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Carole Gold was really
a pioneer, being one of
the first Playboy Bunnies.
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A Bunny in the 1960s
made great money...
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...and we were like rockstars.
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Playboy can give you
the taste of the high life...
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...but that doesn't
last forever.
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She just blew through
all the money
and one day woke up
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and realized
there was nothing left.
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Chuck said to Carole that
if she didn't back him up,
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he was gonna divorce her.
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She says she knew
she was paying
$75 a month into something,
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but didn't really know what.
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[Pat LaLama] Just
a few minutes
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into his conversation
with detectives,
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he realizes,
"Oh, wait a minute.
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This is about a murder."
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That was the beginning
of my worst nightmare.
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[Briana Whitney] Police get
a call over the radio.
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A woman had called 911
saying her husband
had been shot.
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So they rush over.
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They get there.
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51-year-old Chuck Gold
was found dead and murdered
inside his home.
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We have an apparent homicide.
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Mr. Gold expired from
multiple gunshot wounds.
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We were told he'd
been discovered
by his wife, Carole.
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Carole Gold was 53 years old
when her husband, Chuck,
was found brutally murdered.
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It's a dramatic turn
in the life of woman who
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just decades ago was
on a very different path...
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...working as
a Playboy Bunny...
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...experiencing this
glamorous lifestyle,
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and making more money
than she ever
thought possible.
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Carole was involved with
the Playboy company
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at a very early stage
in the early 60s.
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Back then, the magazine
looked very homemade,
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cut and paste.
It wasn't, like, the glossy,
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lavish thing that people saw
in decades later.
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Hef started Playboy
when he was 27 years old.
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He started HMH Publishing
at the same time.
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HMH Publishing
is his initials,
Hugh Marston Hefner,
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and he just started
that publishing company
to do Playboy.
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The first issue came out
in December of 1953.
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He didn't put a volume number
on the first issue,
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because he wasn't sure
if there'd be a second one.
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The first nude pictorial
inPlayboy
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was a photo of Marilyn Monroe,
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and that feature would
go on to become
the centerfold feature.
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There really wasn't anything
likePlayboy at the time.
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There were nude magazines,
but they were all
pretty down scale.
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So, he wanted to do
something different.
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ThePlayboy lifestyle
was supposed to be
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an aspirational, upscale,
men's kind of
fantasy lifestyle.
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[Whitney] Carole
was from Chicago,
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and in 1955, she was model
in her teenage years.
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She did a lot of magazines
and commercials
and things like that.
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And so, that's kind of
how her life started
in the public eye.
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And when Carole
was only 15 years old,
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she had a friend who worked
nearby HMH Publishing.
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And her friend thought,
"Hey, Carole, maybe
you can get a job there."
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[Mitzi] Carole was
in a Catholic school,
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And the Catholic priest
had to prove anybody
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that wanted to work
a job outside of school,
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and he approved it
because it was just
a publishing company.
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He didn't understand that
HMH meant Hugh M. Hefner.
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[Whitney] Carole meets
with an executive
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who really, really
liked her at the time,
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and he hires her on the spot.
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[Madison] The very
first Playboy Club
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opened in Chicago on
February 29, in 1960.
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It was an upscale place
for men to go.
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It was a private club.
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You know, you could
have lunch or dinner
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and see great entertainment.
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And of course
the women were wearing
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the Bunny costume,
which became very famous.
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The Playboy Bunnies
were the hostesses
and waitresses
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that worked at
the Playboy Club,
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and they wore the very famous
skimpy outfit...
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...which is basically
just a corset with tights.
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The Bunny costume was based
on the Playboymascot,
which is a rabbit.
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When Hef first
started the magazine,
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he decided on the rabbit
as a symbol and a logo
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because rabbits
are very playful animals
and they have a lot of sex.
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This is my
Playboy Bunny picture.
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This is from Chicago.
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That was a really great job.
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Definition of a Bunny
in the 1960s
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was the girl next store,
but somebody that
was sexy and beautiful.
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A Bunny in the 1960s
made great money...
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...and we were like rockstars.
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The money we made
definitely was life-changing.
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In Chicago,
we made more money.
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There was more celebrities
that came to the Chicago club.
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We met everybody and usually
would have 'em sign our cuffs.
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[Madison] Carole started off
as a switchboard operator
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in Playboy'sfirst offices.
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[Diana] They used
Carole as a fit Bunny
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in order to design
the original costume
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that the girls wore
in the 1960s
when the club opened.
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And then she became
a Bunny after that.
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She was really a pioneer,
being one of
the first Bunnies.
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This would have been
a very unique experience
for anyone,
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but for somebody
who was coming from
a Catholic school background,
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that just must have
been something
completely different
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because at the time,
there was nothing like
the Playboy Club.
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[Mitzi] Carole helped
supervise other bunnies
and private parties.
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And she was always kind.
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She was easy to work for.
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And if you stepped off line,
she told you.
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She was supervising
a get together.
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Frank Sinatra and some
of his friends were there.
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And Mr. Sinatra asked her,
"Well, who are you?"
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And she said,
"May I get you something?"
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And he goes, "Well, no,
I just want to know you are.
You can sit and talk to me."
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And said, "Mr. Sinatra,
I'd absolutely love to,
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and I think you're amazing,
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but I have to take care
of everything here."
