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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:10,376 --> 00:00:12,070 In the criminal justice system, 2 00:00:12,095 --> 00:00:13,430 the people are represented 3 00:00:13,471 --> 00:00:16,303 by two separate, yet equally important groups: 4 00:00:16,328 --> 00:00:18,246 the police, who investigate crime, 5 00:00:18,288 --> 00:00:21,208 and the district attorneys, who prosecute the offenders. 6 00:00:21,249 --> 00:00:23,210 These are their stories. 7 00:00:43,488 --> 00:00:46,992 Yo. 8 00:00:47,034 --> 00:00:49,077 Yo. 9 00:01:03,884 --> 00:01:05,010 Hey! 10 00:01:06,845 --> 00:01:09,598 Yo, what you running for? 11 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:11,183 Hey! 12 00:01:13,602 --> 00:01:15,687 Early bird runner found him laying here. 13 00:01:15,729 --> 00:01:17,022 Approximate time of death? 14 00:01:17,064 --> 00:01:19,107 MLIs put it somewhere between 2:00 and 4:00 AM. 15 00:01:19,149 --> 00:01:20,567 - Witnesses? - None so far. 16 00:01:20,609 --> 00:01:21,735 Yeah, nobody sees nothing, huh? 17 00:01:21,777 --> 00:01:22,903 Eh. 18 00:01:22,945 --> 00:01:24,613 Blunt force trauma? 19 00:01:24,655 --> 00:01:25,967 That'd be my guess. 20 00:01:25,992 --> 00:01:27,618 ID? 21 00:01:33,747 --> 00:01:36,124 Derek Stanton. 22 00:01:36,166 --> 00:01:38,043 Still got his cash. 23 00:01:38,085 --> 00:01:40,587 Any indication that the body was moved here? 24 00:01:40,629 --> 00:01:42,214 The way the blood has pooled and the spatter 25 00:01:42,256 --> 00:01:46,385 on the pavement, I think it all happened right here. 26 00:01:46,426 --> 00:01:48,428 My boy had quite the rap sheet. 27 00:01:48,470 --> 00:01:50,722 Just got out of Fishkill nine months ago. 28 00:01:50,764 --> 00:01:52,975 What was he in for? 29 00:01:53,016 --> 00:01:54,226 Selling marijuana. 30 00:01:54,268 --> 00:01:55,769 Served four years. 31 00:01:55,811 --> 00:01:57,354 Four years for selling weed? 32 00:01:57,396 --> 00:01:58,605 Crazy. 33 00:01:58,647 --> 00:02:00,065 Times have changed. 34 00:02:44,730 --> 00:02:48,730 - Synced and corrected by synk - - www.addic7ed.com - 35 00:02:52,034 --> 00:02:54,286 Surveillance footage from the park near the crime scene 36 00:02:54,328 --> 00:02:56,705 shows a guy wailing on Stanton. 37 00:02:56,747 --> 00:02:59,833 But it doesn't capture the whole thing. 38 00:02:59,875 --> 00:03:01,126 Damn. 39 00:03:01,168 --> 00:03:03,170 Do we have any better video than this? 40 00:03:03,212 --> 00:03:05,964 It's the only video we got. There weren't many cameras in the area. 41 00:03:06,006 --> 00:03:08,800 I can't even make out his face or even a skin color. 42 00:03:08,842 --> 00:03:11,720 But it's clear that the assailant and Stanton 43 00:03:11,762 --> 00:03:13,263 are about the same size, so we're looking for a guy 44 00:03:13,305 --> 00:03:14,806 who's about 6 feet tall. 45 00:03:14,848 --> 00:03:15,891 What else do we know? 46 00:03:15,933 --> 00:03:17,893 Well, the ME thinks that the perp 47 00:03:17,935 --> 00:03:20,687 might have been wearing a ring with some kind of stone in it. 48 00:03:20,729 --> 00:03:23,065 So did we run the vic's body for DNA? 49 00:03:23,106 --> 00:03:24,399 Yeah, they took samples, 50 00:03:24,441 --> 00:03:26,568 but the backlog's a few weeks out minimum. 51 00:03:26,610 --> 00:03:28,362 All right, well, just keep digging in. 52 00:03:28,403 --> 00:03:30,447 You know, given this guy's history, 53 00:03:30,489 --> 00:03:31,907 it could be related to drugs 54 00:03:31,949 --> 00:03:34,409 or maybe even his time in Fishkill or both. 55 00:03:34,451 --> 00:03:35,911 Hey, I found something interesting 56 00:03:35,953 --> 00:03:37,663 on the vic's phone. 57 00:03:37,704 --> 00:03:39,915 Past week, Stanton made 28 calls 58 00:03:39,957 --> 00:03:43,919 to a man named Jordan Spall, but he never answered. 59 00:03:43,961 --> 00:03:48,257 So the vic's calling Spall, Spall's not picking up. 60 00:03:48,298 --> 00:03:50,092 There's got to be a good reason. 61 00:03:50,133 --> 00:03:51,969 Did Spall ever serve time? 62 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:55,305 Sure did. 63 00:03:55,347 --> 00:03:57,849 Armed assault, sentenced to five years at Fishkill. 64 00:03:57,891 --> 00:03:59,685 Got out a few months ago. 65 00:03:59,726 --> 00:04:02,479 He's probably still on parole. 66 00:04:05,649 --> 00:04:09,069 Jordan Spall hasn't missed an appointment, 67 00:04:09,111 --> 00:04:11,947 hasn't failed a urine test, hasn't re-offended, 68 00:04:11,989 --> 00:04:13,448 at least not yet. 69 00:04:13,490 --> 00:04:14,741 You know, since we're here, 70 00:04:14,783 --> 00:04:16,326 would you mind seeing what you could find out 71 00:04:16,368 --> 00:04:18,245 about our vic, Derek Stanton? 72 00:04:18,287 --> 00:04:20,789 He's a Fishkill alum. 73 00:04:20,831 --> 00:04:25,002 According to Stanton's chart, he was a model parolee, too. 74 00:04:25,043 --> 00:04:26,712 Was he a model prisoner? 75 00:04:26,753 --> 00:04:28,505 Looks like Stanton was disciplined 76 00:04:28,547 --> 00:04:29,882 a few times for fighting. 77 00:04:29,923 --> 00:04:32,342 20 bucks says he was scrapping with Spall. 78 00:04:34,052 --> 00:04:36,054 As a matter of fact. 79 00:04:36,096 --> 00:04:38,307 Where's Spall living now? 80 00:04:42,060 --> 00:04:43,687 Is that him? 81 00:04:43,729 --> 00:04:45,314 Looks like it. 82 00:04:45,355 --> 00:04:49,526 Jordan Spall, I'd like to have a word with you. 83 00:04:49,568 --> 00:04:51,570 Jordan. 84 00:05:00,287 --> 00:05:01,622 Hey! 85 00:05:02,956 --> 00:05:04,708 - I've got this side. - 27 Squad to Central. 86 00:05:04,750 --> 00:05:06,418 10-85. 87 00:05:06,460 --> 00:05:09,171 Black male, 30s, blue jeans, green hoodie 88 00:05:09,213 --> 00:05:10,422 under a black jacket. 89 00:05:10,464 --> 00:05:13,759 In pursuit, Cherry Street flea market. 90 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:15,344 NYPD. 91 00:05:15,385 --> 00:05:17,179 Police, police. It's OK. It's OK. 92 00:05:17,221 --> 00:05:18,805 Watch yourself. Watch yourself. 93 00:05:31,526 --> 00:05:32,903 Spall! 94 00:05:34,404 --> 00:05:36,698 It's... it's the shoes. Sorry. 95 00:05:46,672 --> 00:05:48,085 - Whoa, whoa, whoa! - Watch out! 96 00:05:48,126 --> 00:05:49,169 Oh, my God! 97 00:05:49,211 --> 00:05:50,504 Watch out! 98 00:05:54,508 --> 00:05:56,218 Give me your hands. Stay down. 99 00:05:56,260 --> 00:05:57,594 Stay down. 100 00:06:10,774 --> 00:06:12,668 Usain Bolt. 101 00:06:12,693 --> 00:06:14,736 I didn't have anything to do with killing Derek Stanton. 102 00:06:14,778 --> 00:06:16,989 So why'd you run when you saw us then? 103 00:06:17,030 --> 00:06:18,532 'Cause I had weed on me. 104 00:06:18,574 --> 00:06:20,325 Bro, having weed on you this day and age? 105 00:06:20,367 --> 00:06:22,160 You're not gonna get in trouble for that. 106 00:06:22,202 --> 00:06:24,413 But beating Derek Stanton to death, 107 00:06:24,454 --> 00:06:26,748 that'll get your ass locked back up in genpop. 