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David thanks for being willing to to talk to me like I've heard

A lot of people my parents I really interested in your story because

You have sword

A really

You haven't very entrepreneurial

I've had my games and

I think a lot of game developers

Really have it unfortunately

And I've learnt a ton from you you've liked advised me you advised me on pinstripes Nintendo switch launch

Which went really well and then you also advise me on

Never song

Ty Mawr

And so

That sort of

How I know you is David is really good

Entrepreneur

And creating game

Natalie cream selling

So

That's how I know you and again your name your full name is David Wiley if people don't know you you want to introduce

Do you want introduce yourself in sort of

Give everybody in idea of what you

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Accomplished in a TV

Yeah

A super nice ears

Friend is myself

Giving context to how I know you

I think that's important to you because if someone

If someone like put a gun to my head and said you have to pick your favour

Game developer

I probably pick you

Started

It started because unity

Who are the film crew to your home write in South Carolina

That's sweet

Like inspiring document

Oh my god they make me look so cool because I wish I could tell you a call tell you I wasn't that call well

Like I looked back and I can explain John a whole Xperia

Because

I was so

I was so I felt like I was so small because I'm in South Carolina

And you and I are both on the East Coast

I'm in Newtown now but I owe my formative years

I was in the middle of nowhere in 4 g

I make my games all about that too

Growing up in the country in

Americano flavour of nowhere

There's lots

The trees and everything in

And when I saw that

That Mini documentary

I like like me

Is the oven in the middle of nowhere is not in San Francisco like other typical game developer

And it really like

And so I thought that was the coolest thing

And I love that you were doing everything yourself that was

Bells the other big thing and I think

One of the differences

Between

Me and you

And you do it in

In this amazing everything is handmade and it's true like all your heart is put in

Blows my mind it really is like

It's an amazing night it's not it's nice thank you but it's definitely not a healthy

That's the difference between like

You know we were talking about San Francisco

And like

You know the East Coast or the Rural American Airfield

Is

Amelia

If I hadn't nobody that I knew have in South Carolina and you probably felt this way

And when you're in Utah right when you made the first tree

Correct so like I'm sure there is a feeling of like

You can have to

Pick yourself

What's the phrase pick yourself up by your bootstraps and do it completely alone

That's how it felt at the time

Instead of entering all the

This film crew came over

From Los Angeles

The film

And if they were hired by you

Felt like I was so

I feel like a fraud

You know

Because

You just

You grow up in for me grow up in South Carolina

You don't feel like you're calling

You don't have enough resources you don't know people in the industry

In what I'm learning and I think your channel does a really good job and by the way guys if you want to check out David's channel

Cuddling a description of call

Game Dev unlocked

He's got some really cool resources but my chain on my chainsaw basically

Focus on

You know it

Starting again from scratch and doing it alone and it's totally possible

Until you tell me and I will I get too much in the weeds here but why you taught me was

After the nightmare of creating pinstripe completely alone everything from scratch

I learnt that that is

Cool and it's it shows that it is possible

But it's not really

The best way to go about

In so I've started applying a ton of business principles that you've taught me

How to make games

In an efficient way

Without spending

You know $300,000 of your salary

Over the period of 5 years

How to make a game when you can just spend

Maybe $2,000 on assets from the

Talk about all of that

Ennis

Really what I want about this party

It's just how

All the entrepreneurial stuff that you figured out

And how are you

Create it

Creditsafe

A huge

Successful

I'm studio

Install the town of copies

Just b

Doing

In a smart way

Alarm

But you did make a game called first rewrite you until the until little bit rubber

If you want to talk about your YouTube channel then

It's really quite some people now

Yeah quick rundown

I consider my

The happiest for a long time

Sound Unity Through work

That was the cause thing ever because

Like

Grown up in Virginia I was just as making the only kid I knew that was making mods for all these existing old

3D games like Far Cry

Dart player to win stuff

I love you

I love it was like

Logos

Uncracked that you could do anything you want

In anyway

I wanted to film later in the school and I love film still to

Free commercial use

Mindline

Top myself

And then I made a really short 30-minute game called home is where one starts

NI

Spend 18 months

And I was crap yet codes I use the playmaker I use a lot of ass

To save me time because

I just had a baby

I was working full-time and the hours a week

And I wanted to finish some

I was like what's a wise shortcut

I can do

I can still make a game

Put my personality in my story I was I'm a storyteller got one of the tower story

Yeah but also a cake

I don't have the funds that hire anybody

I just it was very do it yourself

Duct tape together again and see how

Night game

Released in 2015

It ok

Nothing huge like it made some money

You don't have to disclose the exact number if you don't want to

I'm just curious if you're willing to

There's a lot of people wanna know how

Air Force game

Made

Is that something you willing to discuss

Like the first tree because there's like consoles involved it on

Starts on Steam

I did

Price of year and a half to make

15000

And I did not deal with indigo and well that was like 2000

Others

It's pretty depressing

Like who's the finger

I wasn't depressed and here's why I like I was still like I had a safe full time job

But I was still doing

It was just a bonus money on top of my salary and I was actually

If it was full time yes I would have been terrified I would have been like that

But

For me as I know sweet but this game I I was going to leave it for free by the way I was like that

Someone said I think my wife convince me like just pay it was steam Greenlight back then

Pay the $100 and 100 by 100

And then it got voted in

And even 2015 is so much different in 2020

When you tag like stealing numbers

Even back then it didn't do great

To me I was so excited because I can't

Really nice computer with the sand

And the rest I said the rest of the money

And I was burnt down and then that's what I said and I have another game idea I want to have this idea about a fox

Ennis second story that runs parallel to it about

Assign reconnecting with his estranged father in Alaska

And I was like this is a cool story I love time stories and I had a plan I was like I'm gonna use asset again the same as I was

Working for timing we had another baby

So yeah that's the situation I'm in now as we're about to have a second kid in time

I literally right on the

I laid on the floor of my office today with my dog I was talking my dog is his job

It's a job

I don't want to do this any

I'm so exhausted

It's mainly entrepreneurship it's not me it's not disturbing you I know this feeling it's not necessarily making

That wears you out while you're a dad

It's the debt that arch mirror feeling of like

I got to make sure that I don't screw this up

Even when it's going good for you like it

It's going good for both

I think we could both say that

Things are going good for naturally

And finally things of stabilised for my studio

I don't

I don't technically have to worry

Buy it still

They're that feeling of

Ok

Things are good now

Don't screw up what you've already done that's good

I keep it going and keep doing it well

And I always have in my head

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Especially when I have two kids in like you

A picture of two kids

Is it 30

Thirds coming actor

That's crazy really but I think

My wife says like he wants 5 kids I have to do

No my third are my psychic it is arriving in October as well

I didn't I guess maybe we talk about this and disco Down now but it's

I guess my whole point is like

When you have people depending on

It changes your whole

Word games about

And

I just I just want to encourage my audience

If you don't have kids and you don't have people depending on you

Then have some fun

Like really really go for it make a great game in and don't worry too much about

Define it is I don't know if you agree with me

Once you have kids you got to start being more practical

I want to get married or whatever you got to start being practical

About how you create games you can't spend

You know 5 years full-time on a game obviously when you're married and you have kids you got

I guess you got to provide you now

Yeah and that was something important

I had a choice I was like okay

Wish I could be like Thomas brushing make everything ok

I like composing to have done music before 4 years ago

And I meant I was a technical artist at my job that I know had a model I know how to do this

And I love

But like after 8 hours at a job

And taking care of kids and stuff I was like

I still want to tell my story I still want to release

And finish my game

And I don't want to collect my family and that something entrepreneurs of all time

