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We're on the set of Lisa
Ann's "Big Titted Cougars."
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Whew. Shocker that I would
be in a cougar movie.
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What's the difference
with a cougar and a MILF?
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My take is,
a cougar and a MILF:
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MILF is supposed to be
a "mom that I'd like to fuck."
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So I think that would
make you a mom, right?
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I think a cougar is
the same older seductress,
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but with no kids.
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So I'm glad to say
I'm a cougar,
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or I'm a MILF with no kids,
whatever you prefer.
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I feel like if
you can't succeed in porn,
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you kind of can't
succeed anywhere.
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'Cause it's really
not that difficult.
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It's a skill we all have.
You're fucking for a living.
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People are like,
"How are you the best?"
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Like, um, "I showed up
on time every time."
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It's pretty hard
to fail out of porn,
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but it seems like
everybody does it.
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My last goal
in my retirement letter
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was to write this book,
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and it'll be
one year on Tuesday.
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So I did reach
all of my goals.
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This is it.
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This is so exciting.
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Whoa. Okay.
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I don't want to hurt anything.
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I'm gonna open it
very carefully.
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Now, everyone, this is
so fucking dope.
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Oh, look.
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Oh!
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My first two years
I was under contract
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with a company called
Metro Home Video.
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And being under contract
was an ideal situation for me
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because I wanted
to feature dance.
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Back then, when you were
the contract star,
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they made these glamorous
posters and fliers for you,
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and they gave you
as many as you wanted
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to go out on the road
and use as marketing materials.
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You know, in the '90's
when I started shooting,
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I was unaware that all of the
movies a contract girl shoots
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are sold to cable,
and cable was still
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a very big place where
these companies made money.
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Cable didn't buy interracial.
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So I was unable to do interracial
when I was under contract.
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People were telling me
all day long, like,
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"if you do interracial,
it's going to ruin your career.
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"No one's going to hire you
as a feature dancer.
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You're going
to make less money."
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I don't really think we should
be choosing color of skin
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because we should be showing everyone the
sexual experiences that we are having,
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and, of course, if there's
couples that are interracial,
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they might want
to watch interracial porn.
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And for you to not put that out for
them, and they're a fan of yours,
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now they have
an opinion to form.
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It's a mainly-- It's, of course,
a mainly white business,
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all the company owners
and the agents,
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and they all are
secretly racist.
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So they all tell these girls
not to do this.
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And then I'm the one
telling these girls,
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"I've done more interracial than
regular scenes, and I'm good."
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But it's a fear factor
for a young girl,
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and of course, when you look up to your
agent, he's been teaching you things,
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you're gonna
believe what he says.
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Then when they finally do
do interracial,
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when they're not getting enough
work doing other things,
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they get paid more money for it.
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Going to the post office myself.
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'Cause I want you all
to get your books.
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And I want you to enjoy them.
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And I want to hear
book reports, essays.
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So, if you want to put
the boxes just down,
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and I'll put 'em in.
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I'll just have you photograph
me putting 'em in here.
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Oh, shit. I just took a photo.
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Of nothing.
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All right.
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How many do you think
I can put in at a time?
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More than that.
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Don't jam it up.
Don't jam it up.
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These boxes took some getting used
to making, you know what I mean?
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Like, the first ten, there's
so much tape on them.
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Then I got a system going,
you know.
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What does that mean?
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Is it stuck?
Is it full?
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What do we do now?
ls there another one?
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Yeah, the "Paylin" movie pretty much
single-handedly changed my entire life.
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Sol have fans coming in
not because they're porn fans,
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just 'cause they
thought that was hysterical.
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I have people that, like,
walk up to me now places,
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and they're like, "Right on,"
you know, "That was funny."
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So it's just--
It broke a barrier for me.
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Did you expect it
when you first shot it?
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Did you think
it was gonna go...
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That big? No.
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2008 I was on set
shooting a movie,
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and during my downtime
I was checking my messages,
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and it was Drew from Hustler,
and Drew said, "Hey,
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"we want to shoot a movie
about Sarah Palin,
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and we want to call it
"Nailin' Paylin."
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"Who's Nailin' Paylin?" which
I thought was a great name.
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We want to use you,
you're perfect for it.
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This is gonna kind of
be a big deal.
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Privyet.
We hate to trouble you,
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but I'm afraid
we have a flat tire.
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We were wondering if we could use
your phone to call the Kremlin.
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Oh, I'm sorry, fellas,
I don't speak Russian.
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Kremlin. It means...
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- How you say?
- Tow truck.
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Well, in the spirit
of foreign relations,
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I'm sure there's no harm in me
letting the two of you in.
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Come on in.
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You know, the business
lashed out at me.
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Girls thought
I stole that scene
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because someone else got
the phone call at my agency,
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but I insisted I did it.
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It was really weird
how when you get popular,
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people who were
nice to you last week
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just, like, venomously hate you
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and are talking about you
behind your back.
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And at that point I realized,
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"Okay, well,
I'm gonna have this,
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"this is gonna keep me
incredibly busy.
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"Fuck all these people.
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"I'm gonna be able
to charge more money.
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"They already hate me.
I know my value.
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I know what I'm selling.
I know what I'm doing."
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When I went to strip clubs,
I now had
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an older audience,
a younger audience,
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a political audience,
a gay audience,
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male audience, female audience.
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My range was so incredible,
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people walked up to me
everywhere and they're like,
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"It's that Sarah Palin girl.
It's that Sarah Palin girl."
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It was like, "This is it.
This next four or five years"
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could set up the rest
of my fucking life."
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Like, it's go time.
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We're gonna be on the road
every weekend.
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We're gonna do
47 weekends a year.
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We're gonna do
crazy personal appearances.
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We're gonna do tons of PR.
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Everyone was offering me
these opportunities, you know?
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I remember getting invited to go to
a couple good nude movie premieres,
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getting to go to some events.
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Those are great
photo opportunities for me.
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And I knew that that is
the way to stay relevant,
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to brand yourself
to different fans,
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and to get yourself going
out there in a social scene,
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in a different light
with your clothes on.
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The more gigs I could do
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where it wasn't just about me
fucking or being naked,
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the more I could
cross-pollinate
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and start to get into what was
gonna be my reality one day,
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being dressed.
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All these shows are on Sirius,
so Sirius will hit me up,
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and one of the shows
will hit me up and say,
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"Hey, so and so's coming
through. Can you make it over?"
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'Cause they know
I'm that close.
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So I just get a shower,
get dressed and go over.
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These are opportunities for me
that are priceless, right?
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And everyone just treats me like, I'm
part of the family 'cause I work there,
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and I have my own name badges, and they
don't have to worry about security at all.
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And I feel like
this little job
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has become the biggest
opportunity of my life.
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Okay. I'm gonna put this
plan in motion.
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It's gonna be a one-year plan.
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I'm gonna produce
this many movies
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sol have this much content
for my Web site once I retire.
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I was starting to plant the seeds
that I wanted a sports show.
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I was already working for Sirius
at that time out here in LA
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doing a very fun, sexy show
called "Stripper Town."
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And by September 9th, 2013,
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I started my very
first show with Sirius.
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"Lisa Ann Does Fantasy." It was
my very first sports show.
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You know, I said to my girlfriend
today, I was explaining this to her,
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and I said, "You know,
you have kids and I don't."
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It's like being a proud parent.
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"When you're watching fantasy and one
of your players does what you expected,
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"or even more
than you expected,
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you feel like a proud parent."
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If a girl wants to get
into the adult business now,
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what do you tell her?
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Um, I'd talk with her
about why.
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You know, is she getting into the business
'cause she wants to explore herself sexually?
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She feels that she is more
unique than someone else?
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Is she just
a paycheck performer?
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If so, what is she looking
to do, big picture?
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Because some girls think,
you know,
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"I'm gonna work for a year
or two and make some money
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and put it aside and then
I'll do something else."
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And I'm like, "Yeah, you're not
doing something else."
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You're gonna have at any other job,
someone's gonna know what you've done."
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You have to be done with the business
before the business is done with you.
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And, to many people,
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I've seen the business be done
with them before they were ready,
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and it's devastating.
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Since I retired,
I made a promise
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that I would read
at least one book a week.
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And I feel like my brain
was starting to go to mush
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because it was so easy to be the most
successful porn star in the business
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because all I had to do was follow
some really basic instructions.
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I don't think I could ever walk away
from being Lisa Ann the porn star.
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I don't think there's a country
that I could move to
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where it would be possible.
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I have to accept
that what I put out there,
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and the amount of years
that I put it out there,
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and the willingness
that I put it out there,
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there's something to accept in return for
the security that I've given myself,
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the way that I've been able to live,
the adventures that I've had.
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The sidebar is, sure,
everyone knows who I am,
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and everyone feels
comfortable to approach me.
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You gotta understand something.
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There's a comfort when a guy
sees me that's much different
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than when he sees a football
player or basketball player.
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He has masturbated to me.
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When he looks at me,
and we make eye contact,
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and that twinkle happens, and
he remembers all those moments,
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it's a feeling,
it's an adrenaline rush,
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it's a thing, right?
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I have to be so aware
that I put it out there.
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Who would I be to say,
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"No, I don't want any of you
to talk about this anymore.
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I want this to go away.
I'm no longer her."
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I'm still her.
I was naked.
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There's no shield I was wearing
that covered me from being me.
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And I used my real name,
so, you know.
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I am in porn, yes,
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but I'm also in
the transgender industry,
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which is a very small niche.
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So in order for one to be able
to excel and have an exit plan,
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you have to produce,
you have to direct.
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You have to take control
of your own brand
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and be able to dictate
your own future.
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So, with that said,
that's why I've worked so hard
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to get these accolades
and be able to brand myself
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as a top performer.
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And eventually be able to
develop my own modeling agency,
237
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and get in and get out, right?
238
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And have a family of my own.
239
00:11:49,979 --> 00:11:51,287
So, I'm 25 now,
240
00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:53,050
sol got a couple
more years to go
241
00:11:53,249 --> 00:11:56,230
before I definitely want
to have children of my own.
242
00:12:09,398 --> 00:12:11,844
lf l had my life to live over...
243
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It's out of the question.
244
00:12:13,102 --> 00:12:14,479
Oh, I know.
245
00:12:14,670 --> 00:12:16,877
But I'm just saying, if I did
have my life to live over-
246
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What would you do?
247
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I would live a life filled...
248
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engulfed...
249
00:12:25,014 --> 00:12:27,324
consumed...
250
00:12:27,516 --> 00:12:28,824
by lust.
251
00:12:29,018 --> 00:12:31,020
- You would?
- Yes.
252
00:12:31,220 --> 00:12:33,496
Engulfed?
253
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Consumed.
254
00:12:34,924 --> 00:12:36,426
With lust?
255
00:12:36,625 --> 00:12:37,365
Yes.
256
00:12:38,761 --> 00:12:40,399
What the hell, why not?
257
00:12:40,596 --> 00:12:43,372
There's little enough to do around here.
It'll break the monotony.
258
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Oh, can I?
259
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Just for a short time.
260
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Agreed.
261
00:12:46,869 --> 00:12:48,246
I'll be watching you.
262
00:12:48,437 --> 00:12:49,745
As soon as I feel
that you've had enough,
263
00:12:49,939 --> 00:12:51,418
I'll call you back,
and no nonsense.
264
00:12:51,607 --> 00:12:52,551
Oh, agreed.
265
00:12:52,742 --> 00:12:54,744
When can I start?
266
00:12:56,078 --> 00:12:57,455
Now.
267
00:12:58,647 --> 00:13:01,389
Just walk through that door.
268
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I was ready for anything
by the time I went to New York.
269
00:13:21,637 --> 00:13:25,414
I signed on to do the commissary
for "Devil in Miss Jones."
270
00:13:25,608 --> 00:13:27,713
So when I went up there to get
the money to buy the food,
271
00:13:27,910 --> 00:13:31,949
Jerry says, "I got a guy coming into
read for the devil in this film.
272
00:13:32,148 --> 00:13:34,287
"Would you mind
reading opposite him?"
273
00:13:34,483 --> 00:13:36,087
"Have you ever had
any acting experience?"
274
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I said, "Oh, yes."
I was an actress.
275
00:13:38,187 --> 00:13:39,666
"I'm an actress."
276
00:13:39,855 --> 00:13:41,596
And he said, "Would you mind
reading with him?"
277
00:13:41,791 --> 00:13:43,896
"Of course not." So I sat
down, we read the scene.
278
00:13:44,093 --> 00:13:45,663
And I'm chewing up the script,
279
00:13:45,828 --> 00:13:48,104
you know, I'm having
a great time with this.
280
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And after the guy leaves,
281
00:13:49,999 --> 00:13:50,977
he leans over,
he said,
282
00:13:51,167 --> 00:13:53,579
"Would you like
to play the role?"
283
00:13:53,769 --> 00:13:59,913
A lead role in a real movie?
Well, I guess so.
284
00:14:00,109 --> 00:14:02,521
I said, "Can I cook too?"
He said, "Yeah."
285
00:14:02,711 --> 00:14:04,315
He said, "I'll pay you
100 a day for acting,
286
00:14:04,513 --> 00:14:05,685
and 45 a day to cook."
287
00:14:05,848 --> 00:14:09,159
That was a killing for us
in those days, let me tell you.
288
00:14:09,351 --> 00:14:12,821
So we went toddling out
to some place in New Jersey.
289
00:14:13,022 --> 00:14:15,525
And so help me, Your Honor,
I think it was New Jersey.
290
00:14:15,724 --> 00:14:18,705
It could have been New York.
I have no idea where it was.
291
00:14:18,894 --> 00:14:23,604
It was a big old deserted farm,
with a big old barn.
292
00:14:23,799 --> 00:14:27,372
And they moved the film
equipment into the barn,
293
00:14:27,536 --> 00:14:30,176
and we lived in the barn,
and we shot in the barn,
294
00:14:30,372 --> 00:14:32,352
and we got in the cars
and we went home.
295
00:14:32,508 --> 00:14:35,512
And that's howl did
"The Devil in Miss Jones."
296
00:14:35,711 --> 00:14:40,524
I have no idea why
"The Devil in Miss Jones,"
297
00:14:40,716 --> 00:14:44,994
a fuck film, let's face it,
a porno, a pornographic film,
298
00:14:45,187 --> 00:14:47,224
resonated as it did
299
00:14:47,423 --> 00:14:51,735
with such a great range of
American society of that time.
300
00:14:51,927 --> 00:14:54,533
But for some reason, boy,
it just splashed over
301
00:14:54,730 --> 00:15:00,237
into something that Judith Crist
dubbed "porn chic."
302
00:15:00,436 --> 00:15:02,416
If you touch me, I can get off.
303
00:15:02,571 --> 00:15:05,074
We'll get off tog ether.
304
00:15:05,274 --> 00:15:08,653
If you just...
just put your cock in me.
305
00:15:08,844 --> 00:15:12,519
Would you like to put your cock in me?
Then we can get off.
306
00:15:12,715 --> 00:15:16,492
People were going as couples
307
00:15:16,685 --> 00:15:19,757
to see hardcore
pornographic films,
308
00:15:19,955 --> 00:15:21,195
to see sex films.
309
00:15:22,925 --> 00:15:25,235
I mean, nice couples.
310
00:15:25,427 --> 00:15:28,533
At the time, I had no idea
that anyone I knew,
311
00:15:28,731 --> 00:15:30,768
much less anyone that
I was related to
312
00:15:30,933 --> 00:15:32,571
would ever see this film.
313
00:15:33,802 --> 00:15:36,078
And, um, they did.
314
00:15:37,540 --> 00:15:39,520
And I had to say,
"Yeah, that was me."
315
00:15:39,708 --> 00:15:43,087
"Yes, brother dear,
that was your sister."
316
00:15:43,279 --> 00:15:46,726
It was a moment of truth
in my life.
317
00:15:49,385 --> 00:15:51,888
And I said,
"How's Mom taking it?"
318
00:15:52,087 --> 00:15:53,532
And he said,
"Well, you know Mom.
319
00:15:53,722 --> 00:15:56,703
She rolls with any punch
that comes her way,"
320
00:15:56,892 --> 00:15:58,565
and she did, you know.
321
00:16:00,663 --> 00:16:06,636
Uh, she never said
"I forgive you."
322
00:16:06,835 --> 00:16:11,807
But she almost said,
"I understand" before she died.
323
00:16:14,610 --> 00:16:17,056
I didn't exactly
exit the business.
324
00:16:17,246 --> 00:16:18,884
The business
kind of exited me.
325
00:16:19,081 --> 00:16:22,961
Every film I made was the last
film I was ever gonna do.
326
00:16:23,152 --> 00:16:24,825
I never sought out the films.
327
00:16:25,020 --> 00:16:28,126
People would call me and ask me
if I would work, if I was busy.
328
00:16:28,324 --> 00:16:29,496
And I usually would say,
329
00:16:29,692 --> 00:16:33,663
"Well, I don't really want to,
but okay, one more."
330
00:16:33,862 --> 00:16:38,140
Sol got this very good job,
and it was a nine-to-five job
331
00:16:38,334 --> 00:16:39,472
and took up my time.
332
00:16:39,668 --> 00:16:42,148
Now and then I would
get a call to do a film,
333
00:16:42,338 --> 00:16:45,649
and I would take
a week's vacation
334
00:16:45,841 --> 00:16:47,684
and run off and do a film.
335
00:16:47,876 --> 00:16:50,755
And one day, my boss
called me in and said,
336
00:16:50,946 --> 00:16:54,325
"Are you going off
to do one of those films?"
337
00:16:54,516 --> 00:16:56,655
And I said, "Well, yeah."
338
00:16:56,852 --> 00:16:59,298
He said, "It's been brought
to my attention"
339
00:16:59,488 --> 00:17:03,163
"that some of the board
of directors are aware
340
00:17:03,359 --> 00:17:05,168
that you have done
some of these films."
341
00:17:05,361 --> 00:17:08,535
And I said, "This is
the last one, I promise."
342
00:17:08,731 --> 00:17:11,541
He said, "Oh, okay.
I'll tell them that."
343
00:17:11,734 --> 00:17:14,681
And it was.
344
00:17:14,870 --> 00:17:17,874
I don't know what
today's adult films are.
345
00:17:18,073 --> 00:17:21,179
I presume
it's all on the Web.
346
00:17:21,377 --> 00:17:25,689
Or on video tape
or cassettes or some media.
347
00:17:25,881 --> 00:17:30,330
I doubt if there are what we
used to call the "stroke houses"
348
00:17:30,519 --> 00:17:33,693
around anymore.
349
00:17:33,889 --> 00:17:35,960
You know, when you bought
the popcorn box
350
00:17:36,158 --> 00:17:39,230
and took the bottom out
and dumped the popcorn.
351
00:17:41,830 --> 00:17:43,400
Or you brought a top hat.
352
00:17:45,901 --> 00:17:49,371
By and large,
it's been a delightful trip.
353
00:17:49,571 --> 00:17:52,381
I now and then
get the feeling,
354
00:17:52,574 --> 00:17:56,044
yeah, there's probably a big
waterfall somewhere
355
00:17:56,245 --> 00:17:57,417
there in the distance.
