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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:02,160 I'm sorry, Nina. I'm sorry. 2 00:00:02,210 --> 00:00:03,950 I gave him my money, Ma. 3 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:06,270 I really... I really wanted it to be right this time. 4 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:08,110 Please just get it over with. Say I'm fired. 5 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:11,190 You're going to just have to wait because what you've done... 6 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:12,830 .. you don't get to just resign. 7 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:14,870 - I can pick up the girls later. - Oh, no, it's fine. 8 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:16,270 It's not like I'm not grateful, 9 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:18,310 I just don't want them getting too attached. 10 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:19,670 Oh, yeah, of course. 11 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:21,430 Shit. 12 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:23,630 Lennie, no-one can say which way life will fall, 13 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:26,790 but there are some decisions that you can control. 14 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:30,070 The end of your life doesn't mean the end of your marriage. 15 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:32,910 I don't want to miss life. 16 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:35,070 I want to marry you, Ronnie. 17 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:36,360 Come here, Ruth. 18 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:40,910 How do we do this? 19 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:41,950 I don't know. 20 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:44,280 I've missed him so much, Ma. 21 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:47,310 It's never too late. 22 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:49,390 Don't forget about New York. 23 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:50,790 I love you, Hannah Defoe. 24 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:52,030 Ball's in your court. 25 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:54,030 Do you love her? 26 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:55,320 Yes. 27 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:06,750 Over the last few months here at LoveCast, 28 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:09,510 I've had the privilege to dig deep 29 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:12,400 and delve into that age-old question... 30 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:17,480 .. can there ever be the good divorce? 31 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:22,350 A laying down of arms and sanguine recognition 32 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:25,590 that not all divorce is failure. 33 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:28,840 Simply, some marriages are finite. 34 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:35,190 And why do we place so much weight on the idea that things must last? 35 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:38,470 Surely what constitutes a successful relationship 36 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:40,870 is knowing when it's over, 37 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:43,400 being brave enough to call time. 38 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:48,750 The desire of two people who have spent their lives together, 39 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:52,550 good lives together, who are not willing to throw it all away 40 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:54,910 for a few months of pain. 41 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:59,350 Isn't that what also constitutes a good divorce? 42 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:03,310 One where memories are left to exist untainted, 43 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:06,830 where children are guided through the storm, 44 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:11,030 where two people can say, "We did it well, 45 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:13,790 "we took care of one another," 46 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:16,160 even if the marriage is no more. 47 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:20,470 I tell my clients, "Be brave, 48 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:21,920 "don't be afraid. 49 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:26,440 "Who knows what you might find on the other side?" 50 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:18,110 You know I'm OK, right? 51 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:20,390 You know you don't need to stay with me? 52 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:21,630 Where else am I going to go? 53 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:22,840 Er, home. 54 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:29,560 - I'm going to a meeting. - Good. 55 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:36,910 Thank you for pushing me on, 56 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:39,150 making me get back out there. 57 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:41,950 - I know what you're doing. - You need to get back out there, too. 58 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:43,360 You need to go home. 59 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:47,190 Maybe meet the family, Rose. 60 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:49,670 What have you got to lose? 61 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:51,230 Huh? 62 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:52,880 The worst's already happened. 63 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:01,080 Remember, James's heart is still beating. 64 00:04:18,420 --> 00:04:20,470 Your 11 o'clock's here. 65 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:22,150 Thanks. 66 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:23,710 Goldie? 67 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:25,430 Back for another round. 68 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:27,040 Boxing promoter. 69 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:29,990 He's half her age. 70 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:31,230 - Wow. - I know. 71 00:04:31,280 --> 00:04:33,950 Well, "look at the diamonds" is all I'm saying. 72 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:37,350 That woman is doing something very right. 73 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:39,110 You're not doing so bad yourself. 74 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:46,920 There she is. 75 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:55,710 So? 76 00:04:57,360 --> 00:04:58,670 - Wow. - Uh-huh. 77 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:01,160 18-carat, white gold, the rock is... 78 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:03,670 Congratulations. 79 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:05,000 Not married yet. 80 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:09,190 Shall we? 81 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:10,630 Oh, yeah. 82 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:12,550 I am ready to sign. 83 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:17,310 OK, so I've tried to protect you as best I can in this prenup, 84 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:21,640 - but Mr Mukherjee is undoubtedly... - Loaded. 85 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:24,150 Yes. 86 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:26,670 - And on his... - Third marriage. 87 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:28,920 - Surprising for someone so... - Short. Yeah. 88 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:32,630 Young. 89 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:36,110 - He's coming up to...? - 29. 90 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:37,400 Mm-hm. 91 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:44,270 And we have put in an infidelity penalty clause, 92 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:47,230 though it should be noted that these are... they're unorthodox 93 00:05:47,280 --> 00:05:49,590 and they're rarely upheld in court. 94 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:51,200 Bitten once, not twice. 95 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:55,800 I don't need his money, and he doesn't need mine. 96 00:05:59,280 --> 00:06:00,630 How's Davey? 97 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:02,070 Heart attack. 