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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:11,402 In the criminal justice system, 2 00:00:11,402 --> 00:00:12,751 the people are represented 3 00:00:12,751 --> 00:00:15,232 by two separate, yet equally important groups: 4 00:00:15,232 --> 00:00:17,060 the police, who investigate crime, 5 00:00:17,060 --> 00:00:19,845 and the district attorneys, who prosecute the offenders. 6 00:00:19,845 --> 00:00:21,760 These are their stories. 7 00:00:22,892 --> 00:00:24,720 Thanks, Professor. 8 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:27,070 I'll let my team know the good news 9 00:00:27,070 --> 00:00:30,682 and we'll have a business plan ready for you by next week. 10 00:00:30,682 --> 00:00:32,032 Talk soon. 11 00:00:55,185 --> 00:00:57,753 DOA's a Hudson grad student named Emily Wade. 12 00:00:57,753 --> 00:01:00,582 27, two in the chest. - Witnesses? 13 00:01:00,582 --> 00:01:02,671 Just the classmate who found her. 14 00:01:02,671 --> 00:01:04,629 Didn't see anything, but she was pretty shaken up. 15 00:01:04,629 --> 00:01:06,240 Said she was the most intelligent 16 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:08,285 and driven woman she'd ever met. 17 00:01:08,285 --> 00:01:10,070 Where is this classmate now? 18 00:01:10,070 --> 00:01:12,202 EMTs are treating her for shock. 19 00:01:12,202 --> 00:01:13,421 Evidence of a break-in? 20 00:01:13,421 --> 00:01:15,988 No, looks like it all went down outside. 21 00:01:15,988 --> 00:01:17,599 - Cameras? - Afraid not. 22 00:01:17,599 --> 00:01:20,384 Off-campus housing. Security's pretty lax. 23 00:01:20,384 --> 00:01:22,212 All right, let's see what footage we can find 24 00:01:22,212 --> 00:01:24,432 from businesses and traffic cams, huh? 25 00:01:24,432 --> 00:01:27,348 I'd ballpark time of death as 9:30. 26 00:01:27,348 --> 00:01:28,653 Any indication of assault? 27 00:01:28,653 --> 00:01:30,525 No. But some blood splatter. 28 00:01:30,525 --> 00:01:31,874 Means the shooter was point blank. 29 00:01:31,874 --> 00:01:33,049 I'll check inside. 30 00:01:33,049 --> 00:01:34,094 Probably got hit with some droplets. 31 00:01:34,094 --> 00:01:35,530 Yup. 32 00:01:39,011 --> 00:01:41,492 "Thinking of you." 33 00:01:41,492 --> 00:01:43,364 Doesn't say who it's from or where it's from. 34 00:01:43,364 --> 00:01:46,454 Can you bag that? Thanks. 35 00:01:46,454 --> 00:01:48,630 You already check this? 36 00:01:50,022 --> 00:01:52,547 Cell phone still here. 37 00:01:52,547 --> 00:01:55,463 Wallet, credit cards, money. 38 00:01:55,463 --> 00:01:57,465 Doesn't look like anyone tossed the place. 39 00:01:57,465 --> 00:01:59,728 There's jewelry still along the nightstand. 40 00:01:59,728 --> 00:02:01,730 So it's not a robbery, not an assault. 41 00:02:01,730 --> 00:02:02,861 Double tap to the chest. 42 00:02:02,861 --> 00:02:04,167 Starting to feel like an execution. 43 00:02:04,167 --> 00:02:06,343 The question is why. - Sad. 44 00:02:06,343 --> 00:02:08,780 Seems like she was going places too. 45 00:02:08,780 --> 00:02:10,652 Too bad she'll never get there now. 46 00:03:01,311 --> 00:03:03,618 I was dropping off a statistics outline 47 00:03:03,618 --> 00:03:06,316 Em had loaned me. Saw this van speeding off. 48 00:03:06,316 --> 00:03:07,752 What'd the van look like? 49 00:03:07,752 --> 00:03:10,538 Uh, blue. Green stripe down the side. 50 00:03:10,538 --> 00:03:13,018 You get a look at the plates or the driver? 51 00:03:13,018 --> 00:03:14,629 Sorry. No. 52 00:03:14,629 --> 00:03:17,066 How well did you know the victim? 53 00:03:17,066 --> 00:03:18,720 We were study partners. 54 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:22,245 Can you think of anybody she had a problem with? 55 00:03:23,638 --> 00:03:25,248 Yeah. 56 00:03:25,248 --> 00:03:26,771 We'd get drinks at this place 57 00:03:26,771 --> 00:03:29,252 in Dumbo on Wednesdays called Ewing's. 58 00:03:29,252 --> 00:03:31,036 She didn't want to go last week. 59 00:03:31,036 --> 00:03:34,126 Said she was fighting with one of the bartenders. 60 00:03:34,126 --> 00:03:35,258 You know what the issue was about? 61 00:03:35,258 --> 00:03:36,912 No. 62 00:03:36,912 --> 00:03:40,437 But he apparently followed her to the library the other day. 63 00:03:47,227 --> 00:03:48,880 Sorry, guys, not open till five. 64 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:51,056 Nathan Brae. 65 00:03:51,056 --> 00:03:52,319 Who's asking? 66 00:03:52,319 --> 00:03:53,450 We're New York City detectives. 67 00:03:53,450 --> 00:03:55,060 We need a word. 68 00:04:10,728 --> 00:04:12,252 Give me your hands. Give me your hands. 69 00:04:12,252 --> 00:04:14,210 I didn't do anything wrong. 70 00:04:18,301 --> 00:04:19,346 I only ran because I had coke on me. 71 00:04:19,346 --> 00:04:20,651 I didn't want to get in trouble. 72 00:04:20,651 --> 00:04:22,784 Good instincts, so unless you start talking, 73 00:04:22,784 --> 00:04:24,568 we're gonna charge you with possession. 74 00:04:24,568 --> 00:04:27,397 What's your beef with Emily Wade? 75 00:04:27,397 --> 00:04:29,356 I was dating her friend, Alli. 76 00:04:29,356 --> 00:04:30,748 It was going good, too, 77 00:04:30,748 --> 00:04:32,794 until she dumped me out of the blue last week. 78 00:04:32,794 --> 00:04:35,013 Turns out Emily's been dissing me all over the place. 79 00:04:35,013 --> 00:04:36,754 I was pissed. - Is that why you followed her 80 00:04:36,754 --> 00:04:39,409 to the library? - Yeah. 81 00:04:39,409 --> 00:04:40,932 I told her to stay the hell out of my life 82 00:04:40,932 --> 00:04:42,717 and then some muscle-head gets in between us 83 00:04:42,717 --> 00:04:44,327 and tells me to back off, so I did. 84 00:04:44,327 --> 00:04:46,503 And you didn't go back to her place later that evening, 85 00:04:46,503 --> 00:04:48,070 try to finish the conversation? - No. 86 00:04:48,070 --> 00:04:49,898 There's no point, you know? 87 00:04:49,898 --> 00:04:51,595 - So where were you? - What do you mean? 88 00:04:51,595 --> 00:04:54,424 Why do you care? - Because Emily Wade is dead. 89 00:04:56,339 --> 00:04:59,821 Nathan Brae's alibi checks out. Nothing on canvass either. 90 00:04:59,821 --> 00:05:01,649 Any next of kin we can talk to? 91 00:05:01,649 --> 00:05:02,867 Nobody even to notify. 92 00:05:02,867 --> 00:05:04,478 Her parents died when she was five. 93 00:05:04,478 --> 00:05:05,783 She was raised in foster care. 94 00:05:05,783 --> 00:05:08,220 So what about this mysterious blue van? 95 00:05:08,220 --> 00:05:09,961 Snake eyes. 96 00:05:09,961 --> 00:05:12,355 Got something here, Lieutenant. 97 00:05:12,355 --> 00:05:14,966 This is last Wednesday afternoon 98 00:05:14,966 --> 00:05:17,795 outside Drummond Library. 99 00:05:17,795 --> 00:05:20,363 There's our boy, giving her the what for. 100 00:05:20,363 --> 00:05:23,714 The argument doesn't get very far. 101 00:05:23,714 --> 00:05:25,934 Huh, looks like our Good Samaritan's 102 00:05:25,934 --> 00:05:27,762 no random bystander. 