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To be fair, it can't be much fun
being a racist.
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You do all this stuff
with them students,
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milking it about
how much you've changed,
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how much of a better man
you are now, yet you thought
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exactly the same way as I did
when you were my age, didn't you?
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I'll tuck you in.
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What are you doing in bed with Dad?
I was tired, Matthew.
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I'm going to commit a murder
to begin a race war.
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Another MP, Rosie Cooper.
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I know who the informant is.
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It's this slug called Robbie Mullen.
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A lot of people
won't forget what he's done.
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The police are here.
It's about the boys.
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Someone's made a threat
against them.
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Listen, listen, look.
I'm... I'm leaving here now.
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Where were these images posted?
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We found them on a thread
in a mobile seized yesterday.
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We believe the original posts are
linked to National Action.
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I'm sorry. He's gonna have to go.
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That's it now.
We can't keep doing this.
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Robbie, this trial isn't
far off now, lad,
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and you're going to have
to demonstrate to the jury
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that you're not the same as Renshaw
and the others,
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that they can trust you,
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cos you're different from them.
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Is this some sort of test?
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Sticking me in the middle
of Nigeria,
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see how he handles it, yeah?
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You're scared, aren't you?
No!
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Cos you want me to stand up in court
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and tell everybody
that I'm a changed man and I'm not!
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Jack Renshaw, stand up.
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You've been found guilty
of four counts
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of inciting a child to engage
in sexual activities.
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You've displayed
not one shred of remorse
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and the defence you put forward,
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that your phone had been hacked,
was as lacking
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in evidence as it was credibility.
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These are very serious offences
against minors,
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and in one case,
a boy as young as 13,
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and society needs protection
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against predatory paedophiles
like you.
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I impose upon you a prison sentence
of 16 months.
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Take him down.
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Jack! We love you, son!
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INAUDIBLE
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16 months. It could have been worse.
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God, it's going to be
in the newspapers.
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The whole fucking world's
gonna read it.
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The judge ordered reporting
restrictions
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because of the upcoming trial
for the plan to kill the MP.
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No detail from this case
can be published
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until after that's taken place.
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What? So, they can't print it yet?
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We've got a bit of time.
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But the story will come out, Jack.
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KNOCK ON DOOR
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I've got to warn you,
it's a shithole in here.
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I live with four lads.
Yous all stink.
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All right, lad?
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{\an5}Yeah, I'm very well, thank you.
How are you?
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{\an5}Lovely. Yeah, what a beautiful day!
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Are you not going to eat that?
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I'm not hungry.
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Save it for later.
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How are you feeling?
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Been doing anything exciting?
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{\an5}Watching the telly?
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{\an5}Any boxsets you'd like to recommend?
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I haven't been watching much telly.
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I've just... just been
on the computer.
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What did you say?
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I've not been watching telly.
I've been on the computer.
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{\an5}You're being careful about what
websites you've been going on?
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HE SIGHS
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Robbie?
You're telling me what to do again.
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Yeah, I am telling you what to do,
yeah.
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{\an5}Because if you've been getting
in touch
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{\an5}with any of your old pals
from National Action
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{\an5}or if you've been looking
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at some kind of Combat 18 website
or the BNP
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or whatever right-wing shite
you used to look at,
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{\an5}then this trial will collapse
and you'll end up in prison.
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{\an5}Where we're from, most people end up
in prison anyway, don't they?
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Oh, what kind of comment's that, eh?
All right, come on.
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Wish I was going to prison
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instead of standing in court
grassing on people.
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Will you shut up
about being a grass?
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{\an5}Who are you trying to protect
anyway?
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{\an5}Jack Renshaw?
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{\an5}Because he's just been convicted
for grooming young boys.
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We've only got your word
for that though.
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You could be trying to trick us.
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Why would I wanna trick you?
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I don't know. Why wouldn't you?
Are you stupid or something?
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Stupid? Why am I stupid?
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You're an ungrateful little twat.
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Hey, that's enough!
Yeah.
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Yeah, all of this.
All of this?!
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Look at all this you've got here...
Look, will you pack it in?
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Please, the two of you,
you're worse than the boys!
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You, get in the shower.
Wash your hair!
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And you, you can get
the hoover out.
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I'm sorry
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if I sounded ungrateful before,
but...
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..I just don't like it.
It's full of Blacks and Asians.
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Rob, come on.
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I know I'm not supposed to say
things like that,
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but I can't help it.
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It's the way that I feel.
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Well, I know it looks bad but...
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No, what looks bad, lad,
is if you get caught out lying.
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At least if you tell the truth,
then no-one can trip you up.
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KNOCK ON DOOR
Are you expecting anyone?
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You're joking, aren't you?
Nobody else knows I live here.
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All right?
Yeah.
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Someone to see you, lad.
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Mill!
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Hello, baby!
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Hello! What you doing?
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B-b-b-b-b... Hello!
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Well, at least he's glad to see
someone. How is he anyway?
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Unhelpful, angry.
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Suspicious.
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Well, his usual jolly self then.
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This could be end of us,
you know that?
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I mean, if this all goes wrong,
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then our reputation
is shot to pieces.
