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1.8 million tonnes of plastic
are being made in the UK
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and a third of it is
being made right here.
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Every three seconds, you're bagging
up 25 kilos of plastic.
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On this bagging unit.
There's another one behind us.
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Billions and billions and billions
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of tiny pellets of plastic
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leaving this factory -
today, tomorrow, every single day.
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Where are they going to end up?
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So far, in our war on plastic,
Anita and I have challenged
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a street to ditch
their single use plastic.
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So, are you up for it?
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ALL: Yes!
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And she's taken
their frustrations...
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£1.66.
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Oh, God. I spent 69p.
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..to the companies who
are churning it out.
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Hi.
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We will make sure we've
got a competitive price.
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What does "competitive" mean?
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It's like some dystopian nightmare.
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I've been finding out how we
can fix our recycling system.
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Plastic waste that I found
in Malaysia from the UK.
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Yes, that's terrible.
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And now I want to
know if big business
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is ready to reduce the pile.
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The absolute amount
of plastic could double.
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Anita joins two young campaigners
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tackling plastic giveaway toys.
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We want to speak to the
sustainability department.
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They can't, I'm afraid.
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We can't speak to anybody?
I'll talk to you outside.
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And as our street
experiment reaches its climax...
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..we both discover how much we can
all do to kick our plastic habit.
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So, shall we do the results?
Shall we do the count?
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Here it comes...
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ANITA: Hugh and I kicked off the
experiment with the residents
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of 22 houses on a street in East
Bristol three months ago.
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Here's some baskets
for you all, get going.
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We counted all their
single use plastic -
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the packaging that contains
our everyday essentials
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for just a few days or weeks
before we throw it away.
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From the total, we estimated
the amount in our homes
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across the whole country.
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19.5 billion...
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..bits of single use plastic
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in houses up and
down the country today.
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That's not cool.
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The Streets have been trying to
reduce the amounts of this plastic
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in their lives,
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tackling it in the kitchen...
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Go on, press it. Hey!
Oops, there you go.
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..and in the bathroom.
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That whole side of the bath was
covered in plastic bottles.
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Stuff that we weren't
really using, as well.
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Now, in the final
month of the experiment,
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the street are looking at how
plastic is ingrained in family life.
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At least two thirds of
toys are made from plastic -
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taking advantage of it
being a colourful, durable
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and cheap material.
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Whoo!
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This is you, Ma.
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What does it do?
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Since starting the experiment,
Jackson's mum Carlene
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has been more aware of the number
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of plastic toys he no longer uses.
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It's unavoidable, I suppose,
when you've got family members
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who just buy stuff.
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It can be a little bit frustrating
when you see how much toys he has.
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You've got two of
those, haven't you? Yeah.
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We're going to make a box of toys
that you don't play with,
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is that OK? Yeah. Right.
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So, do you want to help Mummy
choose your toys up upstairs?
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No.
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Most of his toys up here,
he doesn't play with.
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Over a quarter of parents
admit to throwing away toys
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that are in
perfect working order.
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But Carlene has a different plan.
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Bye-bye, Mr Potato Head.
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Say, "See you later, mate."
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See you later, mate.
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In the box.
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Bye!
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He had a little bit
of a Despicable Me moment.
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These are all McDonald's. Shall
we get rid of these toys? Yeah.
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You don't want to keep them? No.
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Shall we give that away, Jackson,
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or do you want to keep
that one keep back?
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Keep that one. Keep your car?
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Yeah. Beep-beep!
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Carlene's arranged to meet
up with a group of friends
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for a toy swap.
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Hi, Jackson! Hi, Carlene!
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You know I'm going
to leave with nothing.
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Fuzzy felt faces?!
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I love this.
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That's so cute. I might have a
little peruse for my nephew.
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It's a way of clearing
out our house,
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cutting down the amount of plastic
that we would normally buy.
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It's quite a nice
get-together as well.
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A win-win situation for everyone.
Yeah. She loves Peppa Pig!
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Plastic's durability means
that toys can last a long time
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and many of Jackson's are
already finding a new home.
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They've got such a short
window of using these things,
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but they're really useful
when they're at that stage. Yeah.
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Oh, look at that!
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But are all toys
a good use of plastic?
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So, these were
like McDonald's ones.
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I don't think so. No.
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In our house, they
kind of end up in pieces
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and then end up in the
bin quite quickly, so...
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..we don't need any more plastic
like that. Are you sure?
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OK. That's fine.
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Back they go. Not
going to be offended.
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Every year, hundreds of millions
of toys are given away in the UK
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to help sell products.
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They're hidden in chocolates...
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Nine times out of ten, with the
toys, you open it up, make it
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and then, within about 30
seconds, they break anyway.
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..pasted to the front
of kids' magazines...
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That...
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..is going to be for you
to catch your little bug.
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Oh. Uh-oh.
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It's been open about 30 seconds.
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Rocky managed to break it.
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..and dished out free
with fast food meals.
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How long does he play with the toys
for?
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Not very long. We usually chuck them
in the bin by the end of the day.
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What have you got there? Happy Meal!
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Come on, let's have a look.
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Who is this? He doesn't know.
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Did you play with them
for very long? No. No.
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How long? Five minutes.
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Five minutes?! Yeah.
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So, if these giveaway toys
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aren't wanted enough by
parents or kids to be passed on,
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what are we supposed
to do with them?
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To find out, I've come to a
facility that sorts the recycling
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for part of East London
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to meet the CEO of the Recycling
Association, Simon Ellin.
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The big problem here,
you can see there, toys -
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because if they come through in
the household waste to a facility
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like this, which is not
designed to separate toys,
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they're a contaminant.
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Simon's gathered
together a pile of toys
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that have been picked out
of this recycling stream
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over the last 24 hours.
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There we go. What?!
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That's so sad.
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And when we take a closer
look through the pile...
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Look at that, McDonald's.
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There's another one.
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..I'm struck by just how many
of them are giveaway toys.
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Look at that!
That's not even been opened.
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It's such a throwaway culture,
isn't it? What's this one?
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That's Burger King.
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That's a Burger King one, is it?
That's a Burger King one.
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It's not just McDonald's, is it?
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You know, we found all
sorts of other toys.
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You get the Kinder eggs, you know.
You get it on your magazines.
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They're by no means
the only offender
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but they are, in my
experience, the biggest offender.
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Clearly many kids and parents think
they're doing the right thing
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by putting their giveaway
toys in the recycling.
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I wonder what McDonald's
say about them.
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All right. So, are
McDonald's toys recyclable?
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It says, "Can Happy Meal
toys be recycled?
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"Yes, they can."
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That's the first thing it says here.
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Yeah. Can they?
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Sorry, McDonald's,
I don't agree with you.
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You're saying, "Yes, they are."
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Technically, these
would be recyclable
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but there's so many
different types of polymers,
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polymers that are
bonded together,
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a tiny, tiny proportion
are ever going to get recycled
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because lots of manufacturers
will say it's recyclable.
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In theory, it is. In practice,
it's just not going to happen.
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This has really shocked me,
actually, Simon, really.
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McDonald's add that their toys
with electronic components
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can be put in a designated
electronics recycling bin.
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But even if they reach one of these
at a local authority centre,
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it's rarely economically
viable to actually recycle them,
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and the non-electronic
toys contain mixed plastic
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so they're also most likely to end
up being incinerated or in landfill.
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Would you believe now McDonald's
are the biggest distributors
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of toys in the world?
