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I think it's time now to sweeten the air
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with a little entertainment.
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But not on the principle of escapism,
but on the principle of affirmation.
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And there's scarcely
a more affirmative artist in
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the musical world than my old friend
whom I'm going to bring out now,
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on the theory that music hath charms
to soothe the savage breast.
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And because he is,
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past all question,
one of the greatest influences
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in American music
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and the greatest influence
in jazz of all time.
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It's my great pleasure
to bring you my great friend,
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Louis Armstrong.
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The whole world embraced Louis Armstrong.
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He was bringing a gift,
the gift of a presentness
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and a naturalness and a depth of insight.
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And the ability to act
on those insights in the moment.
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And it was in a difficult form like music.
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And that type of electric virtuosity
has not been seen before or since.
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Without him,
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many things that happen today in jazz
would not be possible.
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And I think that Mr. Armstrong
has not gotten a good deal
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of the credit that's due to him.
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He has been
the number one man in his department.
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He is really the ambassador
of the whole thing,
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so there will never
be another one like this.
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Well, he was a very, very deep person.
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He was very much aware
of world activities,
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what was happening everywhere.
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We would have our discussions at home.
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He had been asked
by many reporters in interviews
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what did he think
about a certain particular thing.
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And Louis would say, "Well, man,
you know, I'm just a musician."
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He never would come out publicly
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because his theory was that
"what I say carries a lot of weight."
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And he says, "And I just won't do it."
But at home, he had his opinions.
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American people,
they the most grandest people on Earth.
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And I'm from America,
well, quite naturally,
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I don't have no fucking flag
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other than a Black flag.
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Thank you, folks.
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Thank you.
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Now I'll be glad when you're dead
You rascal you
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I'll be glad when you're dead
You rascal you
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Boy, when you're laying six feet deep
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No more fried chicken will you eat
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Oh, you dog
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I know that'll break your heart
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My father would say,
"You have to check Pops out."
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I was going, "Man, I don't want Pops."
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In New Orleans, too,
where so much what we call
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"Uncle Tomming" goes on.
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Playing Dixie, shuffling.
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In my time, I hated that
with an unbelievable passion.
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When I was growing up,
there was no way for me to even express
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the type of anger and hatred I had
toward that type of behavior.
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So, I could not appreciate Armstrong.
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But when I left New Orleans,
and I was in New York at that time,
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my father sent me a tape.
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He said, "Man, why don't you learn
one of these Pops solos?"
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So I put it on
and I started to work on it.
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Man, I could not play this solo at all.
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Just the endurance of Louis Armstrong.
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He never stopped playing.
He was always up around high B's.
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And when we got to the final chorus,
I called my father.
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I said,
"Man, I didn't understand about Pops."
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He just started laughing.
He said, "That's right."
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Louis loved his home in Queens.
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Some people said
that it wasn't palatial enough.
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And he didn't wanna move anywhere else.
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When tape came on the scene,
Louis became enamored of that.
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And he used it most of all
for conversations.
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He had friends come to the house,
and he would tape it.
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Louis had a lot of, sort of, what
I would describe as archival materials.
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I mean, tapes and things like that.
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He had his own study.
It was taboo to everyone.
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That was his. He'd close that door
and nobody bothered him.
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He had his tapes
and everything of his was in there.
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I've heard a lot of
reel-to-reels of Pops just talking.
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Everyday life recordings.
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His humanity comes through.
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I got tapes on my wall in my den.
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For 40 years, Lucille had
one of them Tandbergs
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put up there with two tapes together.
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That really knocked me out
because we couldn't afford no den
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in them early days.
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No, we've gotta sleep in that room.
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-Now you got a den.
-Now I got a den.
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I got all of my tapes around the walls
and just pick out what I wanna hear.
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He was the busiest person,
taking care of things when he was home.
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It was his relaxation.
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He would sit up in his study
for hours and hours,
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indexing his tapes.
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And he has a hobby
of cutting out pictures,
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you know, and paste them up on the ceiling
in his den, all over the walls.
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I've got scrapbooks that Louis had
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that were made up when he first played
the Palladium back in '32.
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Most of the pictures and the newspaper
write-ups have gone yellow.
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People asked all the time,
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"Why is he recording these tapes?
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Why is he writing down
all of his thoughts?"
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And all this kind of stuff.
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He knew that one day they were gonna
write about him in the history books.
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And so he wanted to make sure
all sides of him-- good, bad, ugly--
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were gonna be captured
and preserved by himself.
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Not by anybody else.
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Hello, folks.
This is old Louis "Satchmo" Armstrong.
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I just finished this concert here and
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I feel good 'cause I had a nice supper
of Wiener schnitzels.
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Glad to see you around
and dig the concerts.
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We've been playing every night
around the neighborhood cities.
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So, later. Goodbye.
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Louis Armstrong is
the prime minister of the world of jazz.
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He and his trumpet are at the summit.
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His European concerts
have broken all records.
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Satchmo is one of our more valuable items
for export.
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His recordings are hot
on both sides of the iron curtain.
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Satchmo,
you always draw an audience, don't you?
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Yeah, man. That shows you
there's cats in all walks of life.
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He broke so many barriers.
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He would be the first Black performer
to open up a club,
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a ballroom, a radio station.
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He was the first Black movie performer
to have his name above the title.
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Don't you ever get tired?
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Well, daddy,
I'm just a little beat from my youth.
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You had quite a session here tonight.
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Yeah, we just start playing it the same
as we did in the tailgates in New Orleans.
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It's the same music.
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And it's universal, daddy.
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Yes, way down yonder in New Orleans
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Man, you should have made
All those scenes
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"Just saying 'Hello, folks'
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over a microphone sounds simple
and innocent, doesn't it?
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But I remember when it wasn't so simple.
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Back in 1931,
I was invited to play in my hometown,
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New Orleans, at a fancy nightclub,
the Suburban Gardens."
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You spent a lot of time in New Orleans,
in the South, looking for signs.
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You see a restroom that said,
"White Gentlemen."
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This always was a put-down.
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So, you saw that flashing
in your face all the time.
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The only way
Louis would agree to go to New Orleans
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was on his own private train.
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Which meant that we could have
our private car, our cooks,
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chefs, porters and things like that.
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In New Orleans, we're, quite naturally,
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the first band on the radio down there…
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Fleischmann's Yeast presents
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another great half hour of entertainment,
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featuring music by Louis Armstrong
and his orchestra.
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And you never heard
of no spade playing on no radio
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in those days. Just starting.
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The night we opened,
there's all the white boys
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that I was raised with, you know.
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Sitting up there, sharp.
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They done got rich.
Maybe their fathers done left 'em the--
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the produce places and different things
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that when we was kids
we used to hang around.
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And after school, we'd go out in the lots
and play cowboys and Indians
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with old broken slates
and things like that.
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You know what I mean? We--
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We was the Indians, of course.
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And at that time,
there was no mixing of the races at all.
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The only way
our people could hear the band
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was to come out
and sit along the levee and hear--
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and hear the music from the--
from a distance.
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They had 50,000 Negroes
on the levee to hear my music.
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See, and I had been away
about nine or ten years
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and I done got northern-fied.
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I done forgot about a whole lot of
that foolishness down there, you know?
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The night we're opening, and I'm charming,
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and there's-- place pack and jam.
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But this night, they done brought
this man up to-- "It's a big deal, now.
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You bring on Louis Armstrong.
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He's a New Orleans boy
and blah, blah, blah."
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But a second before
this cat had to go to that mic
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and bring me on, he walked away.
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Say, "I just can't introduce that nigger.
Can't do it."
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They got me and told me what he says.
I said, "Well, don't worry about it."
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You know?
I said, "Give me that card, boys."
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And I walked to that mic.
And when I went into…
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Pale moon shining
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Man, you thought the walls was coming in.
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Now the pale moon's shining
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On the fields below
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The folks are crooning soft and low
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You needn't tell me, boy
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Because I know, yes
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When it's sleepy time down South, yes
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And this announcer's standing there.
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He said, "I didn't know this would happen
in the South in New Orleans.
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Never happened before."
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So, they fired him and everything,
and I took over myself.
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Good evening, everybody
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It was particularly galling
for him to go home
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after being lionized the way he was
around the world
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and see the same type of prejudice.
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His feelings were perpetually hurt
by the nation
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and the injustice that he knew
when he was a boy.
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Pops grew up very hard.
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It's been said, Pops,
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that you were brought up
in abject poverty.
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You didn't have money
when you were a kid, though.
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We always had money.
I could shoot craps, sold newspapers,
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and I always hustled on the--
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with the quartet and a little guitar,
just sit and go busking.
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And I always had a pocket full of money.
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You know, in 1915, you had five dollars,
you had a whole lot of money.
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And I didn't ever have
to beg nobody for nothing all my life.
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Always a kid that had
some get-up about him.
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I was born in James Alley, they called it.
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It's back of town.
That's the real New Orleans.
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We have a photo of your mama
I wanna show everybody.
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-Yeah. That's my mother there, Mayann.
-How did she discipline you?
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What did she do
when you did something wrong?
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She had to whip the hell out of us both.
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And, man, she hit me like a man.
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And then she married Willie Armstrong.
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I mean, I'm only going by
what they tell me along that line.
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'Cause as long as I can remember,
they wasn't together.
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We didn't have much money
and things like that.
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But we lived and enjoyed good food. And--
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-You had a lot of fun?
-Yeah.
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My mother could take 15 cents
and go to the Poydras Market
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and come back and cook a meal.
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And you had to lick your fingers,
it was just so good.
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-You know what I mean? Yes, sir.
-For 15 cents?
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In those days, you could take a newspaper,
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and I'd go to the fish market
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and buy a whole newspaper
full of fish heads.
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Just plain, chopped-off fish heads
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that they wouldn't use, they put aside.
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Yeah.
That'd be garbage for them, wouldn't it?
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Well, they just ain't got time
to do what we did with--
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-Yeah.
-My mother would get them fish heads
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and cook 'em
and put a lot of canned tomatoes in 'em
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and call it court bouillon
and serve it on top of some rice.
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Boy, you talking about beautiful food.
And delicious.
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And the next morning,
I'd go to school with a cabbage sandwich.
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Kids would be begging for a bite.
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-No kidding?
-Absolutely. Yeah.
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New Orleans was a stomping ground.
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Well, they played every type of music.
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Everyone, no doubt, had a different style.
They had every class.
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We had Spanish.
We had coloreds. We had whites.
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I was working
for some Jewish people at seven years old.
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They had a rags-and-bones yard.
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And then we used to go down
to the red-light district
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and deliver stone coal,
five cents a water bucket.
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I've got those coal cart blues
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I'm really all confused
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I'm 'bout to lose my very mind
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It always worry, worry me all the time
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The center of entertainment in New Orleans
was Storyville,
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the notorious red-light district.
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"The Negroes were only allowed
to work in the red-light district.
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Most of the help was Negroes.
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They were paid good salaries
and had a longtime job.
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The pay was swell
no matter what your vocation was.
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No mixing at the guest tables at no time.
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As far as to buy a little trim,
that was absolutely out of the question."
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Down in the district,
the red-light district.
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As you call them, "prostitutes,"
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where they get five dollars for a job,
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the whores where I'm talking about,
up in my neighborhood,
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they get 50 cents to a dollar.
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Well, quite naturally,
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they're standing there with nothing on
but a chemise.
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We'd call 'em teddies at the time,
you know.
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So, there I'd be, a little boy,
and put some coal on the grates, you know.
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Quite naturally,
you gotta take a mug there right quick.
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If they'd seen me,
they'd have slapped me down.
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Yeah, I actually did all that.
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But I used to hear
all that good music too.
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That's how I got a chance
to hear Bunk Johnson,
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Manuel Perez, and all the best bands
and everything, you see?
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-They were all in the red-light district?
-Yeah, they-- Each corner had a band.
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Cabarets, they called them, see?
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And we'd dance.
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And I'd be waving at 'em all.
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And when they'd go inside,
we had to go to bed and sleep.
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New Year's Eve, 1912.
Louis and his pals were out on the street.
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And they were celebrating
and making noise like everybody else.
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And somehow,
Louis got hold of a .38 revolver.
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I found this pistol. Got blanks in it.
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But the noise is what everybody give you.
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So when I look around,
a little guy was shooting
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a little old six-shooter
across the street. You know.
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So, I was singing in a little quartet,
you know,
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we used to go around
and pass the hat, you know.
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And they called me Dipper at that time.
Dippermouth, you know.
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They say, "Get him, Dipper."
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And I reached up there
to grab the .38 and…
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and brighten it up
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until that detective was hugging me
and I said, "Oh…"
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In those days,
the cops would whip your head
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and then ask you your name afterwards,
you know?
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And you think
that's something that's changed?
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Well, I haven't been down there
in so long. I'm gonna go down and see.
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00:20:38,530 --> 00:20:39,823
And I couldn't get away from him.
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He took me down to the juvenile court
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and then, the next day,
they took me out to the orphanage.
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It was called
Colored Waif's Home for Boys.
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When was the first time in your life
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that you actually picked up a horn?
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That was, you know,
when I went to the orphanage.
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I was about 13.
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This is the first horn
that Louis Armstrong ever owned.
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We did not have much money,
but we are proud of encouraging him.
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The little brass band was very good,
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and Mr. Davis made the boys play
a little of every kind of music.
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When he first arrived at your home,
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could you tell right away
he wanted to be a musician?
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-We could, yes.
-How could you tell that?
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Because he organized quartets, singing,
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then he introduced dancing out there,
tap dancing.
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The boys would clap and sing,
and he'd sing and dance.
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Then when I did get him to play
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"When the Saints Go Marching In,"
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"Put On Your Old Grey Bonnet,"
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there was a high note to be out on
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-because it was at the end of the strain.
-Yeah.
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None of the other boys couldn't make it.
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And I couldn't make it myself.
325
00:21:45,430 --> 00:21:48,058
But he would blow the high C
above the staff
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to let us know
that's the end of the strain.
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Every day I practiced faithfully
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on the lessons Mr. Davis gave me.
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I became so good on the cornet
that one day Mr. Davis said to me,
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"Louis, I'm going to make you
leader of the band."
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I jumped straight up into the air.
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You see, what people don't understand,
in New Orleans,
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the majority of the musicians
haven't had the opportunity
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of having a teacher.
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And they only pick up an instrument
and just fool around with it
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until they begin to try to get
some kind of tone or notes out of it.
337
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And that's how they started.
338
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We had military training in the orphanage.
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And "Star-Spangled Banner,"
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we was taught
that was our national anthem.
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And you're supposed to stand up
and salute.
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And I was taught to play that tune
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with every spark I had in my soul.
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On our lands we was taught.
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And when we play it,
that's the feeling I have.
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And then they hoist that flag.
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Note for note, I still remember.
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Do you have a happy feeling
when you play that song?
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I feel that I'm somebody.
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Yeah.
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When I finish playing
"Star-Spangled Banner,"
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I feel just as proud as anybody
that ever picked up a gun,
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shouldered a rifle,
and said, "Forward march."
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I was with James Baldwin,
listening to Louis,
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and he played a great set.
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00:23:47,511 --> 00:23:51,682
And then he ended with
"The Star-Spangled Banner."
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And James turned to me, and he said,
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"You know, that's the first time
I've liked that song."
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What he heard from Louis
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did away with all the stuff
that was accumulated around it.
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00:24:11,285 --> 00:24:16,123
And just in the purity
that Louis brought to it
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00:24:16,206 --> 00:24:18,584
made him appreciate it.
363
00:24:19,209 --> 00:24:23,046
Everybody talks about Hendrix
and "The Star-Spangled Banner."
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00:24:30,888 --> 00:24:34,016
But Armstrong was performing it
as early as World War II.
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You know, right after Pearl Harbor,
he started putting it in his repertoire.
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And he is going on stage
and pouring his soul into that song.
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00:24:41,565 --> 00:24:42,774
And there's pride,
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00:24:42,858 --> 00:24:46,403
but there's also a tremendous amount
of hurt every time you hear him play it.
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00:24:46,486 --> 00:24:51,325
Louis Armstrong was coming
from a 40-year memory of what slavery was.
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00:24:51,408 --> 00:24:54,620
He understood that there was
a battle in this country,
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00:24:54,703 --> 00:24:58,123
so he was trying to use his music
to transform and reform
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and lead the country
closer to its higher ideals.
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Who, if anybody, was
the biggest influence on your early life?
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-What, in music?
-In music.
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00:25:20,437 --> 00:25:21,730
King Oliver.
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'Cause I--
Outside of the Waif's Home, the orphanage.
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00:25:25,150 --> 00:25:26,568
When I got out, he took me over.
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00:25:26,652 --> 00:25:30,113
And he always told me, "Never play a lot
of that jiujitsu music.
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Play the lead. You got a good tone,
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and you know how to phrase,
and it says something."
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00:25:36,578 --> 00:25:40,415
And I carried his cornet
when he wasn't blowing and marching.
382
00:25:40,499 --> 00:25:43,001
And the police would have been
running me out the parade.
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00:25:43,085 --> 00:25:44,419
You know, I stayed with him on it.
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But that's my man.
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00:25:45,587 --> 00:25:48,841
You play in that hot sun,
you know, with that uniform on,
386
00:25:48,924 --> 00:25:51,885
and he put a hanky on his neck
to keep the sun off his neck.
