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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:18,059 --> 00:00:20,061 curious music 2 00:00:48,256 --> 00:00:49,591 Well, I know my wife's been 3 00:00:49,632 --> 00:00:51,051 looking around          for something special. 4 00:00:51,092 --> 00:00:52,552 After all, it's been 5 00:00:52,594 --> 00:00:54,095 a few years     since I bought her a diamond. 6 00:00:54,137 --> 00:00:56,097 This is a half hoop. 7 00:00:56,139 --> 00:00:57,932 Of course, the diamond content           in the full hoop 8 00:00:57,974 --> 00:00:59,184 is much greater. 9 00:00:59,225 --> 00:01:01,686 Was it a half hoop              or a full hoop 10 00:01:01,728 --> 00:01:03,521 your wife had in mind? 11 00:01:04,105 --> 00:01:07,567 I think she'd prefer              the full hoop. 12 00:01:07,609 --> 00:01:09,194 Most women do. 13 00:01:11,237 --> 00:01:12,947 Mary, have you seen these? 14 00:01:12,989 --> 00:01:16,117 Jane, those are diamonds. 15 00:01:16,159 --> 00:01:19,287 I know. Aren't they gorgeous? 16 00:01:19,329 --> 00:01:21,748 And it is your birthday              quite soon. 17 00:01:21,790 --> 00:01:23,458 Well... 18 00:01:23,958 --> 00:01:26,086 It's always worth        showing an expensive piece 19 00:01:26,127 --> 00:01:27,462 from the top end 20 00:01:27,504 --> 00:01:29,297 even if it doesn't sell              for some time. 21 00:01:29,339 --> 00:01:31,299 You know, what you might call        an aspirational piece. 22 00:01:31,341 --> 00:01:33,301 Uh, so what's the point         of attracting people 23 00:01:33,343 --> 00:01:35,428 with an item       they can't afford to buy? 24 00:01:35,470 --> 00:01:38,139 Because they'll tend to spend  more on what they choose to buy. 25 00:01:45,647 --> 00:01:47,607 Well, this is the one I like, 26 00:01:47,649 --> 00:01:50,693 but why is it nearly twice          the price of this one? 27 00:01:51,402 --> 00:01:54,531 The value of a diamond  depends on four characteristics. 28 00:01:54,572 --> 00:01:56,157 The larger the diamond, 29 00:01:56,199 --> 00:01:58,034 the rarer it is,         the better the color, 30 00:01:58,076 --> 00:01:59,577 the more valuable it is. 31 00:01:59,619 --> 00:02:02,497 The greater the clarity,        the more beautiful it is. 32 00:02:04,415 --> 00:02:06,000 However,      it's the quality of the cut 33 00:02:06,042 --> 00:02:07,544 that gives the diamond            its brilliance. 34 00:02:08,169 --> 00:02:10,755 -  What about that one?      -  A very fine stone. 35 00:02:10,797 --> 00:02:12,465 Remarkably few inclusions. 36 00:02:12,507 --> 00:02:15,510 Yes, well, internal         characteristics are only 37 00:02:15,552 --> 00:02:17,178 really visible          through the loupe. 38 00:02:17,220 --> 00:02:18,847 Beautiful clarity. 39 00:02:24,227 --> 00:02:25,687 And, of course, 40 00:02:25,728 --> 00:02:27,814 you don't see       the high dispersion you get 41 00:02:27,856 --> 00:02:29,774 with simulated stones. 42 00:02:29,816 --> 00:02:31,276 It is a diamond, then? 43 00:02:48,126 --> 00:02:49,919 atmospheric music 44 00:03:16,863 --> 00:03:19,741 I like so much idea        about synthetic diamonds. 45 00:03:20,783 --> 00:03:23,745 It is much more cheaper           than natural stones. 46 00:03:24,537 --> 00:03:27,498 And also, they looks better. 47 00:03:30,251 --> 00:03:35,215 But if a diamond  can be produced in a laboratory, 48 00:03:35,256 --> 00:03:37,759 of the same or better quality, 49 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:39,260 for much, much cheaper, 50 00:03:39,302 --> 00:03:42,263 why should we still          mine for diamonds? 51 00:03:46,851 --> 00:03:48,478 Uh, that's... 52 00:03:48,519 --> 00:03:51,439 I can tell you only this is       a good question.  53 00:03:52,815 --> 00:03:57,612 Some people want something that       really belongs to the earth, 54 00:03:57,654 --> 00:04:00,323 something what is made by God, 55 00:04:00,365 --> 00:04:04,244 not made in the... some lab. 56 00:04:04,285 --> 00:04:06,579 What do you think about this? 57 00:04:13,711 --> 00:04:15,463 dramatic music 58 00:04:21,010 --> 00:04:23,221 Let me tell you a story, right? 59 00:04:23,263 --> 00:04:25,473 When I started     in the diamond business, um, 60 00:04:25,515 --> 00:04:27,934 and I was knocking on doors, 61 00:04:27,976 --> 00:04:30,645 my mother gave me $5,000 cash. 62 00:04:30,687 --> 00:04:32,647 I said, "Mom, I don't want         to take your money." 63 00:04:32,689 --> 00:04:34,607 She says, "I don't want you          to spend the money. 64 00:04:34,649 --> 00:04:36,442 I want you to put it            in your pocket. 65 00:04:36,484 --> 00:04:38,152 You'll talk differently              if you have 66 00:04:38,194 --> 00:04:40,238 $5,000 in your pocket." 67 00:04:40,280 --> 00:04:42,573 That's what she said to me. 68 00:04:42,615 --> 00:04:45,660 You wear something            that's valuable 69 00:04:45,702 --> 00:04:49,622 and you know it's valuable,        you strut differently. 70 00:04:49,664 --> 00:04:51,082 You feel different. 71 00:04:51,124 --> 00:04:53,167 Your sense of confidence,      your sense of who you are, 72 00:04:53,209 --> 00:04:54,377 is different. 73 00:04:54,419 --> 00:04:57,839 The real thing has... 74 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:00,800 brings with it a certain sense        of "I know it's real." 75 00:05:00,842 --> 00:05:04,679 You could have a Picasso            in your house-- 76 00:05:04,721 --> 00:05:07,056 it's a lithograph, 77 00:05:07,098 --> 00:05:10,059 and maybe no one knows that       it's not the real thing, 78 00:05:10,101 --> 00:05:12,312 but you do. 79 00:05:14,063 --> 00:05:15,565 When I tell people 80 00:05:15,606 --> 00:05:17,233 I'm gonna sit down         with Martin Rapaport, 81 00:05:17,275 --> 00:05:18,901 what I usually say is, 82 00:05:18,943 --> 00:05:20,278 "This is the most famous person       in the diamond industry. 83 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:21,779 He sets the prices of diamonds." 84 00:05:21,821 --> 00:05:23,823 Oh, I don't set the prices.         I report the prices. 85 00:05:23,865 --> 00:05:26,075 It's like the weatherman.       I don't make the weather. 86 00:05:26,117 --> 00:05:28,703 I let you know         what the weather is. 87 00:05:30,705 --> 00:05:32,373 -No.                 -Why? 88 00:05:33,207 --> 00:05:34,959 Because I don't think that... 89 00:05:35,001 --> 00:05:37,211 I don't legitimize a product    that I believe is gonna be seen 90 00:05:37,253 --> 00:05:41,215 as one of the most illegitimate     products in the 21st century. 91 00:05:44,927 --> 00:05:47,055 -When was 9/11?                -2001. 92 00:05:47,096 --> 00:05:49,640 Yeah. So, in 2003, 93 00:05:49,682 --> 00:05:53,478 I made a conference in New York        about synthetic diamonds. 94 00:05:53,519 --> 00:05:55,563 This is what the,        uh, machine looks like. 95 00:05:55,605 --> 00:05:58,524 And when we apply the pressure          and the temperature 96 00:05:58,566 --> 00:06:00,735 to this core, the... Whoa! 97 00:06:00,777 --> 00:06:02,987 Synthetic diamonds            were not that new, 98 00:06:03,029 --> 00:06:04,489 but the ability to create 99 00:06:04,530 --> 00:06:07,658 gem-quality         synthetic diamonds was. 100 00:06:07,700 --> 00:06:10,536 Visually, even to the most        experienced gemologist, 101 00:06:10,578 --> 00:06:13,873 they may be indistinguishable         from natural diamond. 102 00:06:16,376 --> 00:06:18,211 It's a big problem for all of us 103 00:06:18,252 --> 00:06:20,380 because it's already            on the market. 104 00:06:20,421 --> 00:06:22,256 It's already here. 105 00:06:22,298 --> 00:06:24,300 What are we going to do? 106 00:06:25,134 --> 00:06:26,844 A synthetic diamond 107 00:06:26,886 --> 00:06:29,597 will be produced     and reproduced with machines 108 00:06:29,639 --> 00:06:32,725 until supply exceeds demand. 109 00:06:32,767 --> 00:06:35,228 The consumer is used to           having technology 110 00:06:35,269 --> 00:06:38,356 bring them products    they otherwise couldn't afford. 111 00:06:38,398 --> 00:06:40,066 Simple as that. 112 00:06:40,108 --> 00:06:41,776 A diamond is a diamond. 113 00:06:41,818 --> 00:06:43,945 Are you crazy?      The wedding ring is a sign 114 00:06:43,986 --> 00:06:45,530 of ultimate commitment and love, 115 00:06:45,571 --> 00:06:47,448 and the woman doesn't        just think it's worth, 116 00:06:47,490 --> 00:06:48,950 I don't know, $80 or 120... 117 00:06:48,991 --> 00:06:51,452 "Put it on a scale,       and that's our marriage." 118 00:06:51,494 --> 00:06:53,538 No, no, no, not at all. 119 00:06:53,579 --> 00:06:57,458 The diamond's actually        a symbol of commitment. 120 00:06:57,500 --> 00:06:59,293 It has to be expensive. 121 00:06:59,335 --> 00:07:01,254 It has to have value.         Has to retain value. 122 00:07:01,295 --> 00:07:04,841 The woman projects       the value of the diamond 123 00:07:04,882 --> 00:07:06,843 onto herself. 124 00:07:06,884 --> 00:07:09,178 "He's giving me something            of great value 125 00:07:09,220 --> 00:07:12,098 because he values me greatly." 126 00:07:12,140 --> 00:07:15,935 He thinks she thinks,     "Oh, this is like a diamond. 127 00:07:15,977 --> 00:07:19,063 I just got a better deal        'cause it's man-made." 128 00:07:19,105 --> 00:07:20,606 They're suckers. 129 00:07:20,648 --> 00:07:22,692 Because eventually,        what's going to happen? 130 00:07:22,733 --> 00:07:24,277 They're gonna come back             in ten years, 131 00:07:24,318 --> 00:07:27,238 and they'll say,         "Oh, what's it worth? 132 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:29,532 What's my marriage worth? 133 00:07:29,574 --> 00:07:31,951 What's my relationship worth?" 134 00:07:32,952 --> 00:07:35,872 dramatic music 135 00:07:35,913 --> 00:07:38,458 I just think the idea of 136 00:07:38,499 --> 00:07:42,837 "is it real or isn't it real"              is so absurd. 137 00:07:42,879 --> 00:07:45,131 I was at a birthday party                in Paris, 138 00:07:45,173 --> 00:07:48,676 and the woman sitting next me,        she smiled and said, "So, 139 00:07:48,718 --> 00:07:50,178 what kind of jewelry            do you design?" 140 00:07:50,219 --> 00:07:54,599 I was like, "Um, well,      actually, I designed that. 141 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:56,684 I designed        your engagement ring." 142 00:07:56,726 --> 00:07:59,479 And she said,    "You design engagement rings?" 143 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:03,649 And I said, "No, I designed        your engagement ring." 144 00:08:04,901 --> 00:08:08,488 And her husband immediately        asked me what all men ask. 145 00:08:08,529 --> 00:08:10,281 They ask about the price. 146 00:08:10,323 --> 00:08:11,657 "Tell me the truth. 147 00:08:11,699 --> 00:08:13,367 Well, how much         should it have cost?" 148 00:08:13,409 --> 00:08:15,328 He just kept saying,         "Tell me the truth." 149 00:08:15,369 --> 00:08:18,164 And I said, "You want the truth?    Do you want to know the truth? 150 00:08:18,206 --> 00:08:20,458 The truth about diamonds is     they're all exactly the same 151 00:08:20,500 --> 00:08:22,710 and none of them are        really worth anything." 152 00:08:22,752 --> 00:08:24,378 And then, ultimately,              I was like, 153 00:08:24,420 --> 00:08:26,672 "Do you know what         a diamond cartel is?" 154 00:08:29,300 --> 00:08:31,427 Mm-hmm. 155 00:08:31,469 --> 00:08:33,429 People want a variety of things. 156 00:08:33,471 --> 00:08:35,139 None of them are particularly 157 00:08:35,181 --> 00:08:38,601 about romance or true love. 158 00:08:38,643 --> 00:08:40,269 suspenseful music 159 00:08:41,354 --> 00:08:42,813 People want things 160 00:08:42,855 --> 00:08:45,691 because they've been told              to want them. 161 00:08:45,733 --> 00:08:48,236 And De Beers has convinced 162 00:08:48,277 --> 00:08:51,822 hundreds of millions of people          over almost a century 163 00:08:51,864 --> 00:08:55,910 so effectively        that they want a diamond. 