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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:05,827 --> 00:00:08,137 [people chanting] 2 00:00:08,137 --> 00:00:11,034 [narrator] The early 1980s. 3 00:00:11,034 --> 00:00:14,103 [reporter]12 million people are unemployed in our country, 4 00:00:14,103 --> 00:00:16,655 1.3 million of them in California, 5 00:00:16,655 --> 00:00:20,206 more than 150,000 right here in the Bay Area, 6 00:00:20,206 --> 00:00:21,758 like this self-styled Reaganville 7 00:00:21,758 --> 00:00:23,965 near the railroad tracks in Berkeley. 8 00:00:23,965 --> 00:00:27,448 Those are the conditions for tough times and real struggle. 9 00:00:27,448 --> 00:00:29,310 [Regan] I regret to say... 10 00:00:29,310 --> 00:00:31,241 that we're in the worst economic mess since 11 00:00:31,241 --> 00:00:32,620 the Great Depression. 12 00:00:36,862 --> 00:00:39,241 [upbeat music plays] 13 00:00:44,551 --> 00:00:46,965 [narrator] The San Francisco Bay Area, 14 00:00:46,965 --> 00:00:50,310 located on the Western edge of the continental United States, 15 00:00:50,310 --> 00:00:55,655 has a long history of supporting new music and free expression, 16 00:00:55,655 --> 00:00:58,310 from jazz experimentation, 17 00:00:58,310 --> 00:01:01,344 to beat poetry, to rock and roll. 18 00:01:02,896 --> 00:01:06,482 By 1980, with the American economy in recession, 19 00:01:06,482 --> 00:01:09,275 a new group of teenagers came of age, 20 00:01:09,275 --> 00:01:11,379 and they wanted a new music. 21 00:01:11,379 --> 00:01:13,793 Something faster, something heavier, 22 00:01:13,793 --> 00:01:19,103 something that mirrored their own lives and not the previous generations. 23 00:01:19,103 --> 00:01:20,965 From far away Europe, 24 00:01:20,965 --> 00:01:23,241 heavy metal sounds were slowly rippling westward, 25 00:01:23,241 --> 00:01:25,344 carried by word of mouth, 26 00:01:25,344 --> 00:01:27,275 a few rare, imported records, 27 00:01:27,275 --> 00:01:29,034 some bootleg cassette tapes, 28 00:01:29,034 --> 00:01:31,482 and music magazines. 29 00:01:31,482 --> 00:01:36,241 But California was too far away for most of these bands to tour here. 30 00:01:36,241 --> 00:01:39,724 So the young music fans of the Bay Area did what we do best. 31 00:01:39,724 --> 00:01:42,241 We didn't wait for the music we wanted. 32 00:01:42,241 --> 00:01:44,896 We created our own. 33 00:01:44,896 --> 00:01:46,344 [interviewer] Are we rolling? 34 00:01:46,344 --> 00:01:48,586 Right, I just want to say one thing first: 35 00:01:48,586 --> 00:01:50,241 Posers must die! 36 00:01:50,241 --> 00:01:52,620 We were out of our minds. We were kind of crazy. 37 00:01:52,620 --> 00:01:54,241 We were just kids. 38 00:01:54,241 --> 00:01:55,517 Kids run amok. 39 00:01:55,517 --> 00:01:57,758 It was scary, and it was dark. 40 00:01:57,758 --> 00:01:59,379 It's this outlet for angst. 41 00:01:59,379 --> 00:02:00,689 I'm Alex Skolnick, 42 00:02:00,689 --> 00:02:03,000 born and raised in Berkeley, California. 43 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:04,827 Hey, I'm James Hetfield from Metallica. 44 00:02:04,827 --> 00:02:06,793 This is the music you don't want your parents to hear. 45 00:02:06,793 --> 00:02:08,103 Gary Holt. 46 00:02:08,103 --> 00:02:09,827 David Ellefson, bassist for Megadeth. 47 00:02:09,827 --> 00:02:11,448 I don't need to say my name. 48 00:02:11,448 --> 00:02:13,448 Everybody watching this knows who I am. [laughs] 49 00:02:13,448 --> 00:02:15,724 We were doing it for chicks and beer, and I didn't drink. 50 00:02:15,724 --> 00:02:18,241 My name's Chuck Billy. I grew up in Dublin, California, 51 00:02:18,241 --> 00:02:20,275 and the pits were violent as hell. 52 00:02:20,275 --> 00:02:22,448 Mark Osegueda from the San Francisco Bay Area. 53 00:02:22,448 --> 00:02:24,758 Phil Demmel from Dublin, California. 54 00:02:24,758 --> 00:02:28,103 The volume, the craziness, was epic. 55 00:02:28,103 --> 00:02:29,793 Wow, we've got to do more of this. 56 00:02:29,793 --> 00:02:31,586 Robb Flynn, Oakland, California. 57 00:02:31,586 --> 00:02:34,482 My name's Rick Hunolt. I played guitar for Exodus. 58 00:02:34,482 --> 00:02:36,275 People have passion for the metal. 59 00:02:36,275 --> 00:02:37,793 There's no distinction between the bands and the fans. 60 00:02:37,793 --> 00:02:39,862 We called it, "The Land Of Misfit Toys." 61 00:02:39,862 --> 00:02:41,793 People in our scene, we felt invincible. 62 00:02:41,793 --> 00:02:43,724 It was about survival. It was like... Ah! 63 00:02:43,724 --> 00:02:46,103 Exodus had the destruction recipe. [laughs] 64 00:02:46,103 --> 00:02:47,620 If Exodus was playing, we were there. 65 00:02:47,620 --> 00:02:49,517 [whispers] That's Paul Baloff. 66 00:02:49,517 --> 00:02:51,517 Kirk came up with a name, and we were just like, wow. 67 00:02:51,517 --> 00:02:53,137 What was the question again? 68 00:02:53,137 --> 00:02:54,931 My name is Lars Ulrich, and I'm from Denmark. 69 00:02:54,931 --> 00:02:57,206 Tom Araya. Fucking Slayer. 70 00:02:57,206 --> 00:02:59,310 Singer and bass player for Slayer. 71 00:02:59,310 --> 00:03:01,241 I got goosebumps talking about it right now, man. 72 00:03:01,241 --> 00:03:02,655 My name is Paul Bostaph. 73 00:03:02,655 --> 00:03:05,724 Larry Lalonde, El Sereno, California. 74 00:03:05,724 --> 00:03:07,137 Charlie Benante, 75 00:03:07,137 --> 00:03:08,965 and I'm from the Bronx, New York. 76 00:03:08,965 --> 00:03:11,344 Dave Lombardo, South East, L.A. 77 00:03:11,344 --> 00:03:14,206 There was an aura of watching history happen. 78 00:03:14,206 --> 00:03:15,827 East Bay guys. 79 00:03:15,827 --> 00:03:17,655 They played before us, and that was kind of a mistake. 80 00:03:17,655 --> 00:03:19,724 I am Robert Trujillo. 81 00:03:19,724 --> 00:03:21,655 I'm from Santa Monica, California. 82 00:03:21,655 --> 00:03:23,862 There goes that guy who was in Metallica. What's he up to? 83 00:03:23,862 --> 00:03:25,965 It wasn't as exciting as you thought it would be, was it? 84 00:03:25,965 --> 00:03:27,586 [theme music plays] 85 00:03:38,551 --> 00:03:39,758 [Kirk Hammett] We were far away from the city. 86 00:03:39,758 --> 00:03:41,620 We were isolated. 87 00:03:41,620 --> 00:03:44,862 There was nothing to do. 88 00:03:44,862 --> 00:03:46,620 All we had was music, you know? 89 00:03:46,620 --> 00:03:48,241 It was a pilgrimage. 90 00:03:48,241 --> 00:03:49,827 We would mow a few lawns, save a few bucks, 91 00:03:49,827 --> 00:03:52,344 take the Alameda across the county bus transit 92 00:03:52,344 --> 00:03:54,896 to the BART station, take BART to Berkeley, 93 00:03:54,896 --> 00:03:56,310 and walk up to Telegraph. 94 00:03:56,310 --> 00:03:59,310 Instantly we went to all the hard rock stuff, 95 00:03:59,310 --> 00:04:02,206 you know, Aerosmith, Deep Purple, Black Sabbath, 96 00:04:02,206 --> 00:04:04,586 Led Zeppelin, Thin Lizzy. 97 00:04:04,586 --> 00:04:06,758 Anything and everything that was around that had an edge, 98 00:04:06,758 --> 00:04:08,724 that was loud and energetic, 99 00:04:08,724 --> 00:04:10,275 I just went to. 100 00:04:10,275 --> 00:04:12,862 Kirk was the first guy to ever play me, like, 101 00:04:12,862 --> 00:04:14,655 Uli Roth-era Scorpions, 102 00:04:14,655 --> 00:04:17,000 and that was the first day we ever hung out. 103 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:20,793 And that was when we met at his house to go see Ted Nugent and the Scorpions. 104 00:04:20,793 --> 00:04:23,448 But there was other stuff coming out of England and Germany 105 00:04:23,448 --> 00:04:26,896 that nobody was really was partial to on a large scale, 106 00:04:26,896 --> 00:04:28,413 other than the kids that I knew. 107 00:04:28,413 --> 00:04:31,137 The kids of my age, uh, were listening to disco. 108 00:04:31,137 --> 00:04:32,689 They were listening to pop, 109 00:04:32,689 --> 00:04:34,965 and I just wasn't really interested in that. 110 00:04:34,965 --> 00:04:38,000 We all went to the same record stores. There was very few. 111 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:41,137 There was something that I just wasn't getting enough of 112 00:04:41,137 --> 00:04:43,689 until I heard this one band called UFO. 113 00:04:43,689 --> 00:04:46,896 They had the heaviness. They had the intensity. 114 00:04:46,896 --> 00:04:48,275 They had the energy. 115 00:04:48,275 --> 00:04:50,310 They had the musicianship. 116 00:04:50,310 --> 00:04:51,965 They had a guitar player that was sent from heaven 117 00:04:51,965 --> 00:04:53,793 named Michael Schenker. 118 00:04:53,793 --> 00:04:57,172 Me and John Marshall became obsessed with UFO. 119 00:04:57,172 --> 00:04:58,379 [heavy metal music plays] 120 00:05:10,965 --> 00:05:13,379 [audience applause] 121 00:05:15,448 --> 00:05:17,827 [Lars Ulrich] I was hanging out up in Berkeley 122 00:05:17,827 --> 00:05:19,344 in April or May of 1980, 123 00:05:19,344 --> 00:05:21,724 and I was walking along Telegraph Avenue. 124 00:05:21,724 --> 00:05:23,965 [Erik Lannon] You'd see him down on Telegraph and Berkeley all the time. 125 00:05:23,965 --> 00:05:26,344 [Lars Ulrich] As I was walking, I heard a Motorhead song. 126 00:05:26,344 --> 00:05:29,241 [Erik] You could hear him coming from a block or two away, you know? 127 00:05:29,241 --> 00:05:30,758 [Lars] A total character. 128 00:05:30,758 --> 00:05:33,137 There was this crazy skinny tall dude. 129 00:05:33,137 --> 00:05:35,413 [Erik] Denim vest on, long hair, 130 00:05:35,413 --> 00:05:38,137 big Thin Lizzy Chinatown patch on his back, 131 00:05:38,137 --> 00:05:40,310 and he was playing Motorhead on his boombox. 132 00:05:40,310 --> 00:05:42,206 You know, up on his shoulder. 133 00:05:42,206 --> 00:05:45,206 This is back in the day when you'd carry a big boombox that needed, 134 00:05:45,206 --> 00:05:47,965 like, D cells, like, ten of them. 135 00:05:47,965 --> 00:05:49,758 He had this boombox about this big on his shoulder, 136 00:05:49,758 --> 00:05:51,310 and he would just be-- 137 00:05:51,310 --> 00:05:52,862 [Erik] Blasting Motorhead, 138 00:05:52,862 --> 00:05:54,862 and that was Rich Birch. 139 00:05:54,862 --> 00:05:58,275 This shit was so loud it was like a Memorex commercial. 140 00:05:59,206 --> 00:06:00,689 Whoa, who's that guy? 141 00:06:00,689 --> 00:06:02,965 That seems like somebody we should know. 142 00:06:02,965 --> 00:06:06,655 [Kirk] Very quickly I got invited to hang out with some of his crew 143 00:06:06,655 --> 00:06:11,275 and ended up in a place in the Golden Gate Park called Strawberry Hill, 144 00:06:11,275 --> 00:06:14,034 where I met Ron Quintana. 145 00:06:14,034 --> 00:06:15,517 Ian Kallen. 146 00:06:15,517 --> 00:06:18,448 It was the beginning of getting to know 147 00:06:18,448 --> 00:06:20,655 that crew of people that were all the 148 00:06:20,655 --> 00:06:25,482 IronMaiden/Motorhead/ Saxon/Diamond Head/ Merciful Fate fanatics. 149 00:06:25,482 --> 00:06:29,931 By 1980, music sucked. 1979 sucked worse. 150 00:06:29,931 --> 00:06:32,172 Being a kid in San Francisco, 151 00:06:32,172 --> 00:06:35,965 radio was going downhill disco. 152 00:06:35,965 --> 00:06:38,068 So radio stations were really bad. 153 00:06:38,068 --> 00:06:42,068 Luckily there was KUSF, which could play harder punk stuff. 154 00:06:42,068 --> 00:06:44,689 So that's where you'd first hear UFO maybe once in a while. 155 00:06:44,689 --> 00:06:47,413 And at high school I ran into a friend, 156 00:06:47,413 --> 00:06:50,137 and he said, "You've got to go to this store called the Record Vault. 157 00:06:50,137 --> 00:06:51,620 It's amazing." 158 00:06:51,620 --> 00:06:54,068 I got on the bus. I headed up, walked in, 159 00:06:54,068 --> 00:06:57,413 and it was like walking into Mecca. 160 00:06:57,413 --> 00:06:59,793 It was dark. It was cool. 161 00:06:59,793 --> 00:07:01,689 There was Motorhead playing, 162 00:07:01,689 --> 00:07:06,551 and all over the walls was everything that I was into. 163 00:07:06,551 --> 00:07:08,275 We'd find all this great, imported metal, you know? 164 00:07:08,275 --> 00:07:10,551 Budgie, Venom, 165 00:07:10,551 --> 00:07:13,275 Diamond Head, and Sweet Savage demos. 166 00:07:13,275 --> 00:07:15,310 All this stuff that we really loved that you weren't going to find at, 167 00:07:15,310 --> 00:07:17,448 like, Tower Records. 168 00:07:17,448 --> 00:07:21,172 Back then you'd be hanging out in the record store for two, three hours. 169 00:07:21,172 --> 00:07:23,620 You only have $20 bucks in your pocket, 170 00:07:23,620 --> 00:07:26,551 so you were trying to figure out which two records to buy. You know, it took a while. 171 00:07:26,551 --> 00:07:28,931 It was the place everybody came to find out things. 172 00:07:28,931 --> 00:07:32,275 It was the place everybody came to buy their new release, 173 00:07:32,275 --> 00:07:38,034 to get their copy of Metal Mania, Ardschok, Kerrang!,whatever. 174 00:07:38,034 --> 00:07:39,482 And it was awesome. 175 00:07:39,482 --> 00:07:41,551 It was an amazing experience just to go there 176 00:07:41,551 --> 00:07:45,517 and see all these like minded people that were there, too, 177 00:07:45,517 --> 00:07:47,965 shopping for the same stuff, and they're all wearing vests, 178 00:07:47,965 --> 00:07:49,482 back patches, and into metal 179 00:07:49,482 --> 00:07:51,896 and into all this underground stuff. 180 00:07:51,896 --> 00:07:54,379 The record stores would have the albums set up on the wall 181 00:07:54,379 --> 00:07:56,344 and on a little shelf, so you could see the cover, 182 00:07:56,344 --> 00:08:00,103 and there was the first Iron Maiden album cover with Eddie on it. 183 00:08:00,103 --> 00:08:03,034 It was like, oh, shit, look at that. 184 00:08:03,034 --> 00:08:04,620 Down in Southern California, 185 00:08:04,620 --> 00:08:06,862 my place was called Middle Earth Records. 186 00:08:06,862 --> 00:08:10,724 You know, you'd have to go in and order the record. 187 00:08:10,724 --> 00:08:13,379 There was such an anticipation around getting it. 188 00:08:13,379 --> 00:08:14,965 All the different bands, you know, 189 00:08:14,965 --> 00:08:18,034 all these different, unique sounds and styles, 190 00:08:18,034 --> 00:08:19,275 and we were just-- 191 00:08:19,275 --> 00:08:21,379 We just dove head first into it. 192 00:08:21,379 --> 00:08:25,965 I gravitated towards these metal bands because they were an escape. 193 00:08:25,965 --> 00:08:27,551 You listen to an Iron Maiden song, and they're talking about 194 00:08:27,551 --> 00:08:30,103 a fantasy that was no different, in my head, 195 00:08:30,103 --> 00:08:31,689 to a Stephen King novel. 196 00:08:31,689 --> 00:08:34,620 Yes, there were murders. Yes, there were Satanic things. 197 00:08:34,620 --> 00:08:37,034 It was fantasy. It didn't make me want to go out 198 00:08:37,034 --> 00:08:39,448 and slaughter babies or anything. 199 00:08:39,448 --> 00:08:43,551 It was an escape from my suburban, teenage life. 200 00:08:43,551 --> 00:08:45,896 This is just a drawing of Eddie. 201 00:08:45,896 --> 00:08:48,068 I was a huge Iron Maiden fan, 202 00:08:48,068 --> 00:08:51,344 and obviously I should've been paying more attention in geometry. 203 00:08:51,344 --> 00:08:53,551 I got a 27 out of 52. 204 00:08:53,551 --> 00:08:57,448 [narrator]The compact cassette tape came of age in the 1970s. 205 00:08:57,448 --> 00:08:59,793 Inexpensive and easy to record, 206 00:08:59,793 --> 00:09:01,620 tape-traders quickly adopted it 207 00:09:01,620 --> 00:09:04,896 as a means of spreading the newest sounds. 208 00:09:04,896 --> 00:09:08,482 In the pages of Kerrang!, they would have pen pal ads. 209 00:09:08,482 --> 00:09:10,275 Kerrang! would run them for free. 210 00:09:10,275 --> 00:09:12,103 That's what started everything. 211 00:09:12,103 --> 00:09:15,620 That's how I found out about Brian Lew and KJ Doughton. 212 00:09:15,620 --> 00:09:17,724 KJ had a ton of Maiden, and so did Brian. 213 00:09:17,724 --> 00:09:19,241 So that was cool. 214 00:09:19,241 --> 00:09:20,793 That was another big staple of the movement. 215 00:09:20,793 --> 00:09:22,931 Everyone had their demo and bootleg list, 216 00:09:22,931 --> 00:09:26,965 and they'd ask for the other person's list and trade tapes. 217 00:09:26,965 --> 00:09:29,137 Back then it was snail mail, tapes, 218 00:09:29,137 --> 00:09:31,344 stamps, and handwritten letters. 219 00:09:31,344 --> 00:09:35,586 All of a sudden I was getting letters from people in Germany, Holland, France, 220 00:09:35,586 --> 00:09:38,275 England, New York and Chicago. 221 00:09:38,275 --> 00:09:40,689 It just opened up this whole worldview. 222 00:09:40,689 --> 00:09:44,413 I had been now trading with so many people, getting tapes 223 00:09:44,413 --> 00:09:47,172 and fanzines from England, mainly. 224 00:09:47,172 --> 00:09:51,448 This list kept growing from two, three, four, five, six pages. 225 00:09:51,448 --> 00:09:54,482 Then I realized, "Well, I want to do a fanzine," 226 00:09:54,482 --> 00:09:57,448 and I started to add pictures in July. 227 00:09:57,448 --> 00:10:01,793 And it became Metal Mania by August of 1981. 228 00:10:01,793 --> 00:10:03,310 When I first met Ron, 229 00:10:03,310 --> 00:10:05,206 he made me a compilation tape. 230 00:10:05,206 --> 00:10:06,931 I mean, it was the thing to do. 231 00:10:06,931 --> 00:10:09,137 It was part of the conversation back then in the early '80s. 232 00:10:09,137 --> 00:10:12,931 The thing that maybe has become the misconception over the years about 233 00:10:12,931 --> 00:10:16,172 the tape-trading network is that we weren't dubbing albums. 234 00:10:16,172 --> 00:10:18,241 We were dubbing live bootlegs. 235 00:10:18,241 --> 00:10:21,172 You know, at that time part of being a music fan, 236 00:10:21,172 --> 00:10:23,103 is you wanted to own the record. 237 00:10:23,103 --> 00:10:24,689 You wanted to own the seven-inch single, 238 00:10:24,689 --> 00:10:28,103 because it made you feel part of something bigger. 239 00:10:30,862 --> 00:10:33,206 In high school, 240 00:10:33,206 --> 00:10:35,000 they had a guitar class, 241 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:37,241 and it was literally 30 people learning how to play guitar. 