387
00:25:51,969 --> 00:25:53,512
And he was really blowing that horn.
388
00:26:00,143 --> 00:26:03,522
When the authorities closed down
sinful old Storyville,
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00:26:03,605 --> 00:26:07,442
more than 200 musicians suddenly
found themselves out of work.
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00:26:07,526 --> 00:26:10,112
King Oliver had left town
anyhow for Chicago,
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where they had heard
that their kind of music,
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00:26:12,155 --> 00:26:13,615
called jazz up north,
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00:26:13,699 --> 00:26:15,075
was getting very popular.
394
00:26:15,576 --> 00:26:19,913
"I have always been crazy
over Joe Oliver and his playing.
395
00:26:19,997 --> 00:26:22,958
So when Joe sent for me
to join him in Chicago,
396
00:26:23,041 --> 00:26:25,752
I was happy
because I knew I'd feel at home
397
00:26:25,836 --> 00:26:27,045
and he'd see after me."
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00:26:32,092 --> 00:26:33,260
Chicago was about
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the second most popular section
for Black people in the country.
400
00:26:37,264 --> 00:26:40,142
It was a great migration point
where people went off
401
00:26:40,225 --> 00:26:43,228
from Alabama, Mississippi, Arkansas.
402
00:26:43,312 --> 00:26:44,646
You could walk to Chicago,
403
00:26:44,730 --> 00:26:48,692
just keep walking
if you had enough muscles in your legs.
404
00:26:49,776 --> 00:26:51,111
I'd have gone back home
405
00:26:51,195 --> 00:26:53,947
if I knew I'd be pushed out
into all them tall buildings.
406
00:26:54,531 --> 00:26:56,992
Finally, I went to the Lincoln Garden…
407
00:26:59,369 --> 00:27:00,621
and played that music.
408
00:27:01,413 --> 00:27:06,543
I was so happy I did not know what to do.
I had hit the big time.
409
00:27:06,627 --> 00:27:08,754
I was up north with the greats.
410
00:27:08,837 --> 00:27:11,840
I was playing with my idol, the king.
411
00:27:11,924 --> 00:27:16,762
All of my boyhood dreams
had come true at last.
412
00:27:19,765 --> 00:27:23,644
All along, I'd been hearing
from all the musicians about Little Louis,
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00:27:23,727 --> 00:27:25,812
and what a good trumpet player
he was gonna be.
414
00:27:25,896 --> 00:27:29,316
So, when he brought Little Louis over
to Dreamland to meet me,
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00:27:29,399 --> 00:27:32,027
Little Louis was 226 pounds.
416
00:27:32,110 --> 00:27:33,820
So I said, "Little Louis?
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00:27:33,904 --> 00:27:36,532
How come you call him Little Louis
as big as he is?"
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00:27:36,615 --> 00:27:39,284
I wasn't impressed at all.
I was very disappointed.
419
00:27:39,368 --> 00:27:42,829
I probably would have never
paid any attention to Louis's playing
420
00:27:42,913 --> 00:27:45,415
if King Oliver hadn't said to me one night
421
00:27:46,041 --> 00:27:48,126
that Louis could play better
than he could.
422
00:27:48,877 --> 00:27:50,921
He says,
"But as long as I keep him with me,
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00:27:51,004 --> 00:27:54,424
he won't be able to get ahead of me.
I'll still be the king."
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00:27:54,508 --> 00:27:56,802
After he told me that,
I started listening.
425
00:27:56,885 --> 00:28:00,138
But when we got this recording date
in Richmond, Indiana, for Gennett,
426
00:28:00,222 --> 00:28:01,932
in trying to get the balance,
427
00:28:02,432 --> 00:28:04,643
Joe and Louis stood
right next to each other,
428
00:28:04,726 --> 00:28:05,936
as they always had,
429
00:28:06,019 --> 00:28:08,897
and you couldn't hear a note
that Joe was playing
430
00:28:08,981 --> 00:28:11,108
and only could hear Louis.
431
00:28:11,191 --> 00:28:13,026
So he said, "Well, I gotta do something."
432
00:28:13,110 --> 00:28:17,072
So they put Louis about 15 feet away,
over in the corner, from the band.
433
00:28:17,823 --> 00:28:21,785
And Louis was sitting in the co--
standing in the corner, looking so sad.
434
00:28:21,869 --> 00:28:24,705
You know, he thought it was bad for him
to have to be separated from the band.
435
00:28:24,788 --> 00:28:26,707
And so, I looked at him and smiled
436
00:28:26,790 --> 00:28:28,917
to reassure him
that he was all right, you know.
437
00:28:29,501 --> 00:28:30,961
And then I said to myself,
438
00:28:31,044 --> 00:28:36,842
"Now, if they have to put him
that far away in order to hear Joe,
439
00:28:36,925 --> 00:28:38,218
he's gotta be better."
440
00:28:38,302 --> 00:28:39,469
Then I was convinced.
441
00:28:43,932 --> 00:28:46,810
Then Louis and I started getting
to be sweethearts.
442
00:28:46,894 --> 00:28:48,687
Then we decided to get married.
443
00:28:49,563 --> 00:28:53,442
I told him, I said, "Now, I don't want
to be married to a second trumpet player."
444
00:28:53,525 --> 00:28:54,818
He says, "What are you talking about?"
445
00:28:54,902 --> 00:28:57,237
I said, "Well, I don't want
to be married to second trumpet.
446
00:28:57,321 --> 00:28:58,530
I want you to play first."
447
00:28:58,614 --> 00:29:00,782
He said, "Well, I can't play first.
Joe's playing first."
448
00:29:00,866 --> 00:29:02,534
I said, "Well, that's why you gotta quit."
449
00:29:02,618 --> 00:29:04,119
He said, "I can't quit Mr. Joe.
450
00:29:04,203 --> 00:29:06,580
Mr. Joe sent for me,
and I can't quit him."
451
00:29:06,663 --> 00:29:09,041
I said, "Well, it's Mr. Joe or me."
452
00:29:12,419 --> 00:29:16,131
I listened very carefully when Lil told me
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00:29:16,215 --> 00:29:18,634
to always play the lead.
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00:29:18,717 --> 00:29:21,803
He played 30
or 50 high notes, high C's,
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00:29:21,887 --> 00:29:23,847
on this one tune they were playing.
456
00:29:23,931 --> 00:29:27,309
And the next day, everybody on the street
was talking about it.
457
00:29:31,897 --> 00:29:34,107
People would come to two or three shows
458
00:29:34,191 --> 00:29:35,984
waiting for him to miss it one day.
459
00:29:36,068 --> 00:29:37,110
So, he said to me,
460
00:29:37,194 --> 00:29:39,404
"Do you know people are coming
to the show four or five times
461
00:29:39,488 --> 00:29:40,948
to hear me miss that F?"
462
00:29:41,031 --> 00:29:43,367
I said, "Yeah?
Well, make some G's at home."
463
00:29:43,992 --> 00:29:46,161
So, he started blowing around the house.
464
00:29:47,204 --> 00:29:49,039
I said, "Oh, my God. Why did I say that?"
465
00:29:52,626 --> 00:29:55,379
He never misses hitting
that high note, does he, folks?
466
00:29:55,462 --> 00:29:57,422
Armstrong extends the range of the horn,
467
00:29:57,506 --> 00:30:00,050
ending every show
with hundreds of high C's.
468
00:30:00,133 --> 00:30:03,929
Just from that, more and more musicians
start playing higher notes.
469
00:30:04,012 --> 00:30:06,932
He really perfects the art
of improvisation.
470
00:30:07,015 --> 00:30:08,517
He shows the world what it could be.
471
00:30:09,685 --> 00:30:11,854
Tommy Rockwell had heard him,
472
00:30:11,937 --> 00:30:17,359
so it was he who suggested
that he form an recording outfit.
473
00:30:17,442 --> 00:30:21,697
And as a result, it was called
Louis Armstrong's Hot Five.
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00:30:28,328 --> 00:30:29,872
Do that thing, Papa Dip.
475
00:30:30,581 --> 00:30:32,457
You didn't work in clubs with the--
476
00:30:32,541 --> 00:30:36,003
No, we never did think about
nothing like that.
477
00:30:36,086 --> 00:30:40,507
We just make up them things
and scat. Yeah.
478
00:30:40,591 --> 00:30:41,967
Wait. "Make up them things."
479
00:30:42,050 --> 00:30:43,468
-What do you mean?
-Make up those tunes.
480
00:30:43,552 --> 00:30:45,554
-Just in the studio?
-Yeah, sure.
481
00:30:45,637 --> 00:30:47,014
Say, don't you know it
482
00:30:49,141 --> 00:30:51,435
There's a rumor that you invented scat.
Is that true?
483
00:30:51,518 --> 00:30:56,064
Well, they claim
when we was recording "Heebie Jeebies,"
484
00:30:56,148 --> 00:30:58,150
we get down
to this part for the second chorus,
485
00:30:58,233 --> 00:30:59,526
and I drop the paper.
486
00:30:59,610 --> 00:31:02,237
President in the control booth, he says,
"Keep on singing."
487
00:31:02,321 --> 00:31:03,155
-See?
-Yeah.
488
00:31:03,238 --> 00:31:06,116
Well, that brought back memories
of when I was a kid,
489
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:07,659
going around in the quartet.
490
00:31:07,743 --> 00:31:09,912
You know, Rampart Street in New Orleans.
491
00:31:10,412 --> 00:31:12,748
Whenever we'd get to a part
we didn't know the words,
492
00:31:12,831 --> 00:31:15,667
we'd go to scatting
and blowing like a trumpet,
493
00:31:15,751 --> 00:31:16,752
or something like that.
494
00:31:16,835 --> 00:31:19,129
And it came to me just like that.
495
00:31:24,885 --> 00:31:27,095
When he's scatting,
the notes he's picking,
496
00:31:27,179 --> 00:31:29,389
and how sophisticated
the melodies he's creating--
497
00:31:29,473 --> 00:31:31,350
Louis Armstrong is never out of tune.
498
00:31:31,433 --> 00:31:34,019
He could do with his voice
what he could do with his horn.
499
00:31:34,102 --> 00:31:36,313
When people sang in those days,
500
00:31:36,396 --> 00:31:38,941
they often sang
in a very corny manner like…
501
00:31:39,024 --> 00:31:40,567
And I love you
502
00:31:41,068 --> 00:31:42,736
And you and me
503
00:31:42,819 --> 00:31:44,321
And the baby makes three
504
00:31:44,404 --> 00:31:45,948
Dinah
505
00:31:46,907 --> 00:31:49,493
Is there anyone finer
506
00:31:51,036 --> 00:31:53,372
In the state of Carolina?
507
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:58,794
If there is and you know her
Know her
508
00:31:58,877 --> 00:32:01,004
But Armstrong came in
with another kind of thing
509
00:32:01,088 --> 00:32:02,631
where he had that kind of…
510
00:32:04,550 --> 00:32:06,051
you know.
511
00:32:06,802 --> 00:32:08,554
Oh, Dinah
512
00:32:08,637 --> 00:32:11,890
Is there anyone finer
In the state of Carolina?
513
00:32:11,974 --> 00:32:14,601
If there is and you know
Show me
514
00:32:14,685 --> 00:32:16,854
Dinah
With her Dixie eyes blazin'
515
00:32:16,937 --> 00:32:18,605
How I love to sit and gaze
516
00:32:18,689 --> 00:32:20,524
Into the eyes of Dinah Lee
517
00:32:20,607 --> 00:32:21,984
Babe, every night
518
00:32:22,067 --> 00:32:23,861
When I shake with fright, oh
519
00:32:23,944 --> 00:32:25,946
'Cause my Dinah might
Change her mind
520
00:32:28,198 --> 00:32:31,243
Armstrong completely
changes the way people sing.
521
00:32:31,326 --> 00:32:33,912
I'm talking soul singing.
I'm talking Ray Charles.
522
00:32:33,996 --> 00:32:36,373
I'm talking Sam Cooke.
I'm talking James Brown.
523
00:32:36,456 --> 00:32:40,169
I'm talking hip-hop. I'm talking funk.
I'm talking pop music.
524
00:32:40,252 --> 00:32:42,254
I'm talking rock and roll.
I'm talking the Beatles.
525
00:32:42,337 --> 00:32:45,507
Anybody who has basically uttered a sound
526
00:32:45,591 --> 00:32:49,720
on American pop radio
in the last 90 years,
527
00:32:49,803 --> 00:32:52,431
it's because
of Louis Armstrong's innovations.
528
00:33:08,739 --> 00:33:10,449
I met Louis on records.
529
00:33:10,532 --> 00:33:13,535
That "West End Blues"
was a very, very moving experience,
530
00:33:13,619 --> 00:33:16,121
and it actually made a jazz fan out of me
531
00:33:16,205 --> 00:33:19,666
and ultimately found the direction
for my whole career,
532
00:33:19,750 --> 00:33:21,460
as it did for so many people.
533
00:33:22,127 --> 00:33:23,921
"West End Blues"
was a miniature masterpiece.
534
00:33:29,843 --> 00:33:34,264
I would say that
jazz almost stems from Louis Armstrong.
535
00:33:34,348 --> 00:33:35,849
People are accustomed to saying,
536
00:33:35,933 --> 00:33:38,393
and I've heard it said a lot,
that he was a genius.
537
00:33:38,477 --> 00:33:41,396
But very few people talk about
why he was a genius
538
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,608
and what it was
that his particular form of genius did.
539
00:33:49,613 --> 00:33:52,491
I could say now
that what he was really doing
540
00:33:53,033 --> 00:33:55,869
was playing music
for which there was no accounting
541
00:33:55,953 --> 00:33:57,829
in his immediate environment.
542
00:33:57,913 --> 00:34:01,625
Louis Armstrong is
the first important soloist
543
00:34:01,708 --> 00:34:06,380
because he is the first to break away
from Western harmony
544
00:34:07,172 --> 00:34:10,175
and to reintroduce the melodic
545
00:34:10,259 --> 00:34:13,929
and rhythmic developments
of African music.
546
00:34:19,976 --> 00:34:20,978
Stop it! Stop it!
547
00:34:21,061 --> 00:34:23,438
You are playing notes
between flat and natural.
548
00:34:23,522 --> 00:34:27,484
It's like discovering a secret scale
just made for this type of music.
549
00:34:27,568 --> 00:34:31,822
The so-called jazz scale is used
only melodically.
550
00:34:31,905 --> 00:34:33,156
That is, in the tune.
551
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:37,786
In the harmony underneath,
we still use our old unflatted notes
552
00:34:38,954 --> 00:34:41,415
against the flatted note in the tune.
553
00:34:41,498 --> 00:34:43,708
So that causes a dissonance to happen.
554
00:34:43,792 --> 00:34:45,668
Jazz pianists are always using
this dissonance.
555
00:34:45,752 --> 00:34:47,504
I'm sure it sounds familiar to you.
556
00:34:47,588 --> 00:34:49,505
And there's a reason for it.
557
00:34:49,590 --> 00:34:53,010
It's because they are looking for a note
that isn't actually there,
558
00:34:53,510 --> 00:34:56,054
but which lies somewhere between the two.
559
00:34:56,554 --> 00:34:58,307
This is called a quarter tone.
560
00:34:59,057 --> 00:35:03,604
The quarter tone comes to us from Africa,
which is, after all, the cradle of jazz
561
00:35:04,188 --> 00:35:06,857
and where quarter tones
are everyday stuff.
562
00:35:06,940 --> 00:35:08,734
Now, ladies and gentlemen,
563
00:35:08,817 --> 00:35:11,361
we gonna take a little trip
through the jungles this time,
564
00:35:11,862 --> 00:35:13,572
and we want y'all to travel with us.
565
00:35:14,198 --> 00:35:16,658
That tiger's running so fast.
566
00:35:16,742 --> 00:35:20,287
Gonna take a few choruses to catch him,
so I want y'all to count with me.
567
00:35:20,370 --> 00:35:21,371
Yes, sir.
568
00:35:21,455 --> 00:35:24,208
Because this son-of-a-trumpet
is gonna get away from you this time.
569
00:35:24,291 --> 00:35:26,251
Lay it out there, boys. I'm ready.
570
00:35:31,131 --> 00:35:34,593
At this time in his career,
Louis was having problems with managers,
571
00:35:34,676 --> 00:35:37,471
and, inevitably,
the gangsters took a hand in his affairs.
572
00:35:39,765 --> 00:35:41,767
There were certain interests in New York
573
00:35:41,850 --> 00:35:43,644
who thought the trumpet king
belonged there.
574
00:35:46,230 --> 00:35:51,818
The gangster which was the toughest man
in Chicago at that time, Frankie Foster,
575
00:35:51,902 --> 00:35:54,154
he said, "You know
you're going to New York tomorrow?"
576
00:35:54,238 --> 00:35:56,657
I told him,
"I didn't know nothing about that.
577
00:35:56,740 --> 00:35:58,242
Nobody told me nothing about it."
578
00:35:58,325 --> 00:36:00,244
I said, "Excuse me a minute.
I'm going back on the stand."
579
00:36:00,327 --> 00:36:01,954
He said,
"You're going to New York tomorrow."