And they have their prom

Of course 80 hour weeks and then like they're not seen her kids are all and I

I really don't want to do that obviously but

Me neither

But that's why I like ok I need

I need to compromise

My vision is right I tell someone my dearest

It's ok to compromise your vision

90% of the way there I'll give you almost there

And it's not totally perfect

Then finish it anyway

Finishing and releasing a game

Is by far the best way to learn

That's how you have teach yourself game that is the finished product

It takes discipline

Making the first tree and then be a dad and working for time it was

It was not fun

After that I totally agree with you like if you just single and you're going to score some

That is like the season

Diving yeah and work your butt off

It was hard even like right now I'm thinking back on

I don't know

I feel the same way men like I was

And I was a bad husband at the time we have kids and I was like a picture

Can I ask my wife I was so involved

It's so upset

With getting everything Perth

And I looked back on it like you said you've got a compromise

I want your ideas and I want my parents to know

It's if the it's similar to the feeling of

When you're in a fight with a family member or you're in a fight with a friend or you

Your spell something

It's really heated in your seeing red

You just want you want to win that argue

That same feeling

Is one of this for me when I want to get something right with

I'm not an unnecessary and then it's really rational

Indecision

As I look back on all the decision decisions are made with pinstripe and

Why do I spend so much time

Understood

Little tiny things to make

My way

In in a look back on and white people don't care about those tiny little thing

No obviously it's about

Like if you had decided tonight

Make the Fox Inn in first 3 looks so beautiful

Then and just

I think the Fox is really what sold

Mum

By the way if my aliens doesn't know that game

Is really popular on

Switch steam

Did you release on Xbox and PS4

Yeah I'm not on mobile but everywhere else

So you're in terms of like success like

You've nail

You've done a really good job

With Premier Inn

If you start if you had focused on

I think if you had focused on making that that

As beautiful as it was

Then I think the game was sold

So there's certain things to not compromise on it

You can't

In understanding where those things should be compromise

I think it's

What separates

The great developers

On the

Yeah

I really like that farts

And I think a way to figure out what

Can

And can't skip

Is 2 release date

My first

Yeah it was a financial failure that I was happy I did it

I wasn't quitting my job is ok just keep doing my friend at school

But what it took me it took me things and I was able to use that data it was it was real data to say ok

Wrong

I didn't mark it it

I didn't have a lead character to Rally round like a fox it was a first-person game

That that made a huge difference

It wasn't as colourful

And I think those things that helps grab attention in a steam thumbnail

It was lots of little things in

I guess

Maybe you know

I think everything's well rested been entrepreneur of some kind but

I am like a very analytical and I'm saying like ok that didn't work

Why did why do that not work

And it was satisfying be like I made a list of ok who's the stuff I want to

For the first tree like I want a market at regular

I want to spend a lot of time on the Fox because that's the whole x the focal Point

The whole game

But other things I was like

I can't do that I can compose all the music

I'm going to licence the muse

I can't do the sound effects and go out my backyard and might make jump in sound effects with Roxy whatever I have

Licence laws

There's a lot of stuff

It's still

You might not like this Thomas

I thought

I was terrified of using all the assets

Because I just knew everyone would

Right

Yeah everybody know the feeling

Asset flipper even I tried hard the right I tried really hard to modify them

But it was still the same geometry send messages

Yeah I don't know the reason why I don't do asset like I've had pretty much to say that I'm trying to do it

Panago

The reason why I don't

Is because

The things that I'm really give today

Are are really strict like I don't know where your gift

So where your Talents are it's probably storytelling

In setting the mood those things

You said you were interested

Like I'm not really sure where all of your where you believe all of your skill sets

For me it's definitely in

The art side

It's so I feel like it would be a mistake for me

To pull away from where I'm gifted in what really separates

My style out for mother

Bye

The thing is is that

And totally fine

Using assets that are

Kodi

Back and ass

So

Will I tell my earlier it is

Find out where your gifting

Where your talent

In lean heavily into that making that cost

But everything else

That you feel like you're not your strong suit

It's just a regular business right you need a house or you need to hire people well in in our case we can

Play kina for the hire a couple of people for a studio

So

Hire people by just buying their assets

ASDA store

And they actually will

It will help you out like if you email these developer

You just spent $20 on a master and I learnt it from you by the way cos we are meeting in

Years ago when you told me out

Your your mentality with

Downloading certain assets that I use now

In our email these two

And they will treat me like

The underboss

Help me out and write custom stuff

That acid

And help me out which is in C

You're using the third person controller

Biopsy

Yeah I was I was using that

Couple things to do

So much

Because I was like one of the first people

Quadruped in an animal

The controller

And he was really

Yeah like an idiot he added after later to make it more compatible but I found out the largest

And so he up to me at time

And I like to think maybe I can give you some information so I can make the acid better

Yeah but

Niall

You're totally right

Internet

Is there all these resources

And you're helping this out developers

And they make a living by selling and

Right they sell by quantity

Ryzen is Asus

And it's called like you can go to all these

Like freesound.org 11 just ask to be credited

And you have

You have whole sound Studios and musicians

Everything at your fingertips right on right from the intern

It's this is this new age

I've just

You know you can be a one man mega studio anyway by getting by crowdsourcing all these people

And painting them at the request

Which is usually like

50 box for Unity Asset 50 box for a licence in a song

Audiojungle upon 5 or whatever

It's exciting and yeah and I was going to say

About

Yeah I was terrified about the environment packs

Like everyone would notice

The factors

You know I read maybe 10000 comments over the course of the years like I'm ready Gravesend Twitter

I'm like a handful

Like 5 to 10 people said that's that

That's that naturepac from unit

Right no one really care

I loved pinstripe I played it with my girl I got everyone on my on my laptop

Play I'll be like him again do you want to play

Yeah I do like we can play My Cherie we can play this game cos pinstripe I want to play pinstripe

As an artist I noticed all your touch

And I was amazed by and that's why you want my favourite

And I want you like to know

It's hard because the layperson like the gamer who doesn't have a good time

Feel some feels you know gonna feels yeah but whatever

Do I make emotional games I think you have got a heart to the story

Right

Well it depends

It really

And and

Where you where your target market is like

Right now I think my I've made

2

I've made to like

Like that

Heavy stories very emotional endings

I think what I'm gonna do

And you kind of gone down this path as well

Is

I want to try and make some money in the game industry

This year and make this year

Maybe that's not what you're doing but in terms of making you know your

York

But for me this year I want to focus on the business

The Irish premiership side of things

How do I

Maybe maybe do a little bit experimentation so for me I'm going to try and

Or games

Are 3 games in the next hour and a half

Papa mama like sauce

Find little short games

Because I want to see I want to see what

Right I mean I think it's important for

Game developers to

This is a silly I was actually want to talk to you about

I'm

I'm of the opinion that game developers indie game developer

Tend to take themselves

I'm too serious

Like

I'm going to be a profit of the game industry like I'm in

You are like a poet

Like I'm going to be

The one who made

Games that really hit people in the field

And change people's lives

And what I've learnt

I think I'm taking myself a little bit too serious

I think I just need to make games and people are going to enjoy them

And maybe I'll look back one day and say that

You know it was better for me to focus on

Super highly emotional game

Change the world as opposed to

Just fun games

You know short fun games

Maybe I'll look back and say that but right now I don't know the answer I don't know what my role is are my

Calling is in the game industry

And I think the

Like you said it's important to just released games

Not take yourself too seriously like for you

You could have been really cocky and said I'm not gonna

Use any assets from the answer

But instead you were like

Now

I just need to get this done

And I think that is

What I think that is

Terminology of game developers the weather

Most game developers

Way to principal

They care way too much about doing things from scratch and it lead them to never released stuff and never finished

