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[CHEERING CROWDS]
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[HUGH ANDERSON]:
It's dead silence.
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A hundred thousand people there.
Didn't register.
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It is absolutely another world.
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The concentration levels
are so high
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it's a sort of
spiritual mental state.
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Nothing can stop you.
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By accepting death,
you lose the fear of it.
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That's Grand Prix racing.
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[TOMMY ROBB]:
Degner was a spectacular rider.
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A very, very fast rider.
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[LOTHAR REESE]:
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[STROMHARDT KRAFT]:
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[OLAF DEGNER]:
My father was a racing driver.
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It was all racing.
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This was his life.
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He was a star in East Germany...
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but he definitely thought
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he would get a better life
in the West.
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[LOADING AND PLAYING AUDIO
CASSETTE]
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I was born on
22nd September 1931
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in Gleiwitz,
which is now Poland.
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[DISTANT SOUNDS OF WARFARE]
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My father died a few days before
the end of the war.
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And then we had to emigrate
from Poland.
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[ROCKETS BEING LAUNCHED]
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When the Russians
were conquering again
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parts that Germans
had conquered before,
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when they came back,
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then all these people
who were Germans
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flew to be saved
from the Russian troops,
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and there he was also then
with his mother
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and his sister,
fleeing in this track.
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[ERNST DEGNER]:
We went to East Germany,
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settled down there,
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then half a year later
my mother died
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so, I was 14-years-old
without any parents.
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He'd had a tough upbringing.
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I wouldn't have wanted to be
an orphan in East Germany
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at the end of the war.
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It was a shocking place
after the war.
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Absolutely awful.
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All those eastern countries
were bombed and bashed
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by the Russians and the Germans.
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East Germany was just
completely trashed.
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[OLAF]: I could see that he had
a very tough childhood.
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His father was extremely strong.
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He tried to educate Ernst
by beating him.
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I think this is a very dark
part of his life.
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[WARPLANES FLYING OVERHEAD]
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From Stettin in the Baltic
to Trieste in the Adriatic
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an iron curtain has
descended across the continent.
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[ARCHIVE REPORTER]:
Nikita Khrushchev made it clear
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he believed the communist world
could bury the West.
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Even if there were only
one communist
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in the State Department,
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that would still be
one communist too many.
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[ARCHIVE REPORTER]: The Soviet
Union launches Sputnik One
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on October 4th 1957.
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[TREMENDOUS SOUNDS OF ROCKET
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[ARCHIVE REPORTER]:
Two atomic colossi
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are doomed malevolently
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to eye each other indefinitely
across a trembling world.
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[ANNA FUNDER]: There was
competition at every level.
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Eastern bloc athletes
competing in the west
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was enormously important.
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The communist regimes
were very intent
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on proving that their way
of being
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and of running things,
of running a society
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was superior in every way.
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[OMINOUS MUSIC]
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[MURRAY WALKER]:
MZ was an East German
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motorcycle racing company.
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If you were an East German
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you aspired to having
a motorcycle
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and MZ made those motorcycles.
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[ROBB]: Walter Kaaden was
an exceptional engineer.
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He was probably the person
who advanced 2-strokes
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faster than anybody else did.
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[HAMMER TAPPING]
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[NORBERT KAADEN]:
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[MUSIC]
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[WALKER]: He harnessed the
harmonics of the exhaust system,
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which made the engine
a lot more efficient.
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[KAADEN]:
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[KRAFT]:
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[ROBB]:
It was all done so low-key.
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They weren't a monied
company.
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The materials they used
weren't the best materials
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because they were limited behind
the Iron Curtain in those days.
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They looked a bit tinny.
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[KRAFT]:
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[ROBB]: Ernst I could tell
admired Kaaden greatly,
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so he did,
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but I could also tell that
Kaaden admired Degner greatly
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because of his ability
as a rider.
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And of course as an engineer.
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When you were watching them
together
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it was almost like a father
and son relationship,
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he was that close to him.
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[KRAFT]:
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[OLAF]: They saw that he is not
only a good racer,
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he would also be a very big part
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of the development
of the engines.
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[KRAFT]:
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[ANDERSON]: The innovation
was absolutely incredible.
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[ROBB]:
They were 2-stroke wizards.
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[TROOPS MARCHING]
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[TANKS ROLLING]
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[FUNDER]:
East Germany was a small nation
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that came out of the ashes
of fascism
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and the Second World War
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and that was, in theory,
trying to create
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a fairer non-fascist,
non-capitalist world.
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But East Germany had...
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an extreme system of repression
of its own people.
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In those days,
it was frightening.
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Quite brutal.
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The GDR was an extraordinarily
intrusive
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malicious surveillance state.
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[WALKER]: There was
an organisation called the Stasi
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in East Germany,
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which was in effect
the secret police.
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Everybody in East Germany was
informing on everybody else
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because that was the culture,
sadly and tragically,
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that existed.
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[RITA PERRIS]: "Shut your mouth.
Don't speak."
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You have to live
like a mouse.
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You just keep schtum.
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[FUNDER]: You could do nothing
without being spied on.
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You could do nothing without
having it reported back
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to the government.
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They wanted to keep everything
literally under control
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and everyone under control.
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[OLAF]: My father was observed
by the Stasi all the time.
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If my father was meeting
a known or unknown,
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some Stasi person,
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this person was writing down
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all the conversation
he had with him.
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To give it to the party members.
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[CLICKETY-CLACK OF OLD
TYPEWRITER]
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[FUNDER]: People tried to
live a normal life
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in abnormal or extreme
circumstances.
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[KRAFT]:
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[OLAF]: He had a very special
status in East Germany.
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He enjoyed getting
special treatments.
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[OLAF]: They also gave my mother
a job at MZ
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so they both could be together
in the same company.
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He had a better car
than everybody else,
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and he could travel to the west,
which normal people couldn't.
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But compared to what he saw
in West Germany
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it was still very little.
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[PASSPORT STAMP]
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[TRAVELLING MUSIC]
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[KRAFT]:
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[ROBB]:
For Ernst then to come back
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from behind
a restricted country,
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that must have been like
us going to Disneyland.
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I remember them feeling
very out of place.
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Chelira and Mondal and MV
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and all the top names in Italy
were there then,
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so you were really
going into the country
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and the world
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that was at the top
of the Grand Prix racing scene.
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[WALKER]: MZ were hardly known
and little thought of
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and certainly not thought
highly of.
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They were persona non grata
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in the motorcycle racing world
after the war.
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[ROBB]: Jimmy Matsumiya was
an absolute gentleman.
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He came over
as Suzuki's representative.
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He was always
dressed immaculately.
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My name is James Akira
Matsumiya.
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And for the British, I'm Jimmy.
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I was at the Italian Grand Prix
circuit of Monza.
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Suzuki wasn't successful.
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I had to bring
Suzuki's performance up,
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but I didn't know what to do.
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[ROBB]:
Ernst got a very good start.
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He was first
into the first corner.
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[OLAF]: He won by inches against
the Italian hero Ubbiali
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in a very nose to nose race.
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"It was very exciting" he said.
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He was telling me the story
quite often.
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[JIMMY MATSUMIYA]:
I was trying very hard
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to find out the secret
of why MZ is so strong.
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My job is to make Suzuki
company successful.
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So I started to look at
Ernst Degner.
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[ROBB]: That was making Ernst
a star rider.
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This high speed missile
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that was coming out of
East Germany.
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The name Degner and the name MZ
were becoming rapidly known.
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People were starting to look
at these...
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hand-beaten aluminium bikes
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from behind the Iron Curtain.
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[CLACKING OF OLD TYPEWRITER]
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Ernst Degner was projected
into a world
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of international motorcycle
racing,
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which took him out of
East Germany
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into countries
all over the world
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where the standard of living
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was infinitely higher than
the one he was used to.
