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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,914 --> 00:00:04,482 [dramatic music] 2 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 3 00:00:04,526 --> 00:00:05,875 - NEWSREEL NARRATOR: Three bank robbers disappeared 4 00:00:05,918 --> 00:00:07,920 from Alcatraz prison. 5 00:00:07,964 --> 00:00:09,879 - NARRATOR: The greatest prison break in history 6 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 7 00:00:09,922 --> 00:00:12,882 became America's most notorious cold case. 8 00:00:12,925 --> 00:00:16,712 - We've had zero, no leads, zero leads, for 50 plus years. 9 00:00:19,715 --> 00:00:22,109 - NARRATOR: The escape from Alcatraz in 1962 10 00:00:22,152 --> 00:00:25,025 forced the government into a merciless manhunt... 11 00:00:25,068 --> 00:00:26,678 - The escape was a huge embarrassment. 12 00:00:26,722 --> 00:00:28,419 The FBI was relentless. 13 00:00:28,463 --> 00:00:30,030 - NARRATOR:... And it put an unknown Florida family 14 00:00:30,073 --> 00:00:33,033 into the national spotlight. 15 00:00:33,076 --> 00:00:35,165 - We couldn't do anything without the FBI showing up 16 00:00:35,209 --> 00:00:36,471 asking questions. 17 00:00:36,514 --> 00:00:39,648 - They bugged every one of our phones. 18 00:00:39,691 --> 00:00:41,911 - It was a terrible thing for our family. 19 00:00:41,954 --> 00:00:43,956 - NARRATOR: Until they ultimately went into 20 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:45,915 self-imposed exile. 21 00:00:49,005 --> 00:00:51,834 But now, the Anglin family is finally ready 22 00:00:51,877 --> 00:00:53,488 to share their secrets. 23 00:00:53,531 --> 00:00:57,187 - We have some items that will prove that those boys 24 00:00:57,231 --> 00:01:01,104 were alive at least until 1975. 25 00:01:01,148 --> 00:01:02,627 - It's almost kind of like getting the blessing - 26 00:01:02,671 --> 00:01:05,108 go solve this mystery. 27 00:01:05,152 --> 00:01:07,980 - Never seen anything like that before in my life. 28 00:01:08,024 --> 00:01:11,506 - NARRATOR: And possibly solve this infamous case. 29 00:01:11,549 --> 00:01:13,377 - I never would have believed that this would happen. 30 00:01:13,421 --> 00:01:15,771 - People are going to be shocked at what they see. 31 00:01:15,814 --> 00:01:21,255 [dramatic music] 32 00:01:28,088 --> 00:01:30,960 - NARRATOR: Washington, D.C. 33 00:01:31,003 --> 00:01:33,484 Former United States Marshal Art Roderick receives 34 00:01:33,528 --> 00:01:35,356 a breathtaking phone call... 35 00:01:35,399 --> 00:01:37,053 [phone ringing] 36 00:01:37,097 --> 00:01:38,533 - Art Roderick, can I help you? 37 00:01:38,576 --> 00:01:40,970 - [on phone]: This is Ken Widner, 38 00:01:41,013 --> 00:01:43,799 the nephew of John and Clarence Anglin. 39 00:01:46,193 --> 00:01:48,673 - NARRATOR: The family of two of the three escaped prisoners in 40 00:01:48,717 --> 00:01:52,503 the 1962 Alcatraz escape is reaching out to the former 41 00:01:52,547 --> 00:01:56,420 Marshal, and for the very first time, offering their assistance 42 00:01:56,464 --> 00:01:59,989 with this legendary cold case. 43 00:02:00,032 --> 00:02:02,252 For the one-time lead investigator of the Alcatraz 44 00:02:02,296 --> 00:02:06,387 scape, the surprise development is a shocking potential break 45 00:02:06,430 --> 00:02:09,085 in a half-century old mystery. 46 00:02:11,261 --> 00:02:13,350 - Law enforcement had been in touch with the family since 47 00:02:13,394 --> 00:02:17,963 the escape occurred in 1962 and has tried over the decades 48 00:02:18,007 --> 00:02:20,270 to get cooperation from them and it has never happened 49 00:02:20,314 --> 00:02:22,011 up to this point. 50 00:02:22,054 --> 00:02:24,405 - [on phone]: We're finally ready to share what we know 51 00:02:24,448 --> 00:02:26,668 about the Alcatraz escape with the Marshals Service. 52 00:02:26,711 --> 00:02:29,192 We're ready to put this case to bed. 53 00:02:29,236 --> 00:02:35,720 [music] 54 00:02:35,764 --> 00:02:38,549 - NARRATOR: When it opened in 1934, Alcatraz housed the 55 00:02:38,593 --> 00:02:41,813 most infamous, high risk criminals of its day... 56 00:02:41,857 --> 00:02:43,250 - NEWSREEL NARRATOR: The doors open to Al Capone 57 00:02:43,293 --> 00:02:46,296 and Machine Gun Kelly serves a lifetime with no pals 58 00:02:46,340 --> 00:02:48,080 to aid him! 59 00:02:48,124 --> 00:02:51,040 - NARRATOR: ...And was the most feared penitentiary in America. 60 00:02:56,306 --> 00:03:03,444 ♪ 61 00:03:03,487 --> 00:03:06,011 Touted as inescapable by officials, 62 00:03:06,055 --> 00:03:08,710 Alcatraz captured the public's imagination. 63 00:03:11,321 --> 00:03:15,238 And as the years passed, the Rock's mythology grew. 64 00:03:15,282 --> 00:03:21,723 ♪ 65 00:03:21,766 --> 00:03:25,292 But in 1962, the unthinkable happens. 66 00:03:26,118 --> 00:03:27,946 Brothers John and Clarence Anglin, 67 00:03:27,990 --> 00:03:29,818 along with Frank Morris, 68 00:03:29,861 --> 00:03:33,778 pulled off an ingenious escape, disappearing into the night. 69 00:03:40,698 --> 00:03:42,265 - NEWSREEL NARRATOR: The escape triggered the greatest manhunt 70 00:03:42,309 --> 00:03:45,050 in San Francisco's history. 71 00:03:45,094 --> 00:03:48,271 - NARRATOR: With each passing day, the national scrutiny grew, 72 00:03:48,315 --> 00:03:52,406 shaming J. Edgar Hoover and his Federal Bureau of Investigation. 73 00:03:52,449 --> 00:03:54,973 - It was a big embarrassment for the FBI. 74 00:03:55,017 --> 00:04:00,065 That was Hoover's baby and they did not want people to believe 75 00:04:00,109 --> 00:04:02,067 that they made it out of there. 76 00:04:04,069 --> 00:04:06,376 - NARRATOR: Ken and David Widner are the nephews of 77 00:04:06,420 --> 00:04:10,685 Alcatraz escapees John and Clarence Anglin. 78 00:04:10,728 --> 00:04:12,295 - DAVID: When I was a kid growing up, 79 00:04:12,339 --> 00:04:14,297 we couldn't do anything without the FBI showing up 80 00:04:14,341 --> 00:04:15,777 asking questions. 81 00:04:17,517 --> 00:04:19,389 - NARRATOR: As the feds insisted that the fugitive trio 82 00:04:19,433 --> 00:04:23,263 more than likely drowned in San Francisco's bay, 83 00:04:23,306 --> 00:04:25,743 they were simultaneously pursuing their manhunt 84 00:04:25,787 --> 00:04:27,267 with reckless abandon. 85 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:32,184 - KEN: The FBI, they followed them, they bugged every one of 86 00:04:32,228 --> 00:04:36,188 our phones, they come into my grandmother's living room, 87 00:04:36,232 --> 00:04:38,669 demand that everybody stay where they're at until they answer 88 00:04:38,713 --> 00:04:40,323 all their questions. 89 00:04:40,367 --> 00:04:44,719 - The FBI harassed the family so bad because they thought that, 90 00:04:44,762 --> 00:04:46,634 you know, somebody knew something. 91 00:04:48,853 --> 00:04:51,073 - We don't trust the FBI and we do not trust the 92 00:04:51,116 --> 00:04:53,641 Marshal Services for that very reason. 93 00:04:55,251 --> 00:04:58,123 - NARRATOR: Now, five decades removed from the escape, 94 00:04:58,167 --> 00:05:01,736 and after poring over their family's prodigious archives, 95 00:05:01,779 --> 00:05:04,260 the brothers believe they have unearthed evidence that may 96 00:05:04,304 --> 00:05:07,568 answer the question of what happened to their uncles. 97 00:05:11,485 --> 00:05:14,618 To this day, it is widely believed that the three escapees 98 00:05:14,662 --> 00:05:18,361 made it out of the prison alive, 99 00:05:18,405 --> 00:05:21,321 but never made it out of the treacherous water. 100 00:05:21,364 --> 00:05:25,586 - Well, we have some items that I think will prove 101 00:05:25,629 --> 00:05:30,547 to everyone that those boys were alive 102 00:05:30,591 --> 00:05:33,594 at least until 1975. 103 00:05:35,813 --> 00:05:37,815 - We're not doing this for the fame. 104 00:05:37,859 --> 00:05:39,513 We're not doing this for the money. 105 00:05:39,556 --> 00:05:42,037 We're doing this to prove that they actually did 106 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:43,386 get off that island. 107 00:05:43,430 --> 00:05:47,172 They actually did survive that crossing. 108 00:05:47,216 --> 00:05:49,523 It's very possible they're still alive today. 109 00:05:52,439 --> 00:05:54,484 - NARRATOR: To help pursue their evidence, the brothers have 110 00:05:54,528 --> 00:05:57,269 reached out to retired Marshal Art Roderick, 111 00:05:57,313 --> 00:06:00,055 well known to the Anglin family as a fair and balanced 112 00:06:00,098 --> 00:06:02,536 investigator. 113 00:06:02,579 --> 00:06:06,496 - Art Roderick worked on this case for a long time. 114 00:06:06,540 --> 00:06:09,107 It consumed his life for 25 years, 115 00:06:09,151 --> 00:06:11,371 just like it consumed ours. 116 00:06:13,982 --> 00:06:16,898 - DAVID: We have information that I know he's gonna find 117 00:06:16,941 --> 00:06:20,380 very interesting, and I think between the two of us, 118 00:06:20,423 --> 00:06:23,252 we can probably solve this case. 119 00:06:26,124 --> 00:06:27,909 - NARRATOR: The Widner brothers have asked Roderick to 120 00:06:27,952 --> 00:06:30,955 meet them in Ruskin, Florida, just south of Tampa, 121 00:06:30,999 --> 00:06:33,436 hometown of the Anglin brothers. 122 00:06:34,872 --> 00:06:38,006 - ART: This is the first actionable lead we've had in 123 00:06:38,049 --> 00:06:43,315 this entire case in 53 years so we have to move on it. 124 00:06:43,359 --> 00:06:52,324 ♪ 125 00:06:52,368 --> 00:07:01,551 ♪ 126 00:07:01,595 --> 00:07:02,944 - DAVID: It's hard to believe we're going to meet 127 00:07:02,987 --> 00:07:04,598 a retired Marshal. 128 00:07:04,641 --> 00:07:08,602 You know, he's gonna probably be freaking out a little bit 129 00:07:08,645 --> 00:07:11,300 to be out in the middle of nowhere. 130 00:07:11,343 --> 00:07:14,477 He's gonna wonder what's really up. 131 00:07:15,522 --> 00:07:18,133 - But you know, I believe we've got an answer for that. 132 00:07:18,176 --> 00:07:21,223 Because I want him to see, you know, hey, this is the 133 00:07:21,266 --> 00:07:23,486 Anglin family cemetery. 134 00:07:23,530 --> 00:07:25,314 I mean, this is where all of 'em are buried at. 135 00:07:25,357 --> 00:07:28,535 It's a good place to start this journey at. 136 00:07:28,578 --> 00:07:31,189 It's right there in front of grandma and granddaddy's grave. 137 00:07:31,233 --> 00:07:32,713 It's almost kind of like getting the blessing. 138 00:07:32,756 --> 00:07:34,541 Go solve this mystery. 139 00:07:34,584 --> 00:07:35,455 - Yes. 140 00:07:42,374 --> 00:07:44,159 - NARRATOR: The mystery surrounds the whereabouts of 141 00:07:44,202 --> 00:07:48,859 their two fugitive uncles, John and Clarence, who along 142 00:07:48,903 --> 00:07:53,429 with their older brother Alfred, robbed an Alabama bank in 1958 143 00:07:53,473 --> 00:07:56,214 using a toy gun. 144 00:07:56,258 --> 00:07:59,740 After multiple escape attempts in Atlanta Federal Penitentiary 145 00:07:59,783 --> 00:08:02,394 and at Leavenworth, John and Clarence were sent to 146 00:08:02,438 --> 00:08:06,398 "the Rock" and requested to be housed near one another. 147 00:08:06,442 --> 00:08:09,619 But a strongly worded cautionary note from the associate warden 148 00:08:09,663 --> 00:08:13,493 at Leavenworth, advised against such a situation. 149 00:08:13,536 --> 00:08:16,321 Yet the warden of Alcatraz, Paul Madigan, 150 00:08:16,365 --> 00:08:20,717 dismissed the warning, believing that Alcatraz was inescapable, 151 00:08:20,761 --> 00:08:24,547 and placed the brothers in neighboring cells. 152 00:08:28,682 --> 00:08:36,645 ♪ 153 00:08:36,690 --> 00:08:44,001 ♪ 154 00:08:44,044 --> 00:08:46,917 The primitive Baptist church and cemetery: 155 00:08:48,832 --> 00:08:50,965 an interesting setting for the first meeting between 156 00:08:51,008 --> 00:08:53,968 the Anglin family and the United States government. 157 00:08:55,839 --> 00:08:57,537 - KEN: This is it right here. 158 00:08:59,495 --> 00:09:01,628 This is where we're going to be meeting him. 159 00:09:01,671 --> 00:09:10,245 ♪ 160 00:09:10,288 --> 00:09:11,768 - KEN: Hard to believe this is where all the Anglins 161 00:09:11,812 --> 00:09:13,509 are buried. 162 00:09:13,553 --> 00:09:14,945 - DAVID: All but two. 163 00:09:16,556 --> 00:09:18,209 - KEN: I know it would definitely be good 164 00:09:18,253 --> 00:09:22,518 for our Mom and Aunt Merle. 165 00:09:22,562 --> 00:09:25,303 It would be, it would be closure for them. 166 00:09:25,347 --> 00:09:29,612 Why we didn't start this 25 years ago, it wasn't time. 167 00:09:29,656 --> 00:09:31,658 It's definitely time now. 168 00:09:32,963 --> 00:09:36,532 - For my Aunt Merle and my mom, they will know before 169 00:09:36,576 --> 00:09:40,318 they pass away what really happened to their brothers. 170 00:09:40,362 --> 00:09:47,325 ♪ 171 00:09:48,979 --> 00:09:51,808 - DAVID: Yup, this is it, Grandma and Granddaddy. 172 00:09:51,852 --> 00:09:52,983 - KEN: Wow. 173 00:09:54,768 --> 00:09:56,900 I wish that what we're going to show the Marshal, 174 00:09:56,944 --> 00:10:00,164 that we could show her. 175 00:10:00,208 --> 00:10:01,992 You sure we can trust this man? 176 00:10:04,212 --> 00:10:06,780 - No, I'm not sure. 177 00:10:06,823 --> 00:10:16,703 [suspenseful music] 178 00:10:16,746 --> 00:10:26,626 ♪ 179 00:10:26,669 --> 00:10:27,888 - DAVID: Art? 180 00:10:27,931 --> 00:10:29,324 - ART: Gentlemen. 181 00:10:29,367 --> 00:10:30,978 - David Widner. 182 00:10:31,021 --> 00:10:31,979 - ART: Good to finally see you. - DAVID: How are you doing? 183 00:10:32,022 --> 00:10:33,763 - Art, Ken Widner, nice to meet you. 184 00:10:33,807 --> 00:10:35,330 - ART: Good to meet you guys. 185 00:10:35,373 --> 00:10:39,203 - Well, you know, we asked you to come out here because, 186 00:10:39,247 --> 00:10:42,380 you look around, this is where all of the Anglin family 187 00:10:42,424 --> 00:10:43,555 are buried. 188 00:10:43,599 --> 00:10:45,253 Our grandmother, our grandfather. 189 00:10:45,296 --> 00:10:48,517 We've got uncles buried here, we have aunts buried here. 190 00:10:48,560 --> 00:10:50,301 All of the Anglin families are buried here except 191 00:10:50,345 --> 00:10:51,738 for two people. 192 00:10:51,781 --> 00:10:55,350 We want to be able to bring them back to the cemetery 193 00:10:55,393 --> 00:10:58,353 and bury them here, with their family. 194 00:10:58,396 --> 00:11:01,182 - Well, I mean, a lot of people have different theories. 195 00:11:01,225 --> 00:11:02,879 My theory is they never got out of the water. 196 00:11:02,923 --> 00:11:04,402 I don't think they made it. 197 00:11:05,665 --> 00:11:06,970 - We don't believe that. 198 00:11:07,014 --> 00:11:09,146 - KEN: Yeah, we don't believe that for a minute. 199 00:11:09,190 --> 00:11:11,366 What do they have today to show me that my uncles 200 00:11:11,409 --> 00:11:12,933 did not make it across? 201 00:11:12,976 --> 00:11:15,500 What do they have? They have nothing. 202 00:11:15,544 --> 00:11:18,242 - Take it from, from our perspective that we have never 203 00:11:18,286 --> 00:11:20,941 seen anything to say that they made it out of the water. 204 00:11:23,378 --> 00:11:25,685 We're working from that premise right there. 