580
00:36:02,037 --> 00:36:03,705
That's when he pulled that .45.
581
00:36:05,165 --> 00:36:08,001
I said,
"Well, maybe I am going to New York."
582
00:36:10,796 --> 00:36:13,757
The whole business end
of music at that time
583
00:36:13,841 --> 00:36:15,759
was controlled by white people.
584
00:36:15,843 --> 00:36:17,010
They were not all crooks.
585
00:36:17,094 --> 00:36:18,804
They were not all
manipulating Black people,
586
00:36:18,887 --> 00:36:20,806
but quite a few of them were.
587
00:36:20,889 --> 00:36:23,183
It was very difficult for a Black musician
588
00:36:23,267 --> 00:36:26,436
not to be very bitter
about the entire system at that time.
589
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:29,106
But Louis was one of those few,
rare people
590
00:36:29,189 --> 00:36:31,275
that never gave the impression
of being bitter,
591
00:36:31,358 --> 00:36:32,943
whether it was under the surface or not.
592
00:36:33,026 --> 00:36:36,989
Good evening, ladies and gentlemen.
I'm Mr. Armstrong.
593
00:36:37,781 --> 00:36:41,076
And we're gonna swing
one of the good old good ones for you.
594
00:36:41,159 --> 00:36:44,037
Beautiful number,
"I Cover the Waterfront."
595
00:36:44,121 --> 00:36:46,456
"I Cover the Waterfront," I like it.
596
00:36:48,625 --> 00:36:49,626
One, two.
597
00:37:16,153 --> 00:37:19,531
In 1932, first time I went to Europe.
598
00:37:20,616 --> 00:37:22,618
We used to travel by boats.
599
00:37:22,701 --> 00:37:24,995
Johnny Collins was my manager then.
600
00:37:25,495 --> 00:37:27,664
Didn't they give you
the name of Satchmo over here?
601
00:37:27,748 --> 00:37:29,416
Yeah. Given by Fuzzy Brooks.
602
00:37:29,917 --> 00:37:32,836
He was the editor
of the Melody Maker at that time.
603
00:37:33,629 --> 00:37:37,257
When I arrived in Plymouth,
England, on the ship,
604
00:37:37,341 --> 00:37:39,718
and then somebody's going up there,
"Hello, Satchmo."
605
00:37:40,260 --> 00:37:43,889
When I went all through Europe
and everything with different cats,
606
00:37:43,972 --> 00:37:46,433
you know, trying to be managing things,
607
00:37:46,517 --> 00:37:48,936
I said, "These are the people
I don't want to be bothered with.
608
00:37:49,019 --> 00:37:51,522
They're doing everything
but protecting their trumpet."
609
00:37:51,605 --> 00:37:53,273
See, I had a manager who would--
610
00:37:53,357 --> 00:37:55,776
who would grab all the money
out the box office.
611
00:37:55,859 --> 00:37:57,653
You know, that frantic stuff, you know.
612
00:37:57,736 --> 00:37:59,613
I say, "Well, that ain't what I wanna do."
613
00:37:59,696 --> 00:38:02,866
Around about that time
that Louis Armstrong found out
614
00:38:02,950 --> 00:38:08,997
that his managing director, Mr. Collins,
was making £20,000 a week for him,
615
00:38:09,081 --> 00:38:13,252
and Louis was getting,
say, about £100 a week.
616
00:38:13,335 --> 00:38:16,129
And he asked for more money,
617
00:38:16,213 --> 00:38:20,342
and Mr. Collins,
he used some beautiful adjectives.
618
00:38:20,425 --> 00:38:23,887
I said, "Listen, cocksucker,
you might be my manager
619
00:38:23,971 --> 00:38:25,806
and you might be the biggest shit,
620
00:38:26,306 --> 00:38:29,142
and book me
in the biggest places in the world,
621
00:38:29,226 --> 00:38:32,229
but when I get out on that fucking stage
with that horn and get in trouble,
622
00:38:32,312 --> 00:38:33,480
you can't save me."
623
00:38:33,564 --> 00:38:35,774
He said, "Take that nigger off the boat."
624
00:38:35,858 --> 00:38:38,235
Got to brawling, goddamn it.
625
00:38:38,318 --> 00:38:39,653
Shit.
626
00:38:41,530 --> 00:38:43,532
They gonna have this shit under control.
627
00:38:44,283 --> 00:38:46,159
And there's a big bottle of wine.
628
00:38:46,243 --> 00:38:47,786
All I had to do was take it like that.
629
00:38:47,870 --> 00:38:50,205
And the bald-headed motherfucker
had his head down.
630
00:38:50,289 --> 00:38:54,626
And said, "I gotta just tap it
like a pansy and kill the motherfucker."
631
00:38:55,377 --> 00:38:57,129
See, but the first thing I thought,
632
00:38:57,212 --> 00:38:59,131
all of them Black cocksuckers in Harlem
who'd say,
633
00:38:59,214 --> 00:39:01,425
"I knew he would blow his top someday."
634
00:39:01,508 --> 00:39:03,844
I don't know why…
"Fuck it. I got this shit."
635
00:39:03,927 --> 00:39:05,929
"Go on and eat your meal, man."
636
00:39:06,013 --> 00:39:08,182
Not that I hadn't been called
a nigger before.
637
00:39:08,682 --> 00:39:10,559
He fired Collins. He got rid of him.
638
00:39:10,642 --> 00:39:12,144
But Collins had a contract on him.
639
00:39:12,227 --> 00:39:15,189
So, Louis remembered
that he had worked for Joe Glaser,
640
00:39:15,272 --> 00:39:18,901
and that Joe Glaser was tied in with some
pretty rough boys around Chicago.
641
00:39:18,984 --> 00:39:23,071
So Louis got in touch with Joe,
and he told Joe, he said,
642
00:39:23,155 --> 00:39:25,699
"I'm having a lot of trouble
with this guy managing me."
643
00:39:25,782 --> 00:39:26,950
He said, "I'm kind of scared."
644
00:39:27,034 --> 00:39:29,161
He said, "I don't know
what he's gonna try to do to me."
645
00:39:29,244 --> 00:39:32,164
He says, "But I want you for my manager."
646
00:39:34,583 --> 00:39:37,794
The toughest guy
in the honky-tonk that runs the gambling,
647
00:39:37,878 --> 00:39:40,005
he knew I was getting ready
to come up north,
648
00:39:40,506 --> 00:39:42,549
and this is the pep talk he gave me.
649
00:39:42,633 --> 00:39:46,637
He said, "Look here, son.
I like the way you blow that quail."
650
00:39:47,221 --> 00:39:48,263
Talking about my cornet.
651
00:39:48,347 --> 00:39:50,349
I knew what he was talking about.
I said, "Yeah."
652
00:39:50,432 --> 00:39:52,809
He said, "Now, you go up north
653
00:39:53,685 --> 00:39:59,274
and always have a white man behind you
to say, 'That's my nigger.'"
654
00:39:59,358 --> 00:40:01,443
And that's the way he put it to me.
655
00:40:01,527 --> 00:40:03,570
Now, you can figure that out yourself.
656
00:40:04,404 --> 00:40:05,656
That was the talk.
657
00:40:06,156 --> 00:40:09,243
And Joe Glaser came right in the scene.
658
00:40:09,910 --> 00:40:11,662
-What did the--
-We were just like that.
659
00:40:11,745 --> 00:40:17,000
Because he knew I wanted to blow my horn,
and he saw to that.
660
00:40:17,084 --> 00:40:18,377
I said, "This is my man."
661
00:40:18,460 --> 00:40:20,546
I said,
"You tend to business, Daddy Glaser.
662
00:40:20,629 --> 00:40:22,798
And I'll blow the horn.
And that's where it is."
663
00:40:22,881 --> 00:40:25,217
And it's been over twenty-some years
664
00:40:25,801 --> 00:40:27,970
and we ain't even signed a contract.
665
00:40:29,346 --> 00:40:30,722
Joe Glaser's a nigga.
666
00:40:31,682 --> 00:40:33,809
Joe Glaser loves Negroes.
667
00:40:33,892 --> 00:40:35,394
He was raised with niggas.
668
00:40:35,477 --> 00:40:38,647
-He went to school with them.
-That's right. That's right.
669
00:40:38,730 --> 00:40:42,484
You know, I always felt
there was a weird relationship
670
00:40:42,568 --> 00:40:44,778
between Joe Glaser and Louis.
671
00:40:44,862 --> 00:40:47,155
And I felt Louis was exploited.
672
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:49,992
Louis believes that he never would've
made it without Joe Glaser.
673
00:40:50,075 --> 00:40:51,326
I think he wouldn't have.
674
00:40:51,410 --> 00:40:54,037
-That's possible?
-Quite possible.
675
00:40:54,121 --> 00:40:57,082
You got to have good management.
I don't care how great you are.
676
00:40:57,165 --> 00:41:01,753
Good management goes
hand in hand with success and talent.
677
00:41:01,837 --> 00:41:04,047
He never wanted anything
to do with business, right?
678
00:41:04,131 --> 00:41:06,592
He never even hired the guys in his band.
679
00:41:06,675 --> 00:41:09,178
He just wanted to concentrate
on that horn.
680
00:41:23,775 --> 00:41:25,694
Glaser--
On the strength of being with Louis--
681
00:41:25,777 --> 00:41:27,196
Louis used to tell us stories
682
00:41:27,279 --> 00:41:29,865
about they used to ride the bus
down South with Glaser,
683
00:41:29,948 --> 00:41:32,659
and Glaser didn't-- None of them
hardly had enough to eat with.
684
00:41:32,743 --> 00:41:36,121
But on the strength of that,
Louis started getting real popular.
685
00:41:36,205 --> 00:41:39,082
Glaser started getting good PR for Louis.
686
00:41:42,461 --> 00:41:47,341
By 1935, there were probably
some who hadn't heard of Louis Armstrong,
687
00:41:47,424 --> 00:41:50,135
and perhaps even those few
were erased that year
688
00:41:50,219 --> 00:41:52,721
when he recorded "La Cucaracha,"
689
00:41:52,804 --> 00:41:55,641
"Red Sails in the Sunset,"
"On Treasure Island."
690
00:41:57,142 --> 00:41:58,727
In the summer of 1936,
691
00:41:58,810 --> 00:42:01,355
he said to me, "We're going on a tour
of one-night stands.
692
00:42:01,438 --> 00:42:05,150
Why don't you ride along in the bus
so you can see what it's like?"
693
00:42:05,234 --> 00:42:08,862
It was a very exhausting trip
for musicians in those days.
694
00:42:08,946 --> 00:42:11,281
There were no air-conditioned buses
at that time.
695
00:42:11,365 --> 00:42:13,158
Now, we've traveled 800 miles.
696
00:42:13,242 --> 00:42:15,702
You know, you get up,
you can't hardly stand up.
697
00:42:15,786 --> 00:42:19,039
You'd think he would take it easy
the first few sets or something like that.
698
00:42:19,122 --> 00:42:23,043
No, you'd get in there
and that first number, boy.
699
00:42:23,126 --> 00:42:24,461
Pow, pow, pow.
700
00:42:24,545 --> 00:42:26,922
There was no letup.
He was there to entertain the people.
701
00:42:27,005 --> 00:42:29,216
And believe me,
that's what he believed in.
702
00:42:29,716 --> 00:42:33,053
No other leader I know would've
put up with what he had to go through.
703
00:42:33,136 --> 00:42:36,139
Louis became attached to laxatives.
704
00:42:36,223 --> 00:42:38,559
When you traveled
on the band bus with him,
705
00:42:38,642 --> 00:42:42,229
and you didn't know too much
about laxatives,
706
00:42:42,855 --> 00:42:46,942
he would find a way for you
to imbibe some of it.
707
00:42:47,025 --> 00:42:51,363
When I first got to know him,
it was Pluto Water.
708
00:42:51,446 --> 00:42:55,993
But then come Swiss Kriss,
which he really got to like.
709
00:42:56,827 --> 00:42:59,746
Enjoy the fun of eager living.
710
00:43:00,247 --> 00:43:05,419
That radiant, refreshed feeling
that comes from everyday regularity.
711
00:43:05,502 --> 00:43:11,717
Don't think for once that Swiss Kriss
wasn't in the rudimentals of my life.
712
00:43:14,428 --> 00:43:16,096
But I always did believe in herbs.
713
00:43:16,180 --> 00:43:18,265
-My mother always--
-Believed in?
714
00:43:18,348 --> 00:43:19,349
-Herbs.
-Herbs.
715
00:43:19,433 --> 00:43:22,186
How do you say it? "Herbs"? "Erbs"?
716
00:43:22,269 --> 00:43:24,146
No, I say, "Hoibs."
717
00:43:24,229 --> 00:43:25,689
Well. Okay.
718
00:43:25,772 --> 00:43:26,857
-Well, I'll say "herbs."
-Herbs.
719
00:43:26,940 --> 00:43:28,775
-You know what I'm talking about.
-Herbs. Right.
720
00:43:28,859 --> 00:43:30,777
-They make you trot.
-Pardon?
721
00:43:30,861 --> 00:43:32,237
Anyway.
722
00:43:32,321 --> 00:43:35,282
Have some
and just leave it all behind you, daddy.
723
00:43:36,950 --> 00:43:39,620
He believed that the laxatives
724
00:43:39,703 --> 00:43:43,540
were of primary, significance
to your health.
725
00:43:44,291 --> 00:43:45,751
His doctor traveled with him.
726
00:43:45,834 --> 00:43:49,171
Dr. Schiff told us,
"Don't try to emulate this guy at home
727
00:43:49,254 --> 00:43:52,883
because you'd die, probably tomorrow."
728
00:43:52,966 --> 00:43:56,970
Louis was perhaps the strongest guy
I ever worked around
729
00:43:57,054 --> 00:44:00,807
because he didn't try
to live carefully or anything like this.
730
00:44:00,891 --> 00:44:03,977
He lived the way he wanted to live,
and to heck with it.
731
00:44:04,061 --> 00:44:05,479
That's how he lived, you know.
732
00:44:09,775 --> 00:44:11,443
At five o'clock in the morning,
733
00:44:11,527 --> 00:44:13,403
Louis Armstrong had to be rushed
to the hospital.
734
00:44:15,197 --> 00:44:19,743
Louis had a case history
of a bad heart for a long time.
735
00:44:19,826 --> 00:44:22,120
We did a thing over in Spoleto, Italy,
736
00:44:23,121 --> 00:44:25,666
and he had a pretty bad heart attack
over there.
737
00:44:26,583 --> 00:44:28,794
In Spoleto, Italy,
738
00:44:29,378 --> 00:44:32,840
they sent to Rome
to get this special nurse in.
739
00:44:32,923 --> 00:44:34,132
She was here fast.
740
00:44:34,716 --> 00:44:36,593
Oh, yeah. She was good-looking too.
741
00:44:36,677 --> 00:44:39,263
Well, I ain't went with that.
I'm trying to get well now.
742
00:44:40,430 --> 00:44:43,350
When she said, "Uh-huh, Satchmo, eh?"
743
00:44:43,433 --> 00:44:46,478
-She come with this thermometer, you know?
-Uh-huh.
744
00:44:47,062 --> 00:44:48,730
I said, "What you gonna do with that?"
745
00:44:48,814 --> 00:44:50,065
She said…
746
00:44:50,148 --> 00:44:51,441
And this thermometer…
747
00:44:51,525 --> 00:44:52,818
I said, "Okay. Ah."
748
00:44:52,901 --> 00:44:53,986
"Ah, what?"
749
00:44:55,404 --> 00:44:57,739
Like, "Y'all trying to kill me."
750
00:44:58,782 --> 00:45:01,577
Now here is one of the miracles
of show business,
751
00:45:01,660 --> 00:45:06,456
because when Louis Armstrong
was with us in Spoleto, Italy,
752
00:45:06,540 --> 00:45:09,126
certainly Bob Precht and I
never thought to see him alive again
753
00:45:09,209 --> 00:45:12,421
because, as you know,
he was desperately sick over there.
754
00:45:12,504 --> 00:45:17,301
On the verge of dying, recovered
and is now back playing his horn.
755
00:45:17,801 --> 00:45:22,639
Nah, I ain't gonna give nobody
None of my jelly roll
756
00:45:24,933 --> 00:45:28,562
Give you none of it
To save your soul
757
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:44,870
Ain't gonna give nobody
None of my jelly roll, jelly roll
758
00:45:47,915 --> 00:45:51,001
You see, the other day
I met a man from Zanzibar
759
00:45:52,127 --> 00:45:56,006
who was telling me quite a lot
about racial prejudice.
760
00:45:56,089 --> 00:45:58,383
-Where?
-In East Africa.
761
00:45:58,884 --> 00:46:00,844
What, Africa?
You get it all over the world.
762
00:46:00,928 --> 00:46:02,721
Right here, you get prejudice.
Are you kidding?
763
00:46:03,931 --> 00:46:05,933
-They were--
-All over the world.
764
00:46:06,016 --> 00:46:07,726
-Not only in Africa.
-Many places.
765
00:46:07,809 --> 00:46:09,770
-Right here, you get prejudice.
-Here?
766
00:46:09,853 --> 00:46:11,522
Yeah, everywhere.
