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To the outside world, the
Amish seem like a kind, loving,
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generous, hardworking community
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who basically
wouldn’t hurt a fly.
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But that whole picture
is pretty much a lie.
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Woman: There’s no family
within these communities
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that’s not incurring some sort
of abuse... physical abuse,
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psychological abuse,
emotional abuse, sexual.
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There are more incidents
of abuse like this
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within the Plain community
than the regular community.
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The odds of an Amish woman getting raped
by a guy on the street are almost zero,
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but within their
own communities?
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It’s one out of every
six on a good day.
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It’s a predator’s paradise.
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When I was six, I
had an older sibling
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start to molest me.
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I remember not being
safe in my room
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from my own fucking brother.
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Woman: Most Amish communities
view going to the police
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as a greater sin
than the rape itself.
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The unforgivable sin ironically
is not raping children.
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It’s talking about being raped.
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It’s so risky reporting.
It can be life-threatening.
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It’s not that it’s awful
that he’s a rapist.
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It’s that it’s awful that I am
unforgiving and reported it.
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The part that I will
never, ever, ever forget
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was busloads of Greyhound of Amish
coming, not just from our area,
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but they were coming
from Pennsylvania.
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The district attorney said
that the state of Wisconsin
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is going to press
charges on my behalf.
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It’s completely out of my hands.
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The support was solely
for the brothers
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that perpetrated these
egregious sexual assaults.
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We can’t just sit here
and give them a free pass
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just because they’re Amish.
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Woman: Amish and Mennonites are
what we consider Plain communities.
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Not conforming to the world,
being separate from the world,
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and having a very
plain lifestyle.
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They purposely
separate themselves
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from the outside world through
dress, through language.
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They speak Pennsylvania Dutch.
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They came to this
country in general,
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in the late 1600s
and early 1700s
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because they were facing religious
persecution throughout Europe.
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They have very strong
religious beliefs.
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They basically carved out
a different way of existing
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from the rest of us
that has been maintained
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for the hundreds of years
that they’ve been here.
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And they’ve been very rigid in
maintaining those practices.
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Woman: Plain living is intertwined
with the sense of duty to work.
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You’re not allowed
to have free time.
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Everything is really
designed to keep you busy,
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to keep you away from
a wandering mind,
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and to be in service
of your church,
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to be in service of the family,
and to be in service of God.
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Woman: I was born to
Old Order Amish parents.
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I grew up in different Amish
and Mennonite communities.
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We typically worked
in the garden
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and weeded the garden
or hoed or something
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before the sun got too hot.
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Woman: We had our own garden and
chickens, goats... all that kind of stuff.
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We kind of lived on a
farm, so in the mornings
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we’d go out and
work in the garden
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for several hours before
we did our homeschooling.
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Woman: Who doesn’t want their
child to grow up working on a farm
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and around animals and having three
meals a day that are homemade?
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Woman: I learned how to cook,
clean, sew, bake garden.
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But here’s the thing.
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I could have done
all of those things
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without going through
the years of trauma.
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I literally could have
learned all of those things
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without being put in
that position as a child
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to be sexually assaulted.
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Jasper: It’s just this culture
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that is so repressed
and so secretive,
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no matter how much
pain that you’re in,
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no matter how much
abuse is happening,
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you’re taught that the
outside world is far worse.
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Woman: The church wields a large
amount of power and control.
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Under the church, you
would have the men,
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and under that
would be the women,
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and under that would
be the children.
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And typically the wives
only have as much voice
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as their husbands
allow them to have.
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They have generally little
to no voice in the church.
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Jasper: You’re there
to provide meals
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and to keep your husband
happy and to provide children.
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It’s even ingrained into the theology
that women are to be submissive
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not only in the church,
but also in the bed.
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In Plain communities, we teach
that men are almost animalistic
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in the way that they
view women and sex.
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And it’s a need, right? It’s
described as men need sex.
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You hear how normalized that is
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when children are raped
by family members.
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They’re told, "Well, he needed
to have sex with somebody."
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And it’s this objectification,
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not only of women,
but of children.
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Man: It’s something
that has been tolerated
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within the Amish
community for a long time,
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not addressed as
being inappropriate,
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and that’s part of why
it’s such a difficult part
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of the fabric of their
community to deal with
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because they haven’t
viewed it as the problem
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that everyone else
knows it to be.
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So this is "The Girl..."
"To a Girl of Eleven."
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This is sex education for
an 11 year old, I guess.
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"This is a sex surge.
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Once it is awakened and
active in a young boy
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at the age of
puberty and beyond,
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can become a powerful
driving force within him.
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Every decent girl
will do her best
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to help him and not
make it harder for him.
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Even in your own home, if you
have brothers in their teens,
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you should be mindful of this.
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Do not appear in their presence
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with nightclothes
that are scanty.
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Be modest about
climbing up ladders.
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Be sure you’re dress
stays closed in front.
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And when you sleep, either
be sure your door is closed
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or you are properly
clothed and or covered.
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Your brother, innocently coming upon you
and seeing your partly uncovered body,
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may suddenly have strong sexual
desires aroused within him.
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His intentions were not bad,
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but he suddenly finds himself
the victim of your carelessness
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and the lust of his own body.
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Cherish your purity,
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pray fervently,
and guard it well.
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God will bless you and
help you as you do so."
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You are absolutely sexualized
as an 11-year-old child.
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Let me tell you
about my community.
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So they were really,
really, really conservative.
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They didn’t even use battery
lights on the buggies.
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They used oil lanterns
on the buggies.
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When you get to
be a certain age,
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your parents decide you were
too old to play with toys.
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From then on you’re
expected to work,
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make sure the horse gets fed,
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or if you live on a dairy farm,
you still have to milk the cows.
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And if they catch
you not working,
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you’re considered lazy.
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You might get spankings
because you’re required
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to be working
unless it’s Sunday.
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And even on Sundays,
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women still have
to cook the food
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and do all that stuff.
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In each community that I lived in
there was child sexual assaults.
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My first perpetrator was
my biological father.
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I was five.
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I’ve been doing
forensic interviews
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for more than 21 years.
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It’s not ever easy
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for any child to talk about
what they’ve experienced
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in the realm of child abuse.
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Someone you know, love,
and trust your entire life
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can harm you and
hurt you in this way.
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It affects every
relationship in the future.
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Being willing to
trust another person,
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to be in a relationship or friends
with another person, right?
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Because what they knew was
sacred to them was violated.
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Mary: I was five when he died.
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I don’t remember him
ever apologizing.
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What I do remember is they
had a huge, huge funeral.
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You can’t begin
to reconcile that
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when your bad person is gone
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and everybody around you
is mourning that person
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and talking about that person,
what a good person they were.
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But I had told my mom about it.
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And that’s when she told me the
first time what forgiveness is,
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which means you
don’t talk about it.
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You don’t ever bring it up.
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He’s sorry and you
have to forgive him.
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That burden of forgiving
and turning a blind eye,
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that falls on the
shoulders of the victim.
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And that’s what’s happening
in the Plain communities,
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they’re forcing their victims
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to be the gatekeepers
of all these secrets.
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It’s about saying, "Hey, evil
can live and breathe among us.
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It can rape our children, and
forgiveness will just wipe it all out."
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Mary: In 1990, we had
moved to another community.
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This is where I learned
about corn husking by hand.
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I also learned that I
wasn’t safe anywhere.
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I started going to school.
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I was afraid to go to
the outhouse in school
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because people would get raped
in the outhouse at school.
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And at that point in time, my
cousin began sexually assaulting me.
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And then his brother
also began assaulting me,
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and his sisters would
lock me in a room
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so that he could climb in
the window and rape me.