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No, they're not?!
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1.4 billion toys
with their Happy Meals.
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Simon, you've just blown my mind.
Yeah.
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McDonald's?! McDonald's.
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They've got to take the lead
on this and they've got to say...
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The solution is in the
hands of the producer.
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Where are they going
to end up? In landfill?
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Being burnt?
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They're just churning them out.
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Churning out billions of the things,
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and kids aren't even opening
the blooming packets.
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It's madness!
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When I write to McDonald's
about the issue,
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they reply insisting that,
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when families are finished
playing with them,
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many of the toys can be recycled
in local authority sites
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where the appropriate
facilities are available.
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It's not just the recycling industry
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that feel that giveaway
toys are a problem.
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I've read an article
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about two girls who are campaigning
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against single use plastic toys.
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I was so impressed
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that I've come all the
way down to Southampton
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specifically to meet them,
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and what will surprise you,
as it did me...
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..is their ages.
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Hi. Hello, girls. Hello.
How are you doing?
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Hi, there. Hello. Hi.
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You must be...
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At nine and seven years old,
Ella and Caitlin
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are the youngest
campaigners I've ever met.
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Come on, then.
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Shall we sit down? Yeah.
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So, girls, tell me
what you've been up to.
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So, we've been doing a
plastic petition thing
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against, like,
Burger King and McDonald's
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using their plastic
toys in kids meals...
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..and we've got quite
a few signatures.
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I thought kids loved toys.
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What's the problem with these toys?
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Dangerous plastic.
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It pollutes the world
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when you drop it on the floor
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and it goes to the sea
and hurts the fishes.
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Shall we have a look at
the petition? Yeah. OK.
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How many signatures have you got?
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BOTH: 163,572.
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What?!
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That's incredible.
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Yes.
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You've definitely
tapped into something.
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So, what are you going to do next?
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Probably write a letter. Good idea.
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Who would you write a letter to?
McDonald's. And Burger King,
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and ask to, like, meet up or
tell them about the petition,
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or something like that.
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I think that's a really good idea.
OK. I'll go and get some paper.
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"To McDonald's...
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"..we're writing to
tell you we think...
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"..your toys are bad
for the environment..."
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"..and we think you should stop
selling them with your kids meals.
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"We would like to meet you to
discuss it, from Ella and Caitlin."
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So, we're ready? We're going
to send one to Burger King.
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one to McDonald's. Yep.
See what happens. Yeah.
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Imagine if I came back and
said, "We'd like to meet you."
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Can I come with you?
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Yeah. Yeah?
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OK. Excellent.
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All we need now is a stamp
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and to close the envelopes.
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I'll be very interested to hear
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how Burger King and McDonald's reply
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to these two young campaigners.
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HUGH: For months now,
I've been investigating
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what happens to single use plastics
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after we've finished with them,
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and I've discovered that
our recycling system
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needs an urgent overhaul.
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In Malaysia, I was
shocked to discover
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where some of it has been ending up.
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Oh, Sainsbury's.
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Sainsbury's.
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Sainsbury's.
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M&S Yorkshire puddings.
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Like many developed countries,
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we've been sending most of our
plastic for recycling abroad
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because we just don't have the
capacity to deal with it at home.
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Looks to me like the whole
of this wall is from the UK.
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Stop the exporting of your
plastic waste to our country.
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Why should our waste end up here
for you guys to deal with? Yes.
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How have we arrived at this madness?
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Our love affair with
plastic took off in the 1950s.
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Here it is, the most amazing
food wrap ever developed.
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Limited only by the
imagination of the minds of men.
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Over just a few decades,
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it found its way into
every part of our home.
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And as the production
of plastics boomed...
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The age of plastics can certainly
be described as, "Right now."
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..its low cost and
promise of convenience
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meant we could treat it
more and more expendably.
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Being disposable,
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there are no empties to collect.
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Saran-Wrap is a product
of the Dow Chemical Company.
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What's often called "virgin plastic"
is made from oil and gas
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by a handful of large
petrochemical companies.
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Now that we're aware of the
issue of plastic pollution,
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it seems reasonable to expect
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we might be slowing down the rate
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that we're producing the stuff.
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So, what are the plastic
industry's plans for the future?
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I've just been sent a graph
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which shows they're not planning
to slow down any time soon.
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I mean, the graph
is going like that.
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A leading environmental scientist
at the University of California
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has pulled together the global data
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on plastic production
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and it reveals that the rate of
increase is ramping up.
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From the beginning
of this century to now,
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plastic production has doubled,
from 200 million tonnes per year
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to passing 400 million tonnes,
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and it's accelerating
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so that it's due to double again,
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passing the 800 million tonnes
a year mark by about 2040.
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The graph was sent to
me by the president
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of the Center for
International Environmental Law
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Carroll Muffett.
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So, the plastics industry
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has plans for massive expansion.
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What is driving that?
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In a word, the fracking boom.
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Fracking for shale gas has made
natural gas really, really cheap
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and, as a result, it's made
the plastics feedstocks
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really, really cheap,
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and that is driving a massive
expansion in the infrastructure
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to make new plastics.
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So, fracking for shale gas
is making plastics cheaper?
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Over the next few years, we
will see more than 200 billion
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in new investments for plastics
and petrochemicals.
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Wow, this is a lot to take on board.
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I just had no idea what
the scale of this issue is.
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It was nice talking with you.
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If shale gas is behind a new
plastics boom in the US,
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what's happening here in the UK?
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Carroll suggests I look
up a company called Ineos.
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Ineos, the word
for chemicals.
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Jim Radcliffe, a profile by...
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Jim Radcliffe?! I've
heard of Jim Radcliffe!
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Jim Radcliffe owns Ineos.
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Jim Radcliffe is
Britain's richest man.
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"Many of the things
you used during the day
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"that are made using chemicals,
we've had a hand in,"
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he says with a smile.
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Plastics, Radcliffe.
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OK, here we go.
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"Dear Sir Jim..."
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20% of Ineos' plastic business
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is making plastic packaging.
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And just one of their facilities
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is responsible for a third of
the 1.8 million tonnes of plastic
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produced in the UK every year,
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so I'm delighted when they say
they're happy for me to visit
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that site at
Grangemouth in Scotland.
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I know, from experience,
that, when you get invited in
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by a big company like this, there's
always a story they want to tell.
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I'm expecting it to be pretty slick.
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A big, shiny, plastic future
for us all to be proud of,
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but I've also got some
questions about that future,
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and tomorrow I'm allowed in to
see it all close up for myself.
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Bright and early, I meet one
of Ineos' directors, Tom Crotty...
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Good morning to you.
Hugh, welcome to Grangemouth.
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Thank you very much.
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..and I can't help but notice
an impressive model ship.
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These Ineos boats...
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This is a scale model of one of our
12 dragon ships, made in China,
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all designed to bring gas
from the United States
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into Europe. Right to the site here?
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Yes, absolutely to the site.
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They come all the way up the
Firth of Forth.
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There isn't one in
today but this is a video
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of when we actually
had the first one coming in.
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There's the tug in front of it.
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Here it comes under the
iconic Forth Bridge.
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These are coming in all the time.
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It's a virtual pipeline, constantly
flowing gas from America.
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Extraordinary.
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So, cheap American shale gas
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is already flowing
directly to our shores.
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Ineos have spent
1 billion on these ships
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to bring in the very resource
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that's super charging plastics
production in the States.
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As Tom takes me into the facility...