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So, it all hangs
on a big, sulky racist from Widnes?
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It's not funny!
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She's got a point.
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You need to try and get out,
you know, meet people.
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What, round here?
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Yes, round here.
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It's not doing you any good sitting
in that flat all day by yourself.
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I've ruined my life, I know I have.
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You have not.
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What if they don't believe me,
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the jury?
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It's my word against theirs,
isn't it?
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Yeah, but you're telling the truth.
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I don't wanna do it any more.
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That's the truth.
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I just wanna go back
to the way things were before.
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Oi, what you playing at?
Get to the back of the queue, bruv!
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I'm not eating. I'm not eating.
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You all right, Chris?
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How... How's it going?
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I've been hearing whispers
about you.
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Look, they hacked my phone.
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They put all this stuff on it
to destroy my reputation.
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It's all fucking lies!
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I mean, they're making me out
like I'm some sort of paedo.
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Matthew Collins is behind it all.
He's trying to destroy me.
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This could make us all look bad.
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That won't happen.
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I promise you that won't happen.
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He's got a big day
in front of him tomorrow.
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Try and make him look respectable,
Shimmy.
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I'll do my best.
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Who's at the bar mitzvah?
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That's my grandson, Reuben.
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I'll be honest with you, Matthew,
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he's got it tough.
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Him and his sisters,
they go to the Jewish school.
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Whole place surrounded
by barbed wire.
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Hold still.
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Three security guards on the door.
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It's the same
with all the Jewish schools.
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That it should come to that, eh,
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in this day and age.
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Children having to cross barbed wire
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to go to school.
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He looks dapper, don't he?
Yeah.
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You look really handsome,
dead smart.
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How do you feel?
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Like a twat.
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Oh, no, like a used car salesman
or something.
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THEY LAUGH
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I wouldn't buy life insurance
off you. Stop it!
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Don't listen.
Robbie, you look great.
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You look like someone
who's doing the right thing.
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There he is!
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PROTESTORS SHOUT ANGRILY
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PROTESTORS SHOUT
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Hey.
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You all right?
So, listen, Matthew can't be here,
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not until you've both given
evidence,
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but he wanted me to tell you,
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you look better
without the bum fluff.
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ROBBIE CHUCKLES
Come on, you'll be fine.
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In here.
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Sorry, mate, can I help you?
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Are you connected to the case?
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I'm connected with the defence.
Oh, right.
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You know him?
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No.
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He's just trying to freak you out.
Come on, let's get you some tea.
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Court will rise.
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Members of the jury,
it will be alleged by the Crown
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that the defendants hold
extreme views.
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All of you, I suspect, hold views
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which could be described
as the very opposite of these.
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You're not racist,
you're not homophobic,
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you're not anti-Semitic.
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But it is not a criminal offence
in this country
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just to hold these views,
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however repulsive you feel
they might be.
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We live in a free society
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and the law tolerates
the holding of these opinions.
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Ladies and gentlemen, I appear
on behalf of the prosecution.
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Mr Atkinson, I'm going to ask you
to pause for a moment there,
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as we need to hear from Mr Jackson.
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What have you done?
My lord.
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I don't care any more.
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It's too late for me.
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Thank you, my lord.
I represent Mr Renshaw,
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and I would seek, with your leave,
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that you have him re-arraigned
on counts one and two.
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If this is how you wish to proceed.
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It is how I'm instructed,
Your Lordship.
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Jack Renshaw,
will you stand up, please?
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You are charged on count one
of this indictment
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of engaging in conduct
in preparation of a terrorist act,
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namely the murdering
of Rosie Cooper MP.
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Are you guilty or not guilty?
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Guilty.
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On count two, you are charged
with making a threat to kill.
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The particulars are
that, on July 1st, 2017,
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you made a threat to Robbie Mullen
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that you would kill
DC Victoria Henderson,
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intending that Robbie Mullen
would fear
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that said threat would
be carried out.
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Are you guilty or not guilty?
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Guilty.
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Renshaw's pleaded guilty
to the plots to kill.
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What? Guilty?
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Well, but does that mean
I don't have to give any evidence?
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It's all over or...?
Not quite, I'm afraid.
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They're all still on trial
for membership
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and Lythgoe's facing one count
of encouragement to murder.
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I reckon he's fallen on his sword
to try and bury all the paedo stuff.
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Stupid.
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He at least had a decent shot
at a defence,
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but now he's going
to end up with life imprisonment?
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He wants the headline to be
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"Fascist martyr prepared to kill
for the cause".
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And not "Fascist paedo trying
to have sex with young boys".
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What about Lythgoe and Hankinson?
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He's trying to take the heat
off them.
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Mr Atkinson, if you could pick up
from where you left off, please.
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My lord.
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These defendants stand before you,
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accused of their continuing
participation in National Action,
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a banned organisation
that sought actively through fear,
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intimidation and violence
to shape society
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in accordance with their beliefs.
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Mr Renshaw had purchased a machete
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with which to carry out his plan.
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The online marketing
for that particular item
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describes it as offering
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"19 inches of unprecedented piercing
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"and slashing power
at a market price".
