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CHRISTOPHER K. MELLON:
November 2004,
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off the coast
of Southern California,
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the radar operators
on the USS Princeton
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begin to see objects
coming essentially from space.
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COMMANDER DAVE FRAVOR:
As I come up, I can see him as
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he's crossing in front of me,
it starts to accelerate,
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gets right on my nose
and disappears.
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LT. COMMANDER ALEX DIETRICH:
This particular object
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was not following
any of our rules.
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Like, what the (bleep) is that?
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Like, we're seeing something
for the first time.
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We don't know if it's a threat.
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We don't even know what it is.
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FRAVOR:
We don't know
what we don't know.
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MAN (on radio):
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SEN. HARRY REID:
These unidentified
flying phenomenon
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or objects,
you know, I don't know
what they are.
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But we've established one thing:
they exist.
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MICHIO KAKU:
Our pilots have been seeing
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these things for decades.
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LESLIE KEAN:
Their sightings
go all the way back
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to the '40s
and '50s and '60s.
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MAN: We have a report
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of an unidentified aircraft
south of the field.
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REPORTER:
There have been
hundreds of sightings
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in Westchester, Dutchess,
and Putnam Counties.
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MARCO RUBIO:
Anything that
enters an airspace
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that's not supposed
to be there is a threat.
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SEN. KIRSTEN GILLIBRAND:
There's a lot of people
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who feel very passionate
about this issue
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and they just want people
to take it seriously,
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as they should!
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JEFF KRIPAL:
The military and the government
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basically decided
on a policy of shaming.
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KEAN:
The witnesses were very afraid
of being ridiculed.
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FRANK MANNOR:
They think you're a nut,
tell you the truth.
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That's just what
they figure you are.
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HELENE COOPER:
We needed to remove the stigma.
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REP. ANDRE CARSON:
Republicans are just as curious
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as Democrats
when it comes to these matters.
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KAKU:
It used to be that
the burden of proof
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was on the true believer.
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They saw something, prove it.
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Now the burden of proof
has shifted to the government.
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Now they have to prove
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that they don't
come from perhaps
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another universe beyond ours.
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J. ALLEN HYNEK:
We get reports every night.
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MAN 1: I don't know
what the hell it is.
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MAN 2:
Looks like a rotating
light around it.
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NARRATOR:
Yes, it came from outer space
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to fill the world
with terror.
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To bring you
unforgettable suspense.
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LUIS D. ELIZONDO:
When you hear the term "UFO,"
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I think a lot of people
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think of, uh, little green men
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and Elvis on the mothership,
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and tin foil hats.
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NARRATOR:
Where did it come from?
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ELIZONDO:
When in reality,
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what we're talking about
are real objects
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that are being encountered
over controlled U.S. airspace,
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in some cases
very sensitive locations,
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performing in ways that,
frankly, we can't understand.
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GILLIBRAND: Honestly,
we have video footage of UAPs,
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unidentified aerial phenomena.
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MAN (on radio):
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GILLIBRAND:
More and more things
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that we can't identify.
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(laughs) So we need
to know what it is.
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That is necessary
for national security.
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PILOT (on radio):
There's a whole fleet of them,
look on the ASA.
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CARSON:
Might this be
from the Russians,
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the Chinese government?
Or another hostile nation?
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A non-state actor?
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Or are these aircraft
otherworldly?
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Are these beings from
another galaxy or universe?
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These are questions that,
that have to be answered.
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MELLON: I think the best
way to characterize it
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is we're vulnerable.
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It's a vulnerability.
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And that vulnerability
could be exploited,
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could be massively
exploited.
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So, that has to be
a national security concern.
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ELIZONDO:
We've been looking at this topic
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for the last 70 years
as a country.
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We have substantiated reports
of UAP activity
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from at least World War II.
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LT. GENERAL JOHN A. SAMFORD:
We have received and analyzed
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between 1 and 2,000 reports
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that have come to us
from all kinds of sources.
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MELLON: You're not taught
this in history class,
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but we had a phenomenal
series of UFO sightings
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directly over the nation's
Capital in July 1952,
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on two successive weekends.
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SAMFORD:
Air Force interest
in this problem
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has been due
to our feeling of an obligation
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to identify anything in the air
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that may have
the possibility of threat
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or menace
to the United States.
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ELIZONDO:
The American people
wanted answers.
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And unfortunately the Air Force
chose to obfuscate.
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LAWRENCE J. TACKER:
Our critics continually charge
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that the United States Air Force
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is withholding information
from the general public.
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This is absolutely untrue.
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We are not hiding anything.
We have nothing to hide.
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ELIZONDO:
So in the early 1970s,
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the government concluded
its investigation into UFOs.
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As a result of that,
there was this quiet period.
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This point where
the U.S. government
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had washed
its hands of the topic.
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That occurred for,
for several decades,
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or at least that's what
we were led to believe.
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But in fact, in 2008,
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I was approached by a couple
representatives from a little,
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small, obscure office
somewhere in, in the Pentagon.
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That office was called
the Advance Aerospace Threat
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Identification Program: AATIP.
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The individuals asked me
if I would be part of an effort
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which, quite literally,
looked at UFOs.
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AATIP was the deliberate
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and purposeful study of
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Unidentified Aerial Vehicles
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that were being encountered
in controlled U.S. air space.
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People asked me,
"Well, why you, Luis?"
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And as it was explained to me
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was because of my,
my background.
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I'm a career
counterintelligence
special agent.
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Many of my assignments
were overseas,
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initially in the Latin American,
uh, hemisphere,
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and then later on,
after September 11th,
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over in Afghanistan
and the Middle East.
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I took an oath many,
many years ago
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to defend this country
from all enemies,
foreign and domestic.
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And that's why I accepted
the offer to join AATIP.
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I approached this job
the same way
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I did every other job
I ever had in intelligence.
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The exact same methodologies
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that we used
to hunt terrorists,
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we were using to hunt UFOs.
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The sources of information
that was collected
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was primarily through
Department of Defense
and military assets.
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Think of fighter aircraft and,
and military eyewitnesses.
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We did not engage the public.
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These pilots are,
are not only trained observers,
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but they are some of the best
aircraft pilots on the planet
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operating some of the most
sophisticated weapons systems
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on the planet.
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When they're telling you
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that they are
encountering something
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that they cannot describe,
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that impacts
our national security
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and our ability to respond
to a perceived threat.
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And so when they are
encountering these objects
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we have to take
their testimony seriously.
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Imagine something
that had the ability
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to fly in space,
under water,
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and in our atmosphere
at 13,000 miles an hour, and,
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and change directions
instantly.
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We fly the SR-71
at 3,200 miles an hour.
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If you wanted to take
a right-hand turn,
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it would take you roughly
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half the state of Ohio
to do it.
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And yet what we are seeing
are objects
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that can do 90-degree turns
instantly.
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And we're not talking about
speeds of 3,200 miles an hour.
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They've been clocked
at over 13,000.
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The question arises:
How is that possible?
