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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,625 --> 00:00:04,879 To the outside world, the Amish seem like a kind, loving, 2 00:00:04,921 --> 00:00:07,215 generous, hardworking community 3 00:00:07,257 --> 00:00:10,176 who basically wouldn’t hurt a fly. 4 00:00:10,218 --> 00:00:13,138 But that whole picture is pretty much a lie. 5 00:00:15,682 --> 00:00:18,560 Woman: There’s no family within these communities 6 00:00:18,601 --> 00:00:22,063 that’s not incurring some sort of abuse... physical abuse, 7 00:00:22,105 --> 00:00:25,692 psychological abuse, emotional abuse, sexual. 8 00:00:25,734 --> 00:00:28,737 There are more incidents of abuse like this 9 00:00:28,778 --> 00:00:31,740 within the Plain community than the regular community. 10 00:00:31,781 --> 00:00:35,994 The odds of an Amish woman getting raped by a guy on the street are almost zero, 11 00:00:36,036 --> 00:00:38,079 but within their own communities? 12 00:00:38,121 --> 00:00:41,291 It’s one out of every six on a good day. 13 00:00:42,459 --> 00:00:45,587 It’s a predator’s paradise. 14 00:00:45,628 --> 00:00:49,299 When I was six, I had an older sibling 15 00:00:49,341 --> 00:00:52,594 start to molest me. 16 00:00:52,635 --> 00:00:55,096 I remember not being safe in my room 17 00:00:55,138 --> 00:00:57,349 from my own fucking brother. 18 00:01:00,310 --> 00:01:03,104 Woman: Most Amish communities view going to the police 19 00:01:03,146 --> 00:01:05,899 as a greater sin than the rape itself. 20 00:01:05,940 --> 00:01:09,903 The unforgivable sin ironically is not raping children. 21 00:01:09,944 --> 00:01:11,613 It’s talking about being raped. 22 00:01:11,655 --> 00:01:15,492 It’s so risky reporting. It can be life-threatening. 23 00:01:17,202 --> 00:01:20,914 It’s not that it’s awful that he’s a rapist. 24 00:01:20,955 --> 00:01:25,502 It’s that it’s awful that I am unforgiving and reported it. 25 00:01:28,505 --> 00:01:31,883 The part that I will never, ever, ever forget 26 00:01:31,925 --> 00:01:36,680 was busloads of Greyhound of Amish coming, not just from our area, 27 00:01:36,721 --> 00:01:38,848 but they were coming from Pennsylvania. 28 00:01:40,809 --> 00:01:44,062 The district attorney said that the state of Wisconsin 29 00:01:44,104 --> 00:01:45,331 is going to press charges on my behalf. 30 00:01:45,355 --> 00:01:48,316 It’s completely out of my hands. 31 00:01:52,195 --> 00:01:56,199 The support was solely for the brothers 32 00:01:56,241 --> 00:01:59,661 that perpetrated these egregious sexual assaults. 33 00:01:59,703 --> 00:02:02,914 We can’t just sit here and give them a free pass 34 00:02:02,956 --> 00:02:04,666 just because they’re Amish. 35 00:02:14,050 --> 00:02:17,971 Woman: Amish and Mennonites are what we consider Plain communities. 36 00:02:18,013 --> 00:02:21,016 Not conforming to the world, being separate from the world, 37 00:02:21,057 --> 00:02:23,435 and having a very plain lifestyle. 38 00:02:23,476 --> 00:02:26,271 They purposely separate themselves 39 00:02:26,312 --> 00:02:29,816 from the outside world through dress, through language. 40 00:02:29,858 --> 00:02:31,693 They speak Pennsylvania Dutch. 41 00:02:31,735 --> 00:02:35,238 They came to this country in general, 42 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:37,699 in the late 1600s and early 1700s 43 00:02:37,741 --> 00:02:41,369 because they were facing religious persecution throughout Europe. 44 00:02:41,411 --> 00:02:43,830 They have very strong religious beliefs. 45 00:02:43,872 --> 00:02:47,834 They basically carved out a different way of existing 46 00:02:47,876 --> 00:02:50,712 from the rest of us that has been maintained 47 00:02:50,754 --> 00:02:52,648 for the hundreds of years that they’ve been here. 48 00:02:52,672 --> 00:02:58,053 And they’ve been very rigid in maintaining those practices. 49 00:02:58,094 --> 00:03:02,390 Woman: Plain living is intertwined with the sense of duty to work. 50 00:03:02,432 --> 00:03:04,559 You’re not allowed to have free time. 51 00:03:04,601 --> 00:03:08,063 Everything is really designed to keep you busy, 52 00:03:08,104 --> 00:03:12,400 to keep you away from a wandering mind, 53 00:03:12,442 --> 00:03:14,736 and to be in service of your church, 54 00:03:14,778 --> 00:03:19,282 to be in service of the family, and to be in service of God. 55 00:03:24,371 --> 00:03:27,749 Woman: I was born to Old Order Amish parents. 56 00:03:27,791 --> 00:03:33,088 I grew up in different Amish and Mennonite communities. 57 00:03:33,129 --> 00:03:34,673 We typically worked in the garden 58 00:03:34,714 --> 00:03:37,217 and weeded the garden or hoed or something 59 00:03:37,258 --> 00:03:40,303 before the sun got too hot. 60 00:03:40,345 --> 00:03:43,723 Woman: We had our own garden and chickens, goats... all that kind of stuff. 61 00:03:43,765 --> 00:03:45,565 We kind of lived on a farm, so in the mornings 62 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:47,060 we’d go out and work in the garden 63 00:03:47,102 --> 00:03:49,062 for several hours before we did our homeschooling. 64 00:03:50,313 --> 00:03:53,233 Woman: Who doesn’t want their child to grow up working on a farm 65 00:03:53,274 --> 00:03:57,737 and around animals and having three meals a day that are homemade? 66 00:03:59,406 --> 00:04:03,952 Woman: I learned how to cook, clean, sew, bake garden. 67 00:04:03,994 --> 00:04:05,662 But here’s the thing. 68 00:04:05,704 --> 00:04:07,288 I could have done all of those things 69 00:04:07,330 --> 00:04:12,544 without going through the years of trauma. 70 00:04:12,585 --> 00:04:14,921 I literally could have learned all of those things 71 00:04:14,963 --> 00:04:19,300 without being put in that position as a child 72 00:04:19,342 --> 00:04:21,344 to be sexually assaulted. 73 00:04:28,435 --> 00:04:30,311 Jasper: It’s just this culture 74 00:04:30,353 --> 00:04:33,732 that is so repressed and so secretive, 75 00:04:33,773 --> 00:04:35,608 no matter how much pain that you’re in, 76 00:04:35,650 --> 00:04:37,944 no matter how much abuse is happening, 77 00:04:37,986 --> 00:04:42,949 you’re taught that the outside world is far worse. 78 00:04:42,991 --> 00:04:48,246 Woman: The church wields a large amount of power and control. 79 00:04:48,288 --> 00:04:51,333 Under the church, you would have the men, 80 00:04:51,374 --> 00:04:53,668 and under that would be the women, 81 00:04:53,710 --> 00:04:55,962 and under that would be the children. 82 00:04:56,004 --> 00:05:00,675 And typically the wives only have as much voice 83 00:05:00,717 --> 00:05:03,011 as their husbands allow them to have. 84 00:05:03,053 --> 00:05:06,598 They have generally little to no voice in the church. 85 00:05:06,639 --> 00:05:10,518 Jasper: You’re there to provide meals 86 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:14,147 and to keep your husband happy and to provide children. 87 00:05:14,189 --> 00:05:19,527 It’s even ingrained into the theology that women are to be submissive 88 00:05:19,569 --> 00:05:22,947 not only in the church, but also in the bed. 89 00:05:22,989 --> 00:05:26,993 In Plain communities, we teach that men are almost animalistic 90 00:05:27,035 --> 00:05:29,704 in the way that they view women and sex. 91 00:05:29,746 --> 00:05:33,541 And it’s a need, right? It’s described as men need sex. 92 00:05:33,583 --> 00:05:35,418 You hear how normalized that is 93 00:05:35,460 --> 00:05:37,796 when children are raped by family members. 94 00:05:37,837 --> 00:05:41,716 They’re told, "Well, he needed to have sex with somebody." 95 00:05:41,758 --> 00:05:44,219 And it’s this objectification, 96 00:05:44,260 --> 00:05:47,555 not only of women, but of children. 97 00:05:47,597 --> 00:05:49,307 Man: It’s something that has been tolerated 98 00:05:49,349 --> 00:05:51,726 within the Amish community for a long time, 99 00:05:51,768 --> 00:05:53,895 not addressed as being inappropriate, 100 00:05:53,937 --> 00:05:56,731 and that’s part of why it’s such a difficult part 101 00:05:56,773 --> 00:05:59,109 of the fabric of their community to deal with 102 00:05:59,150 --> 00:06:02,404 because they haven’t viewed it as the problem 103 00:06:02,445 --> 00:06:04,781 that everyone else knows it to be. 104 00:06:21,673 --> 00:06:25,427 So this is "The Girl..." "To a Girl of Eleven." 105 00:06:25,468 --> 00:06:29,848 This is sex education for an 11 year old, I guess. 106 00:06:38,523 --> 00:06:40,066 "This is a sex surge. 