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(children shouting, laughing)
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(distant singing)
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(door opens)
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Woman:
Manhattan BeachPolice Department,
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crime report: 0067-99.
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D.R. number: 85-01713.
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Reporting officer
Detective J. Hoag.
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Date of Report: 8-12-83.
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Person filing complaint:
Judy Ann Johnson, Mrs.
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Report follows:
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Mrs. Johnson came
to the police station
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approximately 10:30 a.m.
with her son, Malcolm,
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age two and a half years,
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and filed a complaint
charging Child Sexual Abuse.
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Reporting officer conducted
an interview with the child
and with his mother.
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Mrs. Johnson alleges
that her son has been molested
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while attending preschool
in Manhattan Beach.
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Complainant reported
that her son named
Raymond Charles Buckey...
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Subject walking
from parking lot on campus.
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(children shouting)
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Man:
Passed a group
of 12 schoolchildren,
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six to eight years of age.
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Subject stopped
and watched children playing.
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Subject was alone
and talked to nobody.
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TV announcer:
The Eyewitness News Team.
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From the desert to the sea
to all of Southern California,
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a good evening.
Here's the latest at 6:00.
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In a case which
has been described
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as one of the most
bizarre and shocking
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ever to involve young children.
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Reporter Wayne Satz
is now able to bring you
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this extraordinary,
exclusive story. Wayne.
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Tonight's story comes
out of the mouths
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of over 60 children,
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some of them as young
as two years of age.
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They have allegedly
been keeping a grotesque secret.
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The secret is they were
being sexually molested,
(phone rings)
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and made to appear
in pornographic films.
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The children were all
attending this preschool...
Man: Yeah.
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Man on phone:
Hi, it's Kelly.
Are you watching this?
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Man:
I'm watching it.
Call me when it's over.
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Satz:
What makes their statements
even more extraordinary
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and shocking is that the owner
of this preschool
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is 76-year-old
Virginia McMartin,
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Manhattan Beach's
most honored citizen.
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In fact,
this home video was shot...
Hey, baby.
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...at the Chamber
of Commerce...
Hey.
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...giving Virginia McMartin
the highest award...
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Watch this.
Sweaty.
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Watch this.
...the Rose and Scroll.
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Man:
Here, here, here.
Look at this. Look. Watch.
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To me, there isn't anything
that can equal the smile
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and love of a small child.
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Forgive me, I go on and on
when I get started
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on my favorite subject:
children.
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Satz:
But last year the mother
of one of the students,
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Judy Johnson, noticed her
two-and-a-half-year-old son
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was having a redness
on his bottom
and having nightmares.
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She accused Virginia McMartin's
25-year-old grandson,
Raymond Buckey,
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seen here in this home movie
at the school's
Halloween parade.
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Ray Buckey.
The Manhattan Beach Police
sent letters to parents
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whose children had attended
the McMartin Preschool,
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asking them to question
their children about
possible cases of sodomy,
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oral copulation...
This is the most
sickening thing.
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Yeah, and guess who
their lawyer wants to take
this case off his hands?
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Danny, no.
Not these people.
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The children all replied
that nothing had happened.
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That was until the district
attorney took the children
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to this nationally recognized
therapist on child abuse,
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Kee McFarlane, of C.I.I.,
the Children's Institute
International.
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She drew forth horrifying
stories of molestation
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from literally hundreds
of children based
on play therapy session
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which she videotaped.
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I don't think the depth
of terror that can be put
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into a child
should be underestimated.
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I've been working this field
for 13 years,
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and I haven't seen a situation
that compares to this.
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It's simply horrifying.
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They said the teachers mutilated
animals at their school...
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Oh, God, the poor babies.
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...their parents
would receive similar treatment.
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Is it any wonder
that they kept silent?
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Danny, this thing
is gonna be plastered all over
everywhere by tomorrow morning.
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I hope so. What a case.
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...and that way they don't
feel the parents will be killed
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because it's the puppets
that are saying it, not them.
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Satz:
Are the children able...
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We've been on this case
for weeks and it still
gives me the creeps.
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Yeah. Have you thought
about those parents?
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The guilt, the betrayal
they must be feeling?
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God, they trusted their children
to these people.
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A case like this makes
you glad you're a prosecutor.
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In the meantime,
to the outrage of many parents,
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Ray Buckey remains a free man.
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The grand jury...
Okay, Kelly, I'll take it.
The case is mine.
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You are crazy
to take this on.
And you are sweaty.
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Hey, come on, Grace.
Their lawyer's gettin' rocks
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thrown through his window
so he chickens out.
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Channel 7's
got him buried already.
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The odds against him
are 50 to one the other way.
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You really
wanna see him lynched?
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Do you understand
what these people did?
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Did to children!
Hey, a client's a client.
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(banging)
Woman:
Open the door. Police!
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(loud banging)
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Open the door! Police.
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Where's your son, ma'am?
(toilet flushes)
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Hm...
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Hey!
Look what we got here.
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Naked dolls, a robe,
women's underwear.
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Take a look at that.
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Woman:
That's a new one.
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"Be my baby."
Man: Yeah.
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Woman:
Black cape?
Man: Yeah.
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Woman:
I don't know.
Man: Strange.
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Woman: Kinda interesting.
Man: Buck naked.
They're all naked here.
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Officer on phone:
Hello, Mr. Davis?
Manhattan Beach Police.
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Your client's just
been arrested.
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Thanks.
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Sorry. Bye.
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(tires screech)
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(inmates shouting)
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Man:
What you do?
What you in here for? Huh?
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Close!
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Man:
Hey! Hey! Clark Kent!
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Clark Kent,
what you in here for, man?
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Show me your booking slip.
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Your booking slip,
that pink piece of paper
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they gave you
when you got in this place!
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Come on, put it
through the bars, man!
Let me see it now!
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Come on, let me see, man!
Come on!
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Come a little closer, man!
Come on!
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Come on, bring it closer!
Closer! Closer!
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Give me that!
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Whoa! Goddamn!
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56 counts of 288-C!
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This guy got 56 counts
of child molestation! Goddamn!
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Hey! You must be
that guy on the news!
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Buckey! Buckey!
(inmates banging bars)
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Buckey! McMartin,
that's you, ain't it?
Goddamn!
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(inmates shouting, banging)
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Open! Open!
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Get out! What the hell's
the matter with you?!
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What are you starting
in here, huh?
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(inmates shouting)
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Morning, guys.
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Whoop! Whoa. Okay.
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Congratulations.
I hear they had
to move you
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into the Celebrity Wing
with Sean Penn,
the Ninja Brothers
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and the Night Stalker.
I'm Danny Davis,
your new attorney.
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Kelly couldn't stand the heat,
so he got out of the kitchen.
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Thank you. Sam, thank you.
Come on. Chop-chop.
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Attorney/client privilege.
Shut the door.
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Don't worry, kid.
I'm the best there is.
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I haven't left anybody
in jail yet.
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Come on, guys.
Give me a break,
will ya? Come on!
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Geez. Everybody's watchin'
your cage. So here's the deal.
You don't talk to anybody.
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Not anybody.
You don't say you did it.
You don't say you didn't do it.
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You just don't talk.
(handcuffs rattle)
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What...? Why am I here?
I didn't do anything.
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Well, congratulations again.
You'll be the first
innocent client I ever had.
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No one in my family
has ever been arrested.
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This will kill them.
Well...
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Are you kidding
with those glasses?
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You look like
a child molester.
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Get rid of them or it's
gonna be a short trial.
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Satz:
This is a mind-boggling case.
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Not only has Ray Buckey
been taken into custody,
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but now they're
arresting his mother,
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57-year-old "Miss Peggy,"
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as she is called by children.
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Hoag:
Step back, please.
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Satz:
They're arresting
Peggy Ann Buckey,
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who is Virginia McMartin's
granddaughter
and Ray Buckey's sister,
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at Kennedy High School
in Newport Beach.
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Put your hands
behind your back, ma'am.
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You don't have to do it
in front of the kids.
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Excuse me.
Satz:
They also arrested
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62-year-old teacher
Betty Raidor
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as she was returning
with her granddaughter
from a stroll.
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Okay, move your
shoulder in first.
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Satz:
Mary Ann Jackson, 60,
mother of four,
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and grandmother of five.
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Babette Spitler,
mother of two
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who had once worked
helping abused children.
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And, amazingly enough,
the grand jury also indicted
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the 76-year-old owner
of the McMartin School,
Virginia McMartin.
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I said stop this right now! Oh!
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Danny:
Hello, my nameis Danny Davis.
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I'll be representing you
for the bail hearing.
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Why are we here?
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How can the police do this?
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You're here
because you were
indicted by a grand jury
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and the police were well
within their rights.
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What about our rights?
The parents were afraid
something else
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might happen
to their children.
What do the TV people
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think they're doing?
That reporter stuck his
camera right in my face!
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Wayne Satz,
he's the Geraldo of local news,
but he's usually not wrong.
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What's the matter
with everybody? Don't they
know children make up stories?
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A lot of new research
indicates that they don't make
up stories about child abuse.
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Oh, hogwash!
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Well, Los Angeles believes it,
and the DA believes
that this case
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is gonna win him reelection.
Would you look at us?!
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Do we look like
child molesters?
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Does Ted Bundy look
like a serial killer?
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I'll need power of attorney
over your property
for your bail hearing.
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Your bail and your
granddaughter's is set
at $50,000 apiece.
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You want my house
and my school.
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Your daughter's
set at $350,000.
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Why should I give you
something I worked
my whole life for?
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And your grandson Ray Buckey
at one million dollars.
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She drove a school bus
for years to be able
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to get the money
to buy this school.
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In our neighborhood,
she's considered a saint.
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In her neighborhood, Joan of Arc
was considered a saint and they
burned her at the stake.
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Just sign here
on the X, please.
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If you're gonna be our lawyer,
you can start by getting my
grandmother's wheelchair back.
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And where did
they put my daughter?
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Look, I don't know you.
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I don't know anything
about you.
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If you wanna stay here forever,
then don't sign it.
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If you'd like to get out
on bail in a few days,
then please,
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just sign at the X. Okay?
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(tapping on glass)
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No physical contact.
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Thank you.
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(sighs)
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I'll see what I can do
about your wheelchair.
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Bye.
Huh.
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Did you see our new poll?
umber one concern?
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Woman:
Child abuse tops crime.
I know. Are you surprised?
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Boy! You are fast!
I've been chasin' you
all over.
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Can we work out
lower bail on McMartin?
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'Cause, you know...
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Hey, you know, my clients
aren't a danger
to the community.
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So what's the problem?
I mean, that's
the only justification
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for that kind of bail.
Am I right? Come on, Stevens.
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These people never
had so much as a parking ticket,
for Christ's sake.
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These people
are monsters, Mr. Davis.
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Do you actually
believe children would
make something like this up?
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I knew it would
be someone like you
who would take this case.
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What happened?
Did you run out of drug dealers?
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Is she kiddin'
with this shit?
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I want you
to know something.
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I care passionately
about this case.
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Do your bottom-feeding
somewhere else.
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Don't tell me that you
didn't take this case
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for the exact
same reason I did:
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because it's a great case.
The media are gonna
be all over it.
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They're gonna be
on this...
Shall I state the obvious?
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You are an opportunist
of the worst kind.
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You're using these
little children
to aggrandize yourself.
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They deserve better than that.
I intend to see
that they get it.
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One other thing.
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Whatever happened
to the presumption
of innocence?
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Yuppie scum.
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♪ ♪
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Man:
KSDL Mobile One to base.
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This is Mobile One in position.
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(overlapping chatter)
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(overlapping chatter continues)
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Man:
This is KABC News Van 12.
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We are transmitting
color bars and tone.
Do you have audio and video?
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(inaudible)
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Reporter:
Shock and disbelief
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is the reaction
in Manhattan Beach today
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as the horrified parents
and former pupils
at the McMartin Preschool...
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Reporter 2:
Raymond Buckey
also brandished a gun
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to terrorize the children...
Reporter 3: Deputy
District Attorney Lael Rubin
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says she'll be
charging 400 new...
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It's a parent's nightmare.
The person entrusted
to guard and teach their child
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is suspected of...
Female reporter: The scale
of this shocking...
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...the children
were used for pornography.
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Remember how vulnerable
they were feeling during
the time they were abused.
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They need to feel they have
power over their own destiny.
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Satz:
And cut.
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Reporter:
The children's stories...
How was that?
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It was terrific.
It's even better
than before.
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00:16:46,968 --> 00:16:50,200
Woman:
Yeah. And all this
in sweeps week, too.
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Here they come.
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Female reporter:
And here comes
Virginia McMartin,
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who was granted bail
two weeks ago
along with her granddaughter...
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Male reporter:
A poll conducted by District
Attorney Philobosian's
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reelection committee
identifies child abuse
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as the number one voter concern
in the upcoming elections.
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We're talking about
such acts as rape, sodomy,
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oral copulation and fondling.
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(shouting)
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Hi, did they see
all the kids?
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Shame on you, Mr. Davis.
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(metal detector wand whirs)
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00:17:26,801 --> 00:17:28,500
(indistinct chatter)
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00:17:41,734 --> 00:17:43,601
Bailiff:
Uh, we cleared a space
for the chair up there.
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Man:
Where?
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00:17:44,801 --> 00:17:46,567
Right there.
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00:17:46,634 --> 00:17:49,467
Sorry. Hi. I'm here.
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00:17:49,534 --> 00:17:51,334
Excuse me.
Could you...
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00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:52,834
We'll be out of here
in just about an hour, okay?
307
00:17:52,901 --> 00:17:56,367
Okay. Come on.
Get my brother released, too,
not just us women.
308
00:17:56,434 --> 00:18:00,067
On a million dollars bail?
One step at a time here.
Just sit down, please.
309
00:18:03,667 --> 00:18:05,601
You all right?
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♪ ♪
311
00:18:27,567 --> 00:18:29,968
So I'm gonna be five
or ten minutes here.
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I have a few things
that I have to present.
Just a formality.
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Then we'll have you
out of here and you'll be
on your way home. Okay?
314
00:18:42,100 --> 00:18:45,667
Perfect typecasting.
They could be
Buchenwald guards.
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00:18:46,934 --> 00:18:48,701
Look at the old woman.
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Man:
All rise. Department 100
in the Superior Court
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of the State of California
is now in session,
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Judge Ronald M. George
presiding.
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Miss Rubin.
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00:19:12,968 --> 00:19:17,367
Your Honor, the people move
to deny bail for the defendants.
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00:19:17,434 --> 00:19:20,467
What did she say?
(crowd murmuring)
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00:19:20,534 --> 00:19:22,033
We've already set bail.
323
00:19:22,100 --> 00:19:24,801
There have
been developments since.
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00:19:24,868 --> 00:19:28,634
Developments?
What developments?
325
00:19:28,701 --> 00:19:31,567
These children and their
parents were threatened
by the defendants
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that if they appeared
in court as witnesses
they would be killed.
327
00:19:34,367 --> 00:19:35,801
(crowd murmuring)
328
00:19:35,868 --> 00:19:39,300
These threats make them
a serious danger
to the public safety.
329
00:19:39,367 --> 00:19:43,033
Where is, uh...
Where is the proof
of this, Your Honor?
330
00:19:43,100 --> 00:19:45,133
I have it in statements
by the parents
and the children.
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00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:48,901
Well, I want to talk
to those children
and verify these things.
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00:19:48,968 --> 00:19:52,701
You'll get your turn.
Continue, Miss Rubin.
333
00:19:52,767 --> 00:19:54,901
Your Honor, the McMartin
Preschool was in the business
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00:19:54,968 --> 00:19:59,934
of orchestrating clear
and unequivocal child abuse.
Thank you.
335
00:20:05,801 --> 00:20:08,834
Yes, Your Honor.
I would like to, uh...
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00:20:08,901 --> 00:20:11,734
I would like to begin
with Peggy Ann Buckey,
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the, uh, sister of... of Ray,
uh, the daughter of Peggy Buckey
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and the granddaughter
of Virginia McMartin.
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00:20:19,033 --> 00:20:22,934
This, uh, young lady was awarded
the Higgins Scholarship
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for Outstanding Student of...
Student Teacher of the Year.
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Even to suggest that she
be denied bail...
Good old Danny.
342
00:20:29,767 --> 00:20:31,500
Next he'll call her a virgin.
343
00:20:31,567 --> 00:20:32,968
...granted to felons
and murderers...
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Judge:
Do you think allegations
of abuse against
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hundreds of children
is any less a danger than, say,
the murder of one person?
346
00:20:40,434 --> 00:20:43,200
But there is nothing more
than allegations, Your Honor.
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00:20:43,267 --> 00:20:45,567
I have read the transcripts
of the grand jury proceedings,
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00:20:45,634 --> 00:20:50,267
and I believe they
demonstrate the broad scope
of this conspiracy.
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00:20:53,701 --> 00:20:59,100
Denying bail to Miss Buckey,
Your Honor, would be more
responsive to the media
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rather than any precedent...
Judge: I think that's
entirely out of line,
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Mr. Davis.
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00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:09,067
If there is any case
where there is to be no bail
in a non-capital case,
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00:21:09,133 --> 00:21:11,734
this is that case.
Yes, Your Honor, but I--
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00:21:11,801 --> 00:21:14,167
In the interest
of public safety,
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I deny bail to Raymond Buckey.
356
00:21:16,968 --> 00:21:20,968
I also deny bail
to Babette Spitler,
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00:21:21,033 --> 00:21:25,133
Betty Raidor,
Peggy Ann Buckey,
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and Peggy Buckey.
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Your Honor...
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You Honor, I beseech you...
Mom.
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I beseech you to reconsider.
You promised
to get us out of here!
362
00:21:38,701 --> 00:21:39,834
What happened?
363
00:21:39,901 --> 00:21:41,133
I don't know what happened.
364
00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:42,868
I...
What about the children?
365
00:21:42,934 --> 00:21:44,834
What's gonna happen
to my children?
366
00:21:44,901 --> 00:21:47,067
Peggy!
I promise you...
367
00:21:47,133 --> 00:21:48,734
I promise you,
I will take care of this.
368
00:21:55,467 --> 00:21:57,234
(sighs)
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00:22:02,033 --> 00:22:04,934
Satz:
Mr. Davis.
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00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:08,133
Mr. Davis. Mr. Davis.
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00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:10,534
Mr. Davis?
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00:22:10,601 --> 00:22:12,434
What are you
running away for?
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00:22:12,500 --> 00:22:13,834
What do you want?
374
00:22:13,901 --> 00:22:16,000
I want you to tell
my viewers right here and now
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that you believe
your clients are innocent.
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00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:21,801
I refer you to their plea.
I believe it's "not guilty."
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00:22:24,500 --> 00:22:25,934
Cut.
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00:22:28,367 --> 00:22:29,601
Congratulations, Davis.
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00:22:29,667 --> 00:22:31,500
You just chickened out
in front of five million people.
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00:22:31,567 --> 00:22:34,467
You are such an asshole.
Thank you. Thank you.
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00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:37,400
Satz:
I have with me a man
who spent two days
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in the same jail cell
as the key figure
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00:22:39,267 --> 00:22:41,400
in the most amazing...
What are you watching?
384
00:22:41,467 --> 00:22:45,500
Ooh, nice tattoos.
What is he, a Hell's Angel?
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00:22:45,567 --> 00:22:47,901
Here.
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00:22:47,968 --> 00:22:51,300
Buckey told me in jail
that he had penetrated the kids
with K-Y Jelly
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00:22:51,367 --> 00:22:55,400
so it wouldn't tear 'em up.
Where does Wayne Satz
find these people?
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00:22:55,467 --> 00:22:59,567
Where he gets the whole thing:
from the prosecution.
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00:22:59,634 --> 00:23:03,367
...schoolchildren how
to perform...
oral copulation on a man.
390
00:23:03,434 --> 00:23:04,901
From the office sewer pipe!
391
00:23:04,968 --> 00:23:06,767
Man:
I told him I was there
for the same thing he was.
392
00:23:06,834 --> 00:23:10,133
This case is bad.
Can't you get out of it?
393
00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,667
Man:
I got five kids
and grandchildren of my own.
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00:23:12,734 --> 00:23:16,500
I did not say that my sister
stood in front of a classroom
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00:23:16,567 --> 00:23:18,434
and taught kids
how to perform sex acts!
396
00:23:18,500 --> 00:23:20,567
You're gonna have to talk to me,
gonna have to tell me
everything!
397
00:23:20,634 --> 00:23:22,267
You saw my sister!
Who could say that about her?
398
00:23:22,334 --> 00:23:23,601
Ray, you're gonna
have to talk to me!
399
00:23:23,667 --> 00:23:25,033
You're gonna have
to tell me everything!
400
00:23:25,100 --> 00:23:26,701
Because I am not gonna stand
in front of that court
401
00:23:26,767 --> 00:23:29,934
with my dick in my hand
waiting for them
to throw things at you!
402
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:31,701
Now, talk to me!
I said,
403
00:23:31,767 --> 00:23:35,267
and I mean that there
will be no surprises!
There's nothing!
404
00:23:35,334 --> 00:23:38,267
This is not a frat initiation
at San Diego State.
405
00:23:38,334 --> 00:23:41,500
There are going to be
little children on that stand
saying that they were hurt!
406
00:23:41,567 --> 00:23:42,767
You have got
to be ready for that.
407
00:23:42,834 --> 00:23:44,033
Who could be
ready for that?
408
00:23:44,100 --> 00:23:45,500
Hurt by you
and your sister
409
00:23:45,567 --> 00:23:46,934
and your mother
and your grandmother!
410
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:48,467
What do you want me to do?!
I can't make things up!
411
00:23:48,534 --> 00:23:50,701
All right,
all right.
412
00:23:50,767 --> 00:23:52,000
(sighs)
413
00:23:52,067 --> 00:23:55,100
Why would a guy wanna work
in a preschool with kids?
414
00:23:55,167 --> 00:23:57,801
I like being with kids.
415
00:23:57,868 --> 00:24:00,167
Never answer that question
like that again!
416
00:24:00,234 --> 00:24:01,701
Now, Mr. Buckey,
please tell the court
417
00:24:01,767 --> 00:24:05,801
why would a grown man
want to work
with preschool children?
418
00:24:05,868 --> 00:24:08,167
It was my grandmother's--
Wrong. Wrong! Come on, Ray!
419
00:24:08,234 --> 00:24:09,934
Come on!
I could be near the beach.
420
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:11,601
No, come on, come on.
Better, better, come on.
421
00:24:11,667 --> 00:24:13,367
I dropped out of college
and I needed a job.
422
00:24:13,434 --> 00:24:15,234
Ah, better. Better.
423
00:24:15,300 --> 00:24:17,100
It sucks,
but it's better.
424
00:24:17,167 --> 00:24:19,868
You know that some
of the, uh, parents
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00:24:19,934 --> 00:24:24,000
said you didn't wear
underwear to preschool.
You aware of that?
426
00:24:24,067 --> 00:24:25,868
No, I didn't wear underwear
underneath my shorts.
427
00:24:25,934 --> 00:24:28,033
So you got your dick
hanging out in front
of these little kids.
428
00:24:28,100 --> 00:24:29,367
They're surfer shorts,
they're long.
429
00:24:29,434 --> 00:24:30,801
Oh, your surfer dick
was hanging out.
430
00:24:30,868 --> 00:24:32,167
That makes it better.
It's a beach community!
431
00:24:32,234 --> 00:24:34,534
I mean, is that a crime now too?
No, but it's enough
to convict you.
432
00:24:34,601 --> 00:24:37,367
That's all. You could do
about 500 years in jail.
433
00:24:37,434 --> 00:24:39,367
Tell me about
your relationships
with women. Okay?
434
00:24:39,434 --> 00:24:41,767
How many women
have you been to bed with, Ray?
Just round numbers,
435
00:24:41,834 --> 00:24:44,534
like 20, 30, 50, whatever.
One.
436
00:24:44,601 --> 00:24:47,534
Do you mind?
437
00:24:47,601 --> 00:24:50,934
One... one what?
One woman.
438
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:55,167
How old are you?
You're what, 25 years old?
439
00:24:55,234 --> 00:24:56,467
You've been to bed
with one woman?
440
00:24:56,534 --> 00:24:58,734
Only one!
Is that another crime?
441
00:24:58,801 --> 00:25:03,100
When you're accused
of child molesting,
everything is a crime.
442
00:25:03,167 --> 00:25:05,901
(sighs)
You're a fruit, right?
443
00:25:05,968 --> 00:25:08,133
Come on, you like
to bite the pillow. Right?
No.
444
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,334
Hey, we all thought about it
at summer camp. Come on.
445
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,434
I'm not.
You can level with me.
446
00:25:12,500 --> 00:25:16,567
Okay. I have a little gift
for you here, Ray.
447
00:25:18,567 --> 00:25:20,834
"My name is Ray Buckey.
448
00:25:20,901 --> 00:25:25,667
I don't talk.
I don't listen."
449
00:25:25,734 --> 00:25:28,133
Ray, you gotta stop
grinding your teeth.
450
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:29,500
Very unattractive
in front of a jury.
451
00:25:29,567 --> 00:25:31,267
Man on radio:
You just have to take
one look at Buckey
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00:25:31,334 --> 00:25:32,500
and you know he's guilty.
453
00:25:32,567 --> 00:25:34,100
Rubin:
Why aren't we coming up
with stuff faster
454
00:25:34,167 --> 00:25:35,367
from the investigators
on this?
455
00:25:35,434 --> 00:25:37,667
We really, really have
to move quickly on this.
