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- All�right.
- I�gotta�tell�you,
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I'm�real�proud�to�introduce
this�next�artist
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00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:32,200
Ladies�and�gentlemen,
Sin�ad�O'Connor.
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00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:39,920
Thank�you.
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I�didn't�mean
to�be�strong.
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00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:10,480
I�did�suffer�through�a�lot
because�everybody�felt
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00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:16,080
I�regret�that�I�was
so�sad�because�of�it.
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00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:20,080
I�regret�that�I�spent
so�many�years
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00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:32,280
Ran�down
And�the�lady�said�it
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00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:44,800
Got�burned�down,�ooh
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Oh,�oh,�Jerusalem
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00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:02,480
Oh,�oh,�Jerusalem
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00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:23,040
There�was�no�therapy
when�I�was�growing�up.
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00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:36,120
Everybody�in�music�has�a�story
in�terms�of�their�upbringing
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00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:48,480
There's�something�they�need
to�get�off�their�chest,
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00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:51,280
They're�all,�they're�all
looking�at�you,�Sin�ad,
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00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:52,800
out�there�in�television�land.
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00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:53,880
They're�saying�"Mother�of�God,
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00:03:53,920 --> 00:04:26,400
what�did�she�do�with�her�head?
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00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:28,240
That's�a�bit
exaggerated�actually.
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00:04:28,280 --> 00:04:33,960
That's�in�one�year,�of�course.
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00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:58,840
Some�scarlet�ribbons
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and�I�was�like,�"Oh,�my�God."
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00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:13,240
and�makes�me�want
to�be�a�musician,
25
00:05:13,280 --> 00:05:17,160
and�makes�me
want�to�be�an�artist,
26
00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:19,560
because�of�the�song
"Gotta�Serve�Somebody."
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00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:22,320
And�I�was�obsessed
with�Bob�Dylan�from�then�on.
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00:05:31,840 --> 00:05:34,840
My�mother�had�this
fantastic�record�collection
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00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:38,640
which�she�would�spread�out
on�the�dining�room�table
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00:05:41,280 --> 00:05:48,360
Her�musical�tastes
ranged�from�John�Lennon
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00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:52,720
right�through�to,�like,
Porgy�and�Bess.
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That�was�all�that
was�ever�on�telly,
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was�these�just�high�class
musicals,�you�know.
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00:06:01,840 --> 00:06:06,240
My�father�was�into�cello,
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00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:12,880
My�parents�separated
when�I�was�quite�young,
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00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:16,160
and�my�mother
was�a�very�violent�woman,
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not�a�healthy�woman
mentally�at�all.
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And�she�was�physically
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and�I�was�able�to�soothe�her
with�my�voice,
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00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:44,280
My�father�is�the�type
of�man�that�didn't�want
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00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:45,920
It�wasn't�talked�about,
even�in�the�family.
42
00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:52,160
The�cause�of�my�own�abuse
was�the�church's�effect
43
00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:56,720
on�this�country,
which�had�produced�my�mother.
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00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:04,760
I�spent�my�entire�childhood
being�beaten�up
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00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:08,320
under�which�my�mother�grew�up
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and�under�which�her�mother
and�her�mother�grew�up.
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00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:17,120
I�would�compare�Ireland
to�an�abused�child.
48
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I'd�a�terrible
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I'd�a�terrible
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Broken�heart...
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that�they�were�using
to�oppress�my�people.
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00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:54,480
Why�were�my�grandparents
so�miserable
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00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:58,360
that�they�couldn't�have�a�kiss
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00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:22,800
The�church
influenced�everything.
55
00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:35,160
It�affected
every�level�of�society.
56
00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:38,840
It�was�a�mortal�sin
to�eat�meat�on�a�Friday.
57
00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:41,640
You�could�go�to�hell�for
eating�a�sausage�on�a�Friday.
58
00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:45,440
Everything�was�gathered�around
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00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:48,360
the�power�of�the�church
over�its�people.
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00:08:51,000 --> 00:09:01,680
I�had�loved
the�Catholic�church,
61
00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:07,040
That�was�a�contract
with�the�holy�spirit�I�made,
62
00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:26,640
I�went�into�care�when�I�was�14,
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00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:33,280
I�was�a�bit�messed�up.
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I�was�unmanageable,�really,
so�they�didn't�want�me�at�home.
65
00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:45,200
The�place�was�called
"An�Grianan,"
which�means�"The�Sunrise."
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00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:52,720
An�Grianan�was
a�residential�training�centre
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00:09:55,640 --> 00:10:01,960
The�girls�came
from�mixed�backgrounds.
68
00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:05,280
Others�had�come�from
insecure�family�settings
69
00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:07,480
and�they�needed�somewhere
where�there�was�structure
70
00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:09,680
and�safety�for�a�few�years.
71
00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:16,000
They�got
a�guitar�teacher�in
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00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:20,720
who�I�still�know
and�I�still�talk�to
now�and�then.
73
00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:31,120
The�first�night,�I�was�there
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00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:34,640
because�we�were�just�stunned.
75
00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:39,520
We�needed�to�encourage�her
in�this�wonderful�talent.
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00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:45,720
Ooh,�I'm�freezing!
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00:10:53,240 --> 00:11:01,320
When�we�decided
to�get�married,
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00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:22,120
One�love
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00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:25,320
- It�was�stunning.
- It�was�absolutely�stunning.
80
00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:39,000
In�the�congregation
was�her�brother,�Paul�Byrne,
81
00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:48,520
We�were
searching�for�a�singer.
82
00:11:48,560 --> 00:12:00,280
After�chatting�with�Sin�ad
on�the�steps�of�the�church,
83
00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:09,600
So�we�went�back�up
the�next�night
and�she�sang�it�to�us,
84
00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:18,240
We�had�to�book
a�couple�of�hours
on�a�Wednesday�afternoon
85
00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:34,000
Picked�her�up,�did�two�hours
of�vocals�with�her,
86
00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:42,920
the�nun,�she�could
be�terribly�kind,
87
00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:52,480
She�sent�me�to�sleep
in�the�hospice�part
of�the�laundry
88
00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:55,000
When�I�went�up,�there�was
no�staff�there�with�the�ladies.
89
00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:59,880
There�was�never
any�nuns�or�nurses.
90
00:12:59,920 --> 00:13:04,960
were�lying�in�their�beds
calling�out�for�nurses
all�night
91
00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:07,320
I�didn't�know�what�to�do,
and�obviously,�I�was�terrified.
92
00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:20,960
Take�my�hand
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00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:41,960
These�women,
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00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:54,360
Very�often�the�cases�were
they�had�been�raped
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00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:58,320
They�had�to�pay�the�price
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00:13:58,360 --> 00:13:59,640
and�were�locked�away
for�their�whole�lives.
97
00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:13,640
The�whole�of�Ireland
talks�about�these�ladies,
98
00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:22,080
These�people�convinced�my
father�that�they�could�help�me
99
00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:31,680
with�whatever
behavioural�issues�I�had
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00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:39,400
The�problems�were�compounded.
