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Who started the band?
Was it you or Rick?
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It was me
that started the band.
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Uh, it was my idea.
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I was driving
Rick somewhere.
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He'd just got his degree as
an agricultural scientist.
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I pulled the car over
and I said to Rick,
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"You know that band
Sherbet, Rick?"
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And he said, "Yep."
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And I said, "I reckon
if we start a rock band,
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we can knock 'em off
in 12 months.
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What do you reckon?"
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He just turned to me
and said, "Yep, okay."
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And I spent all night
talking to Doc.
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About nine o'clock
in the morning,
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I talked him into it.
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Without Rick
and Doc agreeing,
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it could never have been
more than just a dream.
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She should have
known just once,
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just once in her life,
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that she had to taste the long,
thin edge of her own knife.
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Similar
to the way Nirvana
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changed hair band music
in America,
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and all of a sudden
it became alternate,
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the Angels did exactly that
in Australia.
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- Angels! Angles! Angels!
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♪ Went down to Santa Fe where
Renoir paints the walls
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♪ Described you clearly
but the sky began to fall
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♪ Am I ever gonna
See your face again?
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♪ Am I ever gonna
See your face again?
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♪ Trams cars and taxis, Like
a wax-works on the move
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♪ Carry young girls past me
but none of them are you
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♪ Am I ever gonna
See your face again?
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♪ Am I ever gonna
See your face again?
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No way, get fucked, fuck off!
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I was always
a bit protective of Rick.
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When we were little kids,
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the guy next door
picked on Rick
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and I beat him up.
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And then into our teens
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I think we probably got
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a little more distant
from each other.
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Brothers get along
in a certain way, I suppose.
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Generally speaking, the
older sibling tends to be
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a little more authoritative
over the younger sibling.
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And John was obviously the
older brother, you know.
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John wasnthe older
and sophisticated man
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and had girlfriends,
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but I'm pretty sure
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he gave us a couple
of dollars one day
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to go away
and buy an ice cream.
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Dad was the lead cellist
in the orchestra,
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then he was
the Director of Music
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for the ABC.
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I mean, he came through
the Depression.
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And it was all about
job security.
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I got into working
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in a chartered
accountant's office,
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because I thought, "Oh, well,
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that's what Dad
thinks I should do.
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Maybe he's right."
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You know, we were young
and we were breaking free.
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Long hair, flower power,
free love. Music was king.
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The Beatles,
The Stones, The Kinks.
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Our friend
Pete Thorpe said,
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"You know when we go
to these parties
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and you take your guitar along
and sing songs?
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I'd like to
play with you."
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And I said, "Okay, yeah,
what do you play?"
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He said, "I don't really
play anything."
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"But I'd like
to learn something."
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And I said,
"Well, I don't know.
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Why don't we do
a jug band?"
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We went
to my brother
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and asked himif he'd
like to be part of it.
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I didn't feel like I had
a lot of responsibility.
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Rick won the Under-21
Classical Piano Eisteddfod
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at the age of 16.
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I don't have any doubt
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that he could have been
a concert pianist.
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He was that good.
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Rick's relationship
with Arthur
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and certainly...
and I think John's, too,
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was difficult.
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He had a nasty streak.
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Arthur was at home
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with some of his
drinking buddies
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and at one stage,
John was one of those.
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And I walked in
and he said,
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"Oh, have you met
my daughter, Richalina?"
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And I just
wanted to kill him.
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We always
used to give him
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a hard time for
being vague,
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because he'd sort of seem
to be off with the fairies
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but he knew exactly what
was going on.
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And then
in came Doc.
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We arrived in Australia
on Easter Thursday of 1960,
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and I went, "Shit..."
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you know,
"...this is Adelaide?"
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Probably expected
a big cheering crowd
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to be on the wharf.
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There was
nothing of the sort.
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It was quite solitary
and almost, to me, lonely.
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We ended up in a town
that was just being built,
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north of Adelaide,
called Elizabeth.
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There was very little
for teenagers to do.
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Nothing to do.
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Bob Bowes,
long-time friend of Bernard.
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You'll find
I don't call him Doc.
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My nickname for him
was Bernardino.
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We were always out singing.
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We walked
the streets a lot singing.
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That was a big part of it.
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Elizabeth was, in those
days, a step too far,
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so he often stayed with me
at my home.
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He was a mover
and shaker.
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He was also
extremely athletic.
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I saw him leapfrog
red letterboxes.
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In fact he even split his
trousers...[CHUCKLIN
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...one day doing that
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which we never
let him forget.
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He was a character.
Yeah, he was a character.
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And he read a lot of books.
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He was always
writing things down.
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But he was really,
really cheeky.
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Always,
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you know, making a joke of...
...sensitive times,
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or trying to.
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I got a call from Doc.
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"Hey," he said,
"Do you wanna be a star?"
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And I said to my wife,
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"Look, like,
it's one night a week."
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Well, one night
turned into six.
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The Sussex Hotel
was their big venue.
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The dance floor
was always packed.
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Like people
on the tables, jumping.
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Peter Thorpe
would play
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the string bass
with a glove on,
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and he'd soak it in metho
and set it on fire.
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The crowd would go nuts.
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There had been
a recording contract with EMI
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floating about the place,
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and so everybody decided that
it would be a great idea
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if we went
properly professional.
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And so I resigned
from teaching.
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Thank you.
That's it for now.
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Moonshine will
be back soon.
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And then
almost immediately,
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they decided that
they would really
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like to play
electric rock and roll.
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Hello, baby!
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♪ Yeah, this is
the Big Doctor speaking
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♪ What's that, honey?
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Our first drummer,
Charlie King,
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was probably one of
the only drummers around
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that would actually consent
to play with us.
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I knew all the numbers,
'60s and '70s rock.
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I just loved music.
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♪ Chantilly lace
and a pretty face and...
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Their first gig electric,
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there was only
20 people there
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and they got booed.
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The audience hated us.
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Meeting AC/DC in 1975
completely changed our life.
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I think it might have
been Malcolm that said,
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"Next time
you come to Sydney,
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we'd like you to meet
George and Harry."
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"Yeah, of course.
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Thanks for
the invitation, guys."
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We'll be there.
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So we sang a few songs
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and we were signed
two weeks later.
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Albert Studio in Sydney
is a kind of iconic studio
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and it's where
The Easybeats recorded
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and where AC/DC recorded
all their initial albums.
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And it's got a particular
sound about it
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that is kind of defining
of Australian rock and roll.
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Ted Albert
was the head of the company.
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He was a real visionary
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and he had
a lot of faith in people.
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He knew George
and Harry's worth
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and he let them get on
with what they did best.
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Vanda and Young were
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the hottest producers
in Australia
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and internationally recognised.
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I don't think
there was any year
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that we didn't have
three albums in the chart,
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all created
from our own studio.
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It was like
the pinnacle.
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If you could make it
in Sydney, you'd made it.
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One of my
friends said,
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"You ran away from Adelaide
with a rock and roll band."
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I was only 23
when I got here.
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It literally was an adventure.
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Someone found
Wallaringa Mansions.
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Carpets that smelled
of cat piss
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and I couldn't have
cared less.
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It was all aboutthe next
session in the studio
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and writing the
next song.
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I worked particularly hard
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because I was doing
the roadie's job as well.
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If I wasn't drumming,
we were pulling down
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or loading and driving
to the next gig.
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I remember one week,
we did 12 shows.
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One of the gigs
in Melbourne
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was the Ringwood
ice skating rink.
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Angus Young and Rick
would get these gloves
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and cut the fingers off
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so they could get
a bit of circulation
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into their fingers
to play the leads.
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There'd be
very few people
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and Bitsy, Dzintra and I
would sit up the back
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and wait for four hours.
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It's a long time.
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I was a fairly
newly-graduated physio.
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We all provided stability
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while they
chased a dream.
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We were all working
on our instruments
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and developing
moderately well,
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but Charlie didn't seem
to be improving.
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George and Harry
had a quiet word to us.
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Said, "Maybe it's time to
look for another drummer."
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I didn't want to do it
and I'm sure Doc didn't.
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We suggested,
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"You're the guy, John.
You do it."
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I was sitting
in the front of a car.
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John suddenly
turned around and said,
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"Pete, you're out
of the band."
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So I just opened the door,
stepped outside,
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lit up a smoke
and took a deep breath.
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He just drove off.
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That was it.
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I really,
really believe
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that the main reason
I got fired
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was because of egos.
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Drumming had nothing
to do with it.
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It was bullshit.
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I reckon
I was about nine or ten
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when I decided I was
going to be a musician.
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My nana had a tape recorder
and then my cousins had one
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and then I had
two tape recorders together.
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And I'd go
from one to the other
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and I'd add bits and pieces.
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I'd seen the Moonshine Jugand
String Band which I loved,
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and we would run into them
at these gigs
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and I remember saying
to Doc one time,
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"'Why did you guys stop
doing the jug band?"
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Because the jug band
was really good.
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"But if you
don't mind me saying,
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the Keystone Angels
don't sound that good."
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He said,
"Oh, we're just learning
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how to play
electric music."
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Robbie Robertson,
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who runs
the Thebarton Theatre,
rang me up.
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So I go into this meetingand
there's John, Rick and Doc.
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And immediately I went,
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"Oh, no, the Keystone Angels.
No, I don't know about
that."
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I thought, "Well, I'll
join you for six months,
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see if I like it
and I'll come to Sydney."
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If I don't like it,
I just thought
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I could leave
or go back to London
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which was what
my plan was anyway.
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Any time
you started to talk about,
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you know, things rhythmic,
Doc couldn't do it.
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He just physically
couldn't do it.
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And I'd kind of be dropping
hints about, you know,
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wouldn't it be nice
if there was a bass player
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that could sort of
keep up with me?
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You know.
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One Saturday afternoon
in Neutral Bay
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in a crummy boarding house
that we were stuck in,
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it was an open meeting
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so we could all say
whatever we wanted.
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And there were reasons
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why John should be
the frontman.
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He could play harp
and he was a good singer.
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And then we sort of went round
the circle of the four of us.
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We got to Buzz
and he said,
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"Well, I think Doc
should be the lead singer,
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because he's got the worst
voice in the band."
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I gave him a look
that could kill.
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Like, really,
I was pretty insulted.
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Buzz very quickly
corrected himself and said,
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"No, what I mean is the
most distinctive voice."
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I said, "Look, why don't we
just get a bass player
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and make it
a five-piece band?"
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Buzz had contactwith
Chris Bailey in Adelaide.
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I, for one, went, "Oh,
yeah, you gotta be kidding."
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He was frontman
for his own band.
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Suddenly we had
a rhythm section.
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We had some of
that magic.
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It was amazing.
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♪ Hold tight, big brother
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♪ Calling in the name
of liberty
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♪ Lots stone
take your place
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♪ Looks like
It's comin' down on me
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♪ Down on me
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I had this old
EH Holden station wagon
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and we would just go from town
to town, seven nights a week.
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Every time we stopped
on the road
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we'd play
gentlemen's frisbee
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and it was fantastic fun,
but never Doc.
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He would be off in a corner
somewhere, reading a book.
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Doc didn't
play frisbee.
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Doc used to get hit
by the frisbee.
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Doc, no matter where he was,
would get hit.
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John was assertive.
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I saw John as the leader,
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without really thinking of it
in those terms ever,
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at that time.
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I did all the driving
back in the old days,
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mainly because I was
probably not out of it.
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I was probably
the least out of it.
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Thousands
and thousands of miles
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in the old station wagon.
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I don't remember anyone
driving apart from John.
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He was very confident
in the band
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and he was the guy that
went daily to the agent
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and he would literally stand
over his shoulder,
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looking at the calendar, saying,
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"There's a hole there.
Fill it. Come on, come on."
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"Am I Ever Gonna See
Your Face Again" the single,
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was what we call
a turntable hit.
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Got lots of radio play,
but got no sales.
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Sold a few copies
to people like my mother.
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They put out a song
called "You're a Lady Now".
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I have no idea
why they put that out.
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The album itself
wasn't received that well.
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Sank without a trace.
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We thought "Comin' Down"
was gonna be our big hit.
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And that
didn't really take off.
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Another flop.
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One flop after another.
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Harry and George
asked Rick and I
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to step out into the corridor.
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And my heart sank.
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I thought,
"They've lost interest."
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Vanda and Young
had asked me
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if I wanted to be
their apprentice.
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Of course I said yes,
you know,
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00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:24,400
and so I started working
with their artists.
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AC/DC, "Love Is In The Air",
John Paul Young.
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You know,
after about six months,
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00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:32,200
George Young
came up to me,
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and said, "Look, we're thinking
of dropping the Angels.
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We can't see us
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doing a lot of work
with them any more,
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because they weren't
a commercial success.
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But if you'd like
to work with them,
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you know,
we'll keep trying."
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♪ White line
On the burning road
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AC/DC have a sound.
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00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:50,960
The Rolling Stones
have a sound.
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Everyone has a unique
audio footprint.
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00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:55,600
And yet in most
Australian acts,
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00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:57,040
it was just
all these different songs,
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00:17:57,040 --> 00:17:58,200
like throwing
mud against a wall
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to see if it would stick.
360
00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:01,800
So I wanted to
make a record
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00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:04,640
that the apprentice butcher
or the young tradie
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00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:07,280
could get his cassette
and slam it into his car
363
00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:10,320
and drive off to the pubwith
this blaring really loud.
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00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:13,720
♪ She promised herself
this would be the last one
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Punk music
was ending.
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00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:16,560
So it struck me
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00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:18,320
that what I had to do
with the Angels
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00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:21,400
was come up with some
sophisticated punk sound.
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00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:24,840
Now, I had no idea
what that sound was.
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00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:27,760
Absolutely zero.
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00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:30,600
I'm sure John Brewster
would have regarded me
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00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:32,120
with a little bit
of suspicion,
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because all of a sudden
I had a bit of power.
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00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:36,200
But that's fair
enough, too.
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00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:37,880
Without John Brewster,
there's no Angels.
