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We'd received a phone
call at the sheriff's office
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that Rex and June
were missing.
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I thought maybe
they'd just gone off
on a party with somebody.
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Sheriff Stansfield
picked me up
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and we went to try to see
if we could figure out
where Rex and June were.
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They were living
in what we call
the old Ivy House.
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It's only
a few miles away
on the Strawberry River.
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First thing
we noticed,
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her car was still out
in the parking lot.
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We went to the house
and knocked on the door,
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nobody answered.
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We pushed on the door,
it opened right up.
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We went in.
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The house
was in kind of disarray.
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It became immediately
apparent something was amiss.
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Her driver's license
is there on the bed.
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The purse is there.
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I noticed
June's dentures...
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and I know June,
and I know
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she was very conscientious
about her dentures.
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There was evidence
of struggle.
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Blood stains.
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And then what really hit me
the hardest was Rex's hat
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was laying on the floor.
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To a cowboy,
that is an essential tool.
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You simply do not leave
your hat.
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That is as known
as the knuckles on your hand.
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Duchesne, Utah
is high desert country.
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If you were to scratch
the surface just a little bit,
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you would find a very much
the spirit of the Wild West.
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People are independent,
hard working.
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They don't like a lot
of outside influence
in their lives.
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Deals are made on a handshake.
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An honest day's work
for an honest day's pay
is kind of the...
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the theme of life here.
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You're only as good
as your word
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and you're only as good
as your work.
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Well, in 1998,
I was a detective sergeant
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with Duchesne County,
Sheriff's Office,
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and I'd grown up
in that area.
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And I knew every canyon,
every trail,
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every valley like it was
my own backyard.
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When Rex and June
went missing,
it was a huge surprise.
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Rex Tanner was my dad.
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Dad was working
at John Pinder's,
he was a ranch hand.
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He's a old cowboy,
that rugged, dusty,
dirty look.
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That was my dad.
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If you ever watched Westerns,
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them old cowboys
that lived out on the range
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with the herd,
that was Rex.
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June was a friend of his.
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They were both single.
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They lived alone.
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They ate dinner together.
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Just somebody to do something
with, so they weren't alone.
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In 1998, I was editor
of the Uintah Basin Standard.
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We would cover everything
in Duchesne County.
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June Flood was a bookkeeper,
took care of paperwork
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and so forth.
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She was several years
older than Rex.
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They formed a friendship.
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Rex was
my older brother.
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He was eight years older
than me.
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All of us was born cowboys.
We didn't know any better.
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Me and Rex,
we was pretty tight.
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I was actually down
to my uncle's house
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and one of his friends
called us, says,
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"I haven't heard
from June nor Rex."
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We felt something
was definitely wrong.
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It just was not Rex to...
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um, not at least call
if he couldn't make it.
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In 1998,
I was the sheriff
of Duchesne County.
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I grew up on a ranch
not far from here.
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I have spent
all my working days
policing the county,
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so I know these people
very well.
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Pinder Ranch
is about ten miles
from Duchesne City.
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It's at, what they call,
the Strawberry River area
of the county.
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Just a typical farming
and ranching operation.
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It's tough country.
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John Pinder was running
the ranch at the time.
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John was a young guy
in his early 40s.
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He's kind of wild.
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He did crazy things.
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I think he thought he could do
what he wanted to do
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whenever he wanted to do it.
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John Pinder
was very well known
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for having a full grown male
African lion named, Simba.
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He lived in the home
in the ranch house
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with John
and his sister, Jenny.
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It was a sleepy
little town.
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One day, I'm patrolling
on Main Street
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and here comes a big
blue Ram truck with a lion.
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And I'm not talking
a small lion,
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I'm talking
a full-grown African lion
sitting in the back.
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And it's getting
towards the afternoon.
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Kids are getting
out of school.
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He's just laughing.
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And I go, "John, you need
to take the lion home."
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That's John Pinder
and Simba.
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That's John and Simba
laying on the couch.
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I worked on the Pinder Ranch
at that time.
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I was there for pretty near
seven or eight months.
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I did have dealings with John,
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but I was told to stay away.
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My brother-in-law said
he's strange and don't go
near him. Don't...
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Just stay away from him.
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Rex was the cowboy.
He liked to ride.
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He liked to farm.
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He liked to mechanic.
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He done a little
of everything.
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Rex was a good farmhand.
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In our county,
we hadn't had a homicide
in 18 years.