108 00:06:26,790 --> 00:06:28,208 What? 109 00:06:28,250 --> 00:06:29,585 I didn't even know Derek was dead. 110 00:06:29,626 --> 00:06:31,545 Oh, we'd like to believe you, Jordan. 111 00:06:31,587 --> 00:06:32,713 We really would. 112 00:06:32,754 --> 00:06:34,172 Unfortunately, we're homicide detectives, 113 00:06:34,214 --> 00:06:35,924 so we don't believe anybody. 114 00:06:35,966 --> 00:06:37,467 So help us out. 115 00:06:37,509 --> 00:06:40,345 Where were you this morning between 2:00 AM and 4:00 AM? 116 00:06:40,387 --> 00:06:44,182 In my bed at the halfway house, sleeping. 117 00:06:44,224 --> 00:06:46,268 You could check with the tight-ass supervisor. 118 00:06:46,310 --> 00:06:47,603 Dude watches like a hawk. 119 00:06:47,644 --> 00:06:49,813 Why was Stanton calling you so much? 120 00:06:49,855 --> 00:06:52,024 Don't know, don't care. 121 00:06:52,065 --> 00:06:54,735 I didn't like the dude, so I ignored his calls. 122 00:06:54,776 --> 00:06:56,153 Jordan, come on. 123 00:06:56,194 --> 00:07:00,157 Either we tell your PO how cooperative you were, or... 124 00:07:00,199 --> 00:07:01,825 Or we tell her something else. 125 00:07:04,828 --> 00:07:07,080 All right. 126 00:07:07,122 --> 00:07:10,209 I heard Derek was reaching out to a bunch of ex-cons, 127 00:07:10,250 --> 00:07:13,086 trying to put together a crew, make some money. 128 00:07:13,128 --> 00:07:14,796 Doing what? 129 00:07:14,838 --> 00:07:18,300 Word is, they was meeting at a pizza place 130 00:07:18,342 --> 00:07:20,427 near the projects on Pitt Street. 131 00:07:20,469 --> 00:07:22,012 That's all I know. 132 00:07:26,975 --> 00:07:29,228 Window was busted when I got here this morning. 133 00:07:29,269 --> 00:07:30,979 What time was that? 134 00:07:31,021 --> 00:07:32,147 6:00 AM. 135 00:07:32,189 --> 00:07:33,690 Derek was supposed to be here. 136 00:07:33,732 --> 00:07:35,234 I thought maybe it was a robbery, 137 00:07:35,275 --> 00:07:36,652 but nothing's missing. 138 00:07:36,693 --> 00:07:38,445 - So you work here? - Assistant manager. 139 00:07:38,487 --> 00:07:39,863 Where were you late last night? 140 00:07:39,905 --> 00:07:42,199 - In my room. - Can anyone verify that? 141 00:07:42,241 --> 00:07:44,076 I live in a group home. You can check. 142 00:07:44,117 --> 00:07:45,494 There's lots of cameras. 143 00:07:45,536 --> 00:07:47,162 Why was Derek here so early? 144 00:07:47,204 --> 00:07:48,323 Gotten the lease to this pizzeria, 145 00:07:48,335 --> 00:07:49,498 and he was working around the clock 146 00:07:49,540 --> 00:07:51,041 to get it off the ground. 147 00:07:51,083 --> 00:07:52,543 Grand opening's tomorrow. 148 00:07:52,584 --> 00:07:54,878 Well, it was supposed to be anyway. 149 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:56,066 How'd you know Derek? 150 00:07:56,091 --> 00:07:57,334 Fishkill. 151 00:07:57,359 --> 00:07:58,402 What were you in for? 152 00:07:58,427 --> 00:07:59,591 Heroin. 153 00:07:59,633 --> 00:08:01,468 Picked the wrong time to be an addict, you know? 154 00:08:01,510 --> 00:08:03,554 Nowadays, they bend over backwards to get you help. 155 00:08:03,595 --> 00:08:06,265 Back then, we were hardened criminals, man. 156 00:08:06,306 --> 00:08:07,933 We heard Derek had been meeting 157 00:08:07,975 --> 00:08:10,018 with a bunch of ex-cons. You know anything about that? 158 00:08:10,060 --> 00:08:12,479 Just trying to put together a team to open more pizzerias. 159 00:08:12,521 --> 00:08:13,855 Wanted to help. 160 00:08:13,897 --> 00:08:15,857 Was going to give us a piece of the action, too. 161 00:08:15,899 --> 00:08:18,428 That's it? There was nothing else going on? 162 00:08:18,453 --> 00:08:20,487 He was just trying to help a bunch of ex-cons out. 163 00:08:20,529 --> 00:08:22,030 Sounds like a good dude. 164 00:08:22,072 --> 00:08:23,448 He was. 165 00:08:23,490 --> 00:08:25,367 You know anybody who didn't feel that way? 166 00:08:25,409 --> 00:08:27,035 Anybody who might have wanted him dead? 167 00:08:27,077 --> 00:08:30,038 Last few months, he's been all about making amends. 168 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:31,707 Kept his nose real clean. 169 00:08:31,748 --> 00:08:34,751 Spent a lot of time with his daughter, too. 170 00:08:38,255 --> 00:08:40,591 Sonya, Lena, 171 00:08:40,632 --> 00:08:44,052 I am terribly sorry that we have some very bad news. 172 00:08:44,094 --> 00:08:47,556 Your father and your ex-husband 173 00:08:47,598 --> 00:08:50,434 was found murdered. 174 00:09:00,319 --> 00:09:04,907 I can't believe that he's gone. 175 00:09:04,948 --> 00:09:08,619 I just got him back. 176 00:09:08,660 --> 00:09:13,540 He spent all those years in prison over weed. 177 00:09:13,582 --> 00:09:17,502 He finally gets out, and then this? 178 00:09:21,048 --> 00:09:24,927 If you don't mind my asking, why have you moved here? 179 00:09:24,968 --> 00:09:27,429 Does it have anything to do with your father? 180 00:09:27,471 --> 00:09:29,181 Was he violent to either one of you? 181 00:09:29,223 --> 00:09:32,726 No. 182 00:09:32,768 --> 00:09:34,978 Never. 183 00:09:35,020 --> 00:09:39,483 No, Derek wasn't about any of that. 184 00:09:39,524 --> 00:09:42,819 He had his issues, sure, but... 185 00:09:42,861 --> 00:09:45,948 he never raised his voice or his hands to either one of us. 186 00:09:45,989 --> 00:09:48,116 So why are you here? 187 00:09:48,158 --> 00:09:51,286 Who are you afraid of? 188 00:09:51,328 --> 00:09:55,916 My husband, William. 189 00:09:55,958 --> 00:09:58,835 He's got a temper. 190 00:09:58,877 --> 00:10:03,632 And when Derek got out of prison, things just got worse. 191 00:10:03,674 --> 00:10:08,428 We just needed to get away for a little while 192 00:10:08,470 --> 00:10:11,974 until things calmed down. 193 00:10:12,015 --> 00:10:16,019 Did your husband and Derek, they ever argue or fight? 194 00:10:20,857 --> 00:10:22,985 Yes. 195 00:10:23,026 --> 00:10:26,697 The last time my father came to the house, 196 00:10:26,738 --> 00:10:29,825 William chased him out. 197 00:10:29,867 --> 00:10:33,078 He said he was going to kill him. 198 00:10:38,083 --> 00:10:40,043 I don't care what them girls said. 199 00:10:40,085 --> 00:10:43,547 They're crazy, tripping over nothing. 200 00:10:43,589 --> 00:10:45,384 I ain't lay a hand on either one of them. 201 00:10:45,409 --> 00:10:47,657 What about Derek Stanton? You ever lay a hand on him? 202 00:10:47,682 --> 00:10:48,802 No, sir. 203 00:10:48,844 --> 00:10:51,388 Wanted to, but I never did. 204 00:10:51,430 --> 00:10:53,181 Punk-ass drug dealer 205 00:10:53,223 --> 00:10:55,976 thought he could just walk back into everybody's life. 206 00:10:56,018 --> 00:10:59,021 Lena's daughter said you threatened to kill him. 207 00:10:59,062 --> 00:11:00,480 I did. 208 00:11:00,522 --> 00:11:02,107 Meant it, too. 209 00:11:02,149 --> 00:11:03,525 But I didn't kill nobody. 210 00:11:03,567 --> 00:11:05,527 Where were you last night after midnight? 