101
00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:42,760
My�father,�I'm�sure
the�world�would�acknowledge,
102
00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:49,400
Young�woman
With�a�drink�in�her�hand
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00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:59,760
She�liked�to�listen
To�rock�and�roll
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00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:03,840
'Cause�it�never�gets�old
105
00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:10,600
Sin�ad
and�I�met�when�we�were
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00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:17,320
We�were�very�close
for�a�number�of�years
107
00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:29,360
She�really�wanted
to�be�doing�her�music.
108
00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:33,640
I�put�an�ad
in � Hot�Press � magazine
109
00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:38,760
that�I�was�a�singer
and�I�wanted�to
find�a�band�to�join.
110
00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:50,480
doing�auditions�for�these
various�different�bands.
111
00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:53,240
I�had�a�job�at�the�Bad�Ass�Cafe
on�Crown�Alley,
112
00:15:53,280 --> 00:16:00,640
and�we�used�to�rehearse
right�across�the�road�from�it.
113
00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:07,040
Nigel�Grainge�and�Chris�Hill
came�over�to�Dublin
114
00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:26,120
He�said,�"Well,
why�don't�you�come�to�London
115
00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:54,120
For�five�long�years
116
00:16:55,800 --> 00:17:09,240
But�I�found�out
117
00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:14,000
You�treated�me�mean
118
00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:17,000
Oh,�you�treated�me�cruel
119
00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:31,120
I�worked�with�Sin�ad
from�her�arrival�in�London
120
00:17:35,120 --> 00:17:39,760
Our�job�as�a�sort�of�group
of�musicians�from�the�outset
121
00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:44,200
She'd�already�found�her�voice,
122
00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:48,160
that�she�wanted�to�wrap
around�that�amazing�voice.
123
00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:51,440
What's�it�called?
124
00:17:51,480 --> 00:18:00,960
So�we�went�into
a�rehearsal�studio�in�Putney
125
00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:02,520
and�rehearse�for�a�long�time.
126
00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:18,200
Nigel�Grange�was�the�head
of�Ensign�at�the�time.
127
00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:27,280
I'm�just�as�guilty�as�you
128
00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:46,360
The�first�time
I�heard�Sin�ad's�voice,
129
00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:51,680
And
130
00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:57,240
I'm�just�as�guilty�as�you
131
00:19:01,360 --> 00:19:05,160
You�often
hear�artists�saying
132
00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:19,640
I�think�actually
you're�channelling�yourself.
133
00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:22,800
There�were�kind�of�songs
to�help�her,�to�heal�her.
134
00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:29,840
In�some�respects,
I�think�the�band�that�we�were,
135
00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:33,880
the�band�of�musicians
who�were�around�her,
136
00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:36,640
We�were�safe.
137
00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:51,560
Fachtna�O'Ceallaigh�had�been
Boomtown�Rats'�manager
138
00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:07,520
where�he�had
his�friend�Lepkey,�and�Leroy.
139
00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:14,360
Bearing
in�mind�I'm�Irish
140
00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:17,440
and�I've�come
from�the�theocracy,
141
00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:26,520
roaring�about�the�Pope
is�the�devil,
142
00:20:33,360 --> 00:20:37,840
Love�to�everyone.�You're�back
in�tune�to�The�Rankin'�Miss�P,
143
00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:40,680
on�DBC,�the�Dread
Broadcasting�Corporation,
144
00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:44,520
103.8�every�Friday.
145
00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:48,480
We're�electric,�y'all.
146
00:20:56,680 --> 00:21:11,280
She�was�really�shy
147
00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:12,720
just�being�kids,�to�be�honest.
148
00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:23,840
Ensign�wanted�Sin�ad
to�be�a�musical�commodity.
149
00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:34,200
They�wanted�me
to�grow�the�hair�long
150
00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:37,280
there�used�to�be�riots
in�the�streets�over�plays.
151
00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:40,640
That's�what�art�is�for.
152
00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:46,960
That�led�to�her�deciding
to�shave�off�all�her�hair.
153
00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:18,080
At�the�time,�I�was
her�closest�female�friend.
154
00:22:18,120 --> 00:22:21,880
You�got�to�look
through�the�letter�box,
155
00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:26,480
I�looked�through�the�letterbox
and�there�she�was
156
00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:40,440
The�label�were
trying�to�brand�Sin�ad
157
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:47,960
You�just�looked�at
somebody�and�went,
158
00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:54,680
It's�a�powerful�statement
for�a�woman�because�she�says,
159
00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:02,040
Me�and�John
were�friends�for�a�year
160
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,480
before,�you�know,�we�ever
went�out�with�each�other.
161
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:08,080
We�were�both�going�out
with�different�people
and�everything.
162
00:23:08,120 --> 00:23:09,680
and�then�within�a�month
I�was�pregnant.
163
00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:15,400
The�record�companies
in�those�days
had�their�own�doctors
164
00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:24,320
that�they�sent�you�to.
165
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:32,840
Ensign�tried
to�dissuade�her
166
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:41,160
and�thankfully,�she
obviously�stood�her�ground,
167
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:48,400
That�was
the�final�straw�for�me.
168
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:53,680
There�was�a�big�fallout.
169
00:23:53,720 --> 00:24:07,040
Fachtna�O'Ceallaigh
was�working�very�hard
170
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:13,200
telling�me�I�owe�it�to�them
to�not�have�my�baby.
171
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:28,040
I�just�knew�that�I�didn't
want�any�man�telling�me
172
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:31,680
and�I�didn't�take
it�from�my�daddy,
173
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:33,240
Can�I�do�two?
174
00:24:44,120 --> 00:24:52,400
The�whole�of
"The�Lion�and�the�Cobra"
175
00:24:52,440 --> 00:25:05,000
The�second�version�was�fresher,
younger,�and�spontaneous.
176
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:13,880
Hands,�gimme�love
177
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:23,160
Hands,�gimme�those
178
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,760
I�want�your
179
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:30,240
Gimme,�yes
180
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,680
Gimme�this
181
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:44,360
When�we�got
the�first�album�cover,
182
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:54,240
Put�on�the�album�and�got�me
to�scream�along�with�the�album.
183
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:57,960
because�it�was�too
aggressive-looking
184
00:25:58,000 --> 00:25:59,360
I�didn't�realize
that�they'd�have�to�do
185
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:06,400
a�different�one�for�America.
186
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:26,120
You�know,�that�would
scare�too�many�people.
187
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:31,680
this�little�girl�with�her
bald�head�and�her�big�belly,
188
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:35,360
I�think�her�image
screamed�more�than�feminism,
189
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:37,080
beyond�feminism�at�the�time.
190
00:26:37,120 --> 00:26:46,280
I�think�it�was�just
like�non-binary,
191
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:51,040
Her�fashion�sense�was�like
35�years�ahead�of�the�time.
192
00:26:53,400 --> 00:27:03,120
People�found�it
problematic�just�because
193
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,360
but�actually�the�beauty
of�her�features,
194
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:16,240
the�quality�of�her�eyes,
195
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:22,440
Anytime�I�worked
with�John�Maybury,
196
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:27,080
The�set�makers,�stylists,
the�makeup�people,�you�know,
197
00:27:27,120 --> 00:27:34,080
and�they�like
genuinely�adored�me.
198
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:44,040
I�felt�so�safe
and�looked�after.