164 00:08:55,952 --> 00:08:59,413 And the way they did it       was by inventing a product-- 165 00:08:59,455 --> 00:09:01,499 they called it           an engagement ring-- 166 00:09:01,541 --> 00:09:03,960 that would hold these          little white diamonds, 167 00:09:04,001 --> 00:09:06,170 which were        the least desirable kind. 168 00:09:06,212 --> 00:09:07,338 But before that, 169 00:09:07,380 --> 00:09:08,673 nobody really wanted them, 170 00:09:08,714 --> 00:09:10,466 and this was just a way to get 171 00:09:10,508 --> 00:09:13,094 the new emerging middle class                of America 172 00:09:13,135 --> 00:09:15,304 after World War II to buy them. 173 00:09:15,346 --> 00:09:17,265 So, what is a diamond? 174 00:09:17,306 --> 00:09:18,641 What's a stone worth? 175 00:09:18,683 --> 00:09:20,226 Why do people want             what they want? 176 00:09:20,268 --> 00:09:22,812 And in this case, 177 00:09:22,853 --> 00:09:26,440 the answer is:     because they've been told to. 178 00:09:26,482 --> 00:09:27,692 That must've set you back a bit. 179 00:09:27,733 --> 00:09:29,735 Not really.       About two months' salary. 180 00:09:29,777 --> 00:09:31,904 Not much for something            that's forever. 181 00:09:31,946 --> 00:09:34,490 A diamond is forever. 182 00:09:35,283 --> 00:09:36,742 De Beers invented 183 00:09:36,784 --> 00:09:38,619 a way to sell them to people. 184 00:09:38,661 --> 00:09:43,207 People want the thing,             the best thing, 185 00:09:43,249 --> 00:09:45,543 and they've convinced them         that that's a diamond 186 00:09:45,585 --> 00:09:48,629 and nothing else. 187 00:09:50,590 --> 00:09:53,217 De Beers is          the diamond business, 188 00:09:53,259 --> 00:09:55,469 and this building is            where they control 189 00:09:55,511 --> 00:09:57,471 the world diamond trade. 190 00:09:58,139 --> 00:10:00,766 curious music 191 00:10:00,808 --> 00:10:03,978 By buying up most of       the world's uncut diamonds, 192 00:10:04,020 --> 00:10:07,815 the company can regulate supply           to select dealers... 193 00:10:09,191 --> 00:10:12,612 ...increasing it in good years          and reducing it in bad 194 00:10:12,653 --> 00:10:14,989 to keep prices high. 195 00:10:15,031 --> 00:10:17,825 A century after it began, 196 00:10:17,867 --> 00:10:21,120 the diamond cartel      still controls the production, 197 00:10:21,162 --> 00:10:24,332 the marketing and the pricing of  rough diamonds around the world. 198 00:10:24,373 --> 00:10:26,083 It's impossible to say 199 00:10:26,125 --> 00:10:30,504 factual statements about     De Beers without sounding... 200 00:10:32,214 --> 00:10:34,467 ...judgmental. 201 00:10:34,508 --> 00:10:36,677 Its monopolistic control 202 00:10:36,719 --> 00:10:38,346 violates U.S. antitrust laws, 203 00:10:38,387 --> 00:10:42,016 but the cartel has successfully           kept its executives 204 00:10:42,058 --> 00:10:43,851 beyond the reach           of American justice. 205 00:10:43,893 --> 00:10:45,519 Well, until there's 206 00:10:45,561 --> 00:10:48,522 a major crack in the market,        the cartel will survive 207 00:10:48,564 --> 00:10:50,983 simply because           it is too powerful. 208 00:10:51,025 --> 00:10:52,818 And that's fine,             because it's not 209 00:10:52,860 --> 00:10:55,154 about anything important;         it's about diamonds. 210 00:10:55,196 --> 00:10:57,531 De Beers executives are nervous          about all of this. 211 00:10:57,573 --> 00:10:58,908 They would not allow themselves 212 00:10:58,949 --> 00:11:00,368 to be interviewed             for   60 Minutes. 213 00:11:00,409 --> 00:11:02,036 Then again, 214 00:11:02,078 --> 00:11:03,871 it's very important      because it's moved capital 215 00:11:03,913 --> 00:11:06,749 across continents         for about 100 years. 216 00:11:22,390 --> 00:11:25,351 "Serena e Lomunno"            by Riz Ortolani 217 00:11:31,941 --> 00:11:33,567 History has always been 218 00:11:33,609 --> 00:11:35,736 part of the diamond world. 219 00:11:35,778 --> 00:11:37,029 The generation 220 00:11:37,071 --> 00:11:38,906 that preceded me within De Beers 221 00:11:38,948 --> 00:11:41,409 who would've, you know,        locked the front door, 222 00:11:41,450 --> 00:11:43,244 and nobody in, thank you. 223 00:11:43,285 --> 00:11:45,079 This interview       would not have happened. 224 00:11:45,121 --> 00:11:46,831 No, I don't think so. 225 00:11:48,457 --> 00:11:51,544 De Beers was controlled by      the Oppenheimers since really 226 00:11:51,585 --> 00:11:53,254 sort of the 1920s. 227 00:11:53,295 --> 00:11:57,049 But they're all gone,       and, well, I'm still there, 228 00:11:57,091 --> 00:11:58,843 so I carry on with the mission. 229 00:12:01,429 --> 00:12:06,267 Yeah, you know,     it helps in life to be lucky. 230 00:12:06,809 --> 00:12:09,603 There must have been            something ordained 231 00:12:09,645 --> 00:12:11,897 in the way I ended up. 232 00:12:11,939 --> 00:12:13,274 Some say, "What's your job,            then, Stephen?" 233 00:12:13,315 --> 00:12:15,109 Oh, well, you know,        in a way, my job is to 234 00:12:15,151 --> 00:12:18,070 inspire, I guess,             each generation 235 00:12:18,112 --> 00:12:22,366 with this extraordinary story             of the diamond. 236 00:12:22,408 --> 00:12:23,951 People don't know, huh, 237 00:12:23,993 --> 00:12:26,412 a diamond is like         three billion years old. 238 00:12:26,454 --> 00:12:27,955 Older than life. 239 00:12:28,914 --> 00:12:31,959 Some of them older        than stars in the sky. 240 00:12:34,795 --> 00:12:36,797 You can't make that. 241 00:12:36,839 --> 00:12:39,258 Yeah, we can synthesize carbon, 242 00:12:39,300 --> 00:12:42,303 but in reality,  we can't make what a diamond is. 243 00:12:42,344 --> 00:12:45,014 We can't make something       which is a billion years old 244 00:12:45,055 --> 00:12:47,641 that connects us    to the formation of the world. 245 00:12:47,683 --> 00:12:51,812 We can't make something where  every one is inherently unique. 246 00:12:51,854 --> 00:12:55,816 And we can't make something       that has an intrinsic rarity 247 00:12:55,858 --> 00:12:57,818 and preciousness to it. 248 00:12:57,860 --> 00:12:59,695 And the one thing that 249 00:12:59,737 --> 00:13:02,281 waried us a lot about          lab-grown diamonds 250 00:13:02,323 --> 00:13:05,659 is if they were marketed        in a way that pretended 251 00:13:05,701 --> 00:13:08,788 that they had the values          of a real diamond. 252 00:13:10,873 --> 00:13:13,793 playful music 253 00:13:16,212 --> 00:13:19,256 We're in the period            of misinformation. 254 00:13:19,298 --> 00:13:20,966 Well, confusion. 255 00:13:21,008 --> 00:13:23,344 People aren't quite sure     what it is or what it isn't, 256 00:13:23,385 --> 00:13:27,264 but, um, it's only         an existential threat 257 00:13:27,306 --> 00:13:31,268 if-if we somehow damage           the relationship 258 00:13:31,310 --> 00:13:34,772 that consumers have    with what a diamond really is. 259 00:13:41,904 --> 00:13:43,697 You know, there are         some ways to make it 260 00:13:43,739 --> 00:13:45,324 more difficult       for existing technology, 261 00:13:45,366 --> 00:13:47,243 but it doesn't mean that        there aren't solutions. 262 00:13:49,119 --> 00:13:51,705 We have a responsibility             to detect them. 263 00:13:51,747 --> 00:13:53,332 The question becomes: 264 00:13:53,374 --> 00:13:56,544 What type of technology          do you need to do so? 265 00:13:56,585 --> 00:13:58,087 Detection I'm not fussed about, 266 00:13:58,128 --> 00:14:00,589 because I know         what De Beers can do. 267 00:14:00,631 --> 00:14:02,383 dramatic music 268 00:14:10,432 --> 00:14:12,476 intriguing music 269 00:14:38,961 --> 00:14:40,588 Do you perceive aluminum 270 00:14:40,629 --> 00:14:42,298 as being a valuable material? 271 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:44,592 - Personally?             -Personally. 272 00:14:44,633 --> 00:14:45,759 -Aluminum?              -Aluminum. 273 00:14:45,801 --> 00:14:47,177 -Negative.                 -No. 274 00:14:47,219 --> 00:14:49,096 Do you know that          there's an aluminum 275 00:14:49,138 --> 00:14:52,182 little obelisk on top      of the Washington Monument? 276 00:14:53,809 --> 00:14:55,269 Because aluminum, at the time 277 00:14:55,311 --> 00:14:57,229 that the Washington Monument                was built, 278 00:14:57,271 --> 00:14:59,982 was some of the most      expensive material out there. 279 00:15:00,024 --> 00:15:02,651 It was really hard             to put together. 280 00:15:02,693 --> 00:15:05,321 You know, it was, like, a feat       that they had done this. 281 00:15:05,362 --> 00:15:07,531 And then,      like a couple years later, 282 00:15:07,573 --> 00:15:09,909 somebody comes up with a process       to mass-produce aluminum, 283 00:15:09,950 --> 00:15:11,702 and now it's dirt cheap. 284 00:15:11,744 --> 00:15:16,040 So, what was once, you know,       really coveted and valuable 285 00:15:16,081 --> 00:15:19,293 is just a commodity          that we throw away. 286 00:15:19,335 --> 00:15:21,420 You know, diamond's          gonna be the same. 287 00:15:22,546 --> 00:15:25,174 John Janik,         he is a Carnegie fellow 288 00:15:25,215 --> 00:15:27,468 from the Carnegie Institution. 289 00:15:27,509 --> 00:15:30,930 Okay, so here you have these,        um, synthetic diamonds. 290 00:15:30,971 --> 00:15:33,140 -Mm-hmm.       -And you actually, uh... 291 00:15:33,182 --> 00:15:34,975 you like to call them          cultured diamonds. 292 00:15:35,017 --> 00:15:36,435 You took them       to the Diamond District-- 293 00:15:36,477 --> 00:15:38,395 the real one--        not too far from here, 294 00:15:38,437 --> 00:15:40,272 and they couldn't tell            the difference. 295 00:15:40,314 --> 00:15:42,232 - Not-not... not a bit.              -Not a bit. 296 00:15:42,274 --> 00:15:44,109 And they appraised them             for basically 297 00:15:44,151 --> 00:15:45,778 what natural diamonds             would go for? 298 00:15:45,819 --> 00:15:47,488 That's right--         for wholesale prices. 299 00:15:47,529 --> 00:15:51,241 My PhD was in making crystals        of different materials. 300 00:15:51,825 --> 00:15:54,995 I would make rubies,         which is aluminum oxide 301 00:15:55,037 --> 00:15:57,957 with a little bit            of chromium in it. 302 00:15:57,998 --> 00:16:01,085 I made exotic uranium compounds. 303 00:16:01,126 --> 00:16:02,920 I made these materials,             and then I went 304 00:16:02,962 --> 00:16:04,505 and studied their properties. 305 00:16:04,546 --> 00:16:09,343 A crystal is just  a repeating structure of atoms. 306 00:16:09,385 --> 00:16:12,596 So, if you have a carbon       and a carbon and a carbon 307 00:16:12,638 --> 00:16:15,641 in a repeating pattern,       that's a diamond crystal. 308 00:16:15,683 --> 00:16:17,893 We can actually make diamonds         that are more perfect 309 00:16:17,935 --> 00:16:19,228 than natural diamonds. 310 00:16:19,269 --> 00:16:21,188 We can grow        about a carat per day. 311 00:16:21,230 --> 00:16:22,815 But it will be cheaper, though. 312 00:16:22,856 --> 00:16:24,733 -That's the whole point.    -You can't tell the difference. 313 00:16:24,775 --> 00:16:27,444 So, if you can't tell    the difference, John, then this 314 00:16:27,486 --> 00:16:30,447 inevitably has to hurt     the diamond market out there. 