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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:18,477 --> 00:00:21,557 The Führer has given the order for physical extermination… 2 00:00:21,856 --> 00:00:25,566 literally… I had heard these words for the first time. 3 00:00:26,610 --> 00:00:28,070 I know that all too well. 4 00:01:16,660 --> 00:01:20,120 Efforts have been made to obtain the manuscript, 5 00:01:20,414 --> 00:01:22,424 and indeed, it is now in our hands. 6 00:01:26,086 --> 00:01:27,546 All rise! 7 00:01:27,630 --> 00:01:29,170 Adolf Eichmann. 8 00:01:29,757 --> 00:01:33,467 The extended arm of Hitler's evil regime. 9 00:01:37,014 --> 00:01:39,234 It could not have been me, 10 00:01:39,308 --> 00:01:41,058 because it was not my decision in such cases. 11 00:02:36,949 --> 00:02:38,989 All rise! 12 00:03:00,180 --> 00:03:02,730 Okay, so now take this text, 13 00:03:03,017 --> 00:03:05,897 analyze it sentence by sentence 14 00:03:05,978 --> 00:03:10,648 and tell us what is true and what is false. 15 00:03:14,361 --> 00:03:17,031 Take a look at the section I marked, 16 00:03:17,114 --> 00:03:21,704 "I wasn't an ordinary receiver of orders. 17 00:03:22,494 --> 00:03:24,914 If I was, I would be stupid. 18 00:03:25,372 --> 00:03:28,382 I was an idealist." 19 00:03:28,709 --> 00:03:30,039 Did you say that? 20 00:03:31,211 --> 00:03:32,501 That's… 21 00:03:32,588 --> 00:03:38,718 I must say, this is completely made-up nonsense. 22 00:03:39,386 --> 00:03:43,716 Being an idealist has nothing to do with receiving or giving orders. 23 00:03:53,734 --> 00:03:58,284 I just thought of something, Mr. Prosecutor. 24 00:03:58,364 --> 00:04:04,164 You said that there are tapes. 25 00:04:05,454 --> 00:04:08,924 One should try to get these tapes. 26 00:04:09,458 --> 00:04:15,968 And it would prove if I said it or not. 27 00:04:16,256 --> 00:04:20,006 Look, I can do my job without advice. 28 00:04:20,094 --> 00:04:22,354 I ask that you tell me 29 00:04:23,097 --> 00:04:25,807 if you said those things or not? 30 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:28,870 After the middle of May 1944, 31 00:05:29,163 --> 00:05:31,543 we were led to a villa 32 00:05:32,624 --> 00:05:35,464 that later turned out to be the private residence of Adolf Eichmann. 33 00:05:37,254 --> 00:05:41,724 I saw him when I was digging, I heard shouting. 34 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:42,630 Yes. 35 00:05:43,218 --> 00:05:49,098 I saw Eichmann's driver walk over to one of the Jewish boys working with us, 36 00:05:49,183 --> 00:05:51,023 I knew him as Shalamon, 37 00:05:51,101 --> 00:05:52,481 and he yelled at him, 38 00:05:52,561 --> 00:05:55,061 "You stole cherries off the tree," 39 00:05:56,231 --> 00:06:00,571 and I saw Eichmann standing on the upper balcony. 40 00:06:00,903 --> 00:06:03,243 Then I saw the boy 41 00:06:03,322 --> 00:06:06,242 being pushed into the warehouse and locked up there. 42 00:06:06,325 --> 00:06:12,155 Then I heard horrible screams, pounding, beatings. 43 00:06:13,165 --> 00:06:17,125 The screams went on for 10-15 minutes. 44 00:06:17,628 --> 00:06:22,378 When I heard no more screams, the door opened, 45 00:06:22,466 --> 00:06:25,176 and Eichmann emerged. 46 00:06:25,886 --> 00:06:32,136 He left quickly and the boy's body was dragged out. 47 00:06:45,489 --> 00:06:49,949 In response to this question, I can only say 48 00:06:50,244 --> 00:06:54,544 that I have never killed a human being, 49 00:06:54,915 --> 00:06:58,035 that I have never beaten a human being to death, 50 00:06:58,127 --> 00:07:01,167 and that I have never hit a human being. 51 00:07:36,123 --> 00:07:38,633 Eichmann never shot anyone himself. 