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GILLIBRAND:
On the Armed Services
Committee,
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the one thing
I did become aware of
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that I was very concerned about
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is that members
of our armed forces
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have come forward
over many years
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with reports of
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Unidentified Aerial Phenomena
that they actually captured
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and instead of that information
being well-received,
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it's often been denigrated.
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MELLON:
By and large,
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most of the data
was not even filed,
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or saved, or reported.
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The information that was stored
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did not go to
a central authority.
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GILLIBRAND:
That's not acceptable.
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And if we don't know
what it is,
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it's not an appropriate
response to say, well then,
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let's not look at it,
or let's not admit it's there.
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And so I wanted
to look into this further.
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DIRECTOR: So is that like
an adrenaline junkie,
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is that what
you'd call yourself?
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FRAVOR: I wouldn't say
I'm an adrenaline junkie,
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but I like fast cars
and flying jets are pretty cool.
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I think it's the greatest
job on the planet.
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My name is David Fravor.
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I'm a retired Navy Commander
Super Hornet pilot.
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I flew for 18 years
for the United States Navy.
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I'm, uh,
at the foot of the ladder...
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July 1969,
I was with my mom
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watching Neil Armstrong
walk on the moon.
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MAN (on radio):
Both hands down,
about the fourth rung up.
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And I was
fascinated with space
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and my mom said they were
all former military pilots.
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And about from that point on,
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I had this goal
that I was gonna
fly tactical aircraft
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somewhere in
the United States military.
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I got some pilots
that I worry about.
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'Cause, the first thing,
you don't want to lose anybody
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and number two, the airplanes
are pretty expensive
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and it's tax dollars.
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In November of 2004,
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we're gonna work
with the USS Princeton
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and we were flying,
we're training our aircrew.
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SOLDIER (on radio):
Stand by for word
from Commanding Officer.
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FRAVOR:
As Alex was flying
the other plane,
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The Princeton
came up and said, "Hey, sir,
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we're gonna, we're gonna
hold on training today."
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So he said, "Hey,
we have a real-world vector,"
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and they turned us off
to the West.
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It goes to,
"Oh, real world.
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Maybe we're going to intercept
some drug runners."
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DIETRICH:
We were flying in a tactical
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combat spread formation,
two aircraft.
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Each aircraft had two aircrew.
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As the radar hits
on the USS Princeton ,
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scopes start to march
towards each other.
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They get so close that
they can't differentiate them,
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and that's called
a merge plot.
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And a merge plot is when
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you would expect to merge
with this other aircraft,
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and if you're
in a combat situation,
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that's obviously
a very tense moment.
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(indistinct radio chatter)
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FRAVOR:
So, when you do that,
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you start looking outside,
so we're kinda doing this...
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looking around to see
where it's at
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because it's somewhere
around you and you don't know.
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And I looked down,
I go, "What is that?!"
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Close your eyes and imagine
a long cylindrical white object
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with rounded ends,
roughly 40 feet long,
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that looked like
a giant Tic Tac.
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It was white, pure white,
it had no windows,
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no wings,
no visual signs of propulsion.
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And this thing was
going like this...
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And I, I describe it as like
if you put a ping pong ball
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and it was
bouncing off a wall.
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DIETRICH:
This particular object
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was not following
any of our rules.
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It didn't have a turn radius
that we would expect.
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It didn't have a period
to accelerate and decelerate.
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It just seemed to zip
so quickly that it was again
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really disorienting,
really confusing for us.
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RICKI STERN: David said
it was the "WTF moment."
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DIETRICH:
Yeah. (laughs) Yeah.
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There were definitely
some "WTFs" on the radio.
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(laughs)
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Not in a scared way but like,
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"What the (bleep) is that?"
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Like, we're seeing something
for the first time.
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FRAVOR:
You know, some people go
"what is that" and they run.
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And then some people say
"what is that"
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and they're curious and they
want to get closer and closer.
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I wanted to get closer
and see what it was.
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DIETRICH:
My lead,
Commander David Fravor,
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he says "I'm in,"
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which means that he's engaging
with this thing.
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FRAVOR:
We're going around,
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we get to about
the 12 o'clock position
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and this thing is
still pointing north-south.
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The Tic Tac goes...
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and turns and starts coming up.
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So, now it's mirroring me.
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Whatever it was,
was aware that we were there.
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And as I come up, I can see him
as he's crossing in front of me,
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it starts to accelerate,
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gets right on my nose
and disappears.
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For something to come off
the surface of the ocean
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like it was moving around,
to be able to just accelerate,
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to match my speed
and then to rapidly go away,
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we do not possess
that technology.
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COMMANDER CHAD UNDERWOOD:
Dave Fravor was
my commanding officer.
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Dave had his encounter.
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He comes back and lands
on the carrier
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and goes
"I'm a little weirded out."
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Uh, we were out there,
and we saw this object.
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"I need you to go out
to this sector of airspace
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and try to find it."
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He's been flying
his entire career,
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over 20 years.
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When he says
something like that,
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I take it seriously.
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FRAVOR: Chad decided,
"If there's any way possible,
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if I can get this thing
on video, I'm gonna do it."
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DIETRICH:
I think it's a testament
to Chad Underwood
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and his pilot,
their experience,
their expertise,
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their, their technical acumen
that they were able to launch
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and find it
and bring back FLIR footage.
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UNDERWOOD:
You can see we just
jumped to infrared,
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target is now white
against a black background.
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It's the same picture, it's just
a different kind of polarity.
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I told my pilot I'm like,
"Hey, I'm going to go into
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"every single
field of view, zoom, TV...
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and just try to bring back
as much footage."
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So we pop the tapes in
and take a look
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and every single eyeball
in the room
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was just like
wide-open like, "whoa."
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How do I describe this
to someone
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who's gonna be,
you know, skeptical
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and, and there was kind of
that stigma of like
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"Alright, you saw an alien."
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I'm like, "I didn't say
I saw an alien."
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All I can tell you is
that I couldn't describe it.
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ELIZONDO:
There's a lot more
videos there.
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What we're seeing
on gun-camera footage
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is being validated and verified
by eyewitness testimony,
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which is also being further
substantiated by radar data.
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My intent was
to have this information
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presented to
the Secretary of Defense
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so he could make
an informed decision.
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There are aspects
of this phenomenon
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that definitely belong within
the national security arena.
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Especially if these objects
were over controlled
U.S. airspace.
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That's inherent
government business.
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The boss needed
to see the data,
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and unfortunately
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that information was
not permitted to get to him.
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On a regular, routine basis,
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I was brought up
to the Secretary's suite,
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and I was briefing
his direct reports.
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But they wouldn't bring it
to his attention.
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And I suspect they were trying
to save him from embarrassment,
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because if someone
in the media said,
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"Were you ever
briefed on UFOs?"
he'd have to say yes.
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And so after
several failed attempts
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to brief
the Secretary of Defense,
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I chose to resign.
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Sometimes, if you
want to help the system,
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you have to leave
the very system to do it,
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and that's what
I chose to do.
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My resignation, it wasn't easy.
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It was probably the most
difficult on my family.
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I had given up
a successful career.
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But it's kind of
a code of ethic
with us in government
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that if you can't
fix a problem internally
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then you leave, which is
ultimately what I had to do.
