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- [QAnon] Have you ever
wondered why we go to war?
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Or why you never seem to
be able to get out of debt?
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Why there is poverty,
division, and crime?
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What if I told you there
was a reason for it all?
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Fellow slaves, it's time
to buckle your seat-belt.
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- [Louise] The QAnon
conspiracy theory
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has taken off
around the world.
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- [QAnon] And we are all
enslaved by a hidden enemy.
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- [Louise] The
bizarre ideology
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has attracted millions
of believers worldwide,
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including a large
number in Australia,
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fueled by the lockdowns
during COVID-19.
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- [QAnon] To
achieve this victory
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against the greatest force of
evil the world has ever known.
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- I really look at it as
like a force of nature.
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It's like a coronavirus
of the mind.
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- [Crowd] USA!
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USA!
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- [Louise] In America,
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QAnon's dark
and divisive politics
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have fueled ugly conflict.
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In Australia, it has led to
families being split apart.
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- We've watched the
change over these last years
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be quite dramatic.
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That's what
raises our concern,
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that we do have family
members who are involved.
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- [Louise] The Stewart
family in Sydney
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are among those deeply
concerned over QAnon spread,
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as they've watched
their son and brother,
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Tim Stewart, become
immersed in its beliefs.
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- Tim believes that the world
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has really been taken
over by satanic paedophiles,
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or Luciferian paedophiles,
they call them,
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and that is represented by
the left, so the radical left.
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And if you don't believe
in the QAnon perspectives,
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then you're a
paedophile enabler.
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- [Louise] Tim Stewart has
been a close family friend
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of Prime Minister
Scott Morrison,
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and has reportedly boasted
about his access to the PM.
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- I would think that someone
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in a position like
Prime Minister Morrison
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would want to
condemn those views
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and indicate
strongly to the public
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that they have no bearing
on his official actions,
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on his responsibilities,
nor on his world view.
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- I find it deeply offensive
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that there would
be any suggestion
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that I would have any
involvement or support
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for such a dangerous
organization.
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I clearly do not.
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- Tonight on Four Corners,
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we hear for the first
time from a family
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who have watched
with alarm as their son
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has descended into an
extremist political conspiracy,
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and they share their
concerns about his relationship
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with the Prime
Minister of Australia.
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On Sydney's suburban fringe,
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the Stewart clan
sits down to dinner.
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- First toast of the evening,
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here's to life's
journey, still going on.
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- Yes.
- Still going on.
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- And we're all in it.
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- Yeah.
- We sure are.
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- [Val] It's good
to be together.
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- [Louise] Over recent years,
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the conversation during
these family gatherings
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has often been
tainted by a dark topic,
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the apocalyptic ideology of
the far right conspiracy theory,
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QAnon, which
has split this family.
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- Yep, definitely.
- Cheers.
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- [Val] We have watched the
change over these last years
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be quite dramatic, and a lot
of that was to do with QAnon.
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- It's not often
that I get home.
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- [Louise] You are a mother
who still loves her son.
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- Yes.
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- [Louise] And
would like to maintain
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a relationship with him.
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How is it as a
mom, watching this?
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- It's not pleasant,
and you know,
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the relationship has
become quite strained
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over this last year.
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- It's like a conversion,
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and there is that religious
undertone to QAnon.
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And so, constantly
donning the armour of God
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and things like that,
because they are out there
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having to fight
against the Satanists
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that have taken
over the world.
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- [Louise] Val and Brian Stewart
and their daughter, Karen,
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have decided to speak
out as a warning to others.
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What has prompted
them is witnessing
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51-year-old Tim Stewart
descend into the world of QAnon.
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- Tim believes that the world
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has really been taken
over by satanic paedophiles,
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or Luciferian paedophiles,
they call them,
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and that that is
represented by the left,
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so, the radical left.
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- [QAnon] Keeping the public
informed when the deep state war
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breaks out onto the surface.
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- [Karen] They believe
there's a spiritual warfare
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being waged and that
they have knowledge of this.
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And so, that
they're on a crusade
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to make sure that the
Satanists are overthrown
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and things like that.
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- [QAnon] The world is
currently experiencing
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a dramatic covert war
of biblical proportions,
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literally the fight for earth,
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between the forces
of good and evil.
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- [Miles] QAnon really
came onto the radar screen
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in October of 2017 on
a website called 4Chan.
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- [QAnon] May
God bless America.
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- Where individuals propagated
this conspiracy theory
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that the United States
government
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was secretly being run
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by a cabal of
Satan-worshiping,
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cannibalistic child predators
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who were running a
global sex trafficking ring
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and were hell-bent on
undermining Donald Trump
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while he was in office.
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Now, this conspiracy
theory was not only untrue,
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it was, in my view,
indiscriminately crazy.
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- [QAnon] That's
why we have Q.
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- [Louise] The
conspiracy theory
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was started by an anonymous
online figure known as Q,
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who has never been identified.
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- [QAnon] Came to be
called The Great Awakening.
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- Someone started
posting as a secret insider
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in the U.S. government,
calling themselves Q
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as a reference to the
Q-level security clearance,
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which doesn't actually exist
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outside of the
Department of Energy.
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And in the initial Q Drop,
saying that Hillary Clinton
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would be arrested
the next day,
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which obviously
did not happen,
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but over time, this individual
or this group of individuals,
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and it's still not clear
who exactly it was,
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continued to post and
continued to gather a following.
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- [Louise] Miles Taylor
was the chief of staff
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at the U.S. Department
of Homeland Security
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in the Trump administration.
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- It was clear to me in
late 2018 and early 2019
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that these conspiracy
theory trends like QAnon
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were a danger to the country,
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and that the
vitriolic rhetoric
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on some of these
message boards
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could jump the tracks into
violence very, very easily.
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We were worried about that,
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and it wasn't just a law
enforcement concern.
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We started to view it as a
real national security threat.
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- [Louise] In the United States,
the FBI has declared QAnon
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a potential domestic
terrorism threat,
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but that hasn't
happened in Australia.
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According to the Institute
for Strategic Dialogue,
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Australia is the
fourth largest country
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for QAnon-related
activity online.
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- In March 2020,
we had, obviously,
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the outbreak of COVID-19,
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and along with
that came a lot of
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sort of associated
mental health pressures.
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And we know that belief
in conspiracy theories
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is quite closely
linked to, you know,
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various mental
health stresses.
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And so, we saw an
explosion of conspiracy activity
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around the world,
including in Australia.
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And as part of that,
we did see QAnon
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come to Australia in
a more significant way
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than it had been before.
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- I think people forget
that coronavirus, initially,
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when it first came out, it was
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very traumatic
for a lot of people.
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No one knew where this virus
had really come from, right?
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There was very
little information.
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It came on so fast,
governments were shutting down,
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people were scared,
it was traumatic,
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and they go
searching for answers.
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- [Louise] Recent university
graduate Jitarth Jadeja
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is a moderator
of an online forum
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for people who've
lost family members
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to what they call The Cult.
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The QAnon
casualties Reddit group
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has about 160,000 members,
including in Australia.
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- The power of QAnon is not
even really about the beliefs.
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The power is the
behavioral change
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that it causes in a believer.
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It's destructive to the
person themselves
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and their relationships,
their family and friends.
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Every day, I see stories of
families being ripped apart,
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people's children
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being kicked out of the
house by their parents,
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people having to call off
marriages after decades,
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people's parents, you know,
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accusing them of wanting
their children to die.