356
00:17:57,613 --> 00:18:00,025
I can kind of hear it
rumbling now and then,
357
00:18:00,215 --> 00:18:03,219
but what am I gonna
do about it?
358
00:18:03,419 --> 00:18:05,763
The things I am
most grateful for
359
00:18:05,954 --> 00:18:08,264
are having met
the love of my life-
360
00:18:08,457 --> 00:18:10,835
not everybody gets to do that--
361
00:18:11,026 --> 00:18:13,370
and having not only met
the love of my life,
362
00:18:13,562 --> 00:18:16,566
having him feel
the same way about me,
363
00:18:16,765 --> 00:18:19,439
so that we could
build a life together
364
00:18:19,635 --> 00:18:22,582
in this absolutely
delightful little paradise
365
00:18:22,738 --> 00:18:24,445
that we get to call home,
366
00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:27,678
here under the glorious
Hollywood sign.
367
00:18:32,648 --> 00:18:35,527
In my world- I'm also
a psychic reader for a living-
368
00:18:35,718 --> 00:18:38,062
so, we don't have time lines
369
00:18:38,253 --> 00:18:40,631
because time is infinite
in my world.
370
00:18:40,823 --> 00:18:43,099
So there's no exit or entrance.
371
00:18:43,292 --> 00:18:47,069
It's just all a big giant
conglomeration of joy and love.
372
00:18:47,262 --> 00:18:49,401
So, no, I don't have
an answer to that question.
373
00:18:49,598 --> 00:18:52,772
But I plan to dance, perform,
374
00:18:52,968 --> 00:18:55,710
dance with snakes and play,
until I feel
375
00:18:55,904 --> 00:18:58,282
that my heart tells me
to do something different.
376
00:18:58,474 --> 00:19:00,454
So, it could be infinite,
377
00:19:00,642 --> 00:19:02,087
it could be tomorrow,
it could be yesterday,
378
00:19:02,277 --> 00:19:03,915
it could be
five years from now,
379
00:19:04,113 --> 00:19:05,820
it could be a month.
380
00:19:09,418 --> 00:19:12,627
Oh, see? Darren James.
381
00:19:12,821 --> 00:19:14,767
Right now we have
a beautiful lady.
382
00:19:14,957 --> 00:19:16,664
Back up a little bit
and take a look at her.
383
00:19:16,859 --> 00:19:18,133
Look at this body.
384
00:19:18,327 --> 00:19:19,738
What's your name?
385
00:19:19,928 --> 00:19:21,839
- Lara.
- Lara.
386
00:19:22,030 --> 00:19:24,237
What's your age?
387
00:19:24,433 --> 00:19:25,935
Um, 19?
388
00:19:26,135 --> 00:19:28,115
19. I like that.
389
00:19:46,455 --> 00:19:49,698
And HIV scare has
reportedly shut down the porn industry
390
00:19:49,892 --> 00:19:51,599
after Darren James
contracted the virus
391
00:19:51,794 --> 00:19:53,865
after returning to the US
after filming in Brazil.
392
00:19:54,062 --> 00:19:55,666
It was
discovered that three actresses
393
00:19:55,864 --> 00:19:57,775
who had worked with James
shortly after his return
394
00:19:57,966 --> 00:19:58,944
to the United States
395
00:19:59,134 --> 00:20:00,613
had also become infected.
396
00:20:00,803 --> 00:20:02,976
A week later, he turned
up at a San Diego County hospital
397
00:20:03,172 --> 00:20:04,947
recovering from
an apparent suicide attempt.
398
00:20:05,140 --> 00:20:06,881
He's a
middle-aged black porn actor
399
00:20:07,075 --> 00:20:08,611
who wanted to be a policeman.
400
00:20:12,915 --> 00:20:16,124
This is not going
to be a tragedy for me.
401
00:20:16,318 --> 00:20:18,161
It's a beginning.
402
00:20:22,891 --> 00:20:24,529
You got a reason to be here.
403
00:20:24,726 --> 00:20:26,501
You're gonna have
to figure that out.
404
00:20:30,032 --> 00:20:32,740
I guess I was too old
and ugly to die,
405
00:20:32,935 --> 00:20:38,044
but I've survived,
and I came back.
406
00:20:57,726 --> 00:20:59,103
I'm from Detroit.
407
00:20:59,294 --> 00:21:03,868
And I started years ago,
the United States Navy, 1982.
408
00:21:04,066 --> 00:21:07,604
Being a Seabee, it taught me
a lot about... team,
409
00:21:07,803 --> 00:21:09,009
just being a team.
410
00:21:09,204 --> 00:21:11,775
Tours all over the world.
411
00:21:11,974 --> 00:21:14,386
And when I was in Puerto Rico,
I met some Navy SEALs
412
00:21:14,576 --> 00:21:17,420
at the time, 'cause we had a training
camp right next to those guys.
413
00:21:17,613 --> 00:21:19,957
And those guys
just broke me in.
414
00:21:20,148 --> 00:21:23,186
I mean, they educated me
about myself, my life.
415
00:21:23,385 --> 00:21:25,023
It was like a brotherhood.
416
00:21:25,220 --> 00:21:26,927
And it taught me something.
417
00:21:27,122 --> 00:21:31,127
Far as where I'm at now,
it's like...
418
00:21:31,293 --> 00:21:36,436
I can't leave my brothers that
were in the porn industry behind.
419
00:21:36,632 --> 00:21:39,135
That's why I speak about,
you know,
420
00:21:39,334 --> 00:21:41,575
being with the condoms issue
and everything else.
421
00:21:41,770 --> 00:21:45,775
And just trying my best
to back these guys up.
422
00:21:45,974 --> 00:21:48,648
Congratulations, recruit.
423
00:21:49,578 --> 00:21:50,955
- Good job.
- Thank you, sir.
424
00:21:51,847 --> 00:21:53,383
Congratulations, recruit.
425
00:21:53,582 --> 00:21:54,492
Thank you.
426
00:21:54,650 --> 00:21:56,425
Good job.
Mmm.
427
00:21:56,618 --> 00:21:59,258
Then, when you get on the outside,
it's like, "Wait a minute."
428
00:21:59,454 --> 00:22:01,593
"This was reality.
I need a job."
429
00:22:01,790 --> 00:22:03,292
I fell into the porn industry
430
00:22:03,492 --> 00:22:05,995
and it was just
one gig after another.
431
00:22:10,499 --> 00:22:12,843
Around the time
when I was working,
432
00:22:13,001 --> 00:22:15,675
I couldn't recall
if I got it there.
433
00:22:15,871 --> 00:22:17,976
I couldn't even tell you if
I got it before I left.
434
00:22:18,173 --> 00:22:19,982
We just don't know
'cause I worked so much
435
00:22:20,175 --> 00:22:23,122
at that period of time
when I was infected.
436
00:22:23,312 --> 00:22:27,692
But I remember I wasn't feeling
as hot when I got to Brazil
437
00:22:27,883 --> 00:22:30,090
at this one particular
time I was working.
438
00:22:30,285 --> 00:22:32,629
We were doing a huge orgy.
439
00:22:32,821 --> 00:22:35,199
It was probably my
second orgy when I got there.
440
00:22:35,390 --> 00:22:36,835
I was so tired and exhausted.
441
00:22:37,025 --> 00:22:39,027
I thought it was
just I was overworked.
442
00:22:40,062 --> 00:22:41,473
Learning how this virus works,
443
00:22:41,663 --> 00:22:44,701
that's probably at the time
where I was probably infected
444
00:22:44,900 --> 00:22:46,038
and didn't even know.
445
00:22:46,234 --> 00:22:48,475
It's hard to conclude
and come to a conclusion
446
00:22:48,670 --> 00:22:50,650
where I got it.
That's the problem.
447
00:22:50,839 --> 00:22:52,443
That's the gray area.
448
00:22:52,641 --> 00:22:54,120
I just-- You know,
if I had a condom,
449
00:22:54,309 --> 00:22:56,220
this probably
wouldn't have happened.
450
00:22:56,378 --> 00:22:58,824
Period. This probably
wouldn't have happened.
451
00:23:02,918 --> 00:23:05,023
You know, I'm not thinking
this stuff would ever happen.
452
00:23:05,220 --> 00:23:07,666
The porn industry, this would
never--I would never get this.
453
00:23:07,856 --> 00:23:10,166
But the way my
career ended was
454
00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:12,236
my family was in the church.
455
00:23:13,895 --> 00:23:15,897
I get diagnosed, same time,
456
00:23:16,098 --> 00:23:17,975
it's all over
the news in Detroit.
457
00:23:19,034 --> 00:23:20,911
So people
finding out right there.
458
00:23:22,404 --> 00:23:23,974
But for some reason,
459
00:23:24,172 --> 00:23:25,583
the church
was smart enough--
460
00:23:25,774 --> 00:23:27,151
I haven't seen these
people in years--
461
00:23:27,342 --> 00:23:29,083
now keep in mind,
I was gone for years.
462
00:23:29,277 --> 00:23:31,154
I've been gone from home,
463
00:23:31,346 --> 00:23:34,816
and these people
protected me even then.
464
00:23:36,184 --> 00:23:37,686
They stood up for me
even then.
465
00:23:37,886 --> 00:23:39,763
I didn't know
till I heard later.
466
00:23:42,724 --> 00:23:44,829
They stood up by me even then.
467
00:23:51,133 --> 00:23:54,273
If it wasn't for the individuals
I've met in my past,
468
00:23:54,469 --> 00:23:57,211
I still had that memory, like,
all these Navy SEALs that I met
469
00:23:57,406 --> 00:23:59,784
or military guys that I met
that did martial arts.
470
00:23:59,975 --> 00:24:01,852
They groomed me.
I just brought that back.
471
00:24:02,044 --> 00:24:04,718
Brought that back home
and just got off my ass.
472
00:24:04,913 --> 00:24:06,915
Got off the couch one day.
Get back in the gym.
473
00:24:07,115 --> 00:24:09,721
'Cause, you know, I can't help
nobody if I ain't helping myself.
474
00:24:09,918 --> 00:24:12,922
'Cause being a public speaker, you gotta
be able to back up what you're preaching.
475
00:24:13,088 --> 00:24:15,932
You know, they don't want to look at
somebody that's all falling apart,
476
00:24:16,124 --> 00:24:18,730
typical stigma
of being a positive.
477
00:24:18,927 --> 00:24:20,804
"Oh, this guy looks sickly."
Fuck that.
478
00:24:20,996 --> 00:24:22,407
You know, I gotta do it, man.
479
00:24:22,597 --> 00:24:24,133
You gotta get out
and do something.
480
00:24:24,332 --> 00:24:25,868
You know? And keep giving.
481
00:24:26,068 --> 00:24:29,072
As much as I can while I
still got time on the clock.
482
00:24:29,271 --> 00:24:31,979
And I got a lot more work
to do. You know?
483
00:24:32,174 --> 00:24:33,380
Who knows?
Maybe somebody will see me,
484
00:24:33,575 --> 00:24:35,782
and just do the same to help
somebody else, that's all.
485
00:24:35,977 --> 00:24:38,321
- Help, that bar?
- Yup.
486
00:24:38,513 --> 00:24:41,050
Rich Piano showed me that.
Just do the quick shit.
487
00:24:42,584 --> 00:24:44,621
A lot of times
when you've diagnosed,
488
00:24:44,786 --> 00:24:46,060
people, you know,
we get in denial.
489
00:24:46,254 --> 00:24:47,562
I've been there.
You don't wanna do nothing.
490
00:24:47,756 --> 00:24:49,167
Ah, just give up.
You can't.
491
00:24:49,357 --> 00:24:53,396
Just like cancer, any kind
of illness that you get,
492
00:24:53,595 --> 00:24:54,972
man, you gotta get up
and move on.
493
00:24:55,163 --> 00:24:58,406
You get better by doing something
for yourself, you know?
494
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:01,843
I'll tell anybody else, we all
survivors when it comes to this.
495
00:25:02,037 --> 00:25:05,814
You know, this is not
gonna be a tragedy for me.
496
00:25:06,007 --> 00:25:07,179
It's a beginning.
497
00:25:09,811 --> 00:25:14,089
I regret that I didn't get out at
the time when I was supposed to.
498
00:25:14,282 --> 00:25:16,023
'Cause there was one period
I did get out. I quit.
499
00:25:16,218 --> 00:25:19,165
I just didn't want to do it.
You know, my morals kicked in.
500
00:25:19,354 --> 00:25:23,928
And then somebody called me back
with a decent budget.
501
00:25:24,126 --> 00:25:26,197
And we could probably
get you in a contract.
502
00:25:26,394 --> 00:25:27,498
I jumped on it.
503
00:25:28,730 --> 00:25:30,300
I should have got out.
504
00:25:30,499 --> 00:25:34,379
That's what I regret.
I didn't make that move.
505
00:25:34,569 --> 00:25:37,448
Far as anything else, I miss
the travels and the people.
506
00:25:37,639 --> 00:25:39,118
Behind the scenes, the crew.
507
00:25:39,307 --> 00:25:42,049
You know, I met some really interesting
people that opened my eyes.
508
00:25:42,244 --> 00:25:44,281
There is good people
in the industry.
509
00:25:44,479 --> 00:25:45,617
There is a lot
of good people.
510
00:25:45,814 --> 00:25:47,657
But you can't talk, you know?
511
00:25:47,849 --> 00:25:49,192
You go against
the grain, you're out.
512
00:25:49,384 --> 00:25:52,695
That was their income.
Like anybody else, we're all making a living.
513
00:25:52,888 --> 00:25:56,734
But being able to stand up
against that,
514
00:25:56,925 --> 00:25:58,905
the first one in history
to stand up against...
515
00:25:59,094 --> 00:26:01,836
I think to go so hardcore
against the industry,
516
00:26:02,030 --> 00:26:05,341
to show that they had some things that
were wrong and then address it...
517
00:26:07,002 --> 00:26:08,413
I don't regret that.
518
00:26:08,603 --> 00:26:13,052
Because you can't save
everybody, but I can try.
519
00:26:13,208 --> 00:26:15,347
They're not gonna like it,
but I'll keep trying.
520
00:26:23,351 --> 00:26:25,331
In California, there is
a push right now,
521
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:27,090
primarily from one organization,
522
00:26:27,289 --> 00:26:30,327
to try and force performers
to wear condoms
523
00:26:30,525 --> 00:26:33,005
amongst other safety gear,
at all times.
524
00:26:33,195 --> 00:26:34,868
And the truth of the matter is
525
00:26:35,063 --> 00:26:37,270
there are negative
effects of condoms.
526
00:26:37,465 --> 00:26:38,944
But we're not allowed
to talk about them
527
00:26:39,134 --> 00:26:42,274
because it's so difficult to get
people to use them in the first place.
528
00:26:42,470 --> 00:26:44,950
You can imagine that's not
a very popular topic.
529
00:26:45,140 --> 00:26:48,121
The truth of the matter is
when people use condoms,
530
00:26:48,276 --> 00:26:50,085
as compared
to not using condoms,
531
00:26:50,278 --> 00:26:52,758
it's been tested with people
within the same partner,
532
00:26:52,948 --> 00:26:55,121
that condom use does
increase the presence
533
00:26:55,317 --> 00:26:57,923
of three different types of
bacteria, at least, in the vagina,
534
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:00,690
and also causes erythema,
or a reddening in the vulva,
535
00:27:00,889 --> 00:27:03,199
which is consistent
with more tearing.
536
00:27:03,391 --> 00:27:05,894
So if the performers
are testing,
537
00:27:06,094 --> 00:27:07,732
and they know
that they're clean,
538
00:27:07,929 --> 00:27:09,203
by using condoms,
they're probably
539
00:27:09,397 --> 00:27:11,468
increasing their risk
of bacterial infection.
540
00:27:11,633 --> 00:27:15,376
So they actually have a really
good ground to argue against
541
00:27:15,570 --> 00:27:17,607
the use of condoms,
especially in the context,
542
00:27:17,806 --> 00:27:19,217
in the way that
they're using them.
543
00:27:19,407 --> 00:27:22,320
Because there is some associated
increased risk with it.
544
00:27:22,510 --> 00:27:24,615
However, you can
imagine the knee-jerk
545
00:27:24,813 --> 00:27:26,554
to that kind of response.
546
00:27:26,748 --> 00:27:30,389
Especially, you know, I work
with a lot of HIV researchers.
547
00:27:30,585 --> 00:27:32,758
We do not want
to have this conversation.
548
00:27:32,954 --> 00:27:37,232
Just because it's so difficult to get people who
aren't being tested like the performers are
549
00:27:37,425 --> 00:27:38,995
to use condoms
in the first place.
550
00:27:39,194 --> 00:27:40,764
We would hate
to discourage their use
551
00:27:40,962 --> 00:27:42,566
amongst those type of folks.
552
00:27:42,764 --> 00:27:44,402
But I think amongst performers,
553
00:27:44,599 --> 00:27:47,478
it's probably very reasonable
to let them make that decision.
554
00:27:59,547 --> 00:28:03,791
This painting is the quickest
painting I've ever done.
555
00:28:03,985 --> 00:28:05,521
My boyfriend and I were--
556
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:07,825
You know how you get in
little spats, little fights?
557
00:28:08,023 --> 00:28:09,593
We were fighting
and I went to bed,
558
00:28:09,791 --> 00:28:12,635
and I couldn't sleep.
I was furious with him.
559
00:28:12,827 --> 00:28:15,364
And I got up, it was
three o'clock in the morning,
560
00:28:15,563 --> 00:28:18,339
and I came down and I grabbed
my biggest canvas that I had,
561
00:28:18,533 --> 00:28:20,877
and just let it all out.
562
00:28:21,069 --> 00:28:22,275
That's how most
of my paintings go.
563
00:28:22,470 --> 00:28:25,280
You know, I don't have any
training, it's just what I feel.
564
00:28:25,473 --> 00:28:27,817
So, this one
is called "Mad Love."
565
00:28:29,644 --> 00:28:32,056
And it's actually
one of my favorites.
566
00:28:41,556 --> 00:28:44,503
Grr. Arf. Arf.
Give it up.
567
00:28:44,693 --> 00:28:46,798
I'm originally
from Rockford, Illinois.
568
00:28:46,995 --> 00:28:50,568
And there are two things that came
out of Rockford that are famous.
569
00:28:50,765 --> 00:28:52,836
Cheap Trick, and Ginger Lynn.
570
00:29:03,878 --> 00:29:06,586
Porn, it had gone from
the place where
571
00:29:06,781 --> 00:29:09,227
you sat in a theater
in your raincoat and jerked off
572
00:29:09,417 --> 00:29:13,092
to you bought a VCR, and you
got a Ginger Lynn movie.
573
00:29:13,955 --> 00:29:16,333
I was one of the first girls
574
00:29:16,524 --> 00:29:19,027
that didn't look like
I did What I did.
575
00:29:19,227 --> 00:29:21,901
I became
so well known so quickly.
576
00:29:22,097 --> 00:29:24,737
A lot of mainstream actors
knew who I was.
577
00:29:24,933 --> 00:29:28,676
They were as excited to meet me
as I was to meet them.
578
00:29:28,870 --> 00:29:31,282
I was, you know,
their first porn.
