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Didn't register. 6 00:01:12,900 --> 00:01:15,109 It is absolutely another world. 7 00:01:17,905 --> 00:01:19,872 The concentration levels are so high 8 00:01:19,907 --> 00:01:22,323 it's a sort of spiritual mental state. 9 00:01:23,980 --> 00:01:25,568 Nothing can stop you. 10 00:01:28,916 --> 00:01:32,264 By accepting death, you lose the fear of it. 11 00:01:33,576 --> 00:01:34,680 That's Grand Prix racing. 12 00:01:43,896 --> 00:01:45,795 [TOMMY ROBB]: Degner was a spectacular rider. 13 00:01:46,451 --> 00:01:47,831 A very, very fast rider. 14 00:01:49,454 --> 00:01:52,146 [LOTHAR REESE]: 15 00:02:00,465 --> 00:02:04,400 [STROMHARDT KRAFT]: 16 00:02:09,025 --> 00:02:11,683 [OLAF DEGNER]: My father was a racing driver. 17 00:02:17,792 --> 00:02:19,208 It was all racing. 18 00:02:23,591 --> 00:02:24,696 This was his life. 19 00:02:34,740 --> 00:02:36,570 He was a star in East Germany... 20 00:02:36,604 --> 00:02:38,503 but he definitely thought 21 00:02:38,537 --> 00:02:40,574 he would get a better life in the West. 22 00:03:42,912 --> 00:03:46,329 [LOADING AND PLAYING AUDIO CASSETTE] 23 00:03:48,952 --> 00:03:53,992 I was born on 22nd September 1931 24 00:03:55,407 --> 00:03:59,273 in Gleiwitz, which is now Poland. 25 00:04:00,757 --> 00:04:03,277 [DISTANT SOUNDS OF WARFARE] 26 00:04:04,140 --> 00:04:08,524 My father died a few days before the end of the war. 27 00:04:08,972 --> 00:04:11,665 And then we had to emigrate from Poland. 28 00:04:18,568 --> 00:04:20,708 [ROCKETS BEING LAUNCHED] 29 00:04:22,020 --> 00:04:25,057 When the Russians were conquering again 30 00:04:25,092 --> 00:04:28,682 parts that Germans had conquered before, 31 00:04:28,716 --> 00:04:29,614 when they came back, 32 00:04:30,511 --> 00:04:33,480 then all these people who were Germans 33 00:04:34,032 --> 00:04:37,311 flew to be saved from the Russian troops, 34 00:04:38,036 --> 00:04:41,660 and there he was also then with his mother 35 00:04:41,695 --> 00:04:44,939 and his sister, fleeing in this track. 36 00:04:52,844 --> 00:04:55,087 [ERNST DEGNER]: We went to East Germany, 37 00:04:55,122 --> 00:04:56,572 settled down there, 38 00:04:56,606 --> 00:04:59,471 then half a year later my mother died 39 00:04:59,506 --> 00:05:03,924 so, I was 14-years-old without any parents. 40 00:05:12,829 --> 00:05:14,417 He'd had a tough upbringing. 41 00:05:14,452 --> 00:05:16,488 I wouldn't have wanted to be an orphan in East Germany 42 00:05:16,523 --> 00:05:17,662 at the end of the war. 43 00:05:17,696 --> 00:05:19,353 It was a shocking place after the war. 44 00:05:19,629 --> 00:05:21,010 Absolutely awful. 45 00:05:25,394 --> 00:05:28,535 All those eastern countries were bombed and bashed 46 00:05:28,569 --> 00:05:30,744 by the Russians and the Germans. 47 00:05:30,778 --> 00:05:32,987 East Germany was just completely trashed. 48 00:05:36,025 --> 00:05:39,787 [OLAF]: I could see that he had a very tough childhood. 49 00:05:40,926 --> 00:05:43,929 His father was extremely strong. 50 00:05:46,484 --> 00:05:50,004 He tried to educate Ernst by beating him. 51 00:05:52,593 --> 00:05:56,977 I think this is a very dark part of his life. 52 00:05:59,738 --> 00:06:01,533 [WARPLANES FLYING OVERHEAD] 53 00:06:01,568 --> 00:06:06,676 From Stettin in the Baltic to Trieste in the Adriatic 54 00:06:07,643 --> 00:06:10,680 an iron curtain has descended across the continent. 55 00:06:10,715 --> 00:06:12,855 [ARCHIVE REPORTER]: Nikita Khrushchev made it clear 56 00:06:12,889 --> 00:06:15,892 he believed the communist world could bury the West. 57 00:06:16,548 --> 00:06:18,757 Even if there were only one communist 58 00:06:18,792 --> 00:06:20,483 in the State Department, 59 00:06:20,518 --> 00:06:22,968 that would still be one communist too many. 60 00:06:23,693 --> 00:06:25,764 [ARCHIVE REPORTER]: The Soviet Union launches Sputnik One 61 00:06:25,799 --> 00:06:28,560 on October 4th 1957. 62 00:06:30,182 --> 00:06:32,771 [TREMENDOUS SOUNDS OF ROCKET LAUNCH] 63 00:06:35,291 --> 00:06:36,879 [ARCHIVE REPORTER]: Two atomic colossi 64 00:06:36,913 --> 00:06:38,881 are doomed malevolently 65 00:06:38,915 --> 00:06:41,953 to eye each other indefinitely across a trembling world. 66 00:06:51,100 --> 00:06:53,067 [ANNA FUNDER]: There was competition at every level. 67 00:06:54,793 --> 00:06:57,589 Eastern bloc athletes competing in the west 68 00:06:57,624 --> 00:07:00,005 was enormously important. 69 00:07:01,490 --> 00:07:05,079 The communist regimes were very intent 70 00:07:05,114 --> 00:07:08,151 on proving that their way of being 71 00:07:08,186 --> 00:07:10,119 and of running things, of running a society 72 00:07:10,153 --> 00:07:12,086 was superior in every way. 73 00:07:27,723 --> 00:07:28,793 [OMINOUS MUSIC] 74 00:07:40,149 --> 00:07:42,151 [MURRAY WALKER]: MZ was an East German 75 00:07:42,185 --> 00:07:44,567 motorcycle racing company. 76 00:07:46,051 --> 00:07:47,536 If you were an East German 77 00:07:47,570 --> 00:07:49,123 you aspired to having a motorcycle 78 00:07:49,158 --> 00:07:51,885 and MZ made those motorcycles. 79 00:08:11,767 --> 00:08:15,115 [ROBB]: Walter Kaaden was an exceptional engineer. 80 00:08:19,775 --> 00:08:24,055 He was probably the person who advanced 2-strokes 81 00:08:24,089 --> 00:08:26,057 faster than anybody else did. 82 00:08:29,301 --> 00:08:31,511 [HAMMER TAPPING] 83 00:08:31,718 --> 00:08:34,168 [NORBERT KAADEN]: 84 00:08:38,725 --> 00:08:39,277 [MUSIC] 85 00:08:59,159 --> 00:09:04,405 [WALKER]: He harnessed the harmonics of the exhaust system, 86 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:06,684 which made the engine a lot more efficient. 87 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:13,207 [KAADEN]: 88 00:09:32,675 --> 00:09:38,681 [KRAFT]: 89 00:09:55,318 --> 00:09:58,252 [ROBB]: It was all done so low-key. 90 00:09:58,287 --> 00:10:00,945 They weren't a monied company. 91 00:10:18,341 --> 00:10:22,035 The materials they used weren't the best materials 92 00:10:22,069 --> 00:10:25,694 because they were limited behind the Iron Curtain in those days. 93 00:10:28,282 --> 00:10:29,905 They looked a bit tinny. 94 00:10:34,841 --> 00:10:41,157 [KRAFT]: 95 00:10:55,931 --> 00:10:59,072 [ROBB]: Ernst I could tell admired Kaaden greatly, 96 00:10:59,106 --> 00:11:00,867 so he did, 97 00:11:00,901 --> 00:11:04,456 but I could also tell that Kaaden admired Degner greatly 98 00:11:04,491 --> 00:11:06,251 because of his ability as a rider. 99 00:11:06,286 --> 00:11:08,115 And of course as an engineer. 100 00:11:11,429 --> 00:11:13,776 When you were watching them together 101 00:11:13,811 --> 00:11:16,883 it was almost like a father and son relationship, 102 00:11:16,917 --> 00:11:18,401 he was that close to him. 103 00:11:23,786 --> 00:11:25,201 [KRAFT]: 104 00:11:36,281 --> 00:11:39,526 [OLAF]: They saw that he is not only a good racer, 105 00:11:40,113 --> 00:11:43,841 he would also be a very big part 106 00:11:43,875 --> 00:11:46,291 of the development of the engines. 107 00:11:48,569 --> 00:11:50,330 [KRAFT]: 108 00:12:13,836 --> 00:12:16,908 [ANDERSON]: The innovation was absolutely incredible. 109 00:12:18,254 --> 00:12:20,325 [ROBB]: They were 2-stroke wizards. 110 00:12:29,576 --> 00:12:31,820 [TROOPS MARCHING] 111 00:12:32,544 --> 00:12:34,270 [TANKS ROLLING] 112 00:12:40,483 --> 00:12:43,590 [FUNDER]: East Germany was a small nation 113 00:12:43,624 --> 00:12:46,593 that came out of the ashes of fascism 114 00:12:46,627 --> 00:12:47,559 and the Second World War 115 00:12:48,871 --> 00:12:52,495 and that was, in theory, trying to create 116 00:12:52,530 --> 00:12:57,604 a fairer non-fascist, non-capitalist world. 