456
00:25:37,734 --> 00:25:40,634
I know. I'm hoping
for something from the names
of Virginia's diary.
457
00:25:40,701 --> 00:25:43,000
Good. There should
be a lot of material
in ten years of diaries.
458
00:25:43,067 --> 00:25:47,400
Where are we on the tapes?
Uh, we're playin' catchup.
More is coming all the time.
459
00:25:47,467 --> 00:25:49,801
Thousands of hours of tapes.
460
00:25:49,868 --> 00:25:52,100
Kee's working overtime.
461
00:25:52,167 --> 00:25:54,067
Woman:
When was the last time
any of us had any food?
462
00:25:54,133 --> 00:25:56,067
What do you say?
Greek? Chinese?
463
00:25:56,133 --> 00:25:58,534
Yeah. Good idea.
464
00:25:58,601 --> 00:26:00,467
Woman:
I'll get some takeout menus.
465
00:26:00,534 --> 00:26:02,767
Rubin:
What about pornographic
pictures? Huh?
466
00:26:02,834 --> 00:26:05,467
They gotta be out there
somewhere. Get a list
of all the photo labs.
467
00:26:05,534 --> 00:26:07,300
Man: By the way...
Oh, and get the FBI
468
00:26:07,367 --> 00:26:10,300
to check out dealers
in Scandinavia, too.
469
00:26:10,367 --> 00:26:13,534
By the way, this note.
Judy Johnson,
the original accuser...
470
00:26:13,601 --> 00:26:16,767
Judy Johnson. Listen,
Glenn, we've got hundreds
of kids making accusations now.
471
00:26:16,834 --> 00:26:20,834
They've all gotta
be checked out and it's
all gotta be done quickly.
472
00:26:20,901 --> 00:26:23,534
Thank you.
Rubin: Pet stores!
Check into pet stores.
473
00:26:23,601 --> 00:26:26,434
They're killing
all these animals.
There's gotta be a supplier.
474
00:26:26,500 --> 00:26:28,667
We should probably
check this Johnson note out.
475
00:26:28,734 --> 00:26:30,534
You know, just to see
if this woman is okay.
476
00:26:30,601 --> 00:26:33,234
In the note,
she seems kind of, uh...
477
00:26:33,300 --> 00:26:34,868
Well, fragile
would be polite.
478
00:26:34,934 --> 00:26:36,901
After all she's been through,
you surprised?
479
00:26:36,968 --> 00:26:40,667
I wonder if the defense
got this note?
480
00:26:40,734 --> 00:26:42,467
Why wouldn't they?
481
00:26:42,534 --> 00:26:45,534
Oh, and check out all
the animal labs too. Good.
482
00:27:04,033 --> 00:27:07,067
Hi there.
483
00:27:07,133 --> 00:27:08,767
You must be Malcolm.
484
00:27:17,434 --> 00:27:20,367
Mrs. Johnson?
485
00:27:20,434 --> 00:27:22,467
I'm Glenn Stevens
from the DA's office.
486
00:27:22,534 --> 00:27:23,968
I'll be helping you
with your testimony.
487
00:27:24,033 --> 00:27:27,834
I would like
to speak to your son as well.
488
00:27:27,901 --> 00:27:31,067
He's been through enough.
Malcolm, go inside.
489
00:27:36,701 --> 00:27:38,033
Well...
490
00:27:40,767 --> 00:27:43,534
You know, I'll have
to speak to him
sooner or later.
491
00:27:43,601 --> 00:27:46,868
I mean, after all,
it was your charges
492
00:27:46,934 --> 00:27:48,467
that started
this whole case.
493
00:27:48,534 --> 00:27:52,968
Your son is our
most important witness,
Mrs. Johnson.
494
00:27:58,234 --> 00:28:00,200
Female reporter:
Several more preschools
are being investigated
495
00:28:00,267 --> 00:28:02,400
for possible links...
Male reporter:
Parents dropping their children
496
00:28:02,467 --> 00:28:04,000
off at the
Hickory Tree Preschool...
497
00:28:04,067 --> 00:28:05,434
Reporter: The owner
of the Little Angels...
498
00:28:05,500 --> 00:28:07,300
Reporter 2: Authorities
in Manhattan Beach have raided
499
00:28:07,367 --> 00:28:08,868
the Manhattan Ranch Preschool...
500
00:28:08,934 --> 00:28:10,968
Female reporter:
They are also asking
that any parent...
501
00:28:11,033 --> 00:28:13,300
Male reporter:
The owner of the Greenup School
in Northridge
502
00:28:13,367 --> 00:28:15,534
has been charged
with 16 felony counts
503
00:28:15,601 --> 00:28:17,133
of child molestation.
504
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:17,968
Reporter: Peninsula Montessori,
505
00:28:18,033 --> 00:28:19,434
number two, and...
506
00:28:19,500 --> 00:28:21,701
Female reporter:
Sheriff Block said he believed
over 1200 children
507
00:28:21,767 --> 00:28:24,801
may have been molested
and swapped with children
from other schools.
508
00:28:24,868 --> 00:28:25,901
Man:
I'm going to ask you,
509
00:28:25,968 --> 00:28:27,234
this is about
the thousandth time,
510
00:28:27,300 --> 00:28:29,167
for the grand jury transcript
and the police report!
511
00:28:29,234 --> 00:28:30,567
I mean, if you won't
pursue this,
512
00:28:30,634 --> 00:28:32,067
we'll conduct
our own investigation!
513
00:28:32,133 --> 00:28:34,934
Not while I'm chief of police,
you won't.
514
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:38,167
Every minute
somebody's reporting
another child molester.
515
00:28:38,234 --> 00:28:40,500
There's a good reason for that.
You see what happened
at Greenup today?
516
00:28:40,567 --> 00:28:43,234
Yes, did you hear
what happened--
I'm really not sure
517
00:28:43,300 --> 00:28:45,300
how much evidence there is.
There's plenty of evidence.
518
00:28:45,367 --> 00:28:47,434
Do you ever watch the news?
Let's be careful here.
519
00:28:47,500 --> 00:28:49,667
Or some innocent people
will be hurt.
520
00:28:59,067 --> 00:29:00,500
There she is!
Child molester!
521
00:29:00,567 --> 00:29:03,701
(inmates shouting)
522
00:29:05,167 --> 00:29:07,868
We're gonna get you,
you motherfucking cunt!
523
00:29:07,934 --> 00:29:10,267
Die, bitch! Die!
(spits)
524
00:29:10,334 --> 00:29:13,868
(inmates shouting, laughing)
525
00:29:13,934 --> 00:29:15,934
Peggy:
They're going to kill me.
526
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:19,300
Peggy. Peggy,
I want you to try
to calm down if you can.
527
00:29:19,367 --> 00:29:20,667
Okay? No one's
gonna kill you.
You don't...
528
00:29:20,734 --> 00:29:22,968
You don't know
what it's like here.
529
00:29:23,033 --> 00:29:25,734
You don't think anything
like this
530
00:29:25,801 --> 00:29:28,834
can ever happen to you.
531
00:29:28,901 --> 00:29:32,267
I have to go
to the infirmary
for my medicine.
532
00:29:32,334 --> 00:29:36,734
And they have my handcuffs
behind my back.
533
00:29:36,801 --> 00:29:39,467
And they say...
534
00:29:39,534 --> 00:29:42,667
...words to me.
535
00:29:42,734 --> 00:29:45,167
They say they want
to hurt me.
536
00:29:45,234 --> 00:29:48,167
I don't know why they
put you in general population.
537
00:29:48,234 --> 00:29:51,234
We are going
to get you moved.
I promise.
538
00:29:53,834 --> 00:29:57,100
You seem like a nice man.
539
00:29:57,167 --> 00:29:58,934
Who are you?
540
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,200
Dean Gits is my name.
Remember?
541
00:30:01,267 --> 00:30:05,701
Judge George called and asked
if I wanted to represent you.
542
00:30:05,767 --> 00:30:09,334
How old are you?
You look like a kid.
543
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:10,834
39.
544
00:30:10,901 --> 00:30:14,267
You're much too thin.
545
00:30:18,601 --> 00:30:21,067
Reporter:
Fire crews were called again
last night
546
00:30:21,133 --> 00:30:24,133
to the site of the former
McMartin Preschool
in Manhattan Beach.
547
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,334
In what is believed
to be an arson attempt,
548
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,601
the vacant school buildings
were set ablaze
549
00:30:28,667 --> 00:30:30,634
between 3:00 and 4:00
this morning.
550
00:30:30,701 --> 00:30:33,767
The fire was brought
under control and there
were no casualties.
551
00:30:33,834 --> 00:30:38,601
Authorities suspect there
may be a link with the ongoing
child molestation case...
552
00:30:40,067 --> 00:30:40,968
Watch your step.
553
00:30:41,033 --> 00:30:42,467
The second time
in two months.
554
00:30:42,534 --> 00:30:44,634
Shoulda let it burn.
555
00:30:48,934 --> 00:30:51,300
What a mess.
556
00:30:51,367 --> 00:30:53,701
Watch out for the puddle.
557
00:30:53,767 --> 00:30:56,767
The windows,
look how big they are.
558
00:30:56,834 --> 00:30:58,500
You can see right in.
559
00:30:58,567 --> 00:31:00,133
We're on the busiest street
in town
560
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,334
and you can see right in.
561
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:04,667
Anybody could.
562
00:31:04,734 --> 00:31:07,634
Did they have curtains?
I don't see any.
563
00:31:07,701 --> 00:31:09,934
(banging)
564
00:31:14,500 --> 00:31:17,901
You think they did it?
What do you think?
565
00:31:17,968 --> 00:31:20,934
Well, when I read Peggy
the charges against her,
566
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:24,868
she asked me what a dildo was.
567
00:31:24,934 --> 00:31:26,367
The others are the same.
568
00:31:26,434 --> 00:31:30,334
Mothers, grandmothers.
Christian Scientists.
569
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:31,901
Never as much
as a parking ticket.
570
00:31:31,968 --> 00:31:35,334
And yet you have
these kids saying
that they were raped,
571
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:39,367
sodomized,
made to do pornography.
572
00:31:39,434 --> 00:31:41,334
I don't know.
573
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:43,634
It's kinda hard
to imagine it happening here,
isn't it?
574
00:31:43,701 --> 00:31:48,601
I've seen so much in my time,
nothin' shocks me.
575
00:31:48,667 --> 00:31:51,300
I don't see any closets.
Aren't some of the kids
saying that Ray
576
00:31:51,367 --> 00:31:53,033
would hide them in a closet
when their parents came?
577
00:31:53,100 --> 00:31:54,400
Isn't that suppose
to be on the tapes?
578
00:31:54,467 --> 00:31:55,868
Did you get anywhere
with those tapes?
579
00:31:55,934 --> 00:31:59,467
The other side sees the tapes.
Our side flies blind.
580
00:31:59,534 --> 00:32:02,500
I'm doin' the best I can.
Where are the closets?
581
00:32:02,567 --> 00:32:04,901
Man:
Fucking baby rapers!
(gunshot)
582
00:32:04,968 --> 00:32:07,434
(tires screeching)
Hey!
583
00:32:10,834 --> 00:32:12,634
Let me show you
the interview room.
584
00:32:12,701 --> 00:32:16,500
Hi, guys.
Children: Hi!
585
00:32:16,567 --> 00:32:19,500
Still busy, I see.
It's unbelievable, isn't it?
586
00:32:19,567 --> 00:32:23,634
The parents and the kids
spread the word around,
there's more coming every day.
587
00:32:23,701 --> 00:32:25,400
Come in.
588
00:32:25,467 --> 00:32:27,033
How many have you
taped so far?
589
00:32:27,100 --> 00:32:29,601
Over 300.
590
00:32:29,667 --> 00:32:31,801
And how long is each tape?
591
00:32:31,868 --> 00:32:34,133
Anywhere from an hour
and a half to two.
592
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,801
What? We go into
preliminary next month.
593
00:32:36,868 --> 00:32:38,267
How am I gonna look
at all of these?
594
00:32:38,334 --> 00:32:42,033
We've indexed every charge
on our VCR counter. Sandy.
595
00:32:43,667 --> 00:32:45,167
Fantastic.
596
00:32:45,234 --> 00:32:47,500
Let's see.
Have a seat.
597
00:32:47,567 --> 00:32:50,300
Uh... let's see.
598
00:32:50,367 --> 00:32:53,200
Chuck Ross. 25-12.
599
00:32:53,267 --> 00:32:56,601
The child says,
"Ray and Peggy
touched my penis."
600
00:32:58,868 --> 00:33:01,367
Maryann, 32-71.
601
00:33:01,434 --> 00:33:03,367
"Maryann made me
kiss her boobs."
602
00:33:03,434 --> 00:33:05,667
35-12. "Chuck says
he copulated Betty."
603
00:33:05,734 --> 00:33:07,234
Do you have anything
on Virginia?
604
00:33:07,300 --> 00:33:09,667
Heather.
Heather. Heather Ross.
605
00:33:09,734 --> 00:33:11,734
Here it is. 26-65.
606
00:33:11,801 --> 00:33:13,567
"Virginia would turn
her wheelchair around
607
00:33:13,634 --> 00:33:16,334
and clap while
the naked games were going on."
608
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,868
Wow. This is very helpful.
609
00:33:19,934 --> 00:33:25,067
It sometimes takes a while,
but the truth always
comes out in the end.
610
00:33:25,133 --> 00:33:27,868
(door rattling)
Guard: All right,
wakey-wakey!
611
00:33:27,934 --> 00:33:30,434
Time to get up! Let's go!
Come on! Get up!
612
00:33:30,500 --> 00:33:32,400
What's going on?
Move it!
Get your things together.
613
00:33:32,467 --> 00:33:33,934
We're moving you.
Where are we going?
614
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:35,500
Chop-chop!
Chop-chop!
615
00:33:35,567 --> 00:33:37,400
Over here, come on.
That's right, the bag.
616
00:33:37,467 --> 00:33:40,067
Pick up the bag!
That's right,
put the items in the bag.
617
00:33:40,133 --> 00:33:41,701
Very good.
What's happening?
618
00:33:41,767 --> 00:33:43,100
Come on over,
help her out here.
619
00:33:43,167 --> 00:33:44,400
We're transferring you.
Where are we going?
620
00:33:44,467 --> 00:33:46,801
We're transferring you.
Let's go.
621
00:33:48,033 --> 00:33:50,234
Come on. Move it!
622
00:33:50,300 --> 00:33:52,367
Would you please tell me
where you're taking me?
623
00:33:52,434 --> 00:33:54,434
Right here. 4203.
624
00:33:54,500 --> 00:33:57,734
Prisoner transfer time,
3:17 a.m.
625
00:33:57,801 --> 00:34:00,934
(woman moans)
I don't want to have
to share a cell with anyone.
626
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:02,067
In.
627
00:34:06,434 --> 00:34:10,067
(gasping)
628
00:34:10,133 --> 00:34:12,200
Mom!
629
00:34:12,267 --> 00:34:16,968
Mom!
Is that...
Is that you, Peggy Ann?
630
00:34:17,033 --> 00:34:21,100
It's you? Oh, thank God!
Thank God, it's you!
631
00:34:21,167 --> 00:34:23,000
(sobbing)
632
00:34:23,067 --> 00:34:25,100
Oh, it's so...
it's so awful here.
633
00:34:25,167 --> 00:34:27,500
There's this woman
in the next cell,
634
00:34:27,567 --> 00:34:30,400
and she's... she screams!
635
00:34:30,467 --> 00:34:35,500
All night long she screams!
Shh...
636
00:34:35,567 --> 00:34:37,534
Oh, I'm so glad
that you're here.
637
00:34:37,601 --> 00:34:40,701
I finally have someone
to talk to in here.
638
00:34:40,767 --> 00:34:43,234
Have you--
have you seen Ray?
639
00:34:43,300 --> 00:34:45,267
Is he all right?
How is my baby?
640
00:34:45,334 --> 00:34:47,434
They won't
tell me anything.
641
00:34:47,500 --> 00:34:49,667
Did they let him go home?
I'm so afraid.
642
00:34:49,734 --> 00:34:52,200
I'm so worried about him.
643
00:34:52,267 --> 00:34:54,167
I'm so worried
about all of us.
644
00:34:54,234 --> 00:34:55,634
Danny:
For God's sake,shut your mother up,
645
00:34:55,701 --> 00:34:57,234
unless you want them
to hear every word!
646
00:34:57,300 --> 00:34:58,701
What are you talking about?
647
00:34:58,767 --> 00:35:00,868
What? They're
probably bugging you.
648
00:35:00,934 --> 00:35:04,100
You think they'd put you
in the same cell out of
the goodness of their hearts?
649
00:35:04,167 --> 00:35:06,534
Do they strike you
as benevolent people? God!
650
00:35:06,601 --> 00:35:09,033
And they made us
take our clothes off
651
00:35:09,100 --> 00:35:12,300
and lay on our tummies
on the floor.
652
00:35:12,367 --> 00:35:14,267
And then they'd tie us up.
653
00:35:14,334 --> 00:35:16,167
And I was scared.
654
00:35:16,234 --> 00:35:18,801
They shouted at us
and told us to be quiet.
655
00:35:18,868 --> 00:35:23,167
She poked me with her fingers,
and it hurt.
656
00:35:23,234 --> 00:35:26,367
Where did it hurt you?
It hurt in my bottom.
657
00:35:26,434 --> 00:35:28,934
And some other men
were there as well.
658
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:30,701
Glenn:
What did they do?
659
00:35:30,767 --> 00:35:35,234
They watched.
And took photos.
660
00:35:35,300 --> 00:35:38,033
And then Ray would take us
to the car wash
661
00:35:38,100 --> 00:35:41,234
and we'd have to take off
our clothes in the car.
662
00:35:41,300 --> 00:35:44,801
And Ray would be with us
in the car and, um,
663
00:35:44,868 --> 00:35:46,968
he would touch us.
664
00:35:47,033 --> 00:35:50,267
These kids are so brave
to come forward.
665
00:35:50,334 --> 00:35:53,000
The poor little things
actually feel guilty themselves
666
00:35:53,067 --> 00:35:55,500
for the violations
they've suffered.
667
00:35:55,567 --> 00:35:59,267
They need all our love
and support to help them get
through this terrible trauma
668
00:35:59,334 --> 00:36:01,067
they've had to endure
669
00:36:01,133 --> 00:36:03,234
at the hands
of the people they trusted.
670
00:36:03,300 --> 00:36:05,367
Female reporter:
Kee McFarlane
also went on to say
671
00:36:05,434 --> 00:36:07,734
that the children's stories
have been remarkably consistent
672
00:36:07,801 --> 00:36:11,601
since the very
first allegations were made
nearly ten months ago.
673
00:36:11,667 --> 00:36:14,200
What is it?
What is so important?
674
00:36:14,267 --> 00:36:16,434
You know we have
a preliminary in two weeks.
675
00:36:16,500 --> 00:36:18,234
Hey, Malcolm.
Where's Judy?
676
00:36:18,300 --> 00:36:21,934
I thought it best that you
talked to Malcolm alone.
677
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,067
Tell him, Malcolm.
678
00:36:24,133 --> 00:36:25,667
He hurt me.
679
00:36:27,934 --> 00:36:30,500
Hoag:
Who hurt you, Malcolm?
680
00:36:30,567 --> 00:36:32,901
He poked me.
681
00:36:32,968 --> 00:36:35,901
Hoag:
Who poked you?
682
00:36:35,968 --> 00:36:40,434
Daddy poked me
with a stick in my bottom.
683
00:36:43,133 --> 00:36:45,500
What's a stick, Malcolm?
684
00:36:47,033 --> 00:36:48,734
This is a stick.
685
00:36:51,701 --> 00:36:52,968
Where did it happen?
686
00:36:54,500 --> 00:36:55,968
In the bath.
687
00:36:56,033 --> 00:36:59,167
Daddy took a bath with me.
688
00:37:07,133 --> 00:37:11,801
Did Mommy tell you
to say bad things
about Daddy?
689
00:37:11,868 --> 00:37:15,734
Uh-uh. No.
690
00:37:15,801 --> 00:37:19,267
Why don't you, uh,
go in to your mom, hmm?
691
00:37:19,334 --> 00:37:21,300
Thanks, buddy.
692
00:37:25,434 --> 00:37:27,534
Do you really believe
this is what happened?
693
00:37:27,601 --> 00:37:29,734
What choice do I have?
694
00:37:29,801 --> 00:37:32,634
Could there be
some other explanation?
695
00:37:32,701 --> 00:37:34,667
Come on, Jane. Is there?
696
00:37:34,734 --> 00:37:37,033
Well, he filed for divorce.
Well, there it is.
697
00:37:37,100 --> 00:37:39,734
Judy doesn't work.
She doesn't have anything.
698
00:37:39,801 --> 00:37:42,300
This is her way
of getting even, maybe even
getting a little money.
699
00:37:42,367 --> 00:37:45,500
We have to file charges
against the father.
Jane...
700
00:37:45,567 --> 00:37:50,567
If we do that,
the defense will
kill us with it.
701
00:37:50,634 --> 00:37:54,200
This was the first charge
against Ray Buckey.
702
00:37:54,267 --> 00:37:57,701
Malcolm was with his father
the night before Judy
reported he was molested.
703
00:37:57,767 --> 00:37:59,467
They'll say that's how
this whole thing started.
704
00:37:59,534 --> 00:38:02,634
Well, what do you
want to do then?
705
00:38:04,367 --> 00:38:06,601
Let the father
have visitation again?
706
00:38:06,667 --> 00:38:08,367
No.
707
00:38:08,434 --> 00:38:10,467
No, of course not.
708
00:38:10,534 --> 00:38:11,968
Just, uh...
709
00:38:12,033 --> 00:38:15,267
...tell Judy not
to let the father see Malcolm
710
00:38:15,334 --> 00:38:18,834
until we can check this out.
All right?
711
00:38:33,100 --> 00:38:35,500
You have no idea
what we went through
to get these tapes.
712
00:38:35,567 --> 00:38:37,434
We have to watch
all of them here.
713
00:38:37,500 --> 00:38:39,167
They won't let me take them
to my office.
714
00:38:39,234 --> 00:38:40,701
So I need you guys
to help me out.
715
00:38:40,767 --> 00:38:42,400
I want you to take notes
on each child.
716
00:38:42,467 --> 00:38:44,634
Write down every single thing
you can remember
717
00:38:44,701 --> 00:38:46,868
about him or her.
718
00:38:46,934 --> 00:38:51,334
The first kid
we're seeing is,
uh, Jonathan Lawson.
719
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:52,567
Okay.
720
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:55,534
We can skip him.
721
00:38:55,601 --> 00:38:58,133
I came to the school
after... after he was gone.
722
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:01,133
Well, I think this tape
is gonna show
that he remembers you.
723
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:03,734
So let's, um,
724
00:39:03,801 --> 00:39:07,434
refresh your recollection,
as they say in the courtroom.
725
00:39:07,500 --> 00:39:12,467
I've got some really
crazy-looking dolls
to show you.
726
00:39:12,534 --> 00:39:15,934
These are as nutty
as anything.
727
00:39:18,500 --> 00:39:21,200
(woman chuckles)
Wow, that's weird.
728
00:39:21,267 --> 00:39:24,734
Woman:
These kinda look
like cupcakes, don't they?
729
00:39:24,801 --> 00:39:27,467
(Jonathan giggles)
She has a belly button.
730
00:39:27,534 --> 00:39:31,534
She has hair on her vagina.
(giggles)
731
00:39:31,601 --> 00:39:33,701
(mutters indistinctly)
Woman: And this one...
732
00:39:35,634 --> 00:39:38,367
This one has a penis.
(chuckles)
733
00:39:40,234 --> 00:39:44,300
Now, I'd like you
to look at a picture.
734
00:39:46,901 --> 00:39:49,200
Woman:
You know him, don't you?
735
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:52,934
Remember him?
736
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:54,367
Uh, yeah, I think.
737
00:39:54,434 --> 00:39:56,133
"I think."
Woman: Was he a teacher
738
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:59,267
when you were
in school back then?
739
00:39:59,334 --> 00:40:01,367
Um...
740
00:40:01,434 --> 00:40:04,434
No, I don't
think I remember him.
741
00:40:04,500 --> 00:40:06,868
Look at his face.
742
00:40:09,367 --> 00:40:13,000
No.
Was he around,
maybe back then?
743
00:40:13,067 --> 00:40:16,567
No, I wasn't.
Who is she to do this?
744
00:40:16,634 --> 00:40:18,601
Shhh, listen.
745
00:40:21,434 --> 00:40:24,400
I didn't see him much.
Once or twice.
746
00:40:24,467 --> 00:40:28,033
Woman:
The older kids like you
have to help the little kids
747
00:40:28,100 --> 00:40:29,601
'cause they're not
as smart as you.
748
00:40:29,667 --> 00:40:31,500
And we found out
some crummy stuff
749
00:40:31,567 --> 00:40:33,067
happened to these little kids.
750
00:40:33,133 --> 00:40:35,434
Do you think you might
be able to help us out?
751
00:40:35,500 --> 00:40:39,334
It didn't happen to me.
No? It didn't happen to you?
752
00:40:41,834 --> 00:40:45,300
Somehow I can't remember.
I'm not sure about it.
753
00:40:45,367 --> 00:40:48,067
Woman:
Well, sometimes some
of this stuff
754
00:40:48,133 --> 00:40:50,634
is really hard to talk about.
755
00:40:50,701 --> 00:40:52,434
And that's why we use puppets!