52 00:07:39,209 --> 00:07:41,549 He only shot with his pen. 53 00:07:42,838 --> 00:07:44,968 The commander of Auschwitz 54 00:07:45,591 --> 00:07:49,391 once asked him when he visited him 55 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:53,810 if perhaps the babies could be spared, 56 00:07:53,891 --> 00:07:55,431 not be put 57 00:07:55,893 --> 00:07:59,103 with their parents in the gas chambers. 58 00:07:59,563 --> 00:08:04,283 Eichmann replied, and this appears in Rudolf Höss memoirs, 59 00:08:05,110 --> 00:08:08,610 the children must be exterminated, 60 00:08:08,697 --> 00:08:10,817 for they could grow up 61 00:08:11,533 --> 00:08:14,083 and want to seek revenge on us. 62 00:08:20,500 --> 00:08:21,880 That was Eichmann. 63 00:08:23,128 --> 00:08:24,168 To the end. 64 00:08:35,807 --> 00:08:37,387 And this is what Höss did. 65 00:08:38,352 --> 00:08:40,102 That's what he did. 66 00:08:40,562 --> 00:08:44,022 I told you already, he was not 67 00:08:44,107 --> 00:08:47,277 the brutal concentration camp commander 68 00:08:47,361 --> 00:08:50,111 one imagines with the face of a bulldog, 69 00:08:50,530 --> 00:08:54,120 he was a father to a load of children. 70 00:08:54,201 --> 00:08:58,161 He had sympathy for human needs and worries. 71 00:08:59,581 --> 00:09:02,921 He had orders that bound him. 72 00:09:03,377 --> 00:09:05,207 Had I received the order 73 00:09:05,462 --> 00:09:08,672 to gas Jews or shoot Jews, 74 00:09:09,383 --> 00:09:12,053 I would have executed these orders. 75 00:09:15,806 --> 00:09:17,016 Rudolf Höss, 76 00:09:17,933 --> 00:09:20,273 in the statements you know… 77 00:09:21,812 --> 00:09:24,942 -Yes, I met with Höss. -He was at your place in Budapest. 78 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:26,900 Yes, he visited me in Budapest. 79 00:09:27,192 --> 00:09:31,782 To determine Auschwitz's capacity to absorb Hungarian Jews? 80 00:09:31,863 --> 00:09:36,293 Even in Hungary, I was not giving orders, but receiving orders. 81 00:09:36,535 --> 00:09:42,825 He had to address the higher ranks. 82 00:10:23,915 --> 00:10:29,795 In Sassen's transcript, page 737, 83 00:10:30,297 --> 00:10:33,087 you made a comparison between the various countries. 84 00:10:34,051 --> 00:10:35,971 As for Holland, you said, 85 00:10:36,345 --> 00:10:38,885 "It was a splendor how it was all rolling." 86 00:10:39,639 --> 00:10:44,689 As for Denmark, you said,"It was almost a scandal," or similar words. 87 00:10:44,770 --> 00:10:47,400 And as for Hungary, you said, 88 00:10:47,814 --> 00:10:52,904 "Hungary really offered us the Jews like in a fire sale! 89 00:10:53,612 --> 00:10:56,242 Hungary was the only country 90 00:10:56,531 --> 00:10:59,621 for which we couldn't work fast enough." 91 00:13:50,705 --> 00:13:53,495 "On March 31st, 1944 the Judenrat 92 00:13:53,583 --> 00:13:57,053 had a first discussion with Eichmann at the Majestic. 93 00:13:58,296 --> 00:14:01,296 'You don't know who I am? I am a bloodhound', 94 00:14:02,342 --> 00:14:04,512 Eichmann declared at that time." 95 00:14:05,220 --> 00:14:07,680 Yes, maybe I said that, 96 00:14:07,931 --> 00:14:11,601 how shall I say, sarcastically, and… 97 00:14:12,394 --> 00:14:15,194 with a combination of humor and sarcasm. 98 00:14:16,064 --> 00:14:19,324 Just as I occasionally said 99 00:14:19,401 --> 00:14:21,951 to the important Jews, when I met them, 100 00:14:22,028 --> 00:14:23,448 when they arrived. 101 00:14:23,738 --> 00:14:27,078 Something like, "Do you know where you are? 102 00:14:27,576 --> 00:14:29,866 You are with the Tsar of the Jews, dear friend!" 103 00:14:30,579 --> 00:14:33,959 This is how I wanted to address them 104 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:39,050 so they wouldn't have worries or concerns. 