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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:06,274 --> 00:00:09,243 ( MUSIC PLAYING ) 2 00:00:09,277 --> 00:00:12,280 ( BIRDS CHIRPING ) 3 00:00:13,847 --> 00:00:17,618 ( BACKGROUND CHATTER ) 4 00:00:17,651 --> 00:00:21,089 ROBIN: Going back to the campus, it didn't feel good. 5 00:00:22,356 --> 00:00:25,025 To me, that campus is--is all about sadness. 6 00:00:28,229 --> 00:00:31,099 ( BACKGROUND SHOUTING ) 7 00:00:33,834 --> 00:00:35,069 MIKE MORRIS: Here we are 8 00:00:35,103 --> 00:00:39,507 in a dormitory full of freshman college students 9 00:00:39,540 --> 00:00:41,642 in their firsthome-away-from-home. 10 00:00:43,711 --> 00:00:46,580 And they go to sleepon Monday night, 11 00:00:46,614 --> 00:00:50,718 the 18th of January, year 2000, 12 00:00:50,751 --> 00:00:54,255 and are dreaming their little 18 and 19-year-old dreams 13 00:00:54,288 --> 00:00:58,792 and not knowing,'cause they couldn't know, 14 00:00:58,826 --> 00:01:01,129 that they were about to face 15 00:01:01,162 --> 00:01:03,764 the first real crisisof their lives. 16 00:01:03,797 --> 00:01:06,066 Different students reacted in different ways. 17 00:01:07,601 --> 00:01:11,672 Some acted as cowards and some as heroes. 18 00:01:18,746 --> 00:01:19,713 It was just one night, 19 00:01:19,747 --> 00:01:21,081 it was just likeany other night 20 00:01:21,115 --> 00:01:25,353 and it changed drastically for a number of individuals, 21 00:01:25,386 --> 00:01:28,156 and that could happen tonight, that could happen tomorrow, 22 00:01:28,189 --> 00:01:29,790 that could happen any day. 23 00:01:31,559 --> 00:01:34,128 MIKE: No one who was involved in this case in any way 24 00:01:34,162 --> 00:01:35,729 will ever forget it. 25 00:01:35,763 --> 00:01:37,631 It is so senseless 26 00:01:37,665 --> 00:01:40,668 that it was an actof just pure stupidity 27 00:01:40,701 --> 00:01:42,303 and pure cowardice. 28 00:01:42,336 --> 00:01:44,538 JOE KAROL: Lord, we keep the anniversary 29 00:01:44,572 --> 00:01:49,843 of the death of our brothers, Frank, and John-- today. 30 00:01:50,911 --> 00:01:53,347 We pray for all thosewho were injured. 31 00:01:53,381 --> 00:01:56,250 CANDY KAROL: When Joe and I go to church every Sunday, 32 00:01:56,284 --> 00:01:59,187 and during church when you say the "Our Father," 33 00:01:59,220 --> 00:02:02,923 there's a part in there about forgiveness. 34 00:02:02,956 --> 00:02:05,826 I can't forgive themfor taking our son. 35 00:02:06,427 --> 00:02:07,695 ( HELICOPTER WHIRRING ) 36 00:02:07,728 --> 00:02:10,264 TV NEWS: The fire in a freshman dorm left three dead 37 00:02:10,298 --> 00:02:12,866 and sent 54 students to area hospitals. 38 00:02:12,900 --> 00:02:14,935 This is a--a huge tragedy. 39 00:02:14,968 --> 00:02:16,837 We don't know a whole lot yet. 40 00:02:16,870 --> 00:02:18,539 TV NEWS: Investigators say the fire started 41 00:02:18,572 --> 00:02:21,342 at about 4:30 this morning on the third floor 42 00:02:21,375 --> 00:02:23,544 of the commons area of a freshman dorm 43 00:02:23,577 --> 00:02:24,712 called Boland Hall. 44 00:02:24,745 --> 00:02:26,814 ( SIRENS WAILING ) 45 00:02:26,847 --> 00:02:32,286 I remember getting the calland it's burned into my memory. 46 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:33,921 ( SIRENS WAILING ) 47 00:02:33,954 --> 00:02:34,888 I can't remember, like, 48 00:02:34,922 --> 00:02:38,859 trying to sit up on a gurneyand look around. 49 00:02:38,892 --> 00:02:39,927 I... 50 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:42,162 ( CRYING ) 51 00:02:44,698 --> 00:02:46,200 ( SIRENS WAILING ) 52 00:02:46,234 --> 00:02:48,202 I was looking for Frank. 53 00:02:48,236 --> 00:02:49,803 I figured he got out. 54 00:03:13,361 --> 00:03:14,127 ROBIN GABY FISHER: Shawn and Alvaro 55 00:03:14,161 --> 00:03:15,929 had only known each other a-- 56 00:03:15,963 --> 00:03:19,433 a few weeks when the fire took place. 57 00:03:19,467 --> 00:03:20,801 They didn't havea whole lot in common 58 00:03:20,834 --> 00:03:21,702 except for their backgrounds. 59 00:03:21,735 --> 00:03:24,905 Both were from New Jerseyinner cities, 60 00:03:24,938 --> 00:03:28,542 both were from lived-in families, 61 00:03:28,576 --> 00:03:29,710 underprivileged neighborhoods 62 00:03:29,743 --> 00:03:32,380 with families who struggled to meet ends, 63 00:03:32,413 --> 00:03:35,449 and they were assigned to room together. 64 00:03:36,550 --> 00:03:39,987 ( SPEAKING SPANISH ) 65 00:03:41,455 --> 00:03:42,590 ROBIN: Both Shawn and Alvaro 66 00:03:42,623 --> 00:03:44,725 were the first in their families to go to college. 67 00:03:44,758 --> 00:03:46,960 Neither could afford college 68 00:03:46,994 --> 00:03:50,598 and they really struggled to help their boys get there. 69 00:03:55,002 --> 00:03:56,970 Shawn was raised by a single mother 70 00:03:57,004 --> 00:04:00,474 whose dream, she told him from when he was a little boy, 71 00:04:00,508 --> 00:04:03,744 was that he go to college and have a college experience. 72 00:04:07,515 --> 00:04:10,351 Alvaro's parents came here from Colombia. 73 00:04:10,384 --> 00:04:13,020 They spoke very little English. 74 00:04:13,053 --> 00:04:14,722 SHANY LLANOS: Me and my brother were very close. 75 00:04:14,755 --> 00:04:17,791 He was into sportsas well as I was, so we were-- 76 00:04:17,825 --> 00:04:21,028 we had a very, like,a lot of things in common. 77 00:04:21,061 --> 00:04:24,332 I have always felt that my brother and my mom 78 00:04:24,365 --> 00:04:27,401 had been the family strength. 79 00:04:27,435 --> 00:04:30,871 I couldn't even imaginemy life without my brother. 80 00:04:36,109 --> 00:04:39,647 SHAWN: January 18th, 2000 81 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:44,552 was just a regular, normal night on Seton Hall's campus. 82 00:04:44,585 --> 00:04:45,819 I know there was a big basketball game 83 00:04:45,853 --> 00:04:48,389 going on off campus. 84 00:04:49,790 --> 00:04:50,991 SHAWN: St. John's was, like, 85 00:04:51,024 --> 00:04:55,429 our rival basketball competitors and we beat St. John's, 86 00:04:55,463 --> 00:04:57,465 and we hadn't done so in a couple of years. 87 00:04:57,498 --> 00:05:00,033 The whole campus was just, you know, full of excitement 88 00:05:00,067 --> 00:05:03,537 and feelin' real good that we had conquered our rivals. 89 00:05:03,571 --> 00:05:04,472 It's college, you know. 90 00:05:04,505 --> 00:05:05,906 We're havin' fun, you know. 91 00:05:05,939 --> 00:05:08,809 People play music all night and run up and down the halls 92 00:05:08,842 --> 00:05:12,613 and so it definitely seemed like a regular school night to us. 93 00:05:12,646 --> 00:05:13,814 ALVARO LLANOS: It was getting late 94 00:05:13,847 --> 00:05:15,449 and I decided I needed to study for a class, 95 00:05:15,483 --> 00:05:16,950 for a calculus class. 96 00:05:16,984 --> 00:05:19,687 I went back to my dorm and, you know, started studying 97 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:21,989 and ended up falling asleep with my book open. 98 00:05:22,022 --> 00:05:23,757 I still had my clothes on. 99 00:05:27,495 --> 00:05:32,400 The dormitorywas these freshmen's 100 00:05:32,433 --> 00:05:33,967 first home away from home 101 00:05:34,001 --> 00:05:38,071 and the presumption is that they'll be safe, 102 00:05:38,105 --> 00:05:40,841 and the reality was that they weren't. 103 00:05:43,010 --> 00:05:46,046 ( CRICKETS CHIRPING ) 104 00:05:51,519 --> 00:05:53,821 ( BIRD CAWING ) 105 00:05:56,757 --> 00:05:58,125 ( FIRE ALARM BELL ) 106 00:05:58,158 --> 00:06:00,428 SHAWN: It was about 4:30 in the morning. 107 00:06:00,461 --> 00:06:02,396 I heard the alarms going off in the building 108 00:06:02,430 --> 00:06:07,100 and just kind of casually got up and said, you know, 109 00:06:07,134 --> 00:06:08,168 "It's another false alarm." 110 00:06:08,201 --> 00:06:12,440 As I approached the door and opened it... 111 00:06:12,473 --> 00:06:13,941 a big cloud of smoke came through 112 00:06:13,974 --> 00:06:15,909 and it just kind of like smacked me in the face 113 00:06:15,943 --> 00:06:18,512 and I turned around and looked at Al and said, 114 00:06:18,546 --> 00:06:20,614 said, you know, "This is-- this is the real deal." 115 00:06:20,648 --> 00:06:22,616 If anyoneentered that hallway, 116 00:06:22,650 --> 00:06:25,586 regardless if they werelow to the floor or not, 117 00:06:25,619 --> 00:06:26,954 they were in serious trouble. 118 00:06:26,987 --> 00:06:30,090 ALVARO LLANOS: I remember him being in front of me until, 119 00:06:30,123 --> 00:06:32,726 like, a couple seconds later, he disappeared. 120 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:33,994 SHAWN: I couldn't see anything. 121 00:06:34,027 --> 00:06:35,863 I started to feel the heat. 122 00:06:35,896 --> 00:06:37,698 It just was excruciating. 123 00:06:39,500 --> 00:06:40,634 ALVARO: The heat was so hot that, 124 00:06:40,668 --> 00:06:42,035 you know, it was burning-- 125 00:06:42,069 --> 00:06:44,605 you felt it burning your skin and your hair and I was-- 126 00:06:44,638 --> 00:06:45,539 I was scared for my life. 127 00:06:45,573 --> 00:06:47,107 As soon as I got to the doorway, 128 00:06:47,140 --> 00:06:50,544 I felt like a big patch like a fireball... 129 00:06:50,578 --> 00:06:52,513 I guess a ceiling part was falling 130 00:06:52,546 --> 00:06:53,647 and it fell on my back. 131 00:06:53,681 --> 00:06:56,083 That's when I ended up catching on fire. 132 00:07:03,657 --> 00:07:06,727 ( SIRENS WAILING ) 133 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:09,830 As we're pulling uptowards Boland Hall, 134 00:07:09,863 --> 00:07:13,033 I see it wasall these students 135 00:07:13,066 --> 00:07:16,504 actually physically runningaway from the building. 136 00:07:16,537 --> 00:07:18,939 It was almost like maybe there was a shooter there. 137 00:07:18,972 --> 00:07:22,643 That's why the panic in these kids', students', faces. 138 00:07:22,676 --> 00:07:26,714 There's kids in all the windows hanging out the windows 139 00:07:26,747 --> 00:07:31,018 and dark, black smoke comin' out from over their heads. 140 00:07:31,051 --> 00:07:31,985 ROBIN: The fire was raging 141 00:07:32,019 --> 00:07:33,320 and Angie, Alvaro's girlfriend, 142 00:07:33,353 --> 00:07:36,790 lived on first floor and all she could think about is, 143 00:07:36,824 --> 00:07:39,593 "Where is he? Where is he?" 144 00:07:39,627 --> 00:07:41,962 And other students were trying to pull her out 145 00:07:41,995 --> 00:07:44,131 because the fire was closing in. 146 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:48,201 The only thing that got her out of there 147 00:07:48,235 --> 00:07:53,741 was suddenly this boy, who she described as just black 148 00:07:53,774 --> 00:07:55,643 and didn't even look human, 149 00:07:55,676 --> 00:07:58,879 started rolling down the stairs who was on fire 150 00:07:58,912 --> 00:08:01,915 and she became so terrifiedshe didn't know at that moment 151 00:08:01,949 --> 00:08:03,784 that that was her boyfriend. 152 00:08:05,018 --> 00:08:06,920 CAPTAIN O'CONNOR: We're making our way in. 153 00:08:06,954 --> 00:08:10,591 This student is coming out and I could not tell you 154 00:08:10,624 --> 00:08:13,193 if it was a boy or a girl, 155 00:08:13,226 --> 00:08:17,230 completely burnt, smoking, no hair, 156 00:08:17,264 --> 00:08:19,733 their face was completely blackened. 157 00:08:19,767 --> 00:08:22,102 I cannot imaginehow these kids made it. 158 00:08:23,671 --> 00:08:25,939 MIKE: Parents were flocking to the campus 159 00:08:25,973 --> 00:08:27,908 to find their children 160 00:08:27,941 --> 00:08:31,311 because they knew by this time that there had been deaths 161 00:08:31,344 --> 00:08:34,247 but they didn't know who had died. 162 00:08:34,281 --> 00:08:36,617 Parents wanted to put their hands on their children 163 00:08:36,650 --> 00:08:38,686 to know that they were not the dead, 164 00:08:38,719 --> 00:08:40,153 that they were still alive. 165 00:08:40,187 --> 00:08:41,521 CHRISTINE SIMONS: Well, when I heard 166 00:08:41,555 --> 00:08:44,958 that three had died already and I couldn't find Shawn, 167 00:08:44,992 --> 00:08:46,594 that's when I really got scared 168 00:08:46,627 --> 00:08:48,095 and started crying and everything. 169 00:08:48,128 --> 00:08:51,164 When I went and asked the residence assistants 170 00:08:51,198 --> 00:08:54,301 about Shawn Simons and the way he said, 171 00:08:54,334 --> 00:08:57,204 "Oh, yes. Ken Simons," I screamed. 172 00:08:57,237 --> 00:08:58,305 I guess I was beginning to 173 00:08:58,338 --> 00:09:00,540 really to startthinkin' the worst. 174 00:09:08,081 --> 00:09:10,283 MIKE: Parents were-- were lined, I believe, 175 00:09:10,317 --> 00:09:11,619 behind a rope line 176 00:09:11,652 --> 00:09:14,287 and one of the parents of one of the boys who'd died 177 00:09:14,321 --> 00:09:16,824 had been with his son the night before 178 00:09:16,857 --> 00:09:18,158 at a basketball game 179 00:09:18,191 --> 00:09:21,228 and knew that his son was wearing a certain t-shirt 180 00:09:21,261 --> 00:09:23,030 with a pattern on the front. 181 00:09:23,063 --> 00:09:25,799 Jeffrey Cartwright of the Prosecutor's Office, 182 00:09:25,833 --> 00:09:27,701 who was leading the investigation, 183 00:09:27,735 --> 00:09:31,171 was emerging from the Medical Examiner's Office, 184 00:09:31,204 --> 00:09:34,074 when the fatherof one of the boys called out, 185 00:09:34,107 --> 00:09:36,744 desperate for information,desperate to know whether 186 00:09:36,777 --> 00:09:38,746 one of the dead were--was his son, 187 00:09:38,779 --> 00:09:39,980 "Did he have a certain-- 188 00:09:40,013 --> 00:09:42,750 this certain patternon his t-shirt?" 189 00:09:42,783 --> 00:09:46,286 And Cartwright,he flinched at that 190 00:09:46,319 --> 00:09:47,487 and regretted doing it, 191 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:52,626 for at that moment, the father fell to his knees... 192 00:09:52,660 --> 00:09:54,728 and said,"My life is over." 193 00:10:00,668 --> 00:10:02,636 And to a certain degree,it was. 194 00:10:24,992 --> 00:10:26,794 ( RADIO CHATTER ) 195 00:10:26,827 --> 00:10:30,330 ROBIN: This was the worst catastrophe 196 00:10:30,363 --> 00:10:31,398 on the largest scale 197 00:10:31,431 --> 00:10:33,667 that St. Barnabas had ever handled. 198 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:50,217 In the emergency room, kids were crying, 199 00:10:50,250 --> 00:10:51,885 parents were screaming, 200 00:10:51,919 --> 00:10:53,420 nurses were crying, 201 00:10:53,453 --> 00:10:54,788 doctors were shouting orders. 202 00:10:54,822 --> 00:10:58,692 It may have been organized, but it was absolute chaos. 203 00:10:58,726 --> 00:11:00,761 EILEEN GEHRINGER: Just the sheer amount of numbers 204 00:11:00,794 --> 00:11:04,331 of students that I sawthat were waiting to be seen, 205 00:11:04,364 --> 00:11:06,366 covered in soot, crying, 206 00:11:06,399 --> 00:11:08,401 parents looking for their children, 207 00:11:08,435 --> 00:11:11,872 the volume of people that were milling around. 208 00:11:12,873 --> 00:11:14,041 Well, when the doctorsand the nurses 209 00:11:14,074 --> 00:11:15,876 first saw Shawn and Alvaro, 210 00:11:15,909 --> 00:11:20,180 they knew that these werecritically burned children 211 00:11:20,213 --> 00:11:21,248 who were near death. 212 00:11:21,281 --> 00:11:23,917 Both of themhad large injuries, 213 00:11:23,951 --> 00:11:24,952 third-degree burns. 214 00:11:24,985 --> 00:11:27,154 Both of them had smoke inhalation. 215 00:11:27,187 --> 00:11:29,422 ROBIN: They came into the emergency room, 216 00:11:29,456 --> 00:11:31,358 teams descended on them, 217 00:11:31,391 --> 00:11:33,927 and everything had to work so fast 218 00:11:33,961 --> 00:11:36,129 that there wasn't even time to grab a piece of paper. 