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Prince Harry may have "stepped
back" from his Royal duties in 2020,

but he and his wife Meghan,
the Duchess of Sussex,

certainly haven't stepped
away from the spotlight.

Just last month, they appeared
in a six-part Netflix documentary

about their relationship and the
decision to leave their Royal lives behind.

But now the 38-year-old Prince
Harry is telling his own story

in a new memoir coming out Tuesday called "Spare",

a nod to his backup role
in the line of succession.

The book is a stunning break with Royal protocol.

It's a deeply personal account

to Prince Harry's decade-long struggle

with grief after the death of
his mother, Princess Diana,

and a revealing look at
his fractured relationships

with his father, King Charles,

his stepmother, the Queen Consort Camilla,

and his brother, Prince
William, the heir to his spare.

You write about a contentious
meeting you had with him in 2021.

You said, "I looked at
Willy, really looked at him",

"maybe for the first time since we were boys."

"I took it all in. His familiar scowl,"

"which had always been his
default in dealings with me,"

"his alarming baldness,
more advanced than my own,"

"his famous resemblance to Mummy,"

"which was fading with time, with age."

It's pretty cutting.

I don't see it as cutting at all.

Erm, you know, my brother and I
love each other. I love him deeply.

There has been a lot of
pain between the two of us,

especially the last six years.

Erm, none of anything that I've written,

anything I've included,

is ever intended to hurt my family.

But it does give a full picture

of the situation as we were growing up.

And also squashes this idea
that somehow my wife was the one

that destroyed the relationship
between these two brothers.

I think so many people around the world

watched you and your brother grow up

and feel like you two were inseparable.

And yet, in reading the book,

you have lived separate lives

from the time your mom died.
-Mm-hm.

Even when you were in the
same school, in high school.

Sibling rivalry.

Your brother told you, "Pretend
we don't know each other."

Yeah, and at the time, it hurt.
I couldn't make sense of it.

I was like, "What do you mean?
We're now at the same school."

"I haven't seen you for ages.
Now we get to hang out together."

He's like, "No, no, no." "When we're
at school, we don't know each other."

And I took that personally. But yes, you're
absolutely right, you hit the nail on the head.

We had a very similar traumatic experience

and then we... we dealt
with it two very different ways.

William tried to talk to you
occasionally about your mom.

-Mm.
-But, as a child, you could not...

You couldn't respond.

For me...

it was never a case of...

"I don't want to talk about it with you."

I just don't know how to talk about it.

I never, ever thought that maybe
talking about it with my brother,

or with anybody else at that
point, would be... therapeutic.

In August 1997,

Harry and William were vacationing
in Scotland with their father.

Harry was 12, William 15.

They were asleep at
Balmoral Castle on August 31st

when Harry was awakened by his father,

who told them his mother
had been in a car crash in Paris.

In the book, you write,

He says, They tried, darling
boy. I'm afraid she didn't make it.

"These phrases remain in my
mind like darts on a board," you say.

-Did... did you cry?
-No.

Never shed a single tear
at that point. I was in shock.

You know, you're 12 years old, sort of...

7-7:30 in the morning, early,

your father comes in, sits on your bed,

puts his hand on your knee and
tells you there's been an accident.

Erm, I...

I couldn't believe.

And you write in the book
that, "Pa didn't hug me."

"He wasn't great at showing
emotions under normal circumstances,"

"but his hand did fall once more on my knee"

"and he said, It's gonna be Ok."

But after that, nothing was Ok for a long time.

No, nothing... nothing was Ok.

Harry says his memories of
the next few days are fragmented,

but he does remember this -

greeting mourners outside
Kensington Palace in London

the day before his mother's funeral.

When you see those videos now, what do you think?

I think it's bizarre,

because I see William and me smiling.

I remember the guilt...

that I felt.

Guilt about...?

The fact that the people that we were meeting...

...were showing more emotion

than...

we were showing.

Maybe more emotion than we even felt.

They were crying, but you weren't.

There was a lot of tears.

I talk about how wet people's hands were.

I couldn't understand it at first.
-Their hands were wet?

Their hands were wet from
wiping their own tears away.

I do remember one of the strangest parts to it

was taking flowers from people

and then placing those
flowers with the rest of them.

As if I was some sort of
middle person for their grief.

And that really stood out for me.

The funeral, on a cool September morning,

was watched by as many as
2.5 billion people around the world.