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I believe that Degner,
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as a member of
the Communist State
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and as a top motorcycle racer
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was actually paid a sort of
basic wage.
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So seeing people like
Jim Redman, Tom Phillis,
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Mike Hailwood, Phil Read
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who had loads of money,
loads of status,
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must have hit Degner
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like throwing a bucket of
cold water at him.
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[SLOW WHIRR OF OLD CINE
PROJECTOR]
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[TYPING]
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[ROBB]: He would've liked to
have been in the west
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because of the freedom
that we had.
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He would love to
have been with us
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every weekend
with no restrictions.
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Not being watched.
Not being kept back.
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[OLD FASHIONED TYPEWRITER]
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He could see then...
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that life on the other side of
the curtain
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might be interesting.
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I think this was a time when
they started to think about
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trying to find a way to escape.
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[LIVELY MUSIC]
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[WALKER]:
The Isle of Man TT
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is the greatest
motorsport event in the world.
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It is totally
and absolutely unique.
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The circuit goes through
towns and villages.
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[ROBB]: The hazards were
the fact that you had hedges,
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ditches, trees, garden gates,
ordinary roads.
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And it's hurt me
so many, many times.
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When you hit something solid,
that was it.
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[MATSUMIYA]: Mr Suzuki came
to the Isle of Man.
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And he said, "Jimmy, we must win
the motorcycle racing in Europe.
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Then people will recognise that
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Japanese motorcycle
is worth buying."
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So, my job was...
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to try to bring
Suzuki's performance up to
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the level of MZ.
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[ROBB]: At the TT, I was staying
in the same guest house,
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the Fernleigh Hotel,
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along with Jimmy, Degner,
and the other riders.
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Jimmy Matsumiya -
he was ambitious.
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He was determined
to get Suzuki to the top.
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[MATSUMIYA]:
I was at the bar.
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And then I bumped into
Ernst Degner.
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I said, "Entschuldigung".
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He said,
"You, you spoke German!"
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So I said, "Yes.
I learnt German in school."
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So my association with Degner
had started.
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[ROBB]: In those days, they had
a chief commissar with them,
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Herr Hartmann, who watched
their every move.
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And he had the ability to stop
that race meeting for them
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and take them back home.
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[COMMENTATOR]:
These East German 2-strokes,
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radically altered
in the engine departments
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are sounding terrific.
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[ROAR OF MOTORBIKE]
261
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And here's Ernst Degner
on his East German MZ.
262
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Degner had broken
the lap record in practice.
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[WALKER]: The BBC did the TT
in the Isle of Man...
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00:25:20,173 --> 00:25:23,383
and I used to go round
all the individual camps
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and I talked to Degner.
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00:25:26,283 --> 00:25:28,734
And he certainly had a lot
inside his head
267
00:25:28,768 --> 00:25:30,598
as a rider and a mechanic
268
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and someone who had worked
very closely with Walter Kaaden.
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[MOTORBIKE ROARS PAST]
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[WALKER ON COMMENTARY]:
There were three
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Japanese Suzukis,
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but they had been in trouble
during practice.
273
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None of these seemed to have
any chance of winning.
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[ERNST]: Well, we had known
in the MZ team
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two or three people
from the Communist Party.
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So Matsumiya and I
had to talk together
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very secret.
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[MATSUMIYA]: One day,
when he was in my room
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Degner said, "Jimmy,
I love jazz, do you like jazz?"
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So I said, "Yes, I used to play
drums."
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[HE IMITATES DRUMS]
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I got the gramophone.
283
00:26:28,069 --> 00:26:29,933
[JAZZ MUSIC]
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I intentionally made the volume
of the jazz music higher,
285
00:26:34,247 --> 00:26:35,594
and we are talking.
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[JAZZ MUSIC]
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I never thought he knew
jazz song.
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[MELLOW JAZZ]
289
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Degner and myself put together
through the music.
290
00:26:58,133 --> 00:27:03,242
Degner was trying desperately
to escape from Eastern Germany.
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[CIGARETTE LIGHTER]
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At that time,
I'd made up my mind
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that we must get
some technology from MZ
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one way or another.
295
00:27:17,463 --> 00:27:19,223
We must have a better engine.
296
00:27:26,161 --> 00:27:28,716
So I was trying to build up
the relationship.
297
00:27:29,509 --> 00:27:33,341
I thought that Degner
is important to us.
298
00:27:52,291 --> 00:27:55,225
Degner started to feel that
I am trustworthy friend.
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One day after dinner,
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00:28:01,127 --> 00:28:04,683
Degner and myself
went to the top of the cliff,
301
00:28:05,580 --> 00:28:07,202
to the edge of the land.
302
00:28:09,066 --> 00:28:11,379
You can see
there's nobody around.
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00:28:13,968 --> 00:28:16,177
I still remember
it was very windy
304
00:28:16,211 --> 00:28:17,903
and the sea was very rough.
305
00:28:21,941 --> 00:28:24,150
[CRASHING WAVES]
306
00:28:24,806 --> 00:28:26,463
And when we are looking
at the sea...
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00:28:28,879 --> 00:28:31,295
Degner said,
"Jimmy, beyond there,
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00:28:31,330 --> 00:28:33,021
there's civilisation.
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00:28:33,608 --> 00:28:38,544
Britain, America, even further
you have Japan.
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I have only one way
to go back.
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00:28:43,791 --> 00:28:46,897
To the small cage
called Eastern Germany,
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00:28:48,243 --> 00:28:50,383
where I don't have any freedom
whatsoever."
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00:28:51,143 --> 00:28:52,972
[CRASHING WAVES]
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I feel sorry for him.
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00:29:03,293 --> 00:29:06,779
So I said, "Ernst, I can give
you my word of honour...
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00:29:10,818 --> 00:29:14,442
you have money waiting for you
when you defect.
317
00:29:17,272 --> 00:29:21,967
Now, how shall we construct
your defection plan?"
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00:30:43,358 --> 00:30:44,877
Everybody is compromised
319
00:30:44,912 --> 00:30:47,500
in the way that the State
is compromised.
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00:30:47,535 --> 00:30:50,365
And in that sense
it broke people.
321
00:30:50,745 --> 00:30:53,023
Both the people who
worked for it,
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00:30:53,058 --> 00:30:56,578
who were kind of...
morally broken
323
00:30:56,613 --> 00:30:58,235
and the people that
they oppressed.
324
00:30:59,443 --> 00:31:03,723
We know now that Kaaden
was a part of the Stasi.
325
00:31:03,758 --> 00:31:07,693
So even, let's say, one of
his friends, his team mate,
326
00:31:07,727 --> 00:31:10,489
who was always around him
327
00:31:10,523 --> 00:31:11,904
was observing him.
328
00:31:13,423 --> 00:31:15,045
He didn't have a choice, did he?
329
00:31:16,288 --> 00:31:18,635
He wouldn't have been in the job
if he hadn't said yes.
330
00:31:20,223 --> 00:31:23,088
If he'd said, "No, I don't agree
to doing all this",
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00:31:23,122 --> 00:31:25,228
Kaaden wouldn't have been
an engineer.
332
00:31:25,262 --> 00:31:27,333
This was a regime
333
00:31:27,368 --> 00:31:31,234
that effectively used fear
as fuel
334
00:31:31,751 --> 00:31:33,581
and it ran on betrayal.
335
00:31:37,343 --> 00:31:41,692
It asked of people
to betray themselves
336
00:31:41,727 --> 00:31:44,523
and to betray the most
fundamental relationships
337
00:31:44,557 --> 00:31:45,662
in their lives.
338
00:32:00,021 --> 00:32:01,298
[ROBB]:
Any top rider
339
00:32:01,333 --> 00:32:02,990
desired the World Championship.