199
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:11,400
She�recognized
in�us�kind�of�a�sense�of
200
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,440
And�she�was�free�to�be�who
she�wanted�to�be�within�that
201
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:21,720
because�everyone�else�was�free
to�be�who�they�wanted�to�be.
202
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:26,440
They�were�so�inspiring
and�still�are�to�me,
203
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,080
You�couldn't
do�that�in�Ireland.
204
00:28:30,120 --> 00:28:31,680
You'd�have�the�shit�kicked
out�of�you,�you�know?
205
00:28:35,120 --> 00:28:42,240
Let�me�live
'neath�your�spell
206
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:45,880
That�you�do�so�well
207
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:52,400
For�you�do
208
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:56,600
Something�to�me
209
00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:11,600
That�nobody�else
210
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:19,040
Can�do
211
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:43,640
Why�I�like�performing
and�why�I�like�singing�loud
212
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:53,240
At�the�end�of�my�day
213
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:58,760
Than�I�find�that�you're�there
When�I�wake
214
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:07,680
Just�like�you
Said�it�would�be
215
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:11,920
Just�like�you
Said�it�would�be
216
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,520
Just�like�you
Said�it�would�be
217
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:29,920
Will�you�be�my�lover?
218
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:38,240
There�are�a�lot
of�songs�that�I've�written
219
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:40,560
And�"� � Troy," � I�think
was�the�first�one.
220
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:48,920
It's�also�the�first�song
I've�wrote
221
00:30:51,520 --> 00:31:08,360
Dublin�in�a�rainstorm
222
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:17,440
So�once�when�I�was
eight-and-a-half,
223
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:22,360
the�whole�thing�of�sitting
in�the�long�grass�in�summer
224
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:26,280
So�I'm�out�in�the�garden
in�the�fucking�dark
225
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:28,200
to�this�day,�I�don't�mind
if�it's�day�or�night,
226
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,760
but�dusk,�I�don't�like.
227
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:34,920
And�I'd�be�looking�up
at�the�only�window
228
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:39,040
and�I'd�be�screaming,
begging�her�to�let�me�in.
229
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:40,720
the�house�go�dark.
230
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:47,800
Every�other�song�I'm�writing
is�about�somebody�else
231
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:50,320
"Troy" � is�the�first�song
I've�written�about�me.
232
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:54,080
It's�not�a�song,
it's�a�fucking�testament.
233
00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:04,560
And�you�should've
Left�the�light�on
234
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:09,440
Then�I�wouldn't�have�tried
You'd�never�have�known
235
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:20,160
And�I�wouldn't�have
Pulled�you�tighter
236
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:21,600
I�wouldn't�have�screamed
237
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:28,080
No,�I�can't�let�you�go
238
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:36,040
No,�I�wouldn't�have
Pulled�you�to�me
239
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:48,840
You�wouldn't�have
Begged�me�to�hold�you
240
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:57,720
Oh,�oh
241
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:02,920
"Troy" � is�not�safe.
242
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:06,080
I�don't�need
to�dig�that�up�again.
243
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,200
There�would've�been
no�point�writing
244
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:17,000
and/or�going�around
the�world�screaming� � "Troy"
245
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:24,600
Make�no�difference
What�you�say
246
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:26,520
You're�still�a�liar
247
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:30,520
You're�still�a�liar
248
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,720
You're�still�a�liar
249
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:51,600
Sin�ad�was�pregnant
all�through�the�making
250
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:53,240
of�"The�Lion�and�the�Cobra."
251
00:33:53,280 --> 00:34:01,880
And�I�think�in�many
ways,�actually,
252
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:08,080
There's�nothing�more�deep
and�real�than�a�baby.
253
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:20,200
And�there's�nothing�more
fake�and�unimportant
254
00:34:20,240 --> 00:34:24,360
and�a�single � Mandinka
at�22�in�the�charts.
255
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:28,360
I�remember�watching
256
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:39,480
Sin�ad�on
Top�of�the�Pops.
257
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:56,320
I'm�dancing�the�seven�veils
258
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:18,920
I�don't�know�no�shame
259
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:25,840
But�I�do�know�Mandinka
260
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:33,960
I�do�know�Mandinka
261
00:35:36,240 --> 00:35:41,440
I�do�know�Mandinka
262
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:45,320
I�do
263
00:35:47,960 --> 00:36:02,640
When � "Mandinka"
was�released,
264
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:09,640
I�said�I�do
265
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:29,880
I�swear�I�do...
266
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:36,080
I�just�remember�hearing
the�voice�and�it's�nothing
267
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:41,840
Soon�I�can�give
You�my�heart...
268
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,920
Telling�me�he'd�be�home
269
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:23,840
Sailed�the�seas
For�a�hundred�years
270
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:28,080
To�me,�it�was�like
the�whole�package.
271
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:31,800
He�said,�"Your�Jackie's�gone
We�got�lost�in�the�rain"
272
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:49,960
And�I�ran�to�the�beach
273
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,840
Laughing�at�you...
274
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:58,160
there's�an�intensity,�almost
a�rage�burning�inside�of�you.
275
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:12,440
You're�a�small,�demure,
quiet�sort�of�person.
276
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:15,600
If�you're�a�woman
in�particular,�and�unless
277
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:26,240
you're�very�sort�of�timid
and�you�want�to�make
278
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:38,680
When�I�leave�Ireland,
it's�virtually�unheard�of
279
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:51,600
The�Irish�fucking�constitution
still�contains�the�wording
280
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:58,800
So�many�people�in�this�country,
women�in�particular,
281
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,680
or�be�open�about�their�anger.
282
00:39:01,720 --> 00:39:04,800
At�that�time�in�Ireland,�women
weren't�allowed�to�be�angry.
283
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:06,640
And�I�think�that�might've
been�hard�for�some�of�them
284
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:08,640
because,�you�know,
they�had�spent�their�whole�life
285
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:13,040
saying�no�to�themselves.
286
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:27,040
Tonight,�the�Grammy
awards�are�presenting
287
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:37,680
comes�from�Ireland
and�with�her�very�first�album,
288
00:39:51,800 --> 00:40:06,960
I'm�dancing�the�seven�veils
289
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:08,880
I�remember�talking�to
her�the�next�day�and�she�said,
290
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:18,760
"Oh,�my�God,�I�went
on�stage�and�Stevie�Wonder
291
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,360
So�this�was�quite�a�leap,
you�know.
292
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:30,120
I�don't�know�no�shame
293
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:37,720
But�I�do�know�Man-din-ka
294
00:40:39,720 --> 00:40:51,120
You�know,
you're�there�and�you're�looking
295
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:53,320
As�I�sang�Mandinka,
I�had�"Jake's�baby�girl"
296
00:40:53,360 --> 00:41:02,360
on�the�back�of�my�pants
and�I�had
Public�Enemy�logo�painted
297
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:24,840
I�protested
the�Grammy's�in�1989
298
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:28,040
that�she�was�fake.
299
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:34,360
she�seriously
has�issues�with�this.
300
00:41:53,240 --> 00:42:00,000
In�one�way,�I�loved�it.
301
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:07,960
In�another�way,
I�was�frightened�by�it.