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There is now no doubt,
after his guilty pleas,
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that Mr Renshaw planned the murders
of Rosie Cooper MP
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and Detective Constable
Victoria Henderson.
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The Crown's case is
that he was given permission
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to carry out the murder
of Rosie Cooper
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by the then leader
of National Action, Chris Lythgoe,
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in the name of that organisation.
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My lord, I call Robbie Mullen.
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HE SIGHS
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DOOR OPENS
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Mr Mullen, it's time.
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Place your right hand on the Bible
and read from the card.
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I... I swear by almighty God
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that the evidence I shall give
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shall be the truth, the whole truth
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and nothing but the truth.
280
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Could you confirm your name, please?
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Robbie Mullen.
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A little about you to start with,
Mr Mullen.
283
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Where in the country
did you grow up?
284
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Widnes, which is in the north-west.
285
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Your school days came
to somewhat of an abrupt end.
286
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An incident involving
you swearing at a teacher?
287
00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:08,960
Yeah.
288
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And you've drifted from job to job
since then,
289
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no real direction in your life?
290
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I suppose so.
291
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When did you join National Action?
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2015.
293
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The gentlemen sitting in the dock,
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are they all known to you
through that organisation?
295
00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:32,240
Yeah.
296
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My lord, could Mr Mullen speak up,
please? I couldn't hear his reply.
297
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Do try and project your voice
298
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to the back of the court, please,
Mr Mullen.
299
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Sorry.
300
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Yeah.
301
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You and they were all members
of the organisation before the ban?
302
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Yeah.
And were you all still members
303
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after the ban on National Action
at the end of 2016?
304
00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:58,040
Yeah.
305
00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:00,240
After the ban, did there come a time
306
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when you had contact
with Matthew Collins,
307
00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:05,720
who worked for the organisation
Hope Not Hate?
308
00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:07,600
Yeah.
For what reason?
309
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I couldn't tell you, really.
310
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I knew I just needed
to get out of there...
311
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My lord, I'm sorry, he has
a tendency to drop his head down,
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drop his voice down.
313
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Perhaps try moving a little closer
to the microphone please, Mr Mullen.
314
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Sorry.
315
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On page 20 of the bundle,
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we can see an email
you had screenshot-ed
317
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and forwarded to Matthew Collins.
318
00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:39,920
Yeah.
It was an encrypted email
319
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you'd received from Chris Lythgoe,
320
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where he was talking
about recruiting new members
321
00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:47,040
for National Action in towns
in the north-west.
322
00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:48,480
Er, yeah.
323
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Largely white towns, and other -
324
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his words -
"horrifically Paki-fied" towns.
325
00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:03,280
Yeah.
326
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Next page of the bundle,
another email,
327
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this one after National Action
had been banned.
328
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In it you ask Chris Lythgoe,
329
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"Are you staying leader
of the overall group?"
330
00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:16,800
And can you read his reply?
331
00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:20,880
"You're damn fucking right I am.
332
00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:24,520
"I'm the one person
with a clear picture
333
00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:26,880
"of where we're going long-term."
334
00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:33,400
So, in the period immediately after
the ban, Lythgoe remained in charge?
335
00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:35,160
Yeah.
336
00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:37,080
And Matt Hankinson?
337
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He was Chris's second-in-command.
338
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He handled security and stuff.
339
00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:49,880
And after the ban?
340
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Carried on like before.
341
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They both did.
342
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Let's turn our attention now
to the night of July 1st, 2017.
343
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Did Mr Renshaw say
why he was going to kill
344
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Rosie Cooper and Victoria Henderson?
345
00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:12,240
We believed, at first,
it was because he was depressed
346
00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:15,160
about going to prison
for his hate speeches.
347
00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:19,680
But I now know that it was also
because he'd been arrested
348
00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:22,440
for grooming young boys
and it was about to come out.
349
00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:24,840
What was Mr Lythgoe's demeanour
350
00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:27,480
as Mr Renshaw outlined his plans?
351
00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:30,160
He seemed happy.
352
00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:33,080
Smiling, nodding his head.
353
00:20:33,120 --> 00:20:36,160
Did he mention the Home Secretary,
Amber Rudd?
354
00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:37,640
Yeah.
355
00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:41,960
He said Jack should do her
instead of Rosie Cooper.
356
00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:44,080
And what did Mr Renshaw say?
357
00:20:44,120 --> 00:20:48,040
He said she'd be too well protected.
358
00:20:49,360 --> 00:20:52,000
Did Mr Hankinson say anything?
359
00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:55,360
Yeah. He said,
"You should do a synagogue."
360
00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:57,280
And I said there'd be kids there...
361
00:20:57,320 --> 00:20:58,960
My lord, again,
I didn't hear any of that.
362
00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:02,240
And I'm afraid it's not just volume.
He has quite a strong accent.
363
00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:04,200
I'm finding it difficult
to understand.
364
00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:08,320
Mr Mullen, once again,
I must ask you to speak up.
365
00:21:08,360 --> 00:21:11,320
If you mumble,
nobody can understand you.
366
00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:20,000
So, you said there might be children
in a synagogue,
367
00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:22,160
and what did Mr Renshaw say to that?