579
00:29:34,809 --> 00:29:37,756
In the '80s when it was cool to
be a porn star... - Yeah.
580
00:29:37,946 --> 00:29:40,927
...and celebrities
wanted to meet you,
581
00:29:41,116 --> 00:29:44,427
I went to lunch
with my attorney,
582
00:29:44,619 --> 00:29:46,360
and Milton Berle...
583
00:29:47,655 --> 00:29:49,134
I'm 21 years old,
584
00:29:49,324 --> 00:29:50,860
I'm sitting in
this old Hollywood,
585
00:29:51,059 --> 00:29:54,472
dark wood,
red leather seat restaurant,
586
00:29:54,662 --> 00:29:57,643
and I'm in between
my attorney and Milton Berle,
587
00:29:57,832 --> 00:30:02,281
and Milton Berle unzips his
pants and whips his dick out.
588
00:30:02,470 --> 00:30:04,882
Just whips it right out
in the restaurant
589
00:30:05,073 --> 00:30:06,916
right in front of me.
590
00:30:07,108 --> 00:30:09,714
And I'm trying
to maintain eye contact,
591
00:30:09,911 --> 00:30:12,289
but it's very difficult.
I kept looking down at it.
592
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,290
He never tried anything,
didn't try to touch me,
593
00:30:15,483 --> 00:30:17,326
didn't play with it,
he just whipped it out
594
00:30:17,519 --> 00:30:20,557
and let it hang the whole
dinner--the whole lunch.
595
00:30:20,755 --> 00:30:21,961
Are the stories true?
596
00:30:22,157 --> 00:30:24,398
Oh, it's huge! It's huge!
597
00:30:24,592 --> 00:30:27,232
He would give John Holmes
a run for the money.
598
00:30:27,429 --> 00:30:30,740
Big, huge, honkin' dick.
599
00:30:30,932 --> 00:30:36,439
I started my adult film career
December 9th, 1983.
600
00:30:36,638 --> 00:30:40,415
I turned 21 five days later
on December 14th.
601
00:30:40,608 --> 00:30:44,249
I filmed until
February 11th 1986.
602
00:30:44,446 --> 00:30:46,357
But the thing I remember
about that last day--
603
00:30:46,548 --> 00:30:48,960
It was a couple weeks
before I quit,
604
00:30:49,150 --> 00:30:50,128
I woke up,
605
00:30:50,318 --> 00:30:51,820
and most days I would
wake up and go,
606
00:30:52,020 --> 00:30:54,330
"Yes! I'm going to have
sex with this person today!"
607
00:30:54,522 --> 00:30:56,365
"I'm gonna fuck that person,
eat this pussy,"
608
00:30:56,558 --> 00:30:57,935
and I would be so excited.
609
00:30:58,126 --> 00:31:00,766
I woke up this
one particular morning
610
00:31:00,962 --> 00:31:02,373
and I said to myself,
611
00:31:02,564 --> 00:31:05,545
"I don't want to fuck today.
I'm done."
612
00:31:05,733 --> 00:31:08,441
So, I was under contract
with Vivid Video at the time.
613
00:31:08,636 --> 00:31:10,138
I went into Vivid and said,
you know,
614
00:31:10,338 --> 00:31:11,817
I talked to the owner and said,
615
00:31:12,006 --> 00:31:15,783
"My head's not in the right
place and I can't do this."
616
00:31:15,977 --> 00:31:18,184
He said, "Cool, I understand."
617
00:31:18,379 --> 00:31:19,824
"Is there any way
that you could finish"
618
00:31:20,014 --> 00:31:21,994
"your last two
films under contract?"
619
00:31:22,183 --> 00:31:23,958
And I said yes.
620
00:31:24,152 --> 00:31:26,530
And February 11th,
I came home,
621
00:31:26,721 --> 00:31:28,564
and my boyfriend
had taken our bathtub
622
00:31:28,756 --> 00:31:33,171
and filled it with gallons
and gallons and gallons of milk
623
00:31:33,361 --> 00:31:34,635
and white rose petals.
624
00:31:34,829 --> 00:31:38,641
And I had a cleansing bath that
I was done with the business.
625
00:31:38,833 --> 00:31:42,406
And there was something
really romantic about that.
626
00:31:42,604 --> 00:31:44,641
It was like,
it really was a cleansing.
627
00:31:44,839 --> 00:31:46,819
And not that there's anything
bad about what I did,
628
00:31:47,008 --> 00:31:49,943
but I was moving on
to another phase of my life.
629
00:31:49,944 --> 00:31:52,185
When I quit, I didn't think
about the big picture.
630
00:31:52,380 --> 00:31:53,324
What am I gonna do next?
631
00:31:53,515 --> 00:31:54,994
I owned a house
in Beverly Hills.
632
00:31:55,183 --> 00:31:56,662
I had a mortgage to pay.
633
00:31:59,721 --> 00:32:02,429
I guess I would say yes,
634
00:32:02,624 --> 00:32:04,763
I did always want to be in
the entertainment business
635
00:32:04,959 --> 00:32:07,565
without really realizing it.
636
00:32:07,762 --> 00:32:09,435
And I am now.
637
00:32:09,631 --> 00:32:11,770
Sol broke into
the mainstream arena.
638
00:32:11,933 --> 00:32:14,209
I worked on dozens of films.
639
00:32:14,402 --> 00:32:16,609
I've got a new film coming out
called "Lost Souls."
640
00:32:16,804 --> 00:32:19,011
- Oh, wow.
- Should be out for Halloween.
641
00:32:19,207 --> 00:32:20,584
Another film.
642
00:32:20,775 --> 00:32:23,278
I have a very small role in the Coen
Brothers new film "The Big Lebowski."
643
00:32:23,478 --> 00:32:24,855
- What else?
- Oh, wow.
644
00:32:25,046 --> 00:32:27,549
"Wing Commander: Prophecy" with Mark
Hamill will be out for Christmas.
645
00:32:27,749 --> 00:32:30,889
And "God's Lonely Man" with
Justine Bateman will be out soon.
646
00:32:31,085 --> 00:32:32,359
WOW!
647
00:32:32,554 --> 00:32:35,535
This is gonna sound awful.
I was having really shitty sex.
648
00:32:35,723 --> 00:32:38,294
I couldn't find a lover
that could satisfy me
649
00:32:38,493 --> 00:32:40,268
to save my life for years.
650
00:32:40,461 --> 00:32:42,532
I just wanted
to get fucked good.
651
00:32:42,730 --> 00:32:45,711
I just really wanted-
I wanted to have sex with girls.
652
00:32:45,900 --> 00:32:47,243
I wanted to get fucked by boys.
653
00:32:47,435 --> 00:32:49,244
I wanted to--
I wanted good sex.
654
00:32:49,437 --> 00:32:52,111
So I went to Vivid,
I went to Wicked,
655
00:32:52,307 --> 00:32:56,653
and I went to VCA,
and made exorbitant requests.
656
00:32:56,844 --> 00:32:58,653
Making a comeback,
this is what I want.
657
00:32:58,846 --> 00:33:01,258
Get all three of the companies,
made me an offer,
658
00:33:01,449 --> 00:33:03,451
and I decided
to go with VCA.
659
00:33:03,618 --> 00:33:05,063
And there's a film I did
called "Taken."
660
00:33:05,253 --> 00:33:08,826
The director was Veronica Hart.
She came to me and she said,
661
00:33:09,023 --> 00:33:11,731
"Ginger, you know, I just don't
think this is gonna happen.
662
00:33:11,926 --> 00:33:14,566
"And I think you're the only
actress that can pull this off.
663
00:33:14,762 --> 00:33:16,298
"I want to make it into a porn,
664
00:33:16,497 --> 00:33:18,477
and I want you
to be the star in it."
665
00:33:18,633 --> 00:33:20,112
I won best actress for
that film that year.
666
00:33:20,301 --> 00:33:24,579
And it's the only best actress award
I've won that I thought I deserved.
667
00:33:24,772 --> 00:33:26,945
I'd become an actress.
668
00:33:28,810 --> 00:33:30,585
A lot of people
that get into porn,
669
00:33:30,778 --> 00:33:32,280
there is no life after porn.
670
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:33,982
They don't know
what to do with themselves.
671
00:33:34,182 --> 00:33:37,186
And if you're known as
a sex object your whole life
672
00:33:37,385 --> 00:33:39,160
and sex is all you know,
673
00:33:39,354 --> 00:33:40,924
where do you go?
How do you apply for a job?
674
00:33:41,122 --> 00:33:44,592
You know, I've been fucking
on film for the last 30 years?
675
00:33:44,792 --> 00:33:47,500
And it's important that you
think about your future.
676
00:33:47,695 --> 00:33:50,869
You think about what's
going to happen afterwards.
677
00:33:51,065 --> 00:33:52,510
I've been really lucky with--
678
00:33:52,700 --> 00:33:54,304
you know,
I started three Web sites
679
00:33:54,502 --> 00:33:57,676
as well as doing my paintings
680
00:33:57,872 --> 00:33:59,715
and everything,
I have my auction site.
681
00:33:59,907 --> 00:34:02,888
Ginger Lynn Auctions dot com,
Ginger Lynn dot com,
682
00:34:03,077 --> 00:34:06,115
and my art site, which is
Ginger Lynn Art dot com.
683
00:34:06,314 --> 00:34:09,386
So I've always got a lot
of different eggs in the basket
684
00:34:09,584 --> 00:34:11,621
and things to fall back on.
685
00:34:11,819 --> 00:34:13,127
'Cause it scares me.
686
00:34:13,321 --> 00:34:14,800
You know, I don't want to be 60
687
00:34:14,989 --> 00:34:17,560
and have nothing to show
what I've worked for.
688
00:34:20,495 --> 00:34:24,637
I did a half-a-dozen films
in, like, 2005.
689
00:34:26,100 --> 00:34:29,138
I wouldn't recommend anybody
get into the business today.
690
00:34:29,337 --> 00:34:32,807
I just wouldn't.
It's changed so much.
691
00:34:33,007 --> 00:34:35,044
I had been cast on a film,
692
00:34:35,243 --> 00:34:37,985
and there was somebody else
doing a scene before me,
693
00:34:38,179 --> 00:34:42,059
very famous, very well known
actress in the business,
694
00:34:42,250 --> 00:34:43,661
good friend of mine.
695
00:34:43,851 --> 00:34:45,990
And she was
sitting on the sofa,
696
00:34:46,187 --> 00:34:48,565
and there was her costar
on the other end of the sofa.
697
00:34:48,723 --> 00:34:50,202
This is before filming.
698
00:34:50,391 --> 00:34:52,735
I used to get in trouble
on every single set.
699
00:34:52,927 --> 00:34:55,771
Once my makeup was done,
I'm on you.
700
00:34:55,963 --> 00:34:58,000
I'd be sucking your dick,
I'd be kissing you, you know,
701
00:34:58,199 --> 00:34:59,610
and then have to redo my makeup.
702
00:34:59,801 --> 00:35:02,748
I'd get in trouble all the time
because I wanted to be there.
703
00:35:02,937 --> 00:35:07,283
These two people sat on opposite
ends of the sofa on their phones.
704
00:35:07,475 --> 00:35:10,786
And then they called, you know, "We're ready for
you on set," and they just went and fucked.
705
00:35:10,978 --> 00:35:14,187
There was no connection,
no nothing.
706
00:35:14,382 --> 00:35:18,524
Sex is such
an intimate thing, for me,
707
00:35:18,720 --> 00:35:20,961
that I have to like you
to fuck you.
708
00:35:21,155 --> 00:35:23,533
I have to want
to be with you.
709
00:35:23,725 --> 00:35:26,262
I want that buildup,
that anticipation,
710
00:35:26,461 --> 00:35:27,621
that "I can't wait."
You know?
711
00:35:27,795 --> 00:35:31,072
If you're in an industry
that's that intimate,
712
00:35:31,265 --> 00:35:33,609
you need to love
what you're doing.
713
00:35:33,768 --> 00:35:35,645
I always have said
714
00:35:35,837 --> 00:35:38,113
if you call me a whore,
I'll, like, want to punch you.
715
00:35:38,306 --> 00:35:40,616
You can call me
a slut all day long.
716
00:35:40,808 --> 00:35:43,618
I like to fuck, and I've
fucked a lot of people.
717
00:35:43,778 --> 00:35:44,779
But I've never been a whore.
718
00:35:44,979 --> 00:35:48,791
And if I worked at McDonald's
and didn't like it,
719
00:35:48,983 --> 00:35:49,927
I'd be a whore.
720
00:35:50,118 --> 00:35:51,791
It doesn't necessarily
have to do with sex.
721
00:35:51,986 --> 00:35:55,900
Doing something you don't want to
for money is a whore in my opinion.
722
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,308
A lot of the women
in the adult film industry
723
00:36:08,503 --> 00:36:13,350
completely separate their porn
lives from their personal lives.
724
00:36:13,541 --> 00:36:15,748
They don't mix,
they have different names.
725
00:36:15,943 --> 00:36:22,792
And they turn their porn star
on and off as needed.
726
00:36:22,984 --> 00:36:24,588
What I've chosen to do-
727
00:36:24,786 --> 00:36:26,788
I don't know if I chose it
or it just happened--
728
00:36:26,988 --> 00:36:31,368
is I brought Ginger--
Ginger Lynn Allen-- to the set.
729
00:36:31,559 --> 00:36:34,665
Everything that you see me
do on film is me.
730
00:36:34,862 --> 00:36:36,967
My energy, my bubbles,
my enthusiasm.
731
00:36:37,165 --> 00:36:41,045
That's who I am. There is no
Ginger Lynn and Ginger Allen.
732
00:36:41,235 --> 00:36:42,270
They're the same person.
733
00:36:42,470 --> 00:36:43,881
I have porn star Tourette's.
734
00:36:44,071 --> 00:36:46,278
I say things I shouldn't say
when I shouldn't say them.
735
00:36:46,474 --> 00:36:48,977
I own every choice
that I've ever made.
736
00:36:49,177 --> 00:36:51,783
I'm not ashamed
of anything I've done.
737
00:36:51,979 --> 00:36:54,789
I have lived
an amazing life.
738
00:36:54,982 --> 00:36:56,689
I have absolutely no regrets.
739
00:36:56,884 --> 00:37:01,355
And I like Ginger Lynn
And I like Ginger Allen.
740
00:37:01,556 --> 00:37:03,502
Because they're the same person.
741
00:37:21,075 --> 00:37:23,316
Um, I got in because I wanted
to try something new.
742
00:37:23,511 --> 00:37:25,388
'Cause, you know, I'm just,
like, a college student.
743
00:37:25,546 --> 00:37:27,025
Going to classes, working.
744
00:37:27,215 --> 00:37:29,821
That whole, like, life,
trying to barely live.
745
00:37:30,017 --> 00:37:31,826
And so I was like,
"Yeah, I'm gonna do porn."
746
00:37:32,019 --> 00:37:33,930
"I like sex.
Why not? Fuck it."
747
00:37:34,121 --> 00:37:35,566
So I got into it,
748
00:37:35,756 --> 00:37:37,099
and like, I really
love it so far.
749
00:37:37,258 --> 00:37:40,205
I'm still in school, you know.
My major is business,
750
00:37:40,394 --> 00:37:43,375
so once I graduate I'm gonna
go into real estate.
751
00:37:43,564 --> 00:37:46,943
So if I'm still doing porn then,
like, yeah, whatever, side job.
752
00:37:47,134 --> 00:37:48,613
But like, you know.
753
00:37:48,803 --> 00:37:50,942
That's what I'm, like,
going in for rig ht now.
754
00:38:02,083 --> 00:38:04,029
I'm Johnnie Keyes, man.
Who are you?
755
00:38:11,993 --> 00:38:13,370
Are we In heaven?
756
00:38:13,561 --> 00:38:16,940
Baby, you're in the back seat
of a Cadillac Brougham.
757
00:38:17,131 --> 00:38:19,634
That's as close to heaven
as you're gonna get.
758
00:38:23,971 --> 00:38:27,942
The most happiest
I am on this planet:
759
00:38:28,142 --> 00:38:32,284
hugging my son or granddaughter,
singing jazz,
760
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:35,290
and getting all
the pussy I can get.
761
00:38:35,483 --> 00:38:36,791
That's it.
762
00:38:56,137 --> 00:39:00,085
I was raised
during the '40s and '50s
763
00:39:00,274 --> 00:39:02,151
when this country
was a different place,
764
00:39:04,178 --> 00:39:06,954
when the Italians
used to call me a "jig,"
765
00:39:07,148 --> 00:39:09,856
which is
the guy dancing, right?
766
00:39:10,051 --> 00:39:12,622
I was raised in the ghetto,
where poor people was, right?
767
00:39:12,820 --> 00:39:16,461
You know. Catholic school,
all that.
768
00:39:16,657 --> 00:39:19,103
But I always
wanted to be a singer.
769
00:39:20,294 --> 00:39:22,865
♪ A-one, two,
a-one, two, three, four
770
00:39:23,064 --> 00:39:25,977
I was always singing
on the corner with my boys,
771
00:39:26,167 --> 00:39:29,114
you know, doing copies
of all the hit music,
772
00:39:29,303 --> 00:39:31,044
Little Richard
and all those guys.
773
00:39:31,238 --> 00:39:32,876
♪ I'm the only
other one you see
774
00:39:33,074 --> 00:39:36,146
♪ Gotta give it a chance
to rock her world tonight
775
00:39:36,344 --> 00:39:38,346
♪ Ow-woo!
776
00:39:41,682 --> 00:39:46,062
I was a happy teenager except
when I was at home, all rig ht.
777
00:39:46,253 --> 00:39:50,531
When I turned 16 years old,
I packed my shit and I left,
778
00:39:50,691 --> 00:39:52,329
to get out of that situation.
779
00:39:52,526 --> 00:39:56,338
My dad was alcoholic. He used
to beat women and beat me,
780
00:39:56,530 --> 00:39:58,134
and I had to get out of that.
781
00:40:01,035 --> 00:40:01,911
Hmm.
782
00:40:03,904 --> 00:40:05,349
And...
783
00:40:08,242 --> 00:40:11,587
And it's like,
this motherfucker, my dad,
784
00:40:11,779 --> 00:40:13,918
he fucking didn't
know what love was.
785
00:40:14,081 --> 00:40:16,152
He didn't know
about that, you know?
786
00:40:16,350 --> 00:40:19,695
And I can't blame him
'cause how he was raised.
787
00:40:19,887 --> 00:40:22,891
He was raised during slavery.
I can understand that.
788
00:40:23,090 --> 00:40:25,900
But I couldn't understand
how could he beat his boy?
789
00:40:26,093 --> 00:40:28,198
How could he beat
his fucking son?
790
00:40:28,396 --> 00:40:30,842
And I said, "I gotta go.
I gotta get out of here,"
791
00:40:31,032 --> 00:40:31,942
sol left home.
792
00:40:32,133 --> 00:40:34,374
Geez, can I get
a napkin? Fuck.
793
00:40:37,238 --> 00:40:40,185
You know, every time I talk
about that, it fucks me up.
794
00:40:41,776 --> 00:40:44,017
I had to leave. I got out.
