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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:55,320 I said to him, "What kind of trouble have you got me into?" 2 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:59,280 And he said, "Sabri, it's all a game of power. 3 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:02,320 Do you understand this?" 4 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:04,600 Somehow, people started showing solidarity with us. 5 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:14,000 {\an8}Because over time, a movement rose around this story of Emanuela. 6 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:22,960 And we made the Vatican understand 7 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:27,120 that they weren't as untouchable anymore. 8 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:24,440 About two weeks after the election of the new Pope 9 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:27,880 he was going to hold a mass in the Parish of Sant'Anna. 10 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:29,840 Emanuela's parish in the Vatican. 11 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:34,360 So I found a way to go to this mass 12 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:37,320 with my mother and my sister Federica. 13 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:48,200 The Orlandi family has lived in the Vatican for 100 years 14 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:51,040 and served seven Popes. 15 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:57,400 So we hoped that he could give us the opportunity to speak about Emanuela. 16 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:02,080 But he shut us down immediately 17 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:06,080 because as my mother got in front of him, he said only four words. 18 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:19,080 It froze my blood to hear the Pope say that Emanuela was dead. 19 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:23,279 I remember saying to him 20 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:26,360 "My hope is that she may still be alive" 21 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:28,000 and he took my hand and repeated 22 00:04:28,840 --> 00:04:29,880 "Emanuela 23 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:31,720 is in heaven." 24 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:33,080 That's it. 25 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:40,280 -What did the Pope say? -She is in Heaven. 26 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:42,920 I said, "But there is no proof 27 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:44,680 so for me, it's a duty to look for her alive." 28 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:46,400 And he repeated, "Emanuela is in Heaven." 29 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:49,200 We don't know if Emanuela is dead or alive, there is no proof. 30 00:04:49,280 --> 00:04:53,480 If a Head of State says now, "Emanuela is dead" 31 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:55,560 then he knows something we don't. 32 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:51,440 I'm Maria Orlandi 33 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:53,600 and I'm the mom of Emanuela Orlandi. 34 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:55,800 I've been waiting for her for years. 35 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:03,720 I can't wait to hug her again, now or when I die. 36 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:05,760 We will meet again. 37 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:12,040 My thoughts are always with Emanuela. 38 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:16,680 And she gives me strength and courage. 39 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:23,800 Unfortunately, you don't know anything. So you keep praying to the Lord. 40 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:29,000 Without prayer, there is nothing in life. 41 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:07,120 Leaks of secret news and top-secret documents 42 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:09,640 end up on the newspapers' front pages. 43 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:12,560 First, a letter from Monsignor Viganò criticizing budgetary... 44 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:39,080 My name is Emiliano Fittipaldi, I'm an investigative journalist 45 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:43,720 and I've been working on the Vatican for many years. 46 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:48,560 In 2016 I had written a book 47 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:51,600 regarding a number of financial scandals in the Vatican 48 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:55,280 which led to the Vatileaks scandal. 49 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:10,080 It was stressful because within the Vatican 50 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:14,680 the investigators tried to fabricate lies 51 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:16,600 about me and my work. 52 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:20,960 I discovered during the trial that they don't want 53 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:24,680 the world to know almost anything about what they get up to. 54 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:38,720 During the trial, something happened that really shocked me 55 00:08:38,799 --> 00:08:40,240 because I didn't know about it. 56 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:46,080 A witness summoned to testify while being questioned 57 00:08:46,159 --> 00:08:49,640 by judicial officials of the Vatican. A priest. 58 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:51,240 A priest who was a secretary 59 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:52,320 in a very important... 60 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:59,000 And who told an incredible story that nobody knew in detail. 61 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:05,080 Two years earlier, somebody had got into this Vatican ministry. 62 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:08,840 They had gone in with keys, so without leaving any trace. 63 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:16,360 But then they'd used a blow-torch 64 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:19,960 to break into one of the 14 or 15 large safes 65 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:22,320 which were on the second or third floor. 