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..he explains that Ineos have spent
another half a billion dollars
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on upgrading it to
receive the imported gas.
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This includes building
Europe's largest ethane tank,
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where the gas is stored
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before being fed to the
heart of the process.
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This is the cracker.
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We take the ethane gas, heat it
up to about a thousand degrees
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and that cracks it
into smaller molecules -
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and those molecules can then
be compressed and cooled down
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into primarily ethylene.
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And this block beyond,
is that another cracker?
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When we didn't have enough gas,
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when we were just relying
on the North Sea,
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Train 2 was
closed down, mothballed,
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and we just ran this one.
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Since we've had the ethane
coming in from America,
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we can now run both.
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You've doubled your production
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by being able to switch
on the second train.
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We are actually in the process
of adding more furnace capacity.
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So there is room for some
more growth? There is still room.
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What are your power requirements
to keep this plant running?
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To keep the whole site running,
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we'd be using the same sort of
power as, say, three major
Scottish cities -
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Edinburgh, Glasgow and Aberdeen.
Combined? Combined, yeah.
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That's the amount of electricity
being used here? Yes.
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And that's before you even
get to the gas that's... Correct.
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..creating the thousand degrees
to do the cracking?
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That's absolutely right.
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99% of all plastic is made
from oil and gas,
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but making it also burns
vast amounts of fossil fuels.
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If plastics production continues
to grow as predicted, by 2050
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it'll be responsible for 15%
of global carbon emissions.
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So, this is the end of the process
effectively, Hugh.
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The ethylene has now been formed
into long chains of molecules,
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becoming the solid
polymer we call plastic.
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This is still quite warm.
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So this is polyethylene?
That is polyethylene,
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the most commonly
used plastic in the world.
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It's quite mesmerising,
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just watching these bags fill up
so quickly.
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I think you're filling one
every three seconds.
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That sounds about right.
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That's phenomenal.
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Every three seconds, you're bagging
up 25 kilos of plastic?
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On this bagging unit.
And there's another one behind us.
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In total, the plant produces a
mind-boggling 60 to 70 billion
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plastic pellets every day.
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We're in a world where people
everywhere are just becoming aware
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of the problems being caused
by plastic. Yes.
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Do you ever wonder when you hear
the latest story
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of some obscure fish that's been
pulled out of the deepest trench
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in the ocean and has been found to
have tiny micro plastics in its gut.
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Do you ever think to yourself,
I wonder if those plastics came
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from Grangemouth, from Ineos?
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We wonder about those issues
all the time.
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The fundamental for me is why
do we end up with plastics
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in the ocean, which is not
where they should be?
437
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I mean, plastics per se
are not a problem.
438
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Waste plastic and littering
is the problem.
439
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We have to address that.
440
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You are... By proper recycling.
You are the source.
441
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Yeah. It's not enough,
442
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when the bath is overflowing
and the water is flooding
443
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and damaging the buildings... Sure.
444
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..it's not enough just to be
mopping up.
445
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We have to turn off the tap.
446
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You are the tap, Ineos is one
of the big plastic taps
447
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on the planet.
448
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Shouldn't we be reducing production,
looking at other innovations
449
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that don't involve the spread
of plastics across the planet?
450
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We're looking at all
of those things.
451
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There's no point in turning
the tap off because you stop
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the good with the bad.
453
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I'll give you a very good example.
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Polyethylene going into water pipes.
455
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Water pipes have transformed water
management around the world.
456
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Aeroplanes are becoming
increasingly plastic.
457
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That's helping the fuel economy.
458
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So those are the sorts of
applications that we're developing
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new polymers for, not plastic bags
and plastic straws.
460
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That's no interest
to us at all.
461
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But you do do plastic packaging.
It's 20% of your business.
462
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20% of our business overall
is plastic packaging.
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You've got a company called
Styrolution, who make some
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of the products that are known
to cause real problems in the waste
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chain, like these shrink wrap
plastics that go round
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water bottles, cosmetics bottles,
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this kind of flexible
film packaging.
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These are the known miscreants
of the plastic world and you're not
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only supplying plastics
for these products,
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you're manufacturing the products.
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Shouldn't you be backing
off that kind of product
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and using your extraordinary
resources and wealth to create
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solutions to these problems?
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100% of every piece of polymer
we produce is recyclable
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when it leaves us.
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What we're trying to do is work
with packaging designers, work
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with consumer products companies,
to improve the recyclability.
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The other area we're doing a huge
amount to work on is to say
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can we take back all of that plastic
or most of that plastic and put
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it back through our chemical
systems,
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break it right back down
constituent parts
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and make plastic again?
483
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We don't care whether we make
plastic from gas or we make plastic
484
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from old plastic.
485
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If we can solve chemical recycling,
we can close that loop completely.
486
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How close are you to solving it?
487
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I'd say we're two or three
years away from that.
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The mantra about closing the loop
with chemical recycling of our used
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plastics is well rehearsed
490
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but everything I've seen here,
491
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especially the virtual pipeline
of US shale gas
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that they're so proud of, suggests
they're not planning to stop making
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virgin plastic any time soon.
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One thing that's definitely going to
stay with me today - what I saw.
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Billions and billions
and billions of tiny pellets
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of plastic leaving this factory
today, tomorrow, every single day.
497
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:21,680
Where are they going to end up?
Seriously.
498
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:28,520
What is certain is that the more
plastic this industry produces,
499
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:32,160
the more plastic will end up
in our lives,
500
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:36,160
whether we want it or not.
501
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:41,920
ANITA: Campaigning sisters Ella and
Caitlin
502
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:44,880
have been busy spreading the word
about that petition
503
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:47,760
against plastic fast food toys.
504
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:51,680
If anyone has any unwanted
McDonald's and Burger King toys,
505
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:53,800
if they could give them to us
506
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,320
because we're going to try and
collect them to give back
507
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:58,520
to McDonald's and Burger King.
508
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:00,760
If it's plastic, we really don't
want them.
509
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:04,440
The girls' letters to Burger King
and McDonald's didn't get
510
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,720
any response, but after sending
follow-up e-mails,
511
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,000
they tell me they've got some news.
512
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:15,440
Hello! Hello. Hello, girls.
What's been happening?
513
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:19,320
First of all we've got an e-mail
from Burger King and McDonald's.
514
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:21,880
OK, so what did Burger King say?
515
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:23,760
"Dear Ella and Caitlin,
516
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:27,080
"plastic pollution
is a big issue.
517
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:31,720
"And there's something we as a brand
need to review.
518
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:35,720
"Whilst we can't advise of
any changes at the moment,
519
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:40,200
"we have forwarded your comments
to our management team
520
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,320
"so we can review the matter."
521
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:44,480
Well, at least they've engaged with
you.
522
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:46,520
They've obviously read your letter.
523
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:48,400
What about the e-mail
from McDonald's?
524
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:51,880
So McDonald's said "Reference
number is blah blah blah.
525
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,280
"Just want to let you know our team
are currently reviewing
526
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:56,320
"your feedback and we will be back
in touch as soon as possible.
527
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:58,840
"Kind regards, McDonald's
customer service team."
528
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,600
I think they've just sent you
an automated response.
529
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:03,320
That's not good enough.
530
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:05,760
It's not just something like
"Oh, I got too many tomatoes
531
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:09,200
"in my burger." It's something
about the lives of sea animals.
532
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:13,160
The girls' friends at Brownies have
responded to their call-out.