315 00:16:30,489 --> 00:16:32,241 You mean these things           have value? I... 316 00:16:32,282 --> 00:16:34,410 -I had no idea. 317 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:42,793 You got to understand, 318 00:16:42,835 --> 00:16:46,880 the sale of synthetic diamonds      as diamond engagement rings 319 00:16:46,922 --> 00:16:49,717 is a fundamental violation             of the ethics 320 00:16:49,758 --> 00:16:51,385 of the diamond industry,            in my opinion. 321 00:16:51,427 --> 00:16:53,012 But is-is it         just about the money? 322 00:16:53,053 --> 00:16:54,346 'Cause, you know, that's... 323 00:16:54,388 --> 00:16:56,890 You-you're hurting people           where it counts. 324 00:16:56,932 --> 00:16:59,893 You're kicking them          in their emotional, 325 00:16:59,935 --> 00:17:02,938 "I love you," commitment spot. 326 00:17:02,980 --> 00:17:04,898 This is terrible,          terrible, terrible! 327 00:17:04,940 --> 00:17:06,567 I mean, come on. 328 00:17:06,608 --> 00:17:09,194 If I want to rip you off,           fine, rip me off. 329 00:17:09,236 --> 00:17:12,489 Why rip me off       with what I gave my wife? 330 00:17:12,531 --> 00:17:16,452 There's a story of a guy who was      selling treated diamonds-- 331 00:17:16,493 --> 00:17:18,203 it's called        the Yehuda treatment-- 332 00:17:18,245 --> 00:17:20,748 but he charged everyone             a-a lot less. 333 00:17:20,789 --> 00:17:22,666 suspenseful music 334 00:17:22,708 --> 00:17:24,918 But when the women found out 335 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:27,671 that their diamonds             were treated, 336 00:17:27,713 --> 00:17:30,132 there was a line           around the block 337 00:17:30,174 --> 00:17:32,801 and around the block         and around the block 338 00:17:32,843 --> 00:17:34,636 to try to return the diamonds. 339 00:17:34,678 --> 00:17:38,098 The women, they felt       so cheated and so angry, 340 00:17:38,140 --> 00:17:42,561 and this guy, he gave everybody    the money till he had no money. 341 00:17:42,603 --> 00:17:45,189 Then he drank jewelry cleaner          and killed himself. 342 00:17:49,568 --> 00:17:52,279 And he didn't steal... he didn't      rip 'em off, theoretically. 343 00:17:52,321 --> 00:17:53,781 It wasn't about the money. 344 00:17:53,822 --> 00:17:55,365 It was the failure            to disclose it. 345 00:17:55,407 --> 00:17:57,034 Look, I don't know         what's gonna happen. 346 00:17:57,076 --> 00:17:58,911 Right?      But in ten years from now, 347 00:17:58,952 --> 00:18:00,412 there's an extremely great              likelihood 348 00:18:00,454 --> 00:18:02,623 that people are gonna          look back and say, 349 00:18:02,664 --> 00:18:04,583 "That diamond industry! 350 00:18:04,625 --> 00:18:06,919 They sold that stuff! 351 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:09,630 And it wasn't worth       the price I paid at all! 352 00:18:09,671 --> 00:18:10,756 What did they do to me?" 353 00:18:10,798 --> 00:18:12,132 And how is the woman gonna feel 354 00:18:12,174 --> 00:18:14,009 if she projects the value            of the diamond 355 00:18:14,051 --> 00:18:15,469 onto herself subconsciously? 356 00:18:15,511 --> 00:18:17,805 How is she gonna feel          about her diamond? 357 00:18:17,846 --> 00:18:19,973 intriguing music 358 00:18:20,015 --> 00:18:22,601 Let's say someone sees my ring 359 00:18:22,643 --> 00:18:24,728 and says, "Is that real?" 360 00:18:24,770 --> 00:18:25,896 Am I gonna say 361 00:18:25,938 --> 00:18:27,523 yes or no? 362 00:18:30,609 --> 00:18:32,945 No woman who thought      she could get away with it 363 00:18:32,986 --> 00:18:37,449 has ever, ever said,           "No, it's fake." 364 00:18:41,036 --> 00:18:44,289 Okay, but is         a diamond a diamond? 365 00:18:44,331 --> 00:18:46,208 What do you mean? 366 00:18:46,250 --> 00:18:48,168 I mean synthetic diamonds 367 00:18:48,210 --> 00:18:50,295 have leaked into       the natural diamond market. 368 00:18:50,337 --> 00:18:52,089 Really? 369 00:18:52,131 --> 00:18:54,007 There saying one percent, maybe, 370 00:18:54,049 --> 00:18:55,467 in the form of melee-- 371 00:18:55,509 --> 00:18:57,177 these teeny, teeny,             tiny diamonds 372 00:18:57,219 --> 00:18:58,846 that are sold in parcels. 373 00:18:58,887 --> 00:19:00,305 It's more like 20%. 374 00:19:00,347 --> 00:19:02,891 And nobody's even saying               what percent 375 00:19:02,933 --> 00:19:05,144 of larger stones are lab-grown. 376 00:19:09,731 --> 00:19:12,067 But for the diamond,    not for the synthetic diamond. 377 00:19:12,109 --> 00:19:14,069 The diamond was never real,                either. 378 00:19:14,111 --> 00:19:16,530 The diamond was always a lie. 379 00:19:16,572 --> 00:19:19,575 So the synthetic diamond      is just a lie about a lie, 380 00:19:19,616 --> 00:19:23,662 which I happen to think             is hilarious 381 00:19:23,704 --> 00:19:25,873 and sort of delightful. 382 00:19:27,124 --> 00:19:28,792 And one could argue         that synthetic diamonds, 383 00:19:28,834 --> 00:19:30,627 if what you're looking for is 384 00:19:30,669 --> 00:19:33,714 a really colorless,       flawless one-- no nitrogen, 385 00:19:33,755 --> 00:19:37,759 no nothing-- they can be made 386 00:19:37,801 --> 00:19:41,680 like nature intended       but never quite managed. 387 00:20:06,622 --> 00:20:08,415 tense music 388 00:20:44,868 --> 00:20:46,370 Every stone. 389 00:20:54,002 --> 00:20:56,421 Yeah. Yeah. 390 00:21:03,595 --> 00:21:05,389 This is really a problem,               you know? 391 00:21:17,192 --> 00:21:19,486 Two, three months before this, 392 00:21:19,528 --> 00:21:23,949 we publish that we found like      five percent stones mixed, 393 00:21:23,991 --> 00:21:26,159 you know, so... 394 00:21:30,038 --> 00:21:32,916 They would say,            "If De Beers says, 395 00:21:32,958 --> 00:21:36,503 'In the thousands of the stones,      we didn't found one stone,' 396 00:21:36,545 --> 00:21:40,841 then... the synthetics          is not a problem." 397 00:21:40,882 --> 00:21:44,219 Like, uh, "It doesn't matter." 398 00:21:57,024 --> 00:21:59,192 So, where are those stones? 399 00:21:59,234 --> 00:22:00,944 dramatic music 400 00:22:46,782 --> 00:22:51,453 No one will say, "I'm mixing     and I'm selling," of course. 401 00:22:51,495 --> 00:22:54,373 No one told me this,       but then they are saying, 402 00:22:54,414 --> 00:22:56,375 "Everybody are mixing 403 00:22:56,416 --> 00:22:59,211 if they can get the stones               from China." 404 00:23:13,892 --> 00:23:15,685 dramatic music 405 00:24:57,913 --> 00:25:01,708 - Wow. Wow. 406 00:25:01,750 --> 00:25:04,419 Mm-hmm. Okay. 407 00:25:14,095 --> 00:25:15,430 At the beginning, 408 00:25:15,472 --> 00:25:18,141 the quality was, uh... 409 00:25:18,183 --> 00:25:20,018 was, uh, problematic. 410 00:25:36,952 --> 00:25:39,037 Who is, who is buying             these stones? 411 00:25:39,079 --> 00:25:41,414 Where they are         selling these stones? 412 00:26:32,382 --> 00:26:35,427 Look, we don't really            sell diamonds. 413 00:26:35,468 --> 00:26:38,138 We sell the idea         behind the diamonds. 414 00:26:38,179 --> 00:26:40,265 And what's going on      with these synthetic guys, 415 00:26:40,307 --> 00:26:44,144 th-they're like parasites        getting under our skin, 416 00:26:44,185 --> 00:26:45,895 and they're trying to steal          the diamond dream. 417 00:26:45,937 --> 00:26:47,647 That's what they're really             trying to do. 418 00:26:47,689 --> 00:26:49,733 They're trying      to steal the diamond dream. 419 00:26:49,774 --> 00:26:52,485 But if they steal          the diamond dream, 420 00:26:52,527 --> 00:26:55,572 if they burn the diamonds           down to the core, 421 00:26:55,614 --> 00:26:58,158 if they destroy        the basic customer base 422 00:26:58,199 --> 00:26:59,993 for buying diamonds 423 00:27:00,035 --> 00:27:02,912 as the ultimate symbol          of committed love, 424 00:27:02,954 --> 00:27:05,373 now they've destroyed            the whole idea. 425 00:27:05,415 --> 00:27:08,668 And that's the challenge that  we face in the diamond industry. 426 00:27:13,214 --> 00:27:14,591 A young girl... 427 00:27:17,886 --> 00:27:20,263 ...thinks about life 428 00:27:20,305 --> 00:27:23,266 and her future and what's         going to happen to her. 429 00:27:23,308 --> 00:27:28,355 And she imagines one day          she will fall in love. 430 00:27:29,147 --> 00:27:30,565 And she'll get married. 431 00:27:30,607 --> 00:27:34,527 And that person         will give her a diamond. 432 00:27:34,569 --> 00:27:36,279 And so the diamond dream                is about: 433 00:27:36,321 --> 00:27:39,407 What will life bring me? 434 00:27:39,449 --> 00:27:41,618 What greatness? What happiness? 435 00:27:41,660 --> 00:27:43,703 What's gonna happen to me? 436 00:27:43,745 --> 00:27:46,623 As a ten-year-old girl, even. 437 00:27:48,875 --> 00:27:51,836 The diamond dream         is about relationships. 438 00:27:51,878 --> 00:27:55,548 The human condition        is about relationships. 439 00:27:55,590 --> 00:27:58,968 We don't want to die alone. 440 00:28:04,015 --> 00:28:06,351 I think the diamond...     you know, the-the words, huh, 441 00:28:06,393 --> 00:28:09,854 "a diamond dream," um, 442 00:28:09,896 --> 00:28:12,399 were probably something        I just thought up, huh? 443 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,360 playful music 444 00:28:19,989 --> 00:28:22,534 But actually, it existed          long before De Beers. 445 00:28:22,575 --> 00:28:25,954 You know, it goes well back         to the Duke of Burgundy, 446 00:28:25,995 --> 00:28:27,997 apparently, according to legend, 447 00:28:28,039 --> 00:28:31,501 who gave the first         diamond betrothal ring. 448 00:28:31,543 --> 00:28:35,004 No marketer told him              to do so, huh? 449 00:28:35,046 --> 00:28:38,341 And that core reason he did it           is as true today 450 00:28:38,383 --> 00:28:40,510 as it was then, which is that 451 00:28:40,552 --> 00:28:45,473 he was seeking to send      this symbol to his future wife 452 00:28:45,515 --> 00:28:47,767 that she was precious to him 453 00:28:47,809 --> 00:28:50,186 and that this moment        that they were marking 454 00:28:50,228 --> 00:28:51,604 was something precious. 455 00:28:51,646 --> 00:28:53,106 No, because diamond cutting 456 00:28:53,148 --> 00:28:55,108 had just been perfected               in Bruges 457 00:28:55,150 --> 00:28:58,528 and he wanted Bruges as part     of a multinational land deal 458 00:28:58,570 --> 00:29:01,656 that involved marrying           Mary of Burgundy. 459 00:29:01,698 --> 00:29:03,450 God, I wish people in history 460 00:29:03,491 --> 00:29:05,827 were named something           other than Mary. 461 00:29:05,869 --> 00:29:08,872 And I would assume        he knows that-- maybe-- 462 00:29:08,913 --> 00:29:12,208 but, no, it wasn't 'cause       it was a precious object. 463 00:29:12,250 --> 00:29:14,335 It was a token, for sure. 464 00:29:14,377 --> 00:29:17,839 And he didn't give it to her;       he gave it to her father. 465 00:29:17,881 --> 00:29:19,758 And-and the point being? 466 00:29:19,799 --> 00:29:23,136 The point being       that that story is bunk. 467 00:29:23,178 --> 00:29:24,679 Or... 468 00:29:24,721 --> 00:29:26,306 it's what you make out of it. 469 00:29:26,347 --> 00:29:27,724 It's kind of like a diamond. 470 00:29:27,766 --> 00:29:29,809 It's an ugly rock        that if you cut enough 471 00:29:29,851 --> 00:29:31,644 reflective windows into it, 472 00:29:31,686 --> 00:29:34,439 it looks like something else. 473 00:29:34,481 --> 00:29:37,525 The 92-carat D color flawless, 474 00:29:37,567 --> 00:29:39,486 heart-shaped diamond and pearl, 475 00:29:39,527 --> 00:29:41,821 the largest        D color flawless heart 476 00:29:41,863 --> 00:29:43,239 to be offered for sale             at auction... 