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In the criminal justice system,
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the people are represented
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by two separate,
yet equally important groups:
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the police, who investigate crime,
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and the district attorneys,
who prosecute the offenders.
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These are their stories.
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Yo.
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Yo.
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Hey!
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Yo, what you running for?
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Hey!
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Early bird runner found him laying here.
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Approximate time of death?
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MLIs put it somewhere
between 2:00 and 4:00 AM.
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- Witnesses?
- None so far.
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Yeah, nobody sees nothing, huh?
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Eh.
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Blunt force trauma?
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That'd be my guess.
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ID?
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Derek Stanton.
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Still got his cash.
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Any indication that
the body was moved here?
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The way the blood has
pooled and the spatter
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on the pavement, I think
it all happened right here.
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My boy had quite the rap sheet.
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Just got out of Fishkill
nine months ago.
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What was he in for?
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Selling marijuana.
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Served four years.
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Four years for selling weed?
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Crazy.
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Times have changed.
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- Synced and corrected by synk -
- www.addic7ed.com -
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Surveillance footage from
the park near the crime scene
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shows a guy wailing on Stanton.
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But it doesn't capture the whole thing.
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Damn.
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Do we have any better video than this?
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It's the only video we got.
There weren't many cameras in the area.
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I can't even make out his
face or even a skin color.
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But it's clear that
the assailant and Stanton
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are about the same size,
so we're looking for a guy
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who's about 6 feet tall.
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What else do we know?
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Well, the ME thinks that the perp
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might have been wearing a ring
with some kind of stone in it.
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So did we run the vic's body for DNA?
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Yeah, they took samples,
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but the backlog's
a few weeks out minimum.
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All right, well, just keep digging in.
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You know, given this guy's history,
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it could be related to drugs
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or maybe even his time
in Fishkill or both.
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Hey, I found something interesting
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on the vic's phone.
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Past week, Stanton made 28 calls
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to a man named Jordan Spall,
but he never answered.
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So the vic's calling Spall,
Spall's not picking up.
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There's got to be a good reason.
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Did Spall ever serve time?
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Sure did.
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Armed assault, sentenced
to five years at Fishkill.
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Got out a few months ago.
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He's probably still on parole.
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Jordan Spall hasn't
missed an appointment,
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hasn't failed a urine test,
hasn't re-offended,
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at least not yet.
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You know, since we're here,
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would you mind seeing
what you could find out
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about our vic, Derek Stanton?
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He's a Fishkill alum.
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According to Stanton's chart,
he was a model parolee, too.
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Was he a model prisoner?
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Looks like Stanton was disciplined
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a few times for fighting.
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20 bucks says he was
scrapping with Spall.
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As a matter of fact.
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Where's Spall living now?
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Is that him?
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Looks like it.
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Jordan Spall, I'd like
to have a word with you.
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Jordan.
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Hey!
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- I've got this side.
- 27 Squad to Central.
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10-85.
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Black male, 30s,
blue jeans, green hoodie
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under a black jacket.
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In pursuit, Cherry Street flea market.
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NYPD.
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Police, police. It's OK. It's OK.
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Watch yourself. Watch yourself.
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Spall!
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It's... it's the shoes. Sorry.
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- Whoa, whoa, whoa!
- Watch out!
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Oh, my God!
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Watch out!
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Give me your hands. Stay down.
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Stay down.
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Usain Bolt.
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I didn't have anything to do
with killing Derek Stanton.
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So why'd you run when you saw us then?
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'Cause I had weed on me.
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Bro, having weed on you
this day and age?
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You're not gonna get
in trouble for that.
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But beating Derek Stanton to death,
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that'll get your ass
locked back up in genpop.
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What?
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I didn't even know Derek was dead.
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Oh, we'd like to believe you, Jordan.
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We really would.
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Unfortunately,
we're homicide detectives,
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so we don't believe anybody.
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So help us out.
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Where were you this morning
between 2:00 AM and 4:00 AM?
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In my bed at the
halfway house, sleeping.
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You could check with
the tight-ass supervisor.
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Dude watches like a hawk.
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Why was Stanton calling you so much?
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Don't know, don't care.
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I didn't like the dude,
so I ignored his calls.
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Jordan, come on.
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Either we tell your PO
how cooperative you were, or...
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Or we tell her something else.
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All right.
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I heard Derek was reaching out
to a bunch of ex-cons,
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trying to put together a crew,
make some money.
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Doing what?
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Word is, they was meeting
at a pizza place
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near the projects on Pitt Street.
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That's all I know.
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Window was busted when
I got here this morning.
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What time was that?
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6:00 AM.
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Derek was supposed to be here.
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I thought maybe it was a robbery,
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but nothing's missing.
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- So you work here?
- Assistant manager.
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Where were you late last night?
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- In my room.
- Can anyone verify that?
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I live in a group home. You can check.
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There's lots of cameras.
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Why was Derek here so early?
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Gotten the lease to this pizzeria,
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and he was working around the clock
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to get it off the ground.
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Grand opening's tomorrow.
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Well, it was supposed to be anyway.
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How'd you know Derek?
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Fishkill.
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What were you in for?
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Heroin.
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Picked the wrong time
to be an addict, you know?
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Nowadays, they bend over
backwards to get you help.
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Back then, we were
hardened criminals, man.
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We heard Derek had been meeting
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with a bunch of ex-cons.
You know anything about that?
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Just trying to put together
a team to open more pizzerias.
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Wanted to help.
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Was going to give us
a piece of the action, too.
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That's it?
There was nothing else going on?
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He was just trying to help
a bunch of ex-cons out.
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Sounds like a good dude.
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He was.
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You know anybody
who didn't feel that way?
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Anybody who might have wanted him dead?
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Last few months, he's
been all about making amends.
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Kept his nose real clean.
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Spent a lot of time
with his daughter, too.
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Sonya, Lena,
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I am terribly sorry that
we have some very bad news.
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Your father and your ex-husband
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was found murdered.
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I can't believe that he's gone.
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I just got him back.
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He spent all those years
in prison over weed.
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He finally gets out, and then this?
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If you don't mind my asking,
why have you moved here?
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Does it have anything
to do with your father?
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Was he violent to either one of you?
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No.
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Never.
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No, Derek wasn't about any of that.
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He had his issues, sure, but...
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he never raised his voice or
his hands to either one of us.
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So why are you here?
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Who are you afraid of?
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My husband, William.
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He's got a temper.
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And when Derek got out of
prison, things just got worse.
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We just needed to get away
for a little while
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until things calmed down.
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Did your husband and Derek,
they ever argue or fight?
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Yes.
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The last time my father
came to the house,
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William chased him out.
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He said he was going to kill him.
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I don't care what them girls said.
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They're crazy, tripping over nothing.
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I ain't lay a hand
on either one of them.
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What about Derek Stanton?
You ever lay a hand on him?
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No, sir.
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Wanted to, but I never did.