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And they would laugh
when I screamed.
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Nobody gave a fuck.
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Part of me has to ask, like,
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how many of those
girls were victims too?
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Misty: For me, I was
not born into the Amish.
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My mom and my stepdad, they
ordered several books on the Amish.
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You know, the Amish dress like this, they
talk like this. They believe this and that.
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All of a sudden, one day we
just started dressing Amish,
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and it was right after
my 10th birthday.
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I remember we went to the
dumpster. We threw away the TV.
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We threw away any modern
appliances that we had.
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We moved to Northern Washington
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and we pretty much
dropped off the map.
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And that’s pretty much how I grew
up from the age of 11 to almost 19,
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when I went to live
with the Amish.
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Among the Amish,
it’s very common
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to have a teenage girl
come in and help you
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if you can’t manage your own
household, if you’re sick,
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or if you’ve just had a
baby, or anything like that.
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And I started living
at the bishop’s house.
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By at that time, they had seven
children under the age of 12.
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One day I was told by a friend,
"Be careful of the bishop.
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He’s not quite right."
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It was like one in the morning,
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and I felt him shaking me awake,
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and he was standing there
with the baby and he said,
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you know, "Can you
watch the baby?"
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And he hands me the baby
and he grabs my breast,
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and I’m just, "What do I do?"
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There’s nothing you
can do about it.
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From the first week I
moved in with a bishop,
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he started molesting me.
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One day I was going
down to the basement.
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I saw the bishop with his
daughter in the basement.
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The front of her
dress was unpinned,
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and he was frantically
trying to pin her dress.
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And her face was red.
His face was red.
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He got flustered and
ran out of the basement.
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There’s no reason for
a dad to be pinning up
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his Amish daughter’s dress.
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She was 12 years old.
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She knew how to
pin her own dress.
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I was in a state of shock.
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It was a devastating to
finally come in and realize,
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yes, the bishop of my church
is molesting the children.
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Even if I went to the
rest of the church
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and I said, "I saw him
with his daughter"...
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what are they going to do?
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They weren’t gonna do anything.
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Going to the police? It
wasn’t even an option.
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The Amish view going to the police
as a greater sin than rape itself,
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because in doing so,
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you are handing over an Amish brother
or sister to the evil outside.
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You are putting
their soul at risk.
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You are endangering
them of going to hell.
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But if I just ignored
it, I was an accomplice.
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Hinton: When there’s a
problem, who do you go to?
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As a woman, who do you go to?
Well, you have to go to the men.
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Well, when the men are the ones
doing the abusing, who do you go to?
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If women are told by male
members of the community
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not to have any interaction
with law enforcement,
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then generally they won’t.
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It takes a very
courageous person
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to go against that community
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because of what the potential
ramifications are to someone.
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There was this lady that
lived on the property
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and she had become
my friend sort of.
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She lived down the
ways a little bit.
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She wasn’t Amish.
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And she was the only
other person I knew
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that I could
possibly maybe trust.
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You know, I just told her what
happened because I was so scared,
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And, you know, she’s like,
"You gotta go to the police."
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First they had me
write out a report,
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and then they told me
that "We need evidence
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and there’s not
much we can do."
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There’s no point in
going to the police.
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They’re not going to help
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because they view the
Amish as this religion
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that can govern themselves, that
punish people how they see fit.
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I mean, there is no help for us.
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I took my head covering off,
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I threw it on the floor
and I stomped on it,
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and I said, "I’m leaving.
I’m leaving the Amish."
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Mary: We moved
into a new house.
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I would have been around
eight or nine years old.
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Even in this new
house, I wasn’t safe.
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I can still see the building.
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This is where I remember
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my own brother being
in the outhouse
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and assaulting me
in the outhouse.
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I finally had my own room.
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This is where I remember
not being safe in my room
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from my own fucking brother.
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If I made it to my room
before he caught me
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and got the door locked,
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he would take the door
off by the hinges.
285
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I remember him grabbing me.
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And then I remember
being over here
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and instantly splitting
into two people,
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like I wasn’t even there.
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And when I came back,
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the door was closing
and he was gone.
291
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I told my mother over
and over and over
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that these things
were happening to me.
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I begged her, I begged her.
294
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"Don’t leave me home
alone with my brothers."
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I fucking begged her.
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She did it anyways.
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I don’t understand
how you can be parent
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and sit there and
blame these children
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for being sexually assaulted.
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I knew before I left of
at least three cases,
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four sisters, two
perpetrators, their brothers.
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One girl impregnated
by her rapist brother.
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One girl I listened
to confess in church
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at the age of 17 that
she committed a gross sin
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because she "enticed,"
and I quote...
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Hear that. Hear that.
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She "enticed" her
brother to rape her.
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She was a minor.
He was and adult.
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He was in his mid-twenties.
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And this is all when
I was still Amish.
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So do they know?
Yes, they know.
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Well, my childhood
memories, a lot of them,
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I have some happy ones.
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I have some that
aren’t so happy.
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And at one time, I
couldn’t even think
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about my childhood
without thinking
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of those difficult memories.
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Rebekah: My father moved us
around all over the country.
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So I lived in Michigan
and North Carolina.
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We had no indoor
plumbing, or electric,
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or anything like that.
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Rebekah: You know,
no electronics,
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TV, that sort of thing.
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My dad felt like we
didn’t even really need
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an eighth grade education.
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Once we learned
to read and write,
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that was good enough.
328
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So I thought it would be so
cool to look at these pictures.
329
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I remember being in
the basement, I think,
330
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in one of these shadowy
rooms where it was all dark.
331
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I was sexually abused.
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It started when I was
really, really young.
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My earliest memory is when
I was three years old,
334
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but it’s very hazy.
335
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I have memories of trying
to run away from someone,
336
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being grabbed, and I
don’t even know who it is.
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What I have better memories
of is being sexually abused
338
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when I was a little
older several times
339
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by older kids in the
community that we lived in
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and, um, you know,
a family member.
341
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I just thought I
did the wrong thing.
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If I was sexually abused,
well, I wasn’t modest enough.
343
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If I got beaten, well,
I didn’t listen enough.
344
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It was always my fault if
something bad happened to me.
345
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The Amish and Mennonites,
their entire religion
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is rooted in
discipline and control,
347
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and in order to gain that,
348
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there needs to be corporal
and physical punishment.
349
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You are supposed to start physically
disciplining your children
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at the age of three months old.
351
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It is so heavily promoted
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to physically break
the will of a child.
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If you look at it that way, their
entire religion is rooted in abuse.
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Meg: You were really little.
355
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Anna: Yeah, you
were two and a half.
356
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Meg: That was around the time
that your will was broken.
357
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Well, he would try to get them
to say please or thank you.
358
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Meg: I think for
Becca, it was "please."
359
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And she wasn’t
talking very much,
360
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so I thought that wasn’t fair
361
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because I didn’t think she
knew how to say "please."
362
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And then I... I remember how
bad I felt changing your diaper.
363
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The marks just lasted forever.
364
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Each time one of my siblings
would turn two years old,
365
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it would always start on a morning
when Dad didn’t have to go to work.
366
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One of my parents would
tell the two year old,
367
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like, "Clap your hands," or
just give them a simple command.
368
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They hadn’t even usually
done anything wrong.
369
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And then if the two year
old just didn’t do it,
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they would get a couple swats,
and then it would escalate.
371
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Then the two year old
would be kind of in shock,
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like, "What just happened?"
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I remember one time
looking at the time
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and I had gone on
for four hours.
375
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I had a younger brother who
would just always cry out,
376
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and so that would
lead to more beating
377
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and more... more and
more and more beating.