98 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:03,390 Poor guy. 99 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:04,480 Wow. 100 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:08,350 Go on, say it. 101 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:10,910 He's too young, you're too old, it'll never last. 102 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:13,320 Yeah, you won't be the first or the last, but... 103 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:16,480 .. he makes me feel fantastic. 104 00:06:18,280 --> 00:06:19,480 You, however... 105 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:23,800 .. never got over him getting caught with his pants down. 106 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:30,040 It's a little bit more complicated than that. 107 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:32,960 Give it time. 108 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:38,030 - Goldie... - A very good family lawyer told me that once. 109 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:39,870 Mm-hm. 110 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:44,030 I was broken after Davey, humiliated. 111 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:46,310 You help me fight to get my life back. 112 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:48,910 You said to me, "Everything you once thought you were, 113 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:51,030 "everything you thought you knew, 114 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:54,070 "that's all in the past," and you were right. 115 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:58,150 So now it is time to get back in the ring 116 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:00,560 and give life a few more rounds. 117 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:04,430 Change is coming. 118 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:07,070 Don't be afraid of the change. 119 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:09,320 Come to my bridal shower. 120 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:12,760 You need to let your hair down for a night. 121 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:21,520 Hannah? 122 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:24,270 Have you seen Hannah? 123 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:25,750 Nathan, wh-what are you doing here? 124 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:27,190 - Hannah! - What's wrong? 125 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:28,840 I think I'm having a heart attack. 126 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:32,350 I've got this... 127 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:34,120 - I've got this, er... - It's fine. 128 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:37,230 - Nathan, slow down. - I've got a pain right here. 129 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:39,110 - Do you want me to call an ambulance? - He's fine. 130 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:40,750 Take a breath. 131 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:44,190 It's like a... a belt across my chest. 132 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:46,840 And I know it's... I should stand up, really. 133 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:49,230 Breathe. 134 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:51,590 You're being ridiculous. It's not a heart attack. 135 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:54,190 John Candy, Luther Vandross, Chairman Mao, 136 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:56,510 I'm in a pretty nonexclusive club. 137 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:58,830 Don't be so dramatic. You're hyperventilating. 138 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:01,600 - It's a panic attack. - Feels like a bloody heart attack. 139 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:04,310 Just sit down. 140 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:05,630 OK. 141 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:07,560 - Take some deep breaths. - OK. 142 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:12,030 Try and relax. 143 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:13,630 I'm really busy. 144 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:15,190 Can I get back to my work now? 145 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:18,800 I talked to Kate. 146 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:22,190 Right. And? 147 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:23,640 It didn't go very well. 148 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:28,990 She does know there's nothing going on between you and me? 149 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:32,350 She does know that we... did not sleep together? 150 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:34,110 Yeah, not exactly. She fled on her bike 151 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:36,070 before I could finish my train of thought. 152 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:38,590 Oh, God, where are you going with this? 153 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:41,360 I may... I may have said that my feelings for you are... 154 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:44,280 .. complex. 155 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:47,910 Be-Because they are complex for you. 156 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:50,670 I have complex feelings for you. Don't you? 157 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:51,830 No. 158 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:53,070 Yes. 159 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:54,510 Yeah. 160 00:08:54,560 --> 00:08:58,030 Like I have complex feelings for many things, like veganism 161 00:08:58,080 --> 00:08:59,870 and disproportionate amount of time 162 00:08:59,920 --> 00:09:02,550 that Tilly's spending on social media. 163 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:04,590 That... That doesn't mean... 164 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:06,040 I have also said that... 165 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:09,320 .. I still... 166 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:12,150 .. love you. 167 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:14,800 Not still. Not still. I always... 168 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:17,960 .. will love you. 169 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:27,120 You still love me. 170 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:37,760 What am I meant to do with that, Nathan? 171 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:40,720 You're having a baby with Kate. 172 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:46,680 If I was to say from today... 173 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:49,840 .. you will never see her again. 174 00:09:52,560 --> 00:09:53,960 How does that make you feel? 175 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:57,590 I don't get your question. 176 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:00,070 If this had never happened, if you'd never met Kate, 177 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:02,870 if she'd never come into your life, 178 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:03,960 one word. 179 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:09,160 Sad. 180 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:12,800 Hmm. 181 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:17,000 Doesn't that answer your question, Nathan? 182 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:22,510 - Hannah. - I have to go. 183 00:10:22,560 --> 00:10:24,110 No, we have to talk. 184 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:25,550 Isn't that what lawyers are for? 185 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:27,670 Incidentally, you want to talk to yours. 186 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:31,190 She counter-fired with a pretty blistering attack. 187 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:32,440 Hannah, wait. 188 00:10:35,680 --> 00:10:37,710 I don't want to do this. 189 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:39,160 I don't want to get divorced. 190 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:41,880 What if we're making a mistake? 191 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:44,520 Hannah. 192 00:10:47,680 --> 00:10:49,350 You're fighting. 193 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:51,470 You're just frightened. 194 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:53,270 I get that. 195 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:56,550 But don't confuse that with believing that you and I... 196 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:58,280 - I'm not. - Nathan. 197 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:07,320 We can't fix this, Nathan. 198 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:51,270 Thank you. 199 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:54,040 Hi there, I've got Mr Stern at reception. 