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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:39,793 We'd received a phone call at the sheriff's office 2 00:00:39,793 --> 00:00:42,344 that Rex and June were missing. 3 00:00:44,034 --> 00:00:46,896 I thought maybe they'd just gone off on a party with somebody. 4 00:00:59,482 --> 00:01:01,068 Sheriff Stansfield picked me up 5 00:01:01,068 --> 00:01:04,620 and we went to try to see if we could figure out where Rex and June were. 6 00:01:15,896 --> 00:01:18,724 They were living in what we call the old Ivy House. 7 00:01:23,758 --> 00:01:26,275 It's only a few miles away on the Strawberry River. 8 00:01:34,034 --> 00:01:35,172 First thing we noticed, 9 00:01:35,172 --> 00:01:38,137 her car was still out in the parking lot. 10 00:01:38,137 --> 00:01:41,206 We went to the house and knocked on the door, 11 00:01:41,206 --> 00:01:42,344 nobody answered. 12 00:01:46,586 --> 00:01:48,724 We pushed on the door, it opened right up. 13 00:01:48,724 --> 00:01:49,896 We went in. 14 00:01:52,862 --> 00:01:56,068 The house was in kind of disarray. 15 00:01:56,068 --> 00:01:59,896 It became immediately apparent something was amiss. 16 00:02:01,827 --> 00:02:04,517 Her driver's license is there on the bed. 17 00:02:04,517 --> 00:02:05,965 The purse is there. 18 00:02:07,551 --> 00:02:10,137 I noticed June's dentures... 19 00:02:11,896 --> 00:02:13,275 and I know June, and I know 20 00:02:13,275 --> 00:02:15,896 she was very conscientious about her dentures. 21 00:02:18,068 --> 00:02:20,551 There was evidence of struggle. 22 00:02:20,551 --> 00:02:21,827 Blood stains. 23 00:02:23,931 --> 00:02:26,413 And then what really hit me the hardest was Rex's hat 24 00:02:26,413 --> 00:02:27,862 was laying on the floor. 25 00:02:30,758 --> 00:02:34,172 To a cowboy, that is an essential tool. 26 00:02:34,172 --> 00:02:37,206 You simply do not leave your hat. 27 00:02:37,206 --> 00:02:40,310 That is as known as the knuckles on your hand. 28 00:03:10,896 --> 00:03:13,758 Duchesne, Utah is high desert country. 29 00:03:15,206 --> 00:03:17,068 If you were to scratch the surface just a little bit, 30 00:03:17,068 --> 00:03:19,758 you would find a very much the spirit of the Wild West. 31 00:03:22,965 --> 00:03:25,482 People are independent, hard working. 32 00:03:25,482 --> 00:03:28,275 They don't like a lot of outside influence in their lives. 33 00:03:30,586 --> 00:03:32,344 Deals are made on a handshake. 34 00:03:32,344 --> 00:03:36,241 An honest day's work for an honest day's pay is kind of the... 35 00:03:36,241 --> 00:03:37,517 the theme of life here. 36 00:03:39,068 --> 00:03:40,275 You're only as good as your word 37 00:03:40,275 --> 00:03:42,275 and you're only as good as your work. 38 00:03:44,379 --> 00:03:47,275 Well, in 1998, I was a detective sergeant 39 00:03:47,275 --> 00:03:49,517 with Duchesne County, Sheriff's Office, 40 00:03:49,517 --> 00:03:51,206 and I'd grown up in that area. 41 00:03:52,586 --> 00:03:56,172 And I knew every canyon, every trail, 42 00:03:56,172 --> 00:03:58,965 every valley like it was my own backyard. 43 00:04:00,448 --> 00:04:04,896 When Rex and June went missing, it was a huge surprise. 44 00:04:08,620 --> 00:04:10,172 Rex Tanner was my dad. 45 00:04:12,034 --> 00:04:14,965 Dad was working at John Pinder's, he was a ranch hand. 46 00:04:16,827 --> 00:04:21,965 He's a old cowboy, that rugged, dusty, dirty look. 47 00:04:21,965 --> 00:04:23,620 That was my dad. 48 00:04:23,620 --> 00:04:25,482 If you ever watched Westerns, 49 00:04:25,482 --> 00:04:27,344 them old cowboys that lived out on the range 50 00:04:27,344 --> 00:04:29,620 with the herd, that was Rex. 51 00:04:32,517 --> 00:04:34,482 June was a friend of his. 52 00:04:34,482 --> 00:04:36,241 They were both single. 53 00:04:38,068 --> 00:04:39,310 They lived alone. 54 00:04:39,310 --> 00:04:40,896 They ate dinner together. 55 00:04:40,896 --> 00:04:45,172 Just somebody to do something with, so they weren't alone. 56 00:04:50,172 --> 00:04:55,275 In 1998, I was editor of the Uintah Basin Standard. 57 00:04:55,275 --> 00:04:59,206 We would cover everything in Duchesne County. 58 00:05:01,344 --> 00:05:05,103 June Flood was a bookkeeper, took care of paperwork 59 00:05:05,103 --> 00:05:06,413 and so forth. 60 00:05:06,413 --> 00:05:09,931 She was several years older than Rex. 61 00:05:09,931 --> 00:05:11,344 They formed a friendship. 62 00:05:15,793 --> 00:05:17,068 Rex was my older brother. 63 00:05:17,068 --> 00:05:19,137 He was eight years older than me. 64 00:05:24,551 --> 00:05:27,517 All of us was born cowboys. We didn't know any better. 65 00:05:30,724 --> 00:05:33,448 Me and Rex, we was pretty tight. 66 00:05:43,034 --> 00:05:47,103 I was actually down to my uncle's house 67 00:05:47,103 --> 00:05:50,344 and one of his friends called us, says, 68 00:05:50,344 --> 00:05:53,034 "I haven't heard from June nor Rex." 69 00:05:53,034 --> 00:05:55,620 We felt something was definitely wrong. 