211 00:11:05,569 --> 00:11:08,363 Midnight? I couldn't sleep. 212 00:11:08,405 --> 00:11:10,157 Got a lot on my mind. 213 00:11:10,199 --> 00:11:11,533 So I went for a walk. 214 00:11:11,575 --> 00:11:13,202 You remember where? 215 00:11:13,243 --> 00:11:15,287 Around. 216 00:11:15,329 --> 00:11:17,210 How about we take a walk around to the precinct 217 00:11:17,235 --> 00:11:20,417 and jog your memory? 218 00:11:20,459 --> 00:11:22,044 Lawyer. 219 00:11:23,921 --> 00:11:26,465 Do we have any evidence that puts William Barnes 220 00:11:26,506 --> 00:11:29,426 and Derek Stanton together on the morning of the murder? 221 00:11:29,468 --> 00:11:32,442 I've dug through every surveillance video from the neighborhood. 222 00:11:32,467 --> 00:11:34,514 Tracked Barnes on his late night walk. 223 00:11:34,556 --> 00:11:36,558 He heads north on Avenue C 224 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:38,727 in the general direction of the pizzeria. 225 00:11:38,769 --> 00:11:40,854 He never crosses paths with Stanton. 226 00:11:40,896 --> 00:11:43,523 Do we have any video of him actually near the pizzeria? 227 00:11:43,565 --> 00:11:45,442 This is him two blocks east. 228 00:11:45,484 --> 00:11:46,902 It's the closest he gets, 229 00:11:46,927 --> 00:11:49,097 and then he crosses the street away from the pizzeria. 230 00:11:49,139 --> 00:11:51,281 What's that? 231 00:11:51,323 --> 00:11:53,450 Top right hand corner. 232 00:11:53,492 --> 00:11:55,244 Looks like a dude throwing something. 233 00:11:55,285 --> 00:11:57,162 What's he throwing, like rocks or something? 234 00:11:57,204 --> 00:12:00,249 There's another camera that should cover that corner. 235 00:12:00,290 --> 00:12:02,251 Dude's throwing rocks right next to where 236 00:12:02,292 --> 00:12:05,295 Stanton got his window broken that night. 237 00:12:05,337 --> 00:12:07,381 And now he's headed straight for the pizzeria. 238 00:12:07,422 --> 00:12:12,261 Can you pull up the video of the actual assault? 239 00:12:12,302 --> 00:12:17,224 Same body size, same type of hoodie, sneakers. 240 00:12:17,266 --> 00:12:21,061 And if I'm not mistaken, that's a ring on his finger. 241 00:12:21,103 --> 00:12:22,646 Just like the M.E. said. 242 00:12:22,688 --> 00:12:25,524 I think we might have our killer. 243 00:12:25,566 --> 00:12:27,568 Yup. 244 00:12:27,609 --> 00:12:30,112 Now we just got to find him. 245 00:12:37,578 --> 00:12:40,180 Looks like he made his way down the street, 246 00:12:40,205 --> 00:12:42,958 and for some dumb-ass reason, just kept throwing rocks. 247 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:44,833 Yeah, Stanton must have been in the pizzeria 248 00:12:44,858 --> 00:12:46,545 when the rock came through the window, 249 00:12:46,587 --> 00:12:50,173 chased the kid down, confronted him. 250 00:12:52,092 --> 00:12:54,261 Excuse me. 251 00:12:54,303 --> 00:12:56,388 - You work here nights? - Yeah. 252 00:12:56,430 --> 00:12:57,910 You think you might have seen this young 253 00:12:57,934 --> 00:12:59,808 man around here a couple nights ago? 254 00:12:59,850 --> 00:13:01,996 Sorry, doesn't look familiar. 255 00:13:02,021 --> 00:13:03,314 Thanks. 256 00:13:05,647 --> 00:13:07,733 Yeah, I remember that kid. 257 00:13:07,774 --> 00:13:09,827 Came in the other night just before we closed up. 258 00:13:09,852 --> 00:13:10,928 What time was that? 259 00:13:10,953 --> 00:13:13,030 - Um, midnight. - You sure it's him? 260 00:13:13,071 --> 00:13:15,532 Yeah. Thought he was handsome. 261 00:13:15,574 --> 00:13:17,034 Did he buy anything? 262 00:13:17,075 --> 00:13:19,828 No, he didn't have a card, 263 00:13:19,870 --> 00:13:22,247 but his friend did. 264 00:13:22,289 --> 00:13:24,333 You have a record of that transaction? 265 00:13:24,374 --> 00:13:27,127 Yeah, I could probably pull it up. 266 00:13:27,169 --> 00:13:30,714 You can drink it now? 267 00:13:30,756 --> 00:13:33,675 Kyle Brimmer. 268 00:13:33,717 --> 00:13:37,221 Let's start with who you were with at the dispensary. 269 00:13:37,262 --> 00:13:40,390 Just to be clear, Kyle has no knowledge of any crime. 270 00:13:40,432 --> 00:13:42,226 He was home in bed in his parents' condo 271 00:13:42,267 --> 00:13:43,852 an hour before the homicide. 272 00:13:43,894 --> 00:13:46,104 Yeah, we got that. We saw the surveillance video. 273 00:13:46,146 --> 00:13:48,440 So right now, the only way Kyle can get into trouble 274 00:13:48,482 --> 00:13:51,109 is by lying to us. 275 00:13:51,151 --> 00:13:53,904 So who were you with? 276 00:13:53,946 --> 00:13:55,280 Jesse Erickson. 277 00:13:55,322 --> 00:13:57,241 And how do you know Jesse? 278 00:13:57,282 --> 00:13:59,451 We're in the same class at Martindale. 279 00:13:59,493 --> 00:14:02,412 Martindale? The prep school? 280 00:14:02,454 --> 00:14:05,332 Why don't you walk us through what you and Jesse did that night? 281 00:14:05,374 --> 00:14:07,751 Well, I just got my weed card, so we wanted to... 282 00:14:07,793 --> 00:14:09,670 They're giving out medical marijuana cards 283 00:14:09,711 --> 00:14:11,421 to prep school seniors now? 284 00:14:11,463 --> 00:14:14,258 My client has an exemption for an anxiety disorder. 285 00:14:14,299 --> 00:14:15,968 Of course he does. 286 00:14:16,009 --> 00:14:17,928 So you and Jesse, you go downtown 287 00:14:17,970 --> 00:14:20,430 to buy some cannabis, what, around, like, what, 11 o'clock? 288 00:14:20,472 --> 00:14:23,225 Yeah, Jesse wanted to get high. 289 00:14:23,267 --> 00:14:25,310 And he kept bugging me to take him to a dispensary. 290 00:14:25,352 --> 00:14:27,729 So we bought some dabs. 291 00:14:27,771 --> 00:14:30,607 Concentrated hash oil. 292 00:14:30,649 --> 00:14:31,858 Then what? 293 00:14:31,900 --> 00:14:33,986 We went to some diner, had a couple of burgers, 294 00:14:34,027 --> 00:14:35,279 and then I left. 295 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:37,030 I took an Uber at 1:08 AM. 296 00:14:37,072 --> 00:14:38,740 I have the receipt. 297 00:14:38,782 --> 00:14:42,578 How about your boy, Jesse? 298 00:14:42,619 --> 00:14:45,873 Well, he didn't want to leave. 299 00:14:45,914 --> 00:14:50,210 He said he wanted to walk around and explore the East Village. 300 00:14:50,252 --> 00:14:55,132 I told him to come with me, but he sort of ran off. 301 00:14:55,173 --> 00:14:58,677 Ran off? 302 00:14:58,719 --> 00:15:00,637 Yeah. 303 00:15:00,679 --> 00:15:03,181 It was really weird. 304 00:15:05,851 --> 00:15:08,562 Jesse Erickson, 18 years old, lives on the Upper East Side 305 00:15:08,604 --> 00:15:10,022 with his investment banker father 306 00:15:10,063 --> 00:15:11,481 and his book editor mother. 307 00:15:11,523 --> 00:15:13,525 He's a senior at Martindale. 308 00:15:13,567 --> 00:15:15,986 - Fancy. - He's a star varsity athlete 309 00:15:16,028 --> 00:15:17,362 and in the top 10% of his class. 310 00:15:17,404 --> 00:15:19,323 Any discipline problems? 311 00:15:19,364 --> 00:15:21,491 No, he just won a citizenship award. 