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- NEWSREEL NARRATOR: Three
bank robbers disappeared
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from Alcatraz prison.
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- NARRATOR: The greatest
prison break in history
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became America's most
notorious cold case.
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- We've had zero, no leads,
zero leads, for 50 plus years.
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- NARRATOR: The escape from
Alcatraz in 1962
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forced the government into
a merciless manhunt...
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- The escape was a huge
embarrassment.
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The FBI was relentless.
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- NARRATOR:... And it put an
unknown Florida family
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into the national spotlight.
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- We couldn't do anything
without the FBI showing up
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asking questions.
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- They bugged every one
of our phones.
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- It was a terrible thing
for our family.
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- NARRATOR: Until they
ultimately went into
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self-imposed exile.
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But now, the Anglin family
is finally ready
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to share their secrets.
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- We have some items that will
prove that those boys
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were alive at least until 1975.
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- It's almost kind of like
getting the blessing -
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go solve this mystery.
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- Never seen anything like that
before in my life.
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- NARRATOR: And possibly solve
this infamous case.
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- I never would have believed
that this would happen.
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- People are going to be
shocked at what they see.
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- NARRATOR: Washington, D.C.
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Former United States Marshal
Art Roderick receives
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a breathtaking phone call...
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[phone ringing]
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- Art Roderick, can I help you?
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- [on phone]: This is
Ken Widner,
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the nephew of John
and Clarence Anglin.
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- NARRATOR: The family of two of
the three escaped prisoners in
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the 1962 Alcatraz escape is
reaching out to the former
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Marshal, and for the very first time, offering their assistance
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with this legendary cold case.
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For the one-time lead
investigator of the Alcatraz
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scape, the surprise development is a shocking potential break
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in a half-century old mystery.
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- Law enforcement had been in
touch with the family since
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the escape occurred in 1962 and
has tried over the decades
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to get cooperation from them
and it has never happened
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up to this point.
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- [on phone]: We're finally
ready to share what we know
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about the Alcatraz escape
with the Marshals Service.
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We're ready to put
this case to bed.
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- NARRATOR: When it opened in
1934, Alcatraz housed the
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most infamous, high risk
criminals of its day...
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- NEWSREEL NARRATOR: The doors
open to Al Capone
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and Machine Gun Kelly serves
a lifetime with no pals
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to aid him!
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- NARRATOR: ...And was the most feared penitentiary in America.
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Touted as inescapable
by officials,
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Alcatraz captured the
public's imagination.
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And as the years passed,
the Rock's mythology grew.
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But in 1962, the unthinkable
happens.
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Brothers John and
Clarence Anglin,
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along with Frank Morris,
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pulled off an ingenious escape, disappearing into the night.
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- NEWSREEL NARRATOR: The escape
triggered the greatest manhunt
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in San Francisco's history.
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- NARRATOR: With each passing day, the national scrutiny grew,
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shaming J. Edgar Hoover and his Federal Bureau of Investigation.
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- It was a big embarrassment
for the FBI.
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That was Hoover's baby and they
did not want people to believe
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that they made it out of there.
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- NARRATOR: Ken and David Widner
are the nephews of
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Alcatraz escapees John and
Clarence Anglin.
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- DAVID: When I was a
kid growing up,
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we couldn't do anything
without the FBI showing up
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asking questions.
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- NARRATOR: As the feds insisted
that the fugitive trio
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more than likely drowned in
San Francisco's bay,
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they were simultaneously
pursuing their manhunt
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with reckless abandon.
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- KEN: The FBI, they followed
them, they bugged every one of
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our phones, they come into my
grandmother's living room,
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demand that everybody stay where
they're at until they answer
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all their questions.
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- The FBI harassed the family so
bad because they thought that,
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you know, somebody
knew something.
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- We don't trust the FBI
and we do not trust the
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Marshal Services for
that very reason.
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- NARRATOR: Now, five decades
removed from the escape,
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and after poring over their
family's prodigious archives,
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the brothers believe they have
unearthed evidence that may
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answer the question of what
happened to their uncles.
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To this day, it is widely believed that the three escapees
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made it out of the prison alive,
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but never made it out
of the treacherous water.
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- Well, we have some items
that I think will prove
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to everyone that those
boys were alive
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at least until 1975.
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- We're not doing this
for the fame.
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We're not doing this
for the money.
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We're doing this to prove
that they actually did
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get off that island.
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They actually did survive
that crossing.
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It's very possible
they're still alive today.
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- NARRATOR: To help pursue their
evidence, the brothers have
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reached out to retired
Marshal Art Roderick,
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well known to the Anglin family as a fair and balanced
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investigator.
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- Art Roderick worked on
this case for a long time.
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It consumed his life
for 25 years,
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just like it consumed ours.
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- DAVID: We have information
that I know he's gonna find
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very interesting, and I think
between the two of us,
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we can probably solve this case.
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- NARRATOR: The Widner brothers
have asked Roderick to
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meet them in Ruskin, Florida,
just south of Tampa,
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hometown of the Anglin brothers.
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- ART: This is the first
actionable lead we've had in
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this entire case in 53 years
so we have to move on it.
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- DAVID: It's hard to believe
we're going to meet
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a retired Marshal.
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You know, he's gonna probably
be freaking out a little bit
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to be out in the middle of
nowhere.
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He's gonna wonder
what's really up.
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- But you know, I believe
we've got an answer for that.
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Because I want him to see,
you know, hey, this is the
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Anglin family cemetery.
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I mean, this is where
all of 'em are buried at.
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It's a good place to
start this journey at.
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It's right there in front of
grandma and granddaddy's grave.
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It's almost kind of like
getting the blessing.
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Go solve this mystery.
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- Yes.
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- NARRATOR: The mystery
surrounds the whereabouts of
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their two fugitive uncles,
John and Clarence, who along
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with their older brother Alfred, robbed an Alabama bank in 1958
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using a toy gun.
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After multiple escape attempts in Atlanta Federal Penitentiary
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and at Leavenworth, John
and Clarence were sent to
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"the Rock" and requested to
be housed near one another.
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But a strongly worded cautionary note from the associate warden
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at Leavenworth, advised
against such a situation.
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Yet the warden of Alcatraz,
Paul Madigan,
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dismissed the warning, believing that Alcatraz was inescapable,
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and placed the brothers
in neighboring cells.
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The primitive Baptist church
and cemetery:
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an interesting setting for
the first meeting between
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the Anglin family and the
United States government.
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- KEN: This is it right here.
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This is where we're
going to be meeting him.
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- KEN: Hard to believe this
is where all the Anglins
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are buried.
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- DAVID: All but two.
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- KEN: I know it would
definitely be good
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for our Mom and Aunt Merle.
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It would be, it would
be closure for them.
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Why we didn't start this
25 years ago, it wasn't time.
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It's definitely time now.
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- For my Aunt Merle and my mom,
they will know before
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they pass away what really
happened to their brothers.
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- DAVID: Yup, this is it,
Grandma and Granddaddy.
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- KEN: Wow.
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I wish that what we're going
to show the Marshal,
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that we could show her.
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You sure we can trust this man?
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- No, I'm not sure.
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- DAVID: Art?
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- ART: Gentlemen.
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- David Widner.
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- ART: Good to finally see you.
- DAVID: How are you doing?
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- Art, Ken Widner,
nice to meet you.
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- ART: Good to meet you guys.
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- Well, you know, we asked
you to come out here because,
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you look around, this is where
all of the Anglin family
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are buried.
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Our grandmother,
our grandfather.
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We've got uncles buried here,
we have aunts buried here.
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All of the Anglin families
are buried here except
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for two people.
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We want to be able to bring
them back to the cemetery
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and bury them here,
with their family.
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- Well, I mean, a lot of people
have different theories.
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My theory is they never
got out of the water.
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I don't think they made it.
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- We don't believe that.
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- KEN: Yeah, we don't
believe that for a minute.
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What do they have today
to show me that my uncles
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did not make it across?
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What do they have?
They have nothing.
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- Take it from, from our
perspective that we have never
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seen anything to say that they
made it out of the water.
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We're working from that
premise right there.
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- Well, I'll tell
you what.
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What we're fixing to show
you might help us get
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our uncles back here where
they're supposed to be.
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- We're about to give
you a new lead.
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- OK.
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- We'd like to show
it to you.
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- Lead the way.
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- KEN: Let's go.
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- DAVID: We've got a couple
of things that you might
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be interested in.
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What we have here is some
Christmas cards from the boys,
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and as you can tell, every one
of these cards has been
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marked and read as they
left the prisons.
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That one.
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- ART: Okay, and that's their
number there, right?
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- DAVID: That is their
prison number.
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- ART: 25034.
- KEN: Exactly.
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- DAVID: Our family received
Christmas cards
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starting in 1962.
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- ART: Mhm.
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- DAVID: That just showed
up in the mailbox,
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had not been through
the post office.
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They're also signed by
John and Clarence.
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Guess what?
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There's no markings.
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- ART: And you're saying
these two came after,
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after the escape.
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Post-escape.
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- DAVID: Exactly.
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- NARRATOR: Ruskin, Florida.
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For the first time in 53 years, the family of Alcatraz escapees
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John and Clarence Anglin is
sharing evidence with the
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United States Government to
try and find out what happened
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to the brothers after they escaped from "the Rock" in 1962.
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- DAVID: We've got a couple
of things that you
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might be interested in.
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What we have here is some
Christmas cards from the boys
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that just showed up in
the mailbox, had not been
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through the post office.
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- ART: And these two came after,
after the escape.
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Post-escape.
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- DAVID: Exactly.
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- Every year, no matter
where they were,
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John and Clarence always
sent Christmas cards.
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For three years after they
escaped, my grandmother
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and grandfather continued
to get cards signed,
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"John and Clarence."
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- Well, yeah, the problem
is it's hard to verify these
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came after the escape in '62.
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I mean, I know you're telling
me this, but, you know,
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you gotta show me something
better than you just
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telling me that they showed
up in the mailbox in,
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in '62, '63, and '64.
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- Well we actually do
have something else.
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- Okay. Alright.
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- So I want to start off and I
want to show you something.
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1992, a friend of the family
gave us this photograph.
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- DAVID: That's for
comparison there.
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- KEN: Those two men
look familiar to you?
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- ART: Hmm.
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- I think that Art thought that
he's probably wasting his time
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coming down to talk to us but
once I handed him that picture,
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I think a light bulb went
off in his head.
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- I got a photograph that
might help jog your memory.
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- So he's saying that those
are your uncles right there?
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- KEN: Look at that
photograph there.
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- ART: Yeah.
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- KEN: And look at photograph
there and you tell me.
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- Are you surprised?
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- Yeah. Uh, uh, yes.
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I'm surprised.
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My mind's already flowing.
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I basically didn't even hear
what they were saying to me
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after I saw that stuff.
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And I'm thinking, immediately,
"What are we going to do here?"
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- NARRATOR: For the lawman, the picture could prove revelatory.
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If it withstands forensic
analysis, everything we've
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known about the 1962 escape
would be turned on its head.
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- They're always wanting to say
these boys didn't make it.
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They drowned, they
got washed out to sea.
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Well, this picture
proves differently.
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This is what they've been
looking for, for a long time.
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- I would like to take this
stuff out to Northern California
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and meet with Mike Dyke who
is the active case agent.
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- Oh, we know Mike Dyke,
and we don't trust him.
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- KEN: This material is not
leaving our possession.
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- OK.
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- So we're going with you.
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- OK.
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- NARRATOR: Michael Dyke has
been the lead investigator on
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the Alcatraz escape for
the last 12 years,
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a case that remains open for
the U.S. Marshals Service.
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- Every case is open until
we close it by either arrest
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or someone reaches the age of 99
or the court decides
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to dismiss the warrant.
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If we did find them they would
be still arrested because
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they still, believe it or not,
owe time to the government.
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- NARRATOR: Dyke's single
greatest lead in the Alcatraz
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case are bones that washed up in San Francisco Bay nine months
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after the escape.
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Statistical records show that
two out of every three people
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who go missing in
San Francisco Bay
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will eventually be found,
which leads Dyke to a
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possible conclusion in his case.
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- These bones were believed
to possibly be one
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of the escapees but never
could be proven because of
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DNA evidence at the time.
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- NARRATOR: In 2010, Dyke
tested family DNA from the
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third escapee, Frank Morris,
against the washed up bones.
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But his efforts proved
inconclusive.
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- About the same time I started
working on DNA reference
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samples for the Morris family,
I also contacted, uh,
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members of the Anglin family.
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I did have a face to face
meeting with them in 2012
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and they flat out refused to
provide a reference sample.
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- No.
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You know, no and hell no.
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We told Marshal Dyke that we
would be willing to do it,
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only if we could do it on our
terms and he didn't like that.
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- The Anglin family has
had this long,
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drawn out period of mistrust,
uh, mostly because of the way
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they feel that they
were treated by the FBI
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at the time of the escape.
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The FBI was very aggressive in
their investigation at the time
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because, you know, it
was a very big deal.
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I've been very generous as
far as not bothering them
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very much at all.
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- I know he's trying to close
this case,
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but he wants to close
it on his terms.
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He wants to be the hero.
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Well, guess what?
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He's not gonna be the guy
that saved the day.
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He's not gonna get anything
unless we give it to him.
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[music]
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- NARRATOR: Art, Ken and David
arrive in the Bay Area,
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minutes away from a meeting
with Marshal Dyke.
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For the brothers, who've
have had years of run-ins
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with the marshal,
entering Dyke's office
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is like walking into
enemy territory,
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and they have no idea
how he will react
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to their new evidence.
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- ART: What do you think?
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What do you think is
going to happen today?
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- I'm a little apprehensive
about this,
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I'm going to be honest with
you, because if he tries
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to grab what we have,
and cut us out of this,
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I'm not going to be
very happy about it.
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- He could legally do that,
but I think the difference is
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you're cooperating with us now.
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I think that's gonna, he's
gonna have a different tune
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when we sit down at
this meeting.
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- DAVID: You know, my biggest
fear is that he wants to
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close the case and him be the
cowboy to save the day.
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- DYKE: Art, how ya doing?
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- ART: Good to see you man.
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- DYKE: Ken, how you doing?
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- KEN: Good to see you again.
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- DYKE: David, good to
see you again.
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- DAVID: Good to see you.
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- Come on in the office
over here.
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- Uh, Mike, as you're
very familiar with this case,
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it's 53 years old.
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The difference is now is that
we have the cooperation of the
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family, which wasn't there
before...
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- I appreciate that, that's
what I've been looking for.
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I recovered those bones about
five years ago and I've been
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just looking for any sample I
can get to compare it to either
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Morris or the Anglin brothers
so I really appreciate
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any help you can give me on it.
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- Well, we know you
want the DNA.
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You've been trying to get
it for two or three years now.
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We got something we want.
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We would like to have
Alfred exhumed,
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to find out how he died.
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Alfred is another key
to what really happened to
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John and Clarence.
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- NARRATOR: Brothers David and
Ken Widner are the nephews
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of Alcatraz escapees John
and Clarence Anglin.