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So, it is the saddest
place on the internet.
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- [Louise] Jitarth was
completely engrossed
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in the conspiracy theory
for a year and a half.
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One of his biggest regrets
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is that he got one of
his relatives involved.
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- And we would talk for
hours, four or five hours,
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just standing in front of the,
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standing in the
kitchen, just talking.
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And the moment I
got out, I realised,
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like, what have I done?
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What have I done?
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And I tried, I've
tried to talk to him.
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I've tried to get him out.
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It doesn't work.
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- [Louise] Tim Stewart, a town
planner and former bankrupt,
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was an early follower
of QAnon in Australia.
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Around 2017, he started a
blog called Sideways Step,
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for expansive thinkers
and spiritual explorers.
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One of the posts is titled
"The Reason for the Treason",
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a conversation for
The Great Awakening.
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- [Tim] The Great
Awakening is revealing
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that dark forces
have found their way
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into the highest
levels of influence.
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- So, the idea of The
Great Awakening,
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and also of The Storm,
is sort of linked to the idea
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that there will be some sort
of cataclysmic awakening
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of all the people
around the world,
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as sort of the scales drop
from their eyes and they see,
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they see this global
satanic paedophile cabal
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for what they truly are.
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And the idea is that that
Donald Trump, in some way,
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was going to
bring on The Storm,
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which would lead to
The Great Awakening.
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- [Louise] Tim Stewart's blog
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lays out a central
belief of QAnon,
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that leftist elites are
running a paedophile ring
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that harvests
children's blood.
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- [Tim] The true
nature of these crimes
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shows that humans are
being treated as a commodity,
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and human energy is being
harvested without permission.
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Furthermore, it is
focused on children,
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who are more
innocent and unaware.
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Why do evil people
wish to rob a young child
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of their virginity?
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Why do they drink blood?
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Why do they need
to sacrifice humans?
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- [Louise] In Australia, Tim
Stewart rose to prominence
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in local QAnon circles
when his Twitter account,
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@BurnedSpy34, was
included in a post by Q,
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known as a Q Drop that
users have to decode.
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- That's how a lot of
these QAnon influencers
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got their start and sort of
first came to the attention
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of the rest of the
QAnon community.
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And so, we know
from archived versions
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of the BurnedSpy Twitter
account that in early 2019,
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he had sort of
around 1700 followers,
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and that by late 2019, had,
you know, 20,000-odd followers.
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- [Louise] The Stewart
family watched in alarm
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as Tim's beliefs
became an obsession.
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- It's really outlandish,
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and we've heard
things, from the queen
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being a shape-shifting
lizard to all sorts of things,
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where a being a might come
down and do some training
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in astral projection
and time traveling
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and things like that.
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- [Louise] Your son that
believes that Donald Trump
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is saving the world
from leftist paedophiles.
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- Yes, that is so.
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- [Louise] And your son
believes and has said to you
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that he believes that
both Jacinda Ardern,
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the New Zealand
Prime Minister,
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and Michelle Obama, the former
First Lady, are actually men.
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- Yes, that has
been said to me, yes.
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- If people wear red shoes,
then they're wearing red
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so that, when babies
are slaughtered
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and the blood
falls on the ground,
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that no one will see
the blood spatter.
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And there's been
tweets from them that say
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if you don't believe in
the QAnon perspectives,
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then you're a
paedophile enabler.
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(bird caws)
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(gentle music)
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- [Louise] At the same
time that Tim Stewart
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was descending into QAnon,
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one of his old
friends ascended
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to the highest
office in the land.
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Scott Morrison became
Prime Minister in August 2018.
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Tim Stewart's wife, Lynelle,
has been best friends
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with Scott Morrison's
wife, Jenny, for decades.
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The two couples
cemented their friendships
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at their local Baptist
church in the early 1990s.
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- It was a close one,
there's no doubt about that.
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The two girls in particular
have known each other
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for high school onwards.
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And then, the two men
who married the two girls
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became friends as
well along the way.
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- [Val] They've had a
lifelong friendship together.
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- [Louise] Would
you say best friends?
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- Oh, yes, I would
say best friends, yes.
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- [Val] Jenny was
Lynelle's maid of honor,
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and Lynelle was Jenny
and Scott's bridesmaid.
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(solemn music)
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- [Louise] Jenny Morrison
describes Lynelle Stewart
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on her Facebook page
as her dear old friend.
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Lynelle says Jenny
is a precious treasure
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and a forever friend.
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When Mr. Morrison
entered parliament,
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the Stewarts were delighted.
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- Tim was invited to attend
Scott's maiden speech.
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He was excited.
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So was I, when
Scott was elected.
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- The member for Cook.
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- Mr. Speaker,
it is with humility.
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- I thought it was
rather a privilege
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that Tim was one of those
who received the invitation.
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I would imagine
that any incumbent,
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speaking for the first time
would ask people to attend
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who were in some
way special to him.
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- [Louise] When Tim
and Lynelle Stewart
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celebrated their 24th wedding
anniversary in August 2017,
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then-Treasurer Scott Morrison
sent his congratulations
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on Lynelle's Facebook page.
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"Happy anniversary, guys.
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Still remember
you telling Jen and I
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a very long time ago
in our little flat in Bronte
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that you had an amazing guy.
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You were right."
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These photos, which
they shared on Facebook,
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are from the following year,
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when the Morrison family
holidayed with the Stewarts
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on the New South
Wales south coast.
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When the Morrisons moved into
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the Prime Minister's residence
in Sydney, Kirribilli House,
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Lynelle Stewart was hired to
work as a household attendant.
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- Lynelle was looking after
the children and the dog,
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even before she was employed,
so certainly was helping out.
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She's technically employed
by Prime Minister and cabinet,
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and her role has
been to assist
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in looking after the
children and things like that.
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- [Louise] Lynelle Stewart has
frequently posted photographs
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from Kirribilli on
her social media,
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including this one of
her and her husband,
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Tim Stewart, in 2018.
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The families even celebrated
New Year's Eve together
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at the Prime
Minister's residence.
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In January 2019, Tim
Stewart shared these photos
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from Kirribilli, saying
he was house sitting.
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The little boy is his son.
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- I didn't think it was
an uncommon thing
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for them to be
there, not at all.
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I can see there's photos
from New Year's Eve there
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and things like that.
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We've seen that, yep.
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(ominous music)
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- Tim Stewart liked to boast
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about his friendship
with Scott Morrison.
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One associate who says
he heard these boasts
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was Eliahi Priest,
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a self-styled online
anti-corruption crusader,
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who was questioned by
counter-terrorism police
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after social media
posts where he said
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he'd successfully hacked
the Prime Minister's office.
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Priest, who met Tim
Stewart once in 2018,
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claims Stewart said he could
pass information to the PM.
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- Tim had said that he
could make evidence I had
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about government corruption
available to the Prime Minister
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and have the Prime
Minister of Australia
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act on that evidence.
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- [Louise] Priest says Tim
Stewart sent him this picture
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of Tim and Scott
Morrison together.
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- I can't emphasise
enough how close
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Tim said the families were,
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which was why he
said there was a way,
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due to that closeness,
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that he could influence
the Prime Minister.
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- At the time, Scott
Morrison was preparing
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for one of his first
acts as Prime Minister,
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a national apology
to survivors
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of institutional
child sexual abuse.