66 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:28,840 And they had stolen some documents 67 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:34,160 classified documents which concerned "matters from the past," so he said. 68 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:39,200 Political scandals, financial investments, and ties with Freemasonry. 69 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:44,680 Nobody knew the story 70 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:47,880 or the details of this incredible theft. 71 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:52,080 Because this Vatican-owned building is in Italy 72 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:55,520 but under the Vatican jurisdiction. 73 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:57,800 So the Vatican Police worked on it alone. 74 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:02,240 To this day, we still don't know what the Vatican Police concluded. 75 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:08,520 We know for sure, though, that some documents came back. 76 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:14,720 {\an8}And when they opened that parcel, they found many of the documents inside. 77 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:19,320 Including a secret dossier... 78 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:21,880 about Emanuela Orlandi. 79 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:44,280 The Vatican had always denied the existence of internal documents 80 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:48,080 of internal investigations within the Holy See 81 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:50,080 in the archive of the Secretariat of State 82 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:51,320 or any other archive. 83 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:16,400 When I realized 84 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:21,280 that there was a chance that documents existed 85 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:24,960 about the biggest mystery of the Vatican 86 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:27,640 and of Italy, in the last 35 years 87 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:34,760 I hammered my contacts for months to find these documents about Emanuela Orlandi. 88 00:11:35,560 --> 00:11:38,240 Priests, cardinals, officials. 89 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:44,680 But there was one in particular that I was quite sure knew that story 90 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:46,600 in full or at least in part. 91 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:49,320 So I started to call them. 92 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:03,120 The first time they told me that basically they knew nothing about it. 93 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:11,720 The second time they told me 94 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:15,120 "Look, I will tell you the truth. I have only read this document. 95 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:18,680 I read it, but I cannot give you anything because I do not have it to hand." 96 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:24,040 The third time it was the source who called me. 97 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:34,240 And they told me, "Emiliano, let's meet in a bar in Rome," which I knew. 98 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:47,120 I went by motorbike. 99 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:06,360 I arrived five minutes before the appointment. 100 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:07,840 I was nervous. 101 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:41,080 He arrived. 102 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:44,760 Sat down, we ordered 103 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:48,480 and he told me, "Emiliano, I must hand you a gift." 104 00:13:48,560 --> 00:13:49,840 This is what he said. 105 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:55,280 So he opened a backpack he'd brought with him 106 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:58,600 and inside the backpack, there was this very folder. 107 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:23,120 Five pages, probably photocopies 108 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:27,240 dated 28 March 1998 109 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:30,280 that looked like a cover letter 110 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:34,960 to a much thicker dossier of 197 pages, it read. 111 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:21,920 The letter regarding Emanuela Orlandi was written 112 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:24,600 by Cardinal Lorenzo Antonetti who 113 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:27,040 at the time, was the head of APSA 114 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:33,080 which is the institution that manages all of the Vatican's considerable assets. 115 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:39,000 {\an8}On this first page, the author of the document, Antonetti 116 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:43,360 states that he will make a list of expenditures... 117 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:46,120 "Expenses to support 118 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:52,160 the departure from home of citizen Emanuela Orlandi." 119 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:02,120 How many years had we spent together 120 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:05,720 because we lived all those years in the Vatican, looking for Emanuela? 121 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:07,760 How many leads were followed? 122 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:13,480 And if those documents were indeed true 123 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:17,480 then the Vatican had always known what had happened to Emanuela. 124 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:34,320 The document... 125 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:39,320 reveals sensational and surprising information. 126 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:44,680 Like the expenses the Vatican sustained 127 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:49,880 for tuition fees, food and accommodation 128 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:53,520 medical bills, and travel expenses. 129 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:08,240 The other incredible thing is that these payments from the Vatican 130 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:12,200 for Emanuela Orlandi don't just last for a year 131 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:16,119 but they carry on from 1983 until 1997. 