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Punk-ass drug dealer
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thought he could just walk
back into everybody's life.
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Lena's daughter said
you threatened to kill him.
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I did.
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Meant it, too.
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But I didn't kill nobody.
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Where were you last night
after midnight?
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Midnight? I couldn't sleep.
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Got a lot on my mind.
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So I went for a walk.
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You remember where?
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Around.
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How about we take a walk
around to the precinct
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and jog your memory?
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Lawyer.
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Do we have any evidence
that puts William Barnes
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and Derek Stanton together
on the morning of the murder?
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I've dug through every surveillance
video from the neighborhood.
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Tracked Barnes on his late night walk.
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He heads north on Avenue C
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in the general direction
of the pizzeria.
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He never crosses paths with Stanton.
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Do we have any video of him
actually near the pizzeria?
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This is him two blocks east.
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It's the closest he gets,
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and then he crosses the street
away from the pizzeria.
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What's that?
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Top right hand corner.
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Looks like a dude throwing something.
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What's he throwing,
like rocks or something?
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There's another camera
that should cover that corner.
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Dude's throwing rocks
right next to where
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Stanton got his window
broken that night.
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And now he's headed
straight for the pizzeria.
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Can you pull up the video
of the actual assault?
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Same body size,
same type of hoodie, sneakers.
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And if I'm not mistaken,
that's a ring on his finger.
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Just like the M.E. said.
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I think we might have our killer.
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Yup.
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Now we just got to find him.
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Looks like he made
his way down the street,
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and for some dumb-ass reason,
just kept throwing rocks.
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Yeah, Stanton must
have been in the pizzeria
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when the rock came through the window,
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chased the kid down, confronted him.
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Excuse me.
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- You work here nights?
- Yeah.
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You think you might have seen this young
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man around here a couple nights ago?
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Sorry, doesn't look familiar.
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Thanks.
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Yeah, I remember that kid.
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Came in the other night
just before we closed up.
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What time was that?
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- Um, midnight.
- You sure it's him?
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Yeah. Thought he was handsome.
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Did he buy anything?
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No, he didn't have a card,
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but his friend did.
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00:13:22,289 --> 00:13:24,333
You have a record of that transaction?
265
00:13:24,374 --> 00:13:27,127
Yeah, I could probably pull it up.
266
00:13:27,169 --> 00:13:30,714
You can drink it now?
267
00:13:30,756 --> 00:13:33,675
Kyle Brimmer.
268
00:13:33,717 --> 00:13:37,221
Let's start with who you were
with at the dispensary.
269
00:13:37,262 --> 00:13:40,390
Just to be clear, Kyle has
no knowledge of any crime.
270
00:13:40,432 --> 00:13:42,226
He was home in bed in his parents' condo
271
00:13:42,267 --> 00:13:43,852
an hour before the homicide.
272
00:13:43,894 --> 00:13:46,104
Yeah, we got that.
We saw the surveillance video.
273
00:13:46,146 --> 00:13:48,440
So right now, the only way
Kyle can get into trouble
274
00:13:48,482 --> 00:13:51,109
is by lying to us.
275
00:13:51,151 --> 00:13:53,904
So who were you with?
276
00:13:53,946 --> 00:13:55,280
Jesse Erickson.
277
00:13:55,322 --> 00:13:57,241
And how do you know Jesse?
278
00:13:57,282 --> 00:13:59,451
We're in the same class at Martindale.
279
00:13:59,493 --> 00:14:02,412
Martindale? The prep school?
280
00:14:02,454 --> 00:14:05,332
Why don't you walk us through
what you and Jesse did that night?
281
00:14:05,374 --> 00:14:07,751
Well, I just got my weed
card, so we wanted to...
282
00:14:07,793 --> 00:14:09,670
They're giving out
medical marijuana cards
283
00:14:09,711 --> 00:14:11,421
to prep school seniors now?
284
00:14:11,463 --> 00:14:14,258
My client has an exemption
for an anxiety disorder.
285
00:14:14,299 --> 00:14:15,968
Of course he does.
286
00:14:16,009 --> 00:14:17,928
So you and Jesse, you go downtown
287
00:14:17,970 --> 00:14:20,430
to buy some cannabis, what,
around, like, what, 11 o'clock?
288
00:14:20,472 --> 00:14:23,225
Yeah, Jesse wanted to get high.
289
00:14:23,267 --> 00:14:25,310
And he kept bugging me
to take him to a dispensary.
290
00:14:25,352 --> 00:14:27,729
So we bought some dabs.
291
00:14:27,771 --> 00:14:30,607
Concentrated hash oil.
292
00:14:30,649 --> 00:14:31,858
Then what?
293
00:14:31,900 --> 00:14:33,986
We went to some diner,
had a couple of burgers,
294
00:14:34,027 --> 00:14:35,279
and then I left.
295
00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:37,030
I took an Uber at 1:08 AM.
296
00:14:37,072 --> 00:14:38,740
I have the receipt.
297
00:14:38,782 --> 00:14:42,578
How about your boy, Jesse?
298
00:14:42,619 --> 00:14:45,873
Well, he didn't want to leave.
299
00:14:45,914 --> 00:14:50,210
He said he wanted to walk around
and explore the East Village.
300
00:14:50,252 --> 00:14:55,132
I told him to come with me,
but he sort of ran off.
301
00:14:55,173 --> 00:14:58,677
Ran off?
302
00:14:58,719 --> 00:15:00,637
Yeah.
303
00:15:00,679 --> 00:15:03,181
It was really weird.
304
00:15:05,851 --> 00:15:08,562
Jesse Erickson, 18 years old,
lives on the Upper East Side
305
00:15:08,604 --> 00:15:10,022
with his investment banker father
306
00:15:10,063 --> 00:15:11,481
and his book editor mother.
307
00:15:11,523 --> 00:15:13,525
He's a senior at Martindale.
308
00:15:13,567 --> 00:15:15,986
- Fancy.
- He's a star varsity athlete
309
00:15:16,028 --> 00:15:17,362
and in the top 10% of his class.
310
00:15:17,404 --> 00:15:19,323
Any discipline problems?
311
00:15:19,364 --> 00:15:21,491
No, he just won a citizenship award.
312
00:15:21,533 --> 00:15:23,952
Good kid, good family,
never been in any trouble.
313
00:15:23,994 --> 00:15:27,664
And yet he brutally beats
an ex-con to death?
314
00:15:27,706 --> 00:15:28,999
I don't know. Why?
315
00:15:29,041 --> 00:15:30,834
That is the million dollar question.
316
00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:35,839
OK, I'll call for a warrant.
317
00:15:35,881 --> 00:15:37,674
There's got to be some kind of mistake.
318
00:15:37,716 --> 00:15:39,885
Mr. Erickson, just tell us
if Jesse is here or not.
319
00:15:39,927 --> 00:15:41,762
Jesse is a kind and lovely boy.
