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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:05,503 --> 00:00:06,962 [eerie music playing] 2 00:00:10,608 --> 00:00:12,482 [Casey Hammer] The Hammer men, you just don't know 3 00:00:12,482 --> 00:00:16,059 what's hiding behind their personality or behind their demeanor. 4 00:00:17,171 --> 00:00:19,878 And it's really apparent with Armie. 5 00:00:21,129 --> 00:00:23,629 What's coming out publicly 6 00:00:23,629 --> 00:00:27,484 about the love bombing and the texting and the controlling. 7 00:00:28,942 --> 00:00:31,442 I'm not surprised by any of that. 8 00:00:31,442 --> 00:00:35,400 And it weirds and scares a lot of people, 9 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:37,797 but for me it's really familiar. 10 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:43,110 If you believe about making deals with the devil, 11 00:00:43,110 --> 00:00:46,755 the Hammers are top of the totem pole. 12 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:57,207 After the documentary was announced before we started filming, 13 00:00:57,207 --> 00:00:59,048 -I received a text. -[cellphone pinging] 14 00:00:59,673 --> 00:01:01,270 And it was a friend. 15 00:01:01,895 --> 00:01:03,007 She said... 16 00:01:03,736 --> 00:01:05,854 [reading] 17 00:01:30,334 --> 00:01:31,863 [music swelling] 18 00:01:38,008 --> 00:01:39,293 [opening theme music playing] 19 00:02:23,463 --> 00:02:26,345 [Courtney Vucekovich] I have this reoccurring dream. 20 00:02:28,948 --> 00:02:31,449 It starts with this motel sign. 21 00:02:35,408 --> 00:02:39,470 But in my dream, the motel just keeps going. 22 00:02:42,804 --> 00:02:44,888 Something worse is happening in each room. 23 00:02:46,138 --> 00:02:47,284 [echoing footsteps] 24 00:02:49,783 --> 00:02:51,693 And I can't get the fuck out. 25 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:55,826 [door closes] 26 00:02:57,388 --> 00:02:58,569 There's no way out. 27 00:02:59,923 --> 00:03:01,590 You have to go through the whole thing again. 28 00:03:07,492 --> 00:03:13,223 The scenario with the ropes in Sedona was six days before I met his mom. 29 00:03:15,028 --> 00:03:16,764 After that, it was horrible. 30 00:03:20,202 --> 00:03:22,702 I completely disassociated. 31 00:03:22,702 --> 00:03:24,890 It was like I wanted to get as far away from him, 32 00:03:24,890 --> 00:03:26,904 as far away from what had happened. 33 00:03:32,737 --> 00:03:34,266 I always keep a journal. 34 00:03:36,037 --> 00:03:40,308 This piece is something I wrote on my way 35 00:03:40,308 --> 00:03:43,015 to my first treatment center on October 5th. 36 00:03:44,092 --> 00:03:45,308 This is on the plane. 37 00:03:46,801 --> 00:03:47,738 [clears throat] 38 00:03:50,030 --> 00:03:51,349 [reading] 39 00:04:08,781 --> 00:04:12,323 [exhales] "I surrendered to him 100 percent, 40 00:04:12,393 --> 00:04:14,511 gave him anything good I had left. 41 00:04:14,580 --> 00:04:16,560 What in the fuck is wrong with you? 42 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:21,143 He used me in every way humanly possible for months and I fucking let him. 43 00:04:21,143 --> 00:04:24,824 I feel absolutely numb and small and disgusting and ugly." 44 00:04:31,456 --> 00:04:33,540 While I was in rehab... 45 00:04:34,060 --> 00:04:34,929 [cellphone pings] 46 00:04:36,353 --> 00:04:39,164 Some idiot texted me, 47 00:04:40,415 --> 00:04:41,665 "Armie has a new girlfriend." 48 00:04:44,999 --> 00:04:48,124 And I looked her up. 49 00:04:56,041 --> 00:04:57,708 The first thing I saw, she was really young. 50 00:05:00,833 --> 00:05:02,396 She's gorgeous. 51 00:05:03,576 --> 00:05:06,493 But she posted a picture, it was like, kind of a lingerie picture. 52 00:05:08,125 --> 00:05:09,931 She had bruises all over her arms, 53 00:05:10,938 --> 00:05:13,368 her chest, her legs. 54 00:05:17,535 --> 00:05:21,077 I could see the bruises and I knew exactly what that picture was. 55 00:05:21,147 --> 00:05:22,917 You know, he says, "Wear it like a badge of honor." 56 00:05:23,751 --> 00:05:25,973 My heart fucking sank 57 00:05:25,973 --> 00:05:28,265 because I was like, "He's gonna do this 58 00:05:28,335 --> 00:05:30,002 to somebody who's 22 years old. 59 00:05:30,002 --> 00:05:31,981 What he just did to me." I was 30. 60 00:05:32,502 --> 00:05:33,543 She's 22. 61 00:05:34,585 --> 00:05:35,870 I know how it is in the beginning. 62 00:05:35,939 --> 00:05:39,724 And I just like, I knew what she felt at the time. 63 00:05:39,794 --> 00:05:41,148 She looked so happy, like... 64 00:05:41,877 --> 00:05:43,232 I was there. 65 00:05:43,232 --> 00:05:44,620 He was on to the next one who's... 66 00:05:46,495 --> 00:05:48,128 Younger? Maybe more naive? 67 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:51,670 Maybe more impressed with his fame? 68 00:05:51,670 --> 00:05:55,210 It was... He was off to do it to her. 69 00:05:56,808 --> 00:05:59,899 I had just got out of a two year really long relationship 70 00:05:59,899 --> 00:06:02,330 when I moved to LA. I had never been to LA before. 71 00:06:02,330 --> 00:06:05,523 That was um, my second time ever going. So... 72 00:06:06,705 --> 00:06:09,726 My first impressions of him were extremely charming. 73 00:06:10,525 --> 00:06:12,608 Just captivated the room. 74 00:06:12,608 --> 00:06:14,379 He was just full of life. 75 00:06:15,213 --> 00:06:17,296 Loving, charismatic. 76 00:06:18,476 --> 00:06:20,108 Kind of the person that we see in the interviews 77 00:06:20,108 --> 00:06:22,399 and the person that we see on the screen. 78 00:06:22,399 --> 00:06:23,859 [paparazzi] Armie, turn your head for me. 79 00:06:23,859 --> 00:06:27,922 And he really was so all consuming 80 00:06:27,922 --> 00:06:30,525 and he made me feel like it was a safe space. 81 00:06:30,525 --> 00:06:32,297 Made me feel this was normal. He made me feel like 82 00:06:32,297 --> 00:06:34,796 this was gonna be fun and sexy. 83 00:06:34,796 --> 00:06:39,381 He carried safety pins, Shibari rope, knives... 84 00:06:40,735 --> 00:06:42,818 Uh, like a paddle. 85 00:06:42,818 --> 00:06:47,193 Just a lot of the BDSM tools. 86 00:06:47,193 --> 00:06:49,728 He would always travel with it wherever we went 87 00:06:49,798 --> 00:06:51,916 and whenever he came over to my home in LA. 88 00:06:54,693 --> 00:06:58,687 He said he wanted to find a doctor in Los Angeles to remove both my ribs. 89 00:07:01,985 --> 00:07:04,278 He wanted to eat my ribs. He wanted to smoke them. 90 00:07:05,632 --> 00:07:06,985 He was obsessed with meat. 91 00:07:08,131 --> 00:07:11,674 I brushed it off, but I do believe that he was serious. 92 00:07:13,444 --> 00:07:16,569 He would set up things called high protocol nights. 93 00:07:16,569 --> 00:07:18,480 He'd set up a night with very strict rules 94 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:21,258 and it's all built around like, inflicting pain 95 00:07:21,258 --> 00:07:24,487 on the submissive one in the relationship, which was me. 96 00:07:27,404 --> 00:07:30,876 I didn't know what BDSM was, so I thought that that was normal. 97 00:07:34,002 --> 00:07:37,335 To me, it's obvious that Armie Hammer chose people 98 00:07:37,404 --> 00:07:40,009 who didn't have any experience in BDSM 99 00:07:40,009 --> 00:07:42,822 because it gives him an advantage 100 00:07:42,822 --> 00:07:44,419 to prey upon these people. 