533
00:26:16,120 --> 00:26:17,800
What?!
534
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,920
Hopefully we'll go to McDonald's
and we'll just give them all back.
535
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,240
Give us burgers, not plastic.
536
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:26,640
I like that. That's a good...
That's a good slogan.
537
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:28,400
Give us burgers, not plastic.
538
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,000
Girls, I'm so pleased.
539
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:31,840
I feel like there's an army now.
540
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:33,240
Yeah. Yes.
541
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,040
Good work.
542
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:36,320
Bye. Bye-bye.
543
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,360
I'm totally inspired.
544
00:26:38,360 --> 00:26:41,960
I don't think McDonald's know what
they're taking on with these two.
545
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:45,400
They've underestimated
the power of young girls.
546
00:26:48,360 --> 00:26:51,920
Plastic toys given away
as a marketing tool by companies
547
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:56,280
might not feel right, but all
of us want to give presents
548
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,280
to our family and friends.
549
00:27:02,360 --> 00:27:04,280
How are you? Lovely to see you.
550
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:06,600
How are you doing?
551
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:08,440
On the street in Bristol,
552
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,320
Kay is well into her preparations
for Christmas.
553
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,000
Who do you buy presents for?
554
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:16,240
I got four stepchildren,
16 step grandchildren,
555
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,120
seven great grandchildren,
but then I also buy
556
00:27:19,120 --> 00:27:22,240
for the children in the street
anyway.
557
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,160
With so many gifts to wrap,
558
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,520
Kay often uses
a convenient short cut.
559
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,040
What is that made of?
Is this what you use?
560
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,600
It's paper. It's for birthday
presents and Christmas gits.
561
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:35,200
Is it foil or is it...?
562
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,040
I have no idea.
563
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,040
What, do you wanna take one
with you?
564
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,800
Shall we take that and figure
out what it is?
565
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:43,680
All right, cool.
566
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,640
I like that you're setting me
challenges as well.
567
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:48,960
Kay's right to be concerned
about how we wrap our gifts.
568
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:52,840
At Christmas alone, we use
enough wrapping paper to wrap
569
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:57,720
around the world nine times, held
together with 40 million rolls
570
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,200
of polypropylene sticky tape.
571
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:05,800
Some on the street are trying out
different takes on gift wrap.
572
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,280
I knew that I had a paper bag
I'd bought from shops and I thought
573
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:11,520
it would be a good idea
to recycle them.
574
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,880
Jess's mum Wendy has got even
more creative.
575
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,680
I'm making some little bags
to put my Christmas gifts in,
576
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:22,680
instead of trying to find
plastic-free wrapping paper.
577
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:28,240
Lots of wrapping paper includes
plastic and can't be recycled.
578
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:31,440
And when I do my research for Kay...
579
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,160
Good to see you again!
580
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,800
..I discover there's a handy plastic
check
581
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,360
and it'll work for
Kay's gift bags, too.
582
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:43,400
It's called the crinkle test.
583
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,160
Apparently if you just crinkle
something, and if it pings back
584
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,720
into shape,
then it's got plastic in it.
585
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:50,520
If it pings... Squeeze it...
586
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:52,320
Yeah, yeah. And then...
587
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:56,480
Are you surprised that that's got
plastic in it?
588
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:57,800
No. No, I'm not.
589
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,440
Actually, I'd be more surprised
if you said it hadn't got
590
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,840
any plastic in it.
591
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:06,960
This is properly single use,
because no-one's going to use...
592
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:11,560
They do, actually. If somebody gets
that in a present, undoes the bow...
593
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,120
But, Kay, not everyone is
as organised as you.
594
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,960
I just think people... You'd have
to be very organised...
595
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,240
We've got to differ on that one,
I'm afraid.
596
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,800
I'm sorry, but I don't agree
with you.
597
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:25,200
The end of the street experiment
is in just a few weeks' time,
598
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,200
so I'll be sure to check
in with Kay again.
599
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,320
HUGH: Producers of plastic
like Ineos are backing
600
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:41,440
recycling as the solution to the
plastic pollution crisis.
601
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:45,360
But I've seen how our current
recycling system is creating
602
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:47,880
problems as well as solving them.
603
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:53,840
A key way to reform it is to make
the producers of plastic packaging
604
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:57,400
pay for its collection,
sorting and disposal.
605
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:01,640
Currently, they only contribute
10% to those costs.
606
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:05,400
The Minister for the Environment,
Michael Gove, IS developing
607
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:09,200
a new Government strategy
to deal with our waste better,
608
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,840
and last time we met, I put to him
this principle
609
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:13,680
that the polluter should pay.
610
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,960
That responsibility
belongs entirely to producers
611
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,400
and retailers,
and they should pay 100%.
612
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,280
I absolutely accept the case,
and I think they should...
613
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:23,880
You accept the case for 100%?
614
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,400
I accept the case
that they should pay more.
615
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,800
Three weeks later, I'm invited
to the press launch
616
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:31,080
for his waste and resources strategy
617
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,120
at a London recycling facility.
618
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:36,520
So, has he taken all this on board?
619
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:41,600
Is he ready to make
plastic polluters pay 100%?
620
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,880
Hello. Hi. Nice to see you.
How are you? Not too bad.
621
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,800
You have news for all of us
who are interested in waste policy
622
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:49,720
and the future of plastics.
623
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:52,880
What are the headlines? Tomorrow,
we'll be publishing a document
624
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:56,480
which outlines how we can change
the way in which we deal with waste.
625
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:58,800
One of the first things,
which I know is something
626
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:01,680
that you've been calling for, Hugh,
is that we're going to say
627
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,280
to all producers that they must
pay the full cost of dealing
628
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,160
with material that they generate.
629
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,640
Producers will be responsible
for 100%?
630
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,360
100% of the cost... 100% of the cost
of recovery and recycling? Yes.
631
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:13,720
Obviously you're going to get
pushed back on that.
632
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:16,000
You're going to stand firm
and stick to 100%?
633
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:17,600
Oh, yes, absolutely, yes.
634
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:19,720
I think it's critical
that we do so.
635
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:23,760
So the Minister seems to be on track
with the idea that the polluters
636
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:27,240
should pay in full, although
the strategy still has a way to go
637
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:28,960
to become policy.
638
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:33,720
And even if we do get a properly
funded overhaul of our recycling,
639
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:38,000
I'm starting to wonder -
will this be enough?
640
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:45,160
I've been haunted by this sense
of a plastics industry
641
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,560
that's hell-bent on growth.
642
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:51,480
You know, that's all about more,
not less.
643
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:55,600
I'm meeting the lead plastics
campaigner for Friends of the Earth,
644
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:57,280
Julian Kirby...
645
00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:58,720
Hi, Julian.
646
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,600
..who's been modelling possible
futures for global plastic.
647
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,600
I've got to a certain point
in my plastics journey
648
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,760
where, I have to say,
things are feeling pretty intense,
649
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,320
especially since I went
to Grangemouth and visited
650
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:12,200
the Ineos plant.
651
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:15,160
What I'm hearing is, sure,
they're going to open new plants
652
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:18,800
and build more ethylene crackers,
but that's fine,
653
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:22,320
because they're going to use
more recycled plastic
654
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:25,840
and we're going to be better
at recycling, and the Government's
655
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,960
going to make sure that councils
are better at recycling,
656
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,600
and we're going to recycle
our way out of this problem
657
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:33,960
and it's all going to be fine.
Is it going to be fine?