340
00:32:03,024 --> 00:32:07,028
And Ernst was a very, very
determined person.
341
00:32:13,828 --> 00:32:15,623
[KRAFT]:
342
00:32:56,491 --> 00:33:00,599
[WALKER]: Because East Germany
and the Iron Curtain countries
343
00:33:00,633 --> 00:33:03,050
were deprived of
the spectacle
344
00:33:03,084 --> 00:33:05,397
of top international
motorcycle racing
345
00:33:05,431 --> 00:33:07,640
they got the most enormous
crowds there.
346
00:33:19,169 --> 00:33:23,415
[KRAFT]:
347
00:34:06,527 --> 00:34:09,185
[OLAF]: He was so close to being
world champion
348
00:34:09,219 --> 00:34:13,223
but he was sick of not doing
what he wanted to do
349
00:34:13,258 --> 00:34:15,674
and when he was doing something
350
00:34:15,708 --> 00:34:20,092
then it was only Kaaden
and the higher people
351
00:34:20,127 --> 00:34:21,783
that was getting
the benefit out of it.
352
00:34:24,786 --> 00:34:27,720
He wanted to have
his own decisions
353
00:34:27,755 --> 00:34:29,757
rather than be controlled
by them.
354
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:34,727
[ARCHIVE REPORTER]: The
attention of an anxious world
355
00:34:34,762 --> 00:34:37,489
is focussed on East
and West Germany and Berlin.
356
00:34:37,523 --> 00:34:40,147
The last great exodus of
refugees from the east
357
00:34:40,181 --> 00:34:42,528
is processed at
the Marienfelde Centre
358
00:34:42,563 --> 00:34:45,635
as the Communist German regime
moves to close their border
359
00:34:45,669 --> 00:34:46,912
against further flights.
360
00:34:47,361 --> 00:34:49,156
Once the East Germans
are processed
361
00:34:49,190 --> 00:34:50,398
they are absorbed
362
00:34:50,433 --> 00:34:52,297
into the hungry West German
labour market.
363
00:34:52,331 --> 00:34:54,851
Young people were leaving
in droves.
364
00:34:55,265 --> 00:34:58,475
Some ex-East Germans
have described it to me
365
00:34:58,510 --> 00:34:59,545
as a haemorrhage.
366
00:34:59,821 --> 00:35:01,271
There were checkpoints,
367
00:35:01,306 --> 00:35:03,756
but they were very permeable
on a daily basis.
368
00:35:03,791 --> 00:35:05,241
People went back and forth.
369
00:35:09,866 --> 00:35:15,906
[MATSUMIYA]: During that period,
Berlin Wall is not created yet.
370
00:35:17,460 --> 00:35:20,256
So the people in East Berlin
371
00:35:20,290 --> 00:35:21,740
can commute with western Berlin
372
00:35:22,637 --> 00:35:24,708
through the underground.
373
00:35:26,296 --> 00:35:29,265
It was before
the government started
374
00:35:29,299 --> 00:35:31,543
to tighten up the loophole.
375
00:35:36,996 --> 00:35:39,758
[ERNST]: It was easy,
you just took the underground
376
00:35:39,792 --> 00:35:42,347
from East Berlin to West Berlin,
and you were there.
377
00:35:47,283 --> 00:35:50,389
[MATSUMIYA]: My idea was
to meet with Degner
378
00:35:50,424 --> 00:35:52,978
in the western side of Berlin.
379
00:35:59,467 --> 00:36:01,469
And one day Degner said,
380
00:36:01,504 --> 00:36:04,438
"Jimmy, we will try to come out
to the west."
381
00:36:07,337 --> 00:36:11,652
Now, Degner started to prepare
for the defection.
382
00:36:15,621 --> 00:36:18,417
They wanted to leave
as soon as possible.
383
00:36:25,390 --> 00:36:29,359
[MATSUMIYA]:
So, I went to Berlin...
384
00:36:31,258 --> 00:36:33,363
and meet with him
in the western side
385
00:36:34,261 --> 00:36:36,711
of the underground.
386
00:36:43,270 --> 00:36:45,272
So, about 10 o'clock
I went to the station.
387
00:36:47,998 --> 00:36:50,863
Not this train, OK, next train,
next train, next train.
388
00:36:52,382 --> 00:36:54,626
I was just sitting there,
waiting.
389
00:36:56,835 --> 00:36:57,974
He did not come.
390
00:37:03,635 --> 00:37:07,846
When I came back to the hotel,
I received a telephone call
391
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,089
from somebody unknown,
392
00:37:10,124 --> 00:37:13,231
who claims that actually
he's a friend of Degner.
393
00:37:15,405 --> 00:37:19,720
And he said, "You are waiting
for Degner, aren't you?
394
00:37:19,754 --> 00:37:21,411
And Degner isn't coming."
395
00:37:22,032 --> 00:37:24,000
He said, "It is too dangerous."
396
00:37:25,519 --> 00:37:27,279
"The wall will be built
within two days."
397
00:37:40,465 --> 00:37:41,914
Degner stopped talking to me.
398
00:37:42,984 --> 00:37:44,986
So I had to come back to the UK.
399
00:38:03,004 --> 00:38:06,629
[FUNDER]:
Overnight, the guards came
400
00:38:06,663 --> 00:38:10,805
and started building a wall
through the city,
401
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:12,807
the heart of the city of Berlin
402
00:38:12,842 --> 00:38:14,809
and around the eastern sector
403
00:38:14,844 --> 00:38:18,606
to wall in
the eastern part of the capital.
404
00:38:19,055 --> 00:38:21,471
And at the same time then
they fortified the border
405
00:38:21,506 --> 00:38:23,715
between East Germany
and West Germany.
406
00:38:49,465 --> 00:38:52,433
[FUNDER]: People were leaping
from windows
407
00:38:52,468 --> 00:38:53,848
in their apartment buildings
408
00:38:53,883 --> 00:38:56,817
when they could see the guards
and the sandbags
409
00:38:56,851 --> 00:38:59,578
and the dogs and the barbed wire
outside their window.
410
00:39:02,063 --> 00:39:04,790
People were separated
from their jobs.
411
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:08,000
They were separated from
family members
412
00:39:08,035 --> 00:39:10,002
for years, for decades.
413
00:39:13,903 --> 00:39:15,974
It was a desperate measure
414
00:39:16,008 --> 00:39:18,563
and that really cut through
people's lives.
415
00:39:23,533 --> 00:39:25,639
[KRAFT]:
416
00:40:03,055 --> 00:40:05,161
[OLD-FASHIONED TYPEWRITER]
417
00:40:21,004 --> 00:40:23,213
His family, his wife
and his children
418
00:40:23,248 --> 00:40:25,077
were not allowed
to accompany him.
419
00:40:25,112 --> 00:40:28,218
They were in effect the ransom.
420
00:40:33,983 --> 00:40:36,192
[ROBB]:
Gerda wasn't one of those people
421
00:40:36,226 --> 00:40:37,745
who you would notice.
422
00:40:38,712 --> 00:40:40,886
She stayed very much
in the background.
423
00:40:42,923 --> 00:40:44,925
Very quiet, very reserved.
424
00:40:46,582 --> 00:40:48,169
Spent a lot of time with
her little boy
425
00:40:48,204 --> 00:40:49,895
at the race meetings, obviously.
426
00:40:51,103 --> 00:40:52,967
She was devoted to Ernst.
427
00:40:56,108 --> 00:40:58,110
[OLAF]: My mother is
a strong personality.
428
00:40:59,042 --> 00:41:02,011
She would influence you
that you do it
429
00:41:02,045 --> 00:41:05,221
without her telling you to do.