219 00:11:36,163 --> 00:11:39,466 One nurse literally was writing Alvaro's condition 220 00:11:39,499 --> 00:11:41,902 on her-- on her scrubs. 221 00:11:41,935 --> 00:11:43,303 DR. HANI MANSOUR: Well, they were in distress. 222 00:11:43,336 --> 00:11:46,506 They were thrashing,they were in pain, 223 00:11:46,539 --> 00:11:48,942 they didn't knowexactly what happened 224 00:11:48,976 --> 00:11:50,844 and if they aregoing to survive. 225 00:11:50,878 --> 00:11:53,814 Shawn was absolutelyfighting for breath. 226 00:11:53,847 --> 00:11:56,016 He had severesmoke inhalation. 227 00:11:56,049 --> 00:11:58,919 ROBIN: There were doctors and nurses laying across him, 228 00:11:58,952 --> 00:12:00,287 holding him down; 229 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:03,090 others were trying to shove this tube down his throat 230 00:12:03,123 --> 00:12:06,393 so he could breathe before his throat closed up 231 00:12:06,426 --> 00:12:08,228 and he couldn't breathe, 232 00:12:08,261 --> 00:12:12,299 and as a result there was bloodjust flying everywhere, 233 00:12:12,332 --> 00:12:14,034 and he was fighting them 234 00:12:14,067 --> 00:12:15,268 and they were trying to hold him down, 235 00:12:15,302 --> 00:12:17,838 and it was really a matter of life and death. 236 00:12:17,871 --> 00:12:19,940 DR. MANSOUR: Alvaro was the worst-looking one. 237 00:12:19,973 --> 00:12:21,141 Al, from the beginning, 238 00:12:21,174 --> 00:12:22,976 we didn't think that he was going to make it. 239 00:12:23,010 --> 00:12:24,177 CHRIS RUHREN: Al's skin 240 00:12:24,211 --> 00:12:26,313 was opening in second and third degree burns. 241 00:12:26,346 --> 00:12:31,118 His skin was off of his face, his arms, his chest, his legs. 242 00:12:31,151 --> 00:12:34,221 Essentially a person's bodyis melting away from them. 243 00:12:34,254 --> 00:12:35,889 ROBIN: There were nurses in tears 244 00:12:35,923 --> 00:12:39,026 when they saw Alvaro especially. 245 00:12:39,059 --> 00:12:41,294 There was one nurse who went out to meet him 246 00:12:41,328 --> 00:12:43,797 and touched his head and said she felt like 247 00:12:43,831 --> 00:12:46,066 that would be the last touchhe ever felt 248 00:12:46,099 --> 00:12:48,201 because she didn't thinkhe'd probably even make it 249 00:12:48,235 --> 00:12:49,937 out of the emergency room. 250 00:12:49,970 --> 00:12:52,105 Shawn, his hands were charred 251 00:12:52,139 --> 00:12:54,007 and you could just see the bone. 252 00:12:54,041 --> 00:12:55,375 They thought right away 253 00:12:55,408 --> 00:12:58,145 that his hands might have to be amputated that very first day 254 00:12:58,178 --> 00:13:00,313 and they were fightingto save his hands. 255 00:13:00,347 --> 00:13:02,515 CHRIS: It's really "are they going to make it through this" 256 00:13:02,549 --> 00:13:05,052 and how do you convey that message to their family, 257 00:13:05,085 --> 00:13:07,120 that they were healthy just five minutes ago 258 00:13:07,154 --> 00:13:09,022 and now they're on death's door. 259 00:13:14,627 --> 00:13:18,398 CHRISTINE: And I'm thinkin', once I get up to the hospital, 260 00:13:18,431 --> 00:13:20,400 I'm gonna see Shawn sitting up in a chair 261 00:13:20,433 --> 00:13:24,838 with a sheet wrapped around him waiting to see the doctor. 262 00:13:24,872 --> 00:13:27,474 So, I'm still notthinking the worst. 263 00:13:27,507 --> 00:13:31,311 I'm just thinking that I've justgot to have time to see him. 264 00:13:31,344 --> 00:13:32,412 Mrs. Simons was-- 265 00:13:32,445 --> 00:13:35,482 was brought in to see Shawnearly on before he was-- 266 00:13:35,515 --> 00:13:36,349 he was wrapped up. 267 00:13:36,383 --> 00:13:37,384 CHRISTINE: He was connected up 268 00:13:37,417 --> 00:13:39,619 with all these plugs and everything, 269 00:13:39,652 --> 00:13:41,989 but I went over and I start talking to him, 270 00:13:42,022 --> 00:13:44,191 but he didn't respond to me. 271 00:13:44,224 --> 00:13:47,227 I rubbed his head,and when I rubbed his head, 272 00:13:47,260 --> 00:13:49,863 all of the hairjust fell off on the pillow, 273 00:13:49,897 --> 00:13:50,663 all of his curls. 274 00:13:50,697 --> 00:13:52,900 He had beautiful, curly hair. 275 00:13:57,137 --> 00:14:00,073 All of a sudden, I start feeling dizzy. 276 00:14:00,107 --> 00:14:01,608 They had to put me in the bed for awhile, 277 00:14:01,641 --> 00:14:03,343 give me medication. 278 00:14:03,376 --> 00:14:05,212 I panicked.Yes, I did. 279 00:14:05,245 --> 00:14:06,246 Yes, I did. 280 00:14:15,288 --> 00:14:17,590 EILEEN: Al's condition was worse than-- 281 00:14:17,624 --> 00:14:20,560 than Shawn's as far as the amount of surface area 282 00:14:20,593 --> 00:14:21,561 that was burned. 283 00:14:21,594 --> 00:14:23,530 It was obvious, you know, he just, 284 00:14:23,563 --> 00:14:27,034 from head to toe there wasgoing to be such disfigurement. 285 00:14:28,936 --> 00:14:31,371 SHIRLEY LLANOS: I went in and my mom was like, 286 00:14:31,404 --> 00:14:32,940 "We're not going to cry," 287 00:14:32,973 --> 00:14:34,641 because he could probably hear us. 288 00:14:34,674 --> 00:14:36,609 You can't cry. 289 00:14:36,643 --> 00:14:40,613 And I rememberthat when my dad fell, 290 00:14:40,647 --> 00:14:44,484 he fell on his kneesand he just started sobbing, 291 00:14:44,517 --> 00:14:47,054 and then I just started sobbing, 292 00:14:47,087 --> 00:14:50,490 and then my mom was telling us to please, like, you know, 293 00:14:50,523 --> 00:14:53,426 get out of the room because he could hear us. 294 00:14:53,460 --> 00:14:57,497 It was really difficult for meespecially because, you know, 295 00:14:57,530 --> 00:14:59,532 that was my younger brother. 296 00:15:01,601 --> 00:15:05,238 ( SPEAKING SPANISH ) 297 00:15:18,251 --> 00:15:21,188 ( SIRENS WAILING ) 298 00:15:22,755 --> 00:15:25,392 TV NEWS: The fire in a freshman dorm left three dead 299 00:15:25,425 --> 00:15:28,061 and sent 54 students to area hospitals. 300 00:15:28,095 --> 00:15:29,262 Investigators say the fire started 301 00:15:29,296 --> 00:15:31,965 at about 4:30 this morning on the third floor 302 00:15:31,999 --> 00:15:34,367 of the commons area of a freshman dorm 303 00:15:34,401 --> 00:15:35,702 called Boland Hall. 304 00:15:35,735 --> 00:15:38,138 Firefighters found two of the deceased in this area. 305 00:15:38,171 --> 00:15:40,607 A third victim was found in one of the rooms. 306 00:15:41,574 --> 00:15:43,543 Yeah, this is 2-1-4responding to Seton Hall... 307 00:15:43,576 --> 00:15:44,711 I remember getting the call. 308 00:15:44,744 --> 00:15:48,281 It was probably approximatelyabout five in the morning 309 00:15:48,315 --> 00:15:51,084 and they advised me that there was a dormitory fire 310 00:15:51,118 --> 00:15:52,519 at Seton Hall. 311 00:15:52,552 --> 00:15:56,189 They didn't have many details so basically I got my gear, 312 00:15:56,223 --> 00:15:57,690 I hopped in my vehicle, 313 00:15:57,724 --> 00:16:00,193 and started driving towards the scene. 314 00:16:03,496 --> 00:16:06,099 As we started walking down the hall, it kind of, 315 00:16:06,133 --> 00:16:07,767 you know, looked like a bombed-out building. 316 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:10,170 There was pieces of ceiling tiles, 317 00:16:10,203 --> 00:16:14,774 ceiling frames, wiring, just dark soot still, 318 00:16:14,807 --> 00:16:17,410 the layer of smoke in the air. 319 00:16:17,444 --> 00:16:19,279 Black, charred devastation. 320 00:16:19,312 --> 00:16:21,514 All fire scenes are--are the same. 321 00:16:21,548 --> 00:16:24,417 They're justcarbonized holes. 322 00:16:25,785 --> 00:16:30,290 JOHN FRUCCI: It was tremendously hot and still smoky. 323 00:16:30,323 --> 00:16:34,227 I remember almost searing my hair 324 00:16:34,261 --> 00:16:36,263 as I gravitated towards the lounge. 325 00:16:36,296 --> 00:16:38,498 The victims were not removed when I got there. 326 00:16:38,531 --> 00:16:40,800 They were still in place where they were. 327 00:16:40,833 --> 00:16:42,769 MIKE: One of the three students that died, 328 00:16:42,802 --> 00:16:44,237 he was discovered. 329 00:16:44,271 --> 00:16:46,439 There was an outline of where he lay 330 00:16:46,473 --> 00:16:52,479 as the soot from the fire settled after he fell 331 00:16:52,512 --> 00:16:56,783 and there is, in this haunting photo, 332 00:16:56,816 --> 00:17:00,153 just the outline of a young life lost 333 00:17:00,187 --> 00:17:02,689 and it's ghostlike. 334 00:17:05,258 --> 00:17:07,460 JOHN: When you do a-- a fire investigation, 335 00:17:07,494 --> 00:17:09,629 you startfrom the least damaged 336 00:17:09,662 --> 00:17:11,364 and then you goto the most damaged. 337 00:17:11,398 --> 00:17:14,301 MIKE: There were three heavily wood-framed sofas 338 00:17:14,334 --> 00:17:18,305 in that dormitory, and of the three, 339 00:17:18,338 --> 00:17:22,209 the couch on the west wall had heavier burn damage, 340 00:17:22,242 --> 00:17:25,745 more charring than either of the other two, 341 00:17:25,778 --> 00:17:28,181 so they workedon the presumption 342 00:17:28,215 --> 00:17:29,782 that that wasthe point of origin 343 00:17:29,816 --> 00:17:31,050 and they began their work there. 344 00:17:31,084 --> 00:17:36,156 It was treated like an archeological excavation, 345 00:17:36,189 --> 00:17:40,127 that they removed debris layer-by-layer, 346 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:43,396 sort and sift each layer as they go. 347 00:17:43,430 --> 00:17:45,798 JOHN: We ruled out a lot of accidental causes, 348 00:17:45,832 --> 00:17:49,236 so that left, to me, two causes: 349 00:17:49,269 --> 00:17:53,106 either smoldering cigaretteor an intentionally-set fire. 350 00:17:53,140 --> 00:17:54,107 CHIEF JEFF MARKEY: There was a disturbance 351 00:17:54,141 --> 00:17:55,775 right before this fire, 352 00:17:55,808 --> 00:17:59,112 so I was suspicious immediately. 353 00:17:59,146 --> 00:18:00,713 We locked this down. 354 00:18:00,747 --> 00:18:04,584 Whoever set this fire, if it was indeed arson, 355 00:18:04,617 --> 00:18:06,719 that we were going toprotect this evidence 356 00:18:06,753 --> 00:18:08,555 and we were going to make surethat somebody 357 00:18:08,588 --> 00:18:10,490 was going to be heldaccountable for this. 358 00:18:20,867 --> 00:18:23,903 ROBIN: The parents on that first night 359 00:18:23,936 --> 00:18:28,408 just wanted any information, anything about their boys. 360 00:18:28,441 --> 00:18:29,409 Would they live? 361 00:18:29,442 --> 00:18:30,677 Would they die? 362 00:18:30,710 --> 00:18:33,446 And Dr. Mansour said that he felt at such a loss 363 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:35,415 because he--he just couldn't tell them 364 00:18:35,448 --> 00:18:39,486 whether they'd live or die,and in fact he thought they-- 365 00:18:39,519 --> 00:18:41,688 they both may well notmake it through the night. 366 00:18:46,459 --> 00:18:47,894 Well, there was a little waiting room 367 00:18:47,927 --> 00:18:49,829 outside of the Burn ICU. 368 00:18:49,862 --> 00:18:53,533 Mrs. Llanos in particular would just stare at the clock 369 00:18:53,566 --> 00:18:55,302 and it would seem,she would say, 370 00:18:55,335 --> 00:18:57,704 as if the clock never moved. 371 00:19:00,973 --> 00:19:03,276 SHIRLEY: She would sit in the waiting room for hours. 372 00:19:03,310 --> 00:19:04,944 If they were doing treatment on him, 373 00:19:04,977 --> 00:19:06,813 she was always there,always there 374 00:19:06,846 --> 00:19:09,916 and it was like as if timewas just standing still. 375 00:19:09,949 --> 00:19:12,619 But it's liketime's not going anywhere. 376 00:19:12,652 --> 00:19:14,321 It's like I'm stuck. 377 00:19:14,354 --> 00:19:16,389 The hand is stuck on a certain time 378 00:19:16,423 --> 00:19:17,890 and it's not moving 379 00:19:17,924 --> 00:19:19,125 because there's nothing you can do 380 00:19:19,158 --> 00:19:23,296 but just sit there and wait and wait and wait. 381 00:19:33,473 --> 00:19:35,875 ( BEEPING ) 382 00:19:44,417 --> 00:19:48,255 ( CLOCK TICKING ) 383 00:19:52,925 --> 00:19:54,727 ROBIN: The very first thing they do 384 00:19:54,761 --> 00:19:59,599 is take these burned patients into the tank room which-- 385 00:19:59,632 --> 00:20:02,469 which patients callthe torture chamber. 386 00:20:05,738 --> 00:20:07,540 They did explain to usthe tank room 387 00:20:07,574 --> 00:20:10,610 and how it's scalingoff the skin and-- 388 00:20:10,643 --> 00:20:12,479 and I mean,I couldn't even imagine 389 00:20:12,512 --> 00:20:14,347 how painful it would be. 390 00:20:15,382 --> 00:20:17,950 ( SPEAKING SPANISH ) 391 00:20:23,723 --> 00:20:24,991 ROY BOND: It's gotta be like you're handcuffed 392 00:20:25,024 --> 00:20:26,959 or duct-tapedinto a situation 393 00:20:26,993 --> 00:20:28,928 that you can'tget yourself out of. 394 00:20:28,961 --> 00:20:32,399 They're not able to say,"I'm in pain, please stop." 395 00:20:32,432 --> 00:20:33,733 You have to clean these wounds. 396 00:20:33,766 --> 00:20:36,369 You have to see how extensive they-- they are burned. 397 00:20:36,403 --> 00:20:39,872 The most sufferingis during the scrubbing. 398 00:20:39,906 --> 00:20:42,609 This is where the suffering-- this is where-- 399 00:20:42,642 --> 00:20:43,610 what we have the-- 400 00:20:43,643 --> 00:20:46,346 the "silent scream" that occurs. 401 00:20:46,379 --> 00:20:48,815 ROBIN: I actually saw Alvaro at one point, 402 00:20:48,848 --> 00:20:50,082 in a deep coma, 403 00:20:50,116 --> 00:20:52,985 and I actually watched one timewhen he-- he went like that. 404 00:20:53,019 --> 00:20:54,521 He still felt the pain. 405 00:20:54,554 --> 00:20:55,622 ( BEEPING ) 406 00:20:55,655 --> 00:20:58,691 It is a brutal, brutal place. 407 00:20:58,725 --> 00:21:00,693 If we give themtoo much painkillers, 408 00:21:00,727 --> 00:21:02,962 then we have to dealwith the complications 409 00:21:02,995 --> 00:21:04,331 related to the painkillers. 410 00:21:04,364 --> 00:21:05,398 They are toxic. 411 00:21:05,432 --> 00:21:06,833 So, even though he was heavily sedated, 412 00:21:06,866 --> 00:21:08,267 he was still there. 413 00:21:08,301 --> 00:21:13,272 He was still aware, in a way, without being able to react. 414 00:21:15,007 --> 00:21:16,776 EILEEN: When you would turn Shawn or Al, 415 00:21:16,809 --> 00:21:18,678 or you would do something that was unpleasant, 416 00:21:18,711 --> 00:21:21,047 they would bite down on the end of the tracheal tube 417 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:23,850 that was keeping them alive and you'd just know 418 00:21:23,883 --> 00:21:24,984 that they want to tell you something 419 00:21:25,017 --> 00:21:27,687 and you know this is what you have to do, 420 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:29,556 this is your job, but you just constantly say, 421 00:21:29,589 --> 00:21:31,324 "I'm so sorry.I'm so sorry," you know, 422 00:21:31,358 --> 00:21:34,561 and you're just using4X4 gauze and-- 423 00:21:34,594 --> 00:21:37,864 but to them it feels like a,oh, steel-wire brush. 424 00:21:40,032 --> 00:21:41,000 DR. MANSOUR: Sometimes, you know, 425 00:21:41,033 --> 00:21:42,201 when you are doing the work 426 00:21:42,234 --> 00:21:44,103 and you are concentrating on the work, you-- 427 00:21:44,136 --> 00:21:48,541 you forget that you have a human being there, 428 00:21:48,575 --> 00:21:51,444 and this is where we have toalways remind ourselves that, 429 00:21:51,478 --> 00:21:54,347 "Just a moment.Are we really hurting him? 430 00:21:54,381 --> 00:21:56,683 Did he get enough sedation?" 431 00:21:56,716 --> 00:21:59,752 ( BEEPING ) 432 00:22:09,028 --> 00:22:12,098 ROBIN: For three months, Alvaro just lay in a coma. 433 00:22:12,131 --> 00:22:13,466 He was wrapped like a mummy. 