320
00:15:41,803 --> 00:15:43,180
You can ask anyone.
321
00:15:43,222 --> 00:15:44,973
We need to speak with Jesse now.
322
00:15:45,015 --> 00:15:47,351
Well, you can't treat him
like he's some common criminal.
323
00:15:47,392 --> 00:15:48,727
We're treating him like he's a suspect
324
00:15:48,769 --> 00:15:50,812
in a murder investigation.
325
00:15:50,854 --> 00:15:54,024
Sounds like he's down here.
326
00:15:54,066 --> 00:15:56,443
Young man, will you stand up please?
327
00:15:56,485 --> 00:15:58,570
Stand up.
Put your hands behind your back.
328
00:15:58,612 --> 00:15:59,696
- Wait, wait, wait, wait.
- Jesse Erickson,
329
00:15:59,738 --> 00:16:01,365
we're placing you
under arrest for murder.
330
00:16:01,406 --> 00:16:02,866
- Hold on, hold on.
- Do what they say, son.
331
00:16:02,908 --> 00:16:04,835
And don't say a word,
no matter what they tell you
332
00:16:04,860 --> 00:16:06,870
- or promise you.
- What happened to your hand?
333
00:16:06,912 --> 00:16:09,122
- So me and my buddy...
- Don't answer that.
334
00:16:09,164 --> 00:16:10,958
Dad, help me!
335
00:16:10,999 --> 00:16:12,334
I will.
336
00:16:12,376 --> 00:16:13,669
Now, remember, don't say a word.
337
00:16:13,710 --> 00:16:15,170
Let's go.
338
00:16:19,550 --> 00:16:21,552
Calling docket ending in 9710,
339
00:16:21,593 --> 00:16:23,262
People versus Jesse Erickson,
340
00:16:23,303 --> 00:16:25,389
charged with murder
in the second degree.
341
00:16:25,430 --> 00:16:28,141
I'll hear you on bail, Ms. Maroun?
342
00:16:28,183 --> 00:16:32,980
This was a brutal, unprovoked
attack on a defenseless man.
343
00:16:33,021 --> 00:16:34,565
The defendant threw a rock,
344
00:16:34,606 --> 00:16:37,359
smashing Derek Stanton's
pizza shop window.
345
00:16:37,401 --> 00:16:40,487
When confronted about it,
the defendant reacted
346
00:16:40,529 --> 00:16:42,906
by beating Derek Stanton to death
347
00:16:42,948 --> 00:16:44,366
with his bare hands.
348
00:16:44,408 --> 00:16:47,703
He's facing life in prison,
has tremendous resources,
349
00:16:47,744 --> 00:16:50,789
and has every incentive
to flee the jurisdiction.
350
00:16:50,831 --> 00:16:52,708
The People submit that no amount of bail
351
00:16:52,749 --> 00:16:54,293
will secure his appearance at trial.
352
00:16:54,334 --> 00:16:55,836
We're seeking remand.
353
00:16:55,878 --> 00:16:57,337
Mr. Thorpe.
354
00:16:57,379 --> 00:16:59,423
Holding my client without bail
355
00:16:59,464 --> 00:17:01,300
is completely uncalled for.
356
00:17:01,341 --> 00:17:03,427
My client is a high school student
357
00:17:03,468 --> 00:17:05,220
with no criminal history,
358
00:17:05,262 --> 00:17:07,180
which is more than I can say
for Mr. Stanton.
359
00:17:07,222 --> 00:17:09,141
Well, the People have a strong case.
360
00:17:09,182 --> 00:17:11,226
The attack was captured on video.
361
00:17:11,268 --> 00:17:13,770
A portion of the attack was captured.
362
00:17:13,812 --> 00:17:15,939
Mr. Erickson was in an
unfamiliar neighborhood
363
00:17:15,981 --> 00:17:18,066
when he came upon a criminal
364
00:17:18,108 --> 00:17:19,943
who confronted and threatened him.
365
00:17:19,985 --> 00:17:22,321
He panicked and he fought back.
366
00:17:22,362 --> 00:17:24,907
And we expect a full
exoneration at trial.
367
00:17:24,948 --> 00:17:27,701
I'd also point out that
Mr. Erickson is a valued member
368
00:17:27,743 --> 00:17:29,328
of his community.
369
00:17:29,369 --> 00:17:32,998
His parents are here, his classmates,
370
00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:35,626
his teammates, his minister.
371
00:17:35,667 --> 00:17:39,796
OK, I'm setting a $2 million cash bail.
372
00:17:39,838 --> 00:17:41,965
His parents will post forthwith.
373
00:17:43,175 --> 00:17:45,135
Next case please.
374
00:17:52,684 --> 00:17:54,394
They're making my dad out
to be a monster.
375
00:17:54,436 --> 00:17:56,688
Well, it's just a legal tactic, OK?
376
00:17:56,730 --> 00:17:59,399
- It doesn't mean anything.
- It does to me.
377
00:17:59,441 --> 00:18:01,818
My dad was the victim.
They called him a criminal.
378
00:18:01,860 --> 00:18:04,321
It's what lawyers do.
379
00:18:04,363 --> 00:18:06,490
He was trying to turn his life around,
380
00:18:06,532 --> 00:18:09,409
be a better person, a better dad.
381
00:18:09,451 --> 00:18:12,329
I know this must be hard.
382
00:18:12,371 --> 00:18:17,251
Losing a family member
is a pain like no other.
383
00:18:18,877 --> 00:18:21,755
It just never goes away.
384
00:18:26,260 --> 00:18:30,389
His family can buy his way out of this.
385
00:18:30,430 --> 00:18:33,892
Who's going to stand up
for my family, for my dad?
386
00:18:33,934 --> 00:18:36,520
I will. I promise.
387
00:18:36,562 --> 00:18:38,897
I'm... I'm going to do everything I can
388
00:18:38,939 --> 00:18:41,567
to honor his memory.
389
00:18:59,167 --> 00:19:01,336
Nice. What's the occasion?
390
00:19:01,378 --> 00:19:04,556
Oh, it's the anniversary
391
00:19:04,581 --> 00:19:07,301
of my sister's death.
392
00:19:07,342 --> 00:19:09,386
Oh, I'm sorry.
393
00:19:09,428 --> 00:19:11,555
It's OK.
394
00:19:11,597 --> 00:19:13,265
Yeah, every... every year,
395
00:19:13,307 --> 00:19:15,726
my parents send me yellow roses.
396
00:19:15,767 --> 00:19:18,437
It was her favorite flower.
397
00:19:18,478 --> 00:19:20,063
That's nice.
398
00:19:20,105 --> 00:19:22,024
Yeah.
399
00:19:22,065 --> 00:19:24,818
So it definitely looks like
400
00:19:24,860 --> 00:19:27,154
Erickson is going to claim self-defense.
401
00:19:27,196 --> 00:19:28,906
It makes sense.
402
00:19:28,947 --> 00:19:32,159
Derek Stanton was poor.