132 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:22,200 Which would mean... 133 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:27,720 ...away from her family and away from Italy... 134 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:31,440 for 14 years. 135 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:35,960 There is one entry 136 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:38,120 on page 2 of this document 137 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:42,160 which for me is one of the most important entries in this document. 138 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:44,840 That is tuition fees plus room and board 139 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:49,840 at 176 Chapman Road in London. Eight million lire. 140 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:56,520 It wasn't easy to work out what was at 176 Chapman Road. 141 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:03,040 I immediately went on Google Maps, and I typed in "Chapman Road" 142 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:09,360 and I found out that there were three Chapman Roads in London 143 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:12,800 but none of them went up to the number 176. 144 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:15,640 So, it was a mystery for several days. 145 00:18:27,360 --> 00:18:30,200 But then, having persisted for hours 146 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:33,640 I found out that it was probably a typo. 147 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:42,760 {\an8}The street wasn't Chapman Road but Clapham Road. 148 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:48,280 At 176 Clapham Road, as I discovered 149 00:18:48,360 --> 00:18:54,560 actually, there is a youth hostel for girls. 150 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:56,120 Only for girls 151 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:01,320 run by the Scalabrinani Fathers. 152 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:06,280 A Catholic religious congregation... 153 00:19:09,120 --> 00:19:11,840 which has a very strong connection with the Vatican. 154 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:17,600 We went there to seek information 155 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:20,920 to understand if they had information about Emanuela Orlandi. 156 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:23,720 But it's clear that 157 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:27,960 if Emanuela had been there she would have used another name 158 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:31,920 or she probably wouldn't have been registered. 159 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:33,800 And of course, we didn't find anything. 160 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:40,400 In those five pages 161 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:45,240 it was said that Emanuela lived for 15 years in London. 162 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:50,040 It is painful to think she might have suffered. It is painful... 163 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:53,640 to think of anything. 164 00:19:57,080 --> 00:19:58,120 The truth is 165 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:01,040 we do not know anything about her life. 166 00:20:37,120 --> 00:20:39,240 If what was written there was true 167 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:44,760 when Emanuela was returned by Minardi to a priest... 168 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:57,080 Emanuela had been smuggled 169 00:20:57,160 --> 00:21:00,520 to another country, to England. 170 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:06,520 Probably brought into a Catholic environment 171 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:08,760 so she would be closer to God 172 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:11,640 and to some extent that cleared their conscience. 173 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:14,720 It was shocking. 174 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:25,160 On the fifth page of this document 175 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:27,360 there's a final expense entry. 176 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:29,720 Twenty-one million lire. 177 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:35,000 "General activities and transfer to the Vatican City State 178 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:37,960 with relative handling of the final procedures." 179 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:42,160 When I read it, I immediately thought 180 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:44,680 that Emanuela was dead, that she had died in London 181 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:49,840 and that then someone had brought her body 182 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:54,480 back to her home, meaning to the Vatican 183 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:59,040 where, according to this document, she had been buried. 184 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:07,680 Buried and hidden a few meters from her home 185 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:14,120 and from her family who has been looking and waiting for her for 37 years. 186 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:42,600 If it's true 187 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:47,080 it would be even more monstrous. 188 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:52,160 Emanuela returns to the Vatican to be buried and you don't let her mother know? 189 00:22:59,920 --> 00:23:02,240 This is so awful 190 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:07,200 that it leads me to think it can't be true. 191 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:08,840 That it's not possible 192 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:12,040 because something like this is too awful to be true. 193 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:15,400 But if it is 194 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,000 it would be the biggest scandal 195 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:20,960 in the contemporary history of the Church. 196 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:57,480 Whenever we asked something 197 00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:02,360 they were defensive, "We had nothing to do with it, we never did anything." 198 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:06,280 And if this five-page story is true 199 00:24:06,360 --> 00:24:08,040 that, in my opinion, is wickedness. 