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[Madison] The club
was definitely an introduction
to the good life for Carole,
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and showed her
what was possible, you know,
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you have all these
wealthy clients coming in.
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I think Carole probably
got used to the money
and the lifestyle.
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It's a very easy
thing to get used to
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and, like, want for
the rest of your life.
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While Carole was working
as a Playboy Bunny,
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she also put herself
through School.
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She became a teacher
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and taught eighth grade
at a Catholic school.
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It's so crazy that she was
a Catholic school teacher
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by day and a Playboy Bunny
at night.
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During this time,
she met an engineering student
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named Kenny Cottini
and they got married.
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Carole's at the Playboy Club
for five years
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before she and Kenny
end up moving to
Lake Geneva, Wisconsin,
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where they work
at horse stables.
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That's when tragedy struck.
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Kenny died shortly
after a riding accident.
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I believe he was running
barrels at a horse show...
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...and he slipped.
He fell out of his saddle
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and never regained
consciousness.
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[Whitney] Kenny's passing
not only left Carole
as a widow,
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but she was taking care
of their daughter
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and their newborn son,
who was born
in that same year.
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Carole was busy
working at the stable
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and raising to two kids
when she reconnected
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with a childhood friend,
Chuck Gold.
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Like Carole, Chuck
also had two kids.
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[Stephanie] My relationship
with my dad in
my earlier years was...
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...sporadic.
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Um, my parents were
divorced before I was two,
they were separated.
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My mother and I lived
with her parents,
my grandparents.
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[Whitney] Chuck
and Carole start dating.
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And that was in 1977.
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About a year later,
they were off to Las Vegas
to get married.
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She used her Playboy
connections to get them set up
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at the Lake Geneva
Playboy resort.
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The Lake Geneva Playboy Resort
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was the very first
Playboy Resort.
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An off-shoot of
the Playboy Club,
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kind of a bigger,
better experience.
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And it was a very
modern establishment.
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They had ski trails.
They had golf courses.
They had stables.
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It was just this amazing,
huge retreat.
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Carole loved horses,
and she and Chuck
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went on to open
their own stable
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at the Playboy Club,
Lake Geneva.
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It was a huge deal.
I mean, if you're gonna
run a horse stable,
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what better place than
at a luxury resort
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with all these
wealthy customers?
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[Stephanie] Carole
was very good for my father.
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They had a really
great dynamic.
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They worked well together.
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They would ride together,
they would do all kinds
of things together.
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By the summer of '82,
my father and Carole
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knew that they were
gonna leave Lake Geneva.
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The main reason for the move
was the winters were just
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too much for everybody,
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and they had decided
that Arizona was where
they wanted to be.
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[Madison] Carole and Chuck
moved to Arizona
with Carole's children,
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Her daughter, Alison,
and her son, Ashton.
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The family settled into
running the stables
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at Point Hilton Resort
at Tapatio Cliffs.
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Chuck Gold had a business
where they would do
gunfight re-enactments
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at, um, some of
the high-end hotels
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here in the valley
at the time.
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He was known to
a lot of people as Black Bart.
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The original Black Bart
was, uh, a gunslinger from,
like, the 1880s.
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[Stephanie] My dad
is the personality.
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My dad would bring people in.
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And he'd be dressed
as Black Bart,
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and people would just
get a kick out of it.
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And Carole was the person
responsible for all of the,
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the accounting
and paying the bills
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and doing all of that stuff.
That was Carole's role.
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[Mitzi] By 1992, cashflow was
not an issue at that stable.
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They had a going business.
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And that was without Chuck.
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And I can imagine
when you add in
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the gunfight shows
and the things that he did...
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...they were doing quite well.
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They have
this idyllic lifestyle.
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You know, it could have
been a fairy tale life.
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But it all changed on
the night of October 20th.
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[gunshots]
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[Stephanie] Dad and Carole
were married in
December of '78.
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They would have been
married 14 years
in December of '92,
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when he was killed.
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On October 20, 1992,
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Carole Gold had been
at dinner with
her daughter, Alison.
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And from there, they ended up
going back to Alison's house,
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where they watched
some movies.
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[Petrosino] Chuck Gold
was supposed to be
at a conference,
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and at some point,
he had called
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and said that he
was on his way home.
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And then Carole decided
to go home.
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And when she came
home around 10:30,
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she walked into their house
and found Chuck
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shot dead in their kitchen.
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That's when she called 911.
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[phone ringing]
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[Stephanie] Got a phone call,
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and it was Richard Feingold
on the other end of the call.
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Richard was my dad's friend.
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He goes...
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..."Your dad's dead."
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And I made him
repeat it three times.
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And I went...
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..."I don't understand."
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And he said, "Your dad
was shot tonight...
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...and that's all I know."
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And I just...
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...lost it.
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That was the beginning
of my worst nightmare.
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[Whitney] Chuck Gold
was bleeding from the head,
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with eight .22 caliber
bullet casings
surrounding his body.
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I was assigned
the crime scene.
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The scene is processed.
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The front door was locked.
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There was no sign
of a break-in.
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I walked around and looked
at different things,
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and I discovered that one of
the back doors is unlocked.
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The back door should
be locked, and it's not.
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Your first thought is is that,
"Well, maybe it's
a burglary gone bad."
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If that's the case,
you'll normally see
things disturbed.
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But none of that
appeared to be the case.