205 00:11:29,297 --> 00:11:30,733 - Well, I'll tell you what. 206 00:11:30,777 --> 00:11:33,780 What we're fixing to show you might help us get 207 00:11:33,823 --> 00:11:37,131 our uncles back here where they're supposed to be. 208 00:11:39,786 --> 00:11:43,093 - We're about to give you a new lead. 209 00:11:43,137 --> 00:11:44,529 - OK. 210 00:11:44,573 --> 00:11:45,617 - We'd like to show it to you. 211 00:11:45,661 --> 00:11:46,270 - Lead the way. 212 00:11:46,314 --> 00:11:47,794 - KEN: Let's go. 213 00:11:47,837 --> 00:11:54,714 ♪ 214 00:11:54,757 --> 00:11:55,845 - DAVID: We've got a couple of things that you might 215 00:11:55,889 --> 00:11:58,065 be interested in. 216 00:11:58,108 --> 00:12:01,633 What we have here is some Christmas cards from the boys, 217 00:12:01,677 --> 00:12:04,767 and as you can tell, every one of these cards has been 218 00:12:04,811 --> 00:12:08,423 marked and read as they left the prisons. 219 00:12:08,466 --> 00:12:09,946 That one. 220 00:12:12,253 --> 00:12:14,168 - ART: Okay, and that's their number there, right? 221 00:12:14,211 --> 00:12:15,778 - DAVID: That is their prison number. 222 00:12:15,822 --> 00:12:17,084 - ART: 25034. - KEN: Exactly. 223 00:12:17,127 --> 00:12:19,434 - DAVID: Our family received Christmas cards 224 00:12:19,477 --> 00:12:21,262 starting in 1962. 225 00:12:21,305 --> 00:12:22,524 - ART: Mhm. 226 00:12:22,567 --> 00:12:23,786 - DAVID: That just showed up in the mailbox, 227 00:12:23,830 --> 00:12:27,398 had not been through the post office. 228 00:12:27,442 --> 00:12:30,793 They're also signed by John and Clarence. 229 00:12:30,837 --> 00:12:32,316 Guess what? 230 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:34,101 There's no markings. 231 00:12:34,144 --> 00:12:36,364 - ART: And you're saying these two came after, 232 00:12:36,407 --> 00:12:37,582 after the escape. 233 00:12:37,626 --> 00:12:38,583 Post-escape. 234 00:12:38,627 --> 00:12:40,803 - DAVID: Exactly. 235 00:12:40,847 --> 00:12:47,244 [music] 236 00:12:47,288 --> 00:12:49,551 - NARRATOR: Ruskin, Florida. 237 00:12:49,594 --> 00:12:53,816 For the first time in 53 years, the family of Alcatraz escapees 238 00:12:53,860 --> 00:12:56,906 John and Clarence Anglin is sharing evidence with the 239 00:12:56,950 --> 00:13:00,605 United States Government to try and find out what happened 240 00:13:00,649 --> 00:13:04,958 to the brothers after they escaped from "the Rock" in 1962. 241 00:13:07,177 --> 00:13:08,309 - DAVID: We've got a couple of things that you 242 00:13:08,352 --> 00:13:10,702 might be interested in. 243 00:13:10,746 --> 00:13:13,575 What we have here is some Christmas cards from the boys 244 00:13:13,618 --> 00:13:15,795 that just showed up in the mailbox, had not been 245 00:13:15,838 --> 00:13:17,840 through the post office. 246 00:13:17,884 --> 00:13:21,235 - ART: And these two came after, after the escape. 247 00:13:21,278 --> 00:13:22,453 Post-escape. 248 00:13:22,497 --> 00:13:23,628 - DAVID: Exactly. 249 00:13:23,672 --> 00:13:25,979 - Every year, no matter where they were, 250 00:13:26,022 --> 00:13:29,025 John and Clarence always sent Christmas cards. 251 00:13:29,069 --> 00:13:32,550 For three years after they escaped, my grandmother 252 00:13:32,594 --> 00:13:36,598 and grandfather continued to get cards signed, 253 00:13:36,641 --> 00:13:38,861 "John and Clarence." 254 00:13:38,905 --> 00:13:42,647 - Well, yeah, the problem is it's hard to verify these 255 00:13:42,691 --> 00:13:46,390 came after the escape in '62. 256 00:13:47,914 --> 00:13:52,179 I mean, I know you're telling me this, but, you know, 257 00:13:52,222 --> 00:13:54,703 you gotta show me something better than you just 258 00:13:54,746 --> 00:13:57,662 telling me that they showed up in the mailbox in, 259 00:13:57,706 --> 00:14:00,840 in '62, '63, and '64. 260 00:14:00,883 --> 00:14:02,189 - Well we actually do have something else. 261 00:14:02,232 --> 00:14:04,060 - Okay. Alright. 262 00:14:05,366 --> 00:14:08,064 - So I want to start off and I want to show you something. 263 00:14:09,718 --> 00:14:13,113 1992, a friend of the family gave us this photograph. 264 00:14:17,944 --> 00:14:20,381 - DAVID: That's for comparison there. 265 00:14:26,735 --> 00:14:29,520 - KEN: Those two men look familiar to you? 266 00:14:32,872 --> 00:14:34,134 - ART: Hmm. 267 00:14:35,875 --> 00:14:38,181 - I think that Art thought that he's probably wasting his time 268 00:14:38,225 --> 00:14:42,185 coming down to talk to us but once I handed him that picture, 269 00:14:42,229 --> 00:14:44,971 I think a light bulb went off in his head. 270 00:14:45,014 --> 00:14:47,974 - I got a photograph that might help jog your memory. 271 00:14:48,017 --> 00:14:50,759 - So he's saying that those are your uncles right there? 272 00:14:50,802 --> 00:14:52,239 - KEN: Look at that photograph there. 273 00:14:52,282 --> 00:14:53,718 - ART: Yeah. 274 00:14:53,762 --> 00:14:55,459 - KEN: And look at photograph there and you tell me. 275 00:14:56,243 --> 00:14:57,635 - Are you surprised? 276 00:14:57,679 --> 00:15:00,290 - Yeah. Uh, uh, yes. 277 00:15:00,334 --> 00:15:02,902 I'm surprised. 278 00:15:04,555 --> 00:15:06,209 My mind's already flowing. 279 00:15:06,253 --> 00:15:08,777 I basically didn't even hear what they were saying to me 280 00:15:08,820 --> 00:15:10,474 after I saw that stuff. 281 00:15:10,518 --> 00:15:13,913 And I'm thinking, immediately, "What are we going to do here?" 282 00:15:13,956 --> 00:15:17,568 - NARRATOR: For the lawman, the picture could prove revelatory. 283 00:15:17,612 --> 00:15:20,658 If it withstands forensic analysis, everything we've 284 00:15:20,702 --> 00:15:24,880 known about the 1962 escape would be turned on its head. 285 00:15:28,536 --> 00:15:32,235 - They're always wanting to say these boys didn't make it. 286 00:15:32,279 --> 00:15:34,759 They drowned, they got washed out to sea. 287 00:15:34,803 --> 00:15:37,675 Well, this picture proves differently. 288 00:15:37,719 --> 00:15:41,679 This is what they've been looking for, for a long time. 289 00:15:41,723 --> 00:15:44,117 - I would like to take this stuff out to Northern California 290 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:47,511 and meet with Mike Dyke who is the active case agent. 291 00:15:47,555 --> 00:15:51,907 - Oh, we know Mike Dyke, and we don't trust him. 292 00:15:51,951 --> 00:15:54,388 - KEN: This material is not leaving our possession. 293 00:15:57,521 --> 00:15:59,045 - OK. 294 00:15:59,088 --> 00:16:01,264 - So we're going with you. 295 00:16:01,308 --> 00:16:02,483 - OK. 296 00:16:04,354 --> 00:16:06,487 - NARRATOR: Michael Dyke has been the lead investigator on 297 00:16:06,530 --> 00:16:09,620 the Alcatraz escape for the last 12 years, 298 00:16:09,664 --> 00:16:13,363 a case that remains open for the U.S. Marshals Service. 299 00:16:13,407 --> 00:16:16,845 - Every case is open until we close it by either arrest 300 00:16:16,888 --> 00:16:20,675 or someone reaches the age of 99 or the court decides 301 00:16:20,718 --> 00:16:23,025 to dismiss the warrant. 302 00:16:23,069 --> 00:16:25,636 If we did find them they would be still arrested because 303 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:29,814 they still, believe it or not, owe time to the government. 304 00:16:29,858 --> 00:16:31,991 - NARRATOR: Dyke's single greatest lead in the Alcatraz 305 00:16:32,034 --> 00:16:35,777 case are bones that washed up in San Francisco Bay nine months 306 00:16:35,820 --> 00:16:37,779 after the escape. 307 00:16:37,822 --> 00:16:40,695 Statistical records show that two out of every three people 308 00:16:40,738 --> 00:16:43,089 who go missing in San Francisco Bay 309 00:16:43,132 --> 00:16:46,179 will eventually be found, which leads Dyke to a 310 00:16:46,222 --> 00:16:49,051 possible conclusion in his case. 311 00:16:49,095 --> 00:16:51,575 - These bones were believed to possibly be one 312 00:16:51,619 --> 00:16:54,839 of the escapees but never could be proven because of 313 00:16:54,883 --> 00:16:57,581 DNA evidence at the time. 314 00:16:57,625 --> 00:17:01,150 - NARRATOR: In 2010, Dyke tested family DNA from the 315 00:17:01,194 --> 00:17:05,633 third escapee, Frank Morris, against the washed up bones. 316 00:17:05,675 --> 00:17:08,679 But his efforts proved inconclusive. 317 00:17:08,723 --> 00:17:11,551 - About the same time I started working on DNA reference 318 00:17:11,595 --> 00:17:14,685 samples for the Morris family, I also contacted, uh, 319 00:17:14,729 --> 00:17:16,296 members of the Anglin family. 320 00:17:16,339 --> 00:17:19,646 I did have a face to face meeting with them in 2012 321 00:17:19,690 --> 00:17:24,608 and they flat out refused to provide a reference sample. 322 00:17:24,652 --> 00:17:25,608 - No. 323 00:17:25,653 --> 00:17:27,611 You know, no and hell no. 324 00:17:29,048 --> 00:17:32,181 We told Marshal Dyke that we would be willing to do it, 325 00:17:32,225 --> 00:17:35,924 only if we could do it on our terms and he didn't like that. 326 00:17:37,491 --> 00:17:40,450 - The Anglin family has had this long, 327 00:17:40,494 --> 00:17:43,627 drawn out period of mistrust, uh, mostly because of the way 328 00:17:43,671 --> 00:17:45,629 they feel that they were treated by the FBI 329 00:17:45,673 --> 00:17:47,805 at the time of the escape. 330 00:17:47,849 --> 00:17:51,505 The FBI was very aggressive in their investigation at the time 331 00:17:51,548 --> 00:17:54,464 because, you know, it was a very big deal. 332 00:17:54,508 --> 00:17:57,859 I've been very generous as far as not bothering them 333 00:17:57,902 --> 00:17:59,904 very much at all. 334 00:17:59,948 --> 00:18:02,472 - I know he's trying to close this case, 335 00:18:02,516 --> 00:18:04,996 but he wants to close it on his terms. 336 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:07,086 He wants to be the hero. 337 00:18:07,129 --> 00:18:08,348 Well, guess what? 338 00:18:08,391 --> 00:18:10,785 He's not gonna be the guy that saved the day. 339 00:18:10,828 --> 00:18:14,484 He's not gonna get anything unless we give it to him. 340 00:18:14,528 --> 00:18:23,058 [music] 341 00:18:23,102 --> 00:18:26,105 - NARRATOR: Art, Ken and David arrive in the Bay Area, 342 00:18:26,148 --> 00:18:29,151 minutes away from a meeting with Marshal Dyke. 343 00:18:29,195 --> 00:18:31,153 For the brothers, who've have had years of run-ins 344 00:18:31,197 --> 00:18:33,764 with the marshal, entering Dyke's office 345 00:18:33,808 --> 00:18:37,072 is like walking into enemy territory, 346 00:18:37,116 --> 00:18:39,901 and they have no idea how he will react 347 00:18:39,944 --> 00:18:41,511 to their new evidence. 348 00:18:45,515 --> 00:18:46,821 - ART: What do you think? 349 00:18:46,864 --> 00:18:48,170 What do you think is going to happen today? 350 00:18:48,214 --> 00:18:50,085 - I'm a little apprehensive about this, 351 00:18:50,129 --> 00:18:52,348 I'm going to be honest with you, because if he tries 352 00:18:52,392 --> 00:18:55,525 to grab what we have, and cut us out of this, 353 00:18:55,569 --> 00:18:57,397 I'm not going to be very happy about it. 354 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:00,748 - He could legally do that, but I think the difference is 355 00:19:00,791 --> 00:19:02,924 you're cooperating with us now. 356 00:19:02,967 --> 00:19:06,057 I think that's gonna, he's gonna have a different tune 357 00:19:06,101 --> 00:19:08,016 when we sit down at this meeting. 358 00:19:08,059 --> 00:19:10,366 - DAVID: You know, my biggest fear is that he wants to 359 00:19:10,410 --> 00:19:14,283 close the case and him be the cowboy to save the day. 360 00:19:15,893 --> 00:19:17,112 - DYKE: Art, how ya doing? 361 00:19:17,156 --> 00:19:18,113 - ART: Good to see you man. 362 00:19:18,157 --> 00:19:19,027 - DYKE: Ken, how you doing? 363 00:19:19,070 --> 00:19:20,202 - KEN: Good to see you again. 364 00:19:20,246 --> 00:19:21,203 - DYKE: David, good to see you again. 365 00:19:21,247 --> 00:19:22,726 - DAVID: Good to see you. 366 00:19:22,770 --> 00:19:25,773 - Come on in the office over here. 367 00:19:25,816 --> 00:19:28,776 - Uh, Mike, as you're very familiar with this case, 368 00:19:28,819 --> 00:19:30,560 it's 53 years old. 369 00:19:30,604 --> 00:19:33,737 The difference is now is that we have the cooperation of the 370 00:19:33,781 --> 00:19:36,087 family, which wasn't there before... 371 00:19:36,131 --> 00:19:38,307 - I appreciate that, that's what I've been looking for. 372 00:19:38,351 --> 00:19:41,049 I recovered those bones about five years ago and I've been 373 00:19:41,092 --> 00:19:44,357 just looking for any sample I can get to compare it to either 374 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:46,837 Morris or the Anglin brothers so I really appreciate 375 00:19:46,881 --> 00:19:48,665 any help you can give me on it. 376 00:19:48,709 --> 00:19:51,451 - Well, we know you want the DNA. 377 00:19:53,148 --> 00:19:56,586 You've been trying to get it for two or three years now. 378 00:19:56,630 --> 00:20:00,068 We got something we want. 379 00:20:00,111 --> 00:20:02,157 We would like to have Alfred exhumed, 380 00:20:02,201 --> 00:20:04,203 to find out how he died. 381 00:20:06,335 --> 00:20:12,428 Alfred is another key to what really happened to 382 00:20:12,472 --> 00:20:13,995 John and Clarence. 383 00:20:21,220 --> 00:20:23,613 - NARRATOR: Brothers David and Ken Widner are the nephews 384 00:20:23,657 --> 00:20:27,226 of Alcatraz escapees John and Clarence Anglin. 385 00:20:27,269 --> 00:20:30,185 They are meeting with United States Marshal Michael Dyke, 386 00:20:30,229 --> 00:20:32,927 lead investigator of the Alcatraz case, 387 00:20:32,970 --> 00:20:35,582 and have just asked the marshal to exhume the body 388 00:20:35,625 --> 00:20:38,367 of another uncle, Alfred, a brother to the 389 00:20:38,411 --> 00:20:40,935 legendary escapees. 390 00:20:40,978 --> 00:20:43,285 - I've been wanting this answer since I was a kid. 391 00:20:46,419 --> 00:20:50,205 - DYKE: Alfred Anglin is John and Clarence Anglin's brother. 392 00:20:50,249 --> 00:20:53,556 All three of them, uh, robbed a bank in Columbia, Alabama 393 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:55,297 in 1958. 394 00:20:55,341 --> 00:20:57,995 John and Clarence ended up in Alcatraz. 395 00:20:58,039 --> 00:21:00,389 Alfred ended up serving concurrent state time in 396 00:21:00,433 --> 00:21:02,870 Alabama Penitentiary. 397 00:21:02,913 --> 00:21:05,307 A little bit more than a year after the Alcatraz escape, 398 00:21:05,351 --> 00:21:08,092 Alfred tried an escape of his own. 399 00:21:08,136 --> 00:21:11,835 He and another inmate gathered some tools, hacksaw blades, 400 00:21:11,879 --> 00:21:15,622 and were able to saw at some bars and climbed out the window. 401 00:21:15,665 --> 00:21:17,841 And there was a high voltage power line there. 402 00:21:17,885 --> 00:21:20,583 He accidentally hit the high voltage line 403 00:21:20,627 --> 00:21:22,716 and electrocuted himself to death. 404 00:21:24,370 --> 00:21:26,328 That is the official cause of death. 405 00:21:26,372 --> 00:21:31,290 A coroner did do an inquiry, and they couldn't find any 406 00:21:31,333 --> 00:21:33,988 other evidence of death other than electrocution. 