368
00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:27,680
He said, "All Jews are the same.
369
00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:31,120
"You don't class a rat by its age."
370
00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:34,560
He said, "Vermin is vermin."
371
00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:51,280
Mr Mullen, you made
a statement to the police
372
00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:53,880
describing yourself in 2015,
373
00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:55,920
at the point you joined
National Action,
374
00:21:55,960 --> 00:22:00,040
as a "bored young man looking
for some identity or path to take".
375
00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:01,560
Is that right?
376
00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:03,040
If you say so.
377
00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:05,240
It's not me saying so.
It's what you told the police.
378
00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:09,280
OK.
After leaving school,
379
00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:11,400
you were unemployed
and claiming sickness benefit
380
00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:13,800
for, erm... about four years?
381
00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:18,120
Yeah. I had a... a stomach problem.
382
00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:19,440
Were you sick?
383
00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:23,200
For about a year, on and off.
For one year.
384
00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:25,640
So, you accept
that for three of those four years,
385
00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:28,120
you were fraudulently
claiming benefits then?
386
00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:30,240
It weren't that simple.
387
00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:32,320
Sometimes, I was sick,
388
00:22:32,360 --> 00:22:35,480
and then I got better.
It came and went.
389
00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:38,280
Wearing your National Action hat,
390
00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:42,680
what would your reaction have been,
say, to a young Somali teenager
391
00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:45,480
arriving in this country,
going "on the sick",
392
00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:47,000
with false stomach problems,
393
00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:50,400
and fraudulently claiming
three years of benefits?
394
00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:54,840
Dunno.
395
00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:01,280
What did you think of the murder
of the MP Jo Cox?
396
00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:03,480
I thought the guy that did it was
a weirdo.
397
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:05,280
You were asked
in your police interview,
398
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:08,000
"Did you think she was a traitor?"
What did you answer?
399
00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:10,640
I don't remember.
400
00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:13,800
Well, I can tell you.
You said, "Yes."
401
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:15,480
So, I obviously did.
402
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:18,840
But does it say in that interview
what time I was talking about?
403
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:20,840
It doesn't really matter, does it,
Mr Mullen?
404
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:21,960
Well, it obviously does
405
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,080
because I was probably being asked
406
00:23:24,120 --> 00:23:27,400
what I thought about it
before she was killed and not after.
407
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:29,200
You regarded somebody like Jo Cox,
408
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:31,600
with her stance on immigration,
as a traitor, didn't you?
409
00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:35,200
Yeah, but that doesn't mean
I thought she deserved to be killed.
410
00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:39,080
Thank you, my lord.
No further questions.
411
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:45,360
Mr Mullen, as you know,
I appear for Christopher Lythgoe.
412
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:47,720
After your expulsion from school
413
00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:50,520
and a succession of dead-end jobs,
414
00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:53,800
you found being a member
of National Action exciting.
415
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,040
It gave you purpose.
There were finally people
416
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,360
in your life
that were listening to you.
417
00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:01,600
I suppose so.
418
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:03,600
You told the police
419
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:05,760
that the primary purpose
of National Action
420
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:08,920
was to start a race war
421
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:11,400
and to "take our country back".
422
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:14,600
Yeah.
So, that must mean
423
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,280
that, at that time,
you shared those same views?
424
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:19,200
I never said that I didn't.
425
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:21,080
Please speak up, Mr Mullen.
426
00:24:21,120 --> 00:24:24,040
I never said that I didn't share
those views.
427
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:26,160
Anti-Jew?
428
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:30,760
At the time, yeah.
429
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:32,240
Anti-Black?
430
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:33,800
Yeah.
431
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:36,360
Anti-Asian, anti any non-white?
432
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:38,080
Yeah.
433
00:24:38,120 --> 00:24:41,040
Homophobic?
You know what "homophobic" means?
434
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:42,320
Yeah.
435
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:45,760
WHISPERS: He's the best witness
the defence have got.
436
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:47,800
So, you were for a white Britain
437
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:51,160
by any means necessary,
including violence?
438
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:55,080
MUMBLES: Yeah.
439
00:24:55,120 --> 00:24:57,040
Again, we can't hear you.
440
00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:58,560
Yeah.
441
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:08,720
Are you still racist?
Remember, you are under oath.
442
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:13,320
Yeah.
443
00:25:13,360 --> 00:25:15,040
But less so.
444
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:22,440
Now, you say you didn't like the way
that things were working out
445
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,760
with National Action,
which is why you wanted to get out.
446
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,080
And yet, after the murder
of Jo Cox,
447
00:25:28,120 --> 00:25:29,880
after the organisation was banned,
448
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:34,120
you still continued
to attend meetings. Why is that?
449
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:38,480
It wasn't that easy to walk away.
Why not?
450
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:42,760
I'd spent a lot of time
with these people.
451
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:49,120
They were my friends.
452
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:52,120
Perhaps you were lonely?
453
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:55,640
In a way, yeah.
454
00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,840
A lonely drifter
with a dead-end life,
455
00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:03,360
in search of friendship
and approval.
456
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:07,600
No further questions.
457
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,080
Thank you, Mr Aylett.