756
00:40:52,500 --> 00:40:57,100
Hi, Snake!
757
00:40:57,167 --> 00:40:59,901
Some of the kids told us
they played yucky games
758
00:40:59,968 --> 00:41:03,667
and the teachers
would touch them
in some yucky places.
759
00:41:03,734 --> 00:41:06,634
Did something like that
happen to Jonathan?
760
00:41:06,701 --> 00:41:07,934
To me it didn't.
761
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,968
It didn't happen
to Jonathan?
762
00:41:11,033 --> 00:41:13,467
No, it didn't happen to me.
763
00:41:13,534 --> 00:41:14,901
(voices rewind)
764
00:41:14,968 --> 00:41:19,200
No, it didn't happen to me.
"It didn't happen to me."
765
00:41:19,267 --> 00:41:23,500
Do you guys remember
the tickle game?
766
00:41:23,567 --> 00:41:25,300
Tickle game?
767
00:41:26,734 --> 00:41:30,133
Woman:
Come on. Your memory
can't be that bad.
768
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:34,133
All your best friends
say you played it.
769
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:38,567
What's the matter, Snake?
Isn't your memory
as good as theirs?
770
00:41:38,634 --> 00:41:41,534
Um, I remember
the tickle game.
771
00:41:41,601 --> 00:41:44,133
Woman:
See? What a good memory!
772
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:46,133
I thought I had a bad one.
773
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:49,267
It might be better
than you thought.
774
00:41:49,334 --> 00:41:52,634
Maybe you could show us
how the tickle game was played.
775
00:41:52,701 --> 00:41:56,167
Jonathan:
We'd crawl around,
776
00:41:56,234 --> 00:41:58,200
and they'd try to get us.
777
00:41:58,267 --> 00:42:01,834
They'd go slow and...
778
00:42:01,901 --> 00:42:04,400
...tickle us!
(scoffs)
779
00:42:05,834 --> 00:42:08,334
Woman:
Was it a naked game sometimes?
780
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:12,200
They'd go like this,
and pull up my t-shirt
781
00:42:12,267 --> 00:42:15,167
and tickle my belly.
That's all that happened.
782
00:42:15,234 --> 00:42:19,000
Woman:
That's all that happened?
Yes.
783
00:42:19,067 --> 00:42:21,367
This kid could end up
saving your life.
784
00:42:21,434 --> 00:42:25,100
Woman:
Okay. You guys remember
the naked movie star game?
785
00:42:25,167 --> 00:42:27,868
Naked movie star game?
786
00:42:27,934 --> 00:42:32,601
It was sort of
a fashion show, I think.
787
00:42:32,667 --> 00:42:37,434
Where I'll walk across
the room.
Turn around and around?
788
00:42:37,500 --> 00:42:40,167
What did the grownups do?
789
00:42:42,334 --> 00:42:43,567
Jonathan:
I think...
790
00:42:43,634 --> 00:42:47,267
I'm not sure. Taking pictures?
791
00:42:47,334 --> 00:42:50,968
Boy, you're
really somethin'!
792
00:42:51,033 --> 00:42:53,367
Who was taking pictures?
793
00:42:53,434 --> 00:42:56,033
I'm really trying
to test your brain here.
794
00:42:56,100 --> 00:43:00,534
It was Ray. I know that.
(voices rewind)
795
00:43:00,601 --> 00:43:04,634
It was Ray. I know that.
(voices rewind)
796
00:43:04,701 --> 00:43:08,567
It was Ray. I know that.
Woman:
Amazing!
797
00:43:08,634 --> 00:43:12,500
Amazing! Amazing!
798
00:43:12,567 --> 00:43:14,434
Amazing!
799
00:43:14,500 --> 00:43:19,100
It was scary.
He told us to hide
in a tunnel under the school.
800
00:43:19,167 --> 00:43:21,868
When our moms and dads came,
they wouldn't see us.
801
00:43:21,934 --> 00:43:25,300
And we were all naked,
802
00:43:25,367 --> 00:43:28,834
and we had to do this dance.
803
00:43:28,901 --> 00:43:31,634
And Ray, he killed the horse.
804
00:43:31,701 --> 00:43:33,767
He hit it and it died.
805
00:43:36,434 --> 00:43:37,667
What did he hit it with?
806
00:43:37,734 --> 00:43:39,934
A baseball bat.
807
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:43,534
He hit it
and the horse fell down.
808
00:43:43,601 --> 00:43:47,234
Glenn:
Who else was there?
The Goat Man.
809
00:43:49,267 --> 00:43:53,434
And then they took us
to the airport
and we flew on a plane.
810
00:43:53,500 --> 00:43:56,801
The airport? Didn't...
811
00:43:56,868 --> 00:43:58,934
Didn't you tell me it was,
uh, the car wash?
812
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:02,000
Uh, it was the airport,
813
00:44:02,067 --> 00:44:04,300
but the plane had no windows.
814
00:44:09,167 --> 00:44:11,367
(door opens)
815
00:44:14,267 --> 00:44:16,500
You're free.
You're out on bail.
816
00:44:16,567 --> 00:44:18,500
Your father's waiting
to pick you up
in the parking lot.
817
00:44:18,567 --> 00:44:20,934
What? Right now?
Right now. Let's go.
818
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:22,701
What about the others?
Are they out, too?
819
00:44:22,767 --> 00:44:24,734
Not Ray.
But we expected that.
820
00:44:24,801 --> 00:44:27,067
And your mother's lawyer
waived her right
to a speedy trial.
821
00:44:27,133 --> 00:44:29,667
Oh, my God.
All right. Come on.
822
00:44:33,667 --> 00:44:35,767
I'm going to be
on my own here again.
823
00:44:35,834 --> 00:44:39,334
It'll be okay, Mom.
You'll be out soon.
824
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:42,467
I'll leave this comb.
Maybe you'll need it.
825
00:44:47,734 --> 00:44:49,200
It'll be okay.
826
00:44:49,267 --> 00:44:51,834
Be strong.
I love you.
827
00:44:53,234 --> 00:44:57,033
I don't think I can
make it here alone.
828
00:44:59,100 --> 00:45:00,734
What?
829
00:45:00,801 --> 00:45:05,133
I don't think I can
make it here on my own.
830
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:13,100
Okay. Okay.
(sobbing)
831
00:45:13,167 --> 00:45:16,334
Okay, I'll stay with you.
I'll stay.
832
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:19,968
I won't let 'em
put up bail for me
833
00:45:20,033 --> 00:45:21,834
and I'll just...
834
00:45:21,901 --> 00:45:26,100
I n do that.
I can stay. Okay?
835
00:45:31,434 --> 00:45:34,667
No. You go on.
836
00:45:38,067 --> 00:45:40,367
Hurry up, before they
change their mind.
837
00:45:40,434 --> 00:45:41,901
Go on.
838
00:45:43,567 --> 00:45:47,767
Go on! Go on.
839
00:45:57,133 --> 00:46:00,033
Woman:
Prisoner release here.
840
00:46:00,100 --> 00:46:01,868
(sighs)
841
00:46:01,934 --> 00:46:04,767
I'm sorry.
I thought I heard
you say thank you
842
00:46:04,834 --> 00:46:09,667
for getting you out.
Clearly mistaken.
843
00:46:09,734 --> 00:46:14,734
I can't. I can't.
I feel too guilty.
Guilty about what?
844
00:46:14,801 --> 00:46:18,267
About leaving
everybody behind.
845
00:46:43,500 --> 00:46:49,167
Today, just weeks after
new DA Ira Reiner's
taking over the reins for...
846
00:46:49,234 --> 00:46:52,701
Incredibly, it's now
11 months since we started
bringing you these exclusive
847
00:46:52,767 --> 00:46:54,834
reports on this extraordinary...
...from the first child witness,
848
00:46:54,901 --> 00:46:59,000
a seven-year-old boy
named simply John Doe 7.
849
00:46:59,067 --> 00:47:00,901
Reporter:
Testimony is expected
to contain explicit allegations
850
00:47:00,968 --> 00:47:02,500
highly damaging
to the defense,
851
00:47:02,567 --> 00:47:04,067
and the mood here
in the courthouse
852
00:47:04,133 --> 00:47:05,667
is one of grim anticipation.
853
00:47:05,734 --> 00:47:09,500
There is no doubt
that feelings about the case
run very high indeed.
854
00:47:09,567 --> 00:47:10,500
Man: Here they come!
855
00:47:10,567 --> 00:47:12,400
Satz: ...in the whole area
of child abuse.
856
00:47:12,467 --> 00:47:16,300
I just hope that it doesn't
lead to hysteria and contagion.
857
00:47:16,367 --> 00:47:19,100
♪ ♪
858
00:47:22,267 --> 00:47:24,133
Peggy Ann:
Please, the lights
are hurting her eyes!
859
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:25,500
She's got cataracts.
860
00:47:25,567 --> 00:47:27,901
Danny:
Hey, come on.
What are you doing?
861
00:47:27,968 --> 00:47:29,767
Come on, she has cataracts.
What's going on here?
862
00:47:29,834 --> 00:47:32,500
Hey, move that!
What are you doing?
You son of a bitch!
863
00:47:32,567 --> 00:47:33,767
(grunts)
864
00:47:33,834 --> 00:47:37,000
No one told you
to defend the devil!
865
00:47:43,300 --> 00:47:47,601
Ugh!
(camera shutters clicking)
866
00:47:47,667 --> 00:47:49,634
Okay, you got what you need?
867
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:08,267
As you can see, we've put
the press in another room
868
00:48:08,334 --> 00:48:10,400
while children testify.
869
00:48:10,467 --> 00:48:13,334
They will have to watch us
on closed-circuit TV.
870
00:48:15,934 --> 00:48:17,467
Hi, Sean.
871
00:48:18,868 --> 00:48:21,868
How old are you?
Seven.
872
00:48:21,934 --> 00:48:24,367
Glenn:
Do you know the difference
between the truth and a lie?
873
00:48:24,434 --> 00:48:25,834
Yes.
874
00:48:25,901 --> 00:48:27,968
Glenn:
What happens to you
when you tell a lie?
875
00:48:28,033 --> 00:48:31,167
Sean:
You get in big trouble.
876
00:48:31,234 --> 00:48:32,868
Glenn:
Now, Sean,
while you were at school,
877
00:48:32,934 --> 00:48:36,200
did you ever play
any naked games?
878
00:48:36,267 --> 00:48:38,868
Cowboys and Indians?
879
00:48:38,934 --> 00:48:42,500
We were the cowboys
and they were the Indians
880
00:48:42,567 --> 00:48:47,234
and then they would take us
and put us in jail,
and then they'd touch us.
881
00:48:47,300 --> 00:48:49,901
Glenn:
Where did they touch you?
Sean: In the penis.
882
00:48:49,968 --> 00:48:52,534
Glenn:
Who touched you, Sean?
883
00:48:52,601 --> 00:48:55,667
Ray and Miss Peggy.
884
00:48:59,467 --> 00:49:02,601
Did you ever play
any other naked games?
885
00:49:02,667 --> 00:49:05,767
Alligator game.
886
00:49:05,834 --> 00:49:08,000
Glenn:
Could you tell us
the names of the people
887
00:49:08,067 --> 00:49:10,467
who played
the alligator game?
888
00:49:10,534 --> 00:49:12,734
I don't remember.
889
00:49:17,834 --> 00:49:20,667
Oh, well...
what other games
890
00:49:20,734 --> 00:49:23,701
did you play, Sean?
891
00:49:23,767 --> 00:49:26,434
Naked movie star?
That's right.
892
00:49:26,500 --> 00:49:29,701
Did somebody take pictures
of you during that game?
893
00:49:31,033 --> 00:49:33,467
Yea--
Uh... don't remember.
894
00:49:37,133 --> 00:49:38,934
Now, didn't...
didn't you tell me
that, uh, Miss Virginia
895
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:41,634
took the pictures
during naked movie star game?
896
00:49:41,701 --> 00:49:45,500
Your Honor,
leading the witness.
Objection.
897
00:49:45,567 --> 00:49:47,434
Objection overruled.
898
00:49:48,834 --> 00:49:52,033
Sean?
Did Miss Virginia
899
00:49:52,100 --> 00:49:53,500
take the pictures
900
00:49:53,567 --> 00:49:56,133
while you played
the naked movie star game?
901
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:57,234
Yes.
902
00:49:57,300 --> 00:49:59,634
Did Ray ever touch you
with anything
903
00:49:59,701 --> 00:50:03,734
beside his hand?
With his penis.
904
00:50:03,801 --> 00:50:07,300
Glenn:
Where did Ray put his penis?
905
00:50:07,367 --> 00:50:10,167
In my penis.
906
00:50:10,234 --> 00:50:13,133
Did he say, "In my penis?"
Yes.
907
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:15,000
Thank you.
908
00:50:20,434 --> 00:50:23,400
Danny:
Good morning, Sean.
Good morning.
909
00:50:23,467 --> 00:50:27,200
Good morning, Snoopy.
(chuckles)
910
00:50:29,934 --> 00:50:33,901
I understand your dad
calls you "Haystack."
Why is that?
911
00:50:33,968 --> 00:50:36,701
I don't know.
Do you think it's 'cause
of that little hair
912
00:50:36,767 --> 00:50:38,934
that sticks out there maybe?
Yeah.
913
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:41,567
(laughs) Sean, uh,
914
00:50:41,634 --> 00:50:44,634
your mommy took you
to a place called C.I.I.
915
00:50:44,701 --> 00:50:46,434
and there you met
a lady named Kee
916
00:50:46,500 --> 00:50:49,267
and she showed you
some pretty strange dolls.
917
00:50:49,334 --> 00:50:50,801
Yes.
918
00:50:50,868 --> 00:50:54,000
Danny:
And the lady, Kee,
919
00:50:54,067 --> 00:50:57,300
wanted to talk to you
about penises, didn't she?
Yes.
920
00:50:57,367 --> 00:50:59,968
You think that was kinda funny,
this lady you just met
921
00:51:00,033 --> 00:51:03,834
wanted to tell you things
like that?
Sort of.
922
00:51:03,901 --> 00:51:06,200
Kinda weird.
She told you she thought
923
00:51:06,267 --> 00:51:10,634
that Ray had touched you
on the penis, didn't she?
Yes.
924
00:51:10,701 --> 00:51:13,934
And you said no, didn't you?
Yes.
925
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:17,067
Danny:
And she just kept askin' that
same old question, didn't she?
926
00:51:17,133 --> 00:51:18,300
Sean:
Yeah.
927
00:51:18,367 --> 00:51:19,701
And eventually, you said,
928
00:51:19,767 --> 00:51:22,734
"Well, yeah,
Ray touched me on the penis."
929
00:51:22,801 --> 00:51:25,367
Objection. Leading.
Judge:
Sustained.
930
00:51:29,567 --> 00:51:31,033
When you first talked
about this, Sean,
931
00:51:31,100 --> 00:51:35,467
you didn't remember
anybody taking pictures,
did you?
932
00:51:35,534 --> 00:51:38,801
No.
And then Mr. Stevens
helped you remember
933
00:51:38,868 --> 00:51:41,100
that Miss Virginia
took pictures.
Sean: Yes.
934
00:51:41,167 --> 00:51:44,367
Danny:
And so you said yes,
Virginia did.
935
00:51:44,434 --> 00:51:46,634
Sean: Yes.
Danny: And you did that
because you knew
936
00:51:46,701 --> 00:51:49,267
he wanted you
to say that, right?
Sean: Yes.
937
00:51:49,334 --> 00:51:51,901
Danny:
And you thought if you didn't,
it would make him sad, right?
938
00:51:51,968 --> 00:51:53,634
Sean:
Yeah.
939
00:51:53,701 --> 00:51:56,334
Danny:
You're telling the story
that Kee wants you to tell.
940
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:57,934
Yes.
941
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:00,267
Danny: And the story
that everybody talks
to you about this case
942
00:52:00,334 --> 00:52:02,467
would like you to tell.
Yes.
943
00:52:04,601 --> 00:52:06,367
Thanks, Sean.
944
00:52:06,434 --> 00:52:10,267
Thank you.
And thank you, Snoopy.
945
00:52:10,334 --> 00:52:12,834
Court will recess
for 15 minutes.
946
00:52:12,901 --> 00:52:14,734
♪ ♪
947
00:52:14,801 --> 00:52:17,801
(indistinct chatter)
948
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:31,834
Sean, did anybody tell you
what to say when you
were in court?
949
00:52:31,901 --> 00:52:34,467
No.
950
00:52:34,534 --> 00:52:37,000
Now, when Mr. Davis
asked you
951
00:52:37,067 --> 00:52:42,100
if you were saying the things
that everybody wanted you
to say, you said yes.
952
00:52:42,167 --> 00:52:43,734
What did you mean by that?
953
00:52:43,801 --> 00:52:47,200
I said it because
I know they wanted me
to tell the truth,
954
00:52:47,267 --> 00:52:49,100
and I would
please them that way.
955
00:52:49,167 --> 00:52:51,300
Thank you, Sean.
956
00:52:51,367 --> 00:52:55,567
Witness will step down.
Court will recess.
(gavel bangs)
957
00:53:02,234 --> 00:53:04,167
Think we did it or not?
It's good, a good trial.
958
00:53:04,234 --> 00:53:05,667
Right.
And to really
make your day,
959
00:53:05,734 --> 00:53:08,234
during the recess,
one of the parents
tells the press,
960
00:53:08,300 --> 00:53:10,534
he's found porno pictures
of the kids.
961
00:53:10,601 --> 00:53:13,367
Oh, no. Oh, no!
But-- but he says
he can't produce them
962
00:53:13,434 --> 00:53:15,434
because, listen to this,
there are four cops
963
00:53:15,500 --> 00:53:18,467
on the Manhattan Beach
Police Department
involved in a sex ring.
964
00:53:18,534 --> 00:53:20,701
What? What?!
I don't know.
965
00:53:20,767 --> 00:53:23,400
Man:
You told millions
of people on television
966
00:53:23,467 --> 00:53:26,801
that Jim here
was part of a sex ring.
967
00:53:26,868 --> 00:53:29,133
Now say it in front of him.
968
00:53:33,133 --> 00:53:36,534
Okay, you said there
were pornographic pictures.
969
00:53:36,601 --> 00:53:41,234
Either you give them to me,
or I'll hold you in custody
until you do.
970
00:53:41,300 --> 00:53:44,133
There aren't any pictures,
are there?
971
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:46,567
What the hell's
the matter with you?
972
00:53:46,634 --> 00:53:48,133
Jim here's got
high blood pressure at it is,
973
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:50,033
without you
making up something like that.
974
00:53:50,100 --> 00:53:51,901
Why'd you do it?
975
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:55,167
We got national coverage
for an important issue
976
00:53:55,234 --> 00:53:58,634
affecting the lives
of innocent children.
977
00:53:58,701 --> 00:54:02,968
Did you ever hear
the term "the end
justifies the means"?
978
00:54:04,734 --> 00:54:07,467
Okay, let's strip the bed,
and check out the pillow.
I got it.
979
00:54:09,434 --> 00:54:12,067
Take it all off.
Check it all out.
You got it.
980
00:54:12,133 --> 00:54:13,500
Okay.
981
00:54:17,267 --> 00:54:19,334
You're not supposed
to bring anything back
from court.
982
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:23,167
It was just something
my mother made.
983
00:54:23,234 --> 00:54:25,000
She crocheted it for me.
984
00:54:29,567 --> 00:54:33,300
Okay, take your clothes off,
all of 'em. Hurry up. Hurry up.
985
00:54:35,133 --> 00:54:36,834
Hurry up!
986
00:54:39,834 --> 00:54:41,901
Give it to me.
987
00:54:49,100 --> 00:54:51,701
You have to go
over every cavity.
988
00:54:55,133 --> 00:54:57,500
Okay, now...
989
00:54:58,601 --> 00:55:00,400
Pull your ears
towards me.
990
00:55:04,767 --> 00:55:06,033
Shake your hair.
991
00:55:07,100 --> 00:55:08,701
Pull up your stomach.
992
00:55:11,968 --> 00:55:15,367
Okay. Now, bend over.
993
00:55:18,701 --> 00:55:21,467
Pull open your vagina.
994
00:55:21,534 --> 00:55:24,968
Cough.
(coughs)
995
00:55:25,033 --> 00:55:29,000
The reason for the coughing
is they like to bring things in
stuffed up their vaginas.
996
00:55:29,067 --> 00:55:30,500
Guard: You're kidding.
No.
997
00:55:30,567 --> 00:55:32,200
Like drugs, guns.
998
00:55:32,267 --> 00:55:34,667
You wouldn't believe
what you can fit up there.
999
00:55:34,734 --> 00:55:37,100
I had one once,
brought in six packs
of cigarettes.
1000
00:55:37,167 --> 00:55:39,100
(laughs)
1001
00:55:39,167 --> 00:55:42,133
Can I put on my clothes?
1002
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:44,834
What are you doing tonight?
I don't know.
1003
00:55:44,901 --> 00:55:47,601
I thought I'd catch
the new Clint Eastwood movie.
How about you?
1004
00:55:47,667 --> 00:55:50,801
I might shoot some pool.
1005
00:55:50,868 --> 00:55:53,534
I want to go home.
1006
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:57,100
She wouldn't even
let Dad see her naked.
1007
00:55:57,167 --> 00:56:00,267
I can't believe
they'd do that to her.
1008
00:56:02,300 --> 00:56:04,567
Do we have to keep lugging
this school stuff around?
1009
00:56:04,634 --> 00:56:06,934
Can't we get rid of it?
1010
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:10,334
This is the sixth time
we've had to move it.
1011
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:12,801
(sighs)
1012
00:56:14,667 --> 00:56:16,767
Gram?
1013
00:56:23,100 --> 00:56:24,868
(softly)
Gram?
1014
00:56:31,234 --> 00:56:35,267
How can you smile?
Doesn't it make you bitter?
1015
00:56:35,334 --> 00:56:38,601
Virginia:
Of course it does.
1016
00:56:38,667 --> 00:56:41,167
But who says
I can't be bitter
1017
00:56:41,234 --> 00:56:44,601
and still enjoy the sight
of little kids playing?
1018
00:56:47,033 --> 00:56:48,500
(laughs)
1019
00:56:48,567 --> 00:56:50,100
Woman:
Where did Peggy Ann
1020
00:56:50,167 --> 00:56:52,133
touch you on your body?
On my dick.
1021
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:54,200
Woman:
Did you have
to touch Peggy Ann?
1022
00:56:54,267 --> 00:56:55,801
Boy:
Yes.
Where?
1023
00:56:55,868 --> 00:56:57,100
Boy:
On her boobs.
1024
00:56:57,167 --> 00:56:59,434
Did you have to touch
any other part of her body
1025
00:56:59,500 --> 00:57:03,067
besides her boobs?
Her puss.
1026
00:57:03,133 --> 00:57:05,200
Did you see Ray do anything
to Peggy Ann?
1027
00:57:05,267 --> 00:57:07,667
He would put his dick
in her puss.
1028
00:57:07,734 --> 00:57:11,767
Woman:
Did you see Ray do anything
to the animals at school?
1029
00:57:11,834 --> 00:57:14,534
Boy:
He would cut the ears
off the rabbits.
1030
00:57:14,601 --> 00:57:17,167
Woman:
Did Ray say anything while he
was doing that to the rabbits?
1031
00:57:17,234 --> 00:57:19,000
Boy:
He said it would happen
to our parents
1032
00:57:19,067 --> 00:57:21,033
if we told any
of our secrets.
1033
00:57:21,100 --> 00:57:22,968
Woman:
Did the teachers
take you any other place
1034
00:57:23,033 --> 00:57:26,701
outside of the school?
To Harry's Market.
1035
00:57:26,767 --> 00:57:28,834
Woman:
And what happened
when you got there?
1036
00:57:28,901 --> 00:57:31,033
They took us
in this storage room
1037
00:57:31,100 --> 00:57:33,734
and touched us on our dicks
and took pictures.
1038
00:57:33,801 --> 00:57:36,934
Woman:
Did you go anyplace else
besides the market?
1039
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:39,534
To a church.
1040
00:57:39,601 --> 00:57:42,767
Saint Cross Church.
1041
00:57:42,834 --> 00:57:45,200
What happened at the church?
1042
00:57:45,267 --> 00:57:46,901
Boy:
The took us
down the aisle,
1043
00:57:46,968 --> 00:57:48,601
and on the altar
they put animals
1044
00:57:48,667 --> 00:57:52,868
like birds and rabbits
and chopped them to pieces.
1045
00:57:55,100 --> 00:57:57,167
Who is "they," Jonathan?
1046
00:57:57,234 --> 00:57:59,167
I saw people
wearing black costumes
1047
00:57:59,234 --> 00:58:01,934
with ropes around
their waists.
1048
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:04,100
And it would
look really scary.
1049
00:58:04,167 --> 00:58:06,300
And sometimes they'd
have devil suits on.
1050
00:58:06,367 --> 00:58:08,300
Woman:
Devil suits?
1051
00:58:08,367 --> 00:58:11,534
Yeah. And we were forced
to drink rabbit blood.
1052
00:58:11,601 --> 00:58:12,834
(all murmuring)
1053
00:58:12,901 --> 00:58:14,500
Reporter:
The witness, a ten-year-old boy,
1054
00:58:14,567 --> 00:58:16,934
gave perhaps the most
terrorizing testimony
1055
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:20,033
so far as he told
the court about...
1056
00:58:20,100 --> 00:58:22,968
Did you hear what he said
in there? They'll kill us.