378
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And on this one
particular morning,
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my dad started
laughing and saying,
380
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"I can do this all day
long. I’ve got all day.
381
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I’m going to tie you
up, and I got all day."
382
00:23:03,675 --> 00:23:05,510
And my brother was so little.
383
00:23:05,552 --> 00:23:11,057
I think he was maybe four years old
probably at that time. Maybe five.
384
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We were expected to take
a beating without crying,
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being hit and usually on, you
know, bare skin without clothes on.
386
00:23:20,734 --> 00:23:22,777
I guess that
inflicted more pain.
387
00:23:22,819 --> 00:23:26,823
My dad would usually use
a paddle that he had made
388
00:23:26,865 --> 00:23:29,242
out of a really thick board.
389
00:23:31,828 --> 00:23:34,372
In communities where
abuse is rampant,
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the norms start to shift.
391
00:23:36,166 --> 00:23:39,794
Things become normalized that
that shouldn’t be normalized.
392
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Farrell: That culture of
Amish, Mennonite, and Plain
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have corporal punishment.
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00:23:46,134 --> 00:23:50,096
Children grow up
learning that it’s okay.
395
00:23:50,138 --> 00:23:52,682
And in my personal
experience with the children
396
00:23:52,724 --> 00:23:55,685
from the Amish community
that I’ve interviewed,
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there’s been a real lack
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00:23:57,729 --> 00:24:00,148
of awareness and understanding
399
00:24:00,190 --> 00:24:04,903
that what they’re
experiencing is wrong.
400
00:24:04,944 --> 00:24:07,364
Mary: There’s a perceived
image of the Amish.
401
00:24:07,405 --> 00:24:10,492
They’re, non-violent, they’re forgiving,
they’re all these other things.
402
00:24:10,533 --> 00:24:13,620
And then you have
these horror stories,
403
00:24:13,662 --> 00:24:17,332
these tortures that people
go through as children.
404
00:24:17,374 --> 00:24:18,917
It doesn’t make sense.
405
00:24:21,628 --> 00:24:27,217
We always knew that if we would
look at our father the wrong way
406
00:24:27,258 --> 00:24:31,888
or say the wrong thing,
then we would get a beating.
407
00:24:31,930 --> 00:24:33,890
Or if we even laughed too much.
408
00:24:33,932 --> 00:24:37,811
He would always use Bible
verses to justify that.
409
00:24:37,852 --> 00:24:42,774
My dad always used
scripture as a weapon,
410
00:24:42,816 --> 00:24:44,585
and there’s scriptures
in the Bible about how,
411
00:24:44,609 --> 00:24:47,195
you know, you should
discipline your children
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and train them up to be, you
know, men and women of God.
413
00:24:51,574 --> 00:24:53,576
He would always just tell me,
414
00:24:53,618 --> 00:24:55,370
"Well, see here what
it says in Proverbs.
415
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It says you’re not going to
kill a child by spanking it.
416
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,251
It’s the law. The
Lord commands it."
417
00:25:01,292 --> 00:25:03,878
He would just tell me that
over and over and over
418
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:07,549
to try to convince me that he
wasn’t doing something wrong.
419
00:25:07,590 --> 00:25:09,759
And it just... But
it always felt wrong.
420
00:25:09,801 --> 00:25:12,762
I think it really just
makes me feel angry,
421
00:25:12,804 --> 00:25:18,852
but I’m trying not to
turn out like him, so...
422
00:25:20,270 --> 00:25:24,649
As a girl and as a young
adult, that was difficult
423
00:25:24,691 --> 00:25:30,530
that my mom just let things
happen to my siblings
424
00:25:30,572 --> 00:25:33,366
and not be a strong
person, I guess,
425
00:25:33,408 --> 00:25:36,119
or be a protective mother.
426
00:25:36,161 --> 00:25:40,123
I have a lot of memories
of my mom beating me.
427
00:25:40,165 --> 00:25:42,625
She would take my
clothes off and beat me.
428
00:25:42,667 --> 00:25:44,145
She was supposed to be
there to protect me,
429
00:25:44,169 --> 00:25:47,297
but I do feel like she
never really tried.
430
00:25:49,174 --> 00:25:51,760
Farrell: Children in
the Amish community
431
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don’t feel like
they have a voice.
432
00:25:54,179 --> 00:25:56,306
They’re fearful.
433
00:25:56,348 --> 00:25:57,974
They fear for other siblings.
434
00:25:58,016 --> 00:26:01,811
The bullying, the verbal
abuse, the physical abuse,
435
00:26:01,853 --> 00:26:05,273
and the lack of response
silences children.
436
00:26:05,315 --> 00:26:07,651
The moms see no way out either.
437
00:26:07,692 --> 00:26:10,612
This is the only life they know.
438
00:26:10,654 --> 00:26:14,866
I know of cases where wives have
appealed to church leadership
439
00:26:14,908 --> 00:26:17,243
about their abusive husbands
440
00:26:17,285 --> 00:26:20,997
who were, you know, physically
harming their children,
441
00:26:21,039 --> 00:26:22,749
and were told by the
church leadership,
442
00:26:22,791 --> 00:26:26,211
"Well, nobody’s landed
in the emergency room,
443
00:26:26,252 --> 00:26:28,838
so you just need to
be more submissive.
444
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:30,882
You need to be a better wife.
445
00:26:30,924 --> 00:26:34,844
You need to make him happier,
and everything will be fine."
446
00:26:34,886 --> 00:26:38,014
And that shows a gross
lack of understanding
447
00:26:38,056 --> 00:26:41,976
about the nature and
patterns of abuse
448
00:26:42,018 --> 00:26:44,604
and how extremely harmful
it is to children,
449
00:26:44,646 --> 00:26:46,856
creating huge, massive harm
450
00:26:46,898 --> 00:26:49,401
that can last for
many, many years,
451
00:26:49,442 --> 00:26:51,903
maybe their whole entire life.
452
00:26:59,744 --> 00:27:02,122
Mary: Young Amish
women and girls,
453
00:27:02,163 --> 00:27:06,668
it’s very common for them
to be married at 19, 20, 21.
454
00:27:06,710 --> 00:27:11,172
If you get to be a woman and you’re
21 years old and you’re not married,
455
00:27:11,214 --> 00:27:13,925
in most communities, you’re
considered to be an old maid.
456
00:27:13,967 --> 00:27:16,886
We were supposed to be good,
457
00:27:16,928 --> 00:27:20,473
subservient,
submissive Amish women.
458
00:27:20,515 --> 00:27:23,685
Our whole purpose in life
is to keep a good house,
459
00:27:23,727 --> 00:27:26,521
work hard, you know,
and work harder,
460
00:27:26,563 --> 00:27:28,189
and bear children.
461
00:27:39,868 --> 00:27:44,039
There’s always the teaching that
you grow up to marry some guy,
462
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:47,042
you have babies, and
you care for the home.
463
00:27:47,083 --> 00:27:52,047
I remember seeing Eli,
and he asked me on a date.
464
00:27:52,088 --> 00:27:54,716
And I was sort of
scared because, I mean,
465
00:27:54,758 --> 00:27:56,885
I was 16 and he was turning 26.
466
00:27:56,926 --> 00:28:01,890
But I felt sort of flattered, you know,
that he would want to date a 16-year-old.
467
00:28:01,931 --> 00:28:05,226
And at 26, he would
normally have been married
468
00:28:05,268 --> 00:28:07,771
and have several children
already, you know?
469
00:28:07,812 --> 00:28:10,565
So it was a little unusual.
470
00:28:10,607 --> 00:28:13,526
The week I turned 18
is when we got married.