767
00:46:11,605 --> 00:46:14,942
-How is it here?
-Well, essence of it all over.
768
00:46:15,651 --> 00:46:17,778
Have you any examples of it here?
769
00:46:17,861 --> 00:46:19,947
Well, you can see a whole lot of example--
770
00:46:20,030 --> 00:46:22,282
I can go out there right now,
within an hour's time
771
00:46:22,366 --> 00:46:25,661
and see five situations
where there's race prejudice.
772
00:46:26,870 --> 00:46:29,039
The discrimination was unbelievable.
773
00:46:29,122 --> 00:46:32,084
I think you had to be part of it,
774
00:46:32,167 --> 00:46:33,669
or to be very close to it,
775
00:46:33,752 --> 00:46:37,339
to get any idea of what it was like
to be Black in those days.
776
00:46:37,422 --> 00:46:39,174
It seemed, on the surface,
777
00:46:39,258 --> 00:46:43,720
that a lot of Black musicians
and Black people were accepting it
778
00:46:43,804 --> 00:46:46,390
or were trying to live with it
as best they could.
779
00:46:46,473 --> 00:46:50,644
But the resentment, you know,
understandably, was tremendous.
780
00:46:51,144 --> 00:46:53,564
And the conditions for living--
781
00:46:53,647 --> 00:46:57,025
I mean, just for finding a place
to stay overnight, you know,
782
00:46:57,609 --> 00:46:59,736
finding a place
to go get something to eat--
783
00:46:59,820 --> 00:47:03,115
Everything presented its difficulties
because everything was segregated.
784
00:47:03,198 --> 00:47:05,033
And I'm talking about even in New York.
785
00:47:05,117 --> 00:47:09,162
But it was tragic, what you had to go
with this discrimination.
786
00:47:09,246 --> 00:47:10,789
And you had to be tough.
787
00:47:10,873 --> 00:47:13,292
'Cause discrimination,
in a sneaky sort of way,
788
00:47:13,375 --> 00:47:17,171
killed a whole lot of musicians
because they couldn't understand the code.
789
00:47:19,173 --> 00:47:23,886
"Do you know I played 99 million hotels
I couldn't stay at?
790
00:47:23,969 --> 00:47:27,347
When I was coming along,
a Black man had hell.
791
00:47:28,056 --> 00:47:32,895
On the road, he couldn't find
no place to eat, sleep, or use the toilet.
792
00:47:33,395 --> 00:47:37,191
Service station cats see a bus
of colored bandsmen drive up,
793
00:47:37,274 --> 00:47:39,651
and they would sprint to lock
their restroom doors.
794
00:47:40,861 --> 00:47:42,821
One time in Dallas, Texas,
795
00:47:42,905 --> 00:47:46,617
some ofay stops me as I enter
this hotel where I'm blowing the show--
796
00:47:46,700 --> 00:47:49,203
me in a goddamn tuxedo, now--
797
00:47:49,286 --> 00:47:52,331
and tells me I gotta come around
to the back door."
798
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:57,419
In Memphis, at the bus station,
799
00:47:57,503 --> 00:48:00,339
they claimed that the bus
needed some work done on it
800
00:48:00,422 --> 00:48:02,508
and they were gonna take it back
to have it overhauled.
801
00:48:02,591 --> 00:48:06,053
At that particular time,
all the guys in Louis's band were young
802
00:48:06,136 --> 00:48:08,931
and just about as obstinate
a bunch of people
803
00:48:09,014 --> 00:48:11,642
as you ever met in your life
if they thought they were right.
804
00:48:11,725 --> 00:48:13,727
When nobody would give up the bus,
805
00:48:13,810 --> 00:48:17,940
then they sent for the police
and arrested us for inciting a riot.
806
00:48:18,023 --> 00:48:20,776
With the intention of burning up
all of our baggage and everything,
807
00:48:20,859 --> 00:48:22,277
luggage and everything,
808
00:48:22,361 --> 00:48:24,154
and putting us in the hoosegow,
which they did.
809
00:48:24,238 --> 00:48:26,073
They arrested us all.
810
00:48:26,156 --> 00:48:29,284
He was playing in Los Angeles
one time. I don't remember where.
811
00:48:29,368 --> 00:48:33,580
And I, along with some other friends,
drove out to hear him play.
812
00:48:34,081 --> 00:48:37,292
And we got to this place,
we were put-- given a table,
813
00:48:37,376 --> 00:48:38,752
and Louis saw me.
814
00:48:38,836 --> 00:48:40,671
He was in the middle of a radio broadcast.
815
00:48:40,754 --> 00:48:42,798
And then the broadcast was over,
816
00:48:42,881 --> 00:48:44,758
and he disappeared in back.
817
00:48:44,842 --> 00:48:45,968
And I waited.
818
00:48:46,510 --> 00:48:49,012
I thought he'd come over and have a drink,
819
00:48:49,096 --> 00:48:51,098
or a Coca-Cola or a cup of coffee
or something.
820
00:48:51,181 --> 00:48:53,725
And he never showed up.
I waited about ten minutes.
821
00:48:53,809 --> 00:48:56,395
And finally, I thought,
"Well, what's wrong?" I went backstage.
822
00:48:56,478 --> 00:48:58,772
He was back there
with his little typewriter.
823
00:48:58,856 --> 00:49:00,899
He was always writing
these marvelous letters he wrote.
824
00:49:00,983 --> 00:49:03,610
And I said, "Hi, Pops."
He said, "Hey, Artie. How you been?"
825
00:49:03,694 --> 00:49:06,238
I said, "I thought
I understood you to indicate
826
00:49:06,321 --> 00:49:07,739
that you'd come over to the table."
827
00:49:07,823 --> 00:49:09,950
He looked at me. He said,
"Man, I can't come to your table."
828
00:49:10,033 --> 00:49:12,536
And I said, "Why?"
He said, "Oh, they don't allow me to sit--
829
00:49:12,619 --> 00:49:14,663
Well, I can't sit
at the tables out there."
830
00:49:15,247 --> 00:49:17,249
Well, I looked at him
in total astonishment.
831
00:49:17,332 --> 00:49:21,170
My first reaction was, "Well, why the hell
are you playing these places?"
832
00:49:21,253 --> 00:49:24,715
My next reaction was the practical one of,
you play where you gotta play.
833
00:49:25,215 --> 00:49:28,552
And Louis was not in
a what we now call civil rights fight.
834
00:49:28,635 --> 00:49:32,723
Louis was in a--
in an individual fight to survive.
835
00:49:32,806 --> 00:49:36,351
I guess his own inner dignity
was able to make him prevail
836
00:49:36,435 --> 00:49:39,313
over all these awful conditions
he must have worked with.
837
00:49:40,314 --> 00:49:42,816
"As time went on and I made a reputation,
838
00:49:43,483 --> 00:49:45,152
I had to put it in my contracts
839
00:49:45,235 --> 00:49:48,071
that I would not play no place
I couldn't stay at.
840
00:49:48,572 --> 00:49:54,036
I was the first Negro in the business
to crack them big, white hotels.
841
00:49:54,119 --> 00:49:56,663
Oh, yeah. I pioneered, Pops."
842
00:50:02,669 --> 00:50:05,547
People got tired of that situation,
843
00:50:05,631 --> 00:50:10,010
you know, that--
the separate this and the separate that.
844
00:50:10,093 --> 00:50:13,096
If a man is able and capable enough
845
00:50:13,889 --> 00:50:19,019
and could put the things together,
what a leader wants, he's--
846
00:50:19,102 --> 00:50:21,396
and he wants to hire 'em, he'd hire 'em.
847
00:50:25,150 --> 00:50:29,238
Old rockin' chair's got me
848
00:50:29,321 --> 00:50:31,573
Old rockin' chair got you, father
849
00:50:31,657 --> 00:50:34,076
What a marvelous,
democratic thing music is.
850
00:50:34,159 --> 00:50:36,203
That's right. We went everywhere together.
851
00:50:36,286 --> 00:50:39,665
And we never had a hard word or nothing.
852
00:50:39,748 --> 00:50:41,875
We didn't worry about, you know, color.
853
00:50:41,959 --> 00:50:43,919
…gin, son
854
00:50:44,002 --> 00:50:47,381
You know you don't drink gin, father
855
00:50:47,464 --> 00:50:50,300
I mean, in the early days, we did this.
856
00:50:50,384 --> 00:50:52,135
When those things wasn't happening,
857
00:50:52,219 --> 00:50:55,806
Jack and I was
busting those down barriers.
858
00:50:56,390 --> 00:50:59,351
Hitting the South there,
and just going all over.
859
00:51:00,519 --> 00:51:02,688
Some guy asked me,
860
00:51:02,771 --> 00:51:04,773
he said,
"Man, you're gonna take Jack Teagarden?"
861
00:51:04,857 --> 00:51:07,609
I said "Now, who am I to tell a white man
he can't go down South?"
862
00:51:09,152 --> 00:51:12,614
And it's all through New Orleans, Texas…
863
00:51:14,157 --> 00:51:16,368
I guess, more than all of the laws,
864
00:51:16,451 --> 00:51:21,081
music has had more to do with better
race relations through the years.
865
00:51:21,164 --> 00:51:23,125
-Hasn't it, Pops?
-It's done a lot.
866
00:51:23,208 --> 00:51:26,503
You remember that white boy,
he's a sailor or something,
867
00:51:27,004 --> 00:51:29,798
On one of these battleships
at Pearl Harbor?
868
00:51:30,299 --> 00:51:31,884
And he caught my show.
869
00:51:31,967 --> 00:51:35,596
And come to find out,
he has damn near every record I made
870
00:51:35,679 --> 00:51:38,557
from childhood, even his parents.
871
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:41,852
But still and all, he expressed himself.
872
00:51:41,935 --> 00:51:45,480
He come up, and he shook my hand
after the whole show was over, didn't he?
873
00:51:46,064 --> 00:51:50,235
And he said,
"You know, I don't like Negroes."
874
00:51:50,319 --> 00:51:53,530
Right to my fucking face,
that motherfucker told me.
875
00:51:53,614 --> 00:51:57,492
And so I said,
"Well, I admire your goddamn sincerity."
876
00:51:58,327 --> 00:52:00,078
He said, "I don't like Negroes,
877
00:52:00,162 --> 00:52:02,331
but you one son of a bitch
I'm crazy about, baby."
878
00:52:02,414 --> 00:52:03,415
Didn't he?
879
00:52:03,498 --> 00:52:06,084
There, now,
you take the majority of white people.
880
00:52:06,168 --> 00:52:09,796
There's two-thirds of them
don't like niggers.
881
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:15,260
But they always got one nigger
that they just crazy about, goddamn it.
882
00:52:17,054 --> 00:52:18,055
Ain't that a bitch?
883
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:25,687
Pops, he faced a lot of challenges,
884
00:52:25,771 --> 00:52:28,649
and he always faced them with style
885
00:52:28,732 --> 00:52:32,778
and maintained his sanity and his joy
and his embrace of life.
886
00:52:32,861 --> 00:52:36,823
And it was not a simpleminded happiness.
It was a transcendent joy.
887
00:52:40,494 --> 00:52:44,331
He had a blessing inside of him
that he was acutely aware of.
888
00:52:46,124 --> 00:52:50,212
I remember when I was
a neighbor of Louis Armstrong.
889
00:52:50,754 --> 00:52:54,466
We lived within one block of one another
890
00:52:54,550 --> 00:52:58,095
in Corona, Queens, New York, for 15 years.
891
00:52:58,178 --> 00:53:00,681
I went over to his house
to wish him a happy birthday…
892
00:53:02,975 --> 00:53:04,977
and to bring him a little present.
893
00:53:05,060 --> 00:53:11,567
And I wound up getting a present myself
and also a present for my wife, Lorraine.
894
00:53:12,651 --> 00:53:14,403
If you had a hard-luck story
895
00:53:14,486 --> 00:53:17,197
and you needed something,
and you came to Louis, you got it.
896
00:53:17,281 --> 00:53:18,407
This is a throwback.
897
00:53:18,490 --> 00:53:21,743
It's been instilled in him
in the old days of-- in New Orleans,
898
00:53:21,827 --> 00:53:23,161
when Louis was a youth coming up.
899
00:53:23,245 --> 00:53:25,038
It was a way of life down there.
900
00:53:25,122 --> 00:53:26,456
They were all poor,
901
00:53:26,957 --> 00:53:29,209
and the one that had a little more
than the other
902
00:53:29,793 --> 00:53:32,754
saw to it that the one that has less
had a little bit.
903
00:53:32,838 --> 00:53:34,214
So he never outgrew it.
904
00:53:34,298 --> 00:53:36,133
He liked to get to know the people.
905
00:53:36,216 --> 00:53:38,760
That's where it was at with Louis,
and I think everyone knows that.
906
00:53:38,844 --> 00:53:41,805
You can see Louis--
see that in all the years
907
00:53:42,389 --> 00:53:44,433
and with all of the success
that Louis has had,
908
00:53:45,142 --> 00:53:48,520
Louis still remained the man
in the street himself.
909
00:53:50,814 --> 00:53:53,859
Royal Theatre
was in a poor Negro neighborhood.
910
00:53:54,484 --> 00:53:56,570
Real poor people, I'm telling you.
911
00:53:57,196 --> 00:53:59,323
Until we arrived in town,
912
00:53:59,406 --> 00:54:02,951
it was actually colder--
913
00:54:03,035 --> 00:54:08,415
I'm telling you, it was colder than
a well digger's-- Well, you know the rest.
914
00:54:08,498 --> 00:54:14,379
And when I heard about those poor people
who couldn't afford to buy hard coal,
915
00:54:14,463 --> 00:54:16,006
I bought it for them.
916
00:54:16,507 --> 00:54:20,677
I went to the coal yard,
ordered a ton of coal,
917
00:54:20,761 --> 00:54:25,224
and had the company to deliver it
to the lobby of the Royal Theatre.
918
00:54:25,974 --> 00:54:31,271
And had all the folks who needed coal
to help themselves,
919
00:54:31,355 --> 00:54:33,315
which made them very happy.
920
00:54:33,398 --> 00:54:38,070
Of course, it all made me
stick out my chest with pride.
921
00:54:39,404 --> 00:54:43,033
To be in his presence,
to see the power that he had--
922
00:54:43,116 --> 00:54:44,660
See, you'd go in his dressing room,
923
00:54:44,743 --> 00:54:49,081
he'd be sitting up, in his underwear,
with a towel around his lap
924
00:54:49,164 --> 00:54:52,918
and one around his shoulders
and had a white handkerchief on his head.
925
00:54:53,001 --> 00:54:56,129
And he put that grease around his lips.
926
00:54:56,213 --> 00:54:58,465
Looked like a minstrel man,
you know, with the white.
927
00:54:58,549 --> 00:55:01,134
And laughing. Natural, see, the way he is.
928
00:55:01,218 --> 00:55:05,931
And in the room,
you'll see maybe two nuns, a streetwalker.
929
00:55:06,014 --> 00:55:09,184
You see maybe a guy
that's come out of penitentiary.
930
00:55:09,268 --> 00:55:11,645
You see a rabbi. You see a priest.
931
00:55:12,271 --> 00:55:16,275
All of the different levels
of society in a dressing room.
932
00:55:16,358 --> 00:55:18,110
And he's talking to all of 'em.
933
00:55:20,362 --> 00:55:21,822
I'd like you to meet my son.
934
00:55:21,905 --> 00:55:24,992
First time we see important-looking whites
935
00:55:25,075 --> 00:55:29,329
be so,
like putty in the presence of a figure
936
00:55:29,413 --> 00:55:33,458
who had opened up the world of music
to new heights, you know?
937
00:55:35,085 --> 00:55:36,962
Now you know I don't lie much
938
00:55:45,721 --> 00:55:49,933
Fellas she can't get
The fellas she ain't met
939
00:55:53,562 --> 00:55:56,231
Louis,
you had, obviously, a very eventful life.
940
00:55:56,315 --> 00:55:58,525
Ever since I've known you,
they've been making a film on you.
941
00:55:58,609 --> 00:56:01,236
They make
a whole lot of films now. You know?
942
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:03,989
Well, now I hear
they're finally gonna do a film on you.
943
00:56:04,072 --> 00:56:06,408
Yeah.
Glad they can't come up to me and say,
944
00:56:06,491 --> 00:56:09,453
"You must be a movie star.
I can tell by the film on your teeth."
945
00:56:12,206 --> 00:56:14,416
"Hollywood fascinates me.
946
00:56:14,499 --> 00:56:17,336
Everywhere I go,
there's a warm greeting for me.
947
00:56:17,419 --> 00:56:22,633
But you still have some small-minded
prop men, carpenters, callboys.
948
00:56:22,716 --> 00:56:26,970
One of the moments that dragged me
the most happened in 1952
949
00:56:27,554 --> 00:56:29,473
during the making of Glory Alley."
950
00:56:34,269 --> 00:56:39,107
Glory Alley, Glory Alley
951
00:56:39,900 --> 00:56:44,738
Hear that trumpet moan in Glory Alley
952
00:56:45,364 --> 00:56:48,116
And this ofay,
he wasn't nothing but a callboy.
953
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:53,247
He called,
the extras and different things.