103 00:05:27,762 --> 00:05:29,546 Any chance we can get an ID? 104 00:05:29,546 --> 00:05:31,461 I already sent the image to FIS. 105 00:05:31,461 --> 00:05:33,681 This is what they just sent back. 106 00:05:33,681 --> 00:05:36,379 Bobby Gorman, 28, ex-Marine. 107 00:05:36,379 --> 00:05:39,513 Any recent contact with Emily? 108 00:05:39,513 --> 00:05:42,167 Lot of romantic back and forth. 109 00:05:42,167 --> 00:05:43,517 Whoa. 110 00:05:43,517 --> 00:05:46,476 Punctuated by a nasty DM he sent early yesterday 111 00:05:46,476 --> 00:05:49,349 accusing her of cheating on him. 112 00:05:49,349 --> 00:05:52,308 "I'm so angry, I could kill you." 113 00:05:52,308 --> 00:05:55,355 We got an address on this charmer? 114 00:05:55,355 --> 00:05:57,661 - Sheepshead Bay. - All right, guys. 115 00:05:57,661 --> 00:06:00,360 Dust off your E-ZPass. You're going to Brooklyn. 116 00:06:06,975 --> 00:06:10,457 I found out about Emily on Citizen. 117 00:06:10,457 --> 00:06:12,372 I can't believe she's gone. 118 00:06:12,372 --> 00:06:14,199 Were you two together? 119 00:06:14,199 --> 00:06:15,679 For a few months. 120 00:06:15,679 --> 00:06:19,161 - How was it going? - Ups and downs. 121 00:06:19,161 --> 00:06:21,468 But I saw a future there. 122 00:06:21,468 --> 00:06:23,818 Let's talk about those downs then, huh? 123 00:06:23,818 --> 00:06:27,343 Like you threatening to kill her. 124 00:06:27,343 --> 00:06:29,432 What? You think I did this? 125 00:06:29,432 --> 00:06:30,651 We think you need to explain why 126 00:06:30,651 --> 00:06:34,176 you were sending her threatening texts. 127 00:06:34,176 --> 00:06:35,830 I felt terrible about that. 128 00:06:35,830 --> 00:06:38,267 I was just venting. - About what? 129 00:06:38,267 --> 00:06:40,487 All she did was study. 130 00:06:40,487 --> 00:06:42,184 Barely had any time for me. 131 00:06:42,184 --> 00:06:44,186 So I showed up at her place on Thursday 132 00:06:44,186 --> 00:06:46,449 to surprise her with Knicks tickets, 133 00:06:46,449 --> 00:06:49,844 but she was on her way out, all dressed up. 134 00:06:49,844 --> 00:06:53,543 She claimed she had a family issue to deal with. 135 00:06:53,543 --> 00:06:55,850 You go by her place last night for any reason? 136 00:06:55,850 --> 00:06:58,461 No. 137 00:06:58,461 --> 00:07:02,160 Look, I didn't kill her. 138 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:04,902 I loved her. 139 00:07:07,775 --> 00:07:11,256 Key card to Gorman's loft confirms his alibi. 140 00:07:11,256 --> 00:07:13,041 So where are we with 141 00:07:13,041 --> 00:07:16,261 the unspecified family issues that he alluded to? 142 00:07:16,261 --> 00:07:18,220 Still looking for the family. 143 00:07:18,220 --> 00:07:21,397 All right, so let's work back from the time of the murder. 144 00:07:21,397 --> 00:07:23,747 What was Emily doing that day? Where was she? 145 00:07:23,747 --> 00:07:25,619 Who was she with? - Already on it. 146 00:07:25,619 --> 00:07:27,229 I pulled Emily's financials. 147 00:07:27,229 --> 00:07:31,233 Found an Uber charge the day of the murder at 4:14 p.m. 148 00:07:31,233 --> 00:07:33,365 - Hmm. - Where'd she go? 149 00:07:37,848 --> 00:07:41,417 Yes, I met with the poor soul 150 00:07:41,417 --> 00:07:43,593 day before yesterday. - About what? 151 00:07:43,593 --> 00:07:46,291 Her foster brother, Lonnie, is a member here. 152 00:07:46,291 --> 00:07:48,511 She was worried about him. 153 00:07:48,511 --> 00:07:51,209 What was she worried about, Pastor Butler? 154 00:07:51,209 --> 00:07:54,909 Uh, it's Pastor Mike, and no offense, Detectives, 155 00:07:54,909 --> 00:07:58,608 but I take my parishioners' privacy very seriously. 156 00:07:58,608 --> 00:08:01,742 We understand, but Emily was murdered shortly after 157 00:08:01,742 --> 00:08:04,048 she left here, so you have to understand 158 00:08:04,048 --> 00:08:08,357 that we need to know why she was so concerned about him. 159 00:08:08,357 --> 00:08:10,794 Yes. 160 00:08:10,794 --> 00:08:13,101 He'd been asking her for money. 161 00:08:13,101 --> 00:08:15,451 She was worried about the direction his life was taking. 162 00:08:15,451 --> 00:08:17,758 What direction are we talking about? 163 00:08:17,758 --> 00:08:20,761 She asked that I motivate him to find a job. 164 00:08:20,761 --> 00:08:24,329 I told her I would do my best and she left. 165 00:08:24,329 --> 00:08:26,854 Excuse me for a second. Reverend Sherman. 166 00:08:28,899 --> 00:08:31,336 Liturgy looks perfect, Henry. Thank you. 167 00:08:33,687 --> 00:08:35,471 Lord's work is never done. 168 00:08:35,471 --> 00:08:36,864 Speaking of the Lord's work-- 169 00:08:36,864 --> 00:08:38,561 it's been a minute since I was an altar boy, 170 00:08:38,561 --> 00:08:42,609 but why would Emily think career advice 171 00:08:42,609 --> 00:08:44,872 is something that's in your portfolio? 172 00:08:44,872 --> 00:08:49,180 The success of our flock glorifies God, 173 00:08:49,180 --> 00:08:51,922 so part of our work is to guide them to milk and honey. 174 00:08:51,922 --> 00:08:55,012 As Jesus said, "I came that they may have life 175 00:08:55,012 --> 00:08:56,753 and have it abundantly." 176 00:08:56,753 --> 00:08:58,625 And that's your thing? Abundance? 177 00:08:58,625 --> 00:09:02,803 Yes. My congregation is very generous. 178 00:09:02,803 --> 00:09:04,761 - Thank you for your time. - Thank you. 179 00:09:04,761 --> 00:09:07,459 We'll let you know if there's any follow-up. 180 00:09:10,462 --> 00:09:13,814 - Jesus, Mary, and Joseph. - Tell me how you really feel. 181 00:09:13,814 --> 00:09:16,294 Don't tell me you didn't see that fancy, schmancy suit 182 00:09:16,294 --> 00:09:17,687 and $10,000 watch. 183 00:09:17,687 --> 00:09:19,994 He's bleeding that congregation dry. 184 00:09:19,994 --> 00:09:21,648 It's a little more complicated than that. 185 00:09:21,648 --> 00:09:24,302 A guy like that-- he takes, but he also gives. 186 00:09:24,302 --> 00:09:26,348 How so? 187 00:09:26,348 --> 00:09:28,611 Some of these folks are having trouble finding a job, 188 00:09:28,611 --> 00:09:30,961 paying rent, even harder time staying positive. 189 00:09:30,961 --> 00:09:32,484 No different from any church I know. 190 00:09:32,484 --> 00:09:33,703 Yeah, but Pastor Mike 191 00:09:33,703 --> 00:09:35,400 fills a void for people who feel hopeless. 192 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:37,968 He's modeling success 193 00:09:37,968 --> 00:09:39,927 so that his congregation has something to aspire to. 194 00:09:39,927 --> 00:09:42,538 - Not my idea of religion. - Not mine either. 195 00:09:42,538 --> 00:09:45,236 But religion is whatever works for you, right? 196 00:09:45,236 --> 00:09:47,848 So some people think it's the body of Christ 197 00:09:47,848 --> 00:09:49,197 being represented by a wafer. 