471
00:28:13,568 --> 00:28:16,446
Yeah, I’m young, but
that’s how I was raised.
472
00:28:16,488 --> 00:28:18,740
There’s really no other
option for a woman.
473
00:28:18,782 --> 00:28:23,411
Eli, my husband,
was sort of troubled
474
00:28:23,453 --> 00:28:25,914
because his dad
wasn’t nice to him.
475
00:28:25,955 --> 00:28:28,124
His parents were very
violent toward each other.
476
00:28:28,166 --> 00:28:31,586
He grew up seeing his mom
grab the kitchen knife
477
00:28:31,628 --> 00:28:33,254
and run after her husband,
478
00:28:33,296 --> 00:28:35,632
and just things like that
and yelling and screaming.
479
00:28:37,467 --> 00:28:40,261
I felt sad for him, and
I wanted to let him know
480
00:28:40,303 --> 00:28:42,764
that I would be his friend.
481
00:28:42,806 --> 00:28:46,643
And he would say, "I’m never
going to mistreat my wife."
482
00:28:46,685 --> 00:28:50,480
You know, and I believed
him, which was a mistake.
483
00:28:56,611 --> 00:29:00,490
Um, it was really hard
because I had no, um,
484
00:29:00,532 --> 00:29:02,075
no one told me.
485
00:29:02,117 --> 00:29:05,578
I didn’t know
anything about sex.
486
00:29:07,122 --> 00:29:08,456
He just grabbed me,
487
00:29:08,498 --> 00:29:10,125
and I was like,
"What are you doing?"
488
00:29:10,166 --> 00:29:12,210
He’s like, "I own you,
489
00:29:12,252 --> 00:29:14,963
and I want to have
sex now," you know?
490
00:29:15,005 --> 00:29:17,632
It was just that...
it was just...
491
00:29:17,674 --> 00:29:22,429
He had no patience with trying
to help me understand or...
492
00:29:23,930 --> 00:29:25,807
I got pregnant immediately.
493
00:29:25,849 --> 00:29:29,310
It was like nine
months to the day.
494
00:29:29,352 --> 00:29:32,188
I wanted to have my
baby in the hospital.
495
00:29:32,230 --> 00:29:34,649
It just seemed a
safer place to be,
496
00:29:34,691 --> 00:29:36,318
and he had agreed to do that.
497
00:29:36,359 --> 00:29:38,820
And then at the
last minute he said,
498
00:29:38,862 --> 00:29:40,089
"You’re gonna have
the baby at home.
499
00:29:40,113 --> 00:29:41,740
I found a midwife."
500
00:29:43,033 --> 00:29:44,659
When Meg was born,
501
00:29:44,701 --> 00:29:46,328
I really started bleeding,
502
00:29:46,369 --> 00:29:48,997
and finally it all calmed down.
503
00:29:49,039 --> 00:29:50,498
And they waited a couple hours,
504
00:29:50,540 --> 00:29:52,500
and it seemed like I was
okay, so they went home.
505
00:29:52,542 --> 00:29:55,003
And as soon as they
left, he just...
506
00:29:55,045 --> 00:30:00,342
He just came in and just... he just
ripped away the bloody bands...
507
00:30:00,383 --> 00:30:06,181
I tried to beg, but I was so
exhausted, I couldn’t even move.
508
00:30:09,851 --> 00:30:14,147
I was so scared, but I never
told anybody how scared it was.
509
00:30:15,690 --> 00:30:18,193
Hinton: Fear dominates us.
510
00:30:18,234 --> 00:30:22,864
When we’re afraid, everything
in our world changes.
511
00:30:22,906 --> 00:30:25,158
People who aren’t
inside of that home,
512
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,369
people who don’t understand
the mind of an abuser,
513
00:30:27,410 --> 00:30:29,537
people who don’t
understand violence
514
00:30:29,579 --> 00:30:32,082
and perversion and
those sorts of things,
515
00:30:32,123 --> 00:30:33,875
they look at the woman and say,
516
00:30:33,917 --> 00:30:36,044
"If you’re so scared,
517
00:30:36,086 --> 00:30:39,506
why do you keep going
back to this man?"
518
00:30:39,547 --> 00:30:43,051
There is no divorces or
leaving an Amish or Mennonite.
519
00:30:43,093 --> 00:30:46,054
It was just never done,
520
00:30:46,096 --> 00:30:49,182
especially as we had children.
521
00:30:54,437 --> 00:30:57,565
This is when Becca was born.
522
00:30:57,607 --> 00:30:59,442
You know, she was 12
years younger than me,
523
00:30:59,484 --> 00:31:03,905
and I just thought she
was a sickly little girl
524
00:31:03,947 --> 00:31:05,991
because she would
just vomit so easily.
525
00:31:06,032 --> 00:31:08,576
She shared a room with me,
526
00:31:08,618 --> 00:31:11,746
and I didn’t know why my sister
was vomiting every night.
527
00:31:11,788 --> 00:31:16,418
I remember when we used to share a room in
North Carolina, and I would wet the bed.
528
00:31:16,459 --> 00:31:17,919
Meg: Yeah.
529
00:31:17,961 --> 00:31:22,090
And I just didn’t know why
you would wake up screaming,
530
00:31:22,132 --> 00:31:24,426
and you would throw
up sometimes too.
531
00:31:24,467 --> 00:31:27,387
Anna: You would tell me, right,
the next day, and then...
532
00:31:27,429 --> 00:31:33,435
Meg: Yeah, I would always told you when
she threw up and when she wet the bed.
533
00:31:33,476 --> 00:31:35,454
Rebekah: I don’t know if you
know about this, but I have...
534
00:31:35,478 --> 00:31:38,273
Ever since I was six,
I’ve had this dream
535
00:31:38,314 --> 00:31:40,150
where rats are
crawling all over me.
536
00:31:41,526 --> 00:31:43,403
I started having these dreams
537
00:31:43,445 --> 00:31:48,199
right after a family
member molested me.
538
00:31:49,659 --> 00:31:54,706
When I was six, my older
brother started to molest me.
539
00:31:54,748 --> 00:31:57,542
He would touch me here and
there without anyone noticing
540
00:31:57,584 --> 00:32:00,712
and eventually start asking
me to come to his bedroom.
541
00:32:01,838 --> 00:32:04,632
I remember the very first time.
542
00:32:04,674 --> 00:32:07,135
He just sat me on the bed and
then he started touching me.
543
00:32:07,177 --> 00:32:09,554
He came in and put his
hand under my shirt
544
00:32:09,596 --> 00:32:13,099
and just started to grope
my breasts and stuff.
545
00:32:13,141 --> 00:32:15,268
And then he would just be like,
546
00:32:15,310 --> 00:32:17,163
"You’re going to get in
trouble if you tell anybody."
547
00:32:17,187 --> 00:32:20,482
I felt a lot of shame around it.
548
00:32:20,523 --> 00:32:23,568
And when he would tell me to
come and meet him in his room,
549
00:32:23,610 --> 00:32:27,280
I felt like I had to, but
I felt like it wasn’t okay.
550
00:32:27,322 --> 00:32:29,491
And I was ashamed of
it because I thought
551
00:32:29,532 --> 00:32:32,577
it was somehow my
fault at the time.
552
00:32:32,619 --> 00:32:35,664
I would try to
stay away from him,
553
00:32:35,705 --> 00:32:38,958
but even when we were around family
gatherings and he’d be sitting by me,
554
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:43,213
he would reach over and
touch me over my clothes.
555
00:32:44,214 --> 00:32:46,883
But I guess no one ever noticed.
556
00:32:54,557 --> 00:32:58,687
In Plain churches,
historically that has always
557
00:32:58,728 --> 00:33:02,440
been a male-run church.
