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[eerie music playing]
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[Casey Hammer]
The Hammer men,
you just don't know
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what's hiding
behind their personality
or behind their demeanor.
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And it's really apparent
with Armie.
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What's coming out publicly
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about the love bombing
and the texting
and the controlling.
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I'm not surprised
by any of that.
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And it weirds and scares
a lot of people,
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but for me
it's really familiar.
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If you believe about
making deals with the devil,
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the Hammers are top
of the totem pole.
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After the documentary
was announced
before we started filming,
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-I received a text.
-[cellphone pinging]
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And it was a friend.
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She said...
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[reading]
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[music swelling]
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[opening theme music playing]
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[Courtney Vucekovich]
I have this reoccurring dream.
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It starts
with this motel sign.
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But in my dream, the motel
just keeps going.
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Something worse is happening
in each room.
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[echoing footsteps]
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And I can't get the fuck out.
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[door closes]
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There's no way out.
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You have to go through
the whole thing again.
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The scenario with the ropes
in Sedona was six days
before I met his mom.
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After that, it was horrible.
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I completely disassociated.
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It was like I wanted to get
as far away from him,
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as far away
from what had happened.
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I always keep a journal.
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This piece is something
I wrote on my way
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to my first treatment center
on October 5th.
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This is on the plane.
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[clears throat]
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[reading]
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[exhales] "I surrendered
to him 100 percent,
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gave him anything good
I had left.
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What in the fuck
is wrong with you?
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He used me in every way
humanly possible for months
and I fucking let him.
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I feel absolutely
numb and small
and disgusting and ugly."
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While I was in rehab...
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[cellphone pings]
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Some idiot texted me,
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"Armie has a new girlfriend."
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And I looked her up.
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The first thing I saw,
she was really young.
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She's gorgeous.
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But she posted a picture,
it was like, kind of
a lingerie picture.
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She had bruises
all over her arms,
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her chest, her legs.
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I could see the bruises
and I knew exactly
what that picture was.
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You know, he says, "Wear it
like a badge of honor."
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My heart fucking sank
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because I was like,
"He's gonna do this
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to somebody
who's 22 years old.
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What he just did to me."
I was 30.
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She's 22.
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I know how it is
in the beginning.
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And I just like, I knew
what she felt at the time.
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She looked so happy, like...
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I was there.
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He was on
to the next one who's...
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Younger? Maybe more naive?
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Maybe more impressed
with his fame?
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It was... He was off
to do it to her.
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I had just got out of
a two year
really long relationship
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when I moved to LA.
I had never been to LA before.
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That was um, my second time
ever going. So...
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My first impressions of him
were extremely charming.
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Just captivated the room.
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He was just full of life.
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Loving, charismatic.
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Kind of the person that we see
in the interviews
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and the person that we see
on the screen.
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[paparazzi] Armie,
turn your head for me.
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And he really was
so all consuming
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and he made me feel like
it was a safe space.
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Made me feel this was normal.
He made me feel like
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this was gonna be
fun and sexy.
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He carried safety pins,
Shibari rope, knives...
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Uh, like a paddle.
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Just a lot of the BDSM tools.
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He would always travel
with it wherever we went
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and whenever he came over
to my home in LA.
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He said he wanted to find
a doctor in Los Angeles
to remove both my ribs.
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He wanted to eat my ribs.
He wanted to smoke them.
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He was obsessed with meat.
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I brushed it off,
but I do believe
that he was serious.
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He would set up things
called high protocol nights.
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He'd set up a night
with very strict rules
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and it's all built
around like, inflicting pain
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on the submissive one
in the relationship,
which was me.
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I didn't know what BDSM was,
so I thought that
that was normal.
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To me, it's obvious
that Armie Hammer chose people
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who didn't have
any experience in BDSM
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because it gives him
an advantage
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to prey upon these people.
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Because they're
more easily coerced
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because they don't know
what BDSM really is.
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I had no idea
what I was getting into.
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And looking back, it's like,
very dangerous.