70 00:05:55,620 --> 00:05:57,551 It just was not Rex to... 71 00:05:58,620 --> 00:06:01,724 um, not at least call if he couldn't make it. 72 00:06:07,448 --> 00:06:10,655 In 1998, I was the sheriff of Duchesne County. 73 00:06:10,655 --> 00:06:13,655 I grew up on a ranch not far from here. 74 00:06:13,655 --> 00:06:16,724 I have spent all my working days policing the county, 75 00:06:16,724 --> 00:06:18,379 so I know these people very well. 76 00:06:21,758 --> 00:06:26,586 Pinder Ranch is about ten miles from Duchesne City. 77 00:06:26,586 --> 00:06:29,793 It's at, what they call, the Strawberry River area of the county. 78 00:06:30,965 --> 00:06:34,137 Just a typical farming and ranching operation. 79 00:06:34,137 --> 00:06:35,517 It's tough country. 80 00:06:38,517 --> 00:06:41,275 John Pinder was running the ranch at the time. 81 00:06:41,275 --> 00:06:45,551 John was a young guy in his early 40s. 82 00:06:45,551 --> 00:06:47,586 He's kind of wild. 83 00:06:47,586 --> 00:06:49,034 He did crazy things. 84 00:06:50,482 --> 00:06:53,103 I think he thought he could do what he wanted to do 85 00:06:53,103 --> 00:06:54,413 whenever he wanted to do it. 86 00:06:58,103 --> 00:06:59,724 John Pinder was very well known 87 00:06:59,724 --> 00:07:04,034 for having a full grown male African lion named, Simba. 88 00:07:04,034 --> 00:07:06,655 He lived in the home in the ranch house 89 00:07:06,655 --> 00:07:09,068 with John and his sister, Jenny. 90 00:07:13,862 --> 00:07:15,862 It was a sleepy little town. 91 00:07:15,862 --> 00:07:18,931 One day, I'm patrolling on Main Street 92 00:07:18,931 --> 00:07:24,310 and here comes a big blue Ram truck with a lion. 93 00:07:24,310 --> 00:07:26,551 And I'm not talking a small lion, 94 00:07:26,551 --> 00:07:30,344 I'm talking a full-grown African lion sitting in the back. 95 00:07:33,241 --> 00:07:35,620 And it's getting towards the afternoon. 96 00:07:35,620 --> 00:07:37,310 Kids are getting out of school. 97 00:07:37,310 --> 00:07:39,137 He's just laughing. 98 00:07:39,137 --> 00:07:41,620 And I go, "John, you need to take the lion home." 99 00:07:54,724 --> 00:07:56,655 That's John Pinder and Simba. 100 00:08:00,103 --> 00:08:02,724 That's John and Simba laying on the couch. 101 00:08:07,827 --> 00:08:10,620 I worked on the Pinder Ranch at that time. 102 00:08:10,620 --> 00:08:14,068 I was there for pretty near seven or eight months. 103 00:08:14,068 --> 00:08:16,241 I did have dealings with John, 104 00:08:16,241 --> 00:08:18,379 but I was told to stay away. 105 00:08:20,241 --> 00:08:24,931 My brother-in-law said he's strange and don't go near him. Don't... 106 00:08:26,172 --> 00:08:27,551 Just stay away from him. 107 00:08:33,517 --> 00:08:36,103 Rex was the cowboy. He liked to ride. 108 00:08:36,103 --> 00:08:37,413 He liked to farm. 109 00:08:37,413 --> 00:08:38,517 He liked to mechanic. 110 00:08:38,517 --> 00:08:40,206 He done a little of everything. 111 00:08:40,206 --> 00:08:41,896 Rex was a good farmhand. 112 00:09:10,551 --> 00:09:13,724 In our county, we hadn't had a homicide in 18 years. 113 00:09:15,620 --> 00:09:18,586 But that day we went to Rex and June's house, 114 00:09:18,586 --> 00:09:20,689 we knew in our gut something bad had happened. 115 00:09:26,965 --> 00:09:28,793 You don't leave your hat, you don't leave your purse 116 00:09:28,793 --> 00:09:30,482 and you damn sure don't leave your teeth 117 00:09:30,482 --> 00:09:33,000 if you're going to town or going partying somewhere. 118 00:09:41,275 --> 00:09:42,965 That just was wrong. 119 00:09:42,965 --> 00:09:44,206 Something was very wrong. 120 00:09:46,344 --> 00:09:50,551 And as we drove away and we're starting to kind of realize 121 00:09:50,551 --> 00:09:52,551 we're headed into the unknown. 122 00:10:00,896 --> 00:10:05,068 And that's when I saw a man named, Dave Brunyer. 123 00:10:05,068 --> 00:10:08,517 Now Dave Brunyer worked for John Pinder on his ranch. 124 00:10:08,517 --> 00:10:11,137 He was chopping wood at another piece of Pinder property 125 00:10:11,137 --> 00:10:13,620 where John's sister Jenny was living. 126 00:10:16,034 --> 00:10:18,655 And I remember saying, Oh, well, we know Dave. 127 00:10:18,655 --> 00:10:20,793 He'll... We'll talk to him and see what's going on. 128 00:10:23,620 --> 00:10:25,758 He came walking over to us real fast. 129 00:10:25,758 --> 00:10:27,310 - Fast. - Real kind of nervous. 130 00:10:27,310 --> 00:10:28,517 I rolled down the window 131 00:10:28,517 --> 00:10:30,758 and we told him we was looking for Rex and June and... 132 00:10:30,758 --> 00:10:32,379 - Yeah. - ...and asked him if he had seen them. 133 00:10:32,379 --> 00:10:33,620 And he told us no. 134 00:10:33,620 --> 00:10:35,758 He acted like he didn't know who we was even talking about. 135 00:10:40,137 --> 00:10:44,413 And then Jenny was kind of back and forth and in and out, 136 00:10:44,413 --> 00:10:46,448 and it was the oddest thing. 