198 00:09:49,197 --> 00:09:51,678 Some people think it's ponying up so the pastor 199 00:09:51,678 --> 00:09:53,680 can wear a Rolex. - I am not buying it. 200 00:09:53,680 --> 00:09:57,031 He's not selling it to you. 201 00:09:57,031 --> 00:09:58,554 Prosperity means something different 202 00:09:58,554 --> 00:10:01,470 when you grow up poor and Black, Frank. 203 00:10:01,470 --> 00:10:03,559 Fair enough. 204 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:05,126 Let's check with Emily's foster brother. 205 00:10:05,126 --> 00:10:06,780 See what he knows. 206 00:10:06,780 --> 00:10:09,783 Emily and I spent five years in this group home in Canarsie. 207 00:10:09,783 --> 00:10:12,568 The only thing we got out of that place was each other. 208 00:10:14,614 --> 00:10:16,485 She was my big sis. 209 00:10:16,485 --> 00:10:18,835 - Sorry for your loss, Lonnie. - Yeah. 210 00:10:18,835 --> 00:10:20,402 We're trying to piece together 211 00:10:20,402 --> 00:10:22,056 Emily's movements two days ago. 212 00:10:22,056 --> 00:10:23,927 When was the last time you saw her? 213 00:10:25,755 --> 00:10:29,498 I went by her place about lunch. 214 00:10:29,498 --> 00:10:32,153 Now, would you say that was a social call or something else? 215 00:10:34,372 --> 00:10:36,157 I needed her to float me rent. 216 00:10:36,157 --> 00:10:37,680 Oh, you were having money problems? 217 00:10:37,680 --> 00:10:41,249 I got laid off a month ago. 218 00:10:41,249 --> 00:10:42,946 Savings are a little light. 219 00:10:42,946 --> 00:10:46,950 I mean, I couldn't imagine how that conversation might go 220 00:10:46,950 --> 00:10:50,562 between me and my sister if I was asking her to pay my rent. 221 00:10:50,562 --> 00:10:53,435 You guys didn't fight or argue, did you? 222 00:10:53,435 --> 00:10:56,699 No, she was happy to do it. 223 00:10:56,699 --> 00:10:59,615 She even had the money wired to my landlord. 224 00:10:59,615 --> 00:11:00,964 How much money we talking about? 225 00:11:00,964 --> 00:11:02,662 Two grand. 226 00:11:04,098 --> 00:11:06,709 Yeah, well, the brother's story checks out. 227 00:11:06,709 --> 00:11:08,798 Then let's follow the money trail. 228 00:11:08,798 --> 00:11:11,801 Communication just finished the work up on her device. 229 00:11:11,801 --> 00:11:14,717 GPS puts her at the corner of 11th and Avenue C 230 00:11:14,717 --> 00:11:17,067 right after eight on the night of the murder. 231 00:11:17,067 --> 00:11:19,287 The address is a match for a pawn shop 232 00:11:19,287 --> 00:11:20,854 called Sid's Jewelry and Loans. 233 00:11:20,854 --> 00:11:23,117 There ought to be security cams on that street, right? 234 00:11:23,117 --> 00:11:24,509 Searching now. 235 00:11:24,509 --> 00:11:26,947 Pawn shop's got them on front and back. 236 00:11:26,947 --> 00:11:28,644 This is at 8:20. 237 00:11:28,644 --> 00:11:30,124 That looks like Emily. 238 00:11:30,124 --> 00:11:32,648 Hey, can you get in tighter on that guy? 239 00:11:32,648 --> 00:11:35,129 Yes, but you never see his face. 240 00:11:35,129 --> 00:11:38,219 All right, well, fast forward on the tape. 241 00:11:38,219 --> 00:11:40,961 - This is 8:32. - She hawks something, 242 00:11:40,961 --> 00:11:43,137 and then an hour later, she's dead. 243 00:11:43,137 --> 00:11:45,748 GPS confirms her next stop was home. 244 00:11:47,968 --> 00:11:50,361 Freeze that. 245 00:11:50,361 --> 00:11:53,843 Yeah, blue van, green pinstripe. 246 00:11:53,843 --> 00:11:55,932 Got a shot of the driver too. 247 00:11:55,932 --> 00:11:58,630 Can't make out details, but it looks like a Black male 248 00:11:58,630 --> 00:12:02,069 wearing the same New York logo hat as the guy on the street. 249 00:12:02,069 --> 00:12:04,375 Could fit the bill of the van leaving the murder scene. 250 00:12:04,375 --> 00:12:05,812 Can you pull up the registration? 251 00:12:05,812 --> 00:12:08,553 Plate comes back to Ruben Grandy, 252 00:12:08,553 --> 00:12:10,164 Astoria. 253 00:12:10,164 --> 00:12:11,643 He's got priors for armed robbery. 254 00:12:11,643 --> 00:12:13,254 All right, bring him in. 255 00:12:22,567 --> 00:12:24,178 Police! 256 00:12:24,178 --> 00:12:25,657 Show me your hands. - Don't move! 257 00:12:25,657 --> 00:12:27,355 Take it easy, fellas. 258 00:12:27,355 --> 00:12:29,879 - Who else is here? - Nobody, I swear to God. 259 00:12:29,879 --> 00:12:31,402 - All rooms clear. - Clear. 260 00:12:31,402 --> 00:12:33,709 - Let's go. - All right, keep your hands up 261 00:12:33,709 --> 00:12:35,624 and stand up for me. Let's go. 262 00:12:35,624 --> 00:12:36,799 All right, but I'ma need my crutches. 263 00:12:36,799 --> 00:12:38,627 I got a broken leg. 264 00:12:48,115 --> 00:12:51,292 I told you, I was playing poker here with some friends. 265 00:12:51,292 --> 00:12:54,121 - Where's your van? - Gave it away a few weeks ago. 266 00:12:54,121 --> 00:12:56,558 - To who? - My church. First Harmony. 267 00:12:56,558 --> 00:12:58,821 Cast won't come off till summer, so I can't drive. 268 00:12:58,821 --> 00:13:00,780 I was happy to send it their way too. 269 00:13:00,780 --> 00:13:03,391 - And why's that? - Guy that runs the church, 270 00:13:03,391 --> 00:13:06,829 Pastor Mike, he's a good man. 271 00:13:06,829 --> 00:13:09,310 Found me a job when I got out of Sing Sing. 272 00:13:09,310 --> 00:13:11,834 So Pastor Mike is the one driving the van now. 273 00:13:11,834 --> 00:13:14,532 No, he gave it to the vice pastor, 274 00:13:14,532 --> 00:13:16,839 Reverend Sherman. 275 00:13:16,839 --> 00:13:19,755 Yes, I was driving Ruben's van. 276 00:13:19,755 --> 00:13:21,583 My car is in the shop. 277 00:13:21,583 --> 00:13:23,106 Where'd you go after you left the church? 278 00:13:23,106 --> 00:13:24,804 Home. 279 00:13:24,804 --> 00:13:27,415 You have any interaction with Emily Wade couple nights ago? 280 00:13:27,415 --> 00:13:29,678 - Who? - Emily Wade. 281 00:13:29,678 --> 00:13:31,898 Her brother's Lonnie Ballard. He's a congregant. 282 00:13:31,898 --> 00:13:34,683 Mm. 283 00:13:34,683 --> 00:13:36,032 Before I say anything else, 284 00:13:36,032 --> 00:13:37,773 I need to know why you're asking that. 285 00:13:37,773 --> 00:13:39,427 That van was used in the commission 286 00:13:39,427 --> 00:13:41,821 of the murder of Emily Wade. 287 00:13:41,821 --> 00:13:43,257 You accusing me of something? 288 00:13:43,257 --> 00:13:45,172 You stop by a pawn shop that night around 8:30, 289 00:13:45,172 --> 00:13:48,915 maybe one on 11th and Avenue C? - No. 290 00:13:48,915 --> 00:13:50,655 So you're saying you went straight home 291 00:13:50,655 --> 00:13:52,005 from First Harmony and you never left. 292 00:13:52,005 --> 00:13:54,877 Is that right, Henry? - It's Reverend Sherman. 293 00:13:54,877 --> 00:13:56,966 You'd do well to remember who you're talking to. 294 00:14:00,796 --> 00:14:03,712 We know exactly who we're talking to. 295 00:14:03,712 --> 00:14:05,714 An ex-con with a rap sheet as long as my arm 296 00:14:05,714 --> 00:14:07,890 and a seven-year stint in Fishkill. 