312 00:15:21,533 --> 00:15:23,952 Good kid, good family, never been in any trouble. 313 00:15:23,994 --> 00:15:27,664 And yet he brutally beats an ex-con to death? 314 00:15:27,706 --> 00:15:28,999 I don't know. Why? 315 00:15:29,041 --> 00:15:30,834 That is the million dollar question. 316 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:35,839 OK, I'll call for a warrant. 317 00:15:35,881 --> 00:15:37,674 There's got to be some kind of mistake. 318 00:15:37,716 --> 00:15:39,885 Mr. Erickson, just tell us if Jesse is here or not. 319 00:15:39,927 --> 00:15:41,762 Jesse is a kind and lovely boy. 320 00:15:41,803 --> 00:15:43,180 You can ask anyone. 321 00:15:43,222 --> 00:15:44,973 We need to speak with Jesse now. 322 00:15:45,015 --> 00:15:47,351 Well, you can't treat him like he's some common criminal. 323 00:15:47,392 --> 00:15:48,727 We're treating him like he's a suspect 324 00:15:48,769 --> 00:15:50,812 in a murder investigation. 325 00:15:50,854 --> 00:15:54,024 Sounds like he's down here. 326 00:15:54,066 --> 00:15:56,443 Young man, will you stand up please? 327 00:15:56,485 --> 00:15:58,570 Stand up. Put your hands behind your back. 328 00:15:58,612 --> 00:15:59,696 - Wait, wait, wait, wait. - Jesse Erickson, 329 00:15:59,738 --> 00:16:01,365 we're placing you under arrest for murder. 330 00:16:01,406 --> 00:16:02,866 - Hold on, hold on. - Do what they say, son. 331 00:16:02,908 --> 00:16:04,835 And don't say a word, no matter what they tell you 332 00:16:04,860 --> 00:16:06,870 - or promise you. - What happened to your hand? 333 00:16:06,912 --> 00:16:09,122 - So me and my buddy... - Don't answer that. 334 00:16:09,164 --> 00:16:10,958 Dad, help me! 335 00:16:10,999 --> 00:16:12,334 I will. 336 00:16:12,376 --> 00:16:13,669 Now, remember, don't say a word. 337 00:16:13,710 --> 00:16:15,170 Let's go. 338 00:16:19,550 --> 00:16:21,552 Calling docket ending in 9710, 339 00:16:21,593 --> 00:16:23,262 People versus Jesse Erickson, 340 00:16:23,303 --> 00:16:25,389 charged with murder in the second degree. 341 00:16:25,430 --> 00:16:28,141 I'll hear you on bail, Ms. Maroun? 342 00:16:28,183 --> 00:16:32,980 This was a brutal, unprovoked attack on a defenseless man. 343 00:16:33,021 --> 00:16:34,565 The defendant threw a rock, 344 00:16:34,606 --> 00:16:37,359 smashing Derek Stanton's pizza shop window. 345 00:16:37,401 --> 00:16:40,487 When confronted about it, the defendant reacted 346 00:16:40,529 --> 00:16:42,906 by beating Derek Stanton to death 347 00:16:42,948 --> 00:16:44,366 with his bare hands. 348 00:16:44,408 --> 00:16:47,703 He's facing life in prison, has tremendous resources, 349 00:16:47,744 --> 00:16:50,789 and has every incentive to flee the jurisdiction. 350 00:16:50,831 --> 00:16:52,708 The People submit that no amount of bail 351 00:16:52,749 --> 00:16:54,293 will secure his appearance at trial. 352 00:16:54,334 --> 00:16:55,836 We're seeking remand. 353 00:16:55,878 --> 00:16:57,337 Mr. Thorpe. 354 00:16:57,379 --> 00:16:59,423 Holding my client without bail 355 00:16:59,464 --> 00:17:01,300 is completely uncalled for. 356 00:17:01,341 --> 00:17:03,427 My client is a high school student 357 00:17:03,468 --> 00:17:05,220 with no criminal history, 358 00:17:05,262 --> 00:17:07,180 which is more than I can say for Mr. Stanton. 359 00:17:07,222 --> 00:17:09,141 Well, the People have a strong case. 360 00:17:09,182 --> 00:17:11,226 The attack was captured on video. 361 00:17:11,268 --> 00:17:13,770 A portion of the attack was captured. 362 00:17:13,812 --> 00:17:15,939 Mr. Erickson was in an unfamiliar neighborhood 363 00:17:15,981 --> 00:17:18,066 when he came upon a criminal 364 00:17:18,108 --> 00:17:19,943 who confronted and threatened him. 365 00:17:19,985 --> 00:17:22,321 He panicked and he fought back. 366 00:17:22,362 --> 00:17:24,907 And we expect a full exoneration at trial. 367 00:17:24,948 --> 00:17:27,701 I'd also point out that Mr. Erickson is a valued member 368 00:17:27,743 --> 00:17:29,328 of his community. 369 00:17:29,369 --> 00:17:32,998 His parents are here, his classmates, 370 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:35,626 his teammates, his minister. 371 00:17:35,667 --> 00:17:39,796 OK, I'm setting a $2 million cash bail. 372 00:17:39,838 --> 00:17:41,965 His parents will post forthwith. 373 00:17:43,175 --> 00:17:45,135 Next case please. 374 00:17:52,684 --> 00:17:54,394 They're making my dad out to be a monster. 375 00:17:54,436 --> 00:17:56,688 Well, it's just a legal tactic, OK? 376 00:17:56,730 --> 00:17:59,399 - It doesn't mean anything. - It does to me. 377 00:17:59,441 --> 00:18:01,818 My dad was the victim. They called him a criminal. 378 00:18:01,860 --> 00:18:04,321 It's what lawyers do. 379 00:18:04,363 --> 00:18:06,490 He was trying to turn his life around, 380 00:18:06,532 --> 00:18:09,409 be a better person, a better dad. 381 00:18:09,451 --> 00:18:12,329 I know this must be hard. 382 00:18:12,371 --> 00:18:17,251 Losing a family member is a pain like no other. 383 00:18:18,877 --> 00:18:21,755 It just never goes away. 384 00:18:26,260 --> 00:18:30,389 His family can buy his way out of this. 385 00:18:30,430 --> 00:18:33,892 Who's going to stand up for my family, for my dad? 386 00:18:33,934 --> 00:18:36,520 I will. I promise. 387 00:18:36,562 --> 00:18:38,897 I'm... I'm going to do everything I can 388 00:18:38,939 --> 00:18:41,567 to honor his memory. 389 00:18:59,167 --> 00:19:01,336 Nice. What's the occasion? 390 00:19:01,378 --> 00:19:04,556 Oh, it's the anniversary 391 00:19:04,581 --> 00:19:07,301 of my sister's death. 392 00:19:07,342 --> 00:19:09,386 Oh, I'm sorry. 393 00:19:09,428 --> 00:19:11,555 It's OK. 394 00:19:11,597 --> 00:19:13,265 Yeah, every... every year, 395 00:19:13,307 --> 00:19:15,726 my parents send me yellow roses. 396 00:19:15,767 --> 00:19:18,437 It was her favorite flower. 397 00:19:18,478 --> 00:19:20,063 That's nice. 398 00:19:20,105 --> 00:19:22,024 Yeah. 399 00:19:22,065 --> 00:19:24,818 So it definitely looks like 400 00:19:24,860 --> 00:19:27,154 Erickson is going to claim self-defense. 401 00:19:27,196 --> 00:19:28,906 It makes sense. 402 00:19:28,947 --> 00:19:32,159 Derek Stanton was poor. He had a criminal record. 403 00:19:32,201 --> 00:19:34,953 They'll push the narrative that he was obviously the aggressor. 404 00:19:34,995 --> 00:19:36,330 It had to be, right? 405 00:19:36,371 --> 00:19:39,666 I mean, he's an ex-con, sold marijuana. 406 00:19:39,708 --> 00:19:41,084 How evil. 407 00:19:41,126 --> 00:19:42,628 And of course, he's Black, so... 408 00:19:42,669 --> 00:19:44,129 Right, I get it. 409 00:19:44,171 --> 00:19:47,174 There are a lot of unanswered questions here, though. 410 00:19:47,216 --> 00:19:51,178 High school kid, great grades, great reputation, 411 00:19:51,220 --> 00:19:54,014 no history of violence, crosses paths with a felon. 412 00:19:54,056 --> 00:19:56,683 A felon? He's a victim. 