434 00:22:13,500 --> 00:22:15,435 All you could seewere his eyes 435 00:22:15,468 --> 00:22:17,103 and his fingertipsand his toes. 436 00:22:17,136 --> 00:22:19,939 ( SPEAKING SPANISH ) 437 00:22:31,884 --> 00:22:33,453 We essentially take awayyour whole identity 438 00:22:33,486 --> 00:22:34,887 when you come inas a burn patient, 439 00:22:34,921 --> 00:22:37,957 so we are breathing for you, we are giving you your fluids, 440 00:22:37,990 --> 00:22:39,559 we are making sure your heart is beating 441 00:22:39,592 --> 00:22:41,561 the way we want it to; 442 00:22:41,594 --> 00:22:42,762 we are making sure you are putting out 443 00:22:42,795 --> 00:22:43,696 what we need you to put out, 444 00:22:43,730 --> 00:22:47,099 so you pretty muchhave no control anymore. 445 00:22:47,133 --> 00:22:48,835 We are in controlof your body. 446 00:22:48,868 --> 00:22:51,938 ( SPEAKING SPANISH ) 447 00:22:51,971 --> 00:22:53,039 SHANY: It became extremely difficult 448 00:22:53,072 --> 00:22:55,675 for my mom because she became desperate 449 00:22:55,708 --> 00:22:57,109 and wanted to see something from him, 450 00:22:57,143 --> 00:23:00,413 some type of movement,a blink of an eye, 451 00:23:00,447 --> 00:23:01,981 just to know that--that he was okay. 452 00:23:02,014 --> 00:23:03,816 SHIRLEY: My mom, she was very strong, 453 00:23:03,850 --> 00:23:05,652 but she did not want to leave his side 454 00:23:05,685 --> 00:23:08,154 because in casehe would open his eyes, 455 00:23:08,187 --> 00:23:10,423 she wanted to be there. 456 00:23:10,457 --> 00:23:13,793 ( BEEPING ) 457 00:23:13,826 --> 00:23:16,796 ROBIN: These mothers just would sit 458 00:23:16,829 --> 00:23:20,567 by their children's bedside for weeks without knowing 459 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:25,104 whether they were going towatch their child die. 460 00:23:25,137 --> 00:23:27,440 ( BEEPING ) 461 00:23:27,474 --> 00:23:28,808 CHRISTINE: You hear all these sounds 462 00:23:28,841 --> 00:23:31,110 and everything of the buzzers 463 00:23:31,143 --> 00:23:33,913 of everything that's going onand whatnot 464 00:23:33,946 --> 00:23:37,116 and then they would take him out of the room. 465 00:23:37,149 --> 00:23:40,620 I would just sit therewith that empty space 466 00:23:40,653 --> 00:23:42,789 and I felt helpless. 467 00:23:46,993 --> 00:23:51,764 Mothers are supposed to protect their children regardless 468 00:23:51,798 --> 00:23:56,135 and I felt like I was letting Shawn down 469 00:23:56,168 --> 00:23:59,038 because I'm in a position right now 470 00:23:59,071 --> 00:24:02,842 where I can't do anything for him 471 00:24:02,875 --> 00:24:08,080 and I really felt that I wasletting him down as a mother. 472 00:24:08,114 --> 00:24:11,117 It's very sad because, again,his whole face 473 00:24:11,150 --> 00:24:13,019 and his whole identityis going to change, 474 00:24:13,052 --> 00:24:15,722 but what doesn't change is the inside of them 475 00:24:15,755 --> 00:24:18,525 and that's very difficult for people to realize. 476 00:24:21,894 --> 00:24:25,131 MIKE: It's enormously frustrating to know that a fire 477 00:24:25,164 --> 00:24:31,203 that killed three, injured 56 - five terribly - 478 00:24:31,237 --> 00:24:35,775 was set by someoneand you don't know who it is. 479 00:24:35,808 --> 00:24:38,878 We had two witnesses,both ear witnesses, 480 00:24:38,911 --> 00:24:41,247 and they har--they described it as a-- 481 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:44,784 a ripping of paper noise,so we questioned the people 482 00:24:44,817 --> 00:24:46,819 "what would be the loud tearing noise?" 483 00:24:46,853 --> 00:24:49,488 and we came to the conclusion it was the bulletin board. 484 00:24:50,890 --> 00:24:53,893 MIKE: And no one was coming forward with any information 485 00:24:53,926 --> 00:24:55,261 about who set it. 486 00:24:55,294 --> 00:24:57,864 The first real indicator 487 00:24:57,897 --> 00:25:01,100 was an interviewwith one of the defendants. 488 00:25:02,635 --> 00:25:04,971 JOHN: Shawn Ryan was one of the students on the floor. 489 00:25:05,004 --> 00:25:07,774 He was coming in like everybody else for interviews. 490 00:25:07,807 --> 00:25:09,642 The subject of the lounge comes up 491 00:25:09,676 --> 00:25:11,544 and the pulling down the paper, 492 00:25:11,578 --> 00:25:16,248 and we knew there was something more there 493 00:25:16,282 --> 00:25:18,885 and then we got tothe breaking point. 494 00:25:18,918 --> 00:25:23,990 "Okay, I tore the paper down,but I didn't set it on fire." 495 00:25:26,158 --> 00:25:28,995 This electrifiedthe interviewers. 496 00:25:29,028 --> 00:25:34,834 How did this student know that there was paper 497 00:25:34,867 --> 00:25:37,203 that was set on fire? 498 00:25:37,236 --> 00:25:42,341 This brought the first suspicionto Shawn Ryan. 499 00:25:42,374 --> 00:25:46,713 The belief in the room was that he absolutely knew 500 00:25:46,746 --> 00:25:49,982 how and by whom this fire was started 501 00:25:50,016 --> 00:25:53,285 and was wrestling with himselfat that moment 502 00:25:53,319 --> 00:25:57,189 whether to confessor whether to conceal. 503 00:25:57,223 --> 00:26:00,627 And that was the last time that we ever spoke to him 504 00:26:00,660 --> 00:26:02,662 without his counsel. 505 00:26:04,864 --> 00:26:06,866 MIKE: According to a fraternity brother, 506 00:26:06,899 --> 00:26:10,837 Ryan and LePore told him that they had been sleeping 507 00:26:10,870 --> 00:26:13,372 until the sound of the fire alarm. 508 00:26:13,405 --> 00:26:15,975 That contradicted the subsequent statements 509 00:26:16,008 --> 00:26:20,680 of both Ryan and LePore who said they were awake 510 00:26:20,713 --> 00:26:23,115 up until the timeof the fire alarm 511 00:26:23,149 --> 00:26:26,018 and there was one interesting news interview 512 00:26:26,052 --> 00:26:31,824 with Joseph LePore where he's describing... 513 00:26:31,858 --> 00:26:33,793 ...smoke, I see peoplehanging out of the windows, 514 00:26:33,826 --> 00:26:35,628 and there was justa lot of smoke. 515 00:26:35,662 --> 00:26:38,631 Whereas anyone else that wasanywhere near that fire scene 516 00:26:38,665 --> 00:26:41,033 had a face that had beenblackened by the soot. 517 00:26:41,067 --> 00:26:43,302 You couldn't even see ten in-- 518 00:26:43,335 --> 00:26:44,303 ten inchesin front of your face. 519 00:26:44,336 --> 00:26:45,604 One of the thingsthat went through our heads 520 00:26:45,638 --> 00:26:51,277 was the gall of this young man,actually taking to the camera 521 00:26:51,310 --> 00:26:56,849 minutes after participating in that deadly blaze. 522 00:26:56,883 --> 00:26:59,986 We also thoughtit was good evidence 523 00:27:00,019 --> 00:27:02,021 that he was lying. 524 00:27:03,322 --> 00:27:12,865 * Oh oh oh oh oh dulcis Virgo Maria * 525 00:27:21,473 --> 00:27:27,079 JOE KAROL: We had to have a closed coffin and we-- 526 00:27:27,113 --> 00:27:29,348 that last nightthat we talked about it earlier, 527 00:27:29,381 --> 00:27:31,183 when we saw himthat Monday night, 528 00:27:31,217 --> 00:27:34,153 that wasn't just the last timewe saw him alive, 529 00:27:34,186 --> 00:27:37,223 that was the last timewe saw him, period, 530 00:27:37,256 --> 00:27:40,960 because we couldn't havean open coffin. 531 00:27:46,966 --> 00:27:48,134 JOANNE: And for us, we-- 532 00:27:48,167 --> 00:27:53,172 we went through the tragedyfrom four o'clock in the morning 533 00:27:53,205 --> 00:27:54,741 when we first gotthe first phone call 534 00:27:54,774 --> 00:27:56,776 that there was a fire, 535 00:27:56,809 --> 00:28:02,114 to identify something of him that was left 536 00:28:02,148 --> 00:28:05,217 and it was difficult. 537 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:08,320 It was a very difficult day. 538 00:28:11,190 --> 00:28:13,392 CANDY KAROL: It was extremely important 539 00:28:13,425 --> 00:28:16,295 that they get to the bottom of this. 540 00:28:16,328 --> 00:28:19,465 Just to know the dedicationthat they would have to find out 541 00:28:19,498 --> 00:28:23,936 who murdered our sonwas very important. 542 00:28:28,474 --> 00:28:30,076 MIKE: Yes, it must have been very difficult 543 00:28:30,109 --> 00:28:33,946 for the parents to watch their sons being buried 544 00:28:33,980 --> 00:28:36,415 knowing that someonehad killed them 545 00:28:36,448 --> 00:28:38,785 and not knowing who it was. 546 00:28:38,818 --> 00:28:41,053 It would be impossibleto digest the grief 547 00:28:41,087 --> 00:28:44,356 of burying your 19-year-old son anyway, 548 00:28:44,390 --> 00:28:46,492 but that was just salt in the wound. 549 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,096 I believe God does not equip us 550 00:28:50,129 --> 00:28:53,499 to absorb the blow of our children pre-deceasing us. 551 00:28:54,533 --> 00:28:55,567 JOANNE: It's a nightmare 552 00:28:55,601 --> 00:28:58,838 that parents don't want to think about. 553 00:28:58,871 --> 00:29:01,140 To lose a childis the worst. 554 00:29:07,579 --> 00:29:12,351 CANDY: I cannot and will never, ever forgive them. 555 00:29:12,384 --> 00:29:15,187 Even though I know God tells me I should, 556 00:29:15,221 --> 00:29:17,189 the human part of me comes out and says, 557 00:29:17,223 --> 00:29:21,360 "No, I can't forgive themfor taking our son." 558 00:29:27,333 --> 00:29:30,169 ( EERIE MUSIC PLAYING ) 559 00:29:37,509 --> 00:29:40,813 ROBIN: I've never witnessed that much pain, 560 00:29:40,847 --> 00:29:42,214 that much suffering. 561 00:29:42,248 --> 00:29:47,319 Shawn and Alvaro suffered so horribly. 562 00:29:47,353 --> 00:29:50,189 The unit was just-- it pulsed with pain. 563 00:29:50,222 --> 00:29:51,323 It really did. 564 00:29:53,525 --> 00:29:55,895 Skin grafting is extensive surgery, 565 00:29:55,928 --> 00:29:58,130 and it's very delicate surgery, 566 00:29:58,164 --> 00:30:01,200 and initially we're grafting to cover the wounds. 567 00:30:07,506 --> 00:30:11,077 CHRIS: They would borrow some skin from their thighs 568 00:30:11,110 --> 00:30:14,046 or, in Al's case, an area that wasn't burned. 569 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:16,115 Now you have another patchof an area 570 00:30:16,148 --> 00:30:17,984 that is an open piece of skin 571 00:30:18,017 --> 00:30:19,919 and eventually that has to heal as well. 572 00:30:19,952 --> 00:30:22,354 The extent of injury that Al--that Al had, 573 00:30:22,388 --> 00:30:24,323 to turn him,it took several of us 574 00:30:24,356 --> 00:30:26,092 just to gently roll him on his side 575 00:30:26,125 --> 00:30:30,462 and to do his back, which was horribly burned, 576 00:30:30,496 --> 00:30:31,730 and just keep saying you're sorry 577 00:30:31,763 --> 00:30:34,566 and just feel terrible as to what you have to do, 578 00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,269 but you're comforted in the factthat what you're doing 579 00:30:37,303 --> 00:30:39,238 is going toultimately help them. 580 00:30:42,641 --> 00:30:45,144 ( BEEPING ) 581 00:30:45,177 --> 00:30:47,947 Dr. Mansourhas been the driving force 582 00:30:47,980 --> 00:30:49,481 here at the Burn Center. 583 00:30:49,515 --> 00:30:53,285 He's always had a very soft spot for the children 584 00:30:53,319 --> 00:30:55,955 and these were two children that were admitted 585 00:30:55,988 --> 00:30:59,491 and their suffering is-- touches him very deeply 586 00:30:59,525 --> 00:31:01,627 and he does anythingthat he can to-- 587 00:31:01,660 --> 00:31:03,095 to eradicate that. 588 00:31:04,964 --> 00:31:07,099 His first burn patient,he was a child 589 00:31:07,133 --> 00:31:09,001 and he was growing upin Beirut 590 00:31:09,035 --> 00:31:11,637 and he heardthis horrible scream, 591 00:31:11,670 --> 00:31:13,239 as he describes it, 592 00:31:13,272 --> 00:31:15,908 and he asked the nurse, "What is that?" 593 00:31:15,942 --> 00:31:18,945 and-- and the woman said, "That's a burned patient," 594 00:31:18,978 --> 00:31:21,680 and Dr. Mansour said,"Well, why don't you help him?" 595 00:31:21,713 --> 00:31:23,315 and she said,"There's nothing we can do 596 00:31:23,349 --> 00:31:24,951 except wait for him to die." 597 00:31:24,984 --> 00:31:27,419 DR. MANSOUR: When I saw these massive burns, 598 00:31:27,453 --> 00:31:30,522 it ignited this distress that I had 599 00:31:30,556 --> 00:31:33,459 when I heard that nobody'sdoing anything to help him 600 00:31:33,492 --> 00:31:35,327 because they couldn'tdo anything to help him. 601 00:31:35,361 --> 00:31:38,497 He never, ever forgotthat sound of that patient 602 00:31:38,530 --> 00:31:41,533 and so, as he grew up, he--he decided 603 00:31:41,567 --> 00:31:43,502 that that was something he needed to do 604 00:31:43,535 --> 00:31:47,039 and that he was going to helpburn patients. 605 00:31:52,144 --> 00:31:54,246 The job in the Burn Unit, 606 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:57,016 I can't imagine more thana handful of people in the world 607 00:31:57,049 --> 00:31:58,417 could or would do it. 608 00:31:58,450 --> 00:31:59,685 ROY: To work here, 609 00:31:59,718 --> 00:32:02,054 you have to be physically and emotionally strong 610 00:32:02,088 --> 00:32:04,423 because of what you're dealing with every day, 611 00:32:04,456 --> 00:32:06,358 I mean, again, pain. 612 00:32:06,392 --> 00:32:08,027 I mean,there's no pain like that 613 00:32:08,060 --> 00:32:10,396 anywhere else in this hospitalthat I've seen. 614 00:32:10,429 --> 00:32:12,999 These burn nurseshave had to cradle 615 00:32:13,032 --> 00:32:14,933 burned babiesto their death. 616 00:32:18,304 --> 00:32:21,007 They say the kidsare the worst 617 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:28,047 and you can see when a kidcomes into the Burn Unit, 618 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:29,748 they can, you know,they hold it together 619 00:32:29,781 --> 00:32:35,154 'cause they're so strong,but afterward, they fall apart. 620 00:32:38,657 --> 00:32:42,995 Alvaro's girlfriend Angie was 18 years old. 621 00:32:43,029 --> 00:32:47,699 He was her first real boyfriend,she was his first girlfriend. 622 00:32:47,733 --> 00:32:50,402 They were very much in love,young kids in love. 623 00:32:50,436 --> 00:32:53,372 SHANY: I was extremely close to Angie. 624 00:32:53,405 --> 00:32:55,541 We would tell each other our secrets. 625 00:32:55,574 --> 00:32:57,109 I remember when this happenedto my brother, 626 00:32:57,143 --> 00:32:59,745 we would stay up late at nighttalking and crying, 627 00:32:59,778 --> 00:33:01,247 talking about my brother. 628 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:04,183 ( SPEAKING SPANISH ) 629 00:33:09,588 --> 00:33:13,659 Angie would-- just wantedto touch him so much 630 00:33:13,692 --> 00:33:15,361 and the only partthat she could touch 631 00:33:15,394 --> 00:33:19,298 were his toes,and so she would take cream 632 00:33:19,331 --> 00:33:21,267 and she would just cream his toes 633 00:33:21,300 --> 00:33:23,202 and just massage his toes 634 00:33:23,235 --> 00:33:25,537 just so she could touch part of him. 635 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:30,809 SHIRLEY: Angie used to write him letters and, like, 636 00:33:30,842 --> 00:33:33,212 put a kiss on it and it was, like, 637 00:33:33,245 --> 00:33:35,114 just all over his room. 638 00:33:36,682 --> 00:33:38,784 CHRISTINE: She stayed out of school for two weeks 639 00:33:38,817 --> 00:33:41,787 and she was up at that hospitalevery day, every second. 640 00:33:41,820 --> 00:33:43,789 SHIRLEY: She never went out with her friends. 641 00:33:43,822 --> 00:33:46,225 She spent her days at his bedside, 642 00:33:46,258 --> 00:33:47,626 and when she wasn't at his bedside, 643 00:33:47,659 --> 00:33:50,762 she was translating between the doctors and his parents. 644 00:33:50,796 --> 00:33:52,798 CHRISTINE: She would bring music up to the-- 645 00:33:52,831 --> 00:33:55,567 into the room to let him listen to the different musics 646 00:33:55,601 --> 00:33:59,138 and everything and she was just always there for him. 647 00:34:00,172 --> 00:34:04,176 We did all think that thisis gonna be tough for her, 648 00:34:04,210 --> 00:34:05,411 you know. 649 00:34:05,444 --> 00:34:09,381 She's a young girl and she's 18 and there's a-- 650 00:34:09,415 --> 00:34:12,384 a boy in front of her that has his whole life changed. 