407 00:21:36,382 --> 00:21:38,427 - It didn't happen the way they said it happened. 408 00:21:38,471 --> 00:21:40,429 We don't believe that. 409 00:21:40,473 --> 00:21:45,913 - Uncle Robert went down and he ID'd the body 410 00:21:45,956 --> 00:21:48,698 and the funeral director told him, this man had not been 411 00:21:48,742 --> 00:21:51,571 electrocuted, he had been beaten to death. 412 00:21:52,180 --> 00:21:55,792 - My mom and dad was the last ones to see Alfred alive. 413 00:21:55,836 --> 00:22:01,972 When they visited him in Kilby Prison in 1963 at Christmas, 414 00:22:02,016 --> 00:22:05,498 he told them, "I know where they're at. 415 00:22:05,541 --> 00:22:07,630 "I'm coming up for parole. 416 00:22:07,674 --> 00:22:10,938 When I get out I'm going to meet 'em." 417 00:22:10,981 --> 00:22:13,070 11 days later he was dead. 418 00:22:15,029 --> 00:22:16,813 - NARRATOR: The shocking revelation from Alfred that 419 00:22:16,857 --> 00:22:19,729 he knew his brothers not only survived the water crossing 420 00:22:19,773 --> 00:22:23,690 at Alcatraz, but were living somewhere as free men, 421 00:22:23,733 --> 00:22:26,388 is the reason the Anglin family believes a vast government 422 00:22:26,432 --> 00:22:29,609 conspiracy has been forever at play. 423 00:22:31,262 --> 00:22:35,963 - In the family's mind, they had that table bugged 424 00:22:36,006 --> 00:22:39,401 and they knew that he knew where they were. 425 00:22:39,445 --> 00:22:42,273 And the family really believes that they beat him to death 426 00:22:42,317 --> 00:22:45,102 trying to get him to tell them where them boys were. 427 00:22:46,626 --> 00:22:48,889 - NARRATOR: For David and Ken, there's only one way 428 00:22:48,932 --> 00:22:52,675 to resolve their family's long-standing questions. 429 00:22:52,719 --> 00:22:56,636 - DAVID: I'm proposing to them if they dig Alfred up 430 00:22:56,679 --> 00:23:00,596 and find out how he really died, then they can have 431 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:02,206 the DNA from Alfred. 432 00:23:04,470 --> 00:23:07,777 We want the truth. 433 00:23:07,821 --> 00:23:10,432 - Um, we can make arrangements, to, uh, 434 00:23:10,476 --> 00:23:14,393 have Alfred exhumed and an autopsy done on him 435 00:23:14,436 --> 00:23:17,004 and, uh, they can look and see if there's a cause of death 436 00:23:17,047 --> 00:23:18,614 other than electrocution. 437 00:23:18,658 --> 00:23:20,921 - Sounds like a plan. 438 00:23:20,964 --> 00:23:22,444 - The exhumation of Alfred Anglin, I think, 439 00:23:22,488 --> 00:23:24,011 solves two things. 440 00:23:24,054 --> 00:23:26,883 I mean, number one, we're going to get great DNA samples. 441 00:23:26,927 --> 00:23:30,060 The most actionable lead that the Marshals Service has 442 00:23:30,104 --> 00:23:33,150 right now is the bones that washed up on the beach 443 00:23:33,194 --> 00:23:34,804 back in '63. 444 00:23:34,848 --> 00:23:39,200 And up to this point, the family has not made available any DNA 445 00:23:39,243 --> 00:23:41,898 to be compared to the sample that they have from the bones 446 00:23:41,942 --> 00:23:43,726 that they discovered. 447 00:23:43,770 --> 00:23:47,338 Number two, if we do find some trauma to the body that looks 448 00:23:47,382 --> 00:23:49,819 like he was beaten to death, then obviously that's going 449 00:23:49,863 --> 00:23:51,299 to be big news. 450 00:23:51,342 --> 00:23:53,170 I mean, it's a homicide case. 451 00:23:53,214 --> 00:23:56,304 Might be 52 years old, but it's still a homicide case. 452 00:23:56,347 --> 00:23:59,438 Any connection to the Anglin family at all and any 453 00:23:59,481 --> 00:24:03,050 connection back to Alcatraz is gonna' be big news. 454 00:24:03,093 --> 00:24:05,313 - NARRATOR: With a deal in place, it's time for David 455 00:24:05,356 --> 00:24:09,012 and Ken to present their new evidence to the active marshal. 456 00:24:09,056 --> 00:24:11,580 - Well, I'm sure that you've heard all the stories 457 00:24:11,624 --> 00:24:15,323 and you know that the family received some Christmas cards 458 00:24:15,366 --> 00:24:17,368 after the escape. 459 00:24:17,412 --> 00:24:21,024 - I have heard that and, uh, I'd love to see those 460 00:24:21,068 --> 00:24:22,243 if you have them. 461 00:24:22,286 --> 00:24:23,200 - DAVID: Well, I would like to show you. 462 00:24:23,244 --> 00:24:24,245 - DYKE: OK. 463 00:24:25,507 --> 00:24:26,943 - DAVID: They did not come in an envelope. 464 00:24:26,987 --> 00:24:29,511 They were placed in the mailbox. 465 00:24:29,555 --> 00:24:31,731 Do you think the handwriting looks similar? 466 00:24:35,212 --> 00:24:37,824 - Uh, John's name is really close... 467 00:24:42,742 --> 00:24:45,309 and so is Clarence's name, but, you know, handwriting is 468 00:24:45,353 --> 00:24:47,790 a lot more than just looking at letters or spacing. 469 00:24:47,834 --> 00:24:49,357 There's pen pressure. 470 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:50,924 There's a lot of different things involved with handwriting 471 00:24:50,967 --> 00:24:53,404 samples, but is there a way to prove that these came 472 00:24:53,448 --> 00:24:55,363 after the escape? 473 00:24:58,453 --> 00:25:01,021 That's what I would be really interested in finding out, so... 474 00:25:02,501 --> 00:25:04,633 - Yeah, the only thing I figured was possibly looking 475 00:25:04,677 --> 00:25:06,243 at when the cards were made. 476 00:25:06,287 --> 00:25:07,593 - DYKE: Yeah. 477 00:25:09,203 --> 00:25:11,161 - We also have some other items. 478 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:19,474 - These items were given to the family in 1992 479 00:25:19,518 --> 00:25:23,478 by a family friend that actually grew up with the brothers. 480 00:25:23,522 --> 00:25:24,305 - DYKE: OK. 481 00:25:24,348 --> 00:25:26,002 - John and Clarence. 482 00:25:26,046 --> 00:25:31,355 And in 1975, he took this photograph. 483 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:38,406 Thought maybe you might be interested in that one. 484 00:25:41,496 --> 00:25:43,498 - Yes, I am. 485 00:25:45,456 --> 00:25:50,113 [music] 486 00:25:50,157 --> 00:25:52,594 - NARRATOR: Inside the secure walls of San Francisco's 487 00:25:52,638 --> 00:25:55,554 Federal Building, the lead investigator on the Alcatraz 488 00:25:55,597 --> 00:25:59,253 escape case, U.S. Marshal Michael Dyke, has just 489 00:25:59,296 --> 00:26:02,691 seen something that may prove incredible. 490 00:26:02,735 --> 00:26:04,780 - KEN: Thought maybe you might be interested in that one. 491 00:26:06,390 --> 00:26:08,610 - Yes, I am. 492 00:26:09,698 --> 00:26:11,918 - NARRATOR: Brothers David and Ken Widner are the nephews of 493 00:26:11,961 --> 00:26:15,486 two of the three Alcatraz escapees, and are showing the 494 00:26:15,530 --> 00:26:19,012 marshal family evidence that they say is their uncles, 495 00:26:19,055 --> 00:26:24,626 John and Clarence Anglin, alive years after the 1962 escape. 496 00:26:24,670 --> 00:26:26,715 - DAVID: You think you recognize them? 497 00:26:29,544 --> 00:26:34,070 - Uh, they look like they could possibly be John and Clarence. 498 00:26:35,245 --> 00:26:37,857 - DAVID: In 1975. 499 00:26:39,902 --> 00:26:43,819 - KEN: We put together another series of photographs that does 500 00:26:43,863 --> 00:26:48,302 some comparisons with their Alcatraz, and some of the 501 00:26:48,345 --> 00:26:49,564 family photographs. 502 00:26:49,608 --> 00:26:51,044 - DYKE: Mmm hmm. 503 00:26:51,087 --> 00:26:52,872 - And you can see in Clarence, you look at the hairline, 504 00:26:52,915 --> 00:26:56,658 the hairline is exactly the same to all 505 00:26:56,702 --> 00:27:01,184 of his photographs including his mug shot in Alcatraz. 506 00:27:01,228 --> 00:27:04,579 You look at his jaw line, exactly the same. 507 00:27:04,623 --> 00:27:06,755 - There's a lot of similarities here. 508 00:27:06,799 --> 00:27:08,670 - And that was 1975. 509 00:27:08,714 --> 00:27:11,499 - And then who gave you the photo? 510 00:27:11,542 --> 00:27:13,327 A family friend you said gave you the photo, right? 511 00:27:13,370 --> 00:27:14,676 - Yes. 512 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:15,677 - Now when they sent you the photo, did they claim 513 00:27:15,721 --> 00:27:16,765 it was John and Clarence? 514 00:27:16,809 --> 00:27:17,723 - Yes. 515 00:27:17,766 --> 00:27:20,073 - They did claim that. Okay. 516 00:27:20,116 --> 00:27:24,077 And they say where the photo was taken? 517 00:27:24,120 --> 00:27:24,904 - Brazil. 518 00:27:24,947 --> 00:27:25,948 - DYKE: Brazil? 519 00:27:25,992 --> 00:27:27,515 - On their farm that they owned. 520 00:27:27,558 --> 00:27:29,125 - Okay. 521 00:27:29,169 --> 00:27:32,433 - Which is very interesting because, um, in the early 90s 522 00:27:32,476 --> 00:27:35,436 I took a phone call from a male, relayed basically 523 00:27:35,479 --> 00:27:37,351 that story to me. 524 00:27:37,394 --> 00:27:39,048 - That he saw them in Brazil? 525 00:27:39,092 --> 00:27:40,746 - He saw them in Brazil on a farm. 526 00:27:40,789 --> 00:27:42,095 - Okay. 527 00:27:42,138 --> 00:27:43,879 - But, at that point in time it really wasn't 528 00:27:43,923 --> 00:27:45,098 actionable enough. 529 00:27:45,141 --> 00:27:46,447 - Okay. 530 00:27:46,490 --> 00:27:47,840 - But that phone call always stuck in my head 531 00:27:47,883 --> 00:27:48,754 all these years. 532 00:27:48,797 --> 00:27:50,320 - Okay. 533 00:27:50,364 --> 00:27:52,148 I have had a lot of photos sent to me from various people 534 00:27:52,192 --> 00:27:53,497 everywhere. 535 00:27:53,541 --> 00:27:55,108 And I've never seen this photo just so you know. 536 00:27:55,151 --> 00:27:56,326 - Well, we actually have some other photographs. 537 00:27:56,370 --> 00:27:57,284 - Do you? 538 00:27:57,327 --> 00:27:58,024 I would love to see them. 539 00:27:58,067 --> 00:27:59,155 [laughs] 540 00:27:59,199 --> 00:28:01,505 Anything you have is always helpful. 541 00:28:01,549 --> 00:28:04,770 - Okay, how about a picture of their farm? 542 00:28:12,081 --> 00:28:13,779 - Same color soil... 543 00:28:16,172 --> 00:28:17,913 and this does not look like American. 544 00:28:17,957 --> 00:28:20,873 Electricity pole and everything doesn't look like American. 545 00:28:20,916 --> 00:28:23,049 A family friend you said gave you the photo. 546 00:28:23,092 --> 00:28:25,094 Obviously you have his name. 547 00:28:25,138 --> 00:28:26,879 - That is Fred Brizzi. 548 00:28:29,316 --> 00:28:30,621 Fred Brizzi. 549 00:28:30,665 --> 00:28:32,711 He was a family friend of the boys growing up. 550 00:28:35,888 --> 00:28:39,413 - KEN: Fred Brizzi grew up with the brothers. 551 00:28:40,719 --> 00:28:44,592 They actually lived on a river called the Alafia River. 552 00:28:44,635 --> 00:28:49,466 So, as children, Fred and John and Clarence and Alfred, 553 00:28:49,510 --> 00:28:52,948 they all played together out in the water, swimming, 554 00:28:52,992 --> 00:28:55,734 cutting up, so he grew up with 'em. 555 00:29:02,828 --> 00:29:05,874 - NARRATOR: As Brizzi and the Anglin boys grew into men, 556 00:29:05,918 --> 00:29:08,703 the family claims they all remained friends, 557 00:29:08,747 --> 00:29:11,532 even as the Anglins took to a life of crime, 558 00:29:11,575 --> 00:29:14,709 spending time in the federal penitentiary system. 559 00:29:16,798 --> 00:29:21,585 In 1992, 30 years after the Alcatraz escape, their childhood 560 00:29:21,629 --> 00:29:25,067 friend unexpectedly reached out to the Anglin family, 561 00:29:25,111 --> 00:29:27,635 asking for a meeting. 562 00:29:28,767 --> 00:29:31,247 And when he arrived at the family compound, 563 00:29:31,291 --> 00:29:34,207 Brizzi shared a wild, sensational story 564 00:29:34,250 --> 00:29:36,600 with the entire Anglin clan. 565 00:29:40,126 --> 00:29:44,434 - In 1975, he went down to Brazil, and he went to a bar 566 00:29:44,478 --> 00:29:46,915 right outside of Rio. 567 00:29:46,959 --> 00:29:52,268 He said he had just sat down and all of a sudden he said 568 00:29:52,312 --> 00:29:55,794 an American came into the bar and he went, 569 00:29:55,837 --> 00:29:59,145 "My God, I know that man." 570 00:30:00,276 --> 00:30:02,191 - And he said the guy got up, walked to the bathroom 571 00:30:02,235 --> 00:30:04,977 and he stopped him. 572 00:30:06,021 --> 00:30:08,763 - KEN: He said, "John." 573 00:30:08,807 --> 00:30:10,243 - DAVID: "You remember me?" 574 00:30:10,286 --> 00:30:12,158 - KEN: John turned around and looked at him and said, 575 00:30:12,201 --> 00:30:14,203 - DAVID: "Yeah, you look familiar." 576 00:30:14,247 --> 00:30:16,858 - KEN: And he said, "I'm Fred, Fred Brizzi." 577 00:30:16,902 --> 00:30:19,687 And he said John went, "Oh my God." 578 00:30:22,603 --> 00:30:24,561 - NARRATOR: Brizzi told the family that after their 579 00:30:24,605 --> 00:30:28,130 escape from Alcatraz, the Anglin brothers had become farmers 580 00:30:28,174 --> 00:30:31,351 in the Brazilian countryside, and allowed their long-time 581 00:30:31,394 --> 00:30:35,355 friend to shoot a few pictures of their adopted home. 582 00:30:36,660 --> 00:30:38,010 - KEN: We have a picture of the house. 583 00:30:38,053 --> 00:30:40,490 We have a picture of the mountain ranges where this 584 00:30:40,534 --> 00:30:46,061 house is located at, of a river that runs through their property 585 00:30:46,105 --> 00:30:48,020 and then he took a picture of them. 586 00:30:49,717 --> 00:30:52,067 - I think that the boys wanted him to bring that 587 00:30:52,111 --> 00:30:53,721 picture back to the family. 588 00:30:56,245 --> 00:30:57,594 - He was telling my mom and them, he said, 589 00:30:57,638 --> 00:30:59,988 "I just want you all to know. 590 00:31:00,032 --> 00:31:03,557 They wanted me to tell you, do not worry about them." 591 00:31:07,039 --> 00:31:10,172 I have no doubt Fred Brizzi was telling the truth 592 00:31:10,216 --> 00:31:13,567 and I have photographs to prove what he said. 593 00:31:15,308 --> 00:31:18,398 - NARRATOR: Brizzi's tale is a bit much to take on face value, 594 00:31:18,441 --> 00:31:21,923 but testing the photos could verify its truth. 595 00:31:21,967 --> 00:31:24,795 - What I like is obviously he grew up with them, 596 00:31:24,839 --> 00:31:26,972 so he played with them as a kid. 597 00:31:27,015 --> 00:31:31,193 There's a long connective history there. 598 00:31:31,237 --> 00:31:33,456 - These photographs are promising and I'd like to really 599 00:31:33,500 --> 00:31:35,415 look into this one some more. 600 00:31:35,458 --> 00:31:37,504 And is there a possibility I could get photocopies 601 00:31:37,547 --> 00:31:40,072 or photograph copies of each of these things 602 00:31:40,115 --> 00:31:43,597 and, and that way I can do also do my own research into it? 603 00:31:45,991 --> 00:31:47,253 - We would like to do everything with an 604 00:31:47,296 --> 00:31:48,776 independent group. 605 00:31:48,819 --> 00:31:52,998 Just so we can come back and as this trust is being 606 00:31:53,041 --> 00:31:54,782 built between us. 607 00:31:54,825 --> 00:31:56,218 - I understand. 608 00:31:56,262 --> 00:31:58,742 I'm not doing anything on my investigation to violate 609 00:31:58,786 --> 00:32:00,396 that at all. 610 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,399 Everything I'm really doing is up and up and up in the front. 