242 00:10:37,241 --> 00:10:39,241 And in that class was Mark Biederman, 243 00:10:39,241 --> 00:10:42,068 who was eventually in Blind Illusion, and Kirk. 244 00:10:42,068 --> 00:10:44,000 Before Gary was in the band, you know, 245 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:45,827 when it was just Kirk and them. 246 00:10:45,827 --> 00:10:49,310 They sometimes rehearsed at our rehearsal space. 247 00:10:49,310 --> 00:10:53,379 And Kirk and I were in Mr. Bee's class together, the guitar class. 248 00:10:53,379 --> 00:10:56,827 We were kind of just mostly learning our instruments. 249 00:10:56,827 --> 00:11:00,655 And you know, Kirk turned me on to so many different kinds of music. 250 00:11:00,655 --> 00:11:04,310 Like, I had never heard UFO or the Scorpions. 251 00:11:04,310 --> 00:11:05,793 All we had was music, you know? 252 00:11:05,793 --> 00:11:07,551 And then when we got into the music, 253 00:11:07,551 --> 00:11:09,689 all we had were each other. 254 00:11:09,689 --> 00:11:12,310 We wanted to take it to the next level, so we got instruments. 255 00:11:12,310 --> 00:11:16,000 And I think that the anger of being in a place 256 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:18,793 that just didn't have enough to offer, you know, 257 00:11:18,793 --> 00:11:20,793 the frustration of being bored. 258 00:11:20,793 --> 00:11:24,206 I think a lot of that got channeled into our instruments. 259 00:11:24,206 --> 00:11:26,482 [rock music playing] 260 00:11:30,862 --> 00:11:32,793 [narrator] In Los Angeles, 261 00:11:32,793 --> 00:11:35,758 a new heavy metal was beginning to rise. 262 00:11:35,758 --> 00:11:38,586 In December of 1980, a friend of mine and I-- 263 00:11:38,586 --> 00:11:40,862 Who were the only two people, by the way, 264 00:11:40,862 --> 00:11:43,448 at the time who knew anything about the new wave of heavy metal. 265 00:11:43,448 --> 00:11:45,793 Went to see Michael Schenker Group play at a place called the Country Club in Reseda. 266 00:11:45,793 --> 00:11:48,620 After the show, my friend John was in the parking lot, 267 00:11:48,620 --> 00:11:52,586 and he saw some kid wearing a Saxon European T-shirt. 268 00:11:52,586 --> 00:11:55,275 Now, in 1980 nobody knew who Saxon was in L.A., 269 00:11:55,275 --> 00:11:57,206 let alone had a European T-shirt. 270 00:11:57,206 --> 00:11:58,931 And that of course was a kid named Lars Ulrich. 271 00:11:58,931 --> 00:12:00,758 Fast-forward to when James and I had the band. 272 00:12:00,758 --> 00:12:05,068 One thing led to another, and we started playing in L.A. 273 00:12:05,068 --> 00:12:06,551 A year-and-a-half or so later, 274 00:12:06,551 --> 00:12:09,103 we got the idea to do a compilation album. 275 00:12:09,103 --> 00:12:11,379 Lars called me up one day and said, "If I put together a band, 276 00:12:11,379 --> 00:12:14,000 can I be on your album?" Like, of course. Absolutely. 277 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:18,448 So Lars and me are always talking about doing a magazine. 278 00:12:18,448 --> 00:12:19,965 We need a store, man. 279 00:12:19,965 --> 00:12:21,620 Let's just start a club and hang out. 280 00:12:21,620 --> 00:12:23,620 And Lars, in his way, you know, he was like, 281 00:12:23,620 --> 00:12:25,310 "Oh, that's cool. That's a good idea, man." 282 00:12:25,310 --> 00:12:29,551 He showed me a list of his future band or club names. 283 00:12:29,551 --> 00:12:32,413 So he had, like, generic, hot-rod-y 284 00:12:32,413 --> 00:12:34,862 American car names: 285 00:12:34,862 --> 00:12:36,310 Thunderbolt, 286 00:12:37,034 --> 00:12:38,758 Metal Mania, Metallica. 287 00:12:38,758 --> 00:12:41,034 He had a huge list of names. 288 00:12:41,034 --> 00:12:43,068 That ended up being some band that starts with an "M". 289 00:12:43,068 --> 00:12:44,517 I think it was Metallica, 290 00:12:44,517 --> 00:12:46,068 that we misspelled on the very first [laughs] 291 00:12:46,068 --> 00:12:48,137 version of the record. 292 00:12:48,137 --> 00:12:50,551 Lars always was able to make things happen. 293 00:12:50,551 --> 00:12:53,655 Somehow he landed them a gig opening for Saxon. 294 00:12:53,655 --> 00:12:55,896 James didn't play guitar. He just sang. 295 00:12:55,896 --> 00:12:57,551 And Dave Mustaine played guitar. 296 00:12:57,551 --> 00:12:59,689 Their set consisted of "Hit the Lights," 297 00:12:59,689 --> 00:13:04,034 "Blitzkrieg" by Blitzkrieg, and about five Diamond Head covers. 298 00:13:04,034 --> 00:13:05,620 That was pretty much it. 299 00:13:05,620 --> 00:13:07,517 The selection of the cover songs we did 300 00:13:07,517 --> 00:13:11,758 I think was a little bit more involved, 301 00:13:11,758 --> 00:13:14,620 because we all kind of had a say in what bands we liked. 302 00:13:16,586 --> 00:13:18,655 When Metal Mania 5 came out right after Metallica 303 00:13:18,655 --> 00:13:20,793 played their very first shows ever. 304 00:13:20,793 --> 00:13:24,137 So, Lars helped write an article about his show 305 00:13:24,137 --> 00:13:25,793 and this great new band, Metallica. 306 00:13:25,793 --> 00:13:28,034 He wrote this little article 307 00:13:28,034 --> 00:13:30,068 about L.A. heavy metal 308 00:13:30,068 --> 00:13:32,862 and young metal attack Metallica, 309 00:13:32,862 --> 00:13:35,034 and this is the very first article ever 310 00:13:35,034 --> 00:13:36,551 of Metallica. 311 00:13:36,551 --> 00:13:38,793 and of course it was written by Lars. [laughs] 312 00:13:38,793 --> 00:13:42,758 But they never really quite fit in with the L.A. crowd. 313 00:13:42,758 --> 00:13:44,862 We got gigs when we could, as many as we could. 314 00:13:44,862 --> 00:13:46,724 You know, we got kicked out of a few clubs 315 00:13:46,724 --> 00:13:50,379 because they thought we were a punk rock band. 316 00:13:50,379 --> 00:13:52,034 With Brian Slagel's help, 317 00:13:52,034 --> 00:13:54,551 we were able to go up to the San Francisco area 318 00:13:54,551 --> 00:13:57,517 with a few other L.A. bands. 319 00:13:57,517 --> 00:13:58,931 Man, it was on. 320 00:13:58,931 --> 00:14:01,034 [heavy metal plays] 321 00:14:07,103 --> 00:14:09,206 [Sven Soderlund] When they came up to San Francisco, 322 00:14:09,206 --> 00:14:11,551 and they saw the energy that was involved, 323 00:14:11,551 --> 00:14:14,344 they just wanted to be in that element. 324 00:14:16,103 --> 00:14:17,896 And it helped them tremendously, 325 00:14:17,896 --> 00:14:19,413 and it helped us grow as a scene 326 00:14:19,413 --> 00:14:21,620 in San Francisco and the Bay Area, as well. 327 00:14:21,620 --> 00:14:23,482 A lot of bands came out of the East Bay. 328 00:14:23,482 --> 00:14:26,413 A lot of musicians came out of the East Bay. 329 00:14:26,413 --> 00:14:27,827 The East Bay is a fucked up place. 330 00:14:27,827 --> 00:14:30,413 In the '70s and early 80s, 331 00:14:30,413 --> 00:14:32,586 it had high unemployment, 332 00:14:32,586 --> 00:14:34,275 high crime rate, 333 00:14:34,275 --> 00:14:37,034 and it was a boring place. 334 00:14:37,034 --> 00:14:38,482 My mom worked a lot, 335 00:14:38,482 --> 00:14:40,172 so like in the daytime I had a lot of 336 00:14:40,172 --> 00:14:42,724 free time to myself to just jam out at home. 337 00:14:45,275 --> 00:14:47,000 We were ghetto kids, you know? 338 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:49,448 We stole shit, you know? 339 00:14:49,448 --> 00:14:52,793 Like, there's the time the Wagon Wheel liquor store 340 00:14:52,793 --> 00:14:54,482 in Pinole burned down, right? 341 00:14:54,482 --> 00:14:57,137 You know, most people stay away from burnt out buildings. 342 00:14:57,137 --> 00:14:59,206 Not Exodus. We crawled through the wreckage, 343 00:14:59,206 --> 00:15:02,931 because there was dozens and dozens of bottles of alcohol in there. 344 00:15:02,931 --> 00:15:04,413 I actually met Gary shoplifting 345 00:15:04,413 --> 00:15:07,206 when we were going to junior high school. 346 00:15:07,206 --> 00:15:08,724 We had nothing given to us. 347 00:15:08,724 --> 00:15:11,724 We stole some of our first equipment. 348 00:15:11,724 --> 00:15:13,344 Gary was a friend of mine from Richmond, 349 00:15:13,344 --> 00:15:15,344 and he was kind of helping us out 350 00:15:15,344 --> 00:15:17,241 with gear and stuff like that. 351 00:15:17,241 --> 00:15:19,206 Then Kirk gave him a guitar lesson, and... 352 00:15:19,206 --> 00:15:21,413 [explosion] Wow. 353 00:15:21,413 --> 00:15:22,482 Taught me how to play guitar, you know? 354 00:15:22,482 --> 00:15:24,137 I hold a pick the way I do, 355 00:15:24,137 --> 00:15:25,965 I fret a bar chord the way I do. 356 00:15:25,965 --> 00:15:28,620 We do it exactly the same, because he showed me. 357 00:15:28,620 --> 00:15:30,482 Here's how you hold a pick. So, all right, 358 00:15:30,482 --> 00:15:32,241 I'll hold a pick like that, then. 359 00:15:32,241 --> 00:15:34,931 It was Kirk saying yeah, I want to jam with people 360 00:15:34,931 --> 00:15:38,482 finding guys that played, and making it happen. 361 00:15:38,482 --> 00:15:41,965 I remember walking into this party, not knowing anyone, 362 00:15:41,965 --> 00:15:44,137 seeing this one short guy 363 00:15:44,137 --> 00:15:47,413 with hair that was just like mushroom-shaped, super long, 364 00:15:47,413 --> 00:15:49,655 [raspy voice] and he was talking like this 365 00:15:49,655 --> 00:15:53,241 [normal voice] and was cracking jokes, and some of it was pretty funny. 366 00:15:53,241 --> 00:15:55,655 And he started talking about music. He's like, 367 00:15:55,655 --> 00:15:58,482 [mimics voice] "Oh, yeah, Judas Priest. So heavy, so heavy. 368 00:15:58,482 --> 00:16:01,068 Oh, Maiden is so heavy, so heavy." 369 00:16:01,068 --> 00:16:03,379 And I said to him, "Hey, bro, you know UFO?" He goes... 370 00:16:03,379 --> 00:16:05,172 ♪ Rock bottom! ♪ 371 00:16:05,172 --> 00:16:06,620 ♪ Rock bottom! ♪ 372 00:16:06,620 --> 00:16:08,275 And starts singing "Rock Bottom" to me. 373 00:16:08,275 --> 00:16:10,275 ♪ Seventeen and nature's queen ♪ 374 00:16:10,275 --> 00:16:11,896 I looked at him and said, 375 00:16:11,896 --> 00:16:13,965 "You're going to be the singer of our new band, Exodus." 376 00:16:13,965 --> 00:16:15,758 He's like, "Okay." 377 00:16:15,758 --> 00:16:20,000 Then from that minute on we were inseparable. 378 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:22,551 His name was Pablo Nikolaivich Paulakersokoff. 379 00:16:22,551 --> 00:16:24,241 It means, Son of Nicholas in Russian. 380 00:16:24,241 --> 00:16:26,000 He was a blue blood Russian. 381 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:27,896 He was a little tiny guy, 382 00:16:27,896 --> 00:16:30,068 very aggressive. A strong, thick, 383 00:16:30,068 --> 00:16:31,655 100-percent Russian man. 384 00:16:31,655 --> 00:16:33,896 Paul was Paul, take it or leave it. 385 00:16:33,896 --> 00:16:37,103 I mean, he had so much charisma and so much energy 386 00:16:37,103 --> 00:16:38,689 that you just wanted to be around him. 387 00:16:38,689 --> 00:16:40,586 [heavy metal plays] 388 00:16:40,586 --> 00:16:44,965 He couldn't sing that well, but he could sing good enough. 389 00:16:44,965 --> 00:16:47,206 [singing thrash metal] 390 00:16:56,862 --> 00:16:58,620 That's where the line-up really came together, 391 00:16:58,620 --> 00:17:02,655 you know, it's when we found the band's voice. 392 00:17:02,655 --> 00:17:04,689 Baloff wasn't a singer when we met him. 393 00:17:04,689 --> 00:17:07,344 He was just a headbanger like us. 394 00:17:11,137 --> 00:17:15,068 When Exodus played, they just got the crowd completely insane. 395 00:17:15,068 --> 00:17:16,413 [Ron Quintana over radio] 396 00:17:31,137 --> 00:17:32,206 [heavy thrash metal plays] 397 00:17:36,482 --> 00:17:40,551 Paul's first show was at the Ducal Palace in Alameda, 398 00:17:40,551 --> 00:17:43,413 which is some little hall pizza joint kind of place, you know? 399 00:17:43,413 --> 00:17:47,965 And I remember, like, I knew he was the right guy for the job 400 00:17:47,965 --> 00:17:50,793 because it was one of those places that's got a stage that's about a foot high. 401 00:17:50,793 --> 00:17:53,931 And next thing you know, he's over on top of the tables, 402 00:17:53,931 --> 00:17:55,758 and he's just rocking them fiercely like that, 403 00:17:55,758 --> 00:17:59,137 trying to break them. It was just fucking awesome. 404 00:17:59,137 --> 00:18:00,862 He checked everyone's attitude 405 00:18:00,862 --> 00:18:02,862 and made sure that if you're hanging out with us, 406 00:18:02,862 --> 00:18:05,896 you're into the music, you knew the music, 407 00:18:05,896 --> 00:18:08,620 and you weren't an F'ing poser. 408 00:18:08,620 --> 00:18:09,655 [heavy metal plays] 409 00:18:17,793 --> 00:18:19,758 [Brian Slagel] I was friends with all the people in San Francisco. 410 00:18:19,758 --> 00:18:21,965 There was a really great scene going on up there, 411 00:18:21,965 --> 00:18:24,275 so I was able to put together a Metal Massacre show 412 00:18:24,275 --> 00:18:26,965 at the Stone in San Francisco, which was one of the big clubs there. 413 00:18:26,965 --> 00:18:29,896 So it was going to be three bands from L.A. 414 00:18:29,896 --> 00:18:31,931 and I called up Lars and said, "Hey, one of the bands dropped out. 415 00:18:31,931 --> 00:18:34,241 We have this gig up in San Francisco. You guys want to do it?" 416 00:18:34,241 --> 00:18:37,206 We weren't one of the three bigger bands. 417 00:18:37,206 --> 00:18:39,517 We weren't even first on the agenda there, 418 00:18:39,517 --> 00:18:41,862 but we got invited when somebody canceled. 419 00:18:41,862 --> 00:18:44,448 [Dave Mustaine] So we hopped in Ron McGovney's pickup truck with our gear, 420 00:18:44,448 --> 00:18:46,896 and off we went with a trailer in the back. 421 00:18:46,896 --> 00:18:50,103 [Dave Mustaine recorded] 422 00:18:50,103 --> 00:18:52,724 [audience cheering] 423 00:18:52,724 --> 00:18:54,551 [Erik] There were only a handful of people there. 424 00:18:54,551 --> 00:18:57,034 I know a lot of people claimed to have been there. 425 00:18:57,034 --> 00:19:01,344 I was actually given this shirt by their original bass player, Ron McGovney. 426 00:19:01,344 --> 00:19:03,827 And that was the most amazing evening I ever saw, 427 00:19:03,827 --> 00:19:05,689 because in L.A. they were outcast. Nobody knew. 428 00:19:05,689 --> 00:19:09,448 And we went up to San Francisco, and that place went crazy. 429 00:19:09,448 --> 00:19:12,379 [narrator] In September 1982, 430 00:19:12,379 --> 00:19:15,655 Metallica played their first show in San Francisco. 431 00:19:15,655 --> 00:19:18,448 The reaction was immediate and explosive. 432 00:19:18,448 --> 00:19:21,482 My mom didn't let me go. 433 00:19:21,482 --> 00:19:24,862 [Ron Quintana] Dave had this charisma that just took over the band, 434 00:19:24,862 --> 00:19:26,620 and when Metallica played, 435 00:19:26,620 --> 00:19:28,448 I thought he was going to be the next superstar 436 00:19:28,448 --> 00:19:31,137 because he was so crazy on stage, 437 00:19:31,137 --> 00:19:32,896 and funny. 438 00:19:32,896 --> 00:19:35,413 Who the fuck's the frontman, you or him? 439 00:19:35,413 --> 00:19:37,724 And I liked it because, you know, I've got a big mouth. 440 00:19:37,724 --> 00:19:39,241 I like to talk. [chuckles] 441 00:19:39,241 --> 00:19:41,724 [heavy metal plays] 442 00:19:41,724 --> 00:19:43,482 Some of those people that I had befriended 443 00:19:43,482 --> 00:19:45,793 for the previous year or two came, 444 00:19:45,793 --> 00:19:48,172 and you felt there was a scene, 445 00:19:48,172 --> 00:19:51,862 sort of a collection of people that were really fans of the music, 446 00:19:51,862 --> 00:19:53,655 which was a really different thing than 447 00:19:53,655 --> 00:19:56,689 what was happening in L.A. at the time. 448 00:19:56,689 --> 00:19:58,482 So it was a very, uh, 449 00:19:58,482 --> 00:19:59,655 surreal, 450 00:19:59,655 --> 00:20:01,758 transformative experience for us. 451 00:20:01,758 --> 00:20:04,551 [Brian Lew] We were all teenagers. They were in a band onstage. 452 00:20:04,551 --> 00:20:06,517 We were teenagers in the crowd. 453 00:20:06,517 --> 00:20:08,724 And at the time, Metallica were doing Diamond Head covers, 454 00:20:08,724 --> 00:20:11,827 you know, one of those bands we didn't think anybody else knew about. 455 00:20:11,827 --> 00:20:14,000 And when they launched into "The Prince," 456 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:16,000 that's when the bond with that band 457 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:20,000 and the Bay Area happened. If you know that band, you're a brother. 458 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:21,137 That was the switch. 459 00:20:21,137 --> 00:20:22,758 Yeah, I remember that first show, 460 00:20:22,758 --> 00:20:26,965 seeing fans that didn't care what they looked like. 461 00:20:26,965 --> 00:20:29,206 I mean, they had cutoff denim and stuff. 462 00:20:29,206 --> 00:20:30,724 They didn't care. 463 00:20:30,724 --> 00:20:34,310 And they were at the front of the stage, 464 00:20:34,310 --> 00:20:38,103 headbanging, because the music did that for them. 465 00:20:38,103 --> 00:20:40,413 They weren't gathered around the bar scene or anything. 466 00:20:40,413 --> 00:20:42,172 They were there for the music. 467 00:20:42,172 --> 00:20:44,724 I think we had a much different relationship with our fans, 468 00:20:44,724 --> 00:20:47,448 because we were salt of the earth. 469 00:20:47,448 --> 00:20:51,172 Metallica came up to the Bay Area to play the Old Waldorf, 470 00:20:51,172 --> 00:20:53,103 and I remember watching them thinking, 471 00:20:53,103 --> 00:20:54,965 "Fucking pretty cool." 472 00:20:54,965 --> 00:20:58,827 Then Laaz Rockit came on and played for literally, like, 25 people, 473 00:20:58,827 --> 00:21:00,896 and that said a lot to me. 474 00:21:00,896 --> 00:21:04,620 It said a lot to Baloff. It said to everyone in Exodus. 