105 00:14:39,963 --> 00:14:44,803 Because I am not the bloodhound that people accuse me of being. 106 00:16:10,804 --> 00:16:15,934 You told Sassen that Hungary was the only country 107 00:16:16,351 --> 00:16:20,481 in which you weren't able to keep up with the rate of deportations. 108 00:16:20,939 --> 00:16:22,939 That's what you said to Sassen, true? 109 00:16:23,024 --> 00:16:25,154 No, that cannot be true. 110 00:16:25,235 --> 00:16:30,775 Many things were written, as you said, Mr. Prosecutor, and this is not correct. 111 00:16:50,176 --> 00:16:54,306 We have concluded that the deportations from… 112 00:16:55,932 --> 00:17:00,902 Hungary, under the leadership of the master (Eichmann) 113 00:17:01,396 --> 00:17:04,186 were conducted in an exemplary manner. 114 00:17:05,859 --> 00:17:11,949 Can one say that in 46 days all this happened? 115 00:17:13,158 --> 00:17:14,528 It seems exaggerated. 116 00:17:15,994 --> 00:17:17,204 Too fast? 117 00:17:17,287 --> 00:17:19,157 Of course it happened fast. 118 00:17:19,247 --> 00:17:23,127 But 46 days seems a bit exaggerated to me. 119 00:17:24,794 --> 00:17:27,964 Maybe you are referring to 46 work days? 120 00:17:28,631 --> 00:17:32,221 But not in 46 days, 121 00:17:32,302 --> 00:17:33,972 meaning, a month and a half. 122 00:17:37,807 --> 00:17:44,057 There were only whispers and rumors 123 00:17:44,147 --> 00:17:49,317 about a place in Poland where terrible things are happening. 124 00:17:49,944 --> 00:17:53,324 But the people who were deported to Auschwitz, 125 00:17:53,656 --> 00:17:58,196 they all sent a postcard that said the same thing, 126 00:17:58,453 --> 00:18:02,043 that they feel fine, that they're working, something like that. 127 00:18:02,123 --> 00:18:06,463 These were uniform postcards that were sent to the relatives. 128 00:19:03,685 --> 00:19:07,935 Once we arrived in Auschwitz, we got an order to get out. 129 00:19:08,481 --> 00:19:12,031 And I saw my wife. How did I recognize her? 130 00:19:12,402 --> 00:19:16,742 My daughter was wearing a red coat 131 00:19:17,490 --> 00:19:21,660 and that red dot was the sign 132 00:19:21,744 --> 00:19:25,464 that she is there 133 00:19:25,832 --> 00:19:31,882 and the dot became smaller and smaller. 134 00:19:34,507 --> 00:19:37,967 I walked away and never saw her again. 135 00:19:42,849 --> 00:19:44,679 When I heard that, 136 00:19:45,226 --> 00:19:47,936 I fell silent. Why? 137 00:19:48,771 --> 00:19:52,441 Because my daughter was two and a half years old 138 00:19:53,276 --> 00:19:57,196 and shortly before that I bought her a red coat. 139 00:19:58,948 --> 00:20:02,078 I couldn't get a word out of my mouth. 140 00:20:05,204 --> 00:20:07,544 Even before we entered the barracks, 141 00:20:07,916 --> 00:20:12,496 a command came down: all the boys to the soccer field. 142 00:20:12,962 --> 00:20:15,842 Those days were the pinnacle of Auschwitz. 143 00:20:16,549 --> 00:20:22,009 Within seven weeks, from May 16 to June 10, 144 00:20:22,430 --> 00:20:28,980 438,000 Jews were brought to Auschwitz on 150 trains. 145 00:20:32,065 --> 00:20:37,525 Four chimneys emitted flames and black smoke day and night. 146 00:20:37,612 --> 00:20:42,082 When those didn't suffice, they dug pits and burned bodies to ashes. 147 00:20:43,284 --> 00:20:44,744 It was horrible. 148 00:20:45,203 --> 00:20:49,503 Some days the smoke did not rise into the sky, 149 00:20:49,582 --> 00:20:52,172 but spread over the Auschwitz camp 150 00:20:52,251 --> 00:20:55,881 and covered the camp with a black cloud. 151 00:21:11,562 --> 00:21:13,822 -Do you see the defendant here? -Yes. 152 00:21:13,898 --> 00:21:15,978 Can you identify him? 153 00:21:20,530 --> 00:21:26,540 In my memory, Herr Obersturmbannführer Eichmann. 