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But that day we went
to Rex and June's house,
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we knew in our gut something
bad had happened.
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You don't leave your hat,
you don't leave your purse
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and you damn sure
don't leave your teeth
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if you're going to town
or going partying somewhere.
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That just was wrong.
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Something was very wrong.
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And as we drove away
and we're starting
to kind of realize
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we're headed into the unknown.
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And that's when I saw
a man named, Dave Brunyer.
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Now Dave Brunyer worked
for John Pinder on his ranch.
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He was chopping wood
at another piece
of Pinder property
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where John's sister Jenny
was living.
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And I remember saying,
Oh, well, we know Dave.
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He'll... We'll talk to him
and see what's going on.
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He came walking
over to us real fast.
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- Fast.
- Real kind of nervous.
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I rolled down
the window
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and we told him we was looking
for Rex and June and...
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- Yeah.
- ...and asked him
if he had seen them.
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And he told us no.
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He acted like he didn't know
who we was even talking about.
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And then Jenny was kind of
back and forth and in and out,
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and it was the oddest thing.
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He asked me, he said,
"Can you give me a card?
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And if I hear anything,
I'll call you."
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Now Dave Brunyer,
he knows my number.
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I think that the reason
he was being secretive
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or acting strange
was because of the presence
of Jenny Pinder,
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who was kind of hovering
in and out.
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I remember trying
to act along with him
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and so I got him
a card and said,
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"Yeah, if you... if you hear
of anything, let us know.
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I remember the hair
on the back of my neck
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standing up thinking,
"Oh man, this is..."
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It was a bad feeling.
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And I remember telling
the sheriff, we need to go.
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And I'm telling him
something is wrong
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and Dave Brunyer knows
about it.
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So right up here ahead of us
is the main Pinder Ranch.
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But I'll tell you what.
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This is probably as close
as I'm comfortable
going right now.
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There's a chance
that Jenny is there.
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She's known
to be very volatile.
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She does not like me.
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I've had opportunity
to arrest her before
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and interact with her before.
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Jenny Pinder
is a lady that likes to drink.
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Jenny and her boyfriend got
in a fight up there one night.
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He wanted to leave,
so he just packed up
and headed out,
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jumped in his truck,
went to turn the key on,
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and she shot him right through
the wrist with a 30-30 rifle.
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So when it comes
to the Pinders,
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it's pick your poison.
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John and Jenny were both
wild and unpredictable.
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In those days,
the Pinder Ranch was known
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as the Tower of Power
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because anything
and everything went
on up there.
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Party girls, drugs,
criminal, BS.
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If you wanted to get high,
you wanted to get drugs...
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go see John Pinder.
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And June and Rex,
they were both party people.
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At the time,
John and his wife, Beverly,
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were going through
a very acrimonious divorce.
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John was worried
that he was going
to lose the ranch,
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and that is something
that he was not about
to... to let happen,
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not even lose a part
of the ranch.
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We hadn't really
made a connection
with John Pinder at all.
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We were just realizing
something has happened
with Rex and June.
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He told us a story
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that he had been kind of
associating with the Pinders,
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partying a little bit,
a little handyman work,
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part-time work
on occasion, um, had...
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had done drugs with him.
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They told us
basically crazy [bleep].
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I shouldn't say that.
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It was... It was unbelievable.
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He described body parts
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for hundreds and hundreds
of feet
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scattered all around
the area...
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and said that
he had been cleaning up
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body parts
for the last three days.
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You could feel
the... the trauma coming
out of his voice.
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He was as purely horrified
as anybody I'd ever seen
when he was describing it.
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The first order of business
was to try to confirm something
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that Dave Brunyer had told us.
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We put him in the back
of my patrol car
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and covering him up
with a blanket
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because he didn't want
to be seen by anybody
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that he might be
the informant.
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And we drove up Lake Canyon.
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Now,
I'll never forget.
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We got out of the vehicle...
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and walked just a matter
of maybe four or five steps
and right there
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in kind of a driveway
pull-out area,
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hard-packed bare ground...
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there was a femur ball
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attached to a piece of femur
bone just laying there.
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And I had enough knowledge
to recognize that as a part
of the human anatomy.
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We'd noticed a chipmunk
nibbling on something
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which looked like
it was nibbling on the,
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the flesh of the...
of the leg.
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We found about
80 pieces of body parts.
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This was the real McCoy.