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[Whitney] The lead detective
pulls Carole outside,
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starts kind of asking
her about everything.
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Carole tells detectives
that they had
a really good relationship,
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that things were
going well for them.
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[Petrosino] Carole indicated
that in the past,
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Chuck had engaged in
extra-marital contact.
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But that they
had gotten past it.
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[Madison] It must have been
really difficult for Carole
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because she was, you know,
a Playboy Bunny.
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She was one of
the people to usher in
the Sexual Revolution,
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and then to be
married later in life
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and your partner's unfaithful,
it must have been hard.
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Detectives went on their
search for information,
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by going and talking
to everybody that
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would have had some knowledge
of what was going on
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in the Gold household...
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...or the business.
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One of the first people
the detectives reach out to
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is Chuck's close friend,
Richard Feingold.
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[Petrosino] Mr. Feingold,
uh, indicated that
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Chuck could be
hard to get along with,
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and he might have
a lot of enemies.
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[Whitney] Richard also
tells the detective
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that a number of years ago,
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Chuck had been
in a relationship
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with a woman who worked
at the horse stables
named Linda.
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And the two were
very happy together.
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The story was is that Chuck
was going to divorce Carole...
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...and live with
or marry Linda
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when the divorce was final.
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There's information that
Linda lived in the house
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at some period of time.
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But for whatever reason,
Chuck ended the relationship.
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[Stephanie] This was around
October of '91.
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I knew that my father
had affairs.
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I knew that Carole
knew about 'em.
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I believe Carole had affairs,
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and I'm sure that
my father knew about 'em.
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I don't necessarily know that
I would call it unfaithful...
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...because I think they knew,
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'cause that was
just their dynamic.
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[Whitney] Detectives go on
to interview other employees
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at the horse stables
and one them has a story
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that Carole had
a 14-year-old grandson
named Ronnie.
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That was Alison's son.
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And at some point,
Ronnie was staying
with Chuck and Carole
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because Carole's daughter,
Alison, was out of town.
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[Petrosino] Chuck expected
Ronnie to do work
at the stables.
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[Whitney] Ronnie
didn't want to.
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He wanted to go
hang out with his girlfriend.
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He had no plans of
going to the stables
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[Petrosino] He allegedly
told Chuck, "Well,
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I'm gonna be at
my girlfriend's house."
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And Chuck said,
"Get to the stables."
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He didn't get there.
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[Whitney] And that made
Chuck really angry.
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And Chuck went off...
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...and he told him that
he wanted him gone.
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He didn't want Ronnie
at the house anymore.
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Stable hands at the resort
said they saw Chuck and Ronnie
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arguing loudly
over the incident.
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As a result, Ronnie ran away.
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And this all took place
just a week before
Chuck's murder.
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[Petrosino] There's some
information that Carole Gold's
grandson, Ronnie,
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had had prior run-ins
or contacts with
the police department.
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[Whitney] Ronnie was known
for having a bit of a temper.
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Ultimately, investigators
find out that Ronnie
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was with his girlfriend
at the time that Chuck
was murdered.
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He was at school the next day,
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and he didn't even know
that Chuck was killed
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until he was pulled
out of school.
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Detectives also learn that
in the weeks leading up to
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Chuck Gold's murder,
he was in a real duke out
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with another guy,
and that happens to be
Ashton, Carole's son.
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[Stephanie] Ashton was 20
and lived with
my dad and Carole.
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He was always very quiet.
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I think he was also
very resentful
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because he resented
having to do any of
the work at the stables.
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We found out that Ashton,
uh, had a history of abusing,
uh, hard drugs.
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Ashton apparently got
hooked on an opioid...
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...and owed people money
for, for drugs that
he allegedly bought.
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Ashton was addicted to
a drug called Nubain.
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00:20:22,270 --> 00:20:24,770
And he was taking it,
I guess, to work out.
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And it was some sort
of steroid that
helped him pump up.
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And Dad told me that Ashton
had got caught
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smoking weed at the stables.
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I think that was
the final straw for my dad
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and really pissed him off.
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He was livid because
it was their livelihood.
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And marijuana
wasn't legal then.
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So, the though that
they could've lost
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their contract with the resort
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was first and forefront
in his mind.
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One of my last conversations
with my dad,
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we talked about Ashton
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and that things were
getting complicated,
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and that he didn't know
how much longer
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it was gonna be able
to stay the way things were.
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[Whitney] Chuck had
reached his breaking point
with Ashton
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and decided it would be best
if he just kicked him
out of the house.
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Knowing this information
that Ashton and Chuck
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had had this big disagreement,
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detectives go
and question Ashton,
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who tells them that
they had smoothed things over.
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It wasn't that big of a deal,
everything was fine.
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[Petrosino] Ashton had
an alibi for that night.
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He was with his girlfriend
somewhere in public.
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And there were other people
that verified it.
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[telephone ringing]
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[Petrosino]
But detectives get a call
from a family member
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who said that Ashton was out
looking at new Cadillacs.
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00:22:01,910 --> 00:22:05,000
And, uh, the family member
found something
wrong with that.
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00:22:06,130 --> 00:22:09,220
Chuck has been dead
two weeks, and now,
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00:22:09,420 --> 00:22:12,480
Carole's son is out there
looking at new cars.
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So, two weeks
after the murder,
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on November 5th of '92,
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the detective goes back
and questions Carole.