154 00:21:27,120 --> 00:21:29,750 is in uniform, in high boots, 155 00:21:30,707 --> 00:21:37,087 standing with his legs spread and his hand on the gun in his belt, 156 00:21:37,797 --> 00:21:42,967 shouting at me in a tone that was so characteristic of the "Master Race." 157 00:21:44,470 --> 00:21:49,390 But despite that, I know that this is him. 158 00:21:53,688 --> 00:21:58,028 When did you find out what was being done to the Jews in Auschwitz? 159 00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:01,449 I received letters once, and among them 160 00:22:01,529 --> 00:22:05,909 was the report on Auschwitz. 161 00:22:07,076 --> 00:22:08,746 It says 162 00:22:08,828 --> 00:22:15,538 that to date, one million and 450 thousand 163 00:22:15,626 --> 00:22:16,456 Jews have been killed. 164 00:22:17,336 --> 00:22:22,086 Detailed, in France, numbers. 165 00:22:25,136 --> 00:22:26,756 And the last sentence - 166 00:22:27,221 --> 00:22:32,391 "And now we are preparing to receive the Jews of Hungary." 167 00:22:36,773 --> 00:22:39,943 Our leaders fed us sedatives in the ghettos so that we don't revolt! 168 00:22:40,026 --> 00:22:41,936 Silence in the court. 169 00:22:44,906 --> 00:22:48,236 I request silence once again and this is the last time! 170 00:22:49,744 --> 00:22:52,794 Get this man out of here. I am stopping the session. 171 00:23:34,872 --> 00:23:37,252 You can imagine that with such people, 172 00:23:37,708 --> 00:23:40,128 Storfer, Löwenherz, Eppstein, 173 00:23:40,211 --> 00:23:42,761 that one Jewish lawyer Kasztner… 174 00:25:39,121 --> 00:25:40,041 My father told me, 175 00:25:40,122 --> 00:25:43,042 "You'll hear a lot of bad things about your dad." 176 00:25:44,210 --> 00:25:48,920 I remember laughing, because he didn't know how much I already knew. 177 00:25:49,632 --> 00:25:52,682 He was spit on. He couldn't get on a bus. 178 00:25:53,678 --> 00:25:55,758 He couldn't buy a newspaper. 179 00:25:56,055 --> 00:25:58,135 They actually spat in his face. 180 00:25:58,599 --> 00:26:00,309 I got spit on too once. 181 00:26:02,728 --> 00:26:06,858 My parents didn't know that I was beaten up and got stones hurled at me. 182 00:26:07,692 --> 00:26:11,822 That I was tossed into a pit of lime and almost died. 183 00:26:45,313 --> 00:26:49,613 Father was sent to the Nuremberg Trials on behalf of the Jewish Agency 184 00:26:49,984 --> 00:26:52,494 and the Israeli government. It's as simple as that. 185 00:26:54,405 --> 00:26:57,325 I found all the documents related to the trip, 186 00:26:57,742 --> 00:26:59,452 also the expenses he received. 187 00:27:04,498 --> 00:27:07,538 And when he said so, they said he's lying. 188 00:27:58,511 --> 00:28:00,511 He knew they were going to murder him. 189 00:28:00,971 --> 00:28:02,141 He knew. 190 00:28:05,768 --> 00:28:07,978 I came home from school 191 00:28:08,062 --> 00:28:09,732 and he called me over 192 00:28:09,814 --> 00:28:12,534 and there was an urgency in his voice, 193 00:28:12,608 --> 00:28:14,608 as if to say, if he didn't tell me now, 194 00:28:14,693 --> 00:28:16,493 he may never have the chance. 195 00:28:16,570 --> 00:28:19,700 That I should always remember - he tried his best 196 00:28:19,782 --> 00:28:22,742 to save as many Jews as possible. 197 00:29:21,886 --> 00:29:23,136 Was it Becher 198 00:29:23,220 --> 00:29:25,890 who led the negotiations regarding the takeover 199 00:29:25,973 --> 00:29:28,933 -of the Manfred Weiss enterprise? -Yes. 200 00:29:29,351 --> 00:29:33,271 Followed the negotiations between Eichmann and Kasztner 201 00:29:33,355 --> 00:29:36,395 and reported to Himmler about the progress? 