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The traditional motto of BDSM
is safe, sane and consensual.
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Most commonly
in the dom-sub relationship,
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the scenes are all centered
around the sub's fantasies.
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Safety and trust
are right there.
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It's the foundation
of the BDSM relationship.
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-[app clicks]
-[Vucekovich] On one of these
high protocol nights,
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I was tied up,
and he basically looked over
my body and said to me,
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"Where should I put
my initials on you?"
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And then he just started to
carve his initial into me.
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And I just didn't
say anything.
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It was bleeding
and he was licking it,
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drinking kind of like, blood.
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Yeah, that's heavy.
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The part that stands out
to me is, you know,
him coming to her and said,
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"Where should I put
my initials on you?"
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And then, he just proceeded
to cut her.
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So there was no negotiations
before the scene about it.
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She is in
a very vulnerable position
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because she is
feeling submissive,
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she's in a state
of wanting to please him
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and she doesn't want to say no
in the moment.
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[Vucekovich]
I was in a weak position
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and he was in
a position of power.
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He knew how uncomfortable
it made me, but I just
never said no.
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And I think that kind of
being coerced into things
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and we just
don't want to say no.
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We don't want
to be undesirable.
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It's traumatizing.
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I was vulnerable.
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I was groomed by him.
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Someone who's getting off
on somebody else's fear,
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when that person feels
uncomfortable about it,
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is not a kinkster doing BDSM.
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That person is an abuser.
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[Vucekovich]
And that's very sad
to think about.
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When you look back
and you realize it was just
abuse and manipulation.
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It wasn't somebody
that cared for you
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and you just like, fell
into their trap so gracefully.
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[coworker] When the abuse
allegations came out,
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it was a mixture
of shocked and not shocked.
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I had an opportunity to work
with Armie Hammer.
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What I had experienced
was nothing compared to
what they had experienced.
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But the same kind of qualities
were there.
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Basically every story
I have to tell about him
can be rooted in,
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"I control you
'cause you're my employee."
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Armie puts on
this beautiful face
to everybody.
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I was just trying to make
a damn movie. Everybody just
needs to calm down.
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[coworker] You'd work with him
the entire movie
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and never see through
that facade.
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Behind closed doors,
it's different.
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There was one instance
where he told me
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that this old friend of his
was coming into town
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and he wanted me to go
to the airport
and hold up a sign
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in the airport
that said, "Faggot."
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I have chills actually
thinking about it right now.
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If I said no to him
about something,
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he'd try and find ways
to shame me.
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And this time he took a poll
from everybody.
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"Should I fire him
because he won't do
what I told him to do?"
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I was a big kind of joke
or whatever.
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And he kept really pushing
and pushing and pushing
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because he thought
it'd be funny.
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We ended up
at a strip club once.
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10 a.m. on a Tuesday,
me and Armie and other actors
and other crew members
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and lording his position
and my position over my head,
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forced me into getting
a lap dance.
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I was very against it.
I didn't want to do it.
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I felt incredibly
uncomfortable with it.
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But he basically
ended up again saying,
"I'm your superior.
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You need to do this."
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And so, he made me believe
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that I had no choice.
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I could have walked away,
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but you just get scared of
the stature of it all.
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The job title and the person.
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-You do dangerous things?
-Yeah, I mean I like to, yeah.
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[coworker] It just snowballed.
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[car revving]
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We would get into his car
and then we would do
140 miles-an-hour
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like, through
residential streets
while he was inebriated.
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And it would scare me
like crazy.
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My wife, uh,
for the longest time
was convinced
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that I had what she called
a frontal lobe issue
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which I guess she says
that's where you assess risk
and danger and all that,
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and she says
that mine is just
severely underdeveloped.
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[coworker] It was just kind of
daredevil machismo
and exerting power.
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I just want to be helpful
to the people that need it.
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There are a lot of women
that have had their lives
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irreparably damaged
by all of this.
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It's like Dante's Inferno.
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It's gonna get worse
the deeper down you go.
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At the bottom it's just Armie.