651 00:34:25,364 --> 00:34:27,233 CHRISTINE: We were at the hospital together so much 652 00:34:27,266 --> 00:34:30,569 it's like we became one family. 653 00:34:30,602 --> 00:34:35,707 We became roommates becausewe shared the same waiting room. 654 00:34:35,741 --> 00:34:37,643 We did everything together. 655 00:34:40,912 --> 00:34:42,348 EILEEN: And the families would sit together 656 00:34:42,381 --> 00:34:43,882 and they would talk about the boys 657 00:34:43,915 --> 00:34:45,884 and they kind of drew strengthfrom each other, 658 00:34:45,917 --> 00:34:48,120 even with the language barrier,at times. 659 00:34:48,154 --> 00:34:51,123 ROBIN: Mrs. Simons took it upon herself 660 00:34:51,157 --> 00:34:55,894 to take Daisy and her husband under her wing 661 00:34:55,927 --> 00:34:58,130 because they weremuch more vulnerable, 662 00:34:58,164 --> 00:35:01,733 much more fragilethan Mrs. Simons. 663 00:35:01,767 --> 00:35:06,405 We start talking to each otherabout our children before, 664 00:35:06,438 --> 00:35:07,573 you know, the way it was, and-- 665 00:35:07,606 --> 00:35:10,309 and we really bondlike a family. 666 00:35:10,342 --> 00:35:12,744 SHIRLEY: We grew very close to the Simons during the-- 667 00:35:12,778 --> 00:35:14,680 the time when they were both in a coma. 668 00:35:14,713 --> 00:35:18,417 Like, we were constantly together, you know, 669 00:35:18,450 --> 00:35:19,785 supporting each other, 670 00:35:19,818 --> 00:35:20,952 helping each other in tough times. 671 00:35:20,986 --> 00:35:23,922 There were times whereI would cry or my mom would cry 672 00:35:23,955 --> 00:35:25,424 or Shawn's moms would cry 673 00:35:25,457 --> 00:35:27,493 and we would just hug each other. 674 00:35:32,964 --> 00:35:38,670 SHANY: When Shawn woke up and he was able to respond to us, 675 00:35:38,704 --> 00:35:41,340 I do remember the excitement. 676 00:35:41,373 --> 00:35:42,474 SHAWN SIMONS: I kind of looked around 677 00:35:42,508 --> 00:35:43,942 and, I'm lookin' like, "Hey, where am I?" 678 00:35:43,975 --> 00:35:47,313 I was very weak and I saw, you know, 679 00:35:47,346 --> 00:35:50,582 a face come into my-- my eyesight, 680 00:35:50,616 --> 00:35:54,653 and it was one of the nurses and she said, you know, 681 00:35:54,686 --> 00:35:55,687 "You're all right." 682 00:35:56,655 --> 00:35:59,525 Knowing that he wasalmost not gonna make it 683 00:35:59,558 --> 00:36:01,527 to now he's gonna make it. 684 00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:04,763 You know, that is, again, like the Fourth of July. 685 00:36:04,796 --> 00:36:07,399 It's a great day. 686 00:36:07,433 --> 00:36:09,535 After Shawn woke upin the tank room, 687 00:36:09,568 --> 00:36:10,669 they brought himback to his room, 688 00:36:10,702 --> 00:36:12,871 and now all the nursescan't wait until 689 00:36:12,904 --> 00:36:16,808 Christine and Kenny,his parents, walk in, 690 00:36:16,842 --> 00:36:18,944 and all the nurses are watching them and saying, 691 00:36:18,977 --> 00:36:20,612 "Ooh, we have a surprise for you!" 692 00:36:20,646 --> 00:36:21,847 CHRISTINE: I just screamed. 693 00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:26,685 I was just so-- I was so happy. 694 00:36:26,718 --> 00:36:32,424 I-I was just full of tearsbecause that was my Shawn. 695 00:36:32,458 --> 00:36:34,460 My Shawn was back with me. 696 00:36:36,027 --> 00:36:37,796 SHAWN: It just gave me that warmth that, you know, 697 00:36:37,829 --> 00:36:40,999 she was-- you know, she was--she was there this time. 698 00:36:41,032 --> 00:36:43,435 It wasn't this stranger.It was my mother. 699 00:36:45,871 --> 00:36:47,873 CHRISTINE: The first words that came out of Shawn's mouth-- 700 00:36:47,906 --> 00:36:53,312 and I would never forget it--he said, "Mom, where were you?" 701 00:36:53,345 --> 00:36:56,482 and-- and I cried. 702 00:36:56,515 --> 00:36:58,717 I said, "Shawn,I never left your side. 703 00:36:58,750 --> 00:37:00,519 I was always here with you." 704 00:37:03,822 --> 00:37:06,725 Shawn really wanted tocommunicate with his mother. 705 00:37:06,758 --> 00:37:07,893 He kept trying to talk, 706 00:37:07,926 --> 00:37:09,695 but of course he had tubes down his throat 707 00:37:09,728 --> 00:37:12,964 so he couldn't speak, and so a nurse ran 708 00:37:12,998 --> 00:37:16,735 and got this page with the alphabet on it 709 00:37:16,768 --> 00:37:20,572 and he pointed out "How's Al?" 710 00:37:21,773 --> 00:37:24,576 CHRISTINE: I told Shawn, "He's in another room," 711 00:37:24,610 --> 00:37:29,448 but we never told Shawn the extent of Al's injuries. 712 00:37:32,551 --> 00:37:33,719 ROBIN: Shawn used to fantasize 713 00:37:33,752 --> 00:37:37,356 that Alvaro was going to walk through his door 714 00:37:37,389 --> 00:37:41,927 and be even with himin his recovery and-- 715 00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:45,297 and challenge him to seewho could get better first, 716 00:37:45,331 --> 00:37:47,966 and I actually think that got him through 717 00:37:47,999 --> 00:37:52,304 a lot of very, very lonely, scary nights. 718 00:37:55,441 --> 00:37:58,009 Shawn was always thinking about Alvaro. 719 00:37:58,043 --> 00:38:00,078 He would ask all the nurses, "How's my roommate?" 720 00:38:00,111 --> 00:38:02,047 and they'd say, "We're taking care of him. 721 00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:03,982 He's fine," and he didn't believe them. 722 00:38:04,015 --> 00:38:06,685 Instinctively he knewthat Al was in terrible shape. 723 00:38:06,718 --> 00:38:09,821 Shawn, I didn't knowuntil he started to wake up, 724 00:38:09,855 --> 00:38:12,691 that his concernwas not about himself, 725 00:38:12,724 --> 00:38:13,692 it was about Alvaro. 726 00:38:13,725 --> 00:38:15,961 "How's Al?How's he doing?" 727 00:38:15,994 --> 00:38:18,564 I just remembered that,you know, my mother always said 728 00:38:18,597 --> 00:38:20,432 that Al was two doors down. 729 00:38:20,466 --> 00:38:24,403 I try my best every day to walk a little further 730 00:38:24,436 --> 00:38:28,774 and when I got to the second room 731 00:38:28,807 --> 00:38:31,843 that was down from mine, I kind of peeked in, 732 00:38:31,877 --> 00:38:34,613 and I saw his parents 733 00:38:34,646 --> 00:38:36,615 and that's how I knew that it was-- 734 00:38:36,648 --> 00:38:37,616 that it was Alvaro. 735 00:38:37,649 --> 00:38:39,885 ( BEEPING ) 736 00:38:39,918 --> 00:38:43,088 His full body was covered in gauze. 737 00:38:43,121 --> 00:38:48,093 I was up and I felt like he shouldn't be like that. 738 00:38:48,126 --> 00:38:51,563 ( BEEPING ) 739 00:38:51,597 --> 00:38:54,466 CHRISTINE: He had become very, very angry 740 00:38:54,500 --> 00:38:57,102 and we didn't understand why. 741 00:38:57,135 --> 00:39:02,340 He was blaming himself for what happened to Al. 742 00:39:04,743 --> 00:39:07,112 And one day I asked him, "Why have you been so angry? 743 00:39:07,145 --> 00:39:09,448 That's not you," 744 00:39:09,481 --> 00:39:11,683 and then that's whenhe broke down and he told me. 745 00:39:11,717 --> 00:39:12,884 SHAWN: My mother said to me, 746 00:39:12,918 --> 00:39:15,153 "You have to be strong in order to, you know, 747 00:39:15,186 --> 00:39:16,287 help him get through this," 748 00:39:16,321 --> 00:39:19,425 and from that day on, I just made it a-- 749 00:39:19,458 --> 00:39:21,560 a-- a effort to visit himevery day 750 00:39:21,593 --> 00:39:23,562 and talk to him every day. 751 00:39:23,595 --> 00:39:24,796 I needed to be there for him. 752 00:39:24,830 --> 00:39:28,700 I just felt like we both had been through this, you know, 753 00:39:28,734 --> 00:39:31,570 this fire together, and if I'm strong enough to-- 754 00:39:31,603 --> 00:39:32,538 to-- to get through it, 755 00:39:32,571 --> 00:39:34,440 that he's strong enoughto get through it. 756 00:39:36,708 --> 00:39:39,845 ( BACKGROUND TALKING ) 757 00:39:49,154 --> 00:39:50,355 SHIRLEY: I was very happy 758 00:39:50,388 --> 00:39:53,592 when Shawn finally opened his eyes and woke up. 759 00:39:53,625 --> 00:39:55,894 I was happy for his family, 760 00:39:55,927 --> 00:39:58,830 but at the same time I felt anxiety 761 00:39:58,864 --> 00:40:00,966 because I wanted the same thingfor my brother 762 00:40:00,999 --> 00:40:03,635 and I wish it could've happenedat the same time. 763 00:40:03,669 --> 00:40:06,805 ( SPEAKING SPANISH ) 764 00:40:11,510 --> 00:40:14,446 The Llanoses felt certain 765 00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:15,981 that they were going tolose their boy, 766 00:40:16,014 --> 00:40:17,015 their pride and joy. 767 00:40:18,216 --> 00:40:21,086 CHRIS: She was very emotional, very emotional, 768 00:40:21,119 --> 00:40:24,022 and to me she had a very normal reaction 769 00:40:24,055 --> 00:40:25,290 of a mother to a son. 770 00:40:25,323 --> 00:40:29,561 You know, Al was the caretaker,we found out, in the house, 771 00:40:29,595 --> 00:40:31,930 and now her caretakerwas not going to be there. 772 00:40:31,963 --> 00:40:34,132 It was really toughfor a while. 773 00:40:34,165 --> 00:40:36,602 Like, my dad had had a stroke. 774 00:40:36,635 --> 00:40:38,937 He himself was in ICU. 775 00:40:38,970 --> 00:40:42,007 ( SPEAKING SPANISH ) 776 00:40:54,152 --> 00:40:55,987 Our family had already 777 00:40:56,021 --> 00:41:01,893 went through so much alreadythat this was just added on. 778 00:41:15,907 --> 00:41:18,276 ROBIN: When Shawn finally saw himself, 779 00:41:18,309 --> 00:41:20,679 his face was-- was pretty burned 780 00:41:20,712 --> 00:41:21,680 and his hands were-- were-- 781 00:41:21,713 --> 00:41:25,584 were just completely disfigured. 782 00:41:28,219 --> 00:41:30,789 He was angrythat his appearance had changed. 783 00:41:32,290 --> 00:41:33,458 CHRISTINE: He just cried like a little baby 784 00:41:33,491 --> 00:41:36,194 that first day that he looked in that mirror. 785 00:41:36,227 --> 00:41:37,996 You-- you want to sit thereand cry with them 786 00:41:38,029 --> 00:41:39,665 because you knowthat's what they want to do. 787 00:41:39,698 --> 00:41:41,199 They, you know,"What happened to me? 788 00:41:41,232 --> 00:41:42,467 Where's my face?" 789 00:41:42,500 --> 00:41:45,136 DR. MANSOUR: Shawn's hands were very badly burned. 790 00:41:45,170 --> 00:41:46,471 At the beginning, 791 00:41:46,504 --> 00:41:48,574 we thought that maybe he's gonna lose some fingers. 792 00:41:51,042 --> 00:41:52,611 SHAWN: The reason of the pins 793 00:41:52,644 --> 00:41:56,181 was because my fingerswere bent like this 794 00:41:56,214 --> 00:41:58,016 and it was to the point 795 00:41:58,049 --> 00:42:00,085 where they needed tostraighten them out. 796 00:42:00,118 --> 00:42:01,720 I think I had to keep them in there for, about, 797 00:42:01,753 --> 00:42:04,255 maybe two weeks, and when they removed them, 798 00:42:04,289 --> 00:42:07,292 it was, um, hey, it was just like, 799 00:42:07,325 --> 00:42:08,326 they pull it out, you know, 800 00:42:08,359 --> 00:42:12,130 and it was one of the mostpainful experiences 801 00:42:12,163 --> 00:42:13,965 of being burned, you know. 802 00:42:16,868 --> 00:42:21,206 Shawn had a difficult timetaking his gloves off, 803 00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:26,578 the gloves that are used totry to prevent more scarring. 804 00:42:26,612 --> 00:42:28,146 SHAWN: I almost at one point wanted to say, 805 00:42:28,179 --> 00:42:31,016 "Hey, if I keep these gloves on for the rest of my life, 806 00:42:31,049 --> 00:42:34,019 nobody's gonna, you know,notice that I'm burned." 807 00:42:38,089 --> 00:42:39,791 ROBIN: His mother, his whole life, 808 00:42:39,825 --> 00:42:44,830 told him that a woman judged a man by his hands. 809 00:42:44,863 --> 00:42:48,033 He was absolutelydevastated by that. 810 00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:55,573 SHAWN: It took, you know, my-- 811 00:42:55,607 --> 00:42:58,276 my occupational therapist, Catherine Ruiz, to tell me, 812 00:42:58,309 --> 00:43:01,179 you know, that the less you wear your garment, 813 00:43:01,212 --> 00:43:02,013 you know,the more comfortable 814 00:43:02,047 --> 00:43:03,348 you're going to feelin your skin. 815 00:43:09,187 --> 00:43:13,324 CHRISTINE: If you don't use those muscles and whatnot, 816 00:43:13,358 --> 00:43:16,061 once they heal into a certain position, 817 00:43:16,094 --> 00:43:17,829 you won't be able to use it. 818 00:43:17,863 --> 00:43:19,064 SHAWN: It was painful. 819 00:43:19,097 --> 00:43:21,900 It was days where I just didn't want to do it. 820 00:43:21,933 --> 00:43:23,234 The repetitiveness 821 00:43:23,268 --> 00:43:25,871 and that having to do it over and over and over again, 822 00:43:25,904 --> 00:43:29,240 you know, not really seeing a big change. 823 00:43:33,178 --> 00:43:34,713 ROY: To not be able to do 824 00:43:34,746 --> 00:43:36,414 the things you were used to doing 825 00:43:36,447 --> 00:43:39,017 has to be hard for any patient, 826 00:43:39,050 --> 00:43:41,319 and for Shawn, it had to be equally hard 827 00:43:41,352 --> 00:43:44,856 because he is 19 years old also,and here he is, 828 00:43:44,890 --> 00:43:47,759 the simple things in lifehe can't do right now. 829 00:43:47,793 --> 00:43:49,160 ROBIN: Things you take for granted: 830 00:43:49,194 --> 00:43:51,329 picking up a coin off the floor, 831 00:43:51,362 --> 00:43:54,299 holding your fork, holding a pencil. 832 00:43:56,101 --> 00:43:57,903 SHAWN: You just get deterred, and-- and-- 833 00:43:57,936 --> 00:43:59,270 and, you know, just kind of want to give up. 834 00:44:05,911 --> 00:44:08,279 CHRISTINE: He always would stare out the window 835 00:44:08,313 --> 00:44:11,049 and I was asking him, "Shawn, what are you looking at?" 836 00:44:11,082 --> 00:44:12,417 ( CHUCKLING ) 837 00:44:12,450 --> 00:44:13,418 And he would always say to me, 838 00:44:13,451 --> 00:44:15,386 "I'm trying to find a wayto get out of here." 839 00:44:15,420 --> 00:44:17,455 ( CHUCKLING ) 840 00:44:17,488 --> 00:44:20,726 But he just... 841 00:44:20,759 --> 00:44:22,928 he-- he was just determinedto get out of the hospital. 842 00:44:33,471 --> 00:44:37,142 MIKE: LePore and Ryan began to realize 843 00:44:37,175 --> 00:44:40,178 that the investigation was focusing on them 844 00:44:40,211 --> 00:44:41,980 and they clammed up. 845 00:44:49,187 --> 00:44:50,956 We believed that the fraternity, 846 00:44:50,989 --> 00:44:54,192 as a body, knew more than they were telling us, 847 00:44:54,225 --> 00:44:56,762 and so it was an attempt to put pressure on them 848 00:44:56,795 --> 00:44:59,297 that law enforcement was going to press against them 849 00:44:59,330 --> 00:45:01,132 to break up the circled wagons. 850 00:45:01,166 --> 00:45:04,335 We knew a lot of these peoplewe wanted to speak to 851 00:45:04,369 --> 00:45:06,938 frequented that bar, so we figured, 852 00:45:06,972 --> 00:45:10,275 "Okay, they're going to do the underage drinking bust. 853 00:45:10,308 --> 00:45:13,745 Let's be ready to give out the subpoenas 854 00:45:13,779 --> 00:45:15,213 for the people who are dodging us." 855 00:45:21,552 --> 00:45:24,289 MIKE: We believed they knew from early on 856 00:45:24,322 --> 00:45:25,523 about the involvement 857 00:45:25,556 --> 00:45:28,293 of Shawn Ryan and Joseph LePore in this fire and that, 858 00:45:28,326 --> 00:45:32,764 early on, had decidedto circle their little wagons 859 00:45:32,798 --> 00:45:34,399 and protecttheir fraternity brothers 860 00:45:34,432 --> 00:45:37,168 against law enforcement. 861 00:45:37,202 --> 00:45:38,770 Nothing was ever produced. 862 00:45:38,804 --> 00:45:40,772 No one ever spoke. 863 00:45:40,806 --> 00:45:43,909 They hired extremely competent attorneys 864 00:45:43,942 --> 00:45:47,412 who gave us the roughest time they could. 