302
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:15,760
this�identity�and�I�didn't
feel�like�it�was�really�me.
303
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:18,680
I�couldn't�understand�why
anyone�liked�my�records.
304
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:26,960
Let�me�tell�you
how�stupid�I�am.�Um...
305
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:42,600
We�were�sitting�here
doing�this�interview
306
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:50,080
So�now�I'm�doing�it.
307
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:55,920
because�I�want�to�wear
red�knickers,�you�know?
308
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:57,720
No.-
309
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:15,600
We�got�married
at�the�spiritualist�centre
in�Sloane�Square
310
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:31,680
I'd�lost�my�dad�and�a�sister.
311
00:43:44,240 --> 00:43:53,680
In�1989,�we�filmed
Hush-a-Bye�Baby � in�Derry.
312
00:43:55,480 --> 00:44:01,680
She�came�over�with�John.
313
00:44:01,720 --> 00:44:04,240
who�was�just�a�toddler
at�that�stage.
314
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:08,760
Of�course,�I�only�have
eyes�for�Lecce�Loves.
315
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:40,280
We�were�trying
to�contribute�to�the�debate
316
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:43,400
like�so�many�thousands
of�other�women,
317
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:49,760
especially�young�women.
318
00:44:49,800 --> 00:45:02,520
and�about�the�obvious
trauma�and�awfulness
319
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:11,960
And�girls�are�made
to�feel�as�if�they're�sluts
320
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:15,720
and�the�contraceptive�laws
and�all�that�sort�of�thing
321
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:39,040
In�the�80s�and�90s
and�obviously
the�decades�before�that,
322
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:43,680
It�was�appalling.
323
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:53,840
There�was
a�sense�of�being�in�this
324
00:45:53,880 --> 00:46:01,120
you�couldn't�get�condoms,
so�this�was�a�big�issue.
325
00:46:04,240 --> 00:46:10,600
It's�quite�a�similar�story
to�your�own,�isn't�it?
326
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:14,840
Last�time�you�told�me�that
there�were�certain�attitudes
in�Ireland.
327
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:23,080
Yeah,�except�I�had
a�baby�when�I�was�20
328
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:33,560
And�I�was�in�a�society�that
doesn't�look�down�on�pregnancy
329
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:38,040
who�has�no�money
and�no�boyfriend�and�no�support
330
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:44,000
- I�think�I�was�in�very...
- nice�circumstances
331
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:58,600
It�seems�years
Since�you�held�the�baby...
332
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:11,320
you�don't�really�expect
anything�to�happen.
333
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:14,600
And�I�remember�I�was�quite
taken�aback�by�the�whole�thing,
334
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:17,560
amused�at�the�idea�of�me
sitting�and�doing
press�conferences
335
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:23,680
and�things�like�that
because�it�was�just
336
00:47:23,720 --> 00:47:28,120
and�put�my�album�out�I�was�20,
337
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:31,600
And�now�I'm�23�which
is�still�extremely�young
338
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:36,200
and�I'm�still�developing
my�"personality",
in�inverted�commas.
339
00:47:36,240 --> 00:47:46,120
And�I'm�still�discovering
things�about�myself
340
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:56,280
When�the�album � "I�Do�Not
Want�What�I�Haven't�Got",
341
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:59,280
and�he�said,�"This�is�like
reading�somebody's�diaries.
342
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:07,640
I'm�not�putting�it�out."
343
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:20,520
Well,�I�am�far�more
proud�of�this�album
344
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:26,800
The�way�she�grew
in�confidence
345
00:48:28,720 --> 00:48:32,080
She's�a�powerful,�sexual�being.
346
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:38,880
I�think�she�was�enjoying
playing�with�the�gender�roles,
347
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:46,280
and�the�toughness�of�denim
or�the�Dr.�Martin�boots
348
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:53,480
There's�always
still�this�beautiful�woman,
349
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:15,120
She�came�to�understand
the�nature�of�what
we�were�doing
350
00:49:30,240 --> 00:49:32,240
"The�Nothing
Compares�To�You" � video,
351
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:35,840
she�came�back�with�all
the�rushes�on�a�VHS
352
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:42,680
and�we've�stuck�it�into
the�video�machine,
I�was�watching�it.
353
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:56,920
The�video�was�shot
both�in�studio�and�it�was�shot
354
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:17,680
The�extraordinary�close-up
work�that�John�did
355
00:50:24,240 --> 00:50:30,000
In�between�takes,
356
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:32,720
and�light�up�a�spliff,
and�be�bopping
around�the�studio.
357
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:38,720
We�weren't�in�a�kind�of
particularly�sombre�mood.
358
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:48,360
Looking�into�my�monitor,
looking�down�that�lens,
359
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:59,120
It�was�like,�"Oh,�okay,
360
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:04,280
If�you�don't
361
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:06,680
identify�emotionally
with�a�song,�you�can't�sing�it.
362
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:29,320
I�didn't�know�I�was
gonna�cry�singing�it.
363
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:30,960
I�didn't�cry�in�the�studio,
364
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:32,560
it�was�just�because
of�the�big�eye�on�me
365
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:34,240
in�the�form�of�a�camera.
366
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:41,600
Every�time�I�sing�the�song,
I�think�of�my�mother.
367
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:57,720
I�never�stopped�crying
for�my�mother�for,�Jesus,
368
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:03,720
So�yeah,�I�was�thinking�of�her
and�I�suppose�my�subconscious
369
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:13,760
I�think�it's�funny�that
the�world�fell�in�love�with�me
370
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:20,640
I�went�and�did�a�lot�of�crying
371
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:43,400
Good�to�see�you.�Will�you
be�number�one�on�Monday?
372
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:48,800
I�don't�know,�you�know.
373
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:54,640
I�don't�want�to
count�my�chickens.
374
00:52:54,680 --> 00:53:01,480
it�doesn't�really
make�a�difference,
375
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:02,920
We�shouldn't�even�be
thinking�about�this.
376
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:07,800
Shouldn't�even�be
thinking�about�it,�okay.
377
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:15,000
The�song�went�number�one,
378
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:20,040
everywhere�in�the�world
pretty�much.
379
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:23,880
- And�the�winner�is...
- Sin�ad�O'Connor.
380
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:31,760
- Sin�ad�O'Connor.
- Sin�ad�O'Connor.
381
00:53:32,720 --> 00:53:34,680
You�know,�peace.
382
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:41,280
It's�Sin�ad�O'Connor.
383
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:45,120
Sin�ad,
"Nothing�Compares�To�You."
384
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:49,640
The�level�of�when
"Nothing�Compares�To�You"
385
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:51,400
became�a�hit�was�extraordinary.
386
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:53,000
It�really�was�off�the�scale.
387
00:53:54,240 --> 00:53:57,600
She�was�the�biggest�thing.
388
00:53:57,640 --> 00:54:10,680
or�Amy�Winehouse,
389
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:18,480
I�didn't�realize�how�huge
the�single�and�the�album�were.
390
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:21,560
I�really�didn't.
391
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:24,000
and�it�said�that
the�record�had�been
392
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:27,280
something�like�the�fourth
biggest�record�in�America,
393
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:32,840
I�nearly�dropped�dead.