202 00:31:07,157 --> 00:31:08,987 We decide by a majority of opinions 203 00:31:09,285 --> 00:31:13,955 to accept as evidence from the Sassen document 204 00:31:14,456 --> 00:31:20,586 only things that were written in the defendant's handwriting. 205 00:31:21,672 --> 00:31:27,392 In this ruling, we dismiss the Attorney General's petition. 206 00:33:02,147 --> 00:33:05,527 I set up the Central Department for Jewish Emigration. 207 00:33:06,777 --> 00:33:08,737 I couldn't fool these people, 208 00:33:08,821 --> 00:33:11,621 I couldn't tell them, "Guys, I don't know anything." 209 00:33:11,699 --> 00:33:13,909 Or Kasztner, who told me 210 00:33:13,992 --> 00:33:16,372 I should stop the annihilation machine. 211 00:33:16,829 --> 00:33:19,329 He was so outrageous, he asked me directly 212 00:33:19,415 --> 00:33:22,035 what was happening to the Jews, etc… 213 00:33:22,292 --> 00:33:25,502 I can't say to him, "I don't know anything." 214 00:34:48,670 --> 00:34:51,340 I call on Avraham Aviel. 215 00:34:51,715 --> 00:34:53,585 Avraham Aviel. 216 00:35:13,028 --> 00:35:15,408 Put the kippah on your head, 217 00:35:15,781 --> 00:35:17,241 your right hand on the Bible, 218 00:35:17,324 --> 00:35:20,544 say: I swear to God 219 00:35:20,619 --> 00:35:24,409 that my testimony in this trial 220 00:35:24,498 --> 00:35:29,708 will be the truth, the whole truth and only the truth. 221 00:35:30,003 --> 00:35:34,933 It was no pleasure saying that I came from the Holocaust. 222 00:35:35,759 --> 00:35:38,009 Because there were bad opinions too, 223 00:35:39,096 --> 00:35:43,136 that the Holocaust survivors are not decent people, 224 00:35:43,225 --> 00:35:45,185 they endured such trials and tribulations, 225 00:35:45,686 --> 00:35:47,266 they're not decent people, 226 00:35:47,688 --> 00:35:48,768 so they hid it. 227 00:35:48,856 --> 00:35:54,026 Tell us what happened on May 7, 1942. 228 00:35:55,028 --> 00:35:56,988 -They came from Lida… -Who? 229 00:35:57,072 --> 00:35:58,412 The Germans came, 230 00:35:59,116 --> 00:36:01,486 in battle uniform, 231 00:36:01,910 --> 00:36:04,370 armed with automatic weapons. 232 00:36:04,663 --> 00:36:06,043 My mother… 233 00:36:08,125 --> 00:36:10,375 said, "Children… 234 00:36:13,255 --> 00:36:15,295 say a prayer. 235 00:36:16,133 --> 00:36:17,843 We will die as Jews." 236 00:36:20,929 --> 00:36:25,179 I didn't want to cry, I wanted them to hear the testimony. 237 00:36:26,977 --> 00:36:30,557 I took a breath to continue the testimony, 238 00:36:30,814 --> 00:36:32,904 I took a second… 239 00:36:33,650 --> 00:36:36,280 Gunfire rang out 240 00:36:37,321 --> 00:36:39,701 and they fell into the pit. 241 00:37:10,479 --> 00:37:16,529 What is the reason you use the literary name Ka-Tsetnik, Mr. De-Nur? 242 00:37:29,164 --> 00:37:31,964 Their name was 243 00:37:33,919 --> 00:37:37,459 the number Ka-Tsetnik. 244 00:37:38,548 --> 00:37:40,548 I see them… 245 00:37:41,510 --> 00:37:43,930 they are looking at me… 246 00:37:45,097 --> 00:37:47,677 -I see them… -Please sit, Mr… 247 00:37:48,183 --> 00:37:49,733 I remember… 248 00:37:51,436 --> 00:37:55,516 -No, Mr. De-Nur, listen to the prosecutor. -Then… 249 00:37:55,899 --> 00:37:59,399 Just a minute, listen to me, no, Mr. De-Nur. 250 00:38:03,657 --> 00:38:05,077 Quiet, quiet, quiet! 251 00:38:18,255 --> 00:38:21,965 Yechiel De-Nur, Ka-Tsetnik, fell unconscious. 252 00:38:22,634 --> 00:38:25,104 The audience in the courtroom stood up in astonishment 253 00:38:25,429 --> 00:38:27,559 and cleared a path for the stretcher bearers 254 00:38:27,973 --> 00:38:30,483 on which the witness lay and was taken to the hospital. 255 00:38:31,977 --> 00:38:37,107 My role was then the news coordinator of the Voice of Israel. 