137 00:10:46,448 --> 00:10:49,827 He asked me, he said, "Can you give me a card? 138 00:10:49,827 --> 00:10:52,689 And if I hear anything, I'll call you." 139 00:10:52,689 --> 00:10:54,448 Now Dave Brunyer, he knows my number. 140 00:10:56,965 --> 00:11:00,551 I think that the reason he was being secretive 141 00:11:00,551 --> 00:11:04,448 or acting strange was because of the presence of Jenny Pinder, 142 00:11:04,448 --> 00:11:06,241 who was kind of hovering in and out. 143 00:11:09,793 --> 00:11:12,517 I remember trying to act along with him 144 00:11:12,517 --> 00:11:14,137 and so I got him a card and said, 145 00:11:14,137 --> 00:11:16,931 "Yeah, if you... if you hear of anything, let us know. 146 00:11:19,275 --> 00:11:20,931 I remember the hair on the back of my neck 147 00:11:20,931 --> 00:11:23,310 standing up thinking, "Oh man, this is..." 148 00:11:24,586 --> 00:11:26,000 It was a bad feeling. 149 00:11:27,827 --> 00:11:30,172 And I remember telling the sheriff, we need to go. 150 00:11:30,172 --> 00:11:32,379 And I'm telling him something is wrong 151 00:11:32,379 --> 00:11:34,068 and Dave Brunyer knows about it. 152 00:11:58,275 --> 00:12:01,551 So right up here ahead of us is the main Pinder Ranch. 153 00:12:01,551 --> 00:12:03,724 But I'll tell you what. 154 00:12:03,724 --> 00:12:09,413 This is probably as close as I'm comfortable going right now. 155 00:12:13,241 --> 00:12:17,000 There's a chance that Jenny is there. 156 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:19,310 She's known to be very volatile. 157 00:12:20,310 --> 00:12:21,655 She does not like me. 158 00:12:23,965 --> 00:12:25,620 I've had opportunity to arrest her before 159 00:12:25,620 --> 00:12:27,034 and interact with her before. 160 00:12:29,241 --> 00:12:33,172 Jenny Pinder is a lady that likes to drink. 161 00:12:33,172 --> 00:12:36,827 Jenny and her boyfriend got in a fight up there one night. 162 00:12:36,827 --> 00:12:39,862 He wanted to leave, so he just packed up and headed out, 163 00:12:39,862 --> 00:12:42,931 jumped in his truck, went to turn the key on, 164 00:12:42,931 --> 00:12:45,551 and she shot him right through the wrist with a 30-30 rifle. 165 00:12:49,310 --> 00:12:50,724 So when it comes to the Pinders, 166 00:12:50,724 --> 00:12:52,724 it's pick your poison. 167 00:12:52,724 --> 00:12:55,206 John and Jenny were both wild and unpredictable. 168 00:13:07,172 --> 00:13:09,931 In those days, the Pinder Ranch was known 169 00:13:09,931 --> 00:13:12,965 as the Tower of Power 170 00:13:12,965 --> 00:13:16,000 because anything and everything went on up there. 171 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:21,137 Party girls, drugs, criminal, BS. 172 00:13:22,379 --> 00:13:24,551 If you wanted to get high, you wanted to get drugs... 173 00:13:25,793 --> 00:13:27,000 go see John Pinder. 174 00:13:31,482 --> 00:13:35,241 And June and Rex, they were both party people. 175 00:13:39,758 --> 00:13:42,827 At the time, John and his wife, Beverly, 176 00:13:42,827 --> 00:13:49,758 were going through a very acrimonious divorce. 177 00:13:49,758 --> 00:13:53,896 John was worried that he was going to lose the ranch, 178 00:13:53,896 --> 00:13:59,103 and that is something that he was not about to... to let happen, 179 00:13:59,103 --> 00:14:01,068 not even lose a part of the ranch. 180 00:14:02,931 --> 00:14:06,241 We hadn't really made a connection with John Pinder at all. 181 00:14:06,241 --> 00:14:09,620 We were just realizing something has happened with Rex and June. 182 00:14:27,827 --> 00:14:29,758 He told us a story 183 00:14:29,758 --> 00:14:32,758 that he had been kind of associating with the Pinders, 184 00:14:32,758 --> 00:14:35,551 partying a little bit, a little handyman work, 185 00:14:35,551 --> 00:14:38,413 part-time work on occasion, um, had... 186 00:14:38,413 --> 00:14:39,620 had done drugs with him. 187 00:14:41,482 --> 00:14:43,310 They told us basically crazy [bleep]. 188 00:14:44,724 --> 00:14:46,758 I shouldn't say that. 189 00:14:46,758 --> 00:14:50,034 It was... It was unbelievable. 190 00:15:05,896 --> 00:15:08,034 He described body parts 191 00:15:08,034 --> 00:15:10,448 for hundreds and hundreds of feet 192 00:15:10,448 --> 00:15:12,275 scattered all around the area... 193 00:15:15,551 --> 00:15:17,827 and said that he had been cleaning up 194 00:15:17,827 --> 00:15:20,724 body parts for the last three days. 195 00:15:26,793 --> 00:15:31,310 You could feel the... the trauma coming out of his voice. 196 00:15:31,310 --> 00:15:36,344 He was as purely horrified as anybody I'd ever seen when he was describing it. 197 00:15:41,241 --> 00:15:45,724 The first order of business was to try to confirm something 198 00:15:45,724 --> 00:15:48,068 that Dave Brunyer had told us. 199 00:15:50,689 --> 00:15:52,482 We put him in the back of my patrol car 200 00:15:52,482 --> 00:15:54,344 and covering him up with a blanket 201 00:15:54,344 --> 00:15:56,241 because he didn't want to be seen by anybody 202 00:15:56,241 --> 00:15:58,103 that he might be the informant. 