200 00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:58,710 Tell him that I'm not in for the rest of the day. 201 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:00,630 No more calls, all right? 202 00:12:00,680 --> 00:12:02,070 Apologies. 203 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:03,830 The press have been going crazy. 204 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:07,230 But if you can't beat them, join them, as they say. 205 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:08,870 Oh, yes, yes, your son. 206 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:11,990 Yes, I've just got off the phone with Long Lost Family. 207 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:13,390 Could you take that to my office? 208 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:15,430 Don't you just adore Davina McCall? 209 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:17,830 Look, everything has turned out rather well overall, 210 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:20,910 although I won't let him call me mother or grandmother, 211 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:23,790 and rather irritatingly his children find it highly amusing 212 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:25,240 to call me Melania. 213 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:29,110 One son, two grandsons. 214 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:31,150 Instant family. 215 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:34,790 Slightly claustrophobia-inducing but it could be worse. 216 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:38,990 And to be honest, as a unit, they are rather easy on the eye, 217 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:42,710 bar the wife, who could afford to lose a few pounds. 218 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:46,360 But I have to say it has been really marvellous for my profile. 219 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:51,470 Right, now, I think we go back in hard. 220 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:54,110 While they do their little financial tap dance, 221 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:57,510 we fire back on the value of her share in the partnership. 222 00:12:57,560 --> 00:13:00,310 I'd like to see you get at least a quarter. 223 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:01,430 No. 224 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:03,750 No, sorry, no, no, no, you're right, half. 225 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:05,710 Yours was a partnership that enabled her 226 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:07,350 to have such a successful career. 227 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:09,480 I mean no. 228 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:13,760 You're a terrible woman, Melanie. 229 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:18,640 But what else is your lawyer for? 230 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:22,270 Terrible is my raison d'etre. 231 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:25,190 I don't want a quarter of Hannah's shares. 232 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:29,870 I don't want to be talking to you in this Godawful office. 233 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:33,280 You're a terrible, terrible person, Melanie. 234 00:13:34,560 --> 00:13:36,110 You've never asked me what I want. 235 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:39,550 You just tell people what they're going to get, at whatever cost. 236 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:43,270 Let's be frank, sweetheart, if you wanted it any other way... 237 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:44,800 I would have gone to Hannah. 238 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:51,000 Touche. 239 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:21,910 Hi, you're through to the Transplant Family Liaison Office. 240 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:23,910 Alison speaking, how may I help you? 241 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:28,190 Hi. Hi, it's Rose... Cutler. 242 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:30,190 Hi, good to hear from you. 243 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:31,910 - Hi. - How are you? 244 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:33,670 Yeah, yeah, I'm good. 245 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:34,760 Erm... 246 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:38,040 Er, so... 247 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:42,590 Yeah, I just wanted to know whether... 248 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:45,870 .. well, the family, if they might be free tomorrow. 249 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:48,150 The family are very eager to meet you. 250 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:51,030 - Mm. - I'm so glad you've reached out. 251 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:54,350 Let me liaise with them and get back to you. Hmm? 252 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:55,830 OK. 253 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:57,310 Yep. 254 00:14:57,360 --> 00:14:58,990 Same old, same old. 255 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:01,600 Get up, say this time'll be different. 256 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:04,870 It's not. 257 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:06,710 Every time. 258 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:10,440 Every time, same excuse, the same self-deception. 259 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:15,790 Thank you, Lisa. 260 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:24,440 Oh, it is you. 261 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:28,430 I didn't realise you... 262 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:29,670 - See ya. - Bye. 263 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:31,910 I actually prefer the Chelsea meetings. 264 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:33,910 There's a lot more interesting people 265 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:36,230 and the occasional blue blood. 266 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:38,880 But I come here when I don't want to see anyone I know. 267 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:42,280 So, I hear you were shafted. 268 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:45,230 Go on. 269 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:47,230 What? Oh, rip you apart. 270 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:50,710 No, you have to do that yourself, darling. 271 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:54,110 Step four -- take a searching and fearless 272 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:55,880 moral inventory of ourselves. 273 00:15:57,360 --> 00:15:59,710 We're dry drunks, sweetheart. 274 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:02,070 We still do damage, often to others, 275 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:04,720 but most of all to ourselves. 276 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:13,390 I shagged my best friend's boyfriend when I was 14. 277 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:17,070 At 22, husband of a woman I worked for. 278 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:19,110 I can't remember his name. 279 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:20,880 Er, at 25... 280 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:25,070 .. didn't know the wife, didn't care anyway. 281 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:26,560 Lost count after that. 282 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:29,070 Felt nothing. 283 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:30,910 Always felt nothing. 284 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:33,190 Feel nothing. 285 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:36,240 I've stolen from shops, from friends... 286 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:40,350 - .. from my family. - Mm-hm. 287 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:42,800 So I guess you could call recent events calmer. 288 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:46,510 - Haven't had a drink in ten months. - That's great. 289 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:49,390 - Yeah, weirdly, that's been the easiest part. - Mm-hm. 290 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:52,110 Dry drunk, that sounds about right. 291 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:55,270 Stone-cold sober I can still do all of the above. 292 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:56,760 I don't like myself. 