795
00:40:46,447 --> 00:40:48,120
So, I joined the Army,
796
00:40:48,315 --> 00:40:51,023
and I became
the boxing champion,
797
00:40:51,218 --> 00:40:53,027
the lightweight
champion of the world.
798
00:40:53,220 --> 00:40:56,758
The United States Army
sent me to 37 countries.
799
00:40:56,957 --> 00:40:58,959
And all I did was
kick ass and take names
800
00:40:59,126 --> 00:41:00,298
'cause I had a lot of anger.
801
00:41:00,494 --> 00:41:03,737
And so when I would get in
the ring with another opponent,
802
00:41:03,931 --> 00:41:05,968
he had no chance.
803
00:41:16,577 --> 00:41:17,749
When I got
into the "Green Door."
804
00:41:17,945 --> 00:41:18,889
I got in
the "Green Door" like
805
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:20,991
I stumbled over it
backwards falling, right?
806
00:41:21,182 --> 00:41:22,991
"The Green Door,"
when I did that movie.
807
00:41:23,184 --> 00:41:25,221
Now, when the people came
to me with the "Green Door,"
808
00:41:25,419 --> 00:41:26,796
here's what happened.
809
00:41:26,987 --> 00:41:28,967
So we went down there. It was
the Mitchell Brothers theatre
810
00:41:29,123 --> 00:41:30,261
who produced the "Green Door."
811
00:41:30,458 --> 00:41:32,904
I went down there, I did
the audition and everything.
812
00:41:33,094 --> 00:41:35,131
And then when they came
back to me, they said,
813
00:41:35,329 --> 00:41:37,969
"Well, listen man,
we're making an erotic film."
814
00:41:38,165 --> 00:41:39,405
I went, "What do you
mean, erotic?"
815
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:40,670
"A fuck movie."
816
00:41:40,835 --> 00:41:42,075
I go, "Oh, yeah. Okay, cool."
817
00:41:42,269 --> 00:41:44,340
Jim Mitchell, Art Mitchell,
they're upstairs,
818
00:41:44,538 --> 00:41:46,200
over at the O'Farrell Theatre.
They go, "Johnnie",
819
00:41:46,207 --> 00:41:47,686
"you're gonna be
the man behind the door,
820
00:41:47,875 --> 00:41:52,346
and you're gonna have a sex
scene with Marilyn Chambers."
821
00:41:52,513 --> 00:41:54,584
So, I go, "Okay. All right."
822
00:41:54,782 --> 00:41:56,159
So, they bring me
out at the end.
823
00:41:56,350 --> 00:42:00,127
She's 20 years old, looking like a
little fresh white flower, right?
824
00:42:00,321 --> 00:42:01,698
I'm going, "Yeah, right."
825
00:42:01,889 --> 00:42:04,199
Now, come the day
of the shoot, rig ht,
826
00:42:04,391 --> 00:42:06,598
and the Mitchell Brothers had
a whole other thing set up.
827
00:42:06,794 --> 00:42:08,205
I said, "Hold it, man."
828
00:42:08,395 --> 00:42:11,274
Being a thespian myself,
I go, "Hold it.
829
00:42:11,465 --> 00:42:13,945
"Here's what I'm gonna do. Here's
how I'm gonna do the shot.
830
00:42:14,135 --> 00:42:17,116
"I'm gonna have my
African necklace on, rig ht,
831
00:42:17,304 --> 00:42:19,614
"and when I walk
from behind the green door,
832
00:42:19,807 --> 00:42:22,287
"there's women there
and they're trying to touch me,
833
00:42:22,476 --> 00:42:24,387
but I'm not gonna let them
touch me 'cause I'm focused."
834
00:42:24,578 --> 00:42:26,956
And Marilyn Chambers is
lying out there like this.
835
00:42:27,148 --> 00:42:30,186
My eye is focused on that muffin, right?
You know what I'm saying?
836
00:42:30,384 --> 00:42:31,829
So, I'm looking at that.
837
00:42:32,019 --> 00:42:34,021
And now, when we start
doing the sex scene,
838
00:42:34,188 --> 00:42:36,532
I eat her pussy, and then
I start fucking her, right?
839
00:42:36,724 --> 00:42:40,228
But being an athlete,
840
00:42:40,427 --> 00:42:44,068
I fucked Marilyn for 43 minutes
without stopping,
841
00:42:44,231 --> 00:42:48,202
and the last time she came,
she fainted.
842
00:42:48,402 --> 00:42:50,643
And I'm looking
down at this woman,
843
00:42:50,838 --> 00:42:52,840
her eyes rolled in
the back of her head,
844
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:54,212
and I went, "What the hell?"
845
00:42:54,408 --> 00:42:56,319
"I done killed a white woman,
I'm going to jail.
846
00:42:56,510 --> 00:42:59,081
I killed a white woman with
my dick! What the fuck?"
847
00:42:59,246 --> 00:43:00,850
This is what's going on
in my brain
848
00:43:01,048 --> 00:43:02,493
as I'm looking down at her,
849
00:43:02,683 --> 00:43:04,856
and she's like...
"Eh," right?
850
00:43:05,052 --> 00:43:06,656
So, they said, "Okay, Johnnie."
851
00:43:06,854 --> 00:43:09,266
"Get back up off the pussy and
walk back through the green door."
852
00:43:09,456 --> 00:43:11,663
They pick Marilyn up
and bring her over on the side
853
00:43:11,859 --> 00:43:14,430
and put smelling salts in her nose
and shit to bring her around.
854
00:43:14,628 --> 00:43:17,268
I bend down, I go,
"Marilyn, are you all right?"
855
00:43:17,464 --> 00:43:18,909
And she looked at me, she goes,
856
00:43:19,099 --> 00:43:22,171
"Oh, Johnnie, oh..."
She says, "Oh, Johnnie."I go...
857
00:43:22,369 --> 00:43:24,371
I go, "What happened?"
She says, "I don't know."
858
00:43:24,572 --> 00:43:27,576
She says, "I came and then
I went somewhere."
859
00:43:27,775 --> 00:43:29,345
And I go, "Jesus Christ!"
860
00:43:29,543 --> 00:43:33,081
So now, I'm back on Broadway
doing "Jesus Christ Superstar."
861
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:35,089
I get a call.
"Hey, Johnnie, what's up?
862
00:43:35,282 --> 00:43:37,125
"How you doing? Yeah."
from the Mitchell Brothers.
863
00:43:37,318 --> 00:43:39,093
They say, "You know
you're the star of this movie."
864
00:43:39,253 --> 00:43:40,357
I go, "What you talking
about, man?"
865
00:43:40,554 --> 00:43:42,556
I said, "I'm in theater,
I'm doing legitimate theater."
866
00:43:42,756 --> 00:43:44,702
I'm not no porno star."
867
00:43:44,892 --> 00:43:46,303
They go,
"Yes, you are."
868
00:43:46,493 --> 00:43:47,767
I go, "What are
you talking about?"
869
00:43:47,962 --> 00:43:51,205
They go, "We got a $50,000 check
waiting for you",
870
00:43:51,398 --> 00:43:53,935
"and you gotta go
to Cannes Film Festival
871
00:43:54,134 --> 00:43:55,909
because they're
dying to meet you."
872
00:43:56,103 --> 00:43:59,380
And I went, "How much?
50,000? Okay."
873
00:44:00,975 --> 00:44:04,115
So that made the myth of
the black dude with the big dick
874
00:44:04,278 --> 00:44:07,316
in white society,
it made it real.
875
00:44:07,514 --> 00:44:11,621
It made it real for society,
and they went, "What?"
876
00:44:11,819 --> 00:44:12,991
I get off the plane, man,
877
00:44:13,187 --> 00:44:15,724
and women are throwing
their panties and their keys,
878
00:44:15,923 --> 00:44:17,561
and everything. "Oh, Johnnie!"
879
00:44:17,758 --> 00:44:20,796
Our pavilion was
going 24 hours.
880
00:44:20,961 --> 00:44:22,941
Everybody was staying
open like, eight hours.
881
00:44:23,130 --> 00:44:25,576
"The Green Door" was going 2417.
882
00:44:25,766 --> 00:44:29,009
Sol get the award for
the best erotic film ever shot
883
00:44:29,203 --> 00:44:30,409
and all that stuff.
884
00:44:30,604 --> 00:44:33,608
And I come back home
to the United States,
885
00:44:33,807 --> 00:44:35,980
and I figure that's it, right?
886
00:44:36,176 --> 00:44:37,951
I figure, "Okay,
I'm finished with that."
887
00:44:38,145 --> 00:44:39,852
But then all
this stuff happened.
888
00:44:40,047 --> 00:44:41,754
They want me
to come to New York,
889
00:44:41,949 --> 00:44:43,792
they want me
to come to Detroit
890
00:44:43,984 --> 00:44:45,463
to do all these openings
for "the Green Door"
891
00:44:45,653 --> 00:44:47,326
where I'm sitting
and signing autographs.
892
00:44:47,521 --> 00:44:49,626
That whole deal, rig ht?
That was cool.
893
00:44:49,823 --> 00:44:52,269
Then after that me and Marilyn
did two more movies together.
894
00:44:52,459 --> 00:44:54,769
"Inside Marilyn Chambers,"
895
00:44:54,962 --> 00:44:56,532
and her
"Resurrection of Eve."
896
00:44:56,730 --> 00:45:00,303
Later on, when I used to go
to the erotic film awards,
897
00:45:00,501 --> 00:45:02,777
all the brothers would see me,
they'd go like this.
898
00:45:04,538 --> 00:45:07,348
'Cause if it weren't for me,
they wouldn't be there.
899
00:45:08,475 --> 00:45:10,318
I opened the door for them.
900
00:45:11,578 --> 00:45:12,886
Which was cool.
901
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:14,787
At the time I didn't
know what I was doing.
902
00:45:14,982 --> 00:45:16,290
I was just
doing what I was doing.
903
00:45:19,486 --> 00:45:21,989
I was doing this shot
for the Mitchell Brothers
904
00:45:22,189 --> 00:45:23,793
in a theater
down on Market Street,
905
00:45:23,991 --> 00:45:26,494
Market Street
in San Francisco.
906
00:45:26,694 --> 00:45:29,800
I was doing a reenactment
of "the Green Door"
907
00:45:29,997 --> 00:45:31,908
for a live audience.
908
00:45:32,099 --> 00:45:35,239
Meanwhile, they got
seven cops in the audience.
909
00:45:35,436 --> 00:45:37,382
And when I pull out my dick
and go to do it,
910
00:45:37,571 --> 00:45:41,144
they all, cops just came in
and busted me. Took me to jail.
911
00:45:41,342 --> 00:45:43,151
Of course the Mitchells got me
out insto-presto.
912
00:45:43,344 --> 00:45:44,687
But then I went
before the court.
913
00:45:44,878 --> 00:45:48,052
So we had to moved it up
to the California Supreme Court.
914
00:45:48,248 --> 00:45:52,321
Fornication in a public place,
that was the charge.
915
00:45:52,519 --> 00:45:54,430
And I said, "Man, I'm not
sticking my dick in these women."
916
00:45:54,621 --> 00:45:56,726
I'm moving it to the side.
It's a play-act thing."
917
00:45:56,924 --> 00:46:00,064
'Course, you know, those cops,
those motherfuckers.
918
00:46:00,260 --> 00:46:03,036
So, I go before
the Supreme Court.
919
00:46:03,230 --> 00:46:04,903
So, they call me up
and they go,
920
00:46:05,099 --> 00:46:07,511
"Okay, Johnnie, what you
got to say?"
921
00:46:07,701 --> 00:46:11,171
All these old men with their
gray hair and their soft dicks.
922
00:46:11,372 --> 00:46:15,286
So, I go, "Would you rather
for your children"
923
00:46:15,476 --> 00:46:19,288
"to see people cut each other
up, blow each other up,
924
00:46:19,446 --> 00:46:21,357
"kill each other,
925
00:46:21,548 --> 00:46:23,459
"or would you rather
for your children to see
926
00:46:23,650 --> 00:46:26,961
"people hugging and kissing
and making love?
927
00:46:27,154 --> 00:46:30,294
Which would you rather
for your children to see?"
928
00:46:30,491 --> 00:46:35,406
Of course, they can't say.
They gotta say the latter,
929
00:46:35,596 --> 00:46:37,473
the hugging and the kissing.
930
00:46:37,664 --> 00:46:40,975
And my testimony helped change
931
00:46:41,135 --> 00:46:44,446
the sexual mores
of this country.
932
00:46:45,806 --> 00:46:51,381
It made it legal for human
beings to go to a store
933
00:46:51,578 --> 00:46:55,390
and rent
an X-rated movie legally.
934
00:46:55,582 --> 00:46:59,496
And I helped make that thing
a reality in this country.
935
00:46:59,686 --> 00:47:02,292
So, I freed a lot
of dicks and pussies.
936
00:47:02,489 --> 00:47:04,162
That's howl feel
about it. Know what I mean?
937
00:47:04,358 --> 00:47:06,770
Real talk. That's real talk.
938
00:47:09,763 --> 00:47:14,508
Years ago, I did a play on
Broadway called "The Wiz,"
939
00:47:14,701 --> 00:47:17,682
and that's the black production
of "The Wizard of Oz"
940
00:47:17,838 --> 00:47:20,409
if you people don't know.
941
00:47:20,607 --> 00:47:22,314
One night,
942
00:47:22,509 --> 00:47:26,787
the lead singer in the show
had laryngitis.
943
00:47:26,980 --> 00:47:28,618
And the producers came,
944
00:47:28,816 --> 00:47:30,693
"Johnnie, can you
sing 'Over the Rainbow'?"
945
00:47:30,884 --> 00:47:32,454
"Because she can't sing it."
946
00:47:32,653 --> 00:47:34,132
And I had never did
"Over the Rainbow“"
947
00:47:34,321 --> 00:47:35,800
'cause that wasn't
my part of the show.
948
00:47:35,989 --> 00:47:38,128
'Cause I was
the Tin Man, rig ht?
949
00:47:38,325 --> 00:47:40,430
So, I go, "Okay,
yeah, I'll try it."
950
00:47:40,627 --> 00:47:42,368
And so this is
the way I did it.
951
00:47:54,575 --> 00:48:00,048
♪ Somewhere over the rainbow
952
00:48:00,247 --> 00:48:02,625
So, then after that I had a son.
953
00:48:02,816 --> 00:48:05,353
And you know what happens
to men when they have boys.
954
00:48:06,687 --> 00:48:07,392
Right?
955
00:48:08,589 --> 00:48:10,626
This woman ran off with my boy.
956
00:48:10,824 --> 00:48:12,394
See, I had taught school.
Like, I said,
957
00:48:12,593 --> 00:48:14,368
Robin Williams was one
of my students and people.
958
00:48:14,528 --> 00:48:16,804
She says, "You got a PhD.
959
00:48:16,997 --> 00:48:19,477
"Go teach school. You don't need
to be making these fuck movies."
960
00:48:19,666 --> 00:48:22,647
I said, "Let me tell you, when I
met you I was making fuck movies.
961
00:48:22,836 --> 00:48:24,315
"That's the reason
why you came to me,"
962
00:48:24,505 --> 00:48:25,643
"'cause you wanted
that big dick, bitch."
963
00:48:25,839 --> 00:48:27,978
"So don't be telling me
about, you know,"
964
00:48:28,175 --> 00:48:29,848
"you want to change my life?"
965
00:48:30,043 --> 00:48:33,684
"You gonna come into my life now
and try to change me?"
966
00:48:33,881 --> 00:48:36,088
I said, "You don't have
that power, woman."
967
00:48:36,250 --> 00:48:38,560
So, the first thing she did
was snatch my son
968
00:48:38,752 --> 00:48:40,231
and take him away from me,
969
00:48:40,420 --> 00:48:42,195
which broke my heart.
970
00:48:43,790 --> 00:48:47,499
And that's when I went and came
up to Washington to raise my boy.
971
00:48:47,694 --> 00:48:50,436
And I raised my boy,
he became a Globetrotter.
972
00:48:50,631 --> 00:48:53,202
He became one of the top
athletes in Washington.
973
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:55,437
So, I'm proud of that.
974
00:48:55,636 --> 00:48:58,879
I talked to him
last night, right?
975
00:48:59,072 --> 00:49:00,551
He said, "Listen",
976
00:49:00,741 --> 00:49:03,915
"all the motherfuckers gotta go to
the Wikipedia and they see you."
977
00:49:04,111 --> 00:49:05,419
"And they know I'm your son."
978
00:49:05,612 --> 00:49:07,683
He said, "So you don't have
to do it no more, Pops."
979
00:49:07,881 --> 00:49:09,451
He said, "Pops, you don't
have to do that no more."
980
00:49:09,616 --> 00:49:13,723
He said, "'Cause you are
what you are",
981
00:49:13,921 --> 00:49:16,424
"and I am what I am,
982
00:49:16,623 --> 00:49:20,230
"and no matter whatever
comes out in the wash,
983
00:49:20,427 --> 00:49:21,906
we're beautiful."
984
00:49:23,397 --> 00:49:24,705
That's my boy
telling me.
985
00:49:24,898 --> 00:49:28,937
♪ Where trouble melts
like lemon drops
986
00:49:30,804 --> 00:49:32,545
I'm not saying I want
to exit porn.
987
00:49:32,739 --> 00:49:36,277
I love porn for what it is
and how it can develop.
988
00:49:36,476 --> 00:49:38,114
And I'm really into, like,
989
00:49:38,312 --> 00:49:40,656
pushing the boundaries
of future porn,
990
00:49:40,847 --> 00:49:43,088
of, like, I don't know,
technologies and stuff.
991
00:49:43,283 --> 00:49:44,626
I'm really into, like,
virtual reality porn
992
00:49:44,818 --> 00:49:46,456
and stuff like that
at the moment.
993
00:49:46,653 --> 00:49:47,825
So, yeah, I'm happy
with what I'm doing,
994
00:49:47,988 --> 00:49:50,559
but eventually I want
to direct and produce films.
995
00:49:50,757 --> 00:49:52,498
And basically
push the boundaries
996
00:49:52,693 --> 00:49:54,969
of what's out there at
the moment technology-wise.
997
00:49:55,162 --> 00:49:57,768
You know? I'm doing a bit with
360 video work at the moment,
998
00:49:57,965 --> 00:49:59,342
just testing and stuff.
999
00:49:59,533 --> 00:50:01,308
And hopefully, I think,
that's got a lot of prospect.
1000
00:50:01,501 --> 00:50:04,311
But, yeah, porn's
one of them worlds, man.
1001
00:50:04,504 --> 00:50:06,677
It's ever-evolving
and, you know,
1002
00:50:06,873 --> 00:50:08,181
all the new technologies
are always found,
1003
00:50:08,375 --> 00:50:10,184
and some come and some go.
1004
00:50:10,377 --> 00:50:12,357
And I'm just grateful
to be where I am
1005
00:50:12,546 --> 00:50:14,753
and kind of progressing
with it, you know what I mean?
1006
00:50:14,948 --> 00:50:17,758
So, hopefully one day, I'll be
able to direct and produce films
1007
00:50:17,951 --> 00:50:20,591
and find another big dick kid
like me and change his life, man.