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I remember
going up to Lake Canyon area
to talk to the sheriff,
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and there was a long line
of cars,
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people curious about
what was going on.
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So, news spread quickly.
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And they told me,
"We have found parts
of two bodies."
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The immediate fear was that
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one of them could be
John Pinder's ex-wife,
Beverly.
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The deputies
pointed out to us
on that hillside
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that there was a leg there.
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We had a pair
of binoculars
and you could tell,
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the leg was laying there
with the sock still on.
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- Striped gym sock.
- Right.
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We knew
we had three people to locate.
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Beverly, Rex, and June.
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And Beverly is the only person
turned out to be alive.
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Uncle Milt called, says,
"I need you to come out
to the house.
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I need to talk to you."
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I said, "Okay, let me get
the boys ready
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and we'll be there."
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He says, "No, don't bring
the boys."
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He said, "Lori can come,
but don't bring the boys.
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I just need
to talk to you."
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I'm like, "Baby, what do you
think's going on?" you know?
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What... "I wonder what Milton
needs to talk to us about
that the kids couldn't come."
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Glen looked at me and he said,
242
00:19:10,103 --> 00:19:12,137
"My dad's hurt or he's dead."
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00:19:38,517 --> 00:19:42,586
Filo was a ranch hand
that worked
at the Pinder Ranch with John.
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He was his right hand man.
245
00:19:45,965 --> 00:19:47,275
We had heard rumors
246
00:19:47,275 --> 00:19:49,448
that he may
have been associated
247
00:19:49,448 --> 00:19:52,517
with the Sinaloa cartel
from Mexico.
248
00:19:53,724 --> 00:19:55,827
So we decided to give Filo
an interview.
249
00:20:00,068 --> 00:20:01,965
And of course,
he didn't want to talk to us,
250
00:20:01,965 --> 00:20:05,068
but we knew he was Catholic,
251
00:20:05,068 --> 00:20:08,655
and so we hung a picture
of the Savior on the wall.
252
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And we sit Filo in there
253
00:20:11,344 --> 00:20:13,379
looking at the picture
of the Savior
254
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and the little statues
of Jesus.
255
00:20:18,655 --> 00:20:22,310
After sitting there
for 30 minutes
looking at the Savior,
256
00:20:22,310 --> 00:20:27,689
when we went back in, he was
sobbing like a baby, crying.
257
00:20:28,689 --> 00:20:29,931
And he talked.
258
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What happened then?
259
00:20:38,206 --> 00:20:41,103
And then he... he just
kind of just started
telling the story.
260
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Do you remember
the Sunday night that,
261
00:21:02,413 --> 00:21:04,344
that you guys went to Rex
and June's house?
262
00:21:04,344 --> 00:21:05,482
Mm-hmm.
263
00:21:05,482 --> 00:21:06,724
- Do you remember
that night?
- Sí.
264
00:21:06,724 --> 00:21:08,517
Could you tell us about that?
265
00:21:12,103 --> 00:21:13,275
What happened then?
266
00:21:18,206 --> 00:21:19,551
Who said
we need to talk to you?
267
00:21:22,931 --> 00:21:24,655
As we talked to Filo,
268
00:21:24,655 --> 00:21:26,793
he said that John was paranoid
269
00:21:26,793 --> 00:21:29,241
about Rex and June
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00:21:29,241 --> 00:21:31,068
taking money out
of the lion account.
271
00:21:34,344 --> 00:21:37,896
Basically, the fund
was for buying the food,
272
00:21:37,896 --> 00:21:39,862
doing things like that
for the lion.
273
00:21:42,344 --> 00:21:47,034
So they killed them
on a Sunday night
and blowed 'em up.
274
00:21:51,620 --> 00:21:54,206
But we thought
maybe he was lying,
275
00:21:54,206 --> 00:21:55,931
trying to put the blame
on somebody else.
276
00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:02,137
We'd heard rumors
that Filo was working
for a Mexican cartel...
277
00:22:02,137 --> 00:22:05,413
and perhaps him and John
had had a falling out
over a drug deal.
278
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They took the bodies...
279
00:22:23,241 --> 00:22:26,586
and they piled them
on top of each other...
280
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and blew them up.
281
00:22:37,931 --> 00:22:39,482
My husband went off
the deep end.
282
00:22:41,344 --> 00:22:42,965
I went to a dark place.
283
00:22:42,965 --> 00:22:44,275
A very dark place.
284
00:22:47,862 --> 00:22:49,103
It was a rough time.