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[coworker] I knew Armie
came from wealth.
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There are stories about like,
his connection
to Armand Hammer.
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I would say had I chosen
to sort of follow
the family's path
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and gone into business,
it would have been
much more advantageous.
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[coworker] He told me
about growing up
in the Caymans.
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And how his father bought
a mansion there
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'cause he had seen The Firm.
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That's rich people shit.
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I feel like with a lot
of wealthy families,
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there's always
a dark story there.
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No one can ever be
totally normal when you have
that much wealth.
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And Armie's father
is the picture perfect
example of that.
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[Casey] Michael and Dru
basically walked away
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with everything
after my grandfather died.
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They took control
of the Hammer Foundation,
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his estate
and millions of dollars.
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[Lauren Skae] There were
famous rabbis at his funeral.
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And he literally was supposed
to have a bar mitzvah
the day after he died.
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Dru's father in the middle
of Armand Hammer's funeral
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declared that Armand had
changed his religion
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and accepted Jesus
on his deathbed.
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[Casey] Dru's father says
that before Armand died,
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he said, "I accept Christ."
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And all these people's jaws
just fell open.
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[Skae] Michael Hammer
had $40 million in that trust
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and he is now taking
Armand's funds
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and putting them
into all of these
Evangelical causes.
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Christian organizations
and Christian universities.
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It feels like he rewrote
the script for his grandfather
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and it just doesn't seem like
things are being handled
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in the way that Armand
would have wanted.
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Michael technically worked
for Occidental
for like another year.
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And then he left Oxy.
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Michael didn't want
to carry on the name
from my grandfather at all.
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You have Michael
who is the most Christian man
out there to the public.
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But at the same time
behind the scenes,
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it's clear to me
that there was some
really bad behavior.
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Hang onto your hats, guys.
The Armie Hammer
article dropped
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and the tea is piping hot.
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Michael Hammer,
Armie's father,
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it seems he may have
passed down some of
his proclivity to his son.
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The sex throne, I heard about
a confirmed photo.
239
00:16:59,625 --> 00:17:01,639
So the sex throne's like,
seven feet tall.
240
00:17:01,709 --> 00:17:07,577
And there's also the Hammer
insignia, their family crest,
on the throne.
241
00:17:07,647 --> 00:17:08,897
"For years,
three people claimed,
242
00:17:08,897 --> 00:17:10,668
Michael boasted
about a sex throne
243
00:17:10,668 --> 00:17:12,437
or naughty chair,
as he has called it,
244
00:17:12,437 --> 00:17:14,835
and kept in Armand Hammer
Foundation headquarters."
245
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[reading]
246
00:17:20,771 --> 00:17:22,369
There is a hook,
like a meat hook.
247
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And I...
248
00:17:25,876 --> 00:17:30,043
Almost don't even want to
imagine what somebody
would do with this.
249
00:17:30,043 --> 00:17:32,336
[reading]
250
00:17:37,683 --> 00:17:41,815
Michael's lawyer came out
and said that
this was a gag gift.
251
00:17:41,815 --> 00:17:47,441
It seems like an awfully large
gag gift and a very customized
gag gift to give someone.
252
00:17:47,441 --> 00:17:52,684
Sex thrones most certainly
do not align with
a Christian image. [chuckles]
253
00:17:53,274 --> 00:17:54,316
Like father, like son.
254
00:17:55,774 --> 00:17:57,580
It's such a facade.
255
00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:02,059
[Vucekovich] I think
we're all seeing the pattern.
256
00:18:02,962 --> 00:18:06,817
It's just generation
to generation.
257
00:18:07,580 --> 00:18:09,664
[indistinct conversation]
258
00:18:10,774 --> 00:18:13,484
We all know
Armie's public persona.
259
00:18:13,484 --> 00:18:17,547
I think his team
and his family kind of
curates this image
260
00:18:19,004 --> 00:18:20,637
around him?