293 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:02,110 But worse, I've got this... 294 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:07,520 .. tiny baby, tiny little thing staring back at me with such love... 295 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:11,630 .. because she doesn't know how truly horrible her mother is. 296 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:12,840 Not yet. 297 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:16,750 I can't bear for her ever to see it. 298 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:19,000 Then you'd better put in the work, darling. 299 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:22,640 One day at a time, sweetheart. One day at a time. 300 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:25,190 Go home, 301 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:27,790 hug that little girl, 302 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:29,080 and do better. 303 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:32,360 That's what I tell myself anyway. 304 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:35,600 - Bye-bye. - Bye. 305 00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:58,790 Hannah, I fired Melanie. 306 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:00,990 I-I don't want to do it like this. 307 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:03,190 It's a complete balls-up. 308 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:05,750 With you, Kate... 309 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:07,120 What do I do about Kate? 310 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:10,840 Oh, anyway, bye. 311 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:35,990 Hi. 312 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:37,240 Can I come in? 313 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:50,720 A lot of plants. 314 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:58,830 When we moved into our first flat, 315 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:02,550 Nathan's mother bought us a yucca plant. 316 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:04,630 Died within a month. 317 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:08,790 And for years, Nathan thought it was because of him. 318 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:11,350 I didn't try and dispel the myth. 319 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:13,160 But I killed it. 320 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:17,350 Who knew yuccas don't like coffee grounds? 321 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:18,430 Why are you here? 322 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:19,520 He watered it. 323 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:22,150 Not much, 324 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:23,670 just enough. 325 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:24,990 He does that. 326 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:26,950 Blanket fell off the kids at night, 327 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:28,600 he'd be the one to have to check. 328 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:35,480 He's quietly amazing... 329 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:38,000 .. Nathan. 330 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:41,510 Hard to give up. 331 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:43,200 - Hannah... - I finished your book. 332 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:47,720 Didn't love it. 333 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:50,040 But it packs a punch. 334 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:54,510 What it doesn't say, though, is we can coat it in words, 335 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:57,390 we can find a language and a narrative 336 00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:00,910 to house the inevitable fallout of divorce, 337 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:03,790 but to really, erm... 338 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:07,440 .. capture its quiet brutality... 339 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:10,800 .. that's something that can't be written. 340 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:14,190 That's something you can only feel. 341 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:15,400 You have to feel. 342 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:21,040 Otherwise, how else do you leave a marriage? 343 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:28,240 Anything worth its salt has roots that have grown deep. 344 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:31,550 They have to be 345 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:35,350 to tether you through the elements that inevitably hit along the way. 346 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:36,720 But if it's died... 347 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:41,160 .. it's died. 348 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:50,840 Still doesn't mean it doesn't take a tug to lift it out the ground. 349 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:58,200 But that tug you're feeling, that's not because something is alive... 350 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:00,790 .. it's because it's died, 351 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:04,720 and it needs to come out to let something new grow... 352 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:08,080 .. some of our life in. 353 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:16,520 So, what I'm trying to say is... 354 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:23,160 .. you can do worse than Nathan. 355 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:26,920 You might find you can't do better. 356 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:30,440 Why are you telling me this? 357 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:35,360 Because I love him. 358 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:39,150 And he loves you. 359 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:43,200 And so, by default, I care about what happens to you and him. 360 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:48,520 And my children... 361 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:53,800 .. who will welcome this new person once they get their heads around it. 362 00:21:57,040 --> 00:22:01,240 And I want to be there to support them, you, this. 363 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:07,120 You don't even like me. 364 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:10,240 I don't have to like you. 365 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:13,120 I have to live with you. 366 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:17,040 And you have to live with me. 367 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:21,680 That's the deal. 368 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:25,310 That's the best I can offer. 369 00:22:25,360 --> 00:22:26,920 Quite some terms. 370 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:30,990 I'm a lawyer, 371 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:32,440 what do you expect? 372 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:42,990 It's not neat... 373 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:44,240 .. Nathan and I... 374 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:47,280 .. but we're broken. 375 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:50,670 And we can't stay together broken 376 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:52,840 just because we're frightened of change. 377 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:56,200 You're the change. 378 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:00,240 You're the change. 379 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:11,190 You didn't kill it. 380 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:13,030 The yucca. 381 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:16,070 Coffee grounds, loads of nitrogen. 382 00:23:16,120 --> 00:23:18,120 - Yuccas like nitrogen. - Huh. 383 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:22,080 So just keep blaming him, then? 384 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:25,920 Probably for the best. 385 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:14,320 Look, I'm not going to talk to you, I'm not going to do that shit... 386 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:19,150 .. OK? Cos I'm so... I've been so bloody angry with you, James. 387 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:20,520 Like, really angry. 388 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,360 How could you be so stupid and...? 389 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:34,310 You never heard my message. 