954
00:56:53,330 --> 00:56:55,040
Then he'll come
to the stars' dressing room,
955
00:56:55,123 --> 00:56:57,000
let them know when they want
them for the camera.
956
00:56:57,084 --> 00:56:59,461
And he was hanging around
on the set all the time.
957
00:56:59,545 --> 00:57:00,796
-You know what I mean?
-Yeah.
958
00:57:00,879 --> 00:57:02,756
So now, he'll come up,
959
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:06,009
"Mr. Gilbert Roland, Ms. Caron,"
and everything.
960
00:57:06,093 --> 00:57:09,012
And then he'll come to my dressing room
with a whole lot of bullshit.
961
00:57:09,096 --> 00:57:10,931
"Satchmo, you better come on out there,
962
00:57:11,014 --> 00:57:14,184
or they'll send in Harry James."
963
00:57:14,268 --> 00:57:15,978
I said, "Listen, you cocksucker.
964
00:57:16,061 --> 00:57:18,438
If they wanted Harry James,
they'd have had him in front."
965
00:57:18,522 --> 00:57:21,233
I said, "The first place, he ain't
gonna play what I played out there."
966
00:57:21,316 --> 00:57:23,193
He said, "Why?" I said, "'Cause he can't."
967
00:57:23,277 --> 00:57:25,946
Just had to be a nasty
son of a bitch with him.
968
00:57:26,029 --> 00:57:30,033
And I said, "You take it-- You tell MGM
to shove that picture up their ass."
969
00:57:30,117 --> 00:57:31,410
Then he left me alone.
970
00:57:31,493 --> 00:57:33,537
I said, "I don't--
I ain't a movie star nohow."
971
00:57:33,620 --> 00:57:36,290
I said, "Why you hand me that shit?
'Cause I'm colored?"
972
00:57:36,373 --> 00:57:39,793
I didn't appreciate it. I'm just showing
you what I go through for no reason.
973
00:57:39,877 --> 00:57:43,380
You take the smallest fucking peckerwood,
974
00:57:43,463 --> 00:57:45,924
hand you that shit,
and the big bosses appreciate you.
975
00:57:46,008 --> 00:57:47,843
He made as many as 30 films.
976
00:57:47,926 --> 00:57:52,264
The Glenn Miller Story, the way he's cast
in that is very positive.
977
00:57:52,347 --> 00:57:56,852
Yes, Basin Street is the street
978
00:57:58,437 --> 00:58:00,898
Where the folks really meet
979
00:58:01,565 --> 00:58:02,566
Who is he?
980
00:58:03,442 --> 00:58:05,986
Who? Louis Armstrong.
981
00:58:06,069 --> 00:58:11,450
A Song Was Born,
what Louis does there is just performing.
982
00:58:12,951 --> 00:58:16,205
They took a reet jungle beat
Brought it to Basin Street
983
00:58:16,288 --> 00:58:19,041
And that's how jazz was born
984
00:58:19,124 --> 00:58:22,127
In High Society, he is Louis Armstrong.
985
00:58:28,133 --> 00:58:30,886
Hello, Dolly!
Of course, it's the last one.
986
00:58:30,969 --> 00:58:34,556
-Well, hello, Dolly
-Look who's here.
987
00:58:35,307 --> 00:58:38,143
-This is Louis, Dolly
-Hello, Louis.
988
00:58:38,769 --> 00:58:41,605
It's so nice to have you back
989
00:58:41,688 --> 00:58:43,357
Where you belong
990
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:45,651
They didn't write a whole lot of parts,
991
00:58:45,734 --> 00:58:47,236
you know, character parts--
992
00:58:47,319 --> 00:58:51,823
They just let me be myself in pictures.
That's what made it awful nice.
993
00:58:51,907 --> 00:58:56,036
We all can't be Reinhardts
and things like that.
994
00:58:56,537 --> 00:58:58,163
So they just tell me, "Be yourself."
995
00:58:59,122 --> 00:59:02,459
All my days were happiness
'cause I'm born with nothing,
996
00:59:03,085 --> 00:59:04,670
come here with nothing.
997
00:59:04,753 --> 00:59:06,755
And I come through the world,
998
00:59:06,839 --> 00:59:10,884
whatever nothing I had,
I enjoyed playing the music.
999
00:59:10,968 --> 00:59:14,221
And what little advancement
or whatever it was,
1000
00:59:14,304 --> 00:59:16,682
it was more than I had at all times.
1001
00:59:16,765 --> 00:59:20,519
And right now, it's still more than I had.
1002
00:59:20,602 --> 00:59:23,647
And the fans are still happy with Satchmo.
1003
00:59:23,730 --> 00:59:27,943
And I wouldn't give a damn
if they had ten trillion dollars.
1004
00:59:28,026 --> 00:59:32,447
They can't be no happier than
Louis "Satchmo" Armstrong and Lucille.
1005
00:59:32,531 --> 00:59:38,078
We never want an estate where servants
be falling all over each other.
1006
00:59:38,161 --> 00:59:41,874
They're working for colored people.
And then-- We don't wanna go through that.
1007
00:59:41,957 --> 00:59:44,459
And I want to live the life
that I come through
1008
00:59:44,543 --> 00:59:51,008
with what Mayann, my mother, taught me…
enjoy the rudimentals.
1009
00:59:51,091 --> 00:59:52,342
To hell with the rest of it.
1010
00:59:58,515 --> 01:00:01,727
I'm confessin' that I love you
1011
01:00:04,897 --> 01:00:08,775
Tell me, do you love me too?
1012
01:00:11,111 --> 01:00:15,407
I'm confessin' that I need you
1013
01:00:16,408 --> 01:00:18,160
Honest, I do
1014
01:00:18,660 --> 01:00:22,456
Oh, baby, need you every moment
1015
01:00:22,539 --> 01:00:23,665
Oh, yeah?
1016
01:00:23,749 --> 01:00:25,626
Lucille, how did he propose? I mean--
1017
01:00:25,709 --> 01:00:27,503
-What did he say to you?
-Well, actually--
1018
01:00:27,586 --> 01:00:31,298
-How long did you know him?
-About two years.
1019
01:00:31,882 --> 01:00:33,592
-Two years?
-Oh, yes.
1020
01:00:33,675 --> 01:00:35,969
Well, it wasn't love at first sight then,
was it, Louis?
1021
01:00:36,053 --> 01:00:37,638
Plenty love going on then.
1022
01:00:39,389 --> 01:00:41,141
But not at first sight. I see.
1023
01:00:41,225 --> 01:00:43,268
Well, you know, I'm Louis's fourth wife.
1024
01:00:43,352 --> 01:00:44,394
-I see.
-Uh-huh.
1025
01:00:44,478 --> 01:00:48,273
And he was separated from his third wife.
1026
01:00:48,357 --> 01:00:50,776
And so the-- We couldn't marry.
1027
01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:53,612
And he kept saying,
"Well, you just stick around,
1028
01:00:53,695 --> 01:00:55,489
you know, wait for Pops.
1029
01:00:55,572 --> 01:00:57,407
And I'll get a divorce." You know.
1030
01:00:57,491 --> 01:00:59,368
And he's taking care of--
This woman's getting alimony.
1031
01:00:59,451 --> 01:01:01,662
-She's not about to give him up.
-Yeah.
1032
01:01:01,745 --> 01:01:03,205
And I just laughed.
1033
01:01:04,623 --> 01:01:07,000
He just tells me,
"Now, you just stay put, you know.
1034
01:01:07,084 --> 01:01:09,628
And one of these days, I'll…
1035
01:01:09,711 --> 01:01:11,713
She'll give me a divorce,
and we'll marry."
1036
01:01:11,797 --> 01:01:15,050
-Yeah.
-And I'm young. But how long do you wait?
1037
01:01:15,551 --> 01:01:18,512
So I was seen on the scene
with the young boys,
1038
01:01:18,595 --> 01:01:19,972
and Louis got tired of that.
1039
01:01:20,055 --> 01:01:21,682
And he says, "Look, I can't hold you down.
1040
01:01:21,765 --> 01:01:22,975
I guess I better marry you."
1041
01:01:23,058 --> 01:01:24,643
-You right.
-"I'll get the divorce."
1042
01:01:26,061 --> 01:01:29,523
Am I guessin' that you love me, babe
1043
01:01:29,606 --> 01:01:31,525
Oh, yeah
1044
01:01:32,985 --> 01:01:37,614
Dreaming dreams of you in vain, vain
1045
01:01:40,117 --> 01:01:44,413
I'm confessin' that I love you
1046
01:01:47,249 --> 01:01:48,625
Chops.
1047
01:01:48,709 --> 01:01:52,254
Over again
1048
01:01:58,218 --> 01:02:03,932
Well, what has been to you,
the most encouraging things?
1049
01:02:04,516 --> 01:02:08,187
My fourth wife, she fixed a nice home,
1050
01:02:08,687 --> 01:02:12,482
not elaborate, just someplace
where you settle down.
1051
01:02:12,566 --> 01:02:14,443
Your castle.
1052
01:02:14,526 --> 01:02:18,530
It's such a pleasure to go home.
That's why I canceled the road tour.
1053
01:02:22,075 --> 01:02:27,414
3456 107th Street.
1054
01:02:27,497 --> 01:02:29,750
-107th?
-Yeah. Street.
1055
01:02:30,334 --> 01:02:33,629
Corona, New York. The Queens.
1056
01:02:33,712 --> 01:02:37,299
It should be Long Island,
but, New York for many.
1057
01:02:38,675 --> 01:02:40,427
We would stay at my apartment,
1058
01:02:40,511 --> 01:02:44,890
but my mother had to get out
of her bedroom and sleep in my small room
1059
01:02:44,973 --> 01:02:46,642
so Louis
and I could have the large bedroom
1060
01:02:46,725 --> 01:02:49,061
for the few days of-- that we went home.
1061
01:02:49,144 --> 01:02:51,230
So I decided to buy a house.
1062
01:02:51,813 --> 01:02:54,191
And I told Louis, "Let's get a house."
1063
01:02:54,274 --> 01:02:56,985
And he said,
"What do you want a house for?
1064
01:02:57,069 --> 01:03:00,322
We'll be traveling.
I'll get a hotel room."
1065
01:03:00,405 --> 01:03:03,742
And I wasn't about to be cooped up
in a hotel room.
1066
01:03:03,825 --> 01:03:07,412
And after being married to Louis
for a few months,
1067
01:03:07,496 --> 01:03:13,001
I found that it wasn't very easy
to argue with Louis.
1068
01:03:13,794 --> 01:03:15,504
If he made his mind up about something,
1069
01:03:15,587 --> 01:03:18,924
he was very, very positive
that you couldn't change his mind.
1070
01:03:19,007 --> 01:03:21,260
And so he kept not wanting this house.
1071
01:03:21,343 --> 01:03:23,804
And I'm a very stubborn person myself.
1072
01:03:23,887 --> 01:03:26,932
And so I said, "This guy doesn't know
what the house is all about."
1073
01:03:27,766 --> 01:03:30,060
I bought the house myself
and didn't tell him.
1074
01:03:30,644 --> 01:03:33,355
I had had the house eight months
before I told Louis.
1075
01:03:34,356 --> 01:03:36,358
Eight whole months.
1076
01:03:36,441 --> 01:03:40,028
Meanwhile, my mother's writing me
about what's happening,
1077
01:03:40,112 --> 01:03:43,031
and they're planting flowers
and this, that and the other.
1078
01:03:43,657 --> 01:03:46,618
So finally, I tell him, two weeks before
we were to go back to New York.
1079
01:03:46,702 --> 01:03:49,621
And I told him, I said,
"Pops, I got something to tell you."
1080
01:03:50,414 --> 01:03:52,541
So he said,
"Well, what have you done now?"
1081
01:03:52,624 --> 01:03:53,959
I said, "I haven't done anything--
1082
01:03:54,042 --> 01:03:56,670
I don't think you're going to be unhappy
about what I've done.
1083
01:03:56,753 --> 01:04:00,924
But I wanna--
I have to tell you that we've moved."
1084
01:04:01,008 --> 01:04:03,302
And he said, "We've what?"
He said, "We've moved?"
1085
01:04:03,385 --> 01:04:05,387
He said, "That's all right.
You got a larger apartment?"
1086
01:04:05,470 --> 01:04:07,139
I said, "No, I bought a house."
1087
01:04:07,222 --> 01:04:11,393
So he looked at me like I was, you know,
like I was a cow with seven horns.
1088
01:04:12,060 --> 01:04:15,564
Now he said, "How did you pay for it?
You didn't ask me for any money."
1089
01:04:15,647 --> 01:04:19,151
I said, "You have to remember,
I have been working for 13 years.
1090
01:04:19,234 --> 01:04:20,944
I have a little money saved up.
1091
01:04:21,028 --> 01:04:24,656
And so, when I approached you
about a house and you were so down on it,
1092
01:04:24,740 --> 01:04:28,160
I didn't ask you. I just took my money,
and I put the down payment on the house,
1093
01:04:28,243 --> 01:04:29,953
and I've been keeping the payments up."
1094
01:04:30,037 --> 01:04:31,538
I said,
"Now that you know about the house,
1095
01:04:31,622 --> 01:04:33,373
you can take the payments over."
1096
01:04:34,458 --> 01:04:36,877
But I've never been able to move Louis
from that place.
1097
01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:39,463
Once he got in that place, he loved it.
1098
01:04:58,941 --> 01:05:01,818
Mrs. Armstrong, do you
always go with Louis wherever he goes?
1099
01:05:01,902 --> 01:05:02,778
Yes, I do…
1100
01:05:02,861 --> 01:05:04,446
It's your job to look after him?
1101
01:05:04,530 --> 01:05:08,492
That's part of my marital vow
to take care of the husband.
1102
01:05:08,575 --> 01:05:13,330
-Yes.
-And while I-- We travel a lot.
1103
01:05:13,413 --> 01:05:16,333
We try to maintain a home life
wherever we go.
1104
01:05:16,416 --> 01:05:17,918
So we were constantly together.
1105
01:05:18,001 --> 01:05:21,880
There was-- There wasn't that separation,
1106
01:05:21,964 --> 01:05:25,384
as most musicians and wives have.
1107
01:05:26,426 --> 01:05:27,678
But then, I was fortunate
1108
01:05:27,761 --> 01:05:30,138
for the simple reason
that Louis wanted me with him.
1109
01:05:31,181 --> 01:05:34,101
And secondly,
he could afford to keep me with him.
1110
01:05:34,184 --> 01:05:36,603
And the other chaps
couldn't afford to take their families.
1111
01:05:37,396 --> 01:05:39,147
Did it get boring at any time,
1112
01:05:39,231 --> 01:05:42,317
-listening to Louis night after night?
-You gotta be kidding.
1113
01:05:42,401 --> 01:05:44,570
-Really?
-How could anyone be bored
1114
01:05:44,653 --> 01:05:46,071
with those beautiful notes?
1115
01:05:46,655 --> 01:05:50,450
Yeah, I had a audience with the pope.
1116
01:05:51,076 --> 01:05:52,995
You had an audience with the pope?
1117
01:05:54,288 --> 01:05:56,039
And I remember that morning,
1118
01:05:56,123 --> 01:05:59,042
there was 10,000 people there waiting
just to see him.
1119
01:05:59,710 --> 01:06:01,879
And my wife,
she's dressed for the occasion,
1120
01:06:01,962 --> 01:06:06,175
had on a outfit with a black veil.
1121
01:06:06,258 --> 01:06:07,968
And I'm sharp.
1122
01:06:09,052 --> 01:06:11,638
So he asked me, "Have you any children?"
1123
01:06:12,514 --> 01:06:16,101
I said,
"Well, no, daddy. But we still wailing."
1124
01:06:16,185 --> 01:06:17,186
And--
1125
01:06:37,706 --> 01:06:39,833
Now, let's talk about pot.
1126
01:06:39,917 --> 01:06:42,002
Yeah.
1127
01:06:42,085 --> 01:06:44,421
I'm only sorry
you couldn't be here with us longer.
1128
01:06:44,505 --> 01:06:45,797
I wish you could have gotten higher.
1129
01:06:45,881 --> 01:06:48,050
But why don't you go and say hello
to the folks on the panel?
1130
01:06:48,133 --> 01:06:49,927
Well, I'm getting higher next time round.
1131
01:06:51,887 --> 01:06:55,682
Mary… wouna.
1132
01:06:55,766 --> 01:07:02,064
Honey, you sure was good
and I enjoyed you very much.
1133
01:07:03,357 --> 01:07:06,693
Marijuana is more of a medicine than dope.
1134
01:07:09,738 --> 01:07:12,908
Why did he do it?
Well, because it relaxes you.
1135
01:07:13,534 --> 01:07:15,994
It does something to your hearing.
1136
01:07:16,078 --> 01:07:19,623
And if you're a musician,
it does something to your playing.
1137
01:07:23,418 --> 01:07:26,421
"I have to go through
the whole world with this horn,
1138
01:07:26,505 --> 01:07:27,965
making millions happy,
1139
01:07:28,048 --> 01:07:32,928
and at the same time
ducking and dodging cops, dicks, so forth.
1140
01:07:33,846 --> 01:07:37,140
Why? 'Cause they say it's against the law.