611 00:32:03,443 --> 00:32:05,271 - Well what if I was to tell you that we got something 612 00:32:05,314 --> 00:32:07,229 to back those photographs up? 613 00:32:07,273 --> 00:32:10,493 - OK, anything you have would be wonderful. 614 00:32:16,717 --> 00:32:28,685 [playing tape recording] 615 00:32:28,729 --> 00:32:40,697 [playing tape recording] 616 00:32:40,741 --> 00:32:52,535 [playing tape recording] 617 00:32:53,493 --> 00:32:55,147 - DAVID: Now, we... 618 00:32:55,190 --> 00:32:56,844 - That's Mr. Brizzi? 619 00:32:56,887 --> 00:32:58,715 - DAVID: ...need to have this cleaned up a little bit... 620 00:32:58,759 --> 00:32:59,673 - DYKE: Yeah. 621 00:32:59,716 --> 00:33:00,674 - ...but that's Fred Brizzi. 622 00:33:00,717 --> 00:33:02,023 - Okay. 623 00:33:02,067 --> 00:33:04,460 - And it was recorded off of that tape recorder. 624 00:33:04,504 --> 00:33:08,508 That's my mom sitting right beside Brizzi. 625 00:33:09,770 --> 00:33:11,032 - NARRATOR: Both Dyke and Roderick realize the 626 00:33:11,076 --> 00:33:14,166 magnitude of the recording. 627 00:33:14,209 --> 00:33:16,995 Not only does it provide more context for the incredible 628 00:33:17,038 --> 00:33:20,955 photographs, but Brizzi's story on tape seems to state that 629 00:33:20,999 --> 00:33:25,481 the Alcatraz escapees neither swam nor paddled off the island, 630 00:33:25,525 --> 00:33:30,138 but were, in fact, somehow towed to freedom. 631 00:33:31,748 --> 00:33:38,712 [tape recording playing] 632 00:33:38,755 --> 00:33:46,198 [tape recording playing] 633 00:33:47,851 --> 00:33:49,723 - This here is something that I know I want to look 634 00:33:49,766 --> 00:33:52,291 into a lot more. 635 00:33:53,901 --> 00:33:55,685 - NARRATOR: The new evidence the brothers have introduced 636 00:33:55,729 --> 00:33:58,732 are the first new leads since the escape. 637 00:33:58,775 --> 00:34:01,039 - The Brizzi story is pretty incredible about 638 00:34:01,082 --> 00:34:03,476 how he just, all of a sudden, bumped into them 639 00:34:03,519 --> 00:34:06,392 down in Rio de Janeiro. 640 00:34:06,435 --> 00:34:10,309 But what lends some credence to the, to the story is the 641 00:34:10,351 --> 00:34:13,877 evidence that we're provided in the form of the photographs. 642 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,315 From this point on we're going to have to really 643 00:34:16,358 --> 00:34:19,100 dive into Brizzi's background and his connection 644 00:34:19,143 --> 00:34:21,275 to the family members. 645 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,583 - NARRATOR: Walking out of the office, David and Ken are 646 00:34:23,626 --> 00:34:27,108 certain of only one thing: their Uncle Alfred will soon 647 00:34:27,152 --> 00:34:29,980 be lifted from the ground, a development that will 648 00:34:30,024 --> 00:34:33,027 not only help move the Alcatraz case forward, but will 649 00:34:33,071 --> 00:34:36,465 also solve a conspiracy the family insists was 650 00:34:36,509 --> 00:34:40,078 behind his death in 1964. 651 00:34:40,121 --> 00:34:42,993 - KEN: 51 years my grandfather wanted this done. 652 00:34:43,036 --> 00:34:46,388 He didn't have the ability to do it and now the Marshal Services 653 00:34:46,431 --> 00:34:49,609 are offering to do it for us and we're going to close that 654 00:34:49,652 --> 00:34:52,612 part of our case, which is really the family's case. 655 00:34:54,527 --> 00:34:57,051 - NARRATOR: The wheels in motion thanks to their evidence, 656 00:34:57,094 --> 00:35:00,010 the brothers figure there's only one place they need to visit 657 00:35:00,054 --> 00:35:04,928 in San Francisco, the former, temporary home of their uncles: 658 00:35:04,972 --> 00:35:07,148 659 00:35:09,933 --> 00:35:20,118 [music] 660 00:35:20,161 --> 00:35:21,641 - NARRATOR: John and Clarence Anglin were 661 00:35:21,684 --> 00:35:26,907 Alcatraz inmates 1476 and 1485 respectively, 662 00:35:26,950 --> 00:35:30,128 but who were these men and how did they get off the Rock? 663 00:35:33,566 --> 00:35:36,177 Much of the ingenuity of their feat is credited 664 00:35:36,221 --> 00:35:40,050 to the third escapee, Frank Morris, whose IQ was 665 00:35:40,094 --> 00:35:43,445 apparently measured at 133, a figure that placed him 666 00:35:43,489 --> 00:35:46,144 in the top 3% of the population. 667 00:35:47,928 --> 00:35:50,757 And while the escape and its planning was a collective effort 668 00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:54,195 that included Morris, the Anglin boys played a central role 669 00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:56,545 in helping craft the plan. 670 00:35:56,589 --> 00:35:59,244 - That's one of the things that always makes me so mad. 671 00:35:59,287 --> 00:36:02,812 I hear all the stories about, oh, Frank Morris, you know, 672 00:36:02,856 --> 00:36:04,205 had a high IQ. 673 00:36:04,249 --> 00:36:06,207 He's the one who came up with this plan, 674 00:36:06,251 --> 00:36:09,645 and the Anglin brothers, they were dumb farm hicks 675 00:36:09,689 --> 00:36:11,995 with a third grade education. 676 00:36:12,039 --> 00:36:14,346 They didn't know what they were doing. 677 00:36:14,389 --> 00:36:17,000 And I don't believe that for a moment. 678 00:36:17,044 --> 00:36:19,786 - Growing up, Mom said they could make anything 679 00:36:19,829 --> 00:36:21,483 out of nothing. 680 00:36:21,527 --> 00:36:25,183 - KEN: They were the MacGyvers of the 1950s. 681 00:36:28,229 --> 00:36:31,145 - NARRATOR: Over the course of 15 months, the Anglins tapped 682 00:36:31,189 --> 00:36:34,757 into their resourcefulness, creatively assembling the assets 683 00:36:34,801 --> 00:36:38,283 they would need to escape Alcatraz undetected. 684 00:36:40,328 --> 00:36:44,637 - We've read in the files that 52 raincoats were missing. 685 00:36:46,073 --> 00:36:49,207 We know that Clarence knew how to stitch. 686 00:36:49,250 --> 00:36:51,948 - They made not only a boat out of it but they 687 00:36:51,992 --> 00:36:54,037 also made life preservers. 688 00:36:55,213 --> 00:36:57,084 - They took up painting. 689 00:36:57,127 --> 00:37:00,696 They actually painted portraits of their girlfriends. 690 00:37:00,740 --> 00:37:02,829 Well, the only reason that they did that, 691 00:37:02,872 --> 00:37:07,355 they needed flesh-colored paint to put on those dummy heads. 692 00:37:09,314 --> 00:37:12,230 Clarence took a job in the barber shop. 693 00:37:12,273 --> 00:37:14,623 He knew he needed hair. 694 00:37:14,667 --> 00:37:18,148 So he took hair and dropped it, as he was cutting it, 695 00:37:18,192 --> 00:37:21,195 and it would fall down in his cuffs of his pants, 696 00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:23,415 and he walked it back to his cell. 697 00:37:24,807 --> 00:37:27,245 - To do all that under the noses of the guards? 698 00:37:27,288 --> 00:37:29,290 I mean, what else can you say about them? 699 00:37:29,334 --> 00:37:32,032 They were highly intelligent men. 700 00:37:34,687 --> 00:37:38,299 - NARRATOR: By June 11th, 1962, with the holes in their cells 701 00:37:38,343 --> 00:37:41,781 cut and covered, and a plan in place, it was only a 702 00:37:41,824 --> 00:37:45,263 matter of hours before the men made their break. 703 00:37:47,656 --> 00:37:49,745 What happened to them when they hit the water has been 704 00:37:49,789 --> 00:37:52,705 debated and theorized for half a century... 705 00:37:55,708 --> 00:38:00,016 ...with speculation on the escape continuing to this day. 706 00:38:03,368 --> 00:38:05,718 Michael Esslinger is currently working on a book about 707 00:38:05,761 --> 00:38:07,807 the escaped Anglins. 708 00:38:07,850 --> 00:38:10,636 He's joining their nephews, Ken and David, 709 00:38:10,679 --> 00:38:13,726 and former lead Alcatraz investigator Art Roderick, 710 00:38:13,769 --> 00:38:15,728 for a trip to the Rock. 711 00:38:15,771 --> 00:38:22,735 ♪ 712 00:38:22,778 --> 00:38:30,699 ♪ 713 00:38:30,743 --> 00:38:32,962 - KEN: Was it Clarence that said the boat drive was shorter 714 00:38:33,006 --> 00:38:34,964 and they were goin' in the wrong direction. 715 00:38:35,008 --> 00:38:36,314 - Yeah, [laughs]. 716 00:38:36,357 --> 00:38:37,315 Is that what you just thought about? 717 00:38:37,358 --> 00:38:38,446 - Yeah. 718 00:38:38,490 --> 00:38:39,621 - Yeah, he knew in his mind, he wasn't, 719 00:38:39,665 --> 00:38:40,927 they wasn't stayin' there. 720 00:38:40,970 --> 00:38:42,363 - Yeah, I believe that. 721 00:38:42,407 --> 00:38:44,322 They, they had already started planning, I think, 722 00:38:44,365 --> 00:38:46,498 before they even got there. 723 00:38:46,541 --> 00:38:59,337 ♪ 724 00:38:59,380 --> 00:39:02,427 - NARRATOR: As the ferry inches closer to Alcatraz Island, 725 00:39:02,470 --> 00:39:04,994 the weight of their current odyssey descends upon the 726 00:39:05,038 --> 00:39:07,997 brothers, and what their infamous uncles must have 727 00:39:08,041 --> 00:39:12,132 been thinking in 1960, as they prepared to be locked away 728 00:39:12,175 --> 00:39:14,308 in the harshest prison known to man. 729 00:39:16,092 --> 00:39:18,747 - I want the world to know that when they go out to 730 00:39:18,791 --> 00:39:24,144 Alcatraz, and they walk around and they see the mugshots, 731 00:39:24,187 --> 00:39:28,191 they hear about the robbery, and they hear the stories 732 00:39:28,235 --> 00:39:30,193 about how they got out. 733 00:39:31,934 --> 00:39:35,416 I want them to know that these were more than criminals. 734 00:39:37,462 --> 00:39:39,202 - They wasn't murderers. 735 00:39:39,246 --> 00:39:41,901 You know, they robbed a bank with a toy gun. 736 00:39:41,944 --> 00:39:43,903 But what got them sent to Alcatraz is, 737 00:39:43,946 --> 00:39:46,688 "Hey, we can't keep these boys anywhere. 738 00:39:46,732 --> 00:39:49,212 Let's put 'em in Alcatraz, we can keep them there." 739 00:39:52,041 --> 00:39:54,435 - These were not totally bad people. 740 00:39:54,479 --> 00:39:56,350 They were human beings. 741 00:39:56,394 --> 00:39:58,265 They had a family. 742 00:39:58,308 --> 00:40:00,136 They had a mom and dad who loved them. 743 00:40:00,180 --> 00:40:03,444 They had brothers and sisters who cared about them. 744 00:40:06,491 --> 00:40:08,275 These were my uncles. 745 00:40:08,318 --> 00:40:13,454 [seagulls squawk] 746 00:40:13,498 --> 00:40:21,419 [suspenseful music] 747 00:40:21,462 --> 00:40:28,208 ♪ 748 00:40:28,251 --> 00:40:30,515 - KEN: This, this is where they first made their first entry. 749 00:40:30,558 --> 00:40:31,472 - ESSLINGER: This is it. 750 00:40:31,516 --> 00:40:32,778 - DAVID: Wow. 751 00:40:32,821 --> 00:40:34,170 - ESSLINGER: This was their first stop inside. 752 00:40:34,214 --> 00:40:35,694 - KEN: Wow. 753 00:40:35,737 --> 00:40:45,704 ♪ 754 00:40:45,747 --> 00:40:46,661 - ESSLINGER: And here we are. 755 00:40:46,705 --> 00:40:47,793 - KEN: Wow. 756 00:40:49,577 --> 00:40:52,275 - ART: Alcatraz blows me away. 757 00:40:52,319 --> 00:40:54,060 - KEN: Always blows me away. 758 00:40:54,103 --> 00:41:04,070 ♪ 759 00:41:04,113 --> 00:41:13,079 ♪ 760 00:41:13,122 --> 00:41:21,609 ♪ 761 00:41:21,653 --> 00:41:23,481 - DAVID: Well, this is where our whole lives started, 762 00:41:23,524 --> 00:41:26,527 with all the harassment, everything. 763 00:41:26,571 --> 00:41:28,398 - KEN: Yeah, this is where all of our lives got turned 764 00:41:28,442 --> 00:41:29,878 upside down. 765 00:41:29,922 --> 00:41:33,839 I mean they left, and, you know, it affected all of us. 766 00:41:33,882 --> 00:41:35,014 - KEN: Here it is. 767 00:41:35,057 --> 00:41:36,842 - DAVID: This is Clarence's cell. 768 00:41:36,885 --> 00:41:39,061 Wow. 769 00:41:39,105 --> 00:41:41,237 - KEN: They left, right through that hole. 770 00:41:44,458 --> 00:41:45,720 - Unbelievable. 771 00:41:47,940 --> 00:41:49,681 Just couldn't nothing hold 'em! 772 00:41:49,724 --> 00:41:58,080 [soft music, seagulls] 773 00:41:58,124 --> 00:42:00,561 [heavy sigh] 774 00:42:00,605 --> 00:42:03,390 - KEN: I just cannot believe they were actually in there. 775 00:42:08,047 --> 00:42:10,179 - DAVID: You know, their beds were side by side, 776 00:42:10,223 --> 00:42:12,791 just a concrete wall separating them. 777 00:42:14,488 --> 00:42:16,795 - KEN: I bet it was good to be close to family. 778 00:42:18,187 --> 00:42:21,060 - DAVID: Yeah, that was probably the only way they 779 00:42:21,103 --> 00:42:22,583 kept their sanity. 780 00:42:26,544 --> 00:42:28,676 - But you know, it didn't end here. 781 00:42:28,720 --> 00:42:30,504 - No. - No. 782 00:42:30,548 --> 00:42:32,680 I do not believe it ended here. 783 00:42:32,724 --> 00:42:35,901 It might have began here, but it didn't end here. 784 00:42:39,513 --> 00:42:42,472 ♪ 785 00:42:42,516 --> 00:42:47,521 - NARRATOR: At approximately 9:30 PM on June 11th, 1962, 786 00:42:47,565 --> 00:42:50,611 just after the guards called for lights out... 787 00:42:50,655 --> 00:42:55,224 ♪ 788 00:42:55,268 --> 00:42:58,445 ...15 months of meticulous preparation was finally 789 00:42:58,488 --> 00:43:00,839 put to the test. 790 00:43:00,882 --> 00:43:04,059 The three cons inched out of the backs of their cells through 791 00:43:04,103 --> 00:43:08,020 tiny holes that they had spent months cutting and concealing... 792 00:43:10,152 --> 00:43:12,372 ...made their way up the ventilator shaft, and out onto 793 00:43:12,415 --> 00:43:16,158 the roof of the cellblock. 794 00:43:16,202 --> 00:43:20,119 What they did next turned them into legends. 795 00:43:22,512 --> 00:43:27,648 [music] 796 00:43:27,692 --> 00:43:30,390 - NARRATOR: David and Ken Widner are the nephews of two men who 797 00:43:30,433 --> 00:43:33,001 used to call these cells home: 798 00:43:33,045 --> 00:43:35,874 Alcatraz escapees John and Clarence Anglin. 799 00:43:37,745 --> 00:43:40,618 The brothers are shadowing the footsteps of their uncles 800 00:43:40,661 --> 00:43:44,186 as part of a fresh investigation into the escape, 801 00:43:44,230 --> 00:43:46,841 and the trip is rekindling a host of emotional 802 00:43:46,885 --> 00:43:48,190 childhood memories. 803 00:43:49,975 --> 00:43:53,195 - I remember my mom telling me the story. 804 00:43:56,329 --> 00:44:01,116 I was just a small kid, a baby actually. 805 00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:05,904 And she said she heard it on the news, 806 00:44:05,947 --> 00:44:08,950 that there had been an escape at the Alcatraz prison. 807 00:44:08,994 --> 00:44:12,171 She said she knew right then who it was. 808 00:44:12,214 --> 00:44:14,216 - RADIO ANNOUNCER: It appears to be the first successful escape 809 00:44:14,260 --> 00:44:16,915 in the history of the maximum security prison. 810 00:44:16,958 --> 00:44:20,005 - KEN: And from that moment on, everything changed. 811 00:44:20,048 --> 00:44:23,008 I mean, it was in our blood from the very beginning. 812 00:44:25,967 --> 00:44:28,230 - DAVID: As kids we would hear our parents, you know, 813 00:44:28,274 --> 00:44:30,537 when they'd get together, you know, they would talk. 814 00:44:30,580 --> 00:44:32,887 And a lot of times when the kids would come around 815 00:44:32,931 --> 00:44:38,284 they'd stop talking, and we know that they knew more than, 816 00:44:38,327 --> 00:44:40,547 than they were telling. 