285
00:22:50,241 --> 00:22:51,655
Extremely rough time.
286
00:22:54,413 --> 00:22:56,586
There is no forgiveness
in my heart.
287
00:23:02,620 --> 00:23:06,241
Filomeno immediately
pointed the finger at John.
288
00:23:07,931 --> 00:23:11,000
But John is nowhere
to be found.
289
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:12,413
He has disappeared.
290
00:23:15,034 --> 00:23:17,275
When we started
looking for John,
291
00:23:17,275 --> 00:23:19,344
we were told
by the ranch hands
292
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,172
maybe he was going to head
for the Mexican border.
293
00:23:26,137 --> 00:23:28,655
Right off the bat
we thought, well,
294
00:23:28,655 --> 00:23:30,172
these people are all scared...
295
00:23:31,344 --> 00:23:35,793
of what John might do
if they talk.
296
00:23:39,068 --> 00:23:41,689
There were employees
at the ranch
that would tell us,
297
00:23:41,689 --> 00:23:43,241
"Well, you know,
he was here a few days ago
298
00:23:43,241 --> 00:23:47,482
and then he left
and he left with a woman
named Barbara DeHart."
299
00:23:47,482 --> 00:23:52,241
John met Barbara DeHart
in Idaho.
300
00:23:52,241 --> 00:23:54,034
She was a married woman,
301
00:23:54,034 --> 00:23:57,551
but she decided
to leave her husband
302
00:23:57,551 --> 00:24:01,655
and she and John
became an item.
303
00:24:16,103 --> 00:24:18,827
As far as the search
for John Pinder was going,
304
00:24:18,827 --> 00:24:23,000
by now there are warrants
for his arrest
for double homicide.
305
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,655
We believed he was
in a blue Dodge pickup truck
306
00:24:25,655 --> 00:24:27,172
because it wasn't
at the ranch.
307
00:24:27,172 --> 00:24:28,965
That's the truck
he usually drove.
308
00:24:30,172 --> 00:24:31,965
But we were not having
a lot of luck.
309
00:24:34,379 --> 00:24:38,310
Until we got notified
by a Salt Lake City
news station,
310
00:24:38,310 --> 00:24:42,275
KSL News reporter contacted me
311
00:24:42,275 --> 00:24:45,862
and said that he had just
done an on camera interview
with John Pinder...
312
00:24:47,241 --> 00:24:49,000
and that Barbara DeHart
was there.
313
00:24:52,862 --> 00:24:54,620
And I... I was just...
314
00:24:55,931 --> 00:24:57,034
stunned.
315
00:25:02,655 --> 00:25:04,137
What is it
that's going on?
316
00:25:04,137 --> 00:25:06,620
They're calling it
a heinous double murder.
317
00:25:06,620 --> 00:25:07,931
We have two people
that they're saying
318
00:25:07,931 --> 00:25:09,586
were blown up
and all this other stuff.
319
00:25:09,586 --> 00:25:10,965
- Mm-hmm.
- They're saying
320
00:25:10,965 --> 00:25:13,034
that they would at least like
to talk to you.
321
00:25:13,034 --> 00:25:14,724
So you tell me
what's going on?
322
00:25:14,724 --> 00:25:17,448
Well, let me start
right there.
323
00:25:17,448 --> 00:25:19,206
They'd like to talk
to me. I'd...
324
00:25:21,310 --> 00:25:24,689
be more than glad to go in
and talk to them
325
00:25:24,689 --> 00:25:29,448
if I felt comfortable
with circumstances, uh...
326
00:25:31,206 --> 00:25:32,310
concerning my life.
327
00:25:32,310 --> 00:25:34,965
We are both afraid
of our lives right now.
328
00:25:37,034 --> 00:25:40,310
He was aware
that he was a suspect
and stopped in
329
00:25:40,310 --> 00:25:42,000
to basically claim
his innocence.
330
00:25:43,758 --> 00:25:47,931
And that's why I'm here
is to try to protect myself
331
00:25:47,931 --> 00:25:52,344
and let the public know
what's going on
with our system
332
00:25:52,344 --> 00:25:54,034
and it is wrong.
333
00:25:54,034 --> 00:25:57,000
We have bad, bad people
in there
334
00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:00,862
that are supposedly supposed
to be protecting us
335
00:26:00,862 --> 00:26:03,103
and I am one
of the very few that
336
00:26:03,103 --> 00:26:06,724
will take the initiative,
step forward
337
00:26:06,724 --> 00:26:08,206
and call [bleep] on it.