558
00:33:02,482 --> 00:33:06,152
The men are the pastors,
the men are the leaders,
559
00:33:06,194 --> 00:33:08,238
the men are the Sunday
school teachers.
560
00:33:08,279 --> 00:33:12,409
The men who are on the church-run
school board for the church school.
561
00:33:12,450 --> 00:33:16,329
It’s very definitely
the men running it.
562
00:33:18,832 --> 00:33:22,836
The church is in charge of everything
and you have to obey the church.
563
00:33:22,877 --> 00:33:26,548
Each Amish church has
its own list of rules.
564
00:33:26,589 --> 00:33:31,553
It’s called the Ordnung, and it’s a
list of everything in your Amish life,
565
00:33:31,594 --> 00:33:32,954
all the way down
to your underwear.
566
00:33:40,603 --> 00:33:44,232
In the Amish community,
there are different classes.
567
00:33:44,274 --> 00:33:46,693
The highest class is the bishop.
568
00:33:46,735 --> 00:33:49,404
And then you will have the
other church leadership,
569
00:33:49,446 --> 00:33:52,741
other prominent families
within the church.
570
00:33:52,782 --> 00:33:55,827
The more children you have,
the more status you have.
571
00:33:55,869 --> 00:33:59,539
If you could marry into
the bishop’s family,
572
00:33:59,581 --> 00:34:01,708
it gives you a higher status.
573
00:34:01,750 --> 00:34:04,586
Each church has its
own individual bishop,
574
00:34:04,627 --> 00:34:09,924
and a church usually consists
of maybe 15 to 20 families
575
00:34:09,966 --> 00:34:11,886
depending on how many
children are in the church.
576
00:34:13,553 --> 00:34:15,930
So they’re male-centered
communities.
577
00:34:15,972 --> 00:34:17,891
They hold a strong view
578
00:34:17,932 --> 00:34:20,602
that women should never
have authority over a male.
579
00:34:20,643 --> 00:34:24,856
The theology says the
woman’s place is in the home.
580
00:34:35,950 --> 00:34:37,452
If you’re an Amish woman
581
00:34:37,494 --> 00:34:41,456
and you have any kind
of voice, that’s bad.
582
00:34:41,498 --> 00:34:43,583
Like, if you want
something to be said,
583
00:34:43,625 --> 00:34:48,213
you would go ask your
husband or your father,
584
00:34:48,254 --> 00:34:50,757
and then they would
probably speak for you
585
00:34:50,799 --> 00:34:54,177
or tell you exactly how
you’re allowed to say that.
586
00:34:54,219 --> 00:34:57,472
It’s fucked up brain-washing
mind control bullshit.
587
00:34:57,514 --> 00:34:59,933
That’s what it really is.
588
00:34:59,974 --> 00:35:02,102
If you try and speak
out against these things
589
00:35:02,143 --> 00:35:05,480
happening in Amish communities,
you will be silenced.
590
00:35:05,522 --> 00:35:09,943
The repercussions oftentimes
include physical abuse,
591
00:35:09,985 --> 00:35:14,072
shaming, separation,
or being sent away.
592
00:35:19,661 --> 00:35:20,680
They can be sent to these Amish
593
00:35:20,704 --> 00:35:22,664
and Mennonite psych facilities
594
00:35:22,706 --> 00:35:24,666
in order to silence them.
595
00:35:24,708 --> 00:35:27,502
Reinaker: There are
some horrific examples
596
00:35:27,544 --> 00:35:30,380
of where the female
victim against her will
597
00:35:30,422 --> 00:35:33,675
was removed from her home
and placed in facility.
598
00:35:33,717 --> 00:35:36,678
She was administered drugs
as part of the process.
599
00:35:36,720 --> 00:35:39,139
I mean, just things
that are unimaginable,
600
00:35:39,180 --> 00:35:43,393
and the Amish community has
been sending people to them.
601
00:35:43,435 --> 00:35:47,272
They just sort of operate
within their own realm
602
00:35:47,313 --> 00:35:50,358
and do whatever they
deem is appropriate.
603
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:53,862
And what they’re
passing off as treatment
604
00:35:53,903 --> 00:35:56,531
for these individuals
does not at all comply
605
00:35:56,573 --> 00:36:00,368
with what any true professional
in that environment
606
00:36:00,410 --> 00:36:01,953
would say is necessary.
607
00:36:01,995 --> 00:36:05,540
Because these facilities are
unlicensed and unregulated,
608
00:36:05,582 --> 00:36:09,377
many times children
and the vulnerable
609
00:36:09,419 --> 00:36:12,213
are being extremely
harmed in these facilities
610
00:36:12,255 --> 00:36:14,758
and it doesn’t get found out.
611
00:36:26,853 --> 00:36:28,897
Woman: I was raised
horse-and-buggy Mennonite.
612
00:36:28,938 --> 00:36:31,900
As a very, very
conservative Mennonite.
613
00:36:31,941 --> 00:36:35,028
Four years ago, at
the age of 21, I left,
614
00:36:35,070 --> 00:36:38,782
and it was the best
decision I ever made.
615
00:36:40,700 --> 00:36:43,328
The sexual abuse, I
remember some of it.
616
00:36:43,370 --> 00:36:45,038
I don’t remember a whole lot.
617
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,749
I just remember certain
ages when it started,
618
00:36:47,791 --> 00:36:51,586
like, three, and then age six.
619
00:36:51,628 --> 00:36:53,922
When I came out with the abuse,
620
00:36:53,963 --> 00:36:57,258
my family told other people
that I’m schizophrenic
621
00:36:57,300 --> 00:36:58,468
so no one would believe me.
622
00:36:58,510 --> 00:37:00,595
They would call me crazy,
623
00:37:00,637 --> 00:37:02,764
mentally damaged, psycho,
624
00:37:02,806 --> 00:37:05,600
and those are the words
they use to describe anyone
625
00:37:05,642 --> 00:37:09,312
that’s abused sexually
in those communities.
626
00:37:09,354 --> 00:37:11,982
They just looked at
me and saw a problem.
627
00:37:12,023 --> 00:37:13,441
Like, I was acting out.
628
00:37:13,483 --> 00:37:14,943
I wasn’t dealing
with my emotions
629
00:37:14,985 --> 00:37:16,444
because I couldn’t
deal with them.
630
00:37:16,486 --> 00:37:18,780
I didn’t know how
to deal with them.
631
00:37:18,822 --> 00:37:22,242
How do you deal with
something like that?
632
00:37:22,283 --> 00:37:24,619
And that’s when I started
landing in mental hospitals.
633
00:37:24,661 --> 00:37:27,330
Most of my young adult life
634
00:37:27,372 --> 00:37:29,124
I was in and out of
mental hospitals.
635
00:37:29,165 --> 00:37:31,042
And that was probably
the most traumatic part
636
00:37:31,084 --> 00:37:33,545
of any of this trauma.
637
00:37:43,221 --> 00:37:46,349
If somebody is
viewed as a problem
638
00:37:46,391 --> 00:37:49,686
or causing trouble in the
community or the church,
639
00:37:49,728 --> 00:37:52,522
the solution is to pack
them up, ship them out.
640
00:37:52,564 --> 00:37:54,691
Often it’s out of state.
641
00:37:54,733 --> 00:37:57,902
Even children are being
sent across state lines
642
00:37:57,944 --> 00:38:00,196
to these facilities without
the proper paperwork
643
00:38:00,238 --> 00:38:03,325
and the proper supervision.
644
00:38:03,366 --> 00:38:05,594
Jasper: They’ll oftentimes take
you in the middle of the night.