107 00:06:40,108 --> 00:06:42,444 Once it is awakened and active in a young boy 108 00:06:42,485 --> 00:06:44,487 at the age of puberty and beyond, 109 00:06:44,529 --> 00:06:47,741 can become a powerful driving force within him. 110 00:06:47,782 --> 00:06:50,618 Every decent girl will do her best 111 00:06:50,660 --> 00:06:53,413 to help him and not make it harder for him. 112 00:06:53,455 --> 00:06:56,624 Even in your own home, if you have brothers in their teens, 113 00:06:56,666 --> 00:06:58,335 you should be mindful of this. 114 00:06:58,376 --> 00:06:59,794 Do not appear in their presence 115 00:06:59,836 --> 00:07:01,963 with nightclothes that are scanty. 116 00:07:02,005 --> 00:07:04,632 Be modest about climbing up ladders. 117 00:07:04,674 --> 00:07:06,801 Be sure you’re dress stays closed in front. 118 00:07:06,843 --> 00:07:09,846 And when you sleep, either be sure your door is closed 119 00:07:09,888 --> 00:07:12,349 or you are properly clothed and or covered. 120 00:07:12,390 --> 00:07:16,811 Your brother, innocently coming upon you and seeing your partly uncovered body, 121 00:07:16,853 --> 00:07:20,106 may suddenly have strong sexual desires aroused within him. 122 00:07:20,148 --> 00:07:22,108 His intentions were not bad, 123 00:07:22,150 --> 00:07:25,403 but he suddenly finds himself the victim of your carelessness 124 00:07:25,445 --> 00:07:27,989 and the lust of his own body. 125 00:07:28,031 --> 00:07:29,783 Cherish your purity, 126 00:07:29,824 --> 00:07:31,826 pray fervently, and guard it well. 127 00:07:31,868 --> 00:07:34,746 God will bless you and help you as you do so." 128 00:07:34,788 --> 00:07:39,167 You are absolutely sexualized as an 11-year-old child. 129 00:07:43,046 --> 00:07:45,548 Let me tell you about my community. 130 00:07:45,590 --> 00:07:47,759 So they were really, really, really conservative. 131 00:07:47,801 --> 00:07:51,554 They didn’t even use battery lights on the buggies. 132 00:07:51,596 --> 00:07:54,641 They used oil lanterns on the buggies. 133 00:07:57,811 --> 00:07:59,938 When you get to be a certain age, 134 00:07:59,979 --> 00:08:03,400 your parents decide you were too old to play with toys. 135 00:08:03,441 --> 00:08:05,652 From then on you’re expected to work, 136 00:08:05,694 --> 00:08:07,362 make sure the horse gets fed, 137 00:08:07,404 --> 00:08:10,281 or if you live on a dairy farm, you still have to milk the cows. 138 00:08:10,323 --> 00:08:12,200 And if they catch you not working, 139 00:08:12,242 --> 00:08:13,868 you’re considered lazy. 140 00:08:13,910 --> 00:08:16,538 You might get spankings because you’re required 141 00:08:16,579 --> 00:08:19,249 to be working unless it’s Sunday. 142 00:08:19,290 --> 00:08:20,542 And even on Sundays, 143 00:08:20,583 --> 00:08:22,711 women still have to cook the food 144 00:08:22,752 --> 00:08:24,170 and do all that stuff. 145 00:08:27,173 --> 00:08:31,261 In each community that I lived in there was child sexual assaults. 146 00:08:31,302 --> 00:08:36,266 My first perpetrator was my biological father. 147 00:08:36,307 --> 00:08:38,601 I was five. 148 00:08:40,603 --> 00:08:42,772 I’ve been doing forensic interviews 149 00:08:42,814 --> 00:08:44,566 for more than 21 years. 150 00:08:44,607 --> 00:08:46,776 It’s not ever easy 151 00:08:46,818 --> 00:08:49,654 for any child to talk about what they’ve experienced 152 00:08:49,696 --> 00:08:51,323 in the realm of child abuse. 153 00:08:51,364 --> 00:08:55,785 Someone you know, love, and trust your entire life 154 00:08:55,827 --> 00:08:58,913 can harm you and hurt you in this way. 155 00:08:58,955 --> 00:09:01,750 It affects every relationship in the future. 156 00:09:01,791 --> 00:09:04,544 Being willing to trust another person, 157 00:09:04,586 --> 00:09:08,256 to be in a relationship or friends with another person, right? 158 00:09:08,298 --> 00:09:11,843 Because what they knew was sacred to them was violated. 159 00:09:14,721 --> 00:09:18,058 Mary: I was five when he died. 160 00:09:18,099 --> 00:09:21,770 I don’t remember him ever apologizing. 161 00:09:21,811 --> 00:09:25,065 What I do remember is they had a huge, huge funeral. 162 00:09:25,106 --> 00:09:28,276 You can’t begin to reconcile that 163 00:09:28,318 --> 00:09:30,111 when your bad person is gone 164 00:09:30,153 --> 00:09:32,864 and everybody around you is mourning that person 165 00:09:32,906 --> 00:09:35,950 and talking about that person, what a good person they were. 166 00:09:35,992 --> 00:09:39,120 But I had told my mom about it. 167 00:09:39,162 --> 00:09:43,124 And that’s when she told me the first time what forgiveness is, 168 00:09:43,166 --> 00:09:45,627 which means you don’t talk about it. 169 00:09:45,669 --> 00:09:46,961 You don’t ever bring it up. 170 00:09:47,003 --> 00:09:50,006 He’s sorry and you have to forgive him. 171 00:09:56,846 --> 00:09:59,724 That burden of forgiving and turning a blind eye, 172 00:09:59,766 --> 00:10:02,143 that falls on the shoulders of the victim. 173 00:10:02,185 --> 00:10:04,396 And that’s what’s happening in the Plain communities, 174 00:10:04,437 --> 00:10:06,564 they’re forcing their victims 175 00:10:06,606 --> 00:10:09,526 to be the gatekeepers of all these secrets. 176 00:10:09,567 --> 00:10:13,279 It’s about saying, "Hey, evil can live and breathe among us. 177 00:10:13,321 --> 00:10:16,700 It can rape our children, and forgiveness will just wipe it all out." 178 00:10:18,201 --> 00:10:22,956 Mary: In 1990, we had moved to another community. 179 00:10:22,998 --> 00:10:27,585 This is where I learned about corn husking by hand. 180 00:10:27,627 --> 00:10:31,673 I also learned that I wasn’t safe anywhere. 181 00:10:31,715 --> 00:10:33,842 I started going to school. 182 00:10:33,883 --> 00:10:36,386 I was afraid to go to the outhouse in school 183 00:10:36,428 --> 00:10:39,389 because people would get raped in the outhouse at school. 184 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:47,188 And at that point in time, my cousin began sexually assaulting me. 185 00:10:49,232 --> 00:10:52,027 And then his brother also began assaulting me, 186 00:10:52,068 --> 00:10:55,030 and his sisters would lock me in a room 187 00:10:55,071 --> 00:10:58,533 so that he could climb in the window and rape me. 188 00:10:58,575 --> 00:11:00,785 And they would laugh when I screamed. 189 00:11:02,787 --> 00:11:04,831 Nobody gave a fuck. 190 00:11:04,873 --> 00:11:06,333 Part of me has to ask, like, 191 00:11:06,374 --> 00:11:08,793 how many of those girls were victims too? 192 00:11:22,307 --> 00:11:25,393 Misty: For me, I was not born into the Amish. 193 00:11:25,435 --> 00:11:29,481 My mom and my stepdad, they ordered several books on the Amish. 194 00:11:29,522 --> 00:11:34,110 You know, the Amish dress like this, they talk like this. They believe this and that. 195 00:11:34,152 --> 00:11:37,322 All of a sudden, one day we just started dressing Amish, 196 00:11:37,364 --> 00:11:40,075 and it was right after my 10th birthday. 197 00:11:40,116 --> 00:11:42,452 I remember we went to the dumpster. We threw away the TV. 198 00:11:42,494 --> 00:11:46,414 We threw away any modern appliances that we had. 199 00:11:46,456 --> 00:11:48,833 We moved to Northern Washington 200 00:11:48,875 --> 00:11:52,545 and we pretty much dropped off the map. 201 00:11:52,587 --> 00:11:58,259 And that’s pretty much how I grew up from the age of 11 to almost 19, 202 00:11:58,301 --> 00:12:00,136 when I went to live with the Amish. 203 00:12:02,681 --> 00:12:04,265 Among the Amish, it’s very common 204 00:12:04,307 --> 00:12:06,101 to have a teenage girl come in and help you 205 00:12:06,142 --> 00:12:08,561 if you can’t manage your own household, if you’re sick, 206 00:12:08,603 --> 00:12:11,773 or if you’ve just had a baby, or anything like that. 207 00:12:11,815 --> 00:12:15,360 And I started living at the bishop’s house. 208 00:12:27,789 --> 00:12:31,459 By at that time, they had seven children under the age of 12. 209 00:12:31,501 --> 00:12:35,422 One day I was told by a friend, "Be careful of the bishop. 210 00:12:35,463 --> 00:12:38,174 He’s not quite right." 211 00:12:44,597 --> 00:12:46,141 It was like one in the morning, 212 00:12:46,182 --> 00:12:48,476 and I felt him shaking me awake, 213 00:12:48,518 --> 00:12:50,812 and he was standing there with the baby and he said, 214 00:12:50,854 --> 00:12:52,856 you know, "Can you watch the baby?" 215 00:12:52,897 --> 00:12:56,484 And he hands me the baby and he grabs my breast, 216 00:12:56,526 --> 00:12:59,863 and I’m just, "What do I do?" 217 00:12:59,904 --> 00:13:01,614 There’s nothing you can do about it. 218 00:13:03,533 --> 00:13:05,994 From the first week I moved in with a bishop, 219 00:13:06,036 --> 00:13:08,455 he started molesting me. 220 00:13:11,708 --> 00:13:16,338 One day I was going down to the basement. 221 00:13:16,379 --> 00:13:19,591 I saw the bishop with his daughter in the basement. 222 00:13:21,051 --> 00:13:23,053 The front of her dress was unpinned, 223 00:13:23,094 --> 00:13:27,098 and he was frantically trying to pin her dress. 