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Eliahi Priest set up a meeting
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with Tim Stewart and others.
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The group wanted the
phrase ritual sexual abuse
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included in the
national apology.
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- So, when the
QAnon conspiracy
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is using the
term ritual abuse,
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they're using it as
synonymous with child torture,
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cannibalism, really
the most gross
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and vivid and
graphic allegations
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of child abuse that
you can imagine.
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It has been folded
into a set of beliefs
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about the United
States government
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in which there are high-powered,
high-profile individuals
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who secretly engage in these
strange satanic ceremonies.
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- [Louise] Eliahi Priest
showed Four Corners
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messages he says
Tim Stewart sent him,
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referring to his attempts
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to get the words ritual
abuse into the apology.
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- [Tim] I am organizing an
intimate strategy for the PM,
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RE: the ritual phrase.
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Okay, mate, I'm just
preparing a message
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to Scott now RE: Monday.
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Once he's awake,
mate, he will kick ass.
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- [Louise] Priest says he
also received a text message
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Tim Stewart said he had
sent to his wife, Lynelle.
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- [Tim] An army of
victims and therapists
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would specifically
love it if Scott's apology
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referenced ritual
abuse victims.
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This exact wording is
a key phrase for victims.
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Think of this like a
code that sends a direct
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and clear message that
they have been heard
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by Scott, specifically.
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(bird caws)
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- [Journalist] Hundreds of
survivors of child sexual abuse
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in the nation's institutions
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will gather at Parliament
House in Canberra this morning
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for an apology from
the Prime Minister.
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- [Louise] On the
22nd of October, 2018,
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Parliament House opened
its doors to abuse survivors
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and their supporters for the
apology by Scott Morrison.
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- There was a lot of people
waiting for a long time
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for this apology.
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We felt like we
were a part of history.
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We wanted it to be
the moment of change.
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We really believed that
this was the turning around
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of the tragedy
of sexual assault
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against children
in the nation.
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- [Louise] That morning,
Tim Stewart's texts
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to Eliahi Priest suggested
he was feeling confident.
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- [Tim] Good morning, mate.
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I think Scott is
going to do it.
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Pretty sure speech is at 11.
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I hope he says it.
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Scott is very aware of
the enormity of today.
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- Government business,
notice number one,
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motion that relating
to the national apology
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to victims and survivors
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of institutional
child sexual abuse.
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- [Louise] At 11 a.m.,
the Prime Minister rose
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to deliver the
historic speech.
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- I move that the
house apologise
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to the victims and survivors
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of institutional
child sexual abuse.
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It happened
anywhere a predator
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thought they could
get away with it,
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and the systems within
these organizations
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allowed it to happen
and turned a blind eye.
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It happened day after
day, week after week,
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month after month,
decade after decade,
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unrelenting torment.
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- The speech was received,
I think, tremendously well.
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It was taken in the
spirit that it was offered,
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which was, I think
a spirit of generosity,
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a spirit of repentance
and regret.
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And that's something that
survivors of sexual abuse
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don't often get.
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They don't often
get someone saying
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I'm sorry that this
has happened to you.
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I regret that this
has happened to you.
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- The crimes of ritual sexual
abuse happened in schools,
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churches, youth
groups, scout troops,
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orphanages, foster homes.
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- [Louise] But close
observers of the process
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were taken aback by
the use of the phrase
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ritual sexual abuse.
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- Ritual child sexual abuse
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wasn't a focus of
the royal commission.
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It wasn't evident in the reports
or in the recommendations,
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and so, certainly there
were questions about
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where did this
phrase come from?
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How did it arise?
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How did it come to be in
the Prime Minister's speech
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in the manner that it was?
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I'm in contact with
international networks
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of mental health workers,
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particularly who treat
children and adults
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who have been subject
to sexual exploitation,
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and I was contacted,
I was emailed.
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People reached out
about this phrase.
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It is a phase that
we're aware of.
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It's a very sensitive phrase.
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- The use of the
phrase ritual sex abuse
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would have been
taken as validation
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of the conspiracy theory
by QAnon followers,
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because it's a person in
authority using this phrase,
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which appears to directly
reference the conspiracy theory.
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- [Louise] Despite
being asked repeatedly,
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the Prime Minister has not
answered Four Corners' questions
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on the record about
whether Tim Stewart
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passed on information to him
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about the wording
of the apology.
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Immediately after the apology,
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Tim Stewart began
tweeting triumphantly
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using his Twitter
account @BurnedSpy34.
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- [Tim] What a great
speech, @ScottMorrisonMP,
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acknowledging the
victims of ritual abuse.
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A new conversation
began today in Australia.
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00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:19,240
It was a stepping
stone to be sure,
498
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:21,237
but we took the step.
499
00:24:21,237 --> 00:24:24,800
@ScottMorrisonMP took control
of the narrative powerfully
500
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:27,273
and commenced phase
one of our restoration.
501
00:24:28,290 --> 00:24:30,090
- [Louise] Tim
Stewart's son, Jesse,
502
00:24:30,090 --> 00:24:32,455
who is also a QAnon follower,
503
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:37,319
celebrated on Twitter using
QAnon codes and hashtags.
504
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,640
- [Jesse] You know The
Great Awakening is in full swing
505
00:24:40,650 --> 00:24:44,110
when the Australian Prime
Minister, @ScottMorrisonMP,
506
00:24:44,110 --> 00:24:46,050
mentions ritual abuse.
507
00:24:46,050 --> 00:24:47,513
Scott is a patriot.
508
00:24:50,236 --> 00:24:51,970
- So, within the
QAnon community,
509
00:24:51,970 --> 00:24:54,290
when it was first reported
BurnedSpy and Scott Morrison
510
00:24:54,290 --> 00:24:55,500
had some kind of relationship
511
00:24:55,500 --> 00:24:57,320
or moved in the
same social circles,
512
00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:59,827
that was taken
as a tacit approval
513
00:24:59,827 --> 00:25:03,440
or tacit proof of this plan
514
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,170
of the conspiracy of
The Great Awakening,
515
00:25:06,170 --> 00:25:08,320
of where the good
guys would take over,
516
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,840
that maybe Scott
Morrison's on board.
517
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,600
You know, and as much as,
518
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:15,050
I wish I didn't
have to say this,
519
00:25:15,050 --> 00:25:19,020
but it's true that the
lack of condemnation
520
00:25:19,020 --> 00:25:21,335
and the lack of response
521
00:25:21,360 --> 00:25:26,057
to that relationship
by Scott Morrison,
522
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:27,095
and I don't like saying that,
523
00:25:27,120 --> 00:25:29,135
because I don't-
I actually like him,
524
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:32,400
that was, like, people
just thought that it was,
525
00:25:32,410 --> 00:25:34,415
it was low key
approval, that's it.
526
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:37,817
And it boosted the
authenticity of the movement.
527
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,200
- [Louise] Eliahi Priest
texted Tim Stewart
528
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:44,190
about other issues he
wanted Stewart to raise
529
00:25:44,190 --> 00:25:45,710
with the Prime Minister,
530
00:25:45,710 --> 00:25:47,800
such as his claim
that school students
531
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,403
were being taught
about homosexual sex.
532
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:52,726
Tim Stewart replied.
533
00:25:52,966 --> 00:25:54,426
- [Tim] I'm in shock.
534
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:56,473
This is going
straight to Scott.