He had a criminal record.
403
00:19:32,201 --> 00:19:34,953
They'll push the narrative that
he was obviously the aggressor.
404
00:19:34,995 --> 00:19:36,330
It had to be, right?
405
00:19:36,371 --> 00:19:39,666
I mean, he's an ex-con, sold marijuana.
406
00:19:39,708 --> 00:19:41,084
How evil.
407
00:19:41,126 --> 00:19:42,628
And of course, he's Black, so...
408
00:19:42,669 --> 00:19:44,129
Right, I get it.
409
00:19:44,171 --> 00:19:47,174
There are a lot of unanswered
questions here, though.
410
00:19:47,216 --> 00:19:51,178
High school kid, great grades,
great reputation,
411
00:19:51,220 --> 00:19:54,014
no history of violence,
crosses paths with a felon.
412
00:19:54,056 --> 00:19:56,683
A felon? He's a victim.
413
00:19:56,725 --> 00:19:59,311
No, I understand, Sam.
I'm just stating a fact.
414
00:19:59,353 --> 00:20:02,272
Question is, can we prove murder two?
415
00:20:02,314 --> 00:20:04,441
Show that it was an intentional act,
416
00:20:04,483 --> 00:20:07,903
or was it something else,
a fistfight, mutual combatants?
417
00:20:07,945 --> 00:20:09,321
Not sure just yet.
418
00:20:09,363 --> 00:20:12,032
We need to figure out motive first
419
00:20:12,074 --> 00:20:15,452
or offer a plea to a reduced charge.
420
00:20:15,494 --> 00:20:17,496
- Man one?
- Plead him out?
421
00:20:17,538 --> 00:20:18,997
Just like that?
422
00:20:19,039 --> 00:20:20,415
Well, unless more evidence drops,
423
00:20:20,457 --> 00:20:22,209
this is going to be
a tough case to prove.
424
00:20:22,251 --> 00:20:25,170
Why? Because the defendant
is a rich white kid?
425
00:20:25,212 --> 00:20:26,713
Excuse me?
426
00:20:26,755 --> 00:20:28,799
If a poor Black kid beat
the hell out of Stanton, then...
427
00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:31,343
Then we'd still need to prove motive.
428
00:20:31,385 --> 00:20:34,012
And that's not what happened.
A rich white kid did it.
429
00:20:34,054 --> 00:20:36,557
And right or wrong, fair or unfair,
430
00:20:36,598 --> 00:20:38,183
that's the case we're trying.
431
00:20:38,225 --> 00:20:41,061
I understand,
but Ms. Maroun has a point.
432
00:20:41,103 --> 00:20:42,729
Even though the facts are confusing,
433
00:20:42,771 --> 00:20:45,524
we need to be aware of the optics.
434
00:20:45,566 --> 00:20:46,692
Fine.
435
00:20:46,733 --> 00:20:49,027
I'll press forward with murder two.
436
00:20:49,069 --> 00:20:51,196
Good. But get ready for the defense.
437
00:20:51,238 --> 00:20:53,517
They're going to attack
the victim's character,
438
00:20:53,542 --> 00:20:57,494
blame him for his own murder,
so you'll need to counteract that.
439
00:20:57,536 --> 00:21:01,331
Find some way to level
the playing field.
440
00:21:13,093 --> 00:21:15,053
The people would like
to call character witnesses
441
00:21:15,095 --> 00:21:16,680
on behalf of Derek Stanton.
442
00:21:16,722 --> 00:21:17,848
The victim?
443
00:21:17,890 --> 00:21:19,224
Yes, to demonstrate that he was
444
00:21:19,266 --> 00:21:22,185
a peaceful, hardworking
member of his community,
445
00:21:22,227 --> 00:21:24,897
far different from the way
the defense is trying to portray him.
446
00:21:24,938 --> 00:21:27,900
Your Honor, Rule 4.11 allows a defendant
447
00:21:27,941 --> 00:21:29,735
to call character witnesses,
not the victim.
448
00:21:29,776 --> 00:21:31,695
But there's nothing in the rules
449
00:21:31,737 --> 00:21:33,238
that specifically precludes it.
450
00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:35,782
Nice try, Mr. Price,
but I agree with Mr. Thorpe.
451
00:21:35,824 --> 00:21:39,089
If you want to change the rules,
take it up with the state legislature.
452
00:21:40,787 --> 00:21:43,123
Thank you, Your Honor.
453
00:21:43,165 --> 00:21:45,459
Defense's witness list is unbelievable.
454
00:21:45,500 --> 00:21:47,252
There's a federal judge?
455
00:21:47,294 --> 00:21:50,756
The CEO of a Fortune 500 company,
456
00:21:50,797 --> 00:21:52,758
the head of a charitable foundation?
457
00:21:52,799 --> 00:21:56,178
All nine of these character witnesses
are incredibly impressive.
458
00:21:56,220 --> 00:21:57,512
That's what the wealthy do
459
00:21:57,554 --> 00:21:59,181
when their backs are up
against the wall.
460
00:21:59,223 --> 00:22:03,101
They band together, protect their own.
461
00:22:03,143 --> 00:22:06,271
Well, that may be true,
but the question remains.
462
00:22:06,313 --> 00:22:08,941
Why did Jesse Erickson,
who, by all accounts,
463
00:22:08,982 --> 00:22:11,985
was a good kid, rich or not,
464
00:22:12,027 --> 00:22:14,655
suddenly decide to beat
a stranger to death?
465
00:22:14,696 --> 00:22:15,864
I don't know.
466
00:22:15,906 --> 00:22:17,282
And legally, it doesn't really matter.
467
00:22:17,324 --> 00:22:19,618
Uh, no, I'm not so sure about that, Sam.
468
00:22:19,660 --> 00:22:21,787
If we don't know what
precipitated the fight...
469
00:22:21,828 --> 00:22:23,956
It was an attack, not a fight.
470
00:22:23,997 --> 00:22:25,249
You saw the video.
471
00:22:25,290 --> 00:22:27,125
But we don't know what happened before,
472
00:22:27,167 --> 00:22:28,544
and that's relevant.
473
00:22:28,585 --> 00:22:30,170
The jury's going to want
to know the full picture.
474
00:22:30,212 --> 00:22:31,797
I understand, and we'll keep looking,
475
00:22:31,838 --> 00:22:36,176
but for now, since we can't
explain why Erickson did it,
476
00:22:36,218 --> 00:22:39,513
let's focus on the horror
of what he actually did.
477
00:22:42,558 --> 00:22:46,061
Mr. Stanton had
a shattered occipital bone.
478
00:22:46,103 --> 00:22:47,980
That's the bone
that's in the back of the head
479
00:22:48,021 --> 00:22:50,232
that connects to the cervical spine.
480
00:22:50,274 --> 00:22:52,859
It essentially protects the brain.
481
00:22:52,901 --> 00:22:55,153
He also had several
other broken bones...