430
00:41:06,533 --> 00:41:08,535
She was putting pressure on him
431
00:41:08,569 --> 00:41:11,261
when they saw that
the wall was going up.
432
00:41:11,296 --> 00:41:16,197
Then she, she thought
it is time now to go.
433
00:41:17,854 --> 00:41:19,546
My father also wanted to go
434
00:41:19,580 --> 00:41:21,237
but I think my mother
was pushing.
435
00:41:25,931 --> 00:41:28,140
[ERNST]: The western side
is completely closed.
436
00:41:28,865 --> 00:41:33,525
Nobody is able to go over to
West Berlin or West Germany
437
00:41:34,181 --> 00:41:37,218
and then I had to change
my plan.
438
00:42:01,691 --> 00:42:03,175
I had to concentrate,
439
00:42:03,210 --> 00:42:07,835
not only for raising up to
the end of season for MZ,
440
00:42:07,870 --> 00:42:10,597
but also to bring my family over
441
00:42:10,631 --> 00:42:13,876
and try to leave in the best way
from East Germany
442
00:42:13,910 --> 00:42:16,982
via Sweden
for the Swedish Grand Prix.
443
00:42:17,604 --> 00:42:19,329
The he started to tell me,
444
00:42:19,364 --> 00:42:23,817
"OK, next possibility is
Kristianstad in Sweden."
445
00:42:27,027 --> 00:42:30,824
But at the same time, his wife
and children will be defecting
446
00:42:31,100 --> 00:42:33,274
from Eastern Germany
to Western Germany.
447
00:42:36,968 --> 00:42:40,281
The plan on the defection
Degner told me in detail.
448
00:42:43,146 --> 00:42:45,321
Eastern Germany
exports lots and lots
449
00:42:45,355 --> 00:42:47,944
of large tree trunks.
450
00:42:50,671 --> 00:42:54,399
And there are
special transporter
451
00:42:55,055 --> 00:42:57,747
and in the centre,
there's a small cavity
452
00:42:57,782 --> 00:42:59,991
that was made
which is not accessible
453
00:43:00,025 --> 00:43:01,268
through the outside.
454
00:43:01,475 --> 00:43:03,753
And his wife and sons
are supposed to be inside.
455
00:43:05,824 --> 00:43:07,101
[FUNDER]:
That had to be
456
00:43:07,136 --> 00:43:10,449
an absolutely secret operation.
457
00:43:10,484 --> 00:43:13,349
Or you could be in prison
just for planning it.
458
00:43:19,458 --> 00:43:21,150
The risks were enormous.
459
00:43:21,184 --> 00:43:24,084
If Gerda had been caught
trying to defect
460
00:43:24,118 --> 00:43:26,396
the children would be separated
from their parents.
461
00:43:27,121 --> 00:43:29,468
They were put into
state institutions
462
00:43:29,503 --> 00:43:31,816
and often they were adopted
463
00:43:31,850 --> 00:43:37,822
by leading SED, Communist Party
or Stasi cadre.
464
00:43:38,754 --> 00:43:44,414
And then brought up as
good model socialist citizens.
465
00:43:46,485 --> 00:43:48,764
[OLAF]:
The border was pretty drastic.
466
00:43:49,523 --> 00:43:53,354
They didn't want people
going out or coming in.
467
00:43:55,529 --> 00:43:57,496
[ROBB]: From West Germany
to East Germany
468
00:43:57,531 --> 00:43:59,395
we had to go through guards
469
00:43:59,429 --> 00:44:01,086
with sub machine guns
470
00:44:01,121 --> 00:44:04,331
sticking the machine gun through
the window to question you.
471
00:44:04,365 --> 00:44:05,919
When you looked out
the other window
472
00:44:05,953 --> 00:44:08,059
there was a gunning tower
473
00:44:08,093 --> 00:44:11,200
with a machine gun watching
all the traffic coming in.
474
00:44:11,441 --> 00:44:12,960
[FUNDER]:
If you were in a vehicle
475
00:44:12,995 --> 00:44:14,410
there would be a check
476
00:44:14,444 --> 00:44:16,757
underneath the car
with a mirror.
477
00:44:17,482 --> 00:44:19,898
They would check the boot
for its contents
478
00:44:19,933 --> 00:44:22,763
and also take out the bottom
of the boot to check
479
00:44:22,798 --> 00:44:25,421
there were no people lying
in secret compartments.
480
00:44:26,525 --> 00:44:29,770
[OLAF]:
There was a massive place.
481
00:44:29,805 --> 00:44:33,463
One control. Second control.
Third control.
482
00:44:36,190 --> 00:44:37,295
It was pretty scary.
483
00:44:41,264 --> 00:44:45,441
[KRAFT]:
484
00:44:45,924 --> 00:44:48,306
Of course the elections were
utterly sham.
485
00:44:48,340 --> 00:44:49,997
There was only one party.
486
00:44:50,032 --> 00:44:54,899
The so-called opposition parties
were fictions or fronts.
487
00:44:54,933 --> 00:44:59,213
And the ruling SED Party
won every election
488
00:44:59,593 --> 00:45:03,148
with margins of about
98, 99 percent.
489
00:45:05,772 --> 00:45:07,463
[KRAFT]:
490
00:45:38,805 --> 00:45:40,565
[OLAF]:
We drove from Berlin
491
00:45:40,599 --> 00:45:43,464
towards the West German border.
492
00:45:45,432 --> 00:45:47,537
Stopped somewhere
at a parking place.
493
00:45:50,989 --> 00:45:53,440
[ERNST]: I brought them to
a special place
494
00:45:53,474 --> 00:45:56,788
where they had to change over
to the other car.
495
00:46:19,500 --> 00:46:22,020
I went back to Stralsund
496
00:46:22,055 --> 00:46:25,196
which is the point
where the ferry went to Sweden.
497
00:46:29,303 --> 00:46:31,064
He had this race in Sweden.
498
00:46:33,342 --> 00:46:35,275
It was all part of the plan.
499
00:46:54,466 --> 00:46:59,955
[MATSUMIYA]: I hired a car
and drove to Kristianstad.
500
00:47:03,924 --> 00:47:07,134
I went to the hotel where MZ
was also staying.
501
00:47:14,038 --> 00:47:18,387
[ERNST]: We stayed all
in one hotel, the MZ people
502
00:47:18,974 --> 00:47:21,977
and I took a single bedroom.
503
00:47:42,342 --> 00:47:44,378
I waited for, for their call.
504
00:47:45,379 --> 00:47:46,967
If they wouldn't have crossed,
505
00:47:47,002 --> 00:47:48,589
I wouldn't have moved
from Sweden.
506
00:47:52,973 --> 00:47:56,183
[OLAF]: We took tranquilisers
so that we would be calm.
507
00:47:58,599 --> 00:48:01,223
My brother was a small baby
and I was two.
508
00:48:44,576 --> 00:48:47,925
[GERMAN VOICES]
509
00:48:53,620 --> 00:48:55,208
[BARKING GUARD DOGS]
510
00:49:11,638 --> 00:49:13,502
[ENGINE STARTS]
511
00:49:34,419 --> 00:49:35,627
[TELEPHONE RINGS]
512
00:49:39,631 --> 00:49:43,704
[MATSUMIYA]:
That actual information he got
513
00:49:43,739 --> 00:49:47,260
that his family managed
to cross over the border
514
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:51,609
was given to him
before he started racing.
515
00:50:12,768 --> 00:50:15,357
That's when he knew
now he can defect,
516
00:50:15,391 --> 00:50:18,360
because his family
is already in the safe side.
517
00:50:24,745 --> 00:50:26,264
There's no more going back,
518
00:50:26,299 --> 00:50:28,197
because when he
goes back, he'll be caught.
519
00:50:28,232 --> 00:50:29,647
His wife is no longer there.