477 00:29:43,281 --> 00:29:46,159 Like, those large diamonds, 478 00:29:46,201 --> 00:29:48,745 those famous diamonds, 479 00:29:48,787 --> 00:29:51,539 they act like it's      a once-in-a-lifetime find, 480 00:29:51,581 --> 00:29:53,500 and yet, every time you look, 481 00:29:53,541 --> 00:29:58,338 Sotheby's or Christie's        is auctioning another one. 482 00:29:58,379 --> 00:30:01,966 It's the largest D flawless    diamond to ever come to market. 483 00:30:02,008 --> 00:30:06,262 It is the largest emerald cut       ever offered at auction. 484 00:30:06,304 --> 00:30:08,306 But the truth is there are 485 00:30:08,348 --> 00:30:10,850 a lot of diamonds waiting             for the company 486 00:30:10,892 --> 00:30:15,814 to have a good reason      to have a miraculous find, 487 00:30:15,855 --> 00:30:19,692 and then someone-- let's say... 488 00:30:19,734 --> 00:30:22,695 someone with a skill set         very much like mine-- 489 00:30:22,737 --> 00:30:26,866 would be hired       under nondisclosure terms 490 00:30:26,908 --> 00:30:31,079 to spin a sort of fantasy 491 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,706 about how        this diamond was found. 492 00:30:33,748 --> 00:30:37,585 The story that I'm about    to tell you surpasses all those 493 00:30:37,627 --> 00:30:39,546 that nourish my memory. 494 00:30:39,587 --> 00:30:43,383 Never shall I forget the miracle       of the Queen of Kalahari. 495 00:30:43,424 --> 00:30:44,884 It has to be the right name 496 00:30:44,926 --> 00:30:46,386 and the right story. 497 00:30:46,427 --> 00:30:48,847 They have origin stories,           like superheroes. 498 00:30:48,888 --> 00:30:51,432 In the clouded           mountains of Africa, 499 00:30:51,474 --> 00:30:54,394 an incredible treasure             was discovered. 500 00:30:54,853 --> 00:30:56,938 It was an abandoned section             of the mine, 501 00:30:56,980 --> 00:30:58,773 and it was just about          to be closed down. 502 00:30:58,815 --> 00:31:00,817 A miner found 503 00:31:00,859 --> 00:31:03,903 something glistening,         and with a penknife, 504 00:31:03,945 --> 00:31:05,321 he picked it out. 505 00:31:05,363 --> 00:31:07,073 We weren't sure          what it was, and... 506 00:31:07,115 --> 00:31:09,158 He took it         to his surface manager, 507 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:10,910 who looked at          this great big lump 508 00:31:10,952 --> 00:31:13,204 and threw it out the window,                saying, 509 00:31:13,246 --> 00:31:14,581 "It's a piece of rock crystal." 510 00:31:14,622 --> 00:31:16,082 And then, as we were taking 511 00:31:16,124 --> 00:31:18,084 one last look at it          in the setting sun, 512 00:31:18,126 --> 00:31:21,212 we saw something glinting,                and... 513 00:31:21,254 --> 00:31:24,382 The miner retrieved it,      and they looked at it again 514 00:31:24,424 --> 00:31:28,678 and realized that it was             a 3,106-carat 515 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:30,555 rough diamond. 516 00:31:30,597 --> 00:31:33,516 Lo and behold, it's this giant,           beautiful diamond 517 00:31:33,558 --> 00:31:35,435 that will then      be marketed with, you know, 518 00:31:35,476 --> 00:31:38,479 vistas of a sunset      with something that makes them 519 00:31:38,521 --> 00:31:42,066 think of Africa,          as though Africa isn't 520 00:31:42,108 --> 00:31:46,279 a gigantic continent comprised        of dozens of countries, 521 00:31:46,321 --> 00:31:48,156 most of which have nothing         to do with diamonds. 522 00:31:48,197 --> 00:31:50,742 Welcome to the Karowe mine! 523 00:31:50,783 --> 00:31:53,077 But the truth is 524 00:31:53,119 --> 00:31:54,913 it got pulled out by a bulldozer 525 00:31:54,954 --> 00:31:59,250 in a pile of dirt and waste, 526 00:31:59,292 --> 00:32:00,752 and that is how          it was discovered. 527 00:32:00,793 --> 00:32:03,129 -Sold! 528 00:32:03,171 --> 00:32:05,506 So it's like every origin story. 529 00:32:05,548 --> 00:32:08,426 It's been... embroidered. 530 00:32:15,475 --> 00:32:17,226 intriguing music 531 00:32:23,358 --> 00:32:26,069 The whole concept           of-of romantic love 532 00:32:26,110 --> 00:32:28,112 is actually a fairly new concept 533 00:32:28,154 --> 00:32:30,448 that's probably       less than 150 years old, 534 00:32:30,490 --> 00:32:33,618 let alone giving         these expensive gifts 535 00:32:33,660 --> 00:32:35,453 as-as a token of-of that love. 536 00:32:35,495 --> 00:32:38,498 That's even newer.          That's 100 years old. 537 00:32:38,539 --> 00:32:40,249 John, it is your business. 538 00:32:40,291 --> 00:32:42,210 It is my business. Yeah. 539 00:32:42,251 --> 00:32:43,503 But you don't have to buy           somebody's story. 540 00:32:43,544 --> 00:32:45,296 You don't have to buy            the marketing. 541 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,508 I was that kid that would,        like, ask questions like, 542 00:32:48,549 --> 00:32:50,218 "If we're all descendant 543 00:32:50,259 --> 00:32:53,471 from Adam and Eve, how-how come        we're not all inbred?" 544 00:32:53,513 --> 00:32:55,181 And, you know, 545 00:32:55,223 --> 00:32:57,183 the answers I would get            from adults were: 546 00:32:57,225 --> 00:33:00,019 "Shut up. You don't ask          questions like that." 547 00:33:00,061 --> 00:33:01,729 And I realized as a little kid, 548 00:33:01,771 --> 00:33:03,272 if adults don't have               good answers 549 00:33:03,314 --> 00:33:04,774 for these questions,            they don't know 550 00:33:04,816 --> 00:33:06,317 what the fuck        they're talking about. 551 00:33:07,527 --> 00:33:09,988 So my fundamental belief       is that the value of diamond 552 00:33:10,029 --> 00:33:13,199 is in its technological               capability. 553 00:33:13,241 --> 00:33:15,702 Diamond has the same       transformative potential 554 00:33:15,743 --> 00:33:17,787 that silicon did have, 555 00:33:17,829 --> 00:33:22,041 and I do think that probably          within 15 to 20 years 556 00:33:22,083 --> 00:33:25,378 we'll see amazingly fast           diamond transistors 557 00:33:25,420 --> 00:33:28,339 in a lot of         our personal devices. 558 00:33:28,381 --> 00:33:30,008 Five... 559 00:33:30,049 --> 00:33:31,634 But we don't think             of it that way. 560 00:33:31,676 --> 00:33:34,887 We think of it as a gemstone,              so, you know, 561 00:33:34,929 --> 00:33:38,141 I got to do what I got to do,                 which is 562 00:33:38,182 --> 00:33:42,478 make money by destroying            a gem industry 563 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,857 to create a new industry    that I think is more valuable. 564 00:33:45,898 --> 00:33:47,900 You know, creative destruction. 565 00:33:47,942 --> 00:33:49,610 Isn't that... wasn't that Shiva? 566 00:33:57,618 --> 00:33:59,412 atmospheric music 567 00:34:20,349 --> 00:34:23,728 I mean, could be, could be          whatever, you know? 568 00:34:23,770 --> 00:34:25,772 dramatic music 569 00:34:42,330 --> 00:34:43,956 They are polishing whatever. 570 00:34:43,998 --> 00:34:47,335 You can send him...            what you have. 571 00:34:58,846 --> 00:35:01,224 curious music 572 00:35:08,815 --> 00:35:10,983 Very, very secret. 573 00:35:11,025 --> 00:35:13,653 So, actually seeing... 574 00:35:13,694 --> 00:35:14,946 You can't. 575 00:35:15,446 --> 00:35:18,032 And what are they           really scared about? 576 00:35:18,074 --> 00:35:19,325 They are scared, you know... 577 00:35:37,343 --> 00:35:38,511 Every day. 578 00:35:45,017 --> 00:35:47,270 ...they have to go out. 579 00:35:48,062 --> 00:35:50,940 Legally. Or illegally. 580 00:36:00,241 --> 00:36:01,909 Because when are you a thief? 581 00:36:01,951 --> 00:36:03,828 Only when you're caught. 582 00:36:03,870 --> 00:36:07,665 Until then,       you're an honest person. 583 00:36:09,500 --> 00:36:12,336 It's not synthetics           which is a problem. 584 00:36:24,807 --> 00:36:28,519 Yeah, it is fraud. It is fraud.        It is downright fraud. 585 00:36:31,606 --> 00:36:33,524 Many, many sources            in the market. 586 00:37:05,806 --> 00:37:08,100 Nobody can enter. 587 00:37:17,693 --> 00:37:20,738 "Ho You Come Here Naughty Boy"            by Naheed Parvez 588 00:37:20,780 --> 00:37:22,573 singer vocalizing 589 00:38:19,213 --> 00:38:23,634 Come here, naughty boy 590 00:38:30,766 --> 00:38:34,895 Oh, you, come here 591 00:38:34,937 --> 00:38:39,317 Naughty boy, naughty boy 592 00:38:42,862 --> 00:38:47,116 Oh, you, come here 593 00:38:47,158 --> 00:38:50,661 Naughty boy, naughty boy... 594 00:39:02,340 --> 00:39:04,300 singer vocalizing 595 00:39:19,982 --> 00:39:22,485 But they're in    the market mixed with naturals? 596 00:39:22,526 --> 00:39:24,653 Is that what he's saying? 597 00:39:31,410 --> 00:39:34,747 Oh, you, come here... 598 00:39:50,262 --> 00:39:54,100 Oh, you, come here 599 00:39:54,141 --> 00:39:58,437 Naughty boy, naughty boy 600 00:39:58,479 --> 00:40:00,606 song ends 601 00:40:21,127 --> 00:40:24,046 This edition      of International Diamond Week 602 00:40:24,088 --> 00:40:26,632 is taking place during 603 00:40:26,674 --> 00:40:29,468 the most sensitive period 604 00:40:29,510 --> 00:40:32,763 the world diamond industry             has ever known. 605 00:40:50,156 --> 00:40:53,367 That's a tough, uh, thing to do. 606 00:40:53,409 --> 00:40:55,369 Both are real diamonds. 607 00:40:55,411 --> 00:40:57,121 You know? Both are       real diamonds. You know? 608 00:40:57,163 --> 00:40:58,956 The polished diamond output 609 00:40:58,998 --> 00:41:01,500 of one dominant       synthetic rough producer 610 00:41:01,542 --> 00:41:04,003 is said to enter          the consumer market 611 00:41:04,044 --> 00:41:06,172 largely undisclosed. 612 00:41:06,213 --> 00:41:07,506 So winter is coming. 613 00:41:27,151 --> 00:41:29,361 Everybody I know knows about it. 614 00:41:32,531 --> 00:41:34,074 -Zero.       -Because then they would 615 00:41:34,116 --> 00:41:37,703 start asking questions, and...             who benefits? 616 00:41:41,874 --> 00:41:44,710 How? I mean, the police         don't have any clue. 617 00:41:44,752 --> 00:41:47,046 You can't make out            the difference. 618 00:41:47,087 --> 00:41:49,381 You need special equipment. 619 00:41:49,423 --> 00:41:51,383 There's always been mixing. 620 00:41:51,425 --> 00:41:53,719 The problem is not the mixing. 621 00:41:53,761 --> 00:41:56,222 The problem is consumers     finding out about the mixing. 622 00:41:56,263 --> 00:41:59,558 As long as nobody found out,         nobody cares, right? 623 00:42:01,143 --> 00:42:02,937 Somebody sells me           a synthetic diamond, 624 00:42:02,978 --> 00:42:04,355 and I don't know it. 625 00:42:04,396 --> 00:42:06,232 Who was the crime            committed against? 626 00:42:06,273 --> 00:42:08,901 Was it committed against me? 627 00:42:09,735 --> 00:42:11,403 I wanted 628 00:42:11,445 --> 00:42:14,156 a diamond, and here I have one. 629 00:42:14,198 --> 00:42:16,325 So I'm happy. 630 00:42:16,367 --> 00:42:18,369 And if I don't know             the difference, 631 00:42:18,410 --> 00:42:20,412 the difference doesn't exist. 632 00:42:38,097 --> 00:42:39,765 You don't know. 633 00:42:40,933 --> 00:42:42,851 You don't know. 634 00:42:55,197 --> 00:42:57,783 intriguing music 635 00:43:38,157 --> 00:43:42,328 So it means there is       no simple identification. 636 00:43:42,369 --> 00:43:44,830 Not simple, not fast. 637 00:43:44,872 --> 00:43:48,584 Doesn't exist and will        never exist, you know. 638 00:43:50,169 --> 00:43:52,504 uplifting music 639 00:43:59,053 --> 00:44:01,847 The International Institute     of Diamond Grading & Research 640 00:44:01,889 --> 00:44:04,433 is a very new, important        business for De Beers. 641 00:44:04,475 --> 00:44:08,354 It's focused primarily currently    on selling detection equipment 642 00:44:08,395 --> 00:44:10,397 around the world. 