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They are meeting with United
States Marshal Michael Dyke,
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lead investigator of
the Alcatraz case,
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and have just asked the
marshal to exhume the body
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of another uncle, Alfred,
a brother to the
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legendary escapees.
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- I've been wanting this
answer since I was a kid.
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- DYKE: Alfred Anglin is John
and Clarence Anglin's brother.
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All three of them, uh, robbed
a bank in Columbia, Alabama
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in 1958.
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John and Clarence
ended up in Alcatraz.
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Alfred ended up serving
concurrent state time in
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Alabama Penitentiary.
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A little bit more than a year
after the Alcatraz escape,
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Alfred tried an
escape of his own.
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He and another inmate gathered
some tools, hacksaw blades,
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and were able to saw at some
bars and climbed out the window.
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And there was a high
voltage power line there.
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He accidentally hit the
high voltage line
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and electrocuted himself
to death.
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00:21:24,370 --> 00:21:26,328
That is the official
cause of death.
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A coroner did do an inquiry,
and they couldn't find any
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other evidence of death other
than electrocution.
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00:21:36,382 --> 00:21:38,427
- It didn't happen the way
they said it happened.
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We don't believe that.
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- Uncle Robert went down
and he ID'd the body
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and the funeral director told
him, this man had not been
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electrocuted, he had been
beaten to death.
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- My mom and dad was the last
ones to see Alfred alive.
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When they visited him in Kilby
Prison in 1963 at Christmas,
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he told them, "I know
where they're at.
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"I'm coming up for parole.
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When I get out I'm
going to meet 'em."
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11 days later he was dead.
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- NARRATOR: The shocking
revelation from Alfred that
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he knew his brothers not only
survived the water crossing
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at Alcatraz, but were living
somewhere as free men,
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is the reason the Anglin family believes a vast government
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conspiracy has been
forever at play.
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- In the family's mind,
they had that table bugged
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and they knew that he
knew where they were.
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And the family really believes
that they beat him to death
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trying to get him to tell
them where them boys were.
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- NARRATOR: For David and Ken,
there's only one way
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to resolve their family's
long-standing questions.
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- DAVID: I'm proposing to them
if they dig Alfred up
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and find out how he really died,
then they can have
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the DNA from Alfred.
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We want the truth.
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- Um, we can make
arrangements, to, uh,
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have Alfred exhumed and
an autopsy done on him
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and, uh, they can look and see
if there's a cause of death
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other than electrocution.
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- Sounds like a plan.
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- The exhumation of
Alfred Anglin, I think,
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solves two things.
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I mean, number one, we're going
to get great DNA samples.
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The most actionable lead that
the Marshals Service has
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right now is the bones that
washed up on the beach
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back in '63.
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And up to this point, the family
has not made available any DNA
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to be compared to the sample
that they have from the bones
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that they discovered.
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Number two, if we do find some
trauma to the body that looks
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like he was beaten to death,
then obviously that's going
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to be big news.
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I mean, it's a homicide case.
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Might be 52 years old, but
it's still a homicide case.
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Any connection to the Anglin
family at all and any
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connection back to Alcatraz
is gonna' be big news.
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- NARRATOR: With a deal in
place, it's time for David
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and Ken to present their new evidence to the active marshal.
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- Well, I'm sure that you've
heard all the stories
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and you know that the family
received some Christmas cards
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after the escape.
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- I have heard that and,
uh, I'd love to see those
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if you have them.
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- DAVID: Well, I would like
to show you.
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- DYKE: OK.
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- DAVID: They did not come in
an envelope.
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They were placed in the mailbox.
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Do you think the handwriting
looks similar?
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- Uh, John's name is
really close...
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and so is Clarence's name, but,
you know, handwriting is
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a lot more than just looking
at letters or spacing.
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There's pen pressure.
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There's a lot of different
things involved with handwriting
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samples, but is there a way
to prove that these came
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after the escape?
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That's what I would be really
interested in finding out, so...
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- Yeah, the only thing I
figured was possibly looking
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at when the cards were made.
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- DYKE: Yeah.
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- We also have some other items.
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- These items were given
to the family in 1992
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by a family friend that actually
grew up with the brothers.
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- DYKE: OK.
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- John and Clarence.
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And in 1975, he took
this photograph.
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Thought maybe you might be
interested in that one.
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- Yes, I am.
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[music]
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- NARRATOR: Inside the secure
walls of San Francisco's
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00:25:52,638 --> 00:25:55,554
Federal Building, the lead
investigator on the Alcatraz
488
00:25:55,597 --> 00:25:59,253
escape case, U.S. Marshal
Michael Dyke, has just
489
00:25:59,296 --> 00:26:02,691
seen something that may
prove incredible.
490
00:26:02,735 --> 00:26:04,780
- KEN: Thought maybe you might
be interested in that one.
491
00:26:06,390 --> 00:26:08,610
- Yes, I am.
492
00:26:09,698 --> 00:26:11,918
- NARRATOR: Brothers David and
Ken Widner are the nephews of
493
00:26:11,961 --> 00:26:15,486
two of the three Alcatraz
escapees, and are showing the
494
00:26:15,530 --> 00:26:19,012
marshal family evidence that
they say is their uncles,
495
00:26:19,055 --> 00:26:24,626
John and Clarence Anglin, alive years after the 1962 escape.
496
00:26:24,670 --> 00:26:26,715
- DAVID: You think you
recognize them?
497
00:26:29,544 --> 00:26:34,070
- Uh, they look like they could
possibly be John and Clarence.
498
00:26:35,245 --> 00:26:37,857
- DAVID: In 1975.
499
00:26:39,902 --> 00:26:43,819
- KEN: We put together another
series of photographs that does
500
00:26:43,863 --> 00:26:48,302
some comparisons with their
Alcatraz, and some of the
501
00:26:48,345 --> 00:26:49,564
family photographs.
502
00:26:49,608 --> 00:26:51,044
- DYKE: Mmm hmm.
503
00:26:51,087 --> 00:26:52,872
- And you can see in Clarence,
you look at the hairline,
504
00:26:52,915 --> 00:26:56,658
the hairline is exactly
the same to all
505
00:26:56,702 --> 00:27:01,184
of his photographs including
his mug shot in Alcatraz.
506
00:27:01,228 --> 00:27:04,579
You look at his jaw line,
exactly the same.
507
00:27:04,623 --> 00:27:06,755
- There's a lot of
similarities here.
508
00:27:06,799 --> 00:27:08,670
- And that was 1975.
509
00:27:08,714 --> 00:27:11,499
- And then who gave
you the photo?
510
00:27:11,542 --> 00:27:13,327
A family friend you said
gave you the photo, right?
511
00:27:13,370 --> 00:27:14,676
- Yes.
512
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:15,677
- Now when they sent you
the photo, did they claim
513
00:27:15,721 --> 00:27:16,765
it was John and Clarence?
514
00:27:16,809 --> 00:27:17,723
- Yes.
515
00:27:17,766 --> 00:27:20,073
- They did claim that.
Okay.
516
00:27:20,116 --> 00:27:24,077
And they say where the
photo was taken?
517
00:27:24,120 --> 00:27:24,904
- Brazil.
518
00:27:24,947 --> 00:27:25,948
- DYKE: Brazil?
519
00:27:25,992 --> 00:27:27,515
- On their farm
that they owned.
520
00:27:27,558 --> 00:27:29,125
- Okay.
521
00:27:29,169 --> 00:27:32,433
- Which is very interesting
because, um, in the early 90s
522
00:27:32,476 --> 00:27:35,436
I took a phone call from
a male, relayed basically
523
00:27:35,479 --> 00:27:37,351
that story to me.
524
00:27:37,394 --> 00:27:39,048
- That he saw them
in Brazil?
525
00:27:39,092 --> 00:27:40,746
- He saw them in Brazil
on a farm.
526
00:27:40,789 --> 00:27:42,095
- Okay.
527
00:27:42,138 --> 00:27:43,879
- But, at that point in
time it really wasn't
528
00:27:43,923 --> 00:27:45,098
actionable enough.
529
00:27:45,141 --> 00:27:46,447
- Okay.
530
00:27:46,490 --> 00:27:47,840
- But that phone call
always stuck in my head
531
00:27:47,883 --> 00:27:48,754
all these years.
532
00:27:48,797 --> 00:27:50,320
- Okay.
533
00:27:50,364 --> 00:27:52,148
I have had a lot of photos
sent to me from various people
534
00:27:52,192 --> 00:27:53,497
everywhere.
535
00:27:53,541 --> 00:27:55,108
And I've never seen this
photo just so you know.
536
00:27:55,151 --> 00:27:56,326
- Well, we actually have
some other photographs.
537
00:27:56,370 --> 00:27:57,284
- Do you?
538
00:27:57,327 --> 00:27:58,024
I would love to see them.
539
00:27:58,067 --> 00:27:59,155
[laughs]
540
00:27:59,199 --> 00:28:01,505
Anything you have is
always helpful.
541
00:28:01,549 --> 00:28:04,770
- Okay, how about a picture
of their farm?
542
00:28:12,081 --> 00:28:13,779
- Same color soil...
543
00:28:16,172 --> 00:28:17,913
and this does not look
like American.
544
00:28:17,957 --> 00:28:20,873
Electricity pole and everything
doesn't look like American.
545
00:28:20,916 --> 00:28:23,049
A family friend you
said gave you the photo.
546
00:28:23,092 --> 00:28:25,094
Obviously you have his name.
547
00:28:25,138 --> 00:28:26,879
- That is Fred Brizzi.
548
00:28:29,316 --> 00:28:30,621
Fred Brizzi.
549
00:28:30,665 --> 00:28:32,711
He was a family friend
of the boys growing up.
550
00:28:35,888 --> 00:28:39,413
- KEN: Fred Brizzi grew
up with the brothers.
551
00:28:40,719 --> 00:28:44,592
They actually lived on a river
called the Alafia River.
552
00:28:44,635 --> 00:28:49,466
So, as children, Fred and John
and Clarence and Alfred,
553
00:28:49,510 --> 00:28:52,948
they all played together out in
the water, swimming,
554
00:28:52,992 --> 00:28:55,734
cutting up, so he
grew up with 'em.
555
00:29:02,828 --> 00:29:05,874
- NARRATOR: As Brizzi and the
Anglin boys grew into men,
556
00:29:05,918 --> 00:29:08,703
the family claims they
all remained friends,
557
00:29:08,747 --> 00:29:11,532
even as the Anglins took
to a life of crime,
558
00:29:11,575 --> 00:29:14,709
spending time in the federal
penitentiary system.
559
00:29:16,798 --> 00:29:21,585
In 1992, 30 years after the Alcatraz escape, their childhood
560
00:29:21,629 --> 00:29:25,067
friend unexpectedly reached
out to the Anglin family,
561
00:29:25,111 --> 00:29:27,635
asking for a meeting.
562
00:29:28,767 --> 00:29:31,247
And when he arrived at
the family compound,
563
00:29:31,291 --> 00:29:34,207
Brizzi shared a wild,
sensational story
564
00:29:34,250 --> 00:29:36,600
with the entire Anglin clan.
565
00:29:40,126 --> 00:29:44,434
- In 1975, he went down to
Brazil, and he went to a bar
566
00:29:44,478 --> 00:29:46,915
right outside of Rio.
567
00:29:46,959 --> 00:29:52,268
He said he had just sat down
and all of a sudden he said
568
00:29:52,312 --> 00:29:55,794
an American came into
the bar and he went,
569
00:29:55,837 --> 00:29:59,145
"My God, I know that man."
570
00:30:00,276 --> 00:30:02,191
- And he said the guy got
up, walked to the bathroom
571
00:30:02,235 --> 00:30:04,977
and he stopped him.
572
00:30:06,021 --> 00:30:08,763
- KEN: He said, "John."
573
00:30:08,807 --> 00:30:10,243
- DAVID: "You remember me?"
574
00:30:10,286 --> 00:30:12,158
- KEN: John turned around and
looked at him and said,
575
00:30:12,201 --> 00:30:14,203
- DAVID: "Yeah, you look
familiar."
576
00:30:14,247 --> 00:30:16,858
- KEN: And he said,
"I'm Fred, Fred Brizzi."
577
00:30:16,902 --> 00:30:19,687
And he said John went,
"Oh my God."
578
00:30:22,603 --> 00:30:24,561
- NARRATOR: Brizzi told the
family that after their
579
00:30:24,605 --> 00:30:28,130
escape from Alcatraz, the Anglin brothers had become farmers
580
00:30:28,174 --> 00:30:31,351
in the Brazilian countryside,
and allowed their long-time
581
00:30:31,394 --> 00:30:35,355
friend to shoot a few pictures
of their adopted home.
582
00:30:36,660 --> 00:30:38,010
- KEN: We have a picture
of the house.
583
00:30:38,053 --> 00:30:40,490
We have a picture of the
mountain ranges where this
584
00:30:40,534 --> 00:30:46,061
house is located at, of a river
that runs through their property
585
00:30:46,105 --> 00:30:48,020
and then he took a
picture of them.
586
00:30:49,717 --> 00:30:52,067
- I think that the boys
wanted him to bring that
587
00:30:52,111 --> 00:30:53,721
picture back to the family.
588
00:30:56,245 --> 00:30:57,594
- He was telling my mom
and them, he said,
589
00:30:57,638 --> 00:30:59,988
"I just want you all to know.
590
00:31:00,032 --> 00:31:03,557
They wanted me to tell you,
do not worry about them."
591
00:31:07,039 --> 00:31:10,172
I have no doubt Fred Brizzi
was telling the truth
592
00:31:10,216 --> 00:31:13,567
and I have photographs to
prove what he said.
593
00:31:15,308 --> 00:31:18,398
- NARRATOR: Brizzi's tale is a bit much to take on face value,
594
00:31:18,441 --> 00:31:21,923
but testing the photos
could verify its truth.
595
00:31:21,967 --> 00:31:24,795
- What I like is obviously
he grew up with them,
596
00:31:24,839 --> 00:31:26,972
so he played with them as a kid.
597
00:31:27,015 --> 00:31:31,193
There's a long connective
history there.
598
00:31:31,237 --> 00:31:33,456
- These photographs are
promising and I'd like to really
599
00:31:33,500 --> 00:31:35,415
look into this one some more.
600
00:31:35,458 --> 00:31:37,504
And is there a possibility
I could get photocopies
601
00:31:37,547 --> 00:31:40,072
or photograph copies
of each of these things
602
00:31:40,115 --> 00:31:43,597
and, and that way I can do also
do my own research into it?
603
00:31:45,991 --> 00:31:47,253
- We would like to
do everything with an
604
00:31:47,296 --> 00:31:48,776
independent group.
605
00:31:48,819 --> 00:31:52,998
Just so we can come back
and as this trust is being
606
00:31:53,041 --> 00:31:54,782
built between us.
607
00:31:54,825 --> 00:31:56,218
- I understand.
608
00:31:56,262 --> 00:31:58,742
I'm not doing anything on my
investigation to violate
609
00:31:58,786 --> 00:32:00,396
that at all.