482
00:22:55,195 --> 00:22:59,366
His nose, his eye socket, his jaw.
483
00:22:59,408 --> 00:23:02,369
Did you make a ruling
as to the cause of death?
484
00:23:02,411 --> 00:23:05,330
Cranial cerebral trauma so severe
485
00:23:05,372 --> 00:23:08,959
that the brain hemorrhaged
and flooded with blood.
486
00:23:11,545 --> 00:23:14,882
Were there wounds
on Mr. Stanton's torso?
487
00:23:14,923 --> 00:23:16,758
He had three broken ribs.
488
00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:19,928
Did you form an opinion as to
how he sustained those wounds?
489
00:23:19,970 --> 00:23:23,015
Mr. Stanton had been kicked four times.
490
00:23:23,056 --> 00:23:25,058
I have nothing further.
491
00:23:26,727 --> 00:23:29,646
We've all seen the video of
the fight and the crime scene
492
00:23:29,688 --> 00:23:33,609
photos, but you don't know why
my client had an altercation
493
00:23:33,650 --> 00:23:35,068
with Mr. Stanton, do you?
494
00:23:35,110 --> 00:23:36,862
No, I have no idea.
495
00:23:36,904 --> 00:23:39,656
So you don't know if my
client was protecting himself.
496
00:23:39,698 --> 00:23:41,366
I don't.
497
00:23:41,408 --> 00:23:43,827
Thank you.
498
00:23:43,869 --> 00:23:46,538
Were there any scrapes or bruises
499
00:23:46,580 --> 00:23:49,958
on Mr. Stanton's fists,
on his palms, on his forearms?
500
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:51,376
No.
501
00:23:51,418 --> 00:23:53,545
Any wounds which suggest
he was the aggressor?
502
00:23:53,587 --> 00:23:55,088
Nothing like that.
503
00:23:55,130 --> 00:23:57,591
And there was no indication
he had a weapon of any kind?
504
00:23:57,633 --> 00:23:59,051
Correct.
505
00:23:59,092 --> 00:24:01,345
And Mr. Stanton was 2 inches shorter
506
00:24:01,386 --> 00:24:04,514
and 40 pounds lighter
than the defendant?
507
00:24:04,556 --> 00:24:05,849
That's true.
508
00:24:05,891 --> 00:24:07,392
And no drugs in Mr. Stanton's system?
509
00:24:07,434 --> 00:24:09,770
Toxicology was negative for alcohol
510
00:24:09,811 --> 00:24:11,647
and controlled substances.
511
00:24:11,688 --> 00:24:13,774
Nothing further.
512
00:24:20,864 --> 00:24:22,741
The M.E. did a good job,
513
00:24:22,783 --> 00:24:25,702
but I think we still need
a few more witnesses
514
00:24:25,744 --> 00:24:28,372
to help offset the self-defense claim.
515
00:24:28,413 --> 00:24:30,582
- Like who?
- Not sure.
516
00:24:30,624 --> 00:24:32,501
Someone who can speak
to his state of mind
517
00:24:32,543 --> 00:24:35,754
prior to his death, someone who
can say he was in a good mood,
518
00:24:35,796 --> 00:24:38,840
he was focused on the
opening of his pizzeria.
519
00:24:38,882 --> 00:24:40,342
Well, I'll look into it.
520
00:24:40,384 --> 00:24:44,263
But if you ask me, I think
the M.E. pretty much destroyed
521
00:24:44,304 --> 00:24:46,723
their self-defense argument.
522
00:24:46,765 --> 00:24:48,517
We still have no idea why
this kid killed Stanton.
523
00:24:49,726 --> 00:24:51,478
Whole thing still
doesn't make any sense.
524
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:55,107
Defense just changed their plea.
525
00:24:55,148 --> 00:24:57,442
Their plea? To what?
526
00:24:57,484 --> 00:24:59,987
Not guilty by reason of mental defect.
527
00:25:00,028 --> 00:25:01,572
He's claiming insanity?
528
00:25:01,613 --> 00:25:03,615
They're alleging Jesse Erickson
529
00:25:03,657 --> 00:25:06,702
had a mental impairment
when he killed Derek Stanton.
530
00:25:06,743 --> 00:25:07,953
What's the impairment?
531
00:25:07,995 --> 00:25:10,455
Cannabis intoxication.
532
00:25:10,497 --> 00:25:13,750
They're using marijuana
as the basis for a...
533
00:25:13,792 --> 00:25:16,670
For an insanity defense?
534
00:25:24,219 --> 00:25:26,530
I understand you'd like
to change your plea.
535
00:25:26,555 --> 00:25:28,390
We plan to present evidence
that my client
536
00:25:28,432 --> 00:25:30,225
was in the throes of a psychotic episode
537
00:25:30,267 --> 00:25:32,237
the night of Mr. Stanton's death.
538
00:25:32,262 --> 00:25:35,022
My client went to a dispensary
earlier and bought cannabis.
539
00:25:35,063 --> 00:25:36,800
Yeah, something
you've gone out of your way
540
00:25:36,825 --> 00:25:38,317
to denigrate Mr. Stanton for doing.
541
00:25:38,358 --> 00:25:40,986
We denigrated him for selling
it, for committing a felony.
542
00:25:41,028 --> 00:25:42,487
Regardless,
543
00:25:42,529 --> 00:25:45,240
if the defendant voluntarily
ingested an intoxicant,
544
00:25:45,282 --> 00:25:48,285
he can't turn around now
and claim insanity.
545
00:25:48,327 --> 00:25:51,413
My client didn't understand how potent
this dose of cannabis was.
546
00:25:51,455 --> 00:25:53,415
No idea what it could do to him.
547
00:25:53,457 --> 00:25:55,626
That means his consumption
wasn't voluntary.
548
00:25:55,667 --> 00:25:57,252
I've never seen a claim of insanity
549
00:25:57,294 --> 00:25:58,754
based on marijuana usage.
550
00:25:58,795 --> 00:26:00,839
Do you have any science to back that up?
551
00:26:00,881 --> 00:26:03,258
Data from medical journals
detailing the frequency
552
00:26:03,300 --> 00:26:05,093
of cannabis-induced psychosis
553
00:26:05,135 --> 00:26:07,012
and a board-certified psychiatrist
554
00:26:07,054 --> 00:26:08,847
who will testify that my client was
555
00:26:08,889 --> 00:26:10,515
in the midst of such a psychosis
556
00:26:10,557 --> 00:26:13,352
when he came across Mr. Stanton.
557
00:26:13,393 --> 00:26:15,646
Well, if that's your case
that you present,
558
00:26:15,687 --> 00:26:16,813
I'm OK with it.
559
00:26:16,855 --> 00:26:19,107
I'll grant the defendant's request.
560
00:26:19,149 --> 00:26:21,248
And the People can call their own expert
561
00:26:21,273 --> 00:26:24,655
to interview the defendant
and challenge the findings.