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00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:45,080
Robyn.
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00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:55,880
John was doted on
by his mother,
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00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:57,560
if that's the way
of saying it.
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00:18:57,560 --> 00:19:00,520
I think he came
after a child that died,
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00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:02,840
so she was quite protective
381
00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:06,000
and I think that
he picked up on that
382
00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:08,880
and was quite neurotic
about health
383
00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:11,320
and safety and illness
and... yeah.
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00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:17,240
We never even heard
of Robert until years later.
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00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:22,360
All I saw was John
getting a lot of attention.
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00:19:22,360 --> 00:19:25,840
And I never wanted
that sort of attention.
387
00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:29,200
John
was a major worry wart.
388
00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:32,120
John would worry
about every little detail.
389
00:19:32,120 --> 00:19:34,680
He was definitely
the mother of the band.
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00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:41,520
We couldn't afford
accountants, so I'd do it all
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and you know, we bought
a truck and all this stuff.
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00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:47,120
So there was this
massive pressure
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of repayments to a loan.
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00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:50,680
I couldn't sleep at night.
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00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:51,920
There was some talk
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00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:53,520
of putting the jug band
back together again.
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00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:55,680
You know,
it's three years too late,
398
00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:59,080
but maybe
I could go back to entomology.
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00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:00,440
And I said,
"Hang on,
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00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:01,920
we've got seven weeks
of gigs coming up.
401
00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:03,440
Now we've got to do
that seven weeks
402
00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:04,680
and we'll see
how we're going then."
403
00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:12,320
Week one,
our van blew a tyre.
404
00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:13,320
- Boom!
405
00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:21,960
We talked to Ted Albert,
who said, "No."
406
00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:24,000
"I'm not loaning you money."
407
00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:29,600
John approached
me for money.
408
00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:30,920
I had no money.
409
00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:37,960
I went
from Sydney to Adelaide,
410
00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:39,360
went down to
Victor Harbour.
411
00:20:39,360 --> 00:20:43,000
Asked Dad to help us out.
412
00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:45,560
Of course, Dad knocked me back
and then he sort of said,
413
00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:47,720
"Well, you've forced me
to make a commentary
414
00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:50,160
about what you're doing."
415
00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:52,240
He said, "I think you and
Rickhave made a very big
mistake."
416
00:20:57,680 --> 00:20:58,880
I was thinking about
417
00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:00,240
how I was gonna
go back to Sydney
418
00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:01,640
and have to
tell the band,
419
00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:03,120
"I'm sorry, guys,
it's not gonna happen."
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00:21:03,120 --> 00:21:04,760
The song just
came into my head.
421
00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:12,320
It was at Chequersand
it was a wet Tuesday night
422
00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:15,680
which doesn't mean anything,
but it adds to the moment.
423
00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:16,520
And...
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00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:19,920
I think I was
doing the door.
425
00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:23,960
And then they sung a song
called "I Ain't the One".
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00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:26,880
You could almost
feel the band
427
00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:29,600
sensing they'd
found themselves.
428
00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:32,400
The people who'd been
sitting up the back
429
00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:34,160
rushed to the front,
430
00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:37,640
and it was a moment from which
you couldn't go back
431
00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:39,640
because it laid
out for them
432
00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:42,160
exactly who and what
they could be.
433
00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:56,440
We used to rehearse
434
00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:58,760
in the basementof somebody's
house in Balmain.
435
00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:00,720
It was like airless,
shirts off
436
00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:02,400
and sweat pouring off of us.
437
00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:03,640
Someone would be going,
438
00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:05,640
"De-de-de-de-eh,
de-de-de-de-de-de,"
439
00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:07,840
and we'd do that for,
like, 20 minutes
440
00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:09,560
and you'd go,
"I've had enough of this.
441
00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:12,440
For God's sake play
another chord! Play a D."
442
00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:15,560
The main element of it
was called an eighth note
443
00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:17,160
which we called
"nick nick".
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00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:18,320
We had all these
other songs.
445
00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:19,760
"Well, we can put it
in that one,
446
00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:21,000
we can put it
in that song,
447
00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:22,480
we can put it
in this song."
448
00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:24,880
And we can write new songs
that incorporate it.
449
00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:26,560
We were all
smoking marijuana.
450
00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:28,640
It's so much a music drug
451
00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:30,680
and also the camaraderie
that exists.
452
00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:32,120
If you're all
having a joint,
453
00:22:32,120 --> 00:22:34,000
you're all on a pretty
similar wavelength.
454
00:22:36,120 --> 00:22:38,360
I was very fortunate
with "Face to Face"
455
00:22:38,360 --> 00:22:40,080
because when we did
the vocals,
456
00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:43,160
it'd just be
me and Doc together.
457
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:46,160
I set the microphone up
in the control room
458
00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:47,560
with the big speakers,
459
00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:49,760
because I wanted him
to get the feel of it.
460
00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:52,440
The idea was
to have no one else around
461
00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:53,760
and so that way,
462
00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:55,160
he could disappear
into his own world.
463
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:02,160
When it was
a four-piece band,
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00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:03,520
when I first joined,
465
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:05,840
it was kind of...
everyone was very tight.
466
00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:08,840
And as soon as Chris came in
and it was a five-piece band,
467
00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:10,720
it changed the dynamic
quite a bit.
468
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:14,360
It changed it a lot, actually.
469
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:18,000
When we
officially formed
470
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:19,600
Brewster-Neeson-Brewster,
471
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:21,200
it would have been
472
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:24,880
when Buzz and Chris
were both in the band.
473
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:27,480
We were sitting around
in a room like this
474
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:31,200
with a couple of guitars,
all throwing in ideas.
475
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,720
And Doc would
have his notebook,
476
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:35,040
singing along.
477
00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:36,520
It felt like a real team.
478
00:23:38,360 --> 00:23:41,960
Chris didn't show
any interest in writing.
479
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:45,720
But Buzz wanted to write.
480
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:47,720
There was this
push-pull thing
481
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:50,280
between musical styles.
482
00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:52,280
I mean, those guys
hadn't heard the Ramones.
483
00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:53,560
You know?
484
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:55,640
And I was, like...
"You haven't heard..."
485
00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:56,800
"You haven't
heard the Ramones?"
486
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:01,400
Many times, nBuzz or
Chris would say to me,
487
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:02,960
"Oh, gee,
I wanna leave the band."
488
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:04,360
And I said,
"Do not leave the band
489
00:24:04,360 --> 00:24:05,720
Do not.
This is going to be so big.
490
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:07,280
Do not leave.
Do not leave.
491
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:08,680
You're so crucial."
492
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,680
It created this nice friction,
this tension,
493
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:13,120
and that's the thing
494
00:24:13,120 --> 00:24:14,960
that I was always looking
for in the songs.
495
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:16,480
"Create tension,
create tension."
496
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:25,280
Then Rick wrote
Take A Long Line.
497
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:30,960
This is it, folks,
over the top.
498
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:32,920
Once that hit
the airwaves,
499
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:34,440
they broke records.
500
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:35,640
It was a dam breaking.
501
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:37,280
And it just boomed up
the charts.
502
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,440
We played with
David Bowie, AC/DC, Meatloaf.
503
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:46,320
The Angels!
504
00:24:57,360 --> 00:24:59,680
♪ He was selling postcards
from a paper stand
505
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,520
♪ The whiskey bottle
in his withered hand
506
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:04,800
♪ Put his finger on a photo
from an old magazine
507
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:06,320
That summer,
508
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:07,880
you could walk outside
the back of your house
509
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:09,320
and you'd hear
"Face to Face"
510
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:10,760
being played in the
backyards all around.
511
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,320
In the car next to you
at the traffic lights and
512
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:15,360
and driving past
someone's barbecue,
513
00:25:15,360 --> 00:25:16,600
you'd hear...
514
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:25,560
♪ Take a long line...
515
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:27,040
♪ Reel him in
516
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:30,720
Manly Vale Hotel.
1,800 people in there.
517
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:32,800
The agent called
the manager and said,
518
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:35,480
"We suggest you take out all
your tables and chairs."
519
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:36,640
And the publican said,
520
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:38,840
"Don't tell me
how to run my hotel."
521
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:45,160
At the end our show,
I'm standing on the stage,
522
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:48,960
and there's not one table,
not one chair in one piece.
523
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,880
The whole place is
wreckedwith glass all over the floor.
524
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,560
Every now and again you see a
thong where there's blood.
525
00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,120
And the manager's
walking towards me
526
00:25:59,120 --> 00:26:02,880
and as he got closer I said,
"Sorry about the damage."
527
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,880
And he said,
"Damage? What damage?
528
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:07,040
This is my bar take.
529
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:08,680
When can I get
you guys back here?"
530
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,520
Fifa Riccobono
came to me and she said,
531
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:22,080
"Oh, 'Face to Face'
has gone gold."
532
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:23,560
I said, "Fifa,
533
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:25,880
this album's gonna go
a lot further than gold.
534
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:27,600
This has changed
Australian music."
535
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,160
♪ Take a long line
536
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:33,800
♪ Reel him in
537
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:42,640
♪ Take a long line
538
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:43,800
♪ Reel him in
539
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:58,520
George said,
"Your best way on stage,
540
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:00,520
because you haven't been
a frontman before,
541
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:02,800
is just to do anything
that you want."
542
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:04,200
I went, "Anything?"
543
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:10,160
I decided to go down
to Sydney Fish Markets
544
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:13,480
and I bought about
a dozen foot-long fish.
545
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,360
I cleaned them,
disinfected them
546
00:27:16,360 --> 00:27:18,160
lowered them
into a bucket
547
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:21,040
and took them
to the Bondi Lifesaver
548
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:22,400
and kept them
out of sight
549
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,080
from the band
because I thought,
550
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:27,880
"'Let's give the audience
something to talk about."
551
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,880
I didn't realise there was
fish meat on the head
552
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,840
and it was breaking offand
getting on people's clothes
553
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:35,560
and getting on their skin
554
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:37,040
and a few people
555
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,440
actually started throwing them
back at the band.
556
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:41,960
And one hit
Chris Bailey's bass
557
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:46,400
and kind of mushed itself
right across all his strings.
558
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,200
So he had to play
the rest of the night...
559
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:50,760
... with fish head
all through his guitar.
560
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:53,200
And he came off the stage, you
know, when we were all off
561
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,040
and I was kind
of thinking,
562
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,040
"Mmm, wonder how
the fish thing went."
563
00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:00,680
And he came up to me
and he said, very quietly,
564
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,160
"Doc, I never interfere
565
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:04,720
with what you're
doing on stage,
566
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:08,360
but if you ever fucking throw
fish out again,
567
00:28:08,360 --> 00:28:09,720
I'm not playing
with this band."
568
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:22,480
At a nightclub where I'd got
a part-time job on weekends
569
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:23,680
as a roadie,
570
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:25,120
I was on stage
571
00:28:25,120 --> 00:28:27,400
and I just happened
to look across the room
572
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,680
and I saw this girl
with these beautiful eyes
573
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:32,080
just about to sit down
574
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:33,680
and I thought,
575
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,920
"Hmm, if I were to sit beside
her for the next hour,
576
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,800
I'd have the chance to...
to chat her up."
577
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,800
So I put on
a bit of a spurt,
578
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:44,000
kissed her
on the cheek goodnight,
579
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:45,200
but got her phone number.
580
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:52,320
Daniel was born, and Bernard
in his usual sort of way
581
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:55,880
had arranged
for Daniel and I
582
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:59,000
to come home
in a horse and carriage.
583
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:03,400
With Kieran, it was a limousine
and champagne in the back
584
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,800
and it was such
a delightful part of him
585
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:07,360
where he really
wanted to,
586
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:08,880
you know,
make an occasion of this
587
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,160
because it was important.
588
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,120
See,
if you get it right,
589
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:14,720
when he goes up
on the shoulder like this,
590
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:16,120
he gives a projectile vomit.
591
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,720
Six or seven years
upon migrating from Ireland,
592
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:23,680
you know, he had
a relationship with my mum,
593
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,720
got into music
and got into drama school.
594
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:28,360
I think from that point on,
it was, like,
595
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:30,000
"Well, what can I do
with this place?"
596
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,320
You know,
"What buttons can I push?
597
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:35,040
What is there
to explore in life?"
598
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:38,200
Bernard liked
German Expressionism in film,
599
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,960
in particular
where there was high drama,
600
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,600
there was lots of contrasts
and long shadows.
601
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,080
He was into poetry,
602
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:49,080
he was into Bertolt Brecht
writings and Kafka.
603
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:52,560
I was looking to be
604
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:54,880
a film director
and write scripts.
605
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:57,880
The flash of life
606
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:02,040
that is the second
that begins the day.
607
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:07,680
♪ Holding council
with the king and queen
608
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,320
♪ Trying hard to decide
the fate of their regime
609
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,960
♪ There's only one thing needed
to complete the harmonising
610
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,800
♪ That's a man with a voice
like a scraping violin
611
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:19,160
♪ Waiting for
Mr Damage...
612
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:23,640
He wanted to benan
untouchable, magical thing.
613
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:28,160
♪ Trying hard
just to keep a candle lit
614
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:33,600
♪ A leather flyer leaves
the subway anxious to admit
615
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:38,040
♪ That the marvelled one
so recently deposed
616
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:43,960
♪ Was seen three days laterin
a brand new suit of clothes
617
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:48,320
♪ Brand new suit of clothes
for a very special day...
618
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:52,240
He's one of these people
who contains this energy...
619
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:55,040
like a bomb.
620
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:58,280
♪ A brand new suit of clothes
for a very special day
621
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:01,400
His energy translates
by him letting it go
622
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,200
screaming across the audience.
623
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:07,480
It's in, it's in, it's in
and then he goes, "Bang!"
624
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:11,240
♪ Hey!
625
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:26,040
♪ Mr Damage holds a curse
626
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,080
♪ Mr Damage
drives a hearse
627
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:31,880
♪ Don't you know
who did it first?
