226
01:11:14,952 --> 01:11:17,686
kidnapped Deanna, and almost killed her.
1227
01:11:17,686 --> 01:11:20,458
That when she came back, she
had to listen to the DAs,
1228
01:11:20,458 --> 01:11:23,149
to the police, to the defense attorney,
1229
01:11:23,149 --> 01:11:27,316
and even her own family ask
her why she didn't just leave.
1230
01:11:28,388 --> 01:11:30,963
When, in reality, that's
precisely what she did do.
1231
01:11:30,963 --> 01:11:34,948
She left, and he retaliated
by kidnapping her,
1232
01:11:34,948 --> 01:11:37,652
and beating her for 4 1/2 days.
1233
01:11:37,652 --> 01:11:41,208
So she did what everyone wanted her to do.
1234
01:11:41,208 --> 01:11:44,625
And she almost paid for it with her life.
1235
01:11:45,551 --> 01:11:48,551
(slow guitar music)
1236
01:11:58,527 --> 01:12:02,065
I've been training advocates
for a lot of years.
1237
01:12:02,065 --> 01:12:04,398
Since the early, since 1990.
1238
01:12:05,958 --> 01:12:08,291
And I'm always so astonished
1239
01:12:10,162 --> 01:12:13,332
and moved at the people who
want to come into this movement,
1240
01:12:13,332 --> 01:12:16,601
and do this work, because
it's not easy work.
1241
01:12:16,601 --> 01:12:19,905
It can be heartbreaking and frustrating,
1242
01:12:19,905 --> 01:12:23,307
but it can also be unbelievably uplifting.
1243
01:12:23,307 --> 01:12:25,375
And you see things, and hear things
1244
01:12:25,375 --> 01:12:27,510
that you couldn't make up.
1245
01:12:27,510 --> 01:12:31,093
And you witness victims
shedding that skin,
1246
01:12:35,039 --> 01:12:38,122
and just leaving the violence behind.
1247
01:12:41,407 --> 01:12:43,074
It's just wonderful.
1248
01:12:56,675 --> 01:13:00,842
- We are at a place that I'm
looking at hoping to rent.
1249
01:13:02,842 --> 01:13:05,175
A new step, a new beginning.
1250
01:13:06,207 --> 01:13:09,077
Getting out of my parents house.
1251
01:13:09,077 --> 01:13:11,577
And starting over, a new life.
1252
01:13:16,929 --> 01:13:18,846
- The inside the house.
1253
01:13:19,766 --> 01:13:22,397
That blind does not pull straight anyway.
1254
01:13:22,397 --> 01:13:25,040
Well, the lady said to
tell you she's packing up,
1255
01:13:25,040 --> 01:13:27,466
moving, so there's stuff sitting around.
1256
01:13:27,466 --> 01:13:31,485
This is the bedroom,
stuff sitting in here.
1257
01:13:31,485 --> 01:13:33,957
And the chest of drawers.
1258
01:13:33,957 --> 01:13:37,957
And self-cleaning oven,
you have a refrigerator,
1259
01:13:39,530 --> 01:13:41,697
washer and dryer, commode.
1260
01:13:43,110 --> 01:13:44,943
Big, good shower, tub.
1261
01:13:48,759 --> 01:13:51,053
That's it, plus the beautiful view.
1262
01:13:51,053 --> 01:13:53,938
- Yes, I've already saw that, I love it.
1263
01:13:53,938 --> 01:13:56,119
- Parkway that way,
Grandfather Mountain, that way.
1264
01:13:56,119 --> 01:13:57,646
You can see Grandfather Mountain today.
1265
01:13:57,646 --> 01:13:59,972
Some days you can't see
it, when it gets real hazy,
1266
01:13:59,972 --> 01:14:02,931
but you can see it good today.
1267
01:14:02,931 --> 01:14:04,681
- [Deanna] I love it.
1268
01:14:09,095 --> 01:14:10,542
It's perfect.
1269
01:14:10,542 --> 01:14:13,709
(mellow guitar music)
1270
01:14:43,556 --> 01:14:46,389
(uplifting music)
1271
01:17:10,536 --> 01:17:14,671
(tone reverberating)
(static huming)
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