390 00:24:34,360 --> 00:24:37,030 You never heard me saying I was sorry 391 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:40,160 and of course I wanted that life with you. 392 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:43,800 So much. 393 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:57,440 But you're not here. 394 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:01,320 You can't hear this, so... 395 00:25:03,360 --> 00:25:04,390 .. where are you? 396 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:06,670 Because, like, I can't I can't feel you any more. 397 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:11,000 I used to feel you, you know, like when you walked in the door. 398 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,790 And now you're dead, and... 399 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:19,310 .. I don't believe in heaven, and... 400 00:25:19,360 --> 00:25:23,680 .. there's no ghosts, so if you could just come back. 401 00:25:25,360 --> 00:25:26,590 Please. 402 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:27,960 Just a second. 403 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,710 Because I need to know that 404 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:35,360 I wasn't wrong... 405 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,680 .. and that you did exist. 406 00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:58,720 That we... we did exist. 407 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:07,670 Rose! 408 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,200 Rose, are you coming home? 409 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:12,750 No, I, erm... 410 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,190 .. I was just passing by. 411 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:16,680 - So... - Please, please. 412 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:19,670 No. Erm... 413 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:21,070 Please, please! 414 00:26:22,120 --> 00:26:22,670 Please. 415 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:23,910 Erm... 416 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:25,390 Please, please. 417 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:27,190 No, it's... I should go. 418 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:28,830 I know I'm a terrible cook, 419 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:31,550 but there's always something worth defrosting in the freezer. 420 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,750 - Er... - Please say yes. 421 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:36,280 Come on, eat with us. 422 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,150 - OK. - Yay! Woohoo! - Come on, girls. 423 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:41,320 Oh, watch yourself. 424 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:49,710 Hello, scamp. I like your dress. 425 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:01,360 Lennie. 426 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:05,630 The boys aren't back until... 427 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:09,000 Actually... it's you I wanted to talk to. 428 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:25,760 I've travelled the world with you, Felix. 429 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,230 Dived in Thailand, 430 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:33,230 climbed volcanoes in Costa Rica, 431 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,750 had some of my best adventures, 432 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:39,560 lived my best life with you. 433 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:46,470 But this is one journey you can't come with me on. 434 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:49,600 - No. - I know what death looks like. 435 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:53,640 Been preparing for a lifetime. 436 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:56,000 And I'll be ready... 437 00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:58,640 .. when it comes. 438 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,920 - Sweet man. - I won't let you do it. 439 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:07,640 I will care for you. 440 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,040 I will be by your side. 441 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,760 I will not let this happen to you alone. 442 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:21,960 I can't. 443 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,110 So I reject your attempts to push me away. 444 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:32,520 I reject your attempts to end us. 445 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:37,110 I reject your desire to leave me. 446 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,160 I reject divorce. 447 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:41,920 I do not... 448 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:44,880 .. I will not leave you. 449 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:48,760 Everyone... 450 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:53,920 .. has to leave someone one day. 451 00:28:57,760 --> 00:28:59,000 Not yet. 452 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:02,360 Not yet. 453 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:53,590 Damn. 454 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:57,310 Like I said, terrible spy. 455 00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,430 You're the one creeping out. 456 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:00,750 Thanks for today. 457 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:02,430 Oh, that's all right. 458 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,640 Who knew smiley faces would go so well with Jeanette's ragu? 459 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,470 Erm, sorry about yesterday, 460 00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:13,630 - about picking up the girls. - Oh. 461 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:15,150 Yeah. 462 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:16,880 Quite the brush off. 463 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,990 But, no, I am sorry because that's the last thing I would want to do, 464 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:25,430 brush you off, brush you in any way. 465 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:27,870 I... We... We very much want... Where am I going with this? 466 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:29,920 - Just stop. - Stop. 467 00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:34,750 I'm going to go. 468 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:36,990 - OK. Right. - Yeah. 469 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:38,320 Maybe... 470 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:43,910 .. you have to let go of the life plan 471 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,480 if you want the life waiting for you. 472 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,560 Oh, no... 473 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:51,750 No, you've got me there. 474 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,790 Is that Tears For Fears or Kurt Cobain? 475 00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:56,470 - Busted. - Is it? 476 00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,750 - I knew it. - It was stuck on the wall of the dentist's yesterday. 477 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:02,080 You are wasted on the church. 478 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,470 If you can love that strongly, 479 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:20,760 you'll love again. 480 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:35,430 You should, erm, try these moves on Jeanette. 481 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:36,960 Might get lucky. 482 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:41,480 One day. 483 00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:58,080 Felix... 484 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:01,750 .. thanks for coming in today. 485 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:05,150 My understanding is that you and Lennie have talked now. 486 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:06,470 Yes. 487 00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,190 We appreciate how difficult this is, 488 00:34:09,240 --> 00:34:13,790 but on our advice, Lennie would like to make an advance decision 489 00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:19,190 to refuse treatment under section 24 of the MCA 2005, 490 00:34:19,240 --> 00:34:21,960 otherwise known as a living will. 491 00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:26,350 My colleague is a private client solicitor 492 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,910 and she's going to talk you through it. 493 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:34,510 But loosely speaking, it's an advance directive 494 00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:36,790 in light of Lennie's illness 495 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:40,200 that will ensure her wishes are carried out. 496 00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:48,750 It is also my understanding that after discussion, alongside that, 497 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:53,470 you are also willing to look at possible continuing 498 00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:58,030 and palliative care with the full support of your family, Lennie. 