394
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:40,840
She�was�suddenly�a�major�act.
395
00:54:43,720 --> 00:54:44,760
Hello!
396
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:55,400
The�tour�got�bigger�and�bigger
instead�of�theatres,
397
00:54:55,440 --> 00:55:01,800
It�seems�like�years
Since�you�held�the�baby
398
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:21,760
You�said�it�was
Dangerous�after�Sunday
399
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:25,960
but�this�is�going
to�be�really�good.
400
00:55:34,240 --> 00:55:54,280
I�am�stretched
On�your�grave
401
00:55:57,200 --> 00:56:09,000
My�apple�tree
My�brightness
402
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:25,640
For�I�smell�of�the�earth
403
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:33,760
we�did�a�place�in�New�Jersey.
404
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:48,240
Sin�ad�got�to�hear
about�it,�and�said
405
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:50,680
we�won't�play�it."
406
00:56:50,720 --> 00:56:55,800
And�I�thought,
"Oh,�this�is�going�to�be
everywhere�tomorrow."
407
00:56:55,840 --> 00:57:16,800
"Oh,�God,�have�you
seen�the�papers?"
408
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:20,520
With�American�soldiers
on�foreign�soil
409
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:25,080
patriotism�is�running
at�fever�pitch.
410
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:26,880
the�National�Anthem
on�our�station
411
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:32,080
to�support�the�troops
over�in�the�Middle�East,
412
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:36,800
The�wrong�time,�the�wrong�place
413
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:38,040
within�her�own�management,
414
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:40,200
"Sin�ad,�shut�up."
415
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:56,640
You�don't�like�America,
then�get�the�hell�out.
416
00:57:56,680 --> 00:58:01,840
She�wants�the�money,
the�fame�and�the�glorification.
417
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:04,320
One�extreme
patriot�is�Frank�Sinatra,
418
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:09,120
who�said�he�would
like�to�kick�her�ass.
419
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:11,440
to�kick�her�ass",
says�Sin�ad�'s�father,
John�O'Connor.
420
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:16,640
As�soon
as�someone�highlighted
421
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:20,000
that�it�had�to�be�played,
she�would�say,
422
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:36,000
and�why�are�you
telling�me�what�to�do?"
423
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:46,560
I'm�looking�at�you.�I'm�thinking
14�in�the�side�pocket.
424
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:51,360
and�the�suffering�in
the�world�right�now.
425
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:55,640
- Come�on,�swing�baby, you're�platinum.
- Forget�the�head.
426
00:58:55,680 --> 00:59:03,880
Put�a�bag�over�it
and�do�your�business.
427
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:06,080
You're�supposed�to�have
long�hair�wear�push-up�bras
428
00:59:06,120 --> 00:59:09,200
and�lip�gloss,�you�know,
and�shut�up�and�sing.
429
00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:13,520
Maybe�if�I�was�a�man,
there�wouldn't�be
such�a�fuss�about�it
430
00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:15,240
It's�just�not�expected
of�women,�I�don't�know.
431
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:23,840
But�then�nothing�about�me,
particularly,�in�people's�minds,
432
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:36,280
that�they�have
because�I'm�a�woman.
433
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:40,560
I�don't�think�it�was�a�situation
being�wrong�or�right.
434
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:44,400
in�the�way�that�I�felt
would�be�most�true�to�myself.
435
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:58,760
I�didn't�mean�to�offend�anybody.
436
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:02,000
and�people�like�that
437
01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:16,880
and�what�they�may
or�may�not�write�about.
438
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:20,120
who�are�very�offensive�as�well,
439
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:25,000
So�it�leaves�me
thinking�that�it's
440
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:27,000
So,�you�know,
if�it�happened�now,
441
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:35,840
I�might've�reacted
in�a�different�way,
442
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:47,080
well,�you�didn't
not�take�the�money.
443
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:48,680
I�don't�perform�or�make
records�or�do�anything
444
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:50,120
in�order�to�make�money.
445
01:00:50,160 --> 01:01:00,960
It's�not�the�thing�that�I�hold
446
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:13,680
So�we're�going�to�wave�it�at�her
and�see�what�she�does.
447
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:17,640
It's�a�very�patriotic�country.
448
01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:23,000
And�a�lot�of�people
have�been�told
449
01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:25,400
which�is�very�irresponsible
on�behalf�of�the�media,
450
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:29,240
because�that�does
put�a�person�in�a�situation
451
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:32,480
where�literally
their�life�could�be�at�risk.
452
01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:52,720
When�the�press
started�to�attack�her
453
01:01:57,880 --> 01:02:08,440
Margaret�Thatcher�on�TV
454
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:15,720
She's�always
championed�justice.
455
01:02:48,920 --> 01:03:00,480
And�that's�why�I'm�leaving
456
01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:08,240
Young�mother
Down�at�Smithfield
457
01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:14,640
5:00�a.m.,�looking�for�food
For�her�kids...
458
01:03:14,680 --> 01:03:17,480
when�she�wrote�that�song,
you�know,�it�was�around�us,
459
01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:26,840
you�know,�that�kind�of�police
versus�the�Black�community.
460
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:28,280
I�write�songs�about�things
461
01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:30,240
that�I�feel�strongly�about.
462
01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:33,640
It's�not�consciously
to�write�a�political�song
463
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:39,680
And�I�think�that�that's
what�every�person's�duty
464
01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:46,040
when�they�think
something's�wrong.
465
01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:49,800
I�imagine�so.
466
01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:54,280
I'm�an�Irish�artist,
467
01:03:54,320 --> 01:03:57,800
and�there's�a�tradition
among�Irish�artists
468
01:03:57,840 --> 01:03:59,840
You�know,�whether
they're�playwrights�or�poets.
469
01:04:02,040 --> 01:04:04,840
An�artists�job
is�sometimes�to�create
470
01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:09,400
the�difficult�conversations
that�need�to�be�had.
471
01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:11,520
what�anyone�thinks�of�me
when�I�do�that.
472
01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:28,000
The�right
to�choose�an�abortion,
473
01:04:28,040 --> 01:04:31,240
Abortion�will�be�legalized
in�this�country�very�soon.
474
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:33,040
Let's�have�another�referendum
475
01:04:33,080 --> 01:04:47,920
when�only�women
of�childbearing�age�vote
476
01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:50,560
The�church�deliberately
distract�us�from�that,
477
01:04:50,600 --> 01:05:03,400
by�making�it�into
an�either�anti�or�for,
478
01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:08,520
I�never�felt
that�Sin�ad�would�cave
479
01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:30,280
to�any�pressure.�Ever.
480
01:05:30,320 --> 01:05:32,840
It�is�the�creative�community
that�are�driven�by�greed.
481
01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:37,600
That's�why�none�of�them
are�saying�anything
482
01:05:37,640 --> 01:05:40,360
It's�why�nobody�has�said
anything�about�the�war.
483
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:44,960
When�Sin�ad�refused
to�perform�at�the�Grammys,
484
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:50,360
As�if�that�were�even�possible.
485
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:54,680
but�I�felt�that�my�career
could�certainly�be�in�jeopardy,
486
01:05:54,720 --> 01:05:56,280
and�Sin�ad's�as�well.