643 00:44:16,070 --> 00:44:19,156 Welcome to      the new world of authenticity. 644 00:44:19,198 --> 00:44:21,700 Alrosa Diamond Inspector         is a mini laboratory... 645 00:44:21,742 --> 00:44:23,661 GIA's gem-testing device 646 00:44:23,702 --> 00:44:25,663 distinguishes natural diamonds 647 00:44:25,704 --> 00:44:27,456 from laboratory-grown               diamonds... 648 00:44:27,498 --> 00:44:30,668 It comes with the fastest     and smartest technology ever. 649 00:44:30,709 --> 00:44:32,294 Pass. 650 00:44:32,336 --> 00:44:34,046 It's like your own           portable gemologist. 651 00:44:34,088 --> 00:44:35,631 A person with          no technical knowledge 652 00:44:35,673 --> 00:44:37,549 can easily learn        and operate the system. 653 00:44:37,591 --> 00:44:40,803 ...desktop instrument           is easy to operate. 654 00:44:49,937 --> 00:44:52,022 Come on. I was like, uh... 655 00:44:52,064 --> 00:44:56,944 All of us, small guys,        small labs, everything, 656 00:44:56,985 --> 00:45:01,073 will-will go, will go...       will be closed very soon. 657 00:45:10,666 --> 00:45:12,459 tense music 658 00:45:12,501 --> 00:45:15,462 They only put the melee         through those machines. 659 00:45:15,504 --> 00:45:16,922 Because its purpose 660 00:45:16,964 --> 00:45:20,050 is not to subvert        any criminal activity. 661 00:45:20,092 --> 00:45:23,929 It's to make everyone else    feel safe so there's no panic. 662 00:45:23,971 --> 00:45:26,056 Security theater. 663 00:45:37,401 --> 00:45:41,613 Uh, surprise, your big diamond          might be fake, too, 664 00:45:41,655 --> 00:45:45,117 even if you have      that nice GIA certificate. 665 00:45:45,159 --> 00:45:46,869 What do you mean? 666 00:45:46,910 --> 00:45:49,872 I mean you might buy a diamond        with a GIA certificate 667 00:45:49,913 --> 00:45:53,125 telling you where it's from,          where it was mined, 668 00:45:53,167 --> 00:45:58,130 that it's a for-real, actual      and conflict-free diamond, 669 00:45:58,172 --> 00:46:00,799 and the only thing that     you might be conflicted about 670 00:46:00,841 --> 00:46:02,926 is the fact that it's not. 671 00:46:05,304 --> 00:46:08,182 Mm-hmm, and that certificate            is-is like a... 672 00:46:08,223 --> 00:46:09,850 it's like a bearer bond. 673 00:46:09,892 --> 00:46:12,144 If you have it,         you could have any... 674 00:46:12,186 --> 00:46:13,896 you could...     you could have a tennis ball 675 00:46:13,937 --> 00:46:17,733 and one of those certificates,          and if they match, 676 00:46:17,775 --> 00:46:21,111 you-you have to accept         that this tennis ball 677 00:46:21,153 --> 00:46:24,072 is a really weird-looking               diamond. 678 00:46:24,114 --> 00:46:25,741 So there's a whole           cottage industry 679 00:46:25,783 --> 00:46:27,910 in making fake          birth certificates 680 00:46:27,951 --> 00:46:31,330 for "fake"        or lab-grown diamonds. 681 00:46:31,371 --> 00:46:32,790 intriguing music 682 00:46:45,385 --> 00:46:47,930 Well, that's why De Beers      ha-had to respond to that. 683 00:46:47,971 --> 00:46:50,140 'Cause we heard stories              of mixing. 684 00:46:50,182 --> 00:46:53,185 And-and it doesn't matter to me        whether it's, you know, 685 00:46:53,227 --> 00:46:56,021 a ten-carat diamond, you know,     worth half a million dollars 686 00:46:56,063 --> 00:46:57,981 or whether it-it's            a one-pointer. 687 00:46:58,023 --> 00:47:00,359 The-the-the promise             you're making 688 00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:02,778 is that they're all          miracles of nature. 689 00:47:07,908 --> 00:47:10,702 The role diamonds play            are about marking 690 00:47:10,744 --> 00:47:12,663 important moments in life 691 00:47:12,704 --> 00:47:17,251 with something that is  intrinsically rare and precious. 692 00:47:18,544 --> 00:47:20,629 And you can't make that. 693 00:47:20,671 --> 00:47:22,506 It's impossible. 694 00:47:22,548 --> 00:47:26,844 It's not about the money,  but it is about precious things, 695 00:47:26,885 --> 00:47:29,137 you know, do cost money. 696 00:47:29,179 --> 00:47:30,514 It's all greed. 697 00:47:30,556 --> 00:47:32,182 What do you mean? 698 00:47:32,224 --> 00:47:34,184 You know, if you want to make       money off of these mines, 699 00:47:34,226 --> 00:47:36,353 you got to pretend         like they're scarce. 700 00:47:36,395 --> 00:47:39,273 You know,       for many, many, many years, 701 00:47:39,314 --> 00:47:43,026 people only found diamonds in  riverbeds and streams in India, 702 00:47:43,068 --> 00:47:45,195 but then, at some point, 703 00:47:45,237 --> 00:47:48,866 people found that there's these     deposits called kimberlites. 704 00:47:48,907 --> 00:47:51,159 You know, kimberlite pipes              are not rare. 705 00:47:51,201 --> 00:47:52,870 They're all over the world. 706 00:47:52,911 --> 00:47:54,913 And then they just started               mining 'em. 707 00:47:56,790 --> 00:47:59,585 So the reality is             that diamond is 708 00:47:59,626 --> 00:48:02,421 one of the most common gemstones      on the face of the planet. 709 00:48:02,462 --> 00:48:05,007 But De Beers keeps them 710 00:48:05,048 --> 00:48:07,217 off to the side and says,        "No, we don't have 'em. 711 00:48:07,259 --> 00:48:08,969 We don't know what        you're talking about." 712 00:48:09,011 --> 00:48:10,804 And they control the prices. 713 00:48:10,846 --> 00:48:13,473 They want you          to continue believing 714 00:48:13,515 --> 00:48:16,435 that your natural gemstone  is valuable and unique and rare 715 00:48:16,476 --> 00:48:19,271 and precious, just like       your love, but it's not. 716 00:48:19,313 --> 00:48:21,940 It's-it's just like           everybody else's. 717 00:48:21,982 --> 00:48:24,401 These are diamonds. 718 00:48:24,443 --> 00:48:25,986 All of those bags, 719 00:48:26,028 --> 00:48:27,613 all the way to the ceiling,             are diamonds? 720 00:48:27,654 --> 00:48:29,281 Yes. 721 00:48:29,323 --> 00:48:30,824 And how many other rooms 722 00:48:30,866 --> 00:48:32,326 do you have like this? 723 00:48:32,367 --> 00:48:35,203 Oh, about, uh, 28 rooms. 724 00:48:35,245 --> 00:48:38,081 How many millions  of carats do you have down here? 725 00:48:38,123 --> 00:48:40,167 No, that is a commercial secret. 726 00:48:40,208 --> 00:48:43,462 So this is one of the last       great secrets of Russia? 727 00:48:43,503 --> 00:48:48,550 It's a secret for any    organization storing diamonds. 728 00:48:48,592 --> 00:48:50,135 There are enough 729 00:48:50,177 --> 00:48:52,304 for every man, woman         and child on the planet 730 00:48:52,346 --> 00:48:54,723 to have a half-carat              diamond ring, 731 00:48:54,765 --> 00:48:56,266 with a half a billion 732 00:48:56,308 --> 00:48:58,226 carats left over. 733 00:48:58,268 --> 00:48:59,811 There are a lot of diamonds. 734 00:48:59,853 --> 00:49:01,563 They're not scarce or rare. 735 00:49:01,605 --> 00:49:04,316 So I'm sorry you're asking    the only chick you got on film 736 00:49:04,358 --> 00:49:06,610 and I have nothing romantic           to say about it, 737 00:49:06,652 --> 00:49:08,528 but they are an economic good, 738 00:49:08,570 --> 00:49:10,322 and they put them           in ring holders. 739 00:49:12,407 --> 00:49:14,451 Well, you know, 740 00:49:14,493 --> 00:49:16,370 we're probably past peak supply. 741 00:49:16,411 --> 00:49:18,246 Yeah. 742 00:49:19,581 --> 00:49:22,376 It's fascinating          to me when I look back 743 00:49:22,417 --> 00:49:24,503 on how my life developed             the way it did, 744 00:49:24,544 --> 00:49:26,046 because my first interaction 745 00:49:26,088 --> 00:49:28,423 with the world of diamonds               was actually 746 00:49:28,465 --> 00:49:31,593 well before I ever knew          that I would end up 747 00:49:31,635 --> 00:49:34,346 within De Beers or within the...       within the diamond world. 748 00:49:36,306 --> 00:49:39,267 You know, I grew up        in Schenectady, New York, 749 00:49:39,309 --> 00:49:42,354 the old headquarters           of General Electric, 750 00:49:42,396 --> 00:49:46,817 the early synthesizer          of industrial diamond. 751 00:49:46,858 --> 00:49:49,653 A scientist at General Electric,                Mr. Hall, 752 00:49:49,695 --> 00:49:51,238 he was the next-door neighbor. 753 00:49:51,279 --> 00:49:53,031 He'd give me five dollars           every time it snowed 754 00:49:53,073 --> 00:49:54,866 to shovel his walk. 755 00:49:54,908 --> 00:49:58,662 Dr. H. Tracy Hall        is a world-famous chemist. 756 00:49:58,704 --> 00:50:01,873 He is one of the inventors      of the first practical process 757 00:50:01,915 --> 00:50:06,461 for making large quantities          of man-made diamonds. 758 00:50:06,503 --> 00:50:08,880 It was the sidewalk          from his front door 759 00:50:08,922 --> 00:50:11,675 and then across the street           that I had to do 760 00:50:11,717 --> 00:50:13,552 with my shovel. 761 00:50:13,593 --> 00:50:15,220 And he'd come out and inspect it 762 00:50:15,262 --> 00:50:17,055 before he'd give me         the five-dollar bill. 763 00:50:18,598 --> 00:50:20,392 Do you remember Tracy Hall? 764 00:50:20,434 --> 00:50:22,561 I remember him         as being scary.   765 00:50:22,602 --> 00:50:26,023 That is one of       the most incredible stories. 766 00:50:26,064 --> 00:50:28,233 From shoveling         Tracy Hall's driveway 767 00:50:28,275 --> 00:50:30,402 to marrying an Oppenheimer. 768 00:50:30,444 --> 00:50:33,238 I did think subsequently,          "What if I had left 769 00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:35,907 just a little bit more ice     on that pavement?"  770 00:50:35,949 --> 00:50:37,117 Really? 771 00:50:37,159 --> 00:50:38,618 Well, would we have had 772 00:50:38,660 --> 00:50:39,911 another couple of decades 773 00:50:39,953 --> 00:50:41,246 without synthesized diamond? 774 00:50:42,247 --> 00:50:45,042 dramatic music 775 00:50:47,169 --> 00:50:49,379 I think the fact that 776 00:50:49,421 --> 00:50:51,757 the very top brass at De Beers 777 00:50:51,798 --> 00:50:54,593 sat in a room with you         and signed a release, 778 00:50:54,634 --> 00:50:57,929 it's a sign        of incredible weakness. 779 00:51:00,599 --> 00:51:04,603 Compared to five years ago,       there would be no interview. 780 00:51:04,644 --> 00:51:06,521 There would never be              an interview. 781 00:51:06,563 --> 00:51:08,398 There's a lot of reasons                for that. 782 00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:10,067 One of them is, 783 00:51:10,108 --> 00:51:13,445 if synthetic diamond jewelry    ever takes a big market share-- 784 00:51:13,487 --> 00:51:15,614 which I think         it very well could-- 785 00:51:15,655 --> 00:51:17,699 then it would end up         like cultured pearls. 786 00:51:17,741 --> 00:51:19,868 No one would remember      there was ever a difference 787 00:51:19,910 --> 00:51:22,579 between cultured diamonds      and not-cultured diamonds. 788 00:51:22,621 --> 00:51:25,415 I don't even bother         keeping them separate 789 00:51:25,457 --> 00:51:27,876 in my jewelry boxes. 790 00:51:42,390 --> 00:51:45,519 If you want people     to really absorb information, 791 00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:47,813 you need to be able          to tell it to them 792 00:51:47,854 --> 00:51:50,190 in a way that is memorable. 793 00:51:50,232 --> 00:51:52,150 That's the definition           of a storyteller. 794 00:51:54,736 --> 00:51:57,656 Stories are the only way             in today's world 795 00:51:57,697 --> 00:52:02,285 people can absorb information             in any depth. 796 00:52:02,327 --> 00:52:05,956 In the old days,      it was more classic marketing. 