658
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,600
No, it's not.
Not if we take that approach,
659
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,360
which is just carry on making more
and more and more and hope
660
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,440
that recycling will get us
out of the fix, because recycling
661
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:44,240
can't do that. Take this plate.
662
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:46,520
Imagine this is the circular
economy.
663
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:48,680
So we talk about the circular
economy is a good thing
664
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,440
and we need to recycle things as
much as possible.
665
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,000
Once we've made a plastic bottle,
we'll recycle it
666
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:55,800
round and round as a plastic
bottle.
667
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,840
But what people never talk about
in the debate is the size
668
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:00,160
of the circle.
669
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:03,360
So it's all very well putting in
plastic and then making it
670
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:04,680
spin around.
671
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,280
But if you're putting in more
and more plastic,
672
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:09,360
then your circle is getting
bigger and bigger,
673
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:11,960
and more plastic means
more climate-changing pollution
674
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:14,400
from the fossil fuels that are
needed to make that plastic.
675
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:18,040
So if you're getting 20%
better at recycling,
676
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:22,720
but the circle is getting 50%
bigger every few years...
677
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:27,640
Yeah. ..your problems of plastic
pollution are going up, not down.
678
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:29,520
Yeah, absolutely.
679
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:31,560
Mass expansion of plastic production
and use
680
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:34,040
is driving the plastic pollution
crisis,
681
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:37,360
but it's also a major contributor to
the climate crisis.
682
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:40,600
The focus has to be on reducing
how much plastic we're making
683
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:42,640
and using in the first place.
684
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,120
That is really missing
from the conversation,
685
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:49,200
and yet it's an essential part
of dealing with the plastic crisis.
686
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,840
I can see why getting behind
recycling serves the makers
687
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:57,000
of plastic so well - it's completely
compatible with giving us
688
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:58,800
more and more plastic.
689
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:03,240
And I wonder whether the businesses
that are using so much of it
690
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,960
might be playing the same game.
691
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:14,680
Giveaway toy campaigners Caitlin
and Ella are clear about the plastic
692
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:16,800
they don't need.
693
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:18,560
Hello, action team!
694
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:20,840
How are you?
695
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:24,520
Burger King have sent us
an update on their plans, writing,
696
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:27,280
"We are trialling the removal
of toys, and working
697
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,320
"on the development of alternatives,
698
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:32,080
"our goal being to have a more
sustainable toy solution
699
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:33,960
"in place by 2020.
700
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:38,320
"In the meantime, we'd like
to applaud Ella and Caitlin
701
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:39,840
"for their initiative."
702
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,240
They're all McDonald's ones...
703
00:34:42,240 --> 00:34:45,520
But the girls haven't received
anything from McDonald's
704
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,600
beyond their automated response,
and have come to London to deliver
705
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,600
their petition to the
head office around the corner.
706
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:55,440
Look at all those! 166,101.
707
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:02,240
I've brought along a little
addition...
708
00:35:02,240 --> 00:35:05,560
Choo-choo! Off we go.
709
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:07,720
..to make sure they get noticed.
710
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,680
We've gathered a small army
of McDonald's toys...
711
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:19,040
..to help show the scale
of the problem
712
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,000
the girls are highlighting.
713
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:24,920
Come and check it out.
714
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,120
That is a lot! Unbelievable.
715
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,120
"This many plastic Happy Meal toys
716
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:32,360
"are given away in the UK
every five minutes."
717
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:33,880
Five minutes!
718
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,640
That's just ridiculous. When you
go in to give your petition,
719
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:40,240
I thought maybe we could drop
this off as well. Yes.
720
00:35:40,240 --> 00:35:43,680
But before marching on McDonald's,
we attract a bit of a crowd.
721
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,320
So these two, Ella and Caitlin,
722
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:49,160
have got a petition here
that they've done
723
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:51,920
so they're going to take
this to McDonald's.
724
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,760
What do you think? Is that a good
thing? Yeah.
725
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,640
So you've got all the support.
Let's do it. Good.
726
00:35:57,640 --> 00:35:59,040
Let's do it. Lead the way, girls.
727
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:00,960
MUSIC: Alright by Supergrass
728
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,640
# We are young, we run green... #
729
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:07,000
Giant plastic worm
coming through.
730
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,440
# ..See our friends, see the sights
731
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:11,280
# Feel alright. #
732
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,360
At least McDonald's can't deal
with this approach by using
733
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,480
an automated response.
734
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,840
We've done a petition
against McDonald's plastic toys.
735
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:23,040
We want to speak
to the sustainability department
736
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,720
because we've got quite
a few signatures.
737
00:36:25,720 --> 00:36:28,280
Yes, can you come downstairs,
please?
738
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,160
Can we ask who's coming downstairs?
739
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,280
Someone that can help you.
740
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,680
OK, thank you very much.
741
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:40,280
But the person who comes
is not who we were hoping for.
742
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:42,840
We're just here to see if we can
speak to somebody.
743
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:45,000
No, you can't, I'm afraid.
We can't speak to anybody?
744
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:46,560
I'll talk to you outside.
745
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:48,960
But what about the girls
who want to speak to somebody?
746
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:52,040
And the girls as well. So we're not
allowed to stay in reception? No.
747
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,760
That's fine. Can I ask who you are?
Yeah, I'm the security.
748
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:58,360
OK. Security is escorting us off
the property.
749
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,360
Can we ask you to go down to
the bottom?
750
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:02,840
Can we just tell you what
the girls are...
751
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:04,440
I can tell you down the bottom. OK.
752
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:06,400
You've not even asked us what
we're here to do.
753
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,520
I'll ask you down the bottom. OK.
754
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,480
Do you want to take this with you?
You don't want this on the property?
755
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:13,040
No. No.
756
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:16,040
I think the girls might want...
They've brought a petition.
757
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:22,000
We retreat back to the
public pavement.
758
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,560
Are you all right? It's fine, OK?
759
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:26,080
Yeah?
760
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:29,080
He said he was going to talk
to us about what we wanted,
761
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,120
and now he's just disappeared.
762
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:35,080
He basically wanted to get us
off his property. It's not OK.
763
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:40,480
I feel like companies should be
ready to hear people's complaints.
764
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:42,760
Like, they don't really care.
765
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,680
They're really hurting the
environment. All they care about
766
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:48,360
is that people are still buying
their things
767
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:49,960
and they still get money.
768
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,280
They didn't come out of their
office to talk to you,
769
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:54,440
but I'm pretty sure McDonald's
will be watching.
770
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:56,760
So how about you tell them
what you want to say?
771
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:59,080
I want to say that this is just
ridiculous.
772
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,920
These toys are not needed.
773
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:03,800
No-one needs these toys.
774
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,880
We don't want them, and you can't
say that no-one else agrees
775
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:11,960
with us, because there's...
BOTH: ..166,101 signatures.
776
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:15,240
I don't doubt there are more people
than that who agree with us.
777
00:38:15,240 --> 00:38:18,360
You should be changing this
and you shouldn't be doing this,
778
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:20,440
McDonald's, it's crazy.
779
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:22,280
The girls are eventually
780
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,680
allowed back in to drop off
their petition
781
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:26,720
with the receptionist.
782
00:38:26,720 --> 00:38:30,360
McDonald's may not have come to talk
to us today,
783
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:33,360
but until they stop
giving out plastic toys,
784
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:36,560
I think they may be hearing
a lot more from the likes
785
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:38,440
of Ella and Caitlin.