117 00:13:00,296 --> 00:13:02,471 But East Germany had... 118 00:13:02,505 --> 00:13:06,440 an extreme system of repression of its own people. 119 00:13:16,899 --> 00:13:19,177 In those days, it was frightening. 120 00:13:19,212 --> 00:13:20,351 Quite brutal. 121 00:13:28,877 --> 00:13:34,572 The GDR was an extraordinarily intrusive 122 00:13:35,124 --> 00:13:37,540 malicious surveillance state. 123 00:13:46,066 --> 00:13:48,379 [WALKER]: There was an organisation called the Stasi 124 00:13:48,413 --> 00:13:50,139 in East Germany, 125 00:13:50,174 --> 00:13:52,314 which was in effect the secret police. 126 00:14:03,325 --> 00:14:07,294 Everybody in East Germany was informing on everybody else 127 00:14:07,329 --> 00:14:10,884 because that was the culture, sadly and tragically, 128 00:14:10,919 --> 00:14:12,058 that existed. 129 00:14:16,441 --> 00:14:19,410 [RITA PERRIS]: "Shut your mouth. Don't speak." 130 00:14:19,444 --> 00:14:20,514 You have to live like a mouse. 131 00:14:21,377 --> 00:14:23,069 You just keep schtum. 132 00:14:26,589 --> 00:14:29,178 [FUNDER]: You could do nothing without being spied on. 133 00:14:29,385 --> 00:14:31,629 You could do nothing without having it reported back 134 00:14:31,663 --> 00:14:33,217 to the government. 135 00:14:33,251 --> 00:14:36,220 They wanted to keep everything literally under control 136 00:14:36,254 --> 00:14:38,567 and everyone under control. 137 00:14:41,950 --> 00:14:45,056 [OLAF]: My father was observed by the Stasi all the time. 138 00:14:46,782 --> 00:14:51,097 If my father was meeting a known or unknown, 139 00:14:51,131 --> 00:14:52,374 some Stasi person, 140 00:14:52,408 --> 00:14:55,204 this person was writing down 141 00:14:55,239 --> 00:14:57,172 all the conversation he had with him. 142 00:14:59,243 --> 00:15:01,072 To give it to the party members. 143 00:15:25,994 --> 00:15:29,238 [CLICKETY-CLACK OF OLD TYPEWRITER] 144 00:15:44,012 --> 00:15:46,773 [FUNDER]: People tried to live a normal life 145 00:15:46,807 --> 00:15:49,949 in abnormal or extreme circumstances. 146 00:15:56,679 --> 00:15:59,682 [KRAFT]: 147 00:16:16,251 --> 00:16:19,668 [OLAF]: He had a very special status in East Germany. 148 00:16:22,326 --> 00:16:25,639 He enjoyed getting special treatments. 149 00:16:45,211 --> 00:16:48,248 [OLAF]: They also gave my mother a job at MZ 150 00:16:48,283 --> 00:16:51,113 so they both could be together in the same company. 151 00:16:55,566 --> 00:16:58,086 He had a better car than everybody else, 152 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:03,229 and he could travel to the west, which normal people couldn't. 153 00:17:06,266 --> 00:17:09,787 But compared to what he saw in West Germany 154 00:17:09,821 --> 00:17:11,720 it was still very little. 155 00:17:13,894 --> 00:17:15,724 [PASSPORT STAMP] 156 00:17:18,727 --> 00:17:20,763 [TRAVELLING MUSIC] 157 00:17:21,868 --> 00:17:24,871 [KRAFT]: 158 00:17:35,261 --> 00:17:36,917 [ROBB]: For Ernst then to come back 159 00:17:36,952 --> 00:17:39,575 from behind a restricted country, 160 00:17:39,610 --> 00:17:44,408 that must have been like us going to Disneyland. 161 00:17:59,768 --> 00:18:02,805 I remember them feeling very out of place. 162 00:18:04,635 --> 00:18:07,672 Chelira and Mondal and MV 163 00:18:07,707 --> 00:18:10,399 and all the top names in Italy were there then, 164 00:18:10,434 --> 00:18:13,678 so you were really going into the country 165 00:18:13,713 --> 00:18:15,404 and the world 166 00:18:15,439 --> 00:18:17,717 that was at the top of the Grand Prix racing scene. 167 00:18:19,443 --> 00:18:24,517 [WALKER]: MZ were hardly known and little thought of 168 00:18:24,551 --> 00:18:26,795 and certainly not thought highly of. 169 00:18:27,796 --> 00:18:29,660 They were persona non grata 170 00:18:29,694 --> 00:18:31,800 in the motorcycle racing world after the war. 171 00:18:37,254 --> 00:18:39,497 [ROBB]: Jimmy Matsumiya was an absolute gentleman. 172 00:18:40,602 --> 00:18:43,674 He came over as Suzuki's representative. 173 00:18:44,019 --> 00:18:46,297 He was always dressed immaculately. 174 00:18:51,923 --> 00:18:55,203 My name is James Akira Matsumiya. 175 00:18:55,237 --> 00:18:56,825 And for the British, I'm Jimmy. 176 00:19:00,863 --> 00:19:03,832 I was at the Italian Grand Prix circuit of Monza. 177 00:19:05,799 --> 00:19:07,732 Suzuki wasn't successful. 178 00:19:09,907 --> 00:19:13,773 I had to bring Suzuki's performance up, 179 00:19:13,807 --> 00:19:15,257 but I didn't know what to do. 180 00:19:18,364 --> 00:19:19,951 [ROBB]: Ernst got a very good start. 181 00:19:22,437 --> 00:19:24,163 He was first into the first corner. 182 00:19:26,234 --> 00:19:30,686 [OLAF]: He won by inches against the Italian hero Ubbiali 183 00:19:30,721 --> 00:19:33,620 in a very nose to nose race. 184 00:19:34,863 --> 00:19:36,554 "It was very exciting" he said. 185 00:19:37,314 --> 00:19:38,832 He was telling me the story quite often. 186 00:19:42,526 --> 00:19:44,390 [JIMMY MATSUMIYA]: I was trying very hard 187 00:19:44,424 --> 00:19:47,979 to find out the secret of why MZ is so strong. 188 00:19:51,535 --> 00:19:54,469 My job is to make Suzuki company successful. 189 00:19:56,022 --> 00:19:58,576 So I started to look at Ernst Degner. 190 00:20:02,649 --> 00:20:05,445 [ROBB]: That was making Ernst a star rider. 191 00:20:05,928 --> 00:20:07,689 This high speed missile 192 00:20:07,723 --> 00:20:09,035 that was coming out of East Germany. 193 00:20:11,106 --> 00:20:14,592 The name Degner and the name MZ were becoming rapidly known. 194 00:20:19,666 --> 00:20:21,737 People were starting to look at these... 195 00:20:22,117 --> 00:20:25,016 hand-beaten aluminium bikes 196 00:20:25,051 --> 00:20:27,018 from behind the Iron Curtain. 197 00:20:33,887 --> 00:20:35,544 [CLACKING OF OLD TYPEWRITER] 198 00:20:39,997 --> 00:20:42,551 Ernst Degner was projected into a world 199 00:20:42,586 --> 00:20:45,416 of international motorcycle racing, 200 00:20:46,037 --> 00:20:48,419 which took him out of East Germany 201 00:20:48,937 --> 00:20:52,320 into countries all over the world 202 00:20:52,354 --> 00:20:54,667 where the standard of living 203 00:20:55,081 --> 00:20:57,635 was infinitely higher than the one he was used to. 204 00:20:58,153 --> 00:21:00,017 I believe that Degner, 205 00:21:00,051 --> 00:21:01,984 as a member of the Communist State 206 00:21:02,502 --> 00:21:05,125 and as a top motorcycle racer 207 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:08,681 was actually paid a sort of basic wage. 208 00:21:09,026 --> 00:21:12,443 So seeing people like Jim Redman, Tom Phillis, 209 00:21:12,478 --> 00:21:14,859 Mike Hailwood, Phil Read 210 00:21:15,135 --> 00:21:18,449 who had loads of money, loads of status, 211 00:21:18,484 --> 00:21:20,589 must have hit Degner 212 00:21:20,624 --> 00:21:22,833 like throwing a bucket of cold water at him. 213 00:21:24,144 --> 00:21:25,939 [SLOW WHIRR OF OLD CINE PROJECTOR] 214 00:21:31,462 --> 00:21:32,946 [TYPING] 215 00:21:37,675 --> 00:21:40,575 [ROBB]: He would've liked to have been in the west 216 00:21:40,609 --> 00:21:42,542 because of the freedom that we had. 217 00:21:43,371 --> 00:21:45,096 He would love to have been with us 218 00:21:45,131 --> 00:21:47,064 every weekend with no restrictions. 219 00:21:47,098 --> 00:21:50,101 Not being watched. Not being kept back. 220 00:21:50,826 --> 00:21:52,656 [OLD FASHIONED TYPEWRITER] 221 00:21:57,799 --> 00:21:59,421 He could see then... 222 00:22:00,146 --> 00:22:03,598 that life on the other side of the curtain 223 00:22:03,632 --> 00:22:05,427 might be interesting. 224 00:22:08,810 --> 00:22:12,089 I think this was a time when they started to think about 225 00:22:12,123 --> 00:22:14,919 trying to find a way to escape. 