535
00:25:58,100 --> 00:26:00,790
- [Louise] The Prime Minister
did not respond on the record
536
00:26:00,790 --> 00:26:03,560
to Four Corners'
questions about why
537
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:07,473
the words ritual abuse
were included in the apology.
538
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,830
A spokesperson for the Prime
Minister has previously said.
539
00:26:11,830 --> 00:26:13,480
- [Spokesperson]
The term ritual is one
540
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:14,620
that the Prime Minister heard
541
00:26:14,620 --> 00:26:16,710
directly from the
abuse survivors,
542
00:26:16,710 --> 00:26:18,730
and the National
Apology to Victims
543
00:26:18,730 --> 00:26:21,500
and Survivors of Child
Sexual Abuse Reference Group
544
00:26:21,500 --> 00:26:23,650
he met with in the
lead up to the apology,
545
00:26:23,650 --> 00:26:26,410
and refers not just
to the ritualized way
546
00:26:26,410 --> 00:26:28,840
or patterns in which so
many crimes were committed,
547
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,753
but also to the frequency
and repetition of them.
548
00:26:33,470 --> 00:26:36,160
- [Louise] Four Corners has
spoken to most of the members
549
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:39,723
of the reference group and seen
their formal written advice.
550
00:26:40,970 --> 00:26:44,833
The phrase ritual
abuse is not mentioned.
551
00:26:46,090 --> 00:26:48,698
- We honor every
survivor in this country.
552
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:53,120
We love you, we hear
you, and we honor you.
553
00:26:53,130 --> 00:26:56,320
- [Louise] Watching Scott
Morrison's apology at home
554
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,440
was Tim Stewart's
sister, Karen,
555
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:02,193
who had their parents,
Val and Brian by her side.
556
00:27:03,070 --> 00:27:07,430
- When I heard the
word ritual in that speech,
557
00:27:07,455 --> 00:27:09,455
my phone next to me buzzed,
558
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,609
and it was a family member
saying, did you hear that?
559
00:27:12,634 --> 00:27:15,950
Did you hear that? That's the
first time that's ever been said
560
00:27:15,950 --> 00:27:17,573
in the Australian parliament.
561
00:27:24,430 --> 00:27:26,430
- [Louise] The apology
had particular significance
562
00:27:26,430 --> 00:27:30,215
for Karen Stewart, who says
she was sexually assaulted
563
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:31,541
when she was a child.
564
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,335
- A speech that
was to empower us,
565
00:27:35,360 --> 00:27:37,515
to make us feel like
we'd been heard,
566
00:27:37,540 --> 00:27:39,967
to take us seriously,
we achieved all that.
567
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:43,375
So, in the one
speech, I received that,
568
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,840
and then the word
ritual pops in there,
569
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:48,700
and I felt that that
snatched it away,
570
00:27:48,700 --> 00:27:51,770
because it was a signal
to another group of people
571
00:27:51,770 --> 00:27:53,883
that are not there
for my healing.
572
00:27:56,550 --> 00:27:59,110
- [Louise] Karen Stewart's
experience echoes that
573
00:27:59,110 --> 00:28:02,935
of so many survivors,
in both the abuse
574
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,400
and how the
institution responded.
575
00:28:06,717 --> 00:28:08,990
Karen was 14 when she says
576
00:28:08,990 --> 00:28:11,678
she was repeatedly
sexually assaulted
577
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,880
by two young men from
her church community.
578
00:28:16,757 --> 00:28:19,487
She told her parents
and her brother, Tim,
579
00:28:19,512 --> 00:28:21,665
who supported her
through the aftermath.
580
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:26,220
- Even though we
didn't know the details,
581
00:28:26,220 --> 00:28:29,020
the details, at the
time, didn't matter to us.
582
00:28:29,020 --> 00:28:32,095
What mattered was something
horrible had happened
583
00:28:32,120 --> 00:28:35,090
that was emotionally
destroying.
584
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,960
- I noticed a girl who had
lost a softness of character
585
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:41,880
that had previously
been there,
586
00:28:41,900 --> 00:28:45,592
somebody who became hard,
somebody who sought values
587
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:48,116
that were not those that
we'd instilled within her.
588
00:28:48,150 --> 00:28:51,330
There was a change
that took place.
589
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:52,690
- [Louise] And looking
back on it now,
590
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:54,330
like, as an adult
who sort of knows
591
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:56,090
a lot more about the world,
592
00:28:56,090 --> 00:28:59,330
what do you think that
young girl was going through?
593
00:28:59,615 --> 00:29:00,763
- Trauma.
594
00:29:02,930 --> 00:29:04,963
Trauma that I
didn't understand.
595
00:29:06,430 --> 00:29:07,460
Sorry,
596
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:09,914
I'm doing what I
don't want to do,
597
00:29:09,941 --> 00:29:11,523
so just give me a moment.
598
00:29:13,990 --> 00:29:16,975
- [Louise] The pastor of the
church eventually conceded
599
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:20,440
that a serious crime was
committed against Karen.
600
00:29:21,340 --> 00:29:25,323
In 2011, Karen reported
the assaults to police.
601
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:27,868
They decided there was
insufficient
602
00:29:27,892 --> 00:29:29,423
evidence to proceed.
603
00:29:31,930 --> 00:29:33,600
- The emotional
effect and the trauma,
604
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:37,571
we have since learned,
is never out of her mind.
605
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,281
And for us, as a whole family,
606
00:29:40,310 --> 00:29:42,414
we've had now 30 years
607
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:46,400
of what has been
trauma and traumatic.
608
00:29:46,410 --> 00:29:50,645
It's huge, it doesn't
go away, ever.
609
00:29:52,185 --> 00:29:55,018
(thunder rumbles)
610
00:29:56,202 --> 00:29:59,202
(suspenseful music)
611
00:30:07,370 --> 00:30:10,320
- [Louise] Karen Stewart's
experience as a survivor
612
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,455
has amplified her distress
613
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,198
over her brother's
obsession with QAnon
614
00:30:15,223 --> 00:30:19,456
and its discredited theory
about ritual sexual abuse.
615
00:30:23,770 --> 00:30:25,913
- They talk about
saving the children,
616
00:30:27,710 --> 00:30:29,370
but I was that child.
617
00:30:29,370 --> 00:30:31,841
I was once the child that
they claim they're saving.
618
00:30:32,370 --> 00:30:35,552
My life is the worse
for having QAnon in it.
619
00:30:35,970 --> 00:30:40,410
That was one of the
moments where I recognised
620
00:30:40,410 --> 00:30:44,430
that my brother cared
more about QAnon
621
00:30:44,430 --> 00:30:47,495
than about the
healing of people
622
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:50,280
in relation to their
own child sexual abuse.
623
00:30:52,210 --> 00:30:55,020
- QAnon hasn't made the world
a better place for survivors.
624
00:30:55,020 --> 00:30:57,280
It hasn't made the world
a better place for children.
625
00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:00,415
We can't point to one positive
development or advancement
626
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:02,815
that has been driven by QAnon,
627
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:06,440
and it risks submerging,
you know, legitimate issues,
628
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:10,745
legitimate disclosures
within a conspiracy culture.
629
00:31:10,745 --> 00:31:13,328
(solemn music)
630
00:31:23,750 --> 00:31:25,490
- [Louise] In the
past couple of years,
631
00:31:25,490 --> 00:31:28,900
Karen Stewart has become
estranged from her brother, Tim,
632
00:31:28,900 --> 00:31:32,533
and their political beliefs have
become even more polarized.