I know.
1057
00:58:23,033 --> 00:58:25,801
Sacrifices in a church,
devils...
Just take it easy, Christine.
1058
00:58:25,868 --> 00:58:28,968
Glenn, has Rubin
been telling Reiner
the problems we're having?
1059
00:58:29,033 --> 00:58:31,500
I don't know.
Well, she told me
she would.
1060
00:58:31,567 --> 00:58:33,200
I mean,
if she doesn't, I will.
1061
00:58:33,267 --> 00:58:35,400
...told a rapt courthouse
how he was forced to drink
1062
00:58:35,467 --> 00:58:36,801
the blood
of a slaughtered rabbit.
1063
00:58:36,868 --> 00:58:40,234
Satz on TV:
What did you think
of Brian's testimony?
1064
00:58:40,300 --> 00:58:42,634
Do you think there
was actually Satanism...
Danny: This is unbelievable.
1065
00:58:42,701 --> 00:58:45,601
...at the McMartin school?
Can you believe this shit?
1066
00:58:45,667 --> 00:58:48,467
I mean, sacrifices,
group sex,
1067
00:58:48,534 --> 00:58:50,434
people walking
around in robes.
I mean, next they're gonna
1068
00:58:50,500 --> 00:58:53,234
have some kid telling
about the guy they nailed
to a cross,
1069
00:58:53,300 --> 00:58:56,234
or the virgin they sacrificed
on the altar.
This is getting scary.
1070
00:58:56,300 --> 00:58:59,334
It's out of control.
Don't you think? Hon?
1071
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:03,133
Don't you think so?
I do. I think this
is out of control.
1072
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:08,133
I believe we may be dealing
with a nationwide conspiracy
of child predators
1073
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:12,133
who are operating
daycare centers
as a cover for child abuse.
1074
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:14,567
Reporter:
Satanism, devil worship
1075
00:59:14,634 --> 00:59:16,801
is being practiced
all across the country.
1076
00:59:16,868 --> 00:59:19,801
We have all types
of perversion.
1077
00:59:19,868 --> 00:59:21,767
Reporter:
Is cannibalism
part of the rituals?
1078
00:59:21,834 --> 00:59:23,434
The children have spoken
about this...
1079
00:59:23,500 --> 00:59:26,901
Children were made
to chew pieces
1080
00:59:26,968 --> 00:59:29,000
of these children's hearts.
1081
00:59:29,067 --> 00:59:31,234
Pieces of their flesh.
1082
00:59:31,300 --> 00:59:33,400
Reporter:
When parents begin
to realize these things
1083
00:59:33,467 --> 00:59:36,667
are really happening,
and not just something
out of the Dark Ages,
1084
00:59:36,734 --> 00:59:39,500
it'll be much more difficult
for these people
1085
00:59:39,567 --> 00:59:42,167
to pull these things off.
(children shouting)
1086
00:59:42,234 --> 00:59:45,367
When we hear
of ritual sacrifices,
1087
00:59:45,434 --> 00:59:47,901
our reaction
is one of horrific avoidance.
1088
00:59:47,968 --> 00:59:51,133
We say things like,
"This only happened
in the Middle Ages."
1089
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:54,968
It doesn't mean that children
are not telling the truth.
1090
00:59:55,033 --> 00:59:58,467
(children shouting)
1091
00:59:58,534 --> 01:00:01,000
Danny:
So where is your storage room?
1092
01:00:01,067 --> 01:00:02,434
Man: I'll show you.
Danny: Oh.
1093
01:00:04,133 --> 01:00:07,033
This is it?
1094
01:00:07,100 --> 01:00:09,000
You can see the whole room
from the store.
1095
01:00:09,067 --> 01:00:11,567
My cashier is over there.
1096
01:00:11,634 --> 01:00:14,133
He can see everything
from the cash register.
1097
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:15,634
And it's always
been this way?
Always.
1098
01:00:15,701 --> 01:00:17,200
(cash register dings)
1099
01:00:17,267 --> 01:00:19,601
Glenn:
Is there any way what
he said could have happened?
1100
01:00:19,667 --> 01:00:21,868
Priest:
Well, our doors
are always locked.
1101
01:00:21,934 --> 01:00:23,500
We had a robbery
in the office one night
1102
01:00:23,567 --> 01:00:26,000
and the police told us
that they wouldn't
give us any surveillance
1103
01:00:26,067 --> 01:00:27,767
unless we kept
the doors locked.
1104
01:00:27,834 --> 01:00:29,701
Could someone
have broken in?
1105
01:00:29,767 --> 01:00:33,467
No. Not without the
treasurer or the secretary
or the accountant
1106
01:00:33,534 --> 01:00:36,000
hearing it from the chapel.
1107
01:00:36,067 --> 01:00:37,834
(vacuum whirring)
1108
01:00:37,901 --> 01:00:41,033
(reporters clamoring)
1109
01:00:41,100 --> 01:00:42,868
Could you hold
the door, please?
1110
01:00:42,934 --> 01:00:44,434
(clamoring continues)
1111
01:00:52,033 --> 01:00:54,300
Reporter:
Hold it! Virginia!
1112
01:00:54,367 --> 01:00:56,200
Hold that right there.
1113
01:01:03,234 --> 01:01:06,701
Are you sure you can ride
in the same elevator
as us, Mr. Satz?
1114
01:01:06,767 --> 01:01:08,334
We might pull out a rabbit
and drink its blood,
1115
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:09,901
or take off our clothes
and dance around naked.
1116
01:01:09,968 --> 01:01:14,467
Miss Buckey,
I don't make the news.
I just report it.
1117
01:01:14,534 --> 01:01:17,634
How do you expect
anybody to know your side
if you won't tell them
1118
01:01:17,701 --> 01:01:20,067
what you're feeling,
and that you're innocent?
1119
01:01:20,133 --> 01:01:22,400
(elevator dings)
You wouldn't be interested
and you know it.
1120
01:01:22,467 --> 01:01:24,701
All you want is Ray Buckey
trapped like an animal!
1121
01:01:24,767 --> 01:01:26,801
No comment. Sorry, no comment.
1122
01:01:26,868 --> 01:01:28,167
Virginia McMartin
flashed kids
from her wheelchair!
1123
01:01:28,234 --> 01:01:31,500
Peggy Ann Buckey made
a three-year-old child
copulate her.
1124
01:01:31,567 --> 01:01:33,567
You couldn't care less
about the truth!
1125
01:01:33,634 --> 01:01:36,200
No more questions.
What were you thinking?
Don't you ever do that.
1126
01:01:36,267 --> 01:01:39,634
Don't ever do that again!
Why not? This whole thing
is a farce.
1127
01:01:39,701 --> 01:01:42,067
Nothing happened at school.
You know it, and he knows it!
1128
01:01:42,133 --> 01:01:45,367
I'm sorry, no comment.
Somebody has to
be the voice of sanity.
1129
01:01:45,434 --> 01:01:48,400
I like your witnesses.
1130
01:01:48,467 --> 01:01:49,801
One of them recants,
1131
01:01:49,868 --> 01:01:53,167
saying he was making it all up
so you wouldn't be sad.
1132
01:01:53,234 --> 01:01:55,534
The other says he went
to Saint Cross Church
1133
01:01:55,601 --> 01:01:57,667
and a rabbit
was killed on the altar
1134
01:01:57,734 --> 01:01:59,534
and he had to drink its blood.
1135
01:01:59,601 --> 01:02:01,100
What are you trying to do,
win your case
1136
01:02:01,167 --> 01:02:03,734
or audition
for "Saturday Night Live"?
1137
01:02:03,801 --> 01:02:06,234
Why in the hell
did you use them?
1138
01:02:06,300 --> 01:02:07,868
Christine:
I'll answer that for Glenn.
1139
01:02:07,934 --> 01:02:09,901
Because they're
the best witnesses we have.
1140
01:02:09,968 --> 01:02:12,868
What about the tapes?
You have to see them
to believe them.
1141
01:02:12,934 --> 01:02:16,534
What does that mean?
The kids don't have
to say anything.
1142
01:02:16,601 --> 01:02:19,234
Kee McFarlane and Sandy Krebs
tell them everything.
1143
01:02:19,300 --> 01:02:21,000
If they say they
weren't molested,
they say,
1144
01:02:21,067 --> 01:02:24,200
"Well, everybody else
said you were,
so you must be wrong."
1145
01:02:24,267 --> 01:02:27,834
And if they say they
were molested, say,
"Boy, you're really amazing."
1146
01:02:27,901 --> 01:02:29,334
Rubin:
Well, what did you expect?
1147
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:30,834
The kids were just
gonna come out and say,
1148
01:02:30,901 --> 01:02:32,300
"Hey, I was raped
and sodomized?"
1149
01:02:32,367 --> 01:02:33,801
Especially after they
were threatened
1150
01:02:33,868 --> 01:02:35,367
with harm to their parents?
1151
01:02:35,434 --> 01:02:37,601
Reiner:
Let me ask a silly question.
1152
01:02:37,667 --> 01:02:40,801
Why am I hearing this
for the first time?
1153
01:02:40,868 --> 01:02:44,667
Didn't anybody look
at the evidence a long time ago?
1154
01:02:44,734 --> 01:02:48,968
Yes, of course we did.
But when we filed the
charges, there wasn't time.
1155
01:02:49,033 --> 01:02:50,767
There was just too much of it.
1156
01:02:50,834 --> 01:02:52,968
We had to rely
on McFarlane's logs.
1157
01:02:53,033 --> 01:02:55,567
Reiner:
Well, aren't they reliable?
No. They're not.
1158
01:02:58,434 --> 01:03:02,033
What exactly do we
have going for us?
1159
01:03:02,100 --> 01:03:04,834
We have a confession.
Man: Freeman.
1160
01:03:04,901 --> 01:03:08,434
The guy who was
in the cell with Buckey.
Do you believe him?
1161
01:03:08,500 --> 01:03:10,667
I don't bring forward witnesses
I don't believe in.
1162
01:03:10,734 --> 01:03:13,701
I don't like snitches,
and neither do juries.
1163
01:03:13,767 --> 01:03:15,701
They might not like them,
but they're impressed by them,
1164
01:03:15,767 --> 01:03:17,534
even if it's only
on a subliminal basis.
1165
01:03:17,601 --> 01:03:21,467
What about the medical evidence
that they were abused?
1166
01:03:21,534 --> 01:03:26,000
We can't get any doctor
who is independent of C.I.I.
1167
01:03:26,067 --> 01:03:27,400
to corroborate it.
1168
01:03:27,467 --> 01:03:28,534
No one of stature.
1169
01:03:28,601 --> 01:03:31,167
They say it's inconclusive.
1170
01:03:31,234 --> 01:03:34,234
Reiner:
I want recommendations.
Stevens.
1171
01:03:34,300 --> 01:03:37,901
Well, there... there
are problems with the case.
1172
01:03:37,968 --> 01:03:41,200
But there are other
considerations, too.
Like the media.
1173
01:03:41,267 --> 01:03:42,267
Please, leave them
out of it.
1174
01:03:42,334 --> 01:03:45,033
I'm developing
a reasonable doubt on six.
1175
01:03:45,100 --> 01:03:47,067
I say drop the charges
against the women.
1176
01:03:47,133 --> 01:03:50,868
Are you serious?
They molested children!
1177
01:03:50,934 --> 01:03:53,334
Reiner:
What about Buckey?
Can we get a conviction?
1178
01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:56,400
Maybe.
Maybe?
1179
01:03:56,467 --> 01:03:59,200
Christine:
He wasn't even at the school
when four of the children
1180
01:03:59,267 --> 01:04:01,534
are saying he molested them.
1181
01:04:01,601 --> 01:04:04,000
Glenn:
And the kids' stories
are changing.
1182
01:04:04,067 --> 01:04:06,634
They said that they were taken
by the teachers to car washes,
1183
01:04:06,701 --> 01:04:08,901
to mortuaries, to cemeteries.
1184
01:04:08,968 --> 01:04:11,868
Flown in an airplane
to Palm Springs.
1185
01:04:11,934 --> 01:04:15,467
Not one piece
of corroboration.
Not one person saw them.
1186
01:04:19,567 --> 01:04:22,133
All right, look. This office
can do what it wants.
1187
01:04:22,200 --> 01:04:25,033
As far as I'm concerned,
I don't intend to drop any
1188
01:04:25,100 --> 01:04:27,100
of the charges
against any of the defendants.
1189
01:04:27,167 --> 01:04:29,734
I think we have
a clear duty here.
1190
01:04:29,801 --> 01:04:31,500
But we're not
even sure about Buckey.
1191
01:04:31,567 --> 01:04:34,901
Look, look. Here is a guy
who abuses drugs,
1192
01:04:34,968 --> 01:04:37,934
who flunked out of almost
every school he ever attended,
1193
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:39,968
who sits in this preschool
day after day
1194
01:04:40,033 --> 01:04:41,701
with his genitals
exposed to these children.
1195
01:04:41,767 --> 01:04:44,334
And there's something
even more significant.
What?
1196
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:45,868
Let me have
the picture, Glenn.
1197
01:04:45,934 --> 01:04:48,834
This a picture of Buckey
at a pyramid convention.
1198
01:04:48,901 --> 01:04:50,033
You see this woman here?
1199
01:04:50,100 --> 01:04:52,834
She told investigators
she took him to a motel.
1200
01:04:52,901 --> 01:04:57,167
The woman even paid the tab,
and Buckey couldn't get it up!
1201
01:04:57,234 --> 01:04:59,734
What does that have to do
with molesting children?
1202
01:04:59,801 --> 01:05:02,634
Put it together with the rest
of the evidence, Christine.
1203
01:05:02,701 --> 01:05:04,300
Obviously, this is a man
1204
01:05:04,367 --> 01:05:07,067
for whom normal sex
is not possible.
1205
01:05:07,133 --> 01:05:10,767
He had to gratify himself
some way. Don't you think
this begins to add up?
1206
01:05:10,834 --> 01:05:14,767
Maybe, but that doesn't
explain his mother,
his sister, his grandmother.
1207
01:05:14,834 --> 01:05:17,434
The old woman
in the dark glasses?
Look, Glenn.
1208
01:05:17,500 --> 01:05:20,567
You don't think that women
are capable of the same desires
1209
01:05:20,634 --> 01:05:23,067
and the same aberrations as men?
1210
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:27,934
Philobosian.
1211
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:30,000
208 counts.
1212
01:05:30,067 --> 01:05:32,133
Do you think he over-fired?
1213
01:05:32,200 --> 01:05:33,634
(laughter)
1214
01:05:33,701 --> 01:05:35,834
Could be the election
had something to do with it.
1215
01:05:35,901 --> 01:05:37,868
You think?
All right, all right.
1216
01:05:37,934 --> 01:05:40,701
Look, just because
we're having some trouble
with some evidence,
1217
01:05:40,767 --> 01:05:43,634
that doesn't make
these people suddenly innocent.
1218
01:05:43,701 --> 01:05:46,367
Children don't lie
about this kind of thing.
1219
01:05:46,434 --> 01:05:49,400
There is a smoking gun
out there! I know it!
1220
01:05:49,467 --> 01:05:50,901
We've just gotta find it!
1221
01:05:50,968 --> 01:05:54,200
Somebody is gonna get drunk
and confide in someone.
1222
01:05:54,267 --> 01:05:57,167
Somebody is gonna attempt
suicide and leave a note.
1223
01:05:57,234 --> 01:05:59,601
Somebody is gonna find
those pornographic pictures.
1224
01:05:59,667 --> 01:06:03,667
That's all we need!
One picture! One!
1225
01:06:05,534 --> 01:06:06,934
I'd like to say something.
1226
01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:09,467
What is this about,
Mrs. McMartin?
Please be seated.
1227
01:06:09,534 --> 01:06:13,734
You told my lawyer
that the county will no longer
agree to pay him his fee.
1228
01:06:13,801 --> 01:06:17,734
I have no more money.
They took my school.
1229
01:06:17,801 --> 01:06:19,100
I have nothing left.
1230
01:06:19,167 --> 01:06:21,567
Mr. Brunen knew
what he was getting into
1231
01:06:21,634 --> 01:06:24,300
when he took this case,
and he's been paid
a large sum of money.
1232
01:06:24,367 --> 01:06:26,067
He will continue on
to the end of the hearing.
1233
01:06:26,133 --> 01:06:29,434
I've never accepted
charity before,
and I don't intend to now.
1234
01:06:29,500 --> 01:06:31,100
Then I'll get you
another attorney.
1235
01:06:31,167 --> 01:06:35,834
I won't talk to him.
Mrs. McMartin, do you have
any knowledge of the law?
1236
01:06:35,901 --> 01:06:38,634
I have something more important.
I know the children.
1237
01:06:38,701 --> 01:06:41,100
I've had them all
sit on my lap.
1238
01:06:41,167 --> 01:06:42,868
I think all of you
better take a course
in children.
1239
01:06:42,934 --> 01:06:44,834
It's my decision Mr. Brunen
will continue on
as your counsel
1240
01:06:44,901 --> 01:06:47,367
as to not interfere
with this hearing.
I will not, and I'll get up
1241
01:06:47,434 --> 01:06:49,934
and walk out of this courtroom
if you insist!
Mrs. McMartin, you will remain
1242
01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:51,968
in the courtroom!
Mom!
1243
01:06:52,033 --> 01:06:54,234
You will have
to stay, ma'am.
Are you going to use force?
1244
01:06:54,300 --> 01:06:57,601
Why don't you have a seat.
I will not have a seat.
1245
01:06:57,667 --> 01:06:59,868
If you wish to use force,
do it.
1246
01:06:59,934 --> 01:07:01,000
You're a little bigger
than I am.
1247
01:07:01,067 --> 01:07:02,334
You are ordered to sit down
1248
01:07:02,400 --> 01:07:04,400
or you will be cited
for contempt!
Danny: Please, Your Honor.
1249
01:07:04,467 --> 01:07:06,033
Put me in jail!
Your Honor...
1250
01:07:06,100 --> 01:07:09,767
I've been in your jail,
I know what terrible places
they are.
1251
01:07:09,834 --> 01:07:12,133
Mom, you want to go to jail?
1252
01:07:12,200 --> 01:07:14,400
You wouldn't be able
to stand it, you know it.
1253
01:07:14,467 --> 01:07:17,567
Mrs.-- Mrs. McMartin!
You do not want to go
to jail!
1254
01:07:17,634 --> 01:07:19,601
Please, Your Honor.
1255
01:07:19,667 --> 01:07:22,868
I know how you feel,
but this is not the way.
1256
01:07:22,934 --> 01:07:25,901
Don't make things worse
for your family, please.
1257
01:07:33,434 --> 01:07:34,934
Gram?
1258
01:07:41,334 --> 01:07:43,634
Just go ahead
and sit down.
1259
01:07:50,701 --> 01:07:54,200
(phone rings)
1260
01:07:56,267 --> 01:07:59,667
Yeah?
Judy:
Malcolm's butt is red again.
1261
01:07:59,734 --> 01:08:02,033
Whoa. Who is this?
1262
01:08:02,100 --> 01:08:04,200
Judy?
1263
01:08:04,267 --> 01:08:07,334
What... what happened?
What? What? Is Malcolm okay?
1264
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:08,467
Judy:
He's all right for now.
1265
01:08:08,534 --> 01:08:10,868
But the dog's behind
is red, too.
1266
01:08:10,934 --> 01:08:14,133
And it's missing hair
there, too.
1267
01:08:14,200 --> 01:08:17,067
Judy, are you trying to tell me
1268
01:08:17,133 --> 01:08:19,400
that someone molested your dog?
1269
01:08:19,467 --> 01:08:23,267
Judy:
Yes. I think it was the Marine.
He's been following me.
1270
01:08:23,334 --> 01:08:24,767
He's going to kill us,
I know it!
Judy!
1271
01:08:24,834 --> 01:08:27,167
What the hell
are you talking about?
1272
01:08:27,234 --> 01:08:31,968
Did you ever read the note she
wrote describing what happened?
1273
01:08:32,033 --> 01:08:34,968
"Malcolm was hurt by a lion.
1274
01:08:35,033 --> 01:08:38,133
There was a baby,
the head was chopped open
and the brains were burned.
1275
01:08:38,200 --> 01:08:41,334
Malcolm had to drink
the baby's blood."
1276
01:08:42,634 --> 01:08:44,701
Did the defense
get this note?
1277
01:08:44,767 --> 01:08:47,400
I assume Rubin
sent it over.
1278
01:08:47,467 --> 01:08:49,100
Then we're off the hook,
'cause I sure as hell
1279
01:08:49,167 --> 01:08:51,567
don't have time
to butt heads with her.
1280
01:08:53,300 --> 01:08:55,367
Danny:
At the cemetery,
you were forced
1281
01:08:55,434 --> 01:08:58,067
to dig up the bodies
of dead people?
1282
01:08:58,133 --> 01:08:59,701
Yes.
1283
01:08:59,767 --> 01:09:01,467
Danny:
And did the teachers
give the kids shovels
1284
01:09:01,534 --> 01:09:04,567
to dig up the bodies?
Yes.
1285
01:09:04,634 --> 01:09:06,567
Danny:
Permission to approach,
Your Honor.
1286
01:09:09,033 --> 01:09:10,968
Now...
1287
01:09:11,033 --> 01:09:14,634
these are pictures of some men
with numbers under them, right?
1288
01:09:14,701 --> 01:09:17,467
Yes.
Look at these very carefully,
Aaron,
1289
01:09:17,534 --> 01:09:20,400
and if you see any
of the men who went
with you to the cemetery,
1290
01:09:20,467 --> 01:09:24,667
draw a circle
around their pictures
with the red pencil.
1291
01:09:44,100 --> 01:09:46,100
Okay?
1292
01:09:46,167 --> 01:09:48,934
Your Honor, I would like
to indicate, for the record,
that Aaron has identified
1293
01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:53,567
city attorney James Hahn
and actor Chuck Norris.
1294
01:09:53,634 --> 01:09:57,133
(murmuring)
Thank you.
1295
01:09:59,567 --> 01:10:03,901
(theme music plays)
1296
01:10:03,968 --> 01:10:06,767
Announcer:
This is ABC News Nightline.
1297
01:10:06,834 --> 01:10:09,534
Reporting from Washington,
Ted Koppel.
1298
01:10:09,601 --> 01:10:12,834
Joining us now,
live in our Los Angeles bureau,
is Daniel Davis,
1299
01:10:12,901 --> 01:10:14,801
who is defense attorney
for Raymond Buckey,
1300
01:10:14,868 --> 01:10:17,033
one of the defendants
in the McMartin case.
1301
01:10:17,100 --> 01:10:21,100
Mr. Davis, I understand
that your first responsibility
is to your client
1302
01:10:21,167 --> 01:10:24,100
and to come up
with the best defense
you possibly can for him.
1303
01:10:24,167 --> 01:10:27,200
But it doesn't sound as though
you're taking any prisoners
1304
01:10:27,267 --> 01:10:30,500
among your six
and seven-year-old witnesses.
1305
01:10:30,567 --> 01:10:33,901
My client is in jail
at this moment without bail
1306
01:10:33,968 --> 01:10:35,334
because of the statements
of these children.
1307
01:10:35,400 --> 01:10:36,868
That's good.
1308
01:10:36,934 --> 01:10:39,133
Koppel:
Is it necessary to be
quite that tough with them?
1309
01:10:39,200 --> 01:10:43,067
Mr. Buckey is being held,
an innocent man without bail...
1310
01:10:43,133 --> 01:10:45,534
Doesn't this frighten you?
What?
1311
01:10:45,601 --> 01:10:48,234
You're getting to be
as much despised
as the McMartins.
1312
01:10:48,300 --> 01:10:51,100
Maybe even more.
Thanks for sharing.
1313
01:10:51,167 --> 01:10:53,500
Yeah, it frightens me.
This case is a nightmare.
1314
01:10:53,567 --> 01:10:56,133
They got the train
on the tracks, it's rolling,
it's winning them votes
1315
01:10:56,200 --> 01:10:59,400
and sound bites, but nobody's
willing to put on their brakes.
Of course it frightens me.
1316
01:10:59,467 --> 01:11:03,133
Big train, fast track?
I mean, what, you make it
sound like it's so exciting!
1317
01:11:03,200 --> 01:11:04,534
But it's not!
It's taking you nowhere!
1318
01:11:04,601 --> 01:11:07,234
Why are you doing this?
Look, just get out
of this case.
1319
01:11:07,300 --> 01:11:09,167
It's gonna cost you
your career.
Are you kidding?
1320
01:11:09,234 --> 01:11:10,801
This case is why guys
go to law school.
1321
01:11:10,868 --> 01:11:12,434
This case is about justice.
1322
01:11:12,500 --> 01:11:14,601
Oh, come on.
(turns volume down)
1323
01:11:14,667 --> 01:11:16,734
Give me a break.
Hey! I'm--
1324
01:11:16,801 --> 01:11:19,968
This case is just as scummy
as all the others,
even scummier!
1325
01:11:20,033 --> 01:11:22,868
And, and you know what?
If you do win this case,
1326
01:11:22,934 --> 01:11:26,100
you're just gonna encourage
child abusers to think
that they can get away with it.
1327
01:11:26,167 --> 01:11:28,033
You know what?
You're just like
all the rest!
1328
01:11:28,100 --> 01:11:30,367
You are so wrong,
it's pathetic!
1329
01:11:30,434 --> 01:11:33,567
You know, you just say
the word "kids," and everybody
rushes to judgement.