Let's call it a day there
458
00:26:10,120 --> 00:26:12,840
and reconvene on Monday morning.
459
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,480
And the doctor said
you're getting stronger,
460
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:37,640
and the nurses are well happy
with you.
461
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,240
Said I'll be able to take you
for a little walk soon.
462
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:46,320
No. No, not just yet.
No, you can't have any Guinness yet.
463
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:50,360
Hello, Matthew.
464
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:53,840
All right, love?
465
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:57,120
I've got T-shirts
and clean underwear.
466
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,040
We hadn't been down
from Liverpool long.
467
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,720
Yours was the first friendly face
I remember.
468
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,560
You know, our kid blamed me
for me dad leaving, not you.
469
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,280
He said, because I told my mum
470
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:16,680
when I saw you and my dad in bed
together, then I was a grass...
471
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:20,800
..and it was my fault
that he left us.
472
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:24,680
I'm sorry.
473
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:28,000
I know now that my dad was to blame,
you know.
474
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,920
He was the adult.
You were so young.
475
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:40,520
You know your mum and dad's marriage
was over long before I came along.
476
00:27:42,360 --> 00:27:46,280
But I suppose I was responsible
for him moving out.
477
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:48,560
Why are you still washing his pants?
478
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,800
SHE CHUCKLES
479
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:53,760
I don't know.
480
00:27:56,120 --> 00:27:58,960
Did you ever meet anyone else?
481
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:05,360
Yeah. I married briefly to Ray.
482
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:11,000
He wasn't your dad.
483
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,040
He was very charismatic.
484
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:16,800
He still is.
485
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,320
I was in love with him.
486
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:31,960
Leona, I don't know how to say this.
487
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:38,920
I hated you when I was growing up.
488
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:41,800
OK.
489
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,040
And because you ran off with my dad
490
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:45,960
and split our house up...
491
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:50,280
..and because you were Black,
492
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:54,120
I used you as an excuse
to hate all Black people.
493
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:57,920
Well, to me,
yous were all to blame.
494
00:28:57,960 --> 00:28:59,760
You know, my head was so warped.
495
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,560
I was filled with so much anger
and so much hate, I...
496
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,440
..I joined the National Front.
497
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:10,320
Are you stupid?
498
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,600
No, no, I'm not.
No, Leona, honestly,
499
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,920
I don't think like that any more.
Look, I'm sorry, but...
500
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,040
it's not me.
Do you know what I mean?
501
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,800
I've spent so long
trying to put right what I did.
502
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:28,880
So, what do you want from me now?
503
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,080
Why are you telling me this?
504
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:38,920
You want forgiveness?
505
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:41,760
I think so.
506
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:43,520
OK.
507
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:46,800
I forgive you.
508
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:51,800
But what about everybody else?
509
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,760
SHE SCOFFS ANGRILY
510
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:21,400
Brenda?
511
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:22,920
'I checked in on Robbie at the flat.
512
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,040
'He's not there.'
Shit!
513
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,520
'Neighbour saw him Friday.
He's legged it to Widnes.'
514
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:30,120
Yeah. Yeah, that's definitely
where he's gone.
515
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:42,800
Is it that one?
Yeah.
516
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:51,560
Natalie?
517
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:53,600
I'm Matthew Collins.
I know who you are.
518
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:55,760
We've just come to ask Robbie
to come back to London
519
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:57,880
to continue giving his evidence.
He's not here.
520
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,640
Don't fuck about. We've driven
for over four hours to get here.
521
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:02,080
Sorry about that.
522
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:05,200
What's the point? None of them
believe a word I'm saying anyway.
523
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,880
Come back, lad. Renshaw's been
convicted now. All you got to do...
524
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,720
Stand there while they take the piss
out of me, my pathetic life,
525
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,720
the way I talk? It's not right,
what they're putting him through.
526
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:15,960
What the fuck has me
getting kicked out of school
527
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,240
or going on the sick
got to do with anything?
528
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:20,680
Robbie, come back.
529
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:22,920
I'm not coming back.
Stop being so fucking selfish!
530
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,880
You're behaving like a spoilt brat!
OK, come on.
531
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,360
No, look, there's people doing
everything they can for you.
532
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,480
I put my own family in danger
for you.
533
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,320
Now be a man and come back
and finish what you started!
534
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:35,080
Just fuck off!
No, you fuck off!
535
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:36,520
Matt, this isn't helping!
536
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:38,560
Look, he's got to finish this,
Natalie.
537
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:40,800
He doesn't have to do anything.
Now, please,
538
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,240
my brother's made his decision.
Please respect that.
539
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:50,800
Fucking waste of time that was,
wasn't it?
540
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:09,640
I don't care what they say, Robbie.
541
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:13,720
You're not the same
as them other boys on trial.
542
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:21,520
I think you're a good person.
543
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:27,160
Night-night.
544
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:39,840
Court will rise.
545
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:54,200
Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen.
We are ready to start.
546
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,480
MOBILE PHONE RINGS
547
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:04,000
Hello?
548
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:07,360
NICK: 'The court's in session.
No-one's seen him.'
549
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,400
OK, keep us posted.
550
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:14,440
He's not turned up.