256 00:38:37,899 --> 00:38:42,569 Ka-Tsetnik's testimony was, in my opinion the most dramatic 257 00:38:43,572 --> 00:38:47,492 of the witness testimonies. 258 00:38:47,784 --> 00:38:50,624 Not only as a result of the Eichmann trial did 259 00:38:50,704 --> 00:38:54,504 more people become familiar with the Holocaust, 260 00:38:54,750 --> 00:38:59,460 they became familiar with the Holocaust of every single survivor, 261 00:38:59,546 --> 00:39:02,716 every survivor had a Holocaust of their own, 262 00:39:02,799 --> 00:39:04,219 I had my own Holocaust. 263 00:39:04,301 --> 00:39:08,601 People learned about that from the testimonies. 264 00:39:09,806 --> 00:39:13,686 It was possible to rely only on documents 265 00:39:14,394 --> 00:39:15,444 but… 266 00:39:16,688 --> 00:39:20,608 this would not have become the Holocaust trial. 267 00:39:30,118 --> 00:39:37,128 He hit one boy 80 times 268 00:39:37,209 --> 00:39:39,379 with a stick. 269 00:39:39,461 --> 00:39:43,971 Do you see in court the boy that was hit 80 times? 270 00:39:47,260 --> 00:39:50,260 Everyone started to look to all around 271 00:39:50,347 --> 00:39:52,217 to see where the boy was sitting. 272 00:39:52,641 --> 00:39:55,231 It's the officer sitting next to Mr. Hausner. 273 00:40:00,732 --> 00:40:03,572 I was unable to move. 274 00:40:03,860 --> 00:40:07,360 It's a story I'm not eager to tell. 275 00:40:07,739 --> 00:40:12,579 Once I told it to a man and his wife 276 00:40:13,662 --> 00:40:19,502 and he said to her: these people suffered so much 277 00:40:20,627 --> 00:40:27,547 that at times they mix truth with fantasy. 278 00:40:27,634 --> 00:40:29,394 Then and there I decided 279 00:40:29,469 --> 00:40:33,139 that no one would hear that story from me anymore. 280 00:40:33,682 --> 00:40:37,022 It was the 81st blow that I received. 281 00:41:06,798 --> 00:41:11,298 We walked towards the pit. I turned my head. 282 00:41:11,386 --> 00:41:15,716 He asked me who to shoot first. 283 00:41:17,267 --> 00:41:19,807 I did not answer anything. 284 00:41:19,895 --> 00:41:23,105 I felt my daughter being torn away from me. 285 00:41:23,481 --> 00:41:27,941 I heard her last cry and how she was shot. 286 00:41:47,881 --> 00:41:51,431 My father wanted there to be a trial of testimonies, 287 00:41:51,509 --> 00:41:54,099 look what a visionary he was. 288 00:41:54,179 --> 00:41:56,309 We have hardly any survivors. 289 00:41:58,850 --> 00:42:01,140 -Is that it? Can we get started? -Please. 290 00:42:01,228 --> 00:42:02,808 Can this light…? 291 00:42:03,396 --> 00:42:04,556 Yes, that's it. 292 00:43:06,084 --> 00:43:09,554 I had recurring encounters with the dead 293 00:43:09,921 --> 00:43:12,341 and I always had the same feeling. 294 00:43:12,757 --> 00:43:16,257 I still remember seeing the ones that were burnt, I told you already, 295 00:43:16,511 --> 00:43:20,141 my knees shook. 296 00:43:22,142 --> 00:43:23,392 Do you know what I said? 297 00:43:24,644 --> 00:43:25,774 You will laugh. 298 00:43:26,438 --> 00:43:29,608 "I believe in God, the Father almighty, the Holy Spirit, born of the Virgin Mary, 299 00:43:29,691 --> 00:43:32,651 died under Pontius Pilate," and so on and so on 300 00:43:32,902 --> 00:43:36,282 "resurrected from the dead…" and so on, 301 00:43:37,157 --> 00:43:39,777 to stop my knees from shaking. 302 00:43:40,035 --> 00:43:42,745 Otherwise, I would have felt embarrassed. 303 00:43:43,913 --> 00:43:46,503 As a Obersturmbannführer Colonel in uniform, 304 00:43:46,583 --> 00:43:49,213 wearing a thick leather coat, 305 00:43:49,294 --> 00:43:53,174 with ranks on my shoulders, saying, "I feel nauseous." 306 00:46:07,515 --> 00:46:11,095 I'm showing you a section from the Sassen document 307 00:46:11,561 --> 00:46:16,071 that has many corrections in your handwriting. 