101 00:07:46,468 --> 00:07:48,169 Because they're more easily coerced 102 00:07:48,239 --> 00:07:51,156 because they don't know what BDSM really is. 103 00:07:54,385 --> 00:07:57,128 I had no idea what I was getting into. 104 00:07:57,197 --> 00:08:01,086 And looking back, it's like, very dangerous. 105 00:08:02,545 --> 00:08:08,032 The traditional motto of BDSM is safe, sane and consensual. 106 00:08:08,032 --> 00:08:11,608 Most commonly in the dom-sub relationship, 107 00:08:11,608 --> 00:08:15,775 the scenes are all centered around the sub's fantasies. 108 00:08:15,775 --> 00:08:17,823 Safety and trust are right there. 109 00:08:17,823 --> 00:08:21,470 It's the foundation of the BDSM relationship. 110 00:08:21,470 --> 00:08:23,588 -[app clicks] -[Vucekovich] On one of these high protocol nights, 111 00:08:23,658 --> 00:08:28,171 I was tied up, and he basically looked over my body and said to me, 112 00:08:28,171 --> 00:08:30,741 "Where should I put my initials on you?" 113 00:08:30,741 --> 00:08:34,630 And then he just started to carve his initial into me. 114 00:08:34,699 --> 00:08:35,950 And I just didn't say anything. 115 00:08:38,762 --> 00:08:41,263 It was bleeding and he was licking it, 116 00:08:41,263 --> 00:08:43,346 drinking kind of like, blood. 117 00:08:46,158 --> 00:08:47,999 Yeah, that's heavy. 118 00:08:51,298 --> 00:08:54,387 The part that stands out to me is, you know, him coming to her and said, 119 00:08:54,387 --> 00:08:56,923 "Where should I put my initials on you?" 120 00:08:56,993 --> 00:08:59,527 And then, he just proceeded to cut her. 121 00:08:59,596 --> 00:09:03,556 So there was no negotiations before the scene about it. 122 00:09:03,556 --> 00:09:05,639 She is in a very vulnerable position 123 00:09:05,639 --> 00:09:09,320 because she is feeling submissive, 124 00:09:09,389 --> 00:09:11,577 she's in a state of wanting to please him 125 00:09:11,577 --> 00:09:13,348 and she doesn't want to say no in the moment. 126 00:09:14,841 --> 00:09:15,952 [Vucekovich] I was in a weak position 127 00:09:15,952 --> 00:09:17,653 and he was in a position of power. 128 00:09:17,723 --> 00:09:21,612 He knew how uncomfortable it made me, but I just never said no. 129 00:09:21,682 --> 00:09:24,182 And I think that kind of being coerced into things 130 00:09:24,182 --> 00:09:25,743 and we just don't want to say no. 131 00:09:25,743 --> 00:09:26,925 We don't want to be undesirable. 132 00:09:28,245 --> 00:09:29,391 It's traumatizing. 133 00:09:30,432 --> 00:09:32,412 I was vulnerable. 134 00:09:32,412 --> 00:09:34,599 I was groomed by him. 135 00:09:38,696 --> 00:09:43,245 Someone who's getting off on somebody else's fear, 136 00:09:43,245 --> 00:09:47,829 when that person feels uncomfortable about it, 137 00:09:47,829 --> 00:09:51,996 is not a kinkster doing BDSM. 138 00:09:54,392 --> 00:09:56,163 That person is an abuser. 139 00:09:58,455 --> 00:10:01,996 [Vucekovich] And that's very sad to think about. 140 00:10:01,996 --> 00:10:05,052 When you look back and you realize it was just abuse and manipulation. 141 00:10:05,121 --> 00:10:07,204 It wasn't somebody that cared for you 142 00:10:07,204 --> 00:10:11,407 and you just like, fell into their trap so gracefully. 143 00:10:22,657 --> 00:10:25,852 [coworker] When the abuse allegations came out, 144 00:10:27,519 --> 00:10:30,783 it was a mixture of shocked and not shocked. 145 00:10:32,728 --> 00:10:35,575 I had an opportunity to work with Armie Hammer. 146 00:10:42,554 --> 00:10:46,894 What I had experienced was nothing compared to what they had experienced. 147 00:10:48,458 --> 00:10:51,791 But the same kind of qualities were there. 148 00:10:51,791 --> 00:10:55,263 Basically every story I have to tell about him can be rooted in, 149 00:10:55,332 --> 00:10:57,833 "I control you 'cause you're my employee." 150 00:10:59,291 --> 00:11:03,493 Armie puts on this beautiful face to everybody. 151 00:11:03,562 --> 00:11:05,855 I was just trying to make a damn movie. Everybody just needs to calm down. 152 00:11:07,972 --> 00:11:10,160 [coworker] You'd work with him the entire movie 153 00:11:10,230 --> 00:11:14,014 and never see through that facade. 154 00:11:15,890 --> 00:11:17,869 Behind closed doors, it's different. 155 00:11:20,647 --> 00:11:22,939 There was one instance where he told me 156 00:11:22,939 --> 00:11:25,542 that this old friend of his was coming into town 157 00:11:25,542 --> 00:11:28,494 and he wanted me to go to the airport and hold up a sign 158 00:11:28,563 --> 00:11:30,542 in the airport that said, "Faggot." 159 00:11:31,898 --> 00:11:34,294 I have chills actually thinking about it right now. 160 00:11:34,294 --> 00:11:36,273 If I said no to him about something, 161 00:11:36,273 --> 00:11:38,495 he'd try and find ways to shame me. 162 00:11:39,641 --> 00:11:42,037 And this time he took a poll from everybody. 163 00:11:43,808 --> 00:11:47,628 "Should I fire him because he won't do what I told him to do?" 164 00:11:49,711 --> 00:11:51,691 I was a big kind of joke or whatever. 165 00:11:51,691 --> 00:11:54,433 And he kept really pushing and pushing and pushing 166 00:11:54,502 --> 00:11:55,510 because he thought it'd be funny. 167 00:11:58,358 --> 00:12:01,379 We ended up at a strip club once. 168 00:12:01,379 --> 00:12:06,830 10 a.m. on a Tuesday, me and Armie and other actors and other crew members 169 00:12:06,900 --> 00:12:10,858 and lording his position and my position over my head, 170 00:12:10,858 --> 00:12:13,879 forced me into getting a lap dance. 171 00:12:15,545 --> 00:12:17,942 I was very against it. I didn't want to do it. 172 00:12:17,942 --> 00:12:20,754 I felt incredibly uncomfortable with it. 173 00:12:20,754 --> 00:12:23,706 But he basically ended up again saying, "I'm your superior. 174 00:12:23,775 --> 00:12:24,816 You need to do this." 175 00:12:25,685 --> 00:12:27,942 And so, he made me believe 176 00:12:27,942 --> 00:12:30,129 that I had no choice. 177 00:12:31,519 --> 00:12:33,150 I could have walked away, 178 00:12:33,150 --> 00:12:36,797 but you just get scared of the stature of it all. 179 00:12:36,797 --> 00:12:41,207 The job title and the person. 180 00:12:41,277 --> 00:12:43,777 -You do dangerous things? -Yeah, I mean I like to, yeah. 181 00:12:44,819 --> 00:12:45,965 [coworker] It just snowballed. 182 00:12:46,797 --> 00:12:48,430 [car revving] 183 00:12:48,430 --> 00:12:51,382 We would get into his car and then we would do 140 miles-an-hour 184 00:12:51,382 --> 00:12:56,625 like, through residential streets while he was inebriated. 185 00:12:56,694 --> 00:12:59,298 And it would scare me like crazy. 186 00:12:59,298 --> 00:13:02,250 My wife, uh, for the longest time was convinced 187 00:13:02,250 --> 00:13:04,924 that I had what she called a frontal lobe issue 188 00:13:04,924 --> 00:13:10,133 which I guess she says that's where you assess risk and danger and all that, 189 00:13:10,133 --> 00:13:13,778 and she says that mine is just severely underdeveloped. 190 00:13:13,778 --> 00:13:18,813 [coworker] It was just kind of daredevil machismo and exerting power. 191 00:13:22,529 --> 00:13:25,480 I just want to be helpful to the people that need it. 192 00:13:25,550 --> 00:13:29,092 There are a lot of women that have had their lives 193 00:13:29,092 --> 00:13:31,905 irreparably damaged by all of this. 194 00:13:35,134 --> 00:13:37,009 It's like Dante's Inferno. 195 00:13:37,009 --> 00:13:39,301 It's gonna get worse the deeper down you go. 196 00:13:40,134 --> 00:13:41,731 At the bottom it's just Armie. 