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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:53,465 --> 00:00:56,085 - My job is to make the lens. 2 00:00:59,124 --> 00:01:01,834 It's the heart of the camera. 3 00:01:17,284 --> 00:01:20,163 - Do you take photographs? 4 00:01:20,164 --> 00:01:21,863 - Well, I have a child, 5 00:01:21,864 --> 00:01:25,282 so I take lots of photographs of her. 6 00:01:25,283 --> 00:01:26,762 - Are there any old pictures of you 7 00:01:26,763 --> 00:01:28,173 that mean a lot? 8 00:01:29,183 --> 00:01:30,123 - Yes. 9 00:01:30,124 --> 00:01:34,281 I think it was probably taken when I was in kindergarten. 10 00:01:34,282 --> 00:01:37,441 I was in front of the gate pole at my neighbor's house 11 00:01:37,442 --> 00:01:39,281 that looks like a fence. 12 00:01:39,282 --> 00:01:41,881 My feet got stuck between the fence 13 00:01:41,882 --> 00:01:45,321 and I have a troubled expression. 14 00:01:45,322 --> 00:01:48,412 This photo capture that moment very well. 15 00:01:50,021 --> 00:01:52,580 - Why are photos important? 16 00:01:52,581 --> 00:01:56,980 - When I look at them later on, I begin to reminisce. 17 00:01:56,981 --> 00:02:00,820 I think that's very important for individuals 18 00:02:00,821 --> 00:02:03,191 and a society as well. 19 00:02:18,201 --> 00:02:21,180 - Photography is something that I do because 20 00:02:21,181 --> 00:02:24,100 I'm looking for something to understand about myself. 21 00:02:24,101 --> 00:02:27,191 In Egypt, that very much is there. 22 00:02:28,621 --> 00:02:30,260 - Politics seems to be at the heart 23 00:02:30,261 --> 00:02:32,380 of your work. 24 00:02:32,381 --> 00:02:36,160 - My grandfather was an avid newspaper reader. 25 00:02:36,161 --> 00:02:38,820 So I grew up kind of around that and around my family 26 00:02:38,821 --> 00:02:41,780 discussing politics on a daily basis and you know, 27 00:02:41,781 --> 00:02:44,771 their dreams and their ambitions for the country. 28 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:48,279 I wanna understand my country. 29 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:51,410 I wanna understand where I fall in that country. 30 00:02:53,300 --> 00:02:56,639 Egyptians have always been really really sentimental people. 31 00:02:56,640 --> 00:02:58,739 They always love to talk about the past. 32 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:08,630 This is the essence of an idea that I'm trying to do now. 33 00:03:09,679 --> 00:03:12,857 It's a story about how an entire population of 34 00:03:12,858 --> 00:03:16,437 more than 85-million people have always been struggling 35 00:03:16,438 --> 00:03:18,597 to do something with their lives. 36 00:03:18,598 --> 00:03:22,337 You know, really simple things like have dignity and respect 37 00:03:22,338 --> 00:03:24,737 and I think this is what has always been lacking in Egypt 38 00:03:24,738 --> 00:03:27,368 and this is why the revolution happened. 39 00:03:30,798 --> 00:03:33,076 - Is it just politics? 40 00:03:33,077 --> 00:03:35,376 - It's a social story and it's a very human story 41 00:03:35,377 --> 00:03:37,236 in its essence. 42 00:03:37,237 --> 00:03:40,696 This is where the overlap of politics and just an interest 43 00:03:40,697 --> 00:03:42,627 in that comes from. 44 00:03:48,537 --> 00:03:49,816 - You seem to spend a lot of time 45 00:03:49,817 --> 00:03:53,175 away from the action, shooting faces. 46 00:03:53,176 --> 00:03:56,515 - I want people in Egypt to see the people of Egypt. 47 00:03:56,516 --> 00:03:58,075 This is very important for me. 48 00:03:58,076 --> 00:04:00,566 This is what I really care about. 49 00:04:31,393 --> 00:04:34,083 My equipment is in that bag. 50 00:04:35,152 --> 00:04:38,291 It's modest but it gets the job done. 51 00:04:38,292 --> 00:04:42,182 So this is my living and working space. 52 00:04:43,811 --> 00:04:46,990 So we're pretty much, you know, I cook here and then 53 00:04:46,991 --> 00:04:49,330 I work here and this is my magnetic wall 54 00:04:49,331 --> 00:04:51,241 where I do my editing. 55 00:04:52,911 --> 00:04:55,150 What I wanna say is something about 56 00:04:55,151 --> 00:04:59,230 alienation and solitude and feelings of people 57 00:04:59,231 --> 00:05:02,090 trying to belong and feelings of people that are abandoned 58 00:05:02,091 --> 00:05:05,310 by a government or a system and broken dreams 59 00:05:05,311 --> 00:05:07,181 after the revolution. 60 00:05:08,411 --> 00:05:10,910 It's about families who lost somebody that was killed 61 00:05:10,911 --> 00:05:12,661 or shot by police. 62 00:05:16,331 --> 00:05:19,210 This is Reda when he was about 17. 63 00:05:19,211 --> 00:05:22,290 He's been completely blinded because he was shot 64 00:05:22,291 --> 00:05:25,710 by police just off of Tahrir Square. 65 00:05:25,711 --> 00:05:27,830 All he remembers is that he looked up and he saw 66 00:05:27,831 --> 00:05:31,630 a police officer and suddenly he was thrust backwards. 67 00:05:31,631 --> 00:05:33,230 He hasn't seen anything since. 68 00:05:33,231 --> 00:05:37,110 He's 19 and pretty young but he was engaged to be married 69 00:05:37,111 --> 00:05:39,981 and his life has completely changed now. 70 00:05:43,991 --> 00:05:47,070 She lost her son during the revolution and she was 71 00:05:47,071 --> 00:05:49,430 one of the people who were protesting 72 00:05:49,431 --> 00:05:51,670 outside the trial for Mubarak 73 00:05:51,671 --> 00:05:55,681 hoping that she would see justice for her son's killers. 74 00:05:59,791 --> 00:06:02,290 - How did you get into photography? 75 00:06:02,291 --> 00:06:04,310 - I worked in America for about 3-and-a-half years 76 00:06:04,311 --> 00:06:08,121 as a newspaper photographer doing everything that you do. 77 00:06:09,550 --> 00:06:12,960 I was doing things that were not very newspapery. 78 00:06:14,573 --> 00:06:17,332 I didn't know I was pushing it but my photo editor would say 79 00:06:17,333 --> 00:06:20,512 "Laura, the readers are not gonna understand your pictures." 80 00:06:20,513 --> 00:06:23,543 "People don't get this, this is not what the work is about." 81 00:06:25,252 --> 00:06:28,671 So I eventually quit because I felt like I wanted to just 82 00:06:28,672 --> 00:06:30,531 explore what else I could do visually 83 00:06:30,532 --> 00:06:32,791 and I didn't really like being told what to do 84 00:06:32,792 --> 00:06:34,930 and how to do it. 85 00:06:34,931 --> 00:06:37,310 - What do you look for in a picture? 86 00:06:37,311 --> 00:06:39,210 - Really, with my work, I think emotion is 87 00:06:39,211 --> 00:06:40,470 very very important. 88 00:06:40,471 --> 00:06:42,190 Where I'm looking for things that move me 89 00:06:42,191 --> 00:06:43,650 and hopefully when people look at them 90 00:06:43,651 --> 00:06:45,781 they can be moved by it as well. 91 00:06:47,851 --> 00:06:51,150 I started doing a project when I came to London 92 00:06:51,151 --> 00:06:53,410 that was basically just street photography 93 00:06:53,411 --> 00:06:57,121 and it was really sort of therapy for me. 94 00:06:58,071 --> 00:07:01,950 When I come to London, I can completely just disappear, 95 00:07:01,951 --> 00:07:05,030 and I really like that, I like the fact that you can be free 96 00:07:05,031 --> 00:07:08,681 and yeah, it really totally keeps me balanced. 97 00:07:12,951 --> 00:07:16,150 - What's your relationship with your camera? 98 00:07:16,151 --> 00:07:19,510 - My relationship with my camera, this is a good question 99 00:07:19,511 --> 00:07:22,390 because I don't really think about it much but, 100 00:07:22,391 --> 00:07:25,010 I think my camera's my companion in a way. 101 00:07:25,011 --> 00:07:28,430 My camera allows me, it gives me the excuse to go to places 102 00:07:28,431 --> 00:07:31,930 that I may not go to if I didn't have my camera. 103 00:07:31,931 --> 00:07:36,801 So it's a really intimate, important relationship for me. 104 00:07:37,750 --> 00:07:39,349 I even sometimes protect it more than 105 00:07:39,350 --> 00:07:41,200 maybe I protect myself. 106 00:07:43,510 --> 00:07:46,029 - Do you plan out your work? 107 00:07:46,030 --> 00:07:49,210 - I spend a lot of time on individual situations. 108 00:07:49,211 --> 00:07:52,427 Like I might find a street corner or you know, 109 00:07:52,428 --> 00:07:55,347 a particular situation where I stay for an hour, 110 00:07:55,348 --> 00:07:59,187 two hours, three hours, however it develops. 111 00:08:12,048 --> 00:08:13,807 - Can it get dangerous? 112 00:08:13,808 --> 00:08:17,098 - Sometimes it can be dangerous on many levels. 113 00:08:19,867 --> 00:08:22,406 I think I have become incredibly paranoid 114 00:08:22,407 --> 00:08:25,666 about being a photographer and also about being a 115 00:08:25,667 --> 00:08:28,686 woman photographer because I usually go out and work alone. 116 00:08:28,687 --> 00:08:30,446 I mean, I'm on my own taking pictures, 117 00:08:30,447 --> 00:08:33,017 so I feel kind of vulnerable sometimes. 118 00:08:36,067 --> 00:08:38,686 - Does your family approve of what you're doing? 119 00:08:38,687 --> 00:08:41,406 - They didn't, because this idea of a girl walking around 120 00:08:41,407 --> 00:08:43,646 with a camera through the streets of Egypt 121 00:08:43,647 --> 00:08:45,617 was kind of a bit weird. 122 00:08:48,307 --> 00:08:50,186 So there was that pressure of, 123 00:08:50,187 --> 00:08:52,046 "Why don't you just do a normal job," 124 00:08:52,047 --> 00:08:54,857 "have some money, have that peace of mind?" 125 00:09:03,327 --> 00:09:06,306 I've had some bad times but I don't think as bad 126 00:09:06,307 --> 00:09:09,285 as many other people have had. 127 00:09:09,286 --> 00:09:11,365 - What's the future for you? 128 00:09:11,366 --> 00:09:14,945 - To continue doing work that is important for me 129 00:09:14,946 --> 00:09:17,696 because of the subject matter. 