413 00:19:56,725 --> 00:19:59,311 No, I understand, Sam. I'm just stating a fact. 414 00:19:59,353 --> 00:20:02,272 Question is, can we prove murder two? 415 00:20:02,314 --> 00:20:04,441 Show that it was an intentional act, 416 00:20:04,483 --> 00:20:07,903 or was it something else, a fistfight, mutual combatants? 417 00:20:07,945 --> 00:20:09,321 Not sure just yet. 418 00:20:09,363 --> 00:20:12,032 We need to figure out motive first 419 00:20:12,074 --> 00:20:15,452 or offer a plea to a reduced charge. 420 00:20:15,494 --> 00:20:17,496 - Man one? - Plead him out? 421 00:20:17,538 --> 00:20:18,997 Just like that? 422 00:20:19,039 --> 00:20:20,415 Well, unless more evidence drops, 423 00:20:20,457 --> 00:20:22,209 this is going to be a tough case to prove. 424 00:20:22,251 --> 00:20:25,170 Why? Because the defendant is a rich white kid? 425 00:20:25,212 --> 00:20:26,713 Excuse me? 426 00:20:26,755 --> 00:20:28,799 If a poor Black kid beat the hell out of Stanton, then... 427 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:31,343 Then we'd still need to prove motive. 428 00:20:31,385 --> 00:20:34,012 And that's not what happened. A rich white kid did it. 429 00:20:34,054 --> 00:20:36,557 And right or wrong, fair or unfair, 430 00:20:36,598 --> 00:20:38,183 that's the case we're trying. 431 00:20:38,225 --> 00:20:41,061 I understand, but Ms. Maroun has a point. 432 00:20:41,103 --> 00:20:42,729 Even though the facts are confusing, 433 00:20:42,771 --> 00:20:45,524 we need to be aware of the optics. 434 00:20:45,566 --> 00:20:46,692 Fine. 435 00:20:46,733 --> 00:20:49,027 I'll press forward with murder two. 436 00:20:49,069 --> 00:20:51,196 Good. But get ready for the defense. 437 00:20:51,238 --> 00:20:53,517 They're going to attack the victim's character, 438 00:20:53,542 --> 00:20:57,494 blame him for his own murder, so you'll need to counteract that. 439 00:20:57,536 --> 00:21:01,331 Find some way to level the playing field. 440 00:21:13,093 --> 00:21:15,053 The people would like to call character witnesses 441 00:21:15,095 --> 00:21:16,680 on behalf of Derek Stanton. 442 00:21:16,722 --> 00:21:17,848 The victim? 443 00:21:17,890 --> 00:21:19,224 Yes, to demonstrate that he was 444 00:21:19,266 --> 00:21:22,185 a peaceful, hardworking member of his community, 445 00:21:22,227 --> 00:21:24,897 far different from the way the defense is trying to portray him. 446 00:21:24,938 --> 00:21:27,900 Your Honor, Rule 4.11 allows a defendant 447 00:21:27,941 --> 00:21:29,735 to call character witnesses, not the victim. 448 00:21:29,776 --> 00:21:31,695 But there's nothing in the rules 449 00:21:31,737 --> 00:21:33,238 that specifically precludes it. 450 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:35,782 Nice try, Mr. Price, but I agree with Mr. Thorpe. 451 00:21:35,824 --> 00:21:39,089 If you want to change the rules, take it up with the state legislature. 452 00:21:40,787 --> 00:21:43,123 Thank you, Your Honor. 453 00:21:43,165 --> 00:21:45,459 Defense's witness list is unbelievable. 454 00:21:45,500 --> 00:21:47,252 There's a federal judge? 455 00:21:47,294 --> 00:21:50,756 The CEO of a Fortune 500 company, 456 00:21:50,797 --> 00:21:52,758 the head of a charitable foundation? 457 00:21:52,799 --> 00:21:56,178 All nine of these character witnesses are incredibly impressive. 458 00:21:56,220 --> 00:21:57,512 That's what the wealthy do 459 00:21:57,554 --> 00:21:59,181 when their backs are up against the wall. 460 00:21:59,223 --> 00:22:03,101 They band together, protect their own. 461 00:22:03,143 --> 00:22:06,271 Well, that may be true, but the question remains. 462 00:22:06,313 --> 00:22:08,941 Why did Jesse Erickson, who, by all accounts, 463 00:22:08,982 --> 00:22:11,985 was a good kid, rich or not, 464 00:22:12,027 --> 00:22:14,655 suddenly decide to beat a stranger to death? 465 00:22:14,696 --> 00:22:15,864 I don't know. 466 00:22:15,906 --> 00:22:17,282 And legally, it doesn't really matter. 467 00:22:17,324 --> 00:22:19,618 Uh, no, I'm not so sure about that, Sam. 468 00:22:19,660 --> 00:22:21,787 If we don't know what precipitated the fight... 469 00:22:21,828 --> 00:22:23,956 It was an attack, not a fight. 470 00:22:23,997 --> 00:22:25,249 You saw the video. 471 00:22:25,290 --> 00:22:27,125 But we don't know what happened before, 472 00:22:27,167 --> 00:22:28,544 and that's relevant. 473 00:22:28,585 --> 00:22:30,170 The jury's going to want to know the full picture. 474 00:22:30,212 --> 00:22:31,797 I understand, and we'll keep looking, 475 00:22:31,838 --> 00:22:36,176 but for now, since we can't explain why Erickson did it, 476 00:22:36,218 --> 00:22:39,513 let's focus on the horror of what he actually did. 477 00:22:42,558 --> 00:22:46,061 Mr. Stanton had a shattered occipital bone. 478 00:22:46,103 --> 00:22:47,980 That's the bone that's in the back of the head 479 00:22:48,021 --> 00:22:50,232 that connects to the cervical spine. 480 00:22:50,274 --> 00:22:52,859 It essentially protects the brain. 481 00:22:52,901 --> 00:22:55,153 He also had several other broken bones... 482 00:22:55,195 --> 00:22:59,366 His nose, his eye socket, his jaw. 483 00:22:59,408 --> 00:23:02,369 Did you make a ruling as to the cause of death? 484 00:23:02,411 --> 00:23:05,330 Cranial cerebral trauma so severe 485 00:23:05,372 --> 00:23:08,959 that the brain hemorrhaged and flooded with blood. 486 00:23:11,545 --> 00:23:14,882 Were there wounds on Mr. Stanton's torso? 487 00:23:14,923 --> 00:23:16,758 He had three broken ribs. 488 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:19,928 Did you form an opinion as to how he sustained those wounds? 489 00:23:19,970 --> 00:23:23,015 Mr. Stanton had been kicked four times. 490 00:23:23,056 --> 00:23:25,058 I have nothing further. 491 00:23:26,727 --> 00:23:29,646 We've all seen the video of the fight and the crime scene 492 00:23:29,688 --> 00:23:33,609 photos, but you don't know why my client had an altercation 493 00:23:33,650 --> 00:23:35,068 with Mr. Stanton, do you? 494 00:23:35,110 --> 00:23:36,862 No, I have no idea. 495 00:23:36,904 --> 00:23:39,656 So you don't know if my client was protecting himself. 496 00:23:39,698 --> 00:23:41,366 I don't. 497 00:23:41,408 --> 00:23:43,827 Thank you. 498 00:23:43,869 --> 00:23:46,538 Were there any scrapes or bruises 499 00:23:46,580 --> 00:23:49,958 on Mr. Stanton's fists, on his palms, on his forearms? 500 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:51,376 No. 501 00:23:51,418 --> 00:23:53,545 Any wounds which suggest he was the aggressor? 502 00:23:53,587 --> 00:23:55,088 Nothing like that. 503 00:23:55,130 --> 00:23:57,591 And there was no indication he had a weapon of any kind? 504 00:23:57,633 --> 00:23:59,051 Correct. 505 00:23:59,092 --> 00:24:01,345 And Mr. Stanton was 2 inches shorter 506 00:24:01,386 --> 00:24:04,514 and 40 pounds lighter than the defendant? 507 00:24:04,556 --> 00:24:05,849 That's true. 508 00:24:05,891 --> 00:24:07,392 And no drugs in Mr. Stanton's system? 