197 00:13:46,697 --> 00:13:48,919 [coworker] I knew Armie came from wealth. 198 00:13:48,989 --> 00:13:53,295 There are stories about like, his connection to Armand Hammer. 199 00:13:54,614 --> 00:13:57,982 I would say had I chosen to sort of follow the family's path 200 00:13:58,052 --> 00:14:00,587 and gone into business, it would have been much more advantageous. 201 00:14:02,843 --> 00:14:04,511 [coworker] He told me about growing up in the Caymans. 202 00:14:06,073 --> 00:14:10,553 And how his father bought a mansion there 203 00:14:10,553 --> 00:14:12,358 'cause he had seen The Firm. 204 00:14:13,087 --> 00:14:14,407 That's rich people shit. 205 00:14:18,783 --> 00:14:21,594 I feel like with a lot of wealthy families, 206 00:14:21,594 --> 00:14:23,296 there's always a dark story there. 207 00:14:23,366 --> 00:14:27,429 No one can ever be totally normal when you have that much wealth. 208 00:14:30,068 --> 00:14:33,991 And Armie's father is the picture perfect example of that. 209 00:14:39,443 --> 00:14:41,735 [Casey] Michael and Dru basically walked away 210 00:14:41,805 --> 00:14:44,027 with everything after my grandfather died. 211 00:14:46,839 --> 00:14:49,409 They took control of the Hammer Foundation, 212 00:14:49,409 --> 00:14:52,673 his estate and millions of dollars. 213 00:15:00,173 --> 00:15:03,159 [Lauren Skae] There were famous rabbis at his funeral. 214 00:15:03,159 --> 00:15:06,424 And he literally was supposed to have a bar mitzvah the day after he died. 215 00:15:07,882 --> 00:15:11,632 Dru's father in the middle of Armand Hammer's funeral 216 00:15:11,702 --> 00:15:15,174 declared that Armand had changed his religion 217 00:15:15,244 --> 00:15:17,119 and accepted Jesus on his deathbed. 218 00:15:20,904 --> 00:15:24,620 [Casey] Dru's father says that before Armand died, 219 00:15:25,904 --> 00:15:28,196 he said, "I accept Christ." 220 00:15:31,390 --> 00:15:35,384 And all these people's jaws just fell open. 221 00:15:41,843 --> 00:15:45,038 [Skae] Michael Hammer had $40 million in that trust 222 00:15:45,038 --> 00:15:48,510 and he is now taking Armand's funds 223 00:15:48,579 --> 00:15:51,913 and putting them into all of these Evangelical causes. 224 00:15:53,892 --> 00:15:57,677 Christian organizations and Christian universities. 225 00:15:57,747 --> 00:16:01,392 It feels like he rewrote the script for his grandfather 226 00:16:01,392 --> 00:16:04,414 and it just doesn't seem like things are being handled 227 00:16:04,414 --> 00:16:06,636 in the way that Armand would have wanted. 228 00:16:09,657 --> 00:16:14,101 Michael technically worked for Occidental for like another year. 229 00:16:14,101 --> 00:16:15,873 And then he left Oxy. 230 00:16:18,790 --> 00:16:22,123 Michael didn't want to carry on the name from my grandfather at all. 231 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:31,186 You have Michael who is the most Christian man out there to the public. 232 00:16:31,186 --> 00:16:33,200 But at the same time behind the scenes, 233 00:16:33,270 --> 00:16:36,082 it's clear to me that there was some really bad behavior. 234 00:16:39,207 --> 00:16:41,846 Hang onto your hats, guys. The Armie Hammer article dropped 235 00:16:41,916 --> 00:16:43,617 and the tea is piping hot. 236 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:46,534 Michael Hammer, Armie's father, 237 00:16:46,604 --> 00:16:49,104 it seems he may have passed down some of his proclivity to his son. 238 00:16:56,917 --> 00:16:59,555 The sex throne, I heard about a confirmed photo. 239 00:16:59,625 --> 00:17:01,639 So the sex throne's like, seven feet tall. 240 00:17:01,709 --> 00:17:07,577 And there's also the Hammer insignia, their family crest, on the throne. 241 00:17:07,647 --> 00:17:08,897 "For years, three people claimed, 242 00:17:08,897 --> 00:17:10,668 Michael boasted about a sex throne 243 00:17:10,668 --> 00:17:12,437 or naughty chair, as he has called it, 244 00:17:12,437 --> 00:17:14,835 and kept in Armand Hammer Foundation headquarters." 245 00:17:14,835 --> 00:17:16,536 [reading] 246 00:17:20,771 --> 00:17:22,369 There is a hook, like a meat hook. 247 00:17:23,099 --> 00:17:25,876 And I... 248 00:17:25,876 --> 00:17:30,043 Almost don't even want to imagine what somebody would do with this. 249 00:17:30,043 --> 00:17:32,336 [reading] 250 00:17:37,683 --> 00:17:41,815 Michael's lawyer came out and said that this was a gag gift. 251 00:17:41,815 --> 00:17:47,441 It seems like an awfully large gag gift and a very customized gag gift to give someone. 252 00:17:47,441 --> 00:17:52,684 Sex thrones most certainly do not align with a Christian image. [chuckles] 253 00:17:53,274 --> 00:17:54,316 Like father, like son. 254 00:17:55,774 --> 00:17:57,580 It's such a facade. 255 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:02,059 [Vucekovich] I think we're all seeing the pattern. 256 00:18:02,962 --> 00:18:06,817 It's just generation to generation. 257 00:18:07,580 --> 00:18:09,664 [indistinct conversation] 258 00:18:10,774 --> 00:18:13,484 We all know Armie's public persona. 259 00:18:13,484 --> 00:18:17,547 I think his team and his family kind of curates this image 260 00:18:19,004 --> 00:18:20,637 around him? 261 00:18:24,456 --> 00:18:28,068 [Edward Epstein] The Hammers are very keen on presenting themselves 262 00:18:28,068 --> 00:18:30,985 for public consumption in a certain way. 263 00:18:30,985 --> 00:18:34,874 And so, Armie Hammer used the same practices 264 00:18:34,943 --> 00:18:37,686 as his father, Michael, 265 00:18:37,686 --> 00:18:40,256 and his great-grandfather, Armand Hammer. 266 00:18:41,645 --> 00:18:44,527 You don't see what's going on behind the curtain. 267 00:18:47,062 --> 00:18:49,666 Armand Hammer had many secrets. 268 00:18:54,423 --> 00:18:57,028 When Armand Hammer died, 269 00:18:57,028 --> 00:19:01,924 to my surprise, Julian Hammer gave me a great deal of material. 270 00:19:06,404 --> 00:19:08,730 He gave me all his private papers 271 00:19:09,876 --> 00:19:11,925 as well as recordings of his father. 272 00:19:16,299 --> 00:19:21,508 I think that it was because, very simply spoken, 273 00:19:21,508 --> 00:19:25,606 he hated what his father had done to him in cutting him out of his will. 274 00:19:27,342 --> 00:19:31,821 He decided that he was gonna expose his father 275 00:19:31,821 --> 00:19:33,280 as a criminal. 276 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:39,843 Occidental would have been a very small oil company 277 00:19:39,843 --> 00:19:41,926 which we wouldn't even know the name today 278 00:19:43,072 --> 00:19:47,690 except Hammer was a master at bribery. 279 00:19:50,607 --> 00:19:53,524 Armand Hammer would go to a powerful person. 280 00:19:57,657 --> 00:19:59,010 He would offer them money, 281 00:19:59,947 --> 00:20:02,448 illegal cash bribes. 282 00:20:04,011 --> 00:20:05,191 He would deliver the money. 283 00:20:06,511 --> 00:20:07,865 [indistinct conversation] 284 00:20:09,254 --> 00:20:14,012 And Julian would record the entire crime being committed 285 00:20:14,012 --> 00:20:16,546 so he could later blackmail the person. 286 00:20:20,054 --> 00:20:21,512 [Armand] Yeah. 287 00:20:26,026 --> 00:20:27,867 [Epstein] Very little shocks me, I should say, 288 00:20:27,867 --> 00:20:30,297 but the tapes he gave me shocked me. 289 00:20:31,617 --> 00:20:32,763 [man] 290 00:20:37,485 --> 00:20:38,735 That's the President... 291 00:20:40,923 --> 00:20:42,762 ...of Venezuela he's bribing. 