224 00:13:27,140 --> 00:13:29,851 And her face was red. His face was red. 225 00:13:29,893 --> 00:13:34,189 He got flustered and ran out of the basement. 226 00:13:34,230 --> 00:13:37,192 There’s no reason for a dad to be pinning up 227 00:13:37,233 --> 00:13:38,652 his Amish daughter’s dress. 228 00:13:38,693 --> 00:13:40,111 She was 12 years old. 229 00:13:40,153 --> 00:13:42,030 She knew how to pin her own dress. 230 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:47,369 I was in a state of shock. 231 00:13:47,410 --> 00:13:50,163 It was a devastating to finally come in and realize, 232 00:13:50,205 --> 00:13:53,500 yes, the bishop of my church is molesting the children. 233 00:13:56,211 --> 00:13:57,879 Even if I went to the rest of the church 234 00:13:57,921 --> 00:13:59,641 and I said, "I saw him with his daughter"... 235 00:14:01,591 --> 00:14:03,176 what are they going to do? 236 00:14:03,218 --> 00:14:06,054 They weren’t gonna do anything. 237 00:14:06,096 --> 00:14:09,683 Going to the police? It wasn’t even an option. 238 00:14:09,724 --> 00:14:14,562 The Amish view going to the police as a greater sin than rape itself, 239 00:14:14,604 --> 00:14:16,731 because in doing so, 240 00:14:16,773 --> 00:14:22,821 you are handing over an Amish brother or sister to the evil outside. 241 00:14:22,862 --> 00:14:24,906 You are putting their soul at risk. 242 00:14:24,948 --> 00:14:27,325 You are endangering them of going to hell. 243 00:14:29,452 --> 00:14:34,374 But if I just ignored it, I was an accomplice. 244 00:14:39,671 --> 00:14:42,424 Hinton: When there’s a problem, who do you go to? 245 00:14:42,465 --> 00:14:45,885 As a woman, who do you go to? Well, you have to go to the men. 246 00:14:45,927 --> 00:14:50,390 Well, when the men are the ones doing the abusing, who do you go to? 247 00:14:50,432 --> 00:14:55,103 If women are told by male members of the community 248 00:14:55,145 --> 00:14:57,897 not to have any interaction with law enforcement, 249 00:14:57,939 --> 00:15:00,442 then generally they won’t. 250 00:15:00,483 --> 00:15:03,111 It takes a very courageous person 251 00:15:03,153 --> 00:15:05,196 to go against that community 252 00:15:05,238 --> 00:15:09,034 because of what the potential ramifications are to someone. 253 00:15:15,165 --> 00:15:17,292 There was this lady that lived on the property 254 00:15:17,334 --> 00:15:20,211 and she had become my friend sort of. 255 00:15:22,505 --> 00:15:24,507 She lived down the ways a little bit. 256 00:15:24,549 --> 00:15:26,593 She wasn’t Amish. 257 00:15:26,634 --> 00:15:29,304 And she was the only other person I knew 258 00:15:29,346 --> 00:15:31,389 that I could possibly maybe trust. 259 00:15:31,431 --> 00:15:35,602 You know, I just told her what happened because I was so scared, 260 00:15:35,643 --> 00:15:38,688 And, you know, she’s like, "You gotta go to the police." 261 00:15:41,566 --> 00:15:43,234 First they had me write out a report, 262 00:15:43,276 --> 00:15:46,905 and then they told me that "We need evidence 263 00:15:46,946 --> 00:15:49,741 and there’s not much we can do." 264 00:15:51,201 --> 00:15:52,261 There’s no point in going to the police. 265 00:15:52,285 --> 00:15:53,578 They’re not going to help 266 00:15:53,620 --> 00:15:56,623 because they view the Amish as this religion 267 00:15:56,665 --> 00:16:00,001 that can govern themselves, that punish people how they see fit. 268 00:16:00,043 --> 00:16:03,004 I mean, there is no help for us. 269 00:16:03,046 --> 00:16:04,339 I took my head covering off, 270 00:16:04,381 --> 00:16:06,341 I threw it on the floor and I stomped on it, 271 00:16:06,383 --> 00:16:09,177 and I said, "I’m leaving. I’m leaving the Amish." 272 00:16:31,533 --> 00:16:33,618 Mary: We moved into a new house. 273 00:16:33,660 --> 00:16:37,414 I would have been around eight or nine years old. 274 00:16:37,455 --> 00:16:40,583 Even in this new house, I wasn’t safe. 275 00:16:43,294 --> 00:16:44,754 I can still see the building. 276 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:48,299 This is where I remember 277 00:16:48,341 --> 00:16:51,970 my own brother being in the outhouse 278 00:16:52,012 --> 00:16:55,181 and assaulting me in the outhouse. 279 00:16:56,141 --> 00:16:59,436 I finally had my own room. 280 00:16:59,477 --> 00:17:02,439 This is where I remember not being safe in my room 281 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:04,357 from my own fucking brother. 282 00:17:06,026 --> 00:17:09,112 If I made it to my room before he caught me 283 00:17:09,154 --> 00:17:10,613 and got the door locked, 284 00:17:10,655 --> 00:17:12,741 he would take the door off by the hinges. 285 00:17:20,498 --> 00:17:22,584 I remember him grabbing me. 286 00:17:22,625 --> 00:17:24,461 And then I remember being over here 287 00:17:24,502 --> 00:17:28,298 and instantly splitting into two people, 288 00:17:28,340 --> 00:17:29,591 like I wasn’t even there. 289 00:17:31,092 --> 00:17:33,011 And when I came back, 290 00:17:33,053 --> 00:17:35,472 the door was closing and he was gone. 291 00:17:40,018 --> 00:17:42,479 I told my mother over and over and over 292 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:44,981 that these things were happening to me. 293 00:17:45,023 --> 00:17:46,775 I begged her, I begged her. 294 00:17:46,816 --> 00:17:49,319 "Don’t leave me home alone with my brothers." 295 00:17:49,361 --> 00:17:52,656 I fucking begged her. 296 00:17:54,366 --> 00:17:55,700 She did it anyways. 297 00:17:58,536 --> 00:18:00,330 I don’t understand how you can be parent 298 00:18:00,372 --> 00:18:03,166 and sit there and blame these children 299 00:18:03,208 --> 00:18:04,709 for being sexually assaulted. 300 00:18:06,795 --> 00:18:11,508 I knew before I left of at least three cases, 301 00:18:11,549 --> 00:18:15,053 four sisters, two perpetrators, their brothers. 302 00:18:15,095 --> 00:18:18,598 One girl impregnated by her rapist brother. 303 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:21,518 One girl I listened to confess in church 304 00:18:21,559 --> 00:18:24,396 at the age of 17 that she committed a gross sin 305 00:18:24,437 --> 00:18:27,357 because she "enticed," and I quote... 306 00:18:27,399 --> 00:18:29,192 Hear that. Hear that. 307 00:18:29,234 --> 00:18:32,445 She "enticed" her brother to rape her. 308 00:18:32,487 --> 00:18:35,865 She was a minor. He was and adult. 309 00:18:35,907 --> 00:18:37,450 He was in his mid-twenties. 310 00:18:37,492 --> 00:18:39,369 And this is all when I was still Amish. 311 00:18:39,411 --> 00:18:41,663 So do they know? Yes, they know. 312 00:18:56,636 --> 00:18:59,848 Well, my childhood memories, a lot of them, 313 00:18:59,889 --> 00:19:01,391 I have some happy ones. 314 00:19:01,433 --> 00:19:02,809 I have some that aren’t so happy. 315 00:19:02,851 --> 00:19:05,228 And at one time, I couldn’t even think 316 00:19:05,270 --> 00:19:06,896 about my childhood without thinking 317 00:19:06,938 --> 00:19:10,984 of those difficult memories. 318 00:19:11,026 --> 00:19:13,194 Rebekah: My father moved us around all over the country. 319 00:19:13,236 --> 00:19:16,031 So I lived in Michigan and North Carolina. 320 00:19:17,490 --> 00:19:20,910 We had no indoor plumbing, or electric, 321 00:19:20,952 --> 00:19:22,078 or anything like that. 322 00:19:22,120 --> 00:19:24,080 Rebekah: You know, no electronics, 323 00:19:24,122 --> 00:19:25,749 TV, that sort of thing. 324 00:19:25,790 --> 00:19:28,084 My dad felt like we didn’t even really need 325 00:19:28,126 --> 00:19:29,586 an eighth grade education. 326 00:19:29,627 --> 00:19:31,087 Once we learned to read and write, 327 00:19:31,129 --> 00:19:32,339 that was good enough. 328 00:19:55,528 --> 00:20:00,325 So I thought it would be so cool to look at these pictures. 329 00:20:01,493 --> 00:20:04,454 I remember being in the basement, I think, 330 00:20:04,496 --> 00:20:09,000 in one of these shadowy rooms where it was all dark. 331 00:20:12,337 --> 00:20:13,963 I was sexually abused. 332 00:20:14,005 --> 00:20:16,466 It started when I was really, really young. 333 00:20:16,508 --> 00:20:19,803 My earliest memory is when I was three years old, 334 00:20:19,844 --> 00:20:21,513 but it’s very hazy. 335 00:20:23,181 --> 00:20:26,810 I have memories of trying to run away from someone, 336 00:20:26,851 --> 00:20:31,481 being grabbed, and I don’t even know who it is. 337 00:20:31,523 --> 00:20:35,652 What I have better memories of is being sexually abused 338 00:20:35,694 --> 00:20:38,321 when I was a little older several times 339 00:20:38,363 --> 00:20:43,493 by older kids in the community that we lived in 340 00:20:43,535 --> 00:20:48,039 and, um, you know, a family member. 