1330
01:11:33,634 --> 01:11:36,200
Hang 'em, fry 'em,
just string them up
by their fingernails.
1331
01:11:36,267 --> 01:11:39,367
How come everybody in America
knows these people are guilty?
1332
01:11:39,434 --> 01:11:41,901
What about the facts?
What about the fucking facts?!
1333
01:11:41,968 --> 01:11:44,267
If you're so sure you're right,
then why are you yelling?
1334
01:11:44,334 --> 01:11:47,100
Because I didn't grow up
with the advantages
you grew up with. Okay?
1335
01:11:47,167 --> 01:11:50,300
I grew up in a slum
where everybody called
a spade a goddamn shovel.
1336
01:11:50,367 --> 01:11:52,734
I'm not a club type of lawyer.
I'm just a hack.
1337
01:11:52,801 --> 01:11:54,434
Yeah, and maybe I'm part
of what's fucking up the system,
1338
01:11:54,500 --> 01:11:56,200
because the system is fucked up
1339
01:11:56,267 --> 01:11:57,801
and everybody should
know about it.
1340
01:11:57,868 --> 01:11:59,834
You know what's basically
at stake here?
1341
01:11:59,901 --> 01:12:01,767
It's called the rule of law.
1342
01:12:01,834 --> 01:12:04,067
And I happen to like it!
1343
01:12:05,701 --> 01:12:07,767
Judy?
1344
01:12:10,934 --> 01:12:12,801
Get off my land,
this is sacred property!
1345
01:12:12,868 --> 01:12:15,367
Judy?
1346
01:12:15,434 --> 01:12:17,701
It's me, Steve.
1347
01:12:19,100 --> 01:12:20,300
What are you doin'
with that thing?
1348
01:12:20,367 --> 01:12:21,567
Don't you touch my children!
1349
01:12:21,634 --> 01:12:22,701
Don't you touch my babies!
1350
01:12:22,767 --> 01:12:25,367
Or I'll kill you,
I'm Jesus Johnson.
1351
01:12:27,467 --> 01:12:30,200
Doctor:
She pulled out a 12-gauge
shotgun on her brother
1352
01:12:30,267 --> 01:12:33,267
because she thought he
was coming to kill her babies.
1353
01:12:33,334 --> 01:12:37,767
All she talks about
is how the neighbors are trying
to sexually molest her kids.
1354
01:12:37,834 --> 01:12:41,234
What is it?
Acute paranoid
schizophrenia.
1355
01:12:41,300 --> 01:12:42,634
And the drinking
doesn't help.
1356
01:12:42,701 --> 01:12:44,367
What do you mean,
the drinking?
1357
01:12:44,434 --> 01:12:47,868
She's been an alcoholic
for years.
Didn't you know that?
1358
01:12:50,067 --> 01:12:51,601
(moans)
1359
01:12:51,667 --> 01:12:54,634
Judge:
We'll recess for a late lunch.
1360
01:12:54,701 --> 01:12:57,534
Court will resume at 2:30.
1361
01:13:01,667 --> 01:13:04,767
Bailiff:
Let's go. Come on.
See you after lunch.
1362
01:13:04,834 --> 01:13:06,968
Time to go.
1363
01:13:07,033 --> 01:13:08,500
We're gonna go
through each one...
1364
01:13:08,567 --> 01:13:10,634
Come on. Let's go.
1365
01:13:10,701 --> 01:13:12,901
All right, easy.
Come on.
1366
01:13:12,968 --> 01:13:14,167
Okay, dear.
Bye, Mom.
1367
01:13:14,234 --> 01:13:16,000
See you later.
See you tomorrow, dear.
1368
01:13:16,067 --> 01:13:18,033
I'll be here, sweetheart.
I'll be here.
1369
01:13:18,100 --> 01:13:19,367
Bailiff:
Come on.
1370
01:13:19,434 --> 01:13:20,801
Don't forget
to take your medicine.
1371
01:13:20,868 --> 01:13:23,934
Come on. Let's go.
Don't push me so fast.
1372
01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:26,200
Come on. Let's go.
Please don't go so fast.
1373
01:13:26,267 --> 01:13:27,868
(screams)
Peggy!
1374
01:13:27,934 --> 01:13:29,734
Peggy Ann: Mom!
Virginia: Peggy!
1375
01:13:29,801 --> 01:13:32,267
What are they doing?
They're not doing
anything to her!
1376
01:13:32,334 --> 01:13:34,567
No, she's all right.
She just tripped. I saw it.
1377
01:13:34,634 --> 01:13:37,467
I saw it. She's okay.
I don't trust you!
1378
01:13:37,534 --> 01:13:40,067
I don't trust any of you!
She's gonna be okay.
1379
01:13:40,133 --> 01:13:42,434
All I've heard are lies!
1380
01:13:42,500 --> 01:13:45,734
Lies from the first day
in this courtroom!
1381
01:13:45,801 --> 01:13:47,167
Calm down. She's fine.
1382
01:13:47,234 --> 01:13:49,167
What's happened
to my daughter?
She just stumbled.
1383
01:14:02,767 --> 01:14:04,067
Hey, Faye.
Hey!
1384
01:14:04,133 --> 01:14:05,701
Can I buy you lunch?
Sure.
1385
01:14:05,767 --> 01:14:07,534
We were just going
to that Greek place.
1386
01:14:07,601 --> 01:14:10,500
They have pea soup today.
Okay.
1387
01:14:10,567 --> 01:14:14,200
Uh... I can, uh...
1388
01:14:14,267 --> 01:14:17,901
speak to you guys
off the record, right?
1389
01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:27,500
Danny: Whammo!
1390
01:14:27,567 --> 01:14:28,701
It's gotta be Glenn Stevens.
1391
01:14:28,767 --> 01:14:30,801
He's the only one
in that office with enough guts.
1392
01:14:30,868 --> 01:14:33,267
This is unbelievable.
1393
01:14:34,434 --> 01:14:35,567
Whoa!
1394
01:14:35,634 --> 01:14:37,400
Rubin: Are you really
naive enough
1395
01:14:37,467 --> 01:14:39,601
to think that
a reporter would keep it
1396
01:14:39,667 --> 01:14:42,934
off the record
that the DA's office
doubts its own case, Glenn?
1397
01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:45,200
And you did it anonymously?
1398
01:14:45,267 --> 01:14:47,000
Half the people
will think I did it!
1399
01:14:47,067 --> 01:14:49,234
This thing's gonna
follow my career forever.
1400
01:14:49,300 --> 01:14:52,634
How could you do it, Glenn? Why?
1401
01:14:52,701 --> 01:14:55,901
Because I think
they're innocent.
1402
01:14:55,968 --> 01:14:58,067
Don't you?
1403
01:14:58,133 --> 01:15:00,634
Come on, Christine.
Didn't it get to you?
1404
01:15:00,701 --> 01:15:03,234
What about what's right?
Wait a minute! Wait a minute!
1405
01:15:03,300 --> 01:15:06,367
Where does this sanctimonious
tone come from, my friend?
1406
01:15:06,434 --> 01:15:09,834
You don't know they're innocent.
You are a public prosecutor.
1407
01:15:09,901 --> 01:15:11,667
Your job is to see
that justice gets served.
1408
01:15:11,734 --> 01:15:13,601
For you to go behind
everybody's back like this
1409
01:15:13,667 --> 01:15:15,968
is unethical
and cowardly, period!
1410
01:15:19,667 --> 01:15:24,601
If it's any satisfaction to you,
I think you have sabotaged
this case beyond repair.
1411
01:15:24,667 --> 01:15:27,634
Well, if it's
any satisfaction to you,
1412
01:15:27,701 --> 01:15:31,467
I've sabotaged my career
beyond repair in order to do it.
1413
01:15:34,400 --> 01:15:38,634
You'll have my resignation,
on your desk, in the morning.
1414
01:15:45,667 --> 01:15:46,767
(door slams)
1415
01:15:46,834 --> 01:15:50,534
♪ ♪
(clamoring)
1416
01:15:52,801 --> 01:15:55,767
Reporters:
Mr. Reiner! Mr. Reiner!
1417
01:15:59,968 --> 01:16:04,434
I have been in conference
with my staff.
1418
01:16:04,500 --> 01:16:06,634
We've all come
to the same conclusion.
1419
01:16:06,701 --> 01:16:09,767
The evidence against five
in this case
1420
01:16:09,834 --> 01:16:13,801
is so incredibly weak,
it does not go beyond
mere accusation.
1421
01:16:13,868 --> 01:16:15,734
(reporters clamoring)
1422
01:16:15,801 --> 01:16:18,667
Reiner on TV:
We are dropping charges
1423
01:16:18,734 --> 01:16:22,000
against five of the defendants
in the McMartin case.
1424
01:16:22,067 --> 01:16:23,934
Yes!
Reiner:
On the other hand,
1425
01:16:24,000 --> 01:16:25,868
we have clear
and convincing evidence
1426
01:16:25,934 --> 01:16:28,267
that Ray Buckey
molested children.
1427
01:16:28,334 --> 01:16:31,033
(reporters clamoring)
1428
01:16:31,100 --> 01:16:33,667
Reiner:
There is equally clear
1429
01:16:33,734 --> 01:16:35,734
and equally convincing evidence
1430
01:16:35,801 --> 01:16:39,534
that his mother, Peggy Buckey,
was also involved.
1431
01:16:41,434 --> 01:16:44,000
Thank you.
(reporters clamoring)
1432
01:16:44,067 --> 01:16:45,934
Well, he let five go.
That's somethin'.
1433
01:16:46,000 --> 01:16:47,634
You gotta give him credit
for that.
Yeah, for what?
1434
01:16:47,701 --> 01:16:49,467
Tryin' to have it both ways?
He knows he can't get
1435
01:16:49,534 --> 01:16:51,334
a conviction with all seven,
but he can't let 'em go.
1436
01:16:51,400 --> 01:16:53,133
He knows that Ray and Peggy
have been kept in jail
1437
01:16:53,200 --> 01:16:54,934
all this time
without bail on his watch!
1438
01:16:55,000 --> 01:16:57,234
He's just looking for scapegoats
to cover his ass.
1439
01:16:57,300 --> 01:16:58,801
Reporter:
There is furious
reaction tonight
1440
01:16:58,868 --> 01:17:00,934
against the prosecution's
latest move
1441
01:17:01,000 --> 01:17:04,200
in the case that helped
center national attention
on the problems...
1442
01:17:04,267 --> 01:17:06,567
I'd like Ira Reiner
to go to the 300 victims
1443
01:17:06,634 --> 01:17:10,067
and explain why these people
who have hurt them
are allowed to go free.
1444
01:17:10,133 --> 01:17:13,334
Look... Look, look.
I would never get involved
in any vigilante activity,
1445
01:17:13,400 --> 01:17:15,968
but I wouldn't want to be one
of these defendants
walking the streets...
1446
01:17:16,033 --> 01:17:19,500
Where's Wayne Satz these days,
now that some of the shoes
are on the other foot?
1447
01:17:19,567 --> 01:17:21,601
Man:
...in our preschools
are molesting our kids!
1448
01:17:21,667 --> 01:17:23,067
That's a good question,
you know.
1449
01:17:26,167 --> 01:17:28,133
(knock on door)
Woman:
Come in.
1450
01:17:36,100 --> 01:17:39,801
(phone rings)
1451
01:17:39,868 --> 01:17:41,934
Thank you. Hello?
1452
01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:43,901
Man on phone:
Hello. This is long distance
for Wayne Satz.
1453
01:17:43,968 --> 01:17:46,601
Just a minute, please.
Honey!
1454
01:17:46,667 --> 01:17:49,968
Yeah?
It's for you,
long distance.
1455
01:17:50,033 --> 01:17:52,334
Man on phone:
Who is this? Is this Kee?
Who is it?
1456
01:17:52,400 --> 01:17:53,934
Who's calling?
1457
01:17:54,000 --> 01:17:56,234
Man on phone:
It's Chris Woodyard
of The Examiner.
1458
01:17:56,300 --> 01:17:58,934
Is Wayne there?
It's Chris Woodyard
of The Examiner.
1459
01:17:59,000 --> 01:18:01,334
Chris: Hello?
What'd you answer
the phone for?
1460
01:18:01,400 --> 01:18:03,868
Chris:
Anybody there? Hello?
1461
01:18:03,934 --> 01:18:07,734
Chris.
Chris:
Wayne?
1462
01:18:07,801 --> 01:18:08,801
Hi.
1463
01:18:08,868 --> 01:18:10,901
(dings)
1464
01:18:15,234 --> 01:18:18,067
Hi. What's up?
1465
01:18:18,133 --> 01:18:21,434
Man:
Been getting a little help
from "Deep Throat," Wayne?
1466
01:18:21,500 --> 01:18:23,634
What are you talkin' about?
The "puppet lady."
1467
01:18:23,701 --> 01:18:25,467
How long have you
been living with her?
1468
01:18:25,534 --> 01:18:27,868
What?
Conflict of interest.
1469
01:18:27,934 --> 01:18:30,534
Fucking the source
of a story. How long
have you been doing it?
1470
01:18:30,601 --> 01:18:33,300
No wonder you've gotten
so many exclusives, eh?
1471
01:18:33,367 --> 01:18:35,434
Now, I'm proud of my work
on this case.
1472
01:18:35,500 --> 01:18:37,934
I won a Peabody and two
Golden Mic awards for it.
1473
01:18:38,000 --> 01:18:40,801
So just maybe jealousy
might be a motive here. Huh?
1474
01:18:40,868 --> 01:18:42,367
Please!
You're a piece of shit, Wayne.
1475
01:18:42,434 --> 01:18:45,434
You're the reason
people hate the press.
1476
01:18:45,500 --> 01:18:47,434
We are gonna nail
your ass so bad--
1477
01:18:47,500 --> 01:18:51,267
You try it.
But you be careful
what you put on the air.
1478
01:18:51,334 --> 01:18:54,734
I'm not only a reporter,
I'm a lawyer, too, and there
are laws about these things.
1479
01:18:54,801 --> 01:18:58,234
You can't just say anything
you like on TV, you know?
1480
01:19:00,267 --> 01:19:03,434
(reporters clamoring)
1481
01:19:03,500 --> 01:19:06,133
Danny: I don't think you
have anything to worry about.
I think it'll be fair.
1482
01:19:06,200 --> 01:19:08,234
Just tell it like it is.
Tell the truth.
1483
01:19:08,300 --> 01:19:09,701
Everything will be okay.
1484
01:19:09,767 --> 01:19:11,601
I don't know why
I agreed to do this.
1485
01:19:11,667 --> 01:19:13,701
You look nice.
1486
01:19:14,834 --> 01:19:16,167
She looks pretty,
doesn't she?
1487
01:19:16,234 --> 01:19:18,334
You look really nice.
Mmm-hmmm.
1488
01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:21,067
Oh, yeah. Come on.
You look good.
1489
01:19:23,334 --> 01:19:25,300
Announcer:
This is "60 Minutes."
1490
01:19:25,367 --> 01:19:28,901
Well, during the time
that I was in jail,
1491
01:19:28,968 --> 01:19:33,234
the custody of my children
was taken away from me.
1492
01:19:33,300 --> 01:19:38,133
They were taken from the school
that we've placed them in.
1493
01:19:38,200 --> 01:19:40,601
They were arrested.
1494
01:19:42,100 --> 01:19:44,667
(sighs)
I don't know for what.
1495
01:19:44,734 --> 01:19:47,400
At that time,
my son was eight.
1496
01:19:47,467 --> 01:19:50,500
Along with everyone else,
1497
01:19:50,567 --> 01:19:53,367
I lost every material possession
I ever had.
1498
01:19:53,434 --> 01:19:55,667
I lost all my
teaching credentials,
1499
01:19:55,734 --> 01:19:57,801
which I had gone six years
of college to get.
1500
01:19:57,868 --> 01:20:01,567
In this country,
if you're accused,
you're guilty.
1501
01:20:01,634 --> 01:20:03,601
God help you if you've
got to prove you're innocent.
1502
01:20:03,667 --> 01:20:07,300
Fuckin' A, right.
That's the way we've been
treated from the first day.
1503
01:20:07,367 --> 01:20:10,267
Know who should
be made to watch this?
Ira Reiner.
1504
01:20:10,334 --> 01:20:12,534
I could talk all day long...
Ira Reiner should
be made to watch this.
1505
01:20:12,601 --> 01:20:14,133
You gonna
get him on camera?
1506
01:20:14,200 --> 01:20:18,300
Virginia McMartin,
Betty Raidor, Mary Ann Jackson,
1507
01:20:18,367 --> 01:20:20,801
Peggy Ann Buckey,
their homes,
1508
01:20:20,868 --> 01:20:22,734
their money,
their honor.
1509
01:20:22,801 --> 01:20:25,033
Everything gone.
Deserved?
1510
01:20:25,100 --> 01:20:27,434
No, of course not.
1511
01:20:27,500 --> 01:20:29,367
So who do these people go to,
to get their money back
1512
01:20:29,434 --> 01:20:31,734
and their life back?
The county?
1513
01:20:31,801 --> 01:20:36,834
Your predecessor?
Children's Institute
International?
1514
01:20:36,901 --> 01:20:40,467
That's not the sort of question
I should be getting into.
1515
01:20:40,534 --> 01:20:42,701
Do you think you can get him
to grant bail for Peggy?
1516
01:20:42,767 --> 01:20:44,901
God, I hope so.
She's 62 years old.
1517
01:20:44,968 --> 01:20:46,701
They've kept her
for 18 months
without a trial.
1518
01:20:46,767 --> 01:20:49,534
It's unbelievable.
The trial itself will take
another year and a half.
1519
01:20:49,601 --> 01:20:52,667
They can't let this happen.
It'll be a scandal.
1520
01:20:55,534 --> 01:20:56,500
That's all?
1521
01:20:56,567 --> 01:20:57,701
This is it.
1522
01:20:57,767 --> 01:20:59,701
Leave it here.
1523
01:20:59,767 --> 01:21:01,467
I'll see what I can do.
1524
01:21:08,467 --> 01:21:11,133
♪ ♪
1525
01:21:11,200 --> 01:21:13,133
Peggy Ann:
You always used
to love to come here.
1526
01:21:13,200 --> 01:21:16,033
No. Peggy,
I wanna go home.
1527
01:21:16,100 --> 01:21:19,200
No. Mom, not back
to that little apartment.
1528
01:21:19,267 --> 01:21:21,467
Not yet. Please.
1529
01:21:21,534 --> 01:21:25,167
You haven't been outdoors
once since you got out.
1530
01:21:25,234 --> 01:21:27,167
Please.
1531
01:21:27,234 --> 01:21:30,267
I promise,
there's nothing
here to hurt you.
1532
01:21:30,334 --> 01:21:32,667
Okay? Come on.
1533
01:21:34,734 --> 01:21:37,200
We'll just take
a little walk. Okay?
1534
01:21:40,067 --> 01:21:44,267
There's nothin'
to be afraid of. It's just us.
I know.
1535
01:21:44,334 --> 01:21:49,100
Peggy:
I know. I know.
1536
01:21:50,734 --> 01:21:52,300
No, there's nothing
to be afraid of.
1537
01:21:52,367 --> 01:21:56,434
But I... I am afraid.
I'm so afraid.
1538
01:21:58,167 --> 01:22:00,000
I'm afraid they'll come
in the middle of the night
1539
01:22:00,067 --> 01:22:03,267
again and arrest me.
1540
01:22:03,334 --> 01:22:06,868
I mean, I know
I've done nothing wrong.
1541
01:22:06,934 --> 01:22:09,734
Why is this happening then?
1542
01:22:09,801 --> 01:22:13,767
It feels like God
is punishing me for something.
1543
01:22:13,834 --> 01:22:16,300
All I've ever known
is teaching children,
1544
01:22:16,367 --> 01:22:19,067
and I can never do that again.
1545
01:22:19,133 --> 01:22:22,801
Everything is... lost.
1546
01:22:22,868 --> 01:22:27,367
(chuckles sadly)
And you... your youth.
1547
01:22:27,434 --> 01:22:31,267
You never smile anymore
like you used to.
1548
01:22:31,334 --> 01:22:33,767
And Ray. Ray...
1549
01:22:33,834 --> 01:22:37,701
Ray's still in there.
I mean, how can he endure it?
1550
01:22:37,767 --> 01:22:39,968
He will endure it.
1551
01:22:40,033 --> 01:22:41,868
You did.
1552
01:22:43,500 --> 01:22:46,167
Yeah.
We all will.
1553
01:22:50,167 --> 01:22:53,968
(children laughing)
1554
01:22:54,033 --> 01:22:55,734
Come on.
1555
01:23:12,767 --> 01:23:14,968
Danny!anny!
1556
01:23:15,033 --> 01:23:16,567
Danny! Wait! Look! Look!
Look! I got somethin'!
1557
01:23:16,634 --> 01:23:17,868
Look! Look!
You gotta see this!
1558
01:23:17,934 --> 01:23:19,133
Uh, I think it
was September 21st...
1559
01:23:19,200 --> 01:23:21,167
Danny, look at this!
Superior Court 1962.
1560
01:23:21,234 --> 01:23:22,367
I mean, right now.
Look. Look.
1561
01:23:22,434 --> 01:23:24,567
It came my way last night.
1562
01:23:26,834 --> 01:23:29,133
Where'd you get this?
Stevens?
1563
01:23:34,834 --> 01:23:35,801
Holy shit.
1564
01:23:35,868 --> 01:23:38,634
Mr. Davis, can I help you?
No.
1565
01:23:38,701 --> 01:23:40,334
Sir.
1566
01:23:40,400 --> 01:23:42,033
The Judy Johnson discovery.
1567
01:23:42,100 --> 01:23:43,734
Would we have a trial if I
had this to present in court?!
1568
01:23:43,801 --> 01:23:45,300
Don't walk in here
without an appointment.
1569
01:23:45,367 --> 01:23:47,734
I don't fucking think so!
And you don't swear at me.
1570
01:23:47,801 --> 01:23:48,767
Judy Johnson.
Who the hell...
1571
01:23:48,834 --> 01:23:50,234
You knew she was nuts!
1572
01:23:50,300 --> 01:23:51,567
She's the main accuser
in your case,
1573
01:23:51,634 --> 01:23:53,434
and you knew she
was a fucking banana!
1574
01:23:53,500 --> 01:23:57,467
Do not shout at me.
Who the hell
do you think you are?!
1575
01:23:57,534 --> 01:23:59,434
Why didn't
I get this before?!
1576
01:23:59,500 --> 01:24:01,467
Who do you think you're
talking to here, Mr. Davis?
1577
01:24:01,534 --> 01:24:03,767
Are you expecting me
to be personally responsible
1578
01:24:03,834 --> 01:24:05,934
for every piece of evidence
that comes down the pike?
Yes, I am!
1579
01:24:06,000 --> 01:24:08,267
It was not my job
to get it to you.
It is your job!
1580
01:24:08,334 --> 01:24:10,767
You received a summary!
You could have followed up!
1581
01:24:10,834 --> 01:24:12,701
Bullshit!
Why don't you take care
of your side of this?!
1582
01:24:12,767 --> 01:24:14,834
Bullshit! Your back's
against the wall
and you know it.
1583
01:24:14,901 --> 01:24:17,400
Why didn't you file charges
against Judy Johnson's husband?
1584
01:24:17,467 --> 01:24:19,300
She accused him
of molesting Malcolm.
1585
01:24:19,367 --> 01:24:21,267
The same woman
who accused my clients!
1586
01:24:21,334 --> 01:24:23,167
You don't see a problem
that I didn't get to see this?
1587
01:24:23,234 --> 01:24:24,300
Yes, I see a problem.
Thank you.
1588
01:24:24,367 --> 01:24:26,667
It's not my problem.
It is your problem.
1589
01:24:26,734 --> 01:24:28,767
I don't know why you
didn't get it.
1590
01:24:28,834 --> 01:24:31,534
As for Judy Johnson,
she only accused her husband
1591
01:24:31,601 --> 01:24:33,467
after she became unstable.
1592
01:24:33,534 --> 01:24:35,133
She became unstable
after what happened
to her son.
1593
01:24:35,200 --> 01:24:38,534
After damages inflicted
on him by your client!
Wow.
1594
01:24:38,601 --> 01:24:40,534
Who are you?
Where did you come from?
1595
01:24:40,601 --> 01:24:42,601
Did you read this thing?!
1596
01:24:42,667 --> 01:24:44,734
Did you?!
1597
01:24:44,801 --> 01:24:46,801
You didn't press charges
against Judy Johnson's husband
1598
01:24:46,868 --> 01:24:48,500
because you didn't want it
to mess up your nice,
1599
01:24:48,567 --> 01:24:51,167
neat witch hunt
against my clients!
1600
01:24:52,868 --> 01:24:55,067
Fine!
1601
01:24:55,133 --> 01:24:57,534
You know what I'm
gonna do about this?
1602
01:24:57,601 --> 01:24:58,834
I'm going to the judge.
1603
01:24:58,901 --> 01:25:00,500
I'm gonna ask him
to recuse you
1604
01:25:00,567 --> 01:25:02,167
and the entire
district attorney's office
1605
01:25:02,234 --> 01:25:04,701
for prosecutorial misconduct!
1606
01:25:09,534 --> 01:25:12,067
Judge:
I have seldom seen
anything as explosive
1607
01:25:12,133 --> 01:25:14,634
as this handwritten letter
from Judy Johnson
1608
01:25:14,701 --> 01:25:18,500
that was allegedly not passed
onto the defense.