203 00:16:02,758 --> 00:16:05,379 And we drove up Lake Canyon. 204 00:16:08,827 --> 00:16:10,758 Now, I'll never forget. 205 00:16:10,758 --> 00:16:12,241 We got out of the vehicle... 206 00:16:18,172 --> 00:16:23,620 and walked just a matter of maybe four or five steps and right there 207 00:16:23,620 --> 00:16:26,275 in kind of a driveway pull-out area, 208 00:16:26,275 --> 00:16:27,862 hard-packed bare ground... 209 00:16:30,482 --> 00:16:32,655 there was a femur ball 210 00:16:32,655 --> 00:16:35,310 attached to a piece of femur bone just laying there. 211 00:16:38,862 --> 00:16:43,862 And I had enough knowledge to recognize that as a part of the human anatomy. 212 00:16:51,482 --> 00:16:55,000 We'd noticed a chipmunk nibbling on something 213 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:57,586 which looked like it was nibbling on the, 214 00:16:57,586 --> 00:16:59,620 the flesh of the... of the leg. 215 00:17:05,103 --> 00:17:08,551 We found about 80 pieces of body parts. 216 00:17:10,172 --> 00:17:13,206 This was the real McCoy. 217 00:17:24,482 --> 00:17:29,655 I remember going up to Lake Canyon area to talk to the sheriff, 218 00:17:29,655 --> 00:17:33,034 and there was a long line of cars, 219 00:17:33,034 --> 00:17:36,068 people curious about what was going on. 220 00:17:37,275 --> 00:17:39,137 So, news spread quickly. 221 00:17:43,275 --> 00:17:49,103 And they told me, "We have found parts of two bodies." 222 00:17:55,103 --> 00:17:58,000 The immediate fear was that 223 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:02,758 one of them could be John Pinder's ex-wife, Beverly. 224 00:18:10,344 --> 00:18:12,896 The deputies pointed out to us on that hillside 225 00:18:12,896 --> 00:18:15,241 that there was a leg there. 226 00:18:15,241 --> 00:18:17,137 We had a pair of binoculars and you could tell, 227 00:18:18,862 --> 00:18:21,137 the leg was laying there with the sock still on. 228 00:18:21,137 --> 00:18:22,551 - Striped gym sock. - Right. 229 00:18:25,827 --> 00:18:28,517 We knew we had three people to locate. 230 00:18:28,517 --> 00:18:30,275 Beverly, Rex, and June. 231 00:18:31,965 --> 00:18:35,827 And Beverly is the only person turned out to be alive. 232 00:18:41,620 --> 00:18:44,689 Uncle Milt called, says, "I need you to come out to the house. 233 00:18:44,689 --> 00:18:45,862 I need to talk to you." 234 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:48,689 I said, "Okay, let me get the boys ready 235 00:18:48,689 --> 00:18:50,310 and we'll be there." 236 00:18:50,310 --> 00:18:52,931 He says, "No, don't bring the boys." 237 00:18:54,275 --> 00:18:56,172 He said, "Lori can come, but don't bring the boys. 238 00:18:56,172 --> 00:18:57,448 I just need to talk to you." 239 00:18:58,689 --> 00:19:01,379 I'm like, "Baby, what do you think's going on?" you know? 240 00:19:01,379 --> 00:19:04,689 What... "I wonder what Milton needs to talk to us about that the kids couldn't come." 241 00:19:07,379 --> 00:19:08,862 Glen looked at me and he said, 242 00:19:10,103 --> 00:19:12,137 "My dad's hurt or he's dead." 243 00:19:38,517 --> 00:19:42,586 Filo was a ranch hand that worked at the Pinder Ranch with John. 244 00:19:42,586 --> 00:19:44,448 He was his right hand man. 245 00:19:45,965 --> 00:19:47,275 We had heard rumors 246 00:19:47,275 --> 00:19:49,448 that he may have been associated 247 00:19:49,448 --> 00:19:52,517 with the Sinaloa cartel from Mexico. 248 00:19:53,724 --> 00:19:55,827 So we decided to give Filo an interview. 249 00:20:00,068 --> 00:20:01,965 And of course, he didn't want to talk to us, 250 00:20:01,965 --> 00:20:05,068 but we knew he was Catholic, 251 00:20:05,068 --> 00:20:08,655 and so we hung a picture of the Savior on the wall. 252 00:20:08,655 --> 00:20:11,344 And we sit Filo in there 253 00:20:11,344 --> 00:20:13,379 looking at the picture of the Savior 254 00:20:13,379 --> 00:20:15,896 and the little statues of Jesus. 255 00:20:18,655 --> 00:20:22,310 After sitting there for 30 minutes looking at the Savior, 256 00:20:22,310 --> 00:20:27,689 when we went back in, he was sobbing like a baby, crying. 257 00:20:28,689 --> 00:20:29,931 And he talked. 258 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:38,206 What happened then? 259 00:20:38,206 --> 00:20:41,103 And then he... he just kind of just started telling the story. 260 00:21:00,034 --> 00:21:02,413 Do you remember the Sunday night that, 261 00:21:02,413 --> 00:21:04,344 that you guys went to Rex and June's house? 262 00:21:04,344 --> 00:21:05,482 Mm-hmm. 263 00:21:05,482 --> 00:21:06,724 - Do you remember that night? - Sí. 264 00:21:06,724 --> 00:21:08,517 Could you tell us about that? 265 00:21:12,103 --> 00:21:13,275 What happened then? 266 00:21:18,206 --> 00:21:19,551 Who said we need to talk to you? 267 00:21:22,931 --> 00:21:24,655 As we talked to Filo, 268 00:21:24,655 --> 00:21:26,793 he said that John was paranoid 269 00:21:26,793 --> 00:21:29,241 about Rex and June 270 00:21:29,241 --> 00:21:31,068 taking money out of the lion account. 