341 00:20:50,542 --> 00:20:52,836 I just thought I did the wrong thing. 342 00:20:52,877 --> 00:20:56,840 If I was sexually abused, well, I wasn’t modest enough. 343 00:20:56,881 --> 00:20:59,592 If I got beaten, well, I didn’t listen enough. 344 00:20:59,634 --> 00:21:04,681 It was always my fault if something bad happened to me. 345 00:21:04,723 --> 00:21:08,101 The Amish and Mennonites, their entire religion 346 00:21:08,143 --> 00:21:11,354 is rooted in discipline and control, 347 00:21:11,396 --> 00:21:12,939 and in order to gain that, 348 00:21:12,981 --> 00:21:16,276 there needs to be corporal and physical punishment. 349 00:21:16,318 --> 00:21:20,363 You are supposed to start physically disciplining your children 350 00:21:20,405 --> 00:21:23,283 at the age of three months old. 351 00:21:23,325 --> 00:21:25,869 It is so heavily promoted 352 00:21:25,910 --> 00:21:29,789 to physically break the will of a child. 353 00:21:29,831 --> 00:21:34,085 If you look at it that way, their entire religion is rooted in abuse. 354 00:21:40,133 --> 00:21:41,509 Meg: You were really little. 355 00:21:41,551 --> 00:21:43,553 Anna: Yeah, you were two and a half. 356 00:21:43,595 --> 00:21:45,889 Meg: That was around the time that your will was broken. 357 00:21:45,930 --> 00:21:50,560 Well, he would try to get them to say please or thank you. 358 00:21:50,602 --> 00:21:52,729 Meg: I think for Becca, it was "please." 359 00:21:52,771 --> 00:21:54,356 And she wasn’t talking very much, 360 00:21:54,397 --> 00:21:56,066 so I thought that wasn’t fair 361 00:21:56,107 --> 00:22:00,028 because I didn’t think she knew how to say "please." 362 00:22:02,405 --> 00:22:06,326 And then I... I remember how bad I felt changing your diaper. 363 00:22:06,368 --> 00:22:10,747 The marks just lasted forever. 364 00:22:10,789 --> 00:22:13,375 Each time one of my siblings would turn two years old, 365 00:22:13,416 --> 00:22:17,921 it would always start on a morning when Dad didn’t have to go to work. 366 00:22:17,962 --> 00:22:20,340 One of my parents would tell the two year old, 367 00:22:20,382 --> 00:22:24,886 like, "Clap your hands," or just give them a simple command. 368 00:22:24,928 --> 00:22:28,515 They hadn’t even usually done anything wrong. 369 00:22:28,556 --> 00:22:31,309 And then if the two year old just didn’t do it, 370 00:22:31,351 --> 00:22:36,106 they would get a couple swats, and then it would escalate. 371 00:22:36,147 --> 00:22:38,441 Then the two year old would be kind of in shock, 372 00:22:38,483 --> 00:22:39,985 like, "What just happened?" 373 00:22:40,026 --> 00:22:42,779 I remember one time looking at the time 374 00:22:42,821 --> 00:22:44,656 and I had gone on for four hours. 375 00:22:44,698 --> 00:22:49,661 I had a younger brother who would just always cry out, 376 00:22:49,703 --> 00:22:51,621 and so that would lead to more beating 377 00:22:51,663 --> 00:22:54,290 and more... more and more and more beating. 378 00:22:54,332 --> 00:22:56,292 And on this one particular morning, 379 00:22:56,334 --> 00:22:58,128 my dad started laughing and saying, 380 00:22:58,169 --> 00:23:01,381 "I can do this all day long. I’ve got all day. 381 00:23:01,423 --> 00:23:03,633 I’m going to tie you up, and I got all day." 382 00:23:03,675 --> 00:23:05,510 And my brother was so little. 383 00:23:05,552 --> 00:23:11,057 I think he was maybe four years old probably at that time. Maybe five. 384 00:23:13,018 --> 00:23:16,438 We were expected to take a beating without crying, 385 00:23:16,479 --> 00:23:20,692 being hit and usually on, you know, bare skin without clothes on. 386 00:23:20,734 --> 00:23:22,777 I guess that inflicted more pain. 387 00:23:22,819 --> 00:23:26,823 My dad would usually use a paddle that he had made 388 00:23:26,865 --> 00:23:29,242 out of a really thick board. 389 00:23:31,828 --> 00:23:34,372 In communities where abuse is rampant, 390 00:23:34,414 --> 00:23:36,124 the norms start to shift. 391 00:23:36,166 --> 00:23:39,794 Things become normalized that that shouldn’t be normalized. 392 00:23:39,836 --> 00:23:44,049 Farrell: That culture of Amish, Mennonite, and Plain 393 00:23:44,090 --> 00:23:46,092 have corporal punishment. 394 00:23:46,134 --> 00:23:50,096 Children grow up learning that it’s okay. 395 00:23:50,138 --> 00:23:52,682 And in my personal experience with the children 396 00:23:52,724 --> 00:23:55,685 from the Amish community that I’ve interviewed, 397 00:23:55,727 --> 00:23:57,687 there’s been a real lack 398 00:23:57,729 --> 00:24:00,148 of awareness and understanding 399 00:24:00,190 --> 00:24:04,903 that what they’re experiencing is wrong. 400 00:24:04,944 --> 00:24:07,364 Mary: There’s a perceived image of the Amish. 401 00:24:07,405 --> 00:24:10,492 They’re, non-violent, they’re forgiving, they’re all these other things. 402 00:24:10,533 --> 00:24:13,620 And then you have these horror stories, 403 00:24:13,662 --> 00:24:17,332 these tortures that people go through as children. 404 00:24:17,374 --> 00:24:18,917 It doesn’t make sense. 405 00:24:21,628 --> 00:24:27,217 We always knew that if we would look at our father the wrong way 406 00:24:27,258 --> 00:24:31,888 or say the wrong thing, then we would get a beating. 407 00:24:31,930 --> 00:24:33,890 Or if we even laughed too much. 408 00:24:33,932 --> 00:24:37,811 He would always use Bible verses to justify that. 409 00:24:37,852 --> 00:24:42,774 My dad always used scripture as a weapon, 410 00:24:42,816 --> 00:24:44,585 and there’s scriptures in the Bible about how, 411 00:24:44,609 --> 00:24:47,195 you know, you should discipline your children 412 00:24:47,237 --> 00:24:50,615 and train them up to be, you know, men and women of God. 413 00:24:51,574 --> 00:24:53,576 He would always just tell me, 414 00:24:53,618 --> 00:24:55,370 "Well, see here what it says in Proverbs. 415 00:24:55,412 --> 00:24:58,999 It says you’re not going to kill a child by spanking it. 416 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,251 It’s the law. The Lord commands it." 417 00:25:01,292 --> 00:25:03,878 He would just tell me that over and over and over 418 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:07,549 to try to convince me that he wasn’t doing something wrong. 419 00:25:07,590 --> 00:25:09,759 And it just... But it always felt wrong. 420 00:25:09,801 --> 00:25:12,762 I think it really just makes me feel angry, 421 00:25:12,804 --> 00:25:18,852 but I’m trying not to turn out like him, so... 422 00:25:20,270 --> 00:25:24,649 As a girl and as a young adult, that was difficult 423 00:25:24,691 --> 00:25:30,530 that my mom just let things happen to my siblings 424 00:25:30,572 --> 00:25:33,366 and not be a strong person, I guess, 425 00:25:33,408 --> 00:25:36,119 or be a protective mother. 426 00:25:36,161 --> 00:25:40,123 I have a lot of memories of my mom beating me. 427 00:25:40,165 --> 00:25:42,625 She would take my clothes off and beat me. 428 00:25:42,667 --> 00:25:44,145 She was supposed to be there to protect me, 429 00:25:44,169 --> 00:25:47,297 but I do feel like she never really tried. 430 00:25:49,174 --> 00:25:51,760 Farrell: Children in the Amish community 431 00:25:51,801 --> 00:25:54,137 don’t feel like they have a voice. 432 00:25:54,179 --> 00:25:56,306 They’re fearful. 433 00:25:56,348 --> 00:25:57,974 They fear for other siblings. 434 00:25:58,016 --> 00:26:01,811 The bullying, the verbal abuse, the physical abuse, 435 00:26:01,853 --> 00:26:05,273 and the lack of response silences children. 436 00:26:05,315 --> 00:26:07,651 The moms see no way out either. 437 00:26:07,692 --> 00:26:10,612 This is the only life they know. 438 00:26:10,654 --> 00:26:14,866 I know of cases where wives have appealed to church leadership 439 00:26:14,908 --> 00:26:17,243 about their abusive husbands 440 00:26:17,285 --> 00:26:20,997 who were, you know, physically harming their children, 441 00:26:21,039 --> 00:26:22,749 and were told by the church leadership, 442 00:26:22,791 --> 00:26:26,211 "Well, nobody’s landed in the emergency room, 443 00:26:26,252 --> 00:26:28,838 so you just need to be more submissive. 444 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:30,882 You need to be a better wife. 445 00:26:30,924 --> 00:26:34,844 You need to make him happier, and everything will be fine." 446 00:26:34,886 --> 00:26:38,014 And that shows a gross lack of understanding 447 00:26:38,056 --> 00:26:41,976 about the nature and patterns of abuse 448 00:26:42,018 --> 00:26:44,604 and how extremely harmful it is to children, 449 00:26:44,646 --> 00:26:46,856 creating huge, massive harm 450 00:26:46,898 --> 00:26:49,401 that can last for many, many years, 451 00:26:49,442 --> 00:26:51,903 maybe their whole entire life. 452 00:26:59,744 --> 00:27:02,122 Mary: Young Amish women and girls, 453 00:27:02,163 --> 00:27:06,668 it’s very common for them to be married at 19, 20, 21. 