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When detectives
brought up Ashton
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and supposedly, this fight,
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she talked about the fact
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00:22:35,010 --> 00:22:37,890
that Ashton had been
abusing some drugs.
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Chuck said to Carole that
if she didn't back him up
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and get rid of Ashton
from the house...
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...he was gonna divorce her.
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00:22:51,550 --> 00:22:53,910
But she believed that
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00:22:54,110 --> 00:22:55,480
Ashton and Chuck
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had worked out
whatever upset him
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and that everything was good
between Ashton and Chuck.
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When asked about owing
people money for drugs,
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Carole said that
they discovered
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that he owed about
$1,200 to somebody.
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And they just decided
to pay it for him.
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And, uh, it was supposed
to be the end of it.
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00:23:27,550 --> 00:23:29,770
At some point
during the investigation
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detectives get a call
from the insurance company,
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00:23:33,630 --> 00:23:35,530
which is not uncommon.
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00:23:35,730 --> 00:23:38,910
Insurance companies
will often call investigators
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on questionable deaths.
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00:23:41,310 --> 00:23:42,710
And their question is,
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"Is anybody
in the family involved?
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Because there's this $150,000,
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uh, accidental
death insurance."
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00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:58,930
[Schmidt] I can't imagine
Carole wanting...
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00:23:59,960 --> 00:24:01,770
...him dead for money,
for the simple fact that
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00:24:01,970 --> 00:24:03,790
he was the one who helped
make the money.
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00:24:04,510 --> 00:24:05,650
It doesn't make sense.
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00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,330
[Gold] One of the stories
that Carole had told me
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00:24:12,530 --> 00:24:15,020
was when her
husband Kenny died,
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00:24:15,220 --> 00:24:17,910
there was money, and...
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00:24:18,110 --> 00:24:21,190
...that she just kinda
blew through all the money,
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00:24:21,390 --> 00:24:24,960
and she just one day
woke up and realized...
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00:24:26,340 --> 00:24:27,710
...there was nothing left.
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00:24:27,910 --> 00:24:29,680
So she pretty much
had to start over.
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00:24:32,030 --> 00:24:34,600
[Holly] A lot of Bunnies
talk about how the job
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00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,670
paid so much more
just from tips,
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00:24:37,870 --> 00:24:39,500
than they would've made
at any other job that
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00:24:39,700 --> 00:24:41,650
would've been available
to them in the early '60s.
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00:24:43,510 --> 00:24:46,080
I think it would've
been really difficult
for someone like Carole,
401
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:47,570
who at such a young age,
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00:24:47,770 --> 00:24:49,360
had such financial freedom.
403
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:52,060
And that's a very
hard lifestyle
to transition out of.
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00:25:01,620 --> 00:25:04,480
[Gold] When I went to Phoenix
after the funeral,
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00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:06,930
I looked at Ashton...
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00:25:08,340 --> 00:25:12,080
...and at that moment,
I realized that
Ashton was wearing...
407
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,410
...a ring and a bracelet
that were my grandfather's.
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00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,330
So I walked over
to Carole and I went,
409
00:25:21,530 --> 00:25:24,510
"I noticed that Ashton
was wearing Grandpa's ring."
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00:25:26,820 --> 00:25:28,740
And she looked at me
and she said,
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00:25:28,940 --> 00:25:31,000
"Well, yeah, Dad said
he could have them."
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00:25:33,750 --> 00:25:37,330
And I said, "You're mistaken.
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00:25:37,530 --> 00:25:41,840
Because Dad and I
talked about it last time
I was here...
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00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:43,840
...that whatever was Grandpa's
would go to me.
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00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:47,120
So he would never have
let Ashton wear Grandpa's
ring and bracelet."
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00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:48,530
"Well, Stephy, he did."
417
00:25:48,730 --> 00:25:50,060
"Well, no, Carole, he didn't."
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00:25:51,750 --> 00:25:53,950
I think that's the first time
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00:25:54,150 --> 00:25:56,550
I really thought about it,
and really...
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00:25:57,930 --> 00:25:59,680
...went, "Oh, my God.
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00:26:01,750 --> 00:26:03,270
Are they both involved?"
422
00:26:21,310 --> 00:26:24,080
[reading] "Who are you?
It does not take long
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00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:27,360
before the answer
to that question
becomes complex.
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00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:29,510
When I was 25,
I could answer that
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00:26:30,410 --> 00:26:33,030
my name is Carole,
or Ms. Cottini.
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00:26:34,820 --> 00:26:36,530
I am the eighth grade teacher.
427
00:26:36,730 --> 00:26:39,880
Or, 'Good evening,
I'm your Bunny, Carole.'
428
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,910
Can you imagine
my eighth graders
telling their parents
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00:26:43,110 --> 00:26:44,890
that their teacher
was a Playboy Bunny?
430
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:46,720
Neither could I."
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00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,220
[Whitney] The detective
ends up confronting Carole
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00:26:58,420 --> 00:27:00,260
about that accidental
death policy,
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00:27:00,460 --> 00:27:02,360
something that she hadn't
talked about at all
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00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:03,430
in that first interview.
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00:27:03,630 --> 00:27:05,640
And she says
to the detective that
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00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,840
she didn't know about it
until after Chuck died,
437
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,200
that Chuck was the one
who organized this.
438
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:16,080
She knew she was paying
$75 a month into something,
439
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,440
but didn't really know what,
and that's what that was.