226 00:22:20,994 --> 00:22:24,135 [LIVELY MUSIC] 227 00:22:28,174 --> 00:22:30,003 [WALKER]: The Isle of Man TT 228 00:22:30,038 --> 00:22:34,111 is the greatest motorsport event in the world. 229 00:22:36,596 --> 00:22:39,116 It is totally and absolutely unique. 230 00:22:40,704 --> 00:22:43,569 The circuit goes through towns and villages. 231 00:22:45,053 --> 00:22:48,712 [ROBB]: The hazards were the fact that you had hedges, 232 00:22:48,746 --> 00:22:53,061 ditches, trees, garden gates, ordinary roads. 233 00:22:55,132 --> 00:22:57,824 And it's hurt me so many, many times. 234 00:22:59,757 --> 00:23:01,587 When you hit something solid, that was it. 235 00:23:08,559 --> 00:23:10,872 [MATSUMIYA]: Mr Suzuki came to the Isle of Man. 236 00:23:11,217 --> 00:23:16,912 And he said, "Jimmy, we must win the motorcycle racing in Europe. 237 00:23:19,156 --> 00:23:21,054 Then people will recognise that 238 00:23:21,089 --> 00:23:23,747 Japanese motorcycle is worth buying." 239 00:23:25,749 --> 00:23:27,785 So, my job was... 240 00:23:28,579 --> 00:23:32,687 to try to bring Suzuki's performance up to 241 00:23:32,721 --> 00:23:34,205 the level of MZ. 242 00:23:39,521 --> 00:23:42,075 [ROBB]: At the TT, I was staying in the same guest house, 243 00:23:42,110 --> 00:23:44,008 the Fernleigh Hotel, 244 00:23:44,043 --> 00:23:46,977 along with Jimmy, Degner, and the other riders. 245 00:23:52,603 --> 00:23:54,812 Jimmy Matsumiya - he was ambitious. 246 00:23:54,847 --> 00:23:57,988 He was determined to get Suzuki to the top. 247 00:24:02,717 --> 00:24:04,546 [MATSUMIYA]: I was at the bar. 248 00:24:10,656 --> 00:24:13,037 And then I bumped into Ernst Degner. 249 00:24:16,903 --> 00:24:18,664 I said, "Entschuldigung". 250 00:24:21,252 --> 00:24:23,254 He said, "You, you spoke German!" 251 00:24:24,773 --> 00:24:27,845 So I said, "Yes. I learnt German in school." 252 00:24:30,365 --> 00:24:34,024 So my association with Degner had started. 253 00:24:40,030 --> 00:24:44,206 [ROBB]: In those days, they had a chief commissar with them, 254 00:24:45,069 --> 00:24:49,142 Herr Hartmann, who watched their every move. 255 00:24:50,834 --> 00:24:54,216 And he had the ability to stop that race meeting for them 256 00:24:54,251 --> 00:24:55,804 and take them back home. 257 00:24:57,634 --> 00:24:59,532 [COMMENTATOR]: These East German 2-strokes, 258 00:24:59,567 --> 00:25:01,258 radically altered in the engine departments 259 00:25:01,292 --> 00:25:02,915 are sounding terrific. 260 00:25:02,949 --> 00:25:04,123 [ROAR OF MOTORBIKE] 261 00:25:06,988 --> 00:25:09,335 And here's Ernst Degner on his East German MZ. 262 00:25:10,992 --> 00:25:13,235 Degner had broken the lap record in practice. 263 00:25:14,789 --> 00:25:18,206 [WALKER]: The BBC did the TT in the Isle of Man... 264 00:25:20,173 --> 00:25:23,383 and I used to go round all the individual camps 265 00:25:23,418 --> 00:25:25,316 and I talked to Degner. 266 00:25:26,283 --> 00:25:28,734 And he certainly had a lot inside his head 267 00:25:28,768 --> 00:25:30,598 as a rider and a mechanic 268 00:25:30,632 --> 00:25:32,979 and someone who had worked very closely with Walter Kaaden. 269 00:25:34,049 --> 00:25:36,258 [MOTORBIKE ROARS PAST] 270 00:25:36,293 --> 00:25:37,570 [WALKER ON COMMENTARY]: There were three 271 00:25:37,605 --> 00:25:38,847 Japanese Suzukis, 272 00:25:38,882 --> 00:25:40,987 but they had been in trouble during practice. 273 00:25:41,885 --> 00:25:44,059 None of these seemed to have any chance of winning. 274 00:25:54,691 --> 00:25:56,762 [ERNST]: Well, we had known in the MZ team 275 00:25:56,796 --> 00:26:00,075 two or three people from the Communist Party. 276 00:26:00,282 --> 00:26:03,423 So Matsumiya and I had to talk together 277 00:26:03,458 --> 00:26:04,804 very secret. 278 00:26:10,914 --> 00:26:13,364 [MATSUMIYA]: One day, when he was in my room 279 00:26:13,882 --> 00:26:17,196 Degner said, "Jimmy, I love jazz, do you like jazz?" 280 00:26:19,198 --> 00:26:21,614 So I said, "Yes, I used to play drums." 281 00:26:21,649 --> 00:26:23,029 [HE IMITATES DRUMS] 282 00:26:24,686 --> 00:26:26,170 I got the gramophone. 283 00:26:28,069 --> 00:26:29,933 [JAZZ MUSIC] 284 00:26:29,967 --> 00:26:33,695 I intentionally made the volume of the jazz music higher, 285 00:26:34,247 --> 00:26:35,594 and we are talking. 286 00:26:36,111 --> 00:26:37,906 [JAZZ MUSIC] 287 00:26:41,703 --> 00:26:44,154 I never thought he knew jazz song. 288 00:26:45,914 --> 00:26:47,433 [MELLOW JAZZ] 289 00:26:48,883 --> 00:26:52,403 Degner and myself put together through the music. 290 00:26:58,133 --> 00:27:03,242 Degner was trying desperately to escape from Eastern Germany. 291 00:27:06,832 --> 00:27:08,040 [CIGARETTE LIGHTER] 292 00:27:10,421 --> 00:27:12,838 At that time, I'd made up my mind 293 00:27:12,872 --> 00:27:15,288 that we must get some technology from MZ 294 00:27:15,323 --> 00:27:16,220 one way or another. 295 00:27:17,463 --> 00:27:19,223 We must have a better engine. 296 00:27:26,161 --> 00:27:28,716 So I was trying to build up the relationship. 297 00:27:29,509 --> 00:27:33,341 I thought that Degner is important to us. 298 00:27:52,291 --> 00:27:55,225 Degner started to feel that I am trustworthy friend. 299 00:27:59,194 --> 00:28:01,093 One day after dinner, 300 00:28:01,127 --> 00:28:04,683 Degner and myself went to the top of the cliff, 301 00:28:05,580 --> 00:28:07,202 to the edge of the land. 302 00:28:09,066 --> 00:28:11,379 You can see there's nobody around. 303 00:28:13,968 --> 00:28:16,177 I still remember it was very windy 304 00:28:16,211 --> 00:28:17,903 and the sea was very rough. 305 00:28:21,941 --> 00:28:24,150 [CRASHING WAVES] 306 00:28:24,806 --> 00:28:26,463 And when we are looking at the sea... 307 00:28:28,879 --> 00:28:31,295 Degner said, "Jimmy, beyond there, 308 00:28:31,330 --> 00:28:33,021 there's civilisation. 309 00:28:33,608 --> 00:28:38,544 Britain, America, even further you have Japan. 310 00:28:40,132 --> 00:28:41,858 I have only one way to go back. 311 00:28:43,791 --> 00:28:46,897 To the small cage called Eastern Germany, 312 00:28:48,243 --> 00:28:50,383 where I don't have any freedom whatsoever." 313 00:28:51,143 --> 00:28:52,972 [CRASHING WAVES] 314 00:28:55,906 --> 00:28:57,045 I feel sorry for him. 315 00:29:03,293 --> 00:29:06,779 So I said, "Ernst, I can give you my word of honour... 316 00:29:10,818 --> 00:29:14,442 you have money waiting for you when you defect. 317 00:29:17,272 --> 00:29:21,967 Now, how shall we construct your defection plan?" 318 00:30:43,358 --> 00:30:44,877 Everybody is compromised 319 00:30:44,912 --> 00:30:47,500 in the way that the State is compromised. 320 00:30:47,535 --> 00:30:50,365 And in that sense it broke people. 321 00:30:50,745 --> 00:30:53,023 Both the people who worked for it, 322 00:30:53,058 --> 00:30:56,578 who were kind of... morally broken 323 00:30:56,613 --> 00:30:58,235 and the people that they oppressed. 324 00:30:59,443 --> 00:31:03,723 We know now that Kaaden was a part of the Stasi. 325 00:31:03,758 --> 00:31:07,693 So even, let's say, one of his friends, his team mate, 326 00:31:07,727 --> 00:31:10,489 who was always around him 327 00:31:10,523 --> 00:31:11,904 was observing him. 328 00:31:13,423 --> 00:31:15,045 He didn't have a choice, did he? 329 00:31:16,288 --> 00:31:18,635 He wouldn't have been in the job if he hadn't said yes. 330 00:31:20,223 --> 00:31:23,088 If he'd said, "No, I don't agree to doing all this", 331 00:31:23,122 --> 00:31:25,228 Kaaden wouldn't have been an engineer. 332 00:31:25,262 --> 00:31:27,333 This was a regime 333 00:31:27,368 --> 00:31:31,234 that effectively used fear as fuel 334 00:31:31,751 --> 00:31:33,581 and it ran on betrayal. 