509 00:24:07,434 --> 00:24:09,770 Toxicology was negative for alcohol 510 00:24:09,811 --> 00:24:11,647 and controlled substances. 511 00:24:11,688 --> 00:24:13,774 Nothing further. 512 00:24:20,864 --> 00:24:22,741 The M.E. did a good job, 513 00:24:22,783 --> 00:24:25,702 but I think we still need a few more witnesses 514 00:24:25,744 --> 00:24:28,372 to help offset the self-defense claim. 515 00:24:28,413 --> 00:24:30,582 - Like who? - Not sure. 516 00:24:30,624 --> 00:24:32,501 Someone who can speak to his state of mind 517 00:24:32,543 --> 00:24:35,754 prior to his death, someone who can say he was in a good mood, 518 00:24:35,796 --> 00:24:38,840 he was focused on the opening of his pizzeria. 519 00:24:38,882 --> 00:24:40,342 Well, I'll look into it. 520 00:24:40,384 --> 00:24:44,263 But if you ask me, I think the M.E. pretty much destroyed 521 00:24:44,304 --> 00:24:46,723 their self-defense argument. 522 00:24:46,765 --> 00:24:48,517 We still have no idea why this kid killed Stanton. 523 00:24:49,726 --> 00:24:51,478 Whole thing still doesn't make any sense. 524 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:55,107 Defense just changed their plea. 525 00:24:55,148 --> 00:24:57,442 Their plea? To what? 526 00:24:57,484 --> 00:24:59,987 Not guilty by reason of mental defect. 527 00:25:00,028 --> 00:25:01,572 He's claiming insanity? 528 00:25:01,613 --> 00:25:03,615 They're alleging Jesse Erickson 529 00:25:03,657 --> 00:25:06,702 had a mental impairment when he killed Derek Stanton. 530 00:25:06,743 --> 00:25:07,953 What's the impairment? 531 00:25:07,995 --> 00:25:10,455 Cannabis intoxication. 532 00:25:10,497 --> 00:25:13,750 They're using marijuana as the basis for a... 533 00:25:13,792 --> 00:25:16,670 For an insanity defense? 534 00:25:24,219 --> 00:25:26,530 I understand you'd like to change your plea. 535 00:25:26,555 --> 00:25:28,390 We plan to present evidence that my client 536 00:25:28,432 --> 00:25:30,225 was in the throes of a psychotic episode 537 00:25:30,267 --> 00:25:32,237 the night of Mr. Stanton's death. 538 00:25:32,262 --> 00:25:35,022 My client went to a dispensary earlier and bought cannabis. 539 00:25:35,063 --> 00:25:36,800 Yeah, something you've gone out of your way 540 00:25:36,825 --> 00:25:38,317 to denigrate Mr. Stanton for doing. 541 00:25:38,358 --> 00:25:40,986 We denigrated him for selling it, for committing a felony. 542 00:25:41,028 --> 00:25:42,487 Regardless, 543 00:25:42,529 --> 00:25:45,240 if the defendant voluntarily ingested an intoxicant, 544 00:25:45,282 --> 00:25:48,285 he can't turn around now and claim insanity. 545 00:25:48,327 --> 00:25:51,413 My client didn't understand how potent this dose of cannabis was. 546 00:25:51,455 --> 00:25:53,415 No idea what it could do to him. 547 00:25:53,457 --> 00:25:55,626 That means his consumption wasn't voluntary. 548 00:25:55,667 --> 00:25:57,252 I've never seen a claim of insanity 549 00:25:57,294 --> 00:25:58,754 based on marijuana usage. 550 00:25:58,795 --> 00:26:00,839 Do you have any science to back that up? 551 00:26:00,881 --> 00:26:03,258 Data from medical journals detailing the frequency 552 00:26:03,300 --> 00:26:05,093 of cannabis-induced psychosis 553 00:26:05,135 --> 00:26:07,012 and a board-certified psychiatrist 554 00:26:07,054 --> 00:26:08,847 who will testify that my client was 555 00:26:08,889 --> 00:26:10,515 in the midst of such a psychosis 556 00:26:10,557 --> 00:26:13,352 when he came across Mr. Stanton. 557 00:26:13,393 --> 00:26:15,646 Well, if that's your case that you present, 558 00:26:15,687 --> 00:26:16,813 I'm OK with it. 559 00:26:16,855 --> 00:26:19,107 I'll grant the defendant's request. 560 00:26:19,149 --> 00:26:21,248 And the People can call their own expert 561 00:26:21,273 --> 00:26:24,655 to interview the defendant and challenge the findings. 562 00:26:24,696 --> 00:26:26,740 I've researched the potency of the THC 563 00:26:26,782 --> 00:26:28,992 he claims to have ingested, and I met with the defendant 564 00:26:29,034 --> 00:26:32,496 for approximately two hours, got a full medical history, 565 00:26:32,538 --> 00:26:34,748 and it's scientifically possible that the cannabis 566 00:26:34,790 --> 00:26:37,125 caused him to experience irrational thoughts 567 00:26:37,167 --> 00:26:39,211 and paranoid delusions. 568 00:26:39,253 --> 00:26:40,963 Possible that pot can 569 00:26:41,004 --> 00:26:42,839 make someone kill another human being? 570 00:26:42,881 --> 00:26:44,299 It sounds farfetched. 571 00:26:44,341 --> 00:26:46,343 But we're talking about pot. 572 00:26:46,385 --> 00:26:48,554 This sure as hell isn't the pot I grew up with. 573 00:26:48,595 --> 00:26:52,474 Back in the '90s, the THC level in marijuana was below 2%. 574 00:26:52,516 --> 00:26:54,059 Now? 575 00:26:54,101 --> 00:26:58,313 Some dispensaries are selling dabs that are 80% or 90% THC. 576 00:26:58,355 --> 00:27:01,400 Put that in a vape and smoke it? 577 00:27:01,441 --> 00:27:05,404 It can absolutely trigger a psychotic episode. 578 00:27:05,445 --> 00:27:08,782 If I'm being honest, he seemed like a good kid 579 00:27:08,824 --> 00:27:12,995 who smoked some really strong marijuana 580 00:27:13,036 --> 00:27:16,039 and lost his damn mind. 581 00:27:19,751 --> 00:27:23,380 So you want to concede that he had an altered mental state 582 00:27:23,422 --> 00:27:26,008 - and reduce the charges? - It makes sense to me. 583 00:27:26,049 --> 00:27:27,175 Not to me. 584 00:27:27,217 --> 00:27:29,803 He literally beat Stanton to death. 585 00:27:29,845 --> 00:27:33,682 Each punch required independent thought and movement. 586 00:27:33,724 --> 00:27:36,685 High or not, his acts were still intentional. 587 00:27:36,727 --> 00:27:38,937 Intentional? Our own doctor believes the defendant 588 00:27:38,979 --> 00:27:40,480 was in a psychotic state. 589 00:27:40,522 --> 00:27:43,317 Not only that, he ingested the pot legally. 590 00:27:43,358 --> 00:27:47,112 The legal age is 21, not 18, and for good reason. 591 00:27:47,154 --> 00:27:50,365 The teenage brain is more susceptible to THC. 592 00:27:50,407 --> 00:27:51,658 Well, you're making my point. 593 00:27:51,700 --> 00:27:54,995 No, Erickson knew he was underage. 594 00:27:55,037 --> 00:27:57,414 That means he assumed the risk. 595 00:27:57,456 --> 00:27:59,708 Technically, yes, I suppose, but come on, Jack. 596 00:27:59,750 --> 00:28:01,877 No one on the jury views marijuana 597 00:28:01,919 --> 00:28:03,712 as an illicit drug anymore. 598 00:28:03,754 --> 00:28:06,798 Man two is the appropriate charge. 599 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:09,218 You saw those autopsy photos, Nolan. 600 00:28:09,259 --> 00:28:11,261 He pummeled that man to death. 601 00:28:11,303 --> 00:28:13,263 We can't just give this guy a slap on the wrist. 602 00:28:13,305 --> 00:28:17,601 We're not suggesting that we do. I'll recommend a minimum of 10 years. 603 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:24,233 We're not pleading him out to man two, not yet anyway. 