475 00:21:04,620 --> 00:21:06,724 We were like, okay. 476 00:21:06,724 --> 00:21:10,586 All right, we know what's working here, and we know what's not. 477 00:21:10,586 --> 00:21:13,137 Yeah, so Metallica, I first got hip to them through the demo. 478 00:21:13,137 --> 00:21:15,862 So shortly after that, the band I was playing with at the time, 479 00:21:15,862 --> 00:21:17,620 Laaz Rockit, we were playing a show together. 480 00:21:17,620 --> 00:21:19,965 They were playing before us. Mistake. 481 00:21:19,965 --> 00:21:23,206 Something about Metallica. They had that special-- 482 00:21:23,206 --> 00:21:25,758 That kick, 483 00:21:25,758 --> 00:21:27,275 and you know? 484 00:21:27,275 --> 00:21:29,068 They got that extra boost of adrenaline that 485 00:21:29,068 --> 00:21:32,310 I think made everyone step up their game. Everyone. 486 00:21:32,310 --> 00:21:34,172 Then we played a show the next day, 487 00:21:34,172 --> 00:21:38,068 and it was a benefit for Metal Mania. 488 00:21:38,068 --> 00:21:39,965 It was kind of a hodgepodge thing 489 00:21:39,965 --> 00:21:43,896 that was put together in 24 hours. They needed to find bands. 490 00:21:43,896 --> 00:21:45,758 They had got Metallica. 491 00:21:45,758 --> 00:21:47,517 They asked us to open. We said sure, we'll open the show. 492 00:21:47,517 --> 00:21:49,931 This is at the Mabuhay Gardens. 493 00:21:49,931 --> 00:21:51,379 We played our show. 494 00:21:51,379 --> 00:21:54,034 Then Metallica came on, and they played. 495 00:21:54,034 --> 00:21:55,482 And they were just fantastic. 496 00:21:55,482 --> 00:21:57,586 That's when I first met James, 497 00:21:57,586 --> 00:22:00,275 and that's when I first met Lars. 498 00:22:00,275 --> 00:22:04,896 You know, it's funny because it was a window into things to come in my future, 499 00:22:04,896 --> 00:22:06,827 because as I was talking to Lars, 500 00:22:06,827 --> 00:22:10,827 he got undressed and changed right in front of me. 501 00:22:10,827 --> 00:22:15,793 I was like, wow, why is this guy doing that? 502 00:22:15,793 --> 00:22:17,551 Then I realized, oh, 503 00:22:17,551 --> 00:22:20,827 this is, I guess, what European people do. 504 00:22:20,827 --> 00:22:22,482 [laughs] Because... 505 00:22:22,482 --> 00:22:24,551 You know, I lived in the East Bay. 506 00:22:24,551 --> 00:22:30,206 All I had to contend with was rednecks everywhere, you know? 507 00:22:30,206 --> 00:22:33,655 [narrator] Metallica's legendary demo cassette, "No Life Til Leather," 508 00:22:33,655 --> 00:22:37,034 was recorded in the summer of 1982. 509 00:22:37,034 --> 00:22:40,724 It immediately became a stapleof the tape-trading underground 510 00:22:40,724 --> 00:22:44,586 and established the band as a force to be reckoned with. 511 00:22:44,586 --> 00:22:47,620 [Lars] First we did a four-song demo called "Power Metal," 512 00:22:47,620 --> 00:22:49,896 and then the infamous "No Life Til Leather" tape 513 00:22:49,896 --> 00:22:51,758 came a couple months after. 514 00:22:51,758 --> 00:22:54,793 I just started sending it to all the same people 515 00:22:54,793 --> 00:22:58,413 that I'd been trading some of this other underground metal stuff with, 516 00:22:58,413 --> 00:23:02,000 Like the KJ Doughtons of the world. 517 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:03,379 Oh, my God, this is tape is amazing. 518 00:23:03,379 --> 00:23:05,275 It just crushes. It's unbelievable, 519 00:23:05,275 --> 00:23:07,310 they've come so far. 520 00:23:07,310 --> 00:23:10,724 And I sent Brian the first Metallica demo, 521 00:23:10,724 --> 00:23:12,620 and I think that's the first taste he got of it. 522 00:23:18,379 --> 00:23:20,137 [Tony Isabella] While working at the club, 523 00:23:20,137 --> 00:23:24,344 one of my coworkers had started to do a Monday night event 524 00:23:24,344 --> 00:23:26,517 called Metal Monday, 525 00:23:26,517 --> 00:23:29,931 and these bands that later became thrash were presented. 526 00:23:29,931 --> 00:23:33,241 And it was clear this was a new direction. 527 00:23:33,241 --> 00:23:35,344 [Craig Behrhurst] Attendance on a Tuesday morning in any of the high schools 528 00:23:35,344 --> 00:23:38,172 across the Bay Area was pretty poor. 529 00:23:38,172 --> 00:23:41,000 I can attest to that, because a lot of us were still in high school. 530 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:42,793 [Harold Olmden] The Bay Area people were so loyal to the band that 531 00:23:42,793 --> 00:23:44,620 if they didn't like the band, they would actually 532 00:23:44,620 --> 00:23:47,896 turn their backs on the band while they were playing. 533 00:23:47,896 --> 00:23:49,793 [Brian] There was a band called Hans Naughty. 534 00:23:49,793 --> 00:23:51,413 They were based in San Francisco 535 00:23:51,413 --> 00:23:54,965 but with a very much Los Angeles Sunset Strip aesthetic, 536 00:23:54,965 --> 00:23:56,620 and they were on the bill with Metallica. 537 00:23:56,620 --> 00:23:59,620 There were fans that had patches of 538 00:23:59,620 --> 00:24:02,275 obviously their favorite bands on and what not. 539 00:24:02,275 --> 00:24:05,689 They would show how much they liked the band or didn't like the band. 540 00:24:05,689 --> 00:24:07,862 We might've flipped them off a couple times, and that got boring. 541 00:24:07,862 --> 00:24:13,655 [K.J. Doughton] They just quietly turned, and that was I guess silent protest. 542 00:24:13,655 --> 00:24:15,862 They got across that hey, you're not a favorite band, 543 00:24:15,862 --> 00:24:20,517 and we're waiting for this one, the one that's on my back patch. 544 00:24:20,517 --> 00:24:22,586 [Ray Burton] Cliff came to us and said, 545 00:24:22,586 --> 00:24:25,793 "I'd like to learn to play bass guitar." 546 00:24:25,793 --> 00:24:27,482 Jan and I said yeah, 547 00:24:27,482 --> 00:24:30,482 so we got him a cheap guitar and a cheap amplifier, 548 00:24:30,482 --> 00:24:32,655 then started giving him lessons. 549 00:24:32,655 --> 00:24:34,413 And from then on... 550 00:24:35,137 --> 00:24:37,551 it was all Cliff. 551 00:24:37,551 --> 00:24:41,034 I knew about Cliff Burton from his previous band, Trauma, 552 00:24:41,034 --> 00:24:42,862 because Baloff knew about Trauma. 553 00:24:42,862 --> 00:24:44,758 Baloff had seen Trauma and said, "Oh, you got to see this band. 554 00:24:44,758 --> 00:24:48,517 They've got a killer bass player and a killer guitar player." 555 00:24:48,517 --> 00:24:49,862 He said to me one day, "Hey, let's-- 556 00:24:49,862 --> 00:24:51,413 you want to go 557 00:24:51,413 --> 00:24:55,275 to San Francisco to see a show at the Stone?" 558 00:24:55,275 --> 00:24:58,482 "What's going on?" He goes, "Well, let's see this band Metallica." 559 00:24:58,482 --> 00:25:00,724 Maybe a couple months later, I was talking to Lars. 560 00:25:00,724 --> 00:25:02,793 He said, "Do you know any good bass players out there?" 561 00:25:02,793 --> 00:25:06,517 I said, "Well, there's this band from San Francisco 562 00:25:06,517 --> 00:25:08,965 with this amazing bass player named Cliff Burton. 563 00:25:08,965 --> 00:25:11,275 I saw him at the Troubadour a while ago, coming down and playing again. 564 00:25:11,275 --> 00:25:14,275 "You guys should come." So Lars was like, "Okay, cool." 565 00:25:14,275 --> 00:25:16,551 The show happens. Lars and James were there. 566 00:25:16,551 --> 00:25:19,275 I didn't know how far into the set, but it was pretty early. 567 00:25:19,275 --> 00:25:21,551 Maybe the second or third song Lars goes to me, 568 00:25:21,551 --> 00:25:23,172 "That's going to be our bass player." 569 00:25:23,172 --> 00:25:25,482 [bass plays] 570 00:25:27,482 --> 00:25:30,965 [James Hetfield] Cliff represented the Bay Area. 571 00:25:30,965 --> 00:25:33,137 He represented a freedom. 572 00:25:33,137 --> 00:25:36,310 He represented a freakness 573 00:25:36,310 --> 00:25:39,724 that I didn't know 574 00:25:39,724 --> 00:25:41,827 so much growing up in L.A. 575 00:25:41,827 --> 00:25:45,413 I went and saw Cliff play with Trauma at the Keystone Berkeley, 576 00:25:45,413 --> 00:25:48,413 and it was no secret that the band knew 577 00:25:48,413 --> 00:25:50,827 that Cliff was about to be poached from them. 578 00:25:50,827 --> 00:25:53,413 That's where Cliff belonged, was in Metallica. 579 00:25:53,413 --> 00:25:56,620 [Ray] Cliff would be talking to somebody on the phone. 580 00:25:56,620 --> 00:25:58,827 And just talk, talk. 581 00:25:58,827 --> 00:26:00,793 And this went on for, 582 00:26:00,793 --> 00:26:03,206 oh, golly, I'd swear a month. 583 00:26:03,206 --> 00:26:04,724 Finally I said to Jan, 584 00:26:04,724 --> 00:26:07,413 "Who's Cliff talking to on the phone so much?" 585 00:26:07,413 --> 00:26:10,965 And she said, "Well, there's a band from Los Angeles 586 00:26:10,965 --> 00:26:13,793 that wants him to join them." 587 00:26:13,793 --> 00:26:16,413 And Cliff said, 588 00:26:16,413 --> 00:26:20,758 "No, I'm not going to go down to L.A., I said, 589 00:26:20,758 --> 00:26:23,724 "If you guys want me to join your band, 590 00:26:23,724 --> 00:26:25,758 you can come up to the Bay Area." 591 00:26:25,758 --> 00:26:28,172 And by golly, here they did. [laughs] 592 00:26:28,172 --> 00:26:29,275 Then one day... 593 00:26:29,275 --> 00:26:30,448 [phone rings] 594 00:26:30,448 --> 00:26:32,103 Baloff called me up and said, 595 00:26:32,103 --> 00:26:33,965 "That guy Cliff Burton, bass player for Trauma, 596 00:26:33,965 --> 00:26:38,103 is in Metallica now!" And I said, "No fucking way." 597 00:26:46,655 --> 00:26:48,689 And then I saw them at the Stone, 598 00:26:48,689 --> 00:26:52,172 you know, Cliff's first gig at the Stone. I was just like-- 599 00:27:00,689 --> 00:27:03,310 [Gary Holt] It was kind of like looking in a mirror. 600 00:27:03,310 --> 00:27:05,172 Here's another band playing, like, 601 00:27:05,172 --> 00:27:07,241 kind of what we are, you know, 602 00:27:07,241 --> 00:27:10,137 their own stamp on it. But, you know, 603 00:27:10,137 --> 00:27:13,862 I remember just hanging out and getting hammered that night, 604 00:27:13,862 --> 00:27:16,517 and we just all kind of said the same thing. 605 00:27:16,517 --> 00:27:18,413 We kind of found our kindred spirit, you know? 606 00:27:18,413 --> 00:27:20,655 [James] There was a lot of integrity 607 00:27:20,655 --> 00:27:22,896 in the metal scene in San Francisco. 608 00:27:22,896 --> 00:27:25,689 Besides going up on the hill by the park 609 00:27:25,689 --> 00:27:29,275 and just blasting whatever music we were loving, 610 00:27:29,275 --> 00:27:31,137 booze and music, you know? 611 00:27:31,137 --> 00:27:33,620 That was our collective. That's where we got to know each other 612 00:27:33,620 --> 00:27:36,000 and really feel like we had a family. 613 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,413 [man] Cliff is the one that brought us to the Bay Area. 614 00:27:38,413 --> 00:27:41,827 If you want me in the band, you got to come up here. 615 00:27:41,827 --> 00:27:44,793 [narrator] On December 28th, 1982, 616 00:27:44,793 --> 00:27:47,517 Cliff Burton was invited to play in a small house in El Cerrito 617 00:27:47,517 --> 00:27:52,379 that would later come to be known as the Metallica Mansion. 618 00:27:52,379 --> 00:27:54,275 Part audition, part rehearsal, 619 00:27:54,275 --> 00:27:56,517 only a lucky few were there. 620 00:27:56,517 --> 00:27:59,034 No audio exists, but fortunately for history 621 00:27:59,034 --> 00:28:03,000 Brian Lew brought his camera and photographed the new band lineup. 622 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,448 [Brian] At some point Lars probably called me and said, 623 00:28:05,448 --> 00:28:08,448 "You know, we're going to be playing with our new bassist." 624 00:28:08,448 --> 00:28:11,206 Ron Quintana was there. Rich Burch was there. 625 00:28:11,206 --> 00:28:13,827 Ian Callin, who did Metal Mania with Ron, was there. 626 00:28:13,827 --> 00:28:16,758 There was a group of maybe five or six of us. 627 00:28:16,758 --> 00:28:19,206 There's this little room in El Cerrito, 628 00:28:19,206 --> 00:28:22,172 and that was the living room where Metallica played with Cliff for the first time. 629 00:28:22,172 --> 00:28:24,206 And that was it. 630 00:28:31,310 --> 00:28:33,931 Jamming with Cliff for the first time in the living room there, 631 00:28:33,931 --> 00:28:37,482 hearing "Seek and Destroy," and all of a sudden he's doing some stuff. 632 00:28:37,482 --> 00:28:40,620 It's like, oh, my God, this is going to be awesome. 633 00:28:40,620 --> 00:28:44,137 It sort of catapulted Metallica to another level. 634 00:28:44,137 --> 00:28:49,379 [narrator] In early 1983, Metallica moved from Los Angeles to the Bay Area. 635 00:28:49,379 --> 00:28:52,310 A very short window of time 636 00:28:52,310 --> 00:28:55,103 with Mustaine in the band and Cliff in the band, 637 00:28:55,103 --> 00:28:59,103 and rehearsing and a few really great shows in the Bay Area. 638 00:29:03,310 --> 00:29:08,482 [Dave] That was one of the things that you could tell when we played together. 639 00:29:08,482 --> 00:29:13,034 When the lights are off and the guitars are roaring, there's a respect. 640 00:29:13,034 --> 00:29:15,103 Just the whole area, being up there, 641 00:29:15,103 --> 00:29:19,379 getting Cliff onboard, it felt like home. 642 00:29:19,379 --> 00:29:22,724 Then it came time for us to play the show at the Stone. 643 00:29:22,724 --> 00:29:25,103 We went on, and we had a great show. 644 00:29:25,103 --> 00:29:26,275 The place was packed. 645 00:29:26,275 --> 00:29:28,206 And then Metallica came on. 646 00:29:28,206 --> 00:29:30,344 [heavy metal playing] 647 00:29:30,344 --> 00:29:33,310 And it was the first time that I'd actually been able 648 00:29:33,310 --> 00:29:35,379 to watch the whole show. 649 00:29:35,379 --> 00:29:37,413 As I'm watching them, I thought, 650 00:29:37,413 --> 00:29:39,206 "These guys are fucking great. 651 00:29:39,206 --> 00:29:41,344 They'd be so much better with me." 652 00:29:45,620 --> 00:29:48,172 [narrator] In the New York area, 653 00:29:48,172 --> 00:29:51,793 Anthrax was proudly flying the flag of the new heavy metal. 654 00:29:51,793 --> 00:29:54,034 [Charlie Benante] I think we felt kind of out of it 655 00:29:54,034 --> 00:29:56,068 because we were the only band 656 00:29:56,068 --> 00:29:58,862 on the East Coast that wanted to do something like this. 657 00:29:58,862 --> 00:30:03,241 We thought it was so cool that in the Bay Area, 658 00:30:03,241 --> 00:30:05,275 there was this kind of club 659 00:30:05,275 --> 00:30:06,862 of this type of bands 660 00:30:06,862 --> 00:30:09,000 that were gigging around and just making music. 661 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:12,310 And I remember Exodus being one of the first bands, 662 00:30:12,310 --> 00:30:13,620 beside Metallica, 663 00:30:13,620 --> 00:30:15,931 that I thought were fucking great. 664 00:30:15,931 --> 00:30:17,931 I just started getting the tape out there, 665 00:30:17,931 --> 00:30:22,068 and then we started getting some good response. 666 00:30:22,068 --> 00:30:25,827 And eventually this tape ended up in the hands of Johnny Z. 667 00:30:25,827 --> 00:30:31,034 Around that time we were meeting with Johnny Z in New Jersey, 668 00:30:31,034 --> 00:30:32,620 giving him demos. 669 00:30:32,620 --> 00:30:35,068 He was bringing the band from San Francisco to come over. 670 00:30:35,068 --> 00:30:38,862 [Kirk] Johnny Z came down to the house with a demo tape, 671 00:30:38,862 --> 00:30:42,551 which was "No Life Til Leather." We were blown away. 672 00:30:42,551 --> 00:30:45,827 Metallica was always ahead of us and the other bands, you know? 673 00:30:45,827 --> 00:30:47,724 They were always six months to a year ahead of us. 674 00:30:47,724 --> 00:30:49,586 They came out with "Kill Em All" 675 00:30:49,586 --> 00:30:51,896 before any other band had their records out. 676 00:30:51,896 --> 00:30:56,758 I think "Kill Em All" really set the tone for what was going to come. 677 00:30:56,758 --> 00:30:58,379 [narrator] In April 1983, 678 00:30:58,379 --> 00:31:01,724 Dave Mustaine was let go from Metallica 679 00:31:01,724 --> 00:31:03,103 and replaced by Kirk Hammett. 680 00:31:03,103 --> 00:31:06,241 We had obviously started hanging out with Exodus, 681 00:31:06,241 --> 00:31:09,758 and Kirk was definitely very musically gifted. 682 00:31:09,758 --> 00:31:13,137 And he was also very up for whatever was going on. 683 00:31:13,137 --> 00:31:15,000 Yeah, Kirk and I were at this party. 684 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,241 He's like, "Hey, man, come here. Mark Whitaker just called me. 685 00:31:18,241 --> 00:31:20,586 They want me to audition for Metallica." 686 00:31:20,586 --> 00:31:22,827 You know, it's like a passing of the torch, you know? 687 00:31:22,827 --> 00:31:26,896 Like, Kirk giving me the keys to the family car and saying, 688 00:31:26,896 --> 00:31:29,448 "Here, it's yours now. Don't blow it up." 689 00:31:31,137 --> 00:31:32,827 As far as the music was concerned, 690 00:31:32,827 --> 00:31:34,689 Exodus's music was similar 691 00:31:34,689 --> 00:31:37,827 as to what Metallica was doing already. 692 00:31:37,827 --> 00:31:41,482 I had the chops to be able to play all that stuff on "Kill Em All," 693 00:31:41,482 --> 00:31:42,655 no problem. 694 00:31:42,655 --> 00:31:45,103 That was the least of my worries, 695 00:31:45,103 --> 00:31:49,655 because even then I knew that when you go into a band, there's a certain dynamic. 696 00:31:49,655 --> 00:31:53,517 And if your personality doesn't work within that band dynamic, 697 00:31:53,517 --> 00:31:56,586 it just won't work. You won't go anywhere. 698 00:31:56,586 --> 00:31:59,862 [narrator]A group of die-hard New Jersey metal fans 699 00:31:59,862 --> 00:32:03,379 known as the Old Bridge Militiatook Metallica into their home, 700 00:32:03,379 --> 00:32:05,413 the Funhouse. 701 00:32:05,413 --> 00:32:07,517 It's pretty amazing that the house got a nickname, 702 00:32:07,517 --> 00:32:09,827 which was the Funhouse because of all the things that we did down there. 