440
00:27:20,820 --> 00:27:23,740
[Petrosino] Every time
detectives find something that
441
00:27:23,940 --> 00:27:25,640
undermines what
she said before,
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00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:27,510
she has to modify her story.
443
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:29,750
And she does that.
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00:27:31,750 --> 00:27:34,460
The one thing about
doing police investigations
445
00:27:34,660 --> 00:27:38,290
is that if you get somebody
that's telling you the truth,
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00:27:38,490 --> 00:27:39,980
it doesn't change.
447
00:27:40,180 --> 00:27:42,290
But there isn't anything that
448
00:27:42,490 --> 00:27:44,410
detectives found at that point
449
00:27:45,310 --> 00:27:46,790
that shows that...
450
00:27:47,860 --> 00:27:49,930
...Carole actually did it.
451
00:27:56,620 --> 00:27:58,290
In early November,
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00:27:58,490 --> 00:28:01,740
detectives went back
and made a second
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00:28:01,940 --> 00:28:03,960
contact with Ashton.
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00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,500
It's possible that
that drug problem
455
00:28:07,700 --> 00:28:09,000
is connected to the murder.
456
00:28:10,550 --> 00:28:12,710
[Whitney] The detective
comes up with this plan
457
00:28:12,910 --> 00:28:14,500
to confront Ashton,
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00:28:14,700 --> 00:28:16,710
and kind of makes up
the fact that he knows
459
00:28:16,910 --> 00:28:19,150
a drug dealer
that Ashton knows
460
00:28:19,350 --> 00:28:20,960
is involved in this murder.
461
00:28:22,030 --> 00:28:23,430
He doesn't actually
know that for sure,
462
00:28:23,630 --> 00:28:25,020
but he thinks if he
brings that up to Ashton,
463
00:28:25,220 --> 00:28:27,570
he might get more
information out of him.
464
00:28:27,770 --> 00:28:29,530
[Petrosino] The trouble
with lying to suspects
465
00:28:29,730 --> 00:28:31,640
or investigative leads
466
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:34,080
is that if you guess wrong,
467
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,860
then they know
you're just fishing.
468
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:41,500
[Whitney] The detective says,
469
00:28:41,700 --> 00:28:43,050
"You know,
it'd be really helpful
470
00:28:43,250 --> 00:28:46,430
if you could give us a name
of any of these drug dealers
471
00:28:46,630 --> 00:28:48,820
that you're associated with
or have worked with."
472
00:28:50,650 --> 00:28:52,860
[Petrosino] And Ashton
panicked a little bit.
473
00:28:54,270 --> 00:28:55,270
And then he gives up...
474
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:58,100
...Bob Pryor.
475
00:29:00,030 --> 00:29:02,950
[Gold] Bob Pryor
was Ashton's drug dealer.
476
00:29:03,150 --> 00:29:05,460
And that's where he got
his Nubain from.
477
00:29:05,660 --> 00:29:08,810
Bob was also a physical
trainer at a gym,
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00:29:09,010 --> 00:29:10,310
which Ashton joined.
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00:29:11,410 --> 00:29:13,600
[Petrosino] Bob Pryor
is one of those guys
480
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:15,810
that if you work
certain assignments,
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00:29:16,010 --> 00:29:18,080
his name probably
would've come up.
482
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:21,030
He would've been known
to the Phoenix
police department.
483
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:26,950
The detectives are very
familiar with Bob Pryor
and his rap sheet.
484
00:29:27,150 --> 00:29:30,000
They have an informant
who knows about Bob Pryor.
485
00:29:32,820 --> 00:29:34,500
[Petrosino] September of 1993,
486
00:29:34,700 --> 00:29:36,740
the detective is able
to get in contact
487
00:29:36,940 --> 00:29:40,310
with Dan Goddard,
who is, who is the CI.
488
00:29:41,550 --> 00:29:44,130
A CI is confidential
informant.
489
00:29:45,100 --> 00:29:46,880
[Whitney]
The detective asks Goddard
490
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,150
if he knows Ashton.
491
00:29:49,350 --> 00:29:51,150
And Goddard tells the officer
492
00:29:51,350 --> 00:29:52,820
he had met Ashton once.
493
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,600
And there was a conversation
relayed to Dan Goddard
494
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,290
that Ashton had told Pryor
495
00:29:59,490 --> 00:30:01,670
that he hated
his stepdad so much,
496
00:30:01,870 --> 00:30:04,200
he was willing to pay
to get him killed.
497
00:30:07,510 --> 00:30:08,550
[gunshots]
498
00:30:10,100 --> 00:30:11,400
[Whitney] The detective
asks Goddard
499
00:30:11,590 --> 00:30:14,570
if he knows where
Bob Pryor was
500
00:30:14,770 --> 00:30:16,810
on October 20th, 1992.
501
00:30:17,010 --> 00:30:19,680
And Goddard says,
"Yeah, I was with him."
502
00:30:21,270 --> 00:30:23,500
Goddard was driving
Bob Pryor around,
503
00:30:23,700 --> 00:30:26,770
and he tells the detective
they stopped at a gas station,
504
00:30:26,970 --> 00:30:31,770
which was conveniently
right around the corner
from the Gold's house.
505
00:30:31,970 --> 00:30:34,720
[Petrosino] He said that Pryor
was wearing a heavy jacket...