817 00:44:40,590 --> 00:44:41,940 - KEN: Coming from that background, 818 00:44:41,983 --> 00:44:43,593 it did make me want to go dig. 819 00:44:43,637 --> 00:44:49,208 It made you want to look past what some of the stories were 820 00:44:49,251 --> 00:44:52,254 and say, "Well what caused that story to occur?" 821 00:44:54,517 --> 00:44:56,606 - NARRATOR: The brothers mined the family archive 822 00:44:56,650 --> 00:45:01,133 and found these photos: two men in Brazil in 1975, 823 00:45:01,176 --> 00:45:04,353 whom they believe is John and Clarence Anglin. 824 00:45:05,398 --> 00:45:07,922 To try and find out what happened to their uncles, 825 00:45:07,966 --> 00:45:10,795 they've teamed up with former U.S. Marshal Art Roderick 826 00:45:10,838 --> 00:45:13,101 and historian Michael Esslinger. 827 00:45:13,145 --> 00:45:15,103 - You know, once they get out from the ventilator 828 00:45:15,147 --> 00:45:17,715 on top of the roof, they slowly started making their way 829 00:45:17,758 --> 00:45:21,501 across the top of the hospital to this side. 830 00:45:21,544 --> 00:45:24,896 One by one, they come down what is a large smokestack, 831 00:45:24,939 --> 00:45:28,377 it's no longer here, and they make their way down. 832 00:45:29,857 --> 00:45:33,121 So there's soot all over it, it's real dirty. 833 00:45:33,165 --> 00:45:36,211 You can actually see, in a lot of the FBI photographs, 834 00:45:36,255 --> 00:45:40,259 sneaker prints leading away from the smoke stack. 835 00:45:41,826 --> 00:45:44,089 They make their way out onto the officer's catwalk 836 00:45:44,132 --> 00:45:45,568 for the rec yard, 837 00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:51,139 go down into the vegetation here, 838 00:45:51,183 --> 00:45:54,752 and then walk right in front of the water tower. 839 00:45:59,495 --> 00:46:01,933 And made their way down this location here. 840 00:46:01,976 --> 00:46:03,848 It's amazing that right over here, this is what some of the 841 00:46:03,891 --> 00:46:06,067 FBI photos show. 842 00:46:06,111 --> 00:46:08,069 - ART: So the Bureau found footprints, evidence, 843 00:46:08,113 --> 00:46:09,810 that they came exactly this route? 844 00:46:09,854 --> 00:46:10,811 - ESSLINGER: They did. 845 00:46:10,855 --> 00:46:12,552 - KEN: Oh my gosh. 846 00:46:12,595 --> 00:46:14,206 - ART: Your adrenaline would be pumping at this point 847 00:46:14,249 --> 00:46:16,512 because you're so close. 848 00:46:16,556 --> 00:46:18,558 - ESSLINGER: I mean, when you think about it, all the planning 849 00:46:18,601 --> 00:46:21,256 that went into getting to this point in the escape, you know, 850 00:46:21,300 --> 00:46:23,215 here they were, they were carrying their raft, 851 00:46:23,258 --> 00:46:26,522 their life preserver, they had their paddles, their packs, 852 00:46:26,566 --> 00:46:28,742 the concertina to, you know, inflate everything, 853 00:46:28,786 --> 00:46:31,092 I mean it's, it's really amazing. 854 00:46:31,136 --> 00:46:32,398 - DAVID: Wow. 855 00:46:32,441 --> 00:46:33,616 - KEN: You could taste freedom from here. 856 00:46:33,660 --> 00:46:35,357 - ESSLINGER: You could. 857 00:46:35,401 --> 00:46:43,626 ♪ 858 00:46:43,670 --> 00:46:46,020 - Everybody knows how they got to the water. 859 00:46:46,064 --> 00:46:48,849 I want to know the details around how they got from 860 00:46:48,893 --> 00:46:51,678 that water all the way to land. 861 00:46:53,985 --> 00:46:56,596 - ART: The main thing about Alcatraz, why everybody thought 862 00:46:56,639 --> 00:46:58,990 it was inescapable, was the water barrier. 863 00:46:59,033 --> 00:47:02,645 I mean, you were on an island, tides, cold water, 864 00:47:02,689 --> 00:47:05,431 swift currents, so that even if you got to the 865 00:47:05,474 --> 00:47:08,826 edge of the island, you would never make it to the mainland. 866 00:47:12,220 --> 00:47:17,138 - Them boys did not spend over a year planning this 867 00:47:17,182 --> 00:47:20,707 to get to the water and say, "What do we do now?" 868 00:47:20,750 --> 00:47:22,883 They knew all along what they were gonna do. 869 00:47:22,927 --> 00:47:25,233 They had it planned out to a T. 870 00:47:26,844 --> 00:47:29,063 - NARRATOR: With no definitive proof that the brothers 871 00:47:29,107 --> 00:47:33,851 lived or died, the truth remains elusive, and the possibilities 872 00:47:33,894 --> 00:47:37,332 have been hotly debated since 1962. 873 00:47:39,813 --> 00:47:42,424 The widely held assumption is that the men put a raft 874 00:47:42,468 --> 00:47:46,080 into the water and paddled into the abyss. 875 00:47:47,386 --> 00:47:50,650 But a re-examination of past interviews and documents, 876 00:47:50,693 --> 00:47:53,566 combined with the evidence the family has unearthed, 877 00:47:53,609 --> 00:47:56,525 has generated a shocking new theory. 878 00:47:56,569 --> 00:47:58,788 - ESSLINGER: Basically what the theory is is that rather than 879 00:47:58,832 --> 00:48:00,921 just get to the water's edge in the raft and go out towards 880 00:48:00,965 --> 00:48:03,271 the Golden Gate, they actually went around the 881 00:48:03,315 --> 00:48:04,882 perimeter of the island. 882 00:48:08,363 --> 00:48:10,931 There's an FBI document that indicates that when they were 883 00:48:10,975 --> 00:48:13,151 searching the island, they had actually brought bloodhounds 884 00:48:13,194 --> 00:48:14,804 on the island. 885 00:48:14,848 --> 00:48:16,458 And what they stated was, was that the bloodhounds actually 886 00:48:16,502 --> 00:48:19,897 made it to the cave and that's where they lost the scent. 887 00:48:21,594 --> 00:48:24,640 The only true caves on Alcatraz were actually on the west side 888 00:48:24,684 --> 00:48:26,991 of the island near the incinerator. 889 00:48:28,296 --> 00:48:30,385 - NARRATOR: Working their way around the island allowed the 890 00:48:30,429 --> 00:48:34,694 escapees to avoid the only active guard tower on Alcatraz, 891 00:48:34,737 --> 00:48:37,262 on the east side of the island . 892 00:48:37,305 --> 00:48:39,960 But even if the men made this full circle and landed 893 00:48:40,004 --> 00:48:43,921 at the prison's boat dock, the question still begs: 894 00:48:43,964 --> 00:48:45,705 how did they cross the bay? 895 00:48:46,836 --> 00:48:49,535 The answer may lie hidden within the maze of information 896 00:48:49,578 --> 00:48:54,192 collected by the authorities in the days following the escape. 897 00:48:54,235 --> 00:48:58,283 FBI records state that 120 feet of electrical cord that was 898 00:48:58,326 --> 00:49:01,939 stored near the boat dock was reported missing. 899 00:49:03,636 --> 00:49:06,856 A ferry would shuttle prison guards to and from the island. 900 00:49:06,900 --> 00:49:10,948 The last departure that night was at 12:10 AM. 901 00:49:12,906 --> 00:49:15,953 When the feds studied the contents of each escapee's cell 902 00:49:15,996 --> 00:49:17,650 the morning after the escape, they found some 903 00:49:17,693 --> 00:49:19,217 telling evidence. 904 00:49:20,609 --> 00:49:23,351 On Frank Morris' desk were three magazines. 905 00:49:23,395 --> 00:49:25,919 One, a copy of Popular Mechanics showing how to 906 00:49:25,963 --> 00:49:27,965 build a homemade raft. 907 00:49:28,008 --> 00:49:31,011 Another, a Sports Illustrated article detailing how a boat 908 00:49:31,055 --> 00:49:34,536 enters and exits a slip, and how to tie and untie 909 00:49:34,580 --> 00:49:36,364 the boat from a dock. 910 00:49:36,408 --> 00:49:39,411 And the final magazine, left open by the inmate, 911 00:49:39,454 --> 00:49:41,587 a Miller High-Life advertisement, 912 00:49:41,630 --> 00:49:44,982 showing a couple on a beach, kicking back with a few beers. 913 00:49:47,593 --> 00:49:50,857 When deciphered from the maze of evidence, these facts - 914 00:49:50,900 --> 00:49:54,861 the electrical cord, the ferry schedule and the magazines - 915 00:49:54,904 --> 00:49:57,864 reveal an intricate road map for the escapees 916 00:49:57,907 --> 00:50:00,823 once they make it to the boat dock. 917 00:50:04,131 --> 00:50:06,264 - ESSLINGER: The theory is, is that they came up right up under 918 00:50:06,307 --> 00:50:10,050 the dock here, where the actual prison launch was sitting. 919 00:50:10,094 --> 00:50:13,140 And then they went underwater, tied the electrical cord to the 920 00:50:13,184 --> 00:50:16,970 cowling, up by the rudder, and then fed this cord all the way 921 00:50:17,014 --> 00:50:18,537 around the dock. 922 00:50:18,580 --> 00:50:20,756 So, that way, when the prison launch was coming out of the 923 00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:24,108 slip, they would actually be able to position the raft to 924 00:50:24,151 --> 00:50:26,762 where it would actually be towed right out as the boat took off 925 00:50:26,806 --> 00:50:28,286 towards the mainland. 926 00:50:31,202 --> 00:50:33,073 - NARRATOR: The escapees could have known exactly 927 00:50:33,117 --> 00:50:35,728 when to be at the boat dock for their departure, 928 00:50:35,771 --> 00:50:38,513 used the instructions in the magazines, and tied the 929 00:50:38,557 --> 00:50:41,995 stolen electrical cord to the guard boat for their tow. 930 00:50:43,692 --> 00:50:47,131 - So they didn't swim, they didn't paddle. 931 00:50:47,174 --> 00:50:49,698 There was three boats leaving that island that night 932 00:50:49,742 --> 00:50:52,049 and they caught a ride from one of 'em. 933 00:50:53,659 --> 00:50:55,574 - NARRATOR: The theory continues that as the guard boat 934 00:50:55,617 --> 00:50:58,664 left the Alcatraz shoreline, the fugitives somehow 935 00:50:58,707 --> 00:51:03,321 untied the cord and paddled to a nearby getaway boat. 936 00:51:05,018 --> 00:51:08,282 Remarkably, there is a witness to this theory. 937 00:51:10,067 --> 00:51:13,505 A young San Francisco beat cop named Robert Checchi told the 938 00:51:13,548 --> 00:51:17,335 FBI and the Oakland Tribune that he was smoking a cigarette at 939 00:51:17,378 --> 00:51:20,773 St. Francis Yacht Club after his shift when he looked out 940 00:51:20,816 --> 00:51:23,906 towards Alcatraz and saw something suspicious 941 00:51:23,950 --> 00:51:26,561 a couple hundred yards away in the water. 942 00:51:28,172 --> 00:51:31,827 Between him and Alcatraz Island, Checchi noticed a pristine, 943 00:51:31,871 --> 00:51:34,917 white boat in the bay, with no fishing poles, 944 00:51:34,961 --> 00:51:37,529 sitting idle for 20 to 30 minutes, 945 00:51:37,572 --> 00:51:40,880 before it made its way towards the Golden Gate Bridge. 946 00:51:41,837 --> 00:51:44,318 In the frantic manhunt that followed the escape, 947 00:51:44,362 --> 00:51:47,495 the FBI dismissed his account out of hand. 948 00:51:47,539 --> 00:51:50,194 But if what he saw was tied to the prison break, 949 00:51:50,237 --> 00:51:52,848 it would mean that the escapees had received help 950 00:51:52,892 --> 00:51:54,198 from the outside. 951 00:51:56,852 --> 00:51:58,898 - ESSLINGER: I really believe that this is a game-changer. 952 00:51:58,941 --> 00:52:01,596 It actually would bring them right to the very location that 953 00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:03,294 Officer Checchi was in. 954 00:52:03,337 --> 00:52:05,774 You know, before, it seemed so random and there was no possible 955 00:52:05,818 --> 00:52:08,821 way that they could have got to that area, but now when you put 956 00:52:08,864 --> 00:52:11,911 all of this together and connect the dots, it actually would 957 00:52:11,954 --> 00:52:14,827 put them right in the same area that he witnessed that boat 958 00:52:14,870 --> 00:52:16,655 out on the bay that night. 959 00:52:16,698 --> 00:52:18,396 - This makes more sense than anything 960 00:52:18,439 --> 00:52:19,745 I've ever heard before. 961 00:52:19,788 --> 00:52:22,965 - If you take portions of what we got from Brizzi, 962 00:52:23,009 --> 00:52:26,882 the alternative theory, the missing extension cord, 963 00:52:26,926 --> 00:52:28,406 that all kind of fits. 964 00:52:28,449 --> 00:52:31,322 And I think the clincher is Officer Checchi seeing the 965 00:52:31,365 --> 00:52:34,977 boat out there, and I've always looked at that newspaper article 966 00:52:35,021 --> 00:52:36,979 and read that interview and thought, 967 00:52:37,023 --> 00:52:39,199 "Wow, this is very compelling." 968 00:52:39,243 --> 00:52:41,288 - I actually think it changes all of the theories 969 00:52:41,332 --> 00:52:42,724 and makes it plausible. 970 00:52:42,768 --> 00:52:44,770 It makes it actually one of the most reasonable ways 971 00:52:44,813 --> 00:52:47,251 to get off the island, in my opinion. 972 00:52:50,819 --> 00:52:53,561 - NARRATOR: But who would agree to provide such help? 973 00:52:53,605 --> 00:52:56,347 And who could the escapees truly trust to keep their 974 00:52:56,390 --> 00:52:59,219 plan close to the vest, not only during the 975 00:52:59,263 --> 00:53:02,222 15 months of planning, but for years after, 976 00:53:02,266 --> 00:53:04,181 as fugitives from the law? 977 00:53:07,793 --> 00:53:10,796 Roderick believes Anglin family friend Fred Brizzi 978 00:53:10,839 --> 00:53:13,581 may have the answer. 979 00:53:13,625 --> 00:53:23,591 [tape recording playing] 980 00:53:23,635 --> 00:53:33,601 [tape recording playing] 981 00:53:33,645 --> 00:53:41,609 [tape recording playing] 982 00:53:41,653 --> 00:53:49,313 [tape recording playing] 983 00:53:49,356 --> 00:53:56,015 [ominous music] 984 00:53:56,058 --> 00:54:00,149 [music] 985 00:54:00,193 --> 00:54:03,022 - NARRATOR: The search for the truth in the 1962 Alcatraz 986 00:54:03,065 --> 00:54:05,503 escape case is unfolding. 987 00:54:07,287 --> 00:54:10,072 A plausible new theory on how the escapees made their way to 988 00:54:10,116 --> 00:54:13,989 freedom has just been explored, and is supported by evidence 989 00:54:14,033 --> 00:54:17,689 that was presented by the family of the escaped Anglins. 990 00:54:19,299 --> 00:54:22,041 Now, the nephews of John and Clarence are on their way 991 00:54:22,084 --> 00:54:25,218 back to central Florida to follow an important, 992 00:54:25,262 --> 00:54:27,002 if painful, lead: 993 00:54:27,046 --> 00:54:30,136 exhuming another of their uncles, Alfred Anglin, 994 00:54:30,179 --> 00:54:32,704 whose corpse holds details that could solve 995 00:54:32,747 --> 00:54:34,532 the mysteries of the Rock. 996 00:54:35,359 --> 00:54:37,752 - The only way we're gonna get to the bottom of this 997 00:54:37,796 --> 00:54:42,322 is to dig him up and find out what really happened to him. 998 00:54:42,366 --> 00:54:44,803 - It's going to be tough, you know, but um, 999 00:54:44,846 --> 00:54:48,285 I'm going to do it because yes, we do have something to prove. 1000 00:54:50,548 --> 00:54:53,420 - NARRATOR: As the brothers make their way to the family plot 1001 00:54:53,464 --> 00:54:58,382 in rural Ruskin, Art Roderick touches ground in Washington. 1002 00:54:59,513 --> 00:55:01,994 The former lead investigator on the Alcatraz case 1003 00:55:02,037 --> 00:55:06,041 is back in D.C., walking into a meeting with longtime cop 1004 00:55:06,085 --> 00:55:09,175 Michael Streed, now one of the country's preeminent 1005 00:55:09,218 --> 00:55:11,438 facial imaging experts. 