703 00:32:09,827 --> 00:32:12,482 [Ray Dill] The place was all about fun, because what did you do there? 704 00:32:12,482 --> 00:32:14,827 -You had dirt bikes happening. -oh, Yeah. 705 00:32:14,827 --> 00:32:17,931 You had canoe rides. We hooked a canoe up to a chain. 706 00:32:17,931 --> 00:32:19,931 [Mark] We were welcome to quite a few places 707 00:32:19,931 --> 00:32:22,034 that maybe shouldn't have. [laughs] 708 00:32:22,034 --> 00:32:24,137 -The Funhouse-- -Not much to pick from. 709 00:32:24,137 --> 00:32:27,172 -They didn't have much. -A house with no heat, sometimes. 710 00:32:27,172 --> 00:32:30,241 [Mark] You know, they supplied us with the things we needed. 711 00:32:30,241 --> 00:32:31,517 [laughing] 712 00:32:31,517 --> 00:32:33,068 You know, everybody knew that 713 00:32:33,068 --> 00:32:35,137 we would have these crazy parties 714 00:32:35,137 --> 00:32:36,620 with the music going crazy. 715 00:32:36,620 --> 00:32:38,482 The sound system was... 716 00:32:38,482 --> 00:32:40,517 I believe it was a four-channel Onkyo. 717 00:32:40,517 --> 00:32:42,862 [Joe] Yeah, I had the SAE, but we bought a regular-- 718 00:32:42,862 --> 00:32:45,793 -Rack system. -Yeah, a whole rack system. 719 00:32:45,793 --> 00:32:47,379 Yeah, we just didn't have the regular speakers. 720 00:32:47,379 --> 00:32:49,275 I guess they were monitors, right? 721 00:32:49,275 --> 00:32:51,586 Two 12s, two 14s-- whatever. 722 00:32:51,586 --> 00:32:53,172 It went up to the ceiling of the house. 723 00:32:53,172 --> 00:32:55,172 Run a demo, and then you're in your bedroom. 724 00:32:55,172 --> 00:32:58,241 It was like, wow, this is pretty wild. 725 00:32:58,241 --> 00:32:59,724 [narrator]nMeanwhile back in the East Bay, 726 00:32:59,724 --> 00:33:02,000 Exodus quickly took hold 727 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:03,758 as the Bay Area's go-to heavy metal band. 728 00:33:03,758 --> 00:33:07,586 Ruthie's Inn became home to the burgeoning scene. 729 00:33:09,655 --> 00:33:12,620 Looks like someone's trying to make a respectable location out of this place. 730 00:33:12,620 --> 00:33:14,793 Let's open it back up, Ruthie's Inn. [laughs] 731 00:33:14,793 --> 00:33:17,551 Last time I was down here, it still had the marquee, 732 00:33:17,551 --> 00:33:20,103 and you could still see Ruthie's Inn on it. 733 00:33:20,103 --> 00:33:22,896 This place was as much the epicenter 734 00:33:22,896 --> 00:33:27,793 of the Bay Area thrash scene as CBGBs was to the New York punk scene. 735 00:33:27,793 --> 00:33:31,206 I mean, there were so many clubs prior to Ruthie's, 736 00:33:31,206 --> 00:33:33,482 but this is where the violence took off. 737 00:33:33,482 --> 00:33:35,379 [laughs] This is where "Murder in the Front Row" 738 00:33:35,379 --> 00:33:37,482 really did take place. 739 00:33:37,482 --> 00:33:41,275 [Durelle Ali] My father was Wes Robinson, born in Port Arthur, Texas. 740 00:33:41,275 --> 00:33:44,655 Came out to the East Bay about 1933. 741 00:33:44,655 --> 00:33:47,241 He grew up in a household that was full of music, 742 00:33:47,241 --> 00:33:50,827 and they were hardcore jazz aficionados. 743 00:33:50,827 --> 00:33:55,620 They would sneak out late at night to go see Ella Fitzgerald or the classics. 744 00:33:55,620 --> 00:33:58,827 A lot of the greats. That started his love of music. 745 00:33:58,827 --> 00:34:00,551 It wasn't so much that he had a club, 746 00:34:00,551 --> 00:34:03,172 but rather that he would foster relationships 747 00:34:03,172 --> 00:34:08,586 that would allow him to use different venues for performances. 748 00:34:08,586 --> 00:34:09,482 He was a promoter, 749 00:34:09,482 --> 00:34:11,344 and that was the beginning. 750 00:34:11,344 --> 00:34:12,827 And Wes Robinson, you know, 751 00:34:12,827 --> 00:34:14,862 the late, great Wes Robinson, you know, 752 00:34:14,862 --> 00:34:19,172 booked Exodus at the first ever show at Ruthie's, a blues club. 753 00:34:19,172 --> 00:34:20,931 [Durelle] His joy for something 754 00:34:20,931 --> 00:34:23,551 always led his actions into getting involved with it. 755 00:34:23,551 --> 00:34:26,586 He never got involved with something just because 756 00:34:26,586 --> 00:34:29,172 he might be able to make some money at it. 757 00:34:29,172 --> 00:34:30,275 He saw something in it. 758 00:34:30,275 --> 00:34:32,034 I'm not sure what he saw. 759 00:34:32,034 --> 00:34:35,620 Maybe he recognized from when he was a music fan, 760 00:34:35,620 --> 00:34:36,793 being younger. 761 00:34:36,793 --> 00:34:38,586 Obviously much different music, 762 00:34:38,586 --> 00:34:40,689 but I think he saw some of that same energy. 763 00:34:40,689 --> 00:34:43,620 So he really helped nurture the scene. 764 00:34:43,620 --> 00:34:46,137 There were battles along the way. 765 00:34:46,137 --> 00:34:48,379 There were battles from the neighborhood. 766 00:34:48,379 --> 00:34:54,137 There was a parking lot across from Ruthie's that is-- 767 00:34:54,137 --> 00:34:57,931 The business is still there. Big O Tires. 768 00:34:57,931 --> 00:35:00,689 People would throw up in there, in that parking lot, 769 00:35:00,689 --> 00:35:02,448 and break bottles. 770 00:35:02,448 --> 00:35:05,793 After a while I was like, these people never complain. 771 00:35:05,793 --> 00:35:08,068 They never call the cops. They never do anything. 772 00:35:08,068 --> 00:35:11,620 After thinking about it, I'm like, well, they do sell tires there, so. 773 00:35:11,620 --> 00:35:14,517 We would party right across the street at the Big O parking lot. 774 00:35:14,517 --> 00:35:17,793 Someone would roll up in their Chevy Nova, 775 00:35:17,793 --> 00:35:20,241 crack the trunk, and there'd be coolers of beer 776 00:35:20,241 --> 00:35:23,241 and bottles of Jack and what not. And we all hung out. 777 00:35:23,241 --> 00:35:27,310 Half the bands would wait with us and drink with us, and then, 778 00:35:27,310 --> 00:35:29,068 Oh, got to go into the show. 779 00:35:29,068 --> 00:35:31,862 Well, Exodus shows at Ruthie's were really crazy. 780 00:35:31,862 --> 00:35:33,965 I mean, I don't think I ever paid once to get into the show. 781 00:35:33,965 --> 00:35:35,862 Wes would be sitting at the door. 782 00:35:35,862 --> 00:35:38,793 I would walk by, and he'd just kind of go like that. 783 00:35:38,793 --> 00:35:40,965 Connie, Pam, 784 00:35:40,965 --> 00:35:42,965 Rebecca, Leah, 785 00:35:42,965 --> 00:35:44,551 those girls were something else, 786 00:35:44,551 --> 00:35:46,862 because there weren't very many of us at all. 787 00:35:46,862 --> 00:35:49,551 [Conie Taylor] We would go to the bar. We would sit down. We would drink. 788 00:35:49,551 --> 00:35:51,413 We didn't have IDs. We weren't old enough. 789 00:35:51,413 --> 00:35:53,655 But it just sort of happened. 790 00:35:53,655 --> 00:35:56,482 You know, people were dancing, and the bands were playing so hard. 791 00:35:56,482 --> 00:35:59,068 It became very human, very fast. 792 00:35:59,068 --> 00:36:00,620 [Gary] That's when we found our home, 793 00:36:00,620 --> 00:36:02,896 because it was kind of where we were from. 794 00:36:02,896 --> 00:36:05,206 You know, Rick and Paul were both from Berkeley. 795 00:36:05,206 --> 00:36:06,482 Robbie was from Berkeley. 796 00:36:06,482 --> 00:36:08,793 Tom and I were from San Pablo. 797 00:36:08,793 --> 00:36:11,034 [Brian] Exodus at Ruthie's Inn, a random person would 798 00:36:11,034 --> 00:36:13,068 just record it and send it off to our pen pal friends. 799 00:36:13,068 --> 00:36:16,172 So you know, pre "Bonded by Blood," 800 00:36:16,172 --> 00:36:19,551 this is how Exodus's music got out. 801 00:36:25,448 --> 00:36:27,655 [Alex Skolnick] It very quickly became a scene. 802 00:36:27,655 --> 00:36:30,586 It was the place to go. They have great kamikazes. 803 00:36:30,586 --> 00:36:32,551 You knew never knew what was going to happen. 804 00:36:32,551 --> 00:36:34,758 You know, some crazy shit was going to jump off. 805 00:36:34,758 --> 00:36:36,965 Of course, I was young, and we were all just raging. 806 00:36:36,965 --> 00:36:38,620 It was a party. 807 00:36:38,620 --> 00:36:40,482 [Harold] The place was really dark, 808 00:36:40,482 --> 00:36:42,862 and you kind of get away with almost anything there. 809 00:36:42,862 --> 00:36:46,103 I'll never forget one time going through the crowd, headbanging and going crazy. 810 00:36:46,103 --> 00:36:47,517 I actually tripped on some people. 811 00:36:47,517 --> 00:36:50,034 There were some people having sex. 812 00:36:50,034 --> 00:36:52,172 The shows were classic, dude. I mean, 813 00:36:52,172 --> 00:36:53,793 it was like Ruthie's Inn, 814 00:36:53,793 --> 00:36:56,379 so hot and humid in there. The walls would be sweating. 815 00:36:56,379 --> 00:36:59,551 People are hanging off of plumbing pipes and sprinklers, 816 00:36:59,551 --> 00:37:01,206 and toilets were getting broke. 817 00:37:01,206 --> 00:37:03,413 The place would just get fucking destroyed, 818 00:37:03,413 --> 00:37:06,172 and they'd still have us back like two weeks later. 819 00:37:06,172 --> 00:37:09,517 Toby Rage, Andy Anderson, Lonnie Hunolt... 820 00:37:09,517 --> 00:37:11,275 You know, we'd all take turns. 821 00:37:11,275 --> 00:37:13,551 We called it bowling ball. 822 00:37:13,551 --> 00:37:15,655 It's where people jump on stage, 823 00:37:15,655 --> 00:37:18,758 and you're crouched in a ducking position by the drums. 824 00:37:18,758 --> 00:37:21,827 You get a running start and just linebacker them as hard as you could 825 00:37:21,827 --> 00:37:24,655 down into the crowd, you know? That was fun. 826 00:37:24,655 --> 00:37:27,275 We were hanging out at the Big O across the street. 827 00:37:27,275 --> 00:37:28,862 This cat Toby Rage comes up, 828 00:37:28,862 --> 00:37:31,758 and he sees Leroy with his Mike Tereo hair 829 00:37:31,758 --> 00:37:33,448 and his white Capezios. 830 00:37:33,448 --> 00:37:35,448 And he walks up, and he just goes... 831 00:37:35,448 --> 00:37:36,827 [spits] 832 00:37:36,827 --> 00:37:38,517 Nice shoes. 833 00:37:38,517 --> 00:37:39,724 Toby Rage was, 834 00:37:39,724 --> 00:37:42,137 again, I never saw him break character. 835 00:37:42,137 --> 00:37:47,172 I don't know how he... lived at that level. 836 00:37:47,172 --> 00:37:52,034 I just remember feeling claustrophobic in there, 837 00:37:52,034 --> 00:37:54,241 but if the music was good, that was all that mattered. 838 00:37:54,241 --> 00:37:56,793 [Mark Osegueda] Exodus just owned, and the pits were violent as hell. 839 00:37:56,793 --> 00:37:58,034 It was just-- 840 00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:00,965 It was glorious. 841 00:38:00,965 --> 00:38:03,551 [Brian] You know, Exodus's group of close friends, 842 00:38:03,551 --> 00:38:05,448 you know, they were called the Slay Team, 843 00:38:05,448 --> 00:38:08,620 and literally if someone showed up at Ruthie's Inn 844 00:38:08,620 --> 00:38:11,655 wearing a Motley Crue or a hair metal band shirt, 845 00:38:11,655 --> 00:38:14,448 they would literally tear the shirt off the kid's back. 846 00:38:14,448 --> 00:38:17,965 They would cut strips off of the shirt and tie them around their wrists, 847 00:38:17,965 --> 00:38:21,862 like scalps, and those aren't fucking friendship strips. 848 00:38:21,862 --> 00:38:23,551 Those are like war trophies. 849 00:38:23,551 --> 00:38:25,517 [Harold]Lizzie Green, Baloff's girlfriend, 850 00:38:25,517 --> 00:38:27,172 actually did a comic book that was based on the Slay Team. 851 00:38:27,172 --> 00:38:30,068 It was just them going out and killing posers, literally. 852 00:38:30,068 --> 00:38:34,000 Paul and I had this idea that we were going to make money. 853 00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:36,586 So I draw up this whole comic. 854 00:38:36,586 --> 00:38:38,724 She would sit there and draw these little comics, 855 00:38:38,724 --> 00:38:42,586 which have now become the Slay Team comics, which are famous. 856 00:38:42,586 --> 00:38:45,931 "I can't believe this. That car just ran him down. 857 00:38:45,931 --> 00:38:48,068 Someone wants to kill us all. 858 00:38:48,068 --> 00:38:52,413 It's the Slay Team, and they will kill us all unless we strike back." 859 00:38:52,413 --> 00:38:54,413 So we start a poser war. 860 00:38:54,413 --> 00:38:57,827 This is actually a real person. We called him Poser Bob. 861 00:38:57,827 --> 00:38:59,827 I don't remember what Bob's real name is. 862 00:38:59,827 --> 00:39:02,827 He did dress like this. He had no problem being a poser. 863 00:39:02,827 --> 00:39:04,758 [record scratches] 864 00:39:04,758 --> 00:39:07,862 [narrator]By the way folks, she's now a nuclear scientist. 865 00:39:07,862 --> 00:39:11,827 I research explosives for the government, is the party line, 866 00:39:11,827 --> 00:39:15,551 but I blow shit up for the government is my line. 867 00:39:15,551 --> 00:39:18,448 [Baloff] 868 00:39:18,448 --> 00:39:20,172 [Mark Devito] Toby Rage, I mean, 869 00:39:20,172 --> 00:39:23,172 it's like nobody was going to try posing 870 00:39:23,172 --> 00:39:26,724 if all of a sudden you were going to get a Converse footprint 871 00:39:26,724 --> 00:39:28,517 on the side of your head. 872 00:39:28,517 --> 00:39:31,620 I got off the plane the one day, went to Ruthie's the next day. 873 00:39:31,620 --> 00:39:33,724 People were jumping on the PA stack. 874 00:39:33,724 --> 00:39:35,758 They were jumping off into the crowd. 875 00:39:35,758 --> 00:39:38,379 People were standing with their backs against the stage, 876 00:39:38,379 --> 00:39:39,620 holding their hands like this, 877 00:39:39,620 --> 00:39:41,551 throwing people on. 878 00:39:41,551 --> 00:39:44,724 We had never seen anything like that in Europe. 879 00:39:44,724 --> 00:39:46,620 [man] 880 00:39:56,965 --> 00:39:58,517 [Pam Behrhorst] No stage diving for me. 881 00:39:58,517 --> 00:40:00,482 Most of the time I stood just on the outside 882 00:40:00,482 --> 00:40:03,758 and let some other guys push the guys in the middle. 883 00:40:03,758 --> 00:40:06,172 Just close enough so you could still see the band but not get, 884 00:40:06,172 --> 00:40:08,000 you know, run over. 885 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,103 Ruthie's was insane. 886 00:40:10,103 --> 00:40:11,896 We were never real crazy about 887 00:40:11,896 --> 00:40:15,137 keeping people offstage at that point, you know? 888 00:40:15,137 --> 00:40:17,793 That's what they did, and they had a damn good time doing it. 889 00:40:17,793 --> 00:40:20,379 If you were a poser or a dippy girl or something like that, 890 00:40:20,379 --> 00:40:22,620 they could be terrifying, but if you were 891 00:40:22,620 --> 00:40:25,793 a friend of theirs and understood them or accepted them, 892 00:40:25,793 --> 00:40:27,448 their hearts were so big. 893 00:40:27,448 --> 00:40:30,275 [Brian] One of those defining moments in any scene, 894 00:40:30,275 --> 00:40:34,448 where that was the show that inspired the lyrics to "Bonded by Blood." 895 00:40:34,448 --> 00:40:37,034 I remember it was us and some rock band playing, right? 896 00:40:37,034 --> 00:40:40,379 And the rock band, they were up there rocking out for their sister's band 897 00:40:40,379 --> 00:40:43,068 or whatever with their drink glasses and left them on the front of the stage. 898 00:40:43,068 --> 00:40:47,000 When we come on, everybody starts smashing all the glass. 899 00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:48,586 So people's hands got cut, 900 00:40:48,586 --> 00:40:50,206 -so there was literally-- -Blood upon the stage. 901 00:40:50,206 --> 00:40:51,965 There's literally blood all over. 902 00:40:51,965 --> 00:40:55,758 And I remember this one girl who was there to see the rock band 903 00:40:55,758 --> 00:40:58,000 must've saw something she liked about the band, 904 00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,793 and she was up front and was rocking out, you know, this is kind of cool. 905 00:41:00,793 --> 00:41:04,482 And Paul reached down and got a big smear, a handful of blood, 906 00:41:04,482 --> 00:41:06,275 and just wiped it down her face. 907 00:41:06,275 --> 00:41:10,172 And she just ran out, ah, screaming. 908 00:41:10,172 --> 00:41:13,758 [Brian] Bonded by Blood is written by a band who were in the thick of it. 909 00:41:13,758 --> 00:41:16,517 That song and that album resonate so much because 910 00:41:16,517 --> 00:41:19,241 it's a product of the scene. 911 00:41:19,241 --> 00:41:21,793 [man singing] 912 00:41:28,965 --> 00:41:31,310 [Brian] You know, if you listen to it, it's almost like a documentary in some ways 913 00:41:31,310 --> 00:41:35,931 about those brief years when this whole Bay Area scene was just getting going, 914 00:41:35,931 --> 00:41:38,517 like '83 to '85. 915 00:41:38,517 --> 00:41:40,689 [heavy metal music plays] 916 00:42:04,517 --> 00:42:06,551 [narrator] Nobody, and I mean nobody, 917 00:42:06,551 --> 00:42:08,275 had ever seen anything like... 918 00:42:08,275 --> 00:42:10,000 Slayer. 919 00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,172 [thrash metal music plays] 920 00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:19,103 I remember thinking this is really interesting, okay? 921 00:42:19,103 --> 00:42:21,551 They're from Southern California, 922 00:42:21,551 --> 00:42:23,758 but they're faster than... [chuckles] 923 00:42:23,758 --> 00:42:25,068 any band I've heard. 924 00:42:25,068 --> 00:42:27,068 The imagery, the speed, 925 00:42:27,068 --> 00:42:31,275 and just the heaviness of it all just kind of took me into this. 926 00:42:31,275 --> 00:42:33,344 Fucking Slayer. 927 00:42:45,034 --> 00:42:48,724 [Dave Lonbardo] When we went to the Bay Area, that's where we felt at home, 928 00:42:48,724 --> 00:42:50,689 because L.A. was saturated 929 00:42:50,689 --> 00:42:52,896 and Hollywood was saturated with glam rock. 930 00:42:52,896 --> 00:42:54,379 We all know what that is, 931 00:42:54,379 --> 00:42:57,137 compared to thrashers and metal heads. 932 00:42:57,137 --> 00:42:58,137 We were opposite. 