1008
00:50:20,787 --> 00:50:22,824
That's all I want to do.
1009
00:50:45,912 --> 00:50:48,324
What's the
difference between a boy toy, a slave,
1010
00:50:48,515 --> 00:50:50,791
and a fuck buddy
and a boyfriend?
1011
00:50:50,984 --> 00:50:54,022
I've actually had to try to explain
this to my shrinks before.
1012
00:50:55,922 --> 00:50:58,732
Slave boys, they enjoy
the fetter side of things.
1013
00:50:58,925 --> 00:51:03,806
Fuck buddies are people that
would be boyfriends
1014
00:51:03,997 --> 00:51:05,738
if they were better.
1015
00:51:06,900 --> 00:51:09,039
And then boyfriends are people
that you have,
1016
00:51:09,236 --> 00:51:14,481
you know, spiritual, sexual,
emotional relationships with,
1017
00:51:14,675 --> 00:51:16,814
and, you know, you're
intimate and vulnerable,
1018
00:51:17,010 --> 00:51:18,546
and all of that
kind of fun stuff.
1019
00:51:18,745 --> 00:51:20,554
And the boy toys are just
supposed to shut the fuck up,
1020
00:51:20,747 --> 00:51:23,523
be cute and pretty and do
as mistress mommy tells them to.
1021
00:51:29,890 --> 00:51:36,671
I always wanted a smooth-running
machine of a business,
1022
00:51:36,863 --> 00:51:38,206
like that was
always my goal.
1023
00:51:38,398 --> 00:51:39,775
I remember, like,
asking people, like,
1024
00:51:39,966 --> 00:51:41,775
"How do you get into porn?
How do you get into porn?"
1025
00:51:41,968 --> 00:51:45,381
And then I ended up
doing a photo shoot
1026
00:51:45,572 --> 00:51:48,382
with High Society
and Cherry Magazine in Jamaica.
1027
00:51:48,575 --> 00:51:51,579
And who was my roommate?
Jenna Jameson was.
1028
00:51:51,778 --> 00:51:54,691
So, she's like, "You need to
move to LA and live with me,
1029
00:51:54,881 --> 00:51:55,951
and I'll hook you up."
1030
00:51:56,149 --> 00:51:58,789
And, you know, I was taking
care of my mother at that time.
1031
00:51:58,985 --> 00:52:00,794
And I told my mom
that we were
1032
00:52:00,987 --> 00:52:03,194
gonna be moving
to Hollywood, Florida.
1033
00:52:03,390 --> 00:52:06,633
So I'm in Jamaica
and I call my mom up,
1034
00:52:06,827 --> 00:52:08,966
and I'm like, "Mom,
we're moving to Hollywood!"
1035
00:52:09,162 --> 00:52:11,608
And she's like, "Yeah, I know."
I'm like, "Scratch."
1036
00:52:11,798 --> 00:52:14,039
"Hollywood, California."
1037
00:52:14,234 --> 00:52:15,269
She's like, "What?"
1038
00:52:15,469 --> 00:52:18,416
I was 23 and I decided
to open up,
1039
00:52:18,605 --> 00:52:21,108
you know,
a 5,000 square-foot studio,
1040
00:52:21,308 --> 00:52:22,810
make it a rental facility.
1041
00:52:23,009 --> 00:52:24,886
And I started
right after that
1042
00:52:25,078 --> 00:52:27,217
my first Web site
and then, you know,
1043
00:52:27,414 --> 00:52:29,052
decided to do a whole
network of them
1044
00:52:29,249 --> 00:52:31,058
and all different
kinds of fetishes.
1045
00:52:31,251 --> 00:52:32,730
It was called
"The Niche Bitch."
1046
00:52:32,919 --> 00:52:34,455
I had the Niche Bitch network.
1047
00:52:34,654 --> 00:52:35,655
And it went from there.
1048
00:52:35,856 --> 00:52:37,927
Then the whole gonzo thing
kind of started
1049
00:52:38,125 --> 00:52:40,628
when you started having, like,
digital cameras.
1050
00:52:40,827 --> 00:52:43,501
And everybody else
used to call it,
1051
00:52:43,697 --> 00:52:48,146
um, the actual civilian
term for it... --
1052
00:52:48,335 --> 00:52:50,246
"civilian" meaning you people-
1053
00:52:50,437 --> 00:52:53,281
...um, non porn stars,
1054
00:52:53,473 --> 00:52:54,679
uh, it was called Pro-Am.
1055
00:52:54,841 --> 00:52:58,084
Which really all it meant was
there was a bunch of idiots
1056
00:52:58,278 --> 00:52:59,586
that used to be porn stars
1057
00:52:59,780 --> 00:53:02,158
that had picked up a camera,
myself included...
1058
00:53:04,117 --> 00:53:05,687
...but mostly it was all guys.
1059
00:53:05,886 --> 00:53:08,765
Because, once again, it was
a very, very
1060
00:53:08,955 --> 00:53:11,765
boys' school business
back then.
1061
00:53:11,958 --> 00:53:15,804
I mean, it was all Italian mafia
that did distribution,
1062
00:53:15,996 --> 00:53:18,533
and it was all Jewish mafia
that did production,
1063
00:53:18,732 --> 00:53:22,475
and women were not allowed
to kind of get in there,
1064
00:53:22,669 --> 00:53:24,342
especially distribution,
you know.
1065
00:53:24,538 --> 00:53:28,384
So, but anyways,
there was a film,
1066
00:53:28,575 --> 00:53:30,486
I think it was called "Erocity,"
1067
00:53:30,677 --> 00:53:36,150
where I was raping the fuck out
of this guy's ass in my dungeon,
1068
00:53:36,349 --> 00:53:39,296
and it was really hilarious
1069
00:53:39,486 --> 00:53:41,056
because I broke
my discipline horse.
1070
00:53:41,254 --> 00:53:45,066
And I just kept pounding that
motherfucker into the ground.
1071
00:53:45,258 --> 00:53:48,364
And it was so funny 'cause the
director afterwards was like,
1072
00:53:48,562 --> 00:53:51,008
"You didn't miss a beat."
1073
00:53:51,198 --> 00:53:55,078
And I'd always have, you know,
these soirée affairs,
1074
00:53:55,268 --> 00:53:58,841
and I'd have a curator with
all these fetish kind of art,
1075
00:53:59,039 --> 00:54:00,916
and I'd have these
custom-made outfits,
1076
00:54:01,107 --> 00:54:02,085
and I'd have an open bar.
1077
00:54:02,275 --> 00:54:05,085
And then, you know, I'd be
double-fisting somebody
1078
00:54:05,278 --> 00:54:07,815
in the dungeon downstairs.
1079
00:54:08,014 --> 00:54:09,755
And, you know, my mom
would be upstairs,
1080
00:54:09,916 --> 00:54:12,021
and she's like,
"I'm so proud of my daughter."
1081
00:54:12,219 --> 00:54:14,825
And they're like, "Do you know
what she's doing downstairs?"
1082
00:54:15,021 --> 00:54:16,591
"I don't care. I'm just
very proud of her."
1083
00:54:16,790 --> 00:54:20,101
I know I'm hypocritical
1084
00:54:20,293 --> 00:54:23,399
'cause I'm a dominatrix and
I beat the shit out of men,
1085
00:54:23,597 --> 00:54:26,840
but I just feel like it's appropriate
doing it to a man but not a woman.
1086
00:54:27,033 --> 00:54:28,907
Call me cray-cray,
it's the feminist in me.
1087
00:54:33,273 --> 00:54:35,116
- Sam?
- Yeah?
1088
00:54:35,308 --> 00:54:38,585
How about you come over here
and sit besides me on this couch
1089
00:54:38,778 --> 00:54:43,955
and show me some of that
Sam Slate private dick?
1090
00:54:44,150 --> 00:54:45,629
Thought you'd never ask me.
1091
00:54:51,591 --> 00:54:53,593
I feel like now
when I watch porn,
1092
00:54:53,793 --> 00:54:55,363
it's like, you know,
fucking her in the ass,
1093
00:54:55,562 --> 00:54:56,870
and choking her
and, you know,
1094
00:54:57,063 --> 00:54:59,873
having as many cocks
as you possibly can,
1095
00:55:00,066 --> 00:55:02,706
and it's all this spit
and put her head in the toilet.
1096
00:55:02,903 --> 00:55:05,816
And I am not down
with that program.
1097
00:55:06,006 --> 00:55:08,247
So when I had
originally retired,
1098
00:55:08,441 --> 00:55:11,718
because all porn stars, we come
back and we...
1099
00:55:11,912 --> 00:55:13,414
That's what we do,
we leave and we come back.
1100
00:55:13,613 --> 00:55:15,286
But when I originally retired,
1101
00:55:15,482 --> 00:55:20,727
I had no problem doing it
because the business that I knew
1102
00:55:20,921 --> 00:55:24,994
where you actually had sex,
like, on beds and desks,
1103
00:55:25,191 --> 00:55:27,797
and, you know, and it was like,
you were having sex.
1104
00:55:27,994 --> 00:55:29,974
It was, like, good.
1105
00:55:30,163 --> 00:55:34,305
Now, oh my God, I need to do
a sitz bath afterwards.
1106
00:55:34,501 --> 00:55:36,174
I mean, they freaking kill you.
1107
00:55:36,369 --> 00:55:39,612
It's like, it's all about
pounding you into the next room,
1108
00:55:39,806 --> 00:55:41,012
and choking you.
1109
00:55:41,207 --> 00:55:42,618
They don't do
that shit to me.
1110
00:55:42,809 --> 00:55:44,948
Because I will turn around
and clock the motherfucker.
1111
00:55:45,145 --> 00:55:47,250
'Cause I am a dominant woman
and I'm older.
1112
00:55:47,447 --> 00:55:49,449
Respect your elders, beyotch.
1113
00:55:53,019 --> 00:55:55,431
I had been retired
for quite a few years
1114
00:55:55,622 --> 00:55:57,465
and a director
contacted me,
1115
00:55:57,657 --> 00:56:00,297
not knowing that I had
been retired.
1116
00:56:00,493 --> 00:56:03,030
And he's like, "Oh, you know,
I was wondering, you know,
1117
00:56:03,229 --> 00:56:05,004
"I had a scene that I
wanted you to be in.
1118
00:56:06,733 --> 00:56:08,940
And I was like, "Okay, well,
what's the name of the film?"
1119
00:56:09,135 --> 00:56:09,875
And he's like, "Golden Girls."
1120
00:56:10,036 --> 00:56:11,879
I'm like,
"You're a fucking jerkoff!"
1121
00:56:17,844 --> 00:56:20,950
Dude calls me back, like,
a year later and he goes,
1122
00:56:21,147 --> 00:56:22,990
"I got your comeback film."
1123
00:56:23,183 --> 00:56:25,993
I'm like, "Get the fuck
outta here.
1124
00:56:26,186 --> 00:56:28,962
Didn't think I'd be hearing
from you again," and...
1125
00:56:32,025 --> 00:56:34,733
Do you want a piece
of me, you little bitch?
1126
00:56:35,395 --> 00:56:36,567
What?
1127
00:56:36,763 --> 00:56:38,868
"Sex and the City,"
I want you to play Samantha.
1128
00:56:39,065 --> 00:56:41,511
I'm like,
"Dude, I like you, man."
1129
00:56:41,701 --> 00:56:45,478
So, I got to do
that particular movie,
1130
00:56:45,672 --> 00:56:47,879
and I had realized
it had been a while
1131
00:56:48,074 --> 00:56:49,917
since I'd been on camera.
1132
00:56:50,076 --> 00:56:53,387
I had maybe done, like, two
anal scenes in my entire life.
1133
00:56:53,580 --> 00:56:54,940
So I said I would
do an anal scene.
1134
00:56:55,048 --> 00:56:56,584
But I'm not a pro at this.
1135
00:56:56,750 --> 00:56:59,993
God bless all of the men
out there that think that,
1136
00:57:00,186 --> 00:57:02,757
you know, there's not a lot of
preparation that goes into this.
1137
00:57:02,956 --> 00:57:06,096
Let me tell you something,
there... there needs to be.
1138
00:57:06,292 --> 00:57:08,272
Oh, you dirty, naughty boy.
1139
00:57:08,428 --> 00:57:11,375
- You wanna fuck my ass?
- Yeah, I wanna fuck that ass.
1140
00:57:11,564 --> 00:57:12,838
Oh, yeah.
1141
00:57:13,033 --> 00:57:15,013
Shove that big cock in my ass.
1142
00:57:15,201 --> 00:57:16,942
It's like, 10:00 a.m.
and you're having, like,
1143
00:57:17,137 --> 00:57:19,777
a 20-inch cock shoved
into your ass, right?
1144
00:57:19,973 --> 00:57:22,852
And, you know, I haven't had
anything in my own booty
1145
00:57:23,043 --> 00:57:24,920
for, like, a long time.
1146
00:57:25,078 --> 00:57:26,955
I'm in the bathroom
talking to a girlfriend of mine.
1147
00:57:27,147 --> 00:57:29,593
"Allison, something
happened to my ass."
1148
00:57:29,783 --> 00:57:31,023
She's like, "What are
you talking about?"
1149
00:57:31,217 --> 00:57:32,628
I'm like, "There's something
wrong with my ass."
1150
00:57:32,819 --> 00:57:34,059
She's like, "What are
you talking about?"
1151
00:57:34,254 --> 00:57:35,756
I'm like, "No, there's
really something, like,
1152
00:57:35,955 --> 00:57:39,095
"like, I think my ass
flipped inside out or- Yeah."
1153
00:57:39,292 --> 00:57:41,238
And she's like,
"What are you talking--"
1154
00:57:41,428 --> 00:57:44,739
I'm like... (whining)
"Something's wrong with my ass."
1155
00:57:44,931 --> 00:57:46,535
And so, sure enough,
1156
00:57:46,733 --> 00:57:48,212
I go back on set, you know,
1157
00:57:48,401 --> 00:57:50,745
and I'm like, got my legs
together and I'm scooting in,
1158
00:57:50,937 --> 00:57:53,440
and they're like,
"Uh, are you okay?"
1159
00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:55,278
And I'm like, "Um...
1160
00:57:56,976 --> 00:57:58,455
Something happened to my ass."
1161
00:57:58,645 --> 00:58:01,148
And they're like,
"Oh, not a big deal.
1162
00:58:01,347 --> 00:58:02,758
You're just rosebudding it."
1163
00:58:02,949 --> 00:58:05,156
I'm like,
"What is rosebudding it?"
1164
00:58:05,351 --> 00:58:08,764
And they're like, "Well,
it's when you have a prolapse,
1165
00:58:08,955 --> 00:58:10,559
"you know, like,
your ass, like, prolapsed.
1166
00:58:10,757 --> 00:58:13,169
"It flips inside out." Right?
1167
00:58:13,359 --> 00:58:16,169
And I'm like,
"Oh, no, this is not good."
1168
00:58:16,362 --> 00:58:17,773
They're like,
"Oh, don't worry about it.
1169
00:58:17,964 --> 00:58:20,342
"There's like a ton of girls
in the industry
1170
00:58:20,533 --> 00:58:22,444
"that have permanent rosebud.
1171
00:58:22,635 --> 00:58:27,277
"There's like a whole prolapse
fetish genre of film."
1172
00:58:27,474 --> 00:58:32,014
And I'm like, "No..."
1173
00:58:32,212 --> 00:58:35,989
The next time I did an anal
scene, I prepared for a month.
1174
00:58:37,350 --> 00:58:39,193
Have you put any restrictions
1175
00:58:39,385 --> 00:58:41,126
on what you're willing
to do on video?
1176
00:58:41,321 --> 00:58:43,028
Um, at this point
in time I have.
1177
00:58:43,223 --> 00:58:48,696
I won't do any anals
or gangbangs,
1178
00:58:48,895 --> 00:58:50,135
and that's pretty much it.
1179
00:58:50,330 --> 00:58:52,173
And the only reason is, is...
1180
00:58:53,867 --> 00:58:57,610
...it's more, like, a business
thing than anything else.
1181
00:58:57,804 --> 00:59:00,683
I figure I have to have
something left
1182
00:59:00,874 --> 00:59:03,013
when... to market
a little bit later on.
1183
00:59:03,209 --> 00:59:07,885
So, you'll probably see me doing it a
little bit later, but not quite yet.
1184
00:59:08,081 --> 00:59:09,617
Gonna make you wait for it.
1185
00:59:09,816 --> 00:59:10,954
Do you do it off camera?
1186
00:59:11,151 --> 00:59:13,529
Oh, definitely. Uh-huh, uh-huh.
Mm-hmm. Definitely.
1187
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:15,063
Well, I don't know
about gangbangs.
1188
00:59:15,221 --> 00:59:17,633
I don't really usually get into
a gang bang situation
1189
00:59:17,824 --> 00:59:19,303
all that often.
1190
00:59:19,492 --> 00:59:21,130
Um, but anal sex,
1191
00:59:21,327 --> 00:59:24,638
I do try get it in
every once in a blue moon.
1192
00:59:26,332 --> 00:59:29,040
I'd been producing
and directing for 15 years,
1193
00:59:29,235 --> 00:59:30,976
and I thought,
"Well, you know what?
1194
00:59:31,171 --> 00:59:33,151
"Why don’t l understand
the theory
1195
00:59:33,339 --> 00:59:36,479
"of what I've actually been
doing for the last 15 years."
1196
00:59:36,676 --> 00:59:38,917
Sol moved to New York
1197
00:59:39,112 --> 00:59:43,254
and I started going to
the New York Film Academy.
1198
00:59:43,449 --> 00:59:47,158
I did two years of producing,
one year of directing.
1199
00:59:47,353 --> 00:59:50,163
It was funny 'cause they would
go on my IMDB page
1200
00:59:50,356 --> 00:59:54,270
and, you know, there's these
19-year-old film school boys,
1201
00:59:54,460 --> 00:59:57,339
and they're like, "Oh my God!
You have 1,000 credits?"
1202
00:59:58,865 --> 01:00:02,176
"Your IMDB page is so big
and massive and huge.
1203
01:00:02,368 --> 01:00:04,211
"Wow!" You know.
1204
01:00:04,404 --> 01:00:07,112
So yeah, when I realized that independent
filmmaking was not going to continue
1205
01:00:07,307 --> 01:00:10,880
making me the rich bitch that
I'm used to being...
1206
01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:15,684
Maybe l should DJ?
1207
01:00:15,882 --> 01:00:17,384
Workaholic slash
rave chick girl.
1208
01:00:17,584 --> 01:00:20,258
Work my ass off, work hard,
play hard kind of thing.
1209
01:00:23,456 --> 01:00:26,096
I was always billed out
as the porn star DJ.
1210
01:00:26,292 --> 01:00:27,771
But then I've also been
in "Playboy" magazine,
1211
01:00:27,961 --> 01:00:29,599
so also "Playboy" DJ.
1212
01:00:29,796 --> 01:00:36,111
And, you know, now l get to just
be a talented scam artist DJ.
1213
01:00:36,302 --> 01:00:42,275
I've not had any issue
with my past being negative.
1214
01:00:42,475 --> 01:00:44,148
It's actually been
the exact opposite.
