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Doctor Who.
It's one of Britain's
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biggest television successes,
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both here in the U.K.
and abroad.
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Now over 50 years old
and broadcast
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all over the world,
I say that's quite impressive.
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Over the years,
the show has seen many changes.
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So far we've traveled
with eleven doctors and...
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An awful lot of companions.
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And things are about
to change again.
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Companion Clara Oswald
is about to begin
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a whole new adventure
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as actor Peter Capaldi
steps onboard the TARDIS
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to become the twelfth Doctor.
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I spent three years
playing the fifth Doctor,
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but now I want to know
what life is like
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as the Doctor's companion,
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so I'm beginning
a journey of my own.
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I want to know what it takes
to be the ultimate
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Doctor Who companion.
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Can it be done?
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I'm about to find out.
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# Doctor Who#
The Ultimate Companion
Original Air Date on August 16, 2013
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== sync, corrected by elderman ==
@elder_man
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Coming up on my quest for
the ultimate companion,
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I meet up with the ultimate
in Doctor Who talent.
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I get the chance to speak
to Clara Oswald herself,
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actor Jenna Coleman.
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The new Doctor
ruffles her feathers
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in a way that
the other Doctor didn't.
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I take a stroll
down memory lane
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with former companion
Noel Clarke.
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The companions makes it
relatable to the guy at home
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who's like, "well,
I can't quite be the Doctor,
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but I could be
the companion."
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Got it? Thank you.
Yeah.
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I go to America
and hear from the very popular
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John Barrowman.
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Once you are in this --
I call it
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the who family,
you're there for
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the rest of your life.
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I walk the corridors
of the Doctor Who studios
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with showrunner Steven Moffat.
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The companion
goes on
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a different journey from
being just an ordinary person
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sometimes to being
a superhero.
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I go
to the movies to see
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the tenth Doctor,
David Tennant,
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back on the big screen.
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He seems drawn back to
the idea of a soulmate.
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And I hear exclusively
from the new twelfth Doctor,
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actor Peter Capaldi.
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There's a little bit of me
that likes hearing
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Clara shout, "Doctor, Doctor!"
As we run down the corridor.
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Oh, hello.
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I'm just trying to get my
trusty TARDIS moving again.
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It's been well over
30 years since
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I began my time
as the fifth Doctor,
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and they've finally given me
a copy of the manual.
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Fascinating.
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It's all coming back to me.
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As Tom Baker's
fourth Doctor regenerated,
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my time onboard the TARDIS
as the fifth Doctor began.
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Together with my
trusty companions,
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it was quite an experience.
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My time as the Doctor
provided plenty of adventures
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as I traveled through
space and time,
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but like the Time Lords
that had gone before me,
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I didn't travel alone.
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The Doctor's always
needed a companion,
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or two or three,
to assist him in
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his time-traveling adventures
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and to get him out of
the occasional scrape, or two.
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Or three.
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You can see where I'm
going with this, can't you?
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No? Okay.
It's time for a clip.
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Even today,
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the Doctor's companion,
Clara Oswald,
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can be relied upon to
get him out of trouble
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and to occasionally
save his life.
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No. Please.
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If this works,
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get out of here
as fast as you can
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and spare me a thought
now and then.
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No. Clara.
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In fact,
do you know what?
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Run.
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Run, you clever boy.
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And remember me.
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No. Clara!
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Being a Doctor's companion,
often the Doctor's lifesaver,
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is a big responsibility,
so just what does it take?
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I want to find out for myself,
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what type of
characters are they?
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Is there a formula
or a blueprint
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to create a Doctor Who
companion,
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and if so, what would it
take to create
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the ultimate
Doctor Who companion?
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So, with my trusty TARDIS
now up and running,
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I think it's time I took
one last trip to find out.
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The Doctor is a strange
and unknowable man.
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He's -- you might be
fascinated by him
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and in a way
seduced by him,
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but you don't ever
quite know him.
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You don't even know his name.
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So the main character
of Doctor Who,
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in most cases,
the person whose journey
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you're watching is actually
the companion's journey.
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They're not just
the Doctor's companion.
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In a way, the Doctor's
their companion.
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It's about Rose Tyler
or Amy Pond or Clara Oswald.
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It's their story,
their journey,
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how that begins
and how that ends.
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It's not that the companion
is important to Doctor Who.
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You could almost argue
the companion is Doctor Who.
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She is the person
or he is the person
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who is asking that question
embodied in the title.
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Ever since
the first Doctor,
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there have been companions,
and when it came to my Doctor,
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I was spoiled for choice.
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I had five in total,
and they were all
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very different to each other.
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To help me gain
a better idea
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of what it was like
to travel with
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the Doctor back then,
I've invited round
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Janet Fielding,
who played Tegan,
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and Sarah Sutton,
who played Nyssa
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to get an insider's
point of view.
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The main reason
I've asked you here
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is I'm set on a mission.
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I'm on a quest to discover
if it's possible
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to design
the ultimate companion.
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And as in my mind, you two
were ultimate companions...
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Well said.
Good answer.
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So far.
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I just wondered if you have
any ideas about, you know,
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what makes
an ultimate companion,
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what qualities
do they have to have?
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Well, to me the Doctor
perhaps sees
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the problem-solving thing
in a different way.
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'Cause if the assistant
or companion, beg your pardon,
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wasn't there getting
into trouble,
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then the Doctor would have
just gone off
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and done his own thing,
solved something in one way,
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and maybe the companion
makes the Doctor
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see things through
a different perspective.
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Do you agree?
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Yes, of course,
but isn't it true,
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or maybe it wasn't so true,
then,
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that we see the TARDIS
and the Doctor's adventures
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through the eyes
of the companion?
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I think it's truer now,
isn't it?
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Yeah, I think so.
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It's much truer now.
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I think the companions now,
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much more -- you know,
you relate to them much more.
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So let's see
how the companions'
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relationship with
the Doctor has changed.
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Cue Clara.
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Draft.
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Fancy a week
in ancient Mesopotamia
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followed by future Mars?
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Will there be cocktails?
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On the Moon.
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The Moon'll do.
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Ha ha!
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What they've discovered
in the new series,
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it seems to me,
is just how to make
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the companions
just more important.
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The doctors were
more emotionally remote
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in the '80s,
weren't they?
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Yes.
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So the whole point
was that you weren't --
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your characters weren't
very emotional.
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You were complete outsiders.
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Whereas you notice --
especially I notice
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with Matt Smith,
watching the interaction
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between him,
Rory, and Amy,
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and he does that with
a certain air of wistfulness.
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2,000 years.
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The boy who waited.
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Good on you, mate.
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Have you got any contributions
in terms of
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what traits and qualities
I should put on my list
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for my ultimate companion?
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It's that likability,
and you have to have
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a fallibility,
I think you do,
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you have to have flaws,
you know?
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I think the flaws,
actually,
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I'm beginning to realize
the flaws are as important,
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really, as the qualities.
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To create the drama.
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Well, thank you both
very much for coming along,
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and it's been very useful
to talk to you.
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As Clara Oswald
is about to start
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a new journey with
a new Doctor played by actor
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Peter Capaldi, I want to know
what she should expect
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when a new Doctor begins
his time on the TARDIS.
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No, no!
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Please don't change.
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So I've met up with
actress Nicola Bryant,
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who played my American companion
Peri Brown,
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to find out how she managed
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when I regenerated
from the fifth Doctor
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into Colin Baker's
new sixth Doctor.
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You had it
particularly difficult,
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and it's a problem that
Jenna Coleman is
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about to come up against,
and that is that up to now,
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you did two
very nice stories
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with me as the Doctor,
including, actually,
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one of the greatest Doctor Who
stories ever made,
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"The Caves of Androzani,"
and then at the end of that,
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suddenly, whoosh,
I turn into Colin Baker,
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and you have a completely
different Doctor to deal with.
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Now, we built up
a kind of relationship
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over those two stories.
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How difficult was it then
to move on?
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I think in terms of
the character,
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in terms of Peri, you just,
like an actor,
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you have to be
incredibly flexible.
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I think the reason
she stayed --
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'cause you have to
find the reason.
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Why am I staying
with this new Doctor
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who in my case was particularly
cantankerous and difficult?