562
00:26:24,696 --> 00:26:26,740
I've researched the potency of the THC
563
00:26:26,782 --> 00:26:28,992
he claims to have ingested,
and I met with the defendant
564
00:26:29,034 --> 00:26:32,496
for approximately two hours,
got a full medical history,
565
00:26:32,538 --> 00:26:34,748
and it's scientifically
possible that the cannabis
566
00:26:34,790 --> 00:26:37,125
caused him to experience
irrational thoughts
567
00:26:37,167 --> 00:26:39,211
and paranoid delusions.
568
00:26:39,253 --> 00:26:40,963
Possible that pot can
569
00:26:41,004 --> 00:26:42,839
make someone kill another human being?
570
00:26:42,881 --> 00:26:44,299
It sounds farfetched.
571
00:26:44,341 --> 00:26:46,343
But we're talking about pot.
572
00:26:46,385 --> 00:26:48,554
This sure as hell isn't
the pot I grew up with.
573
00:26:48,595 --> 00:26:52,474
Back in the '90s, the THC level
in marijuana was below 2%.
574
00:26:52,516 --> 00:26:54,059
Now?
575
00:26:54,101 --> 00:26:58,313
Some dispensaries are selling
dabs that are 80% or 90% THC.
576
00:26:58,355 --> 00:27:01,400
Put that in a vape and smoke it?
577
00:27:01,441 --> 00:27:05,404
It can absolutely trigger
a psychotic episode.
578
00:27:05,445 --> 00:27:08,782
If I'm being honest,
he seemed like a good kid
579
00:27:08,824 --> 00:27:12,995
who smoked some really strong marijuana
580
00:27:13,036 --> 00:27:16,039
and lost his damn mind.
581
00:27:19,751 --> 00:27:23,380
So you want to concede that
he had an altered mental state
582
00:27:23,422 --> 00:27:26,008
- and reduce the charges?
- It makes sense to me.
583
00:27:26,049 --> 00:27:27,175
Not to me.
584
00:27:27,217 --> 00:27:29,803
He literally beat Stanton to death.
585
00:27:29,845 --> 00:27:33,682
Each punch required independent
thought and movement.
586
00:27:33,724 --> 00:27:36,685
High or not, his acts
were still intentional.
587
00:27:36,727 --> 00:27:38,937
Intentional? Our own doctor
believes the defendant
588
00:27:38,979 --> 00:27:40,480
was in a psychotic state.
589
00:27:40,522 --> 00:27:43,317
Not only that,
he ingested the pot legally.
590
00:27:43,358 --> 00:27:47,112
The legal age is 21, not 18,
and for good reason.
591
00:27:47,154 --> 00:27:50,365
The teenage brain
is more susceptible to THC.
592
00:27:50,407 --> 00:27:51,658
Well, you're making my point.
593
00:27:51,700 --> 00:27:54,995
No, Erickson knew he was underage.
594
00:27:55,037 --> 00:27:57,414
That means he assumed the risk.
595
00:27:57,456 --> 00:27:59,708
Technically, yes, I suppose,
but come on, Jack.
596
00:27:59,750 --> 00:28:01,877
No one on the jury views marijuana
597
00:28:01,919 --> 00:28:03,712
as an illicit drug anymore.
598
00:28:03,754 --> 00:28:06,798
Man two is the appropriate charge.
599
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:09,218
You saw those autopsy photos, Nolan.
600
00:28:09,259 --> 00:28:11,261
He pummeled that man to death.
601
00:28:11,303 --> 00:28:13,263
We can't just give this guy
a slap on the wrist.
602
00:28:13,305 --> 00:28:17,601
We're not suggesting that we do.
I'll recommend a minimum of 10 years.
603
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:24,233
We're not pleading him out
to man two, not yet anyway.
604
00:28:28,153 --> 00:28:30,072
OK.
605
00:28:30,113 --> 00:28:34,784
If that's what you want to do,
I think Sam should take over.
606
00:28:35,285 --> 00:28:39,659
I'll... I'll sit second chair.
I'll support her as best I can.
607
00:28:40,415 --> 00:28:42,918
I don't see murder two here.
608
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:44,211
I just don't.
609
00:28:44,253 --> 00:28:46,171
But you do.
610
00:28:52,803 --> 00:28:54,388
Are you good with that?
611
00:28:54,429 --> 00:28:57,099
Yes, absolutely.
612
00:29:07,901 --> 00:29:12,364
Tell the jurors what happened the night
of Mr. Stanton's death.
613
00:29:12,406 --> 00:29:15,450
My friend, Kyle, he has a cannabis card.
614
00:29:15,492 --> 00:29:18,662
So it means he can
legally buy marijuana.
615
00:29:18,704 --> 00:29:21,081
So we went to a dispensary
down on the Lower East Side.
616
00:29:21,123 --> 00:29:22,958
Did your friend buy marijuana?
617
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:24,126
Yes.
618
00:29:24,167 --> 00:29:25,961
Did you partake?
619
00:29:26,003 --> 00:29:27,421
Yes.
620
00:29:27,462 --> 00:29:29,965
And did you ever smoke
or eat pot before that night?
621
00:29:30,007 --> 00:29:31,383
Yes.
622
00:29:31,425 --> 00:29:33,093
But it wasn't anything like this.
623
00:29:33,135 --> 00:29:35,304
Can you describe your experience?
624
00:29:35,345 --> 00:29:37,180
So I started seeing things
625
00:29:37,222 --> 00:29:39,099
that, like, weren't actually there.
626
00:29:39,141 --> 00:29:41,894
And I just felt like
everybody was threatening me.
627
00:29:41,935 --> 00:29:43,979
Is that why you started throwing rocks?
628
00:29:44,021 --> 00:29:45,397
Yes.
629
00:29:45,439 --> 00:29:47,482
Do you remember meeting Mr. Stanton?
630
00:29:47,524 --> 00:29:50,193
Yes, I threw a rock at his store.
631
00:29:50,235 --> 00:29:52,196
It's a pizza place.
632
00:29:52,237 --> 00:29:54,156
And it shattered the glass.
633
00:29:54,198 --> 00:29:55,365
What did Mr. Stanton do?
634
00:29:55,407 --> 00:29:57,951
He came out, trying to talk to me.
635
00:29:57,993 --> 00:30:01,997
But I walked away,
and, uh, he ran after me.
636
00:30:02,039 --> 00:30:03,457
You felt threatened?
637
00:30:03,498 --> 00:30:04,875
Objection, leading.
638
00:30:04,917 --> 00:30:06,668
Sustained.
639
00:30:06,710 --> 00:30:08,837
Tell the jurors how you felt.
640
00:30:08,879 --> 00:30:10,422
OK.
641
00:30:10,464 --> 00:30:13,550
I thought Mr. Stanton was...
Was going to kill me.