933 00:42:58,137 --> 00:42:59,689 When we played, 934 00:42:59,689 --> 00:43:02,137 all I remember is the enthusiasm of the crowd, 935 00:43:02,137 --> 00:43:04,724 their intensity. Kids jumping on the stage, 936 00:43:04,724 --> 00:43:07,758 and then they'd just start walking on people's heads and shoulders, you know, 937 00:43:07,758 --> 00:43:10,551 because everybody was just stuck together. 938 00:43:10,551 --> 00:43:12,862 We went up north and did a show with Exodus, 939 00:43:12,862 --> 00:43:15,379 which blew me away. 940 00:43:15,379 --> 00:43:17,000 [Gary] There's nothing wrong with imports. 941 00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,896 The Bay Area was the epicenter of the thrash scene, 942 00:43:19,896 --> 00:43:24,103 and if your own region was not welcoming of you, we would be. 943 00:43:24,103 --> 00:43:26,206 Being from L.A., nobody did what we did. 944 00:43:26,206 --> 00:43:28,344 So to be there, hear them, 945 00:43:28,344 --> 00:43:33,068 and think, "oh, my god, these guys are doing the same thing we are." 946 00:43:33,068 --> 00:43:34,655 Really heavy music, awesome. 947 00:43:34,655 --> 00:43:37,344 The sounds are awesome. The band is fucking awesome. 948 00:43:37,344 --> 00:43:39,689 The guys were really cool, and we got along great. 949 00:43:39,689 --> 00:43:42,241 L.A. was more where the hair metal was going down. 950 00:43:42,241 --> 00:43:43,931 So we're kind of in O.C., 951 00:43:43,931 --> 00:43:46,931 and the O.C. crowd was very similar to the Bay Area crowd, 952 00:43:46,931 --> 00:43:50,344 but the Bay Area crowd was far more advanced. 953 00:43:50,344 --> 00:43:53,310 I first became aware of Slayer when Brian Slagel, 954 00:43:53,310 --> 00:43:57,310 who runs Metal Bay Records, sent me an advanced tape of Show No Mercy, 955 00:43:57,310 --> 00:43:58,482 their first album. 956 00:43:58,482 --> 00:43:59,931 It was almost like a demo. 957 00:43:59,931 --> 00:44:01,620 Again, it was at the time when 958 00:44:01,620 --> 00:44:04,310 all we cared about were bands that played fast. 959 00:44:04,310 --> 00:44:10,241 Slayer came up here and played their first three shows in January '84, 960 00:44:10,241 --> 00:44:12,655 and the first one was at the Keystone Berkeley. 961 00:44:12,655 --> 00:44:16,620 If you look at the back cover of Show No Mercy, they were wearing eyeliner. 962 00:44:16,620 --> 00:44:18,758 Why do you wear makeup? [laughs] 963 00:44:18,758 --> 00:44:20,413 You can't call it glam, 964 00:44:20,413 --> 00:44:23,344 and it wasn't really makeup, but it was eyeliner. 965 00:44:23,344 --> 00:44:25,965 [Tom Araya] Somebody made the remark, "Why are you guys wearing that makeup?" 966 00:44:25,965 --> 00:44:28,379 My thought is I'm not really wearing makeup. 967 00:44:28,379 --> 00:44:32,310 You don't need to be wearing that stuff, man. 968 00:44:32,310 --> 00:44:34,310 They're all in makeup, 969 00:44:34,310 --> 00:44:37,689 and they have the spandex and all the trip going on. 970 00:44:37,689 --> 00:44:40,206 I think Kerry might've had spikes at that point. 971 00:44:40,206 --> 00:44:42,758 Whether you don't know me, whether you don't know the guitar, 972 00:44:42,758 --> 00:44:44,862 whether you don't know much about Slayer, you know those nails. 973 00:44:44,862 --> 00:44:48,793 They had some shit going on that I was-- "What the fuck is this?" 974 00:44:48,793 --> 00:44:52,862 People like Andy Anderson and Toby Rage, like, the original Slay Team. 975 00:44:52,862 --> 00:44:56,103 They noticed it and started a chant of "take off the makeup." 976 00:44:56,103 --> 00:45:00,413 Andy even went as far as going to the men's room and getting paper towels. 977 00:45:00,413 --> 00:45:02,000 We waved the paper towels at them. 978 00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:03,586 Slayer did two shows. 979 00:45:03,586 --> 00:45:05,724 They played the Keystone Berkeley the night before 980 00:45:05,724 --> 00:45:08,655 and then played Ruthie's the following night with Exodus. 981 00:45:08,655 --> 00:45:12,000 The Keystone Berkeley show was the last show they wore the makeup, 982 00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:15,379 because we told them that shit won't wash at Ruthie's Inn. 983 00:45:15,379 --> 00:45:17,655 That was it for me. Took all that shit off. 984 00:45:17,655 --> 00:45:19,551 Was like, "Fuck it, I don't need that shit." 985 00:45:19,551 --> 00:45:21,931 So I just stuck with black shirts and leather pants. 986 00:45:21,931 --> 00:45:24,275 [laughs] 987 00:45:24,275 --> 00:45:27,482 [Greg] And after the Keystone Berkeley show, we destroyed their hotel. 988 00:45:27,482 --> 00:45:29,034 It was a swath of destruction. 989 00:45:29,034 --> 00:45:31,482 It had to be admired and appreciated. 990 00:45:31,482 --> 00:45:32,655 It was awesome. 991 00:45:34,655 --> 00:45:37,448 [Fred Cotton] They had a hotel room at the Berkeley Plaza Hotel, 992 00:45:37,448 --> 00:45:39,068 and we just destroyed that place. 993 00:45:39,068 --> 00:45:42,000 Showed up with Tom Hunting, 994 00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:45,034 and these guys were nailing pizza to the ceiling, man, 995 00:45:45,034 --> 00:45:48,000 and jamming everything they could in the toilet. 996 00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:51,275 You know, we actually tunneled a hole through the wall 997 00:45:51,275 --> 00:45:53,758 into the manager's hotel room. 998 00:45:53,758 --> 00:45:57,827 They trashed this motel room that I had under my name, 999 00:45:57,827 --> 00:46:00,620 because I was the oldest guy in the band. 1000 00:46:00,620 --> 00:46:03,655 So we had two rooms, and they trashed them. 1001 00:46:03,655 --> 00:46:06,344 Not too many years ago now Kerry and I were having a conversation, 1002 00:46:06,344 --> 00:46:07,793 and somehow that came up. He was like, 1003 00:46:07,793 --> 00:46:09,586 "Yeah, I got in a lot of trouble for that." 1004 00:46:09,586 --> 00:46:11,137 That was kind of our first introduction 1005 00:46:11,137 --> 00:46:13,689 to traveling away from home. 1006 00:46:15,827 --> 00:46:17,482 [narrator] In 1984, 1007 00:46:17,482 --> 00:46:19,482 Wes Robinson organized a mini-festival 1008 00:46:19,482 --> 00:46:21,724 bringing together various types of bands. 1009 00:46:21,724 --> 00:46:25,931 Although called Eastern Front, the festival was affectionately known as 1010 00:46:25,931 --> 00:46:27,068 Day on the Dirt, 1011 00:46:27,068 --> 00:46:28,827 a sly nod towards Bill Graham's 1012 00:46:28,827 --> 00:46:31,206 much larger Day on the Green shows. 1013 00:46:31,206 --> 00:46:35,034 [man] It was how we would envision what a day on the green should be, 1014 00:46:35,034 --> 00:46:38,413 because these were our heroes. These were our bands. 1015 00:46:38,413 --> 00:46:42,068 [Brian] And Wes Robinson, who ran Ruthie's Inn, organized it. 1016 00:46:42,068 --> 00:46:45,448 It was kind of like the Woodstock moment of the Bay Area scene. 1017 00:46:45,448 --> 00:46:49,172 He wanted people to be able to do what they wanted to do 1018 00:46:49,172 --> 00:46:53,068 and hopefully make some money at it, 1019 00:46:53,068 --> 00:46:55,206 and if you didn't make any money, 1020 00:46:55,206 --> 00:46:57,344 at least there was the show. 1021 00:46:57,344 --> 00:47:00,379 [Mark D] This was all at an aquatic park, which is at the bottom of Berkeley, 1022 00:47:00,379 --> 00:47:05,206 right across this estuary that flanks the 80 Interstate. 1023 00:47:05,206 --> 00:47:06,724 The lineup was... 1024 00:47:06,724 --> 00:47:08,931 Slayer, Exodus, 1025 00:47:08,931 --> 00:47:11,758 Possessed, Suicidal Tendencies. 1026 00:47:11,758 --> 00:47:13,793 It's kind of a defining moment historically, 1027 00:47:13,793 --> 00:47:15,413 because that's a crossover moment. 1028 00:47:15,413 --> 00:47:17,655 Like, Suicidal was a hardcore band, 1029 00:47:17,655 --> 00:47:19,896 and they were playing with Exodus and Slayer, who are metal bands. 1030 00:47:19,896 --> 00:47:22,551 I know for a fact that the band could not play L.A. 1031 00:47:22,551 --> 00:47:24,586 when I first joined the band. 1032 00:47:24,586 --> 00:47:26,275 And uh, basically 1033 00:47:26,275 --> 00:47:29,586 Suicidal Tendencies was banned from Los Angeles. 1034 00:47:29,586 --> 00:47:31,827 Everyone sort of went like, "Hey, we're not that different." 1035 00:47:31,827 --> 00:47:34,724 We love extreme music. We fucking hate glam rock. 1036 00:47:34,724 --> 00:47:38,068 We hated all the bullshit about poser-type shit. 1037 00:47:38,068 --> 00:47:39,586 It was kind of a defining moment, 1038 00:47:39,586 --> 00:47:41,379 because everyone who was there were like, 1039 00:47:41,379 --> 00:47:43,862 "Wow, this is pretty cool." 1040 00:47:43,862 --> 00:47:45,551 And you can see all the photos. 1041 00:47:45,551 --> 00:47:49,137 I mean, all those guys were fast friends already, 1042 00:47:49,137 --> 00:47:52,758 and if not, that solidified it. 1043 00:47:52,758 --> 00:47:54,620 [Tim] That was one of the first shows where 1044 00:47:54,620 --> 00:47:57,172 I started seeing the camaraderie of the bands and stuff, 1045 00:47:57,172 --> 00:48:01,000 and I think that's one of the things that shows in the pictures, too. 1046 00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:04,068 [Robert Trujillo] It was just amazing, you know, the spirit up north, 1047 00:48:04,068 --> 00:48:06,448 experiencing that positive energy. 1048 00:48:06,448 --> 00:48:08,482 And for me it was all brand new, 1049 00:48:08,482 --> 00:48:11,551 because again, I didn't even get a chance to play L.A. yet 1050 00:48:11,551 --> 00:48:14,310 with this band that was from L.A. 1051 00:48:14,310 --> 00:48:17,758 [Brian] It was a fast and furious pit. We had plenty of room. 1052 00:48:17,758 --> 00:48:21,000 The dirt was flying, and it was a great show. 1053 00:48:23,068 --> 00:48:25,896 [Dave Mustaine] 1054 00:48:25,896 --> 00:48:28,724 [narrator]Dave Mustaine began his new band, Megadeth, 1055 00:48:28,724 --> 00:48:30,344 with a vengeance 1056 00:48:30,344 --> 00:48:31,862 and immediately played the Bay Area, 1057 00:48:31,862 --> 00:48:35,275 where he was welcomed with open arms. 1058 00:48:35,275 --> 00:48:38,000 This is Megadeth's first demo 1059 00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:41,206 that Dave recorded after getting 1060 00:48:41,206 --> 00:48:43,034 the original Megadeth together. 1061 00:48:43,034 --> 00:48:45,793 He sent them out to maybe a half dozen fans and people. 1062 00:48:45,793 --> 00:48:48,137 He handwrote the track listing on it. 1063 00:48:48,137 --> 00:48:50,068 Dave had this friend Brian Lew 1064 00:48:50,068 --> 00:48:53,000 who offered to run our fan club, 1065 00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,517 which basically consisted of a post office box. 1066 00:48:55,517 --> 00:48:58,172 One day this letter shows up that says, 1067 00:48:58,172 --> 00:49:02,000 "Hey, Dave, I hope your new shit's faster than Metallica." 1068 00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:03,931 And that night, I kid you not, 1069 00:49:03,931 --> 00:49:06,620 we went to rehearsal and sped every song up 1070 00:49:06,620 --> 00:49:09,758 by 10 to 20 beats per minute. I mean, every song. 1071 00:49:09,758 --> 00:49:11,310 So things like "Skull Beneath the Skin," which were like... 1072 00:49:11,310 --> 00:49:13,275 [vocalizing bass] 1073 00:49:14,965 --> 00:49:16,310 Kind of this Sabbath groove... 1074 00:49:16,310 --> 00:49:18,344 [vocalizing drums] 1075 00:49:19,827 --> 00:49:21,793 [guitar plays] 1076 00:49:27,862 --> 00:49:30,758 [man] We'd been to the Bay Area enough times. I couldn't tell you how many, 1077 00:49:30,758 --> 00:49:33,931 but we'd been there enough to where me showing up in Megadeth 1078 00:49:33,931 --> 00:49:36,034 is going to make people think of Slayer, too. 1079 00:49:36,034 --> 00:49:38,206 I saw Mustaine playing Metallica. 1080 00:49:38,206 --> 00:49:41,965 Me and Jeff would both sit in the crowd and go, "How's he do that? 1081 00:49:41,965 --> 00:49:44,758 How's he playing that fucking shit and not looking at his fingers." 1082 00:49:44,758 --> 00:49:46,275 You know, we would just be amazed that he's just up there ripping, 1083 00:49:46,275 --> 00:49:47,827 looking over there. 1084 00:49:47,827 --> 00:49:50,655 So I was flattered when Mustaine came calling. 1085 00:49:50,655 --> 00:49:53,241 [Dave] There's a lot of crazy folklore 1086 00:49:53,241 --> 00:49:58,344 about those first couple of days, weeks, and months after I left New York. 1087 00:49:58,344 --> 00:49:59,655 When I got on the bus, 1088 00:49:59,655 --> 00:50:02,137 I rode all the way to California. 1089 00:50:02,137 --> 00:50:04,103 Did a lot of soul-searching. 1090 00:50:04,103 --> 00:50:06,482 I had already started writing lyrics. 1091 00:50:06,482 --> 00:50:09,379 The first lyric I wrote was to the song "Set the World Afire," 1092 00:50:09,379 --> 00:50:10,965 which was called Megadeth. 1093 00:50:10,965 --> 00:50:13,655 And I saw a piece of paper on the floor of the bus 1094 00:50:13,655 --> 00:50:16,827 that was from Senator Alan Cranston. 1095 00:50:16,827 --> 00:50:18,448 It was a handbill that he had put out that said, 1096 00:50:18,448 --> 00:50:20,586 "The arsenal of Megadeath can't be ready." 1097 00:50:20,586 --> 00:50:22,862 He was talking about nuclear armament. 1098 00:50:22,862 --> 00:50:24,586 Arsenal of Megadeath, that's a great line, 1099 00:50:24,586 --> 00:50:26,931 so I wrote it down and put it in the song. 1100 00:50:26,931 --> 00:50:29,379 Didn't think that, you know, that would one day end up being the title. 1101 00:50:29,379 --> 00:50:31,000 My first show was with Megadeth, 1102 00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:32,413 and I remember the first time watching Mustaine play. 1103 00:50:32,413 --> 00:50:34,034 I just couldn't believe it. 1104 00:50:34,034 --> 00:50:35,586 As a band, that was the first place 1105 00:50:35,586 --> 00:50:38,068 that we went up there was Ruthie's. 1106 00:50:38,068 --> 00:50:41,620 That was interesting, because Ruthie's was so small, 1107 00:50:41,620 --> 00:50:44,206 we'd built this crazy stage over at Kerry's house. 1108 00:50:44,206 --> 00:50:48,068 You know, I'd ask Kerry if he would help us until we'd find a permanent player, 1109 00:50:48,068 --> 00:50:51,862 and we built the stage because I wanted this war scene kind of thing. 1110 00:50:51,862 --> 00:50:54,896 When we got up there, the roof was about this tall, 1111 00:50:54,896 --> 00:50:57,827 and we're trying to figure out how we're going to get all our stuff in there. 1112 00:50:57,827 --> 00:50:59,517 It's like, well shit. 1113 00:50:59,517 --> 00:51:01,379 And borrowing every marshal in the community 1114 00:51:01,379 --> 00:51:03,310 and everything we could buy out of the recycler. 1115 00:51:03,310 --> 00:51:05,413 You know, you got to kind of keep your head down. 1116 00:51:05,413 --> 00:51:08,517 If you jump up in the air, you're going to stick your head in a light socket. 1117 00:51:08,517 --> 00:51:11,137 He's like, "I'm going to put together this super group 1118 00:51:11,137 --> 00:51:15,103 that is just going to take fucking no prisoners, man." 1119 00:51:15,103 --> 00:51:16,448 [heavy metal music plays] 1120 00:51:30,172 --> 00:51:33,655 What I noticed around town is there were a lot of people posing, primping, 1121 00:51:33,655 --> 00:51:37,206 and wearing their studded wristbands from the shops on Hollywood Boulevard. 1122 00:51:37,206 --> 00:51:41,310 And everybody looked like Vince Neil or David Lee Roth, but Dave was the real deal. 1123 00:51:41,310 --> 00:51:45,517 [speed metal music plays] 1124 00:51:45,517 --> 00:51:48,827 Everybody was really surprised that Mustaine got booted out of the band, 1125 00:51:48,827 --> 00:51:50,931 because back then he was almost like the frontman. 1126 00:51:50,931 --> 00:51:52,931 He really had something to prove after he left Metallica. 1127 00:51:52,931 --> 00:51:55,068 It was incredible how quick he got it together. 1128 00:51:55,068 --> 00:51:58,793 Megadeth was a band that was conceptualized before it was ever a band. 1129 00:51:58,793 --> 00:52:02,758 It was an architectural blueprint of what the band was going to be, 1130 00:52:02,758 --> 00:52:07,931 and I think because that was drafted in Dave apartment's and my apartment, 1131 00:52:07,931 --> 00:52:11,620 we've had this vision of what we've been aiming for. 1132 00:52:19,172 --> 00:52:20,413 It's really creative. 1133 00:52:20,413 --> 00:52:21,965 It's a great blend, 1134 00:52:21,965 --> 00:52:24,827 and it's got that punk energy. 1135 00:52:24,827 --> 00:52:26,517 [plays speed guitar] 1136 00:52:29,206 --> 00:52:32,000 When we debuted the band in the Bay Area, 1137 00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:34,206 to see that frenzy happening. 1138 00:52:34,206 --> 00:52:37,551 A kid reached up and actually grabs he string and breaks it off my bass, 1139 00:52:37,551 --> 00:52:39,620 right in the middle of the song. 1140 00:52:39,620 --> 00:52:41,724 I'd never seen anything like this, 1141 00:52:41,724 --> 00:52:45,172 and people were literally bleeding on the stage from headbanging 1142 00:52:45,172 --> 00:52:46,586 and thrashing down front. 1143 00:52:46,586 --> 00:52:50,344 You could feel almost a tension, you know? 1144 00:52:50,344 --> 00:52:52,000 He's up there trying to prove himself. 1145 00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:53,551 [indistinct chatter] 1146 00:52:59,517 --> 00:53:02,620 [Brian] They moved here maybe January '83. 1147 00:53:02,620 --> 00:53:04,206 They were gone in April. 1148 00:53:04,206 --> 00:53:06,724 They came back for I think a month in June, 1149 00:53:06,724 --> 00:53:08,655 after recording finished. 1150 00:53:08,655 --> 00:53:11,724 Then they were on tour. So that first year that they quote-unquote 1151 00:53:11,724 --> 00:53:13,275 moved to the Bay Area, 1152 00:53:13,275 --> 00:53:15,758 they were probably only here a couple months. 1153 00:53:15,758 --> 00:53:19,137 We really had just come from out of the underground. 