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Doctor?
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You were expecting
someone else?
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I...I...I...
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Those three "I's" in one breath
makes you sound
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a rather egotistical
young lady.
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And I look at
Doctor Who now,
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and I just wondered
how you viewed
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the Doctor Who now
in the sense that I think
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when it came back,
from Rose onwards, really,
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the companion became so much
more of an important part.
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I have to say that
when I saw Rose,
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it was almost like her journey
was the journey
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that I wanted
Peri to go on.
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I love you.
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Quite right, too.
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And I suppose...
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It's my last chance
to say it.
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Rose Tyler --
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Okay,
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I think we've established
on top of everything else,
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we doctors give the companions
a big problem.
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No sooner do we welcome them
into the TARDIS,
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make them feel really at home,
and we suddenly
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turn into someone
completely different.
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They have to be the ultimate
in adaptability
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and yet know exactly
what they want.
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Clara is an unusual one
because she has to
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go through two doctors,
in fact.
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Several more if
you count the 50th.
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And Clara being I suppose
a girl who likes
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everything in its box,
quite in control,
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quite sort of perfect
in a way,
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um, has a great time with
the Matt Smith Doctor
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because he rolls over
on his back
258
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and she tickles his tummy
and that's fine.
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She gets all the adoration
she requires
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and she puts him back
in his police box
261
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when she's bored of him
and goes back to a normal life.
262
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Then along comes
the Peter Capaldi Doctor,
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and things change, rather,
but you'll have to
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keep watching
to find out how.
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It's fair to say
that the tenth Doctor
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recruited a diverse range
of companions,
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so who better to ask about
what makes an ultimate companion
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than the man himself,
actor David Tennant?
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Right, okay, so, David,
thank you very much
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for spending some time
and coming along today.
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I wanted to ask you,
why do you think the Doctor
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needs a companion?
273
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When he periods
of traveling alone,
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which my Doctor certainly did,
he seems drawn back to the idea
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of a soulmate after not very
much time on his own.
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I think perhaps he doesn't
like his own company.
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Do you find that
different companions
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complemented the Doctor
in different ways?
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How did you find playing
with different companions
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affecting the way you --
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Well, I suppose one of
the difficult things
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in the character that
283
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any kind of heroic character
that kind of
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can't change too much
or the series is broken,
285
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you kind of --
you're always looking
286
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for new ways to explore
who that character is,
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and one of the best ways
of doing that
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is by giving them
a different opposite number,
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and to change the kind of
dynamics of
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those opposite numbers,
to show different aspects
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of that continuing
character's personality.
292
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But talking about it
affecting the dynamics,
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we have a clip here
of you in the TARDIS,
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and I thought, as I say,
I had three and that was a lot.
295
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Look at this.
296
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Cue the curtains!
297
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It's like the Saturday morning
pictures all over again.
298
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Sarah, hold that.
Mickey, you hold that.
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'Cause you know why
this TARDIS is always
300
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rattling about the place?
Rose, that, there.
301
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It was designed
to have six pilots,
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and I have to do it
single-handed.
303
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Martha,
keep that level.
304
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But not anymore. Jack,
there you go, steady that.
305
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Now we can fly this thing --
n--no, Jackie,
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00:15:48,694 --> 00:15:49,793
no, no, not you.
307
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Don't touch anything.
Just...
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Stand back.
309
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All right, then.
Off we go.
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So there you are dealing
with the multidynamics
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of an enormous number
of companions.
312
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I couldn't even --
313
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almost as many
as you had.
314
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Almost as many, yeah,
315
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and in that scene,
for example,
316
00:16:10,883 --> 00:16:12,916
I thought, you know,
you were playing
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00:16:12,918 --> 00:16:15,452
multi-comedic facets
of those various companions
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that you'd picked up
along the way,
319
00:16:17,390 --> 00:16:19,390
and it is quite important,
isn't it?
320
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I mean, apart from
imparting information,
321
00:16:21,594 --> 00:16:23,694
it's also a chance
to have a bit of fun.
322
00:16:23,696 --> 00:16:26,096
Yes, I suppose,
otherwise it can be a bit dour,
323
00:16:26,098 --> 00:16:28,766
can't it, and I suppose
there's always going to be --
324
00:16:28,768 --> 00:16:32,403
because the Doctor's always
going to be older,
325
00:16:32,405 --> 00:16:36,874
wiser, alien, and the companion
tends to be younger, human,
326
00:16:36,876 --> 00:16:40,110
there's a disparity there
which lends itself
327
00:16:40,112 --> 00:16:42,346
to comedy, I guess,
as well.
328
00:16:42,348 --> 00:16:45,015
Absolutely. So what do you
think that our companion --
329
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are there things
that you could actually
330
00:16:47,086 --> 00:16:49,953
lay down and say a companion
needs to have these qualities?
331
00:16:49,955 --> 00:16:52,523
You need to have
a certain courage.
332
00:17:54,725 --> 00:18:00,695
A wanderlust,
um, and I suppose
333
00:18:00,697 --> 00:18:02,664
a sense of themself,
a sense --
334
00:18:02,666 --> 00:18:04,532
you need someone who
can stand up to him.
335
00:18:04,534 --> 00:18:06,701
So confidence.
336
00:18:06,703 --> 00:18:07,769
Needs a lot of confidence.
337
00:18:07,771 --> 00:18:08,937
Excellent,
it's been really helpful.
338
00:18:08,939 --> 00:18:11,506
Good, I'm delighted
to be of service.
339
00:18:11,508 --> 00:18:12,540
Thank you.
340
00:18:14,593 --> 00:18:16,827
One of the most
obvious things I can see
341
00:18:16,829 --> 00:18:18,462
when it comes to
being a companion
342
00:18:18,464 --> 00:18:20,131
is that they have to
be courageous
343
00:18:20,133 --> 00:18:24,001
in the face of danger,
and for the companions,
344
00:18:24,003 --> 00:18:28,239
when the Doctor's around,
danger is never far away.
345
00:18:28,241 --> 00:18:31,942
So to find out what it takes
to step up and stare danger
346
00:18:31,944 --> 00:18:35,646
right between the eyes,
I'm meeting up with someone who,
347
00:18:35,648 --> 00:18:38,716
well, let's just say
they learnt to be brave.
348
00:18:38,718 --> 00:18:41,018
Ah.
349
00:18:41,020 --> 00:18:42,353
I think he's here.
350
00:18:42,355 --> 00:18:43,554
Hello, sir.
351
00:18:43,556 --> 00:18:45,723
How are you?
I'm good. How are you doing?
352
00:18:45,725 --> 00:18:47,324
Nice to see you.
Yeah, you too.
353
00:18:47,326 --> 00:18:48,426
The truth is, Noel,
354
00:18:48,428 --> 00:18:50,394
I've always wanted
to meet someone
355
00:18:50,396 --> 00:18:52,229
in the middle of
Chelsea bridge.
356
00:18:52,231 --> 00:18:53,330
Well, we're meeting.
357
00:18:53,332 --> 00:18:55,633
No, the thing is,
I've been set this quest
358
00:18:55,635 --> 00:18:58,169
to discover a design for
the ultimate companion,
359
00:18:58,171 --> 00:18:59,904
and we've asked
various people
360
00:18:59,906 --> 00:19:02,440
for suggestions about
what it takes to make
361
00:19:02,442 --> 00:19:03,607
an ultimate companion.
362
00:19:03,609 --> 00:19:05,476
What's interesting
about your case
363
00:19:05,478 --> 00:19:07,445
is that you didn't
start off as one,
364
00:19:07,447 --> 00:19:09,947
it seemed to me, anyway,
correct me if I'm wrong.
365
00:19:09,949 --> 00:19:12,783
You seemed to start off as
a slightly weedly,
366
00:19:12,785 --> 00:19:14,185
almost dumped boyfriend.
367
00:19:14,187 --> 00:19:16,220
Yeah, very much so,
very much so.
368
00:19:16,222 --> 00:19:18,289
I think that was
sort of the idea.