642
00:30:13,592 --> 00:30:17,492
And now I know that that's not true,
643
00:30:17,517 --> 00:30:21,892
but at the time, like, in the moment,
it felt super real, like very real.
644
00:30:21,934 --> 00:30:24,394
So I hit him.
645
00:30:29,066 --> 00:30:30,359
Thank you.
646
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:32,486
Nothing further.
647
00:30:49,127 --> 00:30:52,005
You didn't just hit him.
648
00:30:52,047 --> 00:30:54,675
You beat him to death.
649
00:30:54,716 --> 00:30:57,427
I feel awful, all right?
650
00:30:57,469 --> 00:30:59,471
I'm so sorry for everything I've done.
651
00:30:59,513 --> 00:31:02,432
I'm so sorry for the pain
that I've caused my family
652
00:31:02,474 --> 00:31:04,142
and Mr. Stanton's family.
653
00:31:04,184 --> 00:31:05,978
And up until this very moment,
654
00:31:06,019 --> 00:31:08,438
you've never expressed
a shred of remorse
655
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:10,732
for what you've done.
656
00:31:10,774 --> 00:31:13,735
That's 'cause my lawyer
and my dad told me not to.
657
00:31:13,777 --> 00:31:17,322
Oh, so you're blaming this
on your father and...
658
00:31:17,364 --> 00:31:18,782
- No. No.
- Lawyer?
659
00:31:18,824 --> 00:31:20,821
See, that's not what I'm saying. I'm
660
00:31:20,845 --> 00:31:22,536
saying I'm a... I'm not a bad person.
661
00:31:22,578 --> 00:31:24,788
Not a bad person?
662
00:31:30,836 --> 00:31:32,838
Yeah.
663
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,424
Yeah, I wish I could take it back.
664
00:31:35,465 --> 00:31:37,384
I'd do anything to have that night back.
665
00:31:37,426 --> 00:31:39,511
But you can't.
666
00:31:39,553 --> 00:31:42,306
That's not how the world works.
667
00:31:42,347 --> 00:31:44,683
You did what you did.
668
00:31:44,725 --> 00:31:49,062
And now a good man, an innocent
man is dead and buried,
669
00:31:49,104 --> 00:31:51,440
- and his family is grieving.
- Objection.
670
00:31:51,481 --> 00:31:54,943
Sustained. Watch it, Ms. Maroun.
671
00:32:05,537 --> 00:32:08,081
And after you brutally
murdered Mr. Stanton,
672
00:32:08,123 --> 00:32:10,792
you went to great lengths to
cover your tracks, didn't you?
673
00:32:10,834 --> 00:32:12,085
Look, I don't know what you mean.
674
00:32:12,127 --> 00:32:14,087
Yeah, you went to a hospital
to get treatment.
675
00:32:14,129 --> 00:32:16,298
You paid out of pocket
so it wouldn't be reflected
676
00:32:16,340 --> 00:32:17,633
in your insurance claim.
677
00:32:17,674 --> 00:32:18,759
See, that was my family's decision.
678
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:20,886
Yes, I know. It's all their fault.
679
00:32:20,928 --> 00:32:22,304
Please.
680
00:32:22,346 --> 00:32:26,975
I'm so sorry for what I did.
681
00:32:27,017 --> 00:32:29,519
I'm so sorry.
682
00:32:29,561 --> 00:32:33,065
I'm so sorry.
683
00:32:33,106 --> 00:32:35,776
I'm so sorry.
684
00:32:41,823 --> 00:32:44,576
That's all I have for this witness.
685
00:32:58,715 --> 00:33:00,175
Went too far, didn't I?
686
00:33:00,217 --> 00:33:01,885
No, not necessarily.
687
00:33:01,927 --> 00:33:05,973
I think we still have
a few jurors in our corner.
688
00:33:15,232 --> 00:33:16,875
You're doing great.
689
00:33:16,900 --> 00:33:18,277
Be honest.
690
00:33:18,318 --> 00:33:19,611
I am.
691
00:33:19,653 --> 00:33:21,655
You are doing great.
692
00:33:21,697 --> 00:33:24,366
But the facts are the facts.
693
00:33:24,408 --> 00:33:26,410
No matter how well you present the case,
694
00:33:26,451 --> 00:33:28,453
the jury is going to want to know why
695
00:33:28,495 --> 00:33:30,998
the defendant had such
a violent outburst
696
00:33:31,039 --> 00:33:33,458
and killed another human being.
697
00:33:33,500 --> 00:33:38,164
And, well, unless we can give
them an understandable motive,
698
00:33:39,089 --> 00:33:42,217
I don't see us getting
a conviction on murder two.
699
00:33:42,259 --> 00:33:44,303
Last time I tell you to be honest.
700
00:33:44,344 --> 00:33:46,763
Does that mean you agree?
701
00:33:46,805 --> 00:33:50,183
That we need to offer up
additional information
702
00:33:50,225 --> 00:33:52,769
or find some sort of reason
for Erickson's violence?
703
00:33:52,811 --> 00:33:54,438
Yes, absolutely.
704
00:33:54,479 --> 00:33:56,523
And I've been looking for one, but...
705
00:33:56,565 --> 00:34:00,193
You know, it occurred to me
when Erickson was on the stand
706
00:34:00,235 --> 00:34:04,114
that neither he nor his lawyer
have talked about college.
707
00:34:04,156 --> 00:34:06,200
- What do you mean?
- He's a high school senior.
708
00:34:06,241 --> 00:34:08,368
He's a great student, talented athlete
709
00:34:08,410 --> 00:34:11,788
from a wealthy, educated family.
710
00:34:11,830 --> 00:34:14,708
For a kid like Jesse Erickson
not to be on his way
711
00:34:14,750 --> 00:34:18,003
to some sort of elite college,
it doesn't make sense.
712
00:34:18,045 --> 00:34:20,255
Has to be a reason.
713
00:34:25,510 --> 00:34:27,054
He was accepted early at Brown,
714
00:34:27,095 --> 00:34:28,972
but decided to take a gap year.
715
00:34:29,014 --> 00:34:30,515
To do what?
716
00:34:30,557 --> 00:34:32,309
He's enlisted in a youth volunteer group
717
00:34:32,351 --> 00:34:33,977
to build a school in Kenya.
718
00:34:34,019 --> 00:34:35,229
Kenya?
719
00:34:35,270 --> 00:34:38,315
That's the plan... Or it was the plan.
720
00:34:38,357 --> 00:34:41,151
So he's never been in trouble?
721
00:34:41,193 --> 00:34:42,986
Suspended, discipline?
722
00:34:43,028 --> 00:34:44,696
Not to my knowledge.
723
00:34:44,738 --> 00:34:46,907
Ever shown signs of violence?
724
00:34:46,949 --> 00:34:49,576
Not that I'm aware of.
725
00:34:49,618 --> 00:34:52,204
Has he ever expressed racist thoughts
726
00:34:52,246 --> 00:34:54,873
and shown bias against people of color?