297 00:14:07,890 --> 00:14:09,936 And now, all of a sudden, you're a man of the cloth? 298 00:14:09,936 --> 00:14:12,025 - Meaning what? - Meaning you're no bishop, 299 00:14:12,025 --> 00:14:14,288 so you need to account for your whereabouts two nights ago. 300 00:14:14,288 --> 00:14:17,595 The only one I need to account to is God. 301 00:14:17,595 --> 00:14:19,641 And I won't stand here and be insulted... 302 00:14:19,641 --> 00:14:21,295 - Hey. - For devoting my life 303 00:14:21,295 --> 00:14:22,818 to the almighty. - Calm down. 304 00:14:22,818 --> 00:14:24,646 - You can see yourselves out. - You're on parole. 305 00:14:24,646 --> 00:14:26,126 You're not going anywhere. 306 00:14:26,126 --> 00:14:28,302 both: Hey, hey. Wait. - Yo, take your hands off of me. 307 00:14:28,302 --> 00:14:30,304 Hey, Henry. 308 00:14:30,304 --> 00:14:32,349 We got a church too. 309 00:14:32,349 --> 00:14:34,699 And putting hands on my partner, 310 00:14:34,699 --> 00:14:36,788 that's a sin. 311 00:14:38,312 --> 00:14:40,662 Let's try this again. - I already told you. 312 00:14:40,662 --> 00:14:42,969 I was at the church until six then I went home. 313 00:14:42,969 --> 00:14:44,927 How do you explain the fact that you were seen 314 00:14:44,927 --> 00:14:46,973 in that van driving away from the church? 315 00:14:46,973 --> 00:14:49,889 That same van was spotted a few hours later 316 00:14:49,889 --> 00:14:51,716 fleeing the scene of Emily's shooting. 317 00:14:51,716 --> 00:14:53,066 Someone else had to be driving it. 318 00:14:53,066 --> 00:14:54,937 Somebody else is driving your van? 319 00:14:54,937 --> 00:14:57,679 Yeah, I left the keys on the front tire when I parked it. 320 00:14:57,679 --> 00:14:59,202 And why would you do that? 321 00:14:59,202 --> 00:15:01,335 So parishioners in need of transportation can use it. 322 00:15:01,335 --> 00:15:04,294 You got callers for possession and burglary. 323 00:15:04,294 --> 00:15:07,515 Maybe you're using again. Maybe you're hard up for cash 324 00:15:07,515 --> 00:15:09,212 and you saw Emily as an easy target. 325 00:15:09,212 --> 00:15:10,648 - You're wrong. - I don't think I am. 326 00:15:10,648 --> 00:15:13,956 I'm searching your van. 327 00:15:13,956 --> 00:15:16,045 - You okay with all this? - With what? 328 00:15:16,045 --> 00:15:17,351 End of the day, 329 00:15:17,351 --> 00:15:20,745 you got to decide whose side you're really on. 330 00:15:20,745 --> 00:15:22,834 I've already decided, brother. 331 00:15:22,834 --> 00:15:25,533 I'm on God's side. 332 00:15:25,533 --> 00:15:28,057 Turns out, he doesn't like murder. 333 00:15:29,798 --> 00:15:32,844 There's a baseball cap with a New York logo on it 334 00:15:32,844 --> 00:15:35,717 and there's blood on the armrest. 335 00:15:35,717 --> 00:15:37,675 Blood. 336 00:15:37,675 --> 00:15:39,721 You want to explain that? - I'm not talking. 337 00:15:39,721 --> 00:15:41,114 Well, maybe you'll talk to a jury. 338 00:15:41,114 --> 00:15:43,116 You're under arrest for the murder of Emily Wade. 339 00:15:46,771 --> 00:15:49,296 Calling docket ending in 2129. 340 00:15:49,296 --> 00:15:50,906 People versus Henry Sherman 341 00:15:50,906 --> 00:15:53,387 charged with murder in the second degree. 342 00:15:53,387 --> 00:15:54,954 How does the defendant plead? 343 00:15:54,954 --> 00:15:56,999 Not guilty, Your Honor. 344 00:15:56,999 --> 00:15:58,958 I'll hear the people on bail. 345 00:15:58,958 --> 00:16:00,263 We're seeking remand. 346 00:16:00,263 --> 00:16:02,700 The defendant stalked the victim, 347 00:16:02,700 --> 00:16:05,442 followed her home, then shot her to death 348 00:16:05,442 --> 00:16:07,183 during a botched robbery. 349 00:16:07,183 --> 00:16:08,880 Evidence is substantial. 350 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:10,926 We found the victim's blood in a van 351 00:16:10,926 --> 00:16:12,754 that the defendant had control over-- 352 00:16:12,754 --> 00:16:15,800 the same van seen leaving the victim's apartment 353 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:18,107 shortly after the murder. - Mr. Gale. 354 00:16:18,107 --> 00:16:21,589 My client is a highly respected member of the clergy. 355 00:16:21,589 --> 00:16:23,025 With a lengthy criminal record. 356 00:16:23,025 --> 00:16:26,507 Who's lived an exemplary life since finding God. 357 00:16:26,507 --> 00:16:29,597 There's no eye witnesses, no gun, 358 00:16:29,597 --> 00:16:31,207 no evidence of motive. 359 00:16:31,207 --> 00:16:35,342 No one can put my client behind the wheel of that van 360 00:16:35,342 --> 00:16:37,257 at the time of the murder. 361 00:16:37,257 --> 00:16:40,086 An argument you're free to make at trial, Mr. Gale. 362 00:16:40,086 --> 00:16:42,262 Bail is set at $1 million. 363 00:16:45,743 --> 00:16:50,009 Case is solid, but our motive is still weak. 364 00:16:50,009 --> 00:16:52,968 Why on Earth would this man kill Emily Wade? 365 00:16:52,968 --> 00:16:55,405 Does it matter? If we can prove he shot her, 366 00:16:55,405 --> 00:16:57,320 his motive's irrelevant. 367 00:16:57,320 --> 00:16:59,931 My mentor taught me that. 368 00:16:59,931 --> 00:17:02,064 Yes, but he also taught you 369 00:17:02,064 --> 00:17:04,980 juries hate cases that don't make sense. 370 00:17:04,980 --> 00:17:07,852 You're right. He did. 371 00:17:07,852 --> 00:17:10,986 So let's dig deeper. 372 00:17:10,986 --> 00:17:14,381 Find a credible reason why Sherman wanted to kill Emily. 373 00:17:14,381 --> 00:17:18,037 Scour his texts, email, phone records, financials. 374 00:17:21,692 --> 00:17:24,652 Mm-hmm. 375 00:17:24,652 --> 00:17:28,264 A V12. - Gentlemen. 376 00:17:28,264 --> 00:17:30,049 Pastor Mike. 377 00:17:30,049 --> 00:17:31,876 Nice ride. You got a minute? 378 00:17:31,876 --> 00:17:34,488 I'd love to chat, but I'm late. 379 00:17:34,488 --> 00:17:36,620 One of my oldest and dearest congregants is quite ill. 380 00:17:36,620 --> 00:17:39,623 I'm heading over to the hospital to pray with him. 381 00:17:39,623 --> 00:17:41,321 Help him find peace before he passes. 382 00:17:41,321 --> 00:17:43,497 Oh, that's fantastic, so this won't take long. 383 00:17:43,497 --> 00:17:44,672 We just have a few questions. 384 00:17:44,672 --> 00:17:46,065 Sorry, I can't. Not now. 385 00:17:46,065 --> 00:17:48,197 Oh, you misunderstand my kindness here. 386 00:17:48,197 --> 00:17:51,505 I'm not asking. I'm telling. 387 00:17:51,505 --> 00:17:53,333 You're telling? 388 00:17:53,333 --> 00:17:55,030 No, you don't get to tell me a damn thing. 389 00:17:55,030 --> 00:17:57,163 Sure I do. For starters, I'm telling you 390 00:17:57,163 --> 00:17:58,947 that we know that vice Pastor Sherman 391 00:17:58,947 --> 00:18:03,778 deposited a $50,000 check a day after Emily Wade was shot. 392 00:18:03,778 --> 00:18:05,519 So? 393 00:18:05,519 --> 00:18:08,043 So we want to know what the check was for. 394 00:18:08,043 --> 00:18:09,958 - It's a private matter. - Private? 