454 00:27:06,710 --> 00:27:11,172 If you get to be a woman and you’re 21 years old and you’re not married, 455 00:27:11,214 --> 00:27:13,925 in most communities, you’re considered to be an old maid. 456 00:27:13,967 --> 00:27:16,886 We were supposed to be good, 457 00:27:16,928 --> 00:27:20,473 subservient, submissive Amish women. 458 00:27:20,515 --> 00:27:23,685 Our whole purpose in life is to keep a good house, 459 00:27:23,727 --> 00:27:26,521 work hard, you know, and work harder, 460 00:27:26,563 --> 00:27:28,189 and bear children. 461 00:27:39,868 --> 00:27:44,039 There’s always the teaching that you grow up to marry some guy, 462 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:47,042 you have babies, and you care for the home. 463 00:27:47,083 --> 00:27:52,047 I remember seeing Eli, and he asked me on a date. 464 00:27:52,088 --> 00:27:54,716 And I was sort of scared because, I mean, 465 00:27:54,758 --> 00:27:56,885 I was 16 and he was turning 26. 466 00:27:56,926 --> 00:28:01,890 But I felt sort of flattered, you know, that he would want to date a 16-year-old. 467 00:28:01,931 --> 00:28:05,226 And at 26, he would normally have been married 468 00:28:05,268 --> 00:28:07,771 and have several children already, you know? 469 00:28:07,812 --> 00:28:10,565 So it was a little unusual. 470 00:28:10,607 --> 00:28:13,526 The week I turned 18 is when we got married. 471 00:28:13,568 --> 00:28:16,446 Yeah, I’m young, but that’s how I was raised. 472 00:28:16,488 --> 00:28:18,740 There’s really no other option for a woman. 473 00:28:18,782 --> 00:28:23,411 Eli, my husband, was sort of troubled 474 00:28:23,453 --> 00:28:25,914 because his dad wasn’t nice to him. 475 00:28:25,955 --> 00:28:28,124 His parents were very violent toward each other. 476 00:28:28,166 --> 00:28:31,586 He grew up seeing his mom grab the kitchen knife 477 00:28:31,628 --> 00:28:33,254 and run after her husband, 478 00:28:33,296 --> 00:28:35,632 and just things like that and yelling and screaming. 479 00:28:37,467 --> 00:28:40,261 I felt sad for him, and I wanted to let him know 480 00:28:40,303 --> 00:28:42,764 that I would be his friend. 481 00:28:42,806 --> 00:28:46,643 And he would say, "I’m never going to mistreat my wife." 482 00:28:46,685 --> 00:28:50,480 You know, and I believed him, which was a mistake. 483 00:28:56,611 --> 00:29:00,490 Um, it was really hard because I had no, um, 484 00:29:00,532 --> 00:29:02,075 no one told me. 485 00:29:02,117 --> 00:29:05,578 I didn’t know anything about sex. 486 00:29:07,122 --> 00:29:08,456 He just grabbed me, 487 00:29:08,498 --> 00:29:10,125 and I was like, "What are you doing?" 488 00:29:10,166 --> 00:29:12,210 He’s like, "I own you, 489 00:29:12,252 --> 00:29:14,963 and I want to have sex now," you know? 490 00:29:15,005 --> 00:29:17,632 It was just that... it was just... 491 00:29:17,674 --> 00:29:22,429 He had no patience with trying to help me understand or... 492 00:29:23,930 --> 00:29:25,807 I got pregnant immediately. 493 00:29:25,849 --> 00:29:29,310 It was like nine months to the day. 494 00:29:29,352 --> 00:29:32,188 I wanted to have my baby in the hospital. 495 00:29:32,230 --> 00:29:34,649 It just seemed a safer place to be, 496 00:29:34,691 --> 00:29:36,318 and he had agreed to do that. 497 00:29:36,359 --> 00:29:38,820 And then at the last minute he said, 498 00:29:38,862 --> 00:29:40,089 "You’re gonna have the baby at home. 499 00:29:40,113 --> 00:29:41,740 I found a midwife." 500 00:29:43,033 --> 00:29:44,659 When Meg was born, 501 00:29:44,701 --> 00:29:46,328 I really started bleeding, 502 00:29:46,369 --> 00:29:48,997 and finally it all calmed down. 503 00:29:49,039 --> 00:29:50,498 And they waited a couple hours, 504 00:29:50,540 --> 00:29:52,500 and it seemed like I was okay, so they went home. 505 00:29:52,542 --> 00:29:55,003 And as soon as they left, he just... 506 00:29:55,045 --> 00:30:00,342 He just came in and just... he just ripped away the bloody bands... 507 00:30:00,383 --> 00:30:06,181 I tried to beg, but I was so exhausted, I couldn’t even move. 508 00:30:09,851 --> 00:30:14,147 I was so scared, but I never told anybody how scared it was. 509 00:30:15,690 --> 00:30:18,193 Hinton: Fear dominates us. 510 00:30:18,234 --> 00:30:22,864 When we’re afraid, everything in our world changes. 511 00:30:22,906 --> 00:30:25,158 People who aren’t inside of that home, 512 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,369 people who don’t understand the mind of an abuser, 513 00:30:27,410 --> 00:30:29,537 people who don’t understand violence 514 00:30:29,579 --> 00:30:32,082 and perversion and those sorts of things, 515 00:30:32,123 --> 00:30:33,875 they look at the woman and say, 516 00:30:33,917 --> 00:30:36,044 "If you’re so scared, 517 00:30:36,086 --> 00:30:39,506 why do you keep going back to this man?" 518 00:30:39,547 --> 00:30:43,051 There is no divorces or leaving an Amish or Mennonite. 519 00:30:43,093 --> 00:30:46,054 It was just never done, 520 00:30:46,096 --> 00:30:49,182 especially as we had children. 521 00:30:54,437 --> 00:30:57,565 This is when Becca was born. 522 00:30:57,607 --> 00:30:59,442 You know, she was 12 years younger than me, 523 00:30:59,484 --> 00:31:03,905 and I just thought she was a sickly little girl 524 00:31:03,947 --> 00:31:05,991 because she would just vomit so easily. 525 00:31:06,032 --> 00:31:08,576 She shared a room with me, 526 00:31:08,618 --> 00:31:11,746 and I didn’t know why my sister was vomiting every night. 527 00:31:11,788 --> 00:31:16,418 I remember when we used to share a room in North Carolina, and I would wet the bed. 528 00:31:16,459 --> 00:31:17,919 Meg: Yeah. 529 00:31:17,961 --> 00:31:22,090 And I just didn’t know why you would wake up screaming, 530 00:31:22,132 --> 00:31:24,426 and you would throw up sometimes too. 531 00:31:24,467 --> 00:31:27,387 Anna: You would tell me, right, the next day, and then... 532 00:31:27,429 --> 00:31:33,435 Meg: Yeah, I would always told you when she threw up and when she wet the bed. 533 00:31:33,476 --> 00:31:35,454 Rebekah: I don’t know if you know about this, but I have... 534 00:31:35,478 --> 00:31:38,273 Ever since I was six, I’ve had this dream 535 00:31:38,314 --> 00:31:40,150 where rats are crawling all over me. 536 00:31:41,526 --> 00:31:43,403 I started having these dreams 537 00:31:43,445 --> 00:31:48,199 right after a family member molested me. 538 00:31:49,659 --> 00:31:54,706 When I was six, my older brother started to molest me. 539 00:31:54,748 --> 00:31:57,542 He would touch me here and there without anyone noticing 540 00:31:57,584 --> 00:32:00,712 and eventually start asking me to come to his bedroom. 541 00:32:01,838 --> 00:32:04,632 I remember the very first time. 542 00:32:04,674 --> 00:32:07,135 He just sat me on the bed and then he started touching me. 543 00:32:07,177 --> 00:32:09,554 He came in and put his hand under my shirt 544 00:32:09,596 --> 00:32:13,099 and just started to grope my breasts and stuff. 545 00:32:13,141 --> 00:32:15,268 And then he would just be like, 546 00:32:15,310 --> 00:32:17,163 "You’re going to get in trouble if you tell anybody." 547 00:32:17,187 --> 00:32:20,482 I felt a lot of shame around it. 548 00:32:20,523 --> 00:32:23,568 And when he would tell me to come and meet him in his room, 549 00:32:23,610 --> 00:32:27,280 I felt like I had to, but I felt like it wasn’t okay. 550 00:32:27,322 --> 00:32:29,491 And I was ashamed of it because I thought 551 00:32:29,532 --> 00:32:32,577 it was somehow my fault at the time. 552 00:32:32,619 --> 00:32:35,664 I would try to stay away from him, 553 00:32:35,705 --> 00:32:38,958 but even when we were around family gatherings and he’d be sitting by me, 554 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:43,213 he would reach over and touch me over my clothes. 555 00:32:44,214 --> 00:32:46,883 But I guess no one ever noticed. 556 00:32:54,557 --> 00:32:58,687 In Plain churches, historically that has always 557 00:32:58,728 --> 00:33:02,440 been a male-run church. 558 00:33:02,482 --> 00:33:06,152 The men are the pastors, the men are the leaders, 559 00:33:06,194 --> 00:33:08,238 the men are the Sunday school teachers. 560 00:33:08,279 --> 00:33:12,409 The men who are on the church-run school board for the church school. 561 00:33:12,450 --> 00:33:16,329 It’s very definitely the men running it. 562 00:33:18,832 --> 00:33:22,836 The church is in charge of everything and you have to obey the church. 563 00:33:22,877 --> 00:33:26,548 Each Amish church has its own list of rules. 564 00:33:26,589 --> 00:33:31,553 It’s called the Ordnung, and it’s a list of everything in your Amish life, 565 00:33:31,594 --> 00:33:32,954 all the way down to your underwear. 