499 00:34:58,080 --> 00:34:59,310 Yes. 500 00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:03,670 But that if or when this becomes too difficult, 501 00:35:03,720 --> 00:35:06,600 you will proceed with your original plan. 502 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:09,750 Yes. 503 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:11,350 As man and wife. 504 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:12,520 Absolutely. 505 00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:16,520 As man and wife. 506 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:20,790 And beyond that, I'm right to presume 507 00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,790 that you will no longer require our services. 508 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:25,160 - Yes. - Yes. 509 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,310 Then, with your lawyer in attendance, 510 00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:38,350 Angela will now go through what this means for both of you in the future. 511 00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,510 With your consent, we should talk Felix through this document 512 00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:43,630 and your instructions. 513 00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:45,430 - See you Sunday. - Yeah. 514 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:47,590 The boys are really looking forward to seeing you. 515 00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:49,560 Yes, absolutely. Yes. 516 00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:56,360 Thank you. 517 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:01,550 You've got this. 518 00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:02,720 You too. 519 00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:06,720 Hannah. 520 00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,870 So, I was wondering if you would like to grab dinner sometime. 521 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:12,080 Uh-huh. 522 00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,000 I'm not looking to be poached. 523 00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:18,470 That's, erm... 524 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:20,880 That's not what I'm asking. 525 00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,440 - Oh. - Just let me know if the time's ever right. 526 00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:34,510 Mm-hm. 527 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:35,960 See you at four. 528 00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,910 Aren't Melanie and Nathan coming in? 529 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:41,400 Actually... 530 00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:45,150 .. about that... 531 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:01,990 Hi. 532 00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:03,240 Hi. 533 00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:15,310 OK, so we get 18 more months here, and then I sell, 534 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:17,670 and we divide the sale proceeds. 535 00:37:17,720 --> 00:37:18,760 Yeah. 536 00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:22,870 I get first pick on paintings, 537 00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,480 - you get books. - Right. Agreed. 538 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:28,470 Now, health cover, 539 00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:30,430 you obviously have another life to think of, 540 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:36,030 so I'm happy to transfer the policy so that it covers both Kate 541 00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:37,950 and the new baby. 542 00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:39,280 Right. 543 00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:45,110 You've got to start thinking about these things. 544 00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:46,360 Yeah. 545 00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,830 - Now, holidays, I'm happy to split these. - Yeah. 546 00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:55,790 So, if I could take Christmas Day this year. 547 00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:59,400 Yeah, like I said, box set and Five Guys. 548 00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,350 OK, weekends. You get every other weekend, 549 00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:11,230 they spend the weekdays here, bar Wednesday, you get them Wednesday, 550 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:13,640 either at yours or here. 551 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:17,440 And finally... 552 00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:20,310 - .. wills. - Urgh. 553 00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:23,320 - We'll need to get them redrawn. - I'm not going anywhere yet. 554 00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:27,350 You can't say that. 555 00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:29,000 I'm not going anywhere, Hannah. 556 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:33,600 Yes, you are. 557 00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:44,320 Every night, when I go to bed... 558 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,430 .. you're not in it. 559 00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:58,190 Every wall, every photo, every... inch of my life 560 00:38:58,240 --> 00:38:59,830 I've shared with you, Nathan. 561 00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:01,360 So for you not to be there... 562 00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,240 .. it's going to take... time. 563 00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:13,920 But slowly I'll do it. 564 00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:17,800 We'll fill the space with other things. 565 00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:21,240 Other people. 566 00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,040 Because it's time, Nathan. 567 00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:36,600 It's time. 568 00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:46,240 I love you, Miss Defoe. 569 00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:51,800 Always, Mr Stern. 570 00:39:56,720 --> 00:39:58,230 We're home. 571 00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:00,790 Oh, Vinnie, not in the house. 572 00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:02,230 Sorry. 573 00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:03,430 Are you done? 574 00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:05,630 Mm-hm. 575 00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:06,880 Hey. 576 00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:11,680 Vinnie, come here. 577 00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:18,680 Gael, come. 578 00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:26,470 I'm going to go outside. 579 00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:28,870 - I blame you for this. - What? He made me. 580 00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:30,070 Is that a long board? 581 00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:31,870 - Yeah. - Right, come on, then, show me. 582 00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:33,420 Are you sure you want to do this? 583 00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:35,720 All right? 584 00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:40,320 All right. 585 00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,070 I, erm... 586 00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:45,720 I'm not going to do law. 587 00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:49,550 OK. 588 00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:51,950 I'm going to do Spanish... 589 00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:53,240 - .. in Argentina. - Mm-hm. 590 00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,190 With Gael? 591 00:40:57,240 --> 00:40:58,470 Yeah. 592 00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:00,350 I'm going to go back with Gael. 593 00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,590 But, erm, just as we are. 594 00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:05,310 Just as... 595 00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,950 .. it is until we're older. 