271 00:21:34,344 --> 00:21:37,896 Basically, the fund was for buying the food, 272 00:21:37,896 --> 00:21:39,862 doing things like that for the lion. 273 00:21:42,344 --> 00:21:47,034 So they killed them on a Sunday night and blowed 'em up. 274 00:21:51,620 --> 00:21:54,206 But we thought maybe he was lying, 275 00:21:54,206 --> 00:21:55,931 trying to put the blame on somebody else. 276 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:02,137 We'd heard rumors that Filo was working for a Mexican cartel... 277 00:22:02,137 --> 00:22:05,413 and perhaps him and John had had a falling out over a drug deal. 278 00:22:20,586 --> 00:22:21,827 They took the bodies... 279 00:22:23,241 --> 00:22:26,586 and they piled them on top of each other... 280 00:22:28,620 --> 00:22:29,793 and blew them up. 281 00:22:37,931 --> 00:22:39,482 My husband went off the deep end. 282 00:22:41,344 --> 00:22:42,965 I went to a dark place. 283 00:22:42,965 --> 00:22:44,275 A very dark place. 284 00:22:47,862 --> 00:22:49,103 It was a rough time. 285 00:22:50,241 --> 00:22:51,655 Extremely rough time. 286 00:22:54,413 --> 00:22:56,586 There is no forgiveness in my heart. 287 00:23:02,620 --> 00:23:06,241 Filomeno immediately pointed the finger at John. 288 00:23:07,931 --> 00:23:11,000 But John is nowhere to be found. 289 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:12,413 He has disappeared. 290 00:23:15,034 --> 00:23:17,275 When we started looking for John, 291 00:23:17,275 --> 00:23:19,344 we were told by the ranch hands 292 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,172 maybe he was going to head for the Mexican border. 293 00:23:26,137 --> 00:23:28,655 Right off the bat we thought, well, 294 00:23:28,655 --> 00:23:30,172 these people are all scared... 295 00:23:31,344 --> 00:23:35,793 of what John might do if they talk. 296 00:23:39,068 --> 00:23:41,689 There were employees at the ranch that would tell us, 297 00:23:41,689 --> 00:23:43,241 "Well, you know, he was here a few days ago 298 00:23:43,241 --> 00:23:47,482 and then he left and he left with a woman named Barbara DeHart." 299 00:23:47,482 --> 00:23:52,241 John met Barbara DeHart in Idaho. 300 00:23:52,241 --> 00:23:54,034 She was a married woman, 301 00:23:54,034 --> 00:23:57,551 but she decided to leave her husband 302 00:23:57,551 --> 00:24:01,655 and she and John became an item. 303 00:24:16,103 --> 00:24:18,827 As far as the search for John Pinder was going, 304 00:24:18,827 --> 00:24:23,000 by now there are warrants for his arrest for double homicide. 305 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,655 We believed he was in a blue Dodge pickup truck 306 00:24:25,655 --> 00:24:27,172 because it wasn't at the ranch. 307 00:24:27,172 --> 00:24:28,965 That's the truck he usually drove. 308 00:24:30,172 --> 00:24:31,965 But we were not having a lot of luck. 309 00:24:34,379 --> 00:24:38,310 Until we got notified by a Salt Lake City news station, 310 00:24:38,310 --> 00:24:42,275 KSL News reporter contacted me 311 00:24:42,275 --> 00:24:45,862 and said that he had just done an on camera interview with John Pinder... 312 00:24:47,241 --> 00:24:49,000 and that Barbara DeHart was there. 313 00:24:52,862 --> 00:24:54,620 And I... I was just... 314 00:24:55,931 --> 00:24:57,034 stunned. 315 00:25:02,655 --> 00:25:04,137 What is it that's going on? 316 00:25:04,137 --> 00:25:06,620 They're calling it a heinous double murder. 317 00:25:06,620 --> 00:25:07,931 We have two people that they're saying 318 00:25:07,931 --> 00:25:09,586 were blown up and all this other stuff. 319 00:25:09,586 --> 00:25:10,965 - Mm-hmm. - They're saying 320 00:25:10,965 --> 00:25:13,034 that they would at least like to talk to you. 321 00:25:13,034 --> 00:25:14,724 So you tell me what's going on? 322 00:25:14,724 --> 00:25:17,448 Well, let me start right there. 323 00:25:17,448 --> 00:25:19,206 They'd like to talk to me. I'd... 324 00:25:21,310 --> 00:25:24,689 be more than glad to go in and talk to them 325 00:25:24,689 --> 00:25:29,448 if I felt comfortable with circumstances, uh... 326 00:25:31,206 --> 00:25:32,310 concerning my life. 327 00:25:32,310 --> 00:25:34,965 We are both afraid of our lives right now. 328 00:25:37,034 --> 00:25:40,310 He was aware that he was a suspect and stopped in 329 00:25:40,310 --> 00:25:42,000 to basically claim his innocence. 330 00:25:43,758 --> 00:25:47,931 And that's why I'm here is to try to protect myself 331 00:25:47,931 --> 00:25:52,344 and let the public know what's going on with our system 332 00:25:52,344 --> 00:25:54,034 and it is wrong. 