369
00:19:28,433 --> 00:19:29,700
Originally the character
370
00:19:29,702 --> 00:19:31,902
was only supposed to be in
for three episodes,
371
00:19:31,904 --> 00:19:33,804
you know, because it was
such a weedly,
372
00:19:33,806 --> 00:19:35,372
you know,
scaredy-cat character.
373
00:19:35,374 --> 00:19:37,641
They knew that the Doctor
wouldn't really like him
374
00:19:37,643 --> 00:19:39,944
and they knew the fans
wouldn't really take to him,
375
00:19:39,946 --> 00:19:42,613
and so he was supposed to be
that sort of take-for-granted --
376
00:19:42,615 --> 00:19:44,882
take his girlfriend for granted
type of boyfriend.
377
00:19:44,884 --> 00:19:47,084
A fat lot good you were.
378
00:19:49,021 --> 00:19:52,189
Nesting Consciousness?
379
00:19:52,191 --> 00:19:53,824
Easy. Right, then.
380
00:19:53,826 --> 00:19:55,926
I'll be off.
381
00:19:55,928 --> 00:19:58,028
Unless, I don't know.
382
00:19:58,030 --> 00:20:00,030
You could come with me.
383
00:20:00,032 --> 00:20:01,065
Don't.
384
00:20:01,067 --> 00:20:03,434
He's an alien,
he's a thing!
385
00:20:03,436 --> 00:20:05,102
He's not invited.
386
00:20:05,104 --> 00:20:08,038
You did then become
gradually more heroic
387
00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:09,607
as the series went on.
388
00:20:09,609 --> 00:20:11,675
Like real life,
obviously.
389
00:20:36,677 --> 00:20:38,677
There's an argument,
of course,
390
00:20:38,679 --> 00:20:41,447
that the companion,
since the series came back,
391
00:20:41,449 --> 00:20:43,682
that the companions
are as important
392
00:20:43,684 --> 00:20:46,519
if not sometimes more
important than the Doctor.
393
00:20:46,521 --> 00:20:47,887
I think they ground it.
394
00:20:47,889 --> 00:20:49,788
I think they
ground the show.
395
00:20:49,790 --> 00:20:51,590
They bring
the real life element.
396
00:20:51,592 --> 00:20:53,592
You know, Rose with
Mickey and Jackie
397
00:20:53,594 --> 00:20:56,762
and then, you know, Martha
and her family and Donna and,
398
00:20:56,764 --> 00:20:58,297
the companions bring that,
399
00:20:58,299 --> 00:21:00,399
and I think it
makes it relatable
400
00:21:00,401 --> 00:21:02,134
to the guy at home who's like,
401
00:21:02,136 --> 00:21:04,336
"well, I can't quite
be the Doctor,
402
00:21:04,338 --> 00:21:06,772
but I could be the companion,"
you know?
403
00:21:06,774 --> 00:21:08,841
So it's a combination,
what you need,
404
00:21:08,843 --> 00:21:11,510
and I guess you have it,
is a combination
405
00:21:11,512 --> 00:21:13,646
of uniqueness
and yet everyman.
406
00:21:13,648 --> 00:21:15,748
The everyman, yeah.
Which is a fantastic quality to have.
407
00:21:15,750 --> 00:21:17,816
Well, thanks very much.
408
00:21:17,818 --> 00:21:19,418
Thank you so much
for having me.
409
00:21:21,621 --> 00:21:24,123
I'm beginning
to get a good idea
410
00:21:24,125 --> 00:21:26,725
of the elements that
help make a companion.
411
00:21:26,727 --> 00:21:29,228
So far, I've realized
that the companions
412
00:21:29,230 --> 00:21:31,964
have to be keen on adventure,
413
00:21:31,966 --> 00:21:34,500
they have to be adaptable,
heroic, even.
414
00:21:34,502 --> 00:21:37,469
But what about the actors
who play the companion?
415
00:21:37,471 --> 00:21:40,239
They have to take this part
and make it their own,
416
00:21:40,241 --> 00:21:43,142
face all the challenges
thrown at them by the Doctor,
417
00:21:43,144 --> 00:21:45,244
and yet make their
companion unique.
418
00:21:45,246 --> 00:21:47,379
Just as actor
Jenna Coleman has.
419
00:21:47,381 --> 00:21:50,783
Hello.
420
00:21:50,785 --> 00:21:51,884
Clara Oswald.
421
00:21:51,886 --> 00:21:54,053
Yeah?
Clara Oswin Oswald?
422
00:21:54,055 --> 00:21:55,988
Just Clara Oswald.
What was that middle one?
423
00:21:55,990 --> 00:21:58,057
Do you remember me?
424
00:21:58,059 --> 00:21:59,858
No.
425
00:21:59,860 --> 00:22:01,327
Should I?
Who are you?
426
00:22:01,329 --> 00:22:02,561
The Doctor.
427
00:22:02,563 --> 00:22:03,729
No?
428
00:22:03,731 --> 00:22:04,897
The Doctor?
429
00:22:04,899 --> 00:22:06,699
Doctor Who?
430
00:22:06,701 --> 00:22:08,767
No, just the Doctor.
431
00:22:09,736 --> 00:22:12,071
Actually, sorry, could you
just ask me that again?
432
00:22:12,073 --> 00:22:14,306
Could I what?
Just ask me that question again?
433
00:22:14,308 --> 00:22:15,941
Doctor Who.
434
00:22:15,943 --> 00:22:17,009
Okay, just once more.
435
00:22:17,011 --> 00:22:18,043
Doctor Who?
436
00:22:18,045 --> 00:22:19,045
Oh, yeah.
437
00:22:19,046 --> 00:22:21,180
Ooh.
438
00:22:21,182 --> 00:22:22,182
Do you know,
439
00:22:22,183 --> 00:22:24,350
I never realized
how much I enjoy
440
00:22:24,352 --> 00:22:26,785
hearing that said out loud.
Thank you.
441
00:22:26,787 --> 00:22:29,255
Okay.
Hey, no! Clara!
442
00:22:32,025 --> 00:22:36,362
The main thing about auditions
is that when they work,
443
00:22:36,364 --> 00:22:39,598
you start off
explaining the character
444
00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:42,568
to the actor or actress,
and then,
445
00:22:42,570 --> 00:22:44,703
in the course of
a successful audition,
446
00:22:44,705 --> 00:22:46,972
they start explaining
the character to you
447
00:22:46,974 --> 00:22:49,675
and the way they act,
and it just happens sometimes,
448
00:22:49,677 --> 00:22:50,709
it just catches fire.
449
00:22:50,711 --> 00:22:52,511
It's the easiest thing
in the world
450
00:22:52,513 --> 00:22:54,713
to spot a successful audition,
to spot a star.
451
00:22:54,715 --> 00:22:55,981
It really is.
452
00:22:55,983 --> 00:22:58,384
The stardom is not
difficult to see.
453
00:22:58,386 --> 00:23:00,586
With Jenna as Clara,
454
00:23:00,588 --> 00:23:02,888
I remember very vividly,
there was just a moment
455
00:23:02,890 --> 00:23:05,424
when she and Matt were reacting
to something together,
456
00:23:05,426 --> 00:23:07,092
and I thought,
"oh, my goodness,
457
00:23:07,094 --> 00:23:08,360
she absolutely gets it.
458
00:23:08,362 --> 00:23:10,729
She gets what kind of
storytelling this is."
459
00:23:10,731 --> 00:23:12,931
And she's got a wonderful face
and wonderful eyes,
460
00:23:12,933 --> 00:23:13,933
she was so funny,
461
00:23:13,934 --> 00:23:15,034
she was fast.
462
00:23:15,036 --> 00:23:16,602
She was just perfect.
463
00:23:16,604 --> 00:23:19,371
But, you know,
there was no expertise
464
00:23:19,373 --> 00:23:21,607
on my part
involved in that.
465
00:23:21,609 --> 00:23:23,709
Maybe some expertise
on the part of Andy Pryor,
466
00:23:23,711 --> 00:23:25,577
the casting director,
but not on my part.
467
00:23:25,579 --> 00:23:27,946
Anyone could have spotted
that that was the right girl,
468
00:23:27,948 --> 00:23:30,115
'cause she was brilliant,
and brilliance is very,
469
00:23:30,117 --> 00:23:31,750
very easy to detect.