786
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:51,000
The experiment to see how much
the streets in Bristol
787
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:54,480
can reduce its single-use plastic
is at its end.
788
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:04,240
Our team of counters are revisiting
the 22 houses taking part...
789
00:39:04,240 --> 00:39:06,880
We've got one, two, three, four...
790
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:10,040
..adding up every piece so we can
compare the total
791
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:12,920
with the original counts
four months ago.
792
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:17,040
How are you? Come on in.
793
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:22,560
If this normal street has been able
to make a significant reduction,
794
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:26,800
there IS hope we can find a way
out of the plastics crisis.
795
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,560
Hey! Welcome back!
796
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:33,400
What a massive day.
797
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:36,800
Before everyone gets together
for the collective result...
798
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,520
Let's do it. I'll go this way,
you go that way... Brilliant.
799
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:42,280
..and we'll meet up at the end and
see what we find. Can't wait.
800
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:45,240
..Hugh and I are keen to hear how
people on the street
801
00:39:45,240 --> 00:39:47,280
are feeling about the challenge.
802
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,680
Good morning. Hi, Wendy. Hello.
803
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:51,040
I hesitate to say
804
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:53,680
you were one of the worst
on the street for plastic,
805
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,760
but you were one of the worst on
the street for plastic!
806
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,200
Mad! All that stuff.
807
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:02,680
Is that about it now, for sort
of cleaning products?
808
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:03,920
That looks refillable too.
809
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:05,720
That's what Anna made me,
across the road.
810
00:40:05,720 --> 00:40:07,880
It's not necessarily
that you've got rid of a load,
811
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,040
it's that what you've got left
is refillable. Yeah.
812
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:12,520
The wet wipes are gone.
Have they? Yeah.
813
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:15,280
What have you done? It's quite
easy - we just don't buy any more.
814
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:18,960
Just use a cloth. Massive change is
the water bottles. They are gone.
815
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:22,080
And what have you replaced that
with? The water filter.
816
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:23,960
There's been some drastic changes.
817
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:26,080
What was the big thing for you?
818
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:27,600
Wipes.
819
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:29,640
Do you miss them? Not at all.
820
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:33,200
Once I realised how much
of a problem they were causing,
821
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:35,080
it was a no-brainer.
822
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:38,600
One resident's agoraphobia means
she can't turn out
823
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:40,400
for the result of the count.
824
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:42,760
Throughout the experiment,
the wonderful Kay
825
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:44,640
has been my reality check.
826
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:48,200
Now, what I've done is, that's the
wrapping bag -
827
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:51,000
all wrapping what come off
of presents.
828
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:54,200
This is the bag that you said
people will re-use.
829
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:55,840
Yeah, but they didn't, did they?
830
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,280
So what do you think? Are you going
to use those next year?
831
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:00,400
I probably won't, actually.
832
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,560
That could be one of the ones
I'm not going to do next year.
833
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:05,520
You're not going to use
these next year! No.
834
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:08,120
The bottom line is, I'm thinking
that I can make a bit
835
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:09,520
of a difference and,
836
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:12,960
if I could do it, so can a lot of
other people, really.
837
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:19,720
I love Kay's growing positivity
AND the other successes I've seen
838
00:41:19,720 --> 00:41:24,640
on the street, but I'm aware
they're not the full picture.
839
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:27,400
Not everybody's been able
to do that much.
840
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:30,800
Some people not engaged
with this at all, and it's not
841
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,160
actually that easy for people
to be as plastic free
842
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:37,240
as they want to be because of
the way things are sold.
843
00:41:37,240 --> 00:41:39,960
So, all of that taken into account,
844
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:42,880
what do I think about what's
going to happen?
845
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:44,680
No idea.
846
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:49,240
I just hope the plastic is less than
it was when we first started.
847
00:41:49,240 --> 00:41:51,280
As the residents gather,
848
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:55,680
our team calculates the grand total,
ready for the big reveal.
849
00:42:05,240 --> 00:42:07,440
Hello, everyone! Hey! Hi!
850
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:11,040
OK, so today is the big day
where we're going to find out
851
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,480
what we've all been up to.
852
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:17,000
Right. A lot of us are gathered here
who've been involved in the project
853
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,560
but there is a really special,
important person that
854
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:22,720
I've spent a lot of time with.
Kay, are you with us?
855
00:42:22,720 --> 00:42:24,280
I'm here! Hi!
856
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,320
Hello, Kay!
CHEERING
857
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:28,600
It's great to see you all there.
858
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:30,520
So shall we do the results?
859
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:32,680
ALL: Yes!
860
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:38,480
Four months ago, the total plastic
that came from this street
861
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:45,760
was 15,774
single-use bits of plastic.
862
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:47,200
So...
863
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:52,600
I just want to be clear
that the same houses
864
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:56,840
that were measured on day one
have been measured now.
865
00:42:56,840 --> 00:43:00,720
It's a proper comparison
of like figures.
866
00:43:00,720 --> 00:43:02,280
Here it comes.
867
00:43:04,240 --> 00:43:05,480
The figure today...
868
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:08,960
..is...
869
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:13,720
Yes!
870
00:43:13,720 --> 00:43:17,680
8,610 bits of plastic!
That is amazing.
871
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:20,280
CHEERING
872
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:22,760
So that is a reduction of...
873
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,320
..45%! Wow!
874
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,120
Yeah, come on! This is you!
875
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:34,880
You have come very, very close
to halving the amount of plastic
876
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:38,480
you're using in the street.
Phenomenal.
877
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:43,400
If every street in the country
followed your example, by how many
878
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:47,800
pieces of plastic would we reduce
the plastic mountain that's now
879
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:49,520
sitting on top of us all?
880
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:51,600
What would it be?
881
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:56,240
8.8 billion pieces of plastic
less in our lives.
882
00:43:56,240 --> 00:44:00,440
That's 8.8 billion pieces of plastic
that won't end up in the sea.
883
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:03,480
That won't get burned
somewhere in Asia
884
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:06,160
because we don't
know how to deal with it.
885
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:10,080
It would be a phenomenal
achievement for the nation
886
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:13,000
to do what you have done.
887
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:16,440
We've learned so much.
Yeah, it's been amazing.
888
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:18,200
One of the really great things
889
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:20,640
has been our community
coming together.
890
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:23,600
There is a small revolution
going on, and, yes...
891
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:25,000
Now let's make it a big one.
892
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,800
We need to make it a big one, yeah.
Amazing. Thank you.
893
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:32,680
WHOOPING
894
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:43,360
This ordinary British street
has proved that making
895
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:47,320
a significant reduction to the
plastic in our lives IS possible,
896
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:49,760
but it hasn't all been easy.
897
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:52,400
What are the hardest things
to buy without plastic?
898
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:53,840
Food.
899
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:55,920
Food that you're going to keep
900
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,480
for a while like the bars,
the pasta.
901
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:01,480
It's very frustrating to go
to Sainsbury's thinking, right,
902
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:03,360
I'm going to avoid plastic
903
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:06,360
and then... You can't.
..I need X, Y and Z,
904
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:09,160
and it's all encased in plastic.
905
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:15,320
Of course, the supermarkets aren't
silent on the subject of plastics.
906
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:18,160
They've all got a plan,
and I'm absolutely convinced
907
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:22,560
that this is where we need to see
change - from our supermarkets.
908
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:25,720
This is where we have to pile
on the pressure.