1215
01:00:44,344 --> 01:00:47,553
I've utilized all
the tools and connections
1216
01:00:47,747 --> 01:00:48,953
and things like that
1217
01:00:49,148 --> 01:00:52,129
in whatever new businesses
that I start now.
1218
01:00:52,318 --> 01:00:54,389
I am very happy that I was
1219
01:00:54,587 --> 01:00:57,158
a part of
the "golden age of porn."
1220
01:00:57,357 --> 01:00:59,803
Very happy.
'Cause, you know what?
1221
01:00:59,993 --> 01:01:01,734
I don't know if I
could do it nowadays.
1222
01:01:01,928 --> 01:01:05,341
I really don't know
if I could.
1223
01:01:15,308 --> 01:01:19,450
Most men involved
in the industry,
1224
01:01:19,646 --> 01:01:21,819
outside of most of the talent,
1225
01:01:21,981 --> 01:01:24,086
I don't think
they're pro-women.
1226
01:01:24,284 --> 01:01:25,262
I don't think they like women.
1227
01:01:25,451 --> 01:01:30,457
I think that they get off on
having power over women.
1228
01:01:30,657 --> 01:01:32,159
But it also creates money,
1229
01:01:32,358 --> 01:01:34,668
so, you know,
that's my opinion.
1230
01:01:34,861 --> 01:01:37,171
I don't think it's...
1231
01:01:37,363 --> 01:01:41,209
It's far from the most honorable
industry that ever existed.
1232
01:01:47,974 --> 01:01:51,615
Long-term, I'm actually
doing my Web site now.
1233
01:01:51,811 --> 01:01:53,688
Eventually, I want
to keep doing it,
1234
01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:56,884
but, I mean, if something
else comes up,
1235
01:01:57,050 --> 01:01:58,290
that'd be cool too, but...
1236
01:01:58,484 --> 01:02:00,555
I want to eventually, like,
hire people to do it for me,
1237
01:02:00,753 --> 01:02:03,290
so, like, I don't have to do it
anymore, you know what I mean?
1238
01:02:03,489 --> 01:02:07,198
Like, have my own site
and pay girls to do stuff.
1239
01:02:07,393 --> 01:02:09,202
Or men.
So that I don't have to, like--
1240
01:02:09,395 --> 01:02:10,897
I can be, like,
a director basically, you know?
1241
01:02:11,097 --> 01:02:12,337
That'd be cool.
1242
01:02:14,567 --> 01:02:15,671
Back up this way now.
1243
01:02:15,868 --> 01:02:17,142
Yeah, nice.
1244
01:02:17,337 --> 01:02:18,839
Can you bring 'em
underneath yourself?
1245
01:02:19,038 --> 01:02:20,415
Yeah? Let's pop those out.
1246
01:02:20,606 --> 01:02:22,313
Beautiful.
Okay, good.
1247
01:02:22,508 --> 01:02:24,419
That's it.
Drop that shoulder.
1248
01:02:24,610 --> 01:02:25,384
Yeah, nice.
1249
01:02:25,578 --> 01:02:28,422
Bring your left shoulder
to me just a little bit.
1250
01:02:28,614 --> 01:02:30,491
Rig ht there.
Yeah, very strong.
1251
01:02:30,683 --> 01:02:32,720
Beautiful.
Rig ht there, good.
1252
01:02:36,022 --> 01:02:37,524
Do you like
this job so far?
1253
01:02:37,724 --> 01:02:40,364
I love this job so far.
1254
01:02:40,560 --> 01:02:42,062
Are there certain aspects
1255
01:02:42,261 --> 01:02:44,434
of this kind of work
that you dislike?
1256
01:02:44,630 --> 01:02:47,577
Yeah, but the likes
outweigh the dislikes.
1257
01:02:54,907 --> 01:02:57,285
What's going on in
the life of Chasey Lain?
1258
01:02:57,477 --> 01:03:00,083
Right now l'm out here working.
1259
01:03:00,279 --> 01:03:01,417
I do two weeks on,
two weeks off.
1260
01:03:01,614 --> 01:03:05,061
And I'm giving some love to
Dennis here at the BunnyRanch.
1261
01:03:05,251 --> 01:03:06,525
There it is.
1262
01:03:06,719 --> 01:03:08,062
And a lot of love
to a lot of fans out there?
1263
01:03:08,254 --> 01:03:12,760
Yeah. Anybody can come, swing on
by and we'll have a good time.
1264
01:03:12,959 --> 01:03:14,370
There you go.
So, are you--
1265
01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:16,369
Are you still doing movies
or are you done with that?
1266
01:03:16,562 --> 01:03:18,269
Mmm, I don't
know if I'm done with it.
1267
01:03:18,464 --> 01:03:19,568
I'm not shooting right now.
1268
01:03:19,766 --> 01:03:20,642
OK
1269
01:03:31,110 --> 01:03:35,991
Off and on, I went to the
BunnyRanch for a minute and worked.
1270
01:03:36,182 --> 01:03:38,492
I don't have
any problem with Dennis.
1271
01:03:38,684 --> 01:03:41,426
It's just that it's not for me,
1272
01:03:41,621 --> 01:03:43,794
'cause it's really
way far out of town,
1273
01:03:43,990 --> 01:03:47,301
and I don't like
the money split there.
1274
01:03:47,493 --> 01:03:49,131
They take half of everything
1275
01:03:49,328 --> 01:03:51,501
and then charge you
for room and board
1276
01:03:51,697 --> 01:03:54,303
and different stuff as well.
1277
01:03:55,468 --> 01:03:59,245
And it gets real slow
during Christmas
1278
01:03:59,439 --> 01:04:01,612
'cause it gets real cold there
and it snows and stuff.
1279
01:04:01,808 --> 01:04:06,120
So sometimes there would be
days, two, three, four days
1280
01:04:06,312 --> 01:04:08,349
and not one person
would walk in the door.
1281
01:04:08,548 --> 01:04:12,928
So you end up having to stay a little
bit longer than you would have
1282
01:04:13,119 --> 01:04:14,928
'cause you're upside down
to the house.
1283
01:04:15,121 --> 01:04:18,534
'Cause every day that you're there,
they charge you room and board
1284
01:04:18,724 --> 01:04:20,169
and this and that.
1285
01:04:20,359 --> 01:04:24,136
The adult business
and the escort business
1286
01:04:24,330 --> 01:04:25,536
are two separate businesses.
1287
01:04:25,731 --> 01:04:27,142
They want nothing
to do with each other.
1288
01:04:27,333 --> 01:04:29,540
In fact, years back,
if you were escorting,
1289
01:04:29,735 --> 01:04:32,545
you were blackballed
in the adult industry.
1290
01:04:32,738 --> 01:04:34,547
They would never
hire you again on set
1291
01:04:34,740 --> 01:04:35,946
if they found out
you were escorting.
1292
01:04:36,142 --> 01:04:39,146
You're supposed to be untouchable
when you're doing film.
1293
01:04:39,345 --> 01:04:41,723
And so that means not
everybody can get to you
1294
01:04:41,914 --> 01:04:43,621
to shoot you or.
1295
01:04:43,816 --> 01:04:46,057
Not everybody could get
to you to have sex with you.
1296
01:04:46,252 --> 01:04:49,563
Otherwise, why would you
buy the video?
1297
01:04:49,755 --> 01:04:51,666
The video has to be the only
place they can get it
1298
01:04:51,858 --> 01:04:53,235
or it won't sell.
1299
01:04:54,327 --> 01:04:57,399
My free time,
I like to spend shopping.
1300
01:04:58,731 --> 01:05:04,044
With my son.
Or, um...
1301
01:05:04,237 --> 01:05:06,410
Relaxing. I like my horses
1302
01:05:06,606 --> 01:05:07,676
and, you know.
1303
01:05:07,874 --> 01:05:10,514
Are you a clothes girl?
Or are you a shoes girl?
1304
01:05:10,710 --> 01:05:12,383
I'm shoes. I'm shoes.
1305
01:05:12,578 --> 01:05:14,489
- You have a big collection?
- I'm a shoes girl.
1306
01:05:14,680 --> 01:05:15,488
I do.
1307
01:05:15,681 --> 01:05:19,094
Huge. 800 or so pair.
1308
01:05:19,285 --> 01:05:21,424
Any particular brand
in particular?
1309
01:05:21,621 --> 01:05:23,225
Not in particular.
1310
01:05:23,422 --> 01:05:25,993
It's every brand. Every pair.
1311
01:05:26,192 --> 01:05:30,607
My contracts progressively got
better throughout the years.
1312
01:05:30,796 --> 01:05:33,436
Dancing progressively
got better too.
1313
01:05:33,633 --> 01:05:37,604
I got a base pay and then
I got two rooms and two tickets.
1314
01:05:37,803 --> 01:05:40,443
'Cause I didn't share a room
with my roadie.
1315
01:05:40,606 --> 01:05:43,587
And I don't take a split
on merchandise either.
1316
01:05:43,776 --> 01:05:46,518
Some of the clubs want to take,
like, half your money.
1317
01:05:48,214 --> 01:05:50,057
Yeah, I had my own toy line,
1318
01:05:50,249 --> 01:05:51,728
and I had my own line
of realistics,
1319
01:05:51,918 --> 01:05:54,455
vibrators, and love gels, so.
1320
01:05:54,654 --> 01:05:58,067
They molded my hands,
my face, my crotch,
1321
01:05:58,257 --> 01:06:00,533
my feet...
1322
01:06:00,726 --> 01:06:02,603
my whole body,
I guess.
1323
01:06:03,829 --> 01:06:07,709
There were 25 products
out on the market.
1324
01:06:07,900 --> 01:06:11,814
I would get checks
every two, three months
1325
01:06:12,004 --> 01:06:14,610
for like, 60,000
1326
01:06:14,807 --> 01:06:16,548
and stuff like that.
1327
01:06:16,742 --> 01:06:20,815
I'm old school. You absolutely
know that gonzo's not my favorite.
1328
01:06:21,013 --> 01:06:23,721
It's something with a
script and a plot.
1329
01:06:23,916 --> 01:06:26,294
But see, most
people would be surprised
1330
01:06:26,485 --> 01:06:28,624
that'd you want
to have a script and...
1331
01:06:29,655 --> 01:06:31,464
It's so much easier
to go by a script,
1332
01:06:31,657 --> 01:06:33,659
and you're going to work
to pretend to do something,
1333
01:06:33,859 --> 01:06:34,735
to be something, to do.
1334
01:06:34,927 --> 01:06:37,737
I mean, it's an entire act,
so why not?
1335
01:06:37,930 --> 01:06:39,568
I mean, yeah, of course
I'd like to have a script,
1336
01:06:39,765 --> 01:06:42,575
something to actually do,
work on.
1337
01:06:42,768 --> 01:06:46,113
Not just... plop up
camera there.
1338
01:06:46,305 --> 01:06:48,945
That takes all the mad
movie magic out of it.
1339
01:06:50,309 --> 01:06:51,982
Yeah, the Internet wasn't around
1340
01:06:52,178 --> 01:06:54,590
when I first got
into the business,
1341
01:06:54,780 --> 01:06:58,785
and then it destroyed
the business pretty much.
1342
01:06:58,985 --> 01:07:02,296
People can just look at the Internet
and get whatever they want for free.
1343
01:07:02,488 --> 01:07:05,526
There's no need to put any kind of
production value into anything.
1344
01:07:05,691 --> 01:07:08,331
There's no need to pay
an extra penny for anything
1345
01:07:08,527 --> 01:07:12,669
when it's being shoved
down your throat for free.
1346
01:07:12,865 --> 01:07:16,438
The same opportunities
are not available now
1347
01:07:16,636 --> 01:07:18,343
that were then.
1348
01:07:18,537 --> 01:07:20,210
I produced
an all-girls line
1349
01:07:20,406 --> 01:07:22,113
for Vivid
called "Chasin' Pink"
1350
01:07:22,308 --> 01:07:24,549
and my budgets were $30,000.
1351
01:07:24,744 --> 01:07:28,214
I mean, that was
considered gonzo.
1352
01:07:28,414 --> 01:07:31,725
My "gonzo,"
my $30,000 "gonzo."
1353
01:07:32,818 --> 01:07:35,662
I mean, have you seen
the stuff that's up there?
1354
01:07:36,689 --> 01:07:38,396
I mean, I uh...
Last time I checked,
1355
01:07:38,591 --> 01:07:43,006
Bang Brothers didn't have
a whole elaborate setup.
1356
01:07:43,195 --> 01:07:45,402
It's different now.
I mean, they shoot something
1357
01:07:45,598 --> 01:07:47,544
in their living room
and throw it on the Internet
1358
01:07:47,733 --> 01:07:48,711
and then now
they're a porn star.
1359
01:07:48,901 --> 01:07:51,507
Well, it's not really
paying your dues.
1360
01:07:52,838 --> 01:07:53,816
But okay.
1361
01:07:54,940 --> 01:07:57,580
What would you like to do
after adult films?
1362
01:07:59,278 --> 01:08:01,417
Is there life
after adult films?
1363
01:08:01,614 --> 01:08:03,719
I don't know.
1364
01:08:03,916 --> 01:08:05,918
I don't think so, but...
1365
01:08:06,118 --> 01:08:09,691
Right. Um, next question.
1366
01:08:09,889 --> 01:08:12,733
How would you judge
the future of porn in general?
1367
01:08:14,560 --> 01:08:18,736
I think the future of porn...
1368
01:08:18,931 --> 01:08:24,609
Well, my Lord, it's the oldest
profession that there is,
1369
01:08:24,804 --> 01:08:27,717
sol pretty much think
it's just gonna get better.
1370
01:08:29,775 --> 01:08:32,085
Yeah, it would take money
to do another scene.
1371
01:08:32,278 --> 01:08:35,782
I mean, the companies now
just aren't really paying.
1372
01:08:35,981 --> 01:08:38,723
If I wanted to shoot
every day, I could.
1373
01:08:38,918 --> 01:08:41,194
I'm just not interested
in shooting every day
1374
01:08:41,387 --> 01:08:47,531
because I don't really like to
do interracial scenes too much.
1375
01:08:47,727 --> 01:08:49,468
I don't want to shoot anal.
1376
01:08:49,662 --> 01:08:51,972
And so, that's mostly
what they're shooting
1377
01:08:52,164 --> 01:08:53,973
and I'm just not interested
in shooting that.
1378
01:08:54,133 --> 01:08:56,613
And so, I don't.
1379
01:08:56,802 --> 01:09:00,750
I mean, I've done adult
for a long, long time.
1380
01:09:00,940 --> 01:09:04,444
I mean, there's other things
that can be done
1381
01:09:04,643 --> 01:09:06,418
that I'm also interested in
1382
01:09:06,612 --> 01:09:08,888
that I would like to do
1383
01:09:09,081 --> 01:09:11,618
since the adult business
doesn't exist anymore.
1384
01:09:11,817 --> 01:09:13,888
Since... Let it go to bed.
1385
01:09:14,086 --> 01:09:15,588
- It's for you.
- Oh!
1386
01:09:17,189 --> 01:09:18,827
- Hello?
- Allison?
1387
01:09:19,024 --> 01:09:20,435
Fame is real.
1388
01:09:20,626 --> 01:09:23,334
Fame is fun.
1389
01:09:23,529 --> 01:09:29,775
I made it so I'd get recognized
when I go to the grocery store.
1390
01:09:32,438 --> 01:09:36,818
Everybody's your
best friend when...
1391
01:09:38,444 --> 01:09:39,684
...when you're a star.
1392
01:09:44,049 --> 01:09:45,494
A person who is paid for sex
1393
01:09:45,684 --> 01:09:49,655
doesn't necessarily have any negative
repercussions from that act.
1394
01:09:49,855 --> 01:09:52,267
And some of the things
people have investigated,
1395
01:09:52,458 --> 01:09:55,337
for example, are things like
post-traumatic stress disorder,
1396
01:09:55,528 --> 01:09:56,871
anxiety disorders.
1397
01:09:57,062 --> 01:09:59,668
And while they may occur more
frequently in that population,
1398
01:09:59,865 --> 01:10:02,345
there's no evidence that
their receiving sex for money
1399
01:10:02,501 --> 01:10:04,947
caused that problem for them.
1400
01:10:05,137 --> 01:10:08,949
Let's say I'm some
unemployed guy or something
1401
01:10:09,141 --> 01:10:11,985
in the middle of the country
living in a trailer park,
1402
01:10:12,178 --> 01:10:15,284
but I have the ware-for-all to
be able to save $100 a week up
1403
01:10:15,481 --> 01:10:16,892
so that on
my birthday next year,
1404
01:10:17,082 --> 01:10:21,155
I can buy my favorite hooker
or porn star for an hour.
1405
01:10:21,353 --> 01:10:25,529
Okay, she just fell off that
pedestal, in my opinion.
1406
01:10:25,724 --> 01:10:29,501
And she became less valuable
to the industry.
1407
01:10:30,563 --> 01:10:32,804
As soon as someone
can have you
1408
01:10:32,998 --> 01:10:35,808
for a price
outside the industry,
1409
01:10:36,001 --> 01:10:37,912
your value to the industry
goes down.
1410
01:10:38,103 --> 01:10:42,916
However, the models use
our industry and our sites
1411
01:10:43,108 --> 01:10:46,089
and the scenes
as advertising
1412
01:10:46,278 --> 01:10:50,385
that they're still
an active adult film star.
1413
01:10:50,583 --> 01:10:53,655
People think that once you
do a porn, it's like over with,
1414
01:10:53,853 --> 01:10:54,888
but it's really not.
1415
01:10:55,087 --> 01:10:57,727
Once you do porn, it actually
opens up a door to...
1416
01:10:57,923 --> 01:11:00,403
I walk around,
and I'm walking
1417
01:11:00,593 --> 01:11:01,731
in the like street
the other day,
1418
01:11:01,927 --> 01:11:04,430
and I was just crossing
the like, road.
1419
01:11:04,630 --> 01:11:06,371
I'm crossing the road
and a guy yells out
1420
01:11:06,565 --> 01:11:09,739
by car, "I fucking hate you,
Donny Sins. You son of a bitch."
1421
01:11:09,935 --> 01:11:10,845
I'm like,
"Who are you?"
1422
01:11:11,036 --> 01:11:13,038
He's like, "I watched you
on Dogfart the other day."
1423
01:11:13,239 --> 01:11:15,549
"You were fucking
this blonde chick that I love
1424
01:11:15,741 --> 01:11:17,118
and I never got
to fuck her before."
1425
01:11:17,309 --> 01:11:20,051
And you're like... It opens up avenues
for you, you know what I mean?
1426
01:11:20,246 --> 01:11:22,556
And then it's funny enough
that he cursed me out
1427
01:11:22,748 --> 01:11:24,455
and then offered me
a fucking ride down the street.
1428
01:11:24,650 --> 01:11:25,754
And I'm like,
"No, I'm fine."
1429
01:11:25,918 --> 01:11:27,864
It's a nice day.
I would rather walk
1430
01:11:42,134 --> 01:11:44,740
Okay, red light's on.
We're recording.
1431
01:11:48,140 --> 01:11:48,880
All right.