333 00:25:54,034 --> 00:25:57,000 We have bad, bad people in there 334 00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:00,862 that are supposedly supposed to be protecting us 335 00:26:00,862 --> 00:26:03,103 and I am one of the very few that 336 00:26:03,103 --> 00:26:06,724 will take the initiative, step forward 337 00:26:06,724 --> 00:26:08,206 and call [bleep] on it. 338 00:26:10,103 --> 00:26:11,241 Despite what he was saying, 339 00:26:11,241 --> 00:26:13,172 we knew John was behind it. 340 00:26:13,172 --> 00:26:16,206 What we didn't know is why he'd done it. 341 00:26:21,206 --> 00:26:24,482 Barbara DeHart and John went on the run together. 342 00:26:27,793 --> 00:26:29,896 Instead of being afraid of him 343 00:26:29,896 --> 00:26:33,827 or ashamed of what had happened, she was in awe. 344 00:26:33,827 --> 00:26:37,379 "Wow! Look at the guy I'm with," you know? 345 00:26:37,379 --> 00:26:41,137 And she even referred to the two of them as Bonnie and Clyde. 346 00:26:42,793 --> 00:26:45,586 We had no idea of what they were capable of doing next. 347 00:27:14,724 --> 00:27:17,551 Because of the media, it was big news at the time. 348 00:27:17,551 --> 00:27:21,344 We got contacted ultimately by Barbara DeHart's daughter, Melissa. 349 00:27:29,758 --> 00:27:32,620 We had arranged to meet with Melissa 350 00:27:32,620 --> 00:27:35,379 to take a statement about what her mother had told her. 351 00:27:39,034 --> 00:27:42,896 And I... I will never forget this as long as I live. 352 00:27:42,896 --> 00:27:44,896 While we're preparing to meet with Melissa 353 00:27:44,896 --> 00:27:46,068 to take her statement, 354 00:27:46,068 --> 00:27:47,931 Barbara DeHart showed up at the house. 355 00:27:50,827 --> 00:27:52,724 Now, what do you do? 356 00:27:52,724 --> 00:27:54,275 We knew that Barbara DeHart 357 00:27:54,275 --> 00:27:56,034 was an associate of John Pinder's, 358 00:27:56,034 --> 00:27:58,241 but we didn't know if she had any complicity 359 00:27:58,241 --> 00:28:00,448 in this crime or not at that time. 360 00:28:00,448 --> 00:28:03,689 Didn't want to tip our hand right at that time. 361 00:28:03,689 --> 00:28:06,586 So literally, we hid in the bathroom. 362 00:28:06,586 --> 00:28:09,758 And I... I remember being so scared, like, what the hell? 363 00:28:09,758 --> 00:28:12,793 And sure enough, 364 00:28:12,793 --> 00:28:15,655 we heard her tell Melissa she had to use the bathroom. 365 00:28:17,034 --> 00:28:20,034 And she's walking to the bathroom 366 00:28:20,034 --> 00:28:22,827 and Melissa just said something 367 00:28:22,827 --> 00:28:24,517 to the effect, "Oh, it doesn't work. 368 00:28:24,517 --> 00:28:27,034 You have to go to the store" or something like that. 369 00:28:29,827 --> 00:28:32,000 And she left and we got... we got out of there. 370 00:28:40,689 --> 00:28:42,758 The reason we couldn't really take action is 371 00:28:42,758 --> 00:28:45,793 we don't have law enforcement authority in the state of Idaho 372 00:28:45,793 --> 00:28:49,172 and we didn't want her to know we were up there looking into her 373 00:28:49,172 --> 00:28:52,000 with the fear she would destroy or hide more evidence. 374 00:28:57,655 --> 00:29:00,758 John Pinder was placed on America's Most Wanted 375 00:29:00,758 --> 00:29:02,000 while we were looking for him. 376 00:29:05,068 --> 00:29:08,137 They had me do an interview with them, 377 00:29:08,137 --> 00:29:11,620 but they wanted you to break down and bawl 378 00:29:11,620 --> 00:29:14,137 and show your emotions, 379 00:29:14,137 --> 00:29:16,896 which I'm worse now than I was back then. 380 00:29:26,379 --> 00:29:28,448 There was still no word on where he is 381 00:29:28,448 --> 00:29:31,965 until one day we got word through his attorneys 382 00:29:31,965 --> 00:29:35,206 that he had arranged to surrender himself 383 00:29:35,206 --> 00:29:38,000 at our neighboring county's Sheriff's Office. 384 00:29:45,034 --> 00:29:50,551 He did very much try to blame everything on an out of control Filo, 385 00:29:50,551 --> 00:29:53,137 who was there trying to take over his ranch. 386 00:29:56,655 --> 00:30:00,413 His constant defense was, "I was framed." 387 00:30:00,413 --> 00:30:03,448 "Well, yeah, I did some of it, 388 00:30:03,448 --> 00:30:07,000 but I only did it because I feared for my life." 389 00:30:08,275 --> 00:30:12,862 And that Filomeno was a member of this Mexican mafia, 390 00:30:12,862 --> 00:30:14,896 that he was to be feared. 391 00:30:16,758 --> 00:30:19,034 And June and Rex were murdered 392 00:30:19,034 --> 00:30:22,758 because they had dared to steal money from Filomeno. 393 00:30:27,655 --> 00:30:30,586 That type of behavior is vintage John Pinder, 394 00:30:30,586 --> 00:30:33,689 above reproach just because he says he is. 395 00:30:33,689 --> 00:30:36,172 You know, ignore my actions, believe what I'm telling you 396 00:30:36,172 --> 00:30:37,931 because that's the way it is type person. 397 00:30:39,965 --> 00:30:42,448 That's why we had a lot of trouble believing his story. 398 00:30:47,137 --> 00:30:49,931 The evidence started to point to John. 399 00:30:59,586 --> 00:31:01,689 When we went down to the ranch... 400 00:31:03,034 --> 00:31:06,448 it was full of dynamite and ammonium nitrate. 