566 00:33:40,603 --> 00:33:44,232 In the Amish community, there are different classes. 567 00:33:44,274 --> 00:33:46,693 The highest class is the bishop. 568 00:33:46,735 --> 00:33:49,404 And then you will have the other church leadership, 569 00:33:49,446 --> 00:33:52,741 other prominent families within the church. 570 00:33:52,782 --> 00:33:55,827 The more children you have, the more status you have. 571 00:33:55,869 --> 00:33:59,539 If you could marry into the bishop’s family, 572 00:33:59,581 --> 00:34:01,708 it gives you a higher status. 573 00:34:01,750 --> 00:34:04,586 Each church has its own individual bishop, 574 00:34:04,627 --> 00:34:09,924 and a church usually consists of maybe 15 to 20 families 575 00:34:09,966 --> 00:34:11,886 depending on how many children are in the church. 576 00:34:13,553 --> 00:34:15,930 So they’re male-centered communities. 577 00:34:15,972 --> 00:34:17,891 They hold a strong view 578 00:34:17,932 --> 00:34:20,602 that women should never have authority over a male. 579 00:34:20,643 --> 00:34:24,856 The theology says the woman’s place is in the home. 580 00:34:35,950 --> 00:34:37,452 If you’re an Amish woman 581 00:34:37,494 --> 00:34:41,456 and you have any kind of voice, that’s bad. 582 00:34:41,498 --> 00:34:43,583 Like, if you want something to be said, 583 00:34:43,625 --> 00:34:48,213 you would go ask your husband or your father, 584 00:34:48,254 --> 00:34:50,757 and then they would probably speak for you 585 00:34:50,799 --> 00:34:54,177 or tell you exactly how you’re allowed to say that. 586 00:34:54,219 --> 00:34:57,472 It’s fucked up brain-washing mind control bullshit. 587 00:34:57,514 --> 00:34:59,933 That’s what it really is. 588 00:34:59,974 --> 00:35:02,102 If you try and speak out against these things 589 00:35:02,143 --> 00:35:05,480 happening in Amish communities, you will be silenced. 590 00:35:05,522 --> 00:35:09,943 The repercussions oftentimes include physical abuse, 591 00:35:09,985 --> 00:35:14,072 shaming, separation, or being sent away. 592 00:35:19,661 --> 00:35:20,680 They can be sent to these Amish 593 00:35:20,704 --> 00:35:22,664 and Mennonite psych facilities 594 00:35:22,706 --> 00:35:24,666 in order to silence them. 595 00:35:24,708 --> 00:35:27,502 Reinaker: There are some horrific examples 596 00:35:27,544 --> 00:35:30,380 of where the female victim against her will 597 00:35:30,422 --> 00:35:33,675 was removed from her home and placed in facility. 598 00:35:33,717 --> 00:35:36,678 She was administered drugs as part of the process. 599 00:35:36,720 --> 00:35:39,139 I mean, just things that are unimaginable, 600 00:35:39,180 --> 00:35:43,393 and the Amish community has been sending people to them. 601 00:35:43,435 --> 00:35:47,272 They just sort of operate within their own realm 602 00:35:47,313 --> 00:35:50,358 and do whatever they deem is appropriate. 603 00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:53,862 And what they’re passing off as treatment 604 00:35:53,903 --> 00:35:56,531 for these individuals does not at all comply 605 00:35:56,573 --> 00:36:00,368 with what any true professional in that environment 606 00:36:00,410 --> 00:36:01,953 would say is necessary. 607 00:36:01,995 --> 00:36:05,540 Because these facilities are unlicensed and unregulated, 608 00:36:05,582 --> 00:36:09,377 many times children and the vulnerable 609 00:36:09,419 --> 00:36:12,213 are being extremely harmed in these facilities 610 00:36:12,255 --> 00:36:14,758 and it doesn’t get found out. 611 00:36:26,853 --> 00:36:28,897 Woman: I was raised horse-and-buggy Mennonite. 612 00:36:28,938 --> 00:36:31,900 As a very, very conservative Mennonite. 613 00:36:31,941 --> 00:36:35,028 Four years ago, at the age of 21, I left, 614 00:36:35,070 --> 00:36:38,782 and it was the best decision I ever made. 615 00:36:40,700 --> 00:36:43,328 The sexual abuse, I remember some of it. 616 00:36:43,370 --> 00:36:45,038 I don’t remember a whole lot. 617 00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,749 I just remember certain ages when it started, 618 00:36:47,791 --> 00:36:51,586 like, three, and then age six. 619 00:36:51,628 --> 00:36:53,922 When I came out with the abuse, 620 00:36:53,963 --> 00:36:57,258 my family told other people that I’m schizophrenic 621 00:36:57,300 --> 00:36:58,468 so no one would believe me. 622 00:36:58,510 --> 00:37:00,595 They would call me crazy, 623 00:37:00,637 --> 00:37:02,764 mentally damaged, psycho, 624 00:37:02,806 --> 00:37:05,600 and those are the words they use to describe anyone 625 00:37:05,642 --> 00:37:09,312 that’s abused sexually in those communities. 626 00:37:09,354 --> 00:37:11,982 They just looked at me and saw a problem. 627 00:37:12,023 --> 00:37:13,441 Like, I was acting out. 628 00:37:13,483 --> 00:37:14,943 I wasn’t dealing with my emotions 629 00:37:14,985 --> 00:37:16,444 because I couldn’t deal with them. 630 00:37:16,486 --> 00:37:18,780 I didn’t know how to deal with them. 631 00:37:18,822 --> 00:37:22,242 How do you deal with something like that? 632 00:37:22,283 --> 00:37:24,619 And that’s when I started landing in mental hospitals. 633 00:37:24,661 --> 00:37:27,330 Most of my young adult life 634 00:37:27,372 --> 00:37:29,124 I was in and out of mental hospitals. 635 00:37:29,165 --> 00:37:31,042 And that was probably the most traumatic part 636 00:37:31,084 --> 00:37:33,545 of any of this trauma. 637 00:37:43,221 --> 00:37:46,349 If somebody is viewed as a problem 638 00:37:46,391 --> 00:37:49,686 or causing trouble in the community or the church, 639 00:37:49,728 --> 00:37:52,522 the solution is to pack them up, ship them out. 640 00:37:52,564 --> 00:37:54,691 Often it’s out of state. 641 00:37:54,733 --> 00:37:57,902 Even children are being sent across state lines 642 00:37:57,944 --> 00:38:00,196 to these facilities without the proper paperwork 643 00:38:00,238 --> 00:38:03,325 and the proper supervision. 644 00:38:03,366 --> 00:38:05,594 Jasper: They’ll oftentimes take you in the middle of the night. 645 00:38:05,618 --> 00:38:07,037 No warning, nothing. 646 00:38:07,078 --> 00:38:10,623 And they will admit you and you can’t leave. 647 00:38:16,087 --> 00:38:19,924 Misty: We were usually locked inside, medicated. 648 00:38:19,966 --> 00:38:22,927 A lot of times you won’t be let out until you seem compliant, 649 00:38:22,969 --> 00:38:26,598 until you seem like you’ve come to your senses. 650 00:38:26,639 --> 00:38:30,393 Coming to your senses is agreeing to forgive 651 00:38:30,435 --> 00:38:32,896 and be quiet about whatever happened to you. 652 00:38:35,106 --> 00:38:38,193 I’ve heard firsthand accounts from survivors 653 00:38:38,234 --> 00:38:40,236 who were sent to some of these facilities 654 00:38:40,278 --> 00:38:42,113 who were horrifically abused. 655 00:38:43,782 --> 00:38:48,411 Some were sexually assaulted by the so-called counselor. 656 00:38:48,453 --> 00:38:52,499 Some were threatened with the removal of food 657 00:38:52,540 --> 00:38:54,876 if they didn’t cooperate. 658 00:38:54,918 --> 00:38:58,963 Others were denied appropriate medical care. 659 00:39:00,465 --> 00:39:02,342 Annie: I was 18 years old, 660 00:39:02,384 --> 00:39:04,594 and by that time I was extremely depressed. 661 00:39:04,636 --> 00:39:08,223 I felt no hope or joy. 662 00:39:08,264 --> 00:39:10,684 Jasper: When you think about women being locked away 663 00:39:10,725 --> 00:39:13,561 and being told that it’s because they’re hysterical, 664 00:39:13,603 --> 00:39:16,022 you think of the 1950s. 665 00:39:16,064 --> 00:39:18,274 You don’t think that this is happening 666 00:39:18,316 --> 00:39:20,068 in the state of Pennsylvania 667 00:39:20,110 --> 00:39:22,737 at the nice beautiful white house on the hill. 668 00:39:22,779 --> 00:39:23,905 But it is. 669 00:39:50,181 --> 00:39:52,183 Rebekah: He was my older brother. 670 00:39:52,225 --> 00:39:55,687 I wanted so badly to have that love and protection 671 00:39:55,729 --> 00:39:57,331 that an older brother is supposed to give, 672 00:39:57,355 --> 00:40:01,026 but he was just... He was this monster. 673 00:40:02,736 --> 00:40:08,325 When I was 18, my brother actually confessed to me 674 00:40:08,366 --> 00:40:11,494 that he was sexually abusing her. 675 00:40:11,536 --> 00:40:14,289 And he told me that he raped her, 676 00:40:14,331 --> 00:40:18,543 and he was crying, and he seemed to feel really bad about it. 677 00:40:20,045 --> 00:40:24,132 I went to my parents, told them. 678 00:40:24,174 --> 00:40:27,927 My older sister came and got me and woke me up and took me into the living room. 679 00:40:27,969 --> 00:40:32,557 And my mom and dad were sitting on the couch, and they looked so angry. 