1432
01:11:49,074 --> 01:11:51,384
I have no idea
if this is even working.
1433
01:11:51,577 --> 01:11:53,579
I don't know
what the hell I'm doing.
1434
01:11:53,779 --> 01:11:55,781
I just want to make
a tape, okay?
1435
01:11:55,948 --> 01:11:58,952
So, here's me.
1436
01:11:59,151 --> 01:12:00,653
Hope you like it.
1437
01:12:00,853 --> 01:12:04,300
Sit back, relax, and enjoy
the feature presentation.
1438
01:12:04,490 --> 01:12:05,434
Shit.
1439
01:12:05,624 --> 01:12:06,796
This thing on?
1440
01:12:06,992 --> 01:12:08,801
How the hell
am I gonna shut it off?
1441
01:12:12,164 --> 01:12:14,804
And Tabitha, what about you?
You're in porno.
1442
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:16,479
What age did
you start doing porno?
1443
01:12:16,669 --> 01:12:18,808
I started at 25.
I'm 31.
1444
01:12:19,004 --> 01:12:21,006
- You're 31 years old---
- 25 is a late start!
1445
01:12:21,206 --> 01:12:22,310
You're a late starter, yeah.
1446
01:12:22,508 --> 01:12:24,454
The way she started...
I said, "How did you start?"
1447
01:12:24,643 --> 01:12:25,644
She said she was
a bored housewife.
1448
01:12:25,844 --> 01:12:26,754
- Yes.
- Really?
1449
01:12:26,946 --> 01:12:28,254
- You were a married woman.
- Yes, I was.
1450
01:12:28,447 --> 01:12:30,984
And you were sitting at home.
Did you watch a lot of porno at home?
1451
01:12:31,183 --> 01:12:31,854
No, I've only seen--
1452
01:12:32,051 --> 01:12:34,190
I only saw half a porno
my whole life.
1453
01:12:34,353 --> 01:12:35,855
I'd have to
say that Howard Stern
1454
01:12:36,021 --> 01:12:38,695
has been a very big part
of my career.
1455
01:12:38,891 --> 01:12:42,862
He helped me brand
Tabitha Stevens.
1456
01:12:44,129 --> 01:12:45,631
And it's a great opportunity.
1457
01:12:45,831 --> 01:12:49,040
And I have to laugh
because I always hear,
1458
01:12:49,234 --> 01:12:53,046
"Did you have to sleep with Howard to
be on that many times on his show?"
1459
01:12:53,238 --> 01:12:54,876
And no, never.
1460
01:12:55,074 --> 01:12:57,782
I've never, ever
had sex with Howard Stern.
1461
01:12:57,977 --> 01:13:01,117
I've never, ever, ever had sex
with Howard Stern.
1462
01:13:01,313 --> 01:13:04,351
Or anyone from his show,
1463
01:13:04,550 --> 01:13:08,692
unless it was
a Wack Pack member, okay?
1464
01:13:08,887 --> 01:13:09,888
There you have it.
1465
01:13:10,089 --> 01:13:13,002
The truth coming
from my mouth to your ears.
1466
01:13:22,101 --> 01:13:23,671
I like, when
I'm going on a set,
1467
01:13:23,869 --> 01:13:25,075
I like to know
what I'm going to do.
1468
01:13:27,539 --> 01:13:29,314
I like to know this
on the porno set.
1469
01:13:29,508 --> 01:13:32,921
- Mm-hmm.
- I like to know what time I'm going to be finished
1470
01:13:33,112 --> 01:13:34,819
and I like to be
treated with respect.
1471
01:13:35,014 --> 01:13:36,152
That's all there is.
1472
01:13:36,348 --> 01:13:38,885
I mean, that's the one thing.
If you treat me with respect,
1473
01:13:39,084 --> 01:13:41,928
I'll treat you
with 100 times more respect.
1474
01:13:42,121 --> 01:13:44,829
That's all it is.
It's just that.
1475
01:13:45,858 --> 01:13:47,997
In 1993, I got married.
1476
01:13:48,193 --> 01:13:51,834
And I married a guy
who was a super-cool guy.
1477
01:13:52,031 --> 01:13:53,601
Did very well for himself.
1478
01:13:53,799 --> 01:13:56,541
I was a stripper
when I first met him,
1479
01:13:56,735 --> 01:13:58,510
and then I quit obviously.
1480
01:13:58,704 --> 01:13:59,910
And I became a housewife.
1481
01:14:00,105 --> 01:14:01,948
And I was very bored.
1482
01:14:02,141 --> 01:14:05,281
The first video that I shot
was called "Rolling Thunder."
1483
01:14:05,477 --> 01:14:07,115
It was by Vivid Entertainment.
1484
01:14:07,312 --> 01:14:08,916
Racquel Darrian
was on the box cover
1485
01:14:09,114 --> 01:14:11,116
and my scene
was with Bobby Vitale.
1486
01:14:11,316 --> 01:14:14,354
And it was supposed to be a girl,
but it ended up being a boy/girl.
1487
01:14:14,553 --> 01:14:16,123
They switched it
on my last minute.
1488
01:14:16,321 --> 01:14:18,927
So, of course I didn't tell
my husband at the time that.
1489
01:14:19,124 --> 01:14:22,071
But I remember-
this is the funniest thing--
1490
01:14:22,261 --> 01:14:24,741
being nervous
about my dialog.
1491
01:14:24,930 --> 01:14:26,568
The sex I knew l could do,
1492
01:14:26,765 --> 01:14:28,142
'cause I knew I had a...
1493
01:14:28,333 --> 01:14:29,437
You know, I was
real good at that.
1494
01:14:29,635 --> 01:14:30,613
I kinda still am.
1495
01:14:30,803 --> 01:14:32,373
But anyway.
1496
01:14:32,571 --> 01:14:36,542
But my thing was, what if I
don't get my lines right?
1497
01:14:36,742 --> 01:14:37,743
And I told them that.
1498
01:14:37,943 --> 01:14:39,752
And they're like,
"You're gonna be fine."
1499
01:14:39,945 --> 01:14:41,652
After my scene was over,
1500
01:14:41,847 --> 01:14:44,225
well, I was on a desk.
1501
01:14:44,416 --> 01:14:46,157
I was supposed to be
playing a secretary.
1502
01:14:46,351 --> 01:14:47,762
- Imagine that.
- With Bobby Vitale.
1503
01:14:47,953 --> 01:14:48,897
And when I got up,
1504
01:14:49,088 --> 01:14:50,624
there were phone numbers
imprinted on my ass.
1505
01:14:52,024 --> 01:14:53,230
And I couldn't figure out
what it was.
1506
01:14:53,425 --> 01:14:54,563
Like, "Oh, my God,
who did this?"
1507
01:14:54,760 --> 01:14:56,171
But, yeah, so it was
kind of interesting.
1508
01:14:56,361 --> 01:14:57,840
But then I got divorced
right after that.
1509
01:14:58,030 --> 01:15:01,409
I had my mom get all
my stuff out of my house,
1510
01:15:01,600 --> 01:15:03,170
you know, got divorced,
1511
01:15:03,368 --> 01:15:05,439
and that was it.
1512
01:15:05,637 --> 01:15:07,139
Never looked back.
1513
01:15:07,339 --> 01:15:10,843
I just couldn't see myself being an
extension of somebody else's life.
1514
01:15:11,043 --> 01:15:12,784
I mean, he was successful
in what he did
1515
01:15:12,978 --> 01:15:14,184
and he was a great provider,
1516
01:15:14,379 --> 01:15:17,019
and again, I have nothing
against the guy whatsoever.
1517
01:15:17,216 --> 01:15:19,196
But here's the thing.
It's like that was his thing.
1518
01:15:19,384 --> 01:15:21,193
I needed to find my thing
1519
01:15:21,386 --> 01:15:23,593
and it ended up
porn was my thing.
1520
01:15:23,789 --> 01:15:25,826
I just call it
ass-fucking, myself.
1521
01:15:26,024 --> 01:15:27,594
When I got into the business,
1522
01:15:27,793 --> 01:15:30,467
I was told
one really important thing.
1523
01:15:30,662 --> 01:15:33,006
Pace out your career.
1524
01:15:33,198 --> 01:15:36,145
If you want any kind
of longevity,
1525
01:15:36,335 --> 01:15:38,372
don't do anal scenes
right away.
1526
01:15:38,570 --> 01:15:40,015
Give it a couple of years.
1527
01:15:40,205 --> 01:15:42,378
Don't do a double
penetration right away.
1528
01:15:42,574 --> 01:15:44,178
Wait for interracial.
1529
01:15:44,376 --> 01:15:45,446
That was a big thing.
1530
01:15:45,644 --> 01:15:47,021
Okay, well,
I didn't know.
1531
01:15:47,212 --> 01:15:48,213
Here I come
into a business.
1532
01:15:48,413 --> 01:15:50,017
I didn't know anybody
in the porn business.
1533
01:15:50,215 --> 01:15:51,717
So, I paced my career.
1534
01:15:51,917 --> 01:15:53,828
It took me what,
about a year and a half,
1535
01:15:54,019 --> 01:15:55,521
two years to do
my first anal scene?
1536
01:15:55,721 --> 01:15:58,133
Think I've done eight
anal scenes my entire career.
1537
01:15:58,323 --> 01:16:00,200
Maybe eight to ten?
1538
01:16:00,392 --> 01:16:01,837
Double penetration.
1539
01:16:02,027 --> 01:16:04,837
I did that...
three years later?
1540
01:16:05,030 --> 01:16:06,134
So, I took my time with it.
1541
01:16:06,331 --> 01:16:09,312
It took me 17 years before I did
my first interracial scene.
1542
01:16:09,501 --> 01:16:11,242
So, I took my time
1543
01:16:11,436 --> 01:16:13,143
so that I wasn't burnt out
1544
01:16:13,338 --> 01:16:15,079
and people weren't burnt out.
1545
01:16:16,875 --> 01:16:18,183
Are you following me again?
1546
01:16:21,413 --> 01:16:23,654
Told you to stop following me.
1547
01:16:23,849 --> 01:16:25,192
No, no, wait.
1548
01:16:26,218 --> 01:16:27,526
I think nowadays
1549
01:16:27,719 --> 01:16:30,859
that the day
of the contract is over.
1550
01:16:31,056 --> 01:16:32,558
And that was
a big deal for us.
1551
01:16:32,758 --> 01:16:33,998
That was a totally big deal
1552
01:16:34,193 --> 01:16:37,197
because you use that contract
to get on box covers.
1553
01:16:37,396 --> 01:16:38,238
You needed those box covers
1554
01:16:38,430 --> 01:16:39,875
so you could go
on the road dancing.
1555
01:16:40,065 --> 01:16:42,067
You made a lot of money
feature dancing.
1556
01:16:42,267 --> 01:16:44,873
Now, I do know that nowadays
girls still go on the road.
1557
01:16:45,070 --> 01:16:47,448
What happened to being
in those bigger movies
1558
01:16:47,639 --> 01:16:49,516
where you could be
the only girl on the box cover?
1559
01:16:49,708 --> 01:16:53,178
Now everybody's on the box cover
with gaping assholes.
1560
01:16:53,378 --> 01:16:55,221
I don't think that's attractive.
1561
01:16:55,414 --> 01:16:58,759
Back then it was classier
than I think it is now.
1562
01:16:58,951 --> 01:17:02,763
And I think that girls
are doing things nowadays
1563
01:17:02,921 --> 01:17:04,594
that they probably
wouldn't really want to do,
1564
01:17:04,790 --> 01:17:07,771
like the double anals
or the double vag.
1565
01:17:07,926 --> 01:17:09,269
Because they want
to make the money
1566
01:17:09,461 --> 01:17:12,863
and because there's
so much competition.
1567
01:17:13,498 --> 01:17:14,977
But the art of it
1568
01:17:15,167 --> 01:17:17,113
is when you're suckin' it,
you gotta twist it.
1569
01:17:17,302 --> 01:17:18,713
You gotta twist it
at the top.
1570
01:17:18,904 --> 01:17:20,110
Remember that,
Dave, for later.
1571
01:17:20,305 --> 01:17:22,717
Twist, jerk it,
and twist it and lick it
1572
01:17:22,908 --> 01:17:23,909
and go down and up.
1573
01:17:24,109 --> 01:17:25,110
But don't do it in my teeth.
1574
01:17:25,310 --> 01:17:27,290
I mean, they hurt.
These are really good teeth.
1575
01:17:27,479 --> 01:17:28,150
See? They're really good.
1576
01:17:28,347 --> 01:17:30,327
We're all in the sex business.
1577
01:17:30,515 --> 01:17:31,960
And I've heard this said before.
1578
01:17:32,150 --> 01:17:33,322
We're all hoes on this bus
1579
01:17:33,518 --> 01:17:34,997
when it com es to work.
1580
01:17:35,187 --> 01:17:39,226
I've heard that now girls are
getting into the porn business
1581
01:17:39,424 --> 01:17:41,404
so that they can
become escorts.
1582
01:17:41,593 --> 01:17:42,936
That's what's happening now.
1583
01:17:43,128 --> 01:17:45,938
I'm not against it.
Not one bit.
1584
01:17:46,131 --> 01:17:47,974
So, that's why
you really don't see
1585
01:17:48,166 --> 01:17:51,147
the age of
the porn star anymore.
1586
01:17:51,303 --> 01:17:53,977
I think that
there are a very few.
1587
01:17:54,172 --> 01:17:56,812
You still have your Jessica
Drakes of the world.
1588
01:17:57,009 --> 01:17:59,785
But you look at Jessie today, and
I mean, who else after Jessie?
1589
01:17:59,978 --> 01:18:01,514
I don't really know many girls
1590
01:18:01,713 --> 01:18:03,624
that are now the porn star.
1591
01:18:03,815 --> 01:18:07,422
And now l think that's the way
they're doing it, is to...
1592
01:18:07,619 --> 01:18:08,859
And I'm not knocking the girls.
1593
01:18:09,054 --> 01:18:12,035
Hey, if that's how they want to
make their money, that's fine.
1594
01:18:12,224 --> 01:18:13,532
Again, be safe about it.
1595
01:18:13,725 --> 01:18:15,762
But I think they're coming in the
industry to make a little name,
1596
01:18:15,961 --> 01:18:21,035
and then they go out there and make
probably even more money being an escort.
1597
01:18:23,535 --> 01:18:27,278
So have you ever wondered
why I'm so at ease
1598
01:18:27,472 --> 01:18:29,349
with the adult business
1599
01:18:29,541 --> 01:18:32,454
and when you were
doing movies and whatnot?
1600
01:18:32,644 --> 01:18:35,124
I kind of have an idea,
but what is it?
1601
01:18:35,314 --> 01:18:37,794
Well, it's that...
1602
01:18:37,983 --> 01:18:40,554
I understand
the entertainment value.
1603
01:18:40,752 --> 01:18:44,199
I understand that there's rarely
true passion involved.
1604
01:18:44,389 --> 01:18:45,493
And that at the end of the day,
1605
01:18:45,691 --> 01:18:48,797
it's a job
as most jobs are.
1606
01:18:53,732 --> 01:18:55,177
Rolling.
1607
01:18:55,767 --> 01:18:57,405
Cut.
1608
01:18:57,602 --> 01:18:59,411
All right. I'm gonna get a wide
shot and I'll come back there.
1609
01:18:59,604 --> 01:19:00,878
And rolling.
1610
01:19:01,073 --> 01:19:03,212
And the reality of
it is, is it's hard work.
1611
01:19:03,408 --> 01:19:04,318
It's entertainment.
1612
01:19:04,509 --> 01:19:07,388
I knew that you, like anybody
in the adult business
1613
01:19:07,579 --> 01:19:10,924
has to produce work.
1614
01:19:11,116 --> 01:19:13,323
When I decided
to hang it up,
1615
01:19:13,518 --> 01:19:16,431
with my career,
I'd have to say
1616
01:19:16,621 --> 01:19:19,693
it was pretty much
a joint decision about that.
1617
01:19:19,891 --> 01:19:21,529
- Wouldn't we say?
- Absolutely.
1618
01:19:21,727 --> 01:19:22,728
Yeah, it was.
1619
01:19:22,928 --> 01:19:24,930
Again, I respect Gary so much.
1620
01:19:25,130 --> 01:19:27,371
And if Gary ever
had a hard time
1621
01:19:27,566 --> 01:19:29,910
and said, you know, "I really don't
want you to do this anymore."
1622
01:19:30,102 --> 01:19:31,342
Could you please stop?"
I would.
1623
01:19:31,536 --> 01:19:34,346
I just love
and respect my husband.
1624
01:19:34,539 --> 01:19:35,449
And he's the same with me.
1625
01:19:35,640 --> 01:19:37,415
And I just figured, you know,
and it was time.
1626
01:19:37,609 --> 01:19:40,920
It was just time to move on
to bigger and better things.
1627
01:20:04,569 --> 01:20:08,449
Tabitha and I spend
day after day after day
1628
01:20:08,640 --> 01:20:11,143
backpacks on our backs,
trekking into the wilderness,
1629
01:20:11,343 --> 01:20:13,789
and we're shooting amazing,
stunning, beautiful
1630
01:20:13,979 --> 01:20:16,084
fine art photography landscapes.
1631
01:20:16,281 --> 01:20:19,660
And we're producing and Tabitha's
core, absolutely pivotal.
1632
01:20:19,818 --> 01:20:21,161
A lot of the ideas are hers,
1633
01:20:21,353 --> 01:20:23,663
the concepts are hers,
the design.
1634
01:20:23,855 --> 01:20:26,131
And we're producing
and creating these works
1635
01:20:26,324 --> 01:20:29,237
for a fine art
photography gallery,
1636
01:20:29,428 --> 01:20:31,601
- which is named...
- Savage Territory,
1637
01:20:31,797 --> 01:20:33,572
a Gary Orona gallery.
1638
01:20:34,466 --> 01:20:35,410
How do I say it again?
1639
01:20:35,600 --> 01:20:38,137
- "This is where I am."
- "This is where I am." Okay.
1640
01:20:38,336 --> 01:20:39,576
This is where I am now.
1641
01:20:39,771 --> 01:20:42,251
My husband and I own
a fine art photography gallery
1642
01:20:42,441 --> 01:20:46,412
here, in Green River, Utah,
called Savage Territory.
1643
01:20:50,282 --> 01:20:52,626
- Yeah.
- Okay. But I'm just letting you know I'm more fine.
1644
01:20:52,818 --> 01:20:54,422
I'm really fine.
1645
01:21:05,697 --> 01:21:08,268
I actually do think
about a life after porn.
1646
01:21:08,467 --> 01:21:10,276
I want to either...
1647
01:21:10,469 --> 01:21:11,607
I want to go
to college really.
1648
01:21:11,803 --> 01:21:12,975
I was raised Jehovah Witness,
1649
01:21:13,171 --> 01:21:15,549
so I was in a really small
school that my family opened.
1650
01:21:15,740 --> 01:21:17,378
So, I've not really been
familiar with like,
1651
01:21:17,576 --> 01:21:19,385
public schools
or public schooling.
1652
01:21:19,578 --> 01:21:22,616
So, college to me
is gonna be a huge experience.