338
00:26:10,103 --> 00:26:11,241
Despite what he was saying,
339
00:26:11,241 --> 00:26:13,172
we knew John was behind it.
340
00:26:13,172 --> 00:26:16,206
What we didn't know
is why he'd done it.
341
00:26:21,206 --> 00:26:24,482
Barbara DeHart
and John went
on the run together.
342
00:26:27,793 --> 00:26:29,896
Instead of being afraid of him
343
00:26:29,896 --> 00:26:33,827
or ashamed
of what had happened,
she was in awe.
344
00:26:33,827 --> 00:26:37,379
"Wow! Look at the guy
I'm with," you know?
345
00:26:37,379 --> 00:26:41,137
And she even referred
to the two of them
as Bonnie and Clyde.
346
00:26:42,793 --> 00:26:45,586
We had no idea
of what they were capable
of doing next.
347
00:27:14,724 --> 00:27:17,551
Because of the media,
it was big news at the time.
348
00:27:17,551 --> 00:27:21,344
We got contacted ultimately
by Barbara DeHart's
daughter, Melissa.
349
00:27:29,758 --> 00:27:32,620
We had arranged to meet
with Melissa
350
00:27:32,620 --> 00:27:35,379
to take a statement about
what her mother had told her.
351
00:27:39,034 --> 00:27:42,896
And I... I will never
forget this as long as I live.
352
00:27:42,896 --> 00:27:44,896
While we're preparing
to meet with Melissa
353
00:27:44,896 --> 00:27:46,068
to take her statement,
354
00:27:46,068 --> 00:27:47,931
Barbara DeHart showed up
at the house.
355
00:27:50,827 --> 00:27:52,724
Now, what do you do?
356
00:27:52,724 --> 00:27:54,275
We knew that Barbara DeHart
357
00:27:54,275 --> 00:27:56,034
was an associate
of John Pinder's,
358
00:27:56,034 --> 00:27:58,241
but we didn't know
if she had any complicity
359
00:27:58,241 --> 00:28:00,448
in this crime
or not at that time.
360
00:28:00,448 --> 00:28:03,689
Didn't want to tip our hand
right at that time.
361
00:28:03,689 --> 00:28:06,586
So literally, we hid
in the bathroom.
362
00:28:06,586 --> 00:28:09,758
And I... I remember
being so scared,
like, what the hell?
363
00:28:09,758 --> 00:28:12,793
And sure enough,
364
00:28:12,793 --> 00:28:15,655
we heard her tell Melissa
she had to use the bathroom.
365
00:28:17,034 --> 00:28:20,034
And she's walking
to the bathroom
366
00:28:20,034 --> 00:28:22,827
and Melissa just
said something
367
00:28:22,827 --> 00:28:24,517
to the effect,
"Oh, it doesn't work.
368
00:28:24,517 --> 00:28:27,034
You have to go to the store"
or something like that.
369
00:28:29,827 --> 00:28:32,000
And she left and we got...
we got out of there.
370
00:28:40,689 --> 00:28:42,758
The reason we couldn't really
take action is
371
00:28:42,758 --> 00:28:45,793
we don't have
law enforcement authority
in the state of Idaho
372
00:28:45,793 --> 00:28:49,172
and we didn't want her
to know we were up there
looking into her
373
00:28:49,172 --> 00:28:52,000
with the fear she would
destroy or hide more evidence.
374
00:28:57,655 --> 00:29:00,758
John Pinder was placed
on America's Most Wanted
375
00:29:00,758 --> 00:29:02,000
while we were looking for him.
376
00:29:05,068 --> 00:29:08,137
They had me
do an interview with them,
377
00:29:08,137 --> 00:29:11,620
but they wanted you
to break down and bawl
378
00:29:11,620 --> 00:29:14,137
and show your emotions,
379
00:29:14,137 --> 00:29:16,896
which I'm worse now
than I was back then.
380
00:29:26,379 --> 00:29:28,448
There was still no word
on where he is
381
00:29:28,448 --> 00:29:31,965
until one day we got word
through his attorneys
382
00:29:31,965 --> 00:29:35,206
that he had arranged
to surrender himself
383
00:29:35,206 --> 00:29:38,000
at our neighboring county's
Sheriff's Office.