1006 00:55:11,482 --> 00:55:13,658 - I've got some photographs I'd like to show you. 1007 00:55:13,701 --> 00:55:16,008 I'm hoping you can help me out on this. 1008 00:55:19,620 --> 00:55:24,059 This picture of, uh, two individuals taken probably 1009 00:55:24,103 --> 00:55:27,106 sometime in the mid 1970s. 1010 00:55:27,149 --> 00:55:31,197 This picture is supposedly of John and Clarence Anglin. 1011 00:55:31,240 --> 00:55:35,114 John being on your right, Clarence being on your left. 1012 00:55:35,157 --> 00:55:42,382 Here is a mugshot of John from 1960 and then Clarence. 1013 00:55:43,427 --> 00:55:46,386 I also have some, some family photos in digital format that I 1014 00:55:46,430 --> 00:55:48,127 can provide you. 1015 00:55:48,170 --> 00:55:49,346 - All right. 1016 00:55:49,389 --> 00:55:53,828 - This is probably the absolute best lead 1017 00:55:53,872 --> 00:55:56,353 in this case since 1962. 1018 00:55:58,355 --> 00:56:02,315 If you can come up with something or you see some 1019 00:56:02,359 --> 00:56:03,795 similarity in there. 1020 00:56:03,838 --> 00:56:06,493 And you with your investigative background would say, 1021 00:56:06,537 --> 00:56:09,496 "I would continue to investigate this particular lead." 1022 00:56:09,540 --> 00:56:13,587 That's what I'm looking for. 1023 00:56:13,631 --> 00:56:17,112 they weren't wearing the glasses and stuff and people are 1024 00:56:17,156 --> 00:56:19,288 at a distance and, you know, measure chin to mouth 1025 00:56:19,332 --> 00:56:21,943 and do all the morphological measurements and such. 1026 00:56:21,987 --> 00:56:24,032 This case you don't have that, so it's more relying 1027 00:56:24,076 --> 00:56:27,949 on a surface feature. 1028 00:56:27,993 --> 00:56:30,604 What I'm going to have to do is scan them into the computer, 1029 00:56:30,648 --> 00:56:32,693 take a look and start doing some detail analysis. 1030 00:56:32,737 --> 00:56:34,739 - Okay, very good. 1031 00:56:39,570 --> 00:56:42,529 - NARRATOR: Back in Florida, a convoy is on the move, 1032 00:56:42,573 --> 00:56:45,053 thanks to a deal the Widner brothers have struck with 1033 00:56:45,097 --> 00:56:47,491 the U.S. Marshals Service. 1034 00:56:47,534 --> 00:56:50,624 If the government helps to exhume their Uncle Alfred 1035 00:56:50,668 --> 00:56:53,192 and conducts an autopsy to once and for all 1036 00:56:53,235 --> 00:56:56,108 determine his cause of death, the family will offer up 1037 00:56:56,151 --> 00:56:59,285 a sample of Alfred's bone for forensic analysis. 1038 00:57:04,856 --> 00:57:08,642 - DAVID: We are fixing to go do something that's 1039 00:57:08,686 --> 00:57:09,774 going to be incredible. 1040 00:57:09,817 --> 00:57:11,602 - MARIE: It is amazing. 1041 00:57:11,645 --> 00:57:14,169 - NARRATOR: David and Ken's mother Marie, along with their 1042 00:57:14,213 --> 00:57:17,738 Aunt Merle, are the younger sisters of John, Clarence, 1043 00:57:17,782 --> 00:57:19,566 and Alfred. 1044 00:57:21,263 --> 00:57:22,700 - DAVID: Long time coming. 1045 00:57:22,743 --> 00:57:23,701 - KEN: Wow. 1046 00:57:23,744 --> 00:57:25,050 - MERLE: It really has. 1047 00:57:25,093 --> 00:57:28,880 - You know I asked my mom is she prepared for 1048 00:57:28,923 --> 00:57:30,229 Alfred coming out of the ground. 1049 00:57:30,272 --> 00:57:31,752 And she is. 1050 00:57:31,796 --> 00:57:35,060 Her and Merle, my Aunt Merle, they've both been waiting 1051 00:57:35,103 --> 00:57:40,021 a long time for somebody to prove what they already know. 1052 00:57:42,459 --> 00:57:45,157 - NARRATOR: In 1958, Alfred Anglin, along with his 1053 00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:47,986 soon to be infamous brothers John and Clarence, 1054 00:57:48,029 --> 00:57:50,771 robbed a bank in Columbia, Alabama. 1055 00:57:50,815 --> 00:57:54,862 The bank heist put each of the brothers behind bars. 1056 00:57:54,906 --> 00:57:57,996 John and Clarence would eventually be sent to Alcatraz, 1057 00:57:58,039 --> 00:58:00,999 while Alfred ultimately stayed in Alabama. 1058 00:58:02,479 --> 00:58:06,874 - He ends up at Kilby Prison in September of 1963. 1059 00:58:06,918 --> 00:58:10,530 When he arrives, he's actually already eligible for parole. 1060 00:58:10,574 --> 00:58:12,837 So all he's gotta do is just, you know, a couple more years 1061 00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:14,708 and he's gonna get out of prison. 1062 00:58:15,709 --> 00:58:18,669 - NARRATOR: But in January of 64, after John and Clarence 1063 00:58:18,712 --> 00:58:22,324 had already pulled off their mysterious escape from the Rock, 1064 00:58:22,368 --> 00:58:25,719 Kilby Prison notified the Anglin family that Alfred had attempted 1065 00:58:25,763 --> 00:58:30,202 a brazen escape of his own, and died in the process. 1066 00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:37,165 - MARIE: Alfred, we are fixing to find the truth 1067 00:58:37,209 --> 00:58:38,732 about you honey. 1068 00:58:38,776 --> 00:58:41,561 - We've always thought that they killed you. 1069 00:58:41,605 --> 00:58:42,519 - MARIE: That's right. 1070 00:58:42,562 --> 00:58:43,737 - In Alabama. 1071 00:58:43,781 --> 00:58:45,217 - MARIE: And now we're about to find out... 1072 00:58:45,260 --> 00:58:46,435 - MERLE: Yes. 1073 00:58:46,479 --> 00:58:47,262 - MARIE: Amen. 1074 00:58:47,306 --> 00:58:48,525 - MERLE: Amen. 1075 00:58:50,744 --> 00:58:53,399 - There's no way Uncle Alfred only had 1076 00:58:53,442 --> 00:58:56,968 a few days left to come up for a parole hearing. 1077 00:58:58,970 --> 00:59:01,494 There's no way he tried to escape. 1078 00:59:01,538 --> 00:59:05,193 You'll never make me believe that. 1079 00:59:05,237 --> 00:59:06,499 Sorry. 1080 00:59:08,588 --> 00:59:11,548 - NARRATOR: For the past 51 years, the Anglin clan 1081 00:59:11,591 --> 00:59:14,551 has maintained that Alfred was beaten to death by prison 1082 00:59:14,594 --> 00:59:17,641 authorities, after getting wind that his brothers made it 1083 00:59:17,684 --> 00:59:20,208 safely off Alcatraz Island. 1084 00:59:20,252 --> 00:59:23,472 The alleged beating, they believe, was due to refusing 1085 00:59:23,516 --> 00:59:25,997 to share what he knew with Kilby officials. 1086 00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:32,090 - I know that they made it and I know that he knew 1087 00:59:32,133 --> 00:59:35,093 they made it and that's the reason why he was killed. 1088 00:59:37,661 --> 00:59:41,665 - If the results come back that Alfred has broken bones, 1089 00:59:41,708 --> 00:59:44,276 then Alabama is going to have to answer to what 1090 00:59:44,319 --> 00:59:46,321 really happened to Alfred. 1091 00:59:46,365 --> 00:59:49,542 How did he get broken bones when y'all claimed 1092 00:59:49,586 --> 00:59:51,065 he was electrocuted? 1093 00:59:54,025 --> 00:59:56,070 - NARRATOR: The official autopsy gives the marshals something 1094 00:59:56,114 --> 00:59:59,683 they've long sought: a DNA sample from the Anglin family 1095 00:59:59,726 --> 01:00:02,163 to match up against the bones that washed ashore in 1096 01:00:02,207 --> 01:00:06,341 San Francisco Bay nine months after the escape. 1097 01:00:06,385 --> 01:00:10,389 - Well, I want you all to know it's been a long time coming. 1098 01:00:10,432 --> 01:00:11,259 [sobbing] 1099 01:00:11,303 --> 01:00:12,957 - MERLE: It has, David. 1100 01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:14,132 It has. 1101 01:00:14,175 --> 01:00:16,700 - MARIE: 51 years to solve this puzzle. 1102 01:00:16,743 --> 01:00:19,441 And we are about to find out. 1103 01:00:19,485 --> 01:00:29,364 [dramatic music builds] 1104 01:00:29,408 --> 01:00:39,374 ♪ 1105 01:00:39,418 --> 01:00:48,035 ♪ 1106 01:00:48,079 --> 01:00:49,733 - NARRATOR: As Alfred's coffin is raised... 1107 01:00:52,431 --> 01:00:55,695 Roderick makes his way to official marshals headquarters, 1108 01:00:55,739 --> 01:00:58,480 where he is learning more about the Anglin family friend 1109 01:00:58,524 --> 01:01:01,179 who claims to have taken pictures of Alcatraz inmates 1110 01:01:01,222 --> 01:01:05,618 John and Clarence Anglin in Brazil in 1975, 1111 01:01:05,662 --> 01:01:08,099 13 years after their escape. 1112 01:01:10,492 --> 01:01:12,494 [knocking] 1113 01:01:12,538 --> 01:01:13,539 - HENRY: Hey, how are you doing? 1114 01:01:13,582 --> 01:01:14,453 - Henry, how are you, buddy? 1115 01:01:14,496 --> 01:01:16,281 - Good to see you. 1116 01:01:16,324 --> 01:01:17,891 - NARRATOR: Chief Inspector Henry Geberth is well aware 1117 01:01:17,935 --> 01:01:21,547 of one of the agency's most notorious cold cases. 1118 01:01:21,590 --> 01:01:26,030 - It seems like a pivotal person in this particular escape case 1119 01:01:26,073 --> 01:01:28,946 is an individual by the name of Fred Brizzi. 1120 01:01:28,989 --> 01:01:30,121 - Brizzi. 1121 01:01:30,164 --> 01:01:31,383 - I don't know how it's spelled. 1122 01:01:31,426 --> 01:01:32,863 - OK. 1123 01:01:32,906 --> 01:01:35,256 - The greatest thing I've got is just a picture of the 1124 01:01:35,300 --> 01:01:40,000 individual and that was probably taken around 1992. 1125 01:01:40,044 --> 01:01:43,351 Now he grew up with the Anglin brothers, all of them, 1126 01:01:43,395 --> 01:01:47,181 and apparently he actually ran into them in the mid-70s 1127 01:01:47,225 --> 01:01:48,400 down in Brazil. 1128 01:01:48,443 --> 01:01:49,880 - Oh really? 1129 01:01:49,923 --> 01:01:52,796 - Yes, and I was hoping, possibly, you could query the 1130 01:01:52,839 --> 01:01:55,363 system and do a run on him and see what we've got 1131 01:01:55,407 --> 01:01:57,322 in the database on him. 1132 01:01:57,365 --> 01:01:59,933 [chain rattling] 1133 01:01:59,977 --> 01:02:01,282 - I see it moving. 1134 01:02:01,326 --> 01:02:02,327 - It's moving! 1135 01:02:02,370 --> 01:02:03,676 - MERLE: It sure is! 1136 01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:05,069 - DAVID: Here he comes... whoa!! 1137 01:02:05,112 --> 01:02:06,505 - MERLE: Ooohh! 1138 01:02:06,548 --> 01:02:10,552 [chain rattling] 1139 01:02:10,596 --> 01:02:13,164 - Started right here. 1140 01:02:13,207 --> 01:02:15,079 Started right here. 1141 01:02:15,122 --> 01:02:17,821 Been wanting to do this since you was 11 years old. 1142 01:02:17,864 --> 01:02:19,474 - DAVID: Yeah. 1143 01:02:19,518 --> 01:02:21,215 - MARIE: He said, "Mom I want to do this, but I don't know 1144 01:02:21,259 --> 01:02:22,869 where to start." 1145 01:02:22,913 --> 01:02:24,044 - KEN: Well here we are. 1146 01:02:24,088 --> 01:02:25,829 - MARIE: Here we are. 1147 01:02:25,872 --> 01:02:31,617 ♪ 1148 01:02:31,660 --> 01:02:33,750 - I believe this is what Alfred wanted. 1149 01:02:33,793 --> 01:02:35,795 He doesn't have a voice today. 1150 01:02:35,839 --> 01:02:38,102 We're his voice. 1151 01:02:38,145 --> 01:02:41,888 - Well you just know that you and Mama would not leave 1152 01:02:41,932 --> 01:02:44,891 this Earth not knowing. 1153 01:02:48,852 --> 01:03:00,777 [music] 1154 01:03:00,820 --> 01:03:02,822 - NARRATOR: The brother of Alcatraz escapees 1155 01:03:02,866 --> 01:03:05,738 John and Clarence Anglin is exhumed from the earth 1156 01:03:05,782 --> 01:03:08,436 after 51 years underground. 1157 01:03:10,177 --> 01:03:13,702 His dramatic resurrection and transport to the autopsy room 1158 01:03:13,746 --> 01:03:16,444 is the result of an agreement the Anglin family has made 1159 01:03:16,488 --> 01:03:19,186 with the U.S. Marshal Service: 1160 01:03:19,230 --> 01:03:23,364 help solve a family conspiracy theory related to Alfred's death 1161 01:03:23,408 --> 01:03:27,064 by conducting an official autopsy on his corpse... 1162 01:03:27,107 --> 01:03:30,545 and in exchange, the Anglins will provide a DNA sample from 1163 01:03:30,589 --> 01:03:34,549 his remains to test against bones that washed up in 1164 01:03:34,593 --> 01:03:39,816 San Francisco Bay nine months after the 1962 escape. 1165 01:03:41,121 --> 01:03:44,168 - I'm ready for some justice and some closure 1166 01:03:44,211 --> 01:03:47,432 to this situation and we are ready to learn the truth 1167 01:03:47,475 --> 01:03:50,087 about what happened to my brother, Alfred. 1168 01:03:53,133 --> 01:03:56,528 - KEN: I just can tell in my Aunt Merle as we got her out 1169 01:03:56,571 --> 01:04:00,053 of the car she just seemed to, I don't know, the emotions 1170 01:04:00,097 --> 01:04:02,534 were starting to come out in her like I have never seen 1171 01:04:02,577 --> 01:04:04,275 before in my life. 1172 01:04:04,318 --> 01:04:06,233 You sure you're okay? 1173 01:04:08,279 --> 01:04:11,456 She started to shake and I kept asking her I said, 1174 01:04:11,499 --> 01:04:12,413 "Aunt Merle, are you OK? 1175 01:04:12,457 --> 01:04:13,980 Are you OK?" 1176 01:04:14,024 --> 01:04:16,765 "Yes, I'm ready for this," and she took her glasses off. 1177 01:04:16,809 --> 01:04:20,204 I was like oh please do not faint here on me! 1178 01:04:20,247 --> 01:04:22,162 Hey, this is the only way we're going to find out. 1179 01:04:22,206 --> 01:04:23,033 - I know. 1180 01:04:23,076 --> 01:04:23,903 - Okay? 1181 01:04:23,947 --> 01:04:25,035 - I know. 1182 01:04:25,078 --> 01:04:26,123 - KEN: We won't ever know if don't look. 1183 01:04:26,166 --> 01:04:27,733 - MERLE: I know. I know. 1184 01:04:27,776 --> 01:04:28,560 - It was tough. 1185 01:04:28,603 --> 01:04:30,605 It was, it was very tough. 1186 01:04:30,649 --> 01:04:32,172 - I cannot do this. 1187 01:04:32,216 --> 01:04:34,305 - DAVID: You don't need to. 1188 01:04:34,348 --> 01:04:38,265 She almost changed her mind right there at the end. 1189 01:04:38,309 --> 01:04:41,790 You know, she was like, I don't know if we should be doing this 1190 01:04:41,834 --> 01:04:43,749 and I had to tell her, "Aunt Merle, this is the 1191 01:04:43,792 --> 01:04:47,796 only way to get the answers that we need." 1192 01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:49,102 - DAVID: I know it's hard. 1193 01:04:49,146 --> 01:04:50,321 - MERLE: It is. 1194 01:04:50,364 --> 01:04:51,322 It is. 1195 01:04:51,365 --> 01:04:54,934 It's very hard, David! 1196 01:04:54,978 --> 01:05:03,595 [crying] 1197 01:05:03,638 --> 01:05:05,162 - DAVID: We got to find out, though. 1198 01:05:05,205 --> 01:05:09,949 - MERLE: I know we do, but looking at that casket... 1199 01:05:09,993 --> 01:05:11,211 - DAVID: I know. 1200 01:05:11,255 --> 01:05:12,865 It just brings back a lot. 1201 01:05:12,909 --> 01:05:14,911 - MERLE: It really does. 1202 01:05:20,699 --> 01:05:21,656 - KEN: They're opening the head. 1203 01:05:21,700 --> 01:05:22,919 - DAVID: Okay. Okay. 1204 01:05:24,572 --> 01:05:26,966 - DAVID: You know, it was really tense for me because there was 1205 01:05:27,010 --> 01:05:31,231 some doubt that he might not even be in the casket, you know, 1206 01:05:31,275 --> 01:05:34,408 or was he going to be in good enough shape to do 1207 01:05:34,452 --> 01:05:36,149 anything with? 1208 01:05:36,193 --> 01:05:38,717 - You gotta get down here a little bit too. 1209 01:05:44,505 --> 01:05:46,072 - Oooof. 1210 01:05:46,116 --> 01:05:51,382 - I was totally shocked and I believe everybody else there 1211 01:05:51,425 --> 01:05:53,253 was totally shocked at what they saw. 1212 01:05:53,297 --> 01:05:56,126 - What I saw is imprinted in my head. 1213 01:05:56,169 --> 01:05:59,651 I seen who I know was my Uncle Alfred. 