200 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:11,560 It's just wickedness and indifference to the pain of others. 201 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:39,200 I needed a new lawyer 202 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:41,600 who could offer an insider's knowledge of the Vatican 203 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,600 and who knew how to move within the Vatican. 204 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:49,840 I chose the lawyer Laura Sgrò. 205 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:58,120 Pietro had been following me during Vatileaks. 206 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:03,600 A trial that had huge media coverage worldwide. 207 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,720 It was about the uncovering of confidential documents of the Pope. 208 00:25:12,120 --> 00:25:14,160 Pietro came to see me, it felt very strange. 209 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:19,680 I had been following Emanuela's story since the beginning. 210 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,800 Like any eight-year-old girl. 211 00:25:23,360 --> 00:25:25,280 When I was eight, he was a 20-year-old boy 212 00:25:25,360 --> 00:25:30,280 like my elder brothers, and now he was an adult man 213 00:25:30,360 --> 00:25:34,920 who'd spent his entire life looking for his sister. 214 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:45,200 I already had a whole lot of enemies from Vatileaks. So many of them. 215 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:54,120 Trying to ask for answers from the Vatican 216 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:55,480 was a huge challenge. 217 00:25:56,320 --> 00:26:00,880 It's a system that relies entirely on the absolute monarch, that is the Pope. 218 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:05,080 So first, I studied this immense paper trail. 219 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:07,120 It took me six months to read all the documents. 220 00:26:12,120 --> 00:26:15,880 The thing that really hit me in a bad way... 221 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:24,200 was the absolute lack of collaboration from the Vatican. 222 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:31,640 In some way, the Vatican washed their hands of it. 223 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:33,960 In my opinion 224 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:38,160 they were happy to take no responsibility for Emanuela's case. 225 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:45,360 They hid behind their laws, their guarantees 226 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,640 and they never interrogated anybody. 227 00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:02,000 Then, in 2018, like every morning 228 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:07,520 as I was coming into the office, I passed by the mailbox. 229 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:09,680 And I found, among many other letters 230 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:12,520 a white envelope. 231 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:17,320 I opened the envelopes. 232 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:21,400 And to my great surprise, in a white envelope 233 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:24,920 without a letterhead or an addressee 234 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:28,480 I found this letter. 235 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:32,640 There was only one sentence written on it. 236 00:27:33,360 --> 00:27:37,240 "If you want to find Emanuela, search where the angel is looking." 237 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,120 And together with this page 238 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:43,640 there was a picture of a grave with a statue of an angel. 239 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,240 The final expenses of those famous five sheets 240 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:54,800 were the costs of returning a possible corpse. 241 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:03,000 The Vatican has only two burial sites. 242 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:06,240 One is under Sant'Anna Church. 243 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:14,920 The other one is this cemetery, which is the Teutonic Cemetery. 244 00:28:19,360 --> 00:28:20,520 I called Pietro. 245 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,560 We went to the Teutonic Cemetery. 246 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:30,000 We started going around the tombs. 247 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:36,680 And we found the angel. 248 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,640 The Orlandis had been basically everywhere 249 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:45,400 to search for Emanuela. 250 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:47,720 Yet, that tip-off 251 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:52,520 said she was buried a few hundred meters from their home 252 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,320 I decided to write to the Secretary of State. 253 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,800 "I'm telling you that Emanuela is buried in your house 254 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:11,280 now you have to answer me." 255 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:17,600 Frankly, we wrote it 256 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,800 thinking that along with our other requests 257 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:24,920 it would be left unanswered. 258 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:27,560 Yet after a few months 259 00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:32,040 we learn from a press release from the Holy See 260 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:36,760 that they were arranging the opening not just of one tomb 261 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:40,880 but also a tomb adjacent to the one we had been directed to. 262 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:44,320 So finally these tombs would be opened. 263 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:31,920 Where else could the Vatican have buried Emanuela if not in their own home? 264 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:37,200 The safest place where no one would ever go looking 265 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:39,440 could be only their home. 266 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:08,080 Many people said, "At least if they find her remains all this will be over." 267 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,960 I felt anxious, I have to be honest. 