633
00:31:34,940 --> 00:31:38,360
Karen ran as a state
candidate for the Greens,
634
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:41,640
while Tim Stewart's
views became extreme
635
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:43,143
and sometimes bizarre.
636
00:31:46,010 --> 00:31:49,300
- Tim would be in a place
that I knew I couldn't follow.
637
00:31:49,300 --> 00:31:53,840
And so, that's what began to
create a division between us,
638
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:55,950
because I couldn't
go to the same places
639
00:31:55,950 --> 00:31:57,710
that he would
consider he was in,
640
00:31:57,710 --> 00:32:02,193
and believe what he believed
and support what he supports.
641
00:32:02,295 --> 00:32:03,895
(typing on keyboard)
642
00:32:04,330 --> 00:32:06,710
- [Louise] For families
affected by QAnon,
643
00:32:06,710 --> 00:32:08,483
it's a common experience.
644
00:32:09,550 --> 00:32:11,210
- When I was deep into QAnon,
645
00:32:11,210 --> 00:32:14,320
it destroyed
beyond repair a lot,
646
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:16,200
if not most, of
my relationships,
647
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:20,204
because, at some point, you
can't not talk about QAnon.
648
00:32:20,510 --> 00:32:22,970
You're like this homeless
guy on the street,
649
00:32:22,970 --> 00:32:24,660
shouting about judgment day.
650
00:32:24,660 --> 00:32:28,150
And even then,
it's not a discussion.
651
00:32:28,150 --> 00:32:31,340
You're not talking to the
person, you're talking at them,
652
00:32:31,340 --> 00:32:33,370
and they're standing
there and sitting there
653
00:32:33,370 --> 00:32:36,410
and you can see, like,
the disinterest in their eyes.
654
00:32:36,410 --> 00:32:39,590
You can see the almost
disdain and the pity,
655
00:32:39,590 --> 00:32:41,573
but you cannot stop yourself.
656
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:45,480
- [Louise] Tim Stewart
and his son Jesse
657
00:32:45,500 --> 00:32:49,350
have become increasingly
well known in the QAnon world.
658
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,189
- There's quite a
story with you two.
659
00:32:51,214 --> 00:32:53,224
- [Louise] In November,
they were interviewed
660
00:32:53,250 --> 00:32:55,353
on a YouTube QAnon talk show.
661
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:57,400
- [Jesse] Thanks for having me
on. It's an honor to be here.
662
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,410
- [Louise] Both appeared
using their online personas,
663
00:33:00,410 --> 00:33:04,740
Burn Notice for Tim
and Negan HQ for Jesse.
664
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:09,060
The hosts applauded
the father and son duo.
665
00:33:09,855 --> 00:33:12,045
- [Tim] It was
actually kind of good.
666
00:33:12,070 --> 00:33:15,390
We could really start
looking at things together
667
00:33:15,390 --> 00:33:19,230
and exploring stuff together,
once we knew who we were.
668
00:33:19,230 --> 00:33:20,836
- [Host] What a great bond.
669
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:22,677
I mean, that's
just the great thing.
670
00:33:22,690 --> 00:33:24,310
You're both, like,
separate patriots
671
00:33:24,310 --> 00:33:26,300
that found out you were
patriots in the same war,
672
00:33:26,300 --> 00:33:29,015
in the same troop
and the same battalion.
673
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,081
- [Tim] (chuckles) Yeah.
674
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,730
- [Host] You didn't answer a
question, Burn, who Q was.
675
00:33:35,002 --> 00:33:36,542
Who do you think Q is?
676
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,680
- [Tim] Whether
it's a, you know,
677
00:33:39,690 --> 00:33:42,590
cosmic social
experiment on humanity,
678
00:33:42,590 --> 00:33:46,630
or a really clever
person from the NSA,
679
00:33:46,630 --> 00:33:49,154
that's just, you know, gone
out on their own and gone rogue.
680
00:33:49,179 --> 00:33:50,200
- [Host] Yeah.
681
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,826
- [Tim] Whatever the case is,
it's worth keeping an eye on.
682
00:33:53,849 --> 00:33:56,849
(suspenseful music)
683
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,143
(crowd cheers)
684
00:34:06,868 --> 00:34:08,633
(crowd sings)
685
00:34:08,633 --> 00:34:09,777
(horn blows)
686
00:34:09,777 --> 00:34:11,420
- [Louise] Before
the U.S. election,
687
00:34:11,420 --> 00:34:13,438
Tim Stewart
re-posted a comment
688
00:34:13,438 --> 00:34:18,438
on the far right social
media platform, Gab, saying.
689
00:34:18,507 --> 00:34:20,537
- [Tim] It is our
obligation to overthrow
690
00:34:20,562 --> 00:34:22,782
the tyrannical ruling class.
691
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:24,760
- Two more days.
- After Joe Biden
692
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,420
won the election,
Tim Stewart posted.
693
00:34:27,420 --> 00:34:30,275
- [Tim] The Deep State have
committed open electoral fraud
694
00:34:30,300 --> 00:34:32,115
in full view of the world.
695
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:34,235
Things are about
to get very messy
696
00:34:34,260 --> 00:34:35,929
for those who commit treason,
697
00:34:35,954 --> 00:34:39,137
and for those who aid and
abet those committing treason.
698
00:34:40,350 --> 00:34:42,055
- [Louise] Jesse
Stewart wrote.
699
00:34:42,055 --> 00:34:43,980
- [Jesse] We shall
go on to the end.
700
00:34:43,980 --> 00:34:46,250
We shall fight
on a global scale.
701
00:34:46,250 --> 00:34:48,630
We shall fight in the
fields and in the streets.
702
00:34:48,940 --> 00:34:50,466
We shall never surrender.
703
00:34:50,983 --> 00:34:52,873
Our movement beyond the seas,
704
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,335
armed and guarded
by the QAnon Fleet,
705
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:56,720
would carry on the struggle.
706
00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:02,282
- [Louise] The subject
of Tim Stewart's beliefs
707
00:35:02,307 --> 00:35:04,947
and his relationship
with the Prime Minister
708
00:35:04,972 --> 00:35:08,063
has been raised in
the Senate three times.
709
00:35:08,570 --> 00:35:10,961
- Please don't make
assertions about what I'm doing.
710
00:35:10,986 --> 00:35:14,996
- [Louise] In October 2019,
Labour Senator Penny Wong
711
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:18,620
raised questions about
Lynelle Stewart's employment
712
00:35:18,645 --> 00:35:20,415
at Kirribilli House.
713
00:35:20,450 --> 00:35:22,390
- Is a close friend
of the Prime Minister
714
00:35:22,390 --> 00:35:24,080
one of Australia's
leading proponents
715
00:35:24,105 --> 00:35:26,031
of the QAnon
conspiracy theory?
716
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:30,069
Is a partner of that person
on the Prime Minister's staff?
717
00:35:30,510 --> 00:35:32,820
Has a QAnon
conspiracist been invited
718
00:35:32,820 --> 00:35:36,200
to either the
Kirribilli or the lodge?
719
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:38,920
And another assertion
in the story is that
720
00:35:38,930 --> 00:35:40,200
information from this person
721
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:42,550
has been passed directly
to the Prime Minister.