395 00:18:09,958 --> 00:18:12,091 Sherman was charged with murder, 396 00:18:12,091 --> 00:18:15,398 so anything he has said or done is now a public matter. 397 00:18:17,183 --> 00:18:19,794 I'm done talking, so you can either arrest me 398 00:18:19,794 --> 00:18:22,188 or step out of my way. 399 00:18:29,108 --> 00:18:30,979 Good day. 400 00:18:42,121 --> 00:18:44,079 Does your pastor drive a Bentley? 401 00:18:44,079 --> 00:18:46,429 I don't go to church enough to know. 402 00:18:52,827 --> 00:18:55,569 A superseding indictment for first-degree murder. 403 00:18:55,569 --> 00:18:58,485 On what basis? - Murder for hire. 404 00:18:58,485 --> 00:19:02,793 Pastor Mike paid your client to kill Emily Wade. 405 00:19:02,793 --> 00:19:04,447 Is this a joke? 406 00:19:04,447 --> 00:19:06,797 Here are 50,000 reasons it's not. 407 00:19:08,669 --> 00:19:11,933 So he makes a $50,000 deposit. 408 00:19:11,933 --> 00:19:14,240 Who cares? - I'm guessing the jury might 409 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:16,111 since it was the day after the murder 410 00:19:16,111 --> 00:19:17,591 from a First Harmony account. 411 00:19:17,591 --> 00:19:21,203 And phone logs show Mr. Sherman called Pastor Mike 412 00:19:21,203 --> 00:19:24,598 just before and after Emily Wade was shot to death. 413 00:19:24,598 --> 00:19:26,774 Look, if we're right, and we are, 414 00:19:26,774 --> 00:19:29,646 you would be wise to cooperate. 415 00:19:29,646 --> 00:19:32,867 Tell us what really happened, or there's a very good chance 416 00:19:32,867 --> 00:19:36,436 you'll die in prison. 417 00:19:36,436 --> 00:19:39,221 I've got nothing to say. 418 00:19:39,221 --> 00:19:43,399 You feel obligation to Pastor Mike 419 00:19:43,399 --> 00:19:45,662 because he took you in, 420 00:19:45,662 --> 00:19:48,012 he gave you a job, a purpose. 421 00:19:48,012 --> 00:19:51,581 But what he really did is use you. 422 00:19:51,581 --> 00:19:56,020 That's why you're here taking the rap and he's not. 423 00:19:58,806 --> 00:20:01,765 Murder two, 15 years. 424 00:20:03,463 --> 00:20:05,334 I'm not a rat. 425 00:20:14,474 --> 00:20:17,216 Hold on. Wait. 426 00:20:23,178 --> 00:20:26,616 How about man one, ten years flat? 427 00:20:26,616 --> 00:20:29,663 We're listening. 428 00:20:29,663 --> 00:20:32,448 Pastor Mike was nervous. 429 00:20:32,448 --> 00:20:35,016 Said that Emily was a problem. 430 00:20:35,016 --> 00:20:37,148 That we needed to shut her ass up. 431 00:20:37,148 --> 00:20:40,804 What did he mean by that? 432 00:20:40,804 --> 00:20:43,851 He wanted me to kill her. 433 00:20:46,810 --> 00:20:48,682 Why would he want to do that? 434 00:20:48,682 --> 00:20:53,034 She told Pastor Mike she was gonna call the police 435 00:20:53,034 --> 00:20:55,950 if he didn't return her brother's donation. 436 00:20:55,950 --> 00:20:58,300 Let them know what's really going on in the church. 437 00:20:58,300 --> 00:21:02,043 - Is that some sort of secret? - No. 438 00:21:02,043 --> 00:21:04,872 But Pastor Mike doesn't like paying taxes 439 00:21:04,872 --> 00:21:09,311 or going to jail, so he panicked. 440 00:21:09,311 --> 00:21:11,618 Okay. 441 00:21:11,618 --> 00:21:13,054 Yeah, we got a deal, 442 00:21:13,054 --> 00:21:15,970 assuming your story checks out, of course. 443 00:21:20,279 --> 00:21:24,413 Did you give or donate money to Pastor Mike? 444 00:21:24,413 --> 00:21:26,546 Yes. 445 00:21:26,546 --> 00:21:28,112 $40,000. 446 00:21:28,112 --> 00:21:31,333 - Did Emily know about this? - Yes. 447 00:21:31,333 --> 00:21:33,379 I told her that day I asked her to help me pay the rent. 448 00:21:33,379 --> 00:21:37,165 Well, when she heard about the donation, was she upset? 449 00:21:37,165 --> 00:21:41,343 Did she tell you she was going to go get your money back? 450 00:21:41,343 --> 00:21:44,346 She was upset. She thought I was an idiot. 451 00:21:44,346 --> 00:21:46,261 But she didn't think like I did. 452 00:21:46,261 --> 00:21:50,352 She's not a believer like me. 453 00:21:50,352 --> 00:21:53,312 Wait. 454 00:21:53,312 --> 00:21:54,748 You think Pastor Mike has something to do 455 00:21:54,748 --> 00:21:56,619 with her murder? 456 00:21:56,619 --> 00:21:58,099 That is correct. 457 00:21:58,099 --> 00:22:00,231 When she found out you gave him that money, 458 00:22:00,231 --> 00:22:03,713 she stormed over to the church and demanded he give it back. 459 00:22:03,713 --> 00:22:06,020 Or she would inform the police about his antics. 460 00:22:06,020 --> 00:22:07,543 What do you mean antics? 461 00:22:07,543 --> 00:22:10,372 Buying houses and boats with his congregants' 462 00:22:10,372 --> 00:22:12,461 hard-earned cash. - You're wrong. 463 00:22:12,461 --> 00:22:14,507 The money we give helps with prosperity. 464 00:22:14,507 --> 00:22:16,117 It's part of the gospel. 465 00:22:16,117 --> 00:22:17,858 I know this is hard for you to hear-- 466 00:22:17,858 --> 00:22:19,947 Pastor Mike would never hurt Emily. 467 00:22:19,947 --> 00:22:21,427 He's a healer. 468 00:22:21,427 --> 00:22:26,083 I mean, if it wasn't for him, I'd probably be dead. 469 00:22:26,083 --> 00:22:27,998 I mean, he got me off heroin. 470 00:22:31,611 --> 00:22:33,613 And with all due respect, 471 00:22:33,613 --> 00:22:37,138 that has nothing to do with your sister's case. 472 00:22:40,141 --> 00:22:43,536 I think I've had enough. 473 00:22:43,536 --> 00:22:46,147 Please leave. 474 00:22:46,147 --> 00:22:48,323 Now. 475 00:22:52,196 --> 00:22:53,502 Let me get this straight. 476 00:22:53,502 --> 00:22:56,375 You want to go after a pillar of the community, 477 00:22:56,375 --> 00:22:58,812 a clergyman, 478 00:22:58,812 --> 00:23:00,683 on the word of a convicted felon 479 00:23:00,683 --> 00:23:02,468 with every reason to trade up. 480 00:23:02,468 --> 00:23:05,384 We believe Henry Sherman is telling the truth. 481 00:23:05,384 --> 00:23:08,038 The victim's brother confirmed the crux of his story. 482 00:23:08,038 --> 00:23:10,954 That's great, but Sherman is still the felon 483 00:23:10,954 --> 00:23:13,870 with a fantastic motive to lie his ass off. 484 00:23:13,870 --> 00:23:16,264 We're talking about a religious leader 485 00:23:16,264 --> 00:23:19,615 who orchestrated someone's murder to cover up his scheme. 486 00:23:19,615 --> 00:23:22,313 If we don't at least try to hold someone like that 487 00:23:22,313 --> 00:23:24,925 accountable, we're in the wrong line of work. 488 00:23:29,233 --> 00:23:32,672 Put Pastor Mike on trial, not his church. 489 00:23:32,672 --> 00:23:36,415 If you lose religious jurors, you won't have a prayer. 