551
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:16,240
What did you say?
552
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:18,120
He's not here.
553
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:31,040
Hey, mate.
554
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:32,600
All right.
555
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:34,200
I knew you'd turn up.
556
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:35,680
I see laughing boy's back.
557
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:39,680
Don't worry about it.
558
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:47,240
MOBILE PHONE RINGS
559
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:48,800
Hello?
560
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:50,840
'I'm with him now.
I told you not to worry.'
561
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:52,920
All right. Nice one, mate.
562
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:54,800
Thanks, ta-ra.
563
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:56,320
Right, we're back on.
564
00:33:57,920 --> 00:33:59,720
Do you wanna go across?
Yeah. All right.
565
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:01,480
I'll see you later.
See you in a bit, love.
566
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:04,760
And wasn't it the case that night,
Mr Mullen,
567
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,240
that Mr Lythgoe and Mr Hankinson
were both very drunk?
568
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:09,400
It didn't seem like they were to me.
569
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,720
When Mr Renshaw outlined his plans
that night,
570
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,720
how sure were you
that he was being serious?
571
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:17,120
100%.
572
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:18,880
And Mr Lythgoe's reaction?
573
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,680
He said something like,
"Don't fuck it up."
574
00:34:21,720 --> 00:34:23,160
Are you sure of that?
575
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,720
Could he not actually have said,
by way of comment,
576
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:27,360
"You'll only fuck it up"?
577
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:30,160
No. It was "Don't fuck it up".
578
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:33,440
You see now, I suggest that
that wasn't said, Mr Mullen.
579
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:35,000
Well, I suggest it was.
580
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:37,640
After National Action
581
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:39,120
had been banned...
INAUDIBLE
582
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:40,480
..and things started
583
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:42,560
to quieten down,
isn't it the case that you started
584
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:44,640
to look elsewhere for excitement?
585
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:46,560
No, that's not the truth.
586
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:49,280
You didn't want to go back to being
that bored young man
587
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,240
looking for an identity, did you?
Which is why you sexed up
588
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,240
what was actually said
in the pub that night...
589
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:55,360
That's ridiculous.
590
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:56,760
..so you had something exciting
591
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:58,640
to offer your new friends
at Hope Not Hate.
592
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,040
No.
Your friends who had sorted out
593
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:03,480
a flat for you and the ones who took
you on holiday to Dublin.
594
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:05,640
It wasn't like that.
Not a holiday holiday.
595
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,080
You had to give them something
nice and juicy, didn't you?
596
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:11,480
Because they were the ones that were
listening to you now, weren't they?
597
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:13,440
I don't know
what you're going on about.
598
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:16,800
I'm not making anything up.
I heard what I heard.
599
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,040
And you weren't there,
were you, mate?
600
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,840
No further questions, my lord.
601
00:35:23,240 --> 00:35:25,760
Thank you, Mr Mullen.
Is that it?
602
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:29,280
Yes, you may stand down.
603
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,520
PROTESTORS SHOUT ANGRILY
604
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:38,360
Jack Renshaw is a hero!
605
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,480
He's a nonce, mate, and he got
exactly what he deserved, yeah!
606
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,200
My lord, I call Jack Renshaw.
607
00:35:45,240 --> 00:35:47,440
In the pub that night,
were you seeking permission
608
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,360
from Chris Lythgoe
and National Action
609
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:51,080
to do what you had in your mind?
No.
610
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:54,920
Did he ever say to you,
when you'd revealed your intentions,
611
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:56,120
"Don't fuck it up"?
612
00:35:56,160 --> 00:36:00,160
No. That sounds like the workings
of Mullen's fantasy.
613
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:03,040
Were you drunk when you arrived
at the pub that night?
614
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:07,000
Yes. I was intoxicated
and I was in a poor mental state.
615
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:12,120
We were all very drunk,
but Chris is very similar to me,
616
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:15,080
in the sense that we don't normally
show that we're drunk.
617
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:17,360
You know, we talk more, talk louder,
618
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:21,120
but, well, physically,
we don't particularly look drunk.
619
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,800
Thank you, Mr Renshaw.
Could you wait there, please?
620
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,920
Mr Renshaw,
is it your hatred of the Jews
621
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:34,000
what led you
into extreme right-wing politics?
622
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:35,640
Because you hate them, don't you?
623
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:37,920
Yeah, I do.
Do you accept
624
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,240
that there were gas chambers?
No.
625
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:46,040
Do you accept the holocaust,
that millions of Jews were killed
626
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,240
by the Nazis during World War II?
627
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:51,160
No, I do not.
Where did they all go then?
628
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:55,120
Most of them were put
into concentration camps,
629
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:58,960
but if you look at the statistics
of Jews prior to the war
630
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:00,680
and Jews after the war,
631
00:37:00,720 --> 00:37:03,440
the Jewish population
actually increased.
632
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:10,960
So, what was your plan?
633
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,200
What were you going to do
with this machete?
634
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,320
I hadn't really thought it through.
635
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:20,480
Chop Rosie Cooper's head off?
636
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:22,720
Through the heart, or what?
637
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:25,200
Probably the jugular.