1141
01:07:37,224 --> 01:07:40,477
I'm not so particular about
having a permit to carry a gun.
1142
01:07:41,103 --> 01:07:45,190
All I want is a permit
to carry that good shit."
1143
01:07:45,274 --> 01:07:48,777
On the West Coast, California, in 1931,
1144
01:07:49,319 --> 01:07:53,448
when I got busted,
it was during our intermission.
1145
01:07:53,532 --> 01:07:57,286
Two big, healthy dicks--
detectives, that is--
1146
01:07:57,369 --> 01:08:01,623
come from behind a car, man,
and say to us,
1147
01:08:02,499 --> 01:08:04,710
"We'll take the roach, boys."
1148
01:08:04,793 --> 01:08:10,424
I spent nine days in
the downtown Los Angeles city jail.
1149
01:08:10,507 --> 01:08:13,844
And when all of those prisoners looked up
1150
01:08:13,927 --> 01:08:20,267
and saw me walk in
with this great big deputy sheriff,
1151
01:08:20,350 --> 01:08:24,770
they all en masse started,
"Hey, Louis Armstrong!"
1152
01:08:25,354 --> 01:08:28,317
The judge gave me a suspended sentence,
1153
01:08:28,399 --> 01:08:33,404
and I went to work that night,
wailed just like nothing happened.
1154
01:09:08,982 --> 01:09:10,108
Ladies and gentlemen,
1155
01:09:10,817 --> 01:09:12,653
Louis Armstrong has told me
1156
01:09:12,736 --> 01:09:17,032
that his most honored ambition
is being fulfilled tonight
1157
01:09:17,115 --> 01:09:19,576
in playing with the New York Philharmonic.
1158
01:09:20,160 --> 01:09:23,412
I should say that it is rather we,
1159
01:09:23,497 --> 01:09:26,166
on the longer-haired side of the fence,
1160
01:09:26,250 --> 01:09:30,962
who are honored in that
when we play "The Saint Louis Blues,"
1161
01:09:31,046 --> 01:09:35,008
we are only doing a blown-up imitation
of what he does.
1162
01:09:35,591 --> 01:09:38,386
And what he does is real and true
1163
01:09:38,470 --> 01:09:41,765
and honest and simple, and even noble.
1164
01:09:49,481 --> 01:09:53,902
I never shall forget
the first time we went to Africa in 1956.
1165
01:09:57,781 --> 01:09:59,199
"My God, darling.
1166
01:10:00,075 --> 01:10:03,287
I had no idea
I would be so thrillingly received
1167
01:10:03,370 --> 01:10:07,791
by my brothers and sisters
in my homeland, Africa."
1168
01:10:09,251 --> 01:10:13,672
This is, though, a tour
to make friends and influence people.
1169
01:10:13,755 --> 01:10:16,758
Well, I guess that's the idea
when they did it.
1170
01:10:16,842 --> 01:10:20,637
But all-- We want to get out there
and blow for them cats. They're all fans.
1171
01:10:22,806 --> 01:10:25,809
Yeah, we got off the plane and…
1172
01:10:25,893 --> 01:10:29,646
All for you
Lord, for you, Louis
1173
01:10:39,323 --> 01:10:40,532
La la la
1174
01:10:44,244 --> 01:10:48,290
The attendance was so fantastic
that there wasn't a place to hold it
1175
01:10:48,373 --> 01:10:51,043
except the polo grounds,
which was just a big stadium.
1176
01:11:09,770 --> 01:11:12,397
And then one of the chiefs
said to Louis, "Hello, Satchmo."
1177
01:11:12,481 --> 01:11:13,607
And Louis told me, he said,
1178
01:11:13,690 --> 01:11:15,943
"See that, Moms?
They even got my records in the bush."
1179
01:11:16,026 --> 01:11:18,320
You know, everybody knows Pops.
1180
01:11:27,788 --> 01:11:30,290
-I had a wonderful time.
-I take it you did.
1181
01:11:30,374 --> 01:11:32,584
Yeah,
they had about nine tribes down there.
1182
01:11:32,668 --> 01:11:36,004
That's-- That come from miles away
just to dance with us.
1183
01:11:36,713 --> 01:11:39,800
And in one of those tribes,
they had a chick swinging there,
1184
01:11:39,883 --> 01:11:40,884
looked just like my mother.
1185
01:11:40,968 --> 01:11:43,595
Man, I made the cameraman
call her over here
1186
01:11:43,679 --> 01:11:46,640
and let her put a couple of
Wiggle Waggle Woos on there for me.
1187
01:11:53,438 --> 01:11:54,690
Here's a song we did
1188
01:11:54,773 --> 01:11:57,484
that was all about
one of the big events of the year
1189
01:11:57,568 --> 01:11:58,819
in my hometown,
1190
01:11:58,902 --> 01:12:01,363
the Zulu Parade in Mardi Gras week.
1191
01:12:02,197 --> 01:12:07,077
But it wasn't until 1949,
23 years after I made this record,
1192
01:12:07,160 --> 01:12:11,331
that they elected Satchmo
to be the king of the Zulus.
1193
01:12:18,755 --> 01:12:20,174
I got to New Orleans,
1194
01:12:20,257 --> 01:12:22,926
and it was like everybody was crazy
in that city.
1195
01:12:23,010 --> 01:12:24,344
Everybody was packing the streets,
1196
01:12:24,428 --> 01:12:26,388
and there were all kinds
of racial paradoxes,
1197
01:12:26,471 --> 01:12:29,600
like the Zulus were
prepared to present Louis that night
1198
01:12:29,683 --> 01:12:32,352
in a concert
at Booker T. Washington Auditorium.
1199
01:12:32,436 --> 01:12:35,439
Armstrong's All Star Band
has played 45 minutes
1200
01:12:35,522 --> 01:12:40,652
of New Orleans's own Dixieland music
to an enthusiastic capacity crowd.
1201
01:12:41,320 --> 01:12:42,905
I went to the concert, and I saw
1202
01:12:42,988 --> 01:12:45,908
Black spectators seated on the left
and the center aisles,
1203
01:12:45,991 --> 01:12:47,868
while the whites were
over on the right aisle.
1204
01:12:47,951 --> 01:12:50,454
But on the stage,
I saw Louis and Jack Teagarden
1205
01:12:50,537 --> 01:12:51,872
with their arms around each other,
1206
01:12:51,955 --> 01:12:55,209
radiating interracial brotherhood,
singing a duet.
1207
01:12:55,709 --> 01:12:58,170
And I saw white officials
shaking hands with Louis on stage,
1208
01:12:58,253 --> 01:13:01,298
and congratulating him,
and paying tribute to his talent.
1209
01:13:01,381 --> 01:13:02,883
I saw Louis bursting with pride
1210
01:13:02,966 --> 01:13:05,802
when the mayor of New Orleans
gave him the keys to the city.
1211
01:13:05,886 --> 01:13:07,554
That was the week
he made the cover of Time.
1212
01:13:07,638 --> 01:13:10,015
It was on every white newsstand in town.
1213
01:13:10,098 --> 01:13:12,100
On behalf of the people of New Orleans,
1214
01:13:12,184 --> 01:13:15,354
the city with a colorful past
and a promising future,
1215
01:13:15,437 --> 01:13:17,481
we want to present you
the key to the city.
1216
01:13:18,315 --> 01:13:19,983
To Louis Armstrong.
1217
01:13:20,067 --> 01:13:22,110
Thank you very much, Mayor.
1218
01:13:22,194 --> 01:13:24,947
This is really a treat.
This is the thrill of my life.
1219
01:13:25,030 --> 01:13:27,199
But I also knew
that there were hundreds of places
1220
01:13:27,282 --> 01:13:29,576
to which those keys would never admit him.
1221
01:13:33,372 --> 01:13:35,541
When he was king,
everybody was getting out.
1222
01:13:35,624 --> 01:13:40,838
People that didn't get out on Carnival,
they going out to see Louis Armstrong,
1223
01:13:40,921 --> 01:13:42,047
king of the Zulu.
1224
01:13:42,756 --> 01:13:44,299
And there was so many people.
1225
01:13:44,383 --> 01:13:46,385
Everything got held up,
you know what I mean?
1226
01:13:46,468 --> 01:13:48,053
It was stopping everything,
1227
01:13:48,136 --> 01:13:50,180
and he just had to get off the float,
you know.
1228
01:13:50,264 --> 01:13:52,724
'Cause sooner or later, man,
he might have got hurt up there.
1229
01:13:52,808 --> 01:13:53,809
You understand me?
1230
01:13:55,227 --> 01:13:58,647
Rex was the biggest parade
of all the white parades.
1231
01:13:58,730 --> 01:14:01,191
And by white, I mean it was what it was.
It was segregated.
1232
01:14:01,275 --> 01:14:04,486
But Zulu was like
the height of everything.
1233
01:14:04,570 --> 01:14:07,865
So, for Pops, he wanted
to be the king of Zulu his entire life.
1234
01:14:07,948 --> 01:14:11,076
The king of Zulu
would dress up in blackface.
1235
01:14:11,743 --> 01:14:12,995
That's what he did.
1236
01:14:13,078 --> 01:14:16,707
So Louis Armstrong did it,
and it became, you know, a crime.
1237
01:14:18,792 --> 01:14:21,378
-That was a great thing then…
-Yeah.
1238
01:14:21,461 --> 01:14:25,090
…'cause what's going on now
with all these marches and organizations,
1239
01:14:25,174 --> 01:14:28,594
they won't let it happen no more now,
you know, all that makeup.
1240
01:14:29,553 --> 01:14:31,263
First thing about blackface is
1241
01:14:31,346 --> 01:14:34,057
we have to understand
that it comes out of minstrelsy.
1242
01:14:34,141 --> 01:14:37,394
Minstrelsy was not invented
to elevate Negroes.
1243
01:14:38,103 --> 01:14:44,735
Minstrelsy was invented to get jobs
for white guys who were imitating Negroes.
1244
01:14:46,236 --> 01:14:50,240
Now, what it became, ironically,
1245
01:14:50,324 --> 01:14:57,289
was the first mass popular phenomenon
in American culture.
1246
01:15:03,504 --> 01:15:05,797
You have to know what the tradition is.
1247
01:15:06,507 --> 01:15:09,134
So it's people everywhere
who don't know what that tradition is.
1248
01:15:09,218 --> 01:15:12,054
All they're seeing is
a blackface minstrel,
1249
01:15:12,137 --> 01:15:13,931
but he wasn't looking at it like that.
1250
01:15:14,014 --> 01:15:16,600
You had a lot of traditions and things
that you had
1251
01:15:16,683 --> 01:15:20,395
that were viable and good and meaningful.
1252
01:15:21,104 --> 01:15:24,274
And then, during the movement,
we threw all of that stuff out.
1253
01:15:24,358 --> 01:15:26,902
Dancing a certain way, cheesing, Tomming.
1254
01:15:27,694 --> 01:15:30,280
And we didn't want
to be a part of any of that.
1255
01:15:35,285 --> 01:15:36,954
"And after the funeral,
1256
01:15:37,037 --> 01:15:39,623
with just Sonny and me
alone in the empty kitchen,
1257
01:15:40,374 --> 01:15:43,544
I tried to find out something about him.
1258
01:15:44,294 --> 01:15:45,546
'What do you want to do?'
1259
01:15:46,171 --> 01:15:48,632
'I want to play jazz,' he said.
1260
01:15:49,132 --> 01:15:51,844
'You mean-- like Louis Armstrong?'
1261
01:15:52,469 --> 01:15:54,388
His face closed as though I'd struck him.
1262
01:15:54,972 --> 01:15:58,767
'No, I'm not talking about
none of that old-time, down-home crap.'"
1263
01:15:59,476 --> 01:16:04,106
Pops, how much do you think
you've lost out of--
1264
01:16:04,606 --> 01:16:07,067
not your own life
and certainly not your own pride,
1265
01:16:07,150 --> 01:16:10,529
but out of commercial life
by being born Black in a white country?
1266
01:16:10,612 --> 01:16:13,073
No, I don't look at it that way.
1267
01:16:13,740 --> 01:16:17,494
Your color don't mean shit to me
if you're a dumb son of a bitch.
1268
01:16:18,203 --> 01:16:19,204
You understand?
1269
01:16:19,288 --> 01:16:22,708
Right, so, are you a man or mouse?
It's up to you.
1270
01:16:23,208 --> 01:16:26,795
A lot of young people resented the way
1271
01:16:26,879 --> 01:16:30,632
they thought Armstrong was
too submissive to the United States.
1272
01:16:30,716 --> 01:16:33,468
If you coming up in the '50s and '60s,
1273
01:16:33,552 --> 01:16:34,928
there's a different aesthetic,
1274
01:16:35,012 --> 01:16:38,098
a different kind of attitude,
political attitude, in the street.
1275
01:16:38,182 --> 01:16:41,935
And they didn't understand Louis
because Louis was always affable,
1276
01:16:42,019 --> 01:16:42,895
always smiling.
1277
01:16:46,773 --> 01:16:47,774
Yay!
1278
01:16:47,858 --> 01:16:51,737
Keeps that Georgia on my mind
1279
01:16:51,820 --> 01:16:53,572
Yeah
1280
01:16:53,655 --> 01:16:55,365
Mmm
1281
01:16:57,075 --> 01:17:00,621
They don't realize
that Louis was doing that
1282
01:17:00,704 --> 01:17:02,664
when he was around his friends.
1283
01:17:03,457 --> 01:17:05,959
-He was acting the same way.
-That's right.
1284
01:17:06,043 --> 01:17:08,212
But when you do it in front of white folks
1285
01:17:08,295 --> 01:17:11,840
and try to make them enjoy what you feel--
1286
01:17:11,924 --> 01:17:13,342
-That's what he was doing.
-Right!
1287
01:17:13,425 --> 01:17:15,010
-They call him Uncle Tom.
-Yes.
1288
01:17:15,093 --> 01:17:20,641
Oh, you can bend her legs
Bend her arms and bathe her too
1289
01:17:22,809 --> 01:17:24,728
Let's fly down or drive down
To New Orleans
1290
01:17:24,811 --> 01:17:27,606
First time you misplace words
and do that shit,
1291
01:17:27,689 --> 01:17:29,942
they gonna say you Uncle Tomming.
And goddamn it--
1292
01:17:30,025 --> 01:17:33,612
And every fucking nationality comedian
stays right in this category.
1293
01:17:33,695 --> 01:17:35,489
Look at the Jew,
doesn't he use his dialect?
1294
01:17:35,572 --> 01:17:37,449
I ain't supposed to be no comedian.
1295
01:17:37,533 --> 01:17:38,951
That's just everyday life, you know.
1296
01:17:39,034 --> 01:17:41,370
"Suppose" my ass.
You are a natural comedian.
1297
01:17:41,453 --> 01:17:42,955
Yeah, well, that's all right.
1298
01:17:43,038 --> 01:17:46,124
A lot of his film roles,
the early ones, I never liked those.
1299
01:17:46,208 --> 01:17:49,837
For my generation to see him
singing to horses and stuff,
1300
01:17:49,920 --> 01:17:53,298
or the kind of way Black people
acted in films,
1301
01:17:53,382 --> 01:17:54,842
it's not just Louis Armstrong.
1302
01:17:54,925 --> 01:17:57,052
Gosh all, git up
1303
01:17:57,135 --> 01:17:59,513
How'd they get so lit up?
1304
01:17:59,596 --> 01:18:02,140
Gosh all, git up
1305
01:18:02,224 --> 01:18:04,643
How'd they get that size?
1306
01:18:04,726 --> 01:18:07,354
Archie got his nose broke
for fighting a nigga
1307
01:18:07,437 --> 01:18:10,023
'cause he didn't like
the way he talked about me.
1308
01:18:10,107 --> 01:18:12,901
This smug motherfucker said,
"Louis Armstrong,
1309
01:18:12,985 --> 01:18:14,403
Uncle Tom nigga."
1310
01:18:14,486 --> 01:18:17,573
When the fuck have I "Uncle Tommed"
in my life?
1311
01:18:17,656 --> 01:18:19,449
I tell ya. All you have to do is
1312
01:18:19,533 --> 01:18:22,744
break up your face and mug,
and a nigga say you're Uncle Tom.
1313
01:18:22,828 --> 01:18:26,081
-I'm there blowing this fucking horn…
-A man got expressions, you know?
1314
01:18:27,749 --> 01:18:30,252
Most of the fellas
I grew up with, myself included,
1315
01:18:30,335 --> 01:18:32,171
we used to laugh at Louis Armstrong.
1316
01:18:33,005 --> 01:18:34,464
We knew he could play the horn,
1317
01:18:34,548 --> 01:18:37,426
but that didn't save him
from our malice and our ridicule.
1318
01:18:38,010 --> 01:18:40,679
Everywhere we'd look,
there would be old Louis.
1319
01:18:41,346 --> 01:18:46,727
Sweat popping, eyes bugging,
mouth wide open, grinning,
1320
01:18:46,810 --> 01:18:49,271
oh, my Lord, from ear to ear.
1321
01:18:50,522 --> 01:18:52,191
"Ooftah," we called it.
1322
01:18:52,858 --> 01:18:57,529
Mopping his brow, ducking his head,
doing his thing for the white man.
1323
01:18:57,613 --> 01:18:59,907
Oh, yeah.