490 00:23:39,287 --> 00:23:42,769 choir: ♪ Gonna lay down my burden 491 00:23:42,769 --> 00:23:45,206 ♪ Down by the riverside 492 00:23:45,206 --> 00:23:49,993 ♪ Study war no more - Yes. 493 00:23:49,993 --> 00:23:51,691 Lord. 494 00:23:51,691 --> 00:23:54,215 They live. - Yes. 495 00:23:54,215 --> 00:23:57,044 - Praise the Lord. - Yeah! 496 00:23:57,044 --> 00:23:58,915 Thank you, choir, for lifting our spirits 497 00:23:58,915 --> 00:24:00,743 on the winds of your song. Amen? 498 00:24:00,743 --> 00:24:02,353 all: Amen. - Amen? 499 00:24:02,353 --> 00:24:03,964 all: Amen. 500 00:24:03,964 --> 00:24:05,226 I want to talk about 501 00:24:05,226 --> 00:24:07,707 the importance of your financial support. 502 00:24:07,707 --> 00:24:10,057 What you give your church will come back to you tenfold. 503 00:24:10,057 --> 00:24:13,016 all: Yes. - Detectives. 504 00:24:13,016 --> 00:24:15,018 You're interrupting our service. 505 00:24:15,018 --> 00:24:17,238 Pastor, we need a word. 506 00:24:17,238 --> 00:24:20,023 - You're gonna have to wait. - Justice waits for no man. 507 00:24:21,634 --> 00:24:26,160 You're under arrest for the murder of Emily Wade. 508 00:24:31,644 --> 00:24:35,691 Fear not, my children. God has a plan. 509 00:24:35,691 --> 00:24:37,388 The righteous shall prevail. 510 00:24:41,436 --> 00:24:42,829 This is ludicrous. 511 00:24:42,829 --> 00:24:44,483 Do you seriously think 512 00:24:44,483 --> 00:24:46,397 that I'm involved in this young woman's death? 513 00:24:46,397 --> 00:24:47,573 We do. 514 00:24:47,573 --> 00:24:50,227 Because Reverend Sherman made up a story. 515 00:24:50,227 --> 00:24:52,665 He seemed pretty credible. 516 00:24:52,665 --> 00:24:56,364 Evidence supports it too. 517 00:24:56,364 --> 00:24:59,846 I suppose the darkness from within was just 518 00:24:59,846 --> 00:25:01,238 too much for him to overcome. 519 00:25:01,238 --> 00:25:03,502 Yeah, that may be true, but right now, 520 00:25:03,502 --> 00:25:06,940 you need to help yourself and tell us what happened. 521 00:25:11,901 --> 00:25:14,338 I'm done talking. 522 00:25:14,338 --> 00:25:16,253 I want a lawyer. 523 00:25:16,253 --> 00:25:19,256 Reverend Sherman can say whatever he wants, 524 00:25:19,256 --> 00:25:22,216 but the truth will prevail. 525 00:25:27,569 --> 00:25:29,745 After Emily Wade left First Harmony, 526 00:25:29,745 --> 00:25:32,879 did you have occasion to confer with Pastor Mike? 527 00:25:32,879 --> 00:25:35,272 - I did. - And what did he tell you 528 00:25:35,272 --> 00:25:37,536 about the conversation that he'd had with her? 529 00:25:44,630 --> 00:25:49,939 We didn't talk about her. We talked about his sermon. 530 00:25:49,939 --> 00:25:52,463 He didn't tell you that Ms. Wade 531 00:25:52,463 --> 00:25:54,248 wanted her brother's money back 532 00:25:54,248 --> 00:25:56,206 or she was gonna go to the police? 533 00:25:56,206 --> 00:25:57,643 - No. - He didn't tell you 534 00:25:57,643 --> 00:26:00,036 that she would destroy everything you'd built, 535 00:26:00,036 --> 00:26:02,778 so you had to shut her up? - No. 536 00:26:08,392 --> 00:26:11,439 Mr. Sherman, did you or did you not tell me 537 00:26:11,439 --> 00:26:14,747 Pastor Mike paid you to kill Emily Wade. 538 00:26:14,747 --> 00:26:17,097 I did tell you that, 539 00:26:17,097 --> 00:26:18,925 and I was lying because I wanted a deal. 540 00:26:20,361 --> 00:26:22,319 Quiet or I'll clear the gallery. 541 00:26:22,319 --> 00:26:26,454 The truth is you're lying now out of some misguided 542 00:26:26,454 --> 00:26:28,151 sense of loyalty to your boss, aren't you? 543 00:26:28,151 --> 00:26:30,719 I'm not lying. I'm telling the truth. 544 00:26:30,719 --> 00:26:32,547 Sir, I remind you that if you violate the terms 545 00:26:32,547 --> 00:26:34,462 of your plea agreement-- - Objection. 546 00:26:34,462 --> 00:26:37,334 Asked and answered. - I agree. 547 00:26:37,334 --> 00:26:40,468 Mr. Price, the witness' testimony 548 00:26:40,468 --> 00:26:42,339 is very clear. 549 00:26:45,691 --> 00:26:47,780 Nothing further. 550 00:26:47,780 --> 00:26:49,303 Mr. Dressler? 551 00:26:49,303 --> 00:26:50,957 No questions, Your Honor. 552 00:26:50,957 --> 00:26:53,916 The People request a brief recess. 553 00:26:53,916 --> 00:26:55,657 We're adjourned until tomorrow. 554 00:27:06,842 --> 00:27:09,497 Rikers' Visitor Log shows Pastor Mike's attorney 555 00:27:09,497 --> 00:27:11,455 went to visit Sherman in jail yesterday. 556 00:27:11,455 --> 00:27:15,111 Less than 24 hours later, Sherman sandbags us. 557 00:27:15,111 --> 00:27:16,678 It's witness tampering. 558 00:27:16,678 --> 00:27:18,811 No doubt. 559 00:27:18,811 --> 00:27:20,769 But that's too hard to prove. 560 00:27:20,769 --> 00:27:22,641 We'll just have to make the case without him. 561 00:27:27,776 --> 00:27:30,953 We were looking at calls coming into Pastor Mike 562 00:27:30,953 --> 00:27:32,999 the day of the murder, right? 563 00:27:32,999 --> 00:27:34,348 Yeah, I'm not following. 564 00:27:34,348 --> 00:27:36,916 We know Sherman called Pastor Mike 565 00:27:36,916 --> 00:27:38,657 right after he killed Emily. 566 00:27:38,657 --> 00:27:41,703 But according to this call log, Pastor Mike called someone else 567 00:27:41,703 --> 00:27:44,837 as soon as that conversation was finished. 568 00:27:44,837 --> 00:27:47,056 Let's find out who he called and what he said. 569 00:27:52,061 --> 00:27:54,368 As Senior Pastor of First Harmony, 570 00:27:54,368 --> 00:27:57,414 I don't have day-to-day involvement. 571 00:27:57,414 --> 00:28:01,854 I function strictly in an advisory capacity now. 572 00:28:01,854 --> 00:28:04,683 Yes, but that capacity includes 573 00:28:04,683 --> 00:28:07,120 the provision of counsel to Pastor Mike, doesn't it? 574 00:28:07,120 --> 00:28:08,556 It does. 575 00:28:08,556 --> 00:28:12,081 Does he typically call you in the evening? 576 00:28:12,081 --> 00:28:14,040 - He does not. - But he did call you 577 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,390 December 14th at night. 578 00:28:16,390 --> 00:28:17,957 What did you two talk about? 579 00:28:19,872 --> 00:28:21,743 I'm a preacher. 580 00:28:21,743 --> 00:28:24,267 Conversations with my congregants are 581 00:28:24,267 --> 00:28:26,748 meant to be confidential. 582 00:28:26,748 --> 00:28:28,968 A woman was murdered. 583 00:28:28,968 --> 00:28:30,883 Doesn't that trump confidentiality? 584 00:28:34,234 --> 00:28:38,629 He called me on that night as his clergyman. 585 00:28:38,629 --> 00:28:42,633 He wanted to unburden his soul, 586 00:28:42,633 --> 00:28:46,507 which means the nature of that conversation 587 00:28:46,507 --> 00:28:50,903 is protected under the laws of the State of New York. 588 00:28:50,903 --> 00:28:55,603 So just so I'm clear... 589 00:28:55,603 --> 00:28:59,781 you're okay if a murderer walks free? 590 00:29:06,962 --> 00:29:11,967 I'm not talking, fellas. Simple as that. 591 00:29:22,151 --> 00:29:24,893 Bryant is the whole ballgame. He has to testify. 592 00:29:24,893 --> 00:29:29,289 But he's a clergyman. And he's right about the law. 593 00:29:29,289 --> 00:29:31,900 His conversation with the defendant is privileged. 594 00:29:31,900 --> 00:29:35,730 Unless that privilege is in service of a crime or fraud. 