292 00:20:47,069 --> 00:20:49,986 Hammer had no shame. 293 00:20:50,889 --> 00:20:52,972 He ignored all laws. 294 00:20:52,972 --> 00:20:56,305 Armand Hammer built his own business empire 295 00:20:56,305 --> 00:20:59,534 on a great number of great crimes. 296 00:21:00,924 --> 00:21:04,431 The extraordinary thing about the Hammer family 297 00:21:04,431 --> 00:21:09,883 is the consistency of vice over virtue. 298 00:21:21,202 --> 00:21:24,120 I shall resign the presidency effective at noon tomorrow. 299 00:21:28,391 --> 00:21:31,516 [Neil Lyndon] In the movie All the President's Men, 300 00:21:31,516 --> 00:21:34,953 which was about the Watergate Scandal, 301 00:21:34,953 --> 00:21:39,989 Deep Throat says, "Follow the money." 302 00:21:39,989 --> 00:21:43,635 [chuckles] If they did, they would have found that it led to Armand Hammer. 303 00:21:47,663 --> 00:21:53,913 Hammer routinely made illegal campaign contributions to politicians. 304 00:21:54,677 --> 00:21:56,552 I saw it firsthand 305 00:21:56,552 --> 00:22:01,101 that the political establishment is buyable from top to bottom. 306 00:22:03,497 --> 00:22:07,490 [Epstein] This money was used to pay off the Watergate burglars. 307 00:22:10,581 --> 00:22:15,165 Hammer orchestrated a cover up where other people lied. 308 00:22:15,165 --> 00:22:16,345 And when that collapsed, 309 00:22:17,977 --> 00:22:20,373 Hammer had to plead guilty to a misdemeanor. 310 00:22:24,019 --> 00:22:27,283 Today, Hammer pleaded guilty of hiding contributions 311 00:22:27,353 --> 00:22:29,123 to the Nixon reelection campaign. 312 00:22:31,311 --> 00:22:35,617 [Lyndon] Having an outstanding conviction was bad for business. 313 00:22:37,909 --> 00:22:43,395 And he saw creating a relationship with Prince Charles... 314 00:22:43,395 --> 00:22:46,937 Well, I am indebted to Dr. Hammer. 315 00:22:46,937 --> 00:22:50,201 [Lyndon] ...as a way of making himself respectable again. 316 00:22:52,146 --> 00:22:56,521 He knew that everybody has a price. 317 00:22:56,521 --> 00:23:01,312 With Prince Charles, he just had to discover what that price would be. 318 00:23:03,500 --> 00:23:07,458 When Prince Charles and Diana visited the United States, 319 00:23:07,458 --> 00:23:12,147 their only unofficial, non-state occasion 320 00:23:12,147 --> 00:23:14,959 was the gala that Hammer threw for them. 321 00:23:17,042 --> 00:23:21,835 On the front pages of every newspaper, every magazine, 322 00:23:21,835 --> 00:23:24,057 their visit was the top story. 323 00:23:27,044 --> 00:23:32,252 And in the end, Hammer provided £40 million 324 00:23:32,252 --> 00:23:34,683 to Prince Charles' causes, 325 00:23:34,752 --> 00:23:37,808 which would add up to like, a quarter of a billion today. 326 00:23:39,024 --> 00:23:44,336 And Charles did see Hammer as a source 327 00:23:44,336 --> 00:23:46,524 of the funds for everything he cared about. 328 00:23:46,524 --> 00:23:53,608 How on earth do they expect us to get anything done without money? 329 00:23:53,608 --> 00:23:55,586 [crowd applauding] 330 00:23:58,711 --> 00:24:00,518 -[crowd cheering] -[band music playing] 331 00:24:03,192 --> 00:24:07,983 I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States. 332 00:24:10,170 --> 00:24:15,414 [Lyndon] George Bush Sr. did give him a pardon for the Watergate Scandal. 333 00:24:15,484 --> 00:24:16,838 [reporter] Why did George Bush pardon him? 334 00:24:16,838 --> 00:24:20,102 Hammer was a major contributor to both political parties. 335 00:24:22,498 --> 00:24:25,623 Hammer told me his private golden rule 336 00:24:25,692 --> 00:24:28,644 was the person with the gold makes the rules. 337 00:24:32,568 --> 00:24:37,673 [Lyndon] I had reservations about the way he presented himself. 338 00:24:38,715 --> 00:24:41,458 But it was only really from '88 339 00:24:42,986 --> 00:24:45,312 that my eyes were fully opened 340 00:24:46,631 --> 00:24:50,208 to the lying on which his life was based. 341 00:24:51,424 --> 00:24:53,333 Now the situation in the North Sea 342 00:24:53,403 --> 00:24:56,112 where an Occidental petroleum oil rig blew up. 343 00:24:56,112 --> 00:24:57,604 [explosion] 344 00:24:57,674 --> 00:24:59,341 [Lyndon] Piper Alpha was a platform 345 00:24:59,341 --> 00:25:01,424 owned by Occidental in the North Sea. 346 00:25:01,424 --> 00:25:05,695 It was the cornerstone of Occidental's wealth. 347 00:25:05,695 --> 00:25:09,862 [man on radio] Mayday! Explosion and fire on the Piper Alpha. 348 00:25:09,862 --> 00:25:14,064 [Lyndon] In July 1988, there was an accident on Piper Alpha 349 00:25:14,133 --> 00:25:19,966 that was the worst accident on an off-shore platform in the world ever. 350 00:25:23,717 --> 00:25:27,572 [reporter 2] The ensuing fire was so severe, half the platform collapsed. 351 00:25:28,926 --> 00:25:31,530 167 people died. 352 00:25:33,336 --> 00:25:38,093 Within minutes, the first London newspapers were on the phone calling me, 353 00:25:38,717 --> 00:25:40,177 asking if I knew anything. 354 00:25:40,177 --> 00:25:43,753 And I started to think about 355 00:25:43,822 --> 00:25:48,128 how I could serve Armand Hammer in these circumstances. 356 00:25:51,844 --> 00:25:55,281 I said to Hammer, "Be the spokesman for the corporation. 357 00:25:55,281 --> 00:25:57,782 Don't duck away. 358 00:25:57,782 --> 00:25:59,865 The worst thing you can do is hide." 359 00:26:00,489 --> 00:26:01,705 [crowd murmuring] 360 00:26:03,546 --> 00:26:06,254 [Lyndon] There were hundreds of journalists. 361 00:26:06,324 --> 00:26:08,823 And Hammer took the stage 362 00:26:08,823 --> 00:26:11,879 and just gave the performance of his life. 363 00:26:11,948 --> 00:26:14,901 -Well, how do you feel personally about it? -I feel very sad. 364 00:26:16,741 --> 00:26:19,658 [Lyndon] He was sad, he was brave, 365 00:26:19,658 --> 00:26:22,992 he fronted up. He said, "The buck stops with me," 366 00:26:22,992 --> 00:26:25,700 which was a complete falsehood. 367 00:26:25,700 --> 00:26:28,616 And the press completely swallowed it. 368 00:26:28,616 --> 00:26:32,714 There was not one skeptical question. 369 00:26:32,714 --> 00:26:38,722 Nobody said to him, "This platform has a deplorable safety record. 370 00:26:38,722 --> 00:26:41,847 There's already been one man killed in the recent year. 371 00:26:41,847 --> 00:26:43,548 There was a mass evacuation." 372 00:26:43,618 --> 00:26:47,993 And he got off exactly in the way that he intended 373 00:26:47,993 --> 00:26:50,111 and in the way that I had devised. 374 00:26:50,910 --> 00:26:52,090 [crowd murmuring] 375 00:26:54,694 --> 00:26:56,674 [Lyndon] We went to the airport. 376 00:26:56,674 --> 00:27:00,181 Prince Charles and Princess Diana came to the airport to meet him. 377 00:27:01,014 --> 00:27:03,445 They came striding towards him 378 00:27:03,515 --> 00:27:07,682 with their faces a kind of picture of sorrow and grief. 379 00:27:07,682 --> 00:27:10,703 Prince Charles puts his hand out to shake Armand Hammer's hand. 380 00:27:10,703 --> 00:27:13,306 He said, "You mustn't blame yourself." 381 00:27:17,266 --> 00:27:21,884 He got on the plane and Hammer called to the guys on the plane. 382 00:27:21,953 --> 00:27:24,488 He said, "Let's have champagne and caviar. 383 00:27:24,558 --> 00:27:25,877 We've had a great day." 384 00:27:28,967 --> 00:27:32,996 So, to enlist Prince Charles as his supporter paid off. 385 00:27:40,913 --> 00:27:44,593 There were no direct consequences whatsoever 386 00:27:44,662 --> 00:27:47,580 uh, in terms of punishments for Armand Hammer 387 00:27:47,580 --> 00:27:48,864 or the board of Occidental. 