I think

Principles can be

If your to stabbing of your principal

It can be dangerous if it never leads to

Finishing and

Great and

Yeah

I use I used to beat myself up I think ever

Creative they have Imposter syndrome

Of course I did

I know I was just trying out

Throwing the stuff together cuz I wanted to tell my story

It wasn't

As

It wasn't hi are enough it was

It wasn't Principe

Enough

Me and my wife she's an art

And she's a traditional Irish she does collage

Without paper

It's fine

She's she's awesome she's done

Yeah she's in galleries and stuff and we have this conversation all the time

What's the balance between art

And commercialise a

And it

It's hard

I don't know if I know all the answers but

I know that

I love

Tell my story

I don't want to repeat the last but I want to use these resources available from the

What's the story

And I want to make original somehow

And I

I don't

And I would rather a game as imperfect be release

And not released it on then

No one would know that story even if it

Even if it's not as high or is principal

Principles other games

If you know what I

That was like Canada to say I had them

I call.my compromising your vision

A little bit

And I am glad I did because if I did

My life would never change

Primarily seen my imperfect

Honest

You know beautiful game

The first tree

I'm still alive

That's why I

You know

If you're if you're listening to this in

20 years old

I tended tell that people

Ghostwriter fam

When you have a family suddenly

Your games are not your babies anymore

They're your babies are your baby

In maybe maybe if you don't want to get married I don't want to have a family or whatever

Then instead maybe start

Volunteering summer

You're helping out in a community like

Being with people

As opposed to just working on your game

Because it in reality it's not even your

Game that point it's just you focusing on you

It's like all self consume

What what am I trying to tell the world

What's my Game supposed to be about

How much money is my game going to make

And at me I've been in there

Mentality even now

Sometimes being super spikes selfish of how I make

Amen Orbison going out my daughter or my wife

Alright like yesterday went ultrasound

Love my baby boy

Silas

All the sudden feeling of my

Games are all about me is stripped away and it's like nano my games don't belong to me

They belong to the people who play them they belong to my family in the sense that it provides for them

And the really not mine

And I think that's a really good way to approach games without

Because you don't get soap in it

About every little decision

It's much more relaxed in

Ireland am from you in our call last year

Because your approach the games is so

What's the word it's

Your objective about

Is a list of teams that

Very babe business mind

Maybe I'm wrong but that's how I feel

No

Night

Yeah I don't

Think of it like that

You know what it is and I never even considered myself

Official entrepreneur Arena put in my LinkedIn profile

Hustle and whatever yeah

But it is

That's what it became after I quit my day job because the first treated well not cos I'm super risk-averse

I'm not going to quit

We have money in the

Can we have a

We can live off

For a few years ago

Rihanna

The business staff

I don't know I do

Having

Like having depends

And providing for your family That Changes Everything

At the end of the day you just want to me

You're you want to

This game you love bye

I tried to be like that three I got imagine three circles in a venn diagram

And you're trying to find

The perfect idea

Have a gamer you're passionate about and one of the Cirque

A game that you're actually able to make with your resources

And then a game in the third circle the game at all actually

That has like a hooray that people actually

The Pigman

And the Magic set the magic ingredients if you can find a game idea that fits all through the circles put it in the middle

The new are

You have something special

And you need to de-stress

And I guess like discipline comes into entrepreneurship readers work

Even when you don't want to

But yeah

The idea of

The fan hitting the finish line

That's really important to me

And I think it's also why

That's that's also why

Like I want I don't want to like give up and I said a plan and that's why

Like I want to do things for

I don't finish

And all the work was fun

And I'm finishing a new finishing was rewarding

Because I released a really small game beforehand that's what I thought

Tell people over and over and over again

Finisher game so you know you can finish again

Danny I'm gonna do and you're next game

Third game for

And

If you do that I really don't see how you can

Find critical and financial success it will take a while

But it would definitely

Tell me a little bit about

What that feeling was like

When

The first tree

Wet games

It did really really well and it's team large

I I remember when we were talking when I first met you you still work

Working your day job when it went really well

So what was that process like cos you said you're risk-averse

For me I would have just quit my job immediate

I can't say what day

Yeah the numbers

You know what was that

Yeah the process

I took a day off

They're PTO to launch my game

So yes team released late 2017

N

What is the thing like I was hoping as a Crossing my fingers

That it would go popular it would be popular in by popular man it would hit the front pages

Yeah all of my efforts

3 like a year of marketing was for one day and that was launched a

I wanted to hit the front page of the the new and trending tab

And so it happened and I had a gameplay and I have

I can't my lunch

Check

Help me out with my lights with mirrors

Yeah I might actually use your core

Which again

Myallianz tinder description I used Dave

Course

To teach me some

The things

Like you said that the

Split

Checklist

And I use that for Nevis

I mean Like Clockwork Man

I was on the front page

For 5 days

5 days it was the same as me 5 days

On the front page of the first tree

Like you are like an extremely hard

That was you that was your YouTube channel

All your fans

On the phone yesterday

Second-hand jewellery

He made a game called Jenny McClure

That's a great game

Talk about you on the phone I said he needs again

Is a lateral

For all of us

Is is

Just a fascinating in

Damn

But he said on the phone he was like me it seems like you just work all the time

Are you doing YouTube when you're making games and I just admitted to

And I'll give it to you now I work 7 hours a day

Lately I wake up it is good I mean I think

I wake up at 8:30 lately I get off

5 I'll work out in the middle of my day so I take

Make an hour and a half

Can you play

What I'm learning is

I need a start rewarding myself a little bit I don't have to be in the ground all the time

My wife is like

What's on my Wi-Fi

Not working enough and she was like

Why did you work so hard

And I was like I guess to he

And she's like yeah so enjoy it

Yeah it's a little side no I don't work that much anymore and it's because I've learnt the work Smart

You know

That was that was with your advice and also the course you

You did really help

I'm glad it helped honestly after so you know I was working full-time

And I do about 10 hours a week on my game

So is 50 hour weeks for

Brilliant a few years

Like extra but there was an impossible

No I'm just saying H just 10 hours on the first 10 hours a week

Like maybe the other 14 cos I work on a Saturday

Yeah that's good

And as well that's true but that's why

It sucks when people ask me they like I'm going to do it your way

I want to make a game

I'm working 5060 hour week

At my daytime

I might help that you can do it like a really yeah I don't think that's possible I think my other day job

H a week

Yeah dude I've heard that

I've heard that's the norm

And maybe people in the comments come let us know how much they work

I'm bi I had a job where my boss was like you shouldn't be working more than

And so we would clock out

Oliver skipp

25 employees

We would clock out at 5

And that's that's what allowed me to go home and have your energy

Yeah mate pinstripes

That isn't important I like putting that disclaimer out there because I was working full-time but I wasn't doing crunch like I'm not like it

Rockstar Games are naughty dog and

Kill themselves all the time

You can't make an indie game

I'm that kinda scared

On in York

No I don't think it's possible have they can't create a minute

Bernal I can full time now which is still crazy to me and I do about 7

I'm your

When it's your own business

You're so much more productive then if you doing meetings all day at Aladdin off

7 hours I would

I agree I really do agree and I've learnt that

When you work in an 8-hour day at it

TES jobs

You going to be as your way through the day

So you just gonna

I used to jump on social media and just sorted chill a little bit

And take my time because I knew the deadline was for a project was like to wee

Cabin in two weeks when I really try to get it done a week you know

Does that a little

There's over head

Working with that many people

In a company

When you quit your job in in champion to running your own studio

I'm sure you felt like

Is Ardwick ok I can't screw this up I got it work hard and

It's scary

What gives me relaxation is that we have save

And that disaster happened

I will be ok for a couple years and then I'll be ok and get another job

We ran out of money

It is it stress what is the entrepreneur

I've been an indie game developer and

That's why and I think this is cool cos you're doing the same thing you

You have your fingers in a lot of pies

Because not one source of income can really support a mortgage and children

Children are expensive

Houses are they are

So I like what you're doing in this kind of clothes back to Game Dev unlocked

Is

I want to diversifi

Just

Income stream

So that's what a lot of can't send creators doing out

Even YouTubers to say like oh yeah

Barely anything we got murder later

We are all sorts of Little Things

And so get games

It came from this idea

Of me

I love the hell

I answer emails

Every day

Because my YouTube Jasmine exploring and now I'm getting a breaking point

Yeah oh yeah

But I love helping people that's why I spoke GDC I I couldn't wait

Explain everything I learnt about the first because I want to help other developers can I get emails