470
00:23:38,039 --> 00:23:39,311
I'm meeting
Doctor Who's
471
00:23:39,312 --> 00:23:41,590
casting director,
Andy Pryor.
472
00:23:42,993 --> 00:23:44,187
So with regards to
473
00:23:44,188 --> 00:23:46,288
the companion,
presumably they give you
474
00:23:46,290 --> 00:23:48,757
a certain amount of
parameters to make your job
475
00:23:48,759 --> 00:23:50,659
a little bit easier,
so you can go
476
00:23:50,661 --> 00:23:53,261
and look for the characteristics
that they require.
477
00:23:53,263 --> 00:23:55,430
Well, as with all casting,
really,
478
00:23:55,432 --> 00:23:57,099
it is driven by the writing.
479
00:23:57,101 --> 00:23:59,334
You know, the key
and crucial thing
480
00:23:59,336 --> 00:24:01,436
is the writing
and the interpreting that
481
00:24:01,438 --> 00:24:03,371
in the casting
the best way you can.
482
00:24:03,373 --> 00:24:05,107
Quite often
with the companion,
483
00:24:05,109 --> 00:24:07,709
the showrunner will have
had an idea about
484
00:24:07,711 --> 00:24:10,312
what kind of character
he wants them to be.
485
00:24:10,314 --> 00:24:12,881
But really, until you get
the scenes on the page,
486
00:24:12,883 --> 00:24:15,150
the dialogue on the page,
and you can hear
487
00:24:15,152 --> 00:24:18,286
the characters speaking,
then it's quite difficult
488
00:24:18,288 --> 00:24:20,122
to make a full
judgement on it.
489
00:24:20,124 --> 00:24:23,391
Now, presumably there
was some kind of balance
490
00:24:23,393 --> 00:24:26,528
that you looked for
when the Doctor was Matt
491
00:24:26,530 --> 00:24:29,664
and the companion was Jenna
and now you have
492
00:24:29,666 --> 00:24:31,099
a different Doctor.
493
00:24:31,101 --> 00:24:34,636
I suppose what I'm saying is
that you need an actor
494
00:24:34,638 --> 00:24:37,973
who can sort of play the part
across the board,
495
00:24:37,975 --> 00:24:39,541
you know,
very adaptable.
496
00:24:39,543 --> 00:24:42,010
Yes, I mean, one of
the difficulties is that,
497
00:24:42,012 --> 00:24:44,112
you know, you can't
predict chemistry
498
00:24:44,114 --> 00:24:46,081
until you put
two actors together,
499
00:24:46,083 --> 00:24:48,683
and then when you change Doctor,
you don't quite know
500
00:24:48,685 --> 00:24:50,919
what's going to happen,
I think the companion
501
00:24:50,921 --> 00:24:53,955
has the great benefit of already
having been established
502
00:24:53,957 --> 00:24:59,227
in that case, and Jenna had
established Clara brilliantly
503
00:24:59,229 --> 00:25:01,496
by the time we'd cast Peter,
504
00:25:01,498 --> 00:25:04,733
and I think that's probably
helpful for another actor,
505
00:25:04,735 --> 00:25:06,768
in this case Peter,
coming in,
506
00:25:06,770 --> 00:25:09,938
to have somebody there
who sort of knows the ropes,
507
00:25:09,940 --> 00:25:13,842
so it ends up becoming quite
a sort of mutual support thing
508
00:25:13,844 --> 00:25:15,043
between the two actors.
509
00:25:15,045 --> 00:25:16,745
So, meeting Andy
has been very useful.
510
00:25:16,747 --> 00:25:19,514
It's clear that
our ultimate companion
511
00:25:19,516 --> 00:25:23,485
has to be a good actor but also
have a strong personality.
512
00:25:23,487 --> 00:25:26,922
You see, the companion
is how we view the TARDIS.
513
00:25:26,924 --> 00:25:30,859
It's who we share all our
time-traveling experiences with.
514
00:25:30,861 --> 00:25:33,228
We really do
have to like them.
515
00:25:33,230 --> 00:25:36,631
Really has to be
the right person for the job.
516
00:25:43,806 --> 00:25:46,308
Since the return
of the show in 2004,
517
00:25:46,310 --> 00:25:49,244
each companion has had
their own theme music,
518
00:25:49,246 --> 00:25:51,846
from Rose to Martha,
from Donna to Amy,
519
00:25:51,848 --> 00:25:53,548
and now, of course, Clara.
520
00:25:53,550 --> 00:25:57,152
Each has had a piece
of music dedicated to them.
521
00:25:57,154 --> 00:26:00,255
I want to find out why.
522
00:26:01,701 --> 00:26:03,534
So I've come to
a recording studio
523
00:26:03,535 --> 00:26:06,722
in London to speak to the man
who penned all of those themes,
524
00:26:06,723 --> 00:26:09,623
Doctor Who's composer,
Murray Gold.
525
00:26:10,609 --> 00:26:13,944
So, Murray, thanks very much
for helping us out with this.
526
00:26:13,946 --> 00:26:15,913
Tell us about
Clara's theme.
527
00:26:15,915 --> 00:26:18,215
Well, that's a good
case in point,
528
00:26:18,217 --> 00:26:21,819
because Clara came in at a time
when the stories had become
529
00:26:21,821 --> 00:26:24,288
very melodramatic,
and you could see
530
00:26:24,290 --> 00:26:28,559
that she was sort of
off-the-cuff and flighty
531
00:26:28,561 --> 00:26:33,497
and smart and didn't have
a lot of baggage, you know.
532
00:26:33,499 --> 00:26:35,899
She had a freshness
about her.
533
00:26:35,901 --> 00:26:38,802
And so I wanted to carry
that through in the music.
534
00:26:43,608 --> 00:26:44,808
Hello?
535
00:26:44,810 --> 00:26:46,410
Hello!
536
00:27:53,712 --> 00:27:57,847
So, Murray, with my design for
the ultimate Doctor's companion,
537
00:27:57,849 --> 00:28:00,583
what would you --
what themes would you
538
00:28:00,585 --> 00:28:04,688
be reflecting in the music
for the ultimate companion?
539
00:28:04,690 --> 00:28:06,156
Ultimate companion?
540
00:28:06,158 --> 00:28:09,426
She's just curious
and tells the Doctor the truth
541
00:28:09,428 --> 00:28:13,163
and also hides the truth,
and there's a bunch of opposites
542
00:28:13,165 --> 00:28:15,031
all contained in one person,
543
00:28:15,033 --> 00:28:18,768
and I don't know,
it's a difficult task,
544
00:28:18,770 --> 00:28:20,470
that, ultimate --
545
00:28:20,472 --> 00:28:24,274
Okay, I'll let you know.
Okay. Please do.
546
00:28:25,354 --> 00:28:27,456
One of the main responsibilities
about playing
547
00:28:27,457 --> 00:28:29,991
the Doctor's companion
is what it means to the fans.
548
00:28:29,993 --> 00:28:32,794
How will you be received,
how will it change your life?
549
00:28:32,796 --> 00:28:35,029
Well, to find out,
I'm off to Houston, Texas,
550
00:28:35,031 --> 00:28:37,632
and the good old U.S. of "A"
to talk to John Barrowman,
551
00:28:37,634 --> 00:28:39,200
who played
Captain Jack Harkness,
552
00:28:39,202 --> 00:28:40,368
see what he thinks.
553
00:28:40,370 --> 00:28:43,771
Only problem is,
what did I do with the TARDIS?
554
00:28:43,773 --> 00:28:46,240
Ah!
555
00:28:48,178 --> 00:28:53,214
Ah. Seems like I still have
the hang of flying this thing.
556
00:28:53,216 --> 00:28:55,249
Yes, this definitely
looks like Texas.
557
00:28:55,251 --> 00:28:57,318
Now all I have to do
is track down John
558
00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:00,755
among all these fans.
559
00:29:00,757 --> 00:29:02,557
There's quite a lot of them.