384
00:29:45,034 --> 00:29:50,551
He did very much try
to blame everything
on an out of control Filo,
385
00:29:50,551 --> 00:29:53,137
who was there trying
to take over his ranch.
386
00:29:56,655 --> 00:30:00,413
His constant defense
was, "I was framed."
387
00:30:00,413 --> 00:30:03,448
"Well, yeah, I did some of it,
388
00:30:03,448 --> 00:30:07,000
but I only did it
because I feared for my life."
389
00:30:08,275 --> 00:30:12,862
And that Filomeno was a member
of this Mexican mafia,
390
00:30:12,862 --> 00:30:14,896
that he was to be feared.
391
00:30:16,758 --> 00:30:19,034
And June and Rex were murdered
392
00:30:19,034 --> 00:30:22,758
because they had dared
to steal money from Filomeno.
393
00:30:27,655 --> 00:30:30,586
That type of behavior
is vintage John Pinder,
394
00:30:30,586 --> 00:30:33,689
above reproach just
because he says he is.
395
00:30:33,689 --> 00:30:36,172
You know, ignore my actions,
believe what I'm telling you
396
00:30:36,172 --> 00:30:37,931
because that's the way
it is type person.
397
00:30:39,965 --> 00:30:42,448
That's why we had
a lot of trouble
believing his story.
398
00:30:47,137 --> 00:30:49,931
The evidence started
to point to John.
399
00:30:59,586 --> 00:31:01,689
When we went down
to the ranch...
400
00:31:03,034 --> 00:31:06,448
it was full of dynamite
and ammonium nitrate.
401
00:31:09,689 --> 00:31:16,448
They have their det cord
and all of the makings
of an explosive device.
402
00:31:19,896 --> 00:31:22,137
That's what they used
to blow them up with.
403
00:31:28,206 --> 00:31:29,965
Pinders actually
have property
404
00:31:29,965 --> 00:31:33,000
that adjoin me right here
on the Strawberry River.
405
00:31:36,241 --> 00:31:38,000
John liked to blow things up.
406
00:31:40,517 --> 00:31:42,724
Evidently, he was trained
in mining or something,
407
00:31:42,724 --> 00:31:46,103
and so he always
had dynamite and stuff
there all of the time.
408
00:31:47,931 --> 00:31:50,517
He used to shoot
and blast the hills
and things.
409
00:31:50,517 --> 00:31:54,103
He blew a tank up one time,
a big old steel tank,
410
00:31:54,103 --> 00:31:55,758
scattered it
all over the country
411
00:31:55,758 --> 00:31:57,862
and it was pretty
common knowledge
412
00:31:57,862 --> 00:31:59,482
that everybody knew he liked
to blow things up.
413
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:12,862
He loved dynamite.
414
00:32:12,862 --> 00:32:14,448
That was the way John was.
415
00:32:16,758 --> 00:32:20,310
John told me that
he could vaporize someone...
416
00:32:21,724 --> 00:32:25,724
with dynamite and there
would be nothing left to find.
417
00:32:25,724 --> 00:32:30,551
He dug his big tunnels
back in the hills up there
behind their house.
418
00:32:30,551 --> 00:32:32,758
There's two great big caves,
419
00:32:32,758 --> 00:32:35,172
probably 15, 20 feet high
420
00:32:35,172 --> 00:32:39,000
and 30 feet deep,
back in just solid rock.
421
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:42,482
And they dynamited it all out
and cleaned it out.
422
00:32:49,310 --> 00:32:50,862
What was John wearing
at the time?
423
00:32:50,862 --> 00:32:52,034
Do you remember?
424
00:32:56,517 --> 00:32:57,620
Okay.
425
00:33:00,413 --> 00:33:02,620
So when you went to the lake,
he had the jacket on.
426
00:33:08,172 --> 00:33:11,000
By pieces of dynamite
hanging on a post,
427
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,241
we found
the American flag jacket
428
00:33:14,241 --> 00:33:17,275
that John was wearing
the night that
the homicide happened.
429
00:33:21,241 --> 00:33:25,344
But one thing became a fairly
crucial piece of evidence.
430
00:33:28,344 --> 00:33:31,137
John Pinder and Barbara DeHart
showed up
431
00:33:31,137 --> 00:33:35,000
at the KSL Television Studios
in Salt Lake City.
432
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:38,344
The defendant, Pinder,
said he wanted to set
the record straight.