610
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,399
Everything I'm really doing is
up and up and up in the front.
611
00:32:03,443 --> 00:32:05,271
- Well what if I was to tell you
that we got something
612
00:32:05,314 --> 00:32:07,229
to back those photographs up?
613
00:32:07,273 --> 00:32:10,493
- OK, anything you have
would be wonderful.
614
00:32:16,717 --> 00:32:28,685
[playing tape recording]
615
00:32:28,729 --> 00:32:40,697
[playing tape recording]
616
00:32:40,741 --> 00:32:52,535
[playing tape recording]
617
00:32:53,493 --> 00:32:55,147
- DAVID: Now, we...
618
00:32:55,190 --> 00:32:56,844
- That's Mr. Brizzi?
619
00:32:56,887 --> 00:32:58,715
- DAVID: ...need to have this
cleaned up a little bit...
620
00:32:58,759 --> 00:32:59,673
- DYKE: Yeah.
621
00:32:59,716 --> 00:33:00,674
- ...but that's Fred Brizzi.
622
00:33:00,717 --> 00:33:02,023
- Okay.
623
00:33:02,067 --> 00:33:04,460
- And it was recorded off
of that tape recorder.
624
00:33:04,504 --> 00:33:08,508
That's my mom sitting
right beside Brizzi.
625
00:33:09,770 --> 00:33:11,032
- NARRATOR: Both Dyke and
Roderick realize the
626
00:33:11,076 --> 00:33:14,166
magnitude of the recording.
627
00:33:14,209 --> 00:33:16,995
Not only does it provide more
context for the incredible
628
00:33:17,038 --> 00:33:20,955
photographs, but Brizzi's story on tape seems to state that
629
00:33:20,999 --> 00:33:25,481
the Alcatraz escapees neither swam nor paddled off the island,
630
00:33:25,525 --> 00:33:30,138
but were, in fact,
somehow towed to freedom.
631
00:33:31,748 --> 00:33:38,712
[tape recording playing]
632
00:33:38,755 --> 00:33:46,198
[tape recording playing]
633
00:33:47,851 --> 00:33:49,723
- This here is something
that I know I want to look
634
00:33:49,766 --> 00:33:52,291
into a lot more.
635
00:33:53,901 --> 00:33:55,685
- NARRATOR: The new evidence the
brothers have introduced
636
00:33:55,729 --> 00:33:58,732
are the first new leads
since the escape.
637
00:33:58,775 --> 00:34:01,039
- The Brizzi story is
pretty incredible about
638
00:34:01,082 --> 00:34:03,476
how he just, all of a sudden,
bumped into them
639
00:34:03,519 --> 00:34:06,392
down in Rio de Janeiro.
640
00:34:06,435 --> 00:34:10,309
But what lends some credence
to the, to the story is the
641
00:34:10,351 --> 00:34:13,877
evidence that we're provided in
the form of the photographs.
642
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,315
From this point on we're
going to have to really
643
00:34:16,358 --> 00:34:19,100
dive into Brizzi's background
and his connection
644
00:34:19,143 --> 00:34:21,275
to the family members.
645
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,583
- NARRATOR: Walking out of the
office, David and Ken are
646
00:34:23,626 --> 00:34:27,108
certain of only one thing:
their Uncle Alfred will soon
647
00:34:27,152 --> 00:34:29,980
be lifted from the ground,
a development that will
648
00:34:30,024 --> 00:34:33,027
not only help move the Alcatraz case forward, but will
649
00:34:33,071 --> 00:34:36,465
also solve a conspiracy
the family insists was
650
00:34:36,509 --> 00:34:40,078
behind his death in 1964.
651
00:34:40,121 --> 00:34:42,993
- KEN: 51 years my grandfather
wanted this done.
652
00:34:43,036 --> 00:34:46,388
He didn't have the ability to do
it and now the Marshal Services
653
00:34:46,431 --> 00:34:49,609
are offering to do it for us
and we're going to close that
654
00:34:49,652 --> 00:34:52,612
part of our case, which is
really the family's case.
655
00:34:54,527 --> 00:34:57,051
- NARRATOR: The wheels in motion
thanks to their evidence,
656
00:34:57,094 --> 00:35:00,010
the brothers figure there's only one place they need to visit
657
00:35:00,054 --> 00:35:04,928
in San Francisco, the former, temporary home of their uncles:
658
00:35:04,972 --> 00:35:07,148
659
00:35:09,933 --> 00:35:20,118
[music]
660
00:35:20,161 --> 00:35:21,641
- NARRATOR: John and
Clarence Anglin were
661
00:35:21,684 --> 00:35:26,907
Alcatraz inmates 1476
and 1485 respectively,
662
00:35:26,950 --> 00:35:30,128
but who were these men and how
did they get off the Rock?
663
00:35:33,566 --> 00:35:36,177
Much of the ingenuity of
their feat is credited
664
00:35:36,221 --> 00:35:40,050
to the third escapee,
Frank Morris, whose IQ was
665
00:35:40,094 --> 00:35:43,445
apparently measured at 133,
a figure that placed him
666
00:35:43,489 --> 00:35:46,144
in the top 3% of the population.
667
00:35:47,928 --> 00:35:50,757
And while the escape and its planning was a collective effort
668
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:54,195
that included Morris, the Anglin
boys played a central role
669
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:56,545
in helping craft the plan.
670
00:35:56,589 --> 00:35:59,244
- That's one of the things that
always makes me so mad.
671
00:35:59,287 --> 00:36:02,812
I hear all the stories about,
oh, Frank Morris, you know,
672
00:36:02,856 --> 00:36:04,205
had a high IQ.
673
00:36:04,249 --> 00:36:06,207
He's the one who came up
with this plan,
674
00:36:06,251 --> 00:36:09,645
and the Anglin brothers,
they were dumb farm hicks
675
00:36:09,689 --> 00:36:11,995
with a third grade education.
676
00:36:12,039 --> 00:36:14,346
They didn't know
what they were doing.
677
00:36:14,389 --> 00:36:17,000
And I don't believe
that for a moment.
678
00:36:17,044 --> 00:36:19,786
- Growing up, Mom said they
could make anything
679
00:36:19,829 --> 00:36:21,483
out of nothing.
680
00:36:21,527 --> 00:36:25,183
- KEN: They were the MacGyvers
of the 1950s.
681
00:36:28,229 --> 00:36:31,145
- NARRATOR: Over the course of
15 months, the Anglins tapped
682
00:36:31,189 --> 00:36:34,757
into their resourcefulness, creatively assembling the assets
683
00:36:34,801 --> 00:36:38,283
they would need to escape
Alcatraz undetected.
684
00:36:40,328 --> 00:36:44,637
- We've read in the files that
52 raincoats were missing.
685
00:36:46,073 --> 00:36:49,207
We know that Clarence
knew how to stitch.
686
00:36:49,250 --> 00:36:51,948
- They made not only a
boat out of it but they
687
00:36:51,992 --> 00:36:54,037
also made life preservers.
688
00:36:55,213 --> 00:36:57,084
- They took up painting.
689
00:36:57,127 --> 00:37:00,696
They actually painted portraits
of their girlfriends.
690
00:37:00,740 --> 00:37:02,829
Well, the only reason
that they did that,
691
00:37:02,872 --> 00:37:07,355
they needed flesh-colored paint
to put on those dummy heads.
692
00:37:09,314 --> 00:37:12,230
Clarence took a job
in the barber shop.
693
00:37:12,273 --> 00:37:14,623
He knew he needed hair.
694
00:37:14,667 --> 00:37:18,148
So he took hair and dropped it,
as he was cutting it,
695
00:37:18,192 --> 00:37:21,195
and it would fall down in
his cuffs of his pants,
696
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:23,415
and he walked it back
to his cell.
697
00:37:24,807 --> 00:37:27,245
- To do all that under the
noses of the guards?
698
00:37:27,288 --> 00:37:29,290
I mean, what else can
you say about them?
699
00:37:29,334 --> 00:37:32,032
They were highly
intelligent men.
700
00:37:34,687 --> 00:37:38,299
- NARRATOR: By June 11th, 1962,
with the holes in their cells
701
00:37:38,343 --> 00:37:41,781
cut and covered, and a plan
in place, it was only a
702
00:37:41,824 --> 00:37:45,263
matter of hours before the
men made their break.
703
00:37:47,656 --> 00:37:49,745
What happened to them when
they hit the water has been
704
00:37:49,789 --> 00:37:52,705
debated and theorized
for half a century...
705
00:37:55,708 --> 00:38:00,016
...with speculation on the
escape continuing to this day.
706
00:38:03,368 --> 00:38:05,718
Michael Esslinger is currently
working on a book about
707
00:38:05,761 --> 00:38:07,807
the escaped Anglins.
708
00:38:07,850 --> 00:38:10,636
He's joining their nephews,
Ken and David,
709
00:38:10,679 --> 00:38:13,726
and former lead Alcatraz
investigator Art Roderick,
710
00:38:13,769 --> 00:38:15,728
for a trip to the Rock.
711
00:38:15,771 --> 00:38:22,735
♪
712
00:38:22,778 --> 00:38:30,699
♪
713
00:38:30,743 --> 00:38:32,962
- KEN: Was it Clarence that said
the boat drive was shorter
714
00:38:33,006 --> 00:38:34,964
and they were goin' in
the wrong direction.
715
00:38:35,008 --> 00:38:36,314
- Yeah, [laughs].
716
00:38:36,357 --> 00:38:37,315
Is that what you just
thought about?
717
00:38:37,358 --> 00:38:38,446
- Yeah.
718
00:38:38,490 --> 00:38:39,621
- Yeah, he knew in
his mind, he wasn't,
719
00:38:39,665 --> 00:38:40,927
they wasn't stayin' there.
720
00:38:40,970 --> 00:38:42,363
- Yeah, I believe that.
721
00:38:42,407 --> 00:38:44,322
They, they had already
started planning, I think,
722
00:38:44,365 --> 00:38:46,498
before they even got there.
723
00:38:46,541 --> 00:38:59,337
♪
724
00:38:59,380 --> 00:39:02,427
- NARRATOR: As the ferry inches
closer to Alcatraz Island,
725
00:39:02,470 --> 00:39:04,994
the weight of their current
odyssey descends upon the
726
00:39:05,038 --> 00:39:07,997
brothers, and what their
infamous uncles must have
727
00:39:08,041 --> 00:39:12,132
been thinking in 1960, as they
prepared to be locked away
728
00:39:12,175 --> 00:39:14,308
in the harshest prison
known to man.
729
00:39:16,092 --> 00:39:18,747
- I want the world to know that
when they go out to
730
00:39:18,791 --> 00:39:24,144
Alcatraz, and they walk around
and they see the mugshots,
731
00:39:24,187 --> 00:39:28,191
they hear about the robbery,
and they hear the stories
732
00:39:28,235 --> 00:39:30,193
about how they got out.
733
00:39:31,934 --> 00:39:35,416
I want them to know that these
were more than criminals.
734
00:39:37,462 --> 00:39:39,202
- They wasn't murderers.
735
00:39:39,246 --> 00:39:41,901
You know, they robbed a bank
with a toy gun.
736
00:39:41,944 --> 00:39:43,903
But what got them sent
to Alcatraz is,
737
00:39:43,946 --> 00:39:46,688
"Hey, we can't keep these
boys anywhere.
738
00:39:46,732 --> 00:39:49,212
Let's put 'em in Alcatraz,
we can keep them there."
739
00:39:52,041 --> 00:39:54,435
- These were not totally
bad people.
740
00:39:54,479 --> 00:39:56,350
They were human beings.
741
00:39:56,394 --> 00:39:58,265
They had a family.
742
00:39:58,308 --> 00:40:00,136
They had a mom and dad
who loved them.
743
00:40:00,180 --> 00:40:03,444
They had brothers and sisters
who cared about them.
744
00:40:06,491 --> 00:40:08,275
These were my uncles.
745
00:40:08,318 --> 00:40:13,454
[seagulls squawk]
746
00:40:13,498 --> 00:40:21,419
[suspenseful music]
747
00:40:21,462 --> 00:40:28,208
♪
748
00:40:28,251 --> 00:40:30,515
- KEN: This, this is where they
first made their first entry.
749
00:40:30,558 --> 00:40:31,472
- ESSLINGER: This is it.
750
00:40:31,516 --> 00:40:32,778
- DAVID: Wow.
751
00:40:32,821 --> 00:40:34,170
- ESSLINGER: This was their
first stop inside.
752
00:40:34,214 --> 00:40:35,694
- KEN: Wow.
753
00:40:35,737 --> 00:40:45,704
♪
754
00:40:45,747 --> 00:40:46,661
- ESSLINGER: And here we are.
755
00:40:46,705 --> 00:40:47,793
- KEN: Wow.
756
00:40:49,577 --> 00:40:52,275
- ART: Alcatraz blows me away.
757
00:40:52,319 --> 00:40:54,060
- KEN: Always blows me away.
758
00:40:54,103 --> 00:41:04,070
♪
759
00:41:04,113 --> 00:41:13,079
♪
760
00:41:13,122 --> 00:41:21,609
♪
761
00:41:21,653 --> 00:41:23,481
- DAVID: Well, this is where
our whole lives started,
762
00:41:23,524 --> 00:41:26,527
with all the harassment,
everything.
763
00:41:26,571 --> 00:41:28,398
- KEN: Yeah, this is where
all of our lives got turned
764
00:41:28,442 --> 00:41:29,878
upside down.
765
00:41:29,922 --> 00:41:33,839
I mean they left, and, you know,
it affected all of us.
766
00:41:33,882 --> 00:41:35,014
- KEN: Here it is.
767
00:41:35,057 --> 00:41:36,842
- DAVID: This is Clarence's
cell.
768
00:41:36,885 --> 00:41:39,061
Wow.
769
00:41:39,105 --> 00:41:41,237
- KEN: They left, right through
that hole.
770
00:41:44,458 --> 00:41:45,720
- Unbelievable.
771
00:41:47,940 --> 00:41:49,681
Just couldn't nothing hold 'em!
772
00:41:49,724 --> 00:41:58,080
[soft music, seagulls]
773
00:41:58,124 --> 00:42:00,561
[heavy sigh]
774
00:42:00,605 --> 00:42:03,390
- KEN: I just cannot believe
they were actually in there.
775
00:42:08,047 --> 00:42:10,179
- DAVID: You know, their beds
were side by side,
776
00:42:10,223 --> 00:42:12,791
just a concrete wall
separating them.
777
00:42:14,488 --> 00:42:16,795
- KEN: I bet it was good to be
close to family.
778
00:42:18,187 --> 00:42:21,060
- DAVID: Yeah, that was probably
the only way they
779
00:42:21,103 --> 00:42:22,583
kept their sanity.
780
00:42:26,544 --> 00:42:28,676
- But you know,
it didn't end here.
781
00:42:28,720 --> 00:42:30,504
- No.
- No.
782
00:42:30,548 --> 00:42:32,680
I do not believe it ended here.
783
00:42:32,724 --> 00:42:35,901
It might have began here,
but it didn't end here.