865 00:45:47,445 --> 00:45:49,014 I was just surprisedthat they didn't want to help 866 00:45:49,047 --> 00:45:52,050 solve a crimethat killed three people 867 00:45:52,083 --> 00:45:54,185 and injured so many more. 868 00:45:54,219 --> 00:45:55,186 Don't you want to help? 869 00:45:55,220 --> 00:45:57,322 Don't you want to do something? 870 00:45:57,355 --> 00:46:00,158 I mean, those are your fellow students. 871 00:46:01,592 --> 00:46:03,328 MIKE: We hoped that one of them 872 00:46:03,361 --> 00:46:05,396 might grow a conscience 873 00:46:05,430 --> 00:46:08,499 and come forward and tell us what they knew. 874 00:46:08,533 --> 00:46:12,971 We believe they walk aroundwith secret knowledge even today 875 00:46:13,004 --> 00:46:15,206 and they'll have to carry that. 876 00:46:19,110 --> 00:46:22,848 JOHN: Some of the other investigators from Homicide 877 00:46:22,881 --> 00:46:25,450 had a, you know, an organized crime informant 878 00:46:25,483 --> 00:46:28,820 that said they had someinformation regarding the case. 879 00:46:33,091 --> 00:46:34,926 MIKE: In the moment of family crisis, 880 00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:38,496 apparently one of the LePore family members 881 00:46:38,529 --> 00:46:44,569 turned to Daniel Ricciardi,a man of an unsavory background, 882 00:46:44,602 --> 00:46:48,606 for advice as to how to proceed with respect to 883 00:46:48,639 --> 00:46:52,177 the criminal investigationinto Joseph LePore. 884 00:46:52,210 --> 00:46:53,144 JOHN: The informant had said 885 00:46:53,178 --> 00:46:54,412 that the mom had approached him 886 00:46:54,445 --> 00:46:57,849 and said that the son had some type of involvement 887 00:46:57,883 --> 00:46:59,484 in the fireand that was the offer-- 888 00:46:59,517 --> 00:47:01,319 information to give up. 889 00:47:01,352 --> 00:47:03,889 Occasionallyyou have to, sort of, 890 00:47:03,922 --> 00:47:06,958 make a deal with the devil,with the devil you know 891 00:47:06,992 --> 00:47:08,960 to get a hold of the devilyou don't know. 892 00:47:10,661 --> 00:47:13,064 MIKE: Once authorized by the court, 893 00:47:13,098 --> 00:47:16,334 the investigation looked for an opportunity 894 00:47:16,367 --> 00:47:20,371 to enter the home and place the listening devices 895 00:47:20,405 --> 00:47:23,274 without, of course, the occupants of the home 896 00:47:23,308 --> 00:47:26,177 being aware that the listening devices were placed. 897 00:47:28,379 --> 00:47:29,480 SHERIFF FONTOURA: It's not what he knew. 898 00:47:29,514 --> 00:47:32,217 I think this is what he was able to-- to-- 899 00:47:32,250 --> 00:47:34,019 to provide for us and, 900 00:47:34,052 --> 00:47:35,620 whether it befirsthand knowledge 901 00:47:35,653 --> 00:47:38,123 or secondhand knowledge,but to be able to-- 902 00:47:38,156 --> 00:47:41,927 to lead this investigation in--in-- in the right direction 903 00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:43,995 and point tothe right individuals. 904 00:47:51,336 --> 00:47:53,939 It's a big celebrationwhen you leave the Burn ICU. 905 00:47:53,972 --> 00:47:57,675 All the nurses make a big deal when a patient's being released. 906 00:47:57,708 --> 00:47:58,843 It is a big deal. 907 00:47:58,876 --> 00:48:01,679 Everybody was in a celebratory mood and-- 908 00:48:01,712 --> 00:48:03,181 and Shawn's parents came. 909 00:48:03,214 --> 00:48:04,282 SHAWN: It was exhilarating. 910 00:48:04,315 --> 00:48:06,217 I mean, it was like the-- 911 00:48:06,251 --> 00:48:08,086 like the victory lap at a-- at a, you know, 912 00:48:08,119 --> 00:48:09,955 an Indianapolis 500or something, you know. 913 00:48:09,988 --> 00:48:12,157 CHRISTINE: When we was getting ready to leave, 914 00:48:12,190 --> 00:48:17,395 he said, "Ma," he said, "I got one more thing to do." 915 00:48:17,428 --> 00:48:19,630 He said, "I got to go and see Albefore I leave." 916 00:48:25,270 --> 00:48:26,604 ROBIN: He was still in a coma 917 00:48:26,637 --> 00:48:29,440 and he was still critically ill, 918 00:48:29,474 --> 00:48:31,209 and Shawn... 919 00:48:32,710 --> 00:48:33,911 broke down. 920 00:48:35,180 --> 00:48:37,182 ROY: You could almost see tears in his eyes, you know, 921 00:48:37,215 --> 00:48:39,617 while he was talking to him and-- 922 00:48:39,650 --> 00:48:43,254 and just like a friend would do a friend, 923 00:48:43,288 --> 00:48:45,090 you know, say, "It's gonna be all right. 924 00:48:45,123 --> 00:48:47,058 I'm here for you," you know, 925 00:48:47,092 --> 00:48:48,593 "We're gonna get through this together." 926 00:48:48,626 --> 00:48:50,295 That's nice to see. 927 00:48:50,328 --> 00:48:51,662 CHRISTINE: He couldn't just leave Al 928 00:48:51,696 --> 00:48:52,763 without going in the room 929 00:48:52,797 --> 00:48:55,433 and talking to him,even though Al was in a coma, 930 00:48:55,466 --> 00:48:58,069 but I guess he just feltlike he had to do that 931 00:48:58,103 --> 00:49:00,471 and, you know, when he did,he came back out he-- 932 00:49:00,505 --> 00:49:05,510 he just cried like a baby but it was a relief for him. 933 00:49:08,146 --> 00:49:09,680 SHAWN: And I just made a promise to myself 934 00:49:09,714 --> 00:49:12,150 that every day that I came for, you know, 935 00:49:12,183 --> 00:49:13,618 occupationaland physical therapy, 936 00:49:13,651 --> 00:49:16,087 no matter how tired I wasand ready to go home 937 00:49:16,121 --> 00:49:18,223 and lay down, you know,I had to go upstairs and-- 938 00:49:18,256 --> 00:49:21,392 and-- and see Al,you know, every day. 939 00:49:24,029 --> 00:49:25,763 ROBIN: Alvaro was weeks into his recovery, 940 00:49:25,796 --> 00:49:27,465 still in a coma, 941 00:49:27,498 --> 00:49:29,767 but every day that he livedwas hopeful. 942 00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:31,536 Matt and I got to the Burn Unit one morning 943 00:49:31,569 --> 00:49:35,540 and it was as if someone had died. 944 00:49:37,542 --> 00:49:40,211 CHRIS: This is a very severe turning point. 945 00:49:40,245 --> 00:49:42,213 Alvaro crashed 946 00:49:42,247 --> 00:49:44,015 and he was going into what we call ARDS, 947 00:49:44,049 --> 00:49:46,284 which is Adult RespiratoryDistress Syndrome. 948 00:49:46,317 --> 00:49:48,419 The lungs are essentiallyshutting down, 949 00:49:48,453 --> 00:49:50,588 they're telling you they don'twant to take air in anymore, 950 00:49:50,621 --> 00:49:54,092 and-- and he hada massive infection 951 00:49:54,125 --> 00:49:57,395 and temperature is goingup to about 105. 952 00:49:57,428 --> 00:49:58,396 It's-- it's not a good sign. 953 00:49:58,429 --> 00:50:01,366 It's-- you know, we losepatients that have ARDS. 954 00:50:01,399 --> 00:50:05,103 It's just an overwhelming assault on the lungs. 955 00:50:05,136 --> 00:50:06,337 ( BEEPING ) 956 00:50:06,371 --> 00:50:07,705 CHRIS: This was frightening. 957 00:50:07,738 --> 00:50:09,774 It was frightening because you had to tell the parents 958 00:50:09,807 --> 00:50:12,310 after a very longperiod of time, 959 00:50:12,343 --> 00:50:13,678 "He's dying right nowin front of us 960 00:50:13,711 --> 00:50:15,646 and we don't knowif we can save him." 961 00:50:17,415 --> 00:50:20,118 SHIRLEY: When she found out that 962 00:50:20,151 --> 00:50:23,421 it was a possibilitythat he could die, 963 00:50:23,454 --> 00:50:26,657 I remember her going homeand sobbing 964 00:50:26,691 --> 00:50:28,626 and she was like on her knees praying to God 965 00:50:28,659 --> 00:50:31,028 asking Him to save her son. 966 00:50:32,730 --> 00:50:34,765 And I remember that I still kept waiting 967 00:50:34,799 --> 00:50:41,106 for my brother to walk through, like, ( SNIFF ) physically, 968 00:50:41,139 --> 00:50:43,408 you know, the brotherthat I was used to seeing. 969 00:50:43,441 --> 00:50:47,545 We all sat there and--and it was a death watch. 970 00:50:47,578 --> 00:50:48,646 It was a death watch. 971 00:50:52,550 --> 00:50:56,221 ( SPEAKING SPANISH ) 972 00:51:03,694 --> 00:51:04,795 SHIRLEY: So all she can do 973 00:51:04,829 --> 00:51:07,565 is constantly be on top of the doctors. 974 00:51:07,598 --> 00:51:09,300 She couldn't evenentertain the thought 975 00:51:09,334 --> 00:51:11,369 that Alvarowas as sick as he was, 976 00:51:11,402 --> 00:51:14,372 so she would findlittle things to focus on. 977 00:51:14,405 --> 00:51:18,243 Her son was dying and she was asking questions like, 978 00:51:18,276 --> 00:51:21,879 "Why does he have a small brown patch on his eyelid?" 979 00:51:21,912 --> 00:51:24,815 I think one day they finally decided 980 00:51:24,849 --> 00:51:27,652 she's got to understand how bad this really is. 981 00:51:27,685 --> 00:51:32,123 She's got to face it because he may die anytime now. 982 00:51:32,157 --> 00:51:38,729 She screamed and screamedand cried and-- and-- and-- 983 00:51:38,763 --> 00:51:43,868 and I've never seen anyoneever that distraught. 984 00:51:48,873 --> 00:51:50,141 SHIRLEY: We would always pray, 985 00:51:50,175 --> 00:51:52,910 but my mom would constantly pray and pray and pray 986 00:51:52,943 --> 00:51:54,779 and because she said she felt in her heart 987 00:51:54,812 --> 00:51:57,682 that God was going to pull through, you know, 988 00:51:57,715 --> 00:52:00,851 like hoping for the best. 989 00:52:00,885 --> 00:52:03,488 That's all that we could do at that time. 990 00:52:05,890 --> 00:52:08,826 ( SPEAKING SPANISH ) 991 00:52:16,734 --> 00:52:18,269 When she thoughtthat he was going to pass away, 992 00:52:18,303 --> 00:52:20,805 she told my grandmotherand my grandmother she took, 993 00:52:20,838 --> 00:52:23,641 you know, the next flight that she could and she came, 994 00:52:23,674 --> 00:52:25,710 but my grandmotherwas a very spiritual person, 995 00:52:25,743 --> 00:52:26,544 very spiritual. 996 00:52:26,577 --> 00:52:28,513 Her faith was, like,unbelievable. 997 00:52:28,546 --> 00:52:30,515 She was talking to us in the room and she said, 998 00:52:30,548 --> 00:52:32,583 "I don't want you guys to be upset with me 999 00:52:32,617 --> 00:52:34,819 but I made a promise to God, 1000 00:52:34,852 --> 00:52:37,255 and I asked Him to please take my life 1001 00:52:37,288 --> 00:52:38,689 and to spare your brother's." 1002 00:52:38,723 --> 00:52:42,660 It was weird becausethe sicker my grandmother got, 1003 00:52:42,693 --> 00:52:43,928 it seemed like the better 1004 00:52:43,961 --> 00:52:48,366 my brother's state started to get. 1005 00:52:48,399 --> 00:52:49,900 She ended upgoing to the doctor 1006 00:52:49,934 --> 00:52:53,704 and they told her that she had pancreatic cancer 1007 00:52:53,738 --> 00:52:56,241 and then my grandmother ended up passing away. 1008 00:53:04,749 --> 00:53:07,652 ROBIN: After three months in a coma, 1009 00:53:07,685 --> 00:53:10,255 Alvaro started waking up. 1010 00:53:10,288 --> 00:53:11,422 No one expected it. 1011 00:53:12,423 --> 00:53:15,460 ( BEEPING ) 1012 00:53:16,461 --> 00:53:17,495 CHRIS: She was so excited. 1013 00:53:17,528 --> 00:53:19,330 She was so happy that he was doing that 1014 00:53:19,364 --> 00:53:21,466 and her whole persona, I remember, 1015 00:53:21,499 --> 00:53:23,468 that day just changed. 1016 00:53:23,501 --> 00:53:24,902 It was like she was-- 1017 00:53:24,935 --> 00:53:27,338 she realized that he was inside the body, 1018 00:53:27,372 --> 00:53:28,806 he was inside the bandages, 1019 00:53:28,839 --> 00:53:30,808 and I think that washer realization that day, 1020 00:53:30,841 --> 00:53:33,544 that her boywas still in that bed. 1021 00:53:33,578 --> 00:53:36,681 It wasn't just a bunch ofbandages laying there. 1022 00:53:36,714 --> 00:53:37,815 ALVARO LLANOS: I remember just feeling weak 1023 00:53:37,848 --> 00:53:40,418 and, like, you know, everything's blurry. 1024 00:53:40,451 --> 00:53:43,288 It was-- it was-- you don't realize what's going on. 1025 00:53:43,321 --> 00:53:44,221 You're still confused. 1026 00:53:44,255 --> 00:53:47,558 And it was-- it was hardbecause, you know, 1027 00:53:47,592 --> 00:53:49,860 you want to talk to peoplebut you couldn't. 1028 00:53:49,894 --> 00:53:53,264 One of my biggest fearsis probably being buried alive, 1029 00:53:53,298 --> 00:53:55,700 trying to communicate and you really can't. 1030 00:53:55,733 --> 00:53:57,768 You're trying to say something to somebody and you can't. 1031 00:53:57,802 --> 00:53:59,937 You got an itch and you can't scratch 1032 00:53:59,970 --> 00:54:00,971 because you can't move. 1033 00:54:03,441 --> 00:54:05,310 ALVARO: And you feel like the walls are closing in on you 1034 00:54:05,343 --> 00:54:09,647 and you see your family walking out, walking back in, 1035 00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:11,416 and you want to know what's going on out there. 1036 00:54:11,449 --> 00:54:13,818 You want to be able to live your normal life 1037 00:54:13,851 --> 00:54:15,553 and just walk out and see 1038 00:54:15,586 --> 00:54:17,822 what's going onin the next room 1039 00:54:17,855 --> 00:54:20,925 or in the area thereand you get frustrated. 1040 00:54:20,958 --> 00:54:23,994 You, like,you feel trapped and-- 1041 00:54:24,028 --> 00:54:26,030 and it's scarybecause you have-- 1042 00:54:26,063 --> 00:54:27,965 you don't have the strengthor energy 1043 00:54:27,998 --> 00:54:33,338 or you're not healthy enoughto be living a normal life. 1044 00:54:38,876 --> 00:54:43,013 ROBIN: So, after a few days of Alvaro occasionally blinking 1045 00:54:43,047 --> 00:54:45,916 and people thinking he's coming back to life. 1046 00:54:45,950 --> 00:54:47,051 SHAWN: Al had woke up out of his coma 1047 00:54:47,084 --> 00:54:49,554 but I didn't know what they wanted to do 1048 00:54:49,587 --> 00:54:52,623 was almost kind ofplay a trick on me. 1049 00:54:52,657 --> 00:54:54,692 ROBIN: Shawn came up after physical therapy one day, 1050 00:54:54,725 --> 00:54:55,826 his outpatient therapy, 1051 00:54:55,860 --> 00:54:58,563 and he came up to the room and he walked in 1052 00:54:58,596 --> 00:55:01,031 and said hi to everyone and he looked over at Al 1053 00:55:01,065 --> 00:55:03,701 and he said, "How you doing, Al?" 1054 00:55:03,734 --> 00:55:08,539 and Alvaro said his first words,"Chillin'," 1055 00:55:08,573 --> 00:55:10,941 and Shawn said,"What did you say?" 1056 00:55:10,975 --> 00:55:13,844 and Alvaro said, "Chillin'." 1057 00:55:16,514 --> 00:55:18,616 SHAWN: I just kind of like broke down then and-- 1058 00:55:18,649 --> 00:55:22,687 and it was just huge, you know, sigh of relief. 1059 00:55:22,720 --> 00:55:24,088 From that point on, I knew that, you know, 1060 00:55:24,121 --> 00:55:25,055 Al was going to get a lot better. 1061 00:55:27,658 --> 00:55:28,693 ALVARO: I could see in his face how-- 1062 00:55:28,726 --> 00:55:29,960 you know, how happy he was, 1063 00:55:29,994 --> 00:55:33,664 you know, to see me upand, you know, 1064 00:55:33,698 --> 00:55:35,866 he was trying to talk to meabout sports 1065 00:55:35,900 --> 00:55:37,602 and everythingthat was going on. 1066 00:55:37,635 --> 00:55:38,869 SHAWN: You know, I think it was a victory 1067 00:55:38,903 --> 00:55:40,671 for not only for me and Al 1068 00:55:40,705 --> 00:55:42,907 but it was a victory for all the nurses 1069 00:55:42,940 --> 00:55:44,842 that had dedicated so many time, you know, 1070 00:55:44,875 --> 00:55:47,678 so much time to him and, you know, the doctors who, 1071 00:55:47,712 --> 00:55:49,514 you know, performed the surgeries and-- 1072 00:55:49,547 --> 00:55:51,682 and for his family and-- and, you know, 1073 00:55:51,716 --> 00:55:53,918 for all our friends in the Seton Hall community. 1074 00:55:57,922 --> 00:56:03,127 After Alvaro startedreally regaining consciousness, 1075 00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:04,962 when he started talking a little bit, 1076 00:56:04,995 --> 00:56:08,533 he started asking his mother how he looked. 1077 00:56:09,734 --> 00:56:13,003 ( SPEAKING SPANISH ) 1078 00:56:27,552 --> 00:56:29,119 A cardinal rulein the Burn Unit 1079 00:56:29,153 --> 00:56:30,721 is you never lieto the patient. 