628
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,840
♪ Mr Damage
629
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,760
♪ Mr Damage
630
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:39,120
♪ Walks through the door
631
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:40,480
♪ Of his
sacrificial church
632
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,120
♪ Mr Damage
633
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:44,320
♪ Meet you in the lobby
634
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:45,640
♪ And he'll leave you
In the lurch
635
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,120
♪ Mr Damage
636
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:49,440
♪ Stands at the altar
637
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:50,720
♪ Sermon of the search
638
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:55,800
♪ All the faithful follow
639
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:59,080
♪ Holding frozen hands
640
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:05,800
♪ As Mr Damage holds the curse
641
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:14,120
1979, I think
we did 330 gigs.
642
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:16,640
So that only left, you know,
643
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:18,400
35 days
when we didn't have a gig.
644
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,040
Which is not very many.
645
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:29,440
I saw less of him.
646
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:33,080
In fact, the year that I
was pregnant with Sam,
647
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:34,600
I think I would
have seen him
648
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:36,520
only for a few months
of that year.
649
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:43,080
You could never
sort of stop and think.
650
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,560
You know, we were just
on the road all the time.
651
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:54,640
Ray Hawkins,
he knew nothing about lights.
652
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:56,080
I was at law school,
653
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,480
but I'd just been busted
for dealing drugs,
654
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:00,640
so I wasn't exactly
your normal...
655
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,360
...your normal
law student.
656
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:05,800
We used to go around
to Ray's house
657
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,160
and physically
build lights.
658
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:10,640
We had this little
production line.
659
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,440
Crimp, rivet, grommet.
Crimp, rivet, grommet.
660
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:15,680
And then
we'd set the lights up
661
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,120
at four o'clock in the morning
out in his back yard.
662
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:19,880
The singular feature
663
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,960
of the Angels' lighting
was darkness.
664
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:28,160
As well as black
being a colour we used,
665
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:29,800
Doc used silence
666
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,160
in the middle
of his raves.
667
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,080
For a rock and roll band
668
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:38,360
to use a poignant,
pregnant pause,
669
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:40,040
and leave the moment
670
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:41,600
for people to fill in
as they wish,
671
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,800
it was theatre,
it was perfect.
672
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:50,080
And it was complex
and it was menacing.
673
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:54,280
I think they touched
people deeply
674
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:57,600
on a level that no one
even understood
675
00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:59,120
because into darkness,
676
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:04,800
you can project your own
fears and subconscious.
677
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,040
The Angels
were just incandescent.
678
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:17,160
When the bandfirst
kind of hit the heights,
679
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:19,800
it was mainly males.
680
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,720
I'm looking at all these guys
with their shirts off,
681
00:34:22,720 --> 00:34:24,520
sweating and drinking
beer and stuff
682
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:26,600
and I look out and there,
683
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,760
standing on a table,
dancing, is my mum.
684
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,760
She was... You know,
we could do no wrong.
685
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:38,800
My dad never
came to a show.
686
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:56,200
Rick tried to be
a rock and roll performer.
687
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:57,200
Didn't work.
688
00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:00,520
He was kind
of a bit eccentric.
689
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,160
He used to take a sewing
machine on the road
690
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,560
in case he had to
run up a pair of flares.
691
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:07,400
He had
for no apparent reason
692
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,960
bought 11 red
phone boxes,
693
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:13,000
and then put store
mannequins inside them.
694
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:14,760
He looked
really ungainly
695
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,640
when he used to walk
around on stage.
696
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:19,120
We'd sort of be
on him and say,
697
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:20,360
"Hey, Rick, you know,
698
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:21,840
that silly little
move you make.
699
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:23,560
Do you have to do that?"
You know?
700
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:24,960
And finally he
said one day,
701
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:26,320
"What do you want me to do?
Stand still?"
702
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:30,480
♪ I ain't the one...
703
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,880
No one could stand still
with that intensity.
704
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,520
Doc would go up to Rick
and scream in his ear
705
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:39,040
and Rick would still just
stand there like this.
706
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:41,240
When it came
to "I Ain't The One"
707
00:35:41,240 --> 00:35:43,640
and all the focus
was on Doc.
708
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:46,440
Fade to black.
Rick would go off the stage.
709
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,560
Put a cardboard cut-out
of Rick up there, life size.
710
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:51,640
The light would
come up from behind him
711
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:53,440
so they were only
seeing a silhouette.
712
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:54,920
And then Doc,
in his antics,
713
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:58,200
would be dancing across
the stage and whack!
714
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:00,200
Fold in the middle,
flat to the ground.
715
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,160
He would rip the head off
716
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,240
and frisbee it
out into the crowd.
717
00:36:04,240 --> 00:36:06,760
But it's the only time
he'd frisbee.
718
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,120
What I used to hear
the Angels doing
719
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:12,600
for at least half an hour
720
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,000
in whatever dressing room
space that they had,
721
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,720
they carried practice amps
and they set them up there
722
00:36:17,720 --> 00:36:20,200
and all three of the guitars,
Chris Bailey on bass,
723
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,000
the two Brewster brothers
724
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,480
would play together
for at least half an hour,
725
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,880
probably more like
45 minutes.
726
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:30,760
And this was all about getting
the guitars exactly in tune.
727
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:32,000
Of course they're
doing it all by ear.
728
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:33,480
There were no tuners.
729
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:35,600
So, that was the way
they locked themselves in.
730
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,200
And that became
a real thing for me
731
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:40,480
because they were such
a tight band.
732
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,880
I think that's the defining
thing about them. It was...
733
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:46,000
Oh, I don't know,
734
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,160
kind of almost
a religious experience for me.
735
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:52,400
Now?
Yes!
736
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:53,680
Now!
737
00:37:04,240 --> 00:37:07,200
Proudmans
was built for ballet.
738
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:09,200
The speaker columns
and the ceilings
739
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:10,560
bouncing up and down.
740
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:12,600
Suddenly the whole truss
741
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,920
comes down
and it scatters the audience
742
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,000
No one was injured.
It was hilarious.
743
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,000
They've been transformed
into this menacing,
744
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,320
road-tough new band
745
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:25,360
with a whole lot
of new material
746
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:26,800
played incredibly fast.
747
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:28,600
The Oils had
to compete with this.
748
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:29,920
You see Guns N' Roses.
749
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,120
Their singer,
he took everything from that.
750
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:34,440
♪ I ain't the one
I ain't the one
751
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:37,000
♪ I ain't the
one to judge
752
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,120
♪ I ain't the one
I ain't the one...
753
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:40,720
You'll never ever tell me
754
00:37:40,720 --> 00:37:42,360
that he didn't know
exactly what he was doing
755
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:44,560
every second of the performance.
756
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:45,920
Everything's in lockstep.
757
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:47,320
They can feel it.
758
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:49,720
Everything, every note,
it's milliseconds going down
759
00:37:49,720 --> 00:37:50,640
and they're on
the same wavelength.
760
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:54,680
♪ I ain't the one
I ain't the one
761
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,320
♪ I ain't the
one to judge
762
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,680
♪ I ain't the one
I ain't the one
763
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:02,320
♪ I ain't the
one to judge
764
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:04,680
♪ I ain't the one
I ain't the one
765
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:06,640
♪ I ain't the
one to judge
766
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:17,280
Well, we're
into the 1980s,
767
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,640
but it hasn't started outas
an entirely happy New Year.
768
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:22,600
Hooliganism marred the
New Year's Eve revelries
769
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:24,240
at the Opera House last night,
770
00:38:24,240 --> 00:38:26,000
bringing the
Sydney Festival Concert
771
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:27,920
to an abrupt and
violent end.
772
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,720
Sixty-five people
were taken to hospital
773
00:38:30,720 --> 00:38:31,800
and there were
more than 40 arrests.
774
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,400
Everyone
was shitfaced
775
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:40,160
and started to frisbee
these pieces of masonite
776
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,240
up onto the stage.
777
00:38:42,240 --> 00:38:43,280
Chris and I are
just going,
778
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:44,600
"'Fuck..." you know,
779
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:45,800
"Is someone gonna
stop this or what?"
780
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,440
Right then, this flagon
781
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:51,360
that had been
broken off went...
782
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:53,560
Embedded itself in the wood.
783
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:55,840
Just missed me.
And I just said to Chris,
784
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:57,600
"Next song, mate,
I'm outta here.
785
00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:59,560
I'm just gonna get up
and walk off."
786
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:01,760
And Chris, you know,
he's playing along and,
787
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:03,360
"Yeah, yeah, me too.
Yeah, all right".
788
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:04,920
And he turned around
and this bottle...
789
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:06,920
Bang! Knocked him unconscious.
790
00:39:08,240 --> 00:39:10,640
And I just got up and I ran
791
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:12,200
to the fucking front mic
and I said,
792
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,800
"You fucking idiots!
Arseholes!"
793
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,400
You know, and I'm fucking
like this and Rick's still...
794
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,240
Rick's still playing,
and I'm going,
795
00:39:19,240 --> 00:39:20,320
"For fuck's
sake, get off!"
796
00:39:21,720 --> 00:39:22,680
- And then...
797
00:39:30,720 --> 00:39:31,880
For whatever reason...
798
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:33,640
Well, hang on,
whatever reason?
799
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:34,720
It was alcohol.
800
00:39:34,720 --> 00:39:37,120
They were drunk as skunks
801
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:38,680
by the time
the Angels came on.
802
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:42,680
That's the funny thing
with crowds.
803
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,120
It's like, you can have
a religious experience,
804
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:46,840
but then,
the darkness can come in
805
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:49,600
if people are not
in a good space.
806
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:56,000
I rolled the dice.
807
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:59,000
It was a double one.
A classic.
808
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,280
There was a lot of fear
about doing the next album
809
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,440
because it was
five times platinum,
810
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:08,800
because you've got
to now live up
811
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:10,280
to what you've created before.
812
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:13,200
"Face to Face"
813
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,040
was a real
three-part collaboration.
814
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:18,200
For me,
it started to fall apart
815
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:21,160
on the next album,
"No Exit".
816
00:40:23,720 --> 00:40:25,000
I don't know.
817
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:28,720
I don't even know
what Doc did with his time.
818
00:40:28,720 --> 00:40:31,080
He could strum
an instrument
819
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:34,840
but he wasn't,
by any means, a musician.
820
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:36,480
I mean, he had
musical inclinations,
821
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:38,360
but I don't
think he was...
822
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:40,360
I mean,
he wasn't as proficient
823
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:42,080
at guitar as
the Brewsters
824
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:43,840
and, you know, Rick
825
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:46,800
who's just
a consummate shredder.
826
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:50,600
There's always a threat
of knowing where you fit
827
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:51,800
or understanding
where you fit.
828
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:55,760
That can lead to insecurities.
829
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:58,280
Yeah, the new album,
of course, for the Angels
830
00:40:58,280 --> 00:40:59,560
is the important thing
831
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:01,440
on the scene at the moment
for the boys.
832
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:06,000
The Face to Facealbum, um,
at 75,000 copies, I believe?
833
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:07,240
- Apparently.
- John, yeah.
834
00:41:07,240 --> 00:41:08,480
Can you tell us a bit
about the album itself
835
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:09,880
and how long it took
836
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:11,240
and where you did it?
837
00:41:11,240 --> 00:41:14,520
Well, we, uh,
did it at Alberts,
838
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:16,240
the same place
we did Face to Face.
839
00:41:16,240 --> 00:41:18,200
We did it a little bit
differently to Face to Face.
840
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:21,800
We... uh, put amps
in different rooms
841
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:23,360
and the production's
a bit different.
842
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:26,920
Um... But we also
wrote all this...
843
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,200
Well, nearly all of the songs
on this in the studio,
844
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,440
which is a bit different
from Face to Faceagain
845
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:34,480
because most of that stuff
was written on the road.
846
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:35,800
So you had a bit of time
847
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:37,240
to sit down and think,
did you, this time?
848
00:41:37,240 --> 00:41:39,360
Yeah, we took about
two and a half months on it.
849
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:40,640
You're the quiet one
here, Rick.
850
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:45,480
You get involved sort of
with John and Doc
851
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:47,920
on the song writing side
of things or...
852
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:49,760
- Oh, yeah.
- Fairly heavily?
853
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:51,560
- Yes.
- Yeah, yeah.
854
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:53,560
- So the answer is yes.
- He's talkative.
855
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:54,640
How's Doc, anyway?
856
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:55,760
I haven't seen him
for a while.
857
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:57,440
I haven't seen him
for a while either.
858
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,000
Oh, I see,
so after a heavy night...
859
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,000
No, he's turned into
a bit of recluse these days.
860
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,680
Right. So tonight
at the Finsbury
861
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:04,760
and tomorrow night?
862
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:06,120
They would
come into the studio
863
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:07,800
with a song, finished.
864
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,080
And it was said to me
a couple of times,
865
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:12,040
"Shut up and play the drums."
866
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:13,840
Oh, that's me there,
so you've got a camera.
867
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:18,720
When Rick and I
were writing together,
868
00:42:18,720 --> 00:42:20,520
it was the most
creative time
869
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:22,720
and it was
an incredible relationship.
870
00:42:22,720 --> 00:42:25,800
Quite often, we would end up
hating each other
871
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:27,680
and they were
ridiculous arguments.
872
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:29,680
They went from
musical arguments
873
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:31,560
to personality shredding.
874
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:33,200
And people would go,
875
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:34,960
"Oh, my God, you know, the
band's about to break up."
876
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:36,440
And then half
an hour later,
877
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:38,840
we wouldn't even know
what we were talking about.
878
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:40,400
By the time
we walked out of the studio,
879
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,160
the little café across the road
was open
880
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:43,720
and people were going to work.
881
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:49,760
Coordination.
882
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:52,200
Can roll in...
883
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:53,680
John was driven.
884
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:55,560
He had a passion,
he had a vision.
885
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:58,200
He had loads
of self-confidence.
886
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:00,560
There was one agency
called Premier Artist
887
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:02,320
and they handled all the bands.
888
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:04,280
And there were
two managers.