1609
01:25:18,567 --> 01:25:21,300
The prosecution maintains
that they only sent over
1610
01:25:21,367 --> 01:25:23,267
a typed-written summary
of this evidence earlier
1611
01:25:23,334 --> 01:25:24,667
because they were overwhelmed
1612
01:25:24,734 --> 01:25:27,801
by the sheer volume
of the material.
1613
01:25:27,868 --> 01:25:30,267
I accept this explanation,
1614
01:25:30,334 --> 01:25:32,901
and am therefore going
to dismiss the charges
1615
01:25:32,968 --> 01:25:34,534
of prosecutorial misconduct.
1616
01:25:34,601 --> 01:25:38,534
However, the court does
grant the defense's request
1617
01:25:38,601 --> 01:25:42,067
to examine Mrs. Johnson.
1618
01:25:42,133 --> 01:25:44,100
Clearly,
she is a crucial witness.
1619
01:25:44,167 --> 01:25:48,000
(police radio chatter)
1620
01:25:50,767 --> 01:25:53,300
Roger. We're at location. Over.
1621
01:25:55,100 --> 01:25:57,467
Rubin:
Everyday she heard herselfbeing ridiculed
1622
01:25:57,534 --> 01:26:00,033
and ripped apart
by Mr. Davis on the news.
1623
01:26:00,100 --> 01:26:01,434
I would hope
the defense attorneys
1624
01:26:01,500 --> 01:26:03,400
are now beginning
to regret their comments.
1625
01:26:03,467 --> 01:26:05,968
Danny:
There's nothing beneaththe prosecution, is there?
1626
01:26:06,033 --> 01:26:07,400
The body's not even cold yet.
1627
01:26:07,467 --> 01:26:08,367
Rubin:
How do you think she felt
1628
01:26:08,434 --> 01:26:10,434
reading everyday
in the newspapers
1629
01:26:10,500 --> 01:26:13,133
that this case was spawned
by a madwoman?
1630
01:26:13,200 --> 01:26:15,434
(all clamoring)
It is...
1631
01:26:15,500 --> 01:26:18,801
It is... it is commendable
of the prosecution
1632
01:26:18,868 --> 01:26:21,400
to have such compassion
for Mrs. Johnson
now that she's dead.
1633
01:26:21,467 --> 01:26:23,500
Reporter: But did they know it?
But they knew
from the beginning
1634
01:26:23,567 --> 01:26:25,801
that she was mentally ill.
But they did not
suggest she be helped,
1635
01:26:25,868 --> 01:26:28,667
because they were afraid
the defense might
find out about it.
1636
01:26:28,734 --> 01:26:31,300
(reporters clamoring)
Thanks... Thanks to the defense,
1637
01:26:31,367 --> 01:26:32,868
this woman has suffered
more in a few weeks
1638
01:26:32,934 --> 01:26:34,834
than most of us
suffer in a lifetime.
1639
01:26:34,901 --> 01:26:37,334
Danny: Not as much as...
And... and... and I tell you,
1640
01:26:37,400 --> 01:26:39,868
there but for the grace of God,
go you and I.
1641
01:26:39,934 --> 01:26:42,400
(reporters clamoring)
Reporter:
Police investigators say
1642
01:26:42,467 --> 01:26:44,367
they believe
Judy Johnson's death
1643
01:26:44,434 --> 01:26:47,567
was a result of
an accidental alcohol overdose.
1644
01:26:47,634 --> 01:26:50,834
Mrs. Johnson was a key figure
in the McMartin case,
1645
01:26:50,901 --> 01:26:53,701
and it was her allegations
that lead to the first charges
1646
01:26:53,767 --> 01:26:56,400
being filed
against Raymond Buckey...
1647
01:26:56,467 --> 01:26:57,601
Ta-da!
1648
01:26:57,667 --> 01:26:59,868
I know you like to think
of yourself as an athlete,
1649
01:26:59,934 --> 01:27:02,634
so let's see how many miles
you can ride
on this thing everyday.
1650
01:27:02,701 --> 01:27:05,000
Judy Johnson's dead.
1651
01:27:05,067 --> 01:27:07,100
I know, Ray.
And it's too bad.
1652
01:27:07,167 --> 01:27:08,801
But we don't need her.
Thanks, boys.
1653
01:27:08,868 --> 01:27:10,801
We don't need her?
She was the whole case.
1654
01:27:10,868 --> 01:27:12,133
Thanks.
Now she's dead.
1655
01:27:12,200 --> 01:27:14,601
I can't take this anymore,
Danny.
You're gonna have to.
1656
01:27:14,667 --> 01:27:17,834
Every night, I lie in my bed
in that tiny little cell
1657
01:27:17,901 --> 01:27:19,834
and my mind whirls
around and around.
1658
01:27:19,901 --> 01:27:22,567
Why shouldn't I just put
a plastic bag over my head,
1659
01:27:22,634 --> 01:27:24,467
or slit my wrists,
or have someone else
1660
01:27:24,534 --> 01:27:27,334
jam a shank through my ear?
What am I hangin' around for?
1661
01:27:27,400 --> 01:27:30,300
To listen to these kids rip
the skin off of me?
1662
01:27:30,367 --> 01:27:33,200
Watch my family
get humiliated? Watch them
lose everything they had?
1663
01:27:33,267 --> 01:27:35,667
They hate me, Danny!
I'm like Freddy Krueger
to these people!
1664
01:27:35,734 --> 01:27:37,200
(guard tapping on window)
I'm Charles Manson!
1665
01:27:37,267 --> 01:27:39,367
I mean, they use my name
to scare their little kids
1666
01:27:39,434 --> 01:27:41,934
before they go to sleep!
1667
01:27:43,367 --> 01:27:44,367
You're right.
1668
01:27:44,434 --> 01:27:46,868
I'll never lie to you, Ray.
1669
01:27:46,934 --> 01:27:49,267
They do hate you.
1670
01:27:49,334 --> 01:27:50,901
But we're gonna make them
hate someone else.
1671
01:27:50,968 --> 01:27:53,467
We're gonna make the jury
hate someone else.
1672
01:27:53,534 --> 01:27:55,868
What are you talkin' about?
Lael Rubin.
1673
01:27:55,934 --> 01:27:57,634
What do you think your case
is gonna be, Ray?
1674
01:27:57,701 --> 01:27:59,767
I'll tell ya.
She's gonna make a big deal
1675
01:27:59,834 --> 01:28:01,734
out of the fact
that you had a picture
from a skin magazine
1676
01:28:01,801 --> 01:28:04,067
as proof
that you molest children.
1677
01:28:04,133 --> 01:28:05,467
She's gonna show
that you're a bad guy
1678
01:28:05,534 --> 01:28:07,400
because sometimes you forget
to wear your BVDs.
1679
01:28:07,467 --> 01:28:09,067
She's gonna make the fact
that you aren't chasing
1680
01:28:09,133 --> 01:28:12,000
everything in a skirt
prove that you are
chasin' five-year-olds.
1681
01:28:12,067 --> 01:28:14,133
What do you think
is gonna happen when
she shows up in court
1682
01:28:14,200 --> 01:28:16,868
with this flimsy rag
of a case?
1683
01:28:16,934 --> 01:28:19,400
Everyone is gonna see
the emperor's new clothes.
1684
01:28:19,467 --> 01:28:22,801
They're gonna see through
the innuendos and the bullshit
and the stories.
1685
01:28:22,868 --> 01:28:24,634
And they're gonna see
that if somebody is on trial
1686
01:28:24,701 --> 01:28:26,934
for screwing people,
1687
01:28:27,000 --> 01:28:29,400
maybe it shouldn't
be Ray Buckey.
1688
01:28:31,567 --> 01:28:32,968
Okay?
1689
01:28:33,033 --> 01:28:34,534
Now, son, I want you
to get your ass on this bike
1690
01:28:34,601 --> 01:28:36,534
and see how many miles
you can clock.
1691
01:28:36,601 --> 01:28:39,801
Or you can let
Lael Rubin and Kee McFarlane
1692
01:28:39,868 --> 01:28:43,500
dance all over your grave!
1693
01:28:43,567 --> 01:28:45,934
Ta-da!
1694
01:28:48,000 --> 01:28:49,267
Come on, son.
1695
01:28:49,334 --> 01:28:51,167
♪ ♪
1696
01:28:52,634 --> 01:28:55,167
Reporter:
Today, nearly four years
after the first arrest
1697
01:28:55,234 --> 01:28:57,567
in the McMartin Preschool
molestation case,
1698
01:28:57,634 --> 01:29:02,100
defendants Raymond Buckey,
and his mother,
Peggy McMartin Buckey,
1699
01:29:02,167 --> 01:29:06,467
will finally go on trial
before a jury of eight men
and four women.
1700
01:29:08,234 --> 01:29:11,000
Rubin:
Mr. Freeman, did Raymond
Buckey confess to you
1701
01:29:11,067 --> 01:29:13,534
that he had sex with children?
1702
01:29:13,601 --> 01:29:16,000
He said he sexually
assaulted children.
1703
01:29:16,067 --> 01:29:20,000
Will you tell us
the words he used?
You want me to?
1704
01:29:20,067 --> 01:29:21,901
Yes.
1705
01:29:21,968 --> 01:29:25,033
Well, he said he, uh,
he fucked a two-year-old boy
in the butt.
1706
01:29:25,100 --> 01:29:26,868
(courtroom murmuring)
1707
01:29:30,033 --> 01:29:33,234
Did the defendant say
what he used when he
1708
01:29:33,300 --> 01:29:36,367
"fucked this
two-year-old boy,"
to use his words?
1709
01:29:36,434 --> 01:29:38,634
Freeman:
He said he usually
used baby oil and K-Y Jelly.
1710
01:29:38,701 --> 01:29:42,367
Rubin:
Mm-hm. Did the defendant
say that anything happened
1711
01:29:42,434 --> 01:29:45,567
when he used the K-Y
or the baby oil?
1712
01:29:45,634 --> 01:29:48,868
Freeman:
Yeah. He said if he didn't
use baby oil that, uh,
1713
01:29:48,934 --> 01:29:50,300
the boy bled.
1714
01:29:50,367 --> 01:29:53,367
Ah, Mr. Davis. It seems
we have a bit of a problem.
1715
01:29:53,434 --> 01:29:55,167
What is that, Your Honor?
1716
01:29:55,234 --> 01:29:59,467
I wanted us to meet
because I think Mr. Freeman
should have an attorney.
1717
01:29:59,534 --> 01:30:03,200
He told me that he committed
perjury in other cases.
1718
01:30:03,267 --> 01:30:05,300
When did he tell you this?
Three weeks ago.
1719
01:30:05,367 --> 01:30:07,834
You're telling me that
you knew before Freeman
got on the stand
1720
01:30:07,901 --> 01:30:09,200
that he'd perjured himself,
1721
01:30:09,267 --> 01:30:11,334
and you let him testify
without informing the court?!
1722
01:30:11,400 --> 01:30:13,868
To be honest with you,
I hadn't considered the fact
1723
01:30:13,934 --> 01:30:16,200
that he might need
an attorney until now.
(scoffs)
1724
01:30:16,267 --> 01:30:19,133
You know we face
giving him immunity
or calling a mistrial?
1725
01:30:19,200 --> 01:30:21,100
Both: Call a mistrial!
You can't let this happen.
1726
01:30:21,167 --> 01:30:23,200
Do you know how much the state
has spent on this case so far?
1727
01:30:23,267 --> 01:30:24,467
I don't give a damn
how much it cost!
1728
01:30:24,534 --> 01:30:26,734
It's a mistrial!
This is outrageous!
1729
01:30:26,801 --> 01:30:30,567
You may not give a damn,
but I do and the people
of Los Angeles do.
1730
01:30:30,634 --> 01:30:33,100
Your Honor...
It is my view
that Mr. Freeman must testify.
1731
01:30:33,167 --> 01:30:35,267
And the only way to do that
is through immunity.
1732
01:30:35,334 --> 01:30:37,300
Miss Rubin
planned this all along.
1733
01:30:37,367 --> 01:30:40,367
Judge:
Mr. Davis,
my ruling will stand.
1734
01:30:42,767 --> 01:30:44,868
So, when Freeman came
to you with his problem,
what'd you say?
1735
01:30:44,934 --> 01:30:47,868
"Don't worry, George, get your
garbage in. I'll protect ya"?
1736
01:30:47,934 --> 01:30:49,701
I said nothing of the kind.
1737
01:30:49,767 --> 01:30:52,367
And let's not
go public with this, please.
1738
01:30:54,133 --> 01:30:56,934
The district attorney's office
and the judge are sayin'
to George Freeman,
1739
01:30:57,000 --> 01:30:59,500
"Go ahead, lie.
Perjure yourself.
You won't be prosecuted."
1740
01:30:59,567 --> 01:31:02,701
But there's one thing they
cannot grant him immunity on,
and that is murder!
1741
01:31:02,767 --> 01:31:04,367
Reporter:
Murder? George Freeman
committed a murder?
1742
01:31:04,434 --> 01:31:05,434
Why wasn't he indicted?
Why not?
1743
01:31:05,500 --> 01:31:06,934
Why do you think he
wasn't indicted?
1744
01:31:07,000 --> 01:31:09,367
Are you suggesting
a deal was made
not to indict Freeman
1745
01:31:09,434 --> 01:31:11,267
if he agreed to testify
against Ray Buckey?
1746
01:31:11,334 --> 01:31:13,434
I'm not suggesting anything.
You draw your own conclusions.
1747
01:31:13,500 --> 01:31:15,567
But George Freeman
is the prosecution's
super-duper,
1748
01:31:15,634 --> 01:31:18,300
whopper jumbo
cheeseburger deluxe
with extra special sauce!
1749
01:31:18,367 --> 01:31:20,400
Now, either you swallow it,
or you have a delicate stomach
1750
01:31:20,467 --> 01:31:22,133
and it smells bad,
you don't go near it.
1751
01:31:22,200 --> 01:31:24,033
It doesn't make any difference
because before this is over,
1752
01:31:24,100 --> 01:31:26,167
I am gonna convict
George Freeman
of that murder!
1753
01:31:26,234 --> 01:31:29,834
Thank you.
No more questions.
(all clamoring)
1754
01:31:29,901 --> 01:31:32,701
You don't have anything
on this murder, do you?
Not a thing, are you kiddin'?
1755
01:31:32,767 --> 01:31:36,500
The star witness
in the McMartin molestation
trial, George Freeman,
1756
01:31:36,567 --> 01:31:39,734
was arrested this morning
when he failed
to show up in court.
1757
01:31:39,801 --> 01:31:42,000
Sheriff's deputies
tracked Freeman down here,
1758
01:31:42,067 --> 01:31:44,634
to his sister's house
in the San Fernando Valley,
1759
01:31:44,701 --> 01:31:46,200
where he had gone into hiding.
1760
01:31:46,267 --> 01:31:49,567
They found him squatting
behind a number of boxes
in the garage.
1761
01:31:49,634 --> 01:31:51,868
He surrendered to the deputies
without incident,
1762
01:31:51,934 --> 01:31:54,868
and is expected to appear
in court tomorrow morning.
1763
01:31:54,934 --> 01:31:57,000
Danny:
You're upset with me,
aren't you?
1764
01:31:57,067 --> 01:31:59,767
You know I am.
Did it disturb you,
what I said
1765
01:31:59,834 --> 01:32:03,701
about getting you
convicted of murder?
I don't care.
1766
01:32:03,767 --> 01:32:06,667
Mr. Freeman,
have you ever been convicted
1767
01:32:06,734 --> 01:32:10,267
of what might be called
"willful cruelty to children"?
1768
01:32:10,334 --> 01:32:13,500
Yeah.
Isn't it true
that you once
1769
01:32:13,567 --> 01:32:15,400
tied up your
mother and sister,
1770
01:32:15,467 --> 01:32:17,767
burglarized other parts
of the house,
1771
01:32:17,834 --> 01:32:19,500
and left them tied up?
1772
01:32:19,567 --> 01:32:22,067
Only God would know, right?
1773
01:32:22,133 --> 01:32:24,467
Right.
1774
01:32:24,534 --> 01:32:26,734
Mr. Freeman,
1775
01:32:26,801 --> 01:32:30,934
do you have any credibility,
in your own opinion?
1776
01:32:31,801 --> 01:32:33,400
No.
1777
01:32:35,067 --> 01:32:37,567
Well, that's all.
Thank you.
1778
01:32:40,801 --> 01:32:43,067
Danny:
Did you appear on a program
in which Wayne Satz announced
1779
01:32:43,133 --> 01:32:45,734
that 60 children
were making allegations
against Raymond Buckey
1780
01:32:45,801 --> 01:32:48,300
before the case had even gone
before the grand jury?
1781
01:32:48,367 --> 01:32:50,167
I believe I did.
1782
01:32:50,234 --> 01:32:51,734
Danny: Didn't it concern you
that you might be
1783
01:32:51,801 --> 01:32:54,767
compromising the investigation
of the case?
1784
01:32:54,834 --> 01:32:56,968
Yes, it did,
and I was very upset by it.
1785
01:32:57,033 --> 01:32:59,100
And I told Mr. Satz so.
1786
01:32:59,167 --> 01:33:01,434
You were so upset about it
that you moved in with him.
Is that right?
1787
01:33:01,500 --> 01:33:04,567
Objection, Your Honor.
Miss McFarlane's
intimate relations
1788
01:33:04,634 --> 01:33:07,367
are not an issue
in this trial.
Sustained.
1789
01:33:10,133 --> 01:33:13,234
Do you think you're qualified
to judge whether a child
has been molested or not?
1790
01:33:13,300 --> 01:33:16,500
Objection! Miss McFarlane
is not on trial here,
1791
01:33:16,567 --> 01:33:18,801
even if Mr. Davis would
like to put her on trial.
1792
01:33:18,868 --> 01:33:20,467
Danny:
What is Miss Rubin afraid of?
1793
01:33:20,534 --> 01:33:22,834
Miss McFarlane was touted
by the DA's office
1794
01:33:22,901 --> 01:33:25,000
as their expert witness,
going around the country
giving speeches.
1795
01:33:25,067 --> 01:33:28,868
What's happened all of
a sudden? Are you afraid
she won't pass muster?
1796
01:33:28,934 --> 01:33:31,500
Objection overruled.
1797
01:33:32,801 --> 01:33:34,334
Thank you, Your Honor.
Answer the question, please.
1798
01:33:34,400 --> 01:33:37,200
Do you think
you're qualified?
1799
01:33:37,267 --> 01:33:40,500
Since I've spent the majority
of my professional life
1800
01:33:40,567 --> 01:33:42,634
devoted to the subject,
I think so, yes.
1801
01:33:42,701 --> 01:33:45,934
What is your educational
background as far
as diagnosing children?
1802
01:33:46,000 --> 01:33:48,968
I have a Master's Degree
in social work from
the University of Maryland.
1803
01:33:49,033 --> 01:33:52,567
Did the curriculum include
any study in child abuse?
Yes.
1804
01:33:52,634 --> 01:33:54,634
Oh. What portion
dealt with that?
1805
01:33:54,701 --> 01:33:58,634
Well, it's a liberal arts
program with psychology,
1806
01:33:58,701 --> 01:34:01,901
sociology, and those
basic courses cover children.
1807
01:34:01,968 --> 01:34:05,968
Well, have you ever
treated children
in the psychiatric sense?
1808
01:34:06,033 --> 01:34:08,767
I don't understand
what you mean.
1809
01:34:08,834 --> 01:34:11,300
You know what psychiatric is.
Have you ever heard of that?
Psychiatric?
1810
01:34:11,367 --> 01:34:14,434
Objection. Would you
instruct Mr. Davis
1811
01:34:14,500 --> 01:34:15,801
to stop harassing the witness?
1812
01:34:15,868 --> 01:34:18,000
I think if this witness
doesn't know what
psychiatric means,
1813
01:34:18,067 --> 01:34:19,901
and she has presented
herself as an expert,
1814
01:34:19,968 --> 01:34:21,868
then the court ought to know
about that. Don't you think?
1815
01:34:21,934 --> 01:34:24,300
Objection overruled.
Thank you, Your Honor.
1816
01:34:24,367 --> 01:34:27,167
Answer the question, please.
Have you ever treated children
1817
01:34:27,234 --> 01:34:30,300
in a psychiatric sense?
No.
1818
01:34:30,367 --> 01:34:32,567
How have you treated them?
1819
01:34:32,634 --> 01:34:34,667
I've treated them
as a social worker.
1820
01:34:34,734 --> 01:34:37,734
You worked in Maryland
and New Jersey and California.
Is that right?
1821
01:34:37,801 --> 01:34:40,968
Yes.
Were you licensed
in New Jersey or Maryland?
1822
01:34:41,033 --> 01:34:42,100
Not licensed.
1823
01:34:42,167 --> 01:34:44,033
Are you licensed
in California?
No.
1824
01:34:44,100 --> 01:34:46,500
You are not licensed
to work as a therapist
1825
01:34:46,567 --> 01:34:49,334
or a social worker
in any state, are you?
1826
01:34:50,500 --> 01:34:53,067
That's correct.
Danny: Thank you.
1827
01:34:53,133 --> 01:34:56,534
Where'd you learn
these techniques that you
used with these children?
1828
01:34:56,601 --> 01:34:58,667
Kee:
From working with families
and attending virtually
1829
01:34:58,734 --> 01:35:01,334
every conference
on child abuse in the country.
1830
01:35:01,400 --> 01:35:04,634
I don't know of any library
that's more extensive
than my own on the subject.
1831
01:35:04,701 --> 01:35:06,667
Permission to approach
the witness, Your Honor.
1832
01:35:06,734 --> 01:35:08,734
And I would like to mark into
evidence defense exhibits...
1833
01:35:08,801 --> 01:35:11,467
KK-LL.
KK-LL.
1834
01:35:14,167 --> 01:35:15,267
Your Honor.
1835
01:35:16,701 --> 01:35:18,667
Thank you.
1836
01:35:22,934 --> 01:35:25,334
You use dolls like these?
Yes.
1837
01:35:25,400 --> 01:35:28,868
Why?
1838
01:35:28,934 --> 01:35:31,033
Kee:
To familiarize the children
with their body parts
1839
01:35:31,100 --> 01:35:33,834
so they're able
to talk about it.
1840
01:35:33,901 --> 01:35:36,634
It's very difficult for them
to say the words.
1841
01:35:36,701 --> 01:35:41,601
Some of them aren't
even able to articulate
what's happened to them.
1842
01:35:41,667 --> 01:35:45,167
How do you know anything
happened to them?
I made a determination.
1843
01:35:45,234 --> 01:35:47,934
Some of them were in your
office only a few minutes
1844
01:35:48,000 --> 01:35:51,000
before you undressed
these dolls.
How could you tell?
1845
01:35:51,067 --> 01:35:52,667
By the way they were acting.
1846
01:35:52,734 --> 01:35:54,267
By their not wanting
to talk about it.
1847
01:35:54,334 --> 01:35:56,567
Did it ever occur to you
that they didn't talk about it
1848
01:35:56,634 --> 01:35:59,667
because nothing happened?
Something happened
to them, Mr. Davis.
1849
01:35:59,734 --> 01:36:02,334
You used different dolls
to represent the teachers,
did you not?
1850
01:36:02,400 --> 01:36:05,300
Yes.
Did you choose black dolls
1851
01:36:05,367 --> 01:36:07,667
to represent Raymond Buckey,
Miss McFarlane?
1852
01:36:07,734 --> 01:36:11,701
The children pick the dolls.
1853
01:36:11,767 --> 01:36:14,300
Your Honor, I would like
to present into evidence
1854
01:36:14,367 --> 01:36:18,834
sections of the video tape
made by Miss McFarlane
of the children.
1855
01:36:18,901 --> 01:36:21,868
Thank you. Thank you.
1856
01:36:25,033 --> 01:36:27,534
Kee on video:
Under their dresses
they have bloomers.
1857
01:36:27,601 --> 01:36:30,968
And the little boys have,
guess what, down here?
1858
01:36:33,601 --> 01:36:35,801
A real looking penis.
1859
01:36:36,734 --> 01:36:38,400
Now, which doll do you think
1860
01:36:38,467 --> 01:36:41,901
would be good for Ray?
Girl:
I don't know.
1861
01:36:43,534 --> 01:36:47,667
Okay, how about...
this one.
1862
01:36:49,734 --> 01:36:50,934
Okay?
1863
01:36:55,567 --> 01:36:57,601
What I like is their hair.
1864
01:36:57,667 --> 01:36:59,667
Even though it doesn't really
look like real hair. Does it?
1865
01:36:59,734 --> 01:37:01,234
Girl:
It's fuzzy.
1866
01:37:01,300 --> 01:37:03,934
Look! He's got a little hair
1867
01:37:04,000 --> 01:37:06,400
on his great big ugly penis!
1868
01:37:06,467 --> 01:37:10,534
Were you trying to teach these
children a little
bit of racism?
1869
01:37:10,601 --> 01:37:13,300
I don't associate
the use of dolls
of different color
1870
01:37:13,367 --> 01:37:14,367
with racism.
1871
01:37:14,434 --> 01:37:15,767
You weren't tryin'
to make them think
1872
01:37:15,834 --> 01:37:18,033
that Ray Buckey
was a bad man, were you?
1873
01:37:18,100 --> 01:37:21,968
I don't perceive a black doll
as inherently having
a negative characteristic.
1874
01:37:22,033 --> 01:37:24,434
How about when you remove
the doll's pants and add,
1875
01:37:24,500 --> 01:37:27,934
"Oh, he has hair
on his great,"
1876
01:37:28,000 --> 01:37:30,300
"big, ugly penis?"