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ZACH:
Leslie interview take one, mark!
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KEAN:
My name is Leslie Kean
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and I'm an investigative
journalist
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and I've been reporting on UFOs
for about 21 years.
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In the fall of 2017,
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I got a call
from a source of mine,
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Chris Mellon, a former
Under Secretary of Defense,
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who was very
interested in UFOs
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and he invited me to a secret
meeting in Washington DC.
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And I eventually
learned that the purpose
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was for me to meet the former
head of an official program
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within the Department of Defense
which was studying UFOs,
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and had been doing
so for 10 years.
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I met Luis Elizondo the day
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after he resigned
from the secret program.
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So this was unbelievable to me.
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There was a program,
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and I was actually about
to meet the person
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who headed up that program.
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It was a big deal.
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It was the biggest moment
of my career as a journalist.
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These are original copies
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from the original negative
of the-- probably the most...
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When I first started
writing about UFOs in 2000,
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I was working at
a public radio station
in Berkeley, California.
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And, suddenly,
this colleague from France
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sent me a report
in the mail.
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The report was called
the COMETA Report
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and I had the only exclusive
English translation.
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What it was was a 90-page
study of official UFO cases
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put together by French
military officials, generals,
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an admiral,
the chief of police.
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What really stunned me
when I read it,
was their conclusion.
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What they said was that
the extraterrestrial hypothesis
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was the most valid, rational,
and logical explanation
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for the UFO cases
that they studied.
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So, I thought this was a huge
story and I thought to myself,
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"What if the equivalent level
of officials in America
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said something like that?"
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Wouldn't that
be front-page news,
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wouldn't that go
all over the world?
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And then I pitched
a story to the Boston Globe ,
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and in May of 2000,
that story came out.
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The response was huge
within the UFO world,
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but what I was surprised
about was that
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there wasn't more response
outside of the people
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who already cared
about this topic.
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And so my goal
in writing about UFOs
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has been mainly to bring
information forward
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to the public.
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But, beyond that,
it's to motivate our government
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to pay attention.
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ELIZONDO:
I commend the media
for tackling this
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because they're, they're putting
a lot at risk as well,
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reporting on this topic.
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KEAN:
Pilots are in a position
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to provide very useful
information to scientists...
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ELIZONDO:
That's how we have
a comprehensive conversation
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with the American people.
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KEAN: I did not walk away
from that meeting
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with Luis Elizondo
carrying anything with me.
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00:19:17,239 --> 00:19:20,989
I was shown
three videos of UFOs.
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And these were official
Department of Defense videos
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that were, without question,
unexplained objects.
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MAN (on radio):
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MAN (on radio):
Oh, okay.
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ELIZONDO:
She ran through the videos,
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and she asked me,
are these authentic?
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And I said, "I can tell you
that the videos are authentic."
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And the only reason
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why I'm telling you this is
because they're unclassified.
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I facilitated the review
process for them
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through the Department
of Defense.
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KEAN: Two of them had
audiotapes of the pilots
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exclaiming about what they
were seeing and their shock
422
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and their awe
and everything else.
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MAN (on radio):
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KEAN: This was just
absolutely stunning to me,
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because there have been
no official videos of UFOs
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released-- I don't think ever,
but certainly not for,
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since way back
in the '50s or '60s.
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And they were official.
That's the thing.
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00:20:13,129 --> 00:20:16,629
They weren't just somebody out
with a cellphone taking a video.
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MAN (on radio):
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ELIZONDO: When you hear
the pilots' reaction to,
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to these encounters,
it's very compelling.
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PILOT: (on radio):
There's a whole fleet of them.
Look on the ASA!
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My gosh!
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ELIZONDO:
They're obviously startled,
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they're obviously
encountering something
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00:20:34,942 --> 00:20:37,362
that they can't explain
and we need to figure out
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what we collectively
are gonna do about it.
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And that's why I resigned
from the Department of Defense.
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KEAN: Luis Elizondo's
letter of resignation
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that he wrote for
the Secretary of Defense,
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00:20:51,083 --> 00:20:52,633
I think that might have
just knocked me out
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almost more
than anything else.
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He explained why he
was resigning this job,
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and it had to do
with his understanding
446
00:21:01,260 --> 00:21:03,640
that UFOs were
a national security concern.
447
00:21:05,764 --> 00:21:07,734
To see that written down,
448
00:21:07,725 --> 00:21:10,185
and the courage that
it took for him to do that,
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it was just incredible.
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ELIZONDO: In order to
understand why I resigned,
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I think you have to go back
to where I came from.
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I come from,
on my father's side,
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00:21:30,206 --> 00:21:31,956
uh, Cuban immigrants.
454
00:21:31,957 --> 00:21:33,747
That's meaningful for me
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00:21:33,751 --> 00:21:38,591
because this country offered
my family opportunities
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00:21:38,589 --> 00:21:40,669
that nobody else would,
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00:21:40,674 --> 00:21:43,644
and so from a very young age,
I've always wanted to,
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to serve the, the country
that gave my family so much.
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You know, ironically, I left
the Department of Defense
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out of loyalty, not disloyalty.
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I left
the Department of Defense
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to finish the very mission
463
00:21:58,943 --> 00:22:00,743
they gave me
in the first place.
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00:22:04,156 --> 00:22:06,276
After reporting
all these years on UFOs,
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there was nothing
that came close
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00:22:08,244 --> 00:22:10,454
to the power
of that particular meeting.
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Once I realized
this was a big story,
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I teamed up with my colleague
Ralph Blumenthal
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00:22:18,212 --> 00:22:20,842
who was a freelance reporter
for the New York Times,
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00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:24,050
and he pitched it
to the head editor.
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I had never reported
for the New York Times before,
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00:22:26,595 --> 00:22:29,305
so I didn't know
what would happen
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00:22:29,306 --> 00:22:32,886
but that's where I felt
this story should go.
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The public has a right to know
about what we're learning
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about this
extraordinary phenomenon.
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COOPER: I think it was
sometime in the fall of 2017,
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my boss, who's
the Washington Bureau Chief,
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walked up to my desk and said,
"Do you wanna write about UFOs?"
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00:22:53,497 --> 00:22:56,077
And we both sort of laughed
and she said
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Leslie Kean had information
about a secret Pentagon program.
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And that was easily,
to me, fascinating.
482
00:23:05,843 --> 00:23:08,183
There's no way I don't
want to write about it.
483
00:23:09,221 --> 00:23:10,761
I'm Helene Cooper.
484
00:23:10,764 --> 00:23:14,774
I'm the Pentagon Correspondent
for the New York Times.
485
00:23:14,768 --> 00:23:18,058
I've been with the paper
since 2004.
486
00:23:18,063 --> 00:23:20,073
You can always tell
a Pentagon reporter
487
00:23:20,065 --> 00:23:23,565
'cause we like to say that's
the best beat in Washington.
488
00:23:23,569 --> 00:23:26,199
You're on aircraft carriers,
you're on fighter jets.
489
00:23:26,196 --> 00:23:29,236
I've been on bombers.
I've been on the B1 and the B2.
490
00:23:29,241 --> 00:23:32,161
You're on naval destroyers
in the South China Sea.