784
00:42:39,513 --> 00:42:42,472
♪
785
00:42:42,516 --> 00:42:47,521
- NARRATOR: At approximately
9:30 PM on June 11th, 1962,
786
00:42:47,565 --> 00:42:50,611
just after the guards called
for lights out...
787
00:42:50,655 --> 00:42:55,224
♪
788
00:42:55,268 --> 00:42:58,445
...15 months of meticulous
preparation was finally
789
00:42:58,488 --> 00:43:00,839
put to the test.
790
00:43:00,882 --> 00:43:04,059
The three cons inched out of the backs of their cells through
791
00:43:04,103 --> 00:43:08,020
tiny holes that they had spent months cutting and concealing...
792
00:43:10,152 --> 00:43:12,372
...made their way up the
ventilator shaft, and out onto
793
00:43:12,415 --> 00:43:16,158
the roof of the cellblock.
794
00:43:16,202 --> 00:43:20,119
What they did next turned
them into legends.
795
00:43:22,512 --> 00:43:27,648
[music]
796
00:43:27,692 --> 00:43:30,390
- NARRATOR: David and Ken Widner
are the nephews of two men who
797
00:43:30,433 --> 00:43:33,001
used to call these cells home:
798
00:43:33,045 --> 00:43:35,874
Alcatraz escapees
John and Clarence Anglin.
799
00:43:37,745 --> 00:43:40,618
The brothers are shadowing the
footsteps of their uncles
800
00:43:40,661 --> 00:43:44,186
as part of a fresh investigation into the escape,
801
00:43:44,230 --> 00:43:46,841
and the trip is rekindling
a host of emotional
802
00:43:46,885 --> 00:43:48,190
childhood memories.
803
00:43:49,975 --> 00:43:53,195
- I remember my mom telling
me the story.
804
00:43:56,329 --> 00:44:01,116
I was just a small kid,
a baby actually.
805
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:05,904
And she said she heard it
on the news,
806
00:44:05,947 --> 00:44:08,950
that there had been an escape
at the Alcatraz prison.
807
00:44:08,994 --> 00:44:12,171
She said she knew
right then who it was.
808
00:44:12,214 --> 00:44:14,216
- RADIO ANNOUNCER: It appears to
be the first successful escape
809
00:44:14,260 --> 00:44:16,915
in the history of the
maximum security prison.
810
00:44:16,958 --> 00:44:20,005
- KEN: And from that moment on,
everything changed.
811
00:44:20,048 --> 00:44:23,008
I mean, it was in our blood
from the very beginning.
812
00:44:25,967 --> 00:44:28,230
- DAVID: As kids we would hear
our parents, you know,
813
00:44:28,274 --> 00:44:30,537
when they'd get together,
you know, they would talk.
814
00:44:30,580 --> 00:44:32,887
And a lot of times when the kids
would come around
815
00:44:32,931 --> 00:44:38,284
they'd stop talking, and we
know that they knew more than,
816
00:44:38,327 --> 00:44:40,547
than they were telling.
817
00:44:40,590 --> 00:44:41,940
- KEN: Coming from
that background,
818
00:44:41,983 --> 00:44:43,593
it did make me want
to go dig.
819
00:44:43,637 --> 00:44:49,208
It made you want to look past
what some of the stories were
820
00:44:49,251 --> 00:44:52,254
and say, "Well what caused
that story to occur?"
821
00:44:54,517 --> 00:44:56,606
- NARRATOR: The brothers mined
the family archive
822
00:44:56,650 --> 00:45:01,133
and found these photos:
two men in Brazil in 1975,
823
00:45:01,176 --> 00:45:04,353
whom they believe is
John and Clarence Anglin.
824
00:45:05,398 --> 00:45:07,922
To try and find out what
happened to their uncles,
825
00:45:07,966 --> 00:45:10,795
they've teamed up with former
U.S. Marshal Art Roderick
826
00:45:10,838 --> 00:45:13,101
and historian Michael Esslinger.
827
00:45:13,145 --> 00:45:15,103
- You know, once they get out
from the ventilator
828
00:45:15,147 --> 00:45:17,715
on top of the roof, they slowly
started making their way
829
00:45:17,758 --> 00:45:21,501
across the top of the
hospital to this side.
830
00:45:21,544 --> 00:45:24,896
One by one, they come down
what is a large smokestack,
831
00:45:24,939 --> 00:45:28,377
it's no longer here,
and they make their way down.
832
00:45:29,857 --> 00:45:33,121
So there's soot all over
it, it's real dirty.
833
00:45:33,165 --> 00:45:36,211
You can actually see, in a lot
of the FBI photographs,
834
00:45:36,255 --> 00:45:40,259
sneaker prints leading away
from the smoke stack.
835
00:45:41,826 --> 00:45:44,089
They make their way out onto
the officer's catwalk
836
00:45:44,132 --> 00:45:45,568
for the rec yard,
837
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:51,139
go down into the
vegetation here,
838
00:45:51,183 --> 00:45:54,752
and then walk right in
front of the water tower.
839
00:45:59,495 --> 00:46:01,933
And made their way down
this location here.
840
00:46:01,976 --> 00:46:03,848
It's amazing that right over
here, this is what some of the
841
00:46:03,891 --> 00:46:06,067
FBI photos show.
842
00:46:06,111 --> 00:46:08,069
- ART: So the Bureau found
footprints, evidence,
843
00:46:08,113 --> 00:46:09,810
that they came exactly
this route?
844
00:46:09,854 --> 00:46:10,811
- ESSLINGER: They did.
845
00:46:10,855 --> 00:46:12,552
- KEN: Oh my gosh.
846
00:46:12,595 --> 00:46:14,206
- ART: Your adrenaline would
be pumping at this point
847
00:46:14,249 --> 00:46:16,512
because you're so close.
848
00:46:16,556 --> 00:46:18,558
- ESSLINGER: I mean, when you
think about it, all the planning
849
00:46:18,601 --> 00:46:21,256
that went into getting to this
point in the escape, you know,
850
00:46:21,300 --> 00:46:23,215
here they were, they were
carrying their raft,
851
00:46:23,258 --> 00:46:26,522
their life preserver, they had
their paddles, their packs,
852
00:46:26,566 --> 00:46:28,742
the concertina to, you know,
inflate everything,
853
00:46:28,786 --> 00:46:31,092
I mean it's,
it's really amazing.
854
00:46:31,136 --> 00:46:32,398
- DAVID: Wow.
855
00:46:32,441 --> 00:46:33,616
- KEN: You could taste
freedom from here.
856
00:46:33,660 --> 00:46:35,357
- ESSLINGER: You could.
857
00:46:35,401 --> 00:46:43,626
♪
858
00:46:43,670 --> 00:46:46,020
- Everybody knows how
they got to the water.
859
00:46:46,064 --> 00:46:48,849
I want to know the details
around how they got from
860
00:46:48,893 --> 00:46:51,678
that water all the way to land.
861
00:46:53,985 --> 00:46:56,596
- ART: The main thing about
Alcatraz, why everybody thought
862
00:46:56,639 --> 00:46:58,990
it was inescapable,
was the water barrier.
863
00:46:59,033 --> 00:47:02,645
I mean, you were on an island,
tides, cold water,
864
00:47:02,689 --> 00:47:05,431
swift currents, so that
even if you got to the
865
00:47:05,474 --> 00:47:08,826
edge of the island, you would
never make it to the mainland.
866
00:47:12,220 --> 00:47:17,138
- Them boys did not spend
over a year planning this
867
00:47:17,182 --> 00:47:20,707
to get to the water and say,
"What do we do now?"
868
00:47:20,750 --> 00:47:22,883
They knew all along
what they were gonna do.
869
00:47:22,927 --> 00:47:25,233
They had it planned out to a T.
870
00:47:26,844 --> 00:47:29,063
- NARRATOR: With no definitive
proof that the brothers
871
00:47:29,107 --> 00:47:33,851
lived or died, the truth remains elusive, and the possibilities
872
00:47:33,894 --> 00:47:37,332
have been hotly debated
since 1962.
873
00:47:39,813 --> 00:47:42,424
The widely held assumption is
that the men put a raft
874
00:47:42,468 --> 00:47:46,080
into the water and paddled
into the abyss.
875
00:47:47,386 --> 00:47:50,650
But a re-examination of past
interviews and documents,
876
00:47:50,693 --> 00:47:53,566
combined with the evidence
the family has unearthed,
877
00:47:53,609 --> 00:47:56,525
has generated a shocking
new theory.
878
00:47:56,569 --> 00:47:58,788
- ESSLINGER: Basically what the
theory is is that rather than
879
00:47:58,832 --> 00:48:00,921
just get to the water's edge
in the raft and go out towards
880
00:48:00,965 --> 00:48:03,271
the Golden Gate, they
actually went around the
881
00:48:03,315 --> 00:48:04,882
perimeter of the island.
882
00:48:08,363 --> 00:48:10,931
There's an FBI document that
indicates that when they were
883
00:48:10,975 --> 00:48:13,151
searching the island, they had
actually brought bloodhounds
884
00:48:13,194 --> 00:48:14,804
on the island.
885
00:48:14,848 --> 00:48:16,458
And what they stated was, was
that the bloodhounds actually
886
00:48:16,502 --> 00:48:19,897
made it to the cave and that's
where they lost the scent.
887
00:48:21,594 --> 00:48:24,640
The only true caves on Alcatraz
were actually on the west side
888
00:48:24,684 --> 00:48:26,991
of the island near
the incinerator.
889
00:48:28,296 --> 00:48:30,385
- NARRATOR: Working their way
around the island allowed the
890
00:48:30,429 --> 00:48:34,694
escapees to avoid the only active guard tower on Alcatraz,
891
00:48:34,737 --> 00:48:37,262
on the east side of the island
.
892
00:48:37,305 --> 00:48:39,960
But even if the men made
this full circle and landed
893
00:48:40,004 --> 00:48:43,921
at the prison's boat dock,
the question still begs:
894
00:48:43,964 --> 00:48:45,705
how did they cross the bay?
895
00:48:46,836 --> 00:48:49,535
The answer may lie hidden
within the maze of information
896
00:48:49,578 --> 00:48:54,192
collected by the authorities in the days following the escape.
897
00:48:54,235 --> 00:48:58,283
FBI records state that 120 feet of electrical cord that was
898
00:48:58,326 --> 00:49:01,939
stored near the boat dock
was reported missing.
899
00:49:03,636 --> 00:49:06,856
A ferry would shuttle prison
guards to and from the island.
900
00:49:06,900 --> 00:49:10,948
The last departure that
night was at 12:10 AM.
901
00:49:12,906 --> 00:49:15,953
When the feds studied the contents of each escapee's cell
902
00:49:15,996 --> 00:49:17,650
the morning after the escape,
they found some
903
00:49:17,693 --> 00:49:19,217
telling evidence.
904
00:49:20,609 --> 00:49:23,351
On Frank Morris' desk were
three magazines.
905
00:49:23,395 --> 00:49:25,919
One, a copy of Popular Mechanics showing how to
906
00:49:25,963 --> 00:49:27,965
build a homemade raft.
907
00:49:28,008 --> 00:49:31,011
Another, a Sports Illustrated
article detailing how a boat
908
00:49:31,055 --> 00:49:34,536
enters and exits a slip,
and how to tie and untie
909
00:49:34,580 --> 00:49:36,364
the boat from a dock.
910
00:49:36,408 --> 00:49:39,411
And the final magazine,
left open by the inmate,
911
00:49:39,454 --> 00:49:41,587
a Miller High-Life
advertisement,
912
00:49:41,630 --> 00:49:44,982
showing a couple on a beach,
kicking back with a few beers.
913
00:49:47,593 --> 00:49:50,857
When deciphered from the maze
of evidence, these facts -
914
00:49:50,900 --> 00:49:54,861
the electrical cord, the ferry
schedule and the magazines -
915
00:49:54,904 --> 00:49:57,864
reveal an intricate road map
for the escapees
916
00:49:57,907 --> 00:50:00,823
once they make it
to the boat dock.
917
00:50:04,131 --> 00:50:06,264
- ESSLINGER: The theory is, is
that they came up right up under
918
00:50:06,307 --> 00:50:10,050
the dock here, where the actual
prison launch was sitting.
919
00:50:10,094 --> 00:50:13,140
And then they went underwater,
tied the electrical cord to the
920
00:50:13,184 --> 00:50:16,970
cowling, up by the rudder, and
then fed this cord all the way
921
00:50:17,014 --> 00:50:18,537
around the dock.
922
00:50:18,580 --> 00:50:20,756
So, that way, when the prison
launch was coming out of the
923
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:24,108
slip, they would actually be
able to position the raft to
924
00:50:24,151 --> 00:50:26,762
where it would actually be towed
right out as the boat took off
925
00:50:26,806 --> 00:50:28,286
towards the mainland.
926
00:50:31,202 --> 00:50:33,073
- NARRATOR: The escapees could
have known exactly
927
00:50:33,117 --> 00:50:35,728
when to be at the boat
dock for their departure,
928
00:50:35,771 --> 00:50:38,513
used the instructions in the
magazines, and tied the
929
00:50:38,557 --> 00:50:41,995
stolen electrical cord to the
guard boat for their tow.
930
00:50:43,692 --> 00:50:47,131
- So they didn't swim,
they didn't paddle.
931
00:50:47,174 --> 00:50:49,698
There was three boats leaving
that island that night
932
00:50:49,742 --> 00:50:52,049
and they caught a ride
from one of 'em.
933
00:50:53,659 --> 00:50:55,574
- NARRATOR: The theory continues
that as the guard boat
934
00:50:55,617 --> 00:50:58,664
left the Alcatraz shoreline,
the fugitives somehow
935
00:50:58,707 --> 00:51:03,321
untied the cord and paddled
to a nearby getaway boat.
936
00:51:05,018 --> 00:51:08,282
Remarkably, there is a
witness to this theory.
937
00:51:10,067 --> 00:51:13,505
A young San Francisco beat cop
named Robert Checchi told the
938
00:51:13,548 --> 00:51:17,335
FBI and the Oakland Tribune that he was smoking a cigarette at
939
00:51:17,378 --> 00:51:20,773
St. Francis Yacht Club after
his shift when he looked out
940
00:51:20,816 --> 00:51:23,906
towards Alcatraz and saw
something suspicious
941
00:51:23,950 --> 00:51:26,561
a couple hundred yards
away in the water.
942
00:51:28,172 --> 00:51:31,827
Between him and Alcatraz Island, Checchi noticed a pristine,
943
00:51:31,871 --> 00:51:34,917
white boat in the bay,
with no fishing poles,
944
00:51:34,961 --> 00:51:37,529
sitting idle for 20
to 30 minutes,
945
00:51:37,572 --> 00:51:40,880
before it made its way towards
the Golden Gate Bridge.
946
00:51:41,837 --> 00:51:44,318
In the frantic manhunt that
followed the escape,
947
00:51:44,362 --> 00:51:47,495
the FBI dismissed his
account out of hand.