1080 00:56:30,755 --> 00:56:32,657 It's so traumatic then. 1081 00:56:32,690 --> 00:56:35,860 You can't tell him he looks fine when he's disfigured. 1082 00:56:35,893 --> 00:56:37,728 ALVARO: She was scared to hurt my feelings, 1083 00:56:37,762 --> 00:56:39,464 to tell me the truth. 1084 00:56:39,497 --> 00:56:40,798 She didn't want to hurt me. 1085 00:56:43,834 --> 00:56:46,871 ROBIN: The therapist got the mirror, 1086 00:56:46,904 --> 00:56:48,072 walked in, and said, 1087 00:56:48,105 --> 00:56:49,674 "Alvaro, it's time for you to see yourself," 1088 00:56:49,707 --> 00:56:51,609 and he was terrified! 1089 00:56:53,611 --> 00:56:55,646 And the whole time Shawn'ssaying, "It's okay, buddy. 1090 00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:57,014 It's okay.You know, look at me. 1091 00:56:57,047 --> 00:56:59,183 I'm-- I'm burned too." 1092 00:56:59,216 --> 00:57:01,786 And Alvaro, finally, he looked in 1093 00:57:01,819 --> 00:57:04,154 and he had this stunned, numb look on his face 1094 00:57:04,188 --> 00:57:06,991 and he just stared. 1095 00:57:07,024 --> 00:57:09,760 ALVARO: It was very depressing seeing the bandages 1096 00:57:09,794 --> 00:57:13,464 and seeing all the bruises and, you know, 1097 00:57:13,498 --> 00:57:15,900 these weird marks on my face. 1098 00:57:15,933 --> 00:57:18,703 I was scared that, you know,would this ever improve, 1099 00:57:18,736 --> 00:57:20,070 will I go back to normal, 1100 00:57:20,104 --> 00:57:23,007 or will I look like thisfor the rest of my life? 1101 00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:25,710 It was emotionalas, you know, 1102 00:57:25,743 --> 00:57:27,144 and a tear dropped downfrom his eyes. 1103 00:57:29,013 --> 00:57:30,515 It was tough. It was tough for him, 1104 00:57:30,548 --> 00:57:31,516 it was tough for his parents, 1105 00:57:31,549 --> 00:57:33,551 it was tough for-- for everybody. 1106 00:57:33,584 --> 00:57:35,085 You know, I took off my maskat that point in time. 1107 00:57:35,119 --> 00:57:36,787 I said, "Al, look," you know, 1108 00:57:36,821 --> 00:57:38,623 "the same thing'shappened to me," you know, 1109 00:57:38,656 --> 00:57:42,593 and I think that wasa comforting, you know, 1110 00:57:42,627 --> 00:57:44,595 sight for him to see. 1111 00:57:44,629 --> 00:57:47,965 ALVARO: He showed me his-- his scars, 1112 00:57:47,998 --> 00:57:51,001 showed me how his scars healed 1113 00:57:51,035 --> 00:57:52,737 and that he was doing much better. 1114 00:57:52,770 --> 00:57:54,972 He was going tomake him better. 1115 00:57:55,005 --> 00:57:56,907 He was going to help him. 1116 00:57:56,941 --> 00:57:58,075 He loved Alvaro. 1117 00:57:58,108 --> 00:58:00,210 I could see the love growing between them. 1118 00:58:00,244 --> 00:58:03,881 It's incredible because we--we-- we share so much now 1119 00:58:03,914 --> 00:58:06,784 and we'll always be bondedfor life, you know. 1120 00:58:06,817 --> 00:58:09,153 We're always going to be survivors 1121 00:58:09,186 --> 00:58:11,188 and it's somethingI never, you know, 1122 00:58:11,221 --> 00:58:12,623 I never want to give up. 1123 00:58:17,327 --> 00:58:21,799 ROBIN: There wasn't one significant event 1124 00:58:21,832 --> 00:58:24,535 in Alvaro's recovery that Shawn wasn't there for. 1125 00:58:24,569 --> 00:58:25,670 Not one. 1126 00:58:25,703 --> 00:58:27,572 He insisted on being there for everything, 1127 00:58:27,605 --> 00:58:29,874 he made surehe was there for everything, 1128 00:58:29,907 --> 00:58:32,509 and Alvaro wanted him therefor everything. 1129 00:58:38,015 --> 00:58:39,684 JOHN: We knew we were on the right track. 1130 00:58:39,717 --> 00:58:42,587 All signs were pointing to these two guys, 1131 00:58:42,620 --> 00:58:44,254 that they were the ones who did it. 1132 00:58:44,288 --> 00:58:46,991 All those little pieces ofthe puzzle were put together, 1133 00:58:47,024 --> 00:58:48,559 presented to the grand jury. 1134 00:58:48,593 --> 00:58:51,862 Grand jury indicted basedon the evidence we presented 1135 00:58:51,896 --> 00:58:55,600 and then we, in turn,got arrest warrants. 1136 00:58:55,633 --> 00:58:58,235 I had personally been following LePore 1137 00:58:58,268 --> 00:59:00,805 from about four o'clock in the morning. 1138 00:59:00,838 --> 00:59:02,072 MIKE: On this particular day, 1139 00:59:02,106 --> 00:59:04,074 because of the report of the movements of LePore 1140 00:59:04,108 --> 00:59:05,409 going from bank to bank to bank, 1141 00:59:05,442 --> 00:59:08,746 the suspicion was that he was gathering money to flee. 1142 00:59:08,779 --> 00:59:10,915 JOHN: He panicked and went down a dead end. 1143 00:59:10,948 --> 00:59:15,085 MIKE: He tried to flee and in fact rammed a police car. 1144 00:59:15,119 --> 00:59:17,755 It was a relieffor a little bit, 1145 00:59:17,788 --> 00:59:19,857 but we knewthe difficult mount was coming 1146 00:59:19,890 --> 00:59:23,828 and that was to convict him and get him to trial. 1147 00:59:23,861 --> 00:59:26,063 For that brief second,hey, we-- we got him. 1148 00:59:30,901 --> 00:59:32,770 ROBIN: As if Al hadn't been through enough pain, 1149 00:59:32,803 --> 00:59:36,273 the burn recovery is so painful. 1150 00:59:36,306 --> 00:59:38,308 The stretching of his skin 1151 00:59:38,342 --> 00:59:41,345 because he wasso horribly scarred 1152 00:59:41,378 --> 00:59:42,747 this whole partof his body. 1153 00:59:42,780 --> 00:59:44,014 Roy had to stretch him 1154 00:59:44,048 --> 00:59:47,885 or he could've literally lost the use of his arms. 1155 00:59:47,918 --> 00:59:50,821 The scarred tissue,if you don't have any movement, 1156 00:59:50,855 --> 00:59:52,957 and once the scar matures,it gets tightened, 1157 00:59:52,990 --> 00:59:54,625 and you lose a range-- range of motion. 1158 00:59:55,826 --> 00:59:57,027 ROY: Sometimes I'd spend an hour in his room 1159 00:59:57,061 --> 00:59:58,228 stretching him out 1160 00:59:58,262 --> 01:00:01,165 and I could see him grimacing and kind of like 1161 01:00:01,198 --> 01:00:04,201 biting his teeth a little bit, but he took it. 1162 01:00:05,302 --> 01:00:07,337 ALVARO: He used to push me hard to, you know, 1163 01:00:07,371 --> 01:00:10,007 to make sure I don't lose that range, 1164 01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:14,278 so my body doesn't get tightand I can't live a normal life. 1165 01:00:14,311 --> 01:00:18,683 One of his concernswas hugging his girlfriend, 1166 01:00:18,716 --> 01:00:21,151 his family. 1167 01:00:21,185 --> 01:00:23,888 The only person he's huggin' at that time is me. 1168 01:00:25,255 --> 01:00:27,758 He also started to understand that 1169 01:00:27,792 --> 01:00:30,427 "this is not going to be as easy as I thought it was." 1170 01:00:30,460 --> 01:00:35,032 He's saying, "This hurts a lot, and I've got medication. 1171 01:00:35,065 --> 01:00:37,802 This still hurts," and I think he's realizing 1172 01:00:37,835 --> 01:00:39,804 this is not going to bea short haul, 1173 01:00:39,837 --> 01:00:41,305 this is going to bea long road. 1174 01:01:00,925 --> 01:01:03,761 SHAWN: Angie was-- was a saint for Al 1175 01:01:03,794 --> 01:01:07,064 and they made a beautiful couple. 1176 01:01:07,097 --> 01:01:08,766 You know, it was tough but she was there, 1177 01:01:08,799 --> 01:01:11,001 she definitely showed her commitment. 1178 01:01:11,035 --> 01:01:13,403 If, you know, a tear fell from his eye, 1179 01:01:13,437 --> 01:01:15,339 she was there to wipe it. 1180 01:01:15,372 --> 01:01:18,175 I think it was a partof his recovery as well. 1181 01:01:18,208 --> 01:01:19,376 We all wereworried about Angie 1182 01:01:19,409 --> 01:01:21,779 because this wasa young girl 1183 01:01:21,812 --> 01:01:25,082 who was dating this boyand she had to-- 1184 01:01:25,115 --> 01:01:26,984 to realize the extent of his injuries 1185 01:01:27,017 --> 01:01:29,086 and that he had a long road ahead of him. 1186 01:01:30,220 --> 01:01:31,421 After awhileI started to notice that, 1187 01:01:31,455 --> 01:01:33,357 hey, you know,she wasn't around as much. 1188 01:01:33,390 --> 01:01:35,726 I would ask,you know, nurses, 1189 01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:37,795 you know, you know,"Did Angie come?" 1190 01:01:38,796 --> 01:01:40,931 SHIRLEY: Then I started to worry because I was, like, 1191 01:01:40,965 --> 01:01:43,901 he's gonna need her support and he loves her so much. 1192 01:01:43,934 --> 01:01:46,837 For her not to be there, it would be heartbreaking. 1193 01:01:48,806 --> 01:01:50,775 ROBIN: One day she finally just said, 1194 01:01:50,808 --> 01:01:52,342 "I'm a-- I'm a kid. 1195 01:01:52,376 --> 01:01:54,311 I'm-- I'm trying to live a life and I'm-- 1196 01:01:54,344 --> 01:01:57,381 I'm here in this horrible placewatching my boyfriend die. 1197 01:01:57,414 --> 01:01:58,749 I can't do it anymore." 1198 01:01:58,783 --> 01:02:02,052 ( SPEAKING SPANISH ) 1199 01:02:10,861 --> 01:02:13,463 ROBIN: Spouses frequently left their burned spouses. 1200 01:02:13,497 --> 01:02:15,399 They just can't handle burns 1201 01:02:15,432 --> 01:02:18,235 and so they said to expect an 18-year-old girl 1202 01:02:18,268 --> 01:02:21,305 to stay with her boyfriendwho was so horribly burned, 1203 01:02:21,338 --> 01:02:22,940 it wasn't going to happen. 1204 01:02:22,973 --> 01:02:24,174 SHAWN: The world caught up to her. 1205 01:02:24,208 --> 01:02:25,375 She said, "Hey, you know, hey, 1206 01:02:25,409 --> 01:02:28,045 I need to get back into school and, you know, 1207 01:02:28,078 --> 01:02:30,915 I have my own personal life and-- and, you know, 1208 01:02:30,948 --> 01:02:31,916 I want to be here for Al," 1209 01:02:31,949 --> 01:02:34,018 but for herself she had to move on 1210 01:02:34,051 --> 01:02:36,987 and she had to just-- just get on with her own life. 1211 01:02:43,828 --> 01:02:47,131 ALL: * Happy birthday to you 1212 01:02:47,164 --> 01:02:51,435 * Happy birthday dear Al 1213 01:02:51,468 --> 01:02:54,438 * Happy birthday to you 1214 01:02:54,471 --> 01:02:57,007 ROBIN: It was Alvaro's 19th birthday in May, 1215 01:02:57,041 --> 01:02:58,342 while he was in the hospital. 1216 01:02:58,375 --> 01:03:00,210 SHIRLEY: My whole entire family, 1217 01:03:00,244 --> 01:03:02,546 all of his friends came and, 1218 01:03:02,579 --> 01:03:05,249 you know, we had a cake for him with a candle. 1219 01:03:05,282 --> 01:03:06,951 It was another stepin our victory. 1220 01:03:06,984 --> 01:03:08,318 You know, it was-- 1221 01:03:08,352 --> 01:03:10,454 it was a sense ofan accomplishment, you know, 1222 01:03:10,487 --> 01:03:13,023 and people had, you know,saw where Al came from 1223 01:03:13,057 --> 01:03:15,225 and where he was now. 1224 01:03:16,226 --> 01:03:19,296 SHANY: I guess just knowing that we were actually able 1225 01:03:19,329 --> 01:03:23,233 to celebrate his birthday,like, it actually happened. 1226 01:03:23,267 --> 01:03:24,468 He-- he woke up 1227 01:03:24,501 --> 01:03:26,336 and we're actuallycelebrating his birthday. 1228 01:03:26,370 --> 01:03:28,305 It was--it was just very emotional. 1229 01:03:28,338 --> 01:03:30,440 SHIRLEY: Very emotional because he pulled through 1230 01:03:30,474 --> 01:03:31,909 and very emotional for him 1231 01:03:31,942 --> 01:03:34,912 because it was a pointin his life 1232 01:03:34,945 --> 01:03:37,581 where it was almost likehe was starting over again. 1233 01:03:37,614 --> 01:03:40,951 ( JUMBLED CHATTER ) 1234 01:03:41,952 --> 01:03:43,921 SHAWN: Everybody was out in the waiting room so, 1235 01:03:43,954 --> 01:03:46,556 you know, I went to his room and I went to go, you know, 1236 01:03:46,590 --> 01:03:49,059 get him to bring him outto everybody, 1237 01:03:49,093 --> 01:03:52,362 and when I was in the room,he was in there writing. 1238 01:03:55,900 --> 01:03:57,234 ROBIN: And I can still see his-- 1239 01:03:57,267 --> 01:04:02,072 his handwriting was shaking but he wrote 1240 01:04:02,106 --> 01:04:06,143 "Shawn, you are a good friend." 1241 01:04:09,980 --> 01:04:13,217 SHAWN: It was one of the craziest feelings I ever felt. 1242 01:04:13,250 --> 01:04:17,321 I mean, he--it just was so heartfelt and-- 1243 01:04:17,354 --> 01:04:20,124 and, you know,I knew it was sincere 1244 01:04:20,157 --> 01:04:22,192 and it-- it-- it just showed that the bond 1245 01:04:22,226 --> 01:04:25,095 that me and Al had was-- was-- was a true bond. 1246 01:04:25,129 --> 01:04:26,530 ALVARO: Having him there, you know, 1247 01:04:26,563 --> 01:04:28,598 made it easier for me in the process. 1248 01:04:28,632 --> 01:04:31,235 He-- he gave me a lot of strength 1249 01:04:31,268 --> 01:04:33,337 and he'd been through all the situations I'd been through 1250 01:04:33,370 --> 01:04:35,940 and he was ahead of me recovery-wise 1251 01:04:35,973 --> 01:04:36,873 and just watching him 1252 01:04:36,907 --> 01:04:38,175 that he was getting backto normal, strong, 1253 01:04:38,208 --> 01:04:40,945 helped me get strongerand motivated 1254 01:04:40,978 --> 01:04:43,180 that I wanted to get backto a normal life like he is. 1255 01:04:43,213 --> 01:04:44,214 He's back to his. 1256 01:04:46,716 --> 01:04:50,220 ROY: You saw the camaraderie between the two of them, 1257 01:04:50,254 --> 01:04:52,022 and Alvaro wrote that. 1258 01:04:52,056 --> 01:04:55,459 It just reassured that that relationship was good. 1259 01:04:55,492 --> 01:04:57,094 Sometimes friends are friends 1260 01:04:57,127 --> 01:05:00,397 that don't talk to everybody every day, 1261 01:05:00,430 --> 01:05:02,532 but sometimes it's the things you say, 1262 01:05:02,566 --> 01:05:04,268 it's the things you do, 1263 01:05:04,301 --> 01:05:07,171 and the factthat he wrote that for us... 1264 01:05:07,204 --> 01:05:09,406 I mean, I watched some ofthe therapists around me, 1265 01:05:09,439 --> 01:05:10,674 you know, like,tears in their eyes 1266 01:05:10,707 --> 01:05:15,079 and, you know, it was like,"I don't believe he wrote that. 1267 01:05:15,112 --> 01:05:16,480 Why did he have to do that? 1268 01:05:16,513 --> 01:05:18,983 He knew we were going toget caught up in the moment. 1269 01:05:19,016 --> 01:05:20,717 He should've waited'til we were out of the room." 1270 01:05:20,750 --> 01:05:23,687 ( BACKGROUND CHATTER ) 1271 01:05:24,754 --> 01:05:27,224 SHIRLEY: And it was probably the best day he had 1272 01:05:27,257 --> 01:05:29,293 in the Burn Unit up to that point, 1273 01:05:29,326 --> 01:05:34,364 except that Angie was there and it was at, you know, 1274 01:05:34,398 --> 01:05:36,133 the end of their relationship. 1275 01:05:37,134 --> 01:05:40,170 ( SPEAKING SPANISH ) 1276 01:05:47,244 --> 01:05:48,612 There wereso many people around, 1277 01:05:48,645 --> 01:05:50,614 but the focuswas on him and Angie 1278 01:05:50,647 --> 01:05:53,183 and she was keptto the back. 1279 01:05:53,217 --> 01:05:57,687 Only Shawn joined her to try to make her feel better. 1280 01:05:57,721 --> 01:06:01,391 His family isolated her and she was very, very upset 1281 01:06:01,425 --> 01:06:02,559 and she finally decided-- 1282 01:06:02,592 --> 01:06:06,063 she started crying and she waded through the crowd 1283 01:06:06,096 --> 01:06:09,633 and leaned over to Alvaro and-- and she said, 1284 01:06:09,666 --> 01:06:11,768 "You can see what your family's doing. 1285 01:06:11,801 --> 01:06:12,802 Can't you?" 1286 01:06:12,836 --> 01:06:15,205 And he said, "I know you're leaving," 1287 01:06:15,239 --> 01:06:17,241 and she said, "I have to go." 1288 01:06:19,143 --> 01:06:22,579 She literally fled to the elevator and-- and-- 1289 01:06:22,612 --> 01:06:24,381 and he started crying because, he said, 1290 01:06:24,414 --> 01:06:28,285 that was really what he wantedmore than anything, 1291 01:06:28,318 --> 01:06:31,688 was to spend time with herand she was gone. 1292 01:06:31,721 --> 01:06:35,159 SHIRLEY: When she left, you could see the pain in his face 1293 01:06:35,192 --> 01:06:37,461 and his tears started to come down 1294 01:06:37,494 --> 01:06:40,564 and then I got very emotional,my sister got very emotional, 1295 01:06:40,597 --> 01:06:43,267 because we don't want tosee him like that. 1296 01:06:43,300 --> 01:06:44,434 He's already goingthrough enough. 