491
00:23:33,162 --> 00:23:34,372
You're never bored.
492
00:23:38,125 --> 00:23:39,995
KEAN:
Once Helene Cooper
was on board,
493
00:23:40,002 --> 00:23:42,632
we set up a meeting up
with Luis Elizondo,
494
00:23:42,630 --> 00:23:45,380
the former head
of the Pentagon Program.
495
00:23:47,259 --> 00:23:49,719
COOPER:
We met up at a hotel
496
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:51,470
somewhere near Capitol Hill.
497
00:23:53,390 --> 00:23:56,730
It started in the afternoon
and ended up in the evening.
498
00:23:56,727 --> 00:23:57,767
ELIZONDO: She made it
very clear that she was,
499
00:23:57,770 --> 00:24:01,110
she was writing this story.
500
00:24:01,106 --> 00:24:03,476
I was a little bit,
to be completely forthcoming,
501
00:24:03,484 --> 00:24:05,284
a little intimidated.
502
00:24:05,277 --> 00:24:07,987
When the New York Times
comes knocking,
503
00:24:07,988 --> 00:24:10,528
that'll get your attention
pretty quickly.
504
00:24:10,532 --> 00:24:14,872
COOPER: He had stacks
of papers and information.
505
00:24:14,870 --> 00:24:17,710
ELIZONDO:
I think they were trying
to get me to confirm,
506
00:24:17,706 --> 00:24:19,876
you know, who was
the sponsor of the program.
507
00:24:19,875 --> 00:24:22,955
COOPER: He told us
that Senator Harry Reid
508
00:24:22,962 --> 00:24:25,422
had put money
in the Pentagon budget
509
00:24:25,422 --> 00:24:27,882
to fund this program.
510
00:24:27,883 --> 00:24:32,643
Leslie, Ralph, and I
all thought that
Harry Reid would deny
511
00:24:32,638 --> 00:24:34,428
that he had put
the money in there.
512
00:24:34,431 --> 00:24:35,891
This was black money,
513
00:24:35,891 --> 00:24:39,731
it was kind of off the books
and so all I wanted
514
00:24:39,728 --> 00:24:44,858
was to nail the fact
that the Pentagon had a UFO,
515
00:24:44,858 --> 00:24:47,188
secret UFO program.
That's all I needed to do.
516
00:24:48,612 --> 00:24:50,492
I'm not trying
to prove that they're UFOs,
517
00:24:50,489 --> 00:24:52,869
I'm not trying to prove
that anybody's visited.
518
00:24:52,866 --> 00:24:54,866
I just wanted to interview
the people
519
00:24:54,868 --> 00:24:57,708
who were involved
in this program
520
00:24:57,705 --> 00:24:59,615
and put them
on the record.
521
00:25:01,792 --> 00:25:04,342
Going to interview
Senator Reid
522
00:25:04,336 --> 00:25:05,746
was a big deal.
523
00:25:05,754 --> 00:25:07,514
We needed him to acknowledge
524
00:25:07,506 --> 00:25:10,126
that he put the money
into the program.
525
00:25:10,134 --> 00:25:11,804
KEAN:
If we didn't have Harry Reid,
526
00:25:11,802 --> 00:25:15,352
we might not have a story.
He was that important.
527
00:25:15,347 --> 00:25:16,717
RALPH BLUMENTHAL:
We didn't know
528
00:25:16,724 --> 00:25:18,684
whether he'd be willing
to go on the record
529
00:25:18,684 --> 00:25:23,694
because this was a very sketchy
field to begin with.
530
00:25:23,689 --> 00:25:25,519
JOHN PODESTA:
You know, most people thought
531
00:25:25,524 --> 00:25:28,444
if you're a senior person
in the government,
532
00:25:28,444 --> 00:25:30,614
it's kind of a career-ender
(laughs)
533
00:25:30,612 --> 00:25:34,582
to say that the government
should actually take seriously
534
00:25:34,575 --> 00:25:38,615
the prospect that unidentified
aerial phenomena might be,
535
00:25:38,620 --> 00:25:40,330
in fact, UFOs.
536
00:25:42,791 --> 00:25:46,041
COOPER:
And so, I flew to Las Vegas
537
00:25:46,044 --> 00:25:49,174
to meet with Senator Reid.
538
00:25:49,173 --> 00:25:50,513
He, like, has this
539
00:25:50,507 --> 00:25:54,137
huge suite of offices
at the Bellagio.
540
00:25:54,136 --> 00:25:57,346
This was gonna be it,
this is my one shot.
541
00:25:57,347 --> 00:26:01,687
And I walked in to talk to him
and he was completely open.
542
00:26:01,685 --> 00:26:05,685
REID: These unidentified
flying phenomenon or objects,
543
00:26:05,689 --> 00:26:08,569
you know, I don't know
what they are.
544
00:26:08,567 --> 00:26:12,237
But we've established one thing:
they exist.
545
00:26:12,237 --> 00:26:15,527
COOPER: In that moment,
you're sitting there
as a reporter.
546
00:26:15,532 --> 00:26:17,872
And your blood
is sort of pounding
547
00:26:17,868 --> 00:26:19,448
because you're
getting the goods.
548
00:26:19,453 --> 00:26:22,333
I was so excited,
it's like I'm writing it down,
549
00:26:22,331 --> 00:26:24,421
and I can't believe
he's telling me this stuff.
550
00:26:26,752 --> 00:26:28,712
REID:
My name is Harry Reid.
551
00:26:28,712 --> 00:26:33,092
I served in the United States
Congress from 1982 to 2017.
552
00:26:35,177 --> 00:26:37,467
I was born and raised
in Searchlight, Nevada.
553
00:26:39,014 --> 00:26:42,354
Which is about 55 miles
here from Las Vegas.
554
00:26:42,351 --> 00:26:44,311
During the time
that I grew up there,
555
00:26:44,311 --> 00:26:46,771
it was a-- mines were gone
556
00:26:46,772 --> 00:26:48,652
and the number-one business
was prostitution.
557
00:26:50,150 --> 00:26:53,820
So, that's the atmosphere
I was raised in.
558
00:26:53,821 --> 00:26:57,531
I can still remember
looking up at the sky
559
00:26:57,533 --> 00:26:59,493
just wondering
what it was all about.
560
00:26:59,493 --> 00:27:02,123
And I always,
always have remembered that.
561
00:27:04,540 --> 00:27:06,040
BLUMENTHAL:
Harry Reid really stood out
562
00:27:06,041 --> 00:27:08,961
because he was one of
the few members of Congress
563
00:27:08,961 --> 00:27:10,671
who were willing to talk
about this issue.
564
00:27:12,673 --> 00:27:17,343
And he had also gotten secret
funds to start this program.
565
00:27:17,344 --> 00:27:19,564
It was a modest amount,
$22 million,
566
00:27:19,555 --> 00:27:21,635
which is a drop in the bucket
of the Pentagon Budget,
567
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:23,560
but it was the first
significant amount of money
568
00:27:23,559 --> 00:27:26,649
to be dedicated
to this issue of UFOs.