1877
01:37:30,367 --> 01:37:33,434
I commented
about all of the dolls.
1878
01:37:33,500 --> 01:37:37,300
I was trying to let them know
I was the kind of person
they could say anything to.
1879
01:37:38,334 --> 01:37:40,067
And who is this?
1880
01:37:40,133 --> 01:37:44,033
Miss Peggy.
Miss Peggy.
1881
01:37:44,100 --> 01:37:47,534
Now, doesn't she have
funny looking boobies?
1882
01:37:49,334 --> 01:37:51,934
Look at these little
hard things that stick out.
1883
01:37:52,000 --> 01:37:54,767
Have you ever seen boobies
with these lines in them?
1884
01:37:58,267 --> 01:38:02,100
Some of the kids
at school told me that
her real name is Miss Piggy,
1885
01:38:02,167 --> 01:38:06,167
'cause she's kinda fat.
Is that true?
1886
01:38:06,234 --> 01:38:09,300
Why do you call her Miss Piggy
instead of Miss Peggy?
1887
01:38:09,367 --> 01:38:12,601
What do you mean
when you talk about
her boobs with lines?
1888
01:38:12,667 --> 01:38:15,400
I don't think you
understand how frightened
these children were.
1889
01:38:15,467 --> 01:38:20,801
An attempt to jog
their memories, sort out
which teacher was which.
1890
01:38:23,100 --> 01:38:25,901
All right, Mr. Monkey,
are you gonna be stupid
1891
01:38:26,000 --> 01:38:29,534
or are you gonna be smart
and help us out here?
1892
01:38:29,601 --> 01:38:33,334
'Cause some people
think you're stupid,
Mr. Monkey.
1893
01:38:33,400 --> 01:38:37,300
Well, I'll be smart.
You will?
1894
01:38:37,367 --> 01:38:42,267
Mmm-hmm.
Okay.
1895
01:38:42,334 --> 01:38:43,968
Monkey's a chicken,
1896
01:38:44,033 --> 01:38:46,534
and he can't remember
any of the naked games.
1897
01:38:46,601 --> 01:38:51,434
But we think that we know
a game that Mr. Monkey
remembers.
1898
01:38:51,500 --> 01:38:54,033
It's the naked
movie star game.
1899
01:38:54,100 --> 01:38:58,767
Do you remember that game?
Or is your memory too bad?
1900
01:38:58,834 --> 01:39:02,334
Danny:
You told Sam
that he was stupid,
1901
01:39:02,400 --> 01:39:04,167
and that he was a chicken,
1902
01:39:04,234 --> 01:39:06,634
and that his memory
was too bad.
Is that right?
1903
01:39:06,701 --> 01:39:09,033
I was talking
to the puppet.
1904
01:39:09,100 --> 01:39:11,934
You don't think little Sam
thought you were
calling him dumb?
1905
01:39:12,000 --> 01:39:14,934
If I believed that, Mr. Davis,
I wouldn't have said it.
1906
01:39:18,133 --> 01:39:21,834
Now what the other kids did
is they took this doll of Ray
1907
01:39:21,901 --> 01:39:24,234
and they started...
like that.
1908
01:39:24,300 --> 01:39:25,968
(banging)
1909
01:39:26,033 --> 01:39:29,434
Wanna punch him
like the other kids did?
1910
01:39:29,500 --> 01:39:31,367
Go ahead.
1911
01:39:32,868 --> 01:39:34,834
That's it.
(banging)
1912
01:39:34,901 --> 01:39:37,434
Good for you.
Good for you.
1913
01:39:37,500 --> 01:39:41,868
You wanna punch him?
Go ahead.
1914
01:39:41,934 --> 01:39:44,801
Why did you encourage her
to beat the doll
1915
01:39:44,868 --> 01:39:46,033
that was supposed
to represent Ray?
1916
01:39:46,100 --> 01:39:48,033
Don't you think
this kind of thing
1917
01:39:48,100 --> 01:39:50,901
leads the children
to believe that he
was a bad man?
1918
01:39:50,968 --> 01:39:53,334
Not at all.
It was therapy.
1919
01:39:53,400 --> 01:39:55,133
It's best that they let
their anger out,
1920
01:39:55,200 --> 01:39:58,968
rather than keeping it
bottled up inside
of themselves for years.
1921
01:39:59,033 --> 01:40:01,734
It can become a time bomb
if it's repressed.
1922
01:40:01,801 --> 01:40:05,400
Sandra Krebs, your assistant.
You taught her your
technique. Did you not?
1923
01:40:05,467 --> 01:40:07,734
Yes, I did.
And she was initially employed
1924
01:40:07,801 --> 01:40:10,667
as your video camera operator,
was she not?
1925
01:40:10,734 --> 01:40:14,534
You seem to give
a great priority to formal
education, Mr. Davis.
1926
01:40:14,601 --> 01:40:16,868
Miss McFarlane, this was,
in your words,
1927
01:40:16,934 --> 01:40:19,300
"One of the biggest
molestation cases"
1928
01:40:19,367 --> 01:40:22,467
"in the history of the world."
1929
01:40:22,534 --> 01:40:25,434
Why didn't you hire
the most experienced
person you could get?
1930
01:40:25,500 --> 01:40:28,667
Because some of them
wouldn't have had the courage
to do what had to be done.
1931
01:40:28,734 --> 01:40:32,734
What courage was that?
Simply to find
out the truth.
1932
01:40:34,467 --> 01:40:35,801
Remember all the times
1933
01:40:35,868 --> 01:40:38,534
your mom asked you
if anything happened?
1934
01:40:38,601 --> 01:40:43,534
159 times.
1935
01:40:43,601 --> 01:40:47,701
I know what we'll do.
1936
01:40:47,767 --> 01:40:49,834
We tried this
with another little girl.
1937
01:40:49,901 --> 01:40:53,500
Here's Big Bird.
1938
01:40:53,567 --> 01:40:55,000
Now, what this
little girl did
1939
01:40:55,067 --> 01:40:59,868
was she squeaked once for no
and twice for yes.
(toy squeaks)
1940
01:40:59,934 --> 01:41:01,100
Can you do that?
1941
01:41:01,167 --> 01:41:04,834
Once for no
and twice for yes.
1942
01:41:08,667 --> 01:41:11,200
When Jennifer
was touched at the school,
1943
01:41:11,267 --> 01:41:14,367
was it a hand
that touched her?
1944
01:41:14,434 --> 01:41:16,467
(squeaks once)
No.
1945
01:41:16,534 --> 01:41:21,767
No.
Did Ray sometimes do yucky
things to some of the kids?
1946
01:41:21,834 --> 01:41:23,701
(squeaks once)
No.
1947
01:41:23,767 --> 01:41:28,167
Sometimes people we like
can touch kids
1948
01:41:28,234 --> 01:41:31,000
in places that
are uncomfortable and scary.
1949
01:41:31,067 --> 01:41:34,000
Did you know that Ray
did that to some of the kids?
1950
01:41:34,067 --> 01:41:36,267
(squeaks once)
Danny, Kee: No.
1951
01:41:36,334 --> 01:41:38,500
We don't want
to hear any more, "No's."
1952
01:41:38,567 --> 01:41:42,133
No, no, no, no, no!
1953
01:41:42,200 --> 01:41:46,868
You told this child's parents
that she was molested,
did you not?
1954
01:41:46,934 --> 01:41:50,234
We said she was in denial.
Did the parents
see all of the tapes?
1955
01:41:50,300 --> 01:41:54,767
I beg your pardon?
Did they see all
of the tapes, Miss McFarlane?
1956
01:41:54,834 --> 01:41:58,968
No. We were interviewing
400 children and more
were calling all the time.
1957
01:41:59,033 --> 01:42:02,767
So all you had to do
was press fast-forward
on the VCR,
1958
01:42:02,834 --> 01:42:05,400
and you had at your fingertips
each child saying
whether or not
1959
01:42:05,467 --> 01:42:07,200
he or she had been molested,
is that correct?
1960
01:42:07,267 --> 01:42:10,801
You give me too much credit,
Mr. Davis.
1961
01:42:10,868 --> 01:42:14,000
The very idea that after
an hour or two with me,
a child would say
1962
01:42:14,067 --> 01:42:16,434
he was molested even
if he wasn't
1963
01:42:16,500 --> 01:42:18,300
makes me out to be
some sort of genius.
1964
01:42:18,367 --> 01:42:20,968
Children...
1965
01:42:21,033 --> 01:42:23,701
between three and six
1966
01:42:23,767 --> 01:42:26,033
can be very easily tricked.
1967
01:42:26,100 --> 01:42:29,400
They are at this developmental
stage of magical thinking.
1968
01:42:29,467 --> 01:42:33,467
It is very easy
to intimidate them.
1969
01:42:36,601 --> 01:42:40,434
You did make that statement,
didn't you, Miss McFarlane?
1970
01:42:40,500 --> 01:42:43,834
I knew what would happen
when I put myself on the line
with these tapes.
1971
01:42:43,901 --> 01:42:47,467
I knew people like you
would pick apart every word,
every inflection.
1972
01:42:47,534 --> 01:42:51,400
But somebody had to do it,
Mr. Davis, so the children
could tell the truth.
1973
01:42:51,467 --> 01:42:55,000
The truth?
Was what you got the truth?
1974
01:42:55,067 --> 01:42:57,534
What are you trying
to suggest?
1975
01:42:57,601 --> 01:43:00,934
I would deliberately plant
false ideas in their heads?
1976
01:43:01,000 --> 01:43:03,868
Is what why you think
I entered into all of this?
1977
01:43:03,934 --> 01:43:08,000
No, I think you entered
into all of this
for a very noble reason:
1978
01:43:08,067 --> 01:43:11,267
to help children
that you honestly thought
had been traumatized,
1979
01:43:11,334 --> 01:43:14,901
and maybe spare them
going through another trauma
in this very courtroom.
1980
01:43:14,968 --> 01:43:18,067
But I also believe
that you must have known
1981
01:43:18,133 --> 01:43:21,367
what a dangerous technique
this was, highly suggestive,
1982
01:43:21,434 --> 01:43:23,000
a technique that was meant
to be used
1983
01:43:23,067 --> 01:43:25,434
where abuse
was already
an established fact.
1984
01:43:25,500 --> 01:43:28,567
And yet, in this case,
there was no such evidence
that abuse had occurred.
1985
01:43:28,634 --> 01:43:31,000
And you went ahead and used
this technique anyway.
1986
01:43:31,067 --> 01:43:32,767
And this technique
became the evidence.
1987
01:43:32,834 --> 01:43:35,801
That's ridiculous.
Of course there was abuse.
1988
01:43:35,868 --> 01:43:39,868
The children told me,
I heard them, and you
and the entire justice system
1989
01:43:39,934 --> 01:43:42,100
are trying to stop them
from telling the truth.
1990
01:43:42,167 --> 01:43:45,534
Well, I don't blame you
for not wanting to face
reality, Miss McFarlane.
1991
01:43:45,601 --> 01:43:47,767
Because the reality is this:
1992
01:43:47,834 --> 01:43:49,734
You didn't listen
to these children.
1993
01:43:49,801 --> 01:43:52,500
You closed your ears
to the truth
1994
01:43:52,567 --> 01:43:55,767
that they were so desperately
trying to tell you.
1995
01:43:55,834 --> 01:43:58,901
You ended up implanting
instead in their fertile
imaginations
1996
01:43:58,968 --> 01:44:03,567
a memory of something
that never happened.
1997
01:44:03,634 --> 01:44:06,267
Why would I do that?
Well, I don't know why,
Miss McFarlane,
1998
01:44:06,334 --> 01:44:09,334
I do know that Mr. Satz
came along, didn't he?
1999
01:44:09,400 --> 01:44:12,434
And then you suddenly
became the Joan of Arc
of the children's movement.
2000
01:44:12,500 --> 01:44:15,000
Your Honor...
You were the champion
of children's rights,
2001
01:44:15,067 --> 01:44:16,634
their savior.
Judge:
Mr. Davis!
2002
01:44:16,701 --> 01:44:17,968
Maybe it all went
to your head.
2003
01:44:18,033 --> 01:44:19,734
Maybe the power trip
was too much to resist.
2004
01:44:19,801 --> 01:44:21,100
Rubin:
Your Honor...
What power trip?
2005
01:44:21,167 --> 01:44:22,767
Mr. Davis...
A halo around your head.
2006
01:44:22,834 --> 01:44:24,467
On Oprah every afternoon
at 3:00.
2007
01:44:24,534 --> 01:44:25,601
You were on a role,
weren't you?
2008
01:44:25,667 --> 01:44:27,701
Your Honor, objection!
Judge:
Mr. Davis!
2009
01:44:28,868 --> 01:44:31,701
That's enough.
Objection sustained.
2010
01:44:31,767 --> 01:44:34,234
Thank you, Your Honor.
I have no more questions.
2011
01:44:38,500 --> 01:44:41,334
Reporter:
Raymond Buckey has now
spent five years in jail
2012
01:44:41,400 --> 01:44:44,500
without bail, a new record
in California history
2013
01:44:44,567 --> 01:44:47,234
which has generated criticism
in legal circles.
2014
01:44:47,300 --> 01:44:49,767
But today,
in a major defense victory,
2015
01:44:49,834 --> 01:44:52,167
Judge Pounders
has granted him that bail
2016
01:44:52,234 --> 01:44:55,834
and placed him in the custody
of his attorney, Daniel Davis.
2017
01:44:55,901 --> 01:44:59,067
(reporters clamoring)
2018
01:44:59,133 --> 01:45:02,200
How does it feel to be out?
Ray! Ray! Come on, Ray, speak!
2019
01:45:02,267 --> 01:45:05,601
(clamoring continues)
2020
01:45:05,667 --> 01:45:07,601
Danny: Come on, Mr. Buckey.You know you're a pedophile.
2021
01:45:07,667 --> 01:45:09,400
You can't cut it
with anyone but children
2022
01:45:09,467 --> 01:45:11,801
because you can make them
do anything you want.
2023
01:45:11,868 --> 01:45:14,167
Please answer the question,
Mr. Buckey!
Stop it! Stop it!
2024
01:45:14,234 --> 01:45:17,500
I can't take this anymore.
All right, all right.
Cool down.
2025
01:45:17,567 --> 01:45:19,300
This is the kinda crap
that they're gonna keep
2026
01:45:19,367 --> 01:45:21,834
shoveling at you
all day long tomorrow.
2027
01:45:21,901 --> 01:45:24,534
And you've got to look
every one of those jurors
in the eye, Ray.
2028
01:45:24,601 --> 01:45:25,701
You keep lookin' away
from 'em.
2029
01:45:25,767 --> 01:45:28,100
I need you to connect
with every single one of them.
2030
01:45:28,167 --> 01:45:29,968
I can't do that.
Why not?
What are you afraid of?
2031
01:45:30,033 --> 01:45:32,601
I just spent the last
five years in jail.
All right, here we go.
2032
01:45:32,667 --> 01:45:34,067
I don't know how
to behave anymore.
2033
01:45:34,133 --> 01:45:37,000
I mean, here's this woman
who tells lies about me
2034
01:45:37,067 --> 01:45:38,901
and puts my mother
behind bars
2035
01:45:38,968 --> 01:45:40,868
and then rips the skin
off me every chance she gets.
2036
01:45:40,934 --> 01:45:43,267
How do I know I'm not
just gonna jump out of
the witness box
2037
01:45:43,334 --> 01:45:44,834
and strangle her
or burst into tears?
2038
01:45:44,901 --> 01:45:46,634
Because that's exactly
what she wants you to do.
2039
01:45:46,701 --> 01:45:50,000
Okay, you told me
what you're afraid of.
2040
01:45:50,067 --> 01:45:52,534
You wanna know
what I'm afraid of?
2041
01:45:55,500 --> 01:45:57,234
I'm afraid...
2042
01:45:57,300 --> 01:45:58,934
that I'm just
a back alley lawyer.
2043
01:45:59,000 --> 01:46:01,834
I represent drug dealers
and scumbags for a living.
2044
01:46:01,901 --> 01:46:04,467
I'm afraid Lael Rubin
and Ira Reiner
2045
01:46:04,534 --> 01:46:08,667
and the entire DA's department
is just gonna eat me alive.
2046
01:46:08,734 --> 01:46:12,234
But I've got one thing
they haven't got, Ray.
2047
01:46:12,300 --> 01:46:13,434
I've got you.
2048
01:46:15,000 --> 01:46:17,300
And the only thing
you've got...
2049
01:46:17,367 --> 01:46:19,434
is me.
2050
01:46:19,500 --> 01:46:21,167
So tomorrow,
I'm gonna swallow my fear
2051
01:46:21,234 --> 01:46:23,667
and I'm gonna get up there
and I'm gonna fight 'em.
2052
01:46:23,734 --> 01:46:26,167
And you're gonna
tell them something
2053
01:46:26,234 --> 01:46:29,167
they haven't heard
in that courtroom yet
in this trial, Ray.
2054
01:46:29,234 --> 01:46:31,667
You're gonna
tell them the truth.
2055
01:46:31,734 --> 01:46:34,868
And the jury is either
gonna believe us
or they aren't, son.
2056
01:46:34,934 --> 01:46:38,234
If they believe us, Ray,
2057
01:46:38,300 --> 01:46:41,968
you're gonna be a free man.
2058
01:46:42,033 --> 01:46:45,200
And if they don't...
Yeah.
2059
01:46:45,267 --> 01:46:48,367
You understand?
I understand.
2060
01:46:49,968 --> 01:46:51,667
Mr. Buckey, you've heard
all these children...
2061
01:46:51,734 --> 01:46:53,801
Rubin:
...accuse you
of sodomizing them,
2062
01:46:53,868 --> 01:46:55,300
of killing animals,
2063
01:46:55,367 --> 01:46:58,667
of threatening
to kill their parents
if they told anyone.
2064
01:46:58,734 --> 01:47:00,601
Were all these children lying?
2065
01:47:00,667 --> 01:47:04,467
No. Not all of them.
What do you mean,
not all of them?
2066
01:47:04,534 --> 01:47:05,701
Well, I think some
of the children
2067
01:47:05,767 --> 01:47:07,267
were lead to believe
these things happened.
2068
01:47:07,334 --> 01:47:11,334
Permission to approach,
Your Honor?
Judge: Granted.
2069
01:47:13,601 --> 01:47:16,133
Do you recognize
these pictures?
2070
01:47:18,567 --> 01:47:21,701
What's the matter?
You afraid of them?
2071
01:47:21,767 --> 01:47:24,200
Look at them.
Pick them up.
2072
01:47:24,267 --> 01:47:27,701
Will you tell
the jury what's
on the first one, please?
2073
01:47:27,767 --> 01:47:30,267
It's a picture of a man
giving oral sex to a woman.
2074
01:47:30,334 --> 01:47:32,067
Why did you keep it?
2075
01:47:33,400 --> 01:47:34,434
Self gratification.
2076
01:47:34,500 --> 01:47:36,267
You masturbated with them,
did you not?
2077
01:47:36,334 --> 01:47:39,167
Will you tell the jury
how you did that, please?
2078
01:47:39,234 --> 01:47:42,267
What do you mean?
Isn't it true
that you pasted this
2079
01:47:42,334 --> 01:47:46,000
to the window
of your apartment
and masturbated on the bed
2080
01:47:46,067 --> 01:47:48,901
in a position where people
in the street could
see you as they walk by?
2081
01:47:48,968 --> 01:47:52,767
No, that's not true.
That's not what two
of your neighbors said.
2082
01:47:52,834 --> 01:47:55,767
You can't see into
my bedroom from the street.
2083
01:47:55,834 --> 01:47:59,901
You think a person
who does this
should work at a preschool?
2084
01:47:59,968 --> 01:48:02,601
I don't think it has anything
to do with the preschool.
2085
01:48:02,667 --> 01:48:04,567
Then why did you tear this up
when the police came?
2086
01:48:04,634 --> 01:48:07,033
Why did you flush it
down the toilet?
2087
01:48:07,100 --> 01:48:10,067
I was afraid of what they
might make out of it.
2088
01:48:10,133 --> 01:48:11,367
What might they
make out of it?
2089
01:48:11,434 --> 01:48:13,300
What you're trying
to make out of it now.
2090
01:48:13,367 --> 01:48:17,667
Isn't it true that you
regularly sat facing
the wading pool
2091
01:48:17,734 --> 01:48:20,567
at the preschool
in your shorts
without any underwear
2092
01:48:20,634 --> 01:48:22,834
with your genitals
exposed to the children?
2093
01:48:22,901 --> 01:48:25,567
No. That isn't true.
I didn't wear underwear,
2094
01:48:25,634 --> 01:48:27,734
but my shorts came
halfway down my thighs.
2095
01:48:27,801 --> 01:48:33,133
You're a normal heterosexual
typical young man.
Is that true, Mr. Buckey?
2096
01:48:33,200 --> 01:48:35,734
I don't know if there
is such a thing, Miss Rubin.
2097
01:48:35,801 --> 01:48:38,834
Isn't it true that the only
gratification you have
ever had
2098
01:48:38,901 --> 01:48:41,767
or ever will have
is with these children,
Mr. Buckey?
2099
01:48:41,834 --> 01:48:45,400
That you are incapable
of having satisfactory sex
with a grown woman?
2100
01:48:45,467 --> 01:48:49,734
(sighs)
2101
01:48:49,801 --> 01:48:53,400
I may have done some
stupid things in my life.
2102
01:48:53,467 --> 01:48:58,133
And I am far from perfect,
but I have never
had sex with a child.
2103
01:48:58,200 --> 01:49:00,400
I've never hurt a child.
2104
01:49:00,467 --> 01:49:05,200
And I have had
satisfactory sex with
a grown woman, Miss Rubin.
2105
01:49:05,267 --> 01:49:07,267
Mmm-hmm.
2106
01:49:07,334 --> 01:49:10,033
Do you have an interest
in pyramids, Mr. Buckey?
2107
01:49:10,100 --> 01:49:12,634
Danny:
Objection. Irrelevant.
Judge: Overruled.
2108
01:49:12,701 --> 01:49:14,100
What are pyramids?
2109
01:49:14,167 --> 01:49:17,467
They're supposed
to have a positive effect
2110
01:49:17,534 --> 01:49:20,000
on living things.
2111
01:49:20,067 --> 01:49:22,901
It helps you sleep
if you put one over your bed.
It's just a fad.
2112
01:49:22,968 --> 01:49:25,767
Did you fly to a convention
where pyramids were sold?
2113
01:49:25,834 --> 01:49:29,567
Objection. Your Honor,
I think we better approach,
if we may, please?
2114
01:49:29,634 --> 01:49:31,834
Very well.
2115
01:49:33,500 --> 01:49:34,500
Your Honor, I must object.
2116
01:49:34,567 --> 01:49:36,567
Miss Rubin is trying
to convert pyramids
2117
01:49:36,634 --> 01:49:38,934
into pentagrams and turn
my client into Dracula.
2118
01:49:39,000 --> 01:49:41,267
You categorize Peggy Buckey
as a caring teacher.
2119
01:49:41,334 --> 01:49:44,033
Would a caring person allow
somebody who abuses drugs
2120
01:49:44,100 --> 01:49:47,667
and flies off
to pyramid conventions
to work at her school?
2121
01:49:47,734 --> 01:49:49,367
Objection overruled.
Continue.
2122
01:49:49,434 --> 01:49:52,033
Permission to approach,
Your Honor?
Granted.
2123
01:49:54,667 --> 01:49:59,367
Is this a picture of you
at a convention
holding a pyramid?
2124
01:49:59,434 --> 01:50:02,033
Yes.
You see the woman
on the right-hand side
2125
01:50:02,100 --> 01:50:04,234
of the photograph?
2126
01:50:06,834 --> 01:50:08,901
Ray:
Yes.
2127
01:50:08,968 --> 01:50:10,367
Danny:
Who is Diana Sullivan?
2128
01:50:10,434 --> 01:50:12,400
(sighs)
I told you about her.
2129
01:50:12,467 --> 01:50:14,634
We had an affair.
2130
01:50:14,701 --> 01:50:18,901
She told two investigators
otherwise.
2131
01:50:18,968 --> 01:50:21,868
I don't see what it matters
whether or not I slept
with her.
2132
01:50:21,934 --> 01:50:24,000
Well, I think the DA
is gonna bring her here
2133
01:50:24,067 --> 01:50:27,033
and get her to tell the jury
that you don't
have sex with women.
2134
01:50:27,100 --> 01:50:30,400
And it's going
to hurt us, Ray.
2135
01:50:30,467 --> 01:50:32,868
I don't think she'll do that.
Oh, really? Why is that?
2136
01:50:32,934 --> 01:50:36,534
Because, what, you've
become a secret stud
all of a sudden?
2137
01:50:36,601 --> 01:50:38,968
Ray?
2138
01:50:39,033 --> 01:50:42,500
I just...
I don't think she'll do that.
2139
01:50:42,567 --> 01:50:45,601
Ms. Sullivan, did you
ever tell someone in 1984
2140
01:50:45,667 --> 01:50:49,367
that you had never had sex
with Raymond Buckey?
Yes.
2141
01:50:49,434 --> 01:50:51,634
Who was it?
My fiancee.
2142
01:50:51,701 --> 01:50:56,634
And to the investigators that
interviewed me
seven years ago.
2143
01:50:56,701 --> 01:50:58,934
And why did you
tell them that?