520
00:50:29,888 --> 00:50:31,442
He has to go one way or another.
521
00:50:34,169 --> 00:50:37,413
I give him my key
of my hired car.
522
00:51:11,551 --> 00:51:15,589
[KRAFT]:
523
00:51:20,353 --> 00:51:22,286
[WALKER]: He was going to be
world champion
524
00:51:22,596 --> 00:51:24,288
and he was going to be
world champion
525
00:51:24,322 --> 00:51:25,289
for East Germany!
526
00:51:28,533 --> 00:51:32,123
[KRAFT]:
527
00:51:49,692 --> 00:51:51,108
[ROAR OF MOTORBIKES]
528
00:51:54,973 --> 00:51:57,217
[WALKER]: He took full advantage
of the performance
529
00:51:57,252 --> 00:51:58,563
of his MZ bike
530
00:51:58,598 --> 00:52:01,290
and got light years ahead
of everybody else.
531
00:52:03,982 --> 00:52:06,157
[MATSUMIYA]: He was very fast,
placed number one.
532
00:52:07,848 --> 00:52:09,747
[WALKER]: The eyes of the world
were on him.
533
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:12,646
So the mental pressure on him
534
00:52:12,681 --> 00:52:15,132
must have been
absolutely gigantic.
535
00:52:16,409 --> 00:52:17,996
[OLAF]: In Sweden,
he would have liked
536
00:52:18,031 --> 00:52:19,791
to win the world champion,
537
00:52:19,826 --> 00:52:21,897
but on the other hand
it would have been
538
00:52:21,931 --> 00:52:23,795
even more difficult to escape.
539
00:52:25,659 --> 00:52:27,144
[ROAR OF MOTORBIKE]
540
00:52:31,700 --> 00:52:34,979
[KAADEN]:
541
00:52:47,750 --> 00:52:49,856
[COMMENTATOR]:
The last lap, the last corner,
542
00:52:51,547 --> 00:52:55,310
the first gear jumped out
and the engine quickly overran.
543
00:52:57,967 --> 00:53:00,867
And the chains were broken,
and that was it.
544
00:53:27,790 --> 00:53:29,344
When I want to do something
545
00:53:30,310 --> 00:53:31,622
and I want to achieve
something...
546
00:53:32,830 --> 00:53:33,900
I will do anything.
547
00:53:37,421 --> 00:53:39,526
I think after so many years,
50 years,
548
00:53:39,561 --> 00:53:40,976
I'm sure it's OK
to say it now...
549
00:53:42,288 --> 00:53:44,221
he over-revved intentionally.
550
00:53:45,463 --> 00:53:48,846
And machine seized over,
broken down.
551
00:53:52,574 --> 00:53:53,851
If he'd won the race
552
00:53:54,817 --> 00:53:57,993
he was gonna be involved
in the podium,
553
00:53:58,027 --> 00:53:59,995
getting the adulation
of the crowd,
554
00:54:00,029 --> 00:54:01,617
being interviewed.
555
00:54:01,652 --> 00:54:04,068
And, most important of all,
556
00:54:04,102 --> 00:54:07,865
having his Stasi minder
or minders
557
00:54:08,555 --> 00:54:10,592
within controlling reach of him.
558
00:54:47,905 --> 00:54:51,702
[MATSUMIYA]: He had key of
my hired car.
559
00:54:52,979 --> 00:54:54,739
So he drove straight away.
560
00:55:03,610 --> 00:55:04,922
[OMINOUS MUSIC]
561
00:55:05,785 --> 00:55:08,822
[ROBB]: The secrecy they must've
lived in that week
562
00:55:08,857 --> 00:55:10,755
because we were there
with them all.
563
00:55:11,860 --> 00:55:13,413
We knew nothing of it.
564
00:55:15,070 --> 00:55:19,108
[WALKER]: He disappeared.
It was absolutely mind blowing.
565
00:55:21,870 --> 00:55:23,941
[MATSUMIYA]: After racing,
a few hours later...
566
00:55:25,943 --> 00:55:27,634
everybody said,
"Where's Degner?"
567
00:55:28,773 --> 00:55:31,673
So I said, "Maybe Degner
has gone back to his room
568
00:55:31,707 --> 00:55:33,122
and is sleeping
or something like that
569
00:55:34,572 --> 00:55:37,506
because he must be
very depressed
570
00:55:37,541 --> 00:55:41,096
by not scoring
the world champion, the title.
571
00:55:50,070 --> 00:55:51,762
[OLD FASHIONED TYPEWRITER]
572
00:56:00,874 --> 00:56:02,807
I was hanging round
until midnight.
573
00:56:10,884 --> 00:56:12,783
So I was drinking, drinking...
574
00:56:12,817 --> 00:56:16,062
and the MZ people are drinking,
drinking, drinking.
575
00:56:17,926 --> 00:56:20,549
Degner's car was there in front
of bar!
576
00:56:21,895 --> 00:56:24,001
So nobody suspected
577
00:56:24,035 --> 00:56:25,623
I had something to do
with Degner,
578
00:56:25,658 --> 00:56:27,418
because Degner's car is there.
579
00:56:27,453 --> 00:56:29,731
And nobody's thinking
Degner's driving my car.
580
00:56:45,678 --> 00:56:48,750
And after everything's getting
quieter,
581
00:56:48,784 --> 00:56:51,166
I left with Degner's car.
582
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:56,930
My heart is beating.
583
00:57:04,524 --> 00:57:07,458
It's a dark night.
I started, gone.
584
00:57:21,023 --> 00:57:24,441
[WALKER]: For Degner to give up
the world championship
585
00:57:24,682 --> 00:57:26,719
must have been
an enormous sacrifice.
586
00:57:28,099 --> 00:57:31,586
But it showed that his wife
and children, his family
587
00:57:31,620 --> 00:57:33,898
were more important than
588
00:57:33,933 --> 00:57:37,246
his craft, his calling,
his living, motorcycle racing.
589
00:58:04,584 --> 00:58:06,586
[MATSUMIYA]:
I met him in Denmark.
590
00:58:11,798 --> 00:58:15,181
The ferry boat was about to
set sail.
591
00:58:17,045 --> 00:58:18,495
I said goodbye to him.
592
00:58:20,393 --> 00:58:21,636
When he left...
593
00:58:23,016 --> 00:58:25,709
on the ferry
towards Western Germany...
594
00:58:31,611 --> 00:58:32,888
he's a defector.
595
00:58:35,028 --> 00:58:37,203
And from that time onward,
596
00:58:37,237 --> 00:58:39,239
Degner was free
to go anywhere else.
597
00:58:43,658 --> 00:58:44,762
He was happy.
598
00:59:15,655 --> 00:59:17,208
[OLD-FASHIONED TYPEWRITER]
599
00:59:25,078 --> 00:59:29,669
Everybody's down for breakfast
and Kaaden comes up to Frank
600
00:59:29,704 --> 00:59:32,569
and he says, "Have you seen
Ernst this morning?"
601
00:59:32,948 --> 00:59:35,123
And Frank said, "No."
Which is true, Frank hadn't.
602
00:59:35,157 --> 00:59:37,919
I mean, we've been to bed
603
00:59:37,953 --> 00:59:40,404
and we didn't know anything
of what was going on.
604
00:59:40,438 --> 00:59:42,924
He was like a chicken
with his head cut off.
605
00:59:43,649 --> 00:59:45,409
[OLD-FASHIONED TYPEWRITER]
606
00:59:51,726 --> 00:59:53,279
[OLD-FASHIONED TYPEWRITER]
607
01:00:18,684 --> 01:00:20,927
[ROBB]: Can you imagine
Kaaden's feelings...
608
01:00:22,101 --> 01:00:25,345
when the whole story
eventually came out
609
01:00:25,380 --> 01:00:28,314
when he found what had happened.