797 00:52:05,997 --> 00:52:10,669 You know, I could buy NBC, CBS,      and you all saw it in a week. 798 00:52:10,710 --> 00:52:13,130 But now it's-it's more core. 799 00:52:13,171 --> 00:52:15,173 You need to take a step back. 800 00:52:15,215 --> 00:52:17,676 It's not about myths.           It's about truth. 801 00:52:17,717 --> 00:52:22,514 And truth is a good thing     if your story is a good one. 802 00:52:22,556 --> 00:52:24,808 gentle music 803 00:52:27,853 --> 00:52:29,688 Actually, here in Botswana, 804 00:52:29,729 --> 00:52:32,023 the world's leading producer               of diamonds, 805 00:52:32,065 --> 00:52:35,694 there's a huge positive benefit    created by the natural diamond. 806 00:52:43,285 --> 00:52:45,370 You know, sometimes           synthetic producers 807 00:52:45,412 --> 00:52:47,080 try and position their product 808 00:52:47,122 --> 00:52:49,708 as somehow an ethical      or environmental alternative. 809 00:52:49,749 --> 00:52:52,043 They say, "Oh, we don't make        a hole in the ground." 810 00:52:52,085 --> 00:52:55,338 And you're right, we do make        a big hole in the ground. 811 00:52:55,380 --> 00:52:57,883 It's about          two kilometers across, 812 00:52:57,924 --> 00:53:00,093 in a country the size of France, 813 00:53:00,135 --> 00:53:03,513 with nothing around it              but scrubland. 814 00:53:03,555 --> 00:53:05,265 You can look at that             in two ways. 815 00:53:05,307 --> 00:53:06,933 You can look at that hole               and say, 816 00:53:06,975 --> 00:53:08,393 "There's a big hole            in the ground," 817 00:53:08,435 --> 00:53:11,396 or you can look         in that hole and think, 818 00:53:11,438 --> 00:53:15,066 how lucky the people             of Botswana were 819 00:53:15,108 --> 00:53:19,404 to have this two-kilometer      bit of land in an area that-- 820 00:53:19,446 --> 00:53:21,072 what were they gonna do with it? 821 00:53:21,114 --> 00:53:23,074 Have like ten cows? 822 00:53:25,285 --> 00:53:27,871 And in that hole has been 823 00:53:27,913 --> 00:53:31,374 this extraordinary       transformation of a country 824 00:53:31,416 --> 00:53:34,002 from four miles of tarred road               to 4,000 825 00:53:34,044 --> 00:53:35,879 because of that hole            in the ground. 826 00:53:35,921 --> 00:53:39,090 A doctor for every 50,000 people           before diamonds. 827 00:53:39,132 --> 00:53:41,176 Now a doctor for every 300. 828 00:53:41,218 --> 00:53:44,054 Hospitals, free education. Why? 829 00:53:44,095 --> 00:53:46,765 It's-it's that hole            in the ground. 830 00:53:49,517 --> 00:53:52,145 De Beers is an African company. 831 00:53:52,187 --> 00:53:55,649 A lot of us may be based      in London, but the deep ethos 832 00:53:55,690 --> 00:53:58,652 of our operations        has Africa at its core. 833 00:53:59,945 --> 00:54:02,572 And there's nothing       more important to an African 834 00:54:02,614 --> 00:54:05,325 than their environment--  in particular, their wildlife-- 835 00:54:05,367 --> 00:54:08,328 and you need to protect that,                 as well. 836 00:54:08,370 --> 00:54:10,538 uplifting music 837 00:54:13,333 --> 00:54:14,960 You know, if I could bring 838 00:54:15,001 --> 00:54:16,962 every American      engagement ring consumer here 839 00:54:17,003 --> 00:54:20,966 to see with their own eyes            what diamonds do, 840 00:54:21,007 --> 00:54:24,386 they would never buy anything      but-but a natural diamond. 841 00:54:24,427 --> 00:54:26,721 You'd actually say,           "Geez, you know, 842 00:54:26,763 --> 00:54:29,224 why would you         synthesize something 843 00:54:29,266 --> 00:54:31,810 when it could do such harm         to-to this country?" 844 00:54:39,609 --> 00:54:41,945 The story is extraordinarily 845 00:54:41,987 --> 00:54:46,324 inspiring and has the great      convenience of being true. 846 00:54:46,366 --> 00:54:49,577 And you show me another        two-kilometer bit of... 847 00:54:49,619 --> 00:54:52,664 of the world that has done that. 848 00:55:12,350 --> 00:55:14,102 I want to take      this problem of synthetics 849 00:55:14,144 --> 00:55:16,104 to a whole other level. 850 00:55:16,146 --> 00:55:19,065 We're now living           in a world of... 851 00:55:19,107 --> 00:55:21,735 gender equality. 852 00:55:21,776 --> 00:55:26,239 Are diamonds under threat  not because of synthetics only-- 853 00:55:26,281 --> 00:55:28,158 although synthetics           brings it down-- 854 00:55:28,199 --> 00:55:29,826 because of        the whole question of, 855 00:55:29,868 --> 00:55:32,037 what is the relationship     between the man and the woman 856 00:55:32,078 --> 00:55:34,372 in the 21st century? 857 00:55:35,749 --> 00:55:39,377 Why is she receiving the gift             and not him? 858 00:55:39,419 --> 00:55:41,629 What's going on here? 859 00:55:41,671 --> 00:55:44,799 I could talk about the idea             of, you know, 860 00:55:44,841 --> 00:55:47,010 uh, anthropological studies               that show 861 00:55:47,052 --> 00:55:49,679 that the woman has the babies  and, because she has the babies, 862 00:55:49,721 --> 00:55:51,556 she wants the man         to make a commitment 863 00:55:51,598 --> 00:55:54,309 and know that he's gonna          support her. Okay. 864 00:55:54,351 --> 00:55:56,394 But we live in         a modern world today 865 00:55:56,436 --> 00:55:58,563 where women may be earning            more than men. 866 00:55:58,605 --> 00:56:01,733 She may not need him             or want him. 867 00:56:01,775 --> 00:56:03,860 We switch jobs        every couple of years. 868 00:56:03,902 --> 00:56:07,530 Maybe we're gonna switch,     uh, partners every few years. 869 00:56:07,572 --> 00:56:09,908 Our-our society is changing. 870 00:56:09,949 --> 00:56:13,078 And so the role of the diamond            is under threat 871 00:56:13,119 --> 00:56:16,373 because the role of the woman     and the man is under threat. 872 00:56:16,414 --> 00:56:21,336 But every day,    millennials are getting older. 873 00:56:21,378 --> 00:56:24,089 Their clocks are ticking. 874 00:56:24,130 --> 00:56:26,299 Their desire to procreate, 875 00:56:26,341 --> 00:56:28,468 whether it's genetic             or otherwise 876 00:56:28,510 --> 00:56:32,263 or whether it's, uh, uh,         Darwinian, is there. 877 00:56:32,305 --> 00:56:35,058 What's going to happen? 878 00:56:35,100 --> 00:56:40,105 Does the diamond play a role    in cementing the relationship? 879 00:56:40,146 --> 00:56:43,233 Does the woman         still want a diamond? 880 00:56:43,274 --> 00:56:46,194 And if so, why? 881 00:56:53,410 --> 00:56:55,912 I-I did. Yeah. 882 00:56:55,954 --> 00:57:00,792 I-I grew a diamond        for my former fiancée. 883 00:57:00,834 --> 00:57:02,335 Wait, so what's the story there? 884 00:57:02,377 --> 00:57:04,379 Um... 885 00:57:04,421 --> 00:57:06,965 I grew a diamond      and had it cut and polished 886 00:57:07,006 --> 00:57:10,885 and, uh, had it set in a setting 887 00:57:10,927 --> 00:57:13,680 and proposed to her with it. 888 00:57:14,848 --> 00:57:16,599 - And? 889 00:57:16,641 --> 00:57:18,810 I think she was unimpressed. 890 00:57:18,852 --> 00:57:21,062 What does that mean? 891 00:57:21,104 --> 00:57:22,730 It was too small. 892 00:57:22,772 --> 00:57:24,399 It was half a carat. 893 00:57:24,441 --> 00:57:27,610 -What did she say?                -Um... 894 00:57:28,736 --> 00:57:30,363 ...that she wanted a bigger one. 895 00:57:36,870 --> 00:57:40,206 Ladies and gentlemen,             dear colleagues, 896 00:57:40,248 --> 00:57:45,253 my name is D-Dusan Simic,    and, uh, I'll talk today about 897 00:57:45,295 --> 00:57:48,506 my invention, my patent. 898 00:57:56,055 --> 00:57:58,433 It will ensure that we will have 899 00:57:58,475 --> 00:58:01,686 two completely different               products 900 00:58:01,728 --> 00:58:04,689 that cannot hurt each other. 901 00:58:07,317 --> 00:58:09,694 Yeah, yeah, yeah, it is.          It was a decision. 902 00:58:09,736 --> 00:58:12,739 Right now, I'm closing the lab 903 00:58:12,780 --> 00:58:16,075 and I'm going, uh, to do        other things, you know. 904 00:58:16,117 --> 00:58:18,828 It-it was nonsense to have a lab 905 00:58:18,870 --> 00:58:23,124 that it doesn't bring,      it doesn't bring any money. 906 00:58:23,166 --> 00:58:24,501 I really believe in this. 907 00:58:24,542 --> 00:58:26,753 I mean, it could be         a solution, you know. 908 00:58:26,794 --> 00:58:28,546 upbeat music 909 01:00:06,686 --> 01:00:08,980 Can I ask a dumb question? 910 01:00:33,921 --> 01:00:36,507 Of course. Of course. 911 01:00:56,402 --> 01:00:59,197 Uh, this brings        the presentations to... 912 01:01:07,830 --> 01:01:10,541 -Come on, I know all about you.       -Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 913 01:01:19,258 --> 01:01:20,677 -You-you have a power...       -I'll do a deal with you. 914 01:01:20,718 --> 01:01:21,844 You have the power... 915 01:01:21,886 --> 01:01:22,679 I have the power           to make it work. 916 01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:23,971 ...to make it work. 917 01:01:24,889 --> 01:01:26,474 Yes? 918 01:01:43,449 --> 01:01:45,118 contemplative music 919 01:02:00,758 --> 01:02:02,885 And action. 920 01:02:08,099 --> 01:02:10,852 At De Beers, everything you do, 921 01:02:10,893 --> 01:02:13,271 if the person          who owns your diamond 922 01:02:13,312 --> 01:02:15,440 sees anything         that makes them unhappy, 923 01:02:15,481 --> 01:02:17,275 is the wrong thing to do. 924 01:02:17,316 --> 01:02:20,862 They have to feel proud        of-of-of that diamond. 925 01:02:20,903 --> 01:02:23,531 That bit is, like,            the sacrosanct. 926 01:02:23,573 --> 01:02:26,284 You must protect them. 927 01:02:26,325 --> 01:02:28,286 You don't want people         who question things. 928 01:02:28,327 --> 01:02:29,871 Those aren't good consumers. 929 01:02:29,912 --> 01:02:31,706 They question         how many of their... 930 01:02:31,748 --> 01:02:33,583 "Are all of these real? 931 01:02:33,624 --> 01:02:37,128 Well, how I know for sure?" 932 01:02:37,170 --> 01:02:38,713 Then they're gonna start         to ask questions about-- 933 01:02:38,755 --> 01:02:40,631 what are the differences? 934 01:02:44,302 --> 01:02:45,803 I don't hate De Beers. 935 01:02:45,845 --> 01:02:47,305 It's not a personal grudge. 936 01:02:47,346 --> 01:02:49,682 It has nothing to do        with my career, per se, 937 01:02:49,724 --> 01:02:51,768 like, you know,         anybody's annoyed me 938 01:02:51,809 --> 01:02:53,144 at any point in the past 939 01:02:53,186 --> 01:02:55,813 or being the only woman             in the room. 940 01:02:55,855 --> 01:02:57,857 I-I have no skin in the game. 941 01:02:59,525 --> 01:03:04,489 It's just that I'm interested  in what they're actually doing. 942 01:03:04,530 --> 01:03:06,991 And I think, if you look closer, 943 01:03:07,033 --> 01:03:10,286 it's never really       what you thought you saw. 944 01:03:12,747 --> 01:03:14,665 And in this case,             you're assuming 945 01:03:14,707 --> 01:03:17,293 the mixing scandal            was ever a problem 946 01:03:17,335 --> 01:03:19,337 for the people         claiming it's a problem. 947 01:03:19,378 --> 01:03:21,255 Because they're also 948 01:03:21,297 --> 01:03:25,343 the ones putting the most money     and quietly the most manpower 949 01:03:25,384 --> 01:03:29,347 into growing them in labs. 950 01:03:31,307 --> 01:03:35,353 So, a lie about a lie       about a lie about a lie. 951 01:03:35,394 --> 01:03:37,104 Delightful. 952 01:03:37,146 --> 01:03:40,149 The diamond jewelry industry         is set for a shake-up 953 01:03:40,191 --> 01:03:43,027 after global diamond giant          De Beers announced 954 01:03:43,069 --> 01:03:45,696 it planned to sell diamonds        grown in a laboratory. 