487
01:05:56,320 --> 01:05:58,160
These�were�powerful�people
in�the�industry.
488
01:06:01,480 --> 01:06:04,400
I�didn't�think
that�the�powers�that�be
were�ready�for�her.
489
01:06:05,960 --> 01:06:12,560
Where�she's�from,
490
01:06:12,600 --> 01:06:15,320
but�maybe�in�different�genres,
491
01:06:15,360 --> 01:06:21,920
and�not�so�much
as�a�pop�superstar.
492
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:32,800
Okay,�so�this�is
my�favourite�place
in�the�universe,
493
01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:41,440
All�the�Rastas�live�there,
494
01:06:44,680 --> 01:06:57,200
The�object�of�my�game
coming�into�the
music�business�was
495
01:06:57,240 --> 01:06:59,320
And�also,�I�suppose,
spiritually�true�to�myself,
496
01:06:59,360 --> 01:07:01,320
do�you�know�what�I�mean?
497
01:07:01,360 --> 01:07:08,200
The�music�business�can�be
a�bit�of�a�vampiric�arena.
498
01:07:08,240 --> 01:07:09,720
Gary.
499
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:11,000
- Yes?
- Say�hello�to�Jake.
500
01:07:11,040 --> 01:07:12,320
- Him�Jake.
- That's�Gary.
501
01:07:12,360 --> 01:07:13,360
Maybe�we'll�get
to�see�you,�Jake.
502
01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:22,640
He's�really�mad.
503
01:07:22,680 --> 01:07:30,760
as�if�you're�in
a�popularity�contest,
504
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:43,240
That�was�the�last�one,
wasn't�it?
505
01:07:43,280 --> 01:07:46,000
- Yes.
- - I�didn't�want to�fall�into�that�trap�then
506
01:07:46,040 --> 01:07:53,880
of�you�know,
the�follow�up�album
to�the�number�one,�single.
507
01:07:53,920 --> 01:07:58,240
all�of�a�sudden
you�could�go�in�there
508
01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:15,240
Let's�listen�back�and�make
sure�we�love�this�arrangement.
509
01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:18,800
this�was�a�great�antidote,
really�to�what�happened.
510
01:08:18,840 --> 01:08:29,880
And�it�had�the�most�amazing
team�of�arrangers,�musicians,
511
01:08:44,800 --> 01:08:55,400
We�used�to�go�out�walking
512
01:08:55,440 --> 01:09:00,080
You�had�planned...
513
01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:09,280
It�was�just�astonishing
being�in�a�room
514
01:09:09,320 --> 01:09:16,120
and�I�couldn't�see�myself
as�being�anyway�good.
515
01:09:16,160 --> 01:09:24,800
Am�I�not�your�girl?
516
01:09:30,640 --> 01:09:47,920
There�were�things
going�on�in�my�own�life.
517
01:09:50,480 --> 01:09:57,440
Basically�fucking�everything
I�had�been�raised�to�believe
was�a�lie.
518
01:09:59,280 --> 01:10:04,640
Ave,�ave,�ave�Maria
519
01:10:04,680 --> 01:10:10,360
At�the�end
of�the�line�of�bishops,
walked�the�Pope.
520
01:10:18,080 --> 01:10:20,120
and�the�next�was
a�picture�of�the�Pope,
521
01:10:20,160 --> 01:10:22,760
which�had�been
on�her�bedroom�wall.
522
01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:25,080
Young�people�of�Ireland,
523
01:10:26,360 --> 01:10:27,680
I�love�you.
524
01:10:31,960 --> 01:10:36,640
He�didn't
fucking�love�me.
525
01:10:37,920 --> 01:10:46,720
You�know,�it�was�such�a�lie.
526
01:10:46,760 --> 01:10:48,800
And�I�had�a�right
to�fight�that�evil
527
01:10:48,840 --> 01:10:52,680
because�I�loved�the�church.
528
01:10:52,720 --> 01:10:55,800
and�I've�got�fuck�all�to�lose
529
01:10:55,840 --> 01:10:57,400
that�hasn't�been�done�already.
530
01:11:10,280 --> 01:11:14,080
I�had�booked�her
on � Saturday�Night�Live.
531
01:11:14,120 --> 01:11:20,880
which�was,
"Am�I�Not�Your�Girl."
532
01:11:20,920 --> 01:11:25,880
and�this�would�really�help�it.
533
01:11:35,360 --> 01:12:01,000
Until�the�philosophy
534
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:05,960
It's�a�speech�that
the�Emperor�Haile�Selassie
535
01:12:06,000 --> 01:12:08,680
had�made�at�the�United�Nations,
and�then�Bob�Marley
536
01:12:08,720 --> 01:12:20,800
turned�it�into�a�song.
537
01:12:20,840 --> 01:12:22,760
Than�the�colour�of�his�eyes
538
01:12:22,800 --> 01:12:42,080
I've�got�to�say�war...
539
01:12:42,120 --> 01:12:53,920
And�rumours�of�war
540
01:12:53,960 --> 01:13:01,440
Children,�children
541
01:13:01,480 --> 01:13:08,120
We�find�it�necessary
542
01:13:08,160 --> 01:13:21,800
We�have�confidence
543
01:13:25,080 --> 01:13:26,680
Fight�the�real�enemy.
544
01:13:33,680 --> 01:13:39,920
Nobody�knows�what�to�do.
545
01:13:39,960 --> 01:13:47,200
She�blows�a�candle�out,
she�goes�off�stage,
546
01:13:47,240 --> 01:13:50,280
And�I�had�gone�into
the�dressing�room�after�her,
547
01:13:50,320 --> 01:13:53,280
and�I�said,�"You�know,
I�can't�get�you�out�of�this."
548
01:13:53,320 --> 01:13:55,720
- And�she�said,�"You�know�what?
- I�don't�want�you�to."
549
01:13:58,520 --> 01:14:01,680
What�effect�do�you�think
550
01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:13,200
I�don't�know.
551
01:14:13,240 --> 01:14:25,680
Do�you�think�what�you�have�done
552
01:14:27,120 --> 01:14:32,880
- Well,�I�can't�really�say.
- I�don't�know.
553
01:14:32,920 --> 01:14:41,680
which�you�said�don't�seem
to�be�negative,�right?
554
01:14:41,720 --> 01:15:05,440
Sin�ad�O'Connor
is�no�stranger�to�controversy.
555
01:15:05,480 --> 01:15:07,440
The�network�says
O'Connor's�tirade
caught�them�off�guard.
556
01:15:07,480 --> 01:15:12,600
NBC�logged�a�thousand
complaint�calls...
557
01:15:12,640 --> 01:15:14,960
certainly�unauthorized�by�NBC,
558
01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:17,880
and�NBC�was�offended
by�what�she�did.
559
01:15:17,920 --> 01:15:26,200
The�Catholic�league
for�religious�and�civil�rights
560
01:15:26,240 --> 01:15:40,800
During�the�lunch�hour,
they�passed�out�leaflets,
561
01:15:40,840 --> 01:15:42,880
Actually,�we�were�just
going�to�send�them�to�her.
562
01:15:42,920 --> 01:15:45,200
Someone�said,
don't�send�the�tapes�new.