610
01:00:28,348 --> 01:00:31,041
That all his secrets were going,
you know?
611
01:00:32,111 --> 01:00:34,458
[PERRIS]: It must have been
devastating for him, of course.
612
01:00:47,126 --> 01:00:51,233
[KRAFT]:
613
01:02:07,447 --> 01:02:11,451
We know the consequences for him
going back without Ernst
614
01:02:11,969 --> 01:02:15,214
would be totally unacceptable.
615
01:02:15,455 --> 01:02:16,974
"You didn't look after him.
616
01:02:17,009 --> 01:02:18,320
You should've brought
him back."
617
01:02:53,183 --> 01:02:55,772
[PERRIS]: And everybody said
he treated him like a son
618
01:02:55,979 --> 01:02:57,946
and you do everything for them,
don't you?
619
01:02:59,120 --> 01:03:01,501
He taught him everything
that Ernst knew.
620
01:03:03,296 --> 01:03:05,609
And that would have hurt
when Ernst went.
621
01:03:08,232 --> 01:03:09,440
Would have hurt a lot.
622
01:03:22,177 --> 01:03:26,216
[KAADEN]:
623
01:03:58,213 --> 01:04:04,185
After Degner left,
it was very bad for us.
624
01:04:04,219 --> 01:04:06,843
We had no help
from the government.
625
01:04:07,636 --> 01:04:11,675
Government was not interested
to have motorcycle sport.
626
01:04:23,204 --> 01:04:24,964
[OLAF]:
I admire what they did,
627
01:04:24,999 --> 01:04:27,656
because at this time
it was quite a thing.
628
01:04:34,146 --> 01:04:37,528
It takes a lot of courage
to have the decision to defect,
629
01:04:38,322 --> 01:04:39,910
because it was so dangerous.
630
01:04:42,326 --> 01:04:45,674
[ARCHIVE INTERVIEWER]:
631
01:05:59,127 --> 01:06:02,303
The official line
by the SED government
632
01:06:02,337 --> 01:06:03,683
and by the Stasi
633
01:06:03,718 --> 01:06:05,375
would have been - it's a crime.
634
01:06:11,243 --> 01:06:15,178
You are leaving us.
You are going over to the enemy.
635
01:06:15,212 --> 01:06:16,800
The air of the fascist state.
636
01:06:18,112 --> 01:06:19,699
-Daddy!
-Aah!
637
01:06:21,046 --> 01:06:23,772
[OLAF]: I remember them,
these Japanese people
638
01:06:23,807 --> 01:06:25,153
were coming to our house.
639
01:06:26,568 --> 01:06:28,156
They met up with my father.
640
01:06:29,364 --> 01:06:32,712
It could be that these were
the people from Suzuki
641
01:06:32,747 --> 01:06:35,612
that just wanted to make
a contract with him.
642
01:06:52,387 --> 01:06:55,632
[WALKER]: He goes to Japan,
a foreign country.
643
01:06:55,666 --> 01:06:59,015
And not just a foreign country,
a totally foreign culture.
644
01:07:05,228 --> 01:07:08,334
And he goes from
a starvation level
645
01:07:08,369 --> 01:07:10,888
in terms of facilities
to develop the bike
646
01:07:10,923 --> 01:07:13,132
that he had at MZ to...
647
01:07:13,167 --> 01:07:16,377
you name it, and you can have it
with Suzuki.
648
01:07:16,411 --> 01:07:20,070
Because Suzuki was a big company
and they wanted success
649
01:07:20,622 --> 01:07:23,591
and they'd got all the money
and facilities that he needed.
650
01:07:36,224 --> 01:07:38,088
[WALKER]:
He works over the winter
651
01:07:38,951 --> 01:07:41,471
in those circumstances,
and develops a bike.
652
01:07:42,748 --> 01:07:44,888
[ERNST]: I'm just making
the final touches
653
01:07:44,922 --> 01:07:46,821
to finish the first cylinder
654
01:07:47,442 --> 01:07:49,272
ever I have done for Suzuki.
655
01:07:50,169 --> 01:07:53,069
When Mr Okana saw that cylinder,
656
01:07:53,862 --> 01:07:56,451
he rushed to Mr Suzuki
to show him.
657
01:07:57,176 --> 01:07:59,420
And they looked at it and, well,
658
01:07:59,454 --> 01:08:06,910
they have seen
what I was able to do.
659
01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:10,362
[WALKER]: And the Japanese
were not stupid.
660
01:08:10,396 --> 01:08:12,226
They only needed a lead
661
01:08:12,260 --> 01:08:15,781
from a knowledgeable,
intelligent, experienced
662
01:08:15,815 --> 01:08:18,197
and successful chap like Degner
663
01:08:18,818 --> 01:08:20,406
to pick that up and go with it.
664
01:08:25,411 --> 01:08:27,551
[ANDERSON]: Once Ernst brought
the knowledge out
665
01:08:27,586 --> 01:08:29,795
and Suzuki gained that,
666
01:08:30,623 --> 01:08:33,316
the MZ's then didn't have
a chance, really.
667
01:09:04,312 --> 01:09:07,246
He had everything
in his head. Yeah?
668
01:09:07,281 --> 01:09:10,698
He didn't have to take
any papers.
669
01:09:10,974 --> 01:09:17,256
It was all... They had part
of the development of the MZ.
670
01:09:26,886 --> 01:09:29,682
[RHYTHMIC MUSIC]
671
01:09:35,274 --> 01:09:36,862
[COMMENTATOR]:
Degner was the favourite
672
01:09:36,896 --> 01:09:39,761
for Friday's two-lap,
76.5 mile race.
673
01:10:00,057 --> 01:10:03,958
Right from the fall of the flag,
Degner rode like a man inspired.
674
01:10:12,518 --> 01:10:14,348
Degner had increased his lead.
675
01:10:15,314 --> 01:10:17,420
The last lap was a scorcher.
676
01:10:26,946 --> 01:10:28,258
[COMMENTATOR 2]:
Degner of Suzuki
677
01:10:28,293 --> 01:10:29,466
has beaten his competitors
678
01:10:29,501 --> 01:10:31,606
and broken the 30 minute
lap record.
679
01:10:31,779 --> 01:10:34,816
The winner is Suzuki's Degner
of Japan.
680
01:10:34,851 --> 01:10:38,234
Ito, Ichino and Suzuki
have also won prizes.
681
01:10:38,648 --> 01:10:40,926
All of the Suzuki team
are winners.
682
01:10:41,409 --> 01:10:43,963
[KRAFT]:
683
01:10:49,693 --> 01:10:53,283
And it's a mark incidentally
of not only his ability
684
01:10:53,318 --> 01:10:56,010
and his acumen as an engineer,
685
01:10:56,735 --> 01:10:59,082
but his skill and brilliance
as a rider.
686
01:11:01,740 --> 01:11:04,881
[MILITARY DRUMBEAT MUSIC]
687
01:11:06,054 --> 01:11:08,643
[ARCHIVE REPORTER]: Suzuki has
gained the championship
688
01:11:08,678 --> 01:11:10,990
with an unbelievable
maximum record speed
689
01:11:11,025 --> 01:11:13,855
of 144.84 kilometres per hour.
690
01:11:14,753 --> 01:11:17,618
These outstanding records
have brought glory,
691
01:11:17,652 --> 01:11:19,999
not only to
Suzuki Motor Company,
692
01:11:20,034 --> 01:11:22,070
but have also made
a deep impression
693
01:11:22,105 --> 01:11:23,796
in business circles
throughout the world.
694
01:11:24,452 --> 01:11:27,006
Increasing Japanese
foreign trade.
695
01:11:30,734 --> 01:11:32,011
[MATSUMIYA]:
We were the fastest.