560
00:29:14,562 --> 00:29:17,787
Captain Jack Harkness,
played by actor John Barrowman,
561
00:29:17,788 --> 00:29:19,822
proved to be
one of Doctor Who's
562
00:29:19,824 --> 00:29:22,157
most popular characters,
and for John,
563
00:29:22,159 --> 00:29:24,960
playing the part of
the Doctor's companion
564
00:29:24,962 --> 00:29:26,795
literally changed his life.
565
00:29:26,797 --> 00:29:28,130
I think he
came with us.
566
00:29:28,132 --> 00:29:29,531
How do you mean,
from earth?
567
00:29:29,533 --> 00:29:32,267
Must have been clinging to
the outside of the TARDIS.
568
00:29:32,269 --> 00:29:33,836
All the way
through the vortex?
569
00:29:33,838 --> 00:29:35,004
Wow, that's very him.
570
00:29:35,006 --> 00:29:36,105
What, do you know him?
571
00:29:36,107 --> 00:29:37,940
Friend of mine.
572
00:29:37,942 --> 00:29:39,942
Used to travel with me
back in the old days.
573
00:29:39,944 --> 00:29:42,344
But he's...
574
00:29:42,346 --> 00:29:43,846
I'm sorry,
there's no heartbeat.
575
00:29:43,848 --> 00:29:45,214
There's nothing.
576
00:29:45,216 --> 00:29:46,448
He's dead.
577
00:29:46,450 --> 00:29:48,517
Aaah!
578
00:29:48,519 --> 00:29:50,185
Oh, so much for me!
579
00:29:50,187 --> 00:29:52,254
It's all right, breathe deep,
I've got you.
580
00:29:52,256 --> 00:29:55,024
Captain Jack Harkness.
581
00:29:55,026 --> 00:29:56,692
And who are you?
582
00:29:56,694 --> 00:29:57,694
Martha Jones.
583
00:29:57,695 --> 00:29:59,395
Nice to meet you,
Martha Jones.
584
00:29:59,397 --> 00:30:01,330
Oh, don't start!
585
00:30:01,332 --> 00:30:02,564
I was only
saying hello.
586
00:30:02,566 --> 00:30:03,566
I don't mind.
587
00:30:05,969 --> 00:30:07,202
Got it?
Yeah.
588
00:30:07,204 --> 00:30:09,972
Thank you, awesome.
Thank you very much.
589
00:30:09,974 --> 00:30:13,008
John is appearing
at a science fiction convention
590
00:30:13,010 --> 00:30:15,344
where fans are
gathering to meet
591
00:30:15,346 --> 00:30:17,179
their favorite superheroes
and companions.
592
00:30:17,181 --> 00:30:18,714
Now I've found him,
593
00:30:18,716 --> 00:30:21,383
I just need to
get his attention.
594
00:30:21,385 --> 00:30:24,053
John! Any chance
you could make this --
595
00:30:24,055 --> 00:30:26,288
just hold on a minute,
okay?
596
00:30:26,290 --> 00:30:28,057
Just about five minutes.
597
00:30:28,059 --> 00:30:29,491
Five minutes? Okay.
598
00:30:31,695 --> 00:30:34,797
There you go,
is that okay?
599
00:30:34,799 --> 00:30:37,533
John, it's been 20 minutes.
600
00:30:37,535 --> 00:30:40,369
It's probably
going to be an hour,
601
00:30:40,371 --> 00:30:41,970
so just hang tight.
602
00:30:41,972 --> 00:30:45,507
To hell with this.
603
00:30:45,509 --> 00:30:47,209
I'm telling you,
604
00:30:47,211 --> 00:30:48,644
they learn to
fly a TARDIS,
605
00:30:48,646 --> 00:30:50,612
they think they can
rule the world!
606
00:30:52,783 --> 00:30:55,217
So, John, obviously
there's an enormous number
607
00:30:55,219 --> 00:30:57,853
of fans here today,
and an enormous number of them
608
00:30:57,855 --> 00:30:59,054
are waiting to see you
609
00:30:59,056 --> 00:31:00,456
as Captain Jack.
610
00:31:00,458 --> 00:31:05,027
Now, if we were searching,
say, for the ultimate companion,
611
00:31:05,029 --> 00:31:08,097
how important is it to find
someone who is prepared
612
00:31:08,099 --> 00:31:11,633
to be a companion for
the rest of their lives?
613
00:31:11,635 --> 00:31:15,137
It's really important,
because the identity that
614
00:31:15,139 --> 00:31:17,573
the fans have
through the companion
615
00:31:17,575 --> 00:31:19,174
is their connection
to the Doctor,
616
00:31:19,176 --> 00:31:21,276
and the fans, I think,
then relate to something
617
00:31:21,278 --> 00:31:25,314
that is within
the companion themselves,
618
00:31:25,316 --> 00:31:29,485
so if the companion,
whether it is someone
619
00:31:29,487 --> 00:31:31,353
like Sarah Jane
or it's a Captain Jack
620
00:31:31,355 --> 00:31:34,056
or a Rose Tyler
or a Martha Jones,
621
00:31:34,058 --> 00:31:36,558
all of those --
622
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:38,861
all of those characters
then connect with
623
00:31:38,863 --> 00:31:41,563
somebody in the audience,
but you have to realize
624
00:31:41,565 --> 00:31:43,866
once you are in this --
I call it
625
00:31:43,868 --> 00:31:44,967
the Who family,
626
00:31:44,969 --> 00:31:46,568
you're there for
the rest of your life.
627
00:31:46,570 --> 00:31:47,769
It is the longest job.
628
00:31:47,771 --> 00:31:49,938
It is the longest job
in show business.
629
00:31:49,940 --> 00:31:52,908
You never leave.
But it's the most gratifying,
630
00:31:53,171 --> 00:31:56,640
because once you're in there
and the kind of adulation
631
00:31:56,642 --> 00:31:59,709
that you get from the fans,
because, you know,
632
00:31:59,711 --> 00:32:01,912
I see young --
I have a little,
633
00:32:01,914 --> 00:32:05,215
like, seven year old boy
dressed up as Captain Jack
634
00:32:05,217 --> 00:32:08,151
and his best friend
dressed up as, you know,
635
00:32:08,153 --> 00:32:11,855
David as the Doctor,
and for me, that's like,
636
00:32:11,857 --> 00:32:13,456
they're just seeing it
for the first time,
637
00:32:13,458 --> 00:32:15,025
so it's generations,
generations that are
638
00:32:15,027 --> 00:32:17,260
going to continue to watch it,
so if you are a companion,
639
00:32:17,262 --> 00:32:18,828
you must take this onboard
that you're
640
00:32:18,830 --> 00:32:20,630
going to be there
for the rest of your life.
641
00:32:20,632 --> 00:32:24,034
The way it was played
and the way it was written
642
00:32:24,036 --> 00:32:27,570
in the script,
I guess the way you played it,
643
00:32:27,572 --> 00:32:31,207
was completely open,
you know, heart on sleeve,
644
00:32:31,209 --> 00:32:33,543
and that's really
the one essential quality
645
00:32:33,545 --> 00:32:36,012
I think a companion has to have
if the audience
646
00:32:36,014 --> 00:32:37,180
is to relate to them.
647
00:32:37,182 --> 00:32:39,149
Well, yeah,
because they have to --
648
00:32:39,151 --> 00:32:41,985
like I said, they're
the connection to the Doctor,
649
00:32:41,987 --> 00:32:43,753
but for a companion,
650
00:32:43,755 --> 00:32:45,555
if you're going to be
a good one,
651
00:32:45,557 --> 00:32:48,425
you've got to allow the Doctor
to shine and be the Doctor,
652
00:32:48,427 --> 00:32:50,293
but you've also
got to make your mark.
653
00:32:50,295 --> 00:32:52,329
So if you had to distill
just one of
654
00:32:52,331 --> 00:32:54,030
the qualities of
a companion
655
00:32:54,032 --> 00:32:56,733
that you enjoy playing the most,
what would it be?
656
00:32:56,735 --> 00:32:59,402
This is going to --
it might be a weird answer.
657
00:32:59,404 --> 00:33:01,871
Yes, it was being the hero.
It was being...
658
00:33:01,873 --> 00:33:05,809
The -- you know,
the flirtatious, fun one,
659
00:33:05,811 --> 00:33:07,811
but it was also being
660
00:33:07,813 --> 00:33:10,380
the companion.