909
00:45:25,720 --> 00:45:28,760
One of the baselines for
the supermarkets' plans
910
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:33,560
is a pledge that they've all signed
called the Plastics Pact.
911
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:38,520
And here's the number one
commitment - that by 2025,
912
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:42,640
100% of our plastic packaging
to be reusable,
913
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:45,280
recyclable or compostable.
914
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:47,320
They've got three choices.
915
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:51,000
So, which of these are they actually
going to choose?
916
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:54,920
The different supermarkets'
plastics plans have been analysed
917
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:59,040
by the Environmental Investigation
Agency and Greenpeace.
918
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:04,440
I've come to discuss their findings
919
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:09,200
with Greenpeace's ocean plastics
campaigner Elena Polisano.
920
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:11,400
Hi, Elena. Hi. How are you?
921
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:15,040
The survey found that UK
supermarkets produce
922
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:18,160
over 800,000 tonnes
of single-use plastic a year -
923
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:20,640
a third of all our
plastic packaging -
924
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:23,480
so their future plans
really matter.
925
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:25,840
This is a familiar sight
to us all, isn't it?
926
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:29,160
So this is the sort of plastic
we would call a problem plastic.
927
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:30,640
It can't be recycled.
928
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:33,400
Supermarkets need to make sure
they're getting rid of this stuff.
929
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:35,120
The three peppers...
930
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:38,040
This crinkly stuff can't be
recycled. Can't be recycled.
931
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:42,840
But they are planning to phase this
stuff out - in favour of what?
932
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:44,880
Recyclable plastic, mainly.
933
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:47,600
So we're still talking
single-use plastic packaging.
934
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:51,200
So the fact that it's single use but
recyclable, that's still a problem.
935
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:52,600
Absolutely!
936
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:53,960
No waste system in the world
937
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:56,880
could cope with the amount of
plastic that we're producing.
938
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:58,880
The evidence I think is there
for us all to see,
939
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:00,480
whether it's a walk along the beach
940
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:02,480
or whether it's images
of the plastic
941
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:04,600
that we've exported around
the world.
942
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:07,080
Another solution
open to the supermarkets
943
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:11,160
under their pledge is to use
compostable plastics.
944
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:14,640
The worry with this stuff is that it
needs very specific conditions
945
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:17,120
in order to be compostable,
946
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:21,040
and if it gets into the recycling
stream it contaminates it.
947
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:24,200
We need to move away from
a throwaway culture where we imagine
948
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:27,240
that our packaging just
magically disappears.
949
00:47:27,240 --> 00:47:30,480
We need to move away from
single use, full stop.
950
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:33,160
Why do you think supermarkets
are going down this route
951
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:36,640
of sticking with plastics rather
than properly addressing reduction?
952
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:39,360
Because it's as close as you can get
to business as usual.
953
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:42,120
It's very profitable. It means
that, you know, supermarkets
954
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:44,720
don't need to make these big,
radical changes.
955
00:47:44,720 --> 00:47:48,200
So this Plastics Pact
actually makes it entirely possible
956
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:51,960
that there'll be far more plastic
in our supermarkets, not less.
957
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:54,720
You could very well say,
yup, I've met my target,
958
00:47:54,720 --> 00:47:56,640
2025, done and dusted,
959
00:47:56,640 --> 00:48:00,360
when, actually, the absolute amount
of plastic could double.
960
00:48:06,240 --> 00:48:10,320
One way for supermarkets to break
away from single-use plastic
961
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:13,080
is to simply sell us goods
without packaging.
962
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:17,640
Two months ago, Tesco told me
about their planned trial
963
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:20,640
to encourage their customers
to buy loose fruit and veg
964
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:22,240
rather than packaged.
965
00:48:22,240 --> 00:48:26,080
So now I've come along to one of
the two stores running the trial.
966
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:28,480
I'm wondering whether I'll step
in there
967
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:30,400
and see a completely
new type of Tesco.
968
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:33,920
That's what I'm hoping to see.
Less plastic. A lot less plastic.
969
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:40,480
I'm meeting up with group quality
director Sarah Bradbury.
970
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:42,360
Hello, Sarah. Hello, how are you?
971
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:44,680
I'm great.
Lovely to see you again!
972
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:47,000
The attractive displays
of loose fruit and veg
973
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:49,360
certainly look promising.
974
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:53,800
At my last meeting with Sarah,
I pointed out that buying produce
975
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:57,120
loose often costs more
than buying it packaged,
976
00:48:57,120 --> 00:49:00,320
and she promised me that this trial
would be different.
977
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:02,800
The peppers here are 25p here
978
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:07,920
and we've got 30p for the red
and for the orange ones as well.
979
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:11,680
We've made sure they're absolutely
price competitive.
980
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:14,160
Sarah's kept her word on price,
981
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:18,920
but the trial hasn't increased
the choice if you want to buy loose.
982
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:22,920
It's simply lowered the price
of 45 lines of fruit and veg
983
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:27,840
that were already being sold loose,
and removed the packaged option.
984
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:31,760
Hundreds of other lines
are STILL in their packaging.
985
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:38,880
You've got one, two, three, four,
986
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:42,920
five, six, seven,
987
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:45,240
eight, nine, ten,
988
00:49:45,240 --> 00:49:50,720
11, 12. 12 different ranges of
tomatoes all in plastic
989
00:49:50,720 --> 00:49:54,720
and only two that are available
without. There's not a choice.
990
00:49:54,720 --> 00:49:57,160
There is a choice here -
there's absolutely a choice.
991
00:49:57,160 --> 00:50:00,080
I've got two loose tomatoes,
and 12 in plastic.
992
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:01,520
That's not a choice.
993
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:04,640
If a company like Tesco makes
a commitment to just get rid of
994
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:06,640
as much plastic packaging
as possible,
995
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:09,840
you will have made a huge
impact to the country as a whole.
996
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:14,320
We would reduce our single plastic
use overnight if you could do that.
997
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:16,520
So it is important that we do that.
998
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:19,080
We've created a culture
around convenience
999
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:22,040
and everybody is used to buying
in a certain way.
1000
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:24,600
You're right.
We buy our tomatoes like this
1001
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:27,480
because Tesco's is selling them
to me like this. Yep.
1002
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:29,760
You're telling me
that this is convenient.
1003
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:32,240
You're telling me that this is
going to be better
1004
00:50:32,240 --> 00:50:33,520
for my tomatoes at home.
1005
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:36,560
You're dictating to us
how we should be buying.
1006
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:39,800
How hard is it to just remove the
packaging from the chain?
1007
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:43,080
Practically, we could do it tomorrow
if it was the right thing to do.
1008
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:44,600
But we need to make sure that we've
1009
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:47,680
brought the supply chain along with
us. I'm not going to forget that.
1010
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:49,840
Practically, you could do
it tomorrow
1011
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:52,200
if you thought
it was the right thing to do?
1012
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:56,120
I had such high hopes for this
trial, but it just doesn't feel
1013
00:50:56,120 --> 00:51:00,520
like the dramatic change
in thinking that we need.
1014
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:02,960
For a massive, powerful supermarket,
1015
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:07,480
you created a culture of shopping,
you dictated to us how we shop.
1016
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:11,520
Now I say to you - create another
culture. Change the landscape.
1017
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:15,480
Be radical. Set the standards for
other supermarkets.
1018
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:17,520
How about that?