Perhaps the most indelible image,

Prince Harry and his brother
walking behind their mother's casket

on its way to Westminster Abbey.

What do you remember about that walk?

How quiet it was.

I remember the occasional
wail and screaming of someone.

I remember the horse hooves on the road.

The bridles of the horses,
the gun carriage, the wheels.

The occasional gravel stone underneath your shoe.

But mainly, the silence.

After the service, Princess
Diana's body was brought for burial

to her family's ancestral estate, Althorp.

Once my mother's coffin went into the ground,

that was the first time that I actually cried.

Yeah, there was never another time.

All through your teenage years,

you didn't cry about it?
-No.

You didn't believe she was dead?

For a long... For a long time.

I just refused to accept that she was gone.

Erm, part of, you know,
she would never do this to us,

but also part of, maybe
this is all part of a plan.

I mean, you really believed that maybe

she had just decided to disappear for a time?

For a time, and then that she would
call us and we would go and join her.

How long did you believe that?

Years. Many, many years.

And William and I talked about it as well.

He had similar thoughts.

You write in the book, you say,

"I'd often say to myself
first thing in the morning,"

"Maybe this is the day."

"Maybe this is the day
that she's gonna reappear."

Yeah, hope.

I had huge amounts of hope.

He held onto that hope into adulthood.

When Harry was 20, he asked to
see the police report about the crash

that killed his mother, her
boyfriend, Dodi Al Fayed,

and their driver, Henri Paul,

while they were being pursued
by paparazzi in a Paris tunnel.

The files contained photographs of the crash.

Why did you want to see it?

Mainly proof,

proof that she was in the car,

proof that she was injured,

and proof that the very paparazzi
that chased her into the tunnel

were the ones that were taking photographs

of her lying half dead on
the backseat of the car.

You write, "I hadn't been
aware before this moment..."

Talking about looking at the
pitches of the crash scene.

"..That the last thing Mummy
saw on this earth was a flashbulb."

Yeah.

That's what you saw in the pictures?
-Mm-hm.

Well, they were...

Pictures showed the reflection of...

a group of photographers

taking photographs through the window

and the reflection of the window was... was them.

He only saw some of the crash photos.

His private secretary and adviser

dissuaded him from looking at the rest.

All I saw was the back of my mum's head,

slumped on the backseat.

There were other, more gruesome photographs,

but I will be eternally grateful to him

for denying me...

the ability to inflict pain
on myself by seeing that.

Because that's the kind of stuff
that sticks in your mind forever.

Harry says he believed
his mother might still be alive

until he was 23,

and visited Paris for the first time.

You told your driver,

"I want to go to the tunnel...

where my mom died." Yeah.

I wanted to see whether it was possible,

driving at the speed that Henri Paul was driving,

that you could lose control of a car

and plough into a pillar,

killing almost everybody in that car.

I need to take this journey,

I need to ride the same route.

The same tunnel, the same speed...

All of it... your mother was going.

Because William and I had
already been told the event

was like a bicycle chain.

If you removed one of those chains,

the end result would not have happened.

And the paparazzi chasing was part of that.

But yet everybody...

got away with it.

Harry writes he and his brother
weren't satisfied with the results

of a 2006 investigation

by London's Metropolitan police

concluding Diana's driver,
Henri Paul, had been drinking,

and the crash was a, quote, "tragic accident."

William and I considered reopening the inquest,

because there are so many
gaps and so many holes in it,

erm, which just didn't add
up and didn't make sense.

Would you still like to do that?

I don't even know if it's an option now,

but, no, I think... Pfft.

Would I like to do that now?

It's a hell of a question, Anderson. Erm...

Do you feel you have the
answers that you need to have

about what happened to your mom?

Truth be known, no,

I don't think I do.

And I don't think my brother does either.

I don't think the world does.

Erm, do I need any more than I already know?

No, I don't think it would change much.

Harry now says it wasn't
until he served in combat

with the British Army in Afghanistan

'that he finally found purpose
and a sense of normalcy.'

My military career saved me,

in many regard.

-How so?
-Got me out of the spotlight.

From the... from the UK press.

Erm, I was able to focus on
a purpose larger than myself,

to be wearing the same uniform as everybody else,

to feel normal for the first time in my life,

and accomplish some of the
biggest challenges that I ever had.

I was training to become
an Apache helicopter pilot.

Erm, you dont get a pass for being a prince.