261
00:18:24,456 --> 00:18:28,068
[Edward Epstein]
The Hammers are very keen
on presenting themselves
262
00:18:28,068 --> 00:18:30,985
for public consumption
in a certain way.
263
00:18:30,985 --> 00:18:34,874
And so, Armie Hammer used
the same practices
264
00:18:34,943 --> 00:18:37,686
as his father, Michael,
265
00:18:37,686 --> 00:18:40,256
and his great-grandfather,
Armand Hammer.
266
00:18:41,645 --> 00:18:44,527
You don't see what's going on
behind the curtain.
267
00:18:47,062 --> 00:18:49,666
Armand Hammer
had many secrets.
268
00:18:54,423 --> 00:18:57,028
When Armand Hammer died,
269
00:18:57,028 --> 00:19:01,924
to my surprise,
Julian Hammer gave me
a great deal of material.
270
00:19:06,404 --> 00:19:08,730
He gave me
all his private papers
271
00:19:09,876 --> 00:19:11,925
as well as recordings
of his father.
272
00:19:16,299 --> 00:19:21,508
I think that it was because,
very simply spoken,
273
00:19:21,508 --> 00:19:25,606
he hated what his father
had done to him in cutting him
out of his will.
274
00:19:27,342 --> 00:19:31,821
He decided that he was gonna
expose his father
275
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as a criminal.
276
00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:39,843
Occidental would have been
a very small oil company
277
00:19:39,843 --> 00:19:41,926
which we wouldn't even
know the name today
278
00:19:43,072 --> 00:19:47,690
except Hammer was a master
at bribery.
279
00:19:50,607 --> 00:19:53,524
Armand Hammer would go
to a powerful person.
280
00:19:57,657 --> 00:19:59,010
He would offer them money,
281
00:19:59,947 --> 00:20:02,448
illegal cash bribes.
282
00:20:04,011 --> 00:20:05,191
He would deliver the money.
283
00:20:06,511 --> 00:20:07,865
[indistinct conversation]
284
00:20:09,254 --> 00:20:14,012
And Julian would record
the entire crime
being committed
285
00:20:14,012 --> 00:20:16,546
so he could later blackmail
the person.
286
00:20:20,054 --> 00:20:21,512
[Armand] Yeah.
287
00:20:26,026 --> 00:20:27,867
[Epstein] Very little
shocks me, I should say,
288
00:20:27,867 --> 00:20:30,297
but the tapes he gave me
shocked me.
289
00:20:31,617 --> 00:20:32,763
[man]
290
00:20:37,485 --> 00:20:38,735
That's the President...
291
00:20:40,923 --> 00:20:42,762
...of Venezuela he's bribing.
292
00:20:47,069 --> 00:20:49,986
Hammer had no shame.
293
00:20:50,889 --> 00:20:52,972
He ignored all laws.
294
00:20:52,972 --> 00:20:56,305
Armand Hammer built
his own business empire
295
00:20:56,305 --> 00:20:59,534
on a great number
of great crimes.
296
00:21:00,924 --> 00:21:04,431
The extraordinary thing
about the Hammer family
297
00:21:04,431 --> 00:21:09,883
is the consistency
of vice over virtue.
298
00:21:21,202 --> 00:21:24,120
I shall resign the presidency
effective at noon tomorrow.
299
00:21:28,391 --> 00:21:31,516
[Neil Lyndon] In the movie
All the President's Men,
300
00:21:31,516 --> 00:21:34,953
which was about
the Watergate Scandal,
301
00:21:34,953 --> 00:21:39,989
Deep Throat says,
"Follow the money."
302
00:21:39,989 --> 00:21:43,635
[chuckles] If they did,
they would have found
that it led to Armand Hammer.
303
00:21:47,663 --> 00:21:53,913
Hammer routinely made
illegal campaign contributions
to politicians.
304
00:21:54,677 --> 00:21:56,552
I saw it firsthand
305
00:21:56,552 --> 00:22:01,101
that the political
establishment is buyable
from top to bottom.
306
00:22:03,497 --> 00:22:07,490
[Epstein] This money
was used to pay off
the Watergate burglars.