661
00:33:10,382 --> 00:33:14,250
And that may be not
a description of what you --
662
00:33:14,252 --> 00:33:17,620
how you can play it,
but part of the joy
663
00:33:17,622 --> 00:33:19,789
was being part of his team,
664
00:33:19,791 --> 00:33:21,958
and that to me --
665
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,160
so if that answers
the question,
666
00:33:24,162 --> 00:33:25,462
that's what it was.
667
00:33:25,464 --> 00:33:28,631
Excellent. Finally,
I don't suppose it's possible,
668
00:33:28,633 --> 00:33:30,767
is it,
to get you to sign this?
669
00:33:30,769 --> 00:33:33,136
Well, I did make you
wait for an hour.
670
00:33:33,138 --> 00:33:36,673
I did, and --
I don't have a pen on me.
671
00:33:36,675 --> 00:33:39,676
Anybody have a pen?
672
00:33:39,678 --> 00:33:41,578
I've got a fan here.
673
00:33:41,580 --> 00:33:44,948
Don't worry, I'll...
I'll come back tomorrow.
674
00:33:44,950 --> 00:33:47,150
All right.
Thanks, Peter.
675
00:33:47,152 --> 00:33:48,418
God love you.
676
00:33:51,822 --> 00:33:55,091
It's always interesting when
the doctors like Captain Jack.
677
00:33:55,093 --> 00:33:58,728
So, it's back into
the TARDIS and back to the U.K.,
678
00:33:58,730 --> 00:34:01,498
where I've got one
last stop on my journey.
679
00:34:02,345 --> 00:34:03,345
Let's see if I can
680
00:34:03,346 --> 00:34:04,842
find the man behind
the current series
681
00:34:04,843 --> 00:34:06,609
of Doctor Who,
Steven Moffat,
682
00:34:06,611 --> 00:34:09,379
to see what he thinks
makes the ultimate companion.
683
00:34:11,463 --> 00:34:12,748
Now, when you were young
684
00:34:12,749 --> 00:34:14,582
and you used to
watch the program,
685
00:34:14,584 --> 00:34:16,461
did you want to be the Doctor
686
00:34:16,462 --> 00:34:18,295
or did you
want to be a companion?
687
00:34:18,297 --> 00:34:21,165
I can only ever remember myself
wanting to be a companion.
688
00:34:21,167 --> 00:34:23,167
Oh, you always
want to be a companion,
689
00:34:23,169 --> 00:34:24,935
because the Doctor
is unknowable,
690
00:34:24,937 --> 00:34:26,970
and you want that TARDIS
to materialize
691
00:34:26,972 --> 00:34:29,406
at the end of your road
and you to be invited in
692
00:34:29,408 --> 00:34:31,875
and go on an adventure
and let the Doctor take on
693
00:34:31,877 --> 00:34:34,478
the heavy work and explain stuff
while you get to be
694
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,180
sort of excited
and interested.
695
00:34:36,182 --> 00:34:38,415
It never happened.
696
00:34:38,417 --> 00:34:40,517
But I think the show is
the closest I've got.
697
00:34:40,519 --> 00:34:42,124
But would you have accepted
that invitation?
698
00:34:42,125 --> 00:34:44,025
This is why --
I don't think I'd ever be
699
00:34:44,027 --> 00:34:45,192
brave enough to accept it.
700
00:34:45,194 --> 00:34:47,461
We asked people,
and this is what we came up with
701
00:34:47,463 --> 00:34:49,797
in terms of a list of
the qualities, the attributes,
702
00:34:49,799 --> 00:34:51,699
that maybe the ultimate
companion needs.
703
00:34:51,701 --> 00:34:53,968
A sense of adventure,
obviously, I guess,
704
00:34:53,970 --> 00:34:56,003
adaptable,
suddenly you're on Earth,
705
00:34:56,005 --> 00:34:58,339
next minute you're in
some other universe.
706
00:34:58,341 --> 00:34:59,974
Got to appeal to the fans.
707
00:34:59,976 --> 00:35:01,809
Right, yes, yes.
708
00:35:01,811 --> 00:35:04,245
And be unique.
709
00:35:04,247 --> 00:35:07,014
Unique but identical
in all the other respects.
710
00:35:07,016 --> 00:35:09,350
You see, the thing
that I thought was,
711
00:35:09,352 --> 00:35:12,319
the companion, the same time
as maybe being unique,
712
00:35:12,321 --> 00:35:14,388
they are everyman
and everywoman.
713
00:35:14,390 --> 00:35:16,857
I mean, they ask
the Doctor the questions
714
00:35:16,859 --> 00:35:19,627
that we sitting at home
watching the program --
715
00:35:19,629 --> 00:35:21,262
would want to ask,
yeah.
716
00:35:21,264 --> 00:35:23,898
They are. I mean,
I think sometimes it's reductive
717
00:35:23,900 --> 00:35:27,101
to say that they're just there
to give the viewers' viewpoint.
718
00:35:27,103 --> 00:35:29,703
They're also in a way
kind of the main character.
719
00:35:29,705 --> 00:35:32,811
They -- sorry.
It's their journey
720
00:35:32,812 --> 00:35:37,047
that you're following,
you know, how they're changed
721
00:35:37,048 --> 00:35:38,217
by the experience
of the Doctor.
722
00:35:38,218 --> 00:35:41,720
The Doctor, you know,
for all the changes he's faced,
723
00:35:41,722 --> 00:35:43,365
he's sort of the same
as he ever was,
724
00:35:43,366 --> 00:35:44,966
but the companion
goes on a different journey
725
00:35:44,968 --> 00:35:46,801
from being just
an ordinary person
726
00:35:46,803 --> 00:35:49,637
sometimes to being a superhero,
so it's often their story.
727
00:35:49,639 --> 00:35:53,007
So now we have, of course,
a new Doctor coming up,
728
00:35:53,009 --> 00:35:54,909
and a companion who has been
729
00:35:54,911 --> 00:35:57,712
passed from Matt Smith
to Peter Capaldi.
730
00:35:57,714 --> 00:36:00,648
How is this going to
affect her character?
731
00:36:00,650 --> 00:36:02,617
I think it's rather exciting,
actually.
732
00:36:02,619 --> 00:36:04,052
He's very,
very different.
733
00:36:04,054 --> 00:36:06,621
We just got to the point
with Matt's Doctor and Jenna
734
00:36:06,623 --> 00:36:09,190
that they feel really
comfortable, it's a proper unit,
735
00:36:09,192 --> 00:36:11,826
and you sort of feel she's
completely in control of it,
736
00:36:11,828 --> 00:36:13,161
which is what Clara likes.
737
00:36:13,163 --> 00:36:15,830
She likes to be completely
in control of her puppy Doctor
738
00:36:15,832 --> 00:36:17,599
and she can go off
every Wednesday,
739
00:36:17,601 --> 00:36:20,301
have an adventure with him,
put him back in the blue box,
740
00:36:20,303 --> 00:36:21,636
go back to work.
741
00:36:21,638 --> 00:36:23,839
She likes that, it's cool,
and she tells him what to do.
742
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,608
Along comes the Capaldi Doctor,
and suddenly he's sort of
743
00:36:26,610 --> 00:36:28,910
rebooted to a very
difficult to control,
744
00:36:28,912 --> 00:36:30,378
slightly unreasonable man,
745
00:36:30,380 --> 00:36:33,681
and she starts to have to be
the human interface
746
00:36:33,683 --> 00:36:35,817
between the old Scottish monster
747
00:36:35,819 --> 00:36:38,086
and the humanity
he's trying to save.
748
00:36:38,088 --> 00:36:39,721
So a nice challenge for her.
749
00:36:39,723 --> 00:36:41,389
It's been brilliant, yeah.
She's so funny in this.
750
00:36:41,391 --> 00:36:43,124
I'm looking forward to it.
751
00:36:43,126 --> 00:36:44,659
Would you like to
meet her?
752
00:36:44,661 --> 00:36:46,361
I wouldn't mind.
753
00:36:46,363 --> 00:36:49,430
I'll have a word.