680 00:40:32,599 --> 00:40:35,352 And the first words out of my mom’s mouth were, 681 00:40:35,393 --> 00:40:37,979 "Well, why did you do that?" 682 00:40:38,021 --> 00:40:43,151 And so she blamed me for my older sibling molesting me. 683 00:40:43,193 --> 00:40:46,696 She was just so angry, and she just kept asking me, 684 00:40:46,738 --> 00:40:48,865 "Why did you let that happen?" 685 00:40:48,907 --> 00:40:52,494 And it hurt, because I was like, "What do you mean?" 686 00:40:52,535 --> 00:40:57,332 Because I didn’t even understand at the time what was happening to me. 687 00:40:58,917 --> 00:41:01,711 And I didn’t process that until I was a teenager. 688 00:41:01,753 --> 00:41:05,715 I was just so scared that they were going to beat me when they talked to me. 689 00:41:05,757 --> 00:41:09,678 But my mom just told me, like, "That’s never okay. 690 00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:13,306 You shouldn’t have let that happen," and then sent me back to bed. 691 00:41:13,348 --> 00:41:15,350 That was it. 692 00:41:15,392 --> 00:41:18,895 Even after my older sibling confessed to my parents about it, 693 00:41:18,937 --> 00:41:24,401 it wasn’t long again before the abuse started again. 694 00:41:24,442 --> 00:41:28,863 He moved out, but he would still come home to visit throughout. 695 00:41:28,905 --> 00:41:31,741 And that’s why I still hold a lot of anger towards my mom 696 00:41:31,783 --> 00:41:35,787 because she would still allow my older brother to come back and visit. 697 00:41:37,580 --> 00:41:41,626 Even when she eventually had the chance to stop it, she chose not to. 698 00:41:41,668 --> 00:41:45,338 And so then the abuse would keep happening. 699 00:41:45,380 --> 00:41:48,717 But because of the conversation we had when I was a child, 700 00:41:48,758 --> 00:41:51,428 I was so scared that she’d be angry. 701 00:41:51,469 --> 00:41:54,305 So, of course, I never said anything. 702 00:42:05,025 --> 00:42:08,194 Rebekah: Because of the conversation we had when I was a child, 703 00:42:08,236 --> 00:42:10,363 I’ve never really confronted my mom about it 704 00:42:10,405 --> 00:42:12,282 because I don’t know really how to. 705 00:42:16,286 --> 00:42:21,750 I feel like I hold a lot of anger and resentment towards you 706 00:42:21,791 --> 00:42:27,088 because the night that you pulled me out of my room 707 00:42:27,130 --> 00:42:30,550 and confronted the whole situation, 708 00:42:30,592 --> 00:42:33,386 the only thing I really remember about that besides being scared 709 00:42:33,428 --> 00:42:38,433 was you being angry at me and asking me, "Why did you do this?" 710 00:42:38,475 --> 00:42:40,602 Because you said that to me. 711 00:42:40,643 --> 00:42:43,605 And as I got older and it kept happening 712 00:42:43,646 --> 00:42:45,440 and other family members abused me, 713 00:42:45,482 --> 00:42:49,444 I didn’t say anything to you. 714 00:42:49,486 --> 00:42:52,947 And even after he left home, 715 00:42:52,989 --> 00:42:58,411 you still would allow him to come back and visit. 716 00:42:58,453 --> 00:43:04,459 And it was like you choosing him again and again, 717 00:43:04,501 --> 00:43:06,711 and you just ignored me. 718 00:43:10,882 --> 00:43:14,260 - You had... ( crying ) - I’m sorry. 719 00:43:23,353 --> 00:43:26,481 I’m gonna go check her. 720 00:43:26,523 --> 00:43:29,275 Can I come to, too, and tell her that... 721 00:43:29,317 --> 00:43:33,113 Maybe not right now. Maybe just wait a second. 722 00:44:39,095 --> 00:44:43,558 I... there’s no excuse for me to give. 723 00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:45,393 I’m so sorry. 724 00:44:48,772 --> 00:44:53,860 It’s so complicated with all the abuse 725 00:44:53,902 --> 00:44:56,488 and that I was abusive too. 726 00:44:58,031 --> 00:45:01,910 I think I’m trying to understand, 727 00:45:01,951 --> 00:45:06,581 and I want to move on and forgive, 728 00:45:06,623 --> 00:45:10,752 but it’s just really hard. 729 00:45:10,794 --> 00:45:12,253 Anna: I understand. 730 00:45:12,295 --> 00:45:13,939 And I’m trying to figure out how to do that, 731 00:45:13,963 --> 00:45:18,051 but I don’t think I’m there yet. 732 00:45:36,486 --> 00:45:40,115 One of the things I’ve learned as an advocate and an educator 733 00:45:40,156 --> 00:45:44,786 is that sometimes mothers who do not protect children 734 00:45:44,828 --> 00:45:47,539 are actually victims of abuse themselves, 735 00:45:47,580 --> 00:45:50,583 and they’ve never gotten help. 736 00:45:50,625 --> 00:45:53,837 So they just kind of shut down and look the other way. 737 00:45:55,296 --> 00:45:59,300 Sometimes you have women who are just not even willing 738 00:45:59,342 --> 00:46:01,636 to be honest about their husbands 739 00:46:01,678 --> 00:46:03,346 because they’re afraid. 740 00:46:32,375 --> 00:46:37,839 Mary: I remember hearing my sister say that she was being abused. 741 00:46:37,881 --> 00:46:40,675 I remember exactly where I was, 742 00:46:40,717 --> 00:46:43,511 how terrified she was to tell me. 743 00:46:43,553 --> 00:46:47,349 It literally fucking killed me. 744 00:46:47,390 --> 00:46:50,852 She told me what my mom said to her, 745 00:46:50,894 --> 00:46:53,229 and it was the exact same word she had said to me 746 00:46:53,271 --> 00:46:55,774 13 and a half years before that. 747 00:46:55,815 --> 00:46:57,359 She told her, "You have to forgive." 748 00:46:57,400 --> 00:46:59,027 And that means you don’t talk about it 749 00:46:59,069 --> 00:47:01,321 and you can’t tell anybody about it. 750 00:47:05,241 --> 00:47:06,534 And it clicked. 751 00:47:06,576 --> 00:47:08,036 Like, if I don’t do anything, 752 00:47:08,078 --> 00:47:09,537 my sister’s going to grow up 753 00:47:09,579 --> 00:47:12,540 and have the exact same hell 754 00:47:12,582 --> 00:47:14,584 as her childhood as I did. 755 00:47:14,626 --> 00:47:17,379 No child deserves that. 756 00:47:17,420 --> 00:47:19,381 It wasn’t enough that I was a victim? 757 00:47:19,422 --> 00:47:21,424 Now you’re going to do this to my sister? 758 00:47:21,466 --> 00:47:24,135 My sister who never did anything to anybody? 759 00:47:24,177 --> 00:47:27,180 I called the sheriff’s department and reported it. 760 00:47:30,308 --> 00:47:34,521 I don’t know where the courage came from. I felt like I had to. 761 00:47:34,562 --> 00:47:36,523 I couldn’t live with myself if I didn’t. 762 00:47:43,905 --> 00:47:48,118 Henry: My position with the sheriff’s department was the chief investigator. 763 00:47:48,159 --> 00:47:52,664 I took care usually of most of the sexual assault cases 764 00:47:52,706 --> 00:47:55,083 that came into our department. 765 00:47:55,125 --> 00:47:57,711 She just came in to our department. 766 00:47:57,752 --> 00:48:00,422 We sat down in an interview room 767 00:48:00,463 --> 00:48:02,090 and I interviewed her. 768 00:48:02,132 --> 00:48:04,467 She went through and told me 769 00:48:04,509 --> 00:48:08,930 what Johnny had done to her, what Eli had done to her. 770 00:48:08,972 --> 00:48:13,393 She identified her brothers as the perpetrators. 771 00:48:13,435 --> 00:48:15,437 I don’t understand what they were thinking. 772 00:48:15,478 --> 00:48:18,189 I mean, they treated her like an animal. 773 00:48:19,774 --> 00:48:24,571 Whenever you are investigating a historical sexual assault, 774 00:48:24,612 --> 00:48:27,907 something that isn’t, like, just recently happened, 775 00:48:27,949 --> 00:48:31,286 where we don’t have the physical evidence of seminal fluid, 776 00:48:31,328 --> 00:48:34,289 any injuries, things like that, 777 00:48:34,331 --> 00:48:36,458 we want to make sure that we can build 778 00:48:36,499 --> 00:48:38,668 and gather as much evidence as all possible. 779 00:48:38,710 --> 00:48:45,592 We decided to place a body wire on the victim. 780 00:48:47,594 --> 00:48:52,307 They had a whole group of investigators who put a wire on me. 781 00:48:52,349 --> 00:48:57,771 And then we had a female deputy drive her to Johnny’s place. 782 00:49:04,861 --> 00:49:10,825 So this road right here is where Scott and I set up when Mary had the wire on. 783 00:49:10,867 --> 00:49:14,996 And we had to move a couple times because she went into the barn 784 00:49:15,038 --> 00:49:17,332 and that kind of messed up our signal. 785 00:49:19,751 --> 00:49:24,005 What I was worried about was if they caught on to it 786 00:49:24,047 --> 00:49:25,807 and they decided to beat the hell out of her. 787 00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:29,302 That’s why we had to stay not only within distance 788 00:49:29,344 --> 00:49:32,639 of getting there to be able to help her if something went wrong, 789 00:49:32,681 --> 00:49:35,934 but also we needed to be within a certain distance 790 00:49:35,975 --> 00:49:37,894 so we could pick up the sound. 