335 00:31:37,343 --> 00:31:41,692 It asked of people to betray themselves 336 00:31:41,727 --> 00:31:44,523 and to betray the most fundamental relationships 337 00:31:44,557 --> 00:31:45,662 in their lives. 338 00:32:00,021 --> 00:32:01,298 [ROBB]: Any top rider 339 00:32:01,333 --> 00:32:02,990 desired the World Championship. 340 00:32:03,024 --> 00:32:07,028 And Ernst was a very, very determined person. 341 00:32:13,828 --> 00:32:15,623 [KRAFT]: 342 00:32:56,491 --> 00:33:00,599 [WALKER]: Because East Germany and the Iron Curtain countries 343 00:33:00,633 --> 00:33:03,050 were deprived of the spectacle 344 00:33:03,084 --> 00:33:05,397 of top international motorcycle racing 345 00:33:05,431 --> 00:33:07,640 they got the most enormous crowds there. 346 00:33:19,169 --> 00:33:23,415 [KRAFT]: 347 00:34:06,527 --> 00:34:09,185 [OLAF]: He was so close to being world champion 348 00:34:09,219 --> 00:34:13,223 but he was sick of not doing what he wanted to do 349 00:34:13,258 --> 00:34:15,674 and when he was doing something 350 00:34:15,708 --> 00:34:20,092 then it was only Kaaden and the higher people 351 00:34:20,127 --> 00:34:21,783 that was getting the benefit out of it. 352 00:34:24,786 --> 00:34:27,720 He wanted to have his own decisions 353 00:34:27,755 --> 00:34:29,757 rather than be controlled by them. 354 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:34,727 [ARCHIVE REPORTER]: The attention of an anxious world 355 00:34:34,762 --> 00:34:37,489 is focussed on East and West Germany and Berlin. 356 00:34:37,523 --> 00:34:40,147 The last great exodus of refugees from the east 357 00:34:40,181 --> 00:34:42,528 is processed at the Marienfelde Centre 358 00:34:42,563 --> 00:34:45,635 as the Communist German regime moves to close their border 359 00:34:45,669 --> 00:34:46,912 against further flights. 360 00:34:47,361 --> 00:34:49,156 Once the East Germans are processed 361 00:34:49,190 --> 00:34:50,398 they are absorbed 362 00:34:50,433 --> 00:34:52,297 into the hungry West German labour market. 363 00:34:52,331 --> 00:34:54,851 Young people were leaving in droves. 364 00:34:55,265 --> 00:34:58,475 Some ex-East Germans have described it to me 365 00:34:58,510 --> 00:34:59,545 as a haemorrhage. 366 00:34:59,821 --> 00:35:01,271 There were checkpoints, 367 00:35:01,306 --> 00:35:03,756 but they were very permeable on a daily basis. 368 00:35:03,791 --> 00:35:05,241 People went back and forth. 369 00:35:09,866 --> 00:35:15,906 [MATSUMIYA]: During that period, Berlin Wall is not created yet. 370 00:35:17,460 --> 00:35:20,256 So the people in East Berlin 371 00:35:20,290 --> 00:35:21,740 can commute with western Berlin 372 00:35:22,637 --> 00:35:24,708 through the underground. 373 00:35:26,296 --> 00:35:29,265 It was before the government started 374 00:35:29,299 --> 00:35:31,543 to tighten up the loophole. 375 00:35:36,996 --> 00:35:39,758 [ERNST]: It was easy, you just took the underground 376 00:35:39,792 --> 00:35:42,347 from East Berlin to West Berlin, and you were there. 377 00:35:47,283 --> 00:35:50,389 [MATSUMIYA]: My idea was to meet with Degner 378 00:35:50,424 --> 00:35:52,978 in the western side of Berlin. 379 00:35:59,467 --> 00:36:01,469 And one day Degner said, 380 00:36:01,504 --> 00:36:04,438 "Jimmy, we will try to come out to the west." 381 00:36:07,337 --> 00:36:11,652 Now, Degner started to prepare for the defection. 382 00:36:15,621 --> 00:36:18,417 They wanted to leave as soon as possible. 383 00:36:25,390 --> 00:36:29,359 [MATSUMIYA]: So, I went to Berlin... 384 00:36:31,258 --> 00:36:33,363 and meet with him in the western side 385 00:36:34,261 --> 00:36:36,711 of the underground. 386 00:36:43,270 --> 00:36:45,272 So, about 10 o'clock I went to the station. 387 00:36:47,998 --> 00:36:50,863 Not this train, OK, next train, next train, next train. 388 00:36:52,382 --> 00:36:54,626 I was just sitting there, waiting. 389 00:36:56,835 --> 00:36:57,974 He did not come. 390 00:37:03,635 --> 00:37:07,846 When I came back to the hotel, I received a telephone call 391 00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,089 from somebody unknown, 392 00:37:10,124 --> 00:37:13,231 who claims that actually he's a friend of Degner. 393 00:37:15,405 --> 00:37:19,720 And he said, "You are waiting for Degner, aren't you? 394 00:37:19,754 --> 00:37:21,411 And Degner isn't coming." 395 00:37:22,032 --> 00:37:24,000 He said, "It is too dangerous." 396 00:37:25,519 --> 00:37:27,279 "The wall will be built within two days." 397 00:37:40,465 --> 00:37:41,914 Degner stopped talking to me. 398 00:37:42,984 --> 00:37:44,986 So I had to come back to the UK. 399 00:38:03,004 --> 00:38:06,629 [FUNDER]: Overnight, the guards came 400 00:38:06,663 --> 00:38:10,805 and started building a wall through the city, 401 00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:12,807 the heart of the city of Berlin 402 00:38:12,842 --> 00:38:14,809 and around the eastern sector 403 00:38:14,844 --> 00:38:18,606 to wall in the eastern part of the capital. 404 00:38:19,055 --> 00:38:21,471 And at the same time then they fortified the border 405 00:38:21,506 --> 00:38:23,715 between East Germany and West Germany. 406 00:38:49,465 --> 00:38:52,433 [FUNDER]: People were leaping from windows 407 00:38:52,468 --> 00:38:53,848 in their apartment buildings 408 00:38:53,883 --> 00:38:56,817 when they could see the guards and the sandbags 409 00:38:56,851 --> 00:38:59,578 and the dogs and the barbed wire outside their window. 410 00:39:02,063 --> 00:39:04,790 People were separated from their jobs. 411 00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:08,000 They were separated from family members 412 00:39:08,035 --> 00:39:10,002 for years, for decades. 413 00:39:13,903 --> 00:39:15,974 It was a desperate measure 414 00:39:16,008 --> 00:39:18,563 and that really cut through people's lives. 415 00:39:23,533 --> 00:39:25,639 [KRAFT]: 416 00:40:03,055 --> 00:40:05,161 [OLD-FASHIONED TYPEWRITER] 417 00:40:21,004 --> 00:40:23,213 His family, his wife and his children 418 00:40:23,248 --> 00:40:25,077 were not allowed to accompany him. 419 00:40:25,112 --> 00:40:28,218 They were in effect the ransom. 420 00:40:33,983 --> 00:40:36,192 [ROBB]: Gerda wasn't one of those people 421 00:40:36,226 --> 00:40:37,745 who you would notice. 422 00:40:38,712 --> 00:40:40,886 She stayed very much in the background. 423 00:40:42,923 --> 00:40:44,925 Very quiet, very reserved. 424 00:40:46,582 --> 00:40:48,169 Spent a lot of time with her little boy 425 00:40:48,204 --> 00:40:49,895 at the race meetings, obviously. 426 00:40:51,103 --> 00:40:52,967 She was devoted to Ernst. 427 00:40:56,108 --> 00:40:58,110 [OLAF]: My mother is a strong personality. 428 00:40:59,042 --> 00:41:02,011 She would influence you that you do it 429 00:41:02,045 --> 00:41:05,221 without her telling you to do. 430 00:41:06,533 --> 00:41:08,535 She was putting pressure on him 431 00:41:08,569 --> 00:41:11,261 when they saw that the wall was going up. 432 00:41:11,296 --> 00:41:16,197 Then she, she thought it is time now to go. 433 00:41:17,854 --> 00:41:19,546 My father also wanted to go 434 00:41:19,580 --> 00:41:21,237 but I think my mother was pushing. 435 00:41:25,931 --> 00:41:28,140 [ERNST]: The western side is completely closed. 436 00:41:28,865 --> 00:41:33,525 Nobody is able to go over to West Berlin or West Germany 437 00:41:34,181 --> 00:41:37,218 and then I had to change my plan. 438 00:42:01,691 --> 00:42:03,175 I had to concentrate, 439 00:42:03,210 --> 00:42:07,835 not only for raising up to the end of season for MZ, 440 00:42:07,870 --> 00:42:10,597 but also to bring my family over 441 00:42:10,631 --> 00:42:13,876 and try to leave in the best way from East Germany 442 00:42:13,910 --> 00:42:16,982 via Sweden for the Swedish Grand Prix. 443 00:42:17,604 --> 00:42:19,329 The he started to tell me, 444 00:42:19,364 --> 00:42:23,817 "OK, next possibility is Kristianstad in Sweden." 