How do you do it this is so inspiring

The lotto

But luck isn't the only thing as a lot of hard work involved in

Analysis

Game

I can answer emails all day for the rest of my life

I can make this learning resource

And May

Really good

My pudding

You're tons of money in time into this online School

But answers it's everything I've learnt

Every little thing I've learnt I put in the game Devon

And there is like there's the paid score which again that will help sustain my family but also

YouTube videos I got your doing I love that you're sharing with the world

Is it a good idea to talk to these

Excited

New new car

But games so yeah and that's that's what I've learnt this is

People are

Do you know it is apparently like a rockstar job title

Like it

It's because it's like

No I'm just like a sweaty nerd

Sitting in front of a period

What is the wind coming out one of my videos said I would like a Philly cheesesteak

Means by I can see that it's just

Game developers in like myself we just sit in front of a computer all day and

Just get greasy while we make games

Why did the hobo comment

People to get a quick head hobo

Philly cheesesteak

But my whole point saying there is there

Is it it is in a rockstar job

In the

It's really cool when you want a game

People love it

Bye

I learnt that

You know I talk to I talk to some some guy came over my house to spray for spiders and bugs and he just talk to me he was young

I just want to talk about things about me that was so cool and

Yeah people people that it and

What I've learnt is

Really cool sounds cool and it is cool like you and I have a really

I guess it's

Like you said

You really have to if you want to be

You can't have your finger in the world if

And you gotta learn

To be okay' with taking your time on things that aren't

Sincerely

Mama

To keep your studio going

Like almost can't be

As successful as you

Even though you're still putting your fingers in a lot of pies you don't necessarily

But for me for a while I had to do that

Like I had to do YouTube

MP3

So what is it with the list

Patreon YouTube ads YouTube

Two shapes

Kickstarter campaigns every like 2 or 3 years

Revenue from all different platform

And then I will take on three lions everyone

Different places that the revenue is dripping in from and adds up

And

I don't know like do you have

Do you have any advice for my audience about various places that they can

Picking

Wilder while they're watching the game

The game is not making enough money

Do you have any ideas for them about

Picking revenue from various places or should they just

The job

How many

It's a big question

It's different for everybody

Here's what

For me

Even I go back

Back can I go back to the original question

When the first three launched on Steam and did well I still don't quit my job because I was so scared

And it was I made by Low six figures

And then I was like why put it down payment on a house that was the big

Yes

Turn on the money

Want to that and then I was

Engine staff wasn't that much

Oh really so you took the money from you took the money from first train pretty do it

Yeah

Set down to just a down payment

Other house yeah

And that was the best mate yeah it was scary because I never spent that much money on something but it felt like the right

Play with their

America and I did the same thing with pinstripe by the way

We are able to provide 20% into a house as a

But it also said US into this really rare

Position

Ok can I still

Emily though

Wartime game that have you now but anyway

Yeah

Insole

I still kept my doctor's I was really enjoying it too

The Voice

The Arts

AVR

Mike

The thing in Utah

But it's funny like how

Even like a dream launch scenario the money can run out that fast

Enticed

I still don't quit my job

But then it wasn't until

Cancel

What's that again

That was here's another reason Thomas why I hear my favourite game

Can you

You introduced me to Matthew Tye

From do games

One of the best people I've met

Is your life so much easier is a genius any so polite and

Yes and yes

He helps me and

He took on the first three and I told him

Because I do things with the wrong way it's a Unity Project

You've ever seen in your life in the same thing

Can I turn as I can on my

Crap at sea sharks of the playmaker stuff is ok I think we can work around

Yeah

And he help he made it happen and I Self published on consoles that was

That was the hardest that's amazing

In that sort of thing I've done

A push me to the

Breaking point as I still working full-time I am too baby

Able to do it and we will ask the council and then I was

Ok

Now I can quit my job so

I think I want to tell you the other is going back to York

It's it's

Each rung on the ladder

Is small

Make it step-by-step it's not going to see Michael

But then eventually

You'll get to the top

Other slider which is like financial freedom ability to quit your job

But I

Me personally like the Game Dev unlocked where I tell people is don't quit your job

Play keep that so risky after it is hard for new games

It's harder than it was for me in 2017 a lot of Change

End

That's why I say like ok if you can

Do you make a game wisely

Time efficiently

And you take wise shortcut

And then you can still work your full-time job even do part-time

Do 20 hours a week

Then you can make still work on your game and not get burnt out

And not neglect your

Brian

So that's why I think

Personally I would not

A job

Even if you know

Even if you may buy a few thousand from your game you like it might go up

After launch it's probably going to go up like you just need to make more games

What are my favourite quotes

Is tram a book

Pixar creativity Inc

Have you read that

No but I have watched like YouTube summaries of it and it's what helped it's wet help

Pinstripe story

Come to fruition

Yeah I believe so I could be wrong but I watch them too really

Really helpful Disney

Summaries of how they do store

That's cool I love that is a great book I think it's like

And there's a party

Where there's the brain team at Pixar Animation Studios

And they talked about the one of the most important things you can do

The creative

Is to fail early in Felpham

That's why

I love pinstripe

I start to get light

Anxiety and anxiety attack that you like you worked on it for 5-years it seriously

I couldn't have done that and I would have given up and you kept with it which is why

Achievement is monumental

It was not you're not feeling fast or telling earlier

It was a scary

That you did that

What you say about that

I think I think you're right and I think

I I would

I used to do videos about

Go for it so developers you could achieve your dreams

Got your job you got this

And that was like a Miele after I

In I did a Kickstarter campaign with pins

Israel

The money came in and I signed with a publisher so really helped out

And I felt good I felt like I had done

You know

Looking back in hindsight Emma

I wouldn't wish

5 years of solar development on anybody

That is

It's really hard and you know I'd have

My dad was really supportive but in in in

There is a lot of people around me who like you got this

After 4 years of working on

Remember my dad was

What are you doing are you getting on the phone I remember I was in my car

Renault

And I was like 20

3 years

I don't remember

And I was just on my phone and he said you get it finished

You're making me nervous

And my brother said the same thing a 3 or two brothers

One of my brothers was like

Are you going to finish the game

And I realised that point there

This is enough

Play Kids tattoos time rap

And so

Scramble to get it done

And that is

I think

The point of

Again separating

Successful game developer

Witches

Garages start finish

And you've got to get it

Really not a lot of value

In making a really great game over the course of

5 to 10 years

Real life like you

That's a huge Gamble

Not everyone's going to be what was it our boy is stardew Valley one of those games took forever and I got really

The great game

Yeah I mean it's great game

Lucky I mean lucky in the sense that

Wine from a large prospective

Just getting the visibility at the right time

But they're all so lucky that they're Vision

Was good

They had good in Spain

Most game developers

They don't handle lock of good

And good vision

Enter you really get a form that

Over a long period of time of releasing can't

Inbreeding like you set reading comment

Thousands of comments that turn your stomach upside down

I hate

Try not to anymore

A Reddit post going viral

You just had a look a little bit

Dude you said the word read it just now in literally my stomach like I have pain in my stomach

I need to go it's ready ok so what I've learnt in we can talk about this from a marketing perspective