307
00:22:10,581 --> 00:22:15,165
Hammer orchestrated a cover up
where other people lied.
308
00:22:15,165 --> 00:22:16,345
And when that collapsed,
309
00:22:17,977 --> 00:22:20,373
Hammer had to plead guilty
to a misdemeanor.
310
00:22:24,019 --> 00:22:27,283
Today, Hammer pleaded guilty
of hiding contributions
311
00:22:27,353 --> 00:22:29,123
to the Nixon
reelection campaign.
312
00:22:31,311 --> 00:22:35,617
[Lyndon] Having an outstanding
conviction was bad
for business.
313
00:22:37,909 --> 00:22:43,395
And he saw creating
a relationship
with Prince Charles...
314
00:22:43,395 --> 00:22:46,937
Well, I am indebted
to Dr. Hammer.
315
00:22:46,937 --> 00:22:50,201
[Lyndon] ...as a way
of making himself
respectable again.
316
00:22:52,146 --> 00:22:56,521
He knew that everybody
has a price.
317
00:22:56,521 --> 00:23:01,312
With Prince Charles,
he just had to discover
what that price would be.
318
00:23:03,500 --> 00:23:07,458
When Prince Charles and Diana
visited the United States,
319
00:23:07,458 --> 00:23:12,147
their only unofficial,
non-state occasion
320
00:23:12,147 --> 00:23:14,959
was the gala
that Hammer threw for them.
321
00:23:17,042 --> 00:23:21,835
On the front pages
of every newspaper,
every magazine,
322
00:23:21,835 --> 00:23:24,057
their visit was the top story.
323
00:23:27,044 --> 00:23:32,252
And in the end,
Hammer provided £40 million
324
00:23:32,252 --> 00:23:34,683
to Prince Charles' causes,
325
00:23:34,752 --> 00:23:37,808
which would add up to like,
a quarter of a billion today.
326
00:23:39,024 --> 00:23:44,336
And Charles did see Hammer
as a source
327
00:23:44,336 --> 00:23:46,524
of the funds for everything
he cared about.
328
00:23:46,524 --> 00:23:53,608
How on earth do they expect us
to get anything done
without money?
329
00:23:53,608 --> 00:23:55,586
[crowd applauding]
330
00:23:58,711 --> 00:24:00,518
-[crowd cheering]
-[band music playing]
331
00:24:03,192 --> 00:24:07,983
I will faithfully execute
the office of President
of the United States.
332
00:24:10,170 --> 00:24:15,414
[Lyndon] George Bush Sr.
did give him a pardon
for the Watergate Scandal.
333
00:24:15,484 --> 00:24:16,838
[reporter] Why did
George Bush pardon him?
334
00:24:16,838 --> 00:24:20,102
Hammer was a major contributor
to both political parties.
335
00:24:22,498 --> 00:24:25,623
Hammer told me
his private golden rule
336
00:24:25,692 --> 00:24:28,644
was the person with the gold
makes the rules.
337
00:24:32,568 --> 00:24:37,673
[Lyndon] I had reservations
about the way
he presented himself.
338
00:24:38,715 --> 00:24:41,458
But it was only really
from '88
339
00:24:42,986 --> 00:24:45,312
that my eyes were fully opened
340
00:24:46,631 --> 00:24:50,208
to the lying on which his life
was based.
341
00:24:51,424 --> 00:24:53,333
Now the situation
in the North Sea
342
00:24:53,403 --> 00:24:56,112
where an Occidental
petroleum oil rig blew up.
343
00:24:56,112 --> 00:24:57,604
[explosion]
344
00:24:57,674 --> 00:24:59,341
[Lyndon] Piper Alpha
was a platform
345
00:24:59,341 --> 00:25:01,424
owned by Occidental
in the North Sea.
346
00:25:01,424 --> 00:25:05,695
It was the cornerstone
of Occidental's wealth.
347
00:25:05,695 --> 00:25:09,862
[man on radio]