388 00:27:50,184 --> 00:27:51,538 Nothing at all. 389 00:27:57,789 --> 00:28:01,539 Hammer took no interest whatsoever 390 00:28:01,539 --> 00:28:05,810 in the survivors or their families. 391 00:28:05,810 --> 00:28:07,894 The families of the dead. 392 00:28:10,185 --> 00:28:14,803 I go back every 10 years for the 10th anniversary 393 00:28:15,949 --> 00:28:21,470 memorial services and ceremonies around Piper Alpha. 394 00:28:22,374 --> 00:28:24,040 And you see there, 395 00:28:25,394 --> 00:28:26,679 um... 396 00:28:28,310 --> 00:28:31,158 ...children who didn't know their fathers. 397 00:28:31,228 --> 00:28:33,971 Grandchildren who didn't know their grandparents. 398 00:28:37,374 --> 00:28:41,125 There was no moral defense for what I'd done. 399 00:28:41,125 --> 00:28:44,978 After Piper Alpha, I decided to get out 400 00:28:44,978 --> 00:28:47,375 of my degrading position with Hammer 401 00:28:47,375 --> 00:28:49,667 as fast as I could. 402 00:28:57,376 --> 00:29:02,376 I think he was the most Satanic man of the second half of the 20th century 403 00:29:04,043 --> 00:29:09,911 In terms of corrupting the political process, 404 00:29:09,911 --> 00:29:15,085 in terms of controlling people and making them dance his tune, 405 00:29:16,334 --> 00:29:18,349 there is no comparison. 406 00:29:19,563 --> 00:29:23,557 Armand Hammer was the embodiment of sin 407 00:29:23,626 --> 00:29:26,961 because he was the embodiment of ruthless ego. 408 00:29:45,816 --> 00:29:50,295 After my grandfather died, I gave up my career, 409 00:29:50,295 --> 00:29:53,421 quit my job, came back to Los Angeles, 410 00:29:53,421 --> 00:29:55,400 and moved in with my father. 411 00:29:56,442 --> 00:29:59,149 My father was out of control. 412 00:29:59,149 --> 00:30:02,310 He slowly started deteriorating. 413 00:30:02,379 --> 00:30:06,685 He would come downstairs and he was foaming at the mouth, 414 00:30:06,755 --> 00:30:11,026 which later I found out was meth and coke and all kinds of, just, drugs. 415 00:30:13,005 --> 00:30:16,581 He would be carrying a loaded .357 magnum. 416 00:30:18,318 --> 00:30:21,756 He would wake me up with a gun barrel on my temple 417 00:30:21,756 --> 00:30:23,873 and make me open my eyes 418 00:30:23,873 --> 00:30:28,317 and say, "I need to look in your eyes to see if you're possessed. 419 00:30:28,317 --> 00:30:30,714 Because if you're possessed, I'm pulling the trigger." 420 00:30:34,881 --> 00:30:36,895 My father would have sane moments 421 00:30:36,965 --> 00:30:39,672 and then just totally volatile moments 422 00:30:39,672 --> 00:30:43,145 where he was going crazy and he wasn't getting help. 423 00:30:47,833 --> 00:30:50,611 And this went on for months. 424 00:30:50,611 --> 00:30:53,632 I just knew that I needed to get out of there. 425 00:30:53,632 --> 00:30:55,924 And so, I moved out. 426 00:30:55,924 --> 00:30:58,423 It was just a way to protect myself. 427 00:30:58,423 --> 00:31:01,029 Hi, Casey. Come on in. 428 00:31:01,029 --> 00:31:03,216 Watch your step. 429 00:31:03,216 --> 00:31:06,967 [Casey] I tried to move forward and make a name for myself. 430 00:31:06,967 --> 00:31:09,571 -[Gloria Allred] Welcome to my home. -[door closes] 431 00:31:11,793 --> 00:31:15,856 [Casey] A friend of mine was a producer for a local news station 432 00:31:15,925 --> 00:31:18,772 and she was doing a piece called Victim No More. 433 00:31:21,967 --> 00:31:23,773 I wanted to be an actress, so I was like, 434 00:31:23,843 --> 00:31:25,335 "Sure, you can film me." 435 00:31:25,335 --> 00:31:27,905 [producer 2] You can scream, Case. Whatever you want. 436 00:31:27,905 --> 00:31:28,981 [director] Action. 437 00:31:29,989 --> 00:31:31,968 Someone came up from behind me... 438 00:31:34,190 --> 00:31:37,281 -[Casey screams] -[man] Get out of the car! 439 00:31:37,281 --> 00:31:40,024 [Casey whimpers] 440 00:31:40,092 --> 00:31:42,698 Something visceral was happening in my body 441 00:31:42,698 --> 00:31:46,136 and I was so afraid that he was going to kill me or hurt me. 442 00:31:46,136 --> 00:31:47,837 [both struggling] 443 00:31:49,608 --> 00:31:52,524 Something took over inside of me 444 00:31:52,524 --> 00:31:54,677 and I hurt him. 445 00:31:54,677 --> 00:31:58,220 -[both crying out] -[man exclaims] God dammit. 446 00:32:08,845 --> 00:32:11,240 [Casey] I realized I needed help. 447 00:32:13,672 --> 00:32:16,241 So I went to a psychologist in Beverly Hills 448 00:32:16,241 --> 00:32:19,922 and I remember walking in to his office 449 00:32:19,992 --> 00:32:22,179 and I said, "Hi, my name is Casey Hammer. 450 00:32:22,179 --> 00:32:23,949 My grandfather was Armand Hammer. 451 00:32:23,949 --> 00:32:25,096 And I'm really fucked up." 452 00:32:27,284 --> 00:32:29,784 And we started... 453 00:32:31,241 --> 00:32:34,888 And then the memories started happening when I was in therapy. 454 00:32:36,659 --> 00:32:38,639 The floodgates opened. 455 00:32:40,826 --> 00:32:45,201 I remembered one in particular incident where 456 00:32:45,201 --> 00:32:48,431 there was a lot of noise and partying going on. 457 00:32:50,340 --> 00:32:52,494 My brother was there as well. 458 00:32:54,369 --> 00:32:58,570 My father started shooting at the walls. 459 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:00,932 [gunshots] 460 00:33:00,932 --> 00:33:05,445 And then my father was like, "Wait, I've got an idea." 461 00:33:05,514 --> 00:33:09,925 And said to me, "Casey, hold this phone book." 462 00:33:10,654 --> 00:33:13,675 And I did it thinking, 463 00:33:13,675 --> 00:33:16,071 "They're not going to shoot at me." 464 00:33:17,946 --> 00:33:21,071 So, the phone book was held up to the right of my head. 465 00:33:22,912 --> 00:33:24,058 [gun clicks] 466 00:33:26,488 --> 00:33:27,390 [gunshot] 467 00:33:28,954 --> 00:33:30,447 I drop the phone book. 468 00:33:33,468 --> 00:33:36,385 I remember taking cover. 469 00:33:36,454 --> 00:33:38,781 [gunshots] 470 00:33:38,849 --> 00:33:40,552 [indistinct laughter] 471 00:33:50,448 --> 00:33:53,538 I started remembering all the abuse. 472 00:33:54,789 --> 00:33:58,956 Being choked and suffocated. 473 00:34:02,289 --> 00:34:06,699 Then I thought, "Oh, this can't be. Something's weird." 474 00:34:06,769 --> 00:34:09,199 I remember talking to my mom 475 00:34:09,269 --> 00:34:14,304 and started saying to her what I was remembering 476 00:34:14,372 --> 00:34:18,124 and hoping she would tell me, "Oh, you're just crazy." 477 00:34:18,124 --> 00:34:20,554 But it turns out, she did know about it. 478 00:34:20,623 --> 00:34:23,644 And what I was remembering was actually happening. 479 00:34:24,999 --> 00:34:27,950 Things happened to me that 480 00:34:28,020 --> 00:34:30,242 shouldn't ever have happened to a child. 481 00:34:31,666 --> 00:34:34,930 [producer] 482 00:34:40,833 --> 00:34:43,993 Yes. And... 483 00:34:46,562 --> 00:34:48,334 That's all I've ever said. 484 00:34:49,931 --> 00:34:51,146 Because... 485 00:34:55,556 --> 00:34:58,369 Maybe he's the only person I want to see when, 486 00:34:58,438 --> 00:35:00,626 I don't even think he's in heaven, 487 00:35:00,626 --> 00:35:03,543 or on the other side or whatever you believe, but, 488 00:35:05,036 --> 00:35:10,036 and that's how I know that it's so deep and so... 489 00:35:11,599 --> 00:35:14,793 Like, I don't know if I'll ever be normal because 490 00:35:16,565 --> 00:35:20,106 the fact that I still think that he'll save me 491 00:35:20,106 --> 00:35:21,980 or be there for me. 492 00:35:23,544 --> 00:35:27,815 I found out what my father was doing 493 00:35:27,815 --> 00:35:30,662 and I never confronted him. 494 00:35:30,732 --> 00:35:35,211 Because I didn't want to hear him say the words. 