638
00:37:25,240 --> 00:37:27,760
And what were you going to do
with this machete on the jugular?
639
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:29,160
Hack at it.
640
00:37:30,720 --> 00:37:33,200
You said earlier you couldn't
really remember anything
641
00:37:33,240 --> 00:37:35,120
that had happened at the pub
that evening?
642
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:37,800
Just snippets.
Just snippets.
643
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,080
But do we understand those snippets
to include
644
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:42,880
that you can remember Mr Hankinson
did not mention the synagogue
645
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:44,960
as somewhere
you might attack instead?
646
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,080
That's right.
And you can clearly remember
647
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:51,320
that Mr Lythgoe did not say,
"Make sure you don't fuck it up"?
648
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,200
Yeah, because that's just
not something he would say.
649
00:37:54,240 --> 00:37:56,120
Those snippets, by chance,
you remember -
650
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:57,560
the ones that help your friends.
651
00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:59,320
Curious that the rest
of the conversation
652
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:02,320
you were too drunk to remember.
Is it that you're trying
653
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:05,920
to protect your friends, Mr Renshaw?
654
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:09,400
Is that why you're standing
there now, lying to the jury?
655
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:15,720
I haven't lied.
656
00:38:21,240 --> 00:38:24,400
PROTESTORS SHOUT AGGRESSIVELY
657
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:30,960
SHOUTING CONTINUES
658
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:50,120
Are you all right, Bren?
659
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:52,800
You just make sure you do
the fucking business in there, yeah?
660
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:59,120
That's the twat
who's giving Robbie grief.
661
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:00,640
Is he?
Yeah.
662
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:03,040
He's been staring him out,
trying to intimidate him.
663
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,680
Hey, gobshite, why don't me and you
go for a little walk
664
00:39:07,720 --> 00:39:09,040
after this, eh?
Any time.
665
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:11,120
Yeah, any time.
Ready when you are.
666
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:15,440
Mr Collins,
667
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,520
at one point you, yourself,
were a mole, weren't you?
668
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:19,720
That's right, yeah.
669
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:21,720
Er... I was a member
of the National Front
670
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:23,480
and then the BNP.
671
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:27,400
I was passing information
to an anti-fascist magazine.
672
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,360
How did you first come into contact
with Robbie Mullen?
673
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,120
He wrote to me under a false name.
674
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:36,600
You know, it was pretty clear that
he felt trapped at National Action.
675
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:38,640
It was like he was in a cult
and he wanted out.
676
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,520
Did he ever ask for any money
for the information he gave you?
677
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:43,080
No, none.
678
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:44,680
Thank you.
679
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:49,520
You took Mr Mullen on holiday,
didn't you, to Dublin?
680
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:51,880
I wouldn't exactly call it
a holiday.
681
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:55,000
He needed a breather.
To be honest with you, we both did.
682
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:58,920
Well, the situation was very tense
at the time.
683
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,880
Was that as a reward for coming up
with some juicy titbits
684
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:03,360
for your website
685
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:04,960
and Hope Not Hate magazine?
686
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,480
No. We felt like we had
a duty of care towards him,
687
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:10,320
you know, both for his physical
and mental wellbeing.
688
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:12,720
Well, because, as you said,
you'd been there yourself.
689
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,720
All those years ago,
that anti-fascist magazine had paid
690
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:19,080
for an air ticket for you
to Australia, hadn't it?
691
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:20,720
That's right, they did, yeah.
692
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:24,480
Yeah, but there's a big difference
between me and Robbie Mullen.
693
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:27,160
You see, I ran off to Australia
694
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:28,920
rather than be called up to face
any trial
695
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:32,280
because I didn't want to be accused
publicly as an informant.
696
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:35,800
You know, I didn't wanna be called
a grass.
697
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,320
You see, me and Robbie come
from a similar background
698
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:39,960
and we both know what that means.
699
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:41,400
But he's got the courage
700
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:43,800
to come back and face the people
he's accusing.
701
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:45,640
Very commendable, I'm sure.
702
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:47,720
No, what I'm saying is...
Thank you, my lord.
703
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:52,840
What I'm saying is Robbie Mullen's
a better man than me.
704
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,160
Court will rise.
705
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:07,480
Foreman of the jury,
706
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:10,360
have you reached verdicts
upon which you are all agreed?
707
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:12,000
Yes.
708
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:15,600
Will the defendants please rise?
709
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:24,280
On count three,
encouragement to commit murder,
710
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:27,480
do you find the defendant,
Christopher Lythgoe,
711
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:29,800
guilty or not guilty?
712
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:34,280
Not guilty.
713
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:39,840
On count four, membership
of a proscribed organisation,
714
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:43,280
contrary to Section 11
of the Terrorism Act,
715
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:48,280
do you find the defendant,
Jack Renshaw, guilty or not guilty?
716
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:51,320
Not guilty.
717
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:57,680
On the same count, membership
of a proscribed organisation,
718
00:41:57,720 --> 00:42:00,840
do you find the defendant,
Matthew Hankinson,
719
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:03,720
guilty or not guilty?
720
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:05,400
Guilty.