130 00:09:20,006 --> 00:09:22,356 But I don't think I'll ever be rich. 131 00:09:27,325 --> 00:09:29,695 It's important to have people around me 132 00:09:29,705 --> 00:09:31,475 that really believe in what I'm doing, 133 00:09:31,485 --> 00:09:33,595 and recently my parents have been that 134 00:09:33,605 --> 00:09:36,595 and it's made really tremendous difference for me. 135 00:09:36,604 --> 00:09:38,083 When they see pictures and they're like, 136 00:09:38,084 --> 00:09:39,283 "Laura, we're really proud of you." 137 00:09:39,284 --> 00:09:41,603 I mean, this is really, for me this is really good 138 00:09:41,604 --> 00:09:43,794 to have the support of my family. 139 00:09:48,184 --> 00:09:49,263 - Do you ever think of the people 140 00:09:49,264 --> 00:09:51,054 who make your lenses? 141 00:09:54,144 --> 00:09:57,903 - Completely honestly, no I never do. 142 00:09:57,904 --> 00:09:59,723 - You just take it for granted? 143 00:09:59,724 --> 00:10:01,442 - I absolutely do. 144 00:10:01,443 --> 00:10:03,802 It's like the farmer and the apple. 145 00:10:03,803 --> 00:10:05,182 You don't think about the farmer 146 00:10:05,183 --> 00:10:07,102 when you're eating the apple, it's exactly the same thing. 147 00:10:07,103 --> 00:10:08,982 I'm not thinking about the person that 148 00:10:08,983 --> 00:10:11,173 made this when I'm using it. 149 00:10:27,943 --> 00:10:29,862 - Japan was formative for me. 150 00:10:29,863 --> 00:10:32,042 When I came here as a 23-year-old, 151 00:10:32,043 --> 00:10:34,282 I didn't know much of anything. 152 00:10:34,283 --> 00:10:36,912 Coming back 30 years later, 153 00:10:36,913 --> 00:10:39,422 realizing the year-and-a-half that I spent here 154 00:10:39,423 --> 00:10:41,961 and how important that was, 155 00:10:41,962 --> 00:10:45,832 it was what created who I am today. 156 00:10:50,342 --> 00:10:53,981 The sense of ritual and then going out into the 157 00:10:53,982 --> 00:10:56,461 town where it's completely chaotic, 158 00:10:56,462 --> 00:10:58,141 and those contradictions again are what 159 00:10:58,142 --> 00:11:00,832 really really excited me about being here. 160 00:11:07,082 --> 00:11:10,161 What is special for me is this is one of the few 161 00:11:10,162 --> 00:11:14,221 rock gardens, a Suiseki garden which means a dry garden, 162 00:11:14,222 --> 00:11:16,252 in this part of Japan. 163 00:11:17,282 --> 00:11:20,412 These eight rocks in this garden represent eight gods. 164 00:11:21,460 --> 00:11:22,879 It's a paradise garden. 165 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:25,919 Shakkei translates as "borrowing scenery." 166 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:28,559 So at one time, the scenery that was being borrowed here 167 00:11:28,560 --> 00:11:31,498 was probably that hillside, that cliffside. 168 00:11:31,499 --> 00:11:34,278 Here we have a prefab school that's been built right outside 169 00:11:34,279 --> 00:11:37,299 of the grounds of this very contemplative space. 170 00:11:37,300 --> 00:11:40,017 Contemporary, the ancient, they all work together 171 00:11:40,018 --> 00:11:40,978 and I'm interested in that. 172 00:11:40,979 --> 00:11:43,899 I'm interested in juxtaposition, I'm interested in artifice, 173 00:11:43,900 --> 00:11:47,348 and that's carried through with my work for 30 years. 174 00:11:51,838 --> 00:11:53,277 The Japanese sense of architecture, 175 00:11:53,278 --> 00:11:54,957 the Japanese sense of space, 176 00:11:54,958 --> 00:11:57,677 is something that's always interested me. 177 00:11:57,678 --> 00:11:59,397 That's the reason I came here. 178 00:11:59,398 --> 00:12:01,997 I have a recollection when I was a kid 179 00:12:01,998 --> 00:12:06,097 going into the chaos of my room 180 00:12:06,098 --> 00:12:08,897 and going into my older brother's room and he was obsessive, 181 00:12:08,898 --> 00:12:10,577 he was a mathematician, 182 00:12:10,578 --> 00:12:14,137 and everything in that room was arranged on the desk. 183 00:12:14,138 --> 00:12:17,257 It was perfectly arranged, and I felt so at peace 184 00:12:17,258 --> 00:12:19,248 in that space. 185 00:12:22,698 --> 00:12:25,837 My interest in Japan is not only in historical buildings 186 00:12:25,838 --> 00:12:29,028 but also in the artifice of nature. 187 00:12:30,557 --> 00:12:32,856 This tree has been manipulated and contorted 188 00:12:32,857 --> 00:12:36,357 to such a point that it frames the pavilion down below. 189 00:12:36,358 --> 00:12:40,335 It's a wonderful example of how the Japanese use 190 00:12:40,336 --> 00:12:43,106 nature in a very artificial way. 191 00:12:46,996 --> 00:12:50,195 My dioramas are very similar in terms of 192 00:12:50,196 --> 00:12:54,515 working with the animals when they're in deep storage. 193 00:12:54,516 --> 00:12:58,315 I had access to the Smithsonian archives, 194 00:12:58,316 --> 00:13:00,435 and they have all of these taxidermy animals 195 00:13:00,436 --> 00:13:01,855 in these crates. 196 00:13:01,856 --> 00:13:06,555 It's the whole idea of going out into nature, 197 00:13:06,556 --> 00:13:11,286 killing these animals, bring them back into this human realm 198 00:13:11,295 --> 00:13:14,545 and for display purposes, reanimating them. 199 00:13:14,555 --> 00:13:17,645 And that is a very interesting idea. 200 00:13:17,655 --> 00:13:21,085 It's perverse, but it's wonderful in its perversity. 201 00:13:26,095 --> 00:13:28,625 I'm interested in the history of optics especially, 202 00:13:28,635 --> 00:13:31,645 and who but the Japanese and the Germans 203 00:13:31,655 --> 00:13:34,985 have perfected it to such a level. 204 00:13:34,995 --> 00:13:38,045 What is it about that compulsiveness, that obsessiveness, 205 00:13:38,055 --> 00:13:42,945 between both cultures that allows them to create 206 00:13:42,955 --> 00:13:47,405 these fine finely, finely-crafted objects? 207 00:13:49,255 --> 00:13:52,905 The idea in Buddhism is that nothing can be perfected, 208 00:13:52,915 --> 00:13:55,405 and yet, I think the Japanese in terms of the way 209 00:13:55,415 --> 00:13:58,605 that they approach lens-making for example 210 00:13:58,615 --> 00:14:01,305 are attempting to achieve perfection. 211 00:14:04,021 --> 00:14:08,460 - I look at the lens very closely, 212 00:14:08,461 --> 00:14:11,651 and try to understand its feeling. 213 00:14:13,241 --> 00:14:14,820 - Is there anything that you dream about 214 00:14:14,821 --> 00:14:17,151 that you'd like to take pictures of? 215 00:14:19,721 --> 00:14:22,580 - I'd really love to photograph secret, 216 00:14:22,581 --> 00:14:25,660 and maybe even dangerous places. 217 00:14:25,661 --> 00:14:28,500 I read about something that happened at the remote base 218 00:14:28,501 --> 00:14:30,180 at the South Pole. 219 00:14:30,181 --> 00:14:33,180 There were two buildings three-meters-apart, 220 00:14:33,181 --> 00:14:35,180 and one had a bathroom. 221 00:14:35,181 --> 00:14:38,000 On a short journey from one to the other, 222 00:14:38,001 --> 00:14:41,051 someone disappeared and was never found. 223 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:44,900 The challenge of taking a photo to capture the mystery 224 00:14:44,901 --> 00:14:48,758 of that place, of that brutal, freezing environment, 225 00:14:48,759 --> 00:14:51,578 a place I would never normally be allowed to go, 226 00:14:51,579 --> 00:14:53,989 really interests me. 227 00:14:57,879 --> 00:15:00,218 - The one that's most well-known is probably 228 00:15:00,219 --> 00:15:03,038 the Unabomber's cabin. 229 00:15:03,039 --> 00:15:05,318 I photographed the cabin in sichew 230 00:15:05,319 --> 00:15:08,198 after it had been discovered, put on a truck 231 00:15:08,199 --> 00:15:10,638 and shipped out to California. 232 00:15:10,639 --> 00:15:13,758 That was a secret place, nobody else had access to that, 233 00:15:13,759 --> 00:15:15,879 and I decided because of that access that I wanted 234 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:18,008 to make it something else. 235 00:15:20,437 --> 00:15:22,916 It was this very simple, iconic shape. 236 00:15:22,917 --> 00:15:24,896 A cabin in the woods, and that to me, 237 00:15:24,897 --> 00:15:27,267 its banality was interesting to me. 238 00:15:28,257 --> 00:15:30,837 I photographed all four sides of the cabin, 239 00:15:30,838 --> 00:15:32,615 thinking about it as mugshots, 240 00:15:32,616 --> 00:15:34,715 and the whole idea of architecture being put on trial, 241 00:15:34,716 --> 00:15:37,395 this was the major piece of evidence in the trial, 242 00:15:37,396 --> 00:15:40,795 but I decided to complete it and I found the site, 243 00:15:40,796 --> 00:15:44,595 and what the FBI had done is they put a chain-link fence 244 00:15:44,596 --> 00:15:46,995 around where the cabin used to be with signs saying, 245 00:15:46,996 --> 00:15:49,895 "No Trespassing, Danger" in the middle of the forest. 246 00:15:49,896 --> 00:15:51,635 So you have this bucolic setting, 247 00:15:51,636 --> 00:15:54,346 with this chain-link fence describing nothing. 248 00:15:59,876 --> 00:16:00,915 - Is there anything else you'd like 249 00:16:00,916 --> 00:16:02,595 to have a go at? 250 00:16:02,596 --> 00:16:06,346 - If I had the chance, I wouldn't mind being an actor. 251 00:16:07,315 --> 00:16:09,385 - And who would you like to play? 252 00:16:09,395 --> 00:16:11,695 - Ultraman. 253 00:16:13,014 --> 00:16:14,812 I haven't grown up yet. 254 00:16:16,313 --> 00:16:18,463 - That way, that way, that way. 255 00:16:20,973 --> 00:16:22,572 - I don't take snapshots. 256 00:16:22,573 --> 00:16:25,072 I take pictures of my family sometimes, but the whole idea 257 00:16:25,073 --> 00:16:27,312 of the history and memory, I'm interested in history. 258 00:16:27,313 --> 00:16:29,012 I like to be surprised. 