445 00:42:27,027 --> 00:42:30,824 But at the same time, his wife and children will be defecting 446 00:42:31,100 --> 00:42:33,274 from Eastern Germany to Western Germany. 447 00:42:36,968 --> 00:42:40,281 The plan on the defection Degner told me in detail. 448 00:42:43,146 --> 00:42:45,321 Eastern Germany exports lots and lots 449 00:42:45,355 --> 00:42:47,944 of large tree trunks. 450 00:42:50,671 --> 00:42:54,399 And there are special transporter 451 00:42:55,055 --> 00:42:57,747 and in the centre, there's a small cavity 452 00:42:57,782 --> 00:42:59,991 that was made which is not accessible 453 00:43:00,025 --> 00:43:01,268 through the outside. 454 00:43:01,475 --> 00:43:03,753 And his wife and sons are supposed to be inside. 455 00:43:05,824 --> 00:43:07,101 [FUNDER]: That had to be 456 00:43:07,136 --> 00:43:10,449 an absolutely secret operation. 457 00:43:10,484 --> 00:43:13,349 Or you could be in prison just for planning it. 458 00:43:19,458 --> 00:43:21,150 The risks were enormous. 459 00:43:21,184 --> 00:43:24,084 If Gerda had been caught trying to defect 460 00:43:24,118 --> 00:43:26,396 the children would be separated from their parents. 461 00:43:27,121 --> 00:43:29,468 They were put into state institutions 462 00:43:29,503 --> 00:43:31,816 and often they were adopted 463 00:43:31,850 --> 00:43:37,822 by leading SED, Communist Party or Stasi cadre. 464 00:43:38,754 --> 00:43:44,414 And then brought up as good model socialist citizens. 465 00:43:46,485 --> 00:43:48,764 [OLAF]: The border was pretty drastic. 466 00:43:49,523 --> 00:43:53,354 They didn't want people going out or coming in. 467 00:43:55,529 --> 00:43:57,496 [ROBB]: From West Germany to East Germany 468 00:43:57,531 --> 00:43:59,395 we had to go through guards 469 00:43:59,429 --> 00:44:01,086 with sub machine guns 470 00:44:01,121 --> 00:44:04,331 sticking the machine gun through the window to question you. 471 00:44:04,365 --> 00:44:05,919 When you looked out the other window 472 00:44:05,953 --> 00:44:08,059 there was a gunning tower 473 00:44:08,093 --> 00:44:11,200 with a machine gun watching all the traffic coming in. 474 00:44:11,441 --> 00:44:12,960 [FUNDER]: If you were in a vehicle 475 00:44:12,995 --> 00:44:14,410 there would be a check 476 00:44:14,444 --> 00:44:16,757 underneath the car with a mirror. 477 00:44:17,482 --> 00:44:19,898 They would check the boot for its contents 478 00:44:19,933 --> 00:44:22,763 and also take out the bottom of the boot to check 479 00:44:22,798 --> 00:44:25,421 there were no people lying in secret compartments. 480 00:44:26,525 --> 00:44:29,770 [OLAF]: There was a massive place. 481 00:44:29,805 --> 00:44:33,463 One control. Second control. Third control. 482 00:44:36,190 --> 00:44:37,295 It was pretty scary. 483 00:44:41,264 --> 00:44:45,441 [KRAFT]: 484 00:44:45,924 --> 00:44:48,306 Of course the elections were utterly sham. 485 00:44:48,340 --> 00:44:49,997 There was only one party. 486 00:44:50,032 --> 00:44:54,899 The so-called opposition parties were fictions or fronts. 487 00:44:54,933 --> 00:44:59,213 And the ruling SED Party won every election 488 00:44:59,593 --> 00:45:03,148 with margins of about 98, 99 percent. 489 00:45:05,772 --> 00:45:07,463 [KRAFT]: 490 00:45:38,805 --> 00:45:40,565 [OLAF]: We drove from Berlin 491 00:45:40,599 --> 00:45:43,464 towards the West German border. 492 00:45:45,432 --> 00:45:47,537 Stopped somewhere at a parking place. 493 00:45:50,989 --> 00:45:53,440 [ERNST]: I brought them to a special place 494 00:45:53,474 --> 00:45:56,788 where they had to change over to the other car. 495 00:46:19,500 --> 00:46:22,020 I went back to Stralsund 496 00:46:22,055 --> 00:46:25,196 which is the point where the ferry went to Sweden. 497 00:46:29,303 --> 00:46:31,064 He had this race in Sweden. 498 00:46:33,342 --> 00:46:35,275 It was all part of the plan. 499 00:46:54,466 --> 00:46:59,955 [MATSUMIYA]: I hired a car and drove to Kristianstad. 500 00:47:03,924 --> 00:47:07,134 I went to the hotel where MZ was also staying. 501 00:47:14,038 --> 00:47:18,387 [ERNST]: We stayed all in one hotel, the MZ people 502 00:47:18,974 --> 00:47:21,977 and I took a single bedroom. 503 00:47:42,342 --> 00:47:44,378 I waited for, for their call. 504 00:47:45,379 --> 00:47:46,967 If they wouldn't have crossed, 505 00:47:47,002 --> 00:47:48,589 I wouldn't have moved from Sweden. 506 00:47:52,973 --> 00:47:56,183 [OLAF]: We took tranquilisers so that we would be calm. 507 00:47:58,599 --> 00:48:01,223 My brother was a small baby and I was two. 508 00:48:44,576 --> 00:48:47,925 [GERMAN VOICES] 509 00:48:53,620 --> 00:48:55,208 [BARKING GUARD DOGS] 510 00:49:11,638 --> 00:49:13,502 [ENGINE STARTS] 511 00:49:34,419 --> 00:49:35,627 [TELEPHONE RINGS] 512 00:49:39,631 --> 00:49:43,704 [MATSUMIYA]: That actual information he got 513 00:49:43,739 --> 00:49:47,260 that his family managed to cross over the border 514 00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:51,609 was given to him before he started racing. 515 00:50:12,768 --> 00:50:15,357 That's when he knew now he can defect, 516 00:50:15,391 --> 00:50:18,360 because his family is already in the safe side. 517 00:50:24,745 --> 00:50:26,264 There's no more going back, 518 00:50:26,299 --> 00:50:28,197 because when he goes back, he'll be caught. 519 00:50:28,232 --> 00:50:29,647 His wife is no longer there. 520 00:50:29,888 --> 00:50:31,442 He has to go one way or another. 521 00:50:34,169 --> 00:50:37,413 I give him my key of my hired car. 522 00:51:11,551 --> 00:51:15,589 [KRAFT]: 523 00:51:20,353 --> 00:51:22,286 [WALKER]: He was going to be world champion 524 00:51:22,596 --> 00:51:24,288 and he was going to be world champion 525 00:51:24,322 --> 00:51:25,289 for East Germany! 526 00:51:28,533 --> 00:51:32,123 [KRAFT]: 527 00:51:49,692 --> 00:51:51,108 [ROAR OF MOTORBIKES] 528 00:51:54,973 --> 00:51:57,217 [WALKER]: He took full advantage of the performance 529 00:51:57,252 --> 00:51:58,563 of his MZ bike 530 00:51:58,598 --> 00:52:01,290 and got light years ahead of everybody else. 531 00:52:03,982 --> 00:52:06,157 [MATSUMIYA]: He was very fast, placed number one. 532 00:52:07,848 --> 00:52:09,747 [WALKER]: The eyes of the world were on him. 533 00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:12,646 So the mental pressure on him 534 00:52:12,681 --> 00:52:15,132 must have been absolutely gigantic. 535 00:52:16,409 --> 00:52:17,996 [OLAF]: In Sweden, he would have liked 536 00:52:18,031 --> 00:52:19,791 to win the world champion, 537 00:52:19,826 --> 00:52:21,897 but on the other hand it would have been 538 00:52:21,931 --> 00:52:23,795 even more difficult to escape. 539 00:52:25,659 --> 00:52:27,144 [ROAR OF MOTORBIKE] 540 00:52:31,700 --> 00:52:34,979 [KAADEN]: 541 00:52:47,750 --> 00:52:49,856 [COMMENTATOR]: The last lap, the last corner, 542 00:52:51,547 --> 00:52:55,310 the first gear jumped out and the engine quickly overran. 543 00:52:57,967 --> 00:53:00,867 And the chains were broken, and that was it. 544 00:53:27,790 --> 00:53:29,344 When I want to do something 545 00:53:30,310 --> 00:53:31,622 and I want to achieve something... 546 00:53:32,830 --> 00:53:33,900 I will do anything. 547 00:53:37,421 --> 00:53:39,526 I think after so many years, 50 years, 548 00:53:39,561 --> 00:53:40,976 I'm sure it's OK to say it now... 549 00:53:42,288 --> 00:53:44,221 he over-revved intentionally. 