506
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:37,000
...he's got a gun.
507
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:42,880
Um, Mr. Goddard
talked about, uh, it being a,
508
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:46,400
a small-caliber pistol or gun,
509
00:30:46,590 --> 00:30:48,430
uh, probably a .22.
510
00:30:48,630 --> 00:30:51,000
And he talks about a silencer.
511
00:30:52,750 --> 00:30:54,150
[Whitney] Bob Pryor
got out of the car
512
00:30:54,350 --> 00:30:56,930
with a .22 caliber gun
under his jacket.
513
00:31:00,410 --> 00:31:02,190
That gun matches the casings
514
00:31:02,390 --> 00:31:04,580
that were found around
Chuck Gold's body.
515
00:31:10,130 --> 00:31:11,740
Dan Goddard
tells the detective
516
00:31:11,940 --> 00:31:14,500
Bob Pryor disappeared
for a period of time
517
00:31:14,700 --> 00:31:16,310
and he didn't know
where he went.
518
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:22,120
And suddenly,
Bob Pryor and Ashton
519
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,600
moved from investigative lead
520
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:26,360
to the suspect column
521
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:28,580
on your police report.
522
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:35,980
[LaLama] When detectives start
looking into Bob Pryor,
523
00:31:36,180 --> 00:31:38,530
they find out
in an unrelated case,
524
00:31:38,730 --> 00:31:41,460
police took $9,000 in cash
525
00:31:41,660 --> 00:31:44,710
and a bunch of weapons
from his house.
526
00:31:44,910 --> 00:31:48,220
Bob Pryor had been
complaining that he wants
that stuff back,
527
00:31:48,420 --> 00:31:51,220
so this is the perfect ruse
528
00:31:51,420 --> 00:31:53,480
to get him into
the police department.
529
00:31:55,580 --> 00:31:57,670
[Petrosino] The decision was,
give him a call,
530
00:31:57,870 --> 00:31:59,670
tell him we're giving him
his guns back,
531
00:31:59,870 --> 00:32:01,340
uh, just have him
come on down, and...
532
00:32:02,820 --> 00:32:05,710
He came down,
he didn't get his guns back.
533
00:32:05,910 --> 00:32:08,200
But, uh, he did get
interviewed by detectives.
534
00:32:10,130 --> 00:32:11,880
[LaLama] In just a few minutes
535
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:13,880
into his conversation
with detectives,
536
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,220
he realizes,
"Oh, wait a minute.
537
00:32:16,420 --> 00:32:18,030
This is about a murder."
538
00:32:20,030 --> 00:32:23,460
Now that detectives
have the attention
of Bob Pryor,
539
00:32:23,660 --> 00:32:25,430
it's their chance
to say to him,
540
00:32:25,630 --> 00:32:27,950
"So, uh, Bob, just how much
541
00:32:28,150 --> 00:32:31,860
were you paid to carry out
a hit on Chuck Gold?"
542
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,370
[Whitney] And eventually,
he starts to crack.
543
00:32:36,820 --> 00:32:39,530
Bob Pryor tells them
it was $9,000,
544
00:32:39,730 --> 00:32:42,200
and the police had
seized that when they
took his guns and drugs.
545
00:32:47,060 --> 00:32:50,220
Bob pretty much
gives himself up
almost immediately,
546
00:32:50,420 --> 00:32:53,080
and admits he was
involved in this plan,
547
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:56,120
but he's got a lot more
to tell to detectives
548
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:59,290
when he says Carole Gold
549
00:32:59,490 --> 00:33:01,440
was really the mastermind.
550
00:33:10,340 --> 00:33:13,750
Carole Gold had it all when
she was a Playboy Bunny,
and she lost that.
551
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,770
She has this thriving
business with Chuck,
552
00:33:17,970 --> 00:33:20,190
and there was
probably the fear
of losing that, too.
553
00:33:20,390 --> 00:33:22,130
She wasn't gonna go through
losing it all again.
554
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:26,710
Faced with the threat
of Chuck divorcing her,
555
00:33:26,910 --> 00:33:29,270
Carole was probably
scared and angry.
556
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,670
[Petrosino] During his
interview with detectives,
557
00:33:38,870 --> 00:33:41,570
Bob Pryor gave some statements
558
00:33:41,770 --> 00:33:45,080
that implicated
Carole and Ashton
559
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,740
as being the people
that had hired him
560
00:33:47,940 --> 00:33:50,260
for, for $9,000
561
00:33:50,460 --> 00:33:52,310
to kill Mr. Gold.
562
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,330
He'd also implicated them
563
00:33:59,530 --> 00:34:03,310
in a prior separate
murder attempt on Chuck,
564
00:34:04,100 --> 00:34:06,080
where Carole and Ashton
565
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:09,480
put rat poison in his dinner.
566
00:34:10,890 --> 00:34:12,240
But he didn't die.
567
00:34:15,170 --> 00:34:17,080
He didn't like
the way that it tasted
568
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:18,820
and threw it away.
569
00:34:20,550 --> 00:34:21,810
[Whitney] With this
new information,
570
00:34:22,010 --> 00:34:24,400
the detective heads back
over to the horse stables
571
00:34:24,590 --> 00:34:27,570
and arrests both
Ashton and Carole
572
00:34:27,770 --> 00:34:29,050
for murder, and conspiracy
573
00:34:29,250 --> 00:34:31,000
to commit murder
on Chuck Gold.