259 00:16:29,013 --> 00:16:33,012 And this current project that I'm doing on the Civil War 260 00:16:33,013 --> 00:16:36,152 has really engaged me and I'm using the technology 261 00:16:36,153 --> 00:16:39,453 of the time and that to me is a very exciting thing. 262 00:16:57,252 --> 00:17:00,471 A lot of my work starts out in a documentary place, 263 00:17:00,472 --> 00:17:03,011 but then it goes someplace else. 264 00:17:03,012 --> 00:17:06,671 And when that works, when a viewer comes to it and thinks, 265 00:17:06,672 --> 00:17:09,551 "this is something I don't understand," 266 00:17:09,552 --> 00:17:12,852 and spends time with it to try and understand it, 267 00:17:12,853 --> 00:17:15,621 that image for me is working. 268 00:17:31,626 --> 00:17:34,236 - Are you proud of your lenses? 269 00:17:34,245 --> 00:17:36,865 - Yes, very much so. 270 00:17:38,004 --> 00:17:42,314 There is a big baseball stadium called the Tokyo Dome. 271 00:17:43,603 --> 00:17:47,122 It has a camera that shoots down from the high position 272 00:17:47,123 --> 00:17:49,373 called the bird's eye. 273 00:17:51,182 --> 00:17:53,932 This camera uses my lens. 274 00:17:55,422 --> 00:17:57,821 - Do you have a secret dream? 275 00:17:57,822 --> 00:17:59,721 - My dream? 276 00:17:59,722 --> 00:18:02,741 My dream is to become a professional baseball star, 277 00:18:02,742 --> 00:18:04,661 of course. 278 00:18:04,662 --> 00:18:07,021 - Aren't you a bit old for that? 279 00:18:09,182 --> 00:18:13,077 - After all, age cannot stop your dreaming. 280 00:18:23,978 --> 00:18:25,977 - When I first started, 281 00:18:25,978 --> 00:18:28,937 and it was obviously the desire to go to all the big events, 282 00:18:28,938 --> 00:18:30,537 so I've done the big events. 283 00:18:30,538 --> 00:18:34,637 World Cup soccer, which is probably my favorite. 284 00:18:34,638 --> 00:18:37,068 The Olympics, winter and summer. 285 00:18:38,197 --> 00:18:40,795 And it just goes downhill from there. 286 00:18:40,796 --> 00:18:43,335 So now it's more the photography. 287 00:18:43,336 --> 00:18:46,935 The photography is very, it's a driving 288 00:18:46,936 --> 00:18:49,795 aspect for me now. 289 00:18:49,796 --> 00:18:52,435 I mean, it is luck, there's a lot of luck involved. 290 00:18:52,436 --> 00:18:55,155 It's just a question of, are you prepared to 291 00:18:55,156 --> 00:18:57,595 take that chance when it comes to you. 292 00:18:57,596 --> 00:18:59,835 I've done more than one World Cup final and been 293 00:18:59,836 --> 00:19:03,035 sitting there picking my nose 294 00:19:03,036 --> 00:19:05,095 'cause it's all been happening down the other end, so, 295 00:19:05,096 --> 00:19:08,516 you know, I tend to think what goes around comes around. 296 00:19:09,834 --> 00:19:13,393 It was a rainy day and Cambridge University were playing 297 00:19:13,394 --> 00:19:15,293 a Japanese university. 298 00:19:15,294 --> 00:19:17,013 No one wanted to do it. 299 00:19:17,014 --> 00:19:19,313 You know, I went, shot the game 300 00:19:19,314 --> 00:19:22,833 and then I kind of left early, which is a cardinal sin 301 00:19:22,834 --> 00:19:24,433 for a sports photographer, 302 00:19:24,434 --> 00:19:26,233 leaving before the end of the game. 303 00:19:26,234 --> 00:19:28,053 And on the way to the car, 304 00:19:28,054 --> 00:19:31,593 I just bashed out a couple of frames, jumped in the car, 305 00:19:31,594 --> 00:19:33,033 and I saw that frame and I thought, 306 00:19:33,034 --> 00:19:35,024 "That's a pretty good frame." 307 00:19:42,349 --> 00:19:44,608 When you're photographing something that's gonna happen 308 00:19:44,609 --> 00:19:48,099 for a fraction of a second, there's no luxury to redo it. 309 00:19:49,248 --> 00:19:52,687 I think skiing is a particular challenge because you end up 310 00:19:52,688 --> 00:19:57,688 having to ski the course which is designed for the athletes. 311 00:19:57,767 --> 00:20:00,606 You ski it because you can get to see all the positions. 312 00:20:00,607 --> 00:20:02,646 You can look at where you think the action photograph 313 00:20:02,647 --> 00:20:04,306 will come from. 314 00:20:04,307 --> 00:20:05,446 It's all about preparation. 315 00:20:05,447 --> 00:20:08,506 If you're not prepared then you're gonna get caught out 316 00:20:08,507 --> 00:20:10,586 or you're gonna make a mistake 317 00:20:10,587 --> 00:20:12,917 because you didn't have the right lens with you. 318 00:20:14,027 --> 00:20:17,097 - I've been working for over 34 years. 319 00:20:20,286 --> 00:20:23,825 I am an advanced design lens manager, 320 00:20:23,826 --> 00:20:28,396 and I oversee a group of people designing the latest lenses. 321 00:20:32,246 --> 00:20:35,725 I like most sport but I like soccer best. 322 00:20:35,726 --> 00:20:38,856 I started playing when I was quite small. 323 00:20:40,165 --> 00:20:44,595 The game is about balancing individual skills with the team 324 00:20:44,605 --> 00:20:46,695 and that's fun to do. 325 00:20:46,705 --> 00:20:49,015 It's a lot like the way we work. 326 00:20:49,024 --> 00:20:51,503 In optic research and design, 327 00:20:51,504 --> 00:20:54,563 we try to support the work of individual 328 00:20:54,564 --> 00:20:56,982 with a team effort. 329 00:20:56,983 --> 00:20:59,222 - When Canon came out with auto-focus, 330 00:20:59,223 --> 00:21:03,062 it basically levelled the playing field between the guys 331 00:21:03,063 --> 00:21:06,522 who were extremely good at follow-focusing 332 00:21:06,523 --> 00:21:08,462 and the guys who couldn't follow-focus 333 00:21:08,463 --> 00:21:10,641 but loved photographing sports. 334 00:21:10,642 --> 00:21:14,571 Basically a 600-mil and a 428. 335 00:21:14,572 --> 00:21:17,802 That would be something that you would work with. 336 00:21:17,803 --> 00:21:20,900 - For professional use, the big long lenses 337 00:21:20,901 --> 00:21:25,281 should be both as lightweight and durable as possible. 338 00:21:25,284 --> 00:21:27,843 They need constant updating. 339 00:21:27,844 --> 00:21:31,042 - You know, these lenses, it's good actually. 340 00:21:31,043 --> 00:21:33,382 Very shortly I'll just be able to do this, you know? 341 00:21:33,383 --> 00:21:35,582 I don't have to go to the gym anymore, you know? 342 00:21:35,583 --> 00:21:38,082 - It's tricky because reducing weight 343 00:21:38,083 --> 00:21:41,122 and making it stronger are opposite. 344 00:21:41,123 --> 00:21:43,582 How to resolve this is a big deal, 345 00:21:43,583 --> 00:21:46,202 but it's a challenge I enjoy. 346 00:21:46,203 --> 00:21:49,373 - You know, now I could just 347 00:21:50,661 --> 00:21:52,880 ponce around with this little baby 348 00:21:52,881 --> 00:21:55,040 which gives me another 10 years, 349 00:21:55,041 --> 00:21:58,000 or it gives my spine another 10 years. 350 00:21:58,001 --> 00:22:00,540 This for me is kind of a new toy to use 351 00:22:00,541 --> 00:22:04,040 and adapt to the way I'm shooting. 352 00:22:04,041 --> 00:22:06,120 You know, it's a zoom lens. 353 00:22:06,121 --> 00:22:08,640 That means I have an incredible range. 354 00:22:08,641 --> 00:22:11,340 I can go from a 200-millimeter lens 355 00:22:11,341 --> 00:22:13,820 to an almost 600-millimeter lens. 356 00:22:13,821 --> 00:22:17,480 It makes coffee, and the latte's not so good 357 00:22:17,481 --> 00:22:19,440 so maybe those lens mysters can sort out 358 00:22:19,441 --> 00:22:23,740 a latte function on this thing but it does a lot. 359 00:22:23,741 --> 00:22:26,580 - I did fine-tuning on auto-focus 360 00:22:26,581 --> 00:22:29,180 and the image stabilizing system 361 00:22:29,181 --> 00:22:32,840 used in sports like football, baseball 362 00:22:32,841 --> 00:22:34,900 and motorsports. 363 00:22:34,901 --> 00:22:37,820 I like pictures that have good focus, 364 00:22:37,821 --> 00:22:42,200 but also can catch both the movement of the athletes 365 00:22:42,201 --> 00:22:44,840 and the facial expressions. 366 00:22:44,841 --> 00:22:46,639 That's the best. 367 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:49,619 When people started using digital cameras, 368 00:22:49,620 --> 00:22:53,979 there was no cost limit to how many pictures you could take. 369 00:22:53,980 --> 00:22:56,639 You could take as many as you like. 370 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:58,959 - That gives me the freedom to go with an idea, 371 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:03,280 and just try and work it 'till I thought I got it exact. 372 00:23:04,371 --> 00:23:07,130 - How many frames did you shoot to get this one? 373 00:23:07,131 --> 00:23:09,590 - You know, I shot a lot of images. 374 00:23:09,591 --> 00:23:10,810 Oh man, I don't know. 375 00:23:10,811 --> 00:23:13,641 1,200-2,000 images. 376 00:23:17,331 --> 00:23:18,850 You know, the beauty of working for someone like 377 00:23:18,851 --> 00:23:22,110 Sports Illustrated, they're looking for great photographs. 378 00:23:22,111 --> 00:23:23,790 They're not necessarily looking for 379 00:23:23,791 --> 00:23:26,161 man-crossing-line every time. 380 00:23:33,551 --> 00:23:37,650 I've always tried to push forward and find different angles. 381 00:23:37,651 --> 00:23:39,510 The one thing that's happening with sport, 382 00:23:39,511 --> 00:23:41,710 particularly large events, 383 00:23:41,711 --> 00:23:44,390 is that you become controlled. 384 00:23:44,391 --> 00:23:46,690 So you're only allowed to go to one pen, 385 00:23:46,691 --> 00:23:48,150 and you wanna go up high, 386 00:23:48,151 --> 00:23:49,890 it's a bit of a cat and mouse game. 387 00:23:49,891 --> 00:23:53,741 Wanting to sneak behind the security guards and go upstairs. 388 00:23:55,110 --> 00:23:57,829 Instead of being down on the field shooting the same thing 389 00:23:57,830 --> 00:24:00,120 that 300 other photographers were gonna shoot, 390 00:24:00,121 --> 00:24:03,467 I wanted to do something which was different. 