550 00:53:45,463 --> 00:53:48,846 And machine seized over, broken down. 551 00:53:52,574 --> 00:53:53,851 If he'd won the race 552 00:53:54,817 --> 00:53:57,993 he was gonna be involved in the podium, 553 00:53:58,027 --> 00:53:59,995 getting the adulation of the crowd, 554 00:54:00,029 --> 00:54:01,617 being interviewed. 555 00:54:01,652 --> 00:54:04,068 And, most important of all, 556 00:54:04,102 --> 00:54:07,865 having his Stasi minder or minders 557 00:54:08,555 --> 00:54:10,592 within controlling reach of him. 558 00:54:47,905 --> 00:54:51,702 [MATSUMIYA]: He had key of my hired car. 559 00:54:52,979 --> 00:54:54,739 So he drove straight away. 560 00:55:03,610 --> 00:55:04,922 [OMINOUS MUSIC] 561 00:55:05,785 --> 00:55:08,822 [ROBB]: The secrecy they must've lived in that week 562 00:55:08,857 --> 00:55:10,755 because we were there with them all. 563 00:55:11,860 --> 00:55:13,413 We knew nothing of it. 564 00:55:15,070 --> 00:55:19,108 [WALKER]: He disappeared. It was absolutely mind blowing. 565 00:55:21,870 --> 00:55:23,941 [MATSUMIYA]: After racing, a few hours later... 566 00:55:25,943 --> 00:55:27,634 everybody said, "Where's Degner?" 567 00:55:28,773 --> 00:55:31,673 So I said, "Maybe Degner has gone back to his room 568 00:55:31,707 --> 00:55:33,122 and is sleeping or something like that 569 00:55:34,572 --> 00:55:37,506 because he must be very depressed 570 00:55:37,541 --> 00:55:41,096 by not scoring the world champion, the title. 571 00:55:50,070 --> 00:55:51,762 [OLD FASHIONED TYPEWRITER] 572 00:56:00,874 --> 00:56:02,807 I was hanging round until midnight. 573 00:56:10,884 --> 00:56:12,783 So I was drinking, drinking... 574 00:56:12,817 --> 00:56:16,062 and the MZ people are drinking, drinking, drinking. 575 00:56:17,926 --> 00:56:20,549 Degner's car was there in front of bar! 576 00:56:21,895 --> 00:56:24,001 So nobody suspected 577 00:56:24,035 --> 00:56:25,623 I had something to do with Degner, 578 00:56:25,658 --> 00:56:27,418 because Degner's car is there. 579 00:56:27,453 --> 00:56:29,731 And nobody's thinking Degner's driving my car. 580 00:56:45,678 --> 00:56:48,750 And after everything's getting quieter, 581 00:56:48,784 --> 00:56:51,166 I left with Degner's car. 582 00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:56,930 My heart is beating. 583 00:57:04,524 --> 00:57:07,458 It's a dark night. I started, gone. 584 00:57:21,023 --> 00:57:24,441 [WALKER]: For Degner to give up the world championship 585 00:57:24,682 --> 00:57:26,719 must have been an enormous sacrifice. 586 00:57:28,099 --> 00:57:31,586 But it showed that his wife and children, his family 587 00:57:31,620 --> 00:57:33,898 were more important than 588 00:57:33,933 --> 00:57:37,246 his craft, his calling, his living, motorcycle racing. 589 00:58:04,584 --> 00:58:06,586 [MATSUMIYA]: I met him in Denmark. 590 00:58:11,798 --> 00:58:15,181 The ferry boat was about to set sail. 591 00:58:17,045 --> 00:58:18,495 I said goodbye to him. 592 00:58:20,393 --> 00:58:21,636 When he left... 593 00:58:23,016 --> 00:58:25,709 on the ferry towards Western Germany... 594 00:58:31,611 --> 00:58:32,888 he's a defector. 595 00:58:35,028 --> 00:58:37,203 And from that time onward, 596 00:58:37,237 --> 00:58:39,239 Degner was free to go anywhere else. 597 00:58:43,658 --> 00:58:44,762 He was happy. 598 00:59:15,655 --> 00:59:17,208 [OLD-FASHIONED TYPEWRITER] 599 00:59:25,078 --> 00:59:29,669 Everybody's down for breakfast and Kaaden comes up to Frank 600 00:59:29,704 --> 00:59:32,569 and he says, "Have you seen Ernst this morning?" 601 00:59:32,948 --> 00:59:35,123 And Frank said, "No." Which is true, Frank hadn't. 602 00:59:35,157 --> 00:59:37,919 I mean, we've been to bed 603 00:59:37,953 --> 00:59:40,404 and we didn't know anything of what was going on. 604 00:59:40,438 --> 00:59:42,924 He was like a chicken with his head cut off. 605 00:59:43,649 --> 00:59:45,409 [OLD-FASHIONED TYPEWRITER] 606 00:59:51,726 --> 00:59:53,279 [OLD-FASHIONED TYPEWRITER] 607 01:00:18,684 --> 01:00:20,927 [ROBB]: Can you imagine Kaaden's feelings... 608 01:00:22,101 --> 01:00:25,345 when the whole story eventually came out 609 01:00:25,380 --> 01:00:28,314 when he found what had happened. 610 01:00:28,348 --> 01:00:31,041 That all his secrets were going, you know? 611 01:00:32,111 --> 01:00:34,458 [PERRIS]: It must have been devastating for him, of course. 612 01:00:47,126 --> 01:00:51,233 [KRAFT]: 613 01:02:07,447 --> 01:02:11,451 We know the consequences for him going back without Ernst 614 01:02:11,969 --> 01:02:15,214 would be totally unacceptable. 615 01:02:15,455 --> 01:02:16,974 "You didn't look after him. 616 01:02:17,009 --> 01:02:18,320 You should've brought him back." 617 01:02:53,183 --> 01:02:55,772 [PERRIS]: And everybody said he treated him like a son 618 01:02:55,979 --> 01:02:57,946 and you do everything for them, don't you? 619 01:02:59,120 --> 01:03:01,501 He taught him everything that Ernst knew. 620 01:03:03,296 --> 01:03:05,609 And that would have hurt when Ernst went. 621 01:03:08,232 --> 01:03:09,440 Would have hurt a lot. 622 01:03:22,177 --> 01:03:26,216 [KAADEN]: 623 01:03:58,213 --> 01:04:04,185 After Degner left, it was very bad for us. 624 01:04:04,219 --> 01:04:06,843 We had no help from the government. 625 01:04:07,636 --> 01:04:11,675 Government was not interested to have motorcycle sport. 626 01:04:23,204 --> 01:04:24,964 [OLAF]: I admire what they did, 627 01:04:24,999 --> 01:04:27,656 because at this time it was quite a thing. 628 01:04:34,146 --> 01:04:37,528 It takes a lot of courage to have the decision to defect, 629 01:04:38,322 --> 01:04:39,910 because it was so dangerous. 630 01:04:42,326 --> 01:04:45,674 [ARCHIVE INTERVIEWER]: 631 01:05:59,127 --> 01:06:02,303 The official line by the SED government 632 01:06:02,337 --> 01:06:03,683 and by the Stasi 633 01:06:03,718 --> 01:06:05,375 would have been - it's a crime. 634 01:06:11,243 --> 01:06:15,178 You are leaving us. You are going over to the enemy. 635 01:06:15,212 --> 01:06:16,800 The air of the fascist state. 636 01:06:18,112 --> 01:06:19,699 -Daddy! -Aah! 637 01:06:21,046 --> 01:06:23,772 [OLAF]: I remember them, these Japanese people 638 01:06:23,807 --> 01:06:25,153 were coming to our house. 639 01:06:26,568 --> 01:06:28,156 They met up with my father. 640 01:06:29,364 --> 01:06:32,712 It could be that these were the people from Suzuki 641 01:06:32,747 --> 01:06:35,612 that just wanted to make a contract with him. 642 01:06:52,387 --> 01:06:55,632 [WALKER]: He goes to Japan, a foreign country. 643 01:06:55,666 --> 01:06:59,015 And not just a foreign country, a totally foreign culture. 644 01:07:05,228 --> 01:07:08,334 And he goes from a starvation level 645 01:07:08,369 --> 01:07:10,888 in terms of facilities to develop the bike 646 01:07:10,923 --> 01:07:13,132 that he had at MZ to... 647 01:07:13,167 --> 01:07:16,377 you name it, and you can have it with Suzuki. 648 01:07:16,411 --> 01:07:20,070 Because Suzuki was a big company and they wanted success 649 01:07:20,622 --> 01:07:23,591 and they'd got all the money and facilities that he needed. 650 01:07:36,224 --> 01:07:38,088 [WALKER]: He works over the winter 651 01:07:38,951 --> 01:07:41,471 in those circumstances, and develops a bike. 652 01:07:42,748 --> 01:07:44,888 [ERNST]: I'm just making the final touches 653 01:07:44,922 --> 01:07:46,821 to finish the first cylinder 654 01:07:47,442 --> 01:07:49,272 ever I have done for Suzuki. 655 01:07:50,169 --> 01:07:53,069 When Mr Okana saw that cylinder, 656 01:07:53,862 --> 01:07:56,451 he rushed to Mr Suzuki to show him. 657 01:07:57,176 --> 01:07:59,420 And they looked at it and, well, 658 01:07:59,454 --> 01:08:06,910 they have seen what I was able to do. 659 01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:10,362 [WALKER]: And the Japanese were not stupid. 