754
00:36:52,372 --> 00:36:54,474
So,
with Steven's encouragement,
755
00:36:54,475 --> 00:36:56,809
I'm about to find out
from Jenna Coleman
756
00:36:56,811 --> 00:36:59,345
what's in store for Clara
in the next series
757
00:36:59,347 --> 00:37:01,347
as a new Doctor
enters our lives.
758
00:37:01,349 --> 00:37:05,184
I've been sent on this mission
to try and discover
759
00:37:05,186 --> 00:37:06,752
what it takes to be
760
00:37:06,754 --> 00:37:10,856
an ultimate companion,
and so before we go on to
761
00:37:10,858 --> 00:37:13,325
actually how you've made Clara
a very special companion,
762
00:37:13,327 --> 00:37:14,860
what do you think
the essential
763
00:37:14,862 --> 00:37:17,296
qualities are for
a Doctor Who companion?
764
00:37:17,298 --> 00:37:20,733
I think ultimately,
and kind of going back
765
00:37:20,735 --> 00:37:23,802
to all the companions
that I've seen,
766
00:37:23,804 --> 00:37:27,439
is I think one word that
I'd use is "spirit,"
767
00:37:27,441 --> 00:37:30,209
and, yeah,
an adventurous streak,
768
00:37:30,211 --> 00:37:32,311
always to have that kind of
769
00:37:32,313 --> 00:37:35,180
bold, human spirit throughout
all of the adventures,
770
00:37:35,182 --> 00:37:37,416
and I think that's
the thing in common.
771
00:37:37,418 --> 00:37:39,218
And would you say
that's what
772
00:37:39,220 --> 00:37:40,552
you've latched onto most?
773
00:37:40,554 --> 00:37:43,222
'Cause you seem to have
a tremendous amount of fun.
774
00:37:43,224 --> 00:37:45,724
Obviously I'm talking now
about the last season,
775
00:37:45,726 --> 00:37:48,227
but you seem to have
a tremendous amount of fun
776
00:37:48,229 --> 00:37:50,429
in your sort of repartee
with the Doctor.
777
00:37:50,431 --> 00:37:52,064
Yeah, it is, isn't it?
778
00:37:52,066 --> 00:37:56,101
I mean, even me as Jenna
just coming in to work every day
779
00:37:56,103 --> 00:37:58,904
and getting to go
to all those places
780
00:37:58,906 --> 00:38:02,675
and travel it in that way
and kind of just adventure,
781
00:38:02,677 --> 00:38:05,844
just to have adventure
and just live a life
782
00:38:05,846 --> 00:38:09,214
traveling with Doctor Who
as your best friend.
783
00:38:09,216 --> 00:38:12,217
Did you really know what
you were getting yourself into
784
00:38:12,219 --> 00:38:13,752
when you became a companion?
785
00:38:13,754 --> 00:38:15,754
Had you watched
the series before?
786
00:38:15,756 --> 00:38:17,156
No, I hadn't.
Really?
787
00:38:17,158 --> 00:38:19,358
It was off-- I was --
I think I was 18,
788
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:21,293
19 when the series
came back on,
789
00:38:21,295 --> 00:38:23,529
so it was never in
my childhood at all,
790
00:38:23,531 --> 00:38:26,865
but it's always something
that's kind of in your psyche,
791
00:38:26,867 --> 00:38:29,368
you're always aware of it,
you see it --
792
00:38:29,370 --> 00:38:32,237
it's all over, it's --
I think it's such a part
793
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:33,472
of British culture.
794
00:38:33,474 --> 00:38:35,498
Was there a sort of
BBC handbook
795
00:38:35,499 --> 00:38:37,298
for companions they gave you
that you could go,
796
00:38:37,300 --> 00:38:38,733
"I see, that's how
I'm meant to be"?
797
00:38:38,735 --> 00:38:40,969
No. I do remember
actually going for --
798
00:38:40,971 --> 00:38:42,904
I remember going into
the BBC for
799
00:38:42,906 --> 00:38:45,540
my first audition with Matt,
and I just remember
800
00:38:45,542 --> 00:38:48,143
being sat in a canteen
and I was eating a salad
801
00:38:48,145 --> 00:38:50,745
and I just looked up
and there's literally like
802
00:38:50,747 --> 00:38:52,414
a cardboard cutout of Matt
803
00:38:52,416 --> 00:38:54,949
just like stood
like right next to me,
804
00:38:54,951 --> 00:38:57,585
so, you know,
you've kind of got an awareness
805
00:38:57,587 --> 00:39:01,810
of, okay, this show
is quite unique.
806
00:39:01,811 --> 00:39:03,277
Yes, no, absolutely.
807
00:39:03,279 --> 00:39:05,913
And one of the things
that's come up
808
00:39:05,915 --> 00:39:08,750
when we've been talking
to people about
809
00:39:08,752 --> 00:39:11,552
the ultimate companion
is adaptability.
810
00:39:11,554 --> 00:39:14,622
Now, they gave you
possibly the hardest job
811
00:39:14,624 --> 00:39:17,625
that they've given
any companion, I think,
812
00:39:17,627 --> 00:39:20,077
because there you were,
going along very, very nicely,
813
00:39:20,078 --> 00:39:23,146
with the eleventh Doctor,
and then they swapped
814
00:39:23,148 --> 00:39:24,396
doctors on you,
and not only that,
815
00:39:24,397 --> 00:39:27,416
they swapped from
the youngest Doctor
816
00:39:27,417 --> 00:39:32,553
there has ever been to I believe
shall we say most mature Doctor.
817
00:39:32,555 --> 00:39:38,116
How has that affected
the way that you play Clara?
818
00:39:38,117 --> 00:39:40,384
I think what has kind of
happened is
819
00:39:40,386 --> 00:39:43,321
everything feels like
it's kind of been inverted,
820
00:39:43,323 --> 00:39:47,774
and I think with what's --
with going from Matt's Doctor,
821
00:39:47,775 --> 00:39:52,720
to this young,
vibrant guy who has kind of
822
00:39:52,721 --> 00:39:55,640
got this old spirit,
it feels kind of inverted now,
823
00:39:55,641 --> 00:39:57,755
so we have Peter's Doctor,
but he's got this
824
00:39:57,756 --> 00:40:01,023
kind of young, boyish spirit,
and in a way,
825
00:40:01,025 --> 00:40:04,927
the relationship has totally --
it's just been totally inverted,
826
00:40:04,929 --> 00:40:07,230
the dynamics have
shifted so much.
827
00:40:07,232 --> 00:40:09,232
That must be interesting
as an actress
828
00:40:09,234 --> 00:40:10,900
to play that as well,
isn't it?
829
00:40:10,902 --> 00:40:13,069
Yeah, and to go along
with that kind of --
830
00:40:13,071 --> 00:40:15,571
of what it does to her,
and I think in a way,
831
00:40:15,573 --> 00:40:18,107
it kind of -- it ruffles her --
the new Doctor
832
00:40:18,109 --> 00:40:21,244
ruffles her feathers in a way
that the other Doctor didn't,
833
00:40:21,246 --> 00:40:24,347
and I think she finds him
a lot harder to control, almost,
834
00:40:24,349 --> 00:40:27,350
and to kind of keep on a leash
because he's just this --
835
00:40:27,352 --> 00:40:30,219
You're the senior partner now,
of course, aren't you,
836
00:40:30,221 --> 00:40:32,655
so maybe you have to
sort of show him how --
837
00:40:32,657 --> 00:40:34,991
help him find his feet
in the TARDIS.
838
00:40:34,993 --> 00:40:37,994
I suppose so, but it's never
really felt like that at all.
839
00:40:37,996 --> 00:40:39,028
I mean,
840
00:40:39,030 --> 00:40:40,863
what advice can you give
to Peter Capaldi?
841
00:40:40,865 --> 00:40:42,465
He's just, you know,
he's a genius.