391 00:24:04,897 --> 00:24:07,995 - The reason why I started taking photographs 392 00:24:07,996 --> 00:24:11,655 was because I was deeply inspired by the famous 393 00:24:11,656 --> 00:24:14,995 Japanese photographer Ken Domon. 394 00:24:14,996 --> 00:24:18,035 He approaches his subjects quickly 395 00:24:18,036 --> 00:24:20,035 without letting them know. 396 00:24:20,036 --> 00:24:22,235 Just like a thief. 397 00:24:22,236 --> 00:24:25,295 Even the blurry or out of focus picture 398 00:24:25,296 --> 00:24:29,526 was better if it captured the emotion on the face. 399 00:24:30,816 --> 00:24:32,915 - When you're doing a portrait of somebody, 400 00:24:32,916 --> 00:24:35,875 you're in complete control of 401 00:24:35,876 --> 00:24:38,135 the scene and how you're gonna photograph them. 402 00:24:38,136 --> 00:24:41,095 It's a very different dynamic. 403 00:24:41,096 --> 00:24:44,306 And then you obviously have to interact with the subject. 404 00:24:52,502 --> 00:24:55,021 Michael Phelps I had a reasonable relationship with, 405 00:24:55,022 --> 00:24:57,441 and I was always explaining to him what I wanted to do 406 00:24:57,442 --> 00:25:01,552 and he was very up for the ideas that I had in mind. 407 00:25:03,901 --> 00:25:05,800 I don't get up at four in the morning 408 00:25:05,801 --> 00:25:07,400 and swim for three hours 409 00:25:07,401 --> 00:25:09,670 and then sleep for the rest of the day. 410 00:25:09,671 --> 00:25:12,655 I read the newspaper, I walk the dog. 411 00:25:12,656 --> 00:25:14,335 These guys aren't doing any of that. 412 00:25:14,336 --> 00:25:18,306 They're just focused 100% on trying to be the best. 413 00:25:20,576 --> 00:25:23,395 - Sport is all about winning and losing. 414 00:25:23,396 --> 00:25:26,975 So one of the most important thing a sports photographer 415 00:25:26,976 --> 00:25:30,275 does is get the sense of that in the face 416 00:25:30,276 --> 00:25:32,986 and the body language of the athletes. 417 00:25:32,995 --> 00:25:37,575 - Winning is what everybody wants to see. 418 00:25:37,585 --> 00:25:40,425 But I mean, losing I think is probably a 419 00:25:40,434 --> 00:25:42,533 bigger life lesson. 420 00:25:42,534 --> 00:25:45,423 And in sport it's black and white. 421 00:25:45,424 --> 00:25:50,204 Dealing with losing is a very interesting subject, I think. 422 00:25:51,814 --> 00:25:54,759 - Sport also bonds generations. 423 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:58,239 I can talk to my young workers about it. 424 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,819 It helps stimulate conversation 425 00:26:00,820 --> 00:26:03,270 and makes for better communication. 426 00:26:04,300 --> 00:26:07,660 - Is there a future in still photography? 427 00:26:07,661 --> 00:26:10,178 - People still ride horses. 428 00:26:10,179 --> 00:26:13,598 They just don't use them to get down I95 now. 429 00:26:13,599 --> 00:26:16,179 So there will be a space for photography. 430 00:26:16,180 --> 00:26:18,817 The industry changes, it's changed rapidly 431 00:26:18,818 --> 00:26:22,488 in the short time that I've been around and involved in it. 432 00:26:23,378 --> 00:26:26,708 Experience is something that I 433 00:26:26,715 --> 00:26:29,585 now use heavily 434 00:26:29,595 --> 00:26:32,015 to persuade people to employ me. 435 00:26:33,574 --> 00:26:36,813 All the new toys help you. 436 00:26:36,814 --> 00:26:38,893 They don't take the photograph for you yet, 437 00:26:38,894 --> 00:26:42,484 but they definitely help you capture an image. 438 00:26:45,254 --> 00:26:48,133 - I never stop learning. 439 00:26:48,134 --> 00:26:51,713 Especially when we were working on the new project. 440 00:26:51,714 --> 00:26:54,473 Sometimes experience isn't enough, 441 00:26:54,474 --> 00:26:57,932 so I have to find a new way of thinking. 442 00:26:57,933 --> 00:27:01,352 The young are quick to embrace new ideas, 443 00:27:01,353 --> 00:27:04,383 so I have to work to keep up with them. 444 00:27:11,993 --> 00:27:14,272 - Do you train the young workers? 445 00:27:14,273 --> 00:27:16,972 - Yes, I teach them what I know 446 00:27:16,973 --> 00:27:19,372 and to work as hard as I do. 447 00:27:19,373 --> 00:27:22,332 - And what's the most important thing? 448 00:27:22,333 --> 00:27:23,952 - Love. 449 00:27:23,953 --> 00:27:27,532 When I shout or yell at them, it's with love. 450 00:27:27,533 --> 00:27:29,252 If they can understand that, 451 00:27:29,253 --> 00:27:32,203 then they will work better and harder. 452 00:27:36,533 --> 00:27:38,312 - When I first started, 453 00:27:38,313 --> 00:27:40,892 I was an operator in manufacturing. 454 00:27:40,893 --> 00:27:43,472 Learning the basics of the camera. 455 00:27:43,473 --> 00:27:46,992 Now, I'm an assistant leader of the team. 456 00:27:46,993 --> 00:27:50,703 I specialize in lenses for television cameras. 457 00:27:52,353 --> 00:27:56,152 - To learn communication skills with co-workers, 458 00:27:56,153 --> 00:28:00,212 that was the most important thing that I ever learned. 459 00:28:00,213 --> 00:28:03,812 When things get difficult, always remember that 460 00:28:03,813 --> 00:28:08,312 other people as well as you are trying to do their best. 461 00:28:08,313 --> 00:28:10,532 Technical skills are one thing, 462 00:28:10,533 --> 00:28:14,943 but the emotional support is important in work and in life. 463 00:28:19,653 --> 00:28:21,612 - I don't exactly know why, 464 00:28:21,613 --> 00:28:24,932 but I feel relaxed when I photograph temples. 465 00:28:24,933 --> 00:28:27,012 I think taking photos of the temple 466 00:28:27,013 --> 00:28:29,931 helps sustain my motivation. 467 00:28:29,932 --> 00:28:32,651 Our family had four brothers, 468 00:28:32,652 --> 00:28:36,730 and my father used to take pictures of all of us growing up. 469 00:28:36,731 --> 00:28:39,890 Before my father took me to Samyo Temple, 470 00:28:39,891 --> 00:28:42,690 I wasn't really interested in cameras, 471 00:28:42,691 --> 00:28:46,950 but because of it, I became very curious about photography 472 00:28:46,951 --> 00:28:50,870 and so my father taught me and he was rather strict. 473 00:28:50,871 --> 00:28:54,670 He was really specific in the use of light and shadows, 474 00:28:54,671 --> 00:28:56,870 but you can't appreciate those sort of things 475 00:28:56,871 --> 00:28:58,450 when you are small. 476 00:28:58,451 --> 00:29:01,430 My father would look at my photos and say, 477 00:29:01,431 --> 00:29:03,650 "That's not it." 478 00:29:03,651 --> 00:29:07,510 These are pictures of a three-tier temple that I love. 479 00:29:07,511 --> 00:29:09,970 This is an example of the photo contests 480 00:29:09,971 --> 00:29:12,670 that my father and I used to have. 481 00:29:12,671 --> 00:29:14,370 My father took this one, 482 00:29:14,371 --> 00:29:18,130 and the long shot of the greenery was mine. 483 00:29:18,131 --> 00:29:21,530 Mine has a two-dimensional effect, 484 00:29:21,531 --> 00:29:24,310 but my father's has a 3D feel 485 00:29:24,311 --> 00:29:26,470 and has much more depth. 486 00:29:26,471 --> 00:29:28,230 - So who's the better photographer? 487 00:29:28,231 --> 00:29:30,590 - To tell the truth, 488 00:29:30,591 --> 00:29:32,381 my father wins. 489 00:29:46,211 --> 00:29:49,011 - Why are photographs important? 490 00:29:49,012 --> 00:29:53,389 - On 3/11, when we had this devastating tsunami, 491 00:29:53,390 --> 00:29:56,129 the images in papers and on television 492 00:29:56,130 --> 00:29:58,900 brought the reality of it all into my mind. 493 00:30:00,152 --> 00:30:03,302 My grandmother lives in Miyagi Prefecture 494 00:30:03,304 --> 00:30:05,663 which is near the epicenter. 495 00:30:05,664 --> 00:30:08,203 I couldn't get in touch with her for a week, 496 00:30:08,204 --> 00:30:11,083 and we didn't know whether she was still alive 497 00:30:11,084 --> 00:30:14,143 but the photos gave us a lot of information 498 00:30:14,144 --> 00:30:17,183 until we found her safe. 499 00:30:17,184 --> 00:30:19,543 The images were very important. 500 00:30:19,544 --> 00:30:22,203 Not just for us who lived through it, 501 00:30:22,204 --> 00:30:24,374 but for future generations. 502 00:30:27,742 --> 00:30:31,241 I feel it's important that these photos exist 503 00:30:31,242 --> 00:30:33,432 as a testament. 504 00:30:46,102 --> 00:30:48,201 - Looked like semaphore for a minute. 505 00:30:48,202 --> 00:30:50,641 Okay, thank you. 506 00:30:50,642 --> 00:30:52,941 Or I just open it up slightly. 507 00:30:52,942 --> 00:30:56,081 I was working when I was like, 17, 18, 508 00:30:56,082 --> 00:30:58,881 and I got some jobs at Chaton Studios 509 00:30:58,882 --> 00:31:02,181 as a special stills photographer. 510 00:31:02,182 --> 00:31:06,161 I just liked the family feeling on set 511 00:31:06,162 --> 00:31:08,412 and I went to film school. 512 00:31:10,101 --> 00:31:13,260 At film school there were a couple of 513 00:31:13,261 --> 00:31:17,040 fellow students who went on to make movies, 514 00:31:17,041 --> 00:31:20,480 and I came in on their coattails. 515 00:31:20,481 --> 00:31:23,460 My real break was this sort of 516 00:31:23,461 --> 00:31:26,120 anthropological documentary in Peru 517 00:31:26,121 --> 00:31:31,100 which was so dangerous the director was hospitalized. 518 00:31:31,101 --> 00:31:34,040 He nearly died, and I nearly died 519 00:31:34,041 --> 00:31:36,040 during the making of this documentary. 520 00:31:36,041 --> 00:31:38,300 Just awful. 521 00:31:38,301 --> 00:31:41,500 And I decided on horseback that I'm not gonna do this, 522 00:31:41,501 --> 00:31:43,651 I'm gonna do commercials. 523 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:52,159 I met Brian Gibson who's an old colleague of yours. 