574
00:34:37,030 --> 00:34:39,500
[LaLama] Detectives bring
Carole back in,
575
00:34:39,700 --> 00:34:41,400
they've got more
questions for her.
576
00:34:41,590 --> 00:34:44,460
This time, she clams up.
577
00:34:44,660 --> 00:34:46,370
Carole wants a lawyer.
578
00:34:47,620 --> 00:34:48,980
[Petrosino] Carole's released.
579
00:34:49,180 --> 00:34:51,930
There was no physical tie
580
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:54,000
to Carole.
581
00:34:55,340 --> 00:34:57,880
But they charged
Ashton and Pryor
582
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:00,810
with conspiracy to commit
first-degree murder
583
00:35:01,010 --> 00:35:02,930
and first-degree murder.
584
00:35:11,310 --> 00:35:13,460
[Whitney] After Carole
was released,
the detective goes
585
00:35:13,660 --> 00:35:16,190
to talk to John
and Sharon Novoselski,
586
00:35:16,390 --> 00:35:18,890
who were good friends
of Carole and Chuck's.
587
00:35:21,340 --> 00:35:23,640
He had talked to them before,
but he wanted to go back
588
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:25,150
just to see
if he could find out
589
00:35:25,350 --> 00:35:27,440
any other information
that could help.
590
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:32,190
The Novoselskis end up
giving the detective
591
00:35:32,390 --> 00:35:33,500
a piece of information
592
00:35:33,700 --> 00:35:36,060
that gets him one step closer
to solving the case.
593
00:35:37,410 --> 00:35:39,980
[Petrosino] John and Sharon
indicated that
594
00:35:40,180 --> 00:35:43,050
it was a really,
really bad time
595
00:35:43,250 --> 00:35:45,440
in Chuck
and Carole's marriage.
596
00:35:48,100 --> 00:35:50,980
[Whitney] But probably
the biggest piece
of information
597
00:35:51,180 --> 00:35:52,670
they tell the detective
598
00:35:52,870 --> 00:35:55,400
is that they know
Chuck did not know
599
00:35:55,590 --> 00:35:57,790
about any kind
of insurance policy.
600
00:35:58,930 --> 00:36:00,890
[Petrosino] Chuck had been
denied insurance,
601
00:36:01,550 --> 00:36:03,500
I'm assuming life insurance,
602
00:36:03,700 --> 00:36:05,170
because of health issues.
603
00:36:08,650 --> 00:36:10,950
The detective was
able to obtain
604
00:36:11,150 --> 00:36:14,080
handwriting samples for Chuck
605
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:15,860
and other family members.
606
00:36:17,370 --> 00:36:19,880
But the handwriting analysts
607
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:23,770
told him that, uh,
Chuck did not sign
608
00:36:23,970 --> 00:36:26,720
the application
for the insurance.
609
00:36:28,580 --> 00:36:31,400
And that, in fact,
his signature
610
00:36:31,590 --> 00:36:32,650
was done by Carole.
611
00:36:36,170 --> 00:36:38,130
The application
was fraudulent.
612
00:36:41,060 --> 00:36:43,030
[Gold] And I later
found out that
613
00:36:43,890 --> 00:36:46,260
Carole hired an attorney
614
00:36:46,460 --> 00:36:49,880
to get the money,
and the police were trying
615
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:52,950
to not release the money,
616
00:36:53,150 --> 00:36:55,880
because they still hadn't
617
00:36:56,080 --> 00:37:00,290
cleared her from
being a suspect.
618
00:37:00,490 --> 00:37:04,060
But they didn't have enough
to hold the insurance company
from not paying it.
619
00:37:11,890 --> 00:37:14,190
[Whitney] In December of 1994,
the trial starts
620
00:37:14,390 --> 00:37:16,270
for Ashton and Bob Pryor.
621
00:37:18,030 --> 00:37:20,840
But it's a deadlocked jury
in the end,
622
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:24,270
and eventually it's declared
a mistrial in 1995.
623
00:37:26,930 --> 00:37:28,640
[Schmidt]
They got a hung jury,
and that's probably
624
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:30,710
because they couldn't
connect the dots.
625
00:37:30,910 --> 00:37:33,770
If I was having trouble
with sitting in the gallery,
626
00:37:33,970 --> 00:37:35,550
I'm sure the jury was, too.
627
00:37:41,240 --> 00:37:43,910
[LaLama] Not long after
Bob's mistrial,
628
00:37:44,110 --> 00:37:46,330
he manages to get himself
into big trouble
629
00:37:46,530 --> 00:37:49,810
on unrelated charges,
federal charges,
630
00:37:50,010 --> 00:37:52,500
having to do
with drug distribution, so,
631
00:37:52,700 --> 00:37:56,460
what he decides to do
is plead down his sentence
632
00:37:56,660 --> 00:37:59,840
by promising to testify
in future trials
633
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,750
against Ashton
and his mom Carole.
634
00:38:05,310 --> 00:38:08,080
[Petrosino] In 1995
on 2nd of August,
635
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:10,710
Ashton and Carole
are re-arrested
636
00:38:10,910 --> 00:38:14,410
for murder and conspiracy
of Chuck.