569
00:27:26,645 --> 00:27:28,475
REID:
Well, it's interesting,
570
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,480
you know, my staff,
they said in so many words
571
00:27:31,483 --> 00:27:35,613
"Senator, don't get
involved in this.
This is too weird.
572
00:27:35,612 --> 00:27:37,452
It's not gonna
help your career."
573
00:27:39,032 --> 00:27:41,162
MAN:
Ooh, that is so strange.
574
00:27:41,159 --> 00:27:43,619
PODESTA: It didn't tend
to be a topic that,
575
00:27:43,620 --> 00:27:46,330
that members of the House
or members of the Senate
576
00:27:46,331 --> 00:27:50,711
or people in senior positions
in the executive branch
577
00:27:50,711 --> 00:27:53,211
wanted to embrace.
578
00:27:53,213 --> 00:27:56,633
REID:
But I was determined to learn
579
00:27:56,633 --> 00:27:59,053
more about this
and so in spite of
580
00:27:59,052 --> 00:28:01,972
the admonitions for me
to stay the hell away from it,
581
00:28:01,972 --> 00:28:03,642
I went ahead and did it.
582
00:28:04,975 --> 00:28:07,225
CARSON:
Well, God bless Senator Reid.
583
00:28:07,227 --> 00:28:11,817
He was certainly someone
I looked up to and admired.
584
00:28:11,815 --> 00:28:14,645
People want their leaders
and representatives to be bold
585
00:28:14,651 --> 00:28:17,281
and if you're unwilling
to be bold,
586
00:28:17,279 --> 00:28:18,909
then why are you in office?
587
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:25,000
REID: And as I look back
over my involvement in this,
588
00:28:24,995 --> 00:28:27,325
I think,
"What if we hadn't done this?
589
00:28:27,331 --> 00:28:28,921
Where would we be?"
590
00:28:28,916 --> 00:28:32,336
Without the work that we did,
we would be nowhere.
591
00:28:34,046 --> 00:28:36,086
From a scientific standpoint,
592
00:28:36,089 --> 00:28:39,089
technological standpoint,
security of this nation--
593
00:28:39,092 --> 00:28:42,762
these are the reasons we have
to continue looking into this.
594
00:28:42,763 --> 00:28:45,393
MAN (on radio):
Look at that thing!
It's rotating!
595
00:28:51,855 --> 00:28:53,435
COOPER: At the end
of the interview
596
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:54,940
with Senator Reid,
597
00:28:54,942 --> 00:28:56,902
I walked out of the Bellagio
598
00:28:56,902 --> 00:28:59,492
and there's a bridge
from the Bellagio over the Strip
599
00:28:59,488 --> 00:29:02,738
to whatever's on the other side,
and it's a pedestrian bridge.
600
00:29:02,741 --> 00:29:04,621
And I called
Leslie and Ralph,
601
00:29:04,618 --> 00:29:06,158
and they were on the phone
with Luis,
602
00:29:06,161 --> 00:29:08,791
so we're in this
four-way phone call
603
00:29:08,789 --> 00:29:11,499
and I was like,
"He confirmed everything."
604
00:29:11,500 --> 00:29:13,130
KEAN:
Harry Reid had never spoken out
605
00:29:13,126 --> 00:29:14,586
before about this program,
606
00:29:14,586 --> 00:29:16,666
so this was like
the first moment
607
00:29:16,672 --> 00:29:18,512
in which he came out
on the topic.
608
00:29:18,507 --> 00:29:20,217
And that was a big deal.
609
00:29:20,217 --> 00:29:22,257
COOPER:
We were ecstatic because,
610
00:29:22,260 --> 00:29:23,800
that moment,
we knew we had it.
611
00:29:23,804 --> 00:29:26,644
It's like, no matter what
happens next, we have the story.
612
00:29:30,018 --> 00:29:32,518
The lead-up
to the actual publication
613
00:29:32,521 --> 00:29:37,611
of the story on December 17th
was torturous.
614
00:29:37,609 --> 00:29:39,439
Our editors were
constantly saying
615
00:29:39,444 --> 00:29:41,704
make sure we put
skeptics in there,
616
00:29:41,697 --> 00:29:43,777
we put people
challenging this notion.
617
00:29:45,909 --> 00:29:47,789
This caution by our editors
618
00:29:47,786 --> 00:29:50,456
was starting to, naturally,
get on our nerves.
619
00:29:50,455 --> 00:29:51,995
It's like,
run the story already!
620
00:29:51,999 --> 00:29:56,339
We've like dotted
every possible "i" we can dot.
621
00:29:56,336 --> 00:29:57,706
And we knew at this time
622
00:29:57,713 --> 00:30:01,093
that Politico was chasing
the story as well.
623
00:30:03,218 --> 00:30:05,848
It's Saturday morning,
they still haven't
posted the story.
624
00:30:05,846 --> 00:30:09,636
I think it's 11 or 12
and we're hearing from Luis
625
00:30:09,641 --> 00:30:12,851
and from other people
that Politico's about to post
626
00:30:12,853 --> 00:30:14,773
and I am on the phone
with the guy
627
00:30:14,771 --> 00:30:17,071
who's the Saturday
editor going,
628
00:30:17,065 --> 00:30:19,395
"Publish just,
publish already!"
629
00:30:19,401 --> 00:30:21,191
And he's,
he's tinkering around
630
00:30:21,194 --> 00:30:22,864
with "what kind of headline
do we want?" (laughs)
631
00:30:22,863 --> 00:30:24,743
It's just like
"Publish! Publish!"
632
00:30:24,740 --> 00:30:26,870
And he finally
posted the story.
633
00:30:28,827 --> 00:30:31,657
The story is up and I'm like
"Thank God, it's up."
634
00:30:31,663 --> 00:30:34,583
I put my phone in my pocketbook,
I go into Costco,
635
00:30:34,583 --> 00:30:37,923
and I'm buying I don't know
what-- tenderloin for Christmas.
636
00:30:37,919 --> 00:30:40,299
And, I'm in there
for about an hour
637
00:30:40,297 --> 00:30:45,547
and I come back out and my phone
is like, has blown up.
638
00:30:45,552 --> 00:30:48,102
REPORTER 1:
In a striking exposé
published over the weekend,
639
00:30:48,096 --> 00:30:49,596
the New York Times
revealed the existence...
640
00:30:49,598 --> 00:30:50,808
REPORTER 2:
...has confirmed
the existence...
641
00:30:50,807 --> 00:30:52,017
REPORTER 3:
...of the Advanced Aerospace
642
00:30:52,017 --> 00:30:53,557
threat Identification Program.
643
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:54,520
COOPER:
People were calling me
644
00:30:54,519 --> 00:30:55,899
and there were like texts
645
00:30:55,896 --> 00:31:00,026
and it was just like,
the response was huge.
646
00:31:00,025 --> 00:31:01,685
KEAN:
It was a firestorm.
647
00:31:01,693 --> 00:31:03,243
REPORTER 4:
Tens of millions
of dollars for the project
648
00:31:03,236 --> 00:31:04,736
were pushed through...
649
00:31:04,738 --> 00:31:06,658
KEAN:
It was all over the place.