889
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:06,000
John Woodruff
managed the Angels
890
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,520
and Rod Willis
managed Cold Chisel.
891
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:10,880
They worked out that
between those two bands
892
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:12,640
who were massive at the time,
893
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:15,040
that they were doing
half the business of the agency
894
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:17,120
but weren't gettingany
better deal than, you know,
895
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:19,040
all the other
hundred little tiny bands.
896
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:21,480
John Woodruff, Ray Hearn
and Rod Willis
897
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,560
took the Angels, Cold Chisel
and Flowers, or Icehouse,
898
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:26,960
I think by then, and formed
Dirty Pool Artists.
899
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:28,680
If you wanted
to book the Angels
900
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:30,280
or you wanted
to book Cold Chisel,
901
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:33,480
you had to go to the managers
and just do a deal.
902
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:35,960
It was just
really, nreally innovative for
the time.
903
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:37,880
Got a lot of the establishment
noses out of joint.
904
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:42,040
John Woodruff
came to the band and said,
905
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:43,960
"I can get you a deal
with Epic Records
906
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:45,600
where you get
more money."
907
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:48,040
Basically,
908
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:50,160
John Woodruff walked
into Alberts and said,
909
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:50,880
"We're leaving
the company."
910
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:54,200
I found out
when I was doing
911
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:56,280
"Choir Girl"
with Cold Chisel.
912
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:58,560
Went back to Alberts, said,
"What? What's going on?"
913
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:01,160
He said, "No,
they've decided to leave
914
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:03,840
and go to Epic Records,
915
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:05,520
which is part
of CBS Sony."
916
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:08,800
And I just
couldn't believe it.
917
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,760
Epic Records treated us
like pop stars.
918
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:19,240
Like the first time
we went to England,
919
00:44:19,240 --> 00:44:21,760
we had Bentleys
and we went to Lord's
920
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:23,280
and had cucumber sandwiches.
921
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:25,400
You know, the first time
we went to America,
922
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:27,280
you know, we were
into the main office
923
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:29,880
and we were
taken out to dinner.
924
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:32,000
And you're outnon the
road for months on end,
925
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,800
and pretty girls come
and things happen.
926
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:37,800
Particularly in America.
927
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,240
I had
a girlfriend, Kaye.
928
00:44:40,240 --> 00:44:42,520
I went through the whole
Angels experience
929
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:43,920
as Mr Monogamous.
930
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:47,280
I still had no idea
931
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:50,480
that people snorted
white powder.
932
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:53,440
In Los Angeles
we had an engineer.
933
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:56,320
I watched him
get a gram of coke
934
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:58,320
and on the
mixing console,
935
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:01,840
he put the whole gram out,
chopped one long line,
936
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:03,680
and just went up it
with a straw,
937
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:05,160
the whole gram.
938
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:06,160
Bang.
939
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:13,760
There was something
going on.
940
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:16,320
It was just starting to break.
941
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:17,600
KGON, I think,
942
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:19,120
was the radio station
in Portland.
943
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:20,800
They gave us
the keys to the city
944
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:22,120
and they put us
in their Hall of Fame.
945
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:23,320
We killed it.
946
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:25,560
The band were very,
very popular
947
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:27,600
in some parts of America.
948
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:30,520
Sometimes
when you tour with bands,
949
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:32,160
they greet you
with open arms
950
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:34,000
and other times
you're just like
951
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:36,880
something off
the bottom of their shoe.
952
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:39,680
We started
The Kinks tour in the areas
953
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:41,200
where we'd been before
954
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:43,120
and we were actually
quite successful.
955
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:44,920
Chicago we'd
been to before.
956
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,320
Seattle, Portland, Vancouver.
957
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:50,040
So when we turned up
with The Kinks,
958
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:52,240
there would've been
7,000 people there
959
00:45:52,240 --> 00:45:53,840
that knew who we were.
960
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:56,120
Poor old Ray Davies
didn't like that.
961
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:07,040
When we did our bit
962
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:08,840
and when Doc ran out
into the audience,
963
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:10,920
all the audience
went nuts and went,
964
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:13,360
"Hey, this is cool. You know,
these guys are great."
965
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:16,880
The Kinks' road crew
began putting tape
966
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:18,560
on each side of me
967
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:21,000
and I wasn't supposed to go
past that tape on the stage.
968
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:23,760
♪ Shadow boxer
969
00:46:25,240 --> 00:46:27,160
♪ Don't go
Walking out late...
970
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:29,520
Doc would
immediately go past it,
971
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:31,280
immediately
pissing them off.
972
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:32,640
When that
didn't work,
973
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:34,640
they started giving us
less lighting.
974
00:46:36,240 --> 00:46:37,760
And when
that didn't work,
975
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:41,120
they started actually
giving us less of the PA.
976
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:43,320
We were still
drawing encores.
977
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:46,320
♪ You might find that you
have turned to stone
978
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:48,360
It was very exciting for us,
of course.
979
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:52,640
♪ Shadow boxer
980
00:46:54,240 --> 00:46:56,080
♪ Shadow boxer
981
00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:58,960
♪ Yeah
982
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:02,840
Eventually,
dear old Ray had a hissy fit
983
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:04,240
and chucked us
off the tour.
984
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:10,920
I wouldn't put it past
Ray Davies, I'll tell ya.
985
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:13,400
It was an honour to get
tossed off that tour, probably.
986
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:14,760
Yeah.
987
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:16,480
It was an honour to be on
and get tossed off.
988
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:18,960
- That's right.
- Yeah.
989
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:20,360
Then "Marseilles" got on
990
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:23,080
178 radio stations
around the country.
991
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:24,480
I mean, you get on
radio in America,
992
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:26,040
and that's a big deal.
993
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:29,080
It's the largest record
buying public in the world.
994
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:30,960
Should have stayed
in the States longer.
995
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:33,240
Yeah, they should
have stayed in the States.
996
00:47:33,240 --> 00:47:34,280
I blame their management.
997
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:42,080
The Epic deal
that we signed
998
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:44,560
involved them
paying us an advance.
999
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:48,320
We used about $125,000
of that advance
1000
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:50,600
to buy out of a year
of contract with Alberts.
1001
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:52,640
We had to pay
all the legal bills
1002
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:54,120
and then we had to pay
the manager.
1003
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:56,040
By the time all those things
were done, we had no money left.
1004
00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:58,760
John Woodruff
1005
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:00,840
didn't actually
put the other side of it,
1006
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:03,240
which was "You'll have to pay
for your studio,
1007
00:48:03,240 --> 00:48:04,520
you have to pay
for your engineer,
1008
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:05,440
you'll have to pay
for your producer",
1009
00:48:06,720 --> 00:48:08,720
that we didn't have
to with Alberts.
1010
00:48:08,720 --> 00:48:12,360
Musicians tend to,
on the whole,
1011
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:16,040
go, when it works,
it was them.
1012
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:18,920
When it fails,
it was the manager.
1013
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:21,320
Woodruff probably felt,
to break America,
1014
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:25,000
you needed a multinational
like CBS or Warner,
1015
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:27,360
and he made,
I believe, the right call
1016
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:30,000
by virtue
of the fact that CBS
1017
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,040
had put a plan together
that'd break America.
1018
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:34,000
We were
sort of hell bent
1019
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:36,040
on what we were
doing creatively,
1020
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:38,680
that we went
along with this.
1021
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:40,320
You know,
and all of a sudden,
1022
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:43,640
we're out of Alberts,
we're on our own.
1023
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:46,120
And we'd lost the family,
you know.
1024
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:52,320
Buzz was certainly voicing
some frustration.
1025
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:54,960
I remember him saying to me,
"You guys won't use my songs."
1026
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:55,840
And I said, "What songs?"
1027
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:07,920
John Woodruffgot in
touch with me and said,
1028
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:09,520
"Oh, we still want you
to work on the albums
1029
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:11,080
to create the sounds,
1030
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:13,480
but we don't want you to be
a producer any more."
1031
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:14,800
I'm, like... I
said, "What?"
1032
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:17,400
you know,
"How does that work?"
1033
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:19,040
Warner Bros.
approached me and said,
1034
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:21,680
"Oh, can you come and do the
album with Cold Chisel?"
1035
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:23,760
An album
that was called "East".
1036
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:25,160
And I said, "Yeah".
1037
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:26,920
And so I just said,
1038
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:29,600
"Sorry, guys, I'm not
doing this any more.
1039
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:31,120
You've only got me down
as an engineer,
1040
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:32,360
so see you later."
1041
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:35,000
And walked off
the job, basically.
1042
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:35,960
I just told them
I was leaving.
1043
00:49:38,720 --> 00:49:40,840
Doc and Buzz
came to us
1044
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:43,000
with a song called
"No Secrets"
1045
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:44,240
which was a really
slow ballad.
1046
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:51,120
We had this...
1047
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:54,640
Well, basically, Rick and I
had a massive input
1048
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:57,240
into changing that song
into what it is today.
1049
00:49:57,240 --> 00:49:59,840
John first came up
with the riff
1050
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:01,320
which is the opening.
1051
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:03,000
Rick came up
with the chorus.
1052
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:04,280
So instead of being...
1053
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:09,200
♪ She keeps no secrets...
1054
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:11,400
It became...
1055
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:14,120
♪ She keeps no
She keeps no
1056
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:16,400
♪ She keeps no secrets from you
1057
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:17,840
See, I can sing.
1058
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:20,960
♪ Amanda the actress
waits at the station
1059
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:24,520
♪ She's drifting
With nothing to do
1060
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:27,840
♪ With dilettante steps
She's quick to accept...
1061
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:29,800
Because Buzz
was always carrying on
1062
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:32,600
about he never got credited
as a songwriter,
1063
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:34,240
that we decided,
1064
00:50:34,240 --> 00:50:36,880
"Don't worry about it, nwe're
not gonna claim anything.
1065
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:38,160
You guys have it."
1066
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:42,000
So it's down forever
as Bidstrup-Neeson.
1067
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:45,000
♪ She keeps no
She keeps no
1068
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:46,640
♪ She keeps no secrets...
1069
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:48,880
And so, boy,
that backfired.
1070
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:51,920
♪ She keeps no
She keeps no
1071
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:54,320
♪ She keeps no
Secrets from you...
1072
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:57,400
I was hoping that
co-writing and co-producing
1073
00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:02,040
their first top ten hit
might have actually led to,
1074
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:04,320
"Hey, you got any
more songs?" But it didn't.
1075
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:06,080
It was treated
as an aberration
1076
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:08,360
or as a lucky fluke
or something,
1077
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:09,160
I don't know.
1078
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:14,280
America
made a hybrid
1079
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:16,000
out of "Face to Face"
and "No Exit".
1080
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:19,720
So they took away a lot
of the depth of those albums.
1081
00:51:19,720 --> 00:51:22,600
And then Dark Room
sounded radically different
1082
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:24,640
to the American Face
to Face.
1083
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:26,160
And the record company
are going,
1084
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:29,560
"Well, it doesn't sound like...
they're not the same."
1085
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:32,280
It just
changed dramatically
1086
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:34,160
when the record
didn't take off.
1087
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:37,160
In London, you know,
we had to get the tube.
1088
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:41,400
There was no room for anyone
to get any external stimulus.
1089
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:44,720
It was all kind of focused
in on this five people.
1090
00:51:44,720 --> 00:51:47,080
You know, there was no...
You didn't have a life.
1091
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:49,120
And that's what started
to get to me.
1092
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:50,880
I just... I couldn't do
anything else
1093
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:53,480
and the thought of playing
with anybody else
1094
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:56,800
or recording with anybody else
was like a no-no.
1095
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:58,040
Like, you couldn't do it.
1096
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:01,920
John Woodruff,
he was our manager
1097
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:03,760
and I did have
this discussion with him
1098
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:05,480
with a snoot
full of cocaine
1099
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:08,120
in America where
I just said,
1100
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:10,840
"Man, why don't you
grow a pair
1101
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:13,880
and just go to them
and tell them
1102
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:15,440
that if they
don't consider
1103
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:17,920
at least some
kind of remuneration
1104
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:20,280
like other people do..."
Like it's not...
1105
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:23,240
I'm not asking for anything
out of the ordinary.
1106
00:52:23,240 --> 00:52:25,680
I'm just asking for
what other people get.
1107
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:28,280
And it was just basically
like, "Oh, well, you know.
1108
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:30,560
They're never gonna share
their song writing royalties
1109
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:32,760
so don't worry about it.
1110
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:34,800
You know,
don't even think about it."
1111
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:36,880
And that was probably,
you know,
1112
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:39,160
a week,
two weeks before I left.
1113
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:42,440
♪ Iceman, come in
From the cold
1114
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:45,200
When Buzz left the band,
I think we threw a party.
1115
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:47,720
♪ Sleep Walker,
fast talker
1116
00:52:47,720 --> 00:52:50,560
♪ Feels nothing
Dog eat dog
1117
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:53,440
♪ In the wasteland
That's where you belong
1118
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:57,640
Buzz was just
a fantastic drummer.
1119
00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:00,160
If I look back on it
with retrospect I'd say
1120
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:02,720
we should have tried
to make him happy.
1121
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:07,280
I think we thought,
"Oh, you know,
1122
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:09,920
we'll just get
another drummer in."
1123
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:12,280
Thirty-two different guys
turned up
1124
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:14,520
and none of them
were right.
1125
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:21,080
Now look at
the man behind the scenes.
1126
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:25,000
Mr Brent Eccles.
1127
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:27,120
- Oh, hello.
- The real deal.
1128
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:30,760
- Well, hello and welcome again.
- Let's see if we can
1129
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:33,560
get you into focus, Brent.
1130
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:36,960
Welcome again to
Opportunity Knocks.
1131
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:40,120
And the slogan
for this week is
1132
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:42,520
"Opportunity only
knocks twice."
1133
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:46,000
And our first contestant...
1134
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:47,840
Brent,
if I could just interrupt
1135
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:49,640
- you for a moment there?
- Yes.