955 01:03:45,738 --> 01:03:49,200 After years of      criticizing lab-made diamonds, 956 01:03:49,242 --> 01:03:51,702 the world's largest         diamond miner, De Beers, 957 01:03:51,744 --> 01:03:53,371 will now sell them. 958 01:03:53,412 --> 01:03:57,208 Of course they were     working on growing their own. 959 01:03:57,250 --> 01:04:00,545 De Beers never sold a diamond--          they sold an idea-- 960 01:04:00,586 --> 01:04:02,713 and this is just a new idea. 961 01:04:02,755 --> 01:04:04,924 The Lightbox brand is bringing 962 01:04:04,966 --> 01:04:08,386 the synthesized product             in a way that is 963 01:04:08,427 --> 01:04:09,804 honest about what it is 964 01:04:09,846 --> 01:04:12,682 but, equally importantly,            what it isn't. 965 01:04:12,723 --> 01:04:14,392 The difference is that, 966 01:04:14,433 --> 01:04:16,519 while a natural diamond is made        over billions of years, 967 01:04:16,561 --> 01:04:18,229 comes from deep in the ground, 968 01:04:18,271 --> 01:04:22,149 a lab-grown diamond is      literally made in a factory 969 01:04:22,191 --> 01:04:24,485 over a period          of about two weeks. 970 01:04:24,527 --> 01:04:26,737 It's something less precious. 971 01:04:26,779 --> 01:04:28,239 Maybe for travel jewelry. 972 01:04:28,281 --> 01:04:30,032 It's a nice thing, huh? 973 01:04:30,074 --> 01:04:33,828 It's... you know, you see     a sparkly blue or pink stone, 974 01:04:33,870 --> 01:04:36,873 it's pretty, and it's       very inexpensive to make. 975 01:04:36,914 --> 01:04:39,000 Consumer research tells us           that women prefer 976 01:04:39,041 --> 01:04:41,210 natural diamonds       for life's big occasions 977 01:04:41,252 --> 01:04:43,421 like an engagement ring          or a wedding band, 978 01:04:43,462 --> 01:04:46,048 but these are perfect for all      of other life's occasions. 979 01:04:46,090 --> 01:04:48,175 If you lose it,         don't worry so much, 980 01:04:48,217 --> 01:04:49,927 'cause it's not very expensive. 981 01:04:49,969 --> 01:04:52,179 It's not a memorable thing        that 30 years from now 982 01:04:52,221 --> 01:04:54,557 you're going to be,         you know, cherishing. 983 01:04:54,599 --> 01:04:56,767 You're not gonna pass it on           to your children. 984 01:04:56,809 --> 01:04:58,603 But there's a lot         of jewelry like that, 985 01:04:58,644 --> 01:05:00,605 and there's nothing wrong               with it. 986 01:05:00,646 --> 01:05:02,315 Oh, yeah, really? 987 01:05:02,356 --> 01:05:03,983 After shitting on it            for ten years, 988 01:05:04,025 --> 01:05:05,693 you want to get into it?              All right. 989 01:05:05,735 --> 01:05:07,153 I think where it came from is 990 01:05:07,194 --> 01:05:08,988 they want to cut out        all the people like me. 991 01:05:09,030 --> 01:05:11,032 They want to cut out all          the people that are 992 01:05:11,073 --> 01:05:13,284 creating new diamonds      by undercutting the market. 993 01:05:13,326 --> 01:05:15,411 The gemstone giant De Beers 994 01:05:15,453 --> 01:05:18,789 is building a $94 million dollar         plant there in Gresham. 995 01:05:18,831 --> 01:05:21,083 The laboratory-made             stones produced 996 01:05:21,125 --> 01:05:24,253 will be up to 90% less expensive           than natural stones. 997 01:05:24,295 --> 01:05:26,047 At that point,            you have to assume 998 01:05:26,088 --> 01:05:28,132 they don't want to sell them. 999 01:05:28,174 --> 01:05:32,261 Because when you have    a product that you can't sell, 1000 01:05:32,303 --> 01:05:33,888 what do you do? 1001 01:05:33,930 --> 01:05:35,640 You put it on sale. 1002 01:05:35,681 --> 01:05:36,974 You reduce the price, right? 1003 01:05:37,016 --> 01:05:39,310 All this product is             $800 a carat, 1004 01:05:39,352 --> 01:05:41,228 so that's much, much less 1005 01:05:41,270 --> 01:05:42,772 -than natural diamonds.             - Wow. 1006 01:05:42,813 --> 01:05:44,148 So it's a different           thought process-- 1007 01:05:44,190 --> 01:05:45,483 right?-- when you're going            to shop for it. 1008 01:05:45,524 --> 01:05:48,069 Now we know, because De Beers 1009 01:05:48,110 --> 01:05:50,071 have told us so,      that there's a difference, 1010 01:05:50,112 --> 01:05:51,822 "We've differentiated." 1011 01:05:51,864 --> 01:05:54,951 But then the FTC just expanded 1012 01:05:54,992 --> 01:05:57,995 the definition of diamond, 1013 01:05:58,037 --> 01:06:00,665 and now it includes          lab-grown diamonds. 1014 01:06:00,706 --> 01:06:04,794 So, does that mean a diamond      is only worth $800 a carat? 1015 01:06:50,381 --> 01:06:54,802 Simply, he did not...        he did not understand. 1016 01:06:54,844 --> 01:06:56,554 He's talking about            something else. 1017 01:06:56,595 --> 01:06:59,557 Even I cannot understand    what he wants to say, you know. 1018 01:07:00,933 --> 01:07:02,935 I send mail answer to Martin, 1019 01:07:02,977 --> 01:07:06,564 and, uh, since then,           he is not, uh... 1020 01:07:06,605 --> 01:07:09,442 he did not answer it. 1021 01:07:09,483 --> 01:07:11,861 I don't... I don't know. 1022 01:07:11,902 --> 01:07:14,780 We did not continue, you know. 1023 01:07:16,323 --> 01:07:18,284 I don't know. 1024 01:07:21,829 --> 01:07:23,622 dramatic music 1025 01:07:44,810 --> 01:07:47,104 -  Okay, we go to...?        -  Uh, LaGuardia. 1026 01:07:47,146 --> 01:07:49,440 -LaGuardia. Okay.            -Yeah, turn left. 1027 01:08:09,919 --> 01:08:11,545 Something like that? 1028 01:08:17,343 --> 01:08:19,386 You told me D? 1029 01:08:19,428 --> 01:08:22,848 Yeah. Terminal D. Thank you. 1030 01:08:22,890 --> 01:08:25,476 There is no room for this. 1031 01:09:37,423 --> 01:09:38,549 To make money? 1032 01:09:40,843 --> 01:09:44,722 I don't know.  Right now, right now, I'm, uh... 1033 01:09:44,763 --> 01:09:46,849 I'm waiting for it. 1034 01:09:46,891 --> 01:09:48,559 I'll start... 1035 01:10:03,949 --> 01:10:06,577 Ah. Good idea, huh? 1036 01:10:13,792 --> 01:10:15,920 So, I don't know...     I don't remember who is who. 1037 01:10:15,961 --> 01:10:17,838 I don't remember who is where. 1038 01:10:17,880 --> 01:10:19,840 Here's Miley and everybody. 1039 01:10:22,551 --> 01:10:26,013 All right, Sunday night,        we have to play craps. 1040 01:10:26,055 --> 01:10:28,015 It's after my speech. 1041 01:10:28,057 --> 01:10:30,142 It's gonna be          a crazy day for me. 1042 01:10:30,184 --> 01:10:32,144 I'm gonna be blowing up          half the industry. 1043 01:10:32,186 --> 01:10:33,479 What's the speech about? 1044 01:10:33,520 --> 01:10:35,147 -Synthetics.         - Synthetics! 1045 01:10:35,189 --> 01:10:37,107 - Oh.           - Oh, wow. 1046 01:10:37,149 --> 01:10:38,234 -Yeah.         -Wow, that's serious. 1047 01:10:38,275 --> 01:10:39,777 It's gonna be happening, man. 1048 01:10:39,818 --> 01:10:42,446 Anyways, thinking about     this threat of synthetics... 1049 01:10:42,488 --> 01:10:44,114 I think it's         a really big problem. 1050 01:10:44,156 --> 01:10:47,284 I bought a lot of stuff    from a-a jeweler in New Jersey, 1051 01:10:47,326 --> 01:10:49,453 and he told me he sells 1052 01:10:49,495 --> 01:10:52,623 95% synthetic diamond           engagement rings. 1053 01:10:52,665 --> 01:10:55,960 -95%.    - What price points? 1054 01:10:56,001 --> 01:10:57,920 All over the place. 1055 01:10:57,962 --> 01:11:00,506 And I'm like, "Oh, how about  this natural stone? It's cheap." 1056 01:11:00,547 --> 01:11:02,841 And he's like,      "I'm gonna sell synthetic." 1057 01:11:02,883 --> 01:11:04,468 That's-that's scary to me. 1058 01:11:04,510 --> 01:11:06,470 If you have a retail store     and someone's gonna come in, 1059 01:11:06,512 --> 01:11:08,138 they're gonna say,      "How much is this diamond? 1060 01:11:08,180 --> 01:11:10,224 Oh, this one's 5,000?           It's a one-carat? 1061 01:11:10,266 --> 01:11:11,725 How much is this one?" 1062 01:11:11,767 --> 01:11:14,228 "Uh, this one's 500 bucks.          It's a synthetic." 1063 01:11:14,270 --> 01:11:15,771 "Okay. What's the difference?" 1064 01:11:15,813 --> 01:11:17,648 "I don't know.         GIA can barely tell." 1065 01:11:17,690 --> 01:11:19,566 People that are getting married, 1066 01:11:19,608 --> 01:11:21,068 you're not thinking...     that's like thinking about-- 1067 01:11:21,110 --> 01:11:22,653 You're not thinking what? 1068 01:11:22,695 --> 01:11:24,154 You're not thinking about      getting divorced, you know, 1069 01:11:24,196 --> 01:11:25,489 -when you're getting married.                -Sure. 1070 01:11:25,531 --> 01:11:27,074 So you don't care about           the resale value? 1071 01:11:27,116 --> 01:11:28,826 -So... yeah, no, you don't.       - No, they don't. 1072 01:11:28,867 --> 01:11:30,619 - Yeah, they don't care.       - Think about it. 1073 01:11:30,661 --> 01:11:32,162 We're in a throw-away economy.        Throw away everything. 1074 01:11:32,204 --> 01:11:33,664 Buy something, throw it away           five years later. 1075 01:11:33,706 --> 01:11:35,499 - Right.     -You spend $1,000 on a phone, 1076 01:11:35,541 --> 01:11:36,875 -throw it out next year.    -And they-they already realize 1077 01:11:36,917 --> 01:11:38,294 that diamonds have no value. 1078 01:11:38,335 --> 01:11:39,878 I-I have people that        they already say that. 1079 01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:42,881 -Guys, especially.    - So, why sell natural? 1080 01:11:42,923 --> 01:11:45,801 That's the big challenge.         That's the challenge. 1081 01:11:45,843 --> 01:11:48,387 Millennials,       they want an experience. 1082 01:11:48,429 --> 01:11:50,848 You know?      And-and they are scared... 1083 01:11:50,889 --> 01:11:52,891 - atmospheric music 1084 01:11:52,933 --> 01:11:56,687 There's this quote           I like that's, uh... 1085 01:11:56,729 --> 01:11:59,523 "All your life, you live         so close to the truth 1086 01:11:59,565 --> 01:12:02,067 that it becomes a permanent blur      in the corner of your eye. 1087 01:12:07,197 --> 01:12:10,868 And when something nudges it      into outline, it's like being 1088 01:12:10,909 --> 01:12:13,537 ambushed by the grotesque." 1089 01:12:14,663 --> 01:12:16,874 A lot of things fall            into the category 1090 01:12:16,915 --> 01:12:19,960 of true or not true, but... 1091 01:12:20,002 --> 01:12:21,712 a lot of things don't. 1092 01:12:21,754 --> 01:12:25,132 A lot of things start as a lie  and have a way of becoming true. 1093 01:12:25,174 --> 01:12:26,884 intriguing music 1094 01:12:28,761 --> 01:12:31,180 They lied about           how many there were. 1095 01:12:31,221 --> 01:12:32,556 They lied         about how they got them. 1096 01:12:32,598 --> 01:12:34,224 They lied about          where they kept them. 1097 01:12:34,266 --> 01:12:36,185 They lie about           all kinds of things 1098 01:12:36,226 --> 01:12:37,561 because they built a myth. 1099 01:12:37,603 --> 01:12:39,563 If they want to sell           natural diamonds, 1100 01:12:39,605 --> 01:12:41,190 they have to insist on the myth. 1101 01:12:41,231 --> 01:12:43,400 If they want to sell          synthetic diamonds, 1102 01:12:43,442 --> 01:12:45,486 they have to insist on the myth. 1103 01:12:47,780 --> 01:12:49,740 Because why would you want           a synthetic diamond 1104 01:12:49,782 --> 01:12:52,409 if a real diamond             wasn't valuable? 1105 01:13:23,315 --> 01:13:26,902 -So it's all here?          -Yeah, this is a... 1106 01:13:26,944 --> 01:13:28,612 This is like a, like a... 1107 01:13:33,659 --> 01:13:36,120 The truth is not a requirement 1108 01:13:36,161 --> 01:13:37,871 for what people believe. 1109 01:13:37,913 --> 01:13:39,415 What people believe 1110 01:13:39,456 --> 01:13:41,125 is what they want to believe, 1111 01:13:41,166 --> 01:13:44,878 what they need to believe,        what doesn't conflict with 1112 01:13:44,920 --> 01:13:47,798 their more necessary          load-bearing beliefs. 