1324
01:19:02,326 --> 01:19:08,040
It wasn't until 1966,
when we were working together
1325
01:19:08,123 --> 01:19:12,461
on a picture in New York
with Sammy Davis Jr., Cicely Tyson,
1326
01:19:13,212 --> 01:19:14,755
that I got to know Louis better.
1327
01:19:16,465 --> 01:19:18,842
One day, we'd broken for lunch,
1328
01:19:18,926 --> 01:19:20,677
and I decided to stay inside.
1329
01:19:21,178 --> 01:19:23,347
It was quiet,
so I thought everybody had gone.
1330
01:19:23,430 --> 01:19:26,642
I went back on the set
to lie down on the bed,
1331
01:19:28,810 --> 01:19:34,191
and there was Louis by the door,
sitting in a chair,
1332
01:19:34,274 --> 01:19:38,362
staring up and out into space
1333
01:19:39,947 --> 01:19:41,615
with the saddest,
1334
01:19:41,698 --> 01:19:45,160
most heartbreaking expression
I've ever seen on a man's face.
1335
01:19:47,996 --> 01:19:49,915
I just stared at him for a moment.
1336
01:19:51,333 --> 01:19:54,837
And then when I tried to turn
and sneak away,
1337
01:19:56,213 --> 01:19:57,673
the noise snapped Louis out of it.
1338
01:19:57,756 --> 01:20:00,217
And all of a sudden,
there was that professional grin again,
1339
01:20:00,300 --> 01:20:01,301
mouth wide open.
1340
01:20:01,385 --> 01:20:03,303
He whipped out his handkerchief,
mopped his brow.
1341
01:20:03,387 --> 01:20:04,972
"Hey, Pops,
1342
01:20:05,055 --> 01:20:08,433
look like you cats trying
to starve old Louis to death, yeah."
1343
01:20:09,726 --> 01:20:12,145
I put on my face and grinned right back.
1344
01:20:15,482 --> 01:20:16,650
But it wasn't funny.
1345
01:20:18,569 --> 01:20:19,570
Not anymore.
1346
01:20:22,364 --> 01:20:25,659
What I saw in that look shook me.
1347
01:20:27,661 --> 01:20:28,912
It was my father.
1348
01:20:29,872 --> 01:20:31,123
My uncle.
1349
01:20:31,874 --> 01:20:34,793
Myself, down through the generations,
1350
01:20:35,794 --> 01:20:37,921
doing exactly what Louis had had to do,
1351
01:20:38,755 --> 01:20:39,882
for the same reason,
1352
01:20:41,383 --> 01:20:42,384
to survive.
1353
01:20:43,510 --> 01:20:45,262
I never laughed at Louis after that,
1354
01:20:47,389 --> 01:20:52,728
for beneath that gravel voice
and that shuffle,
1355
01:20:55,105 --> 01:21:01,486
under all that mouth with more teeth
than a piano had keys,
1356
01:21:04,156 --> 01:21:08,160
was a horn that could kill a man.
1357
01:21:09,077 --> 01:21:13,207
That horn is where Louis had
kept his manhood hid all those years.
1358
01:21:13,832 --> 01:21:16,043
Enough for him, enough for all of us.
1359
01:21:39,441 --> 01:21:41,944
I understand
you're somewhat of a politician.
1360
01:21:42,027 --> 01:21:43,820
Do you know anything about politics?
1361
01:21:43,904 --> 01:21:45,906
No. No.
1362
01:21:45,989 --> 01:21:49,952
Politics…
I don't think you could print that--
1363
01:21:50,911 --> 01:21:54,623
that are African golfers,
and stuff like that.
1364
01:21:55,249 --> 01:21:59,545
We confuse what we perceived
as the social demeanor
1365
01:22:00,379 --> 01:22:02,923
in that context of lynching--
1366
01:22:03,423 --> 01:22:06,176
You understand? Overt segregation.
1367
01:22:06,260 --> 01:22:09,596
And we thought
that Louis was submitting to that.
1368
01:22:09,680 --> 01:22:13,725
Sometimes I feel
1369
01:22:14,685 --> 01:22:16,603
Like a motherless child
1370
01:22:16,687 --> 01:22:21,108
You know, Louis's expression
was musical and artistic
1371
01:22:21,191 --> 01:22:22,526
and transcended that.
1372
01:22:22,609 --> 01:22:25,362
When it was possible for Louis to speak,
he spoke.
1373
01:22:31,368 --> 01:22:33,203
Louis was very sensitive
1374
01:22:33,287 --> 01:22:38,584
when people did something that he felt--
I guess the word would be "unethical."
1375
01:22:39,585 --> 01:22:43,130
What about you? Do you think
the colored students will show up?
1376
01:22:43,213 --> 01:22:45,215
If I got anything to do with it,
they won't show up.
1377
01:22:45,299 --> 01:22:48,552
Well, I think it's a breaking point
of the school integration.
1378
01:22:48,635 --> 01:22:51,263
I don't feel that they should
have a right to go to school.
1379
01:22:51,346 --> 01:22:54,349
Oh, when the saints
1380
01:22:54,433 --> 01:22:56,226
When the saints
1381
01:22:56,977 --> 01:22:59,229
Go marching in
1382
01:22:59,313 --> 01:23:01,815
Go marching in
1383
01:23:01,899 --> 01:23:06,820
-When the saints go marching in
-Yeah
1384
01:23:06,904 --> 01:23:08,822
Oh, yeah
1385
01:23:09,323 --> 01:23:14,786
I want to be in that number
1386
01:23:14,870 --> 01:23:16,830
Oh, yeah
1387
01:23:17,581 --> 01:23:23,545
When the saints come marching in
1388
01:23:25,672 --> 01:23:28,133
-When the saints
-Oh, when the saints
1389
01:23:28,217 --> 01:23:30,844
-Go marching in
-Are marching in
1390
01:23:30,928 --> 01:23:34,223
Who's gonna play on the day
That the saints go marching in?
1391
01:23:34,306 --> 01:23:37,976
Well, man
The mostest and the greatest
1392
01:23:38,060 --> 01:23:40,270
From the oldest to the latest
1393
01:23:40,354 --> 01:23:42,606
Gonna play in the band
In the big bandstand
1394
01:23:42,689 --> 01:23:44,066
When the saints go marching in
1395
01:23:44,149 --> 01:23:46,777
-Now, Louis, how about Brahms?
-He ain't no bum.
1396
01:23:46,860 --> 01:23:48,278
Little Rock, Arkansas.
1397
01:23:48,362 --> 01:23:49,821
The white population are determined
1398
01:23:49,905 --> 01:23:53,325
to prevent colored students from going
to the school their own children attend.
1399
01:23:53,408 --> 01:23:55,994
And Mozart composed
With all he had
1400
01:23:56,078 --> 01:23:58,622
With symphonies
And operas and all that jazz
1401
01:23:58,705 --> 01:24:01,959
Later, the Central High School
of Little Rock storm center was sealed off
1402
01:24:02,042 --> 01:24:03,085
by orders of the governor,
1403
01:24:03,168 --> 01:24:05,170
who called out the state National Guard.
1404
01:24:05,754 --> 01:24:08,966
Oh, when the saints
Go marching in
1405
01:24:09,049 --> 01:24:10,217
Oh, when the saints
1406
01:24:10,300 --> 01:24:13,053
Colored youngsters arrived
under safe conduct by the guards,
1407
01:24:13,136 --> 01:24:15,764
but no sooner had they arrived
than they were off again.
1408
01:24:15,848 --> 01:24:18,308
Arkansas had evidently decided
to make its own laws
1409
01:24:18,392 --> 01:24:19,560
on the subject of integration.
1410
01:24:19,643 --> 01:24:24,398
Go marching in
1411
01:24:25,774 --> 01:24:27,818
What are you gonna tell the Russians
1412
01:24:27,901 --> 01:24:30,320
when they ask you
about the Little Rock incident?
1413
01:24:30,404 --> 01:24:32,739
It all depends what time
they send me over there.
1414
01:24:32,823 --> 01:24:36,034
I don't think they should send me unless
they straighten that mess down South.
1415
01:24:36,118 --> 01:24:39,997
Two, four, six, eight!
We don't want to integrate!
1416
01:24:42,416 --> 01:24:47,546
They've been ignoring the Constitution.
Although they're taught it in school.
1417
01:24:47,629 --> 01:24:49,923
But when they go home,
their parents tell them different.
1418
01:24:50,007 --> 01:24:51,508
Say, "You don't have to abide by it
1419
01:24:51,592 --> 01:24:54,011
because we've been getting away with it
a hundred years.
1420
01:24:54,094 --> 01:24:57,806
So, nobody tells on each other,
so don't bother with it."
1421
01:24:57,890 --> 01:25:02,019
So, if they ask me what's happening
if I go now, I can't tell a lie.
1422
01:25:02,102 --> 01:25:05,522
That's one thing. There's no worth
lying the way I feel about it.
1423
01:25:06,023 --> 01:25:07,774
-Thank you, Louis.
-Okay.
1424
01:25:08,317 --> 01:25:09,610
Now I'll say this to you.
1425
01:25:09,693 --> 01:25:12,988
I'll never open the public schools
in Little Rock
1426
01:25:13,071 --> 01:25:15,657
on an integrated basis
until the people say so.
1427
01:25:17,659 --> 01:25:19,703
You know,
there's a certain type of naivete
1428
01:25:19,786 --> 01:25:21,038
that a country like this has,
1429
01:25:21,121 --> 01:25:24,750
in those who are super patriotic
and they don't see anything.
1430
01:25:25,459 --> 01:25:27,085
It's just, "Everything we do is great."
1431
01:25:27,169 --> 01:25:31,173
And then those who are not patriotic
at all and see that we don't do anything.
1432
01:25:31,757 --> 01:25:34,092
Louis Armstrong was not in either camp.
1433
01:25:34,593 --> 01:25:37,888
And I dare say that he was actually more
in the forefront of civil rights
1434
01:25:37,971 --> 01:25:39,640
in terms of making statements
1435
01:25:40,140 --> 01:25:43,227
than a lot of the so-called
modern musicians of that time were.
1436
01:25:43,310 --> 01:25:46,146
And even when he said what he said
about Eisenhower in the '50s.
1437
01:25:46,230 --> 01:25:48,273
Yeah, he was upset about segregation.
1438
01:25:48,941 --> 01:25:51,360
Well, he said that
as far as he was concerned,
1439
01:25:51,443 --> 01:25:53,487
Ike and the government could go to hell,
1440
01:25:54,071 --> 01:25:57,950
and he sang his version of
"The Star-Spangled Banner" to me
1441
01:25:58,033 --> 01:26:00,285
with very dirty lyrics.
1442
01:26:00,369 --> 01:26:05,457
"Oh, say, can you mothers-- MFs see
by the MF early light."
1443
01:26:06,124 --> 01:26:07,334
He was very mad.
1444
01:26:08,210 --> 01:26:10,420
Then he said a number of things,
1445
01:26:10,963 --> 01:26:15,843
one of which was, "As for Orval Faubus,
he's just an ignorant plowboy."
1446
01:26:15,926 --> 01:26:17,678
Well, I think it's a damn shame
1447
01:26:17,761 --> 01:26:21,473
for people
to be so deceitful and two-faced.
1448
01:26:21,557 --> 01:26:23,433
I mean, that governor.
1449
01:26:23,517 --> 01:26:24,935
I mean, I bet you right now,
1450
01:26:25,018 --> 01:26:27,896
he's got an old colored mammy there
nursing his baby.
1451
01:26:27,980 --> 01:26:32,109
The nation alone, I mean,
is misguided, cold-blooded.
1452
01:26:32,192 --> 01:26:33,819
Shame just to keep it up.
1453
01:26:33,902 --> 01:26:34,903
They can't stand it.
1454
01:26:34,987 --> 01:26:36,989
I mean, how can they rest well at night
1455
01:26:37,072 --> 01:26:39,074
thinking they have to
go through that tomorrow?
1456
01:26:39,157 --> 01:26:42,160
The kids, they're only doing
what their parents told 'em.
1457
01:26:43,161 --> 01:26:44,496
They wouldn't do it if--
1458
01:26:45,497 --> 01:26:48,333
I mean, the colored people
who, at the end of the day,
1459
01:26:48,417 --> 01:26:52,171
they-- I don't know why, but, uh,
when they throw their…
1460
01:26:52,254 --> 01:26:54,548
We throw our heart in it and everything,
1461
01:26:54,631 --> 01:26:56,884
because we're just doing it
for our country.
1462
01:26:57,718 --> 01:27:01,054
Everybody was astonished
when Louis did it publicly,
1463
01:27:01,138 --> 01:27:05,392
but privately he had expressed stuff
like that all his life.
1464
01:27:05,475 --> 01:27:10,856
You know, he was very conscious of
what we now call civil rights.
1465
01:27:10,939 --> 01:27:14,067
He blew up. He put it on the line.
1466
01:27:14,151 --> 01:27:17,821
You know, and, of course,
he had very, very bad comments
1467
01:27:17,905 --> 01:27:21,074
from our political leaders
about making this particular statement.
1468
01:27:21,158 --> 01:27:24,161
That-- You know,
they interviewed Adam Clayton Powell.
1469
01:27:24,244 --> 01:27:25,996
They interviewed Sammy Davis.
1470
01:27:26,079 --> 01:27:27,539
They put Pops down
1471
01:27:28,040 --> 01:27:30,876
because they said he was a musician,
he didn't know what he was talking about.
1472
01:27:30,959 --> 01:27:32,836
Louis was that kind of person.
1473
01:27:32,920 --> 01:27:34,213
He-- Either he said nothing,
1474
01:27:34,296 --> 01:27:35,339
and when he got angry,
1475
01:27:35,422 --> 01:27:38,217
he said what was in his heart
and his mind.
1476
01:27:38,300 --> 01:27:41,803
It seems that
the White House was waiting for
1477
01:27:41,887 --> 01:27:44,097
some big name to speak out,
1478
01:27:44,181 --> 01:27:46,308
and Louis made his statement today,
1479
01:27:46,391 --> 01:27:48,727
and the troops were in Little Rock
the next morning.
1480
01:27:48,810 --> 01:27:52,898
After he'd made the statement,
he sent Eisenhower a wire saying that
1481
01:27:52,981 --> 01:27:56,151
"If you will go in with the troops,
I'll go with you."
1482
01:27:57,277 --> 01:27:58,987
That's little known, you know…
1483
01:28:00,030 --> 01:28:01,949
You know, it's a funny thing.
1484
01:28:02,032 --> 01:28:05,452
Nobody really stopped to really dig Pops,
and it's an unfortunate thing.
1485
01:28:05,536 --> 01:28:08,080
He felt it deeply. He really did.
1486
01:28:08,580 --> 01:28:10,582
A prophet is without honor
in his own country.
1487
01:28:10,666 --> 01:28:11,959
That's it.
1488
01:28:12,626 --> 01:28:14,211
Yes
1489
01:28:14,294 --> 01:28:15,295
Great.
1490
01:28:15,838 --> 01:28:18,465
We're gonna do this once more.
Louis, and say…
1491
01:28:18,549 --> 01:28:20,926
Set man free
1492
01:28:21,009 --> 01:28:22,469
-Me too?
-We-- No.
1493
01:28:22,553 --> 01:28:23,595
When they get through…
1494
01:28:23,679 --> 01:28:25,138
Set man free
1495
01:28:25,222 --> 01:28:30,102
They say I look like God
1496
01:28:30,185 --> 01:28:34,314
In the image of God
Created he them
1497
01:28:34,398 --> 01:28:37,734
Could God be Black?
1498
01:28:37,818 --> 01:28:40,195
My God
1499
01:28:40,279 --> 01:28:45,367
The Real Ambassadors.
It was meant to be a stage show.
1500
01:28:45,450 --> 01:28:49,454
And unfortunately,
it never made it to Broadway.
1501
01:28:50,247 --> 01:28:52,416
The tale of it was
1502
01:28:52,499 --> 01:28:57,462
that jazz represented America
in a very special way
1503
01:28:57,546 --> 01:29:02,134
and that jazz musicians
were the real ambassadors,
1504
01:29:02,217 --> 01:29:05,137
not politicians or speech makers.
1505
01:29:05,220 --> 01:29:07,931
Can it be?
1506
01:29:08,015 --> 01:29:09,558
Hallelujah
1507
01:29:09,641 --> 01:29:12,269
He brought the same thing
to every song he sang,
1508
01:29:12,352 --> 01:29:13,687
understanding the human condition.
1509
01:29:13,770 --> 01:29:16,190
Any kind of lyrics,
he could just imbue with that.
1510
01:29:16,690 --> 01:29:19,443
That understanding, it's like a--
It's a spiritual thing.
1511
01:29:19,526 --> 01:29:21,904
It's a depth and an insight.
1512
01:29:21,987 --> 01:29:26,575
He's watching all the Earth
1513
01:29:27,159 --> 01:29:31,288
The simple emotional impact of jazz
has cut through all kinds of barriers.
1514
01:29:31,371 --> 01:29:33,999
Louis Armstrong has become
an extraordinary kind of…
1515
01:29:34,082 --> 01:29:35,751
roaming ambassador of goodwill.