604 00:28:28,153 --> 00:28:30,072 OK. 605 00:28:30,113 --> 00:28:34,784 If that's what you want to do, I think Sam should take over. 606 00:28:35,285 --> 00:28:39,659 I'll... I'll sit second chair. I'll support her as best I can. 607 00:28:40,415 --> 00:28:42,918 I don't see murder two here. 608 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:44,211 I just don't. 609 00:28:44,253 --> 00:28:46,171 But you do. 610 00:28:52,803 --> 00:28:54,388 Are you good with that? 611 00:28:54,429 --> 00:28:57,099 Yes, absolutely. 612 00:29:07,901 --> 00:29:12,364 Tell the jurors what happened the night of Mr. Stanton's death. 613 00:29:12,406 --> 00:29:15,450 My friend, Kyle, he has a cannabis card. 614 00:29:15,492 --> 00:29:18,662 So it means he can legally buy marijuana. 615 00:29:18,704 --> 00:29:21,081 So we went to a dispensary down on the Lower East Side. 616 00:29:21,123 --> 00:29:22,958 Did your friend buy marijuana? 617 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:24,126 Yes. 618 00:29:24,167 --> 00:29:25,961 Did you partake? 619 00:29:26,003 --> 00:29:27,421 Yes. 620 00:29:27,462 --> 00:29:29,965 And did you ever smoke or eat pot before that night? 621 00:29:30,007 --> 00:29:31,383 Yes. 622 00:29:31,425 --> 00:29:33,093 But it wasn't anything like this. 623 00:29:33,135 --> 00:29:35,304 Can you describe your experience? 624 00:29:35,345 --> 00:29:37,180 So I started seeing things 625 00:29:37,222 --> 00:29:39,099 that, like, weren't actually there. 626 00:29:39,141 --> 00:29:41,894 And I just felt like everybody was threatening me. 627 00:29:41,935 --> 00:29:43,979 Is that why you started throwing rocks? 628 00:29:44,021 --> 00:29:45,397 Yes. 629 00:29:45,439 --> 00:29:47,482 Do you remember meeting Mr. Stanton? 630 00:29:47,524 --> 00:29:50,193 Yes, I threw a rock at his store. 631 00:29:50,235 --> 00:29:52,196 It's a pizza place. 632 00:29:52,237 --> 00:29:54,156 And it shattered the glass. 633 00:29:54,198 --> 00:29:55,365 What did Mr. Stanton do? 634 00:29:55,407 --> 00:29:57,951 He came out, trying to talk to me. 635 00:29:57,993 --> 00:30:01,997 But I walked away, and, uh, he ran after me. 636 00:30:02,039 --> 00:30:03,457 You felt threatened? 637 00:30:03,498 --> 00:30:04,875 Objection, leading. 638 00:30:04,917 --> 00:30:06,668 Sustained. 639 00:30:06,710 --> 00:30:08,837 Tell the jurors how you felt. 640 00:30:08,879 --> 00:30:10,422 OK. 641 00:30:10,464 --> 00:30:13,550 I thought Mr. Stanton was... Was going to kill me. 642 00:30:13,592 --> 00:30:17,492 And now I know that that's not true, 643 00:30:17,517 --> 00:30:21,892 but at the time, like, in the moment, it felt super real, like very real. 644 00:30:21,934 --> 00:30:24,394 So I hit him. 645 00:30:29,066 --> 00:30:30,359 Thank you. 646 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:32,486 Nothing further. 647 00:30:49,127 --> 00:30:52,005 You didn't just hit him. 648 00:30:52,047 --> 00:30:54,675 You beat him to death. 649 00:30:54,716 --> 00:30:57,427 I feel awful, all right? 650 00:30:57,469 --> 00:30:59,471 I'm so sorry for everything I've done. 651 00:30:59,513 --> 00:31:02,432 I'm so sorry for the pain that I've caused my family 652 00:31:02,474 --> 00:31:04,142 and Mr. Stanton's family. 653 00:31:04,184 --> 00:31:05,978 And up until this very moment, 654 00:31:06,019 --> 00:31:08,438 you've never expressed a shred of remorse 655 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:10,732 for what you've done. 656 00:31:10,774 --> 00:31:13,735 That's 'cause my lawyer and my dad told me not to. 657 00:31:13,777 --> 00:31:17,322 Oh, so you're blaming this on your father and... 658 00:31:17,364 --> 00:31:18,782 - No. No. - Lawyer? 659 00:31:18,824 --> 00:31:20,821 See, that's not what I'm saying. I'm 660 00:31:20,845 --> 00:31:22,536 saying I'm a... I'm not a bad person. 661 00:31:22,578 --> 00:31:24,788 Not a bad person? 662 00:31:30,836 --> 00:31:32,838 Yeah. 663 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,424 Yeah, I wish I could take it back. 664 00:31:35,465 --> 00:31:37,384 I'd do anything to have that night back. 665 00:31:37,426 --> 00:31:39,511 But you can't. 666 00:31:39,553 --> 00:31:42,306 That's not how the world works. 667 00:31:42,347 --> 00:31:44,683 You did what you did. 668 00:31:44,725 --> 00:31:49,062 And now a good man, an innocent man is dead and buried, 669 00:31:49,104 --> 00:31:51,440 - and his family is grieving. - Objection. 670 00:31:51,481 --> 00:31:54,943 Sustained. Watch it, Ms. Maroun. 671 00:32:05,537 --> 00:32:08,081 And after you brutally murdered Mr. Stanton, 672 00:32:08,123 --> 00:32:10,792 you went to great lengths to cover your tracks, didn't you? 673 00:32:10,834 --> 00:32:12,085 Look, I don't know what you mean. 674 00:32:12,127 --> 00:32:14,087 Yeah, you went to a hospital to get treatment. 675 00:32:14,129 --> 00:32:16,298 You paid out of pocket so it wouldn't be reflected 676 00:32:16,340 --> 00:32:17,633 in your insurance claim. 677 00:32:17,674 --> 00:32:18,759 See, that was my family's decision. 678 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:20,886 Yes, I know. It's all their fault. 679 00:32:20,928 --> 00:32:22,304 Please. 680 00:32:22,346 --> 00:32:26,975 I'm so sorry for what I did. 681 00:32:27,017 --> 00:32:29,519 I'm so sorry. 682 00:32:29,561 --> 00:32:33,065 I'm so sorry. 683 00:32:33,106 --> 00:32:35,776 I'm so sorry. 684 00:32:41,823 --> 00:32:44,576 That's all I have for this witness. 685 00:32:58,715 --> 00:33:00,175 Went too far, didn't I? 686 00:33:00,217 --> 00:33:01,885 No, not necessarily. 687 00:33:01,927 --> 00:33:05,973 I think we still have a few jurors in our corner. 688 00:33:15,232 --> 00:33:16,875 You're doing great. 689 00:33:16,900 --> 00:33:18,277 Be honest. 690 00:33:18,318 --> 00:33:19,611 I am. 691 00:33:19,653 --> 00:33:21,655 You are doing great. 692 00:33:21,697 --> 00:33:24,366 But the facts are the facts. 693 00:33:24,408 --> 00:33:26,410 No matter how well you present the case, 694 00:33:26,451 --> 00:33:28,453 the jury is going to want to know why 695 00:33:28,495 --> 00:33:30,998 the defendant had such a violent outburst 696 00:33:31,039 --> 00:33:33,458 and killed another human being. 697 00:33:33,500 --> 00:33:38,164 And, well, unless we can give them an understandable motive, 698 00:33:39,089 --> 00:33:42,217 I don't see us getting a conviction on murder two. 699 00:33:42,259 --> 00:33:44,303 Last time I tell you to be honest. 700 00:33:44,344 --> 00:33:46,763 Does that mean you agree? 701 00:33:46,805 --> 00:33:50,183 That we need to offer up additional information 702 00:33:50,225 --> 00:33:52,769 or find some sort of reason for Erickson's violence? 703 00:33:52,811 --> 00:33:54,438 Yes, absolutely. 704 00:33:54,479 --> 00:33:56,523 And I've been looking for one, but... 705 00:33:56,565 --> 00:34:00,193 You know, it occurred to me when Erickson was on the stand 706 00:34:00,235 --> 00:34:04,114 that neither he nor his lawyer have talked about college. 