596 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,150 What, like, really old, like me and your dad? 597 00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:11,590 No, not that old. 598 00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:14,040 But not now. 599 00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:18,000 Just as we are, you know, but no wedding. 600 00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:20,800 Yeah. 601 00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:23,720 - That sounds like a plan. - Mm. 602 00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:28,730 - I was actually thinking maybe... - Yeah, I could tell Dad. 603 00:41:28,780 --> 00:41:30,470 - Yeah. - No. 604 00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:32,520 I'm leaving that in your capable hands. 605 00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:40,830 Am I too early? 606 00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:42,830 No, perfect time. 607 00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,520 I can't cook, and rumour has it you can. 608 00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:49,070 Plant. 609 00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:53,080 Ah. Highly unlikely to survive, but, erm... 610 00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:56,670 .. thank you. 611 00:41:56,720 --> 00:41:58,070 They're outside. 612 00:41:58,120 --> 00:41:59,160 Thank you. 613 00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:08,870 Mm. 614 00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:11,750 - Give it another go. - See, I... I mean, I could do that. 615 00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:13,070 This? Yeah, definitely. 616 00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:14,150 Come on, Dad. 617 00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:16,350 - All right, don't let me go this time, OK? - That's fine. 618 00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:18,870 You're letting me go. Yes, it's moving! 619 00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:20,670 - That is... - That was good. 620 00:42:20,720 --> 00:42:22,390 .. much harder than I... 621 00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:23,790 Hi. 622 00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:25,270 Hey, what...? 623 00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:26,640 Hannah invited me. 624 00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:31,230 Hi. 625 00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:33,960 - You're just going to fall again. - No, I'm not. 626 00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:39,040 You have a go, then. 627 00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:43,520 See, it's harder than it looks. 628 00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:20,920 - Zander... - Nothing to say. 629 00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:24,560 Just keep doing what you do, Nina. 630 00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:29,460 You've got a lot of money to make up. 631 00:43:34,780 --> 00:43:35,990 Oh, God. 632 00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:52,680 Rose. 633 00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:56,990 Come in. Come in. 634 00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:58,640 Rav's just out the back. 635 00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,040 Rav, this is Rose. 636 00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:15,150 Thank you. 637 00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:20,200 And, erm, those rascals over there, that's Jay and there's Shrien. 638 00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:23,680 Cure rascals. 639 00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:29,760 Erm... 640 00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:32,430 Here. Just there. 641 00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:34,350 Sorry, it's a bit cold. 642 00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:41,200 What can you hear? 643 00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:47,280 Still ticking. 644 00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:21,030 Hey. 645 00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:22,720 I've thought about it, Christie. 646 00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:29,510 We're walking along The High Line, and you're holding my hand, 647 00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:33,190 and we're stopping for bagels, 648 00:46:33,240 --> 00:46:34,360 and... 649 00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:38,840 .. it's not just the two of us. 650 00:46:40,240 --> 00:46:41,520 Vinnie's there... 651 00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:44,360 .. and Liv and Tilly. 652 00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:49,520 And my family are there. 653 00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:53,680 I love you, Christie, I do. 654 00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:57,480 But I want life, not a fantasy. 655 00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:01,640 It'll never be just the two of us. 656 00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:06,680 And my life's here in London with my family. 657 00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:12,480 So if you want that, too... 658 00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:18,440 Don't say yet, just think about it. 659 00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:00,240 ♪ Love 660 00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:04,240 ♪ What did you do to me? 661 00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:09,110 ♪ My only hope 662 00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:14,950 ♪ Is to let life stretch out before me 663 00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,270 ♪ And break me... ♪ 664 00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:19,910 Well, ladies and gentlemen, thank you very much for coming 665 00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:22,760 on this very special occasion to share it with us. 666 00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:25,990 Ruth Alice Defoe. 667 00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:29,710 Forever Defoe. 668 00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:37,790 ♪ Only now do I see the big picture... ♪ 669 00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:41,190 I've tried over the years to be on hand. 670 00:48:41,240 --> 00:48:43,560 Waiting, hoping... 671 00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:47,070 .. and finally, 672 00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:51,550 finally, I think it's fair to say that I have won. 673 00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:52,910 Finally. 674 00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:58,510 I want to talk about legacy. 675 00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:03,470 The myriad of memories and tiny moments that make up a life. 676 00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:06,240 I want to say take care of them. 677 00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:11,430 Hold them gently in your hands. 678 00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:16,240 Remind yourself that nothing is promised. 679 00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:22,510 That this little life of ours is less about what we've earned 680 00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:24,750 and what we've gathered 681 00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:27,720 and more who we've loved... 682 00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:31,960 .. and who we leave behind. 683 00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:38,640 I've always known that it's less about the life lived... 684 00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:43,320 .. and more about who you live that life with. 685 00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:47,640 And I'm oh, so grateful... 686 00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:53,800 .. that this family has let me share my life with them... 687 00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:57,520 .. so close by their side. 688 00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:04,950 So if I might ask you to raise your glass, family, 689 00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:06,510 all family. 