727
00:34:54,915 --> 00:34:56,375
No.
728
00:34:56,416 --> 00:34:59,127
I'm telling you, he's a good kid.
729
00:34:59,169 --> 00:35:01,004
I've been his advisor
since freshman year.
730
00:35:01,046 --> 00:35:03,549
So he's perfect?
That's what you're saying?
731
00:35:03,590 --> 00:35:06,468
He just runs around,
getting straight As,
732
00:35:06,510 --> 00:35:09,263
playing football,
winning citizenship awards,
733
00:35:09,304 --> 00:35:12,933
and then one night, out of the
blue, he beats a man to death?
734
00:35:12,975 --> 00:35:14,977
It was the cannabis.
735
00:35:15,018 --> 00:35:18,897
That's the only thing that makes sense.
736
00:35:18,939 --> 00:35:22,234
I don't understand all your anger.
737
00:35:22,276 --> 00:35:26,613
Why are you hell bent
on ruining Jesse's life?
738
00:35:34,413 --> 00:35:36,123
You should have heard this guy.
739
00:35:36,164 --> 00:35:39,793
He... he made Erickson
out to be a saint.
740
00:35:39,835 --> 00:35:42,754
He turned it around,
started pointing fingers at me
741
00:35:42,796 --> 00:35:47,134
like I have some personal vendetta
against Erickson.
742
00:35:54,474 --> 00:35:57,144
What? What are you...
743
00:35:59,563 --> 00:36:01,773
OK.
744
00:36:01,815 --> 00:36:04,985
I have wondered the same thing.
745
00:36:07,571 --> 00:36:09,698
From the second we charged this kid,
746
00:36:09,740 --> 00:36:12,701
you've been convinced
that he's a monster
747
00:36:12,743 --> 00:36:13,952
in spite of the evidence.
748
00:36:13,994 --> 00:36:15,621
The evidence?
749
00:36:15,662 --> 00:36:18,707
He bludgeoned a man to death
with his fists.
750
00:36:18,749 --> 00:36:20,459
I mean, those were the most
751
00:36:20,500 --> 00:36:22,878
horrific crime scene photos
I have ever seen.
752
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:27,674
I agree, which is why we
brought the murder two charge.
753
00:36:27,716 --> 00:36:30,469
But...
754
00:36:30,510 --> 00:36:33,764
the evidence no longer backs
our original theory,
755
00:36:33,805 --> 00:36:36,642
and we're losing the jury.
756
00:36:36,683 --> 00:36:38,852
Manslaughter is still a serious charge.
757
00:36:38,894 --> 00:36:41,355
Like I said before,
we can recommend 10 years.
758
00:36:41,396 --> 00:36:45,359
That's not enough, not for what he did.
759
00:36:51,031 --> 00:36:53,992
I'm not a psychiatrist, but...
760
00:36:54,034 --> 00:36:55,869
is there a chance this has something
761
00:36:55,911 --> 00:36:57,871
to do with your sister?
762
00:36:59,498 --> 00:37:01,667
You know, OK, I'm...
I'm sorry to even...
763
00:37:01,708 --> 00:37:04,503
You... you think I'm trying
to blame Jesse Erickson
764
00:37:04,545 --> 00:37:06,421
for what happened to my sister?
765
00:37:06,463 --> 00:37:09,883
No, not consciously,
but there is a resemblance,
766
00:37:09,925 --> 00:37:12,844
on paper anyway, between him and...
767
00:37:12,886 --> 00:37:15,806
And the young man who...
768
00:37:19,601 --> 00:37:23,647
OK, I'm wrong.
769
00:37:23,689 --> 00:37:26,567
I'm sorry for even bringing it up.
770
00:37:32,072 --> 00:37:34,741
I'm just trying to help, Sam.
771
00:37:37,619 --> 00:37:40,122
I know.
772
00:37:55,095 --> 00:37:57,890
Breakfast on a work day?
773
00:37:57,931 --> 00:38:00,350
Oh.
774
00:38:00,392 --> 00:38:02,311
It's been a while.
775
00:38:02,352 --> 00:38:05,355
Just thought I'd come by, say hello.
776
00:38:05,397 --> 00:38:07,566
I'm thrilled.
777
00:38:07,608 --> 00:38:10,402
And thanks for bringing
the fresh croissants.
778
00:38:23,916 --> 00:38:28,754
I thought it'd get easier.
779
00:38:28,795 --> 00:38:31,215
It doesn't.
780
00:38:31,256 --> 00:38:34,801
It's an ache that will never go away.
781
00:38:34,843 --> 00:38:38,555
But I tell myself that
the pain is a good thing.
782
00:38:38,597 --> 00:38:41,725
Lets me know that I'm still alive,
783
00:38:41,767 --> 00:38:44,519
that I'm still capable of feeling.
784
00:38:54,154 --> 00:38:56,823
It doesn't help that
785
00:38:56,865 --> 00:39:01,495
the police never arrested
the son of a bitch.
786
00:39:01,537 --> 00:39:04,665
Just knowing that smug bastard
is still out there
787
00:39:04,706 --> 00:39:08,961
walking around free as a bird...
788
00:39:09,002 --> 00:39:12,130
If I think about it too much,
I'm going to go crazy.
789
00:39:12,172 --> 00:39:15,259
So don't.
790
00:39:15,300 --> 00:39:17,427
Don't what?
791
00:39:17,469 --> 00:39:19,888
Think about it.
792
00:39:19,930 --> 00:39:22,474
Focus instead on Christina,
793
00:39:22,516 --> 00:39:27,229
her smile, her laughter, her kindness.
794
00:39:27,271 --> 00:39:32,185
Just forget about all this stuff...
795
00:39:32,359 --> 00:39:37,255
The hatred, the frustration.
796
00:39:37,447 --> 00:39:39,157
I don't think it's possible.
797
00:39:39,199 --> 00:39:40,993
It is.
798
00:39:41,034 --> 00:39:43,704
I promise.
799
00:39:50,085 --> 00:39:53,338
I'm so glad you came by.
800
00:39:55,257 --> 00:39:58,176
It's been too long, hm?
801
00:40:10,105 --> 00:40:13,901
What's going on?
802
00:40:13,942 --> 00:40:16,320
I pled him out to man two.
803
00:40:16,361 --> 00:40:20,032
Really? Man two.
804
00:40:20,073 --> 00:40:22,075
You were right.
805
00:40:22,117 --> 00:40:23,702
Without a credible motive,
806
00:40:23,744 --> 00:40:26,705
the jury wasn't going
to convict Erickson of murder,
807
00:40:26,747 --> 00:40:30,542
but he's still going
to do a lot of time.
808
00:40:30,584 --> 00:40:33,503
If this law thing doesn't work out,
809
00:40:33,545 --> 00:40:36,757
you should think about
becoming a psychiatrist.
810
00:40:51,381 --> 00:40:55,381
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