1516
01:29:35,834 --> 01:29:37,878
Well, you might say
he's America's ambassador with a horn.
1517
01:29:38,462 --> 01:29:41,715
I'm the real ambassador
1518
01:29:42,508 --> 01:29:47,346
It is evident I was sent
By government to take your place
1519
01:29:47,429 --> 01:29:49,348
All I do is play the blues
1520
01:29:49,431 --> 01:29:53,101
See, Jack, I think you're wrong
about me being the ambassador.
1521
01:29:53,185 --> 01:29:56,104
I think jazz is the ambassador.
1522
01:29:56,188 --> 01:30:00,734
Well, I might be the courier
that takes the message over there.
1523
01:30:00,817 --> 01:30:03,654
But it's jazz that does the talking.
1524
01:30:03,737 --> 01:30:07,658
My horn and me have traveled
from Sweden to Spain,
1525
01:30:07,741 --> 01:30:10,118
and when I played Berlin,
1526
01:30:10,202 --> 01:30:12,913
a lot of them cats jumped the iron fence
to hear old Satchmo.
1527
01:30:15,541 --> 01:30:18,669
Which proves
that music is stronger than nations.
1528
01:30:18,752 --> 01:30:20,754
I don't know much about politics,
1529
01:30:20,838 --> 01:30:23,090
but I know these people
in foreign countries
1530
01:30:23,173 --> 01:30:26,510
hear all kinds of things about America,
1531
01:30:26,593 --> 01:30:28,929
some good, some bad.
1532
01:30:29,012 --> 01:30:31,723
I'm pretty sure
what comes out of this horn
1533
01:30:31,807 --> 01:30:34,434
makes them feel better about us.
1534
01:30:35,394 --> 01:30:38,772
One thing is sure, they know
a trumpet ain't no cannon.
1535
01:30:41,066 --> 01:30:44,862
It ought to be possible
for American consumers of any color
1536
01:30:45,571 --> 01:30:49,825
to receive equal service
in places of public accommodation,
1537
01:30:50,325 --> 01:30:54,580
such as hotels and restaurants
and theaters and retail stores,
1538
01:30:55,330 --> 01:30:59,376
without being forced to resort
to demonstrations in the street.
1539
01:30:59,459 --> 01:31:01,253
When you return to the United States,
1540
01:31:01,336 --> 01:31:05,048
do you intend to take a more active part
in civil rights?
1541
01:31:05,132 --> 01:31:10,470
They have other people, politicians,
who take care of things like that.
1542
01:31:10,554 --> 01:31:16,768
And so the best I can do is,
put a little something in their till.
1543
01:31:16,852 --> 01:31:18,145
And that's my part.
1544
01:31:18,812 --> 01:31:22,608
That's the best I can do.
Because I love everybody.
1545
01:31:22,691 --> 01:31:25,235
I mean, the white people,
1546
01:31:25,319 --> 01:31:28,405
they're my greatest fans
all through the South.
1547
01:31:28,488 --> 01:31:32,409
We stay in the best hotels,
and they give us the best courtesies,
1548
01:31:32,492 --> 01:31:38,165
and my biggest audience is
people all over the United States.
1549
01:31:38,665 --> 01:31:41,251
So I can't abuse either one.
1550
01:31:42,085 --> 01:31:47,716
So I don't ignore
the march and the-- whatever it is.
1551
01:31:47,799 --> 01:31:52,095
I just do my little part
by putting a little money in my part.
1552
01:31:52,804 --> 01:31:55,265
Which some of them don't do, but I do.
1553
01:31:55,349 --> 01:31:57,643
You understand Pops? That's right.
1554
01:31:59,520 --> 01:32:03,440
"For me, if I'd be out somewhere
marching with a sign
1555
01:32:03,524 --> 01:32:05,776
and some cat hits me in my chops,
1556
01:32:05,859 --> 01:32:06,944
I'm finished.
1557
01:32:07,027 --> 01:32:10,072
A trumpet man gets hit in the chops,
and he's through.
1558
01:32:10,614 --> 01:32:13,784
If my people don't dig me the way
that I am, I'm sorry.
1559
01:32:14,451 --> 01:32:17,996
If they don't go along with me
giving my dough instead of marching…
1560
01:32:19,164 --> 01:32:21,375
Well, every cat's entitled to his opinion.
1561
01:32:22,084 --> 01:32:25,796
But that's the way I figure
I can help out and still keep working.
1562
01:32:25,879 --> 01:32:29,633
If they let me alone on this score,
I'll do my part in my way.
1563
01:32:29,716 --> 01:32:33,554
Pops, I come out of a part of the South
where it ain't no way in the world
1564
01:32:33,637 --> 01:32:35,556
you can forget you're colored.
1565
01:32:35,639 --> 01:32:38,267
My own mother went through hell
down there.
1566
01:32:38,350 --> 01:32:40,519
My grandma used to have tears in her eyes
1567
01:32:40,602 --> 01:32:43,689
when she'd talk about the lynchings
and all that crap.
1568
01:32:43,772 --> 01:32:48,026
Even myself, I've seen things
that would make my flesh crawl.
1569
01:32:48,735 --> 01:32:53,115
But it wasn't a damn thing I could do
about it and keep on breathing."
1570
01:32:53,699 --> 01:32:56,994
Louis, how much weight
have you lost? You're skinny as a rail.
1571
01:32:57,494 --> 01:32:59,663
Well, I don't know,
1572
01:32:59,746 --> 01:33:03,250
around 40, 45 pounds, like that,
in a couple of months.
1573
01:33:03,333 --> 01:33:05,794
Just took it easy, you know, and--
1574
01:33:05,878 --> 01:33:07,671
What'd you do about the wardrobe?
1575
01:33:07,754 --> 01:33:10,299
Well, I just got rid of it.
I mean, it was a pleasure.
1576
01:33:10,382 --> 01:33:12,467
You can't take them up but once.
1577
01:33:12,551 --> 01:33:15,012
So, I took it up once,
and it was still too big.
1578
01:33:15,095 --> 01:33:16,096
So that was it.
1579
01:33:17,973 --> 01:33:19,725
Mr. Armstrong, everybody calls you Louis,
1580
01:33:19,808 --> 01:33:21,268
-and I hope I can.
-Yes.
1581
01:33:21,351 --> 01:33:24,146
You've been very sick
the last couple of years. How you feeling?
1582
01:33:24,229 --> 01:33:28,317
Well, I feel fine now,
you know, and like the old saying,
1583
01:33:28,400 --> 01:33:29,776
"I've left it all behind me."
1584
01:33:29,860 --> 01:33:32,070
You went into
the intensive care unit twice.
1585
01:33:32,154 --> 01:33:33,363
Twice, yeah, yeah.
1586
01:33:33,447 --> 01:33:35,657
Did you think your life
was coming to an end?
1587
01:33:35,741 --> 01:33:38,660
A man going into intensive care twice,
1588
01:33:38,744 --> 01:33:40,704
you know, he's looking right at Gabriel,
1589
01:33:40,787 --> 01:33:41,788
and he's calling me.
1590
01:33:41,872 --> 01:33:43,832
He wants to blow a duet with me.
1591
01:33:45,250 --> 01:33:48,420
But I said, "No, daddy,
your union card ain't straight.
1592
01:33:48,504 --> 01:33:49,630
I better wait."
1593
01:33:51,965 --> 01:33:54,718
When I was in the Beth Israel Hospital,
1594
01:33:54,801 --> 01:33:58,430
boy, I got boxes and boxes of mail
1595
01:33:58,514 --> 01:34:01,016
from everywhere over the waters.
1596
01:34:01,099 --> 01:34:05,854
"Come on, Satch, get out of that bed
and come blow. We're waiting for you."
1597
01:34:06,772 --> 01:34:09,733
Hello, Louis. This is Enrico.
1598
01:34:10,526 --> 01:34:16,156
I hope you are getting better,
and we are all praying for you.
1599
01:34:16,240 --> 01:34:19,034
How many more years
do you think you'll be blowing that horn?
1600
01:34:19,117 --> 01:34:21,078
Well, I'll be blowing all my life.
1601
01:34:21,161 --> 01:34:23,205
I mean, that's the way it'll be, you know.
1602
01:34:23,288 --> 01:34:28,627
And I-- Even if I'll be teaching some kids
or something, I'll always be around music.
1603
01:34:28,710 --> 01:34:32,089
Satchmo, you've been everywhere
and done just about everything.
1604
01:34:32,172 --> 01:34:34,883
Is there anything you haven't done
that you'd like to do?
1605
01:34:34,967 --> 01:34:38,720
Yeah, keep living. I ain't finished yet.
1606
01:34:42,015 --> 01:34:44,184
I see trees of green
1607
01:34:46,937 --> 01:34:49,147
Red roses too
1608
01:34:50,148 --> 01:34:55,988
I see them bloom for me and you
1609
01:34:56,655 --> 01:35:00,325
And I think to myself
1610
01:35:02,077 --> 01:35:06,456
What a wonderful world
1611
01:35:10,377 --> 01:35:14,131
I see skies of blue
1612
01:35:14,214 --> 01:35:18,468
There's a zillion people who dug that tune
the way I did it when I felt it
1613
01:35:19,178 --> 01:35:23,557
because
there's so much in "Wonderful World"
1614
01:35:23,640 --> 01:35:29,188
that brings me back to my neighborhood
where I live in Corona, New York.
1615
01:35:29,771 --> 01:35:32,774
Lucille and I, ever since we married,
1616
01:35:32,858 --> 01:35:35,986
we've been right there in that block.
1617
01:35:36,069 --> 01:35:39,823
And everybody keeps their little homes up
like we do.
1618
01:35:39,907 --> 01:35:41,992
And it's just like one big family.
1619
01:35:42,075 --> 01:35:45,579
I saw three generations come up
in them blocks.
1620
01:35:45,662 --> 01:35:46,872
So that's why I can say,
1621
01:35:46,955 --> 01:35:52,336
I hear babies cry and
1622
01:35:52,419 --> 01:35:55,923
I've watched them grow
1623
01:35:56,006 --> 01:36:01,970
They'll learn much more
Than I'll ever know
1624
01:36:02,721 --> 01:36:05,766
And I think to myself
1625
01:36:07,809 --> 01:36:12,523
What a wonderful world
1626
01:36:15,359 --> 01:36:22,366
Yes, I think to myself
1627
01:36:23,659 --> 01:36:30,666
What a wonderful world
1628
01:36:33,752 --> 01:36:38,882
My doctor came to hear me blow,
and he was perfectly satisfied.
1629
01:36:38,966 --> 01:36:42,261
He examined me thoroughly
1630
01:36:42,344 --> 01:36:46,932
to see if my blowing affected
the old ticker, you know.
1631
01:36:47,015 --> 01:36:52,563
And the beats were perfectly normal.
1632
01:36:52,646 --> 01:36:55,774
Yeah.
1633
01:36:55,858 --> 01:36:59,653
Happy birthday to you
1634
01:37:00,153 --> 01:37:04,449
Happy birthday, dear Louis
1635
01:37:05,075 --> 01:37:10,372
Happy birthday to you
1636
01:37:10,455 --> 01:37:14,126
This is seven-- seventy steps.
1637
01:37:15,252 --> 01:37:17,379
And ten more steps, I'll be in heaven.
1638
01:37:20,132 --> 01:37:21,967
It had been my opinion
1639
01:37:22,050 --> 01:37:24,803
that Louis was gonna drop dead
on stage one day.
1640
01:37:25,387 --> 01:37:28,348
I didn't feel bad about that
because if he had to go, I think,
1641
01:37:28,432 --> 01:37:30,767
"What better way to go
than doing the thing you love to do?"
1642
01:37:39,276 --> 01:37:44,239
A lot of us would be very happy
to have accomplished
1643
01:37:44,323 --> 01:37:46,867
to the extent that he did
what we originally set out to do.
1644
01:37:47,659 --> 01:37:50,746
He had all the material things
that he needed, but more importantly,
1645
01:37:50,829 --> 01:37:54,499
he had the respect
and the love of millions of people.
1646
01:37:54,583 --> 01:37:57,836
I mean, literally millions,
all over the world.
1647
01:37:58,420 --> 01:38:00,214
What more could any man ask for?
1648
01:38:01,215 --> 01:38:06,512
The night Louis passed,
I had no idea, this man--
1649
01:38:06,595 --> 01:38:08,680
He disappointed-- He was doing so well.
1650
01:38:08,764 --> 01:38:10,307
It was a shock to me.
1651
01:38:10,390 --> 01:38:12,518
And he was telling me, he says,
"You know, I feel good."
1652
01:38:12,601 --> 01:38:14,478
He says,
"You know, I've got to get back to work."
1653
01:38:14,561 --> 01:38:20,692
So that's the mood Louis was in
on the 5th of July of 1971.
1654
01:39:06,321 --> 01:39:09,199
Music kept
Louis "Satchmo" Armstrong rolling
1655
01:39:09,283 --> 01:39:10,742
for 71 years,
1656
01:39:10,826 --> 01:39:14,454
until this morning when he died
in his sleep in his home in New York.
1657
01:39:14,538 --> 01:39:18,000
He had been battling heart
and kidney ailments for years.
1658
01:39:18,083 --> 01:39:20,878
We aren't saying goodbye to Louis tonight,
1659
01:39:20,961 --> 01:39:23,255
for a man's music does not die with him.
1660
01:39:23,338 --> 01:39:24,965
Certainly not this man's.
1661
01:39:25,048 --> 01:39:27,926
While we can only guess
how Beethoven played the piano
1662
01:39:28,010 --> 01:39:30,512
or Mozart conducted an orchestra,
1663
01:39:30,596 --> 01:39:34,641
the sounds of Louis singing, playing,
or just plain talking
1664
01:39:34,725 --> 01:39:37,311
will live as long as there is anyone
to listen.
1665
01:39:38,187 --> 01:39:41,690
Well, he was
a great artist and a very sweet man.
1666
01:39:42,524 --> 01:39:45,527
Down-to-earth, a lovely neighbor,
1667
01:39:46,945 --> 01:39:50,073
he was a regular,
and he just loved to be around people.
1668
01:39:50,157 --> 01:39:54,411
He was more of a friend
instead of celebrity in the neighborhood.
1669
01:40:03,045 --> 01:40:05,130
Bobby Hackett, learn anything from him?
1670
01:40:05,923 --> 01:40:08,634
To me, Pops was truly an immortal man.
1671
01:40:09,218 --> 01:40:11,887
And the truth of the matter is
that he will never die.
1672
01:40:12,471 --> 01:40:16,183
I think what he left will always be heard
all over the world and enjoyed,
1673
01:40:16,934 --> 01:40:21,021
and a very gentle reminder to everybody
to love thy neighbor
1674
01:40:21,104 --> 01:40:23,023
and cut out the nonsense.
1675
01:40:23,607 --> 01:40:25,359
He was a man that was beloved
1676
01:40:25,442 --> 01:40:28,320
with a certain depth and intensity
that you cannot fathom.
1677
01:40:28,820 --> 01:40:30,948
It was 'cause of how he touched people.
1678
01:40:49,800 --> 01:40:55,138
Well, folks, that was my life,
and I enjoyed all of it.
1679
01:40:55,722 --> 01:40:56,807
Yes, I did.
1680
01:40:57,432 --> 01:40:59,518
I don't feel ashamed at all.
1681
01:41:00,310 --> 01:41:06,233
My life has always been an open book,
so I have nothing to hide.
1682
01:41:07,025 --> 01:41:10,612
Bye-bye. Love aplenty.
1683
01:41:11,530 --> 01:41:17,578
Soul foodly, "Satchmo" Louis Armstrong.
1684
01:41:22,040 --> 01:41:24,334
This is one number I like to do, folks,
1685
01:41:24,418 --> 01:41:28,338
and it tells you a whole lot
about my life.
1686
01:41:28,422 --> 01:41:30,340
I can't tell it all, you know.
1687
01:41:30,424 --> 01:41:32,509
But let's give you a good synopsis.
1688
01:41:47,816 --> 01:41:54,031
When I was born long ago
1689
01:41:56,950 --> 01:42:01,997
July the 4th, 19-0-0
1690
01:42:04,458 --> 01:42:11,089
It was back of town in James Alley
1691
01:42:13,175 --> 01:42:18,889
A boy from New Orleans
1692
01:42:20,516 --> 01:42:27,231
When I was only five or so
1693
01:42:29,691 --> 01:42:34,905
Down Rampart Street I used to go
1694
01:42:36,949 --> 01:42:43,330
That's when I heard
The great King Oliver
1695
01:42:45,374 --> 01:42:51,255
Blowing jazz from New Orleans
1696
01:42:52,881 --> 01:42:56,677
Now folks, all these years…
1697
01:42:59,221 --> 01:43:00,973
I've had a ball.
1698
01:43:05,352 --> 01:43:07,312
Thank you, Lord.
1699
01:43:09,940 --> 01:43:11,692
And I thank you all.
1700
01:43:14,611 --> 01:43:18,240
You are very kind
1701
01:43:19,783 --> 01:43:23,161
To old Satchmo, yes
1702
01:43:24,496 --> 01:43:26,373
Nice looking boy, ain't he?
1703
01:43:27,332 --> 01:43:34,339
A boy from New Orleans
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