The Apache doesn't give a crap about who you are.

No, there's no Prince Autopilot
button that you can press

and just... takes you away.

I was a really good candidate for the military.

I was a young man in my 20s, erm,

suffering from shock.

But I was now in the front seat of an Apache,

shooting it, flying it,

monitoring four radios simultaneously,

and being there to save and help

anybody that was on the
ground with a radio, screaming,

"We need support, we need air support."

Erm, that was my calling.

I felt... healing from that, weirdly.

And that multitasking, the brain work of that,

that felt good to you?

It felt like I was turning pain into a purpose.

I didn't have the awareness at the time

that I was living my life in adrenaline.

And that was the case from aged 12,

from the moment that I was
told that my mum had cited.

You say, "War didn't begin in Afghanistan",

"it began in August 1997."

Yeah, the war for me, unknowingly,
was when my mum cited.

-Who were you fighting?
-Myself.

I had a huge amount of...

...frustration,

and blame towards the British press

for their part in it.

Even at... And at 12, at that young,

you were feeling that towards the British press?

Yeah, I mean, it was obvious to us as kids

the British press's part in our mother's misery.

I had a lot of anger inside of me

that luckily I never expressed to anybody,

but I resorted to drinking heavily.

Because I wanted to numb the feeling,

or I wanted to distract myself

from whatever I was thinking.

And I would, you know, resort to drugs as well.

Harry admits he smoked pot and used cocaine,

and writes that, in his late 20s,...

he felt hopeless and lost.

There was this weight on my
chest that I felt for so many years

and I was never able to cry.

So I was constantly trying to find a way to cry,

but even sitting on my sofa,

and going over as many memories
as I could muster up about my mum.

And sometimes I'd watch videos online.

-Of your mum?
-Of my mum.

-Hoping to cry?
-Yeah.

And you couldn't? I couldn't.

He sought out help from a therapist
for the first time seven years ago,

and reveals he's also tried
more experimental treatments.

You write in the book about psychedelics,

Ayahuasca, psilocybin mushrooms

You know, I would never recommend
people to do this recreationally,

but doing it with the right people...

if you are suffering from a huge
amount of loss, grief or trauma,

then these things have a
way of working as a medicine.

They showed you something.
What did they show you?

For me, they cleared the
windscreen, the windshield.

The misery of loss.

They cleared away this idea that
I had in my head that my mother,

that I needed to cry to prove
to my mother that I missed her.

When, in fact, all she wanted
was for me to be happy.

Prince Harry says he's found that happiness

with his wife in California,
but as you'll hear in a moment,

he's far from at peace with the Royal family.

Prince Harry's memoir
"Spare", is anything but spare

In its unflattering portrayal
of the Royal family,

especially his stepmother,
Camilla, now the Queen Consort.

She married then Prince Charles in 2005,

though the two had been romantically
involved on and off for decades.

When Princess Diana famously referred to Camilla

as the third person in her marriage,
the British tabloids ran with it,

and Prince Harry has never forgotten.

She was the villain.

She was the third person in the marriage.

She needed to rehabilitate her image.

You and your brother both directly
asked your dad not to marry Camilla.

-Yes.
-Why?

We didn't think it was necessary.

We thought that it was gonna
cause more harm than good.

And that if he was now...

...with his person that surely that's enough.

Why go that far when you
don't necessarily need to?

We wanted him to be happy,

and we saw how happy he was with her.

So, at the time, it was... Ok.

You wrote that she started
campaigning in the British press

to pave the way for a marriage, and you wrote,

"I even wanted Camilla to be
happy. Maybe she'd be less dangerous"

"if she was happy."
-Mm-hmm.

How was she dangerous?

Because of the need for
her to rehabilitate her image.

That made her dangerous?

That made her dangerous
because of the connections

she was forging in the British press.

And there was...

open willingness, on both
sides, to trade information.

And with a family built on hierarchy,

and with her on the way to being Queen Consort,

there was gonna be people, or bodies,

left in the street because of that.

Harry says over the years
he was one of those bodies.

He accuses Camilla, and even his
father, at times, of using him

or William to get better
tabloid coverage for themselves.

Prince Harry writes Camilla, quote,

"sacrificed me on her personal PR altar."

If you are led to believe,
as a member of the family,

that being on the front page,
having positive headlines,

positive stories written about you,

is going to improve your reputation

or increase the chances of you being accepted

as monarch by the British public,
then that's what you're gonna do.