660 01:08:10,396 --> 01:08:12,226 They only needed a lead 661 01:08:12,260 --> 01:08:15,781 from a knowledgeable, intelligent, experienced 662 01:08:15,815 --> 01:08:18,197 and successful chap like Degner 663 01:08:18,818 --> 01:08:20,406 to pick that up and go with it. 664 01:08:25,411 --> 01:08:27,551 [ANDERSON]: Once Ernst brought the knowledge out 665 01:08:27,586 --> 01:08:29,795 and Suzuki gained that, 666 01:08:30,623 --> 01:08:33,316 the MZ's then didn't have a chance, really. 667 01:09:04,312 --> 01:09:07,246 He had everything in his head. Yeah? 668 01:09:07,281 --> 01:09:10,698 He didn't have to take any papers. 669 01:09:10,974 --> 01:09:17,256 It was all... They had part of the development of the MZ. 670 01:09:26,886 --> 01:09:29,682 [RHYTHMIC MUSIC] 671 01:09:35,274 --> 01:09:36,862 [COMMENTATOR]: Degner was the favourite 672 01:09:36,896 --> 01:09:39,761 for Friday's two-lap, 76.5 mile race. 673 01:10:00,057 --> 01:10:03,958 Right from the fall of the flag, Degner rode like a man inspired. 674 01:10:12,518 --> 01:10:14,348 Degner had increased his lead. 675 01:10:15,314 --> 01:10:17,420 The last lap was a scorcher. 676 01:10:26,946 --> 01:10:28,258 [COMMENTATOR 2]: Degner of Suzuki 677 01:10:28,293 --> 01:10:29,466 has beaten his competitors 678 01:10:29,501 --> 01:10:31,606 and broken the 30 minute lap record. 679 01:10:31,779 --> 01:10:34,816 The winner is Suzuki's Degner of Japan. 680 01:10:34,851 --> 01:10:38,234 Ito, Ichino and Suzuki have also won prizes. 681 01:10:38,648 --> 01:10:40,926 All of the Suzuki team are winners. 682 01:10:41,409 --> 01:10:43,963 [KRAFT]: 683 01:10:49,693 --> 01:10:53,283 And it's a mark incidentally of not only his ability 684 01:10:53,318 --> 01:10:56,010 and his acumen as an engineer, 685 01:10:56,735 --> 01:10:59,082 but his skill and brilliance as a rider. 686 01:11:01,740 --> 01:11:04,881 [MILITARY DRUMBEAT MUSIC] 687 01:11:06,054 --> 01:11:08,643 [ARCHIVE REPORTER]: Suzuki has gained the championship 688 01:11:08,678 --> 01:11:10,990 with an unbelievable maximum record speed 689 01:11:11,025 --> 01:11:13,855 of 144.84 kilometres per hour. 690 01:11:14,753 --> 01:11:17,618 These outstanding records have brought glory, 691 01:11:17,652 --> 01:11:19,999 not only to Suzuki Motor Company, 692 01:11:20,034 --> 01:11:22,070 but have also made a deep impression 693 01:11:22,105 --> 01:11:23,796 in business circles throughout the world. 694 01:11:24,452 --> 01:11:27,006 Increasing Japanese foreign trade. 695 01:11:30,734 --> 01:11:32,011 [MATSUMIYA]: We were the fastest. 696 01:11:34,151 --> 01:11:36,395 And in the end, when we won that race, 697 01:11:36,430 --> 01:11:38,915 I cried. It was fantastic. 698 01:11:41,573 --> 01:11:42,850 At long last, we won. 699 01:11:48,027 --> 01:11:53,378 We Japanese. Every Japanese. We want to be equal to Europe. 700 01:11:54,206 --> 01:11:57,899 This is how we are so strongly motivated. 701 01:11:59,591 --> 01:12:02,939 [ERNST]: I was the first guy who ever won 702 01:12:02,973 --> 01:12:05,666 the Isle of Man on a Japanese motorcycle. 703 01:12:10,153 --> 01:12:12,604 I can remember that there was a good prize. 704 01:12:12,638 --> 01:12:14,399 He got a Mercedes. 705 01:12:14,709 --> 01:12:22,165 There was his brand new white convertible Mercedes, lit up. 706 01:12:22,821 --> 01:12:24,478 And this was the prize. 707 01:12:26,618 --> 01:12:28,516 So the whole neighbourhood came. 708 01:12:28,930 --> 01:12:31,519 Because at this time, 709 01:12:31,554 --> 01:12:33,970 to have a Mercedes was something very special. 710 01:12:36,559 --> 01:12:39,907 Maybe. Anybody's life. 711 01:12:39,941 --> 01:12:42,081 Must, you must do something crazy. 712 01:12:47,259 --> 01:12:50,227 [OLAF]: Suzuki never did anything good 713 01:12:50,262 --> 01:12:53,092 or was big enough to compete. 714 01:12:53,127 --> 01:12:56,889 And from one year to the other with my father's help, 715 01:12:56,924 --> 01:12:59,616 they were at the top. Yeah, for years. 716 01:13:11,041 --> 01:13:13,112 [OLAF]: He was a friendly man 717 01:13:13,803 --> 01:13:16,115 and he got friends in Japan. 718 01:13:19,222 --> 01:13:22,501 He immediately started to learn a little bit of Japanese. 719 01:13:23,295 --> 01:13:24,952 Spoke a few words. 720 01:13:24,986 --> 01:13:28,162 And so he could communicate with them. Not only in English. 721 01:13:28,611 --> 01:13:30,475 And I think that made also a big difference. 722 01:13:33,098 --> 01:13:34,789 For Suzuki he was a hero. 723 01:13:35,790 --> 01:13:41,451 And I think Suzuki was a very big part of his life. 724 01:13:56,604 --> 01:13:58,088 [ROBB]: Speed is something that... 725 01:13:59,193 --> 01:14:02,438 once you've sampled it once, you want more of it. 726 01:14:05,889 --> 01:14:07,684 It's an addiction that you can't give up. 727 01:14:14,726 --> 01:14:17,245 In the '60s, we were probably losing... 728 01:14:18,108 --> 01:14:19,455 a rider every couple of months. 729 01:14:28,567 --> 01:14:30,155 [WALKER]: He gets to Suzuka... 730 01:14:32,191 --> 01:14:34,987 and crashed at a double right hander. 731 01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:39,267 [ERNST]: I had a very bad start 732 01:14:39,682 --> 01:14:42,685 and I had to risk a lot in the first lap 733 01:14:42,719 --> 01:14:44,065 to get the connection to the top. 734 01:14:46,378 --> 01:14:50,071 And it was on the second corner I went off the line 735 01:14:50,106 --> 01:14:52,660 and I hit with my head, I hit the ground. 736 01:14:55,698 --> 01:14:58,735 Your first instinct if you're a motorcycle racer 737 01:14:58,770 --> 01:15:00,047 or a car racer 738 01:15:00,081 --> 01:15:02,636 and you go off the course, is to rejoin it. 739 01:15:03,257 --> 01:15:06,916 You are taking part in the race against your rivals 740 01:15:06,950 --> 01:15:08,365 because you want to beat them. 741 01:15:08,400 --> 01:15:09,850 You want to win. 742 01:15:09,884 --> 01:15:12,853 That's the thing that's driving you all the time. 743 01:15:14,371 --> 01:15:16,235 [ERNST]: So I run up to the bike. 744 01:15:16,270 --> 01:15:17,754 I wanted to pick it up 745 01:15:17,996 --> 01:15:20,930 but the motorcycle inside the cover 746 01:15:20,964 --> 01:15:24,865 it was burning but I didn't see it. 747 01:15:24,899 --> 01:15:27,074 But when I start to pick up the motorbike, 748 01:15:27,108 --> 01:15:28,627 then I went unconscious. 749 01:15:28,662 --> 01:15:31,837 And then a big flame sprang into the tank. 750 01:15:31,872 --> 01:15:34,288 The tank exploded and that was the end. 751 01:15:35,876 --> 01:15:37,878 [PERRIS]: For Frank, that was the worst thing 752 01:15:37,912 --> 01:15:39,017 that he's ever seen. 753 01:15:40,087 --> 01:15:42,814 And so luckily the Japanese chap came over 754 01:15:42,848 --> 01:15:46,162 and the two of them pulled Ernst out of the fire. 755 01:15:58,001 --> 01:16:01,798 All he could remember is Ernst's face bubbling. 756 01:16:02,868 --> 01:16:04,905 Yeah, it was burning away, bubbling away. 757 01:16:07,666 --> 01:16:10,151 He was very, very badly burnt 758 01:16:10,773 --> 01:16:14,362 and had umpteen operations subsequently 759 01:16:15,156 --> 01:16:18,850 and was never the same again physically or mentally. 760 01:16:20,886 --> 01:16:22,025 [ROARING FLAMES] 761 01:16:24,959 --> 01:16:31,656 The transplants were sometimes accepted in a good state 762 01:16:32,380 --> 01:16:36,453 and sometimes the skin from somewhere else, 763 01:16:36,488 --> 01:16:38,110 I think from the back, 764 01:16:38,145 --> 01:16:41,182 didn't get accepted in the face 765 01:16:41,217 --> 01:16:45,359 and it was hard, for one year 766 01:16:45,773 --> 01:16:50,364 he was in the hospital to recover. 