842
00:40:42,467 --> 00:40:44,300
I'm particularly
excited about it,
843
00:40:44,302 --> 00:40:46,769
because I grew up, you see,
with William Hartnell
844
00:40:46,771 --> 00:40:49,338
and Patrick Troughton,
so older doctors,
845
00:40:49,340 --> 00:40:51,641
and while I've immensely enjoyed
the younger doctors,
846
00:40:51,643 --> 00:40:53,643
and indeed I've always said
I started a trend
847
00:40:53,645 --> 00:40:55,378
for younger doctors,
but there you go,
848
00:40:55,380 --> 00:40:57,280
I'm quite --
I'm very excited that now
849
00:40:57,282 --> 00:41:00,516
we're having -- almost sort of
going back to basics.
850
00:41:00,518 --> 00:41:02,718
He is the Doctor,
he -- he has --
851
00:41:02,720 --> 00:41:05,755
even his physicality --
you'll see so many things,
852
00:41:05,757 --> 00:41:08,691
like one weird thing that
I noticed straight away
853
00:41:08,693 --> 00:41:11,160
was his hands, like,
he's just got this
854
00:41:11,162 --> 00:41:14,030
doctorish quality to
the way he walks and runs,
855
00:41:14,032 --> 00:41:15,064
and...
856
00:41:15,066 --> 00:41:17,467
He is the Doctor.
He is, he is, yeah.
857
00:41:17,469 --> 00:41:20,036
Thank you very much.
Thank you.
858
00:41:20,038 --> 00:41:23,239
There's just one person left
to ask about companions,
859
00:41:23,241 --> 00:41:26,108
the new twelfth Doctor himself,
Peter Capaldi.
860
00:41:26,110 --> 00:41:28,811
Now, I've been set
on this mission to see if
861
00:41:28,813 --> 00:41:31,547
I can come up with
a design for the ultimate
862
00:41:31,549 --> 00:41:34,450
Doctor Who companion,
and I just wondered if --
863
00:41:34,452 --> 00:41:37,286
how you felt that your
relationship with Clara
864
00:41:37,288 --> 00:41:40,490
has changed from Matt Smith's
relationship with Clara,
865
00:41:40,492 --> 00:41:42,758
has -- is it
essentially different?
866
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:45,628
I think it's changed, yeah,
very significantly,
867
00:41:45,630 --> 00:41:48,931
because clearly, you know,
although the Doctor
868
00:41:48,933 --> 00:41:51,801
is the same age,
he appears much older.
869
00:41:51,803 --> 00:41:55,605
So it just changed the dynamic
in a very interesting way.
870
00:41:55,607 --> 00:41:59,075
I think he's
crazy about her,
871
00:41:59,077 --> 00:42:03,346
but in a totally sort of
innocent way.
872
00:42:03,348 --> 00:42:05,748
What's come up in
my conversations with
873
00:42:05,750 --> 00:42:08,184
various people,
they've said, you know,
874
00:42:08,186 --> 00:42:11,120
companions, apart from
being certainly courageous,
875
00:42:11,122 --> 00:42:13,689
being strong-willed,
but they also have to
876
00:42:13,691 --> 00:42:15,892
adapt very well,
and it sounds like
877
00:42:15,894 --> 00:42:18,628
you are pushing the limits
of that, adapting,
878
00:42:18,630 --> 00:42:19,762
for a companion.
879
00:42:19,764 --> 00:42:22,398
Yeah, I think the show's
changed quite a lot,
880
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:25,034
and I think the stories
are largely told now
881
00:42:25,036 --> 00:42:27,203
through the eyes
of the companion,
882
00:42:27,205 --> 00:42:29,472
which wasn't always
the case before,
883
00:42:29,474 --> 00:42:32,074
but they also serve
the function in doing it.
884
00:42:32,076 --> 00:42:33,910
A key Doctor Who thing
which I've always
885
00:42:33,912 --> 00:42:35,244
loved about
Doctor Who was
886
00:42:35,246 --> 00:42:39,282
the ability to balance
the sort of banal and domestic
887
00:42:39,284 --> 00:42:48,457
with the epic and exotic
and spectacular space monster
888
00:42:48,459 --> 00:42:50,660
kind of orientated
kinds of worlds
889
00:42:50,662 --> 00:42:54,263
with the pedestrian precinct
with the overflowing litter bin,
890
00:42:54,265 --> 00:42:57,900
so with Clara,
she has a very --
891
00:42:57,902 --> 00:43:02,405
we see a lot of her life,
which, you know,
892
00:43:02,407 --> 00:43:05,708
she has -- she's a teacher,
I call her at school.
893
00:43:06,677 --> 00:43:09,111
And it's quite a -- you know,
it's quite a tough job.
894
00:43:09,113 --> 00:43:11,113
It's a good job
and she does it very well,
895
00:43:11,115 --> 00:43:13,983
but we saw her colleagues,
we see her students.
896
00:43:13,985 --> 00:43:15,384
You've been running.
897
00:43:15,386 --> 00:43:16,686
Are you okay?
898
00:43:16,688 --> 00:43:20,156
There was a call for you
at the office.
899
00:43:20,158 --> 00:43:21,924
From your Doctor.
900
00:43:21,926 --> 00:43:24,460
I think it's one of
the great achievements
901
00:43:24,462 --> 00:43:26,562
of the series
since it came back
902
00:43:26,564 --> 00:43:30,399
is the companion is
a much more exciting part
903
00:43:30,401 --> 00:43:33,369
for someone to play,
I think, and you complement
904
00:43:33,371 --> 00:43:36,372
and makes it, you know,
for a great relationship.
905
00:43:36,374 --> 00:43:38,107
I think it's very important.
906
00:43:38,109 --> 00:43:41,177
I think it's -- the Doctor
without a companion is --
907
00:43:41,179 --> 00:43:43,913
you know, you maybe
get away with one episode
908
00:43:43,915 --> 00:43:46,415
or something like that
just as a novelty,
909
00:43:46,417 --> 00:43:49,485
but he needs somebody
to ground him
910
00:43:49,487 --> 00:43:52,622
for the audience
to see the wonders,
911
00:43:52,624 --> 00:43:55,591
you know, through
the companion's eyes.
912
00:43:55,593 --> 00:43:58,394
And there is a little
bit of me that likes
913
00:43:58,396 --> 00:44:00,963
hearing Clara shout,
"Doctor, Doctor!"
914
00:44:00,965 --> 00:44:03,232
As we run down a corridor.
915
00:44:03,234 --> 00:44:06,202
But I love that about it.
916
00:44:06,204 --> 00:44:07,803
Well, thank you very much indeed
for your help.
917
00:44:07,805 --> 00:44:09,372
I'm going to add all
those things to my list.
918
00:44:09,374 --> 00:44:11,140
Thanks again.
It's been a great pleasure.
919
00:44:11,142 --> 00:44:13,275
It's been a great pleasure
to meet you, Doctor.
920
00:44:13,277 --> 00:44:15,177
Thank you, Doctor.
Good to meet you at last.
921
00:44:16,399 --> 00:44:18,433
Well, here I am at
the end of my journey,
922
00:44:18,435 --> 00:44:20,568
and I think it's safe to say
that I now know
923
00:44:20,570 --> 00:44:22,871
more about a companion's life
than I did before.
924
00:44:22,873 --> 00:44:24,572
Essentially,
they're adventurous,
925
00:44:24,574 --> 00:44:26,775
heroic individuals
who adapt to their doctors
926
00:44:26,777 --> 00:44:28,476
and manage to
keep them in check.
927
00:44:28,478 --> 00:44:31,346
More importantly,
they're our way into the TARDIS,
928
00:44:31,348 --> 00:44:33,615
our way of traveling
with the Doctor.
929
00:44:33,617 --> 00:44:35,951
Their journeys are
constantly changing,
930
00:44:35,953 --> 00:44:38,620
and as the twelfth Doctor
enters Clara's life,
931
00:44:38,622 --> 00:44:40,889
her journey is about
to change again,
932
00:44:40,891 --> 00:44:43,124
and our journey
with the both of them
933
00:44:43,126 --> 00:44:44,492
is just about to begin.
934
00:44:44,494 --> 00:44:46,594
Is there an ultimate companion?
935
00:44:46,596 --> 00:44:49,898
Well, I don't know,
but one thing is certain --
936
00:44:49,900 --> 00:44:52,901
being a companion
is the ultimate position
937
00:44:52,903 --> 00:44:53,622
onboard the TARDIS.
72672
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