645
00:38:05,618 --> 00:38:07,037
No warning, nothing.
646
00:38:07,078 --> 00:38:10,623
And they will admit you
and you can’t leave.
647
00:38:16,087 --> 00:38:19,924
Misty: We were usually
locked inside, medicated.
648
00:38:19,966 --> 00:38:22,927
A lot of times you won’t be let
out until you seem compliant,
649
00:38:22,969 --> 00:38:26,598
until you seem like you’ve
come to your senses.
650
00:38:26,639 --> 00:38:30,393
Coming to your senses
is agreeing to forgive
651
00:38:30,435 --> 00:38:32,896
and be quiet about
whatever happened to you.
652
00:38:35,106 --> 00:38:38,193
I’ve heard firsthand
accounts from survivors
653
00:38:38,234 --> 00:38:40,236
who were sent to some
of these facilities
654
00:38:40,278 --> 00:38:42,113
who were horrifically abused.
655
00:38:43,782 --> 00:38:48,411
Some were sexually assaulted
by the so-called counselor.
656
00:38:48,453 --> 00:38:52,499
Some were threatened
with the removal of food
657
00:38:52,540 --> 00:38:54,876
if they didn’t cooperate.
658
00:38:54,918 --> 00:38:58,963
Others were denied
appropriate medical care.
659
00:39:00,465 --> 00:39:02,342
Annie: I was 18 years old,
660
00:39:02,384 --> 00:39:04,594
and by that time I was
extremely depressed.
661
00:39:04,636 --> 00:39:08,223
I felt no hope or joy.
662
00:39:08,264 --> 00:39:10,684
Jasper: When you think about
women being locked away
663
00:39:10,725 --> 00:39:13,561
and being told that it’s
because they’re hysterical,
664
00:39:13,603 --> 00:39:16,022
you think of the 1950s.
665
00:39:16,064 --> 00:39:18,274
You don’t think that
this is happening
666
00:39:18,316 --> 00:39:20,068
in the state of Pennsylvania
667
00:39:20,110 --> 00:39:22,737
at the nice beautiful
white house on the hill.
668
00:39:22,779 --> 00:39:23,905
But it is.
669
00:39:50,181 --> 00:39:52,183
Rebekah: He was
my older brother.
670
00:39:52,225 --> 00:39:55,687
I wanted so badly to have
that love and protection
671
00:39:55,729 --> 00:39:57,331
that an older brother
is supposed to give,
672
00:39:57,355 --> 00:40:01,026
but he was just...
He was this monster.
673
00:40:02,736 --> 00:40:08,325
When I was 18, my brother
actually confessed to me
674
00:40:08,366 --> 00:40:11,494
that he was sexually
abusing her.
675
00:40:11,536 --> 00:40:14,289
And he told me
that he raped her,
676
00:40:14,331 --> 00:40:18,543
and he was crying, and he seemed
to feel really bad about it.
677
00:40:20,045 --> 00:40:24,132
I went to my parents, told them.
678
00:40:24,174 --> 00:40:27,927
My older sister came and got me and woke
me up and took me into the living room.
679
00:40:27,969 --> 00:40:32,557
And my mom and dad were sitting on
the couch, and they looked so angry.
680
00:40:32,599 --> 00:40:35,352
And the first words out
of my mom’s mouth were,
681
00:40:35,393 --> 00:40:37,979
"Well, why did you do that?"
682
00:40:38,021 --> 00:40:43,151
And so she blamed me for my
older sibling molesting me.
683
00:40:43,193 --> 00:40:46,696
She was just so angry, and
she just kept asking me,
684
00:40:46,738 --> 00:40:48,865
"Why did you let that happen?"
685
00:40:48,907 --> 00:40:52,494
And it hurt, because I was
like, "What do you mean?"
686
00:40:52,535 --> 00:40:57,332
Because I didn’t even understand at
the time what was happening to me.
687
00:40:58,917 --> 00:41:01,711
And I didn’t process that
until I was a teenager.
688
00:41:01,753 --> 00:41:05,715
I was just so scared that they were
going to beat me when they talked to me.
689
00:41:05,757 --> 00:41:09,678
But my mom just told me,
like, "That’s never okay.
690
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:13,306
You shouldn’t have let that happen,"
and then sent me back to bed.
691
00:41:13,348 --> 00:41:15,350
That was it.
692
00:41:15,392 --> 00:41:18,895
Even after my older sibling
confessed to my parents about it,
693
00:41:18,937 --> 00:41:24,401
it wasn’t long again before
the abuse started again.
694
00:41:24,442 --> 00:41:28,863
He moved out, but he would still
come home to visit throughout.
695
00:41:28,905 --> 00:41:31,741
And that’s why I still hold
a lot of anger towards my mom
696
00:41:31,783 --> 00:41:35,787
because she would still allow my
older brother to come back and visit.
697
00:41:37,580 --> 00:41:41,626
Even when she eventually had the
chance to stop it, she chose not to.
698
00:41:41,668 --> 00:41:45,338
And so then the abuse
would keep happening.
699
00:41:45,380 --> 00:41:48,717
But because of the conversation
we had when I was a child,
700
00:41:48,758 --> 00:41:51,428
I was so scared
that she’d be angry.
701
00:41:51,469 --> 00:41:54,305
So, of course, I
never said anything.
702
00:42:05,025 --> 00:42:08,194
Rebekah: Because of the conversation
we had when I was a child,
703
00:42:08,236 --> 00:42:10,363
I’ve never really
confronted my mom about it
704
00:42:10,405 --> 00:42:12,282
because I don’t
know really how to.
705
00:42:16,286 --> 00:42:21,750
I feel like I hold a lot of
anger and resentment towards you
706
00:42:21,791 --> 00:42:27,088
because the night that you
pulled me out of my room
707
00:42:27,130 --> 00:42:30,550
and confronted the
whole situation,
708
00:42:30,592 --> 00:42:33,386
the only thing I really remember
about that besides being scared
709
00:42:33,428 --> 00:42:38,433
was you being angry at me and
asking me, "Why did you do this?"
710
00:42:38,475 --> 00:42:40,602
Because you said that to me.
711
00:42:40,643 --> 00:42:43,605
And as I got older
and it kept happening
712
00:42:43,646 --> 00:42:45,440
and other family
members abused me,
713
00:42:45,482 --> 00:42:49,444
I didn’t say anything to you.
714
00:42:49,486 --> 00:42:52,947
And even after he left home,
715
00:42:52,989 --> 00:42:58,411
you still would allow him
to come back and visit.
716
00:42:58,453 --> 00:43:04,459
And it was like you choosing
him again and again,
717
00:43:04,501 --> 00:43:06,711
and you just ignored me.
718
00:43:10,882 --> 00:43:14,260
- You had... ( crying )
- I’m sorry.
719
00:43:23,353 --> 00:43:26,481
I’m gonna go check her.
720
00:43:26,523 --> 00:43:29,275
Can I come to, too,
and tell her that...
721
00:43:29,317 --> 00:43:33,113
Maybe not right now.
Maybe just wait a second.
722
00:44:39,095 --> 00:44:43,558
I... there’s no
excuse for me to give.
723
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:45,393
I’m so sorry.
724
00:44:48,772 --> 00:44:53,860
It’s so complicated
with all the abuse
725
00:44:53,902 --> 00:44:56,488
and that I was abusive too.
726
00:44:58,031 --> 00:45:01,910
I think I’m trying
to understand,
727
00:45:01,951 --> 00:45:06,581
and I want to move
on and forgive,
728
00:45:06,623 --> 00:45:10,752
but it’s just really hard.
729
00:45:10,794 --> 00:45:12,253
Anna: I understand.