495 00:35:35,211 --> 00:35:38,962 There's that hope that the person's going to change 496 00:35:38,962 --> 00:35:42,191 and that they didn't mean to hurt you. 497 00:35:43,649 --> 00:35:47,955 My father ended up dying in '96, 498 00:35:47,955 --> 00:35:50,837 five years after my grandfather died. 499 00:35:51,913 --> 00:35:56,150 But, [sighs] it's still so hard. 500 00:35:56,150 --> 00:35:59,378 Because you want to share your back story. 501 00:35:59,378 --> 00:36:01,497 You want to explain why you're fucked up. 502 00:36:01,497 --> 00:36:02,817 Why you're broken. 503 00:36:06,567 --> 00:36:11,498 The generation I grew up in, it was closed door. 504 00:36:13,339 --> 00:36:16,254 But, you know, it's a different time. 505 00:36:18,582 --> 00:36:21,463 That was my sentiment with Courtney. 506 00:36:21,463 --> 00:36:25,630 It's incredibly brave nowadays because 507 00:36:25,630 --> 00:36:29,520 not only are you traumatized from what he's done, 508 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:34,728 but you're probably traumatized over and over and over. 509 00:36:34,728 --> 00:36:36,985 But he needs to be held accountable. 510 00:36:38,131 --> 00:36:40,770 And I hope she finds peace 511 00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,445 and whatever that means for her. 512 00:36:50,216 --> 00:36:52,229 [Vucekovich] I went to a residential rehab. 513 00:36:52,299 --> 00:36:55,320 It was based on, kind of, what you were struggling with. 514 00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:58,376 Which, they placed me in a trauma lodge. 515 00:36:59,591 --> 00:37:01,466 I had a specialty therapist. 516 00:37:03,028 --> 00:37:08,168 She was like, "What's the last time you felt really uncomfortable, 517 00:37:08,237 --> 00:37:10,320 really embarrassed, really afraid?" 518 00:37:12,092 --> 00:37:15,529 Then I went into that night. 519 00:37:18,238 --> 00:37:22,614 I remember the music that was playing really vividly. 520 00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:31,051 I remembered the feeling of the ropes on my wrists. 521 00:37:31,051 --> 00:37:32,718 [industrial music playing] 522 00:37:32,718 --> 00:37:35,878 It was just very surreal. 523 00:37:35,948 --> 00:37:39,489 I felt like I was, like, back in that room. 524 00:37:39,489 --> 00:37:42,128 Back in that moment. 525 00:37:45,948 --> 00:37:50,045 I got diagnosed with trauma and PTSD. 526 00:37:50,115 --> 00:37:52,858 My therapist said I had to repeat, 527 00:37:52,858 --> 00:37:56,782 "I was used, abused and abandoned." 528 00:37:56,782 --> 00:38:00,427 So, you're, like, trying to make sense of what happened. 529 00:38:00,427 --> 00:38:03,552 And that's what she had me repeat over and over. 530 00:38:03,552 --> 00:38:06,262 Like, "It's not your fault you feel this way." 531 00:38:06,262 --> 00:38:08,657 It really stuck with me. And it really made sense. 532 00:38:08,657 --> 00:38:10,325 That's truly what happened. 533 00:38:10,325 --> 00:38:15,011 I was used, abused, abandoned. Just discarded after, just, 534 00:38:15,011 --> 00:38:17,304 having my life turned inside out. 535 00:38:21,262 --> 00:38:24,110 [reporter 1] Armie Hammer's ex-girlfriend, Courtney Vucekovich... 536 00:38:24,110 --> 00:38:26,576 [reporter 2] Armie Hammer's public accounts are going viral. 537 00:38:26,576 --> 00:38:28,068 [reporter 3] Courtney Vucekovich has come forward 538 00:38:28,138 --> 00:38:30,360 with claims against her ex, Armie Hammer. 539 00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:32,548 [Vucekovich] When all this blew up, 540 00:38:32,548 --> 00:38:35,222 Paige messaged me on Instagram. 541 00:38:35,222 --> 00:38:37,548 I just sent her my phone number and she called me. 542 00:38:37,618 --> 00:38:40,673 The first thing she said was, "Why didn't you tell me?" 543 00:38:40,743 --> 00:38:43,764 And then she told me her story. 544 00:38:43,764 --> 00:38:48,243 It's like, holy shit. It is a copy-paste. 545 00:38:49,388 --> 00:38:53,244 It was the same road trip. The same motel. 546 00:38:53,244 --> 00:38:56,612 We wore the same cowboy hat in our pictures. 547 00:38:56,681 --> 00:39:00,847 We both watched that movie, the Secretary. 548 00:39:00,847 --> 00:39:04,390 I sent her the album that he played 549 00:39:04,390 --> 00:39:08,279 when he tied me up, traumatizing me. 550 00:39:08,349 --> 00:39:12,306 She goes, he played the same exact album to her. 551 00:39:12,306 --> 00:39:14,842 She was like, "Does he call you 'little thing'?" 552 00:39:14,912 --> 00:39:17,342 And I said, "Yeah, 'perfect little thing'?" 553 00:39:17,342 --> 00:39:18,592 She was like, "Yeah, 'perfect little thing.'" 554 00:39:18,662 --> 00:39:22,342 He says the same, he called us the same nicknames. 555 00:39:23,488 --> 00:39:25,849 She meet his mom. She went home with him. 556 00:39:25,849 --> 00:39:29,079 I mean, who just introduces everyone to their mom? 557 00:39:29,079 --> 00:39:30,260 They had known each other a month. 558 00:39:30,329 --> 00:39:32,517 I had meet her weeks prior. 559 00:39:32,517 --> 00:39:35,330 We had the same relationship. 560 00:39:35,330 --> 00:39:39,601 And we'd almost guarantee there was another one that same day 561 00:39:39,601 --> 00:39:41,198 that he was going to do it again to. 562 00:39:41,198 --> 00:39:44,600 And he was going to continue this cycle, 563 00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:47,517 this destructive cycle, 564 00:39:47,517 --> 00:39:49,427 until he couldn't anymore. 565 00:39:54,913 --> 00:39:58,074 To Armie Hammer, and some good news for him, 566 00:39:58,142 --> 00:40:00,991 involving one of, uh, the allegations against him, 567 00:40:00,991 --> 00:40:07,936 an allegation of rape, is looking like that is not going to result in charges. 568 00:40:07,936 --> 00:40:11,269 [Morrison] It's a huge slap in the face to see something like this. 569 00:40:11,269 --> 00:40:14,186 I am in shock, but I'm not surprised. 570 00:40:15,262 --> 00:40:21,304 I can assure you that when TMZ made that report, 571 00:40:21,374 --> 00:40:24,916 the case had not yet been sent to the district attorney, 572 00:40:24,916 --> 00:40:27,520 let alone dropped. 573 00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:32,311 TMZ never even checked with me before they ran that story. 574 00:40:49,014 --> 00:40:51,827 It's a common PR tactic, quite frankly. 575 00:40:55,751 --> 00:40:59,085 It's like, "Okay, I'm going to own up to having a problem, 576 00:40:59,085 --> 00:41:00,960 so I'm going to try to rectify it." 577 00:41:12,731 --> 00:41:16,099 It seems Armie Hammer has quietly hired a new PR person. Hear me out. 578 00:41:16,168 --> 00:41:20,857 So, this was front page on the Daily Mail this morning on Snapchat. 579 00:41:20,857 --> 00:41:22,975 That his new girl, Lisa Perejma, 580 00:41:23,044 --> 00:41:24,954 has turned Armie Hammer's life around. 581 00:41:25,024 --> 00:41:27,350 The article says, "Armie's happier and healthier 582 00:41:27,420 --> 00:41:28,982 than I've ever seen him in a long time." 583 00:41:30,336 --> 00:41:32,940 [Bacardi] I think rehab was his stepping stone, 584 00:41:32,940 --> 00:41:34,746 trying to rebrand his image. 