In his book, Harry writes that
when he introduced Meghan Markle

to his family in 2016,

his father initially took a liking to her,

but William was sceptical,
disdainfully referring to Meghan

as an American actress.

Though Harry doesn't specify
who, he says other members

of the Royal family were uneasy as well.

Right from the beginning, before they
even had a chance to get to know her.

And the UK press jumped on that.

And here we are.
-What was that based on, that mistrust?

The fact that she was American,

an actress, divorced, black,
bi-racial with a black mother,

those were just four of the typical stereotypes

that becomes a feeding
frenzy for the British press.

But all those things, within the family,
also were sources of mistrust?

Yes. You know, my family read the tabloids.

You know, it's laid out at breakfast
when everyone comes together.

So, whether you walk around,
saying you believe it or not,

it still leaving an imprint in your mind.

So, if you have thatjudgement
based on a stereotype

right at the beginning, it's
very, very hard to get over that.

And a large part of it, for the family,

but also the British press and
numerous other people is like,

"He's changed."

"She must be a witch."

"He's changed."

Um, as opposed to...

Yeah, I did change, and I'm really glad I changed

because rather than getting drunk,
falling out of clubs, taking drugs,

I've now found the love of my life,

and I now have the opportunity
to start a family with her.

Soon after their relationship became public,

Harry insisted on putting out a statement,

condemning some of the tabloid coverage of Meghan

and what he called, quote...
"The racial undertones of comment pieces."

You write that your dad
and your brother, William,

were furious with you for doing that. Why?

They felt as though it made them look bad.

They felt as though they didn't have a chance

or weren't able to do that for their partners.

What Meghan had to go
through was similar, in some part,

to what Kate and what Camilla went through.

Very different circumstances,

but then you add in the race element,

which was what the British
press jumped on straight away.

I went into this incredibly naive.

I had no idea the British press were so bigoted.

Hell, I was probably bigoted

before the relationship with Meghan.

You think you were bigoted
before the relationship with Meghan?

I don't know.

Put it this way, I didn't see what I now see.

They were married in May 2018, in a ceremony

that seemed to promise a more
modern and inclusive Royal family,

and given the title Duke and Duchess of Sussex.

But behind the scenes, according to Harry,

William's mistrust of Meghan only worsened.

Did you ever try to meet with...

William and Kate, to try to diffuse the tension?

-Yep.
-How did that meeting go?

Um, not particularly well.

In early 2019, Harry writes,

"The rancour between William
and him exploded at Harry's cottage"

"on the grounds of Kensington Palace."

Your arguments with your brother became physical.

Um, it was a build-up of
frustration, I think, on his part.

It was at the time where...

...he was being told certain
things by people within his office.

And at the same time, he was consuming a lot

of the tabloid press, a lot of the stories.

And he had a few issues,

which were based not on reality,

and I was defending my wife,

and he was coming for my wife,

she wasn't there at the time, but...

through the things that he was saying.

I was defending myself, and we
moved from one room into the kitchen,

and his frustrations were
growing and growing and growing.

He was shouting at me, I
was shouting back at him.

It wasn't nice, it wasn't pleasant at all.

And he snapped.

And he pushed me to the floor.

He knocked you over?

He knocked me over.

Um, I landed on the dog bowl.

You cut your back? Yeah, I cut my back.

I didn't know about it at the time,
but, yeah, he apologised afterwards.

It was a pretty nasty experience.

He asked you not to tell
anybody, not to tell Meghan.

Yeah, and I wouldn't have done, I didn't.

Until she saw on my back.
She goes, "What's that?"

I was like, "Uh... what?" I didn't
know what she was talking about.

I looked in the mirror, I was like, "Oh, BLEEP."

Cos I hadn't seen it.

Meghan has said constant
criticism and pressure led her,

in the winter of 2019, to contemplate suicide.

The thing that's terrified me the
most is history repeating itself.

You really feared...
that your wife, Meghan_

Yes, I feared; I feared
a lot that the end result,

the fact that I lost my mum
when I was 12 years old,

could easily happen again to my wife.

In January 2020, Prince Harry and Meghan

announced they intended to, in their words...

They moved to California three months later.

Then there was the headline-grabbing
interview with Oprah Winfrey

and a deal with Netflix,
worth a reported $100 million.

Critics say the Duke and Duchess are cashing in

on their royal titles while they still can.