721
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:11,040
On the same count, membership
of a proscribed organisation,
722
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:14,000
do you find the defendant,
Christopher Lythgoe,
723
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:16,320
guilty or not guilty?
724
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:21,200
Guilty.
725
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:31,320
The idea that this country should be
purged of its ethnic minorities,
726
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:33,000
its Jews and homosexuals,
727
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:37,400
and an ideological revolution
imposed on the population by force,
728
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:40,600
is both insidious and evil.
729
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:44,520
Only a moment's thought is required
to come to the conclusion
730
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:46,760
that violence and repression
731
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:49,240
on an unprecedented scale
would be needed
732
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:50,960
to achieve such a reign of terror,
733
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:55,520
because so many right-minded people
would rise up
734
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:58,680
and oppose these monstrous plans.
735
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:08,320
HE KNOCKS ON DOOR
736
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:16,440
All right? Come in.
You OK?
737
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,080
Thanks for looking after him
during the trial.
738
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:21,680
Well, he did that himself.
739
00:43:21,720 --> 00:43:24,000
Nobody can persuade him
to do anything he don't want to.
740
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:26,360
All right.
741
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:28,480
Ah, ta.
742
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:32,320
Ooh.
743
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:37,560
So, go on, then.
744
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:40,000
What did they get?
745
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:45,600
Renshaw got life
with a minimum term of 20 years.
746
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:49,880
Lythgoe got eight
and Hankinson got six.
747
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:56,840
Rosie Cooper, the MP,
she thanked you at the trial.
748
00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:00,600
She gave a statement, saying how
grateful she was for what you did.
749
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:04,040
She's supposed to be meeting us
at the House of Commons today.
750
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:05,480
That's why I came down here, but...
751
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:07,400
I was going to go along with you,
wasn't I?
752
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:09,680
Mm.
Then why aren't yous going?
753
00:44:09,720 --> 00:44:11,880
Well, the police cancelled it
this morning,
754
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,680
and they told her
she can't meet with Robbie.
755
00:44:14,720 --> 00:44:17,080
Why can't they just leave it be, eh?
756
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:19,720
My mum's got Ellie and I wanted
to do some shopping afterwards.
757
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:21,320
I was looking forward to it.
758
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:24,320
That's what happens to people
like us, innit?
759
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:27,680
Right, get your coat.
760
00:44:27,720 --> 00:44:29,600
What?
We're going shopping, come on!
761
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:32,080
We'll get the tube into town.
Are you coming, Robbie?
762
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:33,520
Absolutely not!
763
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:35,240
Are you sure?
764
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:37,600
Right.
765
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:40,880
I'll see you later.
Have fun. See you later.
766
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:42,760
See you later, love.
Cheers.
767
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,440
Don't spend too much money!
ALISON LAUGHS
768
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:48,640
You don't fancy that, lad, no?
No!
769
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:52,240
I can't think of anything worse,
myself.
770
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:57,440
I don't think they believed a word
I said, did they...
771
00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:59,280
the jury?
772
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:01,040
I told you they wouldn't.
773
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:03,520
Well, we got the guilty convictions
we needed, didn't we?
774
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:06,120
Got a couple of non-guilties too,
though.
775
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:09,240
Well, either way,
they're all in prison, aren't they?
776
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,840
Look, you stopped two women
from getting murdered.
777
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,040
Never forget that.
778
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:22,080
You know, the best bit of the trial
for me, Rob,
779
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:25,440
was when they asked you
was you still a racist...
780
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:29,360
..and you said, "Less so."
781
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:33,080
You know, it's not just all
about people like me
782
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:34,760
being struck by bolts of lightning
783
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,280
and suddenly seeing the world
differently.
784
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:40,600
It's about people like you...
785
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:44,160
..changing just a little bit.
786
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:51,880
You know, in the words
of the late, great Robert Nesta,
787
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:56,240
"We all have a voice inside us
that talks to us
788
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:59,280
"and that's the voice
we must listen to.
789
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:01,720
"Because in everything you do,
790
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:04,480
"there's a right way
and a wrong way.
791
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:06,560
"And if you listen good,
792
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,040
"you'll know the right way."
793
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:12,600
"Less so."
794
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:17,640
I'll have that, lad.
That's progress.
795
00:46:22,720 --> 00:46:25,080
Jo Cox.
Thank you, Mr Speaker.
796
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:28,000
It's a great privilege to be called
to make my maiden speech
797
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:31,760
in this most important of debates,
and I congratulate many others
798
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,280
who've made outstanding
maiden speeches today as well.
799
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:44,880
Batley and Spen is a gathering
of typically independent,
800
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:48,520
no-nonsense, proud Yorkshire towns
and villages.
801
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:51,920
Our communities have been
deeply enhanced by immigration,
802
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:54,440
be it Irish Catholics
across the constituency,
803
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:59,240
or Muslims from Indian Gujarat or
Pakistan, principally from Kashmir.
804
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:09,200
And whilst we celebrate
our diversity,
805
00:47:09,240 --> 00:47:11,720
the thing that surprises me,
time and time again,
806
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:15,120
as I travel around the constituency,
is that we are far more united
807
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:18,000
and have far more in common
than that which divides us.
808
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:30,000
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