585 00:41:43,913 --> 00:41:46,934 Of course, in the same week that Death on the Nile is coming out, 586 00:41:47,004 --> 00:41:49,192 an article saying that Armie's really done 587 00:41:49,192 --> 00:41:53,046 so much work in rehab came out right before the movie. 588 00:42:22,631 --> 00:42:25,131 "Cancel culture" is on people's tongues 589 00:42:25,131 --> 00:42:27,353 way more than "rape culture." 590 00:42:27,423 --> 00:42:30,235 And rape culture is a much bigger issue. 591 00:42:30,235 --> 00:42:33,882 And cancel culture wouldn't exist if rape culture wasn't such a big issue. 592 00:42:51,279 --> 00:42:55,272 [Ryan Bailey] I think at the end of the day, PR will win in this situation. 593 00:42:55,341 --> 00:42:57,633 Obviously, Hollywood is built on money. 594 00:42:57,633 --> 00:43:00,967 And, obviously, Armie comes from a family that was built on money. 595 00:43:00,967 --> 00:43:05,134 So, if Armie can find a way to make somebody money, 596 00:43:06,418 --> 00:43:09,301 then why couldn't he possibly work? 597 00:43:09,301 --> 00:43:12,946 [Bacardi] I think that we all expect that he's not going to get in trouble. 598 00:43:12,946 --> 00:43:17,634 We all know there's no justice when it comes to people with this much power. 599 00:43:17,634 --> 00:43:19,405 [Armie] I'm sure there are people, probably a lot of people, 600 00:43:19,405 --> 00:43:21,385 especially in this town, who look at who I am 601 00:43:21,385 --> 00:43:23,607 or, you know, sort of, my family and all that 602 00:43:23,676 --> 00:43:25,446 and say, "Well that's why he got the part." 603 00:43:25,446 --> 00:43:27,391 [Candice Cronkhite] Generation to generation, 604 00:43:27,391 --> 00:43:30,899 they have had a history of just doing whatever they want and getting away with it 605 00:43:30,968 --> 00:43:34,927 because of the power and the money that they have. 606 00:43:34,927 --> 00:43:38,261 And that's pretty intimidating. 607 00:43:38,261 --> 00:43:40,968 Every generation, every period of humanity 608 00:43:40,968 --> 00:43:42,983 has always dealt with the same shit. 609 00:43:42,983 --> 00:43:44,754 And we will always deal with the same shit, 610 00:43:44,823 --> 00:43:46,420 we just wear different clothes when we do it. 611 00:43:52,531 --> 00:43:55,762 [Morrison] I'm really grateful Armie and I didn't meet up. 612 00:43:55,762 --> 00:43:58,366 By the time that we got to January 613 00:43:58,366 --> 00:44:01,595 and I had seen that he had been doing this for years, 614 00:44:01,595 --> 00:44:04,616 that's when I realized how close to danger I really was. 615 00:44:06,283 --> 00:44:10,136 A lot of the press was just all about all of the roles he had lost 616 00:44:10,136 --> 00:44:12,533 and that was very frustrating to me. 617 00:44:12,533 --> 00:44:18,680 My intention was to bring back to the conversation 618 00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:23,367 the abuses that this person has inflicted. 619 00:44:25,589 --> 00:44:29,618 I felt like art was the way for me to speak to this issue. 620 00:44:35,242 --> 00:44:39,236 So I decided to make art pieces from my conversations with Armie. 621 00:44:40,035 --> 00:44:41,492 Going back into these messages 622 00:44:41,492 --> 00:44:43,160 was really something I had avoided. 623 00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:47,153 Um, but when I did, I did it from a place of power. 624 00:44:47,223 --> 00:44:50,174 The first two pieces that I made painted a good picture 625 00:44:50,244 --> 00:44:54,029 about the intersection between wealth, predation and the abuse of power. 626 00:44:54,931 --> 00:44:57,258 Here I posted this meme 627 00:44:57,328 --> 00:44:59,654 which is about the greatest wealth transfer 628 00:44:59,724 --> 00:45:01,599 that we've seen in the history of humankind. 629 00:45:01,599 --> 00:45:06,599 It says, "Trying to enjoy the weekend without fear of impending doom." 630 00:45:06,599 --> 00:45:09,029 This was in August of 2020, 631 00:45:09,099 --> 00:45:11,808 so this is still during the height of the pandemic. 632 00:45:11,808 --> 00:45:15,558 I said, "Eat the rich for real nom nom nom." 633 00:45:17,051 --> 00:45:20,142 And then Armie reacted to my story. 634 00:45:20,142 --> 00:45:22,989 Slid right in, "100 percent." 635 00:45:23,057 --> 00:45:25,072 Which is ironic because he comes from 636 00:45:25,141 --> 00:45:28,059 one of the wealthiest families on the plant. 637 00:45:28,059 --> 00:45:32,851 He said, "Dibs on the glute muscles and ribs for smoking." 638 00:45:32,851 --> 00:45:35,698 In light of everything that's come out since, 639 00:45:37,989 --> 00:45:39,621 I don't find that funny. 640 00:45:40,351 --> 00:45:43,615 And him mirroring my frustrations, 641 00:45:43,685 --> 00:45:46,393 is a way from him to say that he's just like me. 642 00:45:46,393 --> 00:45:48,163 It's a way to gain my trust. 643 00:45:48,163 --> 00:45:50,872 And it's a way for me to let my guard down. 644 00:45:52,435 --> 00:45:54,657 I'm quite vocal on my Instagram 645 00:45:54,727 --> 00:45:58,060 about my background of having grown up in foster care. 646 00:46:01,081 --> 00:46:03,685 I wouldn't be surprised if he read those things and thought, 647 00:46:03,685 --> 00:46:06,186 "Oh, okay, she's vulnerable." 648 00:46:06,186 --> 00:46:08,893 We spoke about my past history of abuse 649 00:46:08,893 --> 00:46:12,887 and he, um, very openly confided about, you know, 650 00:46:12,956 --> 00:46:16,012 almost getting into a fistfight with his father in the Islands. 651 00:46:17,888 --> 00:46:21,013 And his father, like, drinking and taking, like, 652 00:46:21,083 --> 00:46:23,166 Vicodin at the same time. 653 00:46:23,166 --> 00:46:24,659 He painted a pretty chaotic picture. 654 00:46:27,020 --> 00:46:30,562 But it wasn't coming from a place of good intention. 655 00:46:30,562 --> 00:46:33,514 It was coming from a place to manipulate 656 00:46:33,583 --> 00:46:37,334 and figure out what tools that then he could use 657 00:46:37,334 --> 00:46:39,347 to keep you under control 658 00:46:39,417 --> 00:46:41,639 or use them against you in the future. 659 00:46:44,243 --> 00:46:47,959 When I came forward about my experiences with him, 660 00:46:47,959 --> 00:46:49,452 there was a lot of online harassment. 661 00:46:50,980 --> 00:46:55,251 If you're just, like, some troll, like, in a dark room, 662 00:46:55,251 --> 00:46:57,750 just, like, spewing hate towards other people who are 663 00:46:57,750 --> 00:46:59,765 actually doing shit with their lives, like, 664 00:46:59,765 --> 00:47:02,856 you know, I'm not going to let someone like that get to me. 665 00:47:05,981 --> 00:47:08,620 [Skae] I went into this not understanding the fandom 666 00:47:08,690 --> 00:47:10,391 that was Call Me By Your Name. 667 00:47:12,023 --> 00:47:16,398 But, the charmies are essentially superfans of Armie Hammer. 668 00:47:18,065 --> 00:47:19,940 The woman that have come forward, 669 00:47:19,940 --> 00:47:22,440 uh, they target in a very big way. 670 00:47:25,808 --> 00:47:27,267 Shame on them. 671 00:47:27,336 --> 00:47:30,148 If any of them would like to show their faces, 672 00:47:30,148 --> 00:47:31,990 I would love to know who you are. 673 00:47:33,517 --> 00:47:37,371 [Vucekovich] One of the hardest times of my life was that news coming out. 674 00:47:39,524 --> 00:47:42,788 I started getting harassed by his, like, die-hard fans. 675 00:47:48,830 --> 00:47:51,505 I mean, they really hit you where it hurts. 