401 00:31:09,689 --> 00:31:16,448 They have their det cord and all of the makings of an explosive device. 402 00:31:19,896 --> 00:31:22,137 That's what they used to blow them up with. 403 00:31:28,206 --> 00:31:29,965 Pinders actually have property 404 00:31:29,965 --> 00:31:33,000 that adjoin me right here on the Strawberry River. 405 00:31:36,241 --> 00:31:38,000 John liked to blow things up. 406 00:31:40,517 --> 00:31:42,724 Evidently, he was trained in mining or something, 407 00:31:42,724 --> 00:31:46,103 and so he always had dynamite and stuff there all of the time. 408 00:31:47,931 --> 00:31:50,517 He used to shoot and blast the hills and things. 409 00:31:50,517 --> 00:31:54,103 He blew a tank up one time, a big old steel tank, 410 00:31:54,103 --> 00:31:55,758 scattered it all over the country 411 00:31:55,758 --> 00:31:57,862 and it was pretty common knowledge 412 00:31:57,862 --> 00:31:59,482 that everybody knew he liked to blow things up. 413 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:12,862 He loved dynamite. 414 00:32:12,862 --> 00:32:14,448 That was the way John was. 415 00:32:16,758 --> 00:32:20,310 John told me that he could vaporize someone... 416 00:32:21,724 --> 00:32:25,724 with dynamite and there would be nothing left to find. 417 00:32:25,724 --> 00:32:30,551 He dug his big tunnels back in the hills up there behind their house. 418 00:32:30,551 --> 00:32:32,758 There's two great big caves, 419 00:32:32,758 --> 00:32:35,172 probably 15, 20 feet high 420 00:32:35,172 --> 00:32:39,000 and 30 feet deep, back in just solid rock. 421 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:42,482 And they dynamited it all out and cleaned it out. 422 00:32:49,310 --> 00:32:50,862 What was John wearing at the time? 423 00:32:50,862 --> 00:32:52,034 Do you remember? 424 00:32:56,517 --> 00:32:57,620 Okay. 425 00:33:00,413 --> 00:33:02,620 So when you went to the lake, he had the jacket on. 426 00:33:08,172 --> 00:33:11,000 By pieces of dynamite hanging on a post, 427 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,241 we found the American flag jacket 428 00:33:14,241 --> 00:33:17,275 that John was wearing the night that the homicide happened. 429 00:33:21,241 --> 00:33:25,344 But one thing became a fairly crucial piece of evidence. 430 00:33:28,344 --> 00:33:31,137 John Pinder and Barbara DeHart showed up 431 00:33:31,137 --> 00:33:35,000 at the KSL Television Studios in Salt Lake City. 432 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:38,344 The defendant, Pinder, said he wanted to set the record straight. 433 00:33:38,344 --> 00:33:40,862 After the taping of the interview 434 00:33:40,862 --> 00:33:43,620 and as they were getting ready to drive away, 435 00:33:43,620 --> 00:33:45,034 he rolled down the window, 436 00:33:45,034 --> 00:33:46,896 the cameraman was still there. 437 00:33:54,517 --> 00:33:58,586 And Mrs. DeHart leaned over, looked out. 438 00:34:08,758 --> 00:34:10,586 He was with me all night that night. 439 00:34:13,379 --> 00:34:14,482 Isn't that interesting? 440 00:34:15,758 --> 00:34:18,965 How could she have known what night 441 00:34:18,965 --> 00:34:20,448 unless the killer told her? 442 00:34:27,448 --> 00:34:29,448 Why did John Pinder do what he did? 443 00:34:31,310 --> 00:34:34,586 I think this is where you want to hear the rest of the story. 444 00:34:59,137 --> 00:35:03,379 John looked like a businessman in court. 445 00:35:06,482 --> 00:35:09,586 He looked calm and self-assured. 446 00:35:11,724 --> 00:35:14,931 One of the court dates early on, 447 00:35:14,931 --> 00:35:19,241 I remember John turning around to Rex Tanner's brother 448 00:35:19,241 --> 00:35:22,275 and mouthing to him, 449 00:35:22,275 --> 00:35:23,586 "I didn't do it." 450 00:35:24,931 --> 00:35:27,793 I knew he was guilty and he tried to convince me 451 00:35:27,793 --> 00:35:29,000 he wasn't guilty. 452 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,862 And I told him, "You're a liar. You're a liar." 453 00:35:31,862 --> 00:35:35,379 And he just kept and I finally said, "You're a [bleep] liar," 454 00:35:37,827 --> 00:35:41,862 in the courtroom and of course, 455 00:35:41,862 --> 00:35:43,241 nobody said anything. 456 00:35:44,965 --> 00:35:48,896 I went to the trial every day because it felt right. 457 00:35:48,896 --> 00:35:51,517 I felt like I owed it to dad. 458 00:35:51,517 --> 00:35:53,655 But I just remember John sitting there. 459 00:35:53,655 --> 00:35:57,137 He acted like there was nothing wrong. 460 00:35:57,137 --> 00:35:59,448 Laughing and joking. 461 00:35:59,448 --> 00:36:01,000 He's a smug[bleep]. 462 00:36:02,172 --> 00:36:04,379 He just thought he could get away with anything. 463 00:36:04,379 --> 00:36:06,931 That's just the kind of person he was. 464 00:36:06,931 --> 00:36:09,482 He acted like he was untouchable. 