1297 01:06:44,468 --> 01:06:47,003 We didn't want himto have added pain. 1298 01:06:51,108 --> 01:06:52,376 ALVARO: I wanted her relationship as a friend. 1299 01:06:52,409 --> 01:06:53,777 That's what I wanted. 1300 01:06:53,810 --> 01:06:57,081 I didn't care about, you know, being boyfriend-girlfriend 1301 01:06:57,114 --> 01:06:58,415 because at that moment, 1302 01:06:58,448 --> 01:07:01,518 I couldn't be a boyfriend to anybody because I had-- 1303 01:07:01,551 --> 01:07:02,686 I had my own lifeto worry about 1304 01:07:02,719 --> 01:07:07,157 and get my life back to living,back to a normal life. 1305 01:07:09,693 --> 01:07:13,363 ROBIN: He could see her moving away and moving away 1306 01:07:13,397 --> 01:07:16,366 and he told her, "You know, 1307 01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:18,802 I really don't want to have you around 1308 01:07:18,835 --> 01:07:21,705 because it's distracting to me in my recovery, 1309 01:07:21,738 --> 01:07:23,240 so you don'tneed to come anymore," 1310 01:07:23,273 --> 01:07:26,110 and the only reasonhe did that was to let her go, 1311 01:07:26,143 --> 01:07:29,179 to be kind to her,and he was heartbroken over it, 1312 01:07:29,213 --> 01:07:31,548 but that's justthe kind of a boy he is. 1313 01:07:38,788 --> 01:07:41,325 SHIRLEY: It was amazing when I saw that my brother 1314 01:07:41,358 --> 01:07:44,361 left the hospital and he came home 1315 01:07:44,394 --> 01:07:46,630 and my whole family greeted him at home 1316 01:07:46,663 --> 01:07:49,533 and my mom had cooked, like, his favorite meal. 1317 01:07:49,566 --> 01:07:52,269 They had set up the biggest room for him 1318 01:07:52,302 --> 01:07:55,172 and bought him, like, a new bedroom set 1319 01:07:55,205 --> 01:07:56,473 and he had all this love 1320 01:07:56,506 --> 01:07:59,143 and made it just so much more comfortable for him, 1321 01:07:59,176 --> 01:08:00,009 but it was just so exciting 1322 01:08:00,043 --> 01:08:02,612 just to have him thereafter so long. 1323 01:08:07,284 --> 01:08:08,785 ALVARO: It was hard when I first came home, 1324 01:08:08,818 --> 01:08:11,521 trying to, you know, get back to a normal life. 1325 01:08:11,555 --> 01:08:12,822 Everything was so hard. 1326 01:08:12,856 --> 01:08:15,125 You know, you feel like you're in a different body, 1327 01:08:15,159 --> 01:08:17,361 you're trying to do things that you used to do 1328 01:08:17,394 --> 01:08:18,695 and was so easy, so normal. 1329 01:08:18,728 --> 01:08:24,268 It's frustrating when you have your family helping you. 1330 01:08:24,301 --> 01:08:25,135 You don't want themto help you 1331 01:08:25,169 --> 01:08:26,503 and then you do want themto help you 1332 01:08:26,536 --> 01:08:27,737 and it gets frustrating. 1333 01:08:28,872 --> 01:08:29,906 SHANY: Almost every night, 1334 01:08:29,939 --> 01:08:33,477 I can hear my brother crying to my mom 1335 01:08:33,510 --> 01:08:37,481 saying that he's ugly now,that why did this happen to him, 1336 01:08:37,514 --> 01:08:39,616 saying that he didn'twant to live this way. 1337 01:08:47,691 --> 01:08:49,626 I would remember going into the room also 1338 01:08:49,659 --> 01:08:52,896 trying to console him, but I just felt like 1339 01:08:52,929 --> 01:08:54,764 there wasn't anythingI could say or do 1340 01:08:54,798 --> 01:08:56,666 to make him feel better. 1341 01:08:59,703 --> 01:09:04,474 ROBIN: He was by no means comfortable in his new skin, 1342 01:09:04,508 --> 01:09:06,643 his burned skin, for a very long time. 1343 01:09:06,676 --> 01:09:11,381 In fact, for a very long time,he hid in-- 1344 01:09:11,415 --> 01:09:13,550 in his bedroom in Patterson, 1345 01:09:13,583 --> 01:09:14,584 and you would walk in the room 1346 01:09:14,618 --> 01:09:15,752 and it would be dark except for the-- 1347 01:09:15,785 --> 01:09:19,155 the TV light because he was afraid to go out. 1348 01:09:29,299 --> 01:09:32,736 ROY: When you don't look like you used to look, 1349 01:09:32,769 --> 01:09:35,405 the questionis gonna always be is 1350 01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:37,173 "how will people accept me?" 1351 01:09:43,413 --> 01:09:45,615 ROBIN: I noticed with Alvaro when he would go out 1352 01:09:45,649 --> 01:09:46,983 and people would bestaring at him, 1353 01:09:47,016 --> 01:09:48,652 he'd pretend he didn't see 1354 01:09:48,685 --> 01:09:51,255 and would later say he knowseveryone stares at him. 1355 01:09:51,288 --> 01:09:53,757 Sometimes he would cry and say, "I'm so ugly." 1356 01:09:56,760 --> 01:09:58,395 I felt like everybodywas judging me 1357 01:09:58,428 --> 01:09:59,463 for the way I look. 1358 01:10:00,530 --> 01:10:02,399 ROY: Sometimes it's not what people say, 1359 01:10:02,432 --> 01:10:05,602 it's the look on your face that says a lot 1360 01:10:05,635 --> 01:10:07,871 and for these guys, they knew, 1361 01:10:07,904 --> 01:10:09,005 they'd already been in the mirror, 1362 01:10:09,038 --> 01:10:11,608 they'd already seen what they look like. 1363 01:10:11,641 --> 01:10:14,578 They can kind of read sometimeswhat other people are thinking 1364 01:10:14,611 --> 01:10:16,313 about how they must look. 1365 01:10:21,518 --> 01:10:23,953 SHIRLEY: Shawn actually gave him strength 1366 01:10:23,987 --> 01:10:26,523 and gave him hope, 1367 01:10:26,556 --> 01:10:28,892 and when my brother was down,he was there for him, 1368 01:10:28,925 --> 01:10:30,794 and he would tell himnot to give up. 1369 01:10:30,827 --> 01:10:33,029 Just having himby my side was, you know, 1370 01:10:33,062 --> 01:10:35,299 it was good for me,and even though sometimes, 1371 01:10:35,332 --> 01:10:36,533 we don't see each otherall the time, 1372 01:10:36,566 --> 01:10:37,967 but when we dosee each other, 1373 01:10:38,001 --> 01:10:39,969 we know we'll have this connection and-- 1374 01:10:40,003 --> 01:10:43,540 and we just, you know, like a magnet, 1375 01:10:43,573 --> 01:10:45,909 we just attract each other and it, you know, 1376 01:10:45,942 --> 01:10:48,712 feels good to have him as part of my family. 1377 01:10:50,880 --> 01:10:52,449 SHIRLEY: What I admire the most about my brother 1378 01:10:52,482 --> 01:10:54,784 was that he didn't give up 1379 01:10:54,818 --> 01:10:59,022 and that he made the best out of the situation 1380 01:10:59,055 --> 01:11:00,357 and even though it frustrated him, 1381 01:11:00,390 --> 01:11:02,859 even though he had his moments where he would, like, 1382 01:11:02,892 --> 01:11:04,928 you know, cry and get depressed, 1383 01:11:04,961 --> 01:11:07,597 which, it would've happenedto any regular person-- 1384 01:11:07,631 --> 01:11:08,632 but the fact that he-- 1385 01:11:08,665 --> 01:11:12,502 he made himself strong enoughto overcome that. 1386 01:11:15,572 --> 01:11:18,041 But then as time went on, and with all the support-- 1387 01:11:18,074 --> 01:11:21,077 the family support, support from Shawn, 1388 01:11:21,110 --> 01:11:22,078 from everyone, 1389 01:11:22,111 --> 01:11:24,080 just telling him and talking to him 1390 01:11:24,113 --> 01:11:26,916 and him realizing himself that there's more to life 1391 01:11:26,950 --> 01:11:30,687 than just how you look, he overcame that obstacle 1392 01:11:30,720 --> 01:11:32,622 and he started going out 1393 01:11:32,656 --> 01:11:34,891 and started feelingmore and more comfortable 1394 01:11:34,924 --> 01:11:36,993 and then that's howhe met his wife. 1395 01:11:37,994 --> 01:11:39,863 We laugh about itbecause we think about how 1396 01:11:39,896 --> 01:11:41,698 I didn't want togo out that night 1397 01:11:41,731 --> 01:11:43,367 and he also didn'twant to go out 1398 01:11:43,400 --> 01:11:45,969 and we were both kind offorced by our own friends. 1399 01:11:46,002 --> 01:11:50,374 And when Paula saw Alvaroacross the room, 1400 01:11:50,407 --> 01:11:54,544 she looked right past his scars and into his heart. 1401 01:11:54,578 --> 01:11:56,980 Ever since the first nightthat we did meet, 1402 01:11:57,013 --> 01:11:58,181 we were inseparable, 1403 01:11:58,214 --> 01:12:02,419 either through the phone or hanging out together. 1404 01:12:02,452 --> 01:12:05,389 And when he met her, like,you saw a whole different, 1405 01:12:05,422 --> 01:12:08,692 like, way about him,you know. 1406 01:12:08,725 --> 01:12:10,427 Like, he seemed more confident. 1407 01:12:10,460 --> 01:12:12,596 He wasn't so afraid. 1408 01:12:17,534 --> 01:12:20,036 JOHN: The indictments were felony murder, 1409 01:12:20,069 --> 01:12:22,639 aggravated arson, conspiracy, 1410 01:12:22,672 --> 01:12:24,441 witness tampering. 1411 01:12:24,474 --> 01:12:27,777 Their bail was setat $2 million cash, 1412 01:12:27,811 --> 01:12:28,978 no ten percent. 1413 01:12:29,012 --> 01:12:31,881 They would treatthe litigation, 1414 01:12:31,915 --> 01:12:33,617 when they would comeinto the courtroom, 1415 01:12:33,650 --> 01:12:35,452 like they wereat a sports bar-- 1416 01:12:35,485 --> 01:12:39,689 laughing, joking, mocking at court officers-- 1417 01:12:39,723 --> 01:12:41,691 which I interpreted to just be denial 1418 01:12:41,725 --> 01:12:43,527 that this is real at all. 1419 01:12:43,560 --> 01:12:45,595 JOHN: LePore, he was very arrogant, 1420 01:12:45,629 --> 01:12:46,663 and he was basically like, 1421 01:12:46,696 --> 01:12:48,898 "I'll be home before you get home." 1422 01:12:48,932 --> 01:12:51,768 And it wasn't untilthey saw the jury 1423 01:12:51,801 --> 01:12:54,704 that their attitudes changedand they became grave, 1424 01:12:54,738 --> 01:12:59,175 and shortly after that, um,they approached us with a plea 1425 01:12:59,208 --> 01:13:00,977 that includedState prison time. 1426 01:13:01,010 --> 01:13:04,113 JOE KAROL: For years, I dreamed of that moment 1427 01:13:04,147 --> 01:13:06,450 when I would be able to face them 1428 01:13:06,483 --> 01:13:08,852 and tell them in court what I thought of them, 1429 01:13:08,885 --> 01:13:11,821 and especially for the cowardice, 1430 01:13:11,855 --> 01:13:14,791 the denials, the lies. 1431 01:13:14,824 --> 01:13:17,627 I wanted to spill my gutsand tell them everything 1432 01:13:17,661 --> 01:13:20,129 that I thought of themface-to-face, 1433 01:13:20,163 --> 01:13:23,700 eye-to-eye, man-to-man,and I wasn't allowed to do that. 1434 01:13:23,733 --> 01:13:26,135 I was allowed to make a statement, 1435 01:13:26,169 --> 01:13:29,439 but the statement had to be made facing the judge. 1436 01:13:30,474 --> 01:13:34,143 CANDY: "I will never again hear him listen to his music. 1437 01:13:34,177 --> 01:13:37,714 "I will never again be able to hold him. 1438 01:13:37,747 --> 01:13:39,883 "I will never again be able to kiss him 1439 01:13:39,916 --> 01:13:41,518 and tell him goodnight." 1440 01:13:41,551 --> 01:13:42,986 But, Mr. LePore and Mr. Ryan, 1441 01:13:43,019 --> 01:13:44,954 eventually your judgment day will come 1442 01:13:44,988 --> 01:13:46,856 from the highest court, 1443 01:13:46,890 --> 01:13:47,924 and you will both see a jury 1444 01:13:47,957 --> 01:13:50,494 consisting of Frankie, Aaron, and John, 1445 01:13:50,527 --> 01:13:52,729 and on that day, justice will be served. 1446 01:13:54,263 --> 01:13:55,231 I would like to say 1447 01:13:55,264 --> 01:13:56,566 that these murderers should know 1448 01:13:56,600 --> 01:13:58,902 that the Ten Commandments say "Thou shalt not kill." 1449 01:13:58,935 --> 01:14:00,269 I hope that they think about that 1450 01:14:00,303 --> 01:14:02,672 every day and every night for the rest of their lives 1451 01:14:02,706 --> 01:14:04,040 and know that somewhere I will be out there 1452 01:14:04,073 --> 01:14:06,710 praying to God that they are eternally banished to hell 1453 01:14:06,743 --> 01:14:08,812 and you'll hear these words, "God damn them both, 1454 01:14:08,845 --> 01:14:10,847 God damn their families, God damn their prodigy, 1455 01:14:10,880 --> 01:14:13,049 and anyone who assisted them to commit these horrific acts." 1456 01:14:13,082 --> 01:14:14,083 JUDGE: Sir! Sir. 1457 01:14:15,218 --> 01:14:17,821 It was just so emotional, 1458 01:14:17,854 --> 01:14:21,625 and then, like,they were saying, like, 1459 01:14:21,658 --> 01:14:25,562 "How can you sit thereand smile and smirk 1460 01:14:25,595 --> 01:14:27,897 after you killed my brother?" 1461 01:14:27,931 --> 01:14:28,998 This is what they were telling-- 1462 01:14:29,032 --> 01:14:31,200 this is what the guy was telling them. 1463 01:14:31,234 --> 01:14:33,570 I mean, the judge even had totell him to calm down 1464 01:14:33,603 --> 01:14:35,905 because he, like,ripped the paper up 1465 01:14:35,939 --> 01:14:38,675 and, like, threw it 'causehe was so upset and so hurt. 1466 01:14:38,708 --> 01:14:40,744 There was so much pain there. 1467 01:14:42,111 --> 01:14:43,847 Candy and I were seated 1468 01:14:43,880 --> 01:14:46,816 right next toAlvaro and his wife 1469 01:14:46,850 --> 01:14:51,020 and I could feel the paincoming out of them. 1470 01:14:51,054 --> 01:14:54,824 Al could not even get up to make his own statement. 1471 01:14:54,858 --> 01:14:56,993 His wife read it for him, 1472 01:14:57,026 --> 01:15:01,030 and our hearts were justbleeding for him. 1473 01:15:02,031 --> 01:15:03,099 PAULA LLANOS: My name is Paula Llanos. 1474 01:15:03,132 --> 01:15:06,536 I'm reading this. My husband wrote it. 1475 01:15:13,276 --> 01:15:14,510 ( SNIFFING ) 1476 01:15:20,149 --> 01:15:21,918 ( SOBBING ) 1477 01:15:24,153 --> 01:15:26,255 At one point, 1478 01:15:26,289 --> 01:15:28,191 one of the arsonistslooked over-- 1479 01:15:28,224 --> 01:15:32,796 looked over toward Alvaroand actually smirked, 1480 01:15:32,829 --> 01:15:34,197 and it was hard to take. 1481 01:15:34,230 --> 01:15:36,299 It was like, "What are you thinking? 1482 01:15:36,332 --> 01:15:37,901 What are you thinking?" 1483 01:15:38,902 --> 01:15:39,936 SHIRLEY: It was very difficult for me 1484 01:15:39,969 --> 01:15:42,739 because seeing my brother there crying 1485 01:15:42,772 --> 01:15:43,773 and then seeing the people 1486 01:15:43,807 --> 01:15:46,042 that actually caused this to happen 1487 01:15:46,075 --> 01:15:48,612 to be there smiling, it was, like, 1488 01:15:48,645 --> 01:15:49,713 "How can you do that? 1489 01:15:49,746 --> 01:15:51,781 Like, do you realize the pain 1490 01:15:51,815 --> 01:15:55,251 you've caused him and the other victims, 1491 01:15:55,284 --> 01:15:58,622 and did you realize that because of what you did, 1492 01:15:58,655 --> 01:16:03,192 you killed three people,three innocent, young people, 1493 01:16:03,226 --> 01:16:05,629 you know,that were full of life?" 1494 01:16:08,632 --> 01:16:09,866 MIKE: Arson is the most difficult 1495 01:16:09,899 --> 01:16:11,134 criminal case to prove. 1496 01:16:11,167 --> 01:16:14,904 Only two percent of arsons result in a conviction, 1497 01:16:14,938 --> 01:16:17,741 either by a guilty verdict or a guilty plea. 1498 01:16:18,842 --> 01:16:20,076 TOMMY PUGLIESE: It was hard for them to pin the kids 1499 01:16:20,109 --> 01:16:21,377 to the actual incident, 1500 01:16:21,410 --> 01:16:24,347 I mean, outside of what they did and what they said 1501 01:16:24,380 --> 01:16:26,916 and what they didn't say and so on and so forth. 1502 01:16:26,950 --> 01:16:28,752 I mean, logistically we had to take it 1503 01:16:28,785 --> 01:16:31,054 because we always ran that risk 1504 01:16:31,087 --> 01:16:34,758 of them going to trialand then walking free. 1505 01:16:34,791 --> 01:16:35,992 It was not uncontroversial, 1506 01:16:36,025 --> 01:16:38,762 but I thoughtthat a very high value 1507 01:16:38,795 --> 01:16:41,931 had to be placed on the aspect of closure 1508 01:16:41,965 --> 01:16:47,336 brought by the open confession of the arsonists. 