308 00:46:16,774 --> 00:46:23,454 Look at the segment in parentheses in red pencil. 309 00:46:23,698 --> 00:46:25,198 Page 282. 310 00:46:29,287 --> 00:46:31,117 You said the following, 311 00:46:31,789 --> 00:46:34,379 "And now, in conclusion, I must tell you, 312 00:46:35,543 --> 00:46:38,593 I regret nothing. 313 00:46:38,922 --> 00:46:41,472 I am unwilling to regret. 314 00:46:41,799 --> 00:46:44,089 I must tell you honestly, 315 00:46:44,177 --> 00:46:47,807 had we put 10 million Jews to death, 316 00:46:48,056 --> 00:46:49,846 then I would say with satisfaction, 317 00:46:50,350 --> 00:46:54,770 'good, we have exterminated an enemy'." 318 00:46:55,647 --> 00:46:56,607 That's what you said. 319 00:46:56,689 --> 00:46:58,649 No, I didn't say that. 320 00:46:59,484 --> 00:47:01,534 I definitely didn't say that. 321 00:47:04,656 --> 00:47:08,576 …and now I want to tell you… to conclude… 322 00:47:10,245 --> 00:47:12,115 all these recordings: 323 00:47:13,540 --> 00:47:16,000 I regret nothing. 324 00:47:17,460 --> 00:47:20,380 Every fiber of my being resists 325 00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:24,260 to say that… 326 00:47:25,426 --> 00:47:30,596 we did something wrong. No. 327 00:47:33,643 --> 00:47:36,443 I must tell you honestly, 328 00:47:37,772 --> 00:47:42,402 had we killed 10.3 million Jews, 329 00:47:44,070 --> 00:47:47,950 then, I would be satisfied. 330 00:47:48,950 --> 00:47:50,990 And would say, 331 00:47:51,411 --> 00:47:56,211 good… we have exterminated an enemy. 332 00:47:59,627 --> 00:48:03,087 Then we would have fulfilled our task. 333 00:48:04,257 --> 00:48:06,587 But since it is not the case…. 334 00:48:09,178 --> 00:48:13,098 I still have some brief questions here… 335 00:48:14,225 --> 00:48:17,475 It's harsh what I am telling you, I know it… 336 00:48:17,562 --> 00:48:19,812 and I will be judged. 337 00:48:20,565 --> 00:48:25,145 If I'm… so harsh in my wording. 338 00:48:25,236 --> 00:48:30,656 But I can't tell you anything other than… That's the truth. 339 00:48:31,367 --> 00:48:33,237 Why should I deny it? 340 00:48:34,787 --> 00:48:36,327 Right? 341 00:48:39,876 --> 00:48:41,746 No, I didn't say that. 342 00:48:42,503 --> 00:48:44,553 I definitely didn't say that. 343 00:48:45,882 --> 00:48:49,012 This has been patched together out of… 344 00:48:49,093 --> 00:48:51,603 It's a combination of imagination and truth. 345 00:48:51,929 --> 00:48:53,309 That is not my question. 346 00:48:53,389 --> 00:48:57,599 The question is if the transcript is right? 347 00:48:57,685 --> 00:49:03,515 I can't give a detailed and precise answer to that, 348 00:49:03,608 --> 00:49:06,358 because I was under the influence of alcohol 349 00:49:06,444 --> 00:49:09,954 and I don't know if I was under the influence of alcohol in this moment. 350 00:49:10,031 --> 00:49:13,201 Under the influence of alcohol or not, 351 00:49:13,284 --> 00:49:15,914 did you say those things or not? 352 00:49:16,245 --> 00:49:17,865 I don't remember. 353 00:49:17,955 --> 00:49:21,665 If you want to continue making a fool of yourself, go ahead. 354 00:49:21,751 --> 00:49:22,841 Excuse me? 355 00:49:23,586 --> 00:49:26,836 If you want to keep making a fool of yourself, then go ahead. 356 00:49:26,923 --> 00:49:33,143 I don't want to make a fool of myself, I'm just saying that I don't know 357 00:49:33,221 --> 00:49:35,601 and I have only one thing… 358 00:49:35,932 --> 00:49:40,352 I officially ask to have the recordings. 359 00:52:04,831 --> 00:52:07,501 And he came to you to write his memories? 360 00:52:07,583 --> 00:52:08,963 Yes. 361 00:52:09,210 --> 00:52:13,800 We can give this book a title: "Accountant of Death" 362 00:52:15,633 --> 00:52:20,433 And… "Accountant of Death." 