650
00:31:06,656 --> 00:31:07,906
REPORTER 5:
...unveiled the existence
651
00:31:07,908 --> 00:31:10,368
of a real life
X-Files Department.
652
00:31:10,368 --> 00:31:11,498
KEAN:
It was all over the world.
653
00:31:11,495 --> 00:31:13,615
(reporters speaking
Scandinavian)
654
00:31:13,622 --> 00:31:16,752
(reporters speaking French)
655
00:31:16,750 --> 00:31:18,420
KEAN:
It just went like wildfire.
656
00:31:21,505 --> 00:31:24,295
It was a huge deal.
657
00:31:24,299 --> 00:31:26,839
DIRECTOR:
Why do you think it attracted
so much attention?
658
00:31:26,843 --> 00:31:28,143
KEAN:
I think one of the main reasons
659
00:31:28,136 --> 00:31:29,676
it attracted
so much attention
660
00:31:29,679 --> 00:31:32,269
was because of those
two videos that we included.
661
00:31:32,265 --> 00:31:33,805
MAN (on radio):
They're all going
against the wind.
662
00:31:33,809 --> 00:31:35,689
The wind is
120 knots to the west.
663
00:31:35,685 --> 00:31:37,395
Look at that thing, dude!
664
00:31:37,395 --> 00:31:39,305
KEAN:
I mean, there's nothing
like watching
665
00:31:39,314 --> 00:31:41,444
a video of a UFO for people.
666
00:31:43,193 --> 00:31:45,653
BLUMENTHAL: Those videos
garnered tremendous views,
667
00:31:45,654 --> 00:31:50,244
among the most-watched videos
the Times had ever put up.
668
00:31:50,242 --> 00:31:52,042
COOPER:
So the response was, was huge,
669
00:31:52,035 --> 00:31:55,405
but that was when
I started to realize
670
00:31:55,413 --> 00:32:01,173
just how intense the people
who care about this are,
671
00:32:01,169 --> 00:32:06,419
and just also how equally
intense the skeptics are.
672
00:32:06,424 --> 00:32:08,264
NEIL DEGRASSE-TYSON:
I'm content saying,
that's mysterious.
673
00:32:08,260 --> 00:32:11,050
I don't know,
maybe it's a glitch in the,
in the hardware.
674
00:32:11,054 --> 00:32:13,104
And if you're going to say,
"No, it's not a glitch
in the hardware,"
675
00:32:13,098 --> 00:32:14,388
are you really sure?
676
00:32:15,142 --> 00:32:17,102
MAN (on radio):
677
00:32:19,312 --> 00:32:21,312
SETH SHOSTAK:
For the navy videos,
678
00:32:21,314 --> 00:32:23,404
there are in fact
explanations
679
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,780
that involve nothing more
complex than commercial aircraft
680
00:32:26,778 --> 00:32:29,608
or balloons
or things like that.
681
00:32:29,614 --> 00:32:33,124
It doesn't mean they're
necessarily alien craft.
682
00:32:33,118 --> 00:32:34,948
I think that the assumption
683
00:32:34,953 --> 00:32:38,213
that we're being visited
fails on the evidence of it.
684
00:32:38,206 --> 00:32:40,706
But it's not that
it's impossible.
685
00:32:40,709 --> 00:32:43,669
It's just from
my point of view so difficult
686
00:32:43,670 --> 00:32:46,510
to go from one star system
to another.
687
00:32:46,506 --> 00:32:51,216
I think that it's unlikely
these are alien craft.
688
00:32:51,219 --> 00:32:53,759
DEGRASSE-TYSON:
The universe brims
with mysteries.
689
00:32:53,763 --> 00:32:56,853
And we so want many
of those mysteries
690
00:32:56,850 --> 00:32:59,350
to be a light in the sky
you don't understand,
691
00:32:59,352 --> 00:33:03,402
gee, I want that
to be aliens visiting us.
692
00:33:03,398 --> 00:33:05,188
But for a skeptical scientist,
693
00:33:05,192 --> 00:33:07,862
that would probably be
the last explanation.
694
00:33:09,738 --> 00:33:12,278
KEAN: The skeptics had
two major points of focus
695
00:33:12,282 --> 00:33:13,782
after our story came out.
696
00:33:13,783 --> 00:33:15,793
One of them was on the videos
697
00:33:15,785 --> 00:33:17,745
because they didn't
necessarily believe
698
00:33:17,746 --> 00:33:21,536
that those videos showed some
kind of anomalous object.
699
00:33:21,541 --> 00:33:24,041
They thought
they could be explained.
700
00:33:24,044 --> 00:33:25,844
The second point
is the skepticism
701
00:33:25,837 --> 00:33:28,797
about these being
extraterrestrial craft
702
00:33:28,798 --> 00:33:32,638
which personally to me is,
is a sort of a disconnect
703
00:33:32,636 --> 00:33:35,306
because we, we're not saying
that they're extraterrestrial.
704
00:33:35,305 --> 00:33:36,925
We're just saying
we can't explain them.
705
00:33:40,518 --> 00:33:43,018
ELIZONDO: Now, I don't mind
someone being skeptical.
706
00:33:43,021 --> 00:33:46,021
I think healthy skepticism
is important.
707
00:33:46,024 --> 00:33:48,404
In the same weird sort of way,
708
00:33:48,401 --> 00:33:51,111
skeptics are really
no different than believers.
709
00:33:51,112 --> 00:33:53,952
They're just on the opposite
end of the argument.
710
00:33:53,949 --> 00:33:55,869
At the end of the day,
711
00:33:55,867 --> 00:33:58,247
data is what is going
to determine
712
00:33:58,245 --> 00:34:00,115
the validity of something.
713
00:34:02,165 --> 00:34:03,955
DERRICK PITTS:
Well, if humanity
wants to understand
714
00:34:03,959 --> 00:34:06,129
what is causing
this phenomenon,
715
00:34:06,127 --> 00:34:08,707
then we need to do
real scientific study
716
00:34:08,713 --> 00:34:11,093
and that means we need
to collect data.
717
00:34:11,091 --> 00:34:14,181
We need to analyze
that data and understand
718
00:34:14,177 --> 00:34:16,927
how it might be possible
for that phenomenon
719
00:34:16,930 --> 00:34:19,810
to fit within
the laws of physics.
720
00:34:19,808 --> 00:34:22,228
ELIZONDO:
Now watch the way
this thing starts to turn.
721
00:34:22,227 --> 00:34:24,347
PITTS:
But we can't speculate
about what it is.
722
00:34:24,354 --> 00:34:26,314
We can't just imagine
what it is.
723
00:34:26,314 --> 00:34:30,694
ELIZONDO:
You're looking between 20
and 25,000 feet in altitude
724
00:34:30,694 --> 00:34:34,574
and this thing, when it
turns sideways, doesn't go down.
725
00:34:34,572 --> 00:34:36,782
PITTS:
We need real, hard data.
726
00:34:36,783 --> 00:34:40,163
UNDERWOOD:
This 99.9 and range 99,
727
00:34:40,161 --> 00:34:42,001
uh, those are indications
that my radar
728
00:34:41,997 --> 00:34:43,207
is receiving jamming cues.