1509 01:16:47,370 --> 01:16:53,109 I had hoped that the two of them would take this moment to turn 1510 01:16:53,142 --> 01:16:57,647 and face the families and say, "I'm so sorry for what I did. 1511 01:16:57,681 --> 01:17:00,383 I cannot bring your son back. I wish I could." 1512 01:17:02,786 --> 01:17:07,090 JOE: Fifteen seconds to make a written, on yellow pad, 1513 01:17:07,123 --> 01:17:11,761 expression of so-called sorrowand all they said, 1514 01:17:11,795 --> 01:17:14,664 basically, was,"I'm sorry for your loss." 1515 01:17:15,464 --> 01:17:16,465 I'm sorry. 1516 01:17:16,499 --> 01:17:18,434 TV NEWS: LePore and Ryan were unemotional 1517 01:17:18,467 --> 01:17:19,736 through the sentencing. 1518 01:17:19,769 --> 01:17:22,872 Judge Fullilove said he was satisfied with the deal. 1519 01:17:22,906 --> 01:17:25,041 Many people who witnessed the emotional testimony 1520 01:17:25,074 --> 01:17:27,677 spoke of an "imperfect justice." 1521 01:17:27,711 --> 01:17:30,379 If justice is measured by the number of years 1522 01:17:30,413 --> 01:17:32,749 that they're doing behind bars, 1523 01:17:32,782 --> 01:17:35,351 then justice has not been received. 1524 01:17:35,384 --> 01:17:37,754 The reality is we have an imperfect system 1525 01:17:37,787 --> 01:17:39,022 that we work with 1526 01:17:39,055 --> 01:17:41,891 and that I am very, very satisfied 1527 01:17:41,925 --> 01:17:45,294 to see them walk away, handcuffed, to jail 1528 01:17:45,328 --> 01:17:48,064 and that that is a positive result, 1529 01:17:48,097 --> 01:17:49,899 given what we have here. 1530 01:17:49,933 --> 01:17:51,735 SHIRLEY: We just felt that they-- 1531 01:17:51,768 --> 01:17:55,438 they needed to be reprimanded for what they did. 1532 01:17:55,471 --> 01:17:58,942 Here, they changed my brother's life forever; 1533 01:17:58,975 --> 01:18:01,745 you know, not only my brother's but Shawn's 1534 01:18:01,778 --> 01:18:05,014 and how about these families that lost their child 1535 01:18:05,048 --> 01:18:08,017 because of their prank? 1536 01:18:08,051 --> 01:18:09,418 That, to me, is not a prank. 1537 01:18:09,452 --> 01:18:11,020 That, to me, is murder. 1538 01:18:19,428 --> 01:18:22,031 ROBIN: Six months after Shawn's recovery, 1539 01:18:22,065 --> 01:18:24,734 he decided, against doctors' orders, 1540 01:18:24,768 --> 01:18:26,936 that he was strong enough to go back to school, 1541 01:18:26,970 --> 01:18:28,237 and he did, 1542 01:18:28,271 --> 01:18:30,439 and Alvaro insisted on being there right by his side. 1543 01:18:32,041 --> 01:18:33,409 ALVARO: That day I was-- I was there for Shawn, 1544 01:18:33,442 --> 01:18:35,478 it was Shawn's first day back at school. 1545 01:18:38,281 --> 01:18:39,816 SHAWN: Going back to school for the first time 1546 01:18:39,849 --> 01:18:41,918 was a little nerve-racking. 1547 01:18:41,951 --> 01:18:44,453 I was afraid, you know, 1548 01:18:44,487 --> 01:18:48,257 of how people were going tolook at me and treat me. 1549 01:18:48,291 --> 01:18:49,392 It felt good to have-- 1550 01:18:49,425 --> 01:18:53,062 to be back in school,especially when Mr. Rodriguez 1551 01:18:53,096 --> 01:18:56,065 made me feel comfortable being back in school, too, 1552 01:18:56,099 --> 01:18:58,334 and at first it was a little, you know, weird 1553 01:18:58,367 --> 01:19:00,369 and, you know, I was a little nervous 1554 01:19:00,403 --> 01:19:02,071 but then I got comfortable with it. 1555 01:19:02,105 --> 01:19:05,775 When I saw themwalk in the room, 1556 01:19:05,809 --> 01:19:10,113 I was overcomeby the emotion, 1557 01:19:10,146 --> 01:19:13,482 and for a moment, I had to step out. 1558 01:19:19,022 --> 01:19:22,792 When I came backinto the classroom, 1559 01:19:22,826 --> 01:19:26,996 I wrote on the boarda few words that I-- 1560 01:19:27,030 --> 01:19:29,532 I thought expressed a message - 1561 01:19:29,565 --> 01:19:34,938 "compassion," "valor," "sacrificio," "lealtad" - 1562 01:19:34,971 --> 01:19:40,176 that to me proved how the human spirit 1563 01:19:40,209 --> 01:19:43,947 can overcome any adversity. 1564 01:19:43,980 --> 01:19:50,186 The students were amazing too, they way they welcomed them. 1565 01:19:50,219 --> 01:19:56,592 It was really a celebration, and at the same time, 1566 01:19:56,625 --> 01:19:59,528 it was welcoming back an old friend, 1567 01:19:59,562 --> 01:20:01,230 or two old friends. 1568 01:20:04,968 --> 01:20:07,170 ( BELLS TOLLING ) 1569 01:20:07,203 --> 01:20:09,472 JOE KAROL: When they erected the bell tower, 1570 01:20:09,505 --> 01:20:10,506 and those three bells 1571 01:20:10,539 --> 01:20:13,442 who represent Aaron, Frank, and John, 1572 01:20:13,476 --> 01:20:14,844 that's a perpetual memory, 1573 01:20:14,878 --> 01:20:19,315 that's an everlasting memory that will be there for them. 1574 01:20:19,348 --> 01:20:22,218 The "Remember" stone in front of Boland Hall, 1575 01:20:22,251 --> 01:20:26,489 it goes to the extent of remembering all of the victims. 1576 01:20:26,522 --> 01:20:30,093 ( BELLS TOLLING ) 1577 01:20:33,229 --> 01:20:36,065 And I know when we go there every January 19th 1578 01:20:36,099 --> 01:20:37,533 for the memorial Mass, 1579 01:20:37,566 --> 01:20:42,371 and you hear those bells go off,it touches my heart. 1580 01:20:47,376 --> 01:20:51,380 SHIRLEY: The memorial service was ten years later and the-- 1581 01:20:51,414 --> 01:20:54,918 the emotion in that room was overwhelming. 1582 01:20:57,620 --> 01:21:01,457 It is a day for all of us 1583 01:21:01,490 --> 01:21:06,395 forever etched in the historyof Seton Hall University. 1584 01:21:06,429 --> 01:21:09,598 JOE KAROL: It's a remembrance of all of us 1585 01:21:09,632 --> 01:21:12,068 who were there at the time, 1586 01:21:12,101 --> 01:21:14,470 and it's a lesson in remembrance 1587 01:21:14,503 --> 01:21:17,106 for those who weren't there at the time 1588 01:21:17,140 --> 01:21:19,675 but still attend the Mass. 1589 01:21:19,708 --> 01:21:21,978 This is wheremy life changed 1590 01:21:22,011 --> 01:21:25,281 and I wanted to be thereon the campus on that day 1591 01:21:25,314 --> 01:21:28,985 to see where I've come from and where I'm at now. 1592 01:21:29,018 --> 01:21:31,320 It's a great feelingwhen you have all these people 1593 01:21:31,354 --> 01:21:36,192 that remember that day and--and hopefully try to, 1594 01:21:36,225 --> 01:21:38,627 you know, make it into a positive light. 1595 01:21:38,661 --> 01:21:41,530 For me and forsome of the families, 1596 01:21:41,564 --> 01:21:44,433 it's more like a--a philosophy, really, 1597 01:21:44,467 --> 01:21:48,171 just to, you know, enjoy what you have, 1598 01:21:48,204 --> 01:21:49,605 enjoy the days that you're living 1599 01:21:49,638 --> 01:21:51,340 and enjoy the people that you know 1600 01:21:51,374 --> 01:21:55,344 and the people that you love and you can't stop. 1601 01:21:55,378 --> 01:21:56,379 You gotta keep going. 1602 01:21:57,313 --> 01:21:59,983 MIKE: The carnage of the innocent 1603 01:22:00,016 --> 01:22:02,218 can never be forgotten, 1604 01:22:02,251 --> 01:22:03,586 and I think one of the things 1605 01:22:03,619 --> 01:22:07,223 that makes it so memorable is that it was so senseless, 1606 01:22:07,256 --> 01:22:10,393 that it was an act of just pure stupidity 1607 01:22:10,426 --> 01:22:14,330 and pure cowardice, not malice, 1608 01:22:14,363 --> 01:22:16,332 that causedthis much carnage. 1609 01:22:16,365 --> 01:22:17,600 I thinkthat's one of the things 1610 01:22:17,633 --> 01:22:19,535 that gives the memoryof this fire 1611 01:22:19,568 --> 01:22:21,237 such staying power. 1612 01:22:25,708 --> 01:22:28,077 JOHN: The positive was the sprinkler laws. 1613 01:22:28,111 --> 01:22:29,345 Because of this tragedy, 1614 01:22:29,378 --> 01:22:32,081 all college dormitoriesin New Jersey 1615 01:22:32,115 --> 01:22:33,116 had to be sprinkled. 1616 01:22:34,650 --> 01:22:39,155 ROBIN: Unfortunately, it took the death of three boys 1617 01:22:39,188 --> 01:22:43,526 for laws to be made that mandate sprinklers 1618 01:22:43,559 --> 01:22:45,494 in universities across the country. 1619 01:22:55,038 --> 01:22:56,472 Mrs. Karol's like an angel 1620 01:22:56,505 --> 01:22:59,542 and they have fought relentlessly 1621 01:22:59,575 --> 01:23:02,545 to make sure that other peoplearen't hurt or killed 1622 01:23:02,578 --> 01:23:04,280 the way their own son is. 1623 01:23:04,313 --> 01:23:08,484 Personally, I-- I gained two boys that I love. 1624 01:23:08,517 --> 01:23:11,487 They're like my family. 1625 01:23:11,520 --> 01:23:16,725 Both Shawn and Alvaro visit colleges, college students, 1626 01:23:16,759 --> 01:23:19,762 and that way they keep their message alive. 1627 01:23:19,795 --> 01:23:22,065 ( INDISTINCT CHATTER ) 1628 01:23:22,098 --> 01:23:23,166 SHAWN: Hi, everybody. 1629 01:23:23,199 --> 01:23:28,737 My name is Shawn Simons,and this is my old roommate, 1630 01:23:28,771 --> 01:23:31,240 Alvaro Llanos,and we are... 1631 01:23:31,274 --> 01:23:33,742 ROBIN: People who are college students now, 1632 01:23:33,776 --> 01:23:36,612 many have not heard about the Seton Hall fire 1633 01:23:36,645 --> 01:23:42,485 and it's-- I know it's part of Shawn and Alvaro's mission 1634 01:23:42,518 --> 01:23:48,491 to make sure that they do know what can happen. 1635 01:23:48,524 --> 01:23:50,326 ...going real fastout the door, the-- 1636 01:23:50,359 --> 01:23:52,395 the ceiling just fellon top of me 1637 01:23:52,428 --> 01:23:54,730 and my whole jacketjust caught on fire. 1638 01:23:54,763 --> 01:23:57,100 Thank God there was two RA'scoming down the stairs 1639 01:23:57,133 --> 01:23:58,734 the same time this happened. 1640 01:23:58,767 --> 01:23:59,835 I-- I was rolling... 1641 01:23:59,868 --> 01:24:02,238 ROBIN: They-- they're the messengers and-- 1642 01:24:02,271 --> 01:24:06,409 and people admire them and respect them for that. 1643 01:24:14,417 --> 01:24:16,652 ( indistinct ) 1644 01:24:16,685 --> 01:24:18,254 SHAWN: I looked at the friendship 1645 01:24:18,287 --> 01:24:19,655 between me and Al and-- 1646 01:24:19,688 --> 01:24:22,491 and say, "Hey, we need to pass this on to other people, 1647 01:24:22,525 --> 01:24:24,793 and say, 'Hey, you know,we're just like you and, 1648 01:24:24,827 --> 01:24:26,162 you know, we've made it.'" 1649 01:24:27,430 --> 01:24:31,434 ROBIN: They became messengers for other burn patients, 1650 01:24:31,467 --> 01:24:34,870 especiallyyoung burn patients. 1651 01:24:34,903 --> 01:24:38,174 I saw Alvaro give one little boy actually 1652 01:24:38,207 --> 01:24:40,243 the will to live where there was no will to live. 1653 01:24:42,678 --> 01:24:45,848 EILEEN: They are resources for our social worker 1654 01:24:45,881 --> 01:24:48,384 to introduce them to other patients 1655 01:24:48,417 --> 01:24:50,519 that have either similar injuries 1656 01:24:50,553 --> 01:24:53,656 or maybe a little bit worse injuries than they had 1657 01:24:53,689 --> 01:24:56,225 and just to show them that, you know, 1658 01:24:56,259 --> 01:24:58,627 these boys were at your pointat one time 1659 01:24:58,661 --> 01:24:59,695 and look at them now. 1660 01:24:59,728 --> 01:25:01,864 They just have a sense of life to them 1661 01:25:01,897 --> 01:25:03,799 that's just inspiring. 1662 01:25:03,832 --> 01:25:06,302 I've gone to the hospitalwith Alvaro and Shawn 1663 01:25:06,335 --> 01:25:09,138 and I've seenhow a burn survivor 1664 01:25:09,172 --> 01:25:11,274 looks depressed inside, 1665 01:25:11,307 --> 01:25:13,776 and the second they see Alvaro and Shawn, 1666 01:25:13,809 --> 01:25:15,711 their eyes light up. 1667 01:25:15,744 --> 01:25:18,581 They look at themas hope that they-- 1668 01:25:18,614 --> 01:25:20,683 they can have a lifeafter the fire. 1669 01:25:22,351 --> 01:25:23,919 ALVARO: All that comes from what I have, 1670 01:25:23,952 --> 01:25:26,255 you know, from being burned and-- 1671 01:25:26,289 --> 01:25:28,757 and progressing with my life, hopefully they see that 1672 01:25:28,791 --> 01:25:30,893 and motivate them to, you know, try to work hard 1673 01:25:30,926 --> 01:25:32,628 and move on with their lifebecause there's-- 1674 01:25:32,661 --> 01:25:34,563 you know,there's better days ahead. 1675 01:25:36,699 --> 01:25:39,902 ( BIRDS CHIRPING ) 1676 01:25:47,376 --> 01:25:49,645 ROBIN: Shawn and Alvaro chose to get through this 1677 01:25:49,678 --> 01:25:51,447 and they chose to fight through it and-- 1678 01:25:51,480 --> 01:25:54,183 and as a result they have better lives now 1679 01:25:54,217 --> 01:25:56,385 than they did, somehow, before the fire. 1680 01:25:57,953 --> 01:26:00,256 ALVARO: I'm happy again, I'm-- I have a great life. 1681 01:26:00,289 --> 01:26:03,592 I have two beautiful kids, and a beautiful wife 1682 01:26:03,626 --> 01:26:06,395 and I'm living a normal life. 1683 01:26:06,429 --> 01:26:09,632 I try not to regretor look back at the past 1684 01:26:09,665 --> 01:26:10,699 and dwell on the past 1685 01:26:10,733 --> 01:26:13,402 because I have a future,you know. 1686 01:26:13,436 --> 01:26:15,538 Just keep going forward. 1687 01:26:15,571 --> 01:26:16,672 SHAWN: We became bigger men 1688 01:26:16,705 --> 01:26:19,742 than we probably would've been without it. 1689 01:26:19,775 --> 01:26:21,244 Our exterior being cracked 1690 01:26:21,277 --> 01:26:23,212 made us stronger men on the inside. 1691 01:26:23,246 --> 01:26:25,248 There's no reasonwhy we can't go through 1692 01:26:25,281 --> 01:26:26,515 anything else in life and-- 1693 01:26:26,549 --> 01:26:28,717 and not be able to,you know, get through it. 1694 01:26:28,751 --> 01:26:31,287 PAULA: The most thing that I admire about Alvaro and Shawn 1695 01:26:31,320 --> 01:26:35,658 is their courage to live every day as regular people, 1696 01:26:35,691 --> 01:26:38,594 just to go outand be who they are. 1697 01:26:38,627 --> 01:26:41,264 CHINAIRE FIELDS: They're happy, they have families, 1698 01:26:41,297 --> 01:26:42,531 they love each other. 1699 01:26:42,565 --> 01:26:44,967 I don't believe that Shawn and Al's relationship 1700 01:26:45,000 --> 01:26:46,335 will ever be broken. 1701 01:26:46,369 --> 01:26:48,671 I think it's a veryinspirational story 1702 01:26:48,704 --> 01:26:49,872 on all levels. 1703 01:26:49,905 --> 01:26:53,409 There's a saying that I--like, I relate with my brother. 1704 01:26:53,442 --> 01:26:57,280 It's saying"my story has no value 1705 01:26:57,313 --> 01:26:59,582 if no one can hear it," and every time I hear that, 1706 01:26:59,615 --> 01:27:02,385 I always think of my brother because he has a story and-- 1707 01:27:02,418 --> 01:27:04,920 and if people can hear it, I do think they-- 1708 01:27:04,953 --> 01:27:06,755 they can get inspired from it. 1709 01:27:06,789 --> 01:27:09,392 CHRIS: I think that the Seton Hall fires 1710 01:27:09,425 --> 01:27:13,662 brought a lot of things to lightfor a very small community, 1711 01:27:13,696 --> 01:27:14,797 but yet a nation, 1712 01:27:14,830 --> 01:27:17,400 and I really thinkthat what it did 1713 01:27:17,433 --> 01:27:18,801 is it made people realize 1714 01:27:18,834 --> 01:27:21,704 that fire does not haveany prejudice, 1715 01:27:21,737 --> 01:27:22,838 it will get anyone, 1716 01:27:22,871 --> 01:27:24,940 and then the inspiration of these two boys, 1717 01:27:24,973 --> 01:27:27,410 that they were able to get through. 1718 01:27:27,443 --> 01:27:30,045 I think that people look at burn patients 1719 01:27:30,078 --> 01:27:31,680 a little bit differently. 1720 01:27:31,714 --> 01:27:33,549 Here is two young boys that are now 1721 01:27:33,582 --> 01:27:35,918 still an active part of the community. 1722 01:27:35,951 --> 01:27:37,353 It absolutely affected everyone. 1723 01:27:37,386 --> 01:27:40,923 It showed everyone you have to pull together in a tragedy, 1724 01:27:40,956 --> 01:27:43,025 and I think that's what our community did. 1725 01:27:45,494 --> 01:27:48,497 ( MUSIC PLAYING ) 1726 01:30:08,103 --> 01:30:11,106 ( MUSIC FADES OUT ) 134818

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