1019
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:22,200
A growing number of refill shops
around the country have introduced
1020
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:25,320
a genuine alternative
to plastic-heavy shopping,
1021
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:28,560
allowing us to fill our own bags
and containers
1022
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:30,640
with un-packaged produce.
1023
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:32,640
I think they're great,
1024
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:35,480
but, to date, they've struggled
to match the supermarkets
1025
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:37,800
for choice and affordability.
1026
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:41,800
Catherine Conway is a consultant
on reducing packaging
1027
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:45,520
and is designing ways to
scale up the refill approach
1028
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:48,160
for our supermarket aisles.
1029
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:51,480
Hi, Cath. Lovely to meet you.
How are you doing? Very well.
1030
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:55,600
So if you're looking at your future
shopping crystal ball,
1031
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:57,600
definitely not a plastic ball,
1032
00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:00,720
what does it look like,
five years, ten years from now?
1033
00:52:00,720 --> 00:52:03,280
How could and should we be shopping?
1034
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:06,680
So I guess packaging is something
that enables the food to get
1035
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:09,280
to your house,
enables you to use it,
1036
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:11,680
and then it goes back into
the system to be reused
1037
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:15,120
so it's just in a continual cycle
of being cleaned, reused, cleaned,
1038
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:17,000
reused, round and round.
1039
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:19,600
Which actually plays to
plastic's strength,
1040
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:22,120
because it is really a durable
substance.
1041
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:24,360
It's about the system,
not the material.
1042
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:27,440
Imagine that you've got
this kind of Tupperware at home.
1043
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:29,760
One option is, you go
into your store
1044
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:31,480
and somebody refills
that for you.
1045
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:34,680
The other one is, you walk
in and pick up a pre-filled piece
1046
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:37,360
of reusable packaging
from the supermarket,
1047
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:40,640
take it home, use the goods and then
you put it back into the system.
1048
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:42,760
That's a big change
we're asking for.
1049
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:45,640
But if you think, traditionally,
it's not that much of a change.
1050
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:48,320
In some way, it's going back
to systems that we used to have,
1051
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:50,880
where it was refillable
glass milk bottles - you know,
1052
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:52,800
the way our parents used to shop,
1053
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:55,000
and it's actually updating
those systems
1054
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:57,440
in a more tech-savvy,
a more modern world.
1055
00:52:57,440 --> 00:52:59,400
It does sound like a brave new world
1056
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:02,200
but not one in which there's zero
cost to the environment.
1057
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:05,080
You need heat and cleaning products.
You're totally right.
1058
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:08,480
But I firmly believe that if
it's done to the right scale
1059
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:11,640
at the right efficiencies,
then the system has to be better
1060
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:14,840
for the environment than
the single-use alternative.
1061
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:18,600
After several years of trying
to engage supermarkets
1062
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:21,680
Catherine is now advising
one of them
1063
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:26,280
as it dips its toes into the world
of reusable packaging.
1064
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:31,280
Waitrose are running a trial
at just one branch for 11 weeks.
1065
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:35,640
They've intercepted parts
of their supply chain
1066
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:38,720
before the plastic packaging
goes on,
1067
00:53:38,720 --> 00:53:41,840
to offer 160 lines of loose
fruit and veg
1068
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:45,560
as well as refill stations
for dry-store goods,
1069
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:50,640
frozen fruit, coffee
and even wine and beer.
1070
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:53,040
You can bring your own containers
and bags
1071
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:56,080
or put down a deposit to
borrow theirs.
1072
00:53:58,720 --> 00:54:02,440
I love not feeling guilty every
time I buy fruit and veg any more.
1073
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:05,560
Be even better if you could manage
to provide milk
1074
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:08,960
in returnable glass bottles or a
milk refill station.
1075
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:12,000
This is great. Hopefully more
stores will do the same.
1076
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:13,880
Well, that's the crunch, isn't it?
1077
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:15,920
More stores will follow.
1078
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:19,920
I mean, there's only one Waitrose
doing this out of 360,
1079
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:23,040
and thousands
of other supermarkets
1080
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:25,720
not really embracing this approach
at all yet.
1081
00:54:25,720 --> 00:54:28,320
We're at the very, very beginning
of something.
1082
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:31,360
Or are we?
Maybe it'll just peter out and die.
1083
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:34,040
What I think is important
about what's happening here
1084
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:36,600
is that they're showing
it is possible -
1085
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:39,920
we can do our shopping
without all this plastic.
1086
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:41,880
And if that's going to scale up,
1087
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:44,520
if that's going to become
the new normal,
1088
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:47,120
well, ultimately, it's going to
be down to us.
1089
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:54,360
We know the scale of the plastic
problem we're facing.
1090
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:57,880
Every single minute
of every single day
1091
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:03,280
a truckload of plastics is finding
its way into the world's oceans.
1092
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:11,280
And one street has shown us
that we CAN do things differently.
1093
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:15,440
So that is a reduction of... 45%.
1094
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:16,560
Wow!
1095
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:20,680
But if we are going to bring
about the change our planet needs,
1096
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:23,640
then we need to make ourselves
heard.
1097
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:27,320
Our supermarkets are always telling
us that our opinions matter,
1098
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:29,360
that they value our feedback.
1099
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:31,400
So let's take them up on that.
1100
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:34,640
Let's start feeding
our plastic back.
1101
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:37,440
I'm going to write
"enough is enough".
1102
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:40,480
These bananas are already
packaged by nature.
1103
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:44,040
Every year we spend BILLIONS
in the big supermarkets.
1104
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:46,160
So surely they'll listen!
1105
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:49,400
I'll keep on buying but
only if you keep on trying
1106
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:52,080
to reduce my plastic packaging
to zero.
1107
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:55,600
Cauliflower does not need
a plastic bag.
1108
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:59,280
If you're shopping in the next seven
days, take those bits of plastic
1109
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:02,240
that are really irritating
you and take them back
1110
00:56:02,240 --> 00:56:03,480
to the supermarket.
1111
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:06,520
Write your message on the plastic
and hand it over.
1112
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:09,960
My little note is,
"Plastic isn't fantastic."
1113
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:14,840
Please stop wrapping my fruit
and vegetable in plastic.
1114
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:17,440
Hashtag - #OurPlasticFeedback.
1115
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:19,200
Why don't you get involved too?
1116
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:21,440
Time to reduce.
1117
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:25,280
And don't forget to add the
hashtag...
1118
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:27,440
Share it on social media.
1119
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:34,080
And then feed it back.
1120
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:36,160
We're giving our plastic feedback!
1121
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:38,800
Just here to give our
plastic feedback.
1122
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:43,480
People across the country are
starting to tell their supermarkets
1123
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:47,480
they no longer want their
single-use plastic.
1124
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:52,360
They won't be very pleased, but
I think they'll understand.
1125
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:55,000
Do it for us,
do it for our children,
1126
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:56,560
do it for our grandchildren.
1127
00:56:56,560 --> 00:56:59,480
Let's make
the change we need happen.
1128
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:02,720
It looks like some people
have had enough.
1129
00:57:02,720 --> 00:57:05,640
It's time for a plastics revolution.
1130
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:08,200
There's too much plastic
on our planet.
1131
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:11,800
Hashtag...
1132
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:15,240
Let's tell the supermarkets
how we feel.
1133
00:57:15,240 --> 00:57:18,160
For the next seven days,
let's give them...
1134
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:21,320
ALL: ..our plastic feedback!
1135
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:30,280
For the sake of the planet,
1136
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:33,640
LESS plastic, please.
151148
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