948
00:51:47,539 --> 00:51:50,194
But if what he saw was tied
to the prison break,
949
00:51:50,237 --> 00:51:52,848
it would mean that the
escapees had received help
950
00:51:52,892 --> 00:51:54,198
from the outside.
951
00:51:56,852 --> 00:51:58,898
- ESSLINGER: I really believe
that this is a game-changer.
952
00:51:58,941 --> 00:52:01,596
It actually would bring them
right to the very location that
953
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:03,294
Officer Checchi was in.
954
00:52:03,337 --> 00:52:05,774
You know, before, it seemed so
random and there was no possible
955
00:52:05,818 --> 00:52:08,821
way that they could have got to
that area, but now when you put
956
00:52:08,864 --> 00:52:11,911
all of this together and connect
the dots, it actually would
957
00:52:11,954 --> 00:52:14,827
put them right in the same area
that he witnessed that boat
958
00:52:14,870 --> 00:52:16,655
out on the bay that night.
959
00:52:16,698 --> 00:52:18,396
- This makes more
sense than anything
960
00:52:18,439 --> 00:52:19,745
I've ever heard before.
961
00:52:19,788 --> 00:52:22,965
- If you take portions of
what we got from Brizzi,
962
00:52:23,009 --> 00:52:26,882
the alternative theory,
the missing extension cord,
963
00:52:26,926 --> 00:52:28,406
that all kind of fits.
964
00:52:28,449 --> 00:52:31,322
And I think the clincher is
Officer Checchi seeing the
965
00:52:31,365 --> 00:52:34,977
boat out there, and I've always
looked at that newspaper article
966
00:52:35,021 --> 00:52:36,979
and read that interview
and thought,
967
00:52:37,023 --> 00:52:39,199
"Wow, this is very compelling."
968
00:52:39,243 --> 00:52:41,288
- I actually think it changes
all of the theories
969
00:52:41,332 --> 00:52:42,724
and makes it plausible.
970
00:52:42,768 --> 00:52:44,770
It makes it actually one of
the most reasonable ways
971
00:52:44,813 --> 00:52:47,251
to get off the island,
in my opinion.
972
00:52:50,819 --> 00:52:53,561
- NARRATOR: But who would agree
to provide such help?
973
00:52:53,605 --> 00:52:56,347
And who could the escapees
truly trust to keep their
974
00:52:56,390 --> 00:52:59,219
plan close to the vest,
not only during the
975
00:52:59,263 --> 00:53:02,222
15 months of planning,
but for years after,
976
00:53:02,266 --> 00:53:04,181
as fugitives from the law?
977
00:53:07,793 --> 00:53:10,796
Roderick believes Anglin
family friend Fred Brizzi
978
00:53:10,839 --> 00:53:13,581
may have the answer.
979
00:53:13,625 --> 00:53:23,591
[tape recording playing]
980
00:53:23,635 --> 00:53:33,601
[tape recording playing]
981
00:53:33,645 --> 00:53:41,609
[tape recording playing]
982
00:53:41,653 --> 00:53:49,313
[tape recording playing]
983
00:53:49,356 --> 00:53:56,015
[ominous music]
984
00:53:56,058 --> 00:54:00,149
[music]
985
00:54:00,193 --> 00:54:03,022
- NARRATOR: The search for the
truth in the 1962 Alcatraz
986
00:54:03,065 --> 00:54:05,503
escape case is unfolding.
987
00:54:07,287 --> 00:54:10,072
A plausible new theory on how
the escapees made their way to
988
00:54:10,116 --> 00:54:13,989
freedom has just been explored, and is supported by evidence
989
00:54:14,033 --> 00:54:17,689
that was presented by the
family of the escaped Anglins.
990
00:54:19,299 --> 00:54:22,041
Now, the nephews of John and
Clarence are on their way
991
00:54:22,084 --> 00:54:25,218
back to central Florida
to follow an important,
992
00:54:25,262 --> 00:54:27,002
if painful, lead:
993
00:54:27,046 --> 00:54:30,136
exhuming another of their
uncles, Alfred Anglin,
994
00:54:30,179 --> 00:54:32,704
whose corpse holds
details that could solve
995
00:54:32,747 --> 00:54:34,532
the mysteries of the Rock.
996
00:54:35,359 --> 00:54:37,752
- The only way we're gonna get
to the bottom of this
997
00:54:37,796 --> 00:54:42,322
is to dig him up and find out
what really happened to him.
998
00:54:42,366 --> 00:54:44,803
- It's going to be tough,
you know, but um,
999
00:54:44,846 --> 00:54:48,285
I'm going to do it because yes,
we do have something to prove.
1000
00:54:50,548 --> 00:54:53,420
- NARRATOR: As the brothers make
their way to the family plot
1001
00:54:53,464 --> 00:54:58,382
in rural Ruskin, Art Roderick
touches ground in Washington.
1002
00:54:59,513 --> 00:55:01,994
The former lead investigator
on the Alcatraz case
1003
00:55:02,037 --> 00:55:06,041
is back in D.C., walking into a meeting with longtime cop
1004
00:55:06,085 --> 00:55:09,175
Michael Streed, now one of
the country's preeminent
1005
00:55:09,218 --> 00:55:11,438
facial imaging experts.
1006
00:55:11,482 --> 00:55:13,658
- I've got some photographs
I'd like to show you.
1007
00:55:13,701 --> 00:55:16,008
I'm hoping you can
help me out on this.
1008
00:55:19,620 --> 00:55:24,059
This picture of, uh, two
individuals taken probably
1009
00:55:24,103 --> 00:55:27,106
sometime in the mid 1970s.
1010
00:55:27,149 --> 00:55:31,197
This picture is supposedly
of John and Clarence Anglin.
1011
00:55:31,240 --> 00:55:35,114
John being on your right,
Clarence being on your left.
1012
00:55:35,157 --> 00:55:42,382
Here is a mugshot of John
from 1960 and then Clarence.
1013
00:55:43,427 --> 00:55:46,386
I also have some, some family
photos in digital format that I
1014
00:55:46,430 --> 00:55:48,127
can provide you.
1015
00:55:48,170 --> 00:55:49,346
- All right.
1016
00:55:49,389 --> 00:55:53,828
- This is probably
the absolute best lead
1017
00:55:53,872 --> 00:55:56,353
in this case since 1962.
1018
00:55:58,355 --> 00:56:02,315
If you can come up with
something or you see some
1019
00:56:02,359 --> 00:56:03,795
similarity in there.
1020
00:56:03,838 --> 00:56:06,493
And you with your investigative
background would say,
1021
00:56:06,537 --> 00:56:09,496
"I would continue to investigate
this particular lead."
1022
00:56:09,540 --> 00:56:13,587
That's what I'm looking for.
1023
00:56:13,631 --> 00:56:17,112
they weren't wearing the glasses
and stuff and people are
1024
00:56:17,156 --> 00:56:19,288
at a distance and, you know,
measure chin to mouth
1025
00:56:19,332 --> 00:56:21,943
and do all the morphological
measurements and such.
1026
00:56:21,987 --> 00:56:24,032
This case you don't have that,
so it's more relying
1027
00:56:24,076 --> 00:56:27,949
on a surface feature.
1028
00:56:27,993 --> 00:56:30,604
What I'm going to have to do is
scan them into the computer,
1029
00:56:30,648 --> 00:56:32,693
take a look and start
doing some detail analysis.
1030
00:56:32,737 --> 00:56:34,739
- Okay, very good.
1031
00:56:39,570 --> 00:56:42,529
- NARRATOR: Back in Florida,
a convoy is on the move,
1032
00:56:42,573 --> 00:56:45,053
thanks to a deal the Widner
brothers have struck with
1033
00:56:45,097 --> 00:56:47,491
the U.S. Marshals Service.
1034
00:56:47,534 --> 00:56:50,624
If the government helps to
exhume their Uncle Alfred
1035
00:56:50,668 --> 00:56:53,192
and conducts an autopsy to
once and for all
1036
00:56:53,235 --> 00:56:56,108
determine his cause of death,
the family will offer up
1037
00:56:56,151 --> 00:56:59,285
a sample of Alfred's bone
for forensic analysis.
1038
00:57:04,856 --> 00:57:08,642
- DAVID: We are fixing to go
do something that's
1039
00:57:08,686 --> 00:57:09,774
going to be incredible.
1040
00:57:09,817 --> 00:57:11,602
- MARIE: It is amazing.
1041
00:57:11,645 --> 00:57:14,169
- NARRATOR: David and Ken's
mother Marie, along with their
1042
00:57:14,213 --> 00:57:17,738
Aunt Merle, are the younger
sisters of John, Clarence,
1043
00:57:17,782 --> 00:57:19,566
and Alfred.
1044
00:57:21,263 --> 00:57:22,700
- DAVID: Long time coming.
1045
00:57:22,743 --> 00:57:23,701
- KEN: Wow.
1046
00:57:23,744 --> 00:57:25,050
- MERLE: It really has.
1047
00:57:25,093 --> 00:57:28,880
- You know I asked my
mom is she prepared for
1048
00:57:28,923 --> 00:57:30,229
Alfred coming out
of the ground.
1049
00:57:30,272 --> 00:57:31,752
And she is.
1050
00:57:31,796 --> 00:57:35,060
Her and Merle, my Aunt Merle,
they've both been waiting
1051
00:57:35,103 --> 00:57:40,021
a long time for somebody to
prove what they already know.
1052
00:57:42,459 --> 00:57:45,157
- NARRATOR: In 1958,
Alfred Anglin, along with his
1053
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:47,986
soon to be infamous brothers
John and Clarence,
1054
00:57:48,029 --> 00:57:50,771
robbed a bank in
Columbia, Alabama.
1055
00:57:50,815 --> 00:57:54,862
The bank heist put each of
the brothers behind bars.
1056
00:57:54,906 --> 00:57:57,996
John and Clarence would eventually be sent to Alcatraz,
1057
00:57:58,039 --> 00:58:00,999
while Alfred ultimately
stayed in Alabama.
1058
00:58:02,479 --> 00:58:06,874
- He ends up at Kilby Prison
in September of 1963.
1059
00:58:06,918 --> 00:58:10,530
When he arrives, he's actually
already eligible for parole.
1060
00:58:10,574 --> 00:58:12,837
So all he's gotta do is just,
you know, a couple more years
1061
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:14,708
and he's gonna
get out of prison.
1062
00:58:15,709 --> 00:58:18,669
- NARRATOR: But in January
of 64, after John and Clarence
1063
00:58:18,712 --> 00:58:22,324
had already pulled off their mysterious escape from the Rock,
1064
00:58:22,368 --> 00:58:25,719
Kilby Prison notified the Anglin family that Alfred had attempted
1065
00:58:25,763 --> 00:58:30,202
a brazen escape of his own,
and died in the process.
1066
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:37,165
- MARIE: Alfred, we are fixing
to find the truth
1067
00:58:37,209 --> 00:58:38,732
about you honey.
1068
00:58:38,776 --> 00:58:41,561
- We've always thought that
they killed you.
1069
00:58:41,605 --> 00:58:42,519
- MARIE: That's right.
1070
00:58:42,562 --> 00:58:43,737
- In Alabama.
1071
00:58:43,781 --> 00:58:45,217
- MARIE: And now we're
about to find out...
1072
00:58:45,260 --> 00:58:46,435
- MERLE: Yes.
1073
00:58:46,479 --> 00:58:47,262
- MARIE: Amen.
1074
00:58:47,306 --> 00:58:48,525
- MERLE: Amen.
1075
00:58:50,744 --> 00:58:53,399
- There's no way
Uncle Alfred only had
1076
00:58:53,442 --> 00:58:56,968
a few days left to come up
for a parole hearing.
1077
00:58:58,970 --> 00:59:01,494
There's no way he
tried to escape.
1078
00:59:01,538 --> 00:59:05,193
You'll never make
me believe that.
1079
00:59:05,237 --> 00:59:06,499
Sorry.
1080
00:59:08,588 --> 00:59:11,548
- NARRATOR: For the past
51 years, the Anglin clan
1081
00:59:11,591 --> 00:59:14,551
has maintained that Alfred
was beaten to death by prison
1082
00:59:14,594 --> 00:59:17,641
authorities, after getting
wind that his brothers made it
1083
00:59:17,684 --> 00:59:20,208
safely off Alcatraz Island.
1084
00:59:20,252 --> 00:59:23,472
The alleged beating, they
believe, was due to refusing
1085
00:59:23,516 --> 00:59:25,997
to share what he knew
with Kilby officials.
1086
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:32,090
- I know that they made it
and I know that he knew
1087
00:59:32,133 --> 00:59:35,093
they made it and that's the
reason why he was killed.
1088
00:59:37,661 --> 00:59:41,665
- If the results come back that
Alfred has broken bones,
1089
00:59:41,708 --> 00:59:44,276
then Alabama is going to
have to answer to what
1090
00:59:44,319 --> 00:59:46,321
really happened to Alfred.
1091
00:59:46,365 --> 00:59:49,542
How did he get broken bones
when y'all claimed
1092
00:59:49,586 --> 00:59:51,065
he was electrocuted?
1093
00:59:54,025 --> 00:59:56,070
- NARRATOR: The official autopsy
gives the marshals something
1094
00:59:56,114 --> 00:59:59,683
they've long sought: a DNA
sample from the Anglin family
1095
00:59:59,726 --> 01:00:02,163
to match up against the bones
that washed ashore in
1096
01:00:02,207 --> 01:00:06,341
San Francisco Bay nine months
after the escape.
1097
01:00:06,385 --> 01:00:10,389
- Well, I want you all to know
it's been a long time coming.
1098
01:00:10,432 --> 01:00:11,259
[sobbing]
1099
01:00:11,303 --> 01:00:12,957
- MERLE: It has, David.
1100
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:14,132
It has.
1101
01:00:14,175 --> 01:00:16,700
- MARIE: 51 years to solve
this puzzle.
1102
01:00:16,743 --> 01:00:19,441
And we are about to find out.
1103
01:00:19,485 --> 01:00:29,364
[dramatic music builds]
1104
01:00:29,408 --> 01:00:39,374
♪
1105
01:00:39,418 --> 01:00:48,035
♪
1106
01:00:48,079 --> 01:00:49,733
- NARRATOR: As Alfred's
coffin is raised...
1107
01:00:52,431 --> 01:00:55,695
Roderick makes his way to official marshals headquarters,
1108
01:00:55,739 --> 01:00:58,480
where he is learning more about the Anglin family friend
1109
01:00:58,524 --> 01:01:01,179
who claims to have taken
pictures of Alcatraz inmates
1110
01:01:01,222 --> 01:01:05,618
John and Clarence Anglin
in Brazil in 1975,
1111
01:01:05,662 --> 01:01:08,099
13 years after their escape.
1112
01:01:10,492 --> 01:01:12,494
[knocking]
1113
01:01:12,538 --> 01:01:13,539
- HENRY: Hey, how are you doing?
1114
01:01:13,582 --> 01:01:14,453
- Henry, how are you, buddy?
1115
01:01:14,496 --> 01:01:16,281
- Good to see you.