1113 01:13:47,840 --> 01:13:49,925 Ultimately, what everybody         around them believes. 1114 01:13:49,967 --> 01:13:52,678 Avi, where are the synthetics? 1115 01:13:52,719 --> 01:13:55,305 Anybody know       where the synthetics are? 1116 01:13:55,347 --> 01:13:56,974 How much are these pinks? 1117 01:13:57,015 --> 01:13:58,684 These are around, like, $600. 1118 01:13:58,725 --> 01:14:01,103 Six... Really? So expensive. 1119 01:14:01,145 --> 01:14:02,438 So, what do we do with you guys? 1120 01:14:02,479 --> 01:14:03,856 What should we do       with you synthetic guys? 1121 01:14:03,897 --> 01:14:04,898 You tell me. 1122 01:14:04,940 --> 01:14:06,316 What is your solution? 1123 01:14:06,358 --> 01:14:07,985 I don't know yet. I'm thinking. 1124 01:14:08,026 --> 01:14:10,904 The only solution is you. 1125 01:14:10,946 --> 01:14:13,490 I think you could give us          a proper solution, 1126 01:14:13,532 --> 01:14:16,702 a proper place on the market         and a proper pricing. 1127 01:14:16,743 --> 01:14:18,495 We lose      the engagement ring market, 1128 01:14:18,537 --> 01:14:20,664 you're all out of business. 1129 01:14:20,706 --> 01:14:22,916 Us being--     everybody's out of business. 1130 01:14:22,958 --> 01:14:25,752 I have the utmost admiration             for De Beers. 1131 01:14:27,212 --> 01:14:30,299 Incredible admiration. 1132 01:14:30,340 --> 01:14:33,844 They created an illusion 1133 01:14:33,886 --> 01:14:37,681 so spectacular         it turned into truth. 1134 01:14:37,723 --> 01:14:40,517 How do you not applaud that? 1135 01:14:48,233 --> 01:14:49,860 Okay. 1136 01:14:49,902 --> 01:14:52,488 Mass delusions           can turn on a dime, 1137 01:14:52,529 --> 01:14:54,907 and it's not that 1138 01:14:54,948 --> 01:14:59,203 synthetic diamonds       might be made undetectable. 1139 01:14:59,244 --> 01:15:01,413 It's that 1140 01:15:01,455 --> 01:15:05,501 they might have been       made real at that point. 1141 01:15:06,251 --> 01:15:08,337 There's the ball game. 1142 01:16:09,398 --> 01:16:11,191 dramatic music 1143 01:16:54,860 --> 01:16:56,486 So... 1144 01:16:58,864 --> 01:16:59,990 Became... 1145 01:17:43,408 --> 01:17:46,536 Okay? Okay. 1146 01:17:46,578 --> 01:17:48,872 Yeah? Wow. 1147 01:17:54,252 --> 01:17:56,046 Morning, everyone. 1148 01:17:56,088 --> 01:17:57,964 Now we're gonna get          this party started, 1149 01:17:58,006 --> 01:18:00,842 and I'm gonna welcome         Mr. Martin Rapaport. 1150 01:18:03,720 --> 01:18:05,639 All right.       Good morning, everybody. 1151 01:18:05,681 --> 01:18:07,349 Uh, welcome.         Good morning, Vegas. 1152 01:18:07,391 --> 01:18:09,226 Okay, let's see          where we are here. 1153 01:18:09,267 --> 01:18:11,103 The first thing that        I just want to explain 1154 01:18:11,144 --> 01:18:13,355 a little bit about Rapaport                is that 1155 01:18:13,397 --> 01:18:15,691 we're in the value business. 1156 01:18:15,732 --> 01:18:17,275 Which means,         if it's not ethical, 1157 01:18:17,317 --> 01:18:18,777 I don't want to do it, okay? 1158 01:18:18,819 --> 01:18:23,323 Established in 1978,            230 employees, 1159 01:18:23,365 --> 01:18:25,575 nine offices, uh, six countries. 1160 01:18:25,617 --> 01:18:28,203 RapNet diamond trading network,      the largest in the world-- 1161 01:18:28,245 --> 01:18:31,415 it's got about $7.4 billion       dollars listed every day. 1162 01:18:33,250 --> 01:18:34,876 We're gonna have a vote. 1163 01:18:34,918 --> 01:18:36,461 Should RapNet, the largest 1164 01:18:36,503 --> 01:18:38,088 diamond trading network             in the world, 1165 01:18:38,130 --> 01:18:40,215 carry synthetics? 1166 01:18:40,257 --> 01:18:42,008 Yes. 1167 01:18:42,050 --> 01:18:44,886 Should Rapaport produce     a price list for synthetics? 1168 01:18:44,928 --> 01:18:46,847 Second question. 1169 01:18:48,390 --> 01:18:50,267 Why-why is this         making you so happy? 1170 01:18:50,308 --> 01:18:51,852 Because let people speak. 1171 01:18:51,893 --> 01:18:53,895 No one knows.         Everyone's confused. 1172 01:18:53,937 --> 01:18:56,022 I never saw so many people           walking around... 1173 01:18:56,064 --> 01:18:58,275 "I don't know. Should I?    Shouldn't I? Would I? Would I?" 1174 01:18:58,316 --> 01:19:00,110 Let's ask everybody. 1175 01:19:00,152 --> 01:19:03,572 Should we be giving people        the perception of value 1176 01:19:03,613 --> 01:19:05,782 when it's not there? 1177 01:19:06,783 --> 01:19:08,535 What the hell's going on here? 1178 01:19:08,577 --> 01:19:11,079 Could someone tell me?             Anybody know? 1179 01:19:11,121 --> 01:19:15,125 The threat of synthetic diamonds          is a wake-up call. 1180 01:19:15,167 --> 01:19:16,752 It says, "Hey, guys. 1181 01:19:16,793 --> 01:19:19,171 You got a hole          in your boat here." 1182 01:19:19,212 --> 01:19:23,467 For this machine, for this, uh,     uh, diamond industry to work, 1183 01:19:23,508 --> 01:19:27,220 we need to have all of these     functioning pieces operating 1184 01:19:27,262 --> 01:19:30,390 at some level of responsibility           and relationship. 1185 01:19:30,432 --> 01:19:34,144 We can't just be ourselves,        our own little islands. 1186 01:19:35,896 --> 01:19:37,856 elegant music 1187 01:20:07,886 --> 01:20:09,846 We should be thinking about, 1188 01:20:09,888 --> 01:20:11,932 "What exactly are we selling?" 1189 01:20:11,973 --> 01:20:14,351 It's the promise of diamonds. 1190 01:20:15,644 --> 01:20:18,313 And the big question, "Do we    invest in synthetic diamonds?" 1191 01:20:18,355 --> 01:20:20,357 Are we investing in ethical     diamonds in the supply chain? 1192 01:20:20,398 --> 01:20:22,484 Are we gonna do both?         What are we gonna do? 1193 01:20:22,526 --> 01:20:23,693 Wh-Where are we gonna go? 1194 01:20:23,735 --> 01:20:25,195 We know we can't stay             where we are. 1195 01:20:29,241 --> 01:20:32,702 And I can say to you that      the RapNet members have voted. 1196 01:20:32,744 --> 01:20:34,830 So roll the drums. 1197 01:20:34,871 --> 01:20:36,331 Here is how the votes went. 1198 01:20:36,373 --> 01:20:38,250 Should RapNet list            synthetic diamonds 1199 01:20:38,291 --> 01:20:40,377 as a way to buy            and sell diamonds? 1200 01:20:40,418 --> 01:20:43,588 -79% no. 1201 01:20:45,298 --> 01:20:48,927 Should Rapaport publish        a synthetic price list? 1202 01:20:48,969 --> 01:20:51,179 No. 1203 01:20:51,221 --> 01:20:54,599 So, what's        the Rapaport position? 1204 01:20:54,641 --> 01:20:57,435 Claims that synthetic diamonds         are exactly the same 1205 01:20:57,477 --> 01:20:59,396 as natural diamonds, false. 1206 01:20:59,437 --> 01:21:01,731 It's just a big lie. 1207 01:21:13,702 --> 01:21:15,203 Am I gonna be the person 1208 01:21:15,245 --> 01:21:18,415 that's going to legitimize          lab-grown diamonds? 1209 01:21:18,456 --> 01:21:20,417 No, I'm not gonna do that. 1210 01:21:22,085 --> 01:21:24,421 But we have to invest.        We have to go forward. 1211 01:21:24,462 --> 01:21:27,007 We cannot just keep    doing business the way we were. 1212 01:21:27,048 --> 01:21:29,426 Prices are going down. 1213 01:21:29,467 --> 01:21:31,761 What the hell does that mean?           What do you mean? 1214 01:21:31,803 --> 01:21:33,597 How can prices of diamonds            keep going down 1215 01:21:33,638 --> 01:21:34,890 and down and down? 1216 01:21:34,931 --> 01:21:36,933 What the hell is going on here? 1217 01:21:36,975 --> 01:21:39,102 Even the mining companies now 1218 01:21:39,144 --> 01:21:40,896 don't have enough money          to fix everything. 1219 01:21:40,937 --> 01:21:43,231 But a commitment         of a billion dollars 1220 01:21:43,273 --> 01:21:45,567 in marketing in actual diamonds 1221 01:21:45,609 --> 01:21:48,987 is something I am calling for         today, here and now. 1222 01:21:50,822 --> 01:21:52,324 dramatic music 1223 01:22:09,341 --> 01:22:11,092 I am telling you that there is 1224 01:22:11,134 --> 01:22:13,094 a bogeyman under the bed 1225 01:22:13,136 --> 01:22:15,305 and that things are not right. 1226 01:22:15,347 --> 01:22:17,641 But we keep thinking,         "Prices, discounts." 1227 01:22:17,682 --> 01:22:19,559 This is stupid. It's wrong. 1228 01:22:19,601 --> 01:22:22,938 The diamond engagement ring is    an emotional and spiritual gift 1229 01:22:22,979 --> 01:22:25,565 that transcends         the physical diamond 1230 01:22:25,607 --> 01:22:29,152 as it communicates    the commitment of love forever. 1231 01:22:29,194 --> 01:22:32,447 That is what we're selling. 1232 01:22:32,489 --> 01:22:34,074 But we must have a heart. 1233 01:22:34,115 --> 01:22:36,409 We must have a soul. 1234 01:22:39,120 --> 01:22:42,207 Diamonds are a reflection of us. 1235 01:22:42,248 --> 01:22:45,168 You know that light       bouncing around? It's us. 1236 01:22:45,210 --> 01:22:47,837 We... we the people       of the diamond industry. 1237 01:22:47,879 --> 01:22:50,006 That's what        these diamonds reflect. 1238 01:22:50,048 --> 01:22:52,509 Know this:          diamonds are a symbol. 1239 01:22:52,550 --> 01:22:54,511 They're not a product.       They're not a commodity. 1240 01:22:59,265 --> 01:23:01,184 Good, huh? 1241 01:23:01,226 --> 01:23:03,019 Let's go. 1242 01:23:03,061 --> 01:23:04,354 When all is said and done, 1243 01:23:04,396 --> 01:23:06,106 diamonds are only            as good as we are. 1244 01:23:06,147 --> 01:23:08,817 So I give us a blessing. 1245 01:23:09,985 --> 01:23:12,696 May we be worthy of the product, 1246 01:23:12,737 --> 01:23:14,948 of the symbolism that we sell. 1247 01:23:14,990 --> 01:23:18,535 May we be up to diamonds.              Thank you. 1248 01:23:47,564 --> 01:23:49,899 music ends 1249 01:24:04,581 --> 01:24:08,084 "Nothing Lasts Forever"              by The Kinks 1250 01:24:11,838 --> 01:24:15,050 When we were young 1251 01:24:15,091 --> 01:24:18,219 And green 1252 01:24:18,261 --> 01:24:23,266 We shared our dreams 1253 01:24:23,308 --> 01:24:27,353 Together 1254 01:24:27,395 --> 01:24:31,066 And you were my friend 1255 01:24:31,107 --> 01:24:35,945 We had our good times, pal 1256 01:24:37,280 --> 01:24:41,701 We thought they'd last 1257 01:24:41,743 --> 01:24:45,747 Forever 1258 01:24:45,789 --> 01:24:51,002 But nothing lasts forever 1259 01:24:52,420 --> 01:24:57,300 Nothing lasts forever 1260 01:25:06,810 --> 01:25:09,813 Time goes by 1261 01:25:09,854 --> 01:25:12,899 And people change 1262 01:25:12,941 --> 01:25:15,193 It's best we go 1263 01:25:15,235 --> 01:25:19,656 Our separate ways 1264 01:25:19,697 --> 01:25:24,702 And it was wrong           to think our love 1265 01:25:24,744 --> 01:25:29,958 Would never end 1266 01:25:30,708 --> 01:25:32,919 My friend 1267 01:25:32,961 --> 01:25:37,173 Nothing lasts forever 1268 01:25:38,716 --> 01:25:43,513 Nothing lasts forever 1269 01:25:52,897 --> 01:25:55,984 Time goes by 1270 01:25:56,025 --> 01:25:59,195 It takes us all 1271 01:25:59,237 --> 01:26:01,906 Nations crumble 1272 01:26:01,948 --> 01:26:05,535 And empires fall 1273 01:26:05,577 --> 01:26:07,912 And who are we 1274 01:26:07,954 --> 01:26:10,665 To think that we 1275 01:26:10,707 --> 01:26:16,045 Would always be? 1276 01:26:16,713 --> 01:26:18,298 You see 1277 01:26:18,339 --> 01:26:22,927 Nothing lasts forever 1278 01:26:24,179 --> 01:26:27,473 Nothing lasts forever 1279 01:26:27,515 --> 01:26:29,559 I know that 1280 01:26:29,601 --> 01:26:33,313 You'll survive 1281 01:26:33,354 --> 01:26:38,026 And you'll get by 1282 01:26:38,067 --> 01:26:41,154 Whatever 1283 01:26:42,780 --> 01:26:45,742 Though you say goodbye 1284 01:26:45,783 --> 01:26:50,121 My love will never die 1285 01:26:51,956 --> 01:27:00,965 It will last forever 107559

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