1154 00:53:19,137 --> 00:53:21,206 We recorded Kill Em All. 1155 00:53:21,206 --> 00:53:26,310 We ran back to San Francisco to give it to all the people who were our core group. 1156 00:53:26,310 --> 00:53:29,103 It was our opportunity to 1157 00:53:29,103 --> 00:53:31,551 put the scene on the fucking map. 1158 00:53:31,551 --> 00:53:34,413 Kill Em Allcame out in December of '83, you know? 1159 00:53:34,413 --> 00:53:37,379 In our second issue I made the review. 1160 00:53:37,379 --> 00:53:39,655 You know, we had record reviews. 1161 00:53:39,655 --> 00:53:41,758 I said Metallica are going to get a whole page. 1162 00:53:41,758 --> 00:53:44,482 Nobody knew at the time how big they're going to get, 1163 00:53:44,482 --> 00:53:46,793 but I said, "This band is a killer." 1164 00:53:46,793 --> 00:53:48,827 So I made the headline, "Metal Album of the Year: 1165 00:53:48,827 --> 00:53:50,862 "Kill 'Em All." 1166 00:53:50,862 --> 00:53:55,000 [narrator]Exodus recorded their definitive thrash metal masterpiece, 1167 00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:57,827 Bonded by Blood, in 1984. 1168 00:53:57,827 --> 00:54:01,931 Bonded by Blood? How do you not like Bonded by Blood? 1169 00:54:01,931 --> 00:54:03,482 I love Exodus, 1170 00:54:03,482 --> 00:54:05,379 especially from that time. 1171 00:54:05,379 --> 00:54:07,034 That's my favorite Exodus record. 1172 00:54:07,034 --> 00:54:09,689 "Bonded by Blood" was kind of more anticipated than 1173 00:54:09,689 --> 00:54:12,172 Kill Em Allin a lot of ways, 1174 00:54:12,172 --> 00:54:16,379 just because we spent more time with Exodus than we did with Metallica. 1175 00:54:16,379 --> 00:54:20,206 Basically I ended up replacing Kirk. 1176 00:54:20,206 --> 00:54:21,862 We were never in the studio before, 1177 00:54:21,862 --> 00:54:23,827 so we're learning the process, you know, 1178 00:54:23,827 --> 00:54:26,689 the whole mike thing and how to keep the guitars in tune, 1179 00:54:26,689 --> 00:54:28,931 because the mike hears everything-- 1180 00:54:28,931 --> 00:54:32,620 Just learning from the very ground up how to record an album. 1181 00:54:32,620 --> 00:54:36,310 When we recorded Bonded by Bloodat Prairie Sun studios, 1182 00:54:36,310 --> 00:54:38,344 our friends would come up from the Bay Area, 1183 00:54:38,344 --> 00:54:40,241 and we'd party at night. 1184 00:54:40,241 --> 00:54:41,896 They'd get too drunk, 1185 00:54:41,896 --> 00:54:43,896 and there were fistfights and windows getting broken. 1186 00:54:43,896 --> 00:54:45,586 The whole thing with "Bonded by Blood" was it's like, 1187 00:54:45,586 --> 00:54:49,482 it's a chemistry that five kids had. 1188 00:54:49,482 --> 00:54:51,793 Not knowing nothing about recording. 1189 00:54:51,793 --> 00:54:54,965 We got nine songs together, 1190 00:54:54,965 --> 00:54:58,275 and we just want to put everything we have into these songs 1191 00:54:58,275 --> 00:55:00,793 and just capture this vibe. 1192 00:55:00,793 --> 00:55:04,310 It's the craziest thing. The very first note, man, is just like... 1193 00:55:05,103 --> 00:55:06,517 [thrash music plays] 1194 00:55:21,310 --> 00:55:24,206 Bonded by Blood is an amazing album. 1195 00:55:24,206 --> 00:55:26,068 The riffs, the speed. 1196 00:55:26,068 --> 00:55:27,482 That's my Exodus record. 1197 00:55:27,482 --> 00:55:29,482 That's the Exodus record. 1198 00:55:29,482 --> 00:55:34,172 It captured that kind of youthful angst and anger. 1199 00:55:34,172 --> 00:55:35,827 That was thrash metal. 1200 00:55:35,827 --> 00:55:37,827 That was a Bay Area thrash metal record, you know? 1201 00:55:37,827 --> 00:55:40,068 So Kill Em All and Bonded by Blood 1202 00:55:40,068 --> 00:55:43,482 they're kind of like twins, in a way. 1203 00:55:43,482 --> 00:55:45,310 To this day, people are just like, man, 1204 00:55:45,310 --> 00:55:46,965 Bonded by Blood, forget about it. 1205 00:55:46,965 --> 00:55:49,034 There are quite a few covers from that period of time 1206 00:55:49,034 --> 00:55:51,068 where you kind of look at them and are like, wow, really? 1207 00:55:51,068 --> 00:55:52,689 But none the less, 1208 00:55:52,689 --> 00:55:54,793 I mean, what was inside that sleeve 1209 00:55:54,793 --> 00:55:58,517 was nothing but pure Bay Area thrash. 1210 00:55:58,517 --> 00:56:01,586 What do you guys do with posers? 1211 00:56:01,586 --> 00:56:03,241 -Poser. -What? 1212 00:56:03,241 --> 00:56:04,172 That guy's a poser. 1213 00:56:04,172 --> 00:56:05,586 What do you teach them? 1214 00:56:05,586 --> 00:56:07,206 [audience] A lesson in violence! 1215 00:56:07,206 --> 00:56:08,965 Here's a poser right here. 1216 00:56:08,965 --> 00:56:11,241 Some places don't know that you kill posers. 1217 00:56:11,241 --> 00:56:13,000 Break a poser's leg. It makes me smile. 1218 00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:14,379 Posers must die! 1219 00:56:14,379 --> 00:56:16,000 There's only one Paul, man. 1220 00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:17,586 [thrash metal plays] 1221 00:56:19,586 --> 00:56:22,344 [Sven] He's the epitome of what a singer should be, 1222 00:56:22,344 --> 00:56:23,965 because if you weren't into it, 1223 00:56:23,965 --> 00:56:26,896 he's all, "Pummel that poser." 1224 00:56:26,896 --> 00:56:29,689 He'd go on one of those rants about killing posers onstage, 1225 00:56:29,689 --> 00:56:31,827 and if there were posers in the crowd, they worried. 1226 00:56:31,827 --> 00:56:34,793 My grandmother makes more noise than that! 1227 00:56:34,793 --> 00:56:36,586 [audience screams] 1228 00:56:36,586 --> 00:56:39,000 [both] My grandmother makes more noise than that, and she's dead. 1229 00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:41,655 He would go to people's houses and completely trash their house. 1230 00:56:41,655 --> 00:56:45,827 The Exodus guys would be there, and Paul would kick people out. 1231 00:56:45,827 --> 00:56:47,931 One of the prerequisites to getting into the party 1232 00:56:47,931 --> 00:56:50,172 was you had to bring a two-by-four so you could destroy the place. 1233 00:56:50,172 --> 00:56:53,344 I remember grabbing a beer bottle and firing it straight at the fireplace 1234 00:56:53,344 --> 00:56:55,965 right when we walked in, and it just erupted. 1235 00:56:55,965 --> 00:56:57,793 [Harold] He kind of got away with a bunch of stuff, 1236 00:56:57,793 --> 00:56:59,551 stuff that was kind of messed up actually, to be honest. 1237 00:56:59,551 --> 00:57:02,827 He handcuffed someone to a tree like this. 1238 00:57:02,827 --> 00:57:05,241 He let a live sewer rat loose in my house one time. 1239 00:57:05,241 --> 00:57:06,758 We'd cut people's hair. 1240 00:57:06,758 --> 00:57:08,965 If you had a Ratt pin. 1241 00:57:08,965 --> 00:57:10,413 A Bon Jovi shirt. 1242 00:57:10,413 --> 00:57:12,068 A Motley Crue shirt or something like that. 1243 00:57:12,068 --> 00:57:13,931 He'd strip you right where you stood. 1244 00:57:13,931 --> 00:57:16,413 I'm gonna slice that shirt up. We'll slice you with it. 1245 00:57:16,413 --> 00:57:19,310 If that's all he did, they were lucky. 1246 00:57:19,310 --> 00:57:20,931 I remember his place. 1247 00:57:20,931 --> 00:57:24,000 He lived in just a-- He lived on a concrete slab. 1248 00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:25,689 His wolf lived with him, Bidor. 1249 00:57:25,689 --> 00:57:27,793 Bidor and Paul were pretty much inseparable. 1250 00:57:27,793 --> 00:57:29,413 He had a house-wrecking party. 1251 00:57:29,413 --> 00:57:32,137 Some pretty crazy shit happened at these parties. 1252 00:57:32,137 --> 00:57:33,862 A lot of beer, a lot of liquor. 1253 00:57:33,862 --> 00:57:35,137 Pictures getting smashed. 1254 00:57:35,137 --> 00:57:36,620 Walls being kicked in with holes. 1255 00:57:36,620 --> 00:57:38,344 Just slamming our arms down the hallways, 1256 00:57:38,344 --> 00:57:40,655 just punching in all the plaster. 1257 00:57:44,827 --> 00:57:46,068 Houses dismantled, 1258 00:57:46,068 --> 00:57:48,206 you know, piece by piece. 1259 00:57:50,724 --> 00:57:55,310 Paul Baloff passed away following a stroke in 2002. 1260 00:57:55,310 --> 00:57:59,344 He's beloved by his friends and metal fans everywhere. 1261 00:58:01,689 --> 00:58:05,034 Paul, for what he lacked in pure musical talent, 1262 00:58:05,034 --> 00:58:07,896 he had all the drive and passion that you'd ever want, 1263 00:58:07,896 --> 00:58:10,413 could we have done more to keep him around? 1264 00:58:10,413 --> 00:58:14,103 Probably yeah, might've been a failure in attempting it. 1265 00:58:14,103 --> 00:58:16,344 I'm happy. I've got a million memories 1266 00:58:16,344 --> 00:58:23,068 and five billion photographs worth of fucking awesome times to look back on. 1267 00:58:23,068 --> 00:58:26,379 He's like the greatest thrash metal frontman of all time, 1268 00:58:26,379 --> 00:58:28,379 and he made one album twice. 1269 00:58:37,275 --> 00:58:40,827 We were all by his bedside in the hospital, 1270 00:58:40,827 --> 00:58:43,206 and Rick and I lowered him into the ground. 1271 00:58:43,206 --> 00:58:45,482 Fuck, you know, I miss him. 1272 00:58:50,586 --> 00:58:52,206 The legend. 1273 00:58:52,206 --> 00:58:53,206 I miss him every day. 1274 00:58:53,206 --> 00:58:54,482 See you, buddy. 1275 00:59:00,965 --> 00:59:02,655 [narrator] In the mid 1980s, 1276 00:59:02,655 --> 00:59:04,724 Lars and James lived at the infamous 1277 00:59:04,724 --> 00:59:07,448 Metallica mansion in El Cerrito. 1278 00:59:07,448 --> 00:59:09,275 Yes, the Metalla-mansion, 1279 00:59:09,275 --> 00:59:13,517 and that is certainly not one of our cars right there. 1280 00:59:13,517 --> 00:59:15,724 That Porsche was not parked there because of us. 1281 00:59:15,724 --> 00:59:18,068 You know, at least with the Metallica mansion, 1282 00:59:18,068 --> 00:59:21,620 it was literally almost a straight shot back from Ruthie's Inn. 1283 00:59:21,620 --> 00:59:24,000 So if there was a show or whatever at Ruthie's Inn, 1284 00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:28,758 it was a straight shot almost down San Pablo Avenue back to their house. 1285 00:59:28,758 --> 00:59:30,206 Definitely a bachelor pad. 1286 00:59:30,206 --> 00:59:32,413 You don't dare go into the bedrooms at all. 1287 00:59:32,413 --> 00:59:35,206 The front room's covered with posters and beer bottles. 1288 00:59:35,206 --> 00:59:39,758 I remember pulling all the furniture out the front door right here 1289 00:59:39,758 --> 00:59:41,655 and hosting this party. 1290 00:59:41,655 --> 00:59:45,655 We left the turntable and maybe a couple chairs, maybe a couch, 1291 00:59:45,655 --> 00:59:47,137 and obviously the booze. 1292 00:59:47,137 --> 00:59:48,620 [laughs] 1293 00:59:48,620 --> 00:59:50,689 So music, booze, and we would just go insane. 1294 00:59:50,689 --> 00:59:53,896 Wrestling and have these crazy mosh pits in the house. 1295 00:59:53,896 --> 00:59:56,551 Usually we're out partying in the streets or whatnot, 1296 00:59:56,551 --> 01:00:00,206 so to actually have a place to go and hang out was pretty cool. 1297 01:00:05,344 --> 01:00:06,862 Even the Metallica house-- 1298 01:00:06,862 --> 01:00:08,689 I think Exodus were there more than Metallica, 1299 01:00:08,689 --> 01:00:11,448 because they were already on tour constantly. 1300 01:00:11,448 --> 01:00:14,931 [narrator]While touring, lonely Metallica members wrote postcards 1301 01:00:14,931 --> 01:00:17,103 to keep in touch with the scene back home. 1302 01:00:17,103 --> 01:00:19,379 Aww. 1303 01:00:19,379 --> 01:00:21,275 [Mike] Yeah, postcards, letters, that was the only way you could keep in contact. 1304 01:00:21,275 --> 01:00:24,344 We'd get in town and write down what's happening, 1305 01:00:24,344 --> 01:00:26,172 then just send it off. 1306 01:00:26,172 --> 01:00:29,448 All those early Ruthie's Inn shows 1307 01:00:29,448 --> 01:00:32,965 that were kind of laying the foundation for the Bay Area scene were happening. 1308 01:00:32,965 --> 01:00:34,275 Hey, John, how you doing? 1309 01:00:34,275 --> 01:00:36,793 We're jamming and playing. 1310 01:00:36,793 --> 01:00:40,034 Okay, we're going to go party, go drinking. 1311 01:00:40,034 --> 01:00:41,344 Then you'd flip it over. 1312 01:00:41,344 --> 01:00:42,931 Hey, John, it's 2:00 AM. 1313 01:00:42,931 --> 01:00:45,586 We're here. We're ranging. We're getting drunk. 1314 01:00:45,586 --> 01:00:48,206 We're drinking beers and hanging out with Venom. 1315 01:00:48,206 --> 01:00:50,517 Metal up your ass, right-stack Marshall, 1316 01:00:50,517 --> 01:00:52,620 Lars Ulrich, drummer in parentheses. 1317 01:00:52,620 --> 01:00:55,103 In hindsight, it was probably them dealing with all the shit 1318 01:00:55,103 --> 01:00:58,241 that was happening with them. You know, they were going to the next level, 1319 01:00:58,241 --> 01:01:00,103 thousand of miles away from home. 1320 01:01:00,103 --> 01:01:01,931 Being away from home, being away from your friends, 1321 01:01:01,931 --> 01:01:05,137 being away from your girlfriend. It was a big deal. 1322 01:01:05,137 --> 01:01:06,724 And they liked to write letters. 1323 01:01:06,724 --> 01:01:08,724 You know, back then we all wrote letters. 1324 01:01:08,724 --> 01:01:12,448 Flying the flag for the Bay Area in San Francisco in the scene. 1325 01:01:12,448 --> 01:01:16,241 So it was important for us to stay in touch with everybody 1326 01:01:16,241 --> 01:01:17,724 that was back at home, holding the fort. 1327 01:01:17,724 --> 01:01:19,517 [man] See if you know this one. 1328 01:01:19,517 --> 01:01:21,413 I want you all to scream it back at me! 1329 01:01:21,413 --> 01:01:22,896 this is titled, 1330 01:01:22,896 --> 01:01:25,655 "Seek and Destroy!" 1331 01:01:27,137 --> 01:01:29,758 ["Seek and Destroy" plays] 1332 01:01:40,068 --> 01:01:45,137 Cliff would write me really long letters from Copenhagen 1333 01:01:46,103 --> 01:01:48,965 in his horrible writing 1334 01:01:48,965 --> 01:01:52,206 and just talk about how good things were going. 1335 01:01:52,206 --> 01:01:54,482 This tour is great. 1336 01:01:54,482 --> 01:01:56,448 First Aardschok festival I called Lars. 1337 01:01:56,448 --> 01:01:59,068 If he wanted to open up for my festival 1338 01:01:59,068 --> 01:02:00,896 because I thought it was a great band. 1339 01:02:00,896 --> 01:02:03,827 You know, I'd send them money for plane tickets and stuff. 1340 01:02:03,827 --> 01:02:05,965 It definitely made a big impression. 1341 01:02:05,965 --> 01:02:09,586 You could already tell that these guys were going to go somewhere. 1342 01:02:09,586 --> 01:02:12,172 Everybody knew. I mean, we all knew. 1343 01:02:12,172 --> 01:02:15,137 Some old black and white pictures of Metallica at that show. 1344 01:02:15,137 --> 01:02:18,551 They were so nervous there around that time to do the show. 1345 01:02:18,551 --> 01:02:22,137 Even though they were aware, they were still part of the scene. 1346 01:02:22,137 --> 01:02:24,689 You heard that the band was blowing people away, 1347 01:02:24,689 --> 01:02:26,344 just like they did when they started here. 1348 01:02:45,620 --> 01:02:47,931 Lars said no. We didn't have the cover. 1349 01:02:47,931 --> 01:02:49,310 It was just Kirk on there. 1350 01:02:49,310 --> 01:02:51,586 Tapes were being copied the next day, 1351 01:02:51,586 --> 01:02:54,448 and they were sent to Germany, Belgium, 1352 01:02:54,448 --> 01:02:56,241 France, all over the world. 1353 01:03:04,689 --> 01:03:06,551 [Lars] It wasn't really until James 1354 01:03:06,551 --> 01:03:08,758 started getting some European shows under his belt 1355 01:03:08,758 --> 01:03:10,724 in the spring of 1984, 1356 01:03:10,724 --> 01:03:15,517 where he started being able to command the big, European crowds. 1357 01:03:15,517 --> 01:03:18,241 That's when he became James Hetfield, the frontman. 1358 01:03:18,241 --> 01:03:20,275 Are we fucking nuts tonight! 1359 01:03:20,275 --> 01:03:23,034 [audience screams] 1360 01:03:23,034 --> 01:03:26,931 [Mike] This was certainly not the shy kid that was in high school, hating life. 1361 01:03:26,931 --> 01:03:29,034 This was the kid that 1362 01:03:29,034 --> 01:03:31,103 finally found his voice 1363 01:03:31,103 --> 01:03:35,103 and got to be in a band that was able to help express it for him. 1364 01:03:38,310 --> 01:03:41,586 We were very aware there was something brewing in San Francisco 1365 01:03:41,586 --> 01:03:43,965 that was a little heavier, a little angrier. 1366 01:03:43,965 --> 01:03:46,413 Exodus, you know, were definitely part of that. 1367 01:03:46,413 --> 01:03:48,965 [narrator]Blown away by what he saw in the Bay Area, 1368 01:03:48,965 --> 01:03:52,482 Andre Werheizen booked Exodus into the Dynamo Club. 1369 01:03:52,482 --> 01:03:55,931 The show has passed into legendspread by numerous bootlegs. 1370 01:03:55,931 --> 01:03:58,551 I want to dedicate this one to Andre over here. 1371 01:03:58,551 --> 01:04:01,137 Who's here because of Andre? 1372 01:04:01,137 --> 01:04:03,689 That was Exodus's first tour of Europe. 1373 01:04:03,689 --> 01:04:06,551 [man] The only club show they did was at the Dynamo, 1374 01:04:06,551 --> 01:04:09,793 and they did 300 or 350 people by themselves. 1375 01:04:09,793 --> 01:04:13,000 More people in there than I think officially were allowed, 1376 01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:14,620 maybe three times as much, 1377 01:04:14,620 --> 01:04:17,413 because everybody wanted to see those bands, 1378 01:04:17,413 --> 01:04:20,758 and Dynamo Club was the only place you could see them. 1379 01:04:41,448 --> 01:04:45,448 From my pen pals, Brian Lew and Andy Airborne Anderson, 1380 01:04:45,448 --> 01:04:48,724 who was very close with Exodus, I got some live tapes. 1381 01:04:48,724 --> 01:04:52,172 And we were fascinated. They were even faster than Metallica. 1382 01:04:52,172 --> 01:04:55,275 They were even a little bit more intense. Word got out, 1383 01:04:55,275 --> 01:04:59,172 and word by mouth is the strongest promotion that you can get. 1384 01:04:59,172 --> 01:05:01,448 [narrator]While Metallica were away touring, 1385 01:05:01,448 --> 01:05:03,931 Pam and Connie were house-sitting the mansion. 