1136
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:52,360
A band
is probably the worst
1137
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:56,120
business relationship
you could possibly have.
1138
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:57,520
And being the drummer
1139
00:53:57,520 --> 00:53:59,280
is probably right down
the very bottom,
1140
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:01,080
because you're not
writing the songs.
1141
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:03,640
You know, you weren't
an original member.
1142
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:05,400
You've come in as a...
as a hired hand.
1143
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:09,880
John Woodruff had a contract
and he said,
1144
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:11,840
"Because Buzz has gone,
you have to sign that
1145
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:13,280
you've taken his place."
1146
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:15,120
And I said, "No problem,
I'll sign the piece of paper,
1147
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:17,280
but I want
to read the contract."
1148
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:19,200
They said, "Oh, nah.
you can't, really."
1149
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:23,320
I said, "Well, I'm signing
a piece of paper
1150
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:25,960
that's agreeing to the terms
and conditions
1151
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:28,000
I can't even read.
I just want to read it."
1152
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:30,000
And John said,
"Yeah, okay."
1153
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:33,680
So, I spent the next two weeks
going through that contract,
1154
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:36,000
understanding
every clause.
1155
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:38,640
It was a very
complicated document
1156
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:41,080
and I ended up
understanding it totally.
1157
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:43,120
I've never forgotten
the stuff in it.
1158
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:46,040
It's set me up in my head
for how music works
1159
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:50,080
and how contracts work
for my entire life.
1160
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:55,640
When Buzz left,
Chris stayed in the band.
1161
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:57,280
You know, it was obvious
Chris wasn't happy.
1162
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:01,560
So we asked Jim
to join the band.
1163
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:16,040
I remember we used
to travel on the tour bus
1164
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:19,200
and I would go to bed
with my notebook
1165
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:23,360
and a guitar in this tiny
little bunk bed.
1166
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:27,240
And I'd be there for hours,
writing songs.
1167
00:55:27,240 --> 00:55:29,720
But I don't remember,
you know,
1168
00:55:29,720 --> 00:55:32,640
times like that, the three
of us sitting around.
1169
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:38,320
More and more
songs became
1170
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:41,920
either written by me
or written by me and John.
1171
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:45,240
I got sick of it.
1172
00:55:45,240 --> 00:55:46,480
I just said, "Nope.
1173
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:47,680
I want out.
1174
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:51,000
I want to put the credit
where it belongs."
1175
00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:00,000
Rick and John Brewster
being brothers
1176
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:02,480
had a wonderful
love/hate relationship.
1177
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:06,920
John was a bit of
a hypochondriac.
1178
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:09,160
He would always be
having heart attacks.
1179
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:13,240
The second day
we worked together,
1180
00:56:13,240 --> 00:56:15,760
John was lying
on the studio floor
1181
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:17,200
clutching his
chest saying,
1182
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:21,560
"Rick, Rick, I think
I'm having a heart attack."
1183
00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:23,640
And Rick calmly,
quite calmy,
1184
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:25,080
just stepped over
the top of him,
1185
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:26,360
looked at me and said,
1186
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:28,760
"We'd better do
my guitars now."
1187
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:30,160
It was a great moment.
I went,
1188
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:31,920
"Okay, I can work
with you guys."
1189
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:36,520
They
were cheerful,
1190
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:39,240
they were enthusiastic,
they were hopeful.
1191
00:56:39,240 --> 00:56:41,720
But there was an
underlying tension there.
1192
00:56:41,720 --> 00:56:45,200
None of these guys were as
young as they used to be.
1193
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:47,240
Recording vocals
in particular,
1194
00:56:47,240 --> 00:56:49,160
John and Rick
would both
1195
00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:50,840
act as producers
along with me.
1196
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:52,600
So there was a lot
of opinions in the room
1197
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:55,560
about what's right,
what's wrong.
1198
00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:58,360
Brent at this stage
was quite new to the band.
1199
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:00,840
He was very much
the drummer.
1200
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:06,240
John would, to an extent,
try and handle Doc.
1201
00:57:06,240 --> 00:57:10,040
He was just a bulldog.
He would not let things go.
1202
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:12,320
I recognise...
1203
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:13,680
So, to an extent
1204
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:17,120
Doc would just sort of go,
"Okay, fine.
1205
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:19,800
All right, all right, fine,
we'll do it that way."
1206
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:25,280
I'll get the last bag.
1207
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:28,880
Doc loved
to have fun.
1208
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:32,280
And that probably never
left him but...
1209
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:38,080
He drew away
from the rest of us
in the band, I think.
1210
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:43,280
That side of him,
if you ask other people
1211
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:45,560
who were friends,
1212
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:48,600
they'd probably say
it never went.
1213
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:52,520
I think for both
Bernard and I,
1214
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:56,960
it was a bit ofna superficial
industry, really.
1215
00:57:56,960 --> 00:58:00,920
Um, it was certainly an aspect
that I really didn't like
1216
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:03,120
and I think
for Bernard, similarly,
1217
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:07,440
he had to be
part of that.
1218
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:11,760
He would often stay behind
at gigs and sign autographs
1219
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:13,600
or he would
have to get up at two,
1220
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:14,920
three in the morning, whatever,
1221
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:17,760
to do a radio interview.
1222
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:20,720
Even after a gig,
1223
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:24,760
even though he'd put
110 % into his performance,
1224
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:26,640
he was still performing.
1225
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:29,720
He couldn't switch off.
1226
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:37,280
He just found some way to,
sort of, come down, relax.
1227
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:40,240
For him it was alcohol.
1228
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:46,160
It was a slow...
a slow change,
1229
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:48,280
but the more popular
the band became,
1230
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:50,960
the more the pressure
came as well.
1231
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:57,600
He just
didn't want to be
1232
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:01,640
corralled into
a specific thing
1233
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:03,880
and I think
he wanted a lot more
1234
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:06,680
artistic control
of his life.
1235
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:09,680
And I think that's what
part of the problem was.
1236
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:15,280
Bernard was
considered for the lead role
ofMad Max
1237
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:16,840
which eventually
went to Mel Gibson.
1238
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:20,520
It's not that
anybody knew
1239
00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:23,240
what it was going to involve
1240
00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:25,920
and how big it was going
to get potentially,
1241
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:28,040
but it was a feature role.
1242
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:31,120
But again it was
1243
00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:35,000
time that he couldn't give
to those projects
1244
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:38,440
because it was taking time
away from band life.
1245
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:45,080
He was making
ridiculous demands.
1246
00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:49,040
He needed to have
the sun on his left.
1247
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:51,280
And we used to say,
"What do you mean?"
1248
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:53,920
"When I wake up,
I want the sun on my left."
1249
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:56,600
No one ever worked it out.
1250
00:59:56,600 --> 00:59:58,600
And he started talking
in the third person.
1251
00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:00,880
"Doc needs to evolve."
1252
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:03,200
"Doc, you're talking
about yourself."
1253
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:06,840
"I know,
but Doc needs to evolve."
1254
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:09,640
We stopped
for breakfast.
1255
01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:12,240
He didn't sit with us,
but we saw him.
1256
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:16,240
Furious red face,
steam coming out of his ears.
1257
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:17,800
And at the top of his voice,
1258
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:20,720
"I asked for my eggs
to be near the toast.
1259
01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:22,960
They're touching!"
1260
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:24,480
He was dead serious.
1261
01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:27,280
He knew what he was doing.
1262
01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:29,400
You know, he'd sometimes...
1263
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:31,040
Sometimes when he'd be
at his worst,
1264
01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:32,320
he'd just give me a wink
and go...
1265
01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:34,080
Yeah, he'd know. He knew
exactly what he was doing.
1266
01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:36,000
He was playing games, you know?
1267
01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:41,080
People say he wasn't
one of the boys.
1268
01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:44,000
I just don't know that he had
a very good education
1269
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:46,200
in how to perform
in a group
1270
01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:49,760
because he was told
to police his family
1271
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:51,200
and be responsible
for them.
1272
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:55,600
He was the eldest.
There were five siblings,
1273
01:00:55,600 --> 01:00:57,880
four boys, one girl.
1274
01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:00,480
Money was a problem.
1275
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:04,360
Being the eldest even from a
very young age, under ten,
1276
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:07,280
was put in charge
of his siblings.
1277
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:09,400
He was responsible
for seeing
1278
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:12,520
that certain household duties
were done.
1279
01:01:12,520 --> 01:01:14,240
With six children,
I can imagine
1280
01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:16,200
there would have been
many a mutiny.
1281
01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:22,320
I'd say he had trouble
saying no
1282
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:24,720
in regards to hurting
people's feelings.
1283
01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:27,120
Saying no to the band,
who he'd spend,
1284
01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:28,640
you know, the majority
of his time with,
1285
01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:30,800
was probably the most
difficult thing.
1286
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:33,640
♪ Nobody came...
1287
01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:36,760
The possibility of
that whole band dissolving
1288
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:38,840
was very threatening
to other members
1289
01:01:38,840 --> 01:01:40,080
because that was
the family.
1290
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:43,560
I think he was torn.
1291
01:01:43,560 --> 01:01:48,120
♪ Dream of yesterday
1292
01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:51,680
♪ Fame
1293
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:55,520
♪ Fashion
1294
01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:00,720
♪ Fashion and fame
1295
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:07,480
If you'd played
your arse off
1296
01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:08,640
for a couple of hours
1297
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:11,120
in a sweaty pub,
you'd go back to the hotel,
1298
01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:13,640
you're not going to sleep
for two or three hours.
1299
01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:15,160
You know, we'd smoke
a bit of weed,
1300
01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:16,760
you know, hang out
with the road crew.
1301
01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:19,040
You know, there were
some moments with ecstasy
1302
01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:21,120
which was a lot of fun,
but all of us,
1303
01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:23,560
you know, wives
and girlfriends as well,
which was a lot of fun.
1304
01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:27,640
Yeah, we did it all,
but it wasn't to any excess,
1305
01:02:27,640 --> 01:02:29,920
you know,
so it's not really a story.
1306
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:40,040
In Los Angeles,
I went through a red light.
1307
01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:43,640
As I pulled over,
I was terrified.
1308
01:02:43,640 --> 01:02:46,160
They asked me
to step out of the car,
1309
01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:49,280
which is what they do
in America.
1310
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:53,040
And I was questioned by one cop.
1311
01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:56,160
And the other one shone
a flashlight in the car.
1312
01:02:56,160 --> 01:02:59,040
He came out
with a little brown bottle
1313
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:02,320
and he said, "Oh, it looks like
we've got some nose candy."
1314
01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:06,920
Bang. Face down on the pavement. Handcuffs.
1315
01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:08,320
No questioning.
1316
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:10,680
No interview. Nothing.
1317
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:15,040
Woodruff picked me up
in the morning
1318
01:03:15,040 --> 01:03:16,800
and took me
straight to a lawyer
1319
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:18,320
who was well known.
1320
01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:20,400
He said, "I don't want
to know the story,
1321
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:21,640
don't want to know
anything about it.
1322
01:03:21,640 --> 01:03:22,800
What do you want?"
1323
01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:25,120
"Well, I want to get off."
1324
01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:27,680
And he said,
1325
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:30,240
"Well, that's going
to cost you this much
1326
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:33,960
for 100% chance of getting off.
1327
01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:36,360
No conviction.
1328
01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:39,320
If you want 80%,
this will cost this much.
1329
01:03:39,320 --> 01:03:41,800
If you want 50%,
it'll cost this much."
1330
01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:43,920
I said, "I want 100%, please."
1331
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:48,640
When his marriage
broke up,
1332
01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:51,560
the rock and roll side
of Rick really came out.
1333
01:03:51,560 --> 01:03:54,560
Maybe secretly, he always
wanted to be a rock star,
1334
01:03:54,560 --> 01:03:55,720
I don't know.
1335
01:03:55,720 --> 01:03:58,320
But the fact
that all of a sudden
1336
01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:00,080
he was a multi-platinum
selling artist,
1337
01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:02,920
allowed him to do things
1338
01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:05,320
that he wouldn't allow
himself to do before.
1339
01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:11,160
John felt
very threatened by drugs.
1340
01:04:12,560 --> 01:04:14,880
He didn't like it at all.
1341
01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:17,720
It worried him. It scared him.
1342
01:04:19,640 --> 01:04:22,920
If you're talking
big brother, little brother,
1343
01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:26,040
when he got into cocaine, it
was a big alarm bell for me.
1344
01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:33,480
Um, you know, I grew up
with an alcoholic father.
1345
01:04:39,120 --> 01:04:41,280
I left home quite young.
1346
01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:44,120
But when I'd go and visit home,
1347
01:04:44,120 --> 01:04:47,320
it was apparent
that he was getting really bad.
1348
01:04:47,320 --> 01:04:51,840
Finding bottles
in the kitchen cupboards.
1349
01:04:51,840 --> 01:04:53,680
You know, he was hiding it.
1350
01:04:57,240 --> 01:05:00,280
Rick and I decided
that something had to be done
1351
01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:02,920
because he was getting
really worse and worse.
1352
01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:06,440
And, uh... We
just thought...
1353
01:05:06,440 --> 01:05:08,440
"We've got take Mum
out of the situation.
1354
01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:10,960
Uh, maybe it'll shock him
1355
01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:12,240
that he actually could
lose her."
1356
01:05:14,360 --> 01:05:17,800
He'd come home and he'd say,
"Where's your mother?"
1357
01:05:17,800 --> 01:05:21,400
And we'd just say,
"We're not telling you."
1358
01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:23,920
I don't know whether it was a
good thing to do or not, but...
1359
01:05:25,440 --> 01:05:26,800
We just said,
1360
01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:28,880
"We're not telling you
until you stop drinking."
1361
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:30,800
Three days later
he came home and I said to Rick,
1362
01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:31,600
"He's sober."
1363
01:05:33,120 --> 01:05:34,280
And he was.
1364
01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:39,960
He never had another drink...
1365
01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:43,120
for the rest of his life.
1366
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:52,800
It had to be
largely driven by John.