696
01:11:34,151 --> 01:11:36,395
And in the end,
when we won that race,
697
01:11:36,430 --> 01:11:38,915
I cried. It was fantastic.
698
01:11:41,573 --> 01:11:42,850
At long last, we won.
699
01:11:48,027 --> 01:11:53,378
We Japanese. Every Japanese.
We want to be equal to Europe.
700
01:11:54,206 --> 01:11:57,899
This is how we are
so strongly motivated.
701
01:11:59,591 --> 01:12:02,939
[ERNST]: I was the first guy
who ever won
702
01:12:02,973 --> 01:12:05,666
the Isle of Man
on a Japanese motorcycle.
703
01:12:10,153 --> 01:12:12,604
I can remember that
there was a good prize.
704
01:12:12,638 --> 01:12:14,399
He got a Mercedes.
705
01:12:14,709 --> 01:12:22,165
There was his brand new white
convertible Mercedes, lit up.
706
01:12:22,821 --> 01:12:24,478
And this was the prize.
707
01:12:26,618 --> 01:12:28,516
So the whole neighbourhood came.
708
01:12:28,930 --> 01:12:31,519
Because at this time,
709
01:12:31,554 --> 01:12:33,970
to have a Mercedes
was something very special.
710
01:12:36,559 --> 01:12:39,907
Maybe. Anybody's life.
711
01:12:39,941 --> 01:12:42,081
Must, you must do
something crazy.
712
01:12:47,259 --> 01:12:50,227
[OLAF]: Suzuki never did
anything good
713
01:12:50,262 --> 01:12:53,092
or was big enough to compete.
714
01:12:53,127 --> 01:12:56,889
And from one year to the other
with my father's help,
715
01:12:56,924 --> 01:12:59,616
they were at the top.
Yeah, for years.
716
01:13:11,041 --> 01:13:13,112
[OLAF]:
He was a friendly man
717
01:13:13,803 --> 01:13:16,115
and he got friends in Japan.
718
01:13:19,222 --> 01:13:22,501
He immediately started to learn
a little bit of Japanese.
719
01:13:23,295 --> 01:13:24,952
Spoke a few words.
720
01:13:24,986 --> 01:13:28,162
And so he could communicate
with them. Not only in English.
721
01:13:28,611 --> 01:13:30,475
And I think that made also
a big difference.
722
01:13:33,098 --> 01:13:34,789
For Suzuki he was a hero.
723
01:13:35,790 --> 01:13:41,451
And I think Suzuki was
a very big part of his life.
724
01:13:56,604 --> 01:13:58,088
[ROBB]:
Speed is something that...
725
01:13:59,193 --> 01:14:02,438
once you've sampled it once,
you want more of it.
726
01:14:05,889 --> 01:14:07,684
It's an addiction that you can't
give up.
727
01:14:14,726 --> 01:14:17,245
In the '60s,
we were probably losing...
728
01:14:18,108 --> 01:14:19,455
a rider every couple
of months.
729
01:14:28,567 --> 01:14:30,155
[WALKER]:
He gets to Suzuka...
730
01:14:32,191 --> 01:14:34,987
and crashed
at a double right hander.
731
01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:39,267
[ERNST]:
I had a very bad start
732
01:14:39,682 --> 01:14:42,685
and I had to risk a lot
in the first lap
733
01:14:42,719 --> 01:14:44,065
to get the connection
to the top.
734
01:14:46,378 --> 01:14:50,071
And it was on the second corner
I went off the line
735
01:14:50,106 --> 01:14:52,660
and I hit with my head,
I hit the ground.
736
01:14:55,698 --> 01:14:58,735
Your first instinct
if you're a motorcycle racer
737
01:14:58,770 --> 01:15:00,047
or a car racer
738
01:15:00,081 --> 01:15:02,636
and you go off the course,
is to rejoin it.
739
01:15:03,257 --> 01:15:06,916
You are taking part in the race
against your rivals
740
01:15:06,950 --> 01:15:08,365
because you want to beat them.
741
01:15:08,400 --> 01:15:09,850
You want to win.
742
01:15:09,884 --> 01:15:12,853
That's the thing that's driving
you all the time.
743
01:15:14,371 --> 01:15:16,235
[ERNST]:
So I run up to the bike.
744
01:15:16,270 --> 01:15:17,754
I wanted to pick it up
745
01:15:17,996 --> 01:15:20,930
but the motorcycle
inside the cover
746
01:15:20,964 --> 01:15:24,865
it was burning
but I didn't see it.
747
01:15:24,899 --> 01:15:27,074
But when I start to pick up
the motorbike,
748
01:15:27,108 --> 01:15:28,627
then I went unconscious.
749
01:15:28,662 --> 01:15:31,837
And then a big flame
sprang into the tank.
750
01:15:31,872 --> 01:15:34,288
The tank exploded
and that was the end.
751
01:15:35,876 --> 01:15:37,878
[PERRIS]: For Frank, that was
the worst thing
752
01:15:37,912 --> 01:15:39,017
that he's ever seen.
753
01:15:40,087 --> 01:15:42,814
And so luckily the Japanese chap
came over
754
01:15:42,848 --> 01:15:46,162
and the two of them pulled Ernst
out of the fire.
755
01:15:58,001 --> 01:16:01,798
All he could remember is
Ernst's face bubbling.
756
01:16:02,868 --> 01:16:04,905
Yeah, it was burning away,
bubbling away.
757
01:16:07,666 --> 01:16:10,151
He was very, very badly burnt
758
01:16:10,773 --> 01:16:14,362
and had umpteen operations
subsequently
759
01:16:15,156 --> 01:16:18,850
and was never the same again
physically or mentally.
760
01:16:20,886 --> 01:16:22,025
[ROARING FLAMES]
761
01:16:24,959 --> 01:16:31,656
The transplants were sometimes
accepted in a good state
762
01:16:32,380 --> 01:16:36,453
and sometimes the skin
from somewhere else,
763
01:16:36,488 --> 01:16:38,110
I think from the back,
764
01:16:38,145 --> 01:16:41,182
didn't get accepted in the face
765
01:16:41,217 --> 01:16:45,359
and it was hard, for one year
766
01:16:45,773 --> 01:16:50,364
he was in the hospital
to recover.
767
01:16:53,229 --> 01:16:56,750
[KRAFT]:
768
01:17:13,767 --> 01:17:16,666
[OLAF]:
We moved to visit him every day.
769
01:17:16,701 --> 01:17:19,151
As a 3 or 4-year-old child
770
01:17:19,186 --> 01:17:21,291
I had to go every day
to the hospital
771
01:17:21,326 --> 01:17:22,707
to visit my father.
772
01:17:28,229 --> 01:17:32,302
He doesn't have the perfect face
for perfectionists anymore.
773
01:17:35,133 --> 01:17:36,479
He never got over this.
774
01:17:38,757 --> 01:17:41,173
And no wonder why
depression came.
775
01:17:41,898 --> 01:17:44,038
And with depression comes
everything else, yeah?
776
01:17:44,521 --> 01:17:50,493
Somehow you get hooked on drugs
cos you can't help it anymore
777
01:17:50,527 --> 01:17:53,807
or whatever and you go deeper
and deeper and deeper.
778
01:17:56,050 --> 01:17:58,881
From then on,
although Degner won races,
779
01:17:59,813 --> 01:18:02,678
basically his life
went downhill.
780
01:18:12,032 --> 01:18:15,414
[OLAF]: The competition is big.
Young drivers are coming up.
781
01:18:15,932 --> 01:18:19,487
So you have to push
right to the limit,
782
01:18:19,522 --> 01:18:22,076
and he had so many accidents.
783
01:18:23,250 --> 01:18:25,079
He broke his arm...