465 00:36:09,482 --> 00:36:11,379 He would turn around and look at... 466 00:36:11,379 --> 00:36:14,655 look at the family and just have this... 467 00:36:16,862 --> 00:36:18,413 grin on his face. 468 00:36:23,103 --> 00:36:24,379 All rise. 469 00:36:26,413 --> 00:36:30,965 It became clear that Pinder's defense was going to be, 470 00:36:30,965 --> 00:36:33,206 I didn't do it because someone else did 471 00:36:33,206 --> 00:36:35,551 and that someone else was Filo Ruiz. 472 00:36:38,344 --> 00:36:40,586 John Pinder had ruled 473 00:36:40,586 --> 00:36:44,793 his little portion of Duchesne County with an iron fist, 474 00:36:44,793 --> 00:36:47,862 and Filo Ruiz was his enforcer. 475 00:36:47,862 --> 00:36:51,413 So it wasn't a surprise to the jury throughout the trial 476 00:36:51,413 --> 00:36:53,586 that it was at John's behest 477 00:36:53,586 --> 00:36:55,827 that Filo had done any of these things. 478 00:36:57,758 --> 00:37:02,586 The ultimate question of why Rex and June 479 00:37:02,586 --> 00:37:05,655 were killed was resolved by the fact 480 00:37:05,655 --> 00:37:11,758 that John simply did not like them very much and he was John Pinder. 481 00:37:11,758 --> 00:37:14,758 He was the king of the Pinder Ranch. 482 00:37:18,724 --> 00:37:22,931 He also was in the process of becoming divorced 483 00:37:22,931 --> 00:37:29,586 from his wife, Beverly, and it was not a harmonious split. 484 00:37:29,586 --> 00:37:36,034 John did not necessarily want to give Beverly a fair shake in the divorce, 485 00:37:36,034 --> 00:37:39,034 and anyone who sided with Beverly 486 00:37:39,034 --> 00:37:44,586 would likely also be on John's list of unpopular people... 487 00:37:46,448 --> 00:37:48,551 and that included June Flood. 488 00:37:50,896 --> 00:37:54,068 John Pinder believed that June had stolen documents 489 00:37:54,068 --> 00:37:58,241 pertaining to his divorce from Beverly, 490 00:37:58,241 --> 00:38:02,931 and those documents would cause him to lose the ranch. 491 00:38:02,931 --> 00:38:06,793 And whether or not he thought that Rex had a part in that. 492 00:38:06,793 --> 00:38:09,310 In John's mind, everybody was out to get John, 493 00:38:09,310 --> 00:38:11,172 so he wanted both of them. 494 00:38:16,482 --> 00:38:20,241 John and Filo burst into Rex and June's house 495 00:38:20,241 --> 00:38:24,344 and used a baseball bat to break Rex's femur. 496 00:38:27,482 --> 00:38:29,241 And then bashed June in the mouth. 497 00:38:30,862 --> 00:38:34,275 It was kind of a violent home invasion 498 00:38:34,275 --> 00:38:36,620 and they beat 'em and tortured 'em in the house. 499 00:38:42,137 --> 00:38:44,758 Took 'em from the Ivy House to Lake Canyon. 500 00:38:46,965 --> 00:38:51,172 They get them out and then executes them both. 501 00:38:57,689 --> 00:39:00,620 And then their bodies were blown up. 502 00:39:10,724 --> 00:39:13,586 The verdict in the trial came back 503 00:39:13,586 --> 00:39:16,068 John was found guilty on all charges. 504 00:39:21,896 --> 00:39:24,620 We were satisfied that justice had been done. 505 00:39:24,620 --> 00:39:27,482 Rex and June's death had been vindicated. 506 00:39:32,034 --> 00:39:34,103 Filo Ruiz had pled guilty to murder. 507 00:39:34,103 --> 00:39:35,620 He did serve a prison sentence. 508 00:39:35,620 --> 00:39:37,413 He was deported back to Mexico. 509 00:39:37,413 --> 00:39:39,137 John Pinder was convicted. 510 00:39:41,172 --> 00:39:44,862 His ultimate sentence was life in prison 511 00:39:44,862 --> 00:39:47,655 with the possibility of parole. 512 00:39:47,655 --> 00:39:51,103 And 22 years later, he remains in prison. 513 00:40:07,103 --> 00:40:11,241 That's Rex and his grandkids, it looks like. 514 00:40:14,620 --> 00:40:17,724 There was a lot of emotional damage caused from all of it. 515 00:40:22,310 --> 00:40:23,931 All these years later, 516 00:40:23,931 --> 00:40:29,931 it's still very emotional and very hard for all of us to... 517 00:40:31,103 --> 00:40:34,379 um, put it all behind us. 518 00:40:40,689 --> 00:40:43,344 I have nothing to say to John Pinder. 519 00:40:43,344 --> 00:40:45,965 I was raised an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. 520 00:40:47,482 --> 00:40:54,275 I still feel the same, but they assured me he'll never get out. 521 00:40:54,275 --> 00:40:57,379 As long as they keep him where he's at, I won't have to do my job. 522 00:41:07,413 --> 00:41:11,620 I have been thinking about scattering my dad's ashes for a very long time. 523 00:41:14,034 --> 00:41:17,068 He doesn't deserve to be pinned up in a box. 524 00:41:17,068 --> 00:41:19,241 Did you bring your drop shot of whiskey for him? 525 00:41:19,241 --> 00:41:20,931 Yep. I got his whiskey. 526 00:41:32,862 --> 00:41:34,896 I can't do it. 527 00:41:34,896 --> 00:41:36,137 Tell him goodbye, baby. 528 00:41:39,344 --> 00:41:41,379 He took my dad from me. 529 00:41:41,379 --> 00:41:42,586 He took my friend. 530 00:41:53,965 --> 00:41:55,724 You've got to stay right here. 531 00:41:55,724 --> 00:41:57,000 It's okay. 532 00:42:06,241 --> 00:42:08,310 - Bye, dad. - Bye, dad. 42162

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