1386 01:05:03,931 --> 01:05:06,655 [Connie] We had sort of screwed up their finances along the way. 1387 01:05:06,655 --> 01:05:08,758 We weren't very good at balancing checkbooks. 1388 01:05:08,758 --> 01:05:10,620 Mark had just left the checkbook. 1389 01:05:10,620 --> 01:05:12,931 He left a checkbook that was signed with checks, 1390 01:05:12,931 --> 01:05:16,931 and we were just supposed to deposit money and then give them the checks. 1391 01:05:16,931 --> 01:05:20,413 I had to go to my very conservative, Republican mom and dad 1392 01:05:20,413 --> 01:05:22,896 and ask for them to bail out Metallica. 1393 01:05:22,896 --> 01:05:26,413 So I like to say that my mom, Mike and Carole Bryant 1394 01:05:26,413 --> 01:05:28,206 sort of saved the Metallica band. 1395 01:05:28,206 --> 01:05:30,448 -Sorry, guys. -So there you go. 1396 01:05:30,448 --> 01:05:34,000 -It all worked out. -It all worked out, yeah. 1397 01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:37,275 New bands were rising everywhere in the Bay Area, 1398 01:05:37,275 --> 01:05:39,448 inspired by the scene they were living in. 1399 01:05:39,448 --> 01:05:42,103 Bands like Testament, Death Angel, 1400 01:05:42,103 --> 01:05:43,896 Violence, Forbidden, 1401 01:05:43,896 --> 01:05:46,586 and Possessed all made their mark on the metal scene. 1402 01:05:46,586 --> 01:05:50,241 Each year there'd be a band that would kind of step up 1403 01:05:50,241 --> 01:05:54,275 into the role of being able to headline a show at, say, Ruthie's or the Stone. 1404 01:05:54,275 --> 01:05:56,482 Metallica came out with Kill Em All, 1405 01:05:56,482 --> 01:05:58,344 and they were doing the Kill Em All For One tour. 1406 01:05:58,344 --> 01:06:00,862 We stood right on the edge of the pit, 1407 01:06:00,862 --> 01:06:04,862 and we head-banged for the entire fucking show when it was Cliff Burton, 1408 01:06:04,862 --> 01:06:07,724 and he's doing "Anesthesia Pulling Teeth." 1409 01:06:07,724 --> 01:06:09,586 We're like, these guys are fucking amazing. 1410 01:06:09,586 --> 01:06:12,413 And the whole way home it was like, 1411 01:06:12,413 --> 01:06:14,000 we're going to start a band, 1412 01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:15,758 we're going to start playing shows, 1413 01:06:15,758 --> 01:06:17,379 and we're going to play thrash. 1414 01:06:17,379 --> 01:06:19,793 All those people would be going to the shows at Ruthie's 1415 01:06:19,793 --> 01:06:21,793 in the Bay Area clubs and stuff, 1416 01:06:21,793 --> 01:06:24,586 and basically they kind of looked up on stage and said, "I can do that." 1417 01:06:24,586 --> 01:06:28,482 You always hear the old cats talk about the Beatles on Ed Sullivan 1418 01:06:28,482 --> 01:06:30,758 and how they picked up a guitar after they saw that. 1419 01:06:30,758 --> 01:06:33,862 That was my Beatles/Ed Sullivan moment, 1420 01:06:33,862 --> 01:06:38,068 but if we wanted to be something, if we wanted to matter, 1421 01:06:38,068 --> 01:06:40,206 we had to get into Ruthie's. 1422 01:06:40,206 --> 01:06:41,931 And if we could survive Ruthie's, 1423 01:06:41,931 --> 01:06:43,482 and not get killed, 1424 01:06:43,482 --> 01:06:46,103 and not get booed off the stage, 1425 01:06:46,103 --> 01:06:49,275 and not get the mike ripped down in front of it like people were prone to do, 1426 01:06:49,275 --> 01:06:51,551 and survive the Slay Team, 1427 01:06:51,551 --> 01:06:53,758 then that would be the ultimate. 1428 01:06:55,896 --> 01:07:00,241 You can't tell the story of the San Francisco metal scene 1429 01:07:00,241 --> 01:07:02,758 without talking about Debbie Abono. 1430 01:07:02,758 --> 01:07:08,482 She managed one of the most hardcore bands to come out of the Bay Area, 1431 01:07:08,482 --> 01:07:12,241 which was Possessed, you know, super Satanic speed metal. 1432 01:07:12,241 --> 01:07:13,896 This is metal mom right here. 1433 01:07:13,896 --> 01:07:17,793 I know there's a few metal moms across the globe, 1434 01:07:17,793 --> 01:07:19,241 but this was ours. 1435 01:07:19,241 --> 01:07:21,551 I broke my leg at a DRI show. 1436 01:07:21,551 --> 01:07:23,586 She basically nursed me back to health at her house. 1437 01:07:23,586 --> 01:07:26,034 She was the mom of the scene, you know? 1438 01:07:26,034 --> 01:07:28,896 Every show she'd be there for every band. 1439 01:07:28,896 --> 01:07:30,586 She lived at a house in Penol, 1440 01:07:30,586 --> 01:07:32,586 and after parties we'd be at her house. 1441 01:07:32,586 --> 01:07:35,862 [Alex] She really saw everybody in that scene as human, 1442 01:07:35,862 --> 01:07:39,448 whereas there was a lot of demonization... 1443 01:07:40,310 --> 01:07:43,068 of the youth. 1444 01:07:43,068 --> 01:07:46,689 She knew that we needed a safe place, 1445 01:07:46,689 --> 01:07:49,586 and Debbie Abono's house was always a safe place. 1446 01:07:49,586 --> 01:07:51,620 -You know, a party would-- -Last a couple of days. 1447 01:07:51,620 --> 01:07:53,379 Last a couple days. 1448 01:07:53,379 --> 01:07:55,724 I know sometimes I'd be going to school the next day, 1449 01:07:55,724 --> 01:07:59,689 walking through the people who were still hanging out at my house. 1450 01:07:59,689 --> 01:08:02,172 They all knew that Debbie would take care of them 1451 01:08:02,172 --> 01:08:03,862 if they didn't have anywhere to go. 1452 01:08:03,862 --> 01:08:06,206 The word-of-mouth kind of got-- Because you go hey, I need this 1453 01:08:06,206 --> 01:08:07,862 or I need that for my band. 1454 01:08:07,862 --> 01:08:09,620 And my mom would go out and get it for you. 1455 01:08:09,620 --> 01:08:12,172 For me personally, she helped me a ton. 1456 01:08:12,172 --> 01:08:15,965 I started taking guitar lessons from Joe Satriani. I couldn't afford it. 1457 01:08:15,965 --> 01:08:17,068 She paid for it, 1458 01:08:17,068 --> 01:08:18,827 and I couldn't thank her enough. 1459 01:08:18,827 --> 01:08:20,965 There's no way I'd be anywhere I was right now without Debbie, 1460 01:08:20,965 --> 01:08:24,310 so I'm eternally grateful for everything she did. 1461 01:08:24,310 --> 01:08:26,965 For young, 16-year-old Larry Lalonde, 1462 01:08:26,965 --> 01:08:28,827 he's in tenth grade in high school, 1463 01:08:28,827 --> 01:08:30,448 and they have a record out. 1464 01:08:30,448 --> 01:08:32,310 You know, imagine being a tenth-grader, 1465 01:08:32,310 --> 01:08:34,551 and you have an actual album. 1466 01:08:34,551 --> 01:08:37,137 And you're playing in clubs. 1467 01:08:37,137 --> 01:08:40,137 I remember kind of showing up at high school and going hey, I've got a record, 1468 01:08:40,137 --> 01:08:41,931 and them being like, yeah, big deal. 1469 01:08:41,931 --> 01:08:43,517 People kind of being like, what, you think you're hot shit now? 1470 01:08:43,517 --> 01:08:47,275 Then she'd get tapes constantly in the mail. 1471 01:08:47,275 --> 01:08:49,896 She'd get hundreds of them from other bands, 1472 01:08:49,896 --> 01:08:51,344 wanting her to manage them. 1473 01:08:51,344 --> 01:08:53,344 Really looked out for everybody, you know? 1474 01:08:53,344 --> 01:08:54,965 When she managed Forbidden, 1475 01:08:54,965 --> 01:08:56,655 she would go on tour. 1476 01:08:56,655 --> 01:09:01,000 I think she was 57 years old when she was doing this. 1477 01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:04,793 I mean, just going out on tour in a van for two months across America 1478 01:09:04,793 --> 01:09:07,172 at 57 years old. 1479 01:09:07,172 --> 01:09:09,068 Like, that's fucking crazy. 1480 01:09:09,068 --> 01:09:13,482 And it's everything that the horrors probably that you've heard of. 1481 01:09:13,482 --> 01:09:16,206 She put up with a lot of shenanigans from us, you know? 1482 01:09:16,206 --> 01:09:20,413 One time I guess they had a porno magazine in the back of the van, 1483 01:09:20,413 --> 01:09:24,379 and they taped a bunch of pictures to the inside windows of the van. 1484 01:09:24,379 --> 01:09:26,275 And we come pulling into a gas station, 1485 01:09:26,275 --> 01:09:30,241 and here's this grandma, you know, this older lady, pulling in. 1486 01:09:30,241 --> 01:09:32,206 And then here's the most obscene pictures on the windows. 1487 01:09:32,206 --> 01:09:35,241 And she couldn't believe we'd do that stuff. 1488 01:09:50,551 --> 01:09:53,137 I always considered us the third wave of thrash. 1489 01:09:53,137 --> 01:09:56,482 So it's like Metallica, Slayer, and Exodus was the first wave. 1490 01:09:56,482 --> 01:10:00,827 Then Testament, Death Angel, and Violence Forbidden. 1491 01:10:00,827 --> 01:10:04,517 I started auditioning and just went from band to band to band, you know? 1492 01:10:04,517 --> 01:10:06,827 And finally it clicked with Forbidden Evil. 1493 01:10:06,827 --> 01:10:10,103 A band that young could get a show at Ruthie's Inn, 1494 01:10:10,103 --> 01:10:11,655 and no one would bat an eye. 1495 01:10:11,655 --> 01:10:13,448 We're hanging out Ruthie's Inn and the Stone. 1496 01:10:13,448 --> 01:10:15,827 We're not supposed to be there, because we're 14. 1497 01:10:15,827 --> 01:10:19,000 My first show ever was November 24, 1984, 1498 01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:20,379 Megadeth and Death Angel. 1499 01:10:20,379 --> 01:10:22,068 When they were loading in, you know, 1500 01:10:22,068 --> 01:10:23,793 we were making fun of them. 1501 01:10:23,793 --> 01:10:25,206 Like, you know, your mom's driving you to the show. 1502 01:10:25,206 --> 01:10:26,931 Then we'd get all pissed off. 1503 01:10:26,931 --> 01:10:28,827 Why do they always refer to us as just so young and stuff 1504 01:10:28,827 --> 01:10:30,344 and just focusing on the fact that we're young? 1505 01:10:30,344 --> 01:10:32,344 It was hard to put a band together, 1506 01:10:32,344 --> 01:10:34,068 especially if you're 15. 1507 01:10:34,068 --> 01:10:37,586 I also knew that if I could just get through one show, 1508 01:10:37,586 --> 01:10:40,206 it'll be a positive experience. I need to do this. 1509 01:10:40,206 --> 01:10:41,965 Alex history-- I'm sure he told you. 1510 01:10:41,965 --> 01:10:44,655 You know, he's 15 and didn't have teenage years. 1511 01:10:44,655 --> 01:10:46,310 He toured the whole time, you know, 1512 01:10:46,310 --> 01:10:48,517 from the first record to the fifth record. 1513 01:10:48,517 --> 01:10:52,275 We did a record every year and toured ever year: five records, five years. 1514 01:10:52,275 --> 01:10:56,413 [narrator] Possessed is credited withstarting the death metal genre. 1515 01:10:56,413 --> 01:10:58,448 You know, the whole Satanic theme was kind of funny. 1516 01:10:58,448 --> 01:11:00,517 I don't think anyone was actually into Satan. 1517 01:11:00,517 --> 01:11:02,344 It just freaked people out, so. 1518 01:11:12,551 --> 01:11:15,482 [narrator]In August 1985, Metallica played Bill Graham's 1519 01:11:15,482 --> 01:11:18,275 legendary Day on the Green festival. 1520 01:11:18,275 --> 01:11:21,827 On a bill that featurednScorpions and Yngwie Malmsteen, 1521 01:11:21,827 --> 01:11:24,275 Metallica stole the show. 1522 01:11:24,275 --> 01:11:26,724 I was there. It was insane. 1523 01:11:26,724 --> 01:11:30,448 Did we all come here to kick some fucking ass or what? 1524 01:11:30,448 --> 01:11:34,827 The fact that Metallica got a chance to play at Donington 1525 01:11:34,827 --> 01:11:37,137 and then two weeks later at Day on the Green 1526 01:11:37,137 --> 01:11:39,310 was just a total mind fuck. 1527 01:11:39,310 --> 01:11:42,482 Me, what I remember is going in there kind of cold, 1528 01:11:42,482 --> 01:11:44,172 not really knowing what's going on 1529 01:11:44,172 --> 01:11:47,206 but blown away 1530 01:11:47,206 --> 01:11:49,827 at the consumer satisfaction. 1531 01:11:49,827 --> 01:11:53,310 The audience had so fervently embraced 1532 01:11:53,310 --> 01:11:56,344 this from the minute that band set stage that 1533 01:11:56,344 --> 01:11:59,931 it wasn't even a matter of whether I understood it or not. 1534 01:11:59,931 --> 01:12:02,551 I could tell that these people understood it, 1535 01:12:02,551 --> 01:12:05,413 and I witnessed the extraordinary fervor and enthusiasm. 1536 01:12:05,413 --> 01:12:07,586 It was hard not to be swept up in it. 1537 01:12:07,586 --> 01:12:12,310 [Alex] With most other bands, bass is sort of a background role, 1538 01:12:12,310 --> 01:12:15,241 but with that version of Metallica, 1539 01:12:15,241 --> 01:12:16,827 it was featured. 1540 01:12:16,827 --> 01:12:19,517 [playing speed guitar] 1541 01:12:19,517 --> 01:12:23,000 Cliff had a very serious attack to his strings. 1542 01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:24,517 His technique was very abrasive, 1543 01:12:24,517 --> 01:12:26,793 and there was a lot of power in it. 1544 01:12:26,793 --> 01:12:29,103 It was almost like this punk attitude coming out of his fingertips, 1545 01:12:29,103 --> 01:12:34,103 and yet he was very graceful with his connection to classical music. 1546 01:12:34,103 --> 01:12:36,034 [heavy metal plays] 1547 01:12:45,586 --> 01:12:49,827 It can't be overstated what a huge moment that was 1548 01:12:49,827 --> 01:12:53,482 for not just Metallica but for the whole Bay Area scene. 1549 01:12:53,482 --> 01:12:55,517 The fact that Metallica were playing at Day on the Green, 1550 01:12:55,517 --> 01:12:58,103 it was like all of us were playing Day on the Green. 1551 01:12:58,103 --> 01:13:00,758 [James Hatfeild] Day on the Green has been around since the '70s. 1552 01:13:00,758 --> 01:13:02,862 For us to be asked to be part of it. 1553 01:13:02,862 --> 01:13:04,724 Didn't care where we were on the bill. 1554 01:13:04,724 --> 01:13:10,034 Ratt was placed above Metallica, which was sacrilegious, 1555 01:13:10,034 --> 01:13:11,448 to say the least. 1556 01:13:11,448 --> 01:13:14,931 So I painted this banner with the Metallica logo 1557 01:13:14,931 --> 01:13:19,172 crushing down on this rat that was flipped upside down 1558 01:13:19,172 --> 01:13:20,862 with a little spiked wristband, 1559 01:13:20,862 --> 01:13:23,793 and it was sitting next to a thing that said rat poison. 1560 01:13:23,793 --> 01:13:28,551 And I got berated by a couple overweight ladies in spandex. 1561 01:13:28,551 --> 01:13:32,551 You know, fucking Metallica came out, and they just took over. 1562 01:13:33,551 --> 01:13:36,172 As soon as they got on stage, 1563 01:13:36,172 --> 01:13:38,862 it was the stone in the pond. 1564 01:13:38,862 --> 01:13:43,034 Concentric circles of violence spread throughout. 1565 01:13:43,034 --> 01:13:47,034 I remember standing there stage left and going there's Metallica, 1566 01:13:47,034 --> 01:13:49,724 and there's 60,000 people. It's 1985. 1567 01:13:49,724 --> 01:13:51,758 It's like, yeah, this is really cool. 1568 01:13:51,758 --> 01:13:53,103 [Metallica playing] 1569 01:13:59,862 --> 01:14:02,206 I don't think anyone had seen a mosh pit, 1570 01:14:02,206 --> 01:14:04,379 and it didn't occur to me to go, 1571 01:14:04,379 --> 01:14:05,655 "And there's going to be a mosh pit." 1572 01:14:10,896 --> 01:14:12,724 So for the both of us, 1573 01:14:12,724 --> 01:14:15,827 to be there onstage on Day on the Green, 1574 01:14:15,827 --> 01:14:18,275 it was a huge accomplishment. 1575 01:14:20,758 --> 01:14:24,724 [James] The whole metal community was excited and supporting us, 1576 01:14:24,724 --> 01:14:26,586 especially for Cliff 1577 01:14:26,586 --> 01:14:29,896 being from the Bay Area. It was like heaven for him. 1578 01:14:29,896 --> 01:14:34,103 [Connie] Everyone knows about that worldwide, so, he was excited. 1579 01:14:40,275 --> 01:14:43,413 After the Day on the Green show, we did our normal stuff, you know? 1580 01:14:43,413 --> 01:14:46,275 James and I went out to the crowd to throw fruit. 1581 01:14:46,275 --> 01:14:49,275 Fred Rotten Cotton and a few of the others, 1582 01:14:49,275 --> 01:14:51,758 you know, had some beverages and just went crazy. 1583 01:14:51,758 --> 01:14:54,310 Took avocados and crammed through vents. 1584 01:14:54,310 --> 01:14:55,655 Air-conditioning vents. 1585 01:14:55,655 --> 01:14:57,517 Just wrecked the backstage dressing room. 1586 01:14:57,517 --> 01:14:59,896 You know, you're supposed to trash shit. 1587 01:14:59,896 --> 01:15:01,344 So we did. We destroyed it. 1588 01:15:06,310 --> 01:15:07,965 I called the Metallica house, 1589 01:15:07,965 --> 01:15:09,551 and James answered the phone. 1590 01:15:09,551 --> 01:15:12,896 And I was like, "We're in trouble." 1591 01:15:12,896 --> 01:15:17,689 Had no clue that, you know, there's another day after ours. 1592 01:15:17,689 --> 01:15:19,896 You know, another band has to use your trailer. 1593 01:15:19,896 --> 01:15:23,310 You're going to have to go over there and talk to Bill. 1594 01:15:23,310 --> 01:15:25,310 I was like, oh, shit, like I'm being called in. 1595 01:15:25,310 --> 01:15:29,965 He sat me down and said, "Hey, I know you're a rock and roll band at heart, 1596 01:15:29,965 --> 01:15:31,655 and breaking shit and destroying things, you know, 1597 01:15:31,655 --> 01:15:33,379 it might be fun for a little bit." 1598 01:15:33,379 --> 01:15:35,655 What would you do if 1599 01:15:35,655 --> 01:15:38,068 people came in your home and behaved this way? 1600 01:15:38,068 --> 01:15:41,103 And James goes, "Well, pretty much they do every weekend." 1601 01:15:41,103 --> 01:15:43,241 [James] I didn't quite get what he was trying to say. 1602 01:15:43,241 --> 01:15:47,586 He said, "You guys are talented, and you're on a path to destruction." 1603 01:15:47,586 --> 01:15:49,000 He knew. 1604 01:15:49,000 --> 01:15:51,000 He said, "I've had this same talk 1605 01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:53,965 with Sid Vicious and with Keith Moon, 1606 01:15:53,965 --> 01:15:56,000 and they didn't listen. 1607 01:15:58,241 --> 01:16:00,379 Maybe you'll listen, maybe not." 1608 01:16:00,379 --> 01:16:04,137 What really happened was James totally manned up, 1609 01:16:04,137 --> 01:16:07,000 and Bill completely respected it. 1610 01:16:07,000 --> 01:16:09,862 [James] So I said, "You know, I'm young. I'm stupid. 