791 00:49:37,936 --> 00:49:40,188 All right. Here’s the Byler place. 792 00:49:40,230 --> 00:49:43,692 That’s the big house right there. 793 00:49:43,733 --> 00:49:45,860 Eli would rape her there. 794 00:49:45,902 --> 00:49:49,990 I went back. I confronted my abusers. 795 00:49:50,031 --> 00:49:53,702 Sometimes we have to face our biggest fear in order to grow. 796 00:49:58,748 --> 00:50:00,542 What I remember most distinctly 797 00:50:00,583 --> 00:50:03,003 is just sitting there inside the barn, 798 00:50:03,044 --> 00:50:05,213 and I had my arms wrapped around the knees. 799 00:50:08,425 --> 00:50:11,052 And it’s just like, if he kills me right now 800 00:50:11,094 --> 00:50:15,223 or if I die right now, they’re going to get him, 801 00:50:15,265 --> 00:50:17,684 because there’s people that came with me 802 00:50:17,726 --> 00:50:20,729 that had the ability to make sure that they get him. 803 00:50:42,876 --> 00:50:44,711 Now that’s Johnny’s place there. 804 00:50:44,753 --> 00:50:47,339 And about right where that wagon sits 805 00:50:47,380 --> 00:50:50,508 is where Johnny and I sat in my squad car 806 00:50:50,550 --> 00:50:53,511 while I talked to him. 807 00:50:53,553 --> 00:50:56,514 And down here is where Mary came and went into his barn 808 00:50:56,556 --> 00:50:58,725 when she wore the wire and talked to Johnny. 809 00:51:00,393 --> 00:51:02,979 Johnny specifically said he had probably 810 00:51:03,021 --> 00:51:07,734 sexually assaulted his sister upwards of 200 times. 811 00:51:07,776 --> 00:51:10,320 If somebody says 200, that probably... 812 00:51:10,362 --> 00:51:15,825 In my opinion anyways, probably means significantly more than that. 813 00:51:15,867 --> 00:51:19,120 Bjerkos: We were successful with getting a number of the individuals 814 00:51:19,162 --> 00:51:23,833 making admissions to having forced intercourse with her, 815 00:51:23,875 --> 00:51:28,546 and were able to bring a good case 816 00:51:28,588 --> 00:51:32,217 to the district attorney’s office. 817 00:51:32,258 --> 00:51:36,096 Gaskell: As the district attorney, we make the charging wishes. 818 00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:43,728 How I perceived the Byler case 819 00:51:43,770 --> 00:51:48,733 is that these were certainly all prison cases. 820 00:51:48,775 --> 00:51:50,568 Mary: When I met with Tim Gaskell, 821 00:51:50,610 --> 00:51:55,824 that was a really intense and also terrifying thing. 822 00:51:55,865 --> 00:51:59,577 The district attorney said that the state of Wisconsin 823 00:51:59,619 --> 00:52:01,579 is going to press charges on my behalf. 824 00:52:01,621 --> 00:52:03,415 It’s completely out of my hands. 825 00:52:03,456 --> 00:52:05,000 "You’ve done your part. 826 00:52:05,041 --> 00:52:08,128 This is what the state of Wisconsin is going to do." 827 00:52:08,169 --> 00:52:13,675 Henry: Johnny, Eli, and David were properly charged with sexual abuse. 828 00:52:13,717 --> 00:52:19,639 The mother Sally was charged with failure to protect her child. 829 00:52:19,681 --> 00:52:23,768 William, the stepfather, he was taken to jail too. 830 00:52:23,810 --> 00:52:27,439 There was no trials. I mean, it was all, they pled guilty. 831 00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:29,774 All of them did all, all five of them. 832 00:52:29,816 --> 00:52:33,153 Eli and Johnny were sexually abusing Mary 833 00:52:33,194 --> 00:52:36,281 from age six until 17. 834 00:52:36,323 --> 00:52:39,242 That’s 11 years of hell. 835 00:52:39,284 --> 00:52:44,706 Gaskell: We certainly had discussions to Mary about the expectation, 836 00:52:44,748 --> 00:52:48,084 an expectation that Johnny would go to prison. 837 00:52:55,050 --> 00:52:58,636 I don’t remember Amish being in the courtroom 838 00:52:58,678 --> 00:53:01,306 when Eli was sentenced or when David was sentenced. 839 00:53:01,348 --> 00:53:03,975 But I certainly do remember when Johnny got sentenced, 840 00:53:04,017 --> 00:53:06,019 because the courthouse was packed. 841 00:53:07,854 --> 00:53:11,566 Gaskell: The lack of support from the Amish community 842 00:53:11,608 --> 00:53:15,153 toward Mary was eye-opening. 843 00:53:15,195 --> 00:53:19,115 The Amish will come in droves to the courtroom 844 00:53:19,157 --> 00:53:24,287 when they have somebody involved in a court proceeding or a court hearing. 845 00:53:24,329 --> 00:53:28,541 The support was solely for the brothers 846 00:53:28,583 --> 00:53:32,462 that perpetrated these egregious sexual assaults. 847 00:53:32,504 --> 00:53:36,508 No Amish came to support Mary, not one. 848 00:53:36,549 --> 00:53:39,678 Her support was our victim witness coordinator 849 00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:41,304 with the district attorney’s office, 850 00:53:41,346 --> 00:53:44,015 and my wife Mary was there also. 851 00:53:44,057 --> 00:53:48,061 The part that I will never, ever, ever forget 852 00:53:48,103 --> 00:53:52,524 was busloads a Greyhounds of Amish coming, 853 00:53:52,565 --> 00:53:54,025 not just from our area, 854 00:53:54,067 --> 00:53:56,027 but they were coming from Pennsylvania. 855 00:53:56,069 --> 00:53:58,780 I was having a hard time wrapping my head around 856 00:53:58,822 --> 00:54:00,782 that all these people were here for those men 857 00:54:00,824 --> 00:54:05,954 that hurt her so badly and abused her. 858 00:54:08,373 --> 00:54:10,542 Gaskell: These are numerous letters 859 00:54:10,583 --> 00:54:14,796 that were written really on behalf of Johnny Byler. 860 00:54:14,838 --> 00:54:16,923 This letter says "He has been," meaning Johnny... 861 00:54:16,965 --> 00:54:20,218 "has been through all our punishments, 862 00:54:20,260 --> 00:54:24,431 a ban, no communication with other church members, 863 00:54:24,472 --> 00:54:27,726 grounded, that included his wife. 864 00:54:27,767 --> 00:54:29,728 These are very severe punishments 865 00:54:29,769 --> 00:54:33,231 and with what all Mary is doing 866 00:54:33,273 --> 00:54:37,235 to harass us and Johnny, 867 00:54:37,277 --> 00:54:39,070 God sees her then." 868 00:54:39,112 --> 00:54:42,240 It says, "I have a feeling she is doing this 869 00:54:42,282 --> 00:54:45,118 out of spite more than anything. 870 00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:47,912 Ever since I learned to know Mary personally, 871 00:54:47,954 --> 00:54:52,917 she had a habit of making things sound worse than they really are." 872 00:54:55,378 --> 00:54:57,047 And that’s her mother. 873 00:54:59,299 --> 00:55:00,925 That’s a letter from her mother. 874 00:55:02,594 --> 00:55:05,930 Mary: They literally paraded them up on the witness stand 875 00:55:05,972 --> 00:55:09,934 to testify as to what a good Amish man he is, 876 00:55:09,976 --> 00:55:13,188 and people practically cried on demand. 877 00:55:25,950 --> 00:55:29,245 I have pointed a real bad finger at the Amish. 878 00:55:29,287 --> 00:55:34,250 It’s not that it’s awful that he’s a rapist. 879 00:55:34,292 --> 00:55:39,798 It’s that it’s awful that I am unforgiving and reported it. 880 00:55:39,839 --> 00:55:42,258 I had the victim advocate with me, 881 00:55:42,300 --> 00:55:46,638 and I knew that if I could just make it to the other side of this, 882 00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:49,641 I’m going to be okay. 883 00:55:49,683 --> 00:55:53,687 I got up in front of them and read the victim impact statement. 884 00:56:04,030 --> 00:56:08,159 Mary Henry: And I can remember just hugging her and holding her, 885 00:56:08,201 --> 00:56:14,374 imagining a child being abused to the extent that she was. 886 00:56:14,416 --> 00:56:18,003 That’s... I can’t block it off, 887 00:56:18,044 --> 00:56:21,589 but just to think about what that little girl endured 888 00:56:21,631 --> 00:56:24,009 and to be hunted down like an animal 889 00:56:24,050 --> 00:56:25,468 and treated like an animal. 890 00:56:25,510 --> 00:56:30,015 The judge, as he was sentencing, 891 00:56:30,056 --> 00:56:33,685 I can remember him saying, "I see all you people here 892 00:56:33,727 --> 00:56:36,855 in support of the defendant, 893 00:56:36,896 --> 00:56:38,690 but where’s the support for Mary? 894 00:56:38,732 --> 00:56:44,529 How many of you have ever cried for Mary Byler? 895 00:56:44,571 --> 00:56:47,532 How many of you cried for her 896 00:56:47,574 --> 00:56:50,118 or the loss of her childhood? 897 00:56:52,412 --> 00:56:55,874 That was a very small triumph. It was like, "Oh, my God, this is unheard of. 898 00:56:55,915 --> 00:56:59,502 He’s going to actually do the right thing." 899 00:56:59,544 --> 00:57:02,756 And I thought, you know what? He’s going to hammer Johnny. 900 00:57:15,310 --> 00:57:16,353 I hoped. 75110

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