1367
01:05:52,800 --> 01:05:54,640
It certainly wasn't me.
1368
01:05:57,840 --> 01:06:00,280
That's the thing that I, um...
1369
01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:02,480
Did with the band too, you know.
1370
01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:07,120
I'd come up with the ideas
and we'd take it wherever it...
1371
01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:11,080
Uh, what am I trying to say?
1372
01:06:11,080 --> 01:06:13,280
Yes, I took control
of that situation.
1373
01:06:47,080 --> 01:06:49,880
One night, nBernard
was drinking on stage.
1374
01:06:51,800 --> 01:06:55,920
At the end of the gig,
Rick came up to me in tears
1375
01:06:55,920 --> 01:06:58,720
because he just felt
so distraught
1376
01:06:58,720 --> 01:07:03,840
at seeing this person who
normally was so in control.
1377
01:07:11,120 --> 01:07:14,000
I'm not the biggest fan
of the Angels.
1378
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:17,200
There's a certain part of
Australian violent suburbia
1379
01:07:17,200 --> 01:07:18,200
that I don't
really care for.
1380
01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:22,200
I had this early
recollection of him
1381
01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:26,200
as just a dad and then,
1382
01:07:26,200 --> 01:07:29,400
there was a time when he tried
to maintain that persona,
1383
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:32,800
but it was
completely undermined.
1384
01:07:32,800 --> 01:07:35,520
One thing I just have
not been experiencing before
1385
01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:36,880
is recognition.
1386
01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:39,840
And we've just done
our first date in Canberra
1387
01:07:39,840 --> 01:07:43,000
and I was in at the, uh...
1388
01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:45,720
The Institute
of Technology and Science
1389
01:07:45,720 --> 01:07:47,080
or whatever they call it,
1390
01:07:47,080 --> 01:07:49,680
and they've got fantastic things
and it's all, you know,
1391
01:07:49,680 --> 01:07:51,200
put your hands on
and see all these gadgets,
1392
01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:53,200
gyroscopes and lights flashing.
1393
01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:54,840
It's a great place to visit.
And I thought,
1394
01:07:54,840 --> 01:07:58,080
"Great, I'm visiting
during non-school, you know,
1395
01:07:58,080 --> 01:07:59,480
like, all the kids
are at school.
1396
01:07:59,480 --> 01:08:01,080
I'll be able
to just cruise through
1397
01:08:01,080 --> 01:08:02,200
and play
with all the toys here."
1398
01:08:02,200 --> 01:08:04,560
I noticed his mood
started to change
1399
01:08:04,560 --> 01:08:06,080
and he became
very agitated.
1400
01:08:06,080 --> 01:08:08,640
And then suddenly,
without warning,
1401
01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:10,880
we were being chased.
1402
01:08:12,280 --> 01:08:14,800
There must have been
40 school-aged children
1403
01:08:14,800 --> 01:08:16,520
running after
us, screaming.
1404
01:08:16,520 --> 01:08:18,240
And he picked
my younger brother up
1405
01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:19,960
and, sort of, flung him over
his shoulder
1406
01:08:19,960 --> 01:08:22,520
and I was being dragged along
by the hand.
1407
01:08:22,520 --> 01:08:24,280
He kicked open
a fire escape door and...
1408
01:08:25,440 --> 01:08:27,240
...there were
a big group of kids
1409
01:08:27,240 --> 01:08:28,960
having a cigarette
or something.
1410
01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:30,760
They were, like,
"Oh, my God, it's Doc!"
1411
01:08:32,520 --> 01:08:35,720
And I just saw his face melt
and he made, you know,
1412
01:08:35,720 --> 01:08:38,480
literally a sprint for the car
with us in tow.
1413
01:08:38,480 --> 01:08:41,560
Threw us in and the car
immediately became swarmed.
1414
01:08:45,840 --> 01:08:47,840
There's a quote
from you that said,
1415
01:08:47,840 --> 01:08:50,520
"I had the theory that people
go to the circus
1416
01:08:50,520 --> 01:08:53,040
- to watch
the trapeze artist die."
- Yes.
1417
01:08:53,040 --> 01:08:54,760
"They're really going
for blood."
1418
01:08:54,760 --> 01:08:55,880
- Yes.
- Yeah.
1419
01:08:55,880 --> 01:08:58,600
That's why you get
standing ovations,
1420
01:08:58,600 --> 01:09:01,440
because people
are kind of recognising
1421
01:09:01,440 --> 01:09:05,920
that you've been to the edge
of, what I saw was,
1422
01:09:05,920 --> 01:09:08,800
kind of, the dark potential
in the song.
1423
01:09:18,120 --> 01:09:20,480
♪ Obey the rules
1424
01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:25,640
♪ Do as you are instructed
1425
01:09:25,640 --> 01:09:29,360
♪ And don't ask questions
1426
01:09:35,760 --> 01:09:38,960
♪ Psychopath, young man
1427
01:09:38,960 --> 01:09:41,560
♪ Dedicated to efficiency
1428
01:09:41,560 --> 01:09:45,240
♪ 17, 28, 59
1429
01:09:45,240 --> 01:09:47,720
♪ Looks like
it's comin' down on me
1430
01:09:47,720 --> 01:09:51,360
♪ Down on me, down on me
Down on me
1431
01:09:54,560 --> 01:10:03,840
♪ Looks like
it's comin' down on me
1432
01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:07,400
♪ Down on me, down on me
Down on me
1433
01:10:10,480 --> 01:10:13,360
♪ Never so many
are watched by so few
1434
01:10:13,360 --> 01:10:15,320
♪ F or so long, by so much
1435
01:10:15,320 --> 01:10:16,800
♪ For big brother
1436
01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:18,520
♪ For so long, by so much
1437
01:10:18,520 --> 01:10:19,800
♪ For big brother
1438
01:10:19,800 --> 01:10:21,320
♪ For so long, by so much
1439
01:10:21,320 --> 01:10:23,000
♪ For big brother
1440
01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:24,560
♪ For so long, by so much
1441
01:10:24,560 --> 01:10:26,080
♪ For big brother
1442
01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:28,000
♪ For so long, by so much
1443
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:30,000
♪ For big brother
1444
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:38,720
♪ Looks like
it's comin' down on me
1445
01:10:38,720 --> 01:10:42,520
♪ Down on me, down on me
1446
01:10:42,520 --> 01:10:47,680
♪ Looks like
it's comin' down on me
1447
01:10:49,440 --> 01:10:51,760
♪ Looks like
it's comin' down on me
1448
01:10:51,760 --> 01:10:55,800
♪ Down on me, down on me
Down on me
1449
01:10:55,800 --> 01:10:58,160
♪ Down on me
1450
01:10:58,160 --> 01:11:04,280
♪ Down, Down,
Down, Down, Down
1451
01:11:05,120 --> 01:11:07,760
♪ Down on me
1452
01:11:39,800 --> 01:11:42,320
It was a starry night
1453
01:11:42,320 --> 01:11:45,600
and I asked the fans
to light their lighters.
1454
01:11:48,440 --> 01:11:50,080
From my perspective
1455
01:11:50,080 --> 01:11:52,160
it looked like I was,
sort of, watching
1456
01:11:52,160 --> 01:11:55,800
or seeing in front of the stage
right out to infinity.
1457
01:11:59,880 --> 01:12:04,960
Narara was the first time
Doc announced
that he was leaving.
1458
01:12:14,680 --> 01:12:18,160
I'd, sort of, felt that
we'd reached our peak
1459
01:12:18,160 --> 01:12:21,760
and this could be
a great souvenir
1460
01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:23,720
of that event and maybe
1461
01:12:23,720 --> 01:12:26,000
mark the end of my career
with The Angels.
1462
01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:46,440
Doc,
who said in the press
1463
01:12:46,440 --> 01:12:47,560
that he'd
never left The Angels,
1464
01:12:47,560 --> 01:12:48,960
actually left six times.
1465
01:12:51,040 --> 01:12:53,600
But we got him back every time.
1466
01:13:00,560 --> 01:13:02,960
Bernard and I
eventually separated
1467
01:13:02,960 --> 01:13:05,600
when the boys were young,
two and four years old.
1468
01:13:07,080 --> 01:13:08,880
You know,
people just grow apart
1469
01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:10,800
when there's
lots of separation.
1470
01:13:12,680 --> 01:13:16,120
You miss, absolutely miss
the family unit
1471
01:13:16,120 --> 01:13:18,760
because that's
what it was going to be
1472
01:13:18,760 --> 01:13:20,680
forever and a day and...
1473
01:13:20,680 --> 01:13:26,160
as hard as it was at the time,
you get on with stuff.
1474
01:13:26,160 --> 01:13:28,320
I mean, when you've got
two children that age,
1475
01:13:28,320 --> 01:13:30,040
you have to get on with stuff.
1476
01:13:37,320 --> 01:13:39,760
I started to realise
that we weren't making
the records
1477
01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:42,400
that we used to make.
1478
01:13:42,400 --> 01:13:47,680
'83 we lost the deal
with Epic, uh, worldwide.
1479
01:13:53,200 --> 01:13:56,000
Still, we were
a very close unit,
1480
01:13:56,000 --> 01:13:58,880
still ever hopeful
that we would break
1481
01:13:58,880 --> 01:14:00,600
around the world, um...
1482
01:14:02,160 --> 01:14:05,280
John, how the hell are you?
1483
01:14:05,280 --> 01:14:08,360
We were so excitedthat
we finally got a new deal
1484
01:14:08,360 --> 01:14:11,320
and we were going to
recordsomewhere outside of Australia.
1485
01:14:12,360 --> 01:14:14,680
We said to John Woodruff,
1486
01:14:14,680 --> 01:14:17,520
"Look, we'll record anywhere
except LA."
1487
01:14:17,520 --> 01:14:19,840
We ended up
recording in LA.
1488
01:14:19,840 --> 01:14:24,160
An album we could have
made for $60,000 Australian
1489
01:14:24,160 --> 01:14:26,520
ended up costing
us $450,000.
1490
01:14:26,520 --> 01:14:29,880
And it started us on
a path of massive debt.
1491
01:14:33,320 --> 01:14:35,040
And the only way
to work that debt off
1492
01:14:35,040 --> 01:14:36,880
was to play every gig
1493
01:14:36,880 --> 01:14:38,720
from here to Timbuktu
in Australia.
1494
01:14:40,440 --> 01:14:42,680
So we toured and toured
and toured.
1495
01:14:42,680 --> 01:14:44,320
We're coming back to the, uh,
1496
01:14:44,320 --> 01:14:47,720
Shellharbour RSL
for a few drinks
1497
01:14:47,720 --> 01:14:50,400
and a couple of, uh,
rounds on the poker machines.
1498
01:14:50,400 --> 01:14:53,040
We should have stayed
in the States. We should have
stayed there, you know?
1499
01:14:53,040 --> 01:14:54,560
"We're not going back
to Australia.
1500
01:14:54,560 --> 01:14:56,680
We're staying here.
We're going to
make this happen."
1501
01:14:56,680 --> 01:14:58,440
We let that opportunity go,
I think.
1502
01:15:06,480 --> 01:15:09,360
I was pretty keen on
approaching Alberts again
1503
01:15:09,360 --> 01:15:11,760
and going back to Harry Vanda
and George Young, and...
1504
01:15:11,760 --> 01:15:14,920
It's not to say that my ideas
were right, by the way,
1505
01:15:14,920 --> 01:15:17,200
but it was like
no one wanted to listen.
1506
01:15:19,960 --> 01:15:23,880
John's a self-confessed
control freak
1507
01:15:23,880 --> 01:15:28,200
which, you know,
it's a good thing in some ways
1508
01:15:28,200 --> 01:15:31,360
to have someone, you know,
1509
01:15:31,360 --> 01:15:35,120
at the helm, so to speak. Uh...
1510
01:15:36,520 --> 01:15:40,880
But... really annoying.
1511
01:15:40,880 --> 01:15:44,880
Especially as a brother
who's grown up with that.
1512
01:15:47,800 --> 01:15:51,720
And it eventually affected
everyone in the band.
1513
01:15:54,840 --> 01:15:59,480
I think
because Rick had started
1514
01:15:59,480 --> 01:16:03,000
a new relationship with
quite a flamboyant girl,
1515
01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:05,520
who was bringing
a different side to Rick out,
1516
01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:08,240
he wanted to break away
from that control.
1517
01:16:10,600 --> 01:16:12,920
I made
a really stupid mistake
1518
01:16:12,920 --> 01:16:14,720
in going to
Rick's ex-wife.
1519
01:16:14,720 --> 01:16:19,400
Um, and, she called me
and I went round there.
1520
01:16:19,400 --> 01:16:21,480
And I think
I overstepped the mark
1521
01:16:21,480 --> 01:16:22,840
and said some things that I...
1522
01:16:22,840 --> 01:16:24,480
That she then told Rick.
1523
01:16:26,640 --> 01:16:29,240
And I think that was probably
the final straw for Rick.
1524
01:16:31,480 --> 01:16:33,600
If John was
honest with himself,
1525
01:16:33,600 --> 01:16:36,160
he was probably trying
to fold it up.
1526
01:16:37,680 --> 01:16:40,000
I wouldn't turn up
for sound checks
1527
01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:41,880
and I'd go out
on the golf course
instead of doing 'em.
1528
01:16:41,880 --> 01:16:43,400
I mean, they did a film clip
1529
01:16:43,400 --> 01:16:45,600
and they had to put me
in it from another film clip.
1530
01:16:49,360 --> 01:16:51,720
John Brewster
was a very needy man.
1531
01:16:51,720 --> 01:16:54,880
He needed to know
that you appreciated
1532
01:16:54,880 --> 01:16:58,120
all the hard work
that he had put into it,
1533
01:16:58,120 --> 01:17:00,600
that he had co-written
so many great songs
and driven us...
1534
01:17:00,600 --> 01:17:03,520
He drove the band
from Adelaide to Sydney.
1535
01:17:03,520 --> 01:17:05,840
He wanted you
to appreciate that.