1611 01:16:09,862 --> 01:16:12,965 And thanks for that. 1612 01:16:12,965 --> 01:16:15,862 I appreciate the talk, and I'll do my best." 1613 01:16:15,862 --> 01:16:17,724 Years later he would go to me, 1614 01:16:17,724 --> 01:16:19,344 "How's James?" 1615 01:16:19,344 --> 01:16:21,172 Well, I haven't really talked to him lately, 1616 01:16:21,172 --> 01:16:22,931 but I'm sure he's fine. 1617 01:16:22,931 --> 01:16:26,896 To this day I still never said thank you to him, 1618 01:16:26,896 --> 01:16:29,620 because it did enlighten me a little bit. 1619 01:16:29,620 --> 01:16:32,724 He made it right to the best of his ability. 1620 01:16:32,724 --> 01:16:35,482 The next time we came to play in the backstage area, 1621 01:16:35,482 --> 01:16:38,068 he put Visqueen, Clear plastic, 1622 01:16:38,068 --> 01:16:40,172 over everything. 1623 01:16:40,172 --> 01:16:42,137 The ceiling, the walls, 1624 01:16:42,137 --> 01:16:44,275 the floor, the table. 1625 01:16:44,275 --> 01:16:47,758 He even wrapped bottles of beer in it, so... 1626 01:16:48,827 --> 01:16:50,310 it would be protected. 1627 01:16:50,310 --> 01:16:52,931 [narrator]1986 was an ear-shattering year 1628 01:16:52,931 --> 01:16:54,344 for thrash metal. 1629 01:16:54,344 --> 01:16:56,206 Metallica, Megadeth, and Slayer, 1630 01:16:56,206 --> 01:17:00,586 followed by Anthrax, all released landmark albums. 1631 01:17:00,586 --> 01:17:03,931 I was asking Lars where this was taken, 1632 01:17:03,931 --> 01:17:06,310 and he says, "I'm pretty sure it was in Copenhagen." 1633 01:17:14,482 --> 01:17:16,000 [Corinne Lynn] He would wake up 1634 01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:19,655 and put on his little boxer shorts. 1635 01:17:19,655 --> 01:17:22,827 And he had a little amp and his white guitar. 1636 01:17:22,827 --> 01:17:24,931 And it looked like a Gibson, but it wasn't. 1637 01:17:24,931 --> 01:17:26,379 And he would play. 1638 01:17:27,793 --> 01:17:32,034 He could not wait to get on the road. 1639 01:17:32,034 --> 01:17:34,172 And Cliff was excited, as much as he didn't want to go to Europe. 1640 01:17:34,172 --> 01:17:35,413 It was a short tour. 1641 01:17:35,413 --> 01:17:37,344 He wanted me to look at houses. 1642 01:17:37,344 --> 01:17:41,482 At this point we had really developed and were going to live together. 1643 01:17:41,482 --> 01:17:43,827 So he wanted me to look at houses just around, 1644 01:17:43,827 --> 01:17:45,758 in the East Bay. 1645 01:17:45,758 --> 01:17:47,862 [narrator] On September 26th, 1986, 1646 01:17:47,862 --> 01:17:50,724 Metallica played a show in Stockholm, Sweden 1647 01:17:50,724 --> 01:17:53,206 supported by their friends, Anthrax. 1648 01:17:53,206 --> 01:17:56,275 Anthrax went on ahead to the next show. 1649 01:17:56,275 --> 01:17:58,000 Metallica never made it. 1650 01:17:58,000 --> 01:18:00,655 In the early hours of September 27th, 1651 01:18:00,655 --> 01:18:04,965 their tour bus crashed, and Cliff Burton was killed. 1652 01:18:04,965 --> 01:18:07,724 He was 24 years old. 1653 01:18:07,724 --> 01:18:10,965 I went home and started calling Cliff 1654 01:18:10,965 --> 01:18:12,172 in Sweden at the hotel. 1655 01:18:12,172 --> 01:18:14,103 I had the itinerary. 1656 01:18:14,103 --> 01:18:16,310 "Oh, no, they haven't checked in yet." 1657 01:18:16,310 --> 01:18:18,517 Okay, that's weird. 1658 01:18:21,310 --> 01:18:23,206 Try again an hour later. 1659 01:18:25,275 --> 01:18:27,068 That's when she told me. 1660 01:18:28,655 --> 01:18:32,310 It just wasn't even real. It wasn't possible. 1661 01:18:32,310 --> 01:18:35,000 So I immediately called Cliff's parents. 1662 01:18:36,965 --> 01:18:39,379 I didn't want to be with anyone else, you know, 1663 01:18:39,379 --> 01:18:41,724 wanted to be with his parents 1664 01:18:41,724 --> 01:18:43,724 and smell his things. 1665 01:18:45,448 --> 01:18:47,655 We don't sit back and say oh, 1666 01:18:47,655 --> 01:18:51,758 I hope we're big next year or I hope this or hope that. 1667 01:18:51,758 --> 01:18:53,344 We just go and do it 1668 01:18:53,344 --> 01:18:55,586 and don't put a lot of thought into 1669 01:18:55,586 --> 01:18:58,034 what might happen or what could happen. 1670 01:18:58,034 --> 01:19:00,793 We try not to think too much about the future. 1671 01:19:03,724 --> 01:19:06,827 [James] Cliff was such a character, 1672 01:19:06,827 --> 01:19:10,862 and he was with us for that short amount of time. 1673 01:19:10,862 --> 01:19:12,620 Thank God there were some people filming 1674 01:19:12,620 --> 01:19:14,724 and some friends around that had cameras. 1675 01:19:16,482 --> 01:19:20,034 To respect that time greatly. 1676 01:19:20,034 --> 01:19:22,724 I am so glad that he was in my life 1677 01:19:22,724 --> 01:19:26,206 and I got to share some times with him. 1678 01:19:26,206 --> 01:19:27,724 Someone so close 1679 01:19:27,724 --> 01:19:30,000 and someone who... 1680 01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:32,793 I saw my future with. 1681 01:19:32,793 --> 01:19:35,034 And it was awful. 1682 01:19:35,034 --> 01:19:36,551 It was just awful. 1683 01:19:36,551 --> 01:19:38,724 Most of us were so young back then that we... 1684 01:19:38,724 --> 01:19:42,034 we really hadn't dealt with death before. 1685 01:19:42,034 --> 01:19:45,379 [Tim Healy] The first thing I did was I got up and headed out to the Vault, 1686 01:19:45,379 --> 01:19:47,655 because I was working the next day at the store. 1687 01:19:47,655 --> 01:19:50,137 From the minute that we opened the door, 1688 01:19:50,137 --> 01:19:52,758 it was a constant flood of people coming in. 1689 01:19:52,758 --> 01:19:55,620 It was the place where people came to grieve. 1690 01:19:55,620 --> 01:19:59,827 It was the place were people came to reflect and tell stories. 1691 01:19:59,827 --> 01:20:03,655 And it was almost the perfect place to find out, 1692 01:20:03,655 --> 01:20:07,551 because it was home for all of the scene, 1693 01:20:07,551 --> 01:20:10,344 also for him and those guys. 1694 01:20:11,241 --> 01:20:13,000 What made us survive it was 1695 01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:17,241 that community of those thrashers. 1696 01:20:17,241 --> 01:20:20,241 [Sven] No one ever thought about 1697 01:20:20,241 --> 01:20:22,413 the perils of rock and roll 1698 01:20:22,413 --> 01:20:25,310 or the fact that tour buses crash 1699 01:20:25,310 --> 01:20:27,482 and people die out there 1700 01:20:27,482 --> 01:20:33,103 doing what we were all aspired to do, and doing what he ultimately loved. 1701 01:20:33,103 --> 01:20:35,137 [Charlie Benante] I know we felt bad, 1702 01:20:35,137 --> 01:20:39,068 but I could only imagine what each one of them personally felt. 1703 01:20:39,068 --> 01:20:40,862 Yeah, it was a terrible time. 1704 01:20:40,862 --> 01:20:43,413 A terrible thing. 1705 01:20:43,413 --> 01:20:47,068 [Dave] What I know about Cliff was that he was a very gentle soul, 1706 01:20:47,068 --> 01:20:50,793 and we laughed. 1707 01:20:50,793 --> 01:20:52,413 Man, we would laugh. 1708 01:20:52,413 --> 01:20:55,344 You can't ask more from your kids, 1709 01:20:55,344 --> 01:21:00,655 particularly when you don't have to say much to them. 1710 01:21:00,655 --> 01:21:05,206 Cliff would just decide he knew on his own 1711 01:21:05,206 --> 01:21:07,448 what was right and what was wrong, 1712 01:21:08,517 --> 01:21:10,379 and he... 1713 01:21:10,379 --> 01:21:14,206 practiced it just like he'd practice his music. 1714 01:21:20,137 --> 01:21:23,413 People forget what you do this. 1715 01:21:23,413 --> 01:21:27,793 It's because think back to those days when you guys were in a shitty rehearsal room. 1716 01:21:27,793 --> 01:21:31,241 Nothing else mattered but just making something. 1717 01:21:31,241 --> 01:21:33,034 That's all you lived for. 1718 01:21:33,034 --> 01:21:35,862 So Metal Allegiance we're just the guys from the neighborhood. 1719 01:21:35,862 --> 01:21:38,310 We're the friends that all shared the same record collection. 1720 01:21:38,310 --> 01:21:39,862 It was just a great spirit. 1721 01:21:39,862 --> 01:21:42,448 We said, you know, maybe we should make a record. 1722 01:21:42,448 --> 01:21:46,655 Just to see what it sounds like if all of us can actually write and record some music together. 1723 01:21:51,586 --> 01:21:53,724 The marching orders for that record, though, 1724 01:21:53,724 --> 01:21:55,689 is we're writing a thrash metal record. 1725 01:21:55,689 --> 01:21:58,344 Obviously Alex is involved in that scene. 1726 01:21:58,344 --> 01:21:59,965 We're getting Mark Osegueda, 1727 01:21:59,965 --> 01:22:03,241 Gary Holt, and Chuck Billy. 1728 01:22:03,241 --> 01:22:04,724 We're getting the Bay Area's best. 1729 01:22:04,724 --> 01:22:07,827 You would hope this happens everywhere, 1730 01:22:07,827 --> 01:22:09,931 but we're like, you know, do you think it does? 1731 01:22:09,931 --> 01:22:12,034 Like, no, it's the Bay Area. It's a special place, 1732 01:22:12,034 --> 01:22:15,793 and we've got some special people that are backing each other. 1733 01:22:45,379 --> 01:22:47,344 Why don't we ever get to do any jams with people, you know? 1734 01:22:47,344 --> 01:22:48,482 And I got approached, 1735 01:22:48,482 --> 01:22:50,551 I'm like, absolutely, please. 1736 01:23:29,482 --> 01:23:31,068 [narrator] Since the 1980s, 1737 01:23:31,068 --> 01:23:33,413 thrash metal music that was nurtured in the Bay Area 1738 01:23:33,413 --> 01:23:35,103 extended its reach around the globe, 1739 01:23:35,103 --> 01:23:39,068 inspiring metal fans everywhere to crank it up. 1740 01:23:39,068 --> 01:23:41,275 [explosion] 1741 01:23:43,793 --> 01:23:45,344 [heavy metal plays] 1742 01:24:00,241 --> 01:24:02,275 In 2013, 1743 01:24:02,275 --> 01:24:05,379 Gary Holt replaced the late, great Jeff Hanneman in Slayer. 1744 01:24:05,379 --> 01:24:06,931 It's kind of weird, you know? 1745 01:24:06,931 --> 01:24:10,344 I got the call from Kerry to come help them out. 1746 01:24:10,344 --> 01:24:13,965 People who don't know the background between the two bands will ask me, 1747 01:24:13,965 --> 01:24:17,172 wow, how's it feel to be playing with such metal legends? They're my buddies. 1748 01:24:17,172 --> 01:24:21,655 I think metal fans are the most devoted of any fans there are. 1749 01:24:21,655 --> 01:24:23,379 They're not fickle. They like what they like, 1750 01:24:23,379 --> 01:24:26,551 and I think a Slayer fan is that fan times ten. 1751 01:24:27,862 --> 01:24:29,551 To me it's about humility, 1752 01:24:29,551 --> 01:24:31,517 and I'm more humbled by the fact that people 1753 01:24:31,517 --> 01:24:33,758 have such an admiration for the band. 1754 01:24:33,758 --> 01:24:35,655 You hear stories about some of these people 1755 01:24:35,655 --> 01:24:38,724 that your music made me strong and held me together 1756 01:24:38,724 --> 01:24:41,241 to get past a certain point in my life. 1757 01:24:41,241 --> 01:24:43,103 I'm very grateful for that. 1758 01:24:44,206 --> 01:24:46,275 You're getting me all teary-eyed. 1759 01:24:54,172 --> 01:24:59,586 [narrator]In 2017, Megadeth won the Grammy for best metal performance for their album, 1760 01:24:59,586 --> 01:25:00,448 Dystopia. 1761 01:25:00,448 --> 01:25:02,275 [Dave] One thing is for sure, 1762 01:25:02,275 --> 01:25:04,896 This community has a way of taking care of its own. 1763 01:25:04,896 --> 01:25:09,103 I'm honored that the fans still like what we're doing. 1764 01:25:09,103 --> 01:25:12,034 It's great to hear. It feels good. 1765 01:25:19,931 --> 01:25:21,517 Oh, my God! 1766 01:25:23,275 --> 01:25:25,689 -Like wrestlers. -We're wrestlers. 1767 01:25:25,689 --> 01:25:29,827 [Robert] When we put on our instruments, we're like teenagers again. 1768 01:25:29,827 --> 01:25:32,413 We have a good time. We joke around. We laugh. 1769 01:25:32,413 --> 01:25:34,931 Everything we do revolves around the jam. 1770 01:25:34,931 --> 01:25:36,551 There seems to be a certain energy 1771 01:25:36,551 --> 01:25:39,689 and magic that's very pure about this music. 1772 01:25:41,724 --> 01:25:43,896 In 2016, 1773 01:25:43,896 --> 01:25:46,137 [narrator] Metallica released Hardwired... to Self-Destruct 1774 01:25:46,137 --> 01:25:48,862 to massive critical and commercial acclaim. 1775 01:25:48,862 --> 01:25:51,758 We are super grateful to still be where we are, you know? 1776 01:25:51,758 --> 01:25:55,896 We're in Mexico City right here playing in front of 60,000 to 70,000 people 1777 01:25:55,896 --> 01:25:57,586 in one show. 1778 01:25:57,586 --> 01:25:59,517 It blows my mind. 1779 01:25:59,517 --> 01:26:02,413 [chanting] 1780 01:26:02,413 --> 01:26:05,655 [James] It's pretty remarkable for bands like Megadeth, Anthrax, Slayer, 1781 01:26:05,655 --> 01:26:09,482 and Exodus are still around and still playing gigs. 1782 01:26:09,482 --> 01:26:12,793 I tell you, whatever you think is going to happen to you, 1783 01:26:12,793 --> 01:26:15,413 you have no fricking idea. You just don't. 1784 01:26:15,413 --> 01:26:19,068 If it wasn't for Cliff and wasn't for those early Metallica records, 1785 01:26:19,068 --> 01:26:21,137 I would not be there, that's for sure, 1786 01:26:21,137 --> 01:26:23,103 and there would be no Metal Allegiance. 1787 01:26:23,103 --> 01:26:25,586 Cliff was a fun bass player, 1788 01:26:25,586 --> 01:26:27,793 and you can feel that onstage. 1789 01:26:27,793 --> 01:26:31,827 For me, I'm honored and blessed to be able to play his bass lines 1790 01:26:31,827 --> 01:26:36,206 and celebrate him and his bass playing to the world. 1791 01:26:36,206 --> 01:26:37,551 All over the world. 1792 01:26:37,551 --> 01:26:39,586 To take it there and share it. 1793 01:27:03,241 --> 01:27:07,275 If you and I were sitting in 1982, 1794 01:27:07,275 --> 01:27:10,448 having a conversation about the East Bay days, 1795 01:27:10,448 --> 01:27:13,137 obviously nobody at that time 1796 01:27:13,137 --> 01:27:14,517 would ever slow down long enough 1797 01:27:14,517 --> 01:27:17,793 to believe that the music could have 1798 01:27:17,793 --> 01:27:22,206 and the scene could have that kind of impact and that kind of longevity. 1799 01:27:22,206 --> 01:27:24,551 [Sven] There's a shirt that says, I think, 1800 01:27:24,551 --> 01:27:26,655 "Four Albums And Still No Ballad!" 1801 01:27:26,655 --> 01:27:28,896 And they meant that, because they weren't about that, you know? 1802 01:27:28,896 --> 01:27:30,482 They weren't going to do it. 1803 01:27:30,482 --> 01:27:32,413 I love those guys. They're still my friends. 1804 01:27:32,413 --> 01:27:33,862 They're like my brothers. 1805 01:27:33,862 --> 01:27:36,310 [heavy metal plays] 1806 01:27:36,310 --> 01:27:38,344 We didn't invent music. We didn't invent metal. 1807 01:27:38,344 --> 01:27:41,103 We just took what we loved, 1808 01:27:41,103 --> 01:27:44,275 and we stood on the backs of giants 1809 01:27:44,275 --> 01:27:46,413 and put our own two cents in. 1810 01:27:46,413 --> 01:27:49,103 That's all we did, and out came thrash metal. 1811 01:27:51,379 --> 01:27:54,344 [Kirk] It was a real happening that had 1812 01:27:54,344 --> 01:27:58,793 real far-reaching impacts 1813 01:27:58,793 --> 01:28:01,103 over music culture over time. 1814 01:28:03,931 --> 01:28:05,827 See, this wasn't here. 1815 01:28:05,827 --> 01:28:09,275 I'm wondering if the stage was kind of where the bathroom was. 1816 01:28:09,275 --> 01:28:12,620 I think it was, and this wall was exposed. 1817 01:28:12,620 --> 01:28:16,931 You know, we're talking 35 years ago and shit or more. 1818 01:28:16,931 --> 01:28:20,448 I'm surprised how nice the park looks. It's pretty awesome. 1819 01:28:20,448 --> 01:28:22,517 We did a lot of cover tunes. We did "Gets Your Rocks Off" 1820 01:28:22,517 --> 01:28:25,551 by Def Leppard and "Wasted" by Def Leppard. 1821 01:28:25,551 --> 01:28:27,724 Half of the first Maiden album. 1822 01:28:27,724 --> 01:28:30,275 Our friend bought Iron Maiden Ijust because of the cover. 1823 01:28:30,275 --> 01:28:34,137 It was so fresh and new back then that a lot of people thought "Running Free" 1824 01:28:34,137 --> 01:28:35,827 was an Exodus original for a little while. 1825 01:28:35,827 --> 01:28:38,000 We're like, no, sorry. Can't take credit for that one. 1826 01:28:38,000 --> 01:28:41,862 Yeah, "Prowler." Like, I love that song "Prowler." 1827 01:28:41,862 --> 01:28:43,413 That song rocks. 1828 01:28:43,413 --> 01:28:45,655 Kirk used to sing "Another Piece of Me" by the Scorpions. 1829 01:28:45,655 --> 01:28:47,379 That was in my high school band room, 1830 01:28:47,379 --> 01:28:50,586 back when I still went to school. 1831 01:28:50,586 --> 01:28:53,724 [Kirk] It was a perfect storm of all the people that we needed 1832 01:28:53,724 --> 01:28:58,103 to form a long-lasting musical scene that went on to do great things, 1833 01:28:58,103 --> 01:29:02,275 and the amazing thing about it was we were all young, innocent, 1834 01:29:02,275 --> 01:29:04,482 and didn't know what the fuck we were doing 1835 01:29:04,482 --> 01:29:06,034 or where it all was going. 1836 01:29:06,034 --> 01:29:08,206 It just happened. 1837 01:29:08,206 --> 01:29:11,551 It was like from heaven. 1838 01:29:11,551 --> 01:29:14,172 It was one of the greatest times of my life. 1839 01:29:24,172 --> 01:29:26,551 You know, I was telling somebody this morning 1840 01:29:26,551 --> 01:29:28,379 that I thought Metallica played here. 1841 01:29:28,379 --> 01:29:31,000 No, no. Kirk Hammett from Metallica, 1842 01:29:31,000 --> 01:29:34,413 when he was a member of our band Exodus, played here when we were 16 years old. 1843 01:29:34,413 --> 01:29:36,241 -No, you guys are Exodus? -Yeah. 1844 01:29:36,241 --> 01:29:37,965 I've been a fan forever. 1845 01:29:37,965 --> 01:29:39,586 That is so awesome. You're back. 1846 01:29:39,586 --> 01:29:42,724 [narrator]Exodus continue to play on around the world, 1847 01:29:42,724 --> 01:29:46,241 and still no fucking ballads! 1848 01:29:46,241 --> 01:29:48,551 [theme music plays] 146332

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