784
01:18:26,322 --> 01:18:28,048
I think 12 times.
785
01:18:28,082 --> 01:18:31,292
He showed me X-rays,
so it was a mesh
786
01:18:32,293 --> 01:18:35,745
and he was saying they were
putting some metal pieces inside
787
01:18:35,780 --> 01:18:37,402
to keep them straight
788
01:18:37,436 --> 01:18:39,749
and this must have hurt
all the time.
789
01:18:41,061 --> 01:18:42,890
[PERRIS]: Things didn't work
so well for Ernst
790
01:18:42,925 --> 01:18:44,409
with the bikes.
791
01:18:44,443 --> 01:18:46,963
You know, he was riding
and it wasn't as good
792
01:18:46,998 --> 01:18:48,793
like he used to feel,
793
01:18:48,827 --> 01:18:50,553
you know, and all that
sort of thing,
794
01:18:50,587 --> 01:18:53,556
he's always not quite as happy.
795
01:18:58,975 --> 01:19:02,254
He accused Gerda of looking at
other men all the time.
796
01:19:02,289 --> 01:19:04,256
This is what broke up
their marriage,
797
01:19:04,291 --> 01:19:07,501
because he then felt
so insecure.
798
01:19:07,881 --> 01:19:10,504
You know, he's no longer
good-looking
799
01:19:10,538 --> 01:19:12,782
so, you know, she's not...
800
01:19:12,817 --> 01:19:15,543
And it was the opposite.
She would do anything for him.
801
01:19:21,377 --> 01:19:25,450
[OLAF]: She was always with us.
For her, the family came first.
802
01:19:27,279 --> 01:19:31,214
But I could see that my parents
start to separate
803
01:19:31,249 --> 01:19:32,595
more and more and more.
804
01:19:33,423 --> 01:19:36,254
And my mother was
lacking quite a bit
805
01:19:36,288 --> 01:19:39,188
of him being away all the time.
806
01:19:40,189 --> 01:19:46,782
This I think was sometimes
really hard on her.
807
01:19:51,131 --> 01:19:54,099
He was mostly of racing,
I have to say.
808
01:19:55,894 --> 01:19:57,171
Yeah?
809
01:19:57,206 --> 01:20:00,209
It went to the point that
his own dog
810
01:20:00,243 --> 01:20:02,832
didn't recognise him
and was barking at him
811
01:20:02,867 --> 01:20:04,247
when he came home.
812
01:20:12,600 --> 01:20:14,499
He had a very tough childhood.
813
01:20:19,055 --> 01:20:23,197
And this is why probably
he was missing this,
814
01:20:23,957 --> 01:20:28,616
holding together
family part. Yeah?
815
01:20:33,104 --> 01:20:35,106
[ANDERSON]:
Nothing seemed to go his way.
816
01:20:35,554 --> 01:20:38,212
He retained his place in
the team for another year,
817
01:20:38,247 --> 01:20:40,387
but the following year,
he was dropped.
818
01:20:41,388 --> 01:20:43,873
Because he wasn't riding well
enough.
819
01:20:44,632 --> 01:20:46,496
They didn't need his knowledge
anymore.
820
01:20:47,635 --> 01:20:49,051
Income was shrivelling up.
821
01:20:49,085 --> 01:20:51,260
The relationship with
Gerda and Ernst
822
01:20:51,294 --> 01:20:52,537
had sort of gone.
823
01:20:53,710 --> 01:20:54,919
So he left.
824
01:21:10,486 --> 01:21:13,420
[OLAF]: At this time I saw my
father less and less and less.
825
01:21:16,526 --> 01:21:18,632
He had his life
and we had our life.
826
01:21:20,323 --> 01:21:24,534
And there was always
a big gap in between.
827
01:21:25,328 --> 01:21:26,398
For years.
828
01:21:58,637 --> 01:22:01,468
[GENTLE SPANISH GUITAR MUSIC]
829
01:22:11,478 --> 01:22:14,412
He left Suzuki
and he ended up in...
830
01:22:15,068 --> 01:22:17,587
doing all sorts of odd jobs
831
01:22:17,622 --> 01:22:20,694
including running
a garage in Tenerife,
832
01:22:20,728 --> 01:22:21,591
I think it was.
833
01:22:28,081 --> 01:22:30,290
[OLAF]: After he spent
almost everything
834
01:22:30,324 --> 01:22:33,569
he earned in his racing career,
835
01:22:33,603 --> 01:22:36,020
there was still some money
left over.
836
01:22:36,054 --> 01:22:40,576
And so he tried to find
a business he could do
837
01:22:40,610 --> 01:22:44,683
so that would give him
some money easily.
838
01:22:47,238 --> 01:22:49,792
And there were
some friends there
839
01:22:49,826 --> 01:22:51,725
wanted to sell rent-a-car.
840
01:22:53,278 --> 01:22:55,729
In the beginning he thought
it's a good idea.
841
01:22:56,695 --> 01:23:00,561
He bought it
and he tried to work it
842
01:23:00,596 --> 01:23:02,978
but he could see that this
is not his business.
843
01:23:03,668 --> 01:23:04,807
His business was racing.
844
01:23:09,812 --> 01:23:16,094
And as he never had a real
good contact to us later on,
845
01:23:16,129 --> 01:23:19,339
we also didn't
know his state.
846
01:23:20,650 --> 01:23:22,169
Yeah?
847
01:23:22,204 --> 01:23:24,758
Because he was also
a good actor.
848
01:23:25,241 --> 01:23:28,072
Acting nicely to everybody else,
849
01:23:28,106 --> 01:23:31,385
but then pulled back
to be on his own.
850
01:23:34,492 --> 01:23:36,666
[GENTLE MUSIC]
851
01:23:46,435 --> 01:23:49,817
I have to say, he never asked
the family to help him.
852
01:23:54,201 --> 01:23:58,309
I don't know why.
Maybe he didn't trust us.
853
01:24:00,690 --> 01:24:02,727
Maybe he thought
we couldn't help him.
854
01:24:04,763 --> 01:24:06,489
He wanted to go his way.
855
01:24:13,427 --> 01:24:15,153
He wanted to do it
all by himself.
856
01:24:29,685 --> 01:24:31,238
He stayed in this apartment
857
01:24:31,273 --> 01:24:33,827
and we got these calls
858
01:24:33,861 --> 01:24:36,657
that he can't control
his medicine
859
01:24:36,933 --> 01:24:40,937
and it is better when
somebody is coming
860
01:24:40,972 --> 01:24:43,181
to check what he's doing.
861
01:24:43,906 --> 01:24:48,152
And as my mother was working
and my brother as well
862
01:24:48,393 --> 01:24:54,641
and I was a student and
I had holidays in the summer,
863
01:24:55,159 --> 01:25:00,681
it was me who got sent out
to see how he is.
864
01:25:03,167 --> 01:25:04,616
So I came here
865
01:25:04,651 --> 01:25:07,861
and all I found
was a dead body.
866
01:25:10,450 --> 01:25:11,451
I came too late.
867
01:25:29,641 --> 01:25:32,713
[GENTLE MUSIC THROUGHOUT]
868
01:26:35,259 --> 01:26:36,501
[MUSIC]
869
01:26:36,915 --> 01:26:39,401
[WALKER]: I think it's
pretty fair to say that
870
01:26:39,435 --> 01:26:42,231
if Degner hadn't defected
871
01:26:42,611 --> 01:26:44,716
and taken his knowledge
to Suzuki,
872
01:26:44,751 --> 01:26:49,307
as a result of which they were
able to achieve racing success
873
01:26:49,963 --> 01:26:52,724
that it dramatically affected
874
01:26:52,759 --> 01:26:55,727
the whole worldwide
motorcycle industry.
62465
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