1116
01:01:16,324 --> 01:01:17,891
- NARRATOR: Chief Inspector
Henry Geberth is well aware
1117
01:01:17,935 --> 01:01:21,547
of one of the agency's most
notorious cold cases.
1118
01:01:21,590 --> 01:01:26,030
- It seems like a pivotal person
in this particular escape case
1119
01:01:26,073 --> 01:01:28,946
is an individual by the name
of Fred Brizzi.
1120
01:01:28,989 --> 01:01:30,121
- Brizzi.
1121
01:01:30,164 --> 01:01:31,383
- I don't know how it's spelled.
1122
01:01:31,426 --> 01:01:32,863
- OK.
1123
01:01:32,906 --> 01:01:35,256
- The greatest thing I've got
is just a picture of the
1124
01:01:35,300 --> 01:01:40,000
individual and that was
probably taken around 1992.
1125
01:01:40,044 --> 01:01:43,351
Now he grew up with the
Anglin brothers, all of them,
1126
01:01:43,395 --> 01:01:47,181
and apparently he actually
ran into them in the mid-70s
1127
01:01:47,225 --> 01:01:48,400
down in Brazil.
1128
01:01:48,443 --> 01:01:49,880
- Oh really?
1129
01:01:49,923 --> 01:01:52,796
- Yes, and I was hoping,
possibly, you could query the
1130
01:01:52,839 --> 01:01:55,363
system and do a run on him
and see what we've got
1131
01:01:55,407 --> 01:01:57,322
in the database on him.
1132
01:01:57,365 --> 01:01:59,933
[chain rattling]
1133
01:01:59,977 --> 01:02:01,282
- I see it moving.
1134
01:02:01,326 --> 01:02:02,327
- It's moving!
1135
01:02:02,370 --> 01:02:03,676
- MERLE: It sure is!
1136
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:05,069
- DAVID: Here he comes... whoa!!
1137
01:02:05,112 --> 01:02:06,505
- MERLE: Ooohh!
1138
01:02:06,548 --> 01:02:10,552
[chain rattling]
1139
01:02:10,596 --> 01:02:13,164
- Started right here.
1140
01:02:13,207 --> 01:02:15,079
Started right here.
1141
01:02:15,122 --> 01:02:17,821
Been wanting to do this
since you was 11 years old.
1142
01:02:17,864 --> 01:02:19,474
- DAVID: Yeah.
1143
01:02:19,518 --> 01:02:21,215
- MARIE: He said, "Mom I want
to do this, but I don't know
1144
01:02:21,259 --> 01:02:22,869
where to start."
1145
01:02:22,913 --> 01:02:24,044
- KEN: Well here we are.
1146
01:02:24,088 --> 01:02:25,829
- MARIE: Here we are.
1147
01:02:25,872 --> 01:02:31,617
♪
1148
01:02:31,660 --> 01:02:33,750
- I believe this is what
Alfred wanted.
1149
01:02:33,793 --> 01:02:35,795
He doesn't have a voice today.
1150
01:02:35,839 --> 01:02:38,102
We're his voice.
1151
01:02:38,145 --> 01:02:41,888
- Well you just know that
you and Mama would not leave
1152
01:02:41,932 --> 01:02:44,891
this Earth not knowing.
1153
01:02:48,852 --> 01:03:00,777
[music]
1154
01:03:00,820 --> 01:03:02,822
- NARRATOR: The brother of
Alcatraz escapees
1155
01:03:02,866 --> 01:03:05,738
John and Clarence Anglin
is exhumed from the earth
1156
01:03:05,782 --> 01:03:08,436
after 51 years underground.
1157
01:03:10,177 --> 01:03:13,702
His dramatic resurrection and
transport to the autopsy room
1158
01:03:13,746 --> 01:03:16,444
is the result of an agreement
the Anglin family has made
1159
01:03:16,488 --> 01:03:19,186
with the U.S. Marshal Service:
1160
01:03:19,230 --> 01:03:23,364
help solve a family conspiracy theory related to Alfred's death
1161
01:03:23,408 --> 01:03:27,064
by conducting an official
autopsy on his corpse...
1162
01:03:27,107 --> 01:03:30,545
and in exchange, the Anglins
will provide a DNA sample from
1163
01:03:30,589 --> 01:03:34,549
his remains to test against
bones that washed up in
1164
01:03:34,593 --> 01:03:39,816
San Francisco Bay nine months
after the 1962 escape.
1165
01:03:41,121 --> 01:03:44,168
- I'm ready for some justice
and some closure
1166
01:03:44,211 --> 01:03:47,432
to this situation and we are
ready to learn the truth
1167
01:03:47,475 --> 01:03:50,087
about what happened to
my brother, Alfred.
1168
01:03:53,133 --> 01:03:56,528
- KEN: I just can tell in my
Aunt Merle as we got her out
1169
01:03:56,571 --> 01:04:00,053
of the car she just seemed to,
I don't know, the emotions
1170
01:04:00,097 --> 01:04:02,534
were starting to come out in
her like I have never seen
1171
01:04:02,577 --> 01:04:04,275
before in my life.
1172
01:04:04,318 --> 01:04:06,233
You sure you're okay?
1173
01:04:08,279 --> 01:04:11,456
She started to shake and
I kept asking her I said,
1174
01:04:11,499 --> 01:04:12,413
"Aunt Merle, are you OK?
1175
01:04:12,457 --> 01:04:13,980
Are you OK?"
1176
01:04:14,024 --> 01:04:16,765
"Yes, I'm ready for this,"
and she took her glasses off.
1177
01:04:16,809 --> 01:04:20,204
I was like oh please do not
faint here on me!
1178
01:04:20,247 --> 01:04:22,162
Hey, this is the only way
we're going to find out.
1179
01:04:22,206 --> 01:04:23,033
- I know.
1180
01:04:23,076 --> 01:04:23,903
- Okay?
1181
01:04:23,947 --> 01:04:25,035
- I know.
1182
01:04:25,078 --> 01:04:26,123
- KEN: We won't ever know
if don't look.
1183
01:04:26,166 --> 01:04:27,733
- MERLE: I know. I know.
1184
01:04:27,776 --> 01:04:28,560
- It was tough.
1185
01:04:28,603 --> 01:04:30,605
It was, it was very tough.
1186
01:04:30,649 --> 01:04:32,172
- I cannot do this.
1187
01:04:32,216 --> 01:04:34,305
- DAVID: You don't need to.
1188
01:04:34,348 --> 01:04:38,265
She almost changed her
mind right there at the end.
1189
01:04:38,309 --> 01:04:41,790
You know, she was like, I don't
know if we should be doing this
1190
01:04:41,834 --> 01:04:43,749
and I had to tell her,
"Aunt Merle, this is the
1191
01:04:43,792 --> 01:04:47,796
only way to get the answers
that we need."
1192
01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:49,102
- DAVID: I know it's hard.
1193
01:04:49,146 --> 01:04:50,321
- MERLE: It is.
1194
01:04:50,364 --> 01:04:51,322
It is.
1195
01:04:51,365 --> 01:04:54,934
It's very hard, David!
1196
01:04:54,978 --> 01:05:03,595
[crying]
1197
01:05:03,638 --> 01:05:05,162
- DAVID: We got to find out,
though.
1198
01:05:05,205 --> 01:05:09,949
- MERLE: I know we do, but
looking at that casket...
1199
01:05:09,993 --> 01:05:11,211
- DAVID: I know.
1200
01:05:11,255 --> 01:05:12,865
It just brings back a lot.
1201
01:05:12,909 --> 01:05:14,911
- MERLE: It really does.
1202
01:05:20,699 --> 01:05:21,656
- KEN: They're opening the head.
1203
01:05:21,700 --> 01:05:22,919
- DAVID: Okay. Okay.
1204
01:05:24,572 --> 01:05:26,966
- DAVID: You know, it was really
tense for me because there was
1205
01:05:27,010 --> 01:05:31,231
some doubt that he might not
even be in the casket, you know,
1206
01:05:31,275 --> 01:05:34,408
or was he going to be in
good enough shape to do
1207
01:05:34,452 --> 01:05:36,149
anything with?
1208
01:05:36,193 --> 01:05:38,717
- You gotta get down here
a little bit too.
1209
01:05:44,505 --> 01:05:46,072
- Oooof.
1210
01:05:46,116 --> 01:05:51,382
- I was totally shocked and
I believe everybody else there
1211
01:05:51,425 --> 01:05:53,253
was totally shocked
at what they saw.
1212
01:05:53,297 --> 01:05:56,126
- What I saw is imprinted
in my head.
1213
01:05:56,169 --> 01:05:59,651
I seen who I know was my
Uncle Alfred.
1214
01:05:59,694 --> 01:06:05,570
♪
1215
01:06:05,613 --> 01:06:08,573
- NARRATOR: Alfred Ray Anglin,
brother to the Alcatraz
1216
01:06:08,616 --> 01:06:14,013
escapees, well preserved after
half a century underground.
1217
01:06:14,057 --> 01:06:16,581
- Because he's in that good
of shape we should be able to
1218
01:06:16,624 --> 01:06:20,759
get the answer whether or not he
was murdered and we can also
1219
01:06:20,802 --> 01:06:24,806
use the DNA to prove those bones
are not any of the Anglins.
1220
01:06:24,850 --> 01:06:26,373
- Yeah.
1221
01:06:26,417 --> 01:06:27,940
We're actually going to solve
two different things here,
1222
01:06:27,984 --> 01:06:29,202
one way or the other.
1223
01:06:29,246 --> 01:06:31,335
- He's going to be the
answer to two questions.
1224
01:06:35,861 --> 01:06:37,123
- HENRY: I did some digging,
you know.
1225
01:06:37,167 --> 01:06:38,429
Fred Brizzi.
1226
01:06:38,472 --> 01:06:40,170
And I came up with a
potential lead for you.
1227
01:06:40,213 --> 01:06:42,563
His criminal history
dates back to 1946...
1228
01:06:42,607 --> 01:06:44,043
- ART: Wow.
1229
01:06:44,087 --> 01:06:45,914
- ...and involves a wide
gamut of things but primarily
1230
01:06:45,958 --> 01:06:48,004
narcotics and weapons offenses.
1231
01:06:49,657 --> 01:06:52,225
- NARRATOR: In the mid-1970s,
Fred Brizzi was part of a
1232
01:06:52,269 --> 01:06:56,229
smuggling ring, moving marijuana, cocaine, and hashish
1233
01:06:56,273 --> 01:06:59,493
from South America and the Caribbean into central Florida.
1234
01:07:01,017 --> 01:07:05,021
In October of 76, with a
plane laden full of drugs,
1235
01:07:05,064 --> 01:07:07,632
Brizzi and his companion were
forced to crash-land their
1236
01:07:07,675 --> 01:07:10,983
prop plane in waters just
outside of Ruskin...
1237
01:07:11,027 --> 01:07:13,812
where they engaged in a
shootout with local fishermen
1238
01:07:13,855 --> 01:07:18,164
and were arrested for possession of $750,000 worth of drugs.
1239
01:07:19,600 --> 01:07:22,864
Brizzi was sentenced to
15 years behind bars.
1240
01:07:26,607 --> 01:07:29,697
But it was many years before his criminal exploits began that
1241
01:07:29,741 --> 01:07:33,962
ties Fred Brizzi to the Alcatraz case when he grew up in Ruskin
1242
01:07:34,006 --> 01:07:38,271
just down the street from the 14 siblings of the Anglin clan.
1243
01:07:40,534 --> 01:07:43,102
- Yeah, he's got really
quite an extensive record here.
1244
01:07:43,146 --> 01:07:44,147
This is great stuff.
1245
01:07:44,190 --> 01:07:45,844
Thank you, I appreciate it,
buddy.
1246
01:07:47,715 --> 01:07:49,369
- NARRATOR: The preliminary
information the active marshal
1247
01:07:49,413 --> 01:07:52,459
provided is enough to pique
the interest of Roderick.
1248
01:07:52,503 --> 01:07:54,896
Fred Brizzi was indeed a
childhood friend of the
1249
01:07:54,940 --> 01:07:58,117
Anglin brothers, had an
extensive rap sheet,
1250
01:07:58,161 --> 01:08:02,339
and, incredibly, was running
drugs into central Florida
1251
01:08:02,382 --> 01:08:06,299
from somewhere in the Americas, even possibly from Brazil.
1252
01:08:08,780 --> 01:08:11,174
- The Brizzi story,
I find very interesting.
1253
01:08:11,217 --> 01:08:13,959
What I find interesting about
that, he was a pilot,
1254
01:08:14,002 --> 01:08:17,267
and I think he was probably
concerned about what would
1255
01:08:17,310 --> 01:08:21,140
happen if he openly said he
was involved in this escape.
1256
01:08:21,184 --> 01:08:24,491
My thought is, he more
than likely assisted them
1257
01:08:24,535 --> 01:08:26,145
in the escape.
1258
01:08:26,189 --> 01:08:29,888
If those two individuals are
in Brazil, then more than
1259
01:08:29,930 --> 01:08:31,845
likely he helped them get there.
1260
01:08:34,675 --> 01:08:36,850
- NARRATOR: With the new
information on Brizzi,
1261
01:08:36,895 --> 01:08:39,202
Roderick heads to Reagan
National for the flight
1262
01:08:39,245 --> 01:08:42,944
to south Florida and the very
likely possibility
1263
01:08:42,988 --> 01:08:46,165
that tomorrow's autopsy of an Anglin brother may finally solve
1264
01:08:46,209 --> 01:08:50,517
the mystery in the 1962
Alcatraz escape.
1265
01:08:54,738 --> 01:09:00,613
[music]
1266
01:09:00,658 --> 01:09:02,399
- NARRATOR: Laying on a
gurney at a funeral home in
1267
01:09:02,442 --> 01:09:07,011
Hillsborough County, Florida, is the corpse of Alfred Anglin.
1268
01:09:08,231 --> 01:09:10,319
He's the brother to
Alcatraz escapees
1269
01:09:10,363 --> 01:09:13,801
John and Clarence Anglin, and
he and the secrets he carries
1270
01:09:13,845 --> 01:09:15,673
have just been unearthed
after more than
1271
01:09:15,716 --> 01:09:19,590
half a century underground.
1272
01:09:19,633 --> 01:09:23,202
Official Alabama prison records state Alfred was electrocuted to
1273
01:09:23,246 --> 01:09:27,728
death upon attempting an escape from Kilby prison in 1964.
1274
01:09:29,513 --> 01:09:33,125
But the Anglin family has long suspected a government cover-up,
1275
01:09:33,169 --> 01:09:36,607
believing Alfred was murdered by
prison guards for refusing to
1276
01:09:36,649 --> 01:09:40,393
share inside information he had about his brother's escape
1277
01:09:40,437 --> 01:09:41,872
from Alcatraz.
1278
01:09:41,916 --> 01:09:44,528
- ART: Having Alfred exhumed
takes care of the issue
1279
01:09:44,571 --> 01:09:47,008
that the family has that
Alfred was beat to death
1280
01:09:47,051 --> 01:09:50,273
for having information that
related to the brothers' escape,
1281
01:09:50,316 --> 01:09:54,364
but also it gives us a
clean DNA sample for us.