595 00:29:35,730 --> 00:29:37,297 You're on dangerous ground, Nolan. 596 00:29:37,297 --> 00:29:39,429 To prove that, you have to attack the church. 597 00:29:39,429 --> 00:29:41,083 I thought we agreed 598 00:29:41,083 --> 00:29:43,825 that we would make the case about the man not the religion. 599 00:29:43,825 --> 00:29:45,087 I'm not going after religion. 600 00:29:45,087 --> 00:29:47,960 I'm going after a single corrupt preacher. 601 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:49,744 It'll read as blasphemy. 602 00:29:49,744 --> 00:29:51,659 Delegitimizing First Harmony 603 00:29:51,659 --> 00:29:54,183 is the only way to convict Pastor Mike. 604 00:29:54,183 --> 00:29:56,055 Otherwise, we may as well drop the charges. 605 00:29:56,055 --> 00:29:59,449 If we lose this case, all people will remember 606 00:29:59,449 --> 00:30:01,756 is an over-zealous prosecutor 607 00:30:01,756 --> 00:30:04,628 who vilified a church for no good reason. 608 00:30:04,628 --> 00:30:07,327 And that's all I'm going to remember too. 609 00:30:10,243 --> 00:30:13,768 The mere suggestion this trial should devolve into 610 00:30:13,768 --> 00:30:17,206 a referendum on the legitimacy of First Harmony is outrageous. 611 00:30:17,206 --> 00:30:19,905 I take the point. Mr. Price? 612 00:30:19,905 --> 00:30:24,126 The People are aware of the sensitivities at play here. 613 00:30:24,126 --> 00:30:26,259 But we're only questioning that legitimacy 614 00:30:26,259 --> 00:30:29,436 for the limited purposes of a privilege inquiry. 615 00:30:29,436 --> 00:30:32,308 The phone call between Pastor Mike and Pastor Bryant 616 00:30:32,308 --> 00:30:35,616 was obviously for the purpose of seeking spiritual advice. 617 00:30:35,616 --> 00:30:37,313 Presumptively for that purpose, 618 00:30:37,313 --> 00:30:39,881 a presumption that can be overcome 619 00:30:39,881 --> 00:30:43,798 if we establish that the church is a corrupt enterprise. 620 00:30:43,798 --> 00:30:45,931 I share your concerns, Mr. Dressler, 621 00:30:45,931 --> 00:30:48,281 but this is a murder trial. 622 00:30:48,281 --> 00:30:50,936 So I'm gonna grant the People a limited opportunity 623 00:30:50,936 --> 00:30:53,416 to demonstrate fraud. 624 00:30:53,416 --> 00:30:56,332 And the defense will have the chance to rebut. 625 00:31:02,077 --> 00:31:06,908 Mr. Conley, how much did you donate to First Harmony? 626 00:31:06,908 --> 00:31:09,519 $61,000 over three years. 627 00:31:09,519 --> 00:31:10,869 And during that time, 628 00:31:10,869 --> 00:31:13,741 did you experience any financial setbacks? 629 00:31:13,741 --> 00:31:16,744 Yes. I lost my home, my car. 630 00:31:16,744 --> 00:31:18,398 Couldn't even pay the storage facility, 631 00:31:18,398 --> 00:31:19,878 so they sold my stuff. 632 00:31:19,878 --> 00:31:23,229 And yet you continued donating to First Harmony, right? 633 00:31:23,229 --> 00:31:24,665 - Yes. - Why? 634 00:31:24,665 --> 00:31:26,841 Because Pastor Mike told me if I stopped giving, 635 00:31:26,841 --> 00:31:29,322 it could jeopardize my relationship with God. 636 00:31:29,322 --> 00:31:32,238 The money you donated-- do you know where it went? 637 00:31:32,238 --> 00:31:34,327 Yeah. His Tesla. 638 00:31:34,327 --> 00:31:37,591 His mansion in Armonk. His catamaran. 639 00:31:37,591 --> 00:31:40,681 What Pastor needs a catamaran? 640 00:31:40,681 --> 00:31:42,901 Nothing further. 641 00:31:46,426 --> 00:31:48,950 Mr. Conley, 642 00:31:48,950 --> 00:31:51,735 are you currently a member of Gamblers Anonymous? 643 00:31:54,173 --> 00:31:55,478 Yes. 644 00:31:55,478 --> 00:31:57,959 And how much money have you lost gambling 645 00:31:57,959 --> 00:31:59,439 the past three years? 646 00:31:59,439 --> 00:32:01,180 I don't remember. 647 00:32:01,180 --> 00:32:04,661 Nearly $200,000. Is that right? 648 00:32:04,661 --> 00:32:06,446 I guess. 649 00:32:06,446 --> 00:32:08,622 So First Harmony isn't the real cause 650 00:32:08,622 --> 00:32:10,798 of your financial woes, is it? 651 00:32:10,798 --> 00:32:12,234 Doesn't matter. 652 00:32:12,234 --> 00:32:14,541 That man over there stole from me. 653 00:32:21,069 --> 00:32:23,942 Mr. Ballard, you're a recovering heroin addict. 654 00:32:23,942 --> 00:32:25,726 Is that right? - Recovered. 655 00:32:25,726 --> 00:32:27,293 That's amazing. 656 00:32:27,293 --> 00:32:30,383 And to what do you attribute your recovery? 657 00:32:30,383 --> 00:32:31,993 Pastor Mike. 658 00:32:31,993 --> 00:32:35,127 He got me into a facility, paid for the program. 659 00:32:35,127 --> 00:32:36,911 Visited me every day for six weeks 660 00:32:36,911 --> 00:32:38,391 to make sure I was doing the work. 661 00:32:38,391 --> 00:32:40,697 Were you employed as a sales rep 662 00:32:40,697 --> 00:32:42,656 for Shearing Pharmaceuticals? 663 00:32:42,656 --> 00:32:45,006 Yes, for four years. 664 00:32:45,006 --> 00:32:46,616 I just got laid off. 665 00:32:46,616 --> 00:32:49,402 I'm sorry about that. And who got you that job? 666 00:32:49,402 --> 00:32:51,143 Pastor Mike. 667 00:32:51,143 --> 00:32:52,796 There's been testimony about 668 00:32:52,796 --> 00:32:55,321 Pastor Mike's extravagant lifestyle. 669 00:32:55,321 --> 00:32:56,975 Are you familiar with how he lives? 670 00:32:56,975 --> 00:32:58,237 Of course. 671 00:32:58,237 --> 00:33:00,543 And it's a blessing to the congregation. 672 00:33:00,543 --> 00:33:03,111 Do you believe First Harmony defrauded you in any way? 673 00:33:03,111 --> 00:33:05,592 No. As Pastor Mike likes to say, 674 00:33:05,592 --> 00:33:08,682 "When we invest in the church, we invest in ourselves." 675 00:33:08,682 --> 00:33:10,423 And I'm living proof that's true. 676 00:33:10,423 --> 00:33:12,033 Thank you. 677 00:33:14,688 --> 00:33:15,950 Mr. Ballard, 678 00:33:15,950 --> 00:33:18,387 I'm very sorry about the loss of your sister. 679 00:33:18,387 --> 00:33:20,911 Thank you. 680 00:33:20,911 --> 00:33:25,786 Until a short time ago, what was your net worth? 681 00:33:25,786 --> 00:33:27,788 About $40,000. 682 00:33:27,788 --> 00:33:29,833 What's your net worth now? 683 00:33:29,833 --> 00:33:32,706 - Less than that. - In fact, it is zero. 684 00:33:32,706 --> 00:33:36,753 Because you donated every cent you had to First Harmony. 685 00:33:36,753 --> 00:33:38,146 I'll make more. 686 00:33:38,146 --> 00:33:40,975 How much have you given First Harmony 687 00:33:40,975 --> 00:33:43,499 over the past four years? 688 00:33:43,499 --> 00:33:44,805 I don't remember. 689 00:33:44,805 --> 00:33:48,765 Does almost $90,000 sound right? 690 00:33:48,765 --> 00:33:53,031 I donated because that's the right thing to do. 691 00:33:53,031 --> 00:33:55,120 I owe Pastor Mike. I owe him. 692 00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:59,515 Well, isn't it possible that the man you say you owe 693 00:33:59,515 --> 00:34:01,604 turned you into a productive citizen 694 00:34:01,604 --> 00:34:04,694 in order to milk you of everything you earned? 