2144
01:50:59,000 --> 01:51:04,334
Because I wanted to protect
my reputation and my marriage.
2145
01:51:04,400 --> 01:51:07,434
And in the last few weeks,
did some people associated
with Miss Rubin's office
2146
01:51:07,500 --> 01:51:11,000
come and visit you
at your home in Montana?
2147
01:51:11,067 --> 01:51:13,033
Yes.
2148
01:51:13,100 --> 01:51:14,567
Danny: Would you tell us
what they did, please?
2149
01:51:14,634 --> 01:51:17,234
They wanted to speak
to me about my testimony.
2150
01:51:17,300 --> 01:51:19,367
They questioned me
in front of my children.
2151
01:51:19,434 --> 01:51:22,100
My kids thought
I was gonna go to jail.
2152
01:51:22,167 --> 01:51:24,033
What did they want?
2153
01:51:24,100 --> 01:51:26,901
They wanted assurances
that I would testify
2154
01:51:26,968 --> 01:51:29,434
that I never had sex
with Mr. Buckey.
2155
01:51:29,500 --> 01:51:33,567
Danny:
And did you and Raymond Buckey
in fact have sexual relations?
2156
01:51:33,634 --> 01:51:36,801
Yes.
Danny:
Thank you. That's all.
2157
01:51:38,434 --> 01:51:41,834
Would you describe yourself
as promiscuous?
2158
01:51:41,901 --> 01:51:43,400
No. I really don't think so.
2159
01:51:43,467 --> 01:51:46,200
Have you been enjoying
the publicity
2160
01:51:46,267 --> 01:51:47,868
you've been getting
from this trial?
2161
01:51:47,934 --> 01:51:51,567
No. I know my children
are gonna read about it
in the paper.
2162
01:51:51,634 --> 01:51:56,167
Did you have any difficulty
having sex
2163
01:51:56,234 --> 01:52:01,434
with Mr. Buckey?
How do you mean, difficult?
2164
01:52:01,500 --> 01:52:04,767
Was it necessary
to orally copulate Mr. Buckey
2165
01:52:04,834 --> 01:52:07,567
in order to have sex
with him?
2166
01:52:07,634 --> 01:52:11,300
No.
2167
01:52:11,367 --> 01:52:14,100
Rubin:
Didn't you tell that
to investigators?
2168
01:52:14,167 --> 01:52:16,934
No, I did not.
Rubin: Are you sure?
2169
01:52:17,000 --> 01:52:19,801
It's not the language
I would have used.
2170
01:52:19,868 --> 01:52:23,934
What language would you
have used, Ms. Sullivan?
2171
01:52:24,000 --> 01:52:28,234
I would have said... head.
(laughter)
2172
01:52:30,534 --> 01:52:33,200
This is Mr. Buckey's
seventh day on the stand.
2173
01:52:33,267 --> 01:52:37,868
Miss Rubin has gotten
the allegedly most notorious
child molester in history
2174
01:52:37,934 --> 01:52:40,634
to reveal that he
did not wear underwear,
2175
01:52:40,701 --> 01:52:44,701
that he smoked marijuana,
that he believed
in pyramid power,
2176
01:52:44,767 --> 01:52:47,500
and was a virgin until 24.
2177
01:52:47,567 --> 01:52:50,200
But there seems
to be little connection
to the case that claimed...
2178
01:52:50,267 --> 01:52:53,400
Rubin: Thank you.
...400 child molestations
2179
01:52:53,467 --> 01:52:56,334
and launched
nationwide hysteria.
2180
01:52:56,400 --> 01:52:58,734
Rubin: Were these items
found in your room,
Mr. Buckey?
2181
01:52:58,801 --> 01:53:00,067
Ray: Yes.
2182
01:53:00,133 --> 01:53:02,667
You've been interested
in pornography for
a long time.
2183
01:53:02,734 --> 01:53:06,667
Haven't you?
How old were you
when you drew this picture?
2184
01:53:06,734 --> 01:53:09,834
I was about 11.
Don't you think this
is rather sophisticated
2185
01:53:09,901 --> 01:53:14,801
for a boy that age?
I used to pick up "Playboy"
magazines and copy from those.
2186
01:53:14,868 --> 01:53:17,500
You drew pubic hair there,
didn't you?
2187
01:53:19,234 --> 01:53:22,467
I drew nipples there too, see?
2188
01:53:28,267 --> 01:53:30,934
Let's talk
about pyramids again.
2189
01:53:31,000 --> 01:53:34,567
Are these your books?
Yes.
2190
01:53:34,634 --> 01:53:36,400
You think it's normal
for a man your age
2191
01:53:36,467 --> 01:53:37,634
to believe in pyramids?
2192
01:53:37,701 --> 01:53:39,133
Well, I...
I laugh about it now.
2193
01:53:39,200 --> 01:53:42,500
You laugh about it now,
but you weren't laughing
about it then.
2194
01:53:42,567 --> 01:53:44,467
No, I... I guess I wasn't.
2195
01:53:44,534 --> 01:53:46,734
You see an item on this table
called a Raydome?
2196
01:53:46,801 --> 01:53:49,934
Yeah. But that's just
what it's called.
It has nothing to do with me.
2197
01:53:50,000 --> 01:53:51,267
That's not what I asked you.
2198
01:53:51,334 --> 01:53:53,467
Isn't it true that a Raydome
is supposed to have
2199
01:53:53,534 --> 01:53:56,067
40 times the effectiveness
of a regular pyramid?
2200
01:53:56,133 --> 01:53:59,234
Objection, Your Honor.
It calls for speculation
2201
01:53:59,300 --> 01:54:01,934
as to the wattage
of the Raydome.
2202
01:54:02,000 --> 01:54:06,500
(laughter)
2203
01:54:12,334 --> 01:54:14,300
Danny:
Are these delightful
items yours, Mr. Buckey?
2204
01:54:14,367 --> 01:54:16,000
Ray: No.
Whose are they?
2205
01:54:16,067 --> 01:54:18,534
They're my sister's.
Who bought them for her?
2206
01:54:18,601 --> 01:54:21,968
Her boyfriend's father,
as a joke.
2207
01:54:27,100 --> 01:54:30,234
Is this your
doll collection?
No.
2208
01:54:30,300 --> 01:54:35,367
Whose is it?
It's my mother's.
2209
01:54:35,434 --> 01:54:39,167
She kept them
for her nieces to play with.
2210
01:54:46,200 --> 01:54:49,334
Now... what is this?
2211
01:54:49,400 --> 01:54:51,400
It's a pyramid hat.
2212
01:54:51,467 --> 01:54:53,334
A pyramid hat.
2213
01:54:58,701 --> 01:55:01,234
(laughter)
2214
01:55:01,300 --> 01:55:03,601
Like this?
2215
01:55:03,667 --> 01:55:05,367
It's, uh... it's backwards.
2216
01:55:05,434 --> 01:55:08,701
Oh.
(laughter)
2217
01:55:10,467 --> 01:55:14,567
Mr. Buckey, is it possible
that pyramid power
2218
01:55:14,634 --> 01:55:16,701
drove you to molest children?
2219
01:55:16,767 --> 01:55:20,267
No.
Is it possible that pyramid
power blanked out your mind
2220
01:55:20,334 --> 01:55:22,901
so you forgot horrible events
like molesting children?
2221
01:55:22,968 --> 01:55:26,400
No.
Is it possible...
2222
01:55:26,467 --> 01:55:29,400
you never molested
children at all?
Yes.
2223
01:55:29,467 --> 01:55:34,000
Look the jury in the eye,
and answer this question.
2224
01:55:40,033 --> 01:55:44,567
Danny:
Did you ever molest a child?
2225
01:55:44,634 --> 01:55:46,767
No.
2226
01:55:57,367 --> 01:56:01,133
♪ ♪
2227
01:56:02,868 --> 01:56:05,334
Feel like working out?
2228
01:56:05,400 --> 01:56:08,300
The jury came in.
2229
01:56:08,367 --> 01:56:10,834
What, you just heard?
2230
01:56:10,901 --> 01:56:13,534
No, I heard last night.
2231
01:56:13,601 --> 01:56:16,601
They're reading the verdict,
uh, at the opening
of session this morning.
2232
01:56:19,801 --> 01:56:22,300
They're hung
on 13 counts, Ray.
2233
01:56:22,367 --> 01:56:26,100
Is that good or bad?
2234
01:56:26,167 --> 01:56:29,033
Your mother's charged
with 13 counts.
2235
01:56:29,100 --> 01:56:32,167
So if they're hung on her...
2236
01:56:33,734 --> 01:56:35,100
it's not so good
for you, is it?
2237
01:56:36,734 --> 01:56:38,834
Could be just a coincidence.
2238
01:56:38,901 --> 01:56:40,767
And it's not
the end of everything.
2239
01:56:43,234 --> 01:56:44,901
I can keep you out on bail,
I think.
2240
01:56:44,968 --> 01:56:47,400
We'll appeal.
2241
01:56:47,467 --> 01:56:49,767
We have grounds for appeal,
I think.
2242
01:56:53,100 --> 01:56:54,734
I'm sorry, Ray.
2243
01:56:57,234 --> 01:56:59,934
I never thought 12 people
would believe this.
2244
01:57:02,000 --> 01:57:04,033
I wasn't good enough.
Oh, hey.
2245
01:57:08,667 --> 01:57:09,901
You did your best.
2246
01:57:09,968 --> 01:57:14,634
You know, you did
the best you could.
2247
01:57:14,701 --> 01:57:18,100
I always knew this
was the way it was gonna go.
2248
01:57:19,567 --> 01:57:21,300
I'll survive.
2249
01:57:34,167 --> 01:57:35,601
Judge:
You have reached 52 verdicts?
2250
01:57:35,667 --> 01:57:36,968
Juror:
We have, Your Honor.
2251
01:57:37,033 --> 01:57:38,434
Judge:
If you'll present those forms
2252
01:57:38,500 --> 01:57:41,367
to the bailiff,
the court will read
the verdict.
2253
01:58:11,801 --> 01:58:14,033
The clerk will
read the verdict.
2254
01:58:30,767 --> 01:58:32,968
In the case of the People
of the State of California
2255
01:58:33,033 --> 01:58:36,534
versus Raymond Buckey
and Peggy McMartin Buckey,
2256
01:58:36,601 --> 01:58:39,200
we the jury
in the above entitled action
find the defendants,
2257
01:58:39,267 --> 01:58:42,634
Peggy McMartin Buckey
and Raymond Charles Buckey,
2258
01:58:42,701 --> 01:58:44,801
not guilty...
All: Oh!
2259
01:58:44,868 --> 01:58:46,701
as charged with lewd acts
with children
2260
01:58:46,767 --> 01:58:50,000
under the age of 14
in violation of Penal Code
2261
01:58:50,067 --> 01:58:53,334
Section 288-A, Felony.
2262
01:58:53,400 --> 01:58:54,834
Oh, my God.
2263
01:58:56,400 --> 01:58:57,801
Judge:
Is this your verdict?
2264
01:58:57,868 --> 01:58:59,033
Juror:
Yes, Your Honor.
2265
01:58:59,100 --> 01:59:00,667
Judge:
So say one, so say you all?
2266
01:59:00,734 --> 01:59:02,667
Juror:
Yes, Your Honor.
2267
01:59:02,734 --> 01:59:06,234
Judge:
Does the prosecution wish
to have the jury polled?
2268
01:59:06,300 --> 01:59:08,567
I should like to thank
the members of the jury
2269
01:59:08,634 --> 01:59:12,067
for your participation
in this most important case.
2270
01:59:12,133 --> 01:59:15,667
(all clamoring)
2271
01:59:18,601 --> 01:59:21,234
Oh, my baby! Oh!
2272
01:59:21,300 --> 01:59:24,300
(all clamoring)
2273
01:59:24,367 --> 01:59:27,534
Thank you! Thank you!
Thank you!
2274
01:59:29,133 --> 01:59:32,000
We are! We're very happy.
2275
01:59:40,400 --> 01:59:45,000
It's over!
I used to watch you, wondering
what you must be thinking.
2276
01:59:45,067 --> 01:59:49,400
How hard it was on you.
I saw you wipe away a tear
once in a while,
2277
01:59:49,467 --> 01:59:51,701
but it didn't
happen very often.
2278
01:59:51,767 --> 01:59:53,400
We read your mother's diary.
2279
01:59:53,467 --> 01:59:55,467
That school was your life.
You loved kids,
2280
01:59:55,534 --> 01:59:59,634
and we could all see that.
I'm not bitter.
2281
01:59:59,701 --> 02:00:04,067
I was raised not
to be bitter.
2282
02:00:04,133 --> 02:00:06,267
We...
2283
02:00:06,334 --> 02:00:08,500
We lost everything.
2284
02:00:08,567 --> 02:00:11,767
We don't have anything!
2285
02:00:11,834 --> 02:00:14,534
Mama! (sobbing)
We don't have anything!
2286
02:00:14,601 --> 02:00:17,300
Do you think they'll
try your client again
on the hung 13 counts?
2287
02:00:17,367 --> 02:00:18,934
If they put those children
through this again,
2288
02:00:19,000 --> 02:00:21,067
it will be the biggest
molestation of all.
2289
02:00:21,133 --> 02:00:23,601
I think everyone agrees that
justice was done here at last.
2290
02:00:23,667 --> 02:00:26,334
Today we're investigating
McMartin outrage.
2291
02:00:26,400 --> 02:00:27,567
What went wrong?
2292
02:00:27,634 --> 02:00:30,567
Does it spell the doom
of child abuse cases?
2293
02:00:30,634 --> 02:00:32,667
Man:
I could not do
what the jury had done.
2294
02:00:32,734 --> 02:00:36,000
The justice system
may have been served today,
but justice was not.
2295
02:00:36,067 --> 02:00:38,367
Wake up, America.
This is your wakeup call.
2296
02:00:38,434 --> 02:00:40,334
Geraldo:
Despite the shocking
and painfully...
2297
02:00:40,400 --> 02:00:44,300
There are some really upset
and angry parents here.
2298
02:00:44,367 --> 02:00:47,500
We have a network
of parents all over America.
2299
02:00:47,567 --> 02:00:50,300
These charges
will be filed again.
2300
02:00:50,367 --> 02:00:52,934
Feelings are running
very high in the courthouse.
2301
02:00:53,000 --> 02:00:55,834
This doesn't diminish
what those children
have lived through
2302
02:00:55,901 --> 02:00:58,067
or will have to face
for the rest of their lives.
2303
02:00:58,133 --> 02:01:02,000
Female reporter:
...and who hoodwinked
our legal system.
2304
02:01:04,133 --> 02:01:08,667
We have reached a decision
to have a second trial
on the McMartin case.
2305
02:01:08,734 --> 02:01:13,167
(groaning, murmuring)
2306
02:01:13,234 --> 02:01:14,767
We're glad you could come.
2307
02:01:14,834 --> 02:01:17,400
We'd like to talk to you
about something I think
you'll be happy about.
2308
02:01:17,467 --> 02:01:19,367
Where's Rubin?
Man:
She is no longer on the case.
2309
02:01:19,434 --> 02:01:20,968
She asked to be reassigned
to Santa Monica.
2310
02:01:21,033 --> 02:01:23,000
It couldn't have
anything to do with
"The New York Times"
2311
02:01:23,067 --> 02:01:24,534
calling some
of her behavior "sleazy"
2312
02:01:24,601 --> 02:01:26,801
and some of her remarks,
"unprofessional," could it?
2313
02:01:26,868 --> 02:01:28,500
Let's get
to the business at hand.
2314
02:01:28,567 --> 02:01:31,267
We'd like to spare the county
the expense of going
through this thing again.
2315
02:01:31,334 --> 02:01:34,968
Enough money has been spent.
So here's...
You looked at the tapes.
2316
02:01:35,033 --> 02:01:37,234
You finally looked
at the tapes, didn't you?
2317
02:01:37,300 --> 02:01:40,767
(laughs) Now, we haven't
spoken to Reiner about this,
2318
02:01:40,834 --> 02:01:44,067
we'd have to make a hard sell,
you understand...
That's bullshit. Okay?
2319
02:01:44,133 --> 02:01:46,567
We wouldn't all be sitting
here if you hadn't already
talked to Reiner.
2320
02:01:46,634 --> 02:01:47,934
He's running
for Attorney General.
2321
02:01:48,033 --> 02:01:49,200
All you need is to lose again,
2322
02:01:49,267 --> 02:01:51,467
and you're lookin'
for a way out. So,
2323
02:01:51,534 --> 02:01:53,968
what's the deal?
2324
02:01:54,033 --> 02:01:56,400
I'll tell you
where I'm coming from.
2325
02:01:56,467 --> 02:02:00,167
I would personally urge Reiner
to accept a nolo plea.
2326
02:02:00,234 --> 02:02:03,300
(sighs) Hmm...
2327
02:02:06,634 --> 02:02:09,434
Let me run it by my client.
2328
02:02:09,500 --> 02:02:13,033
You don't have
to plead guilty.
Okay? So you can just say
2329
02:02:13,100 --> 02:02:16,133
that you're takin'
the deal because it's
too good to turn down.
2330
02:02:16,200 --> 02:02:20,167
You take one count
on each child
and that's it. No time.
2331
02:02:20,234 --> 02:02:21,834
Doesn't that mean
I'm saying I'm guilty?
2332
02:02:21,901 --> 02:02:25,634
No. It means you're saying,
"I'm taking the deal"
2333
02:02:25,701 --> 02:02:27,901
"because it's too good
to turn down."
2334
02:02:27,968 --> 02:02:30,534
That's it? That's all?
2335
02:02:30,601 --> 02:02:34,200
And you have to register
with the police.
2336
02:02:34,267 --> 02:02:36,634
Register as what?
2337
02:02:36,701 --> 02:02:39,767
That you're a sex offender.
2338
02:02:41,067 --> 02:02:42,868
You wanna go up
and take this crapshoot again?
2339
02:02:42,934 --> 02:02:45,667
I'm sure as hell not gonna let
them win without
going to trial.
2340
02:02:45,734 --> 02:02:48,734
Trial? A trial. We can't go
through another trial, Ray,
and you know it.
2341
02:02:48,801 --> 02:02:50,734
You speak for yourself!
Don't even think about it.
2342
02:02:50,801 --> 02:02:54,634
I'm tired, I'm exhausted
and I'm burned out!
2343
02:02:54,701 --> 02:02:56,000
And you can't take anymore.
2344
02:02:56,067 --> 02:02:57,934
I remember you were gonna
put a shiv through your ear.
2345
02:02:58,000 --> 02:03:00,334
You were gonna hang yourself
with your shoe laces
in your jail cell.
2346
02:03:00,400 --> 02:03:01,701
Yeah, yeah, okay.
So don't say another trial.
2347
02:03:01,767 --> 02:03:03,734
So I thought about
killing myself. Okay?
2348
02:03:03,801 --> 02:03:07,200
But never, not once,
not in my worst time.
2349
02:03:07,267 --> 02:03:08,300
Now, listen to me, Danny.
2350
02:03:08,367 --> 02:03:10,133
Not once did I ever think
2351
02:03:10,200 --> 02:03:12,968
of giving them what you
want me to give them now.
2352
02:03:13,033 --> 02:03:18,300
No way! I'm not putting
on a piece of paper
that I'm a pedophile. Never.
2353
02:03:20,400 --> 02:03:25,267
Ray, they say it ain't over
until the fat lady sings.
2354
02:03:25,334 --> 02:03:26,901
I think she's already sung.
2355
02:03:29,901 --> 02:03:31,734
Thanks.
2356
02:03:31,801 --> 02:03:36,334
Hey! How are you, Danny?
2357
02:03:36,400 --> 02:03:38,000
Ray, how do you feel
about goin' through
another trial?
2358
02:03:38,067 --> 02:03:40,634
Fine. He feels fine about it.
The DA wants
to make me a deal.
2359
02:03:40,701 --> 02:03:42,000
And he wants me
to let them off the hook.
2360
02:03:42,067 --> 02:03:43,167
I turned it down.
Ray?
2361
02:03:43,234 --> 02:03:44,234
Just a second.
Hey!
2362
02:03:44,300 --> 02:03:47,634
Wait a minute! Wait a minute!
Come on!
2363
02:03:47,701 --> 02:03:50,500
I made a deal with Martinez
to keep this under wraps.
2364
02:03:50,567 --> 02:03:52,934
It's too late.
(clamoring)
2365
02:03:53,000 --> 02:03:53,934
Hi.
2366
02:03:54,000 --> 02:03:56,033
Mr. Martinez!
2367
02:03:56,100 --> 02:03:59,601
Mr. Martinez! Did you try
to cut a deal with Ray Buckey?
2368
02:03:59,667 --> 02:04:01,267
Never. Not in a million years.
2369
02:04:01,334 --> 02:04:04,868
We wouldn't offer Ray Buckey
a deal in his wildest dreams.
2370
02:04:04,934 --> 02:04:09,067
Thank you. Good day.
Do it.
2371
02:04:09,133 --> 02:04:12,067
He's lying his ass off.
What?
2372
02:04:12,133 --> 02:04:16,434
I said he's lying his ass off.
2373
02:04:18,467 --> 02:04:19,934
Mr. Martinez is a liar.
2374
02:04:20,000 --> 02:04:22,534
I had a meeting with him.
I tape recorded the meeting.
2375
02:04:22,601 --> 02:04:24,033
Perhaps you'd all like
to hear it.
2376
02:04:24,100 --> 02:04:25,868
Martinez on tape:
I'll tell you
where I'm coming from.
2377
02:04:25,934 --> 02:04:30,000
I would personally urge Reiner
to accept a nolo plea.
2378
02:04:30,067 --> 02:04:34,367
Thank you.
Thanks, Danny.
2379
02:04:36,968 --> 02:04:38,500
You were right.
2380
02:04:38,567 --> 02:04:42,100
The fat lady had another
song in her after all.
2381
02:04:42,167 --> 02:04:46,234
(people murmuring)
2382
02:04:48,534 --> 02:04:50,968
Judge:
Ladies and gentlemen
of the jury,
2383
02:04:51,033 --> 02:04:53,400
have you reached a verdict?
2384
02:04:53,467 --> 02:04:55,834
Juror:
We have been unable
to come to a conclusion
2385
02:04:55,901 --> 02:04:57,834
on any of these nine counts.
2386
02:04:57,901 --> 02:04:59,834
We are irrevocably deadlocked
2387
02:04:59,901 --> 02:05:01,868
and will never come
to a conclusion.
2388
02:05:01,934 --> 02:05:05,300
♪ ♪
2389
02:05:05,367 --> 02:05:07,534
Reporter:
The McMartin case
is finally over,
2390
02:05:07,601 --> 02:05:10,801
after seven years
and 15 million dollars
2391
02:05:10,868 --> 02:05:13,234
and without
a single conviction.
2392
02:05:22,434 --> 02:05:24,634
It's odd, isn't it?
2393
02:05:24,701 --> 02:05:27,334
Seven years,
and then in one minute...
2394
02:05:27,400 --> 02:05:32,100
it's over.
It's so strange.
2395
02:05:32,167 --> 02:05:35,267
It isn't over, not for me.
2396
02:05:35,334 --> 02:05:37,968
When something
like this hits you,
2397
02:05:38,033 --> 02:05:40,868
you don't start your life
over again so easily.
2398
02:05:40,934 --> 02:05:43,634
Not at my age.
2399
02:05:43,701 --> 02:05:46,434
Not when most of it's gone.
2400
02:05:46,500 --> 02:05:49,500
We don't mean to sound
ungrateful, Danny,
we are grateful.
2401
02:05:49,567 --> 02:05:52,300
I know.
But...
2402
02:05:52,367 --> 02:05:54,534
this thing
is gonna stay with us.
2403
02:05:54,601 --> 02:05:57,133
People have short memories.
There's another
astounding headline
2404
02:05:57,200 --> 02:06:00,033
in the papers,
another case on TV.
People forget.
2405
02:06:00,100 --> 02:06:02,100
Woman:
Look, that's them.
The child molesters.
2406
02:06:02,167 --> 02:06:04,000
Child molesters!
2407
02:06:04,067 --> 02:06:06,334
What is your problem? Huh?
2408
02:06:06,400 --> 02:06:09,300
You wanna say it to my face?
2409
02:06:09,367 --> 02:06:12,834
Child molesters, you see?
2410
02:06:12,901 --> 02:06:15,868
They don't forget.
2411
02:06:15,934 --> 02:06:19,634
And they don't care
that they've ruined our lives.
2412
02:06:19,701 --> 02:06:24,067
And not just ours,
the parents, the children.
2413
02:06:25,467 --> 02:06:27,434
How come God didn't stop it?
2414
02:06:27,500 --> 02:06:30,934
Oh, no. Don't blame God.
2415
02:06:31,000 --> 02:06:34,767
What happened to us
was all the work of people.
2416
02:06:34,834 --> 02:06:37,901
God wasn't let into it.
2417
02:06:37,968 --> 02:06:42,100
Who had the time to stop
and listen to God?
2418
02:06:42,167 --> 02:06:46,500
They were all too busy
watching television.
2419
02:06:58,400 --> 02:07:02,701
♪ ♪
2420
02:08:01,367 --> 02:08:04,734
♪ ♪
2421
02:08:04,801 --> 02:08:09,400
(choral music plays)
2422
02:10:58,133 --> 02:11:01,367
(children laughing,
shouting in distance)
2423
02:11:12,868 --> 02:11:17,000
(children laughing,
shouting in distance)
2424
02:11:30,701 --> 02:11:34,701
(children laughing,
shouting in distance)
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