729
00:34:44,582 --> 00:34:47,092
PITTS:
It's possible
that these objects
730
00:34:47,085 --> 00:34:50,005
represent a threat
to the United States.
731
00:34:50,005 --> 00:34:51,795
MELLON:
It's behaving in strange ways.
732
00:34:51,798 --> 00:34:53,048
It has an aura around it.
733
00:34:53,049 --> 00:34:54,429
PITTS:
Then we need to know
734
00:34:54,426 --> 00:34:55,586
exactly what they are,
735
00:34:55,593 --> 00:34:57,973
so that we can
respond accordingly.
736
00:34:57,971 --> 00:35:01,601
And so, I think it's extremely
important for us
737
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:03,890
to understand
unidentified aerial phenomenon.
738
00:35:08,690 --> 00:35:10,070
KEAN:
After the New York Times story
739
00:35:10,066 --> 00:35:12,776
was blasted out on the internet
on a Saturday,
740
00:35:12,777 --> 00:35:14,987
the story ended up
on the front page
741
00:35:14,988 --> 00:35:17,738
of the Sunday New York Times.
742
00:35:17,741 --> 00:35:19,871
And then it was
a whole inside page
743
00:35:19,868 --> 00:35:22,198
when you opened it up,
so it was a long piece.
744
00:35:23,622 --> 00:35:26,542
During all the years
I'd covered UFOs,
745
00:35:26,541 --> 00:35:28,881
I had access
to some newspapers,
746
00:35:28,877 --> 00:35:32,917
but they weren't at the caliber
of the New York Times.
747
00:35:32,922 --> 00:35:37,722
And so to see
a story on the front page
of that newspaper
748
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:39,469
just meant everything to me.
749
00:35:39,471 --> 00:35:41,601
STERN: Did you know it was
going to be on the front page?
750
00:35:41,598 --> 00:35:42,718
ELIZONDO:
No (laughs).
751
00:35:42,724 --> 00:35:43,854
No, I did not know
752
00:35:43,850 --> 00:35:46,230
it was gonna be
on the front page.
753
00:35:46,227 --> 00:35:47,847
It was, um...
754
00:35:49,939 --> 00:35:52,229
wow, looking back,
it's a little pr--
755
00:35:52,233 --> 00:35:54,193
I haven't thought about that
in a long time.
756
00:35:54,194 --> 00:35:57,324
Uh, it was profound.
757
00:35:57,322 --> 00:35:58,702
KEAN:
Not only had
the New York Times
758
00:35:58,698 --> 00:36:00,698
rarely covered
UFOs at all,
759
00:36:00,700 --> 00:36:03,790
and when they had, they were
usually kind of ridiculing it.
760
00:36:05,455 --> 00:36:07,955
PODESTA: It's really
the fodder more for late night
761
00:36:07,957 --> 00:36:11,587
talk shows than it is
for front-page reporting.
762
00:36:11,586 --> 00:36:13,756
JIMMY KIMMEL: We are back
with President Bush.
763
00:36:13,755 --> 00:36:16,335
Did you go
through the secret files,
764
00:36:16,341 --> 00:36:17,631
the UFO documents?
765
00:36:17,634 --> 00:36:18,974
(laughter)
766
00:36:18,968 --> 00:36:20,298
GEORGE W. BUSH:
I'm not telling you nothin'.
767
00:36:20,303 --> 00:36:22,103
(laughter)
768
00:36:22,097 --> 00:36:23,467
BARACK OBAMA:
When it comes to aliens,
769
00:36:23,473 --> 00:36:26,433
there's some things
I just can't tell you on-air.
770
00:36:26,434 --> 00:36:27,644
JAMES CORDON:
But you'll tell us off-air?
771
00:36:27,644 --> 00:36:29,314
Great! (laughter)
772
00:36:31,439 --> 00:36:33,529
PODESTA:
But the New York Times piece,
773
00:36:33,525 --> 00:36:38,145
it kinda opened up that
you could treat this seriously.
774
00:36:39,906 --> 00:36:43,196
FRAVOR:
What it did is it removed
775
00:36:43,201 --> 00:36:47,371
a lot of the stigma that was
attached to the UFO world.
776
00:36:47,372 --> 00:36:51,002
Now, instead of looking
at it as a joke,
777
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,250
we can start looking
at these objects
778
00:36:53,253 --> 00:36:54,753
from a scientific standpoint.
779
00:36:54,754 --> 00:36:56,674
DIETRICH:
We can gather the information,
780
00:36:56,673 --> 00:36:59,433
we can gather the data
and then have experts
781
00:36:59,426 --> 00:37:03,636
who are qualified, analyze
it in a systematic way.
782
00:37:03,638 --> 00:37:05,518
And so that's why
I think it's important
783
00:37:05,515 --> 00:37:08,135
to destigmatize the issue.
784
00:37:09,728 --> 00:37:11,768
REID: One reason
that article was so compelling
785
00:37:11,771 --> 00:37:16,361
and so good is that it was
just very factual
786
00:37:16,359 --> 00:37:18,239
based on scientific evidence
787
00:37:18,236 --> 00:37:20,156
and I think that was
the beginning of the,
788
00:37:20,155 --> 00:37:21,405
having the American people
789
00:37:21,406 --> 00:37:23,656
and probably the world
take a look at this,
790
00:37:23,658 --> 00:37:26,448
these areas of
Unidentified Flying Objects
791
00:37:26,453 --> 00:37:29,503
more intensely
than they had before.
792
00:37:29,497 --> 00:37:31,287
KEAN:
So the New York Times article
793
00:37:31,291 --> 00:37:33,921
generated a lot
of questions among people.
794
00:37:35,044 --> 00:37:36,634
"Whoa," you know?
795
00:37:36,629 --> 00:37:37,959
They're studying these objects
796
00:37:37,964 --> 00:37:39,724
and we don't know
what they are?
797
00:37:39,716 --> 00:37:41,466
Where, where's all
the intelligence data?
798
00:37:41,468 --> 00:37:43,598
How come we didn't
know anything?
799
00:37:43,595 --> 00:37:46,175
And they demonstrate technology
that we don't seem to have?
800
00:37:46,181 --> 00:37:48,271
And we didn't even
know about this?
801
00:37:50,894 --> 00:37:52,734
PITTS: There's no doubt
that there are objects
802
00:37:52,729 --> 00:37:54,309
that are seen
that behave in ways
803
00:37:54,314 --> 00:37:56,654
that are not natural
for this planet
804
00:37:56,649 --> 00:37:59,319
or for this environment.
805
00:37:59,319 --> 00:38:02,109
This is a phenomenon
we do not yet understand.
806
00:38:05,283 --> 00:38:07,743
There's nothing wrong with us
not understanding it,
807
00:38:07,744 --> 00:38:09,204
there are many things
in the Universe
808
00:38:09,204 --> 00:38:10,664
that we do
not understand.
809
00:38:10,663 --> 00:38:15,503
But it asks us, to investigate,
to learn more,
810
00:38:15,502 --> 00:38:18,712
just as we'd wanna learn more
about any of the stars
811
00:38:18,713 --> 00:38:21,803
or galaxies
we see in the Universe.