722
00:35:45,240 --> 00:35:46,633
Has the department, in this-
723
00:35:46,658 --> 00:35:48,320
- So, I'm taking all of
these questions on notice.
724
00:35:48,345 --> 00:35:50,024
- Yeah, I understood that.
Yeah, I understood that.
725
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:54,086
- [Louise] The Prime Minister's
department later responded,
726
00:35:54,111 --> 00:35:57,531
saying that the personal
relationships of the PM's staff
727
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,225
were not a matter
for the department,
728
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,880
and that it had no knowledge
of the other issues raised.
729
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:06,690
Soon after this
Senate hearing,
730
00:36:06,715 --> 00:36:09,935
Scott Morrison posted
a jovial comment
731
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:11,962
on Tim Stewart's
Facebook page.
732
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:14,782
"Happy birthday, Tim Stewart.
733
00:36:14,807 --> 00:36:18,017
Nice to see the mullet
out of the time capsule."
734
00:36:18,042 --> 00:36:20,429
Tim replied, "Thanks, mate."
735
00:36:23,109 --> 00:36:26,079
- I don't understand
why the Prime Minister
736
00:36:26,104 --> 00:36:28,944
would want to be seen
to be with someone
737
00:36:28,990 --> 00:36:31,710
who has such radical beliefs.
738
00:36:31,710 --> 00:36:35,040
That's not who I would
want any Prime Minister,
739
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,680
regardless of who they
are, hanging around with,
740
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:41,500
hearing the sorts of things
that come out of Tim's mouth
741
00:36:41,500 --> 00:36:43,123
in relation to QAnon.
742
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,760
- [Louise] The Stewart
family recall how, that year,
743
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:51,120
Tim and Lynelle
Stewart told them
744
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:53,520
that they were hoping
to holiday in Hawaii
745
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:55,273
with the Morrisons
over summer.
746
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:58,520
- Tim and Lynelle
were just sharing
747
00:36:58,530 --> 00:37:00,568
that there was a holiday
planned in Hawaii,
748
00:37:00,568 --> 00:37:02,710
and my impression was
that it was going to be
749
00:37:02,710 --> 00:37:04,668
a heap up of quite a few
families,
750
00:37:04,692 --> 00:37:06,170
which would include many
751
00:37:06,170 --> 00:37:08,230
who've been going
to Hawaii for years.
752
00:37:08,230 --> 00:37:10,375
They would have
all been involved.
753
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:13,240
Scott and Jenny were
going to go as well.
754
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:14,662
That was mentioned.
755
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:18,475
(helicopter blades whirr)
756
00:37:18,685 --> 00:37:21,352
(ominous music)
757
00:37:26,630 --> 00:37:28,400
- [Louise] In December 2019,
758
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,970
during the Black
Summer bush fires,
759
00:37:30,970 --> 00:37:35,138
the Prime Minister went on
leave and flew to Honolulu.
760
00:37:35,720 --> 00:37:37,175
- [Journalist] Prime
Minister Scott Morrison
761
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:39,920
has attracted criticism
for holidaying in Hawaii
762
00:37:39,945 --> 00:37:42,779
as blazes continue to
burn across the country.
763
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,668
- [Louise] After photographs
emerged on social media,
764
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:49,246
Mr. Morrison rang
in to a radio station.
765
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:52,840
- [Scott] The girls and Jen,
they love holidaying in Hawaii,
766
00:37:52,860 --> 00:37:54,621
and so, we've had
a few nice days here.
767
00:37:56,510 --> 00:37:59,577
- [Louise] Mr. Morrison was
forced to cut short his trip,
768
00:37:59,602 --> 00:38:03,945
the same day as Tim
Stewart's family flew to Hawaii.
769
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:07,044
- [Scott] The girls
and Jen will stay on,
770
00:38:07,069 --> 00:38:09,043
and stay out the rest of the
time we had booked here,
771
00:38:09,090 --> 00:38:11,057
but I know Australians
will understand this,
772
00:38:11,100 --> 00:38:13,480
and they'll be pleased
I'm coming back, I'm sure.
773
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:16,550
But they know that, you
know, I don't hold a hose, mate,
774
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:18,143
and I don't sit in
the control room.
775
00:38:19,035 --> 00:38:21,195
- [Louise] The Prime
Minister did not respond
776
00:38:21,220 --> 00:38:24,160
on the record to Four
Corners' questions
777
00:38:24,190 --> 00:38:26,013
about the Hawaii trip.
778
00:38:26,485 --> 00:38:29,630
(solemn music)
779
00:38:29,630 --> 00:38:30,670
In the past year,
780
00:38:30,670 --> 00:38:33,980
as part of a global crackdown
on QAnon accounts,
781
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:36,960
Twitter has
permanently suspended
782
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,760
Tim and Jesse
Stewart's accounts
783
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:44,062
for engaging in
coordinated, harmful activity.
784
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,260
- It's public interest-
- In October last year,
785
00:38:47,260 --> 00:38:48,849
the concerns about Tim Stewart
786
00:38:48,849 --> 00:38:51,710
were again raised
in the Senate.
787
00:38:51,710 --> 00:38:54,340
- Are you aware that the
Prime Minister's close friend
788
00:38:54,340 --> 00:38:55,760
has been banned from Twitter
789
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:57,940
for what the social
media platform describes
790
00:38:57,940 --> 00:39:00,003
as coordinated,
harmful activity?
791
00:39:01,240 --> 00:39:02,590
- I mean, I'm not sure that
792
00:39:03,830 --> 00:39:08,200
you can characterize
that person,
793
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:09,680
whom I don't know,
794
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:13,893
based on the fact that
the wife is employed,
795
00:39:14,770 --> 00:39:17,140
having gone through
all of the relevant checks.
796
00:39:17,140 --> 00:39:19,406
I mean, I don't know
that that's reasonable.
797
00:39:19,406 --> 00:39:22,077
The only thing that
I'm aware of is that,
798
00:39:22,077 --> 00:39:24,337
as has been confirmed
by Ms. Foster,
799
00:39:24,720 --> 00:39:29,320
is that the woman concerned
has been employed.
800
00:39:29,330 --> 00:39:31,330
There doesn't seem
to be any suggestion
801
00:39:31,330 --> 00:39:34,020
that there is
anything concerned.
802
00:39:34,020 --> 00:39:36,750
- [Louise] The Department
of Prime Minister and Cabinet
803
00:39:36,750 --> 00:39:39,150
was also asked
about the inclusion
804
00:39:39,150 --> 00:39:43,810
of the phrase ritual
abuse in the 2018 apology.
805
00:39:43,810 --> 00:39:45,240
- So, there's an
allegation that
806
00:39:45,240 --> 00:39:47,423
there were changes
to the speech,
807
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:51,310
including, and this
seems farfetched,
808
00:39:51,310 --> 00:39:54,372
but I think it would be
useful to put it to you,
809
00:39:54,372 --> 00:39:57,250
to make sure it's refuted,
810
00:39:57,250 --> 00:40:00,910
that this close associate
had urged a change
811
00:40:00,910 --> 00:40:02,070
to the Prime
Minister's speech,
812
00:40:02,070 --> 00:40:05,360
to use a different word,
the word being ritual.
813
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:09,240
So I'm just
thinking, I'm asking,
814
00:40:09,240 --> 00:40:11,010
can we use this
opportunity to make clear
815
00:40:11,010 --> 00:40:12,520
that isn't the case?