1536
01:17:05,840 --> 01:17:08,480
And I'm sure we all did
but there's a time where you go
1537
01:17:08,480 --> 01:17:12,520
"Well, okay, we do, but now
we're on to another thing here.
1538
01:17:12,520 --> 01:17:15,320
We need to put a whole lot
of energy into this."
1539
01:17:15,320 --> 01:17:18,800
I think he misread it.
Well, I don't know what it was.
1540
01:17:18,800 --> 01:17:21,680
I feel there were other things
in play in his life.
1541
01:17:21,680 --> 01:17:25,480
I got accused by him
of coming back to Australia,
1542
01:17:25,480 --> 01:17:29,960
because I cared about my family
more than I did about the...
The band.
1543
01:17:33,640 --> 01:17:35,320
Fuck, what?
1544
01:17:35,320 --> 01:17:38,760
I cared about my family
more than the band?
Well, excuse me.
1545
01:17:38,760 --> 01:17:42,400
Yeah, I did, but he reckoned
that I pulled the band
out of America
1546
01:17:42,400 --> 01:17:46,760
so that I'd be there
for the birth of my second son.
1547
01:17:46,760 --> 01:17:48,560
- Was it true?
- Fuck, no.
1548
01:17:49,520 --> 01:17:50,760
No.
1549
01:17:50,760 --> 01:17:54,400
No, it was because the band...
We were going...
1550
01:17:54,400 --> 01:17:57,240
We were going
to have babies in houses
we didn't own any more.
1551
01:17:58,080 --> 01:17:59,040
It was that bad.
1552
01:18:03,840 --> 01:18:06,720
I just remember a time
when we were on a plane
1553
01:18:06,720 --> 01:18:10,240
and Rick was sitting beside
meand I was talking to him about
1554
01:18:10,240 --> 01:18:12,560
what I thought
we should do.
1555
01:18:12,560 --> 01:18:15,680
And I realised that
he was sitting there
1556
01:18:15,680 --> 01:18:20,640
and I don't think he was
evenregistering that I was talking.
1557
01:18:20,640 --> 01:18:23,360
I realised that
the connection was gone
1558
01:18:23,360 --> 01:18:26,240
and when I think
what we used to go through
1559
01:18:26,240 --> 01:18:29,360
in our song writing
and those wonderful times
1560
01:18:29,360 --> 01:18:32,240
that we used to stay up
all night in the studio,
1561
01:18:32,240 --> 01:18:34,800
smoke a couple of joints,
walk across the road,
1562
01:18:34,800 --> 01:18:37,800
pick up finger buns,
Kit Kats and milkshakes...
1563
01:18:37,800 --> 01:18:40,560
When I realisedI was
talking to a blank wall,
1564
01:18:41,760 --> 01:18:43,400
I knew we were in big trouble.
1565
01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:52,200
We all knew exactly
why we were there,
except John.
1566
01:18:53,840 --> 01:18:56,880
Doc said he would do it.
1567
01:18:58,400 --> 01:19:01,600
And he just started a long...
1568
01:19:04,320 --> 01:19:05,280
talk about...
1569
01:19:07,240 --> 01:19:11,080
what was going on
in the band and,
you know, nothing specific.
1570
01:19:12,320 --> 01:19:15,760
Until eventually, I said,
1571
01:19:15,760 --> 01:19:19,440
"For Christ's sake.
We want you to leave the band."
1572
01:19:42,120 --> 01:19:43,000
Just give me a minute.
1573
01:19:48,120 --> 01:19:52,080
Because I could see,
John was confused.
1574
01:19:54,960 --> 01:19:56,520
He had no inkling.
1575
01:19:57,920 --> 01:19:59,680
And then it was like a rock.
1576
01:20:01,640 --> 01:20:04,760
And he just got up and left.
1577
01:20:17,440 --> 01:20:19,680
Looks like
it's really serious.
1578
01:20:19,680 --> 01:20:23,520
Incredibly fucking serious.
1579
01:20:23,520 --> 01:20:26,800
When John left the band,
the feeling of relief
was phenomenal.
1580
01:20:26,800 --> 01:20:30,680
We were happy,
we were having fun.
1581
01:20:30,680 --> 01:20:35,440
We were doing things
we didn't normally do
and Bob Spencer came in.
1582
01:20:35,440 --> 01:20:40,920
I leapt on the freedom
of the band without John
1583
01:20:40,920 --> 01:20:45,440
and working with someone
new, writing songs with Bob Spencer.
1584
01:20:45,440 --> 01:20:49,080
But there was always that
nagging feeling that, you know,
1585
01:20:49,080 --> 01:20:52,720
we've lost that guy
who would go and spend hours
1586
01:20:52,720 --> 01:20:56,760
at the agency looking
at the calendar and going,
1587
01:20:56,760 --> 01:21:00,120
"We've got a hole here.
Fill it."
1588
01:21:00,120 --> 01:21:05,760
You know, that leader side
of John had gone.
1589
01:21:09,280 --> 01:21:10,160
It hurt.
1590
01:21:29,640 --> 01:21:32,440
When I was
in The Party Boys,
we released a cover.
1591
01:21:32,440 --> 01:21:35,680
It was John Kongos'
song, n"He's Gonna Step On You
Again"
1592
01:21:35,680 --> 01:21:40,920
and a moment of...
...sheer joy for me,
it's a nasty joy,
1593
01:21:40,920 --> 01:21:43,920
was that the Angels released
a cover at the same time.
1594
01:21:43,920 --> 01:21:46,960
The Angels song rose
to number four in the charts
1595
01:21:46,960 --> 01:21:50,840
and we leaped over them
to number one and I went, "Yes!"
1596
01:21:55,440 --> 01:22:01,200
I think our dad dying had some
role in it too, somehow.
1597
01:22:01,200 --> 01:22:04,680
We wanted to win with
the band to impress him
1598
01:22:04,680 --> 01:22:06,560
and suddenly he wasn't there
any more.
1599
01:22:06,560 --> 01:22:08,440
I think maybe
he was kind of a bit,
1600
01:22:08,440 --> 01:22:11,720
in a funny way,
the glue that kept us together.
1601
01:22:11,720 --> 01:22:15,920
And when he died,
that glue kind of disappeared.
1602
01:22:20,800 --> 01:22:24,000
When he eventually
gave up drinking,
1603
01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:26,200
he did change.
1604
01:22:26,200 --> 01:22:28,920
He was just
a really friendly guy.
1605
01:22:30,920 --> 01:22:33,960
Not long before he died,
he called me and he said,
1606
01:22:33,960 --> 01:22:35,640
"Son, I've been listening
to your music,"
1607
01:22:35,640 --> 01:22:36,880
and I nearly fell over
1608
01:22:36,880 --> 01:22:40,600
because I didn't think
he would ever do that.
1609
01:22:40,600 --> 01:22:43,320
And he said,
"You know, it's very good."
1610
01:22:44,920 --> 01:22:48,440
That was a massive
compliment from him.
1611
01:22:57,840 --> 01:22:59,080
That's John Brewster.
1612
01:23:02,560 --> 01:23:04,600
Just arrived?
Yeah.
1613
01:23:04,600 --> 01:23:06,720
- Hello, John.
- Frank.
1614
01:23:06,720 --> 01:23:09,520
So you would say
it has made a new man of you?
1615
01:23:11,560 --> 01:23:15,320
It was about five years in
and I just woke up one day
and I went,
1616
01:23:15,320 --> 01:23:17,040
"This is wrong, this is wrong.
He's my brother."
1617
01:23:18,480 --> 01:23:20,840
So I called him.
1618
01:23:23,120 --> 01:23:24,080
And uh...
1619
01:23:25,040 --> 01:23:26,720
And...
1620
01:23:26,720 --> 01:23:28,480
I think my words were
pretty much exactly like this,
I said,
1621
01:23:28,480 --> 01:23:32,320
"Rick, you know,
when we see each other," I said,
1622
01:23:32,320 --> 01:23:35,160
"We're friendly." I said,
"But there's a wall between us
1623
01:23:35,160 --> 01:23:36,760
and I want to kick
that wall down."
1624
01:23:38,800 --> 01:23:42,560
We didn't talk about
working together again.
1625
01:23:42,560 --> 01:23:46,480
We just talked
about being friends.
1626
01:23:46,480 --> 01:23:50,040
And I realised how many things
had gone back to childhood
for him.
1627
01:23:50,040 --> 01:23:53,440
And I think
a lot of the problems
that we... that ended up...
1628
01:24:01,000 --> 01:24:06,800
being a big problem was that
I was his big brother.
1629
01:24:10,720 --> 01:24:13,360
And I don't think
he wanted a big brother
at that time in his life.
1630
01:24:22,120 --> 01:24:25,840
After years and years of travel,
we've got our bags down
1631
01:24:25,840 --> 01:24:27,000
to about three or four each.
1632
01:24:28,800 --> 01:24:30,880
Throughout my whole
time playing in the Angels,
1633
01:24:30,880 --> 01:24:34,920
I was always wanting
to meet people in the business.
1634
01:24:34,920 --> 01:24:38,720
And the fact that I wasin the
band meant that I could.
1635
01:24:38,720 --> 01:24:41,640
I think what happened
with the Angels
and John Woodruff was
1636
01:24:41,640 --> 01:24:44,320
the band wore him down.
1637
01:24:44,320 --> 01:24:46,680
There aren't many managers
who've signed a band
1638
01:24:46,680 --> 01:24:49,800
to three major international
record companies.
1639
01:24:49,800 --> 01:24:51,760
At some point,
you've got to go,
1640
01:24:51,760 --> 01:24:53,960
"Well, the managerwas pretty
good. Maybe the band didn't bac
him up."
1641
01:24:55,080 --> 01:24:56,400
He bailed out.
1642
01:24:56,400 --> 01:24:58,800
Rick and Doc said to me,
"Brent, do you want to do it?"
1643
01:24:58,800 --> 01:24:59,920
I said, "Yes, I'll do it."
1644
01:25:05,320 --> 01:25:10,000
I think the biggest
change in the music
was it got faster.
1645
01:25:10,000 --> 01:25:13,360
And there were times
when I felt,
1646
01:25:13,360 --> 01:25:16,720
"Shit, I wish John was here."
1647
01:25:16,720 --> 01:25:21,760
Between the two of us,
we would've put a stop
to that but, um,
1648
01:25:21,760 --> 01:25:24,640
me on my own, no.
1649
01:25:26,720 --> 01:25:30,080
Bob Spencer
was someone else who
really always wanted to have
1650
01:25:30,080 --> 01:25:33,360
his own thing going
and he sat me and Rick down
one day at my house
1651
01:25:33,360 --> 01:25:35,680
and said, "I'm gonna leave
and start my own band."
1652
01:25:38,520 --> 01:25:40,360
Rick said, "I think
we should get John back."
1653
01:25:43,000 --> 01:25:45,200
John always
felt, you know,
1654
01:25:45,200 --> 01:25:49,200
I don't think
he particularly liked
that I was managing it.
1655
01:25:49,200 --> 01:25:52,000
Actually Brent
wasnpretty damn good at it but, uh,
1656
01:25:52,000 --> 01:25:54,800
in terms of how the business
structure happened,
1657
01:25:54,800 --> 01:25:56,520
I was never let back in.
1658
01:25:58,520 --> 01:26:01,440
And that was, I think,
pretty shameful, really.
1659
01:26:03,640 --> 01:26:05,520
But we all have
our opinions, you know.
1660
01:26:08,200 --> 01:26:10,880
The band got back
that thing it had when
1661
01:26:10,880 --> 01:26:13,800
the two Brewsters
played together.
We got that back.
1662
01:26:13,800 --> 01:26:16,320
They played
at a place in Adelaide
called The Bridgeway
1663
01:26:16,320 --> 01:26:19,480
and it was packed and the lights
were sort of red and the smoke
1664
01:26:19,480 --> 01:26:21,120
and there was, like,
sweat dripping from the roof.
1665
01:26:22,760 --> 01:26:25,240
There was this element of fear,
1666
01:26:25,240 --> 01:26:27,560
like with the Brewster brothers
just holding...
1667
01:26:27,560 --> 01:26:29,720
Just holding the poses.
1668
01:26:29,720 --> 01:26:33,640
And then with Doc
at the front being this huge, intimidating...
1669
01:26:33,640 --> 01:26:36,240
It's like I'd walked
into some weird cult.
1670
01:26:36,240 --> 01:26:38,280
If our lives
depended on it, watch out.
1671
01:26:38,280 --> 01:26:42,600
We would just
wipe the floor. But...
1672
01:26:42,600 --> 01:26:46,040
...there were issues.
1673
01:26:52,880 --> 01:26:55,840
The one person that got
fucked up with drugs,
1674
01:26:55,840 --> 01:26:58,720
they were legal
and they were prescribed
1675
01:26:58,720 --> 01:27:01,000
by psychologists to Doc Neeson.
1676
01:27:05,840 --> 01:27:08,440
And we'd have Doc World,
which was a tent on stage
1677
01:27:08,440 --> 01:27:13,600
and it was an array of
tablets and mouthwash and
alcohol in there.
1678
01:27:13,600 --> 01:27:15,960
He'd arrive at the show,
go straight to the tent.
1679
01:27:15,960 --> 01:27:19,240
He wouldn't talk to us.
He'd just appear
and come on for the first song.
1680
01:27:23,080 --> 01:27:26,320
We once went
to an Al-Anon meeting.
1681
01:27:26,320 --> 01:27:29,040
You know, we thought
we were going to find
some magic solution,
1682
01:27:29,040 --> 01:27:31,920
you know, for Doc because
we cared about him, you know.
1683
01:27:31,920 --> 01:27:33,920
He was driving us mad,
but we cared about him.
1684
01:27:45,280 --> 01:27:47,880
We all have to deal
with a lot of darkness.
1685
01:27:51,040 --> 01:27:54,760
And I guess I was trying
to express that emotion.
1686
01:27:57,640 --> 01:27:59,640
I did come to a point
where I thought,
1687
01:28:01,200 --> 01:28:02,720
"This is taking me over."