524 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:53,179 - Yeah. 525 00:31:53,180 --> 00:31:57,019 - And Brian and I did a bunch of commercials together, 526 00:31:57,020 --> 00:31:58,339 and then he got a feature. 527 00:31:58,340 --> 00:32:02,590 And then Tony Scott got his first feature, The Hunger. 528 00:32:03,559 --> 00:32:05,998 And then I got lucky and then I got a phone call 529 00:32:05,999 --> 00:32:07,258 and I picked up the phone and said, 530 00:32:07,259 --> 00:32:09,458 "Are you available to speak to Francis Coppola?" 531 00:32:09,459 --> 00:32:11,838 I thought it was someone of the crew just... 532 00:32:11,839 --> 00:32:12,918 - So that was a big break. 533 00:32:12,919 --> 00:32:14,118 - It was a big break. 534 00:32:14,119 --> 00:32:16,378 - Were there a lot of surprises? 535 00:32:16,379 --> 00:32:20,658 - Well yes, I mean, I went to calministori studios 536 00:32:20,659 --> 00:32:23,098 and it was supposed to start shooting in six weeks. 537 00:32:23,099 --> 00:32:26,118 So I knew that it should be busy at this point. 538 00:32:26,119 --> 00:32:29,058 There were no sets built, there were just two, 539 00:32:29,059 --> 00:32:31,938 two chippies, two carpenters idly banging nails 540 00:32:31,939 --> 00:32:34,078 into a piece of old timber. 541 00:32:34,079 --> 00:32:38,009 And I thought, "This doesn't look like a real film at all." 542 00:32:39,259 --> 00:32:42,659 And I met Francis and we got on like a house on fire, 543 00:32:42,660 --> 00:32:44,377 and he looked me in the eye and says, 544 00:32:44,378 --> 00:32:47,057 "This film is going to happen." 545 00:32:47,058 --> 00:32:50,777 And I said, "Absolutely, I'm your man." 546 00:32:50,778 --> 00:32:53,237 But in fact, it was a scam. 547 00:32:53,238 --> 00:32:57,277 And all the people involved in the film 548 00:32:57,278 --> 00:32:59,598 had written their own contracts that they'd be paid off 549 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,739 for enormous sums of money if the film didn't go. 550 00:33:02,740 --> 00:33:05,799 Francis was the one who had to shoot 551 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,198 and he insisted we shot and he did. 552 00:33:08,199 --> 00:33:12,078 And so on the first day, when one of the actors 553 00:33:12,079 --> 00:33:14,418 didn't turn up because he had script approval 554 00:33:14,419 --> 00:33:17,118 and there was no script, Francis said, 555 00:33:17,119 --> 00:33:20,358 "Well we'll shoot everything from his point of view." 556 00:33:20,359 --> 00:33:22,778 "And then when we get him we'll do the reverse." 557 00:33:22,779 --> 00:33:24,278 So that's how we started. 558 00:33:24,279 --> 00:33:26,818 - Did you think that was the norm? 559 00:33:26,819 --> 00:33:28,138 - I knew it wasn't the norm, 560 00:33:28,139 --> 00:33:30,958 but I thought it was a good way to get going. 561 00:33:30,959 --> 00:33:32,258 So I just went with it, I thought, 562 00:33:32,259 --> 00:33:34,158 well, let's shoot it that way. 563 00:33:34,159 --> 00:33:36,958 I mean, this guy's much better than I am, Mr. Coppola. 564 00:33:36,959 --> 00:33:38,498 So he liked that attitude. 565 00:33:38,499 --> 00:33:39,878 - So you really learned the business 566 00:33:39,879 --> 00:33:42,038 by the seat of your pants. 567 00:33:42,039 --> 00:33:43,338 - Totally. 568 00:33:44,639 --> 00:33:46,829 They come, they will see this. 569 00:33:48,519 --> 00:33:49,459 - What are you looking for 570 00:33:49,460 --> 00:33:51,020 when you choose material? 571 00:33:51,021 --> 00:33:54,318 - Well I mean, I've done those big films where 572 00:33:54,319 --> 00:33:56,998 it's actually complete rubbish 573 00:33:56,999 --> 00:33:58,738 and you're only doing it for the money 574 00:33:58,739 --> 00:34:01,718 and it made me very unhappy indeed. 575 00:34:01,719 --> 00:34:04,578 But I'm trying to do something which 576 00:34:04,579 --> 00:34:07,238 excites me on a dramatic level. 577 00:34:07,239 --> 00:34:10,858 I'm far more interested in how I respond to 578 00:34:10,859 --> 00:34:13,478 the script as a story. 579 00:34:13,479 --> 00:34:15,598 The best thing is when you go on location, 580 00:34:15,599 --> 00:34:17,438 sometimes I'll volunteer with a designer. 581 00:34:17,439 --> 00:34:20,458 We'll go there and we'll walk around with the script 582 00:34:20,459 --> 00:34:22,818 in our back pockets or in our heads but, 583 00:34:22,819 --> 00:34:24,538 and we'll see what we can find 584 00:34:24,539 --> 00:34:26,798 and for me that's the best way to look at things 585 00:34:26,799 --> 00:34:29,489 is though a lens. 586 00:34:30,458 --> 00:34:34,597 It's a shortcut to my subconscious. 587 00:34:34,598 --> 00:34:37,437 When I'm taking the photograph, I feel something directly. 588 00:34:37,438 --> 00:34:40,657 On Get Up Up, this film I just finished last week, 589 00:34:40,658 --> 00:34:43,867 I did over 40,000 which is not that difficult 590 00:34:43,868 --> 00:34:46,718 with motor drive and stuff. 591 00:34:47,927 --> 00:34:49,766 Tate Taylor who directed it, he wanted 592 00:34:49,767 --> 00:34:51,586 to have some time-lapse, 593 00:34:51,587 --> 00:34:54,547 and I found these scientific time-lapse cameras 594 00:34:54,548 --> 00:34:57,965 that use, actually Canon Rebel 595 00:34:57,966 --> 00:35:01,145 still cameras inside them 596 00:35:01,146 --> 00:35:03,885 but they're powered by a solar panel. 597 00:35:03,886 --> 00:35:07,585 So I could put it in the Mississippi jungle 598 00:35:07,586 --> 00:35:11,845 and set it and it will take a picture every five minutes 599 00:35:11,846 --> 00:35:14,865 and switch off when it gets dark. 600 00:35:14,866 --> 00:35:16,385 That's serious business, 601 00:35:16,386 --> 00:35:20,925 to trust your equipment and trust your lenses. 602 00:35:20,926 --> 00:35:23,965 And so then I saw that 603 00:35:23,966 --> 00:35:28,085 Canon was going into my game 604 00:35:28,086 --> 00:35:31,116 and I was interested to see what's up. 605 00:35:33,165 --> 00:35:35,155 This film I've just finished, 606 00:35:35,165 --> 00:35:37,365 the first day shooting was in a helicopter. 607 00:35:37,373 --> 00:35:41,536 It used a purpose-built ALEXA M 608 00:35:41,537 --> 00:35:43,456 in the nose of the helicopter. 609 00:35:43,457 --> 00:35:45,356 I said, "What lens is on this thing?" 610 00:35:45,357 --> 00:35:47,396 And they said it's a 10-to-1 Canon. 611 00:35:47,397 --> 00:35:49,256 30 to 300. 612 00:35:49,257 --> 00:35:52,377 And I said, "Oh all right, that's interesting." 613 00:35:52,382 --> 00:35:54,601 And then I saw it projected, 614 00:35:54,602 --> 00:35:57,952 it was just beautiful, just gorgeous. 615 00:36:01,602 --> 00:36:05,880 - My name is Setsuko Sotome, 616 00:36:05,881 --> 00:36:09,039 and I'm making lenses for movie cameras. 617 00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:10,659 - Do you enjoy your work? 618 00:36:10,660 --> 00:36:12,619 Is it fun? 619 00:36:12,620 --> 00:36:14,539 - Well, it is very challenging 620 00:36:14,540 --> 00:36:16,879 because a lens is very delicate. 621 00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,999 So it needs a lot of concentration. 622 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:23,910 I enjoy the work but I wouldn't describe it as fun. 623 00:36:26,399 --> 00:36:29,658 A cinema lens weighs over 5 kilograms, 624 00:36:29,659 --> 00:36:31,898 so it needs a lot of strength. 625 00:36:31,899 --> 00:36:34,369 It's hard work. 626 00:36:36,959 --> 00:36:40,129 I've been working for about 30 years. 627 00:36:43,279 --> 00:36:45,529 - Have you ever chipped a lens? 628 00:36:46,618 --> 00:36:50,597 - Yes, but it happened when I first started. 629 00:36:50,598 --> 00:36:54,028 I've only had one lens rejected this past year. 630 00:36:56,858 --> 00:36:58,977 - Are you a perfectionist? 631 00:36:58,978 --> 00:37:00,697 - Not with everything. 632 00:37:00,698 --> 00:37:02,497 I collect coffee cups. 633 00:37:02,498 --> 00:37:04,168 I've got 30 of them. 634 00:37:05,298 --> 00:37:07,735 Well, china heals me. 635 00:37:07,736 --> 00:37:12,095 Unlike lenses, they're all different shapes 636 00:37:12,096 --> 00:37:13,966 and that attracts me. 637 00:37:15,835 --> 00:37:18,685 - Would you like to make some yourself? 638 00:37:18,695 --> 00:37:21,525 - Maybe, when I'm retired someday. 639 00:37:25,555 --> 00:37:28,005 I assemble every part of the lens 640 00:37:28,015 --> 00:37:30,925 from top to bottom on my own. 641 00:37:30,935 --> 00:37:35,175 I'm the only person in my department who does this alone. 642 00:37:36,874 --> 00:37:41,313 There are many women who assemble some units from the lenses 643 00:37:41,314 --> 00:37:44,213 but I don't think there's any one woman 644 00:37:44,214 --> 00:37:47,344 who can assemble from the beginning to the end. 645 00:37:49,374 --> 00:37:52,692 - Two different lenses have different characteristics. 646 00:37:52,693 --> 00:37:55,008 The character of flare, for example. 647 00:37:55,009 --> 00:37:57,068 Sometimes, try as you might, 648 00:37:57,069 --> 00:37:59,668 with some modern lenses you can't get them to flare. 649 00:37:59,669 --> 00:38:01,068 Whatever you do. 650 00:38:01,069 --> 00:38:04,428 Billy Bids had described how he invented backlight. 651 00:38:04,429 --> 00:38:06,568 He was just testing some new lenses 652 00:38:06,569 --> 00:38:09,148 and everyone had broken for a picnic lunch 653 00:38:09,149 --> 00:38:12,048 and he turned the camera on Mary Pickford 654 00:38:12,049 --> 00:38:15,028 and the was backlit by the California winter sun. 655 00:38:15,029 --> 00:38:18,568 At that point, no one had ever photographed in backlight. 656 00:38:18,569 --> 00:38:20,988 Everyone went, "Wow, that's great!" 657 00:38:20,989 --> 00:38:25,066 And it was a lens test that introduced him to 658 00:38:25,067 --> 00:38:28,257 beautiful backlight through Pickford's curls. 