676 00:47:52,997 --> 00:47:57,026 I mean, they have endless chat rooms about, like, what to do to me. 677 00:47:57,026 --> 00:47:59,734 They would text my personal cell phone number. 678 00:47:59,734 --> 00:48:03,588 They would send me pictures of my high-rise 679 00:48:03,588 --> 00:48:05,394 apartment building that I lived in. 680 00:48:05,394 --> 00:48:07,130 They would send me death threats. 681 00:48:08,485 --> 00:48:10,360 I moved out of my apartment. 682 00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:14,144 I bought a house and I put cameras all over. 683 00:48:15,394 --> 00:48:18,832 The charmies made my life hell. 684 00:48:20,082 --> 00:48:21,819 They want me to break so bad. 685 00:48:29,458 --> 00:48:31,194 Fear is the weapon 686 00:48:32,270 --> 00:48:38,312 that keeps victims emotionally paralyzed. 687 00:48:38,382 --> 00:48:40,466 It's very hard. 688 00:48:41,612 --> 00:48:46,508 Because once the victim enters that dangerous world 689 00:48:46,508 --> 00:48:48,105 of the court of public opinion, 690 00:48:49,424 --> 00:48:53,279 there is generally going to be some backlash. 691 00:48:53,279 --> 00:48:57,549 But, they didn't expect how ugly it could be out there. 692 00:49:05,606 --> 00:49:07,481 -[Vucekovich] Nice to meet you. -[Casey] Nice to meet you. 693 00:49:07,551 --> 00:49:09,426 -[Vucekovich] Can I give you a hug? -Yes. Absolutely. 694 00:49:09,426 --> 00:49:11,405 -[Vucekovich] How are you? -I'm good. How are you? 695 00:49:11,405 --> 00:49:12,551 [Vucekovich] I'm okay. 696 00:49:18,106 --> 00:49:20,086 How are you handling everything? 697 00:49:21,336 --> 00:49:24,948 Um, it comes in waves, you know. 698 00:49:24,948 --> 00:49:29,635 I think I can say now that I'm out of it, looking back. 699 00:49:29,635 --> 00:49:32,448 -[Casey] Mmm-hmm. -I'm a lot stronger than I was. 700 00:49:32,448 --> 00:49:36,545 And I've learned a lot from what I experienced. 701 00:49:36,615 --> 00:49:41,233 And I've learned a lot about how to avoid people like that. 702 00:49:41,302 --> 00:49:43,907 It's one of those things where it just continues 703 00:49:43,907 --> 00:49:45,573 until someone breaks the cycle. 704 00:49:45,573 --> 00:49:50,366 And it's so important for someone like you 705 00:49:50,366 --> 00:49:54,011 who's very intelligent, very successful, 706 00:49:54,011 --> 00:49:57,275 to let people know it can happen to anybody. 707 00:49:57,345 --> 00:49:58,734 It's so common. 708 00:49:58,734 --> 00:50:02,658 The way we grew up, it was very secretive in a sense, right? 709 00:50:02,658 --> 00:50:05,992 And now, for me, with social media, like, 710 00:50:05,992 --> 00:50:09,950 I can't even imagine when I see someone like you, 711 00:50:09,950 --> 00:50:11,860 up against this dynasty 712 00:50:14,637 --> 00:50:19,534 that have gotten away with this for so long. 713 00:50:22,485 --> 00:50:26,756 Before the internet, it was difficult for women 714 00:50:26,826 --> 00:50:29,951 who were used and abused to speak out. 715 00:50:29,951 --> 00:50:33,528 They felt silenced. And, in fact, they were silenced. 716 00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:37,659 Now, with the internet, many women 717 00:50:37,659 --> 00:50:42,972 refuse to suffer in silence and speak out 718 00:50:42,972 --> 00:50:47,244 against those who have used, abused and manipulated them. 719 00:50:48,494 --> 00:50:51,341 I hope that speaking out about the abuse I endured 720 00:50:51,411 --> 00:50:52,904 at the hands of Armie Hammer 721 00:50:52,974 --> 00:50:55,368 is that he will be held accountable. 722 00:50:55,368 --> 00:50:58,182 [Allred] They want their voices to be heard. 723 00:50:58,182 --> 00:51:01,758 For many of them, they want to warn other women. 724 00:51:01,828 --> 00:51:04,884 They have the feeling that they can't undo 725 00:51:04,953 --> 00:51:06,932 the wrong that was done to them, 726 00:51:06,932 --> 00:51:10,717 but maybe they can protect someone else's daughter. 727 00:51:10,787 --> 00:51:13,738 That's why they speak out. 728 00:51:13,808 --> 00:51:17,558 [Vucekovich] While I say that these charmies were being horrible, 729 00:51:18,634 --> 00:51:22,246 I had thousands of people message me. 730 00:51:22,246 --> 00:51:23,495 Like, women that were like, 731 00:51:23,495 --> 00:51:26,239 "I've had this exact same thing happen." 732 00:51:27,976 --> 00:51:29,226 I mean, everybody was relating. 733 00:51:29,226 --> 00:51:33,323 It gives me chills because I got the saddest, most real, 734 00:51:33,393 --> 00:51:36,100 vulnerable messages of everyone being like, 735 00:51:36,100 --> 00:51:39,121 "I realize it's toxic. I'm getting out." 736 00:51:39,121 --> 00:51:43,288 I was willing to open up about it to help people 737 00:51:43,288 --> 00:51:45,685 avoid a situation like this. 738 00:51:45,685 --> 00:51:50,164 There was a thousand messages that were, like, 739 00:51:50,164 --> 00:51:51,935 "Okay, well, something good came out of this." 740 00:51:55,165 --> 00:51:57,699 You want people to be able to recognize these abusive patterns. 741 00:51:57,768 --> 00:52:01,623 I feel like, then it changes. Like, you feel good doing it 742 00:52:01,623 --> 00:52:03,012 because you're doing it for the right reasons 743 00:52:03,012 --> 00:52:05,512 and not because you're bitter or you're sad. 744 00:52:05,582 --> 00:52:06,554 Absolutely. 745 00:52:08,603 --> 00:52:11,103 So much of what Courtney echoes 746 00:52:12,352 --> 00:52:15,062 is what I still continue to struggle with. 747 00:52:15,895 --> 00:52:17,665 And mine was a long time ago. 748 00:52:19,644 --> 00:52:23,395 I was sent a letter recently by my brother. 749 00:52:23,395 --> 00:52:25,097 And it says, "Dear Casey, 750 00:52:25,166 --> 00:52:28,534 although we haven't spoken in many years, 751 00:52:28,604 --> 00:52:32,458 I heard the untrue and hurtful things 752 00:52:32,458 --> 00:52:35,688 you've recently said about our family. 753 00:52:35,688 --> 00:52:38,604 I can no longer remain quiet 754 00:52:38,604 --> 00:52:42,355 and allow you to feed your thirst 755 00:52:43,292 --> 00:52:47,355 for notoriety at the expense of our family 756 00:52:47,355 --> 00:52:50,411 and the Armand Hammer Foundation. 757 00:52:51,556 --> 00:52:54,751 If you chose to continue pretending 758 00:52:54,751 --> 00:52:58,640 that the stories you have invented are the truth, 759 00:52:58,710 --> 00:53:03,189 I will have no choice other than to pursue 760 00:53:03,189 --> 00:53:07,564 every legal remedy to set the record straight. 761 00:53:08,745 --> 00:53:13,537 Despite all the pain your fabrications have caused, 762 00:53:13,607 --> 00:53:17,912 you share the blood running through my veins. 763 00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:21,350 You are still my family 764 00:53:21,420 --> 00:53:24,231 and I wish you nothing but the best. 765 00:53:24,231 --> 00:53:26,871 Very truly yours, Michael." 766 00:53:31,108 --> 00:53:34,267 My brother thinks he can silence me. 767 00:53:36,247 --> 00:53:39,337 The way my brother is intimidating me right now 768 00:53:39,337 --> 00:53:41,107 through that letter and those words, 769 00:53:41,107 --> 00:53:43,296 it's exactly what my grandfather would do. 770 00:53:45,101 --> 00:53:47,880 I've let the Hammers control me 771 00:53:49,233 --> 00:53:51,143 so much my whole life. 772 00:53:53,331 --> 00:53:55,414 It's time to stop. 773 00:53:56,422 --> 00:53:58,019 I refuse to be silenced. 63503

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