268 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,440 They then broke through the tomb's floor... 269 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:37,480 and discovered underneath a large room 3x3 meters wide. 270 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:18,640 Please, the tombs are empty. 271 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:23,880 There are no graves, there are no bones. 272 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,080 They are completely empty. 273 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:39,320 Not finding Emanuela was a bit of a relief for me, I must admit. 274 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:43,840 Even though everything was left hanging 275 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,680 at least that wasn't the day that Emanuela died for me. 276 00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,400 I think there are people inside the Vatican 277 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,440 who know what happened to Emanuela 278 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,360 and those people are still being blackmailed for that. 279 00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:01,040 And from time to time information comes out 280 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,920 that is a way of saying to them 281 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:09,160 "Be careful, we know what happened to Emanuela." 282 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,800 The tombs too were used 283 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:16,200 in my opinion, precisely for this reason. 284 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:18,840 And what happened next... 285 00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,120 in my view, proves it. 286 00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:06,160 Viganò came to visit me, and he told me 287 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,600 an extraordinary story. 288 00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:13,760 Things regarding the exact night of the disappearance of Emanuela Orlandi. 289 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:18,639 It was 22 June 1983. 290 00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:23,480 Welcome back, friends. 291 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,480 African high pressure is affecting the Lazio region 292 00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,520 causing scorching days across the area. 293 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:31,600 In central Rome 294 00:34:31,679 --> 00:34:36,600 temperatures will reach 37 degrees Celsius with a humidity of... 295 00:34:36,679 --> 00:34:41,639 The Pope, John Paul II, was in Poland. 296 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:17,240 Viganò was a young priest 297 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:20,880 working as a clerk 298 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:24,520 for the Deputy Secretary of State. 299 00:36:31,720 --> 00:36:33,040 At 8 p.m. that night 300 00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,240 the phone rang at the State Secretariat. 301 00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:38,280 Viganò picked up. 302 00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:45,760 On the other end, there was Father Panciroli 303 00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:51,240 who was the head of the Vatican Press Office at the time. 304 00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:57,640 Father Panciroli reported to Monsignor Viganò 305 00:36:57,720 --> 00:37:00,760 that they had received an anonymous phone call 306 00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:04,720 from a mysterious man who had dictated a message 307 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:06,840 in which they laid claim 308 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,400 to Emanuela Orlandi's kidnapping. 309 00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:41,520 For those first few days 310 00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:44,760 the investigation doesn't go anywhere. 311 00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:48,360 They urge the family to be calm and relaxed. 312 00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:49,640 Nothing to worry about. 313 00:37:49,720 --> 00:37:53,120 But no, Emanuela has been kidnapped 314 00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:54,760 and the Vatican gets to know it that night. 315 00:37:59,920 --> 00:38:01,120 And above all 316 00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:05,280 the first phone call is not to the Orlandi family. 317 00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,680 It's to the Vatican Press Office. 318 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:11,400 Then Emanuela Orlandi was kidnapped 319 00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:15,920 with the clear intention of immediately blackmailing the Vatican. 320 00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:21,200 An intention that they have kept hidden to this day. 321 00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:09,840 This is the story 322 00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:13,680 but it does not explain the big question. 323 00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:18,760 If it was just for money, it would have been more convenient 324 00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:23,680 to abduct a cardinal, an officer, or an important priest. 325 00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:30,560 Why did they do it? Why abduct that girl and not a cardinal? 326 00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:37,400 The only explanation for me and other people is that she had a secret. 327 00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:42,160 A significant secret concerning the high ecclesiastic ranks of the Vatican 328 00:39:42,240 --> 00:39:44,760 which could have led to a huge scandal. 329 00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:52,040 What is this big secret, this blackmail still going on 330 00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:54,600 for which Emanuela Orlandi was kidnapped? 331 00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,600 This is the question I have always asked myself. 332 00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:04,240 Why did the Vatican do this? What is the secret they are hiding? 333 00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:13,560 Why was Emanuela Orlandi kidnapped? 