730
00:45:12,295 --> 00:45:13,939
And I’m trying to figure
out how to do that,
731
00:45:13,963 --> 00:45:18,051
but I don’t think I’m there yet.
732
00:45:36,486 --> 00:45:40,115
One of the things I’ve learned
as an advocate and an educator
733
00:45:40,156 --> 00:45:44,786
is that sometimes mothers
who do not protect children
734
00:45:44,828 --> 00:45:47,539
are actually victims
of abuse themselves,
735
00:45:47,580 --> 00:45:50,583
and they’ve never gotten help.
736
00:45:50,625 --> 00:45:53,837
So they just kind of shut
down and look the other way.
737
00:45:55,296 --> 00:45:59,300
Sometimes you have women who
are just not even willing
738
00:45:59,342 --> 00:46:01,636
to be honest about
their husbands
739
00:46:01,678 --> 00:46:03,346
because they’re afraid.
740
00:46:32,375 --> 00:46:37,839
Mary: I remember hearing my sister
say that she was being abused.
741
00:46:37,881 --> 00:46:40,675
I remember exactly where I was,
742
00:46:40,717 --> 00:46:43,511
how terrified she
was to tell me.
743
00:46:43,553 --> 00:46:47,349
It literally fucking killed me.
744
00:46:47,390 --> 00:46:50,852
She told me what
my mom said to her,
745
00:46:50,894 --> 00:46:53,229
and it was the exact same
word she had said to me
746
00:46:53,271 --> 00:46:55,774
13 and a half years before that.
747
00:46:55,815 --> 00:46:57,359
She told her, "You
have to forgive."
748
00:46:57,400 --> 00:46:59,027
And that means you
don’t talk about it
749
00:46:59,069 --> 00:47:01,321
and you can’t tell
anybody about it.
750
00:47:05,241 --> 00:47:06,534
And it clicked.
751
00:47:06,576 --> 00:47:08,036
Like, if I don’t do anything,
752
00:47:08,078 --> 00:47:09,537
my sister’s going to grow up
753
00:47:09,579 --> 00:47:12,540
and have the exact same hell
754
00:47:12,582 --> 00:47:14,584
as her childhood as I did.
755
00:47:14,626 --> 00:47:17,379
No child deserves that.
756
00:47:17,420 --> 00:47:19,381
It wasn’t enough
that I was a victim?
757
00:47:19,422 --> 00:47:21,424
Now you’re going to
do this to my sister?
758
00:47:21,466 --> 00:47:24,135
My sister who never did
anything to anybody?
759
00:47:24,177 --> 00:47:27,180
I called the sheriff’s
department and reported it.
760
00:47:30,308 --> 00:47:34,521
I don’t know where the courage
came from. I felt like I had to.
761
00:47:34,562 --> 00:47:36,523
I couldn’t live with
myself if I didn’t.
762
00:47:43,905 --> 00:47:48,118
Henry: My position with the sheriff’s
department was the chief investigator.
763
00:47:48,159 --> 00:47:52,664
I took care usually of most
of the sexual assault cases
764
00:47:52,706 --> 00:47:55,083
that came into our department.
765
00:47:55,125 --> 00:47:57,711
She just came in
to our department.
766
00:47:57,752 --> 00:48:00,422
We sat down in an interview room
767
00:48:00,463 --> 00:48:02,090
and I interviewed her.
768
00:48:02,132 --> 00:48:04,467
She went through and told me
769
00:48:04,509 --> 00:48:08,930
what Johnny had done to her,
what Eli had done to her.
770
00:48:08,972 --> 00:48:13,393
She identified her brothers
as the perpetrators.
771
00:48:13,435 --> 00:48:15,437
I don’t understand what
they were thinking.
772
00:48:15,478 --> 00:48:18,189
I mean, they treated
her like an animal.
773
00:48:19,774 --> 00:48:24,571
Whenever you are investigating
a historical sexual assault,
774
00:48:24,612 --> 00:48:27,907
something that isn’t, like,
just recently happened,
775
00:48:27,949 --> 00:48:31,286
where we don’t have the physical
evidence of seminal fluid,
776
00:48:31,328 --> 00:48:34,289
any injuries, things like that,
777
00:48:34,331 --> 00:48:36,458
we want to make sure
that we can build
778
00:48:36,499 --> 00:48:38,668
and gather as much
evidence as all possible.
779
00:48:38,710 --> 00:48:45,592
We decided to place a
body wire on the victim.
780
00:48:47,594 --> 00:48:52,307
They had a whole group of
investigators who put a wire on me.
781
00:48:52,349 --> 00:48:57,771
And then we had a female deputy
drive her to Johnny’s place.
782
00:49:04,861 --> 00:49:10,825
So this road right here is where Scott
and I set up when Mary had the wire on.
783
00:49:10,867 --> 00:49:14,996
And we had to move a couple times
because she went into the barn
784
00:49:15,038 --> 00:49:17,332
and that kind of
messed up our signal.
785
00:49:19,751 --> 00:49:24,005
What I was worried about
was if they caught on to it
786
00:49:24,047 --> 00:49:25,807
and they decided to beat
the hell out of her.
787
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:29,302
That’s why we had to stay
not only within distance
788
00:49:29,344 --> 00:49:32,639
of getting there to be able to
help her if something went wrong,
789
00:49:32,681 --> 00:49:35,934
but also we needed to be
within a certain distance
790
00:49:35,975 --> 00:49:37,894
so we could pick up the sound.
791
00:49:37,936 --> 00:49:40,188
All right. Here’s
the Byler place.
792
00:49:40,230 --> 00:49:43,692
That’s the big
house right there.
793
00:49:43,733 --> 00:49:45,860
Eli would rape her there.
794
00:49:45,902 --> 00:49:49,990
I went back. I
confronted my abusers.
795
00:49:50,031 --> 00:49:53,702
Sometimes we have to face our
biggest fear in order to grow.
796
00:49:58,748 --> 00:50:00,542
What I remember most distinctly
797
00:50:00,583 --> 00:50:03,003
is just sitting there
inside the barn,
798
00:50:03,044 --> 00:50:05,213
and I had my arms
wrapped around the knees.
799
00:50:08,425 --> 00:50:11,052
And it’s just like, if
he kills me right now
800
00:50:11,094 --> 00:50:15,223
or if I die right now,
they’re going to get him,
801
00:50:15,265 --> 00:50:17,684
because there’s people
that came with me
802
00:50:17,726 --> 00:50:20,729
that had the ability to
make sure that they get him.
803
00:50:42,876 --> 00:50:44,711
Now that’s Johnny’s place there.
804
00:50:44,753 --> 00:50:47,339
And about right
where that wagon sits
805
00:50:47,380 --> 00:50:50,508
is where Johnny and
I sat in my squad car
806
00:50:50,550 --> 00:50:53,511
while I talked to him.
807
00:50:53,553 --> 00:50:56,514
And down here is where Mary
came and went into his barn
808
00:50:56,556 --> 00:50:58,725
when she wore the wire
and talked to Johnny.
809
00:51:00,393 --> 00:51:02,979
Johnny specifically
said he had probably
810
00:51:03,021 --> 00:51:07,734
sexually assaulted his
sister upwards of 200 times.
811
00:51:07,776 --> 00:51:10,320
If somebody says
200, that probably...
812
00:51:10,362 --> 00:51:15,825
In my opinion anyways, probably
means significantly more than that.
813
00:51:15,867 --> 00:51:19,120
Bjerkos: We were successful with
getting a number of the individuals
814
00:51:19,162 --> 00:51:23,833
making admissions to having
forced intercourse with her,
815
00:51:23,875 --> 00:51:28,546
and were able to
bring a good case
816
00:51:28,588 --> 00:51:32,217
to the district
attorney’s office.