433
00:33:38,344 --> 00:33:40,862
After the taping
of the interview
434
00:33:40,862 --> 00:33:43,620
and as they were getting
ready to drive away,
435
00:33:43,620 --> 00:33:45,034
he rolled down the window,
436
00:33:45,034 --> 00:33:46,896
the cameraman was still there.
437
00:33:54,517 --> 00:33:58,586
And Mrs. DeHart leaned over,
looked out.
438
00:34:08,758 --> 00:34:10,586
He was with me
all night that night.
439
00:34:13,379 --> 00:34:14,482
Isn't that interesting?
440
00:34:15,758 --> 00:34:18,965
How could she have known
what night
441
00:34:18,965 --> 00:34:20,448
unless the killer told her?
442
00:34:27,448 --> 00:34:29,448
Why did John Pinder do
what he did?
443
00:34:31,310 --> 00:34:34,586
I think this is where you want
to hear the rest of the story.
444
00:34:59,137 --> 00:35:03,379
John looked like
a businessman in court.
445
00:35:06,482 --> 00:35:09,586
He looked calm
and self-assured.
446
00:35:11,724 --> 00:35:14,931
One of the court dates
early on,
447
00:35:14,931 --> 00:35:19,241
I remember John turning around
to Rex Tanner's brother
448
00:35:19,241 --> 00:35:22,275
and mouthing to him,
449
00:35:22,275 --> 00:35:23,586
"I didn't do it."
450
00:35:24,931 --> 00:35:27,793
I knew he was guilty
and he tried to convince me
451
00:35:27,793 --> 00:35:29,000
he wasn't guilty.
452
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,862
And I told him,
"You're a liar.
You're a liar."
453
00:35:31,862 --> 00:35:35,379
And he just kept and I finally
said, "You're a [bleep] liar,"
454
00:35:37,827 --> 00:35:41,862
in the courtroom
and of course,
455
00:35:41,862 --> 00:35:43,241
nobody said anything.
456
00:35:44,965 --> 00:35:48,896
I went
to the trial every day
because it felt right.
457
00:35:48,896 --> 00:35:51,517
I felt like I owed it to dad.
458
00:35:51,517 --> 00:35:53,655
But I just remember
John sitting there.
459
00:35:53,655 --> 00:35:57,137
He acted like
there was nothing wrong.
460
00:35:57,137 --> 00:35:59,448
Laughing and joking.
461
00:35:59,448 --> 00:36:01,000
He's a smug[bleep].
462
00:36:02,172 --> 00:36:04,379
He just thought
he could get away
with anything.
463
00:36:04,379 --> 00:36:06,931
That's just the kind
of person he was.
464
00:36:06,931 --> 00:36:09,482
He acted like
he was untouchable.
465
00:36:09,482 --> 00:36:11,379
He would turn around
and look at...
466
00:36:11,379 --> 00:36:14,655
look at the family
and just have this...
467
00:36:16,862 --> 00:36:18,413
grin on his face.
468
00:36:23,103 --> 00:36:24,379
All rise.
469
00:36:26,413 --> 00:36:30,965
It became clear that Pinder's
defense was going to be,
470
00:36:30,965 --> 00:36:33,206
I didn't do it
because someone else did
471
00:36:33,206 --> 00:36:35,551
and that someone else
was Filo Ruiz.
472
00:36:38,344 --> 00:36:40,586
John Pinder had ruled
473
00:36:40,586 --> 00:36:44,793
his little portion
of Duchesne County
with an iron fist,
474
00:36:44,793 --> 00:36:47,862
and Filo Ruiz was
his enforcer.
475
00:36:47,862 --> 00:36:51,413
So it wasn't a surprise
to the jury
throughout the trial
476
00:36:51,413 --> 00:36:53,586
that it was at John's behest
477
00:36:53,586 --> 00:36:55,827
that Filo had done
any of these things.
478
00:36:57,758 --> 00:37:02,586
The ultimate question
of why Rex and June
479
00:37:02,586 --> 00:37:05,655
were killed was resolved
by the fact
480
00:37:05,655 --> 00:37:11,758
that John simply
did not like them very much
and he was John Pinder.
481
00:37:11,758 --> 00:37:14,758
He was the king
of the Pinder Ranch.
482
00:37:18,724 --> 00:37:22,931
He also was in the process
of becoming divorced
483
00:37:22,931 --> 00:37:29,586
from his wife, Beverly,
and it was not
a harmonious split.