1653
01:21:22,814 --> 01:21:26,227
So, what I'd like to do is go
and kind of see the colleges
1654
01:21:26,418 --> 01:21:28,455
and see the different like paths
that I can take
1655
01:21:28,653 --> 01:21:30,748
'cause I don't even know really
what I want to do after porn.
1656
01:21:30,755 --> 01:21:32,359
But I don't want to do porn
for the rest of my life.
1657
01:21:32,557 --> 01:21:34,798
I'll probably be in
maybe another year or two
1658
01:21:34,993 --> 01:21:36,802
is the longest
I would say,
1659
01:21:36,995 --> 01:21:40,966
and then go to a school and figure
out kind of what I want to do.
1660
01:21:41,166 --> 01:21:42,406
And maybe I'll work
with children
1661
01:21:42,601 --> 01:21:44,512
or maybe something
like massage therapy
1662
01:21:44,703 --> 01:21:46,205
or physical therapy maybe.
1663
01:21:49,674 --> 01:21:54,487
I do have a plan for getting out
of porn and performing.
1664
01:21:54,679 --> 01:21:55,657
I'm actually a partner
1665
01:21:55,847 --> 01:21:57,849
in the agency
that I'm with right now.
1666
01:21:58,049 --> 01:22:00,552
And we have a production side.
It's called Vuluce.
1667
01:22:00,752 --> 01:22:03,198
And we'll be shooting
models for that
1668
01:22:03,388 --> 01:22:07,234
and doing fan sites
and all that good, fun stuff.
1669
01:22:07,425 --> 01:22:09,530
I want to have
a family one day.
1670
01:22:09,728 --> 01:22:12,106
So, definitely
on the right track
1671
01:22:12,297 --> 01:22:15,107
to succeeding for that.
1672
01:22:15,300 --> 01:22:16,870
So, I'm excited.
1673
01:22:19,638 --> 01:22:22,016
I got this fantasy job
1674
01:22:22,207 --> 01:22:25,780
that, you know, I gotta step back
and kind of analyze this here
1675
01:22:25,977 --> 01:22:27,422
and say, "Wait a minute."
1676
01:22:27,612 --> 01:22:30,593
"You know, I can
choose any woman,
1677
01:22:30,782 --> 01:22:34,423
you know, or l could ask
if I can have a scene with her."
1678
01:22:34,619 --> 01:22:39,625
And to know that I'm gonna
be with most amazing women
1679
01:22:39,824 --> 01:22:43,533
is just kind of...
fantasy come true.
1680
01:22:43,728 --> 01:22:45,730
A lot of people have hang up
about me just doing girl/girls,
1681
01:22:45,931 --> 01:22:48,070
and oh, it's this,
it's fake and it's shit.
1682
01:22:48,266 --> 01:22:49,609
They can kiss my ass
'cause it's not.
1683
01:22:49,801 --> 01:22:51,542
I don't like, you know,
when a lot of the girl/girls
1684
01:22:51,736 --> 01:22:54,376
have the, you know,
touch tongues or this.
1685
01:22:54,573 --> 01:23:00,387
I want a connection where
we can hold tight and sweat
1686
01:23:00,579 --> 01:23:04,254
and... two become as one.
1687
01:23:04,449 --> 01:23:07,726
Life is gonna zoom on by
1688
01:23:07,919 --> 01:23:10,832
and... you know,
1689
01:23:11,022 --> 01:23:15,664
I want to grab and feel things
as much as I can now.
1690
01:23:15,860 --> 01:23:18,340
And I feel here
just recently,
1691
01:23:18,530 --> 01:23:20,168
I want to grab all this stuff.
1692
01:23:20,365 --> 01:23:21,742
And I'm almost in a panic.
1693
01:23:28,840 --> 01:23:32,515
It's been years
since I've been interviewed
1694
01:23:32,711 --> 01:23:34,952
or in front of a camera.
1695
01:23:35,146 --> 01:23:37,592
Ultimately, this whole industry
1696
01:23:37,782 --> 01:23:40,490
is a big, fucking
cop out on life.
1697
01:23:40,685 --> 01:23:42,687
You wake up,
you're 47 years old,
1698
01:23:42,887 --> 01:23:44,662
and you ain't got
a pot to piss in.
1699
01:23:44,856 --> 01:23:47,302
Great. 25 years.
Now what are you gonna do?
1700
01:23:47,492 --> 01:23:50,632
Okay, I... It's...
1701
01:23:50,829 --> 01:23:51,773
Now what?
1702
01:24:19,691 --> 01:24:22,331
I remember being
in my childhood house
1703
01:24:22,527 --> 01:24:25,974
and I'm thumbing through
a local PennySaver,
1704
01:24:26,164 --> 01:24:30,044
and I saw
an ad that said
1705
01:24:30,235 --> 01:24:33,409
"Wanted: figure models."
1706
01:24:33,605 --> 01:24:35,915
It was a test shoot
for Penthouse.
1707
01:24:36,107 --> 01:24:40,487
You know, I'm wearing
my grandmother's silk robe,
1708
01:24:40,679 --> 01:24:43,853
and I put on
some Lee press-on fingernails,
1709
01:24:44,049 --> 01:24:49,021
and we did some makeup
and went to Malibu Beach.
1710
01:24:49,220 --> 01:24:51,222
Test shot
and lo and behold,
1711
01:24:51,423 --> 01:24:55,735
it was the centerfold
for December '87.
1712
01:24:57,195 --> 01:24:59,038
I was pampered.
1713
01:24:59,230 --> 01:25:02,439
I was loved.
I was wanted.
1714
01:25:02,634 --> 01:25:05,740
From there is where
I met Andrew Blake.
1715
01:25:05,937 --> 01:25:09,077
And he asked me if I'd be
interested in triple-X.
1716
01:25:09,274 --> 01:25:10,685
At the time
I was married
1717
01:25:10,875 --> 01:25:13,378
and I said, "Yeah, I could
venture into triple-X"
1718
01:25:13,578 --> 01:25:15,057
as long as it's women only."
1719
01:25:15,246 --> 01:25:18,420
You know, out of courtesy
for my husband at the time.
1720
01:25:18,616 --> 01:25:23,395
And lo and behold,
"Hidden Obsessions."
1721
01:25:23,588 --> 01:25:25,864
Julia Ann and myself were
1722
01:25:26,057 --> 01:25:29,800
at that same time dancing
as Blondage.
1723
01:25:29,994 --> 01:25:32,975
We were on the road and,
you know, I told her
1724
01:25:33,164 --> 01:25:35,610
about what has just happened
1725
01:25:35,800 --> 01:25:38,747
with, you know, being asked
to do "Hidden Obsessions."
1726
01:25:38,937 --> 01:25:41,213
And she came aboard
and then she and I did
1727
01:25:41,406 --> 01:25:44,717
the ice, the infamous
ice dildo scene,
1728
01:25:44,909 --> 01:25:46,786
and that won awards, and...
1729
01:25:49,013 --> 01:25:50,617
we were rockstars.
1730
01:25:56,287 --> 01:25:58,267
♪ Come on over
1731
01:25:58,456 --> 01:26:00,834
♪ oh, honey, ooh, ooh
1732
01:26:01,025 --> 01:26:03,232
♪ Said, "Come on over"
1733
01:26:03,428 --> 01:26:06,307
The bucks were flying in.
1734
01:26:06,498 --> 01:26:09,775
I was just buying cars
for my mom,
1735
01:26:09,968 --> 01:26:12,448
for my sister,
for this person, that person,
1736
01:26:12,637 --> 01:26:14,583
and big houses,
and a lot of stuff.
1737
01:26:14,773 --> 01:26:15,843
I didn't know
what to do with it all.
1738
01:26:16,040 --> 01:26:18,077
It happened so fast.
1739
01:26:18,276 --> 01:26:19,949
I wasn't prepared for it,
1740
01:26:20,145 --> 01:26:22,455
which led me into taxes.
1741
01:26:22,647 --> 01:26:24,649
I--And--
1742
01:26:27,051 --> 01:26:29,463
Porn star Janine Lindemulder
is facing federal criminal rap
1743
01:26:29,654 --> 01:26:32,134
for failing to pay
about $80,000 in income tax.
1744
01:26:32,323 --> 01:26:35,600
Lindemulder was named last
month in a misdemeanor accusing her
1745
01:26:35,794 --> 01:26:37,705
of stiffing the IRS
for taxes due
1746
01:26:37,896 --> 01:26:42,038
on more than $350,000
of income in 2004.
1747
01:26:42,233 --> 01:26:45,874
Went to prison, misdemeanor,
1748
01:26:46,070 --> 01:26:46,878
failure to--
1749
01:26:47,071 --> 01:26:49,950
or willful failure
to pay back taxes.
1750
01:26:50,141 --> 01:26:53,054
That was kind of--
that was the beginning
1751
01:26:53,244 --> 01:26:56,157
of...
1752
01:26:56,347 --> 01:26:58,793
an incredible...
1753
01:26:58,983 --> 01:27:01,862
life-altering nightmare.
1754
01:27:03,254 --> 01:27:06,792
Janine Lindemulder is now
locked in a bitter custody dispute
1755
01:27:06,991 --> 01:27:09,699
with Sandra Bullock
and her husband Jesse James.
1756
01:27:09,894 --> 01:27:11,896
Janine Lindemulder
says she's a good mother
1757
01:27:12,096 --> 01:27:13,700
and her daughter
is her world.
1758
01:27:13,898 --> 01:27:16,378
But Bullock and her husband
Jesse James have accused her
1759
01:27:16,568 --> 01:27:18,707
of everything from drug use
to child neglect
1760
01:27:18,903 --> 01:27:20,405
and are seeking sole custody.
1761
01:27:20,605 --> 01:27:21,913
Now that Lindemulder
has finished
1762
01:27:22,106 --> 01:27:24,416
a six-month prison term
for tax evasion,
1763
01:27:24,609 --> 01:27:25,883
she wants her child back,
1764
01:27:26,077 --> 01:27:28,990
setting the power couple up
for a big fight.
1765
01:27:29,180 --> 01:27:33,094
When the whole Sunny
custody thing is happening...
1766
01:27:35,053 --> 01:27:38,660
my ex had his lawyer,
high-priced lawyer.
1767
01:27:38,857 --> 01:27:41,337
I'm there, no lawyer...
1768
01:27:41,526 --> 01:27:44,939
totally confused
about the situation.
1769
01:27:45,129 --> 01:27:45,834
I'm tatted.
1770
01:27:46,030 --> 01:27:48,874
Judge is looking at
what my line of work is.
1771
01:27:49,067 --> 01:27:50,774
At one point,
she put her papers down,
1772
01:27:50,969 --> 01:27:52,949
looked me square
in the eyes and said,
1773
01:27:53,137 --> 01:27:57,210
you know, "What happened
to you in your childhood"
1774
01:27:57,408 --> 01:27:59,888
to make you
the way you are?"
1775
01:28:00,078 --> 01:28:02,024
And, you know,
she sized me up.
1776
01:28:02,213 --> 01:28:04,887
She saw the tattoos, she sees
that you're a porn star,
1777
01:28:05,083 --> 01:28:07,893
and it was pretty much
a done deal.
1778
01:28:10,622 --> 01:28:13,262
She...
1779
01:28:13,458 --> 01:28:19,966
without even giving me
an opportunity to state my case,
1780
01:28:20,164 --> 01:28:22,269
I lost her.
1781
01:28:23,835 --> 01:28:26,406
Being in the industry,
being heavily tattooed
1782
01:28:26,604 --> 01:28:31,075
definitely changed
the course of my life.
1783
01:28:31,276 --> 01:28:32,380
You know.
1784
01:28:32,577 --> 01:28:36,047
The longer I was away
from my daughter,
1785
01:28:36,247 --> 01:28:39,820
the darker my world became.
1786
01:28:40,018 --> 01:28:44,160
I then found
myself heavily medicated.
1787
01:28:44,355 --> 01:28:48,826
You know, doctors prescribed
anti-depressants,
1788
01:28:49,027 --> 01:28:54,636
anti-anxiety, and then
pain pills came into play.
1789
01:28:54,832 --> 01:28:57,608
Vicodin, absolutely
drug of choice.
1790
01:28:57,802 --> 01:28:59,907
Poppin' those things like candy.
1791
01:29:00,104 --> 01:29:04,075
And just anything
to alleviate
1792
01:29:04,275 --> 01:29:08,917
some of the anguish
that I felt.
1793
01:29:11,349 --> 01:29:15,320
I found myself...
1794
01:29:15,520 --> 01:29:17,431
and this is tough to say,
1795
01:29:17,622 --> 01:29:18,760
but, homeless.
1796
01:29:18,957 --> 01:29:22,530
Homeless in my van
with my cat,
1797
01:29:22,727 --> 01:29:26,038
just trying to make sense
of what's happened.
1798
01:29:26,230 --> 01:29:28,540
Having my daughter
pulled out of my life
1799
01:29:28,700 --> 01:29:30,008
in such a...
1800
01:29:33,471 --> 01:29:34,973
harsh manner.
1801
01:29:35,173 --> 01:29:36,652
You know, there was
no phone calls.
1802
01:29:36,841 --> 01:29:38,115
There was--I couldn't
tell her l love her.
1803
01:29:38,309 --> 01:29:40,721
You know, "I'm sorry,
I don't know what's happening."
1804
01:29:40,912 --> 01:29:41,947
I'm trying to get to you."
1805
01:29:42,146 --> 01:29:44,057
Everything was so confused
1806
01:29:44,248 --> 01:29:48,822
and I felt like
I was at a point of...
1807
01:29:51,222 --> 01:29:52,030
I want to check out.
1808
01:29:52,223 --> 01:29:54,999
I want to check out.
I can't deal.
1809
01:29:55,193 --> 01:29:56,968
I don't have the tools.
1810
01:29:57,161 --> 01:30:00,074
When Janine was going through
what she went through
1811
01:30:00,264 --> 01:30:02,574
with Jesse
and the loss of Sunny,
1812
01:30:02,767 --> 01:30:04,974
I thought I was gonna lose her.
1813
01:30:05,169 --> 01:30:07,979
I thought I was gonna lose her.
1814
01:30:10,108 --> 01:30:11,712
And because she suffered,
1815
01:30:11,909 --> 01:30:15,049
she suffered so,
so deeply.
1816
01:30:15,246 --> 01:30:17,055
You know, I couldn't get
the knife out.
1817
01:30:17,248 --> 01:30:19,057
I couldn't make it right.
1818
01:30:19,250 --> 01:30:22,163
Everything I tried,
it was not enough.
1819
01:30:22,353 --> 01:30:24,026
To replace Sunny...
1820
01:30:26,290 --> 01:30:29,100
was all I wanted to do,
was get her back
1821
01:30:29,293 --> 01:30:30,931
and get her
in her arms again,
1822
01:30:31,129 --> 01:30:33,700
and we just
didn't have the power.
1823
01:30:33,898 --> 01:30:36,504
We didn't have what,
you know, he had
1824
01:30:36,701 --> 01:30:39,944
as far as power and money,
and, you know.
1825
01:30:40,138 --> 01:30:42,084
He's an unworthy father and...
1826
01:30:43,875 --> 01:30:48,085
I finally have the nerve
to call a suicide hotline.
1827
01:30:48,279 --> 01:30:49,758
Call 'em up, I said,
1828
01:30:49,947 --> 01:30:51,722
"Man, I don't know
what's happening here.
1829
01:30:51,916 --> 01:30:53,589
I need to talk
to somebody."
1830
01:30:53,751 --> 01:30:57,790
And funny but sad,
1831
01:30:57,989 --> 01:31:00,731
the woman picks up the phone
and she says,
1832
01:31:00,925 --> 01:31:04,566
"We're really sorry,
but the doctor's not in."
1833
01:31:04,762 --> 01:31:07,368
And I'm like,
"Are you fucking kidding me?
1834
01:31:07,565 --> 01:31:09,772
Okay. All right,
I'll call back."
1835
01:31:09,967 --> 01:31:13,779
So, I'm kind of laughing,
crying at this point
1836
01:31:13,971 --> 01:31:16,781
and right then and there,
I said, "Okay."
1837
01:31:16,974 --> 01:31:19,818
Enough is enough.
I've got to pull this together."
1838
01:31:24,148 --> 01:31:25,149
I went to rehab.
1839
01:31:25,349 --> 01:31:28,330
I was in rehab
for a month.
1840
01:31:28,519 --> 01:31:30,556
And everybody at this point
1841
01:31:30,755 --> 01:31:31,893
thought I was
just out of my mind.
1842
01:31:32,090 --> 01:31:33,797
"Oh, she's a meth head.
Oh, she's on crack."
1843
01:31:33,991 --> 01:31:35,902
No, no, I'm lost.
1844
01:31:36,094 --> 01:31:42,010
I'm fucking heartbroken
beyond words.
1845
01:31:42,166 --> 01:31:44,077
At the same time,
1846
01:31:44,268 --> 01:31:47,772
I'm subjecting myself
to looking on the Internet
1847
01:31:47,972 --> 01:31:50,009
and looking at people
comparing me
1848
01:31:50,208 --> 01:31:53,087
to America's sweetheart,
Sandra Bullock, saying,
1849
01:31:53,277 --> 01:31:55,780
"Well, Janine deserves
to lose her kid.
1850
01:31:55,980 --> 01:31:59,257
She's this cracked out,
you know, porn whore."
1851
01:31:59,450 --> 01:32:04,627
And, you know, "Sandra Bullock is,
you know, the best thing for Sunny."
1852
01:32:04,822 --> 01:32:06,927
And it- that's just
bringing me down.
1853
01:32:07,125 --> 01:32:09,867
And I'm going,
"How am I gonna do this?"
1854
01:32:12,063 --> 01:32:15,272
Do I want my daughter
to do what I've done?
1855
01:32:15,466 --> 01:32:17,036
Fuck no.
1856
01:32:17,201 --> 01:32:18,805
No way.
1857
01:32:37,555 --> 01:32:40,229
I'm still-
I'm in limbo.
1858
01:32:40,424 --> 01:32:44,065
I don't know
what the future holds.
1859
01:32:47,865 --> 01:32:49,344
Do I go back to school?
1860
01:32:49,534 --> 01:32:51,241
Am I gonna be a waitress?
1861
01:32:51,435 --> 01:32:52,038
I don't know.
1862
01:32:52,203 --> 01:32:54,012
It's really kind of a...
1863
01:32:55,072 --> 01:32:57,916
an odd time
of my life right now.
1864
01:32:58,109 --> 01:32:59,986
I'm trying to figure that out
1865
01:33:00,178 --> 01:33:02,852
and, you know,
make my next move.
1866
01:33:05,016 --> 01:33:09,362
I've gotta have
the backbone to do it.
1867
01:33:09,554 --> 01:33:11,227
You know.
1868
01:33:11,422 --> 01:33:13,698
So far...
1869
01:33:13,891 --> 01:33:15,427
I don't.
1870
01:33:15,593 --> 01:33:18,073
I don't have it.
1871
01:33:18,262 --> 01:33:20,242
But it's getting there,
you know.
1872
01:33:20,431 --> 01:33:22,069
It's a work in progress.
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