817
00:51:32,258 --> 00:51:36,096
Gaskell: As the district attorney,
we make the charging wishes.
818
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:43,728
How I perceived the Byler case
819
00:51:43,770 --> 00:51:48,733
is that these were
certainly all prison cases.
820
00:51:48,775 --> 00:51:50,568
Mary: When I met
with Tim Gaskell,
821
00:51:50,610 --> 00:51:55,824
that was a really intense
and also terrifying thing.
822
00:51:55,865 --> 00:51:59,577
The district attorney said
that the state of Wisconsin
823
00:51:59,619 --> 00:52:01,579
is going to press
charges on my behalf.
824
00:52:01,621 --> 00:52:03,415
It’s completely out of my hands.
825
00:52:03,456 --> 00:52:05,000
"You’ve done your part.
826
00:52:05,041 --> 00:52:08,128
This is what the state of
Wisconsin is going to do."
827
00:52:08,169 --> 00:52:13,675
Henry: Johnny, Eli, and David were
properly charged with sexual abuse.
828
00:52:13,717 --> 00:52:19,639
The mother Sally was charged with
failure to protect her child.
829
00:52:19,681 --> 00:52:23,768
William, the stepfather,
he was taken to jail too.
830
00:52:23,810 --> 00:52:27,439
There was no trials. I mean,
it was all, they pled guilty.
831
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:29,774
All of them did all,
all five of them.
832
00:52:29,816 --> 00:52:33,153
Eli and Johnny were
sexually abusing Mary
833
00:52:33,194 --> 00:52:36,281
from age six until 17.
834
00:52:36,323 --> 00:52:39,242
That’s 11 years of hell.
835
00:52:39,284 --> 00:52:44,706
Gaskell: We certainly had discussions
to Mary about the expectation,
836
00:52:44,748 --> 00:52:48,084
an expectation that
Johnny would go to prison.
837
00:52:55,050 --> 00:52:58,636
I don’t remember Amish
being in the courtroom
838
00:52:58,678 --> 00:53:01,306
when Eli was sentenced or
when David was sentenced.
839
00:53:01,348 --> 00:53:03,975
But I certainly do remember
when Johnny got sentenced,
840
00:53:04,017 --> 00:53:06,019
because the
courthouse was packed.
841
00:53:07,854 --> 00:53:11,566
Gaskell: The lack of support
from the Amish community
842
00:53:11,608 --> 00:53:15,153
toward Mary was eye-opening.
843
00:53:15,195 --> 00:53:19,115
The Amish will come in
droves to the courtroom
844
00:53:19,157 --> 00:53:24,287
when they have somebody involved in a
court proceeding or a court hearing.
845
00:53:24,329 --> 00:53:28,541
The support was solely
for the brothers
846
00:53:28,583 --> 00:53:32,462
that perpetrated these
egregious sexual assaults.
847
00:53:32,504 --> 00:53:36,508
No Amish came to
support Mary, not one.
848
00:53:36,549 --> 00:53:39,678
Her support was our
victim witness coordinator
849
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:41,304
with the district
attorney’s office,
850
00:53:41,346 --> 00:53:44,015
and my wife Mary was there also.
851
00:53:44,057 --> 00:53:48,061
The part that I will
never, ever, ever forget
852
00:53:48,103 --> 00:53:52,524
was busloads a Greyhounds
of Amish coming,
853
00:53:52,565 --> 00:53:54,025
not just from our area,
854
00:53:54,067 --> 00:53:56,027
but they were coming
from Pennsylvania.
855
00:53:56,069 --> 00:53:58,780
I was having a hard time
wrapping my head around
856
00:53:58,822 --> 00:54:00,782
that all these people
were here for those men
857
00:54:00,824 --> 00:54:05,954
that hurt her so
badly and abused her.
858
00:54:08,373 --> 00:54:10,542
Gaskell: These are
numerous letters
859
00:54:10,583 --> 00:54:14,796
that were written really
on behalf of Johnny Byler.
860
00:54:14,838 --> 00:54:16,923
This letter says "He has
been," meaning Johnny...
861
00:54:16,965 --> 00:54:20,218
"has been through
all our punishments,
862
00:54:20,260 --> 00:54:24,431
a ban, no communication
with other church members,
863
00:54:24,472 --> 00:54:27,726
grounded, that
included his wife.
864
00:54:27,767 --> 00:54:29,728
These are very
severe punishments
865
00:54:29,769 --> 00:54:33,231
and with what all Mary is doing
866
00:54:33,273 --> 00:54:37,235
to harass us and Johnny,
867
00:54:37,277 --> 00:54:39,070
God sees her then."
868
00:54:39,112 --> 00:54:42,240
It says, "I have a
feeling she is doing this
869
00:54:42,282 --> 00:54:45,118
out of spite more than anything.
870
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:47,912
Ever since I learned to
know Mary personally,
871
00:54:47,954 --> 00:54:52,917
she had a habit of making things
sound worse than they really are."
872
00:54:55,378 --> 00:54:57,047
And that’s her mother.
873
00:54:59,299 --> 00:55:00,925
That’s a letter from her mother.
874
00:55:02,594 --> 00:55:05,930
Mary: They literally paraded
them up on the witness stand
875
00:55:05,972 --> 00:55:09,934
to testify as to what
a good Amish man he is,
876
00:55:09,976 --> 00:55:13,188
and people practically
cried on demand.
877
00:55:25,950 --> 00:55:29,245
I have pointed a real
bad finger at the Amish.
878
00:55:29,287 --> 00:55:34,250
It’s not that it’s awful
that he’s a rapist.
879
00:55:34,292 --> 00:55:39,798
It’s that it’s awful that I am
unforgiving and reported it.
880
00:55:39,839 --> 00:55:42,258
I had the victim
advocate with me,
881
00:55:42,300 --> 00:55:46,638
and I knew that if I could just
make it to the other side of this,
882
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:49,641
I’m going to be okay.
883
00:55:49,683 --> 00:55:53,687
I got up in front of them and
read the victim impact statement.
884
00:56:04,030 --> 00:56:08,159
Mary Henry: And I can remember
just hugging her and holding her,
885
00:56:08,201 --> 00:56:14,374
imagining a child being abused
to the extent that she was.
886
00:56:14,416 --> 00:56:18,003
That’s... I can’t block it off,
887
00:56:18,044 --> 00:56:21,589
but just to think about what
that little girl endured
888
00:56:21,631 --> 00:56:24,009
and to be hunted
down like an animal
889
00:56:24,050 --> 00:56:25,468
and treated like an animal.
890
00:56:25,510 --> 00:56:30,015
The judge, as he was sentencing,
891
00:56:30,056 --> 00:56:33,685
I can remember him saying,
"I see all you people here
892
00:56:33,727 --> 00:56:36,855
in support of the defendant,
893
00:56:36,896 --> 00:56:38,690
but where’s the
support for Mary?
894
00:56:38,732 --> 00:56:44,529
How many of you have ever
cried for Mary Byler?
895
00:56:44,571 --> 00:56:47,532
How many of you cried for her
896
00:56:47,574 --> 00:56:50,118
or the loss of her childhood?
897
00:56:52,412 --> 00:56:55,874
That was a very small triumph. It was
like, "Oh, my God, this is unheard of.
898
00:56:55,915 --> 00:56:59,502
He’s going to actually
do the right thing."
899
00:56:59,544 --> 00:57:02,756
And I thought, you know what?
He’s going to hammer Johnny.
900
00:57:15,310 --> 00:57:16,353
I hoped.
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