695 00:34:04,694 --> 00:34:07,567 No. Donating to your church is the right thing to do. 696 00:34:07,567 --> 00:34:09,612 Pastor Mike deserves every penny I gave him. 697 00:34:09,612 --> 00:34:11,527 Oh, you gave Pastor Mike your money? 698 00:34:11,527 --> 00:34:14,139 No, no, I meant I-- I gave it to First Harm-- 699 00:34:14,139 --> 00:34:16,010 this man is trying to fool me! 700 00:34:16,010 --> 00:34:17,751 No, sir. 701 00:34:17,751 --> 00:34:21,711 I am not the one fooling you. 702 00:34:21,711 --> 00:34:24,062 Nothing further. 703 00:34:30,111 --> 00:34:32,461 The parishioners who donated 704 00:34:32,461 --> 00:34:34,681 did so knowing that Pastor Mike was spending at least 705 00:34:34,681 --> 00:34:37,162 some of the money on himself. 706 00:34:37,162 --> 00:34:39,729 No one was threatened or coerced. 707 00:34:39,729 --> 00:34:44,125 They donated for inspiration, which is exactly what they got. 708 00:34:44,125 --> 00:34:49,348 Pastor Mike's success was a beacon to his parish, 709 00:34:49,348 --> 00:34:52,133 which is all that the prosperity gospel entails. 710 00:34:52,133 --> 00:34:54,483 You get the benefit of your bargain, 711 00:34:54,483 --> 00:34:58,052 it can't be fraud. 712 00:34:58,052 --> 00:35:01,142 Mr. Price? 713 00:35:01,142 --> 00:35:06,930 Fraud needn't be a function of deceit or coercion. 714 00:35:06,930 --> 00:35:08,628 It can also be manipulation 715 00:35:08,628 --> 00:35:11,239 by a person in a position of trust, 716 00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:15,156 such as a pastor who tells his flock 717 00:35:15,156 --> 00:35:18,507 that their relationship with God will be compromised 718 00:35:18,507 --> 00:35:21,684 if they don't give money to the church. 719 00:35:21,684 --> 00:35:24,209 These donations were part of a shameless money grab 720 00:35:24,209 --> 00:35:27,212 by a charismatic and manipulative figure 721 00:35:27,212 --> 00:35:30,084 in a position of control and power. 722 00:35:30,084 --> 00:35:33,914 The defendant concealed these cash contributions from the IRS 723 00:35:33,914 --> 00:35:35,916 and used the money he received 724 00:35:35,916 --> 00:35:38,397 to finance his opulent lifestyle. 725 00:35:38,397 --> 00:35:43,141 That is not religion. That's fraud. 726 00:35:51,061 --> 00:35:54,500 I agree with Mr. Price. 727 00:35:54,500 --> 00:35:59,244 And since the defense did not rebut his claims, 728 00:35:59,244 --> 00:36:02,638 I am vitiating the clergy privilege. 729 00:36:15,216 --> 00:36:18,219 Mr. Price. 730 00:36:18,219 --> 00:36:20,003 Why you doing this? - Excuse me? 731 00:36:20,003 --> 00:36:22,180 Trying to destroy my church. 732 00:36:22,180 --> 00:36:24,660 No, I can assure you, that is not my objective. 733 00:36:24,660 --> 00:36:26,619 You're acting like we don't know what we're doing, 734 00:36:26,619 --> 00:36:28,925 that Pastor Mike is trying to defraud us. 735 00:36:28,925 --> 00:36:31,450 That's not what's going on here. 736 00:36:31,450 --> 00:36:33,800 We know what we're doing. We want to give him our money. 737 00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:37,804 That is your choice. I--I don't really care. 738 00:36:37,804 --> 00:36:39,980 I'm simply trying to present the facts to the jury 739 00:36:39,980 --> 00:36:41,895 so they know what really happened-- 740 00:36:41,895 --> 00:36:44,245 so they know who really killed Emily, your sister. 741 00:36:44,245 --> 00:36:45,942 I-I would've thought that's something 742 00:36:45,942 --> 00:36:47,117 you might be interested in as well. 743 00:36:47,117 --> 00:36:49,032 Don't do that. 744 00:36:49,032 --> 00:36:53,036 Don't you dare suggest that I don't love my sister Emily. 745 00:36:53,036 --> 00:36:56,257 I do. More than anything. 746 00:36:56,257 --> 00:36:57,432 But she's gone. 747 00:36:57,432 --> 00:36:59,434 Ain't nothing we can do about that. 748 00:36:59,434 --> 00:37:00,827 And nothing you could do to convince me 749 00:37:00,827 --> 00:37:02,524 that Pastor Mike is involved. 750 00:37:02,524 --> 00:37:05,048 - I won't bother trying. - Wait, wait. 751 00:37:07,181 --> 00:37:10,750 I'm just scared. 752 00:37:10,750 --> 00:37:15,058 If you destroy Pastor Mike and my church... 753 00:37:17,539 --> 00:37:20,629 I'm left with absolutely nothing. 754 00:37:25,547 --> 00:37:27,419 Please. 755 00:37:41,389 --> 00:37:43,870 Pastor Mike Butler 756 00:37:43,870 --> 00:37:47,743 called you at 9:14 on the evening of Emily Wade's murder. 757 00:37:49,745 --> 00:37:52,618 - He did. - And what did he tell you? 758 00:37:59,538 --> 00:38:03,803 He told me he wanted to pray with me 759 00:38:03,803 --> 00:38:07,285 because he had transgressed. 760 00:38:10,766 --> 00:38:15,641 Did he tell you exactly what the transgression was? 761 00:38:15,641 --> 00:38:18,208 This is not right. 762 00:38:18,208 --> 00:38:21,168 That conversation was sacred. 763 00:38:21,168 --> 00:38:22,343 Pastor Bryant-- 764 00:38:22,343 --> 00:38:25,477 Only God should know the contents. 765 00:38:25,477 --> 00:38:29,394 Will the court please instruct the witness to answer? 766 00:38:29,394 --> 00:38:32,135 Pastor Bryant, the court has ruled 767 00:38:32,135 --> 00:38:34,137 clergy privilege does not apply here. 768 00:38:34,137 --> 00:38:35,791 - Oh. - If you don't answer, 769 00:38:35,791 --> 00:38:37,445 I will have to hold you in contempt. 770 00:38:37,445 --> 00:38:39,186 Do you understand that? 771 00:38:42,929 --> 00:38:44,191 Yes. 772 00:38:44,191 --> 00:38:47,847 Ask your question again, Mr. Price. 773 00:38:47,847 --> 00:38:50,980 I'll make it a simple yes or no question. 774 00:38:50,980 --> 00:38:53,896 Did the defendant tell you 775 00:38:53,896 --> 00:38:58,205 that he had instructed Mr. Sherman to kill Emily Wade? 776 00:39:03,950 --> 00:39:05,343 Yes. 777 00:39:21,446 --> 00:39:24,710 Nothing further. 778 00:39:24,710 --> 00:39:26,973 Then we are adjourned for the day. 779 00:39:31,891 --> 00:39:33,936 Man one, 20 max. 780 00:39:33,936 --> 00:39:36,809 Murder two, 20 to life. 781 00:39:42,467 --> 00:39:45,339 I'll start drafting the plea agreement. 782 00:39:45,339 --> 00:39:49,299 I'll, um, talk to Emily's brother, 783 00:39:49,299 --> 00:39:51,693 let him know the case is over. 784 00:40:02,225 --> 00:40:03,662 Lonnie? 785 00:40:03,662 --> 00:40:06,708 It's Nolan Price from the DA's office. 786 00:40:08,623 --> 00:40:11,800 Hello, Lonnie? 787 00:40:23,377 --> 00:40:26,206 Oh, no. Lonnie? 788 00:40:26,206 --> 00:40:28,904 Lonnie. 789 00:40:28,904 --> 00:40:31,211 Lonnie? Lonnie? 790 00:40:31,211 --> 00:40:32,734 Lonnie? Oh, God. 791 00:40:36,695 --> 00:40:39,393 Yeah, I-I need an ambulance. 792 00:40:39,393 --> 00:40:41,830 435 Warshaw, Queens. Apartment 4B. 793 00:40:41,830 --> 00:40:44,572 He's overdosed. I need help right away. 794 00:40:46,356 --> 00:40:49,882 Lonnie? Lonnie, stay with me. 59408

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