563
01:15:45,240 --> 01:15:54,160
Break�them�up,
'cause�she'll�sell�them�again.
564
01:16:01,760 --> 01:16:04,240
Sin�ad�O'Connor...�,
you�know�and�so�on.
565
01:16:04,280 --> 01:16:13,360
Or�you�just�don't�like�that�she
tore�up�a�picture�of�the�Pope.
566
01:16:13,400 --> 01:16:14,960
But�I'll�tell�you�one�thing,
she�was�very�lucky
567
01:16:15,000 --> 01:16:24,640
it�wasn't�my�show.
568
01:16:24,680 --> 01:16:26,440
Sin�ad�O'Conner,�who's�big�theme
is�child�abuse...
569
01:16:26,480 --> 01:16:30,280
- All�right?
- It�all�comes�from�child�abuse.
570
01:16:35,000 --> 01:16:40,600
I�got�a�little�bit�worried,
571
01:16:40,640 --> 01:16:48,040
It�was�a�terrible�time�for�us.
572
01:16:48,080 --> 01:16:51,400
I�had�fan�letters
with�death�threats�to�myself,
573
01:16:51,440 --> 01:16:57,760
death�threats�to�Sin�ad,
574
01:16:57,800 --> 01:17:03,960
or�to�me,�or�any�of�our�team.
575
01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:15,800
And�we�were�all�applauding
and�cheering�and�were�like,
576
01:17:15,840 --> 01:17:20,040
- "- Oh,�no,�Sin�ad�O'Connor is�an�icon.
- She's�ahead�of�her�time."
577
01:17:20,080 --> 01:17:25,040
I�think�I�probably
was�joining�in,�"Oh,�God,
what's�she�doing�now?"
578
01:17:26,360 --> 01:17:38,480
Fight�the�real�enemy.
579
01:17:38,520 --> 01:17:42,800
and�tear�up�a�photo
of�Uncle�Fester.
580
01:17:50,200 --> 01:18:04,640
Do�you�enjoy
shocking�people?
581
01:18:04,680 --> 01:18:06,320
Some�other�time,
I'll�talk�to�you�about�it.
582
01:18:06,360 --> 01:18:09,280
But�obviously
you�don't�have�any�regrets.
583
01:18:11,360 --> 01:18:21,040
I'm�real�proud...
584
01:18:21,080 --> 01:18:26,040
and�integrity.
585
01:18:47,080 --> 01:18:48,160
Thank�you.
586
01:18:52,520 --> 01:18:56,640
I'm�on�stage
and�the�audience
start�making�this
587
01:18:56,680 --> 01:18:58,200
and�half�of�them�are�cheering.
588
01:18:58,240 --> 01:19:00,280
And�it's�the�fucking
weirdest�noise
589
01:19:00,320 --> 01:19:04,640
- I've�ever�heard�in�my�life.
- And�it�makes�me�want�to�puke.
590
01:19:18,040 --> 01:19:31,320
My�song�that�I�was
supposed�to�sing
591
01:19:33,760 --> 01:19:43,400
"Are�you�going�to�stand�by�me"
592
01:19:48,960 --> 01:19:51,560
Okay,�turn�this�up.
593
01:19:51,600 --> 01:19:57,360
Until�the�philosophy
594
01:19:57,400 --> 01:20:01,600
And�another�inferior
595
01:20:01,640 --> 01:20:10,160
Is�finally
596
01:20:10,200 --> 01:20:29,680
Everywhere�is�war
597
01:20:29,720 --> 01:20:34,200
Than�the�colour�of�his�eyes
598
01:20:34,240 --> 01:20:38,000
Until,�the�basic
Human�rights
599
01:20:38,040 --> 01:20:40,840
Are�equally
Guaranteed�to�all
600
01:20:40,880 --> 01:20:43,280
Without�regard�to�race
601
01:20:43,320 --> 01:20:45,520
I�say�war
602
01:20:45,560 --> 01:20:52,800
And�until
603
01:20:52,840 --> 01:21:03,760
Child�abuse,�yeah
604
01:21:03,800 --> 01:21:09,680
Utterly�destroyed
605
01:21:17,840 --> 01:21:20,760
Everything�kind�of
coalesced�into�that�moment.
606
01:21:20,800 --> 01:21:22,400
Someone�who�grew�up
in�a�household
607
01:21:22,440 --> 01:21:26,600
of�abuse�and�rejection,
608
01:21:26,640 --> 01:21:36,520
by�what�probably�felt�like
the�whole�entire�world,
609
01:21:38,160 --> 01:21:39,840
People�that�would�boo
Sin�ad�O'Connor,
610
01:21:39,880 --> 01:21:53,920
what�were�they�doing
at�a�Bob�Dylan�concert?
611
01:21:59,120 --> 01:22:02,080
"My�name
is�Sin�ad�O'Connor,
612
01:22:03,320 --> 01:22:04,800
I�am�deserving,
613
01:22:04,840 --> 01:22:15,400
I�deserve�to�be
treated�with�respect,
614
01:22:15,440 --> 01:22:17,080
I�am�and�have�always�been
carrying�a�lot�of�grief,
615
01:22:17,120 --> 01:22:25,080
from�my�lost�childhood,
616
01:22:25,120 --> 01:22:34,640
To�get�to�the�joy,
617
01:22:34,680 --> 01:22:44,680
but�I�know�that�if�you
could�really�listen,
618
01:22:44,720 --> 01:22:46,960
there's�a�mirror�into
which�we�are�not�looking.
619
01:22:51,080 --> 01:23:00,360
There's�no�way
I'm�going�to�shut�my�mouth,
620
01:23:00,400 --> 01:23:02,440
just�because�they�don't
want�to�hear�about�it.
621
01:23:05,440 --> 01:23:10,040
We�all�have,
mental�health�issues,
622
01:23:10,080 --> 01:23:15,920
and�it's�very�important
for�us�to�recognize�that,
623
01:23:17,800 --> 01:23:20,040
I�was�always�being
crazied�by�the�media,
624
01:23:20,080 --> 01:23:34,480
made�out�to�be�crazy.
625
01:23:36,520 --> 01:23:39,000
Sin�ad�was�put�into�isolation.
626
01:23:39,040 --> 01:23:40,960
She,�was�still
making�great�music,
627
01:23:41,000 --> 01:23:45,400
still�making�great�records,
628
01:23:45,440 --> 01:23:48,200
In�those�days,�if�the�press
weren't�talking�about�you,
629
01:23:48,240 --> 01:23:53,000
if�you�weren't�on�the�radio,
if�you�weren't�on�TV�screens,
630
01:23:53,040 --> 01:23:56,040
Which�is�what
happened�with�Sin�ad,
631
01:23:58,960 --> 01:24:03,120
I�have�about
a�ten-year�period
632
01:24:03,160 --> 01:24:04,120
because�it�suddenly
became�a�free�for�all
633
01:24:04,160 --> 01:24:09,680
for�everybody�around�me,
634
01:24:12,440 --> 01:24:15,880
They�didn't�like�what
they�saw�on�the�mirror,
635
01:24:15,920 --> 01:24:17,680
but�when�I�was�younger,
I�was�just�hurt.