812
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:23,220
Any of the new creatures
we find
813
00:38:23,218 --> 00:38:26,508
at the bottom of our oceans
here on this planet,
814
00:38:26,513 --> 00:38:28,523
we wanna learn
more about this too.
815
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:32,520
MELLON:
My hope is that
816
00:38:32,519 --> 00:38:36,439
we will use
the U.S. intelligence community
817
00:38:36,439 --> 00:38:39,359
to solve this mystery
once and for all,
818
00:38:39,359 --> 00:38:42,029
to find out, where
are they coming from?
819
00:38:42,028 --> 00:38:45,528
Who's behind them?
What is the agenda?
820
00:38:45,532 --> 00:38:49,582
We have the means
and the capability to do that
821
00:38:49,577 --> 00:38:51,997
if we set our minds
to it as a nation.
822
00:38:51,996 --> 00:38:53,956
PITTS:
Unfortunately,
823
00:38:53,957 --> 00:38:56,077
the government has been
pretty secretive
824
00:38:56,084 --> 00:38:59,214
about providing hard data
to better understand
825
00:38:59,212 --> 00:39:01,132
what this phenomenon
might be.
826
00:39:03,258 --> 00:39:07,468
So, right now, what we still
have is a lot of speculation,
827
00:39:07,470 --> 00:39:12,810
a lot of "what ifs,"
and no hard information.
828
00:39:12,809 --> 00:39:14,639
KEAN: The biggest question
that remains for me is,
829
00:39:14,644 --> 00:39:18,024
what else do they have
inside the government?
830
00:39:18,022 --> 00:39:21,942
What do they actually
know about UFOs?
831
00:39:21,943 --> 00:39:24,823
And why can't more be released
to the public?
832
00:39:26,322 --> 00:39:28,282
ELIZONDO:
And this is a, a big question
833
00:39:28,283 --> 00:39:30,203
because we spent so long
834
00:39:30,201 --> 00:39:33,041
obfuscating the truth
about this topic,
835
00:39:33,037 --> 00:39:35,287
that we've somewhat backed
ourselves into a corner,
836
00:39:35,290 --> 00:39:37,960
a corner for over 70 years.
837
00:39:37,959 --> 00:39:39,499
REPORTER: Mr. Secretary,
there have been charges
838
00:39:39,502 --> 00:39:42,462
that the Air Force for reasons
best known to the Air Force
839
00:39:42,463 --> 00:39:44,673
is hiding something
in the UFO field.
840
00:39:44,674 --> 00:39:47,184
What is that, if anything?
841
00:39:47,176 --> 00:39:48,336
ELIZONDO:
And I do not think
842
00:39:48,344 --> 00:39:50,934
this is a conversation
like fine wine
843
00:39:50,930 --> 00:39:53,770
where the longer
we keep a cork on it,
the better it gets.
844
00:39:53,766 --> 00:39:56,596
I think this is a conversation
more like rotten vegetables
845
00:39:56,603 --> 00:39:57,653
in the refrigerator,
846
00:39:57,645 --> 00:39:59,225
and the longer
we don't address it,
847
00:39:59,230 --> 00:40:01,520
the more it's gonna
start to smell.
848
00:40:01,524 --> 00:40:04,324
TACKER:
There is nothing
in Air Force files
849
00:40:04,319 --> 00:40:06,029
that come to a conclusion
850
00:40:06,029 --> 00:40:09,119
that spaceships
have visited the Earth.
851
00:40:10,700 --> 00:40:14,080
COOPER: I assume
that the secrecy is just because
852
00:40:14,078 --> 00:40:16,618
that is what they do
in the government.
853
00:40:16,623 --> 00:40:18,123
There's so many programs
854
00:40:18,124 --> 00:40:20,884
going on in that building
that they don't talk about.
855
00:40:20,877 --> 00:40:22,667
You know,
they classify everything.
856
00:40:22,670 --> 00:40:27,430
It just adds to
the mysteriousness of it.
857
00:40:27,425 --> 00:40:29,885
GILLIBRAND:
We should never be afraid
of what we don't know.
858
00:40:29,886 --> 00:40:32,466
That is an absurd reaction.
859
00:40:32,472 --> 00:40:33,812
UNDERWOOD:
The target is 3 degrees
860
00:40:33,806 --> 00:40:35,266
to the left of my nose
861
00:40:35,266 --> 00:40:38,596
and it's 5 degrees
below my nose.
862
00:40:38,603 --> 00:40:42,153
GILLIBRAND: Not knowing is
where you start your inquiry.
863
00:40:42,148 --> 00:40:44,648
DIETRICH:
So, we were operating in
and around these waters,
864
00:40:44,651 --> 00:40:46,191
off the coast.
865
00:40:46,194 --> 00:40:48,994
GILLIBRAND: It doesn't mean
it's where you end your inquiry.
866
00:40:48,988 --> 00:40:51,028
And that's where I think
the U.S. Military,
867
00:40:51,032 --> 00:40:53,532
if they haven't been
doing the work, is mistaken.
868
00:40:59,624 --> 00:41:01,794
WITNESS 1:
Oh, my God!
869
00:41:01,793 --> 00:41:03,383
WITNESS 2:
Don't look like no plane!
870
00:41:03,378 --> 00:41:06,798
Don't look like no helicopter.
What the (bleep) is it?
871
00:41:06,798 --> 00:41:11,138
MARK ROD: UFO sightings burst
into the news in 1947.
872
00:41:11,135 --> 00:41:13,715
KEAN : These sightings
have continued ever since.
873
00:41:13,721 --> 00:41:15,311
MAN 1:
The Air Force made the effort
874
00:41:15,306 --> 00:41:18,726
to clear the air
about the phenomenon.
875
00:41:18,726 --> 00:41:22,056
MAN 2:
There's nothing to hide at all.
876
00:41:22,063 --> 00:41:25,233
MELLON: I was stunned that
we didn't have the integrity
877
00:41:25,233 --> 00:41:27,323
to pursue this.
878
00:41:27,318 --> 00:41:30,318
ROD: The U.S. government
closed its study of UFOs.
879
00:41:30,321 --> 00:41:32,491
KEAN: And so the work
fell into the hands
880
00:41:32,490 --> 00:41:33,910
of civilian groups.
881
00:41:33,908 --> 00:41:36,658
HYNEK: UFO reports
not only exist but persist.
882
00:41:36,661 --> 00:41:38,791
MAN 3:
I mean, it's a definite UFO.
883
00:41:38,788 --> 00:41:40,958
KEAN: The government
owes it to this country
884
00:41:40,957 --> 00:41:44,287
to investigate sightings
of extraordinary objects.
885
00:41:44,293 --> 00:41:46,133
MAN 4: It covered
the whole entire sky.
886
00:41:46,129 --> 00:41:49,629
CARSON: People want to know,
is this otherworldly?
887
00:41:49,632 --> 00:41:53,262
KAKU: This could be
one of the biggest events
in all of human history.
888
00:41:53,261 --> 00:41:55,301
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