707 00:34:04,156 --> 00:34:06,200 - What do you mean? - He's a high school senior. 708 00:34:06,241 --> 00:34:08,368 He's a great student, talented athlete 709 00:34:08,410 --> 00:34:11,788 from a wealthy, educated family. 710 00:34:11,830 --> 00:34:14,708 For a kid like Jesse Erickson not to be on his way 711 00:34:14,750 --> 00:34:18,003 to some sort of elite college, it doesn't make sense. 712 00:34:18,045 --> 00:34:20,255 Has to be a reason. 713 00:34:25,510 --> 00:34:27,054 He was accepted early at Brown, 714 00:34:27,095 --> 00:34:28,972 but decided to take a gap year. 715 00:34:29,014 --> 00:34:30,515 To do what? 716 00:34:30,557 --> 00:34:32,309 He's enlisted in a youth volunteer group 717 00:34:32,351 --> 00:34:33,977 to build a school in Kenya. 718 00:34:34,019 --> 00:34:35,229 Kenya? 719 00:34:35,270 --> 00:34:38,315 That's the plan... Or it was the plan. 720 00:34:38,357 --> 00:34:41,151 So he's never been in trouble? 721 00:34:41,193 --> 00:34:42,986 Suspended, discipline? 722 00:34:43,028 --> 00:34:44,696 Not to my knowledge. 723 00:34:44,738 --> 00:34:46,907 Ever shown signs of violence? 724 00:34:46,949 --> 00:34:49,576 Not that I'm aware of. 725 00:34:49,618 --> 00:34:52,204 Has he ever expressed racist thoughts 726 00:34:52,246 --> 00:34:54,873 and shown bias against people of color? 727 00:34:54,915 --> 00:34:56,375 No. 728 00:34:56,416 --> 00:34:59,127 I'm telling you, he's a good kid. 729 00:34:59,169 --> 00:35:01,004 I've been his advisor since freshman year. 730 00:35:01,046 --> 00:35:03,549 So he's perfect? That's what you're saying? 731 00:35:03,590 --> 00:35:06,468 He just runs around, getting straight As, 732 00:35:06,510 --> 00:35:09,263 playing football, winning citizenship awards, 733 00:35:09,304 --> 00:35:12,933 and then one night, out of the blue, he beats a man to death? 734 00:35:12,975 --> 00:35:14,977 It was the cannabis. 735 00:35:15,018 --> 00:35:18,897 That's the only thing that makes sense. 736 00:35:18,939 --> 00:35:22,234 I don't understand all your anger. 737 00:35:22,276 --> 00:35:26,613 Why are you hell bent on ruining Jesse's life? 738 00:35:34,413 --> 00:35:36,123 You should have heard this guy. 739 00:35:36,164 --> 00:35:39,793 He... he made Erickson out to be a saint. 740 00:35:39,835 --> 00:35:42,754 He turned it around, started pointing fingers at me 741 00:35:42,796 --> 00:35:47,134 like I have some personal vendetta against Erickson. 742 00:35:54,474 --> 00:35:57,144 What? What are you... 743 00:35:59,563 --> 00:36:01,773 OK. 744 00:36:01,815 --> 00:36:04,985 I have wondered the same thing. 745 00:36:07,571 --> 00:36:09,698 From the second we charged this kid, 746 00:36:09,740 --> 00:36:12,701 you've been convinced that he's a monster 747 00:36:12,743 --> 00:36:13,952 in spite of the evidence. 748 00:36:13,994 --> 00:36:15,621 The evidence? 749 00:36:15,662 --> 00:36:18,707 He bludgeoned a man to death with his fists. 750 00:36:18,749 --> 00:36:20,459 I mean, those were the most 751 00:36:20,500 --> 00:36:22,878 horrific crime scene photos I have ever seen. 752 00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:27,674 I agree, which is why we brought the murder two charge. 753 00:36:27,716 --> 00:36:30,469 But... 754 00:36:30,510 --> 00:36:33,764 the evidence no longer backs our original theory, 755 00:36:33,805 --> 00:36:36,642 and we're losing the jury. 756 00:36:36,683 --> 00:36:38,852 Manslaughter is still a serious charge. 757 00:36:38,894 --> 00:36:41,355 Like I said before, we can recommend 10 years. 758 00:36:41,396 --> 00:36:45,359 That's not enough, not for what he did. 759 00:36:51,031 --> 00:36:53,992 I'm not a psychiatrist, but... 760 00:36:54,034 --> 00:36:55,869 is there a chance this has something 761 00:36:55,911 --> 00:36:57,871 to do with your sister? 762 00:36:59,498 --> 00:37:01,667 You know, OK, I'm... I'm sorry to even... 763 00:37:01,708 --> 00:37:04,503 You... you think I'm trying to blame Jesse Erickson 764 00:37:04,545 --> 00:37:06,421 for what happened to my sister? 765 00:37:06,463 --> 00:37:09,883 No, not consciously, but there is a resemblance, 766 00:37:09,925 --> 00:37:12,844 on paper anyway, between him and... 767 00:37:12,886 --> 00:37:15,806 And the young man who... 768 00:37:19,601 --> 00:37:23,647 OK, I'm wrong. 769 00:37:23,689 --> 00:37:26,567 I'm sorry for even bringing it up. 770 00:37:32,072 --> 00:37:34,741 I'm just trying to help, Sam. 771 00:37:37,619 --> 00:37:40,122 I know. 772 00:37:55,095 --> 00:37:57,890 Breakfast on a work day? 773 00:37:57,931 --> 00:38:00,350 Oh. 774 00:38:00,392 --> 00:38:02,311 It's been a while. 775 00:38:02,352 --> 00:38:05,355 Just thought I'd come by, say hello. 776 00:38:05,397 --> 00:38:07,566 I'm thrilled. 777 00:38:07,608 --> 00:38:10,402 And thanks for bringing the fresh croissants. 778 00:38:23,916 --> 00:38:28,754 I thought it'd get easier. 779 00:38:28,795 --> 00:38:31,215 It doesn't. 780 00:38:31,256 --> 00:38:34,801 It's an ache that will never go away. 781 00:38:34,843 --> 00:38:38,555 But I tell myself that the pain is a good thing. 782 00:38:38,597 --> 00:38:41,725 Lets me know that I'm still alive, 783 00:38:41,767 --> 00:38:44,519 that I'm still capable of feeling. 784 00:38:54,154 --> 00:38:56,823 It doesn't help that 785 00:38:56,865 --> 00:39:01,495 the police never arrested the son of a bitch. 786 00:39:01,537 --> 00:39:04,665 Just knowing that smug bastard is still out there 787 00:39:04,706 --> 00:39:08,961 walking around free as a bird... 788 00:39:09,002 --> 00:39:12,130 If I think about it too much, I'm going to go crazy. 789 00:39:12,172 --> 00:39:15,259 So don't. 790 00:39:15,300 --> 00:39:17,427 Don't what? 791 00:39:17,469 --> 00:39:19,888 Think about it. 792 00:39:19,930 --> 00:39:22,474 Focus instead on Christina, 793 00:39:22,516 --> 00:39:27,229 her smile, her laughter, her kindness. 794 00:39:27,271 --> 00:39:32,185 Just forget about all this stuff... 795 00:39:32,359 --> 00:39:37,255 The hatred, the frustration. 796 00:39:37,447 --> 00:39:39,157 I don't think it's possible. 797 00:39:39,199 --> 00:39:40,993 It is. 798 00:39:41,034 --> 00:39:43,704 I promise. 799 00:39:50,085 --> 00:39:53,338 I'm so glad you came by. 800 00:39:55,257 --> 00:39:58,176 It's been too long, hm? 801 00:40:10,105 --> 00:40:13,901 What's going on? 802 00:40:13,942 --> 00:40:16,320 I pled him out to man two. 803 00:40:16,361 --> 00:40:20,032 Really? Man two. 804 00:40:20,073 --> 00:40:22,075 You were right. 805 00:40:22,117 --> 00:40:23,702 Without a credible motive, 806 00:40:23,744 --> 00:40:26,705 the jury wasn't going to convict Erickson of murder, 807 00:40:26,747 --> 00:40:30,542 but he's still going to do a lot of time. 808 00:40:30,584 --> 00:40:33,503 If this law thing doesn't work out, 809 00:40:33,545 --> 00:40:36,757 you should think about becoming a psychiatrist. 810 00:40:51,381 --> 00:40:55,381 - Synced and corrected by synk - - www.addic7ed.com - 59390

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