659 00:38:29,487 --> 00:38:31,966 - One of your most famous pieces of work 660 00:38:31,967 --> 00:38:33,986 was Angels in America. 661 00:38:33,987 --> 00:38:36,966 What were the big challenges there? 662 00:38:36,967 --> 00:38:39,866 - Well, the script was sort of white heart. 663 00:38:39,867 --> 00:38:42,586 The documentary journey of a young man or young men 664 00:38:42,587 --> 00:38:44,266 dying of AIDs, 665 00:38:44,267 --> 00:38:48,006 to Roy Cohn talking about paradise, 666 00:38:48,007 --> 00:38:52,306 and then to do a sequence in which a poor young man 667 00:38:52,307 --> 00:38:56,526 at death's door is visited by an angel. 668 00:38:56,527 --> 00:38:59,706 I realized the problem we had 669 00:38:59,707 --> 00:39:02,366 was that on stage there's limitless space. 670 00:39:02,367 --> 00:39:04,806 An angel couldn't drop into the same set, 671 00:39:04,807 --> 00:39:07,066 and there's no problem with her wings. 672 00:39:07,067 --> 00:39:10,466 I mean she has a six, eight-foot wing-span. 673 00:39:10,467 --> 00:39:12,806 That's no problem, it's just a stage, there's a bed, 674 00:39:12,807 --> 00:39:14,726 there's a guy in it and she can hover over him 675 00:39:14,727 --> 00:39:19,006 and do whatever but on film she can't drop into 676 00:39:19,007 --> 00:39:22,446 the room which has got a ceiling and four walls. 677 00:39:22,447 --> 00:39:25,746 And my brain wave is we would had to have two sets. 678 00:39:25,747 --> 00:39:27,526 We had to have the normal set, 679 00:39:27,527 --> 00:39:31,566 and then whenever she flew in 680 00:39:31,567 --> 00:39:35,177 we had to have a set that was 400% bigger. 681 00:39:36,745 --> 00:39:40,375 And of course, the producers were ready to kill me but 682 00:39:40,385 --> 00:39:43,495 it was the way to do it, that suddenly the bed was bigger, 683 00:39:43,505 --> 00:39:46,975 the furniture was bigger, the room is enormous 684 00:39:46,985 --> 00:39:48,975 because it was another world. 685 00:39:48,985 --> 00:39:52,035 It was how I visualized it. 686 00:39:52,045 --> 00:39:54,715 I find that if I take pictures as I'm working, 687 00:39:54,725 --> 00:39:57,095 it sparks something off when I look at how I might 688 00:39:57,105 --> 00:39:58,735 change something, how the lights working, 689 00:39:58,745 --> 00:40:00,765 how the color might be. 690 00:40:02,224 --> 00:40:05,123 For technical reasons, I was always horrified 691 00:40:05,124 --> 00:40:08,343 by the lack of communication between 692 00:40:08,344 --> 00:40:11,783 the cinematographer and the lab. 693 00:40:11,784 --> 00:40:15,083 You know, some poor bastard at 3AM 694 00:40:15,084 --> 00:40:17,663 being given reel after reel of negative 695 00:40:17,664 --> 00:40:21,443 and making quick color and lighting adjustments 696 00:40:21,444 --> 00:40:24,403 which could make or destroy your career. 697 00:40:24,404 --> 00:40:28,423 And I said to HBO and bless them, they paid for it. 698 00:40:28,424 --> 00:40:31,623 They bought me an enormous professional printer 699 00:40:31,624 --> 00:40:35,334 with color calibration and I made 70 prints. 700 00:40:37,123 --> 00:40:39,982 The end result being that you can get what I want 701 00:40:39,983 --> 00:40:42,142 as a cinematographer. 702 00:40:42,143 --> 00:40:44,962 At least I have that satisfaction. 703 00:40:50,063 --> 00:40:51,942 - Was it a major decision to start 704 00:40:51,943 --> 00:40:54,002 shooting digitally? 705 00:40:54,003 --> 00:40:55,942 - In a way I couldn't wait. 706 00:40:55,943 --> 00:40:58,702 The last chemical film I did was The Help 707 00:40:58,703 --> 00:41:02,562 and I couldn't get dailies for two or three days 708 00:41:02,563 --> 00:41:04,842 and we were shooting under pressure 709 00:41:04,843 --> 00:41:08,082 and we were photographically very difficult 710 00:41:08,083 --> 00:41:11,142 situations for me, like Viola Davis 711 00:41:11,143 --> 00:41:14,882 with a blonde little baby girl in her arms 712 00:41:14,883 --> 00:41:18,182 and how was I gonna keep that contrast range? 713 00:41:18,183 --> 00:41:20,043 Was I keeping the keeping the contrast range? 714 00:41:20,044 --> 00:41:21,626 I couldn't tell. 715 00:41:21,628 --> 00:41:25,807 I thought I was but there was no immediate feedback. 716 00:41:25,808 --> 00:41:29,167 So it doesn't matter how much 717 00:41:29,168 --> 00:41:30,987 you've shot. 718 00:41:30,988 --> 00:41:33,907 I'm always nervous 719 00:41:33,908 --> 00:41:37,347 and I need feedback and I saw that digital, 720 00:41:37,348 --> 00:41:39,856 if it could only get good enough, 721 00:41:39,857 --> 00:41:42,296 would be that immediate feedback. 722 00:41:45,597 --> 00:41:47,356 - Does it make you braver as a cameraman? 723 00:41:47,357 --> 00:41:49,496 - Yes, insane. 724 00:41:49,497 --> 00:41:52,027 I mean, just little light bulb braver. 725 00:41:55,156 --> 00:41:58,746 - What makes, for you, a great photograph? 726 00:41:59,795 --> 00:42:02,785 - Well it's gotta be something to do with the content, 727 00:42:02,795 --> 00:42:04,085 I think. 728 00:42:04,095 --> 00:42:07,865 Even if it's a photograph in which you don't understand 729 00:42:07,875 --> 00:42:10,385 the context. 730 00:42:10,395 --> 00:42:13,805 There's something about the human face or body 731 00:42:13,815 --> 00:42:16,225 that can be so beautiful or so striking 732 00:42:16,235 --> 00:42:19,185 or so mysterious, or the light. 733 00:42:19,195 --> 00:42:21,835 It's something that just captures you. 734 00:42:23,414 --> 00:42:25,073 - What have been your inspirations 735 00:42:25,074 --> 00:42:27,672 in your working life? 736 00:42:27,673 --> 00:42:29,572 - Truffaut. 737 00:42:29,573 --> 00:42:31,452 That's the sort of film that I had to 738 00:42:31,453 --> 00:42:33,950 just see again and again. 739 00:42:33,951 --> 00:42:36,170 Photographer after photographer. 740 00:42:36,171 --> 00:42:40,590 People who make extraordinary from the very ordinary. 741 00:42:40,591 --> 00:42:44,010 And you see such beauty, not because it's manufactured 742 00:42:44,011 --> 00:42:47,881 but because somehow they see it, nobody else does. 743 00:42:50,011 --> 00:42:51,630 - So did you bring any photos that have 744 00:42:51,631 --> 00:42:53,410 good memories for you? 745 00:42:53,411 --> 00:42:56,090 - Well, not so much for the memory 746 00:42:56,091 --> 00:42:59,070 but I brought photos of my cats. 747 00:42:59,071 --> 00:43:01,450 I like this one very much. 748 00:43:01,451 --> 00:43:03,991 It was taken right after he was groomed 749 00:43:03,992 --> 00:43:05,956 and had his hair cut. 750 00:43:07,945 --> 00:43:11,215 My father used to like animals very much. 751 00:43:11,225 --> 00:43:13,035 Especially cats. 752 00:43:13,045 --> 00:43:14,615 - Is your father still alive? 753 00:43:14,625 --> 00:43:18,495 - No, my father died of cancer 15 years ago. 754 00:43:18,505 --> 00:43:22,155 I don't have any picture of him in his later years. 755 00:43:22,165 --> 00:43:25,715 So yes, it hurts me that we didn't get to go 756 00:43:25,725 --> 00:43:29,235 to more places and take more pictures together. 757 00:43:30,405 --> 00:43:33,495 As a reminder, I keep his hat 758 00:43:33,505 --> 00:43:36,635 and give a glass of water to it every day, 759 00:43:36,645 --> 00:43:39,215 and my cats drink from them. 760 00:43:39,225 --> 00:43:42,765 I think my father's spirit is giving water to the cats. 761 00:43:44,144 --> 00:43:48,063 - Is that why you take pictures of your cats? 762 00:43:48,064 --> 00:43:50,434 - Yes, I think so. 763 00:43:51,944 --> 00:43:53,443 - You told me you've never seen the lenses 764 00:43:53,444 --> 00:43:56,694 you've assembled being used, so what does it feel like? 765 00:43:57,943 --> 00:44:00,802 - I've assembled over 100 of these. 766 00:44:00,803 --> 00:44:04,022 So I thought maybe I'll be tired of seeing them, 767 00:44:04,023 --> 00:44:07,862 but when I see as a finished product in use, 768 00:44:07,863 --> 00:44:10,273 I think it's very cool. 769 00:44:25,743 --> 00:44:28,833 I'm thrilled to see the product I put together. 770 00:44:30,362 --> 00:44:32,792 I think it looks great. 771 00:44:42,083 --> 00:44:43,603 - Now we're doing better, come back a little bit more. 772 00:44:43,604 --> 00:44:44,792 There you go. 773 00:44:48,201 --> 00:44:50,180 Now let's just, let me see here. 774 00:44:50,181 --> 00:44:52,060 My handsome assistant as you put it, 775 00:44:52,061 --> 00:44:54,400 angle the head, there you go. 776 00:44:54,401 --> 00:44:55,531 Yes, straight. 777 00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:58,459 Well the most important thing is communication 778 00:44:58,460 --> 00:45:01,299 in my photography and so I try to basically involve 779 00:45:01,300 --> 00:45:04,590 the talent in my vision and share every moment. 780 00:45:06,769 --> 00:45:09,098 Now let's just, let me see here. 781 00:45:09,099 --> 00:45:11,478 Chin up for me just a little bit. 782 00:45:11,479 --> 00:45:12,379 Angle the head a little bit more. 783 00:45:12,380 --> 00:45:14,718 You can never make them feel or have any sort of sense 784 00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:17,038 that you are not in control and don't know what you're doing 785 00:45:17,039 --> 00:45:19,478 'cause they'll eat you alive. 786 00:45:19,479 --> 00:45:21,418 Let's bring the front end of this out. 787 00:45:21,419 --> 00:45:23,038 Let me get my camera. 788 00:45:23,039 --> 00:45:24,078 Yeah, I don't know what I'm doing yet, 789 00:45:24,079 --> 00:45:25,958 I'm just making it up as we go along. 790 00:45:25,959 --> 00:45:27,178 Bring that forward to me. 791 00:45:27,179 --> 00:45:29,418 I always loved white shirts on... 792 00:45:29,419 --> 00:45:31,778 We did that the last time with Diahann Carroll actually. 