484
00:37:29,586 --> 00:37:36,034
John did not necessarily
want to give Beverly
a fair shake in the divorce,
485
00:37:36,034 --> 00:37:39,034
and anyone who sided
with Beverly
486
00:37:39,034 --> 00:37:44,586
would likely also be
on John's list
of unpopular people...
487
00:37:46,448 --> 00:37:48,551
and that included June Flood.
488
00:37:50,896 --> 00:37:54,068
John Pinder believed
that June had stolen documents
489
00:37:54,068 --> 00:37:58,241
pertaining to his divorce
from Beverly,
490
00:37:58,241 --> 00:38:02,931
and those documents would
cause him to lose the ranch.
491
00:38:02,931 --> 00:38:06,793
And whether or not he thought
that Rex had a part in that.
492
00:38:06,793 --> 00:38:09,310
In John's mind,
everybody was out to get John,
493
00:38:09,310 --> 00:38:11,172
so he wanted both of them.
494
00:38:16,482 --> 00:38:20,241
John and Filo burst
into Rex and June's house
495
00:38:20,241 --> 00:38:24,344
and used a baseball bat
to break Rex's femur.
496
00:38:27,482 --> 00:38:29,241
And then bashed June
in the mouth.
497
00:38:30,862 --> 00:38:34,275
It was kind of
a violent home invasion
498
00:38:34,275 --> 00:38:36,620
and they beat 'em
and tortured 'em in the house.
499
00:38:42,137 --> 00:38:44,758
Took 'em from the Ivy House
to Lake Canyon.
500
00:38:46,965 --> 00:38:51,172
They get them out
and then executes them both.
501
00:38:57,689 --> 00:39:00,620
And then their bodies
were blown up.
502
00:39:10,724 --> 00:39:13,586
The verdict in the trial
came back
503
00:39:13,586 --> 00:39:16,068
John was found guilty
on all charges.
504
00:39:21,896 --> 00:39:24,620
We were satisfied that
justice had been done.
505
00:39:24,620 --> 00:39:27,482
Rex and June's death
had been vindicated.
506
00:39:32,034 --> 00:39:34,103
Filo Ruiz had pled
guilty to murder.
507
00:39:34,103 --> 00:39:35,620
He did serve
a prison sentence.
508
00:39:35,620 --> 00:39:37,413
He was deported
back to Mexico.
509
00:39:37,413 --> 00:39:39,137
John Pinder was convicted.
510
00:39:41,172 --> 00:39:44,862
His ultimate sentence
was life in prison
511
00:39:44,862 --> 00:39:47,655
with the possibility
of parole.
512
00:39:47,655 --> 00:39:51,103
And 22 years later,
he remains in prison.
513
00:40:07,103 --> 00:40:11,241
That's Rex and his grandkids,
it looks like.
514
00:40:14,620 --> 00:40:17,724
There was a lot
of emotional damage
caused from all of it.
515
00:40:22,310 --> 00:40:23,931
All these years later,
516
00:40:23,931 --> 00:40:29,931
it's still very emotional
and very hard
for all of us to...
517
00:40:31,103 --> 00:40:34,379
um, put it all behind us.
518
00:40:40,689 --> 00:40:43,344
I have nothing
to say to John Pinder.
519
00:40:43,344 --> 00:40:45,965
I was raised an eye for an eye
and a tooth for a tooth.
520
00:40:47,482 --> 00:40:54,275
I still feel the same,
but they assured me
he'll never get out.
521
00:40:54,275 --> 00:40:57,379
As long as they keep him
where he's at, I won't
have to do my job.
522
00:41:07,413 --> 00:41:11,620
I have been thinking
about scattering my dad's
ashes for a very long time.
523
00:41:14,034 --> 00:41:17,068
He doesn't deserve
to be pinned up in a box.
524
00:41:17,068 --> 00:41:19,241
Did you bring your drop
shot of whiskey for him?
525
00:41:19,241 --> 00:41:20,931
Yep. I got his whiskey.
526
00:41:32,862 --> 00:41:34,896
I can't do it.
527
00:41:34,896 --> 00:41:36,137
Tell him goodbye, baby.
528
00:41:39,344 --> 00:41:41,379
He took my dad from me.
529
00:41:41,379 --> 00:41:42,586
He took my friend.
530
00:41:53,965 --> 00:41:55,724
You've got
to stay right here.
531
00:41:55,724 --> 00:41:57,000
It's okay.
532
00:42:06,241 --> 00:42:08,310
- Bye, dad.
- Bye, dad.
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