You're a marketing g

Ready is

Read it is deeply

To catch fire

But it's also

Terrifying beak

Chicken Leg

He can catch fire and then start

Collapsing into dust you read it poster in the ass

With my

Just comments of people that can be rude or mean

You know put Ill Will on you or make you feel

Fraud

Stuart winner Twitter is a mess

I got I got that threats for making a fox game and I just don't think that's right

Where

When you have every

Every way

Uno board internet troll

And you're on the front page an easy target and some people just lie

I'm gonna kill you for making too stupid in the result

I don't know what else to do like it opens when everyone started in you

I laugh because

That's like the only thing I can do

Because when I've been out with your help by the way with your advice I've been front page 3

Three times and I think two of them was with your advisor

Make sure you get lots this way and make sure you go

Call Tyrone

And

You know it's rosales like we had a really good switch lunch with pinstripe

What the comment comment I get on

Read it and where is it

Why do we need all these stupid hipster

Why do we need all these trendy rt40 games

What are they all look the same you know

I get it like it's a good car

I mean it makes sense if you're not into those kinds of games

People can be hurt

You know and people give you a hurtful I YouTube as well

And you know whats crazy is after 3

Domain name for 10 years but it has it's been like 4 years of actually being exposed

2

A community critique

RAM

Even after 4 years I still

Like last night somebody said something on Twitter something it really bad

Can a herb

And I like reached out to them like a what's going on like can we talk about this

Things still bother

And so my skin is not thick enough yeah

And I need a key

Putting out contents

Hopefully one day

Lobotomy

In a lot of indie developers out there are scared

Wine single comment that crashes their ego you know

I would say that

And I'm still like I'm just a super

I'm just really sensitive

Emotional

Mi 10 I have

I've got

Better because

I'd rather feel uncomfortable

Or get a

Four common if that means that people who do love my game find

And that's what you got a reminder yourself

I could focus on the negative reviews

On Steam

And they probably have a lot they have a lot of good points like my games not

But then I think about all the people

I get the most amazing messages from people all over the world and then

You like you save me from

Like a really dangerous depression

I thought I was going to kill myself at your game who won't bring me

You have to bring me out of that thank you always have my

I will take

500 million hateful messages

If It Means a handful people like you like saved me you

Yeah I don't know I don't know email last week

Is mother with a little girl with severe autism

She has really hard time connecting with people she doesn't talk

If you just said that she just plays my game all day and now like she's happier

And she's tired anymore and that she's reaching out of people giving hugs more

It just blew my mind and that's amazing me and it's the

Feline in the world and I know like you know people

It's a free country they can hate my game they can hate how I make my games I can

That is art

I'm making the game I wanted

Make 100

Enough

And it's just and it's amazing I feel I'm very blessed

I'm very 40

That people like that

I got I got lucky

I put a lot of work in but I got lucky as well

Emily

You would say you're fortunate and lucky too

Yeah I know I am I'm

Really like I mainly lucky because

You know a lot of people think of themselves

This might be a little bit too philosophical for

Some people on the ideas maybe it's not I don't know

You know

I like to think that my

My fortitude

That means through game development night push through and I worked out

It is true if it's one of the domino

Madeira

All about the domino

I'm really blessed in life

There I was born into a family where my dad told me that I can do this

Like he was there my dad was really encouraging remember when I released coma

My first game which was a flash

In 2000

Tenant 2009 release date

You made like $10,000

Where did that come from in we went out to like we went out to lunch and he was

You should try this

As a job

And

I don't know if I would have done there if he hadn't told me

To give it a shower you know and believe

And I hope that people like you and me

Be that sort of figure 2 people who don't have that you know

And then we can say

You can actually do this

You can make games

You know mentor people

An adventure a few people

And my goal is to just say

You can do this

You don't like you say you don't have to quit your job you don't have to go nuts

You don't have to be this crazy entrepreneur

You like me crazy Talent

Are you going to do with have some

Some disciplines and follow through

Patient yeah make a small game make another one make another one in like you said you're climbing the ladder

And hopefully

Hopefully you know you you get that letter and then you had another one or and I know how long the latter is the

Is the latter depends

What do you want to achieve

I just got my first

How do you think about the new ladder

You

You're very good I have a high quality

2 channel

Established family

I just got partner

What does a really big building make the boys want to do

Enough for you man crazy but I got $10 and add 11

The Taco Bell got a fat Albert

I have YouTube ad revenue paid for my Taco Bell that was a good feeling is like

I want to make you keep going

Little wins now there's little I wish I was little wings

I will drops of income

That slowly

Create a pond

You know what maybe an hour

Exactly it is drop by drop

End

You know you want successful the first game of 1

Like Mega

Indie developer

The first game was

Yeah was all that

You know

What NI number

What about Jonathan Blow

Before that are really yeah

How do you fry bread

His major released

Heart and arteries

But he has tons of games

Before that

Right ok

Yeah I had released

And it's something you know

The people listening to me this need to realise

Alright most game developers are going to spend

No several years maybe 3 years

Enough making weird games releasing them

Getting bad reviews

I am I know I mean

I mean common was my first game in

In quotes there bye

Before that I had other games that I had released on newgrounds.com

That was

Yeah no

I released horrible I'm going to do a video about on my channel soon I want to show on my first mods

That I believe yeah

It was a community from

2000

Like 2001 like 20 years old and everything still there including the user comment

Yeah always like

The meanest things I like this isn't this isn't even a level it should be removed

I worked my butt off

Ok and you just keep making stuff

You know you need your love for you if you want to do the things you love but if you love making games

Just keep doing

Remember

I remember it when I was

And my day job I had a poo

Quotes and sticking all over my pubic

Quotes about failure and why failure is good

Because I felt like a failure all the time

When

Until you release your first game you second game you really know who you are

Terms of a game developer

You know what you're capable

I keep forgetting that like I have a

A view of myself right now

In my head

In it based on years of experience

Discover

My talent as a game developer

I'm from feedback

Right

But when you don't have that feedback you don't know who you are as a game developer if you're even capable of making something

And so it's the it's those failures that are going to inform you of what you're good at what you're not good at

And where to get some help where to download some assets and we're now you know

Absolutely it's real-time data

I don't know I have worked for companies with a pay like

6 figures 2

Use for day like that

Develop you can get data just by releasing a simple game

Looking and engagement looking at your anal

I hate someone the first launched on Steam

I had an inkling that would do what I didn't know I was still except my stomach

But I know because I had I posted gifts

Regularly for like over a year

And I kept posting I was like okay

Direction went viral

That Twitter gif wonder I got on the front

I think that's a good sign it was day

Really is sad

And that's why I can neither finish this because now I have

This information at

People might want to buy

And that's like an account

Maybe that's right the entrepreneur I like a business minded

Because

Ukri

You want a g

Mark dean isn't like this evil thing

It's not this dirty word

It's just finding people that will love your prom

And you just need to tell them hey my product exist

Thank you for telling me I love it I'm so glad you told

To me that's that smart

You need to find that idea

What are what are some things that you did

What is the marketing things that you did did you do a lot of prep like did

Did you spend a year just putting out GIF

How long did you

How long is the marking

What did you do

It's a big question

I'm really simply

I started with the visuals first

Development style word

And because I'm more than hard

Anyway I was making the visuals first so I had stuff the show

And then I find termite gameplay mechanics in love design later

So I had stuff

As soon as possible I set up a steam store page as soon as

Ansible in a website

That's that's how you final that's right hard to tell you final

People who

You have a place for them the girl and they give you

Give them your email or a wishlist

Do you need those place

A man

I'm marketed concurrently during the

Where can I buy game for about 7 hours a week

And then I make

4 to 3 hours

And I using Alston

Yeah I usually posted and Friday places

I tried them all really

Tumblr Twitter images of 9GAG

Except a few viralgift on 9gag

I remember you gave me the list

No not not for Chamberlain

What's the main site where you can

Call and I learn like you know what help because I had Analytics I can look at my email