793 00:45:31,779 --> 00:45:33,739 We did a dark shirt, but a man's shirt which looked great. 794 00:45:33,740 --> 00:45:34,997 - Yeah, I love it. 795 00:45:34,998 --> 00:45:36,397 - Yeah, I think this will look good. 796 00:45:36,398 --> 00:45:38,317 But I try to keep a happy medium 797 00:45:38,318 --> 00:45:39,717 with me still being in charge 798 00:45:39,718 --> 00:45:41,938 and that's how I really get my portraits. 799 00:45:43,157 --> 00:45:44,816 That's beautiful right there. 800 00:45:52,097 --> 00:45:53,816 Just a little bit... - Yeah. 801 00:45:53,817 --> 00:45:55,296 - That's always where the tension shows up first, 802 00:45:55,297 --> 00:45:56,996 is in the jaw 'cause the jaw is like... 803 00:45:56,997 --> 00:45:58,916 - Also, I have a humongous jaw. 804 00:45:58,917 --> 00:46:00,496 - No no, see I think you've got a great jaw. 805 00:46:00,497 --> 00:46:01,756 Actually, your face is perfect. 806 00:46:01,757 --> 00:46:05,086 It's the kind of jaw that's an easy jaw to light. 807 00:46:05,087 --> 00:46:07,036 For a DP or somebody, it's perfect. 808 00:46:07,037 --> 00:46:09,596 It can be a big jaw but it's an easy one to just cut. 809 00:46:17,577 --> 00:46:18,967 Number six. 810 00:46:20,276 --> 00:46:22,155 This is the real secret of the arts. 811 00:46:22,156 --> 00:46:23,835 Always be a beginner. 812 00:46:23,836 --> 00:46:26,175 Number five, sleep, it's overrated. 813 00:46:26,176 --> 00:46:28,235 You can sleep when you get home. 814 00:46:28,236 --> 00:46:29,875 Well you know, I've shot for so many years 815 00:46:29,876 --> 00:46:31,015 in the movie business, 816 00:46:31,016 --> 00:46:33,395 shooting motion picture campaigns and personalities, 817 00:46:33,396 --> 00:46:35,175 and I've been teaching for the better part believe it or not 818 00:46:35,176 --> 00:46:38,575 of almost 30 years and being able to share my vision 819 00:46:38,576 --> 00:46:40,415 with those that are passionate and are starting to get 820 00:46:40,416 --> 00:46:42,015 involved and engaged in photography 821 00:46:42,016 --> 00:46:43,395 has been a big thing for me. 822 00:46:43,396 --> 00:46:44,435 The bottom line is, 823 00:46:44,436 --> 00:46:46,775 I'm not interested at all in what you know, I'm interested 824 00:46:46,776 --> 00:46:49,675 in what you don't know to push you to that next level. 825 00:46:52,316 --> 00:46:54,835 You can't teach people how to have an eye. 826 00:46:54,836 --> 00:46:56,595 There have been these great cases and that's really 827 00:46:56,596 --> 00:46:58,475 the reward for a teacher. 828 00:46:58,476 --> 00:47:00,875 When you can actually turn that light switch on. 829 00:47:00,876 --> 00:47:03,775 To bring that talent forward is so exciting 830 00:47:03,776 --> 00:47:05,415 and so rewarding at the end of the day 831 00:47:05,416 --> 00:47:07,876 and you see that you've actually changed someone's life. 832 00:47:10,895 --> 00:47:11,925 That's great. 833 00:47:15,554 --> 00:47:16,944 You still look great. 834 00:47:20,073 --> 00:47:21,372 Wet your lips for me. 835 00:47:21,373 --> 00:47:24,110 Now real strong, right down the barrel of the lens here. 836 00:47:26,612 --> 00:47:28,649 Yeah that's better. 837 00:47:28,650 --> 00:47:29,630 Chin up just a tiny bit. 838 00:47:29,631 --> 00:47:32,169 In 1968, growing up in Kansas City, 839 00:47:32,170 --> 00:47:34,009 I borrowed a friend's camera and I said, 840 00:47:34,010 --> 00:47:36,709 I have third row seats to Jimi Hendrix in concert 841 00:47:36,710 --> 00:47:38,449 and I wanna take some pictures. 842 00:47:38,450 --> 00:47:40,409 And I shot two rolls of film back then 843 00:47:40,410 --> 00:47:42,369 and the following morning processed the film 844 00:47:42,370 --> 00:47:45,469 in his basement-turned-darkroom and when I saw this image 845 00:47:45,470 --> 00:47:47,409 come up magically on this white piece of paper, 846 00:47:47,410 --> 00:47:49,669 I was totally hooked. 847 00:47:49,670 --> 00:47:50,909 In the early days, 848 00:47:50,910 --> 00:47:52,529 all my pictures were pretty interchangeable. 849 00:47:52,530 --> 00:47:54,369 The lights were like right over the camera. 850 00:47:54,370 --> 00:47:56,529 They all looked like postage stamps, so to say. 851 00:47:56,530 --> 00:47:58,389 It really wasn't until I started moving the light 852 00:47:58,390 --> 00:48:00,149 off the center of camera. 853 00:48:00,150 --> 00:48:02,609 My early shoot with Tom Waits for example. 854 00:48:02,610 --> 00:48:05,289 And when I started creating a relationship between my 855 00:48:05,290 --> 00:48:08,449 harder, harsh shadows and my strong highlights, 856 00:48:08,450 --> 00:48:10,349 I started seeing something that I found interesting 857 00:48:10,350 --> 00:48:11,629 and I started thinking, "Well you know I'm gonna try that" 858 00:48:11,630 --> 00:48:13,609 "on my next shoot" and started to pursue that, 859 00:48:13,610 --> 00:48:16,309 and then all of a sudden it became part of my repertoire. 860 00:48:16,310 --> 00:48:19,149 For me it was about having irreverent disregard 861 00:48:19,150 --> 00:48:22,669 for detail shadow, I was never about the Codec moment. 862 00:48:22,670 --> 00:48:25,549 I was really about shaping and forming a face 863 00:48:25,550 --> 00:48:26,929 with light and shadow, 864 00:48:26,930 --> 00:48:29,029 and that's how I kinda developed my style. 865 00:48:29,030 --> 00:48:31,969 - Not bad for a 48-year-old, right? 866 00:48:31,970 --> 00:48:33,189 - He's gonna bring the gloves up. 867 00:48:33,190 --> 00:48:36,788 We're gonna go mainly just real dramatic light. 868 00:48:36,789 --> 00:48:39,266 This is still the executioner. 869 00:48:39,267 --> 00:48:40,957 Before The Alien. 870 00:48:40,965 --> 00:48:42,415 - This is history. - It is history. 871 00:48:42,423 --> 00:48:43,762 - Before The Alien. - I know. 872 00:48:43,763 --> 00:48:46,622 - Really, the executioner has retired. 873 00:48:46,623 --> 00:48:48,362 - Yeah, well he's now The Alien. 874 00:48:48,363 --> 00:48:49,843 So give me a kick in the dark eye there, Brian. 875 00:48:49,844 --> 00:48:52,256 Really good, right down the lens. 876 00:48:52,257 --> 00:48:54,076 Angle the head just a little bit this way. 877 00:48:54,077 --> 00:48:55,136 Perfect. 878 00:48:57,097 --> 00:48:59,276 We live in an exciting time and the overall picture 879 00:48:59,277 --> 00:49:03,176 of photography has changed so greatly from the early days. 880 00:49:03,177 --> 00:49:04,927 Better, yeah, stronger. 881 00:49:06,696 --> 00:49:08,375 After switching to digital, 882 00:49:08,376 --> 00:49:10,415 I pretty much know when I've got the picture 883 00:49:10,416 --> 00:49:12,555 and that frees me up as an artist to maybe get out of my 884 00:49:12,556 --> 00:49:16,166 staid style and push myself a little bit further. 885 00:49:17,355 --> 00:49:19,045 There was a kid, there was a doorman at the hotel 886 00:49:19,055 --> 00:49:20,505 where I was staying that was a model with one of the 887 00:49:20,514 --> 00:49:23,213 agencies and he knew who I was and he was getting off work 888 00:49:23,214 --> 00:49:24,993 at four o'clock and I said, "You wanna run uptown?" 889 00:49:24,994 --> 00:49:28,213 "I've got a camera to play with for a couple of hours." 890 00:49:28,214 --> 00:49:30,413 And I went up and I shot some pictures with just natural 891 00:49:30,414 --> 00:49:33,213 window light and a reflector and I just couldn't believe 892 00:49:33,214 --> 00:49:35,653 how well digital sees light in low-luminance 893 00:49:35,654 --> 00:49:37,453 and it made me realize that this is 894 00:49:37,454 --> 00:49:38,793 obviously where everything is going. 895 00:49:38,794 --> 00:49:41,673 Film never was capable of making those captures. 896 00:49:43,154 --> 00:49:44,473 Good. 897 00:49:44,474 --> 00:49:45,673 Oh those are great. 898 00:49:45,674 --> 00:49:46,954 That's fantastic. 899 00:49:48,213 --> 00:49:49,572 - Do the stare down? 900 00:49:49,573 --> 00:49:51,052 - Do the stare down right now. 901 00:49:53,533 --> 00:49:54,213 Better, yeah. 902 00:49:54,214 --> 00:49:56,014 - No wonder I've been beating these guys. 903 00:49:56,015 --> 00:49:58,290 I've been scaring 'em! 904 00:49:58,291 --> 00:49:59,791 - This will be pretty cool and we'll get this all oiled up 905 00:49:59,792 --> 00:50:01,288 and then sprayed. 906 00:50:01,289 --> 00:50:03,048 - Does he bullshit you? 907 00:50:03,049 --> 00:50:05,128 - Sometimes, yeah, he bullshits you. 908 00:50:05,129 --> 00:50:07,648 You gotta bullshit you to sort of kind you over 909 00:50:07,649 --> 00:50:09,408 to get you to the next level. 910 00:50:09,409 --> 00:50:10,488 "You're doing well, you're doing well." 911 00:50:10,489 --> 00:50:13,448 But he's still trying to get the best, you know? 912 00:50:13,449 --> 00:50:16,668 So he gets you to think that 913 00:50:16,669 --> 00:50:18,768 you're almost there, so that's the bullshit. 914 00:50:18,769 --> 00:50:21,708 He's a big bullshitter, and that's good. 915 00:50:25,329 --> 00:50:27,528 - Really piercing eyes right through the lens. 916 00:50:27,529 --> 00:50:29,688 One of the great things about working with personalities 917 00:50:29,689 --> 00:50:33,359 is the opportunity to realize their vision sometimes. 918 00:50:34,828 --> 00:50:36,507 One of the last times Michael called me and he said, 919 00:50:36,508 --> 00:50:38,647 "You know, Greg, I have these pet tarantulas" 920 00:50:38,648 --> 00:50:40,827 "and they have just shed their skin." 921 00:50:40,828 --> 00:50:42,427 He said "I think they might be great for a shot." 922 00:50:42,428 --> 00:50:44,786 "I don't know what we'll do but can I bring the bodies?" 