767 01:16:53,229 --> 01:16:56,750 [KRAFT]: 768 01:17:13,767 --> 01:17:16,666 [OLAF]: We moved to visit him every day. 769 01:17:16,701 --> 01:17:19,151 As a 3 or 4-year-old child 770 01:17:19,186 --> 01:17:21,291 I had to go every day to the hospital 771 01:17:21,326 --> 01:17:22,707 to visit my father. 772 01:17:28,229 --> 01:17:32,302 He doesn't have the perfect face for perfectionists anymore. 773 01:17:35,133 --> 01:17:36,479 He never got over this. 774 01:17:38,757 --> 01:17:41,173 And no wonder why depression came. 775 01:17:41,898 --> 01:17:44,038 And with depression comes everything else, yeah? 776 01:17:44,521 --> 01:17:50,493 Somehow you get hooked on drugs cos you can't help it anymore 777 01:17:50,527 --> 01:17:53,807 or whatever and you go deeper and deeper and deeper. 778 01:17:56,050 --> 01:17:58,881 From then on, although Degner won races, 779 01:17:59,813 --> 01:18:02,678 basically his life went downhill. 780 01:18:12,032 --> 01:18:15,414 [OLAF]: The competition is big. Young drivers are coming up. 781 01:18:15,932 --> 01:18:19,487 So you have to push right to the limit, 782 01:18:19,522 --> 01:18:22,076 and he had so many accidents. 783 01:18:23,250 --> 01:18:25,079 He broke his arm... 784 01:18:26,322 --> 01:18:28,048 I think 12 times. 785 01:18:28,082 --> 01:18:31,292 He showed me X-rays, so it was a mesh 786 01:18:32,293 --> 01:18:35,745 and he was saying they were putting some metal pieces inside 787 01:18:35,780 --> 01:18:37,402 to keep them straight 788 01:18:37,436 --> 01:18:39,749 and this must have hurt all the time. 789 01:18:41,061 --> 01:18:42,890 [PERRIS]: Things didn't work so well for Ernst 790 01:18:42,925 --> 01:18:44,409 with the bikes. 791 01:18:44,443 --> 01:18:46,963 You know, he was riding and it wasn't as good 792 01:18:46,998 --> 01:18:48,793 like he used to feel, 793 01:18:48,827 --> 01:18:50,553 you know, and all that sort of thing, 794 01:18:50,587 --> 01:18:53,556 he's always not quite as happy. 795 01:18:58,975 --> 01:19:02,254 He accused Gerda of looking at other men all the time. 796 01:19:02,289 --> 01:19:04,256 This is what broke up their marriage, 797 01:19:04,291 --> 01:19:07,501 because he then felt so insecure. 798 01:19:07,881 --> 01:19:10,504 You know, he's no longer good-looking 799 01:19:10,538 --> 01:19:12,782 so, you know, she's not... 800 01:19:12,817 --> 01:19:15,543 And it was the opposite. She would do anything for him. 801 01:19:21,377 --> 01:19:25,450 [OLAF]: She was always with us. For her, the family came first. 802 01:19:27,279 --> 01:19:31,214 But I could see that my parents start to separate 803 01:19:31,249 --> 01:19:32,595 more and more and more. 804 01:19:33,423 --> 01:19:36,254 And my mother was lacking quite a bit 805 01:19:36,288 --> 01:19:39,188 of him being away all the time. 806 01:19:40,189 --> 01:19:46,782 This I think was sometimes really hard on her. 807 01:19:51,131 --> 01:19:54,099 He was mostly of racing, I have to say. 808 01:19:55,894 --> 01:19:57,171 Yeah? 809 01:19:57,206 --> 01:20:00,209 It went to the point that his own dog 810 01:20:00,243 --> 01:20:02,832 didn't recognise him and was barking at him 811 01:20:02,867 --> 01:20:04,247 when he came home. 812 01:20:12,600 --> 01:20:14,499 He had a very tough childhood. 813 01:20:19,055 --> 01:20:23,197 And this is why probably he was missing this, 814 01:20:23,957 --> 01:20:28,616 holding together family part. Yeah? 815 01:20:33,104 --> 01:20:35,106 [ANDERSON]: Nothing seemed to go his way. 816 01:20:35,554 --> 01:20:38,212 He retained his place in the team for another year, 817 01:20:38,247 --> 01:20:40,387 but the following year, he was dropped. 818 01:20:41,388 --> 01:20:43,873 Because he wasn't riding well enough. 819 01:20:44,632 --> 01:20:46,496 They didn't need his knowledge anymore. 820 01:20:47,635 --> 01:20:49,051 Income was shrivelling up. 821 01:20:49,085 --> 01:20:51,260 The relationship with Gerda and Ernst 822 01:20:51,294 --> 01:20:52,537 had sort of gone. 823 01:20:53,710 --> 01:20:54,919 So he left. 824 01:21:10,486 --> 01:21:13,420 [OLAF]: At this time I saw my father less and less and less. 825 01:21:16,526 --> 01:21:18,632 He had his life and we had our life. 826 01:21:20,323 --> 01:21:24,534 And there was always a big gap in between. 827 01:21:25,328 --> 01:21:26,398 For years. 828 01:21:58,637 --> 01:22:01,468 [GENTLE SPANISH GUITAR MUSIC] 829 01:22:11,478 --> 01:22:14,412 He left Suzuki and he ended up in... 830 01:22:15,068 --> 01:22:17,587 doing all sorts of odd jobs 831 01:22:17,622 --> 01:22:20,694 including running a garage in Tenerife, 832 01:22:20,728 --> 01:22:21,591 I think it was. 833 01:22:28,081 --> 01:22:30,290 [OLAF]: After he spent almost everything 834 01:22:30,324 --> 01:22:33,569 he earned in his racing career, 835 01:22:33,603 --> 01:22:36,020 there was still some money left over. 836 01:22:36,054 --> 01:22:40,576 And so he tried to find a business he could do 837 01:22:40,610 --> 01:22:44,683 so that would give him some money easily. 838 01:22:47,238 --> 01:22:49,792 And there were some friends there 839 01:22:49,826 --> 01:22:51,725 wanted to sell rent-a-car. 840 01:22:53,278 --> 01:22:55,729 In the beginning he thought it's a good idea. 841 01:22:56,695 --> 01:23:00,561 He bought it and he tried to work it 842 01:23:00,596 --> 01:23:02,978 but he could see that this is not his business. 843 01:23:03,668 --> 01:23:04,807 His business was racing. 844 01:23:09,812 --> 01:23:16,094 And as he never had a real good contact to us later on, 845 01:23:16,129 --> 01:23:19,339 we also didn't know his state. 846 01:23:20,650 --> 01:23:22,169 Yeah? 847 01:23:22,204 --> 01:23:24,758 Because he was also a good actor. 848 01:23:25,241 --> 01:23:28,072 Acting nicely to everybody else, 849 01:23:28,106 --> 01:23:31,385 but then pulled back to be on his own. 850 01:23:34,492 --> 01:23:36,666 [GENTLE MUSIC] 851 01:23:46,435 --> 01:23:49,817 I have to say, he never asked the family to help him. 852 01:23:54,201 --> 01:23:58,309 I don't know why. Maybe he didn't trust us. 853 01:24:00,690 --> 01:24:02,727 Maybe he thought we couldn't help him. 854 01:24:04,763 --> 01:24:06,489 He wanted to go his way. 855 01:24:13,427 --> 01:24:15,153 He wanted to do it all by himself. 856 01:24:29,685 --> 01:24:31,238 He stayed in this apartment 857 01:24:31,273 --> 01:24:33,827 and we got these calls 858 01:24:33,861 --> 01:24:36,657 that he can't control his medicine 859 01:24:36,933 --> 01:24:40,937 and it is better when somebody is coming 860 01:24:40,972 --> 01:24:43,181 to check what he's doing. 861 01:24:43,906 --> 01:24:48,152 And as my mother was working and my brother as well 862 01:24:48,393 --> 01:24:54,641 and I was a student and I had holidays in the summer, 863 01:24:55,159 --> 01:25:00,681 it was me who got sent out to see how he is. 864 01:25:03,167 --> 01:25:04,616 So I came here 865 01:25:04,651 --> 01:25:07,861 and all I found was a dead body. 866 01:25:10,450 --> 01:25:11,451 I came too late. 867 01:25:29,641 --> 01:25:32,713 [GENTLE MUSIC THROUGHOUT] 868 01:26:35,259 --> 01:26:36,501 [MUSIC] 869 01:26:36,915 --> 01:26:39,401 [WALKER]: I think it's pretty fair to say that 870 01:26:39,435 --> 01:26:42,231 if Degner hadn't defected 871 01:26:42,611 --> 01:26:44,716 and taken his knowledge to Suzuki, 872 01:26:44,751 --> 01:26:49,307 as a result of which they were able to achieve racing success 873 01:26:49,963 --> 01:26:52,724 that it dramatically affected 874 01:26:52,759 --> 01:26:55,727 the whole worldwide motorcycle industry. 62465

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