816
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:17,029
- So, Senator, I don't know.
817
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,520
I've just asked all
of my staff openly
818
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:20,900
if anyone has any information.
819
00:40:20,930 --> 00:40:22,800
It would appear
that the answer is no.
820
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:24,530
So, the best I can do
is take that on notice.
821
00:40:24,530 --> 00:40:25,870
- [Senator] Okay, that's fine.
822
00:40:25,870 --> 00:40:28,713
- [Louise] No answer to
that question was provided.
823
00:40:29,870 --> 00:40:32,550
Jesse Stewart blamed
members of his family
824
00:40:32,550 --> 00:40:33,860
for the Twitter ban,
825
00:40:33,860 --> 00:40:36,293
and sent them
threatening text messages.
826
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:39,760
- [Jesse] You better
tread lightly, also.
827
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,430
Wanna play with fire,
and you will get burned.
828
00:40:42,430 --> 00:40:43,894
Watch yourself, buddy.
829
00:40:44,462 --> 00:40:47,920
I'll make you lot
famous, all of you.
830
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:49,567
Fuck around and find out.
831
00:40:51,460 --> 00:40:53,775
- [Louise] Your
grandson, Jesse,
832
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:57,925
has sent threatening messages
to the rest of your family.
833
00:40:57,960 --> 00:40:59,160
- Yes, very much so.
834
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:03,040
Yeah, that's been for a
period of just over a year
835
00:41:03,065 --> 00:41:05,725
that that's been
happening, yes.
836
00:41:05,750 --> 00:41:06,925
Things escalated.
837
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:10,531
- My mother, a
lovely woman, was,
838
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:12,400
I don't know if I
can swear on this,
839
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,870
but called it a
cowardly mother fucker,
840
00:41:14,870 --> 00:41:19,020
so these are not your standard
responses to a grandmother.
841
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:22,000
And so, they were
quite concerning,
842
00:41:22,010 --> 00:41:25,630
and at that point we
recognised, all right,
843
00:41:25,630 --> 00:41:27,570
there's a level
of radicalization
844
00:41:27,570 --> 00:41:31,133
that is very different to
even a year prior to that.
845
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:34,000
- [Louise] Late last year,
846
00:41:34,010 --> 00:41:36,655
the Stewart family
became so concerned
847
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:38,841
they took the
extraordinary step
848
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,695
of reporting Tim
and Jesse Stewart
849
00:41:41,720 --> 00:41:46,080
to the National Security
Hotline several times.
850
00:41:46,090 --> 00:41:48,788
- So, it was at that
moment that we decided
851
00:41:48,788 --> 00:41:51,530
we can make excuses
for lots of things,
852
00:41:51,530 --> 00:41:55,295
but if we're under threat
and our safety is a concern,
853
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:58,280
we have to legitimately
inform somebody,
854
00:41:58,290 --> 00:42:01,134
'cause we no longer
know these people.
855
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:04,615
So, we did make a
report to the authorities
856
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:07,589
to ensure that we were
doing the right thing
857
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:09,086
as community members.
858
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:11,433
- I don't know what
might happen in Australia,
859
00:42:11,460 --> 00:42:13,780
but that's what
raises our concern,
860
00:42:13,780 --> 00:42:16,600
that we do have family members
who are involved in something
861
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:20,073
that could finish up
being a threat to Australia.
862
00:42:22,470 --> 00:42:24,660
- [Louise] The director
general of ASIO,
863
00:42:24,660 --> 00:42:28,790
Australia's top spy chief,
has also been informed
864
00:42:28,790 --> 00:42:32,183
about the activities of
Tim and Jesse Stewart.
865
00:42:33,907 --> 00:42:36,997
Tim Stewart told Four Corners.
866
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,270
- [Tim] I am too busy
to read questions
867
00:42:39,290 --> 00:42:41,880
relating to the nonsense
that's been put out there,
868
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:43,871
which are just hit pieces.
869
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:47,440
I don't promote or support
any kind of violence.
870
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:51,665
- Four Corners has
learned that Lynelle Stewart
871
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:54,177
stopped working
at Kirribilli House
872
00:42:54,240 --> 00:42:55,869
at the end of last year.
873
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:59,671
Scott Morrison did not
respond on the record
874
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:01,855
to Four Corners' questions
875
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:05,480
about whether he and
Tim Stewart are still friends.
876
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:08,840
- I think it's important
for the Prime Minister
877
00:43:08,850 --> 00:43:13,415
and any other national
leader to disavow individuals,
878
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:16,240
either within their orbit
or outside of their orbit,
879
00:43:16,270 --> 00:43:19,326
who harbor these
types of extremist views.
880
00:43:19,351 --> 00:43:21,495
That's really important,
and look, I understand,
881
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:24,175
again, we all have
friends and family members
882
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:26,360
that have unorthodox views,
883
00:43:26,390 --> 00:43:29,380
but when you're put in
a position of public trust,
884
00:43:29,380 --> 00:43:31,380
you have to maintain
the public's trust.
885
00:43:33,240 --> 00:43:36,680
- [Louise] In recent months,
Tim Stewart has shared posts
886
00:43:36,720 --> 00:43:41,137
of Donald Trump calling
the U.S. election The Big Lie,
887
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,055
and has reposted conspiracies
888
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:47,240
equating vaccines
with Nazi-ism.
889
00:43:51,210 --> 00:43:53,508
Jesse Stewart has started
criticizing
890
00:43:53,532 --> 00:43:55,561
Scott Morrison online.
891
00:43:55,970 --> 00:43:57,735
- [Jesse] If governments
start going the route
892
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:00,575
of vaccine coercion, mandates,
893
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:04,240
restrictions for those who
refuse, vaccine passport,
894
00:44:04,240 --> 00:44:06,550
or any other draconian idea,
895
00:44:06,550 --> 00:44:08,870
then mother fuckers
are getting lynched.
896
00:44:08,870 --> 00:44:10,709
Call me extreme, crazy.
897
00:44:10,720 --> 00:44:11,834
I don't give a fuck.
898
00:44:12,270 --> 00:44:14,654
Fuck around and find
out, Australian government.
899
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,770
- [Louise] On April 28,
in response to a post
900
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:20,986
about corrupt politicians,
Jesse Stewart said.
901
00:44:21,011 --> 00:44:24,821
- [Jesse] I'd pay two grand
to see certain people hanged.
902
00:44:24,860 --> 00:44:28,130
- [Jesse] In an email to Four
Corners, Jesse Stewart said
903
00:44:28,130 --> 00:44:31,130
he was referring to
traitors and paedophiles.
904
00:44:31,973 --> 00:44:35,930
He described himself as
a shitposter and satirist,
905
00:44:35,930 --> 00:44:40,747
and said, "I never have, nor
will participate in violence."
906
00:44:43,060 --> 00:44:47,070
- The experience of watching
someone become radicalized
907
00:44:47,070 --> 00:44:50,500
is the most unusual thing.
908
00:44:50,500 --> 00:44:53,020
We know how we
get to know a stranger,
909
00:44:53,020 --> 00:44:55,140
and bit by bit with
every conversations,
910
00:44:55,140 --> 00:44:57,413
you become to either
like them or not like them,
911
00:44:57,413 --> 00:45:01,320
and you can start a long-term
relationship with a friend
912
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:03,145
because of how
that's panned out,
913
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:05,480
but we never talk
about what might happen
914
00:45:05,500 --> 00:45:07,310
if it goes in reverse.