1688
01:28:07,720 --> 01:28:09,640
♪ Hurry, Alexander
1689
01:28:11,680 --> 01:28:13,480
♪ They're waiting for you
1690
01:28:17,520 --> 01:28:19,440
♪ Alexander,
just look at yourself
1691
01:28:19,440 --> 01:28:21,760
♪ How many times
have I spoken to you?
1692
01:28:23,240 --> 01:28:24,680
♪ Every time is
the same, Alex
1693
01:28:24,680 --> 01:28:26,400
♪ That you don't have
enough time and you hurry
1694
01:28:26,400 --> 01:28:29,680
♪ You hurry to get up
You hurry to get
to work
1695
01:28:29,680 --> 01:28:32,320
♪ Do your job properly
so you can earn some money
1696
01:28:32,320 --> 01:28:34,000
♪ Alexander, you give
everything away
1697
01:28:34,000 --> 01:28:35,880
♪ What have you got they're
gonna ask you one day for?
1698
01:28:37,800 --> 01:28:38,720
♪ PIN numbers
1699
01:28:39,640 --> 01:28:40,760
♪ They want your
1700
01:28:40,760 --> 01:28:42,080
♪ I guess they want
your weight
1701
01:28:42,080 --> 01:28:43,720
♪ They want
your registration number
1702
01:28:43,720 --> 01:28:47,440
♪ Alexander, when they ask you
you're gonna have nothing
1703
01:28:47,440 --> 01:28:49,160
The depression,
that was...
1704
01:28:50,520 --> 01:28:52,320
It was him with
his demons.
1705
01:28:52,320 --> 01:28:55,240
I've read a few
of his diaries
from when he was younger
1706
01:28:55,240 --> 01:28:58,400
and he was
incredibly self-loathing.
1707
01:28:58,400 --> 01:29:01,320
When people have
imposter syndrome,
1708
01:29:01,320 --> 01:29:03,640
they have characters
that they draw on
1709
01:29:03,640 --> 01:29:07,120
because dealing with themselves
is the worst feeling ever.
1710
01:29:41,440 --> 01:29:42,840
When he had
his accident,
1711
01:29:42,840 --> 01:29:45,560
his doctor told him that
if he went on stage,
1712
01:29:45,560 --> 01:29:47,560
his spine could snap
1713
01:29:47,560 --> 01:29:51,200
and he could be
a paraplegic, you know.
1714
01:29:51,200 --> 01:29:54,320
Whether he used that
as an excuse
1715
01:29:54,320 --> 01:29:57,320
to not play with the band,
it might have been.
1716
01:29:57,320 --> 01:29:58,360
Don't know.
1717
01:30:32,760 --> 01:30:36,920
He rang me up
and he said to me,
1718
01:30:36,920 --> 01:30:40,880
"Bob, you'd better
get your suit pressed."
1719
01:30:40,880 --> 01:30:42,840
And I said, "What?"
1720
01:30:42,840 --> 01:30:45,680
He said, "Yes,
you're going to a funeral.
I'm going to die."
1721
01:30:47,840 --> 01:30:49,840
Well, I was a bit floored
by that,
1722
01:30:49,840 --> 01:30:52,400
and he told me about
this terrible brain cancer
that he had.
1723
01:30:56,440 --> 01:30:59,840
The last time I ever saw him,
I walked out of the...
1724
01:30:59,840 --> 01:31:05,160
We spent many hours,
a group of us, in his room.
1725
01:31:05,160 --> 01:31:08,800
And I walked away
and Dzintra had arrived.
1726
01:31:08,800 --> 01:31:11,960
And as I walked away, I
turned back and looked through
the door.
1727
01:31:19,200 --> 01:31:21,560
And they were framed.
1728
01:31:21,560 --> 01:31:24,720
Him sitting up in bed,
her talking to him.
1729
01:31:27,960 --> 01:31:29,200
That was my last image.
1730
01:31:44,200 --> 01:31:45,920
After he'd
passed away,
1731
01:31:45,920 --> 01:31:49,760
I found a letter that
he'd written.
1732
01:31:49,760 --> 01:31:51,920
It was a letter to himself
1733
01:31:51,920 --> 01:31:53,720
and I think it was either
1734
01:31:53,720 --> 01:31:56,160
when myself or my brother
was born.
1735
01:31:56,160 --> 01:31:58,400
And it said something
along the lines of, you know,
1736
01:31:58,400 --> 01:32:00,360
"I've got this beautiful boy
with his blue eyes
1737
01:32:00,360 --> 01:32:03,840
and all I want to do
is be at home with him."
1738
01:32:03,840 --> 01:32:06,400
And, you know,
he really wanted to,
1739
01:32:06,400 --> 01:32:10,080
but obviously, the job,
the fame, the band,
1740
01:32:10,080 --> 01:32:13,200
um, it was really,
really difficult to do.
1741
01:32:18,760 --> 01:32:24,320
I rang him when he was
in hospital close to the end.
1742
01:32:24,320 --> 01:32:30,600
And I just rang him
because I wanted to spend
five minutes reminiscing.
1743
01:32:30,600 --> 01:32:35,280
And he said,
"No, I've got to go."
1744
01:32:37,280 --> 01:32:39,720
And I tried to call back,
but never got through.
1745
01:32:42,960 --> 01:32:44,160
Five take one.
And mark.
1746
01:32:45,160 --> 01:32:46,080
Thank you.
1747
01:32:49,080 --> 01:32:54,880
Once he'd said he wanted
to leave, that kind of stuck,
that feeling.
1748
01:32:54,880 --> 01:32:56,920
- The last time?
- No.
1749
01:32:56,920 --> 01:33:00,040
- From the beginning.
From Narara.
- Oh, any times? Yeah. Yeah.
1750
01:33:00,040 --> 01:33:04,480
Uh, and I think
it wasn't too long after that
1751
01:33:04,480 --> 01:33:07,960
before he felt that
he wanted to leave again.
1752
01:33:07,960 --> 01:33:13,040
I don't think he was happy
in the band from before Narara.
1753
01:33:13,040 --> 01:33:15,000
- Yeah, maybe.
1754
01:33:15,000 --> 01:33:22,120
And I think that's sad
that he never was able
to really see himself,
1755
01:33:22,120 --> 01:33:24,960
- the strengths that he had.
- Hm.
1756
01:33:24,960 --> 01:33:27,920
Because he might have
just continued
1757
01:33:27,920 --> 01:33:30,240
- to wear
the whitest outfit and...
1758
01:33:30,240 --> 01:33:33,400
...stand at the mic and do
the great things that he did.
1759
01:33:33,400 --> 01:33:34,640
Yeah, well, I mean,
1760
01:33:34,640 --> 01:33:37,560
- lots of things contribute to...
1761
01:33:37,560 --> 01:33:42,360
...the band not realising
what we could've realised
overseas but, um...
1762
01:33:42,360 --> 01:33:43,960
But at the end
of the day,
1763
01:33:43,960 --> 01:33:47,560
I'm speaking for myself
and, you know, I love Doc.
1764
01:33:47,560 --> 01:33:49,960
I love the memory of Doc.
1765
01:33:49,960 --> 01:33:51,200
But, fuck, he
was difficult.
1766
01:33:54,880 --> 01:33:57,400
We've had marriages break down
1767
01:33:57,400 --> 01:34:00,480
and then relationships
within the band break down,
1768
01:34:00,480 --> 01:34:03,080
- including
our own relationship...
- Really?
1769
01:34:03,080 --> 01:34:06,640
...that broke down.
But you know what? Doc actually
said it in an interview,
1770
01:34:06,640 --> 01:34:09,000
you know, there's a really good,
good comment he made
1771
01:34:09,000 --> 01:34:10,720
talking about the band, he said,
1772
01:34:10,720 --> 01:34:12,720
"It's not easy being
in a rock and roll band."
1773
01:34:21,520 --> 01:34:23,000
I'd talk about
1774
01:34:23,000 --> 01:34:25,600
how the planets
were aligning for a moment
1775
01:34:25,600 --> 01:34:28,040
to successfully get up to
the top of Mount Everest.
1776
01:34:30,400 --> 01:34:33,600
Base camp was breaking
in Australia
the way that they did.
1777
01:34:33,600 --> 01:34:37,640
The second part was signing
to CBS and touring America
and Europe.
1778
01:34:38,920 --> 01:34:42,040
That was their window.
1779
01:34:42,040 --> 01:34:46,080
They almost got to the top,
but didn't quite reach
the summit.
1780
01:34:46,080 --> 01:34:48,960
That's the cruel thing
about our industry
1781
01:34:48,960 --> 01:34:52,240
because rarely do you
get a second chance.
1782
01:34:52,240 --> 01:34:54,040
So they mightn't
have helped themselves
1783
01:34:54,040 --> 01:34:55,840
but they certainly
broke down the doors
1784
01:34:55,840 --> 01:34:59,800
for artists like INXS
and Men At Work
and bands like that
1785
01:34:59,800 --> 01:35:04,640
that came after them
and learned from
the experiences they had
1786
01:35:04,640 --> 01:35:07,920
and had more knowledge
than we had,
1787
01:35:07,920 --> 01:35:10,840
because we were too busy
just kicking
the fucking door down.
1788
01:35:24,960 --> 01:35:30,280
♪ Deal me the card
that takes my blues away
1789
01:35:30,280 --> 01:35:32,120
♪ Take me away
to Marseilles
1790
01:35:32,120 --> 01:35:33,680
♪ Take me
1791
01:35:33,680 --> 01:35:35,400
♪ Take me away
to Marseilles
1792
01:35:35,400 --> 01:35:37,320
♪ Take me
1793
01:35:37,320 --> 01:35:39,400
♪ Take me away
to Marseilles
1794
01:35:39,400 --> 01:35:40,960
♪ Take me
1795
01:35:40,960 --> 01:35:45,400
♪ I want to go
to Marseilles
1796
01:35:52,400 --> 01:35:53,800
♪ Take my blues away
1797
01:36:03,360 --> 01:36:06,040
♪ Yeah, take me away
to Marseilles
1798
01:37:00,720 --> 01:37:02,200
All right!
1799
01:37:46,680 --> 01:37:52,280
Angels! Angels! Angels! Angels!
1800
01:38:26,960 --> 01:38:28,920
It's an interesting thing
in your life
1801
01:38:28,920 --> 01:38:31,960
to be a part of something
which is so incandescent.
1802
01:38:31,960 --> 01:38:36,720
You know, life is so...
it can be so bland.
1803
01:38:36,720 --> 01:38:41,160
And then
you've got this moment
of pure incandescence
1804
01:38:41,160 --> 01:38:44,840
and it permeated
every aspect of our lives
and it was just wonderful.
1805
01:38:50,960 --> 01:38:52,520
This is it, folks.
Over the top.
1806
01:39:16,120 --> 01:39:18,720
♪ He was selling postcards
from a paper stand
1807
01:39:18,720 --> 01:39:21,240
♪ The whiskey bottle
in his withered hand
1808
01:39:21,240 --> 01:39:24,040
♪ Put his finger on a photo
from an old magazine
1809
01:39:24,040 --> 01:39:26,880
♪ Saw himself
in the shadow of his dream
1810
01:39:26,880 --> 01:39:29,280
♪ They found him with his head
inside a tin-pot crown
1811
01:39:29,280 --> 01:39:32,080
♪ Told him his feet stank
and took him downtown
1812
01:39:32,080 --> 01:39:34,520
♪ Called him agitator,
spy and thief
1813
01:39:34,520 --> 01:39:36,840
♪ Shut him up
in solitary third degree
1814
01:39:36,840 --> 01:39:44,640
♪ Take a long line
1815
01:39:44,640 --> 01:39:45,920
♪ Reel him in
1816
01:39:50,440 --> 01:39:53,040
♪ He tried to appeal
to the king of might
1817
01:39:53,040 --> 01:39:55,800
♪ Said "I'm just exercising
my sacred right"
1818
01:39:55,800 --> 01:39:58,160
♪ The king, he said
"You ain't got no rights
1819
01:39:58,160 --> 01:40:00,840
♪ You're a madman, a traitor
Get outta my sight"
1820
01:40:00,840 --> 01:40:08,440
♪ Take a long line
1821
01:40:08,440 --> 01:40:09,800
♪ Reel him in
1822
01:40:46,600 --> 01:40:49,160
♪ They found him with his head
inside a tin-pot crown
1823
01:40:49,160 --> 01:40:51,960
♪ Told him his feet stank
and took him downtown
1824
01:40:51,960 --> 01:40:54,360
♪ Called him agitator,
spy and thief
1825
01:40:54,360 --> 01:40:56,800
♪ Shut him up
in solitary third degree
1826
01:40:56,800 --> 01:40:59,800
♪ Then they put him aboard
a well-wound whirlwind
1827
01:40:59,800 --> 01:41:02,200
♪ Pulled out his teeth
and they told him to grin
1828
01:41:02,200 --> 01:41:05,000
♪ He gave them a smile
Pulled out a bottle of wine
1829
01:41:05,000 --> 01:41:07,440
♪ And said, "I never
existedYou've been wasting your
time"
1830
01:41:07,440 --> 01:41:14,920
♪ Take a long line
1831
01:41:14,920 --> 01:41:16,240
♪ Reel him in
1832
01:41:18,000 --> 01:41:25,560
♪ Take a long line
1833
01:41:25,560 --> 01:41:27,400
♪ Reel him in
1834
01:41:28,640 --> 01:41:36,240
♪ Take a long line
1835
01:41:36,240 --> 01:41:37,720
♪ Reel him in
1836
01:41:42,920 --> 01:41:46,040
Everybody that has ever been
in The Angels has been fired.
1837
01:41:46,040 --> 01:41:48,760
At some stage or another,
every single person, except one.
1838
01:41:49,400 --> 01:41:50,600
Rick.
1839
01:41:50,600 --> 01:41:52,600
Rick Brewster-Jones.
He has never been fired.
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