1282
01:09:54,407 --> 01:09:57,018
- NARRATOR: Art Roderick is a
retired United States Marshal
1283
01:09:57,062 --> 01:10:00,848
and has just arrived at the
autopsy room from Washington.
1284
01:10:00,892 --> 01:10:03,938
He's acting as a liaison between the marshals and the family
1285
01:10:03,982 --> 01:10:06,767
of the escaped Anglin brothers, who have struck a once
1286
01:10:06,811 --> 01:10:09,161
unthinkable agreement.
1287
01:10:09,205 --> 01:10:11,990
The marshals will perform an
autopsy on the corpse of
1288
01:10:12,033 --> 01:10:16,647
Alfred Anglin to definitively determine his cause of death...
1289
01:10:16,690 --> 01:10:20,303
...and in return, the Anglins are providing a DNA sample from
1290
01:10:20,346 --> 01:10:23,654
Alfred's bone to be tested
against the DNA of bones
1291
01:10:23,697 --> 01:10:26,700
that washed ashore in
San Francisco Bay nine months
1292
01:10:26,744 --> 01:10:29,442
after the escape.
1293
01:10:30,965 --> 01:10:34,012
- Exhuming Alfred,
I mean, that is so big.
1294
01:10:34,055 --> 01:10:35,666
I mean, that's everything.
1295
01:10:35,709 --> 01:10:37,842
You know, if we're able to test
the DNA and figure out that,
1296
01:10:37,885 --> 01:10:40,061
you know, those bones belong
to one of the brothers,
1297
01:10:40,105 --> 01:10:43,239
we solve one of the greatest
mysteries from the 20th century.
1298
01:10:44,936 --> 01:10:47,417
- NARRATOR: For the Anglin
family, who believe the men
1299
01:10:47,460 --> 01:10:51,159
made it across the water, learning the truth about Alfred,
1300
01:10:51,203 --> 01:10:54,337
and being able to share that
story with the world, is one
1301
01:10:54,380 --> 01:10:58,732
of the main reasons to finally
work with the authorities.
1302
01:10:58,776 --> 01:11:01,300
- KEN: I guarantee you,
you could ask anyone today
1303
01:11:01,344 --> 01:11:04,347
and no one would know anything
about Alfred Anglin.
1304
01:11:04,390 --> 01:11:07,785
And so to me, when we
reached out to Art,
1305
01:11:07,828 --> 01:11:12,398
it was not only a way to say
we know where they're at
1306
01:11:12,442 --> 01:11:15,227
and we're going to help you
find them, but it was also
1307
01:11:15,271 --> 01:11:18,404
a way to give a voice
to another brother
1308
01:11:18,448 --> 01:11:21,059
that everybody simply forgot.
1309
01:11:25,933 --> 01:11:28,719
- NARRATOR: Despite his time
underground, Alfred's coffin
1310
01:11:28,762 --> 01:11:32,070
was almost perfectly sealed,
preserving the body
1311
01:11:32,113 --> 01:11:35,203
better than anyone had expected.
1312
01:11:35,247 --> 01:11:37,728
- Now, what we're all
gonna need to do,
1313
01:11:37,771 --> 01:11:39,425
everyone in the room,
while she's shooting these,
1314
01:11:39,469 --> 01:11:40,992
you have to be out.
1315
01:11:41,035 --> 01:11:42,863
- NARRATOR: Dan Schultz
is a noted pathologist
1316
01:11:42,907 --> 01:11:45,257
and medical examiner and
has been in practice
1317
01:11:45,301 --> 01:11:47,346
for over 30 years.
1318
01:11:47,390 --> 01:11:50,828
His first step, before doing
anything else to the corpse,
1319
01:11:50,871 --> 01:11:54,788
is to order a full body x-ray which will be used to determine
1320
01:11:54,832 --> 01:11:59,358
if the family's suspicions
of foul play are justified.
1321
01:11:59,402 --> 01:12:03,971
- SPECIALIST: X-ray! OK.
1322
01:12:05,451 --> 01:12:06,278
- SPECIALIST: Look at that!
1323
01:12:06,322 --> 01:12:07,453
- DAN: Wow!
1324
01:12:07,497 --> 01:12:08,715
Nice.
1325
01:12:08,759 --> 01:12:09,716
Wow.
1326
01:12:09,760 --> 01:12:11,152
51 years.
1327
01:12:11,196 --> 01:12:11,979
- SPECIALIST: Amazing, isn't it?
1328
01:12:12,023 --> 01:12:13,590
- DAN: Isn't that amazing?
1329
01:12:13,633 --> 01:12:15,766
- ART: The family gets hung up
on the inconsistencies as to
1330
01:12:15,809 --> 01:12:19,247
whether there was an autopsy or
not, but the real evidence
1331
01:12:19,291 --> 01:12:21,380
is going to be what does
the body look like?
1332
01:12:21,424 --> 01:12:24,514
Does the body look like it
went through electrocution
1333
01:12:24,557 --> 01:12:25,689
or did it go through a beating?
1334
01:12:25,732 --> 01:12:27,604
That's the bottom line.
1335
01:12:27,647 --> 01:12:29,606
- DAN: So we're gonna just
cut up the middle
1336
01:12:29,649 --> 01:12:32,086
and just take a look at
what it looks like there.
1337
01:12:32,130 --> 01:12:34,262
- NARRATOR: With the x-rays
complete, pathologist
1338
01:12:34,306 --> 01:12:37,135
Dan Schultz can begin his
autopsy and the extraction
1339
01:12:37,178 --> 01:12:40,094
of bone for DNA sampling.
1340
01:12:40,138 --> 01:12:43,794
- DAN: So, you are gonna hold,
uh, the bone down fixed
1341
01:12:43,837 --> 01:12:45,709
and I'm gonna cut a segment.
1342
01:12:45,752 --> 01:12:47,493
This is mid-shaft of the femur.
1343
01:12:47,537 --> 01:12:49,626
- DAN: In order to collect DNA,
we took two samples.
1344
01:12:49,669 --> 01:12:52,455
We took one sample about
seven centimeters long
1345
01:12:52,498 --> 01:12:55,196
from each femur, which
is the best medium
1346
01:12:55,240 --> 01:12:56,763
for good identification.
1347
01:12:56,807 --> 01:12:59,810
And that's packaged up and
will be sent to a laboratory.
1348
01:13:02,029 --> 01:13:05,381
- NARRATOR: The lab results will have far reaching consequences.
1349
01:13:05,424 --> 01:13:09,080
If the DNA samples are a match,
it would mean that one of the
1350
01:13:09,123 --> 01:13:11,256
Anglin brothers died in
the frigid waters
1351
01:13:11,299 --> 01:13:14,477
after escaping from the rock...
1352
01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:16,653
...and the photo that the
family believes is
1353
01:13:16,696 --> 01:13:20,613
John and Clarence Anglin
in Brazil in 1975
1354
01:13:20,657 --> 01:13:22,398
is a complete fraud.
1355
01:13:24,225 --> 01:13:27,490
But if the DNA doesn't match,
the only remaining lead
1356
01:13:27,533 --> 01:13:30,667
in this 53-year old case
is that photo.
1357
01:13:32,625 --> 01:13:35,323
- At the end of the day,
we can come up with every theory
1358
01:13:35,367 --> 01:13:38,631
in the world, but right now,
there's nothing other
1359
01:13:38,675 --> 01:13:41,417
than this photograph to show
that they made it out.
1360
01:13:43,331 --> 01:13:46,204
- NARRATOR: Roderick makes his
way back to Washington D.C.
1361
01:13:46,247 --> 01:13:49,468
and heads straight for
Michael Streed.
1362
01:13:49,512 --> 01:13:52,036
The facial imaging expert is
in the middle of a detailed
1363
01:13:52,079 --> 01:13:56,040
analysis of the photo allegedly from Brazil to determine whether
1364
01:13:56,083 --> 01:14:01,306
the two men in the picture from 1975 could be Alcatraz escapees
1365
01:14:01,349 --> 01:14:03,830
John and Clarence Anglin.
1366
01:14:03,874 --> 01:14:06,442
- I think everybody who does
some sort of forensic analysis
1367
01:14:06,485 --> 01:14:09,445
doesn't wanna be wrong,
and I don't think in a case
1368
01:14:09,488 --> 01:14:12,099
like this, that you, you can
be wrong, because it's not a
1369
01:14:12,143 --> 01:14:16,234
positive ID science, but I think
the enormity of it for me was
1370
01:14:16,277 --> 01:14:19,411
not wasting people's time, not
getting the family's hopes up
1371
01:14:19,455 --> 01:14:21,326
or getting law enforcement
hopes up that they would
1372
01:14:21,369 --> 01:14:23,284
still be there, because they
would have to provide
1373
01:14:23,328 --> 01:14:28,072
a tremendous amount of resources
to reopening the case.
1374
01:14:28,115 --> 01:14:30,988
So, I took the photos that
you provided and I went in
1375
01:14:31,031 --> 01:14:32,598
and scanned them
in the computer.
1376
01:14:32,642 --> 01:14:36,559
So, what we'd like to do is
kind of compare them together.
1377
01:14:36,602 --> 01:14:38,952
And the first thing on both
pictures, but especially
1378
01:14:38,996 --> 01:14:41,564
on this one, is the forehead.
1379
01:14:41,607 --> 01:14:43,174
- ART: Mmhmm, yes.
1380
01:14:43,217 --> 01:14:44,784
- STREED: The height and
the shape of the forehead,
1381
01:14:44,828 --> 01:14:46,394
as well as the
frontal bone there.
1382
01:14:46,438 --> 01:14:48,745
If you look near the arrow
there, that depression in both,
1383
01:14:48,788 --> 01:14:50,398
that's bone structure.
1384
01:14:50,442 --> 01:14:52,183
- The forehead just
blows me away.
1385
01:14:52,226 --> 01:14:53,880
How similar the forehead is.
1386
01:14:53,924 --> 01:14:57,405
- STREED: Well, you can see the
brow, that sharp downward turn
1387
01:14:57,449 --> 01:14:59,973
in the brow is what
does it for me.
1388
01:15:00,017 --> 01:15:03,716
If you look at the ear outline
as well, and we'll go ahead
1389
01:15:03,760 --> 01:15:06,284
and, uh, show you the
ear overlay.
1390
01:15:06,327 --> 01:15:09,287
Let's see how it matches up
to the tracing and the ear.
1391
01:15:09,330 --> 01:15:10,636
- ART: Wow.
1392
01:15:10,680 --> 01:15:11,724
- STREED: Look, look at that.
1393
01:15:11,768 --> 01:15:13,117
It fits.
1394
01:15:13,160 --> 01:15:14,205
Let's just go ahead and...
1395
01:15:14,248 --> 01:15:15,598
- ART: It does.
1396
01:15:15,641 --> 01:15:20,690
- STREED: And if you just
toggle on and toggle off,
1397
01:15:20,733 --> 01:15:22,169
the whole things matches.
1398
01:15:22,213 --> 01:15:23,867
- It's evident, you can't
discount it.
1399
01:15:23,910 --> 01:15:27,610
I mean, it really is like
he's wearing the mask.
1400
01:15:27,653 --> 01:15:30,874
To me, that matches up.
1401
01:15:30,917 --> 01:15:36,923
- The nose, the hairline,
the jawline.
1402
01:15:36,967 --> 01:15:38,882
- I'm listening to every
word you say but my mind
1403
01:15:38,925 --> 01:15:41,667
is going 100 miles an hour
here trying to figure out,
1404
01:15:41,711 --> 01:15:45,758
uh, what we do next.
1405
01:15:46,454 --> 01:15:48,674
I just never expected this.
1406
01:15:49,501 --> 01:15:51,808
- As a former detective
and, you know,
1407
01:15:51,851 --> 01:15:54,419
as a forensic artist, but mostly
as a detective, my gut instinct,
1408
01:15:54,462 --> 01:15:59,990
as a police officer would be
to round up the posse.
1409
01:16:00,033 --> 01:16:02,035
- I can't believe this.
1410
01:16:05,604 --> 01:16:09,826
[music]
1411
01:16:09,869 --> 01:16:12,480
- NARRATOR: For over 50 years,
the mysteries surrounding
1412
01:16:12,524 --> 01:16:15,614
the Alcatraz escape have both
confounded authorities
1413
01:16:15,658 --> 01:16:17,834
and mesmerized the public.
1414
01:16:17,877 --> 01:16:21,054
Three fugitives, brothers
John and Clarence Anglin,
1415
01:16:21,098 --> 01:16:24,275
along with Frank Morris,
escaped from the Rock,
1416
01:16:24,318 --> 01:16:27,974
stepped into frigid waters and, having never been found,
1417
01:16:28,018 --> 01:16:31,151
secured a mythical place
in American history.
1418
01:16:32,022 --> 01:16:33,632
- ART: The main reason why
Alcatraz Island still
1419
01:16:33,676 --> 01:16:36,635
captivates everyone is because
these three individuals
1420
01:16:36,679 --> 01:16:38,202
did the unimaginable.
1421
01:16:38,245 --> 01:16:39,856
It was really the great escape.
1422
01:16:43,163 --> 01:16:45,818
- NARRATOR: Art Roderick is a
retired United States Marshal
1423
01:16:45,862 --> 01:16:48,908
and for the past few months has been working with the family
1424
01:16:48,952 --> 01:16:51,955
of the escaped Anglin brothers
to pursue fresh leads
1425
01:16:51,998 --> 01:16:55,262
in the case thanks to shocking
new evidence introduced
1426
01:16:55,306 --> 01:16:57,917
by the family members
themselves.
1427
01:16:57,961 --> 01:17:02,966
[tape recording playing]
1428
01:17:04,707 --> 01:17:07,057
- NARRATOR: In his possession
Roderick now holds the
1429
01:17:07,100 --> 01:17:11,322
final results of all aspects of their current investigation,
1430
01:17:11,365 --> 01:17:16,153
and he's in Leesburg, Georgia
to deliver the news in person.
1431
01:17:16,196 --> 01:17:18,851
- ART: What I'm getting ready to
tell the family about what we
1432
01:17:18,895 --> 01:17:21,506
found and the evidence that they
gave me is going to move the
1433
01:17:21,549 --> 01:17:22,899
needle on this case.
1434
01:17:26,206 --> 01:17:28,339
- NARRATOR: For the Anglin
family, the potentially
1435
01:17:28,382 --> 01:17:31,516
historic news the lawman
is about to share
1436
01:17:31,559 --> 01:17:34,432
is less about American history
and more about their
1437
01:17:34,475 --> 01:17:37,174
own personal history...
1438
01:17:37,217 --> 01:17:41,178
...finding out what happened to three beloved family members.
1439
01:17:42,527 --> 01:17:44,921
- You know, it's more
than a TV show for us.
1440
01:17:44,964 --> 01:17:47,488
This is personal.
1441
01:17:47,532 --> 01:17:49,142
This is real life for us.