637
00:38:15,340 --> 00:38:17,810
[LaLama] I've covered so many
638
00:38:18,010 --> 00:38:19,880
of these murder-for-hire cases
639
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:21,740
and it's usually
spouse-on-spouse,
640
00:38:21,940 --> 00:38:25,220
and the spouse killers
think they're so clever.
641
00:38:25,420 --> 00:38:28,100
But they always make
a stupid mistake.
642
00:38:29,620 --> 00:38:33,190
[Petrosino]
Document scientists
determine that...
643
00:38:33,390 --> 00:38:36,860
...Chuck hadn't filled out
the insurance paperwork
that Carole had.
644
00:38:39,130 --> 00:38:41,220
Which undermined
her story that
645
00:38:41,420 --> 00:38:43,220
she didn't have
any information about
646
00:38:43,420 --> 00:38:45,190
the life insurance
647
00:38:45,390 --> 00:38:47,620
or, or how much it was for.
648
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:53,410
It would be pretty hard
to explain that away.
649
00:38:56,930 --> 00:38:58,430
[Whitney] After Carole's
second arrest,
650
00:38:58,630 --> 00:39:02,050
the detective is hoping
she's going to come forward
651
00:39:02,250 --> 00:39:04,330
with anything more
she did the first time.
652
00:39:04,530 --> 00:39:05,950
So they pull her into a room
653
00:39:06,150 --> 00:39:07,550
to interrogate her
one more time.
654
00:39:09,370 --> 00:39:11,050
[Petrosino]
In the final interview,
655
00:39:11,250 --> 00:39:12,880
Carole makes statements
656
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,570
admitting involvement
in the case,
657
00:39:15,770 --> 00:39:18,150
and makes a statement,
658
00:39:18,350 --> 00:39:21,150
"You're on the right track,
659
00:39:21,350 --> 00:39:23,130
but the wrong train."
660
00:39:25,410 --> 00:39:28,650
And she never clarifies
what she means by that.
661
00:39:29,890 --> 00:39:30,980
I believe that
662
00:39:31,180 --> 00:39:34,050
they conspired together,
663
00:39:34,250 --> 00:39:35,740
Ashton and Carole,
664
00:39:35,940 --> 00:39:38,220
with a third party
that was the trigger man.
665
00:39:38,420 --> 00:39:39,370
[gunshots]
666
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:46,370
[Gold] On the day that
she was arrested in '93,
667
00:39:47,270 --> 00:39:48,840
I never heard from her again.
668
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:51,370
Not a single person
in the family ever
heard from her again.
669
00:39:52,620 --> 00:39:55,510
She never called to say,
"It's not true.
670
00:39:56,720 --> 00:39:59,240
I'll take care of it.
I'll explain it all."
671
00:40:00,240 --> 00:40:01,200
Not once.
672
00:40:05,580 --> 00:40:07,340
There's no betrayal
worse than that.
673
00:40:17,820 --> 00:40:20,460
[Petrosino]
On August 4th of 1997,
674
00:40:20,660 --> 00:40:24,000
the trial of Ashton
and Carole started.
675
00:40:25,410 --> 00:40:27,220
During the course
of the trial,
676
00:40:27,420 --> 00:40:29,480
Ashton pleads guilty
to conspiracy...
677
00:40:31,930 --> 00:40:35,000
...and is later sentenced
to 18 years in prison.
678
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,910
And the trial proceeds
against his mother.
679
00:40:41,110 --> 00:40:43,860
At the end of the trial,
the jury comes back with...
680
00:40:44,860 --> 00:40:46,400
...guilty on two counts,
681
00:40:46,590 --> 00:40:48,860
conspiracy and murder one.
682
00:40:50,930 --> 00:40:54,770
She's sentence to 25 to life,
683
00:40:54,970 --> 00:40:58,480
with the possibility
of receiving parole.
684
00:41:00,240 --> 00:41:02,770
[Whitney] Thanks to the deal
that Bob Pryor had cut,
685
00:41:02,970 --> 00:41:04,600
he was only
sentenced to 20 years
686
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:06,720
in a medium-security prison.
687
00:41:13,270 --> 00:41:16,000
I felt my dad got
the justice he deserved.
688
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:22,310
[inhales]
689
00:41:23,580 --> 00:41:24,580
It was tough...
690
00:41:25,820 --> 00:41:27,100
...being in court every day.
691
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:30,640
The sentencing took place
a month later,
692
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:32,820
where I was able to give
my victim impact statement.
693
00:41:34,100 --> 00:41:35,640
I apologized to the judge,
694
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:37,440
but I told Carole
to rot in Hell.
695
00:41:39,170 --> 00:41:41,240
And that's one
of the hardest things
it's been for me,
696
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:43,620
because I loved her.
697
00:41:44,410 --> 00:41:46,310
She was part of my family.
698
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:50,060
And she broke my heart.
699
00:41:56,340 --> 00:41:58,360
[Holly] Carole's ultimate fear
was losing her wealth
700
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:01,910
and losing her share
of a thriving business.
701
00:42:02,110 --> 00:42:04,430
Playboy and give you a taste
of the high life,
702
00:42:04,630 --> 00:42:06,910
but that doesn't last forever.
703
00:42:07,110 --> 00:42:08,810
And when Carole was afraid
she was going to lose
704
00:42:09,010 --> 00:42:11,120
her marriage, her lifestyle,
her business,
705
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:13,480
she was prepared
to kill to make sure
that didn't happen.
56659
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