923 00:50:44,787 --> 00:50:45,926 Because they're just like a shell, 924 00:50:45,927 --> 00:50:48,246 like snake when it sheds it skin. 925 00:50:48,247 --> 00:50:51,126 Then we actually ended up gaffer taping them to his forehead 926 00:50:51,127 --> 00:50:54,537 and this became one of his iconic images later on in life. 927 00:50:55,486 --> 00:50:57,445 The stories and the memories that I have, the memoirs 928 00:50:57,446 --> 00:51:00,736 of all the years are extraordinary. 929 00:51:03,226 --> 00:51:05,205 I have such fond memories like of Betty Davis 930 00:51:05,206 --> 00:51:07,485 and the times that we spent together editing pictures 931 00:51:07,486 --> 00:51:09,405 sitting in her living room and the stories that went 932 00:51:09,406 --> 00:51:11,076 back and forth. 933 00:51:21,366 --> 00:51:24,105 I share them with friends and all when we're together, 934 00:51:24,106 --> 00:51:25,945 funny little quips and stories but it's something that 935 00:51:25,946 --> 00:51:28,916 I think is really between the talent and myself. 936 00:51:30,966 --> 00:51:35,025 The styles today have changed so greatly. 937 00:51:35,026 --> 00:51:37,425 They're much looser. 938 00:51:37,426 --> 00:51:39,705 They're much more of a casual nature 939 00:51:39,706 --> 00:51:41,885 which was never what I did. 940 00:51:41,886 --> 00:51:44,045 See now let's open that shoulder up to me, there you go. 941 00:51:44,046 --> 00:51:45,665 And now bring your face up, and now three-quarters 942 00:51:45,666 --> 00:51:47,785 come out this way just a little bit there, that's good. 943 00:51:47,786 --> 00:51:49,705 Now come into her. 944 00:51:49,706 --> 00:51:51,205 All the way, there you go. 945 00:51:51,206 --> 00:51:52,046 And you don't need to look at me, 946 00:51:52,047 --> 00:51:54,147 you can look off right here, there you go. 947 00:51:54,148 --> 00:51:56,305 Open your chest up to me even more, there you go. 948 00:51:56,306 --> 00:51:57,286 More. 949 00:51:57,287 --> 00:52:00,685 I think my work is very staged, very calculated. 950 00:52:00,686 --> 00:52:03,645 Extremely orchestrated, it's really about fine-tuning, 951 00:52:03,646 --> 00:52:05,205 more like a painting, like a sculpture 952 00:52:05,206 --> 00:52:06,925 and that's really the style that I developed 953 00:52:06,926 --> 00:52:08,985 and that's what I became kind of known for. 954 00:52:08,986 --> 00:52:10,376 We'll get a chill down here, let's just go outside 955 00:52:10,384 --> 00:52:12,583 for five minutes and freshen up, we'll come back in, 956 00:52:12,584 --> 00:52:13,723 we'll look at some videos. 957 00:52:13,724 --> 00:52:16,494 I see more emotions from my teaching these days. 958 00:52:17,803 --> 00:52:19,522 Thank you all very much. 959 00:52:19,523 --> 00:52:21,542 On Friday night which is the last day of my workshops, 960 00:52:21,543 --> 00:52:23,522 I put together a slideshow 961 00:52:23,523 --> 00:52:26,342 of 10 to 12 of each of the students' work. 962 00:52:26,343 --> 00:52:28,622 Seeing that on the big screen for the first time 963 00:52:28,623 --> 00:52:31,993 and looking at their work, then I get really emotional. 964 00:52:36,142 --> 00:52:39,181 One of the things I always talk to my students about 965 00:52:39,182 --> 00:52:42,700 is that never think you've taken that successful picture. 966 00:52:42,701 --> 00:52:44,940 I know that every time I look at my work I find something 967 00:52:44,941 --> 00:52:46,620 that could be improved, could be changed, 968 00:52:46,621 --> 00:52:48,151 could be challenged. 969 00:52:49,161 --> 00:52:52,299 And I think that's what keeps driving me. 970 00:52:52,300 --> 00:52:54,320 Once you're so confident that it's all gonna be 971 00:52:54,321 --> 00:52:57,978 a perfect show and a home run, that's when you fail. 972 00:53:21,616 --> 00:53:23,195 - The lens I most recently designed 973 00:53:23,196 --> 00:53:25,715 was a correctional system of the Subaru Telescope 974 00:53:25,716 --> 00:53:28,186 located in Mauna Kea in Hawaii. 975 00:53:29,736 --> 00:53:33,235 The primary mirror is eight-meters-wide, 976 00:53:33,236 --> 00:53:37,266 and my lens corrects the light that the mirror absorbs. 977 00:53:37,275 --> 00:53:39,245 It's a very high-accuracy lens. 978 00:53:39,255 --> 00:53:41,945 One of the biggest in the world. 979 00:53:41,955 --> 00:53:44,245 And it took two years to make it. 980 00:53:47,995 --> 00:53:50,655 - What got you interested in this line of work? 981 00:53:51,894 --> 00:53:54,393 - I liked watching movies and TV very much 982 00:53:54,394 --> 00:53:57,124 and was interested in creating those visuals. 983 00:53:58,053 --> 00:54:00,532 - What movies did you like? 984 00:54:00,533 --> 00:54:03,172 - I like science-fiction movies a lot. 985 00:54:03,173 --> 00:54:05,192 I love the Star Wars series, 986 00:54:05,193 --> 00:54:07,112 the Star Trek series, 987 00:54:07,113 --> 00:54:10,383 and I really love 2001: A Space Odyssey. 988 00:54:11,393 --> 00:54:14,003 - How far can a telescope see? 989 00:54:15,232 --> 00:54:18,591 - I'm not an astronomer, so I don't know all of the details 990 00:54:18,592 --> 00:54:20,411 but it could reach the galaxies 991 00:54:20,412 --> 00:54:22,791 that are close to the beginning of space, 992 00:54:22,792 --> 00:54:24,902 billions of light-years away. 993 00:54:30,852 --> 00:54:33,191 - If you could take a photograph from anywhere 994 00:54:33,192 --> 00:54:35,582 about anything, what would it be? 995 00:54:37,251 --> 00:54:40,370 - I'd like to take photos of the Earth. 996 00:54:40,371 --> 00:54:43,090 I'd like to look down from a space station 997 00:54:43,091 --> 00:54:45,050 or a satellite. 998 00:54:45,051 --> 00:54:47,321 I think that'd be very beautiful. 999 00:54:48,211 --> 00:54:50,710 - Do you think there's life out there? 1000 00:54:50,711 --> 00:54:52,049 - I think so. 1001 00:54:52,050 --> 00:54:54,849 - What kind of life do you think it is? 1002 00:54:54,850 --> 00:54:57,669 - Well, it's hard to imagine, 1003 00:54:57,670 --> 00:55:00,009 but it could well look like us. 1004 00:55:00,010 --> 00:55:02,169 - Why do you say that? 1005 00:55:02,170 --> 00:55:04,649 - Because there's no evidence that says Earth is 1006 00:55:04,650 --> 00:55:06,900 the only special planet with life. 1007 00:55:08,730 --> 00:55:11,369 - So how do you feel about that? 1008 00:55:11,370 --> 00:55:14,129 - Both excited and scared. 1009 00:55:14,130 --> 00:55:16,429 Because it's hard enough or people on Earth 1010 00:55:16,430 --> 00:55:18,589 to understand each other. 1011 00:55:18,590 --> 00:55:21,249 I can't imagine what it would be like if 1012 00:55:21,250 --> 00:55:24,420 we met people from a completely different world. 1013 00:55:35,749 --> 00:55:37,808 - Looking back, is there anything in your career 1014 00:55:37,809 --> 00:55:40,099 that you would have done differently? 1015 00:55:40,989 --> 00:55:43,548 - I don't know, I would have had more theory. 1016 00:55:43,549 --> 00:55:46,568 I wouldn't maybe have detoured so much into the 1017 00:55:46,569 --> 00:55:50,119 photo-journalistic world and maybe stayed in the art world. 1018 00:55:51,668 --> 00:55:54,707 But I'm very thankful for how things have worked out. 1019 00:55:54,708 --> 00:55:57,538 I mean, it's been a fantastic journey. 1020 00:55:59,898 --> 00:56:01,428 - We live in a world where everybody's 1021 00:56:01,429 --> 00:56:02,726 a photographer. 1022 00:56:02,727 --> 00:56:05,417 Does that change the way you see your job? 1023 00:56:06,706 --> 00:56:08,865 - No, I think it's great that everybody's a photographer 1024 00:56:08,866 --> 00:56:12,305 because it means that, I actually know how to photograph 1025 00:56:12,306 --> 00:56:15,465 so my photograph should stand out. 1026 00:56:15,466 --> 00:56:17,445 You know, you've gotta use all the tricks of the trade 1027 00:56:17,446 --> 00:56:19,365 and then of course, you do need to have the latest 1028 00:56:19,366 --> 00:56:22,825 and greatest lenses if you're going to capture, you know, 1029 00:56:22,826 --> 00:56:24,916 a guy flying through the air. 1030 00:56:28,086 --> 00:56:31,376 It is down to the photographer, 100%. 1031 00:56:33,106 --> 00:56:35,465 - Is your craft hard work? 1032 00:56:35,466 --> 00:56:38,665 - At the end of the day, I'm beat. 1033 00:56:38,666 --> 00:56:41,216 I just want to go home and lay down. 1034 00:56:42,285 --> 00:56:44,055 It aches everywhere. 1035 00:56:44,065 --> 00:56:47,175 Legs, back, knees, head. 1036 00:56:47,185 --> 00:56:49,135 Everywhere. 1037 00:56:49,145 --> 00:56:50,595 - Do you think you're getting too old for it? 1038 00:56:52,605 --> 00:56:53,895 - Maybe. 1039 00:56:53,905 --> 00:56:57,235 I feel a lot older than I really am. 1040 00:57:10,665 --> 00:57:12,095 - What area of photography have you 1041 00:57:12,105 --> 00:57:14,505 not worked in that you wish you had? 1042 00:57:15,744 --> 00:57:19,083 - Believe it not, wildlife and landscape probably 1043 00:57:19,084 --> 00:57:21,563 'cause I've always made a joke that I've never been able 1044 00:57:21,564 --> 00:57:22,983 or successful at shooting anything 1045 00:57:22,984 --> 00:57:24,303 that couldn't talk back to me. 1046 00:57:24,304 --> 00:57:26,943 - I tell myself I don't like you, 1047 00:57:26,944 --> 00:57:28,923 and I'm gonna rip your head off and it gives me that 1048 00:57:28,924 --> 00:57:31,564 natural look without me trying to fake it. 1049 00:57:31,565 --> 00:57:32,622 - Yeah, yeah. 1050 00:57:32,623 --> 00:57:34,902 - Are your children interested in photography? 1051 00:57:34,903 --> 00:57:39,602 - Yes, my oldest son is in Africa on a photo safari. 1052 00:57:39,603 --> 00:57:43,242 He has more expensive equipment than I do. 1053 00:57:43,243 --> 00:57:45,222 - Are the pictures any good? 1054 00:57:45,223 --> 00:57:46,682 - No, not really. 1055 00:57:46,683 --> 00:57:49,093 But he seems pleased. 1056 00:57:54,163 --> 00:57:57,633 - Can you imagine a life without a camera? 1057 00:58:02,383 --> 00:58:03,821 - No. 78750

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