Why not renounce your titles as Duke and Duchess?

And what difference would that make?

One of the criticisms that you've received

is that, "Ok, fine, you
want to move to California",

"you want to step back
from the institutional role,"

"why be so public?"

"Why reveal conversations
you've had with your father"

"or with your brother?"

You say you tried to do this privately.

And every single time
I've tried to do it privately,

there have been briefings and leakings

and planting of stories against me and my wife.

You know, the family motto is,
"Never complain, never explain."

But it's just a motto.
And it doesn't really hold_

There's a lot of complaining
and a lot of explaining?

-Endless.
-Being done through leaks?

Through leaks.

Prince Harry continues to claim

he would never leak against his family.

So, now,

trying to speak a language
that perhaps they understand,

I will sit here and the speak truth to you

with the words that come out of my mouth

rather than using someone
else, an unnamed source,

to feed in lies or a narrative

to a tabloid media...

that... literally radicalises its readers

to then intentionally cause harm
to my family, my wife, my kids.

Last month, a British tabloid, "The Sun",

published a vicious column about Meghan,

written by a TV host.

He said, "I hate her. At
night, I'm unable to sleep"

"because I lie there, grinding my teeth,"

"dreaming of the day where she is made"

"to walk naked through the
streets of every town in Britain"

"while the crowds chant, 'Shame!"

"and throw lumps of excrement at her."

Did that surprise you?
-Did it surprise me?

No. Is it shocking? Yes.

I mean, thank you for proving our point.

[HE LAUGHS]

Has there been any response from the Palace?

No, and there comes a
point when silence is betrayal.

Harry has been back in the United Kingdom.

He was in London last
September for a charity event

when the Palace announced
his grandmother, the Queen,

was under medical supervision
at Balmoral Castle, in Scotland.

I asked my brother, "What are your plans?"

"How are you and Kate getting up there?"

Um, and then,

a couple of hours later, you know,

all of the family members that lived
within the Windsor and Ascot area

were jumping on a plane together,
a plane with 12, 14, maybe 16 seats.

You were not invited on that plane?

I was not invited.

By the time Harry got to Balmoral on his own,

the Queen was dead.

I walked into the hall and
my aunt was there to greet me,

and... she asked me if I wanted to see her.

I thought about it for about five
seconds thinking, "Is this a good idea?"

And I was like, "You know what? You
can do this." "You need to say goodbye."

So I went upstairs, took my jacket off,

and I walked in and I just
spent some time with her, alone.

-Where was she?
-She was in her bedroom.

I was really happy for her.

Because she'd finished
life, she'd completed life,

and her husband was waiting for her,

and the two of them were buried together.

As they had 25 years earlier, Harry and William

found themselves walking together, but apart.

This time, behind their grandmother's casket.

Do you speak to William now?

Do you text?
-Uh, currently, no.

But I look forward to us
being able to find peace.

-I want...
-How long has it been since you spoke?

-Um, a while.
-Do you speak to your dad?

We haven't spoken for quite a while.

Um...

No, not recently.

Can you see a day when you would return

as a full-time member of the Royal family?

No. I can't see that happening.

In the book, you called
this a full-scale rupture.

Can it be healed?

Yes. The ball is very much in their court.

But, you know, Meghan and I have continued to say

that we will openly apologise
for anything that we did wrong.

Every time we ask that
question, no-one's telling us

the specifics or anything.

There needs to be a constructive conversation.

One that can happen in
private, that doesn't get leaked.

I assume they would say,

Well, how can we trust you? How do we know

that you're not going to reveal
whatever conversations we have

in an interview somewhere?

This all started with them briefing daily

against my wife, with lies, to the point

where my wife and I had to
run away from my country.

It's hard, I think, for anybody
to imagine a family dynamic

that is so 'Game Of Thrones' without dragons.

I don't watch Game Of Thrones,
but there's definitely dragons.

That's, again, the third party,
which is the British press.

So, ultimately,

without the British press as part of this,

we would probably still be a fairly
dysfunctional family, like a lot are,

but at the heart of it, there
is a family. Without question.

Um, and I really look forward to
having that family element back.

I look forward to having a
relationship with my brother,

a relationship with my father,
and other members of my family.

-You want that?
-That's all I've ever asked for.

We reached out to Buckingham Palace for comment.

Its representatives demanded
that, before considering responding,

60 Minutes provide them with our report

prior to airing it tonight,

which is something we never do.

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