334 00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:57,400 Thank you for coming. 335 00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:01,240 I know this is the first time you are telling this story. 336 00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,240 I imagine it's difficult for you. 337 00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,520 Thank you for being brave. 338 00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:11,560 You are speaking anonymously today. 339 00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:14,400 Why anonymously? 340 00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,360 Because... 341 00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:21,120 I just feel safer. 342 00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:22,960 I feel safer, and... 343 00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:27,880 also I can talk better about her. 344 00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:35,760 Emanuela and I met because we were at the same school. 345 00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:46,040 We liked each other from the beginning, 346 00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:48,360 so we became close friends from the start. 347 00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:52,400 And we used to meet at school 348 00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:54,000 and even outside school. 349 00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:59,320 A nice girl. 350 00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:00,960 The girl next door. 351 00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:09,320 Both Emanuela and I were very reserved in our teenage years 352 00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:14,920 because our parents were very strict and very Catholic. 353 00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:23,800 However, we liked to mess around. 354 00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:27,840 To go out secretly, even if our mothers did not want us to 355 00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:31,400 and we'd go a little further afield, even out of the Vatican 356 00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,720 to get out and about, maybe meet a boy. 357 00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:44,680 What every other girl of that age, 13, 14, 15 years old should do. 358 00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:04,840 The last time Emanuela and I met 359 00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:09,840 was on a day when Emanuela called me. 360 00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:15,240 It was the week before everything happened. 361 00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:28,480 She said, "Listen. 362 00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:34,840 We need to meet up. I have a secret to confess. 363 00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:36,440 Something secret I want to tell you." 364 00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:48,480 We met outside the Vatican but just under her home. 365 00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:53,200 At first, I thought, "There's a boy." 366 00:43:54,640 --> 00:44:00,000 But I realized straight away that it wasn't the nice secret I imagined. 367 00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:05,760 From the way she looked, she looked stiff. 368 00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:10,480 She looked scared. 369 00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:16,120 Even ashamed maybe. 370 00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:20,840 Then Emanuela told me 371 00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:27,000 that while she was walking in the Vatican gardens... 372 00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:38,920 someone... 373 00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:45,560 someone really close to the Pope... 374 00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:53,360 had been bothering her. 375 00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:05,320 She used those words? 376 00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:06,480 Yes. 377 00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:07,640 What did she mean? 378 00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:11,760 Bothering her... 379 00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:15,720 He had been bothering her, I can't find a different word right now 380 00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:19,360 to better express the meaning. 381 00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:22,440 For me it was enough, I swear, just looking at her. 382 00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:25,440 I understood what she meant. 383 00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:29,840 -Did you know that was a sexual advance? -Absolutely yes. 384 00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:37,760 The idea that something of that kind 385 00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,920 could have happened to Emanuela 386 00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:44,160 is something that, obviously 387 00:45:44,240 --> 00:45:48,200 the Vatican would keep hidden at any cost. 388 00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:53,560 Because now they talk a lot about pedophilia, but outside of the Vatican. 389 00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:11,160 There has never been any accusation of pedophilia on Vatican soil. 390 00:46:11,240 --> 00:46:14,760 If any abuse occurs inside the Vatican 391 00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:17,160 it means that the highest ranks of the Church are involved. 392 00:46:17,240 --> 00:46:19,640 And that is far more serious. 393 00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:31,280 Who should she have spoken to? She told me, maybe to feel better. 394 00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:32,960 I didn't do anything. 395 00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:40,480 I don't know. 396 00:46:56,880 --> 00:47:02,480 The feeling was a bit like embarrassment. 397 00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:06,800 Who should she have spoken to? 398 00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:09,720 She told me, maybe to free herself from that thing. 399 00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:26,320 Who would have believed this story? 