636
01:24:25,480 --> 01:24:31,280
The
willingness�to�tell�her�story,
637
01:24:31,320 --> 01:24:37,960
to�share�them,�with�Ireland
and�with�the�world,
638
01:24:42,520 --> 01:24:47,560
On�behalf
of�this�state,
639
01:24:47,600 --> 01:25:01,200
deeply�regret,
and�apologize�unreservedly,
640
01:25:03,240 --> 01:25:06,240
Today,�we�live�in
a�very�different�country,
641
01:25:06,280 --> 01:25:08,240
with�a�very�different
consciousness,
642
01:25:08,280 --> 01:25:12,040
and�a�very�different�awareness.
643
01:25:14,120 --> 01:25:29,680
An�Ireland�where�we�have
more�compassion,
644
01:25:34,720 --> 01:25:41,200
In�Ireland,�it's�being
called�a�quiet�revolution,
645
01:25:41,240 --> 01:25:46,360
to�repeal�a�constitutional
ban�on�abortion.
646
01:25:52,400 --> 01:26:01,000
Yeah,
I'm�proud�to�be�Irish�today
647
01:26:04,160 --> 01:26:05,960
Wherever�there's
that�righteous�anger
648
01:26:06,000 --> 01:26:08,120
of�a�woman�now,
who�is�making�a�difference,
649
01:26:08,160 --> 01:26:10,160
who's�changing�things,
650
01:26:10,200 --> 01:26:18,040
who's�standing�up
and�being�courageous.
651
01:26:22,280 --> 01:26:25,440
We�are�seeing�the�rights
that�people�fought
for�being�pulled�back,
652
01:26:25,480 --> 01:26:32,920
being�diminished,
653
01:26:35,000 --> 01:26:39,400
We�need�to�keep�showing
how�effective�it�is,
654
01:26:46,240 --> 01:26:50,160
Women's�bodies�are�under�attack!
655
01:26:58,560 --> 01:27:04,480
There's�a�lot
of�artists�that�came�afterward,
656
01:27:06,560 --> 01:27:09,560
She�broke�the�ice
for�a�whole�decade
657
01:27:09,600 --> 01:27:11,400
or�two�decades
of�artists�after�her.
658
01:27:29,680 --> 01:27:32,760
A�government
inquiry�last�year
659
01:27:32,800 --> 01:27:34,600
put�their�church's�reputation
660
01:27:34,640 --> 01:27:40,480
before�the�interests
of�their�flock,
661
01:27:40,520 --> 01:27:42,760
But�the�scandals
go�far�beyond�Ireland,
662
01:27:42,800 --> 01:27:44,800
and�touch�the�Vatican�directly.
663
01:27:44,840 --> 01:27:47,440
Last�week,�it�was�alleged
that�Pope�Benedict,
664
01:27:47,480 --> 01:27:49,280
then�known�as
Cardinal�Ratzinger,
665
01:27:49,320 --> 01:27:54,640
had�prevented�the�church�trial,
666
01:27:54,680 --> 01:27:58,080
The�church�in�Ireland,
must�acknowledge�before�the�Lord
667
01:27:58,120 --> 01:28:01,560
and�others,
the�serious�sins�committed
668
01:28:01,600 --> 01:28:03,840
against�defenceless�children.
669
01:28:09,760 --> 01:28:13,200
Sin�ad�O'Connor�as�an�artist,
forged�her�own�path
670
01:28:13,240 --> 01:28:20,520
in�a�world�that�just
was�not�ready�for�her.
671
01:28:20,560 --> 01:28:26,320
showed�up,�and�just�rocked
the�shit�out�of�the�horse�cart.
672
01:28:26,360 --> 01:28:28,320
I�don't�want�to�see
her�as�a�martyr,
673
01:28:28,360 --> 01:28:37,320
because�she's
a�three-dimensional
human�being.
674
01:28:50,400 --> 01:28:54,080
that�that�really,
really�killed�me�and�hurt�me.
675
01:28:54,120 --> 01:29:02,720
You�know?
676
01:29:02,760 --> 01:29:12,960
it�didn't�suit�me
being�a�pop�star.
677
01:29:13,000 --> 01:29:16,720
it�was�the�proudest�thing
I've�ever�done�as�an�artist.
678
01:29:16,760 --> 01:29:20,480
They�broke�my�heart
and�they�killed�me,
but�I�didn't�die.
679
01:29:22,560 --> 01:29:25,680
They�tried�to�bury�me,
680
01:29:28,840 --> 01:29:33,680
Thank�you�for�hearing�me
681
01:29:35,680 --> 01:29:40,600
Thank�you�for�hearing�me
682
01:29:42,640 --> 01:29:47,520
Thank�you�for�hearing�me
683
01:29:49,480 --> 01:29:54,840
Thank�you�for�hearing�me
684
01:30:00,600 --> 01:30:06,600
Thank�you�for�loving�me
685
01:30:06,640 --> 01:30:11,520
Thank�you�for�loving�me
686
01:30:12,880 --> 01:30:18,480
Thank�you�for�loving�me
687
01:30:18,520 --> 01:30:23,720
Thank�you�for�loving�me
688
01:30:28,080 --> 01:30:39,680
Which�means�forsaking�me
689
01:30:39,720 --> 01:30:51,320
Thank�you�for�seeing�me
690
01:30:55,680 --> 01:31:01,400
And�for�not�leaving�me
691
01:31:01,440 --> 01:31:06,520
And�for�not�leaving�me
692
01:31:07,920 --> 01:31:19,120
And�for�not�leaving�me
693
01:31:23,240 --> 01:31:29,080
Thank�you
For�staying�with�me
694
01:31:29,120 --> 01:31:35,520
Thank�you
For�staying�with�me
695
01:31:35,560 --> 01:31:40,880
Thank�you
For�staying�with�me
696
01:31:40,920 --> 01:31:46,640
Thank�you
For�staying�with�me
697
01:31:50,680 --> 01:32:13,680
Thanks�for�not�hurting�me
698
01:32:18,240 --> 01:32:24,160
You�are�gentle�with�me
699
01:32:24,200 --> 01:32:29,040
You�are�gentle�with�me
700
01:32:30,520 --> 01:32:42,040
You�are�gentle�with�me
701
01:32:45,760 --> 01:32:56,720
Thanks�for�silence�with�me
702
01:32:58,120 --> 01:33:09,320
Thanks�for�silence�with�me
703
01:33:13,880 --> 01:33:32,240
Thank�you�for�holding�me
704
01:33:32,280 --> 01:33:37,120
Thank�you�for�holding�me
705
01:33:41,640 --> 01:33:53,080
Thank�you�for�helping�me
706
01:33:53,120 --> 01:33:58,880
Thank�you�for�helping�me
707
01:33:58,920 --> 01:34:06,280
Thank�you
708
01:34:09,080 --> 01:34:20,960
Thank�you
For�breaking�my�heart
709
01:34:21,000 --> 01:34:24,360
Now�I've�a�strong
710
01:34:24,400 --> 01:34:27,400
Strong�heart
711
01:34:27,440 --> 01:34:30,560
Thank�you
712
01:34:30,600 --> 01:34:36,440
For�breaking�my�heart
62344