690 00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:07,800 Happy wife... 691 00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:11,870 .. happy life. 692 00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:16,110 - Happy life. - ♪ Only now do I see the big picture 693 00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:20,550 ♪ But I swear that these scars are fine 694 00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:28,070 ♪ Only you could've hurt me in this perfect way tonight 695 00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:32,670 ♪ I might blind but you've told me the difference 696 00:50:32,720 --> 00:50:38,670 ♪ Between mistakes and what you just meant for me 697 00:50:38,720 --> 00:50:41,200 ♪ Don't say you ever loved me 698 00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:45,320 ♪ Don't say you ever cared 699 00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:52,670 ♪ My darkest friend 700 00:50:52,720 --> 00:50:54,360 ♪ Words 701 00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:58,640 ♪ Have you forgotten 702 00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:04,230 ♪ All the lies you left there so fresh? 703 00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:09,510 ♪ Turning old in the air 704 00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:11,000 ♪ And now 705 00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:15,600 ♪ You have no weapons 706 00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:20,710 ♪ You can try to get close to those I love 707 00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:26,840 ♪ Do you really think they don't know what you're made of? 708 00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:32,590 ♪ Only now do I see the big picture 709 00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:36,390 ♪ But I swear these scars are fine 710 00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:39,670 ♪ Only you could've hurt me 711 00:51:39,720 --> 00:51:44,830 ♪ In this perfect way tonight 712 00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:49,430 ♪ I might be blind but you told me the difference 713 00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:54,830 ♪ Between mistakes and what you just meant for me 714 00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:57,600 ♪ So don't say you ever loved me. ♪ 715 00:52:02,720 --> 00:52:05,440 Hello and welcome to my podcast. 716 00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:11,000 Today, I'm interviewing two people I know very well. 717 00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:17,670 My daughter, Hannah Defoe, one of London's leading family lawyers, 718 00:52:17,720 --> 00:52:21,870 and my son-in-law, Nathan Stern. 719 00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:24,670 Once married, now divorced, 720 00:52:24,720 --> 00:52:28,830 and I wanted to talk to them and ask them, 721 00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:32,600 what is the secret to the good divorce? 722 00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:40,630 They say that you never really know a man until you divorce him. 723 00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:44,070 Hmm. Well, I can vouch that is true. 724 00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:50,390 But no-one tells you how hard divorce really is. 725 00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:52,160 And expensive. 726 00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:57,670 And though we make vows to love and honour, 727 00:52:57,720 --> 00:52:59,390 for better or for worse, 728 00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:01,870 in sickness and in health... 729 00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:06,800 .. those vows are hard to keep. 730 00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:11,240 Yet still we put so much score on the wedding... 731 00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:14,120 .. the happy ending. 732 00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:20,950 The double page photo spread, 733 00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:26,190 the... Instagram posts of the perfect honeymoon. 734 00:53:26,240 --> 00:53:27,910 - Bye, darlings. - Bye. - Bye. 735 00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:29,510 I love you. 736 00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:30,830 Love you, too, Grandma. 737 00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:32,310 - See you soon. - And you, Ronnie. 738 00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:33,680 I'll miss you. 739 00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:37,350 - Bye! - Have the most wonderful time. 740 00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:39,550 - Bye! Love you! - Bye! 741 00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:44,830 - Bye! - Bye! 742 00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:47,990 - Bye, Grandma! - Bye! 743 00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:51,880 We forget to put as much care, as much love... 744 00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:54,760 .. into the way we divorce. 745 00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:58,950 - Amazing day. - Mm. Here you are. 746 00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:00,710 Amazing life. 747 00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:02,510 It certainly cost us more. 748 00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:04,840 More than any wedding, more than... 749 00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:10,350 .. all the memories, and the photos, 750 00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:13,680 and the shared stories that we... 751 00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:17,200 .. lace our lives together with. 752 00:54:19,240 --> 00:54:22,040 I tell my clients it's easy to marry. 753 00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:26,240 What's hard is to know how to divorce. 754 00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:30,760 Thank you for a lovely day. 755 00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:34,350 - Kids are with us tomorrow, OK. - Uh-huh. 756 00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:36,630 It already is tomorrow. 757 00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:38,110 Night-night. Night. 758 00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:40,190 - Goodnight, Hannah. - Goodnight, Mum. 759 00:54:40,240 --> 00:54:41,990 So, what... 760 00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:46,110 .. no bad behaviour, no acrimonious mudslinging? 761 00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:48,870 Oh, hell no, there's plenty of that. 762 00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:51,030 But after the shouting, 763 00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:53,070 after the war, 764 00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:56,150 I tell my clients if they can lay down their weapons, 765 00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:58,790 their accusations, their... 766 00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:02,110 .. resentments, their regrets... 767 00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:03,400 Love you. 768 00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:07,150 Love you more. 769 00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:10,910 .. wait for the ringing in their ears to be silenced 770 00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:15,670 and for the dust to settle on what's left of their lives... 771 00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:22,270 .. if they can stop... 772 00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:27,110 .. and breathe 773 00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:30,960 and listen to what life has to offer next... 774 00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:37,120 Sometimes they've been battling for so long... 775 00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:41,910 .. they've forgotten 776 00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:45,920 that... above the parapet... 777 00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:50,470 .. there's birdsong. 778 00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:55,950 ♪ Our day found the night 779 00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:59,910 ♪ Our words lost the fight 780 00:55:59,960 --> 00:56:03,840 ♪ I know we're a good way through 781 00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:10,670 ♪ We stop and go again 782 00:56:10,720 --> 00:56:14,350 ♪ We started at the end 783 00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:18,160 ♪ I know we're a good way through 784 00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:22,360 ♪ In the cold 785 00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:25,400 ♪ Let go 786 00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:34,760 ♪ And we're finally over the fault line 787 00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:42,080 ♪ And we're taking a breath for the first time 788 00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:49,480 ♪ And we're finally over the fault line 789 00:56:51,240 --> 00:56:56,550 ♪ And we're taking a breath for the first time 790 00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:58,600 ♪ I know you 791 00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:02,520 ♪ And you know me. ♪ 55145

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