400 00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:30,120 Two young girls who maybe hang around together 401 00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:36,560 who may have invented it all. 402 00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:38,040 I don't know. 403 00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:42,760 But, really, the main feeling was 404 00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:47,680 the shame of telling such a thing. 405 00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:00,680 But she was very close to her family. 406 00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:05,160 Wouldn't she share such a thing with someone in the family? 407 00:48:05,240 --> 00:48:06,640 No, I don't think so. 408 00:48:06,720 --> 00:48:08,440 I don't think so. 409 00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:10,720 She wouldn't confide 410 00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:13,920 something like that to her family. 411 00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:18,960 Her father worked there, how could she do that? 412 00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:23,280 They all used to live there. They would have had to move, at least. 413 00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:30,040 I don't believe that she would ever have told something like this at home 414 00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:32,560 to her sisters, to me, to my father. 415 00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:37,000 She would have never said "A cardinal has harassed me." 416 00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:48,160 I think it's important to tell this story now 417 00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:52,400 because I didn't do this earlier. 418 00:48:55,240 --> 00:48:57,160 And maybe if I had done it before 419 00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:00,040 Something could have changed. 420 00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:01,320 I don't know. 421 00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:03,120 Forgive me. 422 00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:16,240 Are you afraid that someone from the Vatican will take revenge? 423 00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:20,920 Well, I mean 424 00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:25,440 I'm always afraid, because unfortunately... 425 00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:28,960 it's a bad world. 426 00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:33,480 A world where many things shouldn't exist... 427 00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:41,120 ...A fifteen-year-old... 428 00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:22,440 Do you think that the Vatican knows what happened to Emanuela? 429 00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:23,480 Yes. 430 00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:25,160 Yes, absolutely. 431 00:51:25,240 --> 00:51:27,400 I am absolutely sure 432 00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:31,200 that the Vatican knows what happened to Emanuela Orlandi. 433 00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:40,360 Every lead is linked to the Vatican. 434 00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:41,760 I believe 435 00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:46,720 based on the impressions I felt back then 436 00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:50,840 that within the Vatican, there was someone 437 00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:55,520 who had information they could share 438 00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:57,600 but they didn't. 439 00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:02,120 Absolutely yes. 440 00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:06,840 In the Vatican many people know what happened to Emanuela Orlandi. 441 00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:11,040 Of course yes, absolutely. 442 00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:14,720 There has to be someone who knows the truth in the Vatican. 443 00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:23,720 The Vatican certainly knows what happened to Emanuela, they always have known. 444 00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:28,160 I think so, yes. That's what I think. 445 00:53:09,240 --> 00:53:12,720 Time is the enemy of truth 446 00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:15,240 and is the friend of those who hide the truth. 447 00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:23,360 Many people who were involved have died. 448 00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:26,880 Others are very old. 449 00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:31,040 Therefore, the perfect strategy was 450 00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:33,280 to let time fall, let time go. 451 00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:35,200 There is no more time to waste. 452 00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:49,280 The only thing I know for sure 453 00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:51,200 is that the Vatican knows the truth. 454 00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:53,800 They know what happened on that day. 455 00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:56,840 Now, I'm asking them to tell that truth 456 00:53:56,920 --> 00:54:00,200 because the moment has arrived, too many years have gone by. 457 00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:06,560 My mother is 92 years old. 458 00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:11,840 They have to do that for my mother, for Emanuela. 459 00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:16,600 If Emanuela is dead 460 00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:17,960 they have to tell us 461 00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:20,960 so that my mother could at least bring a flower to her grave. 462 00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:23,280 Otherwise, if Emanuela is alive, let us hug her again. 463 00:54:24,240 --> 00:54:26,720 I'm just asking for this story to end. 464 00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:42,400 National School Vittorio Emanuele II. 465 00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:45,800 National School Vittorio Emanuele II. 466 00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:49,960 I should be in the third year of high school next year. 467 00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:53,640 I should be in the third year of high school next year. 468 00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:59,200 My sister Emanuela has been missing for 37 years. 469 00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:30,680 Subtitle translation by: Elisabetta Biagiola 37851

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