1214 01:05:59,694 --> 01:06:05,570 ♪ 1215 01:06:05,613 --> 01:06:08,573 - NARRATOR: Alfred Ray Anglin, brother to the Alcatraz 1216 01:06:08,616 --> 01:06:14,013 escapees, well preserved after half a century underground. 1217 01:06:14,057 --> 01:06:16,581 - Because he's in that good of shape we should be able to 1218 01:06:16,624 --> 01:06:20,759 get the answer whether or not he was murdered and we can also 1219 01:06:20,802 --> 01:06:24,806 use the DNA to prove those bones are not any of the Anglins. 1220 01:06:24,850 --> 01:06:26,373 - Yeah. 1221 01:06:26,417 --> 01:06:27,940 We're actually going to solve two different things here, 1222 01:06:27,984 --> 01:06:29,202 one way or the other. 1223 01:06:29,246 --> 01:06:31,335 - He's going to be the answer to two questions. 1224 01:06:35,861 --> 01:06:37,123 - HENRY: I did some digging, you know. 1225 01:06:37,167 --> 01:06:38,429 Fred Brizzi. 1226 01:06:38,472 --> 01:06:40,170 And I came up with a potential lead for you. 1227 01:06:40,213 --> 01:06:42,563 His criminal history dates back to 1946... 1228 01:06:42,607 --> 01:06:44,043 - ART: Wow. 1229 01:06:44,087 --> 01:06:45,914 - ...and involves a wide gamut of things but primarily 1230 01:06:45,958 --> 01:06:48,004 narcotics and weapons offenses. 1231 01:06:49,657 --> 01:06:52,225 - NARRATOR: In the mid-1970s, Fred Brizzi was part of a 1232 01:06:52,269 --> 01:06:56,229 smuggling ring, moving marijuana, cocaine, and hashish 1233 01:06:56,273 --> 01:06:59,493 from South America and the Caribbean into central Florida. 1234 01:07:01,017 --> 01:07:05,021 In October of 76, with a plane laden full of drugs, 1235 01:07:05,064 --> 01:07:07,632 Brizzi and his companion were forced to crash-land their 1236 01:07:07,675 --> 01:07:10,983 prop plane in waters just outside of Ruskin... 1237 01:07:11,027 --> 01:07:13,812 where they engaged in a shootout with local fishermen 1238 01:07:13,855 --> 01:07:18,164 and were arrested for possession of $750,000 worth of drugs. 1239 01:07:19,600 --> 01:07:22,864 Brizzi was sentenced to 15 years behind bars. 1240 01:07:26,607 --> 01:07:29,697 But it was many years before his criminal exploits began that 1241 01:07:29,741 --> 01:07:33,962 ties Fred Brizzi to the Alcatraz case when he grew up in Ruskin 1242 01:07:34,006 --> 01:07:38,271 just down the street from the 14 siblings of the Anglin clan. 1243 01:07:40,534 --> 01:07:43,102 - Yeah, he's got really quite an extensive record here. 1244 01:07:43,146 --> 01:07:44,147 This is great stuff. 1245 01:07:44,190 --> 01:07:45,844 Thank you, I appreciate it, buddy. 1246 01:07:47,715 --> 01:07:49,369 - NARRATOR: The preliminary information the active marshal 1247 01:07:49,413 --> 01:07:52,459 provided is enough to pique the interest of Roderick. 1248 01:07:52,503 --> 01:07:54,896 Fred Brizzi was indeed a childhood friend of the 1249 01:07:54,940 --> 01:07:58,117 Anglin brothers, had an extensive rap sheet, 1250 01:07:58,161 --> 01:08:02,339 and, incredibly, was running drugs into central Florida 1251 01:08:02,382 --> 01:08:06,299 from somewhere in the Americas, even possibly from Brazil. 1252 01:08:08,780 --> 01:08:11,174 - The Brizzi story, I find very interesting. 1253 01:08:11,217 --> 01:08:13,959 What I find interesting about that, he was a pilot, 1254 01:08:14,002 --> 01:08:17,267 and I think he was probably concerned about what would 1255 01:08:17,310 --> 01:08:21,140 happen if he openly said he was involved in this escape. 1256 01:08:21,184 --> 01:08:24,491 My thought is, he more than likely assisted them 1257 01:08:24,535 --> 01:08:26,145 in the escape. 1258 01:08:26,189 --> 01:08:29,888 If those two individuals are in Brazil, then more than 1259 01:08:29,930 --> 01:08:31,845 likely he helped them get there. 1260 01:08:34,675 --> 01:08:36,850 - NARRATOR: With the new information on Brizzi, 1261 01:08:36,895 --> 01:08:39,202 Roderick heads to Reagan National for the flight 1262 01:08:39,245 --> 01:08:42,944 to south Florida and the very likely possibility 1263 01:08:42,988 --> 01:08:46,165 that tomorrow's autopsy of an Anglin brother may finally solve 1264 01:08:46,209 --> 01:08:50,517 the mystery in the 1962 Alcatraz escape. 1265 01:08:54,738 --> 01:09:00,613 [music] 1266 01:09:00,658 --> 01:09:02,399 - NARRATOR: Laying on a gurney at a funeral home in 1267 01:09:02,442 --> 01:09:07,011 Hillsborough County, Florida, is the corpse of Alfred Anglin. 1268 01:09:08,231 --> 01:09:10,319 He's the brother to Alcatraz escapees 1269 01:09:10,363 --> 01:09:13,801 John and Clarence Anglin, and he and the secrets he carries 1270 01:09:13,845 --> 01:09:15,673 have just been unearthed after more than 1271 01:09:15,716 --> 01:09:19,590 half a century underground. 1272 01:09:19,633 --> 01:09:23,202 Official Alabama prison records state Alfred was electrocuted to 1273 01:09:23,246 --> 01:09:27,728 death upon attempting an escape from Kilby prison in 1964. 1274 01:09:29,513 --> 01:09:33,125 But the Anglin family has long suspected a government cover-up, 1275 01:09:33,169 --> 01:09:36,607 believing Alfred was murdered by prison guards for refusing to 1276 01:09:36,649 --> 01:09:40,393 share inside information he had about his brother's escape 1277 01:09:40,437 --> 01:09:41,872 from Alcatraz. 1278 01:09:41,916 --> 01:09:44,528 - ART: Having Alfred exhumed takes care of the issue 1279 01:09:44,571 --> 01:09:47,008 that the family has that Alfred was beat to death 1280 01:09:47,051 --> 01:09:50,273 for having information that related to the brothers' escape, 1281 01:09:50,316 --> 01:09:54,364 but also it gives us a clean DNA sample for us. 1282 01:09:54,407 --> 01:09:57,018 - NARRATOR: Art Roderick is a retired United States Marshal 1283 01:09:57,062 --> 01:10:00,848 and has just arrived at the autopsy room from Washington. 1284 01:10:00,892 --> 01:10:03,938 He's acting as a liaison between the marshals and the family 1285 01:10:03,982 --> 01:10:06,767 of the escaped Anglin brothers, who have struck a once 1286 01:10:06,811 --> 01:10:09,161 unthinkable agreement. 1287 01:10:09,205 --> 01:10:11,990 The marshals will perform an autopsy on the corpse of 1288 01:10:12,033 --> 01:10:16,647 Alfred Anglin to definitively determine his cause of death... 1289 01:10:16,690 --> 01:10:20,303 ...and in return, the Anglins are providing a DNA sample from 1290 01:10:20,346 --> 01:10:23,654 Alfred's bone to be tested against the DNA of bones 1291 01:10:23,697 --> 01:10:26,700 that washed ashore in San Francisco Bay nine months 1292 01:10:26,744 --> 01:10:29,442 after the escape. 1293 01:10:30,965 --> 01:10:34,012 - Exhuming Alfred, I mean, that is so big. 1294 01:10:34,055 --> 01:10:35,666 I mean, that's everything. 1295 01:10:35,709 --> 01:10:37,842 You know, if we're able to test the DNA and figure out that, 1296 01:10:37,885 --> 01:10:40,061 you know, those bones belong to one of the brothers, 1297 01:10:40,105 --> 01:10:43,239 we solve one of the greatest mysteries from the 20th century. 1298 01:10:44,936 --> 01:10:47,417 - NARRATOR: For the Anglin family, who believe the men 1299 01:10:47,460 --> 01:10:51,159 made it across the water, learning the truth about Alfred, 1300 01:10:51,203 --> 01:10:54,337 and being able to share that story with the world, is one 1301 01:10:54,380 --> 01:10:58,732 of the main reasons to finally work with the authorities. 1302 01:10:58,776 --> 01:11:01,300 - KEN: I guarantee you, you could ask anyone today 1303 01:11:01,344 --> 01:11:04,347 and no one would know anything about Alfred Anglin. 1304 01:11:04,390 --> 01:11:07,785 And so to me, when we reached out to Art, 1305 01:11:07,828 --> 01:11:12,398 it was not only a way to say we know where they're at 1306 01:11:12,442 --> 01:11:15,227 and we're going to help you find them, but it was also 1307 01:11:15,271 --> 01:11:18,404 a way to give a voice to another brother 1308 01:11:18,448 --> 01:11:21,059 that everybody simply forgot. 1309 01:11:25,933 --> 01:11:28,719 - NARRATOR: Despite his time underground, Alfred's coffin 1310 01:11:28,762 --> 01:11:32,070 was almost perfectly sealed, preserving the body 1311 01:11:32,113 --> 01:11:35,203 better than anyone had expected. 1312 01:11:35,247 --> 01:11:37,728 - Now, what we're all gonna need to do, 1313 01:11:37,771 --> 01:11:39,425 everyone in the room, while she's shooting these, 1314 01:11:39,469 --> 01:11:40,992 you have to be out. 1315 01:11:41,035 --> 01:11:42,863 - NARRATOR: Dan Schultz is a noted pathologist 1316 01:11:42,907 --> 01:11:45,257 and medical examiner and has been in practice 1317 01:11:45,301 --> 01:11:47,346 for over 30 years. 1318 01:11:47,390 --> 01:11:50,828 His first step, before doing anything else to the corpse, 1319 01:11:50,871 --> 01:11:54,788 is to order a full body x-ray which will be used to determine 1320 01:11:54,832 --> 01:11:59,358 if the family's suspicions of foul play are justified. 1321 01:11:59,402 --> 01:12:03,971 - SPECIALIST: X-ray! OK. 1322 01:12:05,451 --> 01:12:06,278 - SPECIALIST: Look at that! 1323 01:12:06,322 --> 01:12:07,453 - DAN: Wow! 1324 01:12:07,497 --> 01:12:08,715 Nice. 1325 01:12:08,759 --> 01:12:09,716 Wow. 1326 01:12:09,760 --> 01:12:11,152 51 years. 1327 01:12:11,196 --> 01:12:11,979 - SPECIALIST: Amazing, isn't it? 1328 01:12:12,023 --> 01:12:13,590 - DAN: Isn't that amazing? 1329 01:12:13,633 --> 01:12:15,766 - ART: The family gets hung up on the inconsistencies as to 1330 01:12:15,809 --> 01:12:19,247 whether there was an autopsy or not, but the real evidence 1331 01:12:19,291 --> 01:12:21,380 is going to be what does the body look like? 1332 01:12:21,424 --> 01:12:24,514 Does the body look like it went through electrocution 1333 01:12:24,557 --> 01:12:25,689 or did it go through a beating? 1334 01:12:25,732 --> 01:12:27,604 That's the bottom line. 1335 01:12:27,647 --> 01:12:29,606 - DAN: So we're gonna just cut up the middle 1336 01:12:29,649 --> 01:12:32,086 and just take a look at what it looks like there. 1337 01:12:32,130 --> 01:12:34,262 - NARRATOR: With the x-rays complete, pathologist 1338 01:12:34,306 --> 01:12:37,135 Dan Schultz can begin his autopsy and the extraction 1339 01:12:37,178 --> 01:12:40,094 of bone for DNA sampling. 1340 01:12:40,138 --> 01:12:43,794 - DAN: So, you are gonna hold, uh, the bone down fixed 1341 01:12:43,837 --> 01:12:45,709 and I'm gonna cut a segment. 1342 01:12:45,752 --> 01:12:47,493 This is mid-shaft of the femur. 1343 01:12:47,537 --> 01:12:49,626 - DAN: In order to collect DNA, we took two samples. 1344 01:12:49,669 --> 01:12:52,455 We took one sample about seven centimeters long 1345 01:12:52,498 --> 01:12:55,196 from each femur, which is the best medium 1346 01:12:55,240 --> 01:12:56,763 for good identification. 1347 01:12:56,807 --> 01:12:59,810 And that's packaged up and will be sent to a laboratory. 1348 01:13:02,029 --> 01:13:05,381 - NARRATOR: The lab results will have far reaching consequences. 1349 01:13:05,424 --> 01:13:09,080 If the DNA samples are a match, it would mean that one of the 1350 01:13:09,123 --> 01:13:11,256 Anglin brothers died in the frigid waters 1351 01:13:11,299 --> 01:13:14,477 after escaping from the rock... 1352 01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:16,653 ...and the photo that the family believes is 1353 01:13:16,696 --> 01:13:20,613 John and Clarence Anglin in Brazil in 1975 1354 01:13:20,657 --> 01:13:22,398 is a complete fraud. 1355 01:13:24,225 --> 01:13:27,490 But if the DNA doesn't match, the only remaining lead 1356 01:13:27,533 --> 01:13:30,667 in this 53-year old case is that photo. 1357 01:13:32,625 --> 01:13:35,323 - At the end of the day, we can come up with every theory 1358 01:13:35,367 --> 01:13:38,631 in the world, but right now, there's nothing other 1359 01:13:38,675 --> 01:13:41,417 than this photograph to show that they made it out. 1360 01:13:43,331 --> 01:13:46,204 - NARRATOR: Roderick makes his way back to Washington D.C. 1361 01:13:46,247 --> 01:13:49,468 and heads straight for Michael Streed. 1362 01:13:49,512 --> 01:13:52,036 The facial imaging expert is in the middle of a detailed 1363 01:13:52,079 --> 01:13:56,040 analysis of the photo allegedly from Brazil to determine whether 1364 01:13:56,083 --> 01:14:01,306 the two men in the picture from 1975 could be Alcatraz escapees 1365 01:14:01,349 --> 01:14:03,830 John and Clarence Anglin. 1366 01:14:03,874 --> 01:14:06,442 - I think everybody who does some sort of forensic analysis 1367 01:14:06,485 --> 01:14:09,445 doesn't wanna be wrong, and I don't think in a case 1368 01:14:09,488 --> 01:14:12,099 like this, that you, you can be wrong, because it's not a 1369 01:14:12,143 --> 01:14:16,234 positive ID science, but I think the enormity of it for me was 1370 01:14:16,277 --> 01:14:19,411 not wasting people's time, not getting the family's hopes up 1371 01:14:19,455 --> 01:14:21,326 or getting law enforcement hopes up that they would 1372 01:14:21,369 --> 01:14:23,284 still be there, because they would have to provide 1373 01:14:23,328 --> 01:14:28,072 a tremendous amount of resources to reopening the case. 1374 01:14:28,115 --> 01:14:30,988 So, I took the photos that you provided and I went in 1375 01:14:31,031 --> 01:14:32,598 and scanned them in the computer. 1376 01:14:32,642 --> 01:14:36,559 So, what we'd like to do is kind of compare them together. 1377 01:14:36,602 --> 01:14:38,952 And the first thing on both pictures, but especially 1378 01:14:38,996 --> 01:14:41,564 on this one, is the forehead. 1379 01:14:41,607 --> 01:14:43,174 - ART: Mmhmm, yes. 1380 01:14:43,217 --> 01:14:44,784 - STREED: The height and the shape of the forehead, 1381 01:14:44,828 --> 01:14:46,394 as well as the frontal bone there. 1382 01:14:46,438 --> 01:14:48,745 If you look near the arrow there, that depression in both, 1383 01:14:48,788 --> 01:14:50,398 that's bone structure. 1384 01:14:50,442 --> 01:14:52,183 - The forehead just blows me away. 1385 01:14:52,226 --> 01:14:53,880 How similar the forehead is. 1386 01:14:53,924 --> 01:14:57,405 - STREED: Well, you can see the brow, that sharp downward turn 1387 01:14:57,449 --> 01:14:59,973 in the brow is what does it for me. 1388 01:15:00,017 --> 01:15:03,716 If you look at the ear outline as well, and we'll go ahead 1389 01:15:03,760 --> 01:15:06,284 and, uh, show you the ear overlay. 1390 01:15:06,327 --> 01:15:09,287 Let's see how it matches up to the tracing and the ear. 1391 01:15:09,330 --> 01:15:10,636 - ART: Wow. 1392 01:15:10,680 --> 01:15:11,724 - STREED: Look, look at that. 1393 01:15:11,768 --> 01:15:13,117 It fits. 1394 01:15:13,160 --> 01:15:14,205 Let's just go ahead and... 1395 01:15:14,248 --> 01:15:15,598 - ART: It does. 1396 01:15:15,641 --> 01:15:20,690 - STREED: And if you just toggle on and toggle off, 1397 01:15:20,733 --> 01:15:22,169 the whole things matches. 1398 01:15:22,213 --> 01:15:23,867 - It's evident, you can't discount it. 1399 01:15:23,910 --> 01:15:27,610 I mean, it really is like he's wearing the mask. 1400 01:15:27,653 --> 01:15:30,874 To me, that matches up. 1401 01:15:30,917 --> 01:15:36,923 - The nose, the hairline, the jawline. 