363 00:52:20,888 --> 00:52:24,058 Yes, you have not killed anyone. I know. 364 00:52:25,059 --> 00:52:26,769 You have been an accountant. 365 00:52:27,937 --> 00:52:32,607 And… That was something, those sessions… 366 00:52:36,237 --> 00:52:40,117 Now, are we finally done with this recording? 367 00:52:40,449 --> 00:52:44,749 No, actually not, I have a few more pages of questions, 368 00:52:45,413 --> 00:52:48,423 but we can do this quickly. 369 00:52:48,916 --> 00:52:50,876 We're not done with the book? 370 00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:57,590 That's why I just gave my little concluding talk. 371 00:52:58,801 --> 00:53:00,181 That hardly matters. 372 00:53:00,928 --> 00:53:03,348 But what do you say about these things, 373 00:53:03,431 --> 00:53:05,771 which so spontaneously came from my heart? 374 00:53:05,850 --> 00:53:09,520 -What do you say, Comrade Sassen? -I'm quite intrigued. 375 00:53:09,604 --> 00:53:10,654 Intrigued? 376 00:53:10,938 --> 00:53:12,358 Yes, very important. 377 00:54:04,784 --> 00:54:09,504 This court sentences Adolf Eichmann to death. 378 00:54:33,479 --> 00:54:39,399 That man, Eichmann, whose sole purpose was to destroy the Jewish people, 379 00:54:39,944 --> 00:54:43,284 had to stand trial in an Israeli court 380 00:54:43,656 --> 00:54:50,246 with the symbol of the State of Israel on the wall behind the judges, 381 00:54:50,496 --> 00:54:53,826 for me, that is an unforgettable moment. 382 00:54:54,917 --> 00:54:59,507 It's something that provided us with extraordinary satisfaction. 383 00:55:01,674 --> 00:55:03,764 It was six months after the liberation. 384 00:55:04,135 --> 00:55:06,295 You see this shirt? 385 00:55:06,595 --> 00:55:10,635 A Jewish U.S. Army officer who liberated us said, 386 00:55:10,725 --> 00:55:13,475 "Come, boy, the war is over for you, 387 00:55:13,561 --> 00:55:15,231 come, let me dress you nicely." 388 00:55:15,730 --> 00:55:19,900 This is the shirt. I've kept it with me until this day. 389 00:55:23,237 --> 00:55:26,737 "I shall not die, but live, and declare the works of the Lord, 390 00:55:26,824 --> 00:55:30,754 the Lord hath chastened me sore; but He hath not given me over unto death." 391 00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:34,290 And you will be able to tell future generations 392 00:55:34,373 --> 00:55:37,463 that you heard about Auschwitz firsthand. 393 00:55:39,003 --> 00:55:45,843 The fact that the Jewish people arose and are able to judge their murderers, 394 00:55:45,926 --> 00:55:52,556 we are a nation that cannot be trampled on. 395 00:55:57,813 --> 00:56:04,073 The first time I visited Auschwitz, 396 00:56:04,653 --> 00:56:10,033 in the same barracks I had been in Birkenau then, 397 00:56:10,117 --> 00:56:11,737 I put on Tefillin and prayed. 398 00:56:15,164 --> 00:56:16,714 I put on Tefillin and prayed. 399 00:56:26,050 --> 00:56:32,060 The human revenge is five children, 400 00:56:32,139 --> 00:56:38,019 12 grandchildren, two great-grandchildren, a wonderful wife. 401 00:56:39,230 --> 00:56:42,530 That's my personal revenge, but there is no revenge, 402 00:56:44,026 --> 00:56:45,436 it is consolation. 403 00:56:50,116 --> 00:56:51,986 He didn't leave the Holocaust 404 00:56:52,076 --> 00:56:56,036 and the Holocaust didn't leave him, not for a single day. 405 00:56:57,123 --> 00:57:03,553 And I think that… it wouldn't be farfetched to say 406 00:57:03,629 --> 00:57:07,549 that it also brought him closer to his end, 407 00:57:08,926 --> 00:57:12,926 because his soul was scorched opposite that glass booth. 408 00:57:13,764 --> 00:57:17,604 He really turned into a different person. 30065

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