915
00:45:07,310 --> 00:45:12,130
So, the loving and caring
brother and nephew,
916
00:45:12,130 --> 00:45:13,240
it went in reverse.
917
00:45:13,240 --> 00:45:15,596
They became strangers.
918
00:45:15,596 --> 00:45:17,866
- This is a question for
you, Senator Birmingham.
919
00:45:17,866 --> 00:45:19,190
- [Louise] Three weeks ago,
920
00:45:19,190 --> 00:45:22,520
questions were again
raised in Senate estimates
921
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:26,427
about the Prime Minister's
view of Tim Stewart's beliefs.
922
00:45:26,427 --> 00:45:28,470
- So, the questions
relate to whether or not
923
00:45:28,470 --> 00:45:31,820
the Prime Minister had
anything to say about comments
924
00:45:31,820 --> 00:45:35,103
by his friend and QAnon
proponent, a Mr. Tim Stewart,
925
00:45:35,103 --> 00:45:37,890
describing the day of
the Capitol Hill attack
926
00:45:37,890 --> 00:45:40,263
as one of the
greatest days on earth.
927
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:44,240
Crikey also asked
the PM what measures,
928
00:45:44,251 --> 00:45:46,450
if any, were in place
to prevent Mr. Stewart
929
00:45:46,450 --> 00:45:48,580
having access to
confidential information
930
00:45:48,580 --> 00:45:50,183
about the Prime Minister.
931
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:52,720
What are the answers
to those questions?
932
00:45:53,897 --> 00:45:57,575
- Well, Senator
Wong, in terms of,
933
00:45:57,600 --> 00:45:59,890
if you want to pose
those questions,
934
00:45:59,890 --> 00:46:01,730
I'll happily take them
on notice for you
935
00:46:01,730 --> 00:46:05,945
in terms of a response
being provided.
936
00:46:06,620 --> 00:46:10,924
- Do you agree that a
friend of Mr Morrison's
937
00:46:10,924 --> 00:46:13,540
who adheres to these theories
938
00:46:13,540 --> 00:46:16,163
is a possible vector
for foreign interference?
939
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:18,784
- Senator,
940
00:46:20,020 --> 00:46:23,143
I am not aware of the
nature of the relationship,
941
00:46:24,461 --> 00:46:27,073
so in that sense,
942
00:46:27,073 --> 00:46:30,760
it's to some extent
a hypothetical,
943
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:32,970
but I can certainly
assure you that
944
00:46:32,970 --> 00:46:34,420
the Prime Minister takes
945
00:46:35,410 --> 00:46:39,836
his security
obligations seriously,
946
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:44,240
and is alert to all threats
947
00:46:44,274 --> 00:46:48,655
that security
agencies brief him on.
948
00:46:49,165 --> 00:46:51,110
- [Louise] There has
still been no response
949
00:46:51,110 --> 00:46:53,403
to the questions
taken on notice.
950
00:46:55,990 --> 00:46:58,540
Four Corners contacted
the Prime Minister
951
00:46:58,540 --> 00:47:02,407
with a detailed list of
questions five weeks ago,
952
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:06,048
and followed up with his
office more than 20 times.
953
00:47:06,470 --> 00:47:07,481
- Last question.
954
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:09,195
- [Louise] On June the fourth,
955
00:47:09,220 --> 00:47:11,769
the Prime Minister was
asked at a press conference
956
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:13,652
about Four Corners' story.
957
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:15,750
- Are you concerned
the ABC's involved
958
00:47:15,775 --> 00:47:17,795
in so-called
vigilante journalism?
959
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:19,395
Were the
allegations put to you,
960
00:47:19,420 --> 00:47:20,830
and what is your
connection to the man
961
00:47:20,830 --> 00:47:22,100
at the center of that story?
962
00:47:22,100 --> 00:47:25,340
- I find it deeply offensive
that there would be
963
00:47:25,340 --> 00:47:28,760
any suggestion that I
would have any involvement
964
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:31,584
or support for such a
dangerous organization.
965
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:32,756
I clearly do not.
966
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:35,782
It's also just very
disappointing that Four Corners,
967
00:47:36,240 --> 00:47:38,904
in their inquiries,
968
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:42,160
would seek to cast this
aspersion, not just against me,
969
00:47:42,170 --> 00:47:44,149
but by members
of my own family.
970
00:47:44,720 --> 00:47:47,641
I just think that's
really poor form.
971
00:47:47,666 --> 00:47:48,798
- [Louise] Two days later,
972
00:47:48,823 --> 00:47:50,523
a spokesman for
the Prime Minister
973
00:47:50,555 --> 00:47:53,485
provided a one
paragraph statement
974
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:55,597
on the record to
the program.
975
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:58,360
- [Spokesperson] This is
a personally motivated slur
976
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:00,566
against the Prime
Minister and his family
977
00:48:00,770 --> 00:48:02,260
by a Four Corners program
978
00:48:02,260 --> 00:48:04,860
that is already facing
serious questions
979
00:48:04,860 --> 00:48:08,750
about the accuracy, bias, and
credibility of its journalism,
980
00:48:08,750 --> 00:48:10,110
that is now giving credence
981
00:48:10,110 --> 00:48:12,640
to irrational Twitter
conspiracy theorists,
982
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:15,190
and raising the profile
of what the Prime Minister
983
00:48:15,190 --> 00:48:18,663
clearly deems and discredited
and dangerous fringe group.
984
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:24,640
(suspenseful music)
985
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:34,088
- You'll have to
serve each other.
986
00:48:34,113 --> 00:48:35,552
Pass it around.
987
00:48:35,552 --> 00:48:38,221
(family chatters)
988
00:48:38,240 --> 00:48:41,040
We popped over to see
them all the other day,
989
00:48:41,070 --> 00:48:43,800
so it was quite lovely
to get a few photos
990
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:47,680
and feel part of that
very extended family
991
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:49,413
that we don't
always get to see.
992
00:48:50,630 --> 00:48:53,150
- [Louise] The Stewart
clan is deeply troubled
993
00:48:53,150 --> 00:48:55,780
by the breakdown
of their family.
994
00:48:55,780 --> 00:48:58,543
They haven't given
up on Jesse and Tim.
995
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:02,604
- I'm not a psychologist,
I'm his mum.
996
00:49:02,951 --> 00:49:06,357
And I hope that, one day, some
of this might be in the past,
997
00:49:06,720 --> 00:49:11,160
but I know that there are just
concerns that we would have
998
00:49:11,170 --> 00:49:14,450
in hearing and watching
some of what has happened
999
00:49:14,450 --> 00:49:17,233
over, particularly,
this last year or so.
1000
00:49:20,385 --> 00:49:23,195
- I think almost all of us have
broken down on the phone,
1001
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:27,713
trying to explain the
loss of a family member.
1002
00:49:29,271 --> 00:49:31,530
And I know my
mother has viewed it,
1003
00:49:31,530 --> 00:49:33,760
she's described
it as grieving,
1004
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:37,030
grieving the loss of
someone who's still alive.
1005
00:49:37,055 --> 00:49:40,577
And that's a very
confusing emotion,
1006
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:43,390
and I feel for her
in that, and Dad.
1007
00:49:51,376 --> 00:49:54,126
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