1402 01:15:36,967 --> 01:15:38,882 - I'm listening to every word you say but my mind 1403 01:15:38,925 --> 01:15:41,667 is going 100 miles an hour here trying to figure out, 1404 01:15:41,711 --> 01:15:45,758 uh, what we do next. 1405 01:15:46,454 --> 01:15:48,674 I just never expected this. 1406 01:15:49,501 --> 01:15:51,808 - As a former detective and, you know, 1407 01:15:51,851 --> 01:15:54,419 as a forensic artist, but mostly as a detective, my gut instinct, 1408 01:15:54,462 --> 01:15:59,990 as a police officer would be to round up the posse. 1409 01:16:00,033 --> 01:16:02,035 - I can't believe this. 1410 01:16:05,604 --> 01:16:09,826 [music] 1411 01:16:09,869 --> 01:16:12,480 - NARRATOR: For over 50 years, the mysteries surrounding 1412 01:16:12,524 --> 01:16:15,614 the Alcatraz escape have both confounded authorities 1413 01:16:15,658 --> 01:16:17,834 and mesmerized the public. 1414 01:16:17,877 --> 01:16:21,054 Three fugitives, brothers John and Clarence Anglin, 1415 01:16:21,098 --> 01:16:24,275 along with Frank Morris, escaped from the Rock, 1416 01:16:24,318 --> 01:16:27,974 stepped into frigid waters and, having never been found, 1417 01:16:28,018 --> 01:16:31,151 secured a mythical place in American history. 1418 01:16:32,022 --> 01:16:33,632 - ART: The main reason why Alcatraz Island still 1419 01:16:33,676 --> 01:16:36,635 captivates everyone is because these three individuals 1420 01:16:36,679 --> 01:16:38,202 did the unimaginable. 1421 01:16:38,245 --> 01:16:39,856 It was really the great escape. 1422 01:16:43,163 --> 01:16:45,818 - NARRATOR: Art Roderick is a retired United States Marshal 1423 01:16:45,862 --> 01:16:48,908 and for the past few months has been working with the family 1424 01:16:48,952 --> 01:16:51,955 of the escaped Anglin brothers to pursue fresh leads 1425 01:16:51,998 --> 01:16:55,262 in the case thanks to shocking new evidence introduced 1426 01:16:55,306 --> 01:16:57,917 by the family members themselves. 1427 01:16:57,961 --> 01:17:02,966 [tape recording playing] 1428 01:17:04,707 --> 01:17:07,057 - NARRATOR: In his possession Roderick now holds the 1429 01:17:07,100 --> 01:17:11,322 final results of all aspects of their current investigation, 1430 01:17:11,365 --> 01:17:16,153 and he's in Leesburg, Georgia to deliver the news in person. 1431 01:17:16,196 --> 01:17:18,851 - ART: What I'm getting ready to tell the family about what we 1432 01:17:18,895 --> 01:17:21,506 found and the evidence that they gave me is going to move the 1433 01:17:21,549 --> 01:17:22,899 needle on this case. 1434 01:17:26,206 --> 01:17:28,339 - NARRATOR: For the Anglin family, the potentially 1435 01:17:28,382 --> 01:17:31,516 historic news the lawman is about to share 1436 01:17:31,559 --> 01:17:34,432 is less about American history and more about their 1437 01:17:34,475 --> 01:17:37,174 own personal history... 1438 01:17:37,217 --> 01:17:41,178 ...finding out what happened to three beloved family members. 1439 01:17:42,527 --> 01:17:44,921 - You know, it's more than a TV show for us. 1440 01:17:44,964 --> 01:17:47,488 This is personal. 1441 01:17:47,532 --> 01:17:49,142 This is real life for us. 1442 01:17:49,186 --> 01:17:51,667 I mean, we lived this every single day. 1443 01:17:54,408 --> 01:17:56,062 - KEN: Art! 1444 01:17:56,106 --> 01:17:58,412 - ART: How you doing? 1445 01:17:58,456 --> 01:17:59,675 - KEN: Good, good. 1446 01:17:59,718 --> 01:18:00,763 - MARIE: Good to see you. 1447 01:18:00,806 --> 01:18:01,720 - ART: Good to see you. 1448 01:18:01,764 --> 01:18:02,634 - DAVID: How you doing buddy? 1449 01:18:02,678 --> 01:18:03,896 - MARIE: Good to see you. 1450 01:18:03,940 --> 01:18:05,681 - ART: Well, we got a lot of stuff to go over. 1451 01:18:05,724 --> 01:18:08,248 Um, I think we should probably get to it. 1452 01:18:09,075 --> 01:18:09,989 - KEN: I'm ready for it. 1453 01:18:10,033 --> 01:18:10,816 - MARIE: I'm ready. 1454 01:18:10,860 --> 01:18:11,991 - DAVID: Absolutely ready. 1455 01:18:12,035 --> 01:18:13,210 - KEN: Let's go. 1456 01:18:13,253 --> 01:18:13,906 - DAVID: We've been waiting a long time. 1457 01:18:13,950 --> 01:18:16,126 - ART: Oh, I know. 1458 01:18:16,169 --> 01:18:17,997 - DAVID: My nerves were goin' crazy. 1459 01:18:18,041 --> 01:18:21,435 I knew that we were gonna prove something, I wasn't sure 1460 01:18:21,479 --> 01:18:26,223 exactly what it was, but I knew that it was gonna be big. 1461 01:18:26,266 --> 01:18:29,487 - : Well, first of all, Marie, um, Ken and David, 1462 01:18:29,530 --> 01:18:31,315 I want to thank you all for inviting me along 1463 01:18:31,358 --> 01:18:33,273 on this journey. 1464 01:18:33,317 --> 01:18:37,060 Having said that, you provided quite a bit of information. 1465 01:18:37,103 --> 01:18:39,410 Let's start with the first thing you gave me which 1466 01:18:39,453 --> 01:18:41,934 was the Christmas cards. 1467 01:18:41,978 --> 01:18:47,026 It was very difficult to confirm what year those cards were made, 1468 01:18:47,070 --> 01:18:50,856 and as far as being able to confirm that it's actual 1469 01:18:50,900 --> 01:18:54,164 evidence that they made it out, the Christmas cards really, 1470 01:18:54,207 --> 01:18:56,427 really don't provide that type of information. 1471 01:18:56,470 --> 01:18:57,515 OK? 1472 01:18:57,558 --> 01:18:59,256 - That was strike one for me. 1473 01:18:59,299 --> 01:19:00,910 I was like, OK. 1474 01:19:00,953 --> 01:19:06,219 You know, uh, now he's bringing out the results for Alfred. 1475 01:19:06,263 --> 01:19:10,833 - The, uh, second item is near and dear to your family. 1476 01:19:10,876 --> 01:19:13,966 And it's, concerns Alfred's death. 1477 01:19:14,010 --> 01:19:15,054 - KEN: Right. 1478 01:19:15,054 --> 01:19:15,098 - ART: OK. 1479 01:19:16,752 --> 01:19:19,232 Allowing us to exhume Alfred's body, obviously that served 1480 01:19:19,276 --> 01:19:21,321 a dual purpose, number one, you as the family 1481 01:19:21,365 --> 01:19:24,890 wanted to find out if there was any evidence as to 1482 01:19:24,934 --> 01:19:26,892 how he passed away. 1483 01:19:26,936 --> 01:19:29,068 From the Marshal Service perspective, you know, 1484 01:19:29,112 --> 01:19:31,723 we wanted to get a DNA sample to compare it to the remains that 1485 01:19:31,767 --> 01:19:34,030 were found in San Francisco Bay. 1486 01:19:34,073 --> 01:19:39,165 We were, we were actually able to, uh, do both those things. 1487 01:19:39,209 --> 01:19:42,342 The medical examiner provided us a report. 1488 01:19:42,386 --> 01:19:46,869 Basically what he did is he did a regular autopsy there, okay? 1489 01:19:46,912 --> 01:19:51,830 But they also did a head to foot, um, x-ray. 1490 01:19:51,874 --> 01:19:55,791 And I've got copies of this here. 1491 01:19:55,834 --> 01:20:02,101 So this is exactly what they did to determine, you know, 1492 01:20:02,145 --> 01:20:07,019 if there could be any possible trauma to the bones. 1493 01:20:09,717 --> 01:20:11,763 - DAVID: Wow. 1494 01:20:12,808 --> 01:20:16,986 - ART: And the bottom line is when he did the complete medical 1495 01:20:17,029 --> 01:20:22,687 examination, they could find no trauma to any of the bones. 1496 01:20:22,730 --> 01:20:25,124 - That was strike two for me. 1497 01:20:25,168 --> 01:20:26,996 I was like, "Man." 1498 01:20:27,039 --> 01:20:30,738 You know, it was just a downer, another downer. 1499 01:20:30,782 --> 01:20:34,394 - When you look at all the evidence around Alfred's death, 1500 01:20:34,438 --> 01:20:38,659 it makes no sense whatsoever. 1501 01:20:38,703 --> 01:20:41,749 - Yes, it was definitely one of the, one of the things 1502 01:20:41,793 --> 01:20:43,447 we needed to know. 1503 01:20:43,490 --> 01:20:44,840 - KEN: Right. 1504 01:20:44,883 --> 01:20:46,711 - Yeah, we really appreciate you, you doing this. 1505 01:20:46,754 --> 01:20:48,147 - MARIE: Absolutely. 1506 01:20:48,191 --> 01:20:50,758 - No, it, um, you know, we're doing this together. 1507 01:20:50,802 --> 01:20:52,630 Obviously we wouldn't be at this point without your help. 1508 01:20:52,673 --> 01:20:54,937 And that's the key thing to this case right now. 1509 01:20:54,980 --> 01:20:58,941 I think we all want a resolution one way or the other. 1510 01:20:58,984 --> 01:21:01,378 - The Christmas cards come back as a strike. 1511 01:21:01,421 --> 01:21:04,337 The autopsy come back on Alfred, you know, that there was 1512 01:21:04,381 --> 01:21:06,296 no blunt force trauma. 1513 01:21:06,339 --> 01:21:07,863 Uh, strike two. 1514 01:21:07,906 --> 01:21:12,955 This DNA we really needed to be right. 1515 01:21:12,998 --> 01:21:15,871 This could not be strike three for us. 1516 01:21:15,914 --> 01:21:20,049 - We were able to take two seven millimeter samples from 1517 01:21:20,092 --> 01:21:23,791 Alfred's femur bone, which the marshal service requested 1518 01:21:23,835 --> 01:21:27,360 to be able to compare Alfred's DNA profile, with the profile 1519 01:21:27,404 --> 01:21:31,538 that was of the remains that were found in San Francisco Bay. 1520 01:21:31,582 --> 01:21:35,020 We then sent it off to a forensic anthropologist 1521 01:21:35,064 --> 01:21:39,851 and they were able to actually come up with a comparison 1522 01:21:39,895 --> 01:21:43,115 between Alfred's DNA and the DNA that was located 1523 01:21:43,159 --> 01:21:45,291 in San Francisco Bay. 1524 01:21:52,995 --> 01:21:55,649 - Unrelated. 1525 01:21:55,693 --> 01:21:56,476 - KEN: I knew it. 1526 01:21:56,520 --> 01:21:57,042 - DAVID: Wasn't his bones. 1527 01:21:57,086 --> 01:21:58,522 - KEN: I knew it. 1528 01:21:58,565 --> 01:22:00,176 - MARIE: I knew that was not... 1529 01:22:00,219 --> 01:22:01,351 - DAVID: Awesome, I knew it wasn't theirs. 1530 01:22:01,394 --> 01:22:02,265 - ART: I mean you're never gonna get-- 1531 01:22:02,308 --> 01:22:03,266 - KEN: I had no doubt. 1532 01:22:03,309 --> 01:22:04,180 That was not them. 1533 01:22:04,223 --> 01:22:05,877 - ART: It's not even close. 1534 01:22:05,921 --> 01:22:09,141 I think it's like 9,200 to 1. 1535 01:22:09,185 --> 01:22:11,796 So it's way out there. 1536 01:22:11,839 --> 01:22:13,189 - I knew it. 1537 01:22:13,232 --> 01:22:14,233 - KEN: That's exactly what I wanted to hear. 1538 01:22:14,277 --> 01:22:15,191 - MARIE: I knew it. 1539 01:22:15,234 --> 01:22:18,324 - That was, that was big for me. 1540 01:22:18,368 --> 01:22:21,458 - This proved it is not them. 1541 01:22:21,501 --> 01:22:24,069 100% proof. 1542 01:22:24,113 --> 01:22:26,115 - Well, I'm not done yet. 1543 01:22:26,158 --> 01:22:29,379 As you recall, when you shared this information with me 1544 01:22:29,422 --> 01:22:32,295 initially I was pretty excited about this last piece of 1545 01:22:32,338 --> 01:22:33,557 information. 1546 01:22:33,600 --> 01:22:35,428 This is the picture of who you believe are 1547 01:22:35,472 --> 01:22:36,864 John and Clarence Anglin. 1548 01:22:36,908 --> 01:22:38,431 I told you, I think, at that point exactly 1549 01:22:38,475 --> 01:22:39,911 what I was going to do. 1550 01:22:39,955 --> 01:22:43,697 We went to a very well-known forensic artist. 1551 01:22:43,741 --> 01:22:47,963 And he gave me his, his initial impression and then did 1552 01:22:48,006 --> 01:22:50,617 a full-blown, actually walked me through the whole process 1553 01:22:50,661 --> 01:22:55,361 of how he was able to do the comparison and his conclusion 1554 01:22:55,405 --> 01:22:58,277 was actually pretty simple. 1555 01:22:58,321 --> 01:23:04,066 He said that it's highly likely that the two individuals 1556 01:23:04,109 --> 01:23:08,809 in that 1975 photograph are John and Clarence Anglin. 1557 01:23:08,853 --> 01:23:09,506 - KEN: Told you. 1558 01:23:09,549 --> 01:23:10,463 - DAVID: I knew it! 1559 01:23:10,507 --> 01:23:11,508 - KEN: I told you. 1560 01:23:11,551 --> 01:23:12,813 - MARIE: [laughs] I knew it! 1561 01:23:12,857 --> 01:23:13,989 - DAVID: Boy, you just gave me chills. 1562 01:23:14,032 --> 01:23:15,033 I knew it was them. 1563 01:23:15,077 --> 01:23:15,860 - KEN: I knew! 1564 01:23:15,903 --> 01:23:17,340 I told you! 1565 01:23:17,383 --> 01:23:19,298 - ART: Now, again they're never gonna give you 100%... 1566 01:23:19,342 --> 01:23:20,082 - DAVID: Right. 1567 01:23:20,125 --> 01:23:21,648 - ART: But... 1568 01:23:21,692 --> 01:23:23,433 - DAVID: Hey, that's close enough for me, buddy. 1569 01:23:23,476 --> 01:23:25,043 That's close enough for me. 1570 01:23:25,087 --> 01:23:26,697 - ART: ...I asked him, I asked him the question, 1571 01:23:26,740 --> 01:23:29,656 "If this was you and you were in my place as an investigator, 1572 01:23:29,700 --> 01:23:31,136 what would you do?" 1573 01:23:31,180 --> 01:23:34,139 And he basically said, "I would round up the posse." 1574 01:23:34,183 --> 01:23:35,836 - KEN: Oh my god! 1575 01:23:35,880 --> 01:23:37,099 - MARIE: Oh man! 1576 01:23:37,142 --> 01:23:38,187 - KEN: Whew! 1577 01:23:38,230 --> 01:23:41,451 I knew in my heart that it was them. 1578 01:23:41,494 --> 01:23:44,193 I wanted science to kinda back it up. 1579 01:23:44,236 --> 01:23:46,717 This is a new chapter that's about to be written. 1580 01:23:46,760 --> 01:23:49,459 And we're gonna be part of that chapter. 1581 01:23:49,502 --> 01:23:52,331 - I can't wait 'til the world hears this! 1582 01:23:52,375 --> 01:23:54,681 - So now that you have that from the guy who looked 1583 01:23:54,725 --> 01:23:57,728 at these photographs, what do you believe? 1584 01:23:57,771 --> 01:24:03,212 - Well, I'm, I'm changing my mind based on the, 1585 01:24:03,255 --> 01:24:06,258 the photograph, which I think I told you that the photograph 1586 01:24:06,302 --> 01:24:09,087 to me was the most convincing thing. 1587 01:24:09,131 --> 01:24:13,352 Obviously this is a complete game-changer in this case. 1588 01:24:13,396 --> 01:24:14,353 - DAVID: Yes. 1589 01:24:14,397 --> 01:24:15,702 - MARIE: It is. 1590 01:24:15,746 --> 01:24:20,620 - Um, obviously the DNA, coupled with the... 1591 01:24:20,664 --> 01:24:21,752 - KEN: Sorry, I... 1592 01:24:21,795 --> 01:24:23,014 - ART: No, that's fine. 1593 01:24:23,058 --> 01:24:24,494 - KEN: I am still, I'm still just floored. 1594 01:24:24,537 --> 01:24:28,324 - Listen, I was bowled over myself so, um, have at it. 1595 01:24:29,716 --> 01:24:33,590 - DAVID: The family does feel vindicated, uh, about everything 1596 01:24:33,633 --> 01:24:40,249 that we found, mainly because we now can prove to the world 1597 01:24:40,292 --> 01:24:44,079 that those boys did not drown in that water. 1598 01:24:46,342 --> 01:24:51,042 And that photo is actually the only piece of evidence that 1599 01:24:51,086 --> 01:24:53,653 proves that they made it. 1600 01:24:56,700 --> 01:25:02,662 ♪ 1601 01:25:02,706 --> 01:25:09,800 ♪ 1602 01:25:09,843 --> 01:25:12,542 - ART: I'm very lucky to be sitting here now and in this 1603 01:25:12,585 --> 01:25:16,023 very short period of time, have brought this case 1604 01:25:16,067 --> 01:25:19,723 to this point where I truly believe we're going to close it. 1605 01:25:19,766 --> 01:25:31,735 ♪ 1606 01:25:31,778 --> 01:25:43,442 ♪ 1607 01:25:43,486 --> 01:25:44,226 - Director Harlow. 1608 01:25:44,269 --> 01:25:45,183 - Art, good to see you. 1609 01:25:45,227 --> 01:25:46,402 Good to see you sir. 1610 01:25:46,445 --> 01:25:55,628 ♪ 122731

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