1442
01:17:49,186 --> 01:17:51,667
I mean, we lived this
every single day.
1443
01:17:54,408 --> 01:17:56,062
- KEN: Art!
1444
01:17:56,106 --> 01:17:58,412
- ART: How you doing?
1445
01:17:58,456 --> 01:17:59,675
- KEN: Good, good.
1446
01:17:59,718 --> 01:18:00,763
- MARIE: Good to see you.
1447
01:18:00,806 --> 01:18:01,720
- ART: Good to see you.
1448
01:18:01,764 --> 01:18:02,634
- DAVID: How you doing buddy?
1449
01:18:02,678 --> 01:18:03,896
- MARIE: Good to see you.
1450
01:18:03,940 --> 01:18:05,681
- ART: Well, we got a
lot of stuff to go over.
1451
01:18:05,724 --> 01:18:08,248
Um, I think we should
probably get to it.
1452
01:18:09,075 --> 01:18:09,989
- KEN: I'm ready for it.
1453
01:18:10,033 --> 01:18:10,816
- MARIE: I'm ready.
1454
01:18:10,860 --> 01:18:11,991
- DAVID: Absolutely ready.
1455
01:18:12,035 --> 01:18:13,210
- KEN: Let's go.
1456
01:18:13,253 --> 01:18:13,906
- DAVID: We've been waiting
a long time.
1457
01:18:13,950 --> 01:18:16,126
- ART: Oh, I know.
1458
01:18:16,169 --> 01:18:17,997
- DAVID: My nerves were
goin' crazy.
1459
01:18:18,041 --> 01:18:21,435
I knew that we were gonna
prove something, I wasn't sure
1460
01:18:21,479 --> 01:18:26,223
exactly what it was, but I knew
that it was gonna be big.
1461
01:18:26,266 --> 01:18:29,487
- : Well, first of all,
Marie, um, Ken and David,
1462
01:18:29,530 --> 01:18:31,315
I want to thank you all
for inviting me along
1463
01:18:31,358 --> 01:18:33,273
on this journey.
1464
01:18:33,317 --> 01:18:37,060
Having said that, you provided
quite a bit of information.
1465
01:18:37,103 --> 01:18:39,410
Let's start with the first
thing you gave me which
1466
01:18:39,453 --> 01:18:41,934
was the Christmas cards.
1467
01:18:41,978 --> 01:18:47,026
It was very difficult to confirm
what year those cards were made,
1468
01:18:47,070 --> 01:18:50,856
and as far as being able to
confirm that it's actual
1469
01:18:50,900 --> 01:18:54,164
evidence that they made it out,
the Christmas cards really,
1470
01:18:54,207 --> 01:18:56,427
really don't provide
that type of information.
1471
01:18:56,470 --> 01:18:57,515
OK?
1472
01:18:57,558 --> 01:18:59,256
- That was strike one for me.
1473
01:18:59,299 --> 01:19:00,910
I was like, OK.
1474
01:19:00,953 --> 01:19:06,219
You know, uh, now he's bringing
out the results for Alfred.
1475
01:19:06,263 --> 01:19:10,833
- The, uh, second item is
near and dear to your family.
1476
01:19:10,876 --> 01:19:13,966
And it's, concerns
Alfred's death.
1477
01:19:14,010 --> 01:19:15,054
- KEN: Right.
1478
01:19:15,054 --> 01:19:15,098
- ART: OK.
1479
01:19:16,752 --> 01:19:19,232
Allowing us to exhume Alfred's
body, obviously that served
1480
01:19:19,276 --> 01:19:21,321
a dual purpose, number one,
you as the family
1481
01:19:21,365 --> 01:19:24,890
wanted to find out if there
was any evidence as to
1482
01:19:24,934 --> 01:19:26,892
how he passed away.
1483
01:19:26,936 --> 01:19:29,068
From the Marshal Service
perspective, you know,
1484
01:19:29,112 --> 01:19:31,723
we wanted to get a DNA sample to
compare it to the remains that
1485
01:19:31,767 --> 01:19:34,030
were found in San Francisco Bay.
1486
01:19:34,073 --> 01:19:39,165
We were, we were actually able
to, uh, do both those things.
1487
01:19:39,209 --> 01:19:42,342
The medical examiner
provided us a report.
1488
01:19:42,386 --> 01:19:46,869
Basically what he did is he did
a regular autopsy there, okay?
1489
01:19:46,912 --> 01:19:51,830
But they also did a
head to foot, um, x-ray.
1490
01:19:51,874 --> 01:19:55,791
And I've got copies
of this here.
1491
01:19:55,834 --> 01:20:02,101
So this is exactly what they did
to determine, you know,
1492
01:20:02,145 --> 01:20:07,019
if there could be any possible
trauma to the bones.
1493
01:20:09,717 --> 01:20:11,763
- DAVID: Wow.
1494
01:20:12,808 --> 01:20:16,986
- ART: And the bottom line is
when he did the complete medical
1495
01:20:17,029 --> 01:20:22,687
examination, they could find
no trauma to any of the bones.
1496
01:20:22,730 --> 01:20:25,124
- That was strike two for me.
1497
01:20:25,168 --> 01:20:26,996
I was like, "Man."
1498
01:20:27,039 --> 01:20:30,738
You know, it was just a downer,
another downer.
1499
01:20:30,782 --> 01:20:34,394
- When you look at all the
evidence around Alfred's death,
1500
01:20:34,438 --> 01:20:38,659
it makes no sense whatsoever.
1501
01:20:38,703 --> 01:20:41,749
- Yes, it was definitely
one of the, one of the things
1502
01:20:41,793 --> 01:20:43,447
we needed to know.
1503
01:20:43,490 --> 01:20:44,840
- KEN: Right.
1504
01:20:44,883 --> 01:20:46,711
- Yeah, we really appreciate
you, you doing this.
1505
01:20:46,754 --> 01:20:48,147
- MARIE: Absolutely.
1506
01:20:48,191 --> 01:20:50,758
- No, it, um, you know,
we're doing this together.
1507
01:20:50,802 --> 01:20:52,630
Obviously we wouldn't be at
this point without your help.
1508
01:20:52,673 --> 01:20:54,937
And that's the key thing
to this case right now.
1509
01:20:54,980 --> 01:20:58,941
I think we all want a
resolution one way or the other.
1510
01:20:58,984 --> 01:21:01,378
- The Christmas cards
come back as a strike.
1511
01:21:01,421 --> 01:21:04,337
The autopsy come back on Alfred,
you know, that there was
1512
01:21:04,381 --> 01:21:06,296
no blunt force trauma.
1513
01:21:06,339 --> 01:21:07,863
Uh, strike two.
1514
01:21:07,906 --> 01:21:12,955
This DNA we really
needed to be right.
1515
01:21:12,998 --> 01:21:15,871
This could not be
strike three for us.
1516
01:21:15,914 --> 01:21:20,049
- We were able to take two
seven millimeter samples from
1517
01:21:20,092 --> 01:21:23,791
Alfred's femur bone, which the
marshal service requested
1518
01:21:23,835 --> 01:21:27,360
to be able to compare Alfred's
DNA profile, with the profile
1519
01:21:27,404 --> 01:21:31,538
that was of the remains that
were found in San Francisco Bay.
1520
01:21:31,582 --> 01:21:35,020
We then sent it off to a
forensic anthropologist
1521
01:21:35,064 --> 01:21:39,851
and they were able to actually
come up with a comparison
1522
01:21:39,895 --> 01:21:43,115
between Alfred's DNA and
the DNA that was located
1523
01:21:43,159 --> 01:21:45,291
in San Francisco Bay.
1524
01:21:52,995 --> 01:21:55,649
- Unrelated.
1525
01:21:55,693 --> 01:21:56,476
- KEN: I knew it.
1526
01:21:56,520 --> 01:21:57,042
- DAVID: Wasn't his bones.
1527
01:21:57,086 --> 01:21:58,522
- KEN: I knew it.
1528
01:21:58,565 --> 01:22:00,176
- MARIE: I knew that was not...
1529
01:22:00,219 --> 01:22:01,351
- DAVID: Awesome, I knew it
wasn't theirs.
1530
01:22:01,394 --> 01:22:02,265
- ART: I mean you're never
gonna get--
1531
01:22:02,308 --> 01:22:03,266
- KEN: I had no doubt.
1532
01:22:03,309 --> 01:22:04,180
That was not them.
1533
01:22:04,223 --> 01:22:05,877
- ART: It's not even close.
1534
01:22:05,921 --> 01:22:09,141
I think it's like 9,200 to 1.
1535
01:22:09,185 --> 01:22:11,796
So it's way out there.
1536
01:22:11,839 --> 01:22:13,189
- I knew it.
1537
01:22:13,232 --> 01:22:14,233
- KEN: That's exactly
what I wanted to hear.
1538
01:22:14,277 --> 01:22:15,191
- MARIE: I knew it.
1539
01:22:15,234 --> 01:22:18,324
- That was, that was big for me.
1540
01:22:18,368 --> 01:22:21,458
- This proved it is not them.
1541
01:22:21,501 --> 01:22:24,069
100% proof.
1542
01:22:24,113 --> 01:22:26,115
- Well, I'm not done yet.
1543
01:22:26,158 --> 01:22:29,379
As you recall, when you shared
this information with me
1544
01:22:29,422 --> 01:22:32,295
initially I was pretty excited
about this last piece of
1545
01:22:32,338 --> 01:22:33,557
information.
1546
01:22:33,600 --> 01:22:35,428
This is the picture of who
you believe are
1547
01:22:35,472 --> 01:22:36,864
John and Clarence Anglin.
1548
01:22:36,908 --> 01:22:38,431
I told you, I think,
at that point exactly
1549
01:22:38,475 --> 01:22:39,911
what I was going to do.
1550
01:22:39,955 --> 01:22:43,697
We went to a very
well-known forensic artist.
1551
01:22:43,741 --> 01:22:47,963
And he gave me his, his initial
impression and then did
1552
01:22:48,006 --> 01:22:50,617
a full-blown, actually walked
me through the whole process
1553
01:22:50,661 --> 01:22:55,361
of how he was able to do the
comparison and his conclusion
1554
01:22:55,405 --> 01:22:58,277
was actually pretty simple.
1555
01:22:58,321 --> 01:23:04,066
He said that it's highly likely
that the two individuals
1556
01:23:04,109 --> 01:23:08,809
in that 1975 photograph are
John and Clarence Anglin.
1557
01:23:08,853 --> 01:23:09,506
- KEN: Told you.
1558
01:23:09,549 --> 01:23:10,463
- DAVID: I knew it!
1559
01:23:10,507 --> 01:23:11,508
- KEN: I told you.
1560
01:23:11,551 --> 01:23:12,813
- MARIE: [laughs] I knew it!
1561
01:23:12,857 --> 01:23:13,989
- DAVID: Boy, you just
gave me chills.
1562
01:23:14,032 --> 01:23:15,033
I knew it was them.
1563
01:23:15,077 --> 01:23:15,860
- KEN: I knew!
1564
01:23:15,903 --> 01:23:17,340
I told you!
1565
01:23:17,383 --> 01:23:19,298
- ART: Now, again they're
never gonna give you 100%...
1566
01:23:19,342 --> 01:23:20,082
- DAVID: Right.
1567
01:23:20,125 --> 01:23:21,648
- ART: But...
1568
01:23:21,692 --> 01:23:23,433
- DAVID: Hey, that's close
enough for me, buddy.
1569
01:23:23,476 --> 01:23:25,043
That's close enough for me.
1570
01:23:25,087 --> 01:23:26,697
- ART: ...I asked him, I asked
him the question,
1571
01:23:26,740 --> 01:23:29,656
"If this was you and you were
in my place as an investigator,
1572
01:23:29,700 --> 01:23:31,136
what would you do?"
1573
01:23:31,180 --> 01:23:34,139
And he basically said,
"I would round up the posse."
1574
01:23:34,183 --> 01:23:35,836
- KEN: Oh my god!
1575
01:23:35,880 --> 01:23:37,099
- MARIE: Oh man!
1576
01:23:37,142 --> 01:23:38,187
- KEN: Whew!
1577
01:23:38,230 --> 01:23:41,451
I knew in my heart
that it was them.
1578
01:23:41,494 --> 01:23:44,193
I wanted science to
kinda back it up.
1579
01:23:44,236 --> 01:23:46,717
This is a new chapter
that's about to be written.
1580
01:23:46,760 --> 01:23:49,459
And we're gonna be
part of that chapter.
1581
01:23:49,502 --> 01:23:52,331
- I can't wait 'til
the world hears this!
1582
01:23:52,375 --> 01:23:54,681
- So now that you have that
from the guy who looked
1583
01:23:54,725 --> 01:23:57,728
at these photographs,
what do you believe?
1584
01:23:57,771 --> 01:24:03,212
- Well, I'm, I'm changing
my mind based on the,
1585
01:24:03,255 --> 01:24:06,258
the photograph, which I think I
told you that the photograph
1586
01:24:06,302 --> 01:24:09,087
to me was the most
convincing thing.
1587
01:24:09,131 --> 01:24:13,352
Obviously this is a complete
game-changer in this case.
1588
01:24:13,396 --> 01:24:14,353
- DAVID: Yes.
1589
01:24:14,397 --> 01:24:15,702
- MARIE: It is.
1590
01:24:15,746 --> 01:24:20,620
- Um, obviously the DNA,
coupled with the...
1591
01:24:20,664 --> 01:24:21,752
- KEN: Sorry, I...
1592
01:24:21,795 --> 01:24:23,014
- ART: No, that's fine.
1593
01:24:23,058 --> 01:24:24,494
- KEN: I am still, I'm still
just floored.
1594
01:24:24,537 --> 01:24:28,324
- Listen, I was bowled over
myself so, um, have at it.
1595
01:24:29,716 --> 01:24:33,590
- DAVID: The family does feel
vindicated, uh, about everything
1596
01:24:33,633 --> 01:24:40,249
that we found, mainly because we
now can prove to the world
1597
01:24:40,292 --> 01:24:44,079
that those boys did not
drown in that water.
1598
01:24:46,342 --> 01:24:51,042
And that photo is actually the
only piece of evidence that
1599
01:24:51,086 --> 01:24:53,653
proves that they made it.
1600
01:24:56,700 --> 01:25:02,662
♪
1601
01:25:02,706 --> 01:25:09,800
♪
1602
01:25:09,843 --> 01:25:12,542
- ART: I'm very lucky to be
sitting here now and in this
1603
01:25:12,585 --> 01:25:16,023
very short period of time,
have brought this case
1604
01:25:16,067 --> 01:25:19,723
to this point where I truly
believe we're going to close it.
1605
01:25:19,766 --> 01:25:31,735
♪
1606
01:25:31,778 --> 01:25:43,442
♪
1607
01:25:43,486 --> 01:25:44,226
- Director Harlow.
1608
01:25:44,269 --> 01:25:45,183
- Art, good to see you.
1609
01:25:45,227 --> 01:25:46,402
Good to see you sir.
1610
01:25:46,445 --> 01:25:55,628
♪
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