On my wishlist

Ok ok imager get me a lot of Wishaw

Maybe I'll keep focusing on

You just

Maybe the best way to put it in

In the supplies

Can you create a job alert

Include YouTube

Include

Game developer

I think the ability to

Honestly self-evaluate

The pivot

Is one of the Great

Indicator

Mandy

It seems so simple by

Nosey people don't they don't look at themselves from objectives

Point of view

You're a

Guitars

And I guess maybe it comes

I don't know

Baby becomes a lot easier for me

Add I don't know

I just know that

Cut Pro at their uni

To do everything in your power to stand out

Because the Floodgates are open

Game development spend democratise

It's cool I like that I love that but it means it's hard you have to

You have to show off your

You know if your fellow is like it get attention and yet they look at my game

It's a timer for like in advised to me

With never song with Martin you said

Don't beg your audience to wish

The game Thomas

But kinda do you know

You got a really put yourself out there in it can feel embarrassing

Buy sell it you've got to sell it because otherwise you won't

Hats that you're a solo entrepreneur solo games

Actually 34

And I'll probably keep doing that I love partnering with studio

As long as I can be the art director Isle of Man

It's

Is she

It was so much fun

I'm actually look

When to add something I'll probably asking you in

For the first time I want to I want to

Yeah it's a I actually talk to a pretty big studio people know the name

And I can't see who it is

They said that they are considering making that part of their business

Just partnering up with the door

And so

Behaving as

It's like it's like instead of going in hiring developers you just say it will split the revenue make a game twice as far

You know

Essex

Yeah yeah

It's

You were a lot of hair

As a game developer in one of those hats your sales

And I hate salesperson

I love making games I want people to play them so I'll wear that hat

Romantically but I'll wear

So people play my game

And also I can feed my chill

That's exactly

What have learnt do you know this is going to be so bad but I don't care

The older I get the more fun it is to make money

Like when I was younger I didn't really think about

I didn't really cross my my

The older I get it like yeah let's let's do some marketing today and see if we could sell some games

It's just a little bit funny

I don't know why I think it's Friday just having a family

Whatever

It's not it shouldn't be a bad thing to want to make some money because it means you can make you can make games because

Make money you know my home is where one starts money

I put it towards the first tree and able to pay for

I don't think I would have been comfortable pain in I spent around 10000 on the first tree and together and comfortable

Using my personal money for that

Money money by Abba

Experiences

Is your freedom and advise you

You know the building to be a star

Snowbird Brown

Right you know it's funny when you say it was $10,000 to make first

Technically wasn't though because you spent 5 hours away

And what's your billable rate

You know that's true

I've had this discussion before

Iconic

Hear me out on this

If you love

I could be wrong and give all my comments can say if I'm being

I do like I do freelance and stuff

But like

Do you expect to get paid when you

Loving like you play Mario Maker 2 on switch and just making a levels and you just loving it

Ok that will be $30 an hour for my time making money

I don't know like I love making the games as much

Re but it for me I've had the question come to me which is like

Especially when your full-time Game Dev

Because then your time is really bad

Because it's

It's during our that you could be spending making money somewhere else

8 5

What's your favourite so for me I've started to build like

Think of a billboard

The reason why is because when you partner with the development Studios going to ask you what your budget

If you say your budget is 10 grand the going to be like what

Do you have to be

Do you have to be like ok well actually I make $50,000 a year will have a minute

That's that's and if I spend a year and a half it's actually going to be

You know what I asked him out there so many Friday 2011

It's time for the budget that's because I

Making money or I'm I am

I would be making money somewhere else if I was

You're working on a project that will generate

Correct

In Ireland that from will do baby I think his name Tubidy by his in k

And he made it he's the city of thunder Lotus games

And he made

He made I think you when I talk about him at 1

You made this game called

The Viking game

Put that

It looks correct

Ray and he here was advising me one sister

2 or 3 years ago and he said

Ok so what's your billable rate

Do the I'm not charging myself and he's like you are you are

I mean

You're paying your mortgage

You you're paying you living a life

And at the same time you're working to pay for that so what is your billable rate

So I had to figure out what's my time

And that really helped me realise

When I was spending time

You know being a perfectionist about something I was like

If I had a client

2 hours making a game

Will I be doing this

Will I be

Right so it's helped me like be more

I think the word is of

With my who I am and then

Who am I game Broadway what my project Isabel

Because if time is money you going to be a lot more careful

With

Your decision making you know

Yeah

That you know

Is remind me of something

But I love you no celebrate in our similarity

Me and Thomas brush

Think that's cool we have some

Yeah we have so much you know that similar

But I think the biggest difference between us

You're very experienced

And you're very like Pablo

And I've can I tell you exactly the opposite I said people you do not need

I love to hear your thoughts on

Like

You you're like a big you're a big cheerleader for Papa

How much is there a little man you can you can self publish on consoles by yourself you don't need them it depends right

So I would love to hear your opinion to the other side of it so for me

Publishers provide two things and these are not traditional

Usually a publisher provides you with marketing distribution Baba

That's not really

What a publisher in my opinion should be offering you

Hazard

Because

You don't really need

Not really you don't really need someone to help you

Distributes

That's that's basically a glittering generalities that means nothing

Now because steam is handling the

Switches handling the distribution box you would need help

Bye

You're not selling box you're selling Digital Copy

So

What a publisher for me what a publisher where publisher provides value

Give you money

So that you can quit your job so you want to be miserable

That's the first

SO50 1200g

And bang in your account

And you get

Is it going to take 30%

Are you revenue or 50% or whatever

B

At least you can quit your job and make you gain twice as fast

Full time

So basically I'm working

Publishing

And then we're going to do is there going to be cute

Tonight we are gonna take 40% they're also going to recoup it up

What say when I launch pinstripe I had a raccoon

A certain amount of money

It was so painful because I was like 4 months of not making any of that

But I realised I like well at least

At least I was a record my job and finish this thing

I finished

You know

The first step of the first reason why I love publishers is just Mum

So basically they just in bed

Really there not really publishing just invite

So the big number one thing as well

The Freedom

The focus

Yep

Yep and you get rid of that misery in Soul

Now the question is what time and where do you want to work in publishers again when you said you were in a really good position

Well I'm only going to work with a publisher if they can provide the power

So in this instance and Natalie partnering with publishers anymore and partnering with the Bell

That work at a publisher

Tell

That's why I love Serenity 474

Tablet

Enable developer

If you're willing to negotiate a reasonable revenue share

I've come to discover that sometime

Almost here

Of the revenue is reasonable

Because they double beat

Cut your development time down

You don't have to worry

About

All these different variables about making a game because their hand

Huge

Boulder

Develop

That you otherwise couldn't do you know

Smiley series

I make sense

Yellow

Yeah it's just interesting if so many ways to go around it

Because I

I like

I don't know I like staying independent

Can I tell you something big publisher

Approached me for the first tree

1

Was so big

I'm not saying say it but they do triple A game

And I was so freaked out by it cos I was like of this could be life-changing

But then I started thinking about it

And how I lied

The happiest aspect of

And how like I don't have to answer that anybody

I think what score about your deals going to be 4 days you're you're the creator of the

Are you you have for create

Control is that right I've never yeah so I either

Ok I find three publisher agreements

What have I got completely screwed

And I learnt my lesson right in my

And I had an attorney for also

And so

The first attorney was like put the first publishing agreement was like Thomas

Be careful of all of these things in ignored him I just signed anyway

There was a terrible Green

The other two

That I say

The other two that I say

My attorney was like

You go

Tell them that you're in complete control of every

And I said ok

So I told her I told the publisher I told armour games and surrender before

And this is fine I wouldn't mind me telling you

AA Taunton

I was incomplete

We trust you

I don't know why

No it's amazing in so it's not

It wasn't even it was it just control of the art

Or the game it was control of the schedule

So like I don't even have a schedule in the contract that a publisher will be like

This is fair that was a publisher I would demand

I would say

Look I'm going to give you 100 grand

Need to get the game down in a

Like I can I can just sit here and

Get my money back

Forget that remote service

The publishers I've worked

Serenity 40 armour games

I connected really well

The CEO

Like

We were like friends I like

The Army Game c all the time

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Royal cannabis a major

So we sort of Honor similar

Age grouping in

We just

Ellis m e i mean we can

We just jive and so there wasn't a need

For him to go well I want you to have the game down in

Yeah here

I want this what the budget is in

And I want I want to have

You know I say in the creative Direction he didn't say any of that he just said make a great game

And here's a developer to help you

And to me

You know

That is

A really

Great deal and I

When I signed the deal

With Serenity Forge

Is it a bad idea

Because I gave up a good chunk of bread

Over the years I learnt this was the

Sting that could have

Because

We made a really good day

With the help of Eric who was the developer

The code

Eric programmed an amazing game and I was able to

Is all my attention and will I do well

And now we suck you know we we partnered with Apple

We

Front page on steam for 5 days where about the branch on switch

If you have a platform

Indeed success

Yeah and so I want to know your perspective on

Like do you feel like

If you have certificate if a publisher would have said I want you have poor credit control would you

Instead of signing with them

Home

And I'm thinking about how it works out for you

And how it's been great

Something I do want to say

Is there anybody listening

If it's your very first game

And you just getting out

You know you

Finally entering this whole new world again the Dolman

Can you get a bunch of publishers that you've never heard of saying hey

Mummy help me with marketing and top of back

99.9%

That is

A deal you want to me

And I would say

You have an awesome partnership with her

Forge

And it does that sounds awesome

I might be tainted by when I was working at home as well

Cameras publishers

Saying

Oh you need us like you're not going to succeed without us and then

Are they do a syphon

All they do is

Looks like their name on on the steam page and syphon 40%

Your fans for no reason

What you doing is you mate Games first

And you made a name for yourself

You had unity file make a film about you

And then and you finished games

That's the way to get a publisher I would agree with

What I would say is

When you're first starting

Making your very first smile games

Adult figures anyway

To get up

Yeah

It's a really really good point and really good person

You know I always say

Me my wife talk about this I talk about work Alliance she's she probably get to know my wife

Bye

When we talk

I always say

I'm just so lucky to have a really

Dedicated YouTube ideas

Because if I ever get screwed over by a publisher they're not going to be happy

My my my back

Teacher who got my back

In so I always say if you're

If you can

You know

If you're going to partner up with a company

That you don't know

Lisa you've got some Amy

Because they do I promise you they do

Wake up money they get a team of people

Lawyers

Play Dale lawyers again everybody

This is not true for serenity for drama games at all

But I can speak to

Having experience with another problem

Where

Behind closed doors like I'm in South Carolina in California summer

Where were there there is somewhere in the in the midwest

And I knew I knew that they were talking about

What day are we going to do to screw me over

I didn't see it that way they just sold his business as usual

What they were doing just over an 18-year old well

I don't know any of that

I wasn't talking to them

So they had all this a munition

It's so it's really important for energy developers

You have power behind them

It doesn't necessarily have to be cash

Definitely can be a lawyer that you paid $4,000 to help me out

But he can also be in the form of a social media follower

Which is so huge and you're doing that right now you're killing me

A really good job and I just

I want all of my

All of the people watching

Listening as podcast

No

You can

Put a price tag

An army that support

You know

No I

I'm seeing the

Does you know you know this about me I suck a programming so the idea of

That's the hard part 2 you like who can

Who can you really trust

Having someone

And a team

Support.com

And got your back

It's ready for help with the Apple sign

By the way

I can't talk about that

But they don't help I help them a lot of ways I'm sure they helped you know here's without

Conversations that I don't want to have

I don't have to

I yeah and I'm learning that

It's almost like what you would think I was a writer

I always wanted to be

Like basically what a writer in my head was

Walking around a pyjamas smoking a pipe

Can you just go on

You say that your typewriter new you write you write for a couple of hours

Any goals science in Anaheim

M&M you know you get up out of bed at 3 am have an idea write it down

Other than a pie

Which that would be awesome

That's my life now

Is I get to walk around in my pyjamas

Come up with an idea

I want to talk to anybody

I did YouTube and stuff

I mean come on I think you got it too right I think I'm working well for you

I'm such an introvert

And yeah but I'll see you get a little lonely this weird

The Paradox

Game

You just

I don't know

Does it

What's the paradox of being introverted

Businessperson

That's what it is

Know Your Rights

It's what I hadn't I never thought it could happen

I really did yeah that's what I tell my job

You know there's no way this is real that my steam launch did whilst I'm just going to keep my job

Cos you know

Why how to the TV

But it does happen

And I do

Sometime I get bummed that there's so much negativity

People trying to protect other people because it is IT Crowd

Is there's a lot of indie games out of the really

At the same time

I have this impression

It's easier to make a successful in the game that it is to be a successful rock band

Read a book on Amazon

Or make a successful indie film that actually made

Turn off my light

Are the Arts

They are in

I think it's easier

Indie game

Because there's a lot to learn yet

Not only are you doing alright

You have to do

Code

Sound

And I love that I love all the

Hearts

And it is hard and I know

There's a lot of negativity about

Indie games you are right you're stupid for presume

What is there are

There are 6s cases

And it happens to even really small the

Just got to put in the time and putting the passion

Discipline

I totally agree with you I don't know if you learnt anything about having kids but like

I've learnt my wife talking

We would have a prom where like live or daughter wasn't sleeping

The first 6-months which is like a normal right thing in the universe

And you and I'll be experienced in October

But my wife was like well

You don't have to be this way

Let's just

When a mistake a call

This is a great segway into you

You have this course Game Dev unlocked

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And it's it's a little bit of money

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Potentially a career changing

Pat

For my eye it seems to with having kids are any life decision

Stop trying

To figure things out completely alone

Stop pretending that you have all the answers

And go take a course

Learn from other people or

In my case my favourite thing to do is just get to know people in the indus

Cos they're going to tell you this

We're going to tell you he there is money or here hey you should go talk to this guy

Because he can he can connect you with these people and then there was people connect you with those

Like I will never met PewDiePie had I not first reached out to Tom Pope

Restart to Tom for the creative Newbury

And I said can you be my mentor for a couple weeks

Tell me about gay

This is H 22

And I had I was working at this job

Talking to him on the phone and a hot summer day in my car

Car off sweating bullets knocking it on for

Imagine

The feeling after

Yeah I was just I mean this guy is really successfully created newgrounds.com and then he messaged me

Is later 3 years later and said hey I don't know if you care but feeling

Dubai wants to do voice acting would you be willing to a letter do voice acting game

And now you know

PewDiePie and I have a very mild

Make small

Email relation

You know I reached out to

And you're right in my life changed because I reached out to you

This is why I tried to answer on my email

Even the man has a million team

Put on

I was a new scared in the game developer jobs

And I was like what what did I say again

20

And I ask you about the South by southwest

Game

Hey man I'm a big fan

Time is your awesome

You keep saying you are a fan but I'm not

I remember being a fan of Dave

Excel reverse

Yeah I emailed you asking question about South by southwest cos they invited me

Should I do this that's a lot of money I don't have any money

Will it be cold a shower and I ask you did you should try to stop a software

Did you like it

Your son

You were just a nice your encouraging you gave helpful information

And then yes I appreciate that thank you

Then later you were you know you would ask me questions and I love helping you

But then you introduced me the Thai we talked about

Blocked nose cancer

And so

Exaggerating this like you

This connection with you like you know it's not

Keep the term networking out like that

I want to talk to me there because I want to get to know them because they're really counted and

Why is money

No go ahead and you just showed me Matt tie

With that is education and change my

I owe a Lot to You Thomas and I appreciate it and you write like that

It's those connection

People that can change

Right it totally is and again it I think that working is a bad word

Because I was on discord last night on my phone

Me and my wife like in bed

Watching TV

If you want to meet you said I thought you said you were going to be working on your phone

You know after 5 cos I have this problem where I keep working

When I'm on my calendar

I wish you would do that

She said who are you talking to I think it's messaging you

And I scroll through Ash I look like when I'm not working and I scroll through my phone and showed all of my discord friends

And

They are my work

We are also working together all of my friends

But we're also friends

So it's all very friendly relationship

With people who could make you a lot of money

As a team develop

At the same time

Right so it's

It's really about just being friends

With people in the end

Now obviously you know you want to be friends with people

I don't have any connections but you want to try and form friendships for people who do have connection

Because they

We're going to make your life a lot easier

And when I say Coke make you a lot of money

I'm just I'm being hyperbolic

Hyperbole

But like

It could very well mean that you hit a pocket

Of income that you need

Desk

Because you knew the right

Are you two that parking

You know

You tell you I just love talking to people have a passion for

Doesn't matter where they are on their journey

You know and I'm

And you you talk to me even though you're like who's this guy

I help them

And that's like I try

I answer every email

Can maybe a few out to the crack

Signing is exciting

Your time

Take your time is finite

I was curious I want to ask you a question so I've had people on YouTube go it Thomas was

Guess what game developer he wouldn't be teaching

I am like I don't want to show you my bank account but I can see I could prove to you that

I'm doing quite well with revenue from games

I also enjoy teaching

You know it's a straw man because I don't need to do this like be nice to deversifi

Little bit of side income

I'm doing this because I love teacher

And I love playing with people what I'm wearing because I want to

Answer emails every morning 4 hours

I'm looking for that

Let me know let me know next year if you're still doing that

What time

I wish I had

Clones of me to do all my work

I know

I know

You got to do it

Yeah I keep your sanity but I try my best at least

Answer a sincere

Yeah well listen man I think it's wrap up here

Make a call

Yeah I listen great hours

Angry out

Do you want to do you want to sort out

Make a big pitch

Game Dev unlocked because

I've used this one and I'll say this first

Again

Dry cleaners in the disco

David

Was

Nice enough to give me

Portions of his course

Or the logic

And I literally

Took that course

Follow the steps

And obviously this luck involved

Ender's Game has to be good

But I took two step

Especially when it comes to market

Never song

And I put them in the practise and low and behold I got exactly what David told me I was going to get

Which is 5 5-days front page down

Which is the who was the whole goal of this

So I just recommend my audio

And by the way this isn't sponsored this is actually

A negative sponsorship because I want to make my own course

I want to make my own course one day

I was going to ask

If you had an online course

And I was like you know the videos and

I would

I buy that in a

I really I think I like you

Probably a lot of people dressed for it but for now

I think it's important that my audience

Consider the idea that

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I think I may have a coupon code and I can give it again description

You know it's just me I'm just figuring stuff out I'm a change the price but it is

I'll probably around 300 to $400

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It's really really good

I'm talking to my phone

It's one of those things where

Is it worth

The risk

Spending

Carbohydrate bar

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Burn the things that most game developer

Don't learn in here's the thing who's the second

Had his Youtube channels in a lot of mirror maze

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YouTube

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I've never released a game

So for you

You've

Specifically release the game not only released a game

Made

Income

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Physically put all the secret essentially a mentorship program

Into the

Course is that correct

Yeah even start

I put so much time and money into it

And

I like

I don't like some people like why would I

You could just Google

For free in laminate I did

But yeah I put a lot of time in morning to make

What's the best it can

And so it is

It must

Is a private discord server

Elvis our together

And I like sharing each other's games I do feedback Fridays with the

Games

It's fine and

I don't

It isn't about the money

Like that's why I'm doing YouTube as well I'm going to be

Times of free stuff on

This is something like

Take you to the next level I guess

Yeah I

You get

Free steam keys and you have

And yeah we do case studies

Adult out the system

I don't know it

I'm really proud of it and yeah but I don't want people like I want people to feel like I'll the phone

I got it

Got a join the program and pay that money now

There's tons

I love helping everybody and I'm going to be doing stuff on there

For free

You know it's going to be awesome if you mean the world to me

If you don't then if you just subscribe to games of a locked on YouTube

That would be me

I would so appreciate that love making his videos

People people watch

Is it raining

It is a lot of fun YouTube and you know it

How is sex life a good yesterday

I saw

Send me your videos are doing really well

Those videos

It is videos like no one was watching them for 6-months

That's not a discussion on its own as a present

Yeah let's talk about algorithms in different platforms

To my aliens yeah like I want to say

That I was pissed that you were doing so well

How many

How many people died because it took it took awhile for me maybe it didn't maybe my

My memory isn't serving me correctly

I was in and being horrible it or like I'm joking about being coronavirus

David will probably have another

Subscribers

Who is very you continent very precise

I think is a good word

It's it's a

Sometimes I speaking in generalities in abstractions

Because I'm lazy

Your content is like like these are all the things you need to do

Pacific special you're online

Very specific

And that is the kind of can't

Especially from someone who's done well

On Steam

Encanto

That is the kind of can't

YouTube

To help people learn

So I think your Channel in is definitely going to be separated out

From the

Because again you've made

Again you done it

Very rare

You have to

I love you Youtube channel

End

Understand I'm trying stuff out

I am excited to you to just love as one and two

Menu

You are so I do have

I just love the content you make

I was reminded of something was like there's one of the best parts

Have any games

When is like work community and we just support each other so much

Is like my life this is my last story

I want to GDC and I'm speaking so I was like sick to my stomach

But then but then unity unity tweeted from their official account my pay will bring him some

There is some kind of influences

And you are on the way

Yeah and I was so I'm so excited or maybe I can meet you know with mad as well I'm at home

Wait a minute

As I go to the park outside the mosconi

Convention centre

Was there

Emma's guys in my wife asks like

Thomas brush

Alarm

And then is like oh yeah you couldn't make it

Put out last night

I'm really bummed about it

Here's the thing

I checked your YouTube

It was right there

And that's on the PewDiePie video

Yeah I was

I said I was in a hotel and was like oh my gosh

Thomas Brothers getting like $100 subscribers in a day I was so excited for you and it was

Tell me a little kiss 2 hours

Flash really happy for you

I've had the same

I don't know how much you can say

Through discord

But like alarm my friends who do YouTube on like I wonder if there's like

You got soul

It was really hard work but me and ours

Obviously getting a reply from PewDiePie

In two weeks

Yeah

That's amazing

I'm sorry I wasn't there I really wanted to go I did go to San Francisco that I did your duty it's just I didn't

Call Adam I was there

Me and my wife are there

And unity Close out

An amazing hotel

Nice

That's that's like a woman

Rockstar right there but the rest is greasy Philly cheesesteak now

It's an alarm in your office making games

But it's cool I craft France

I like to think of the people who watch my videos

The ones that are nice not

Not the main ones on Letterkenny death

What does I can be kind of part of a family

Yeah that's what I want to do with the school that's what I want do with you too

And I take it again

Thank you and I think you're doing a great job you'll get your channels

Explode n

All my

Subscribers Govan

Subscribed

Davidchannel it is really honestly again this is not sponsored by you you're not going to give me anything in return

Anti myallianz this is really good

That's so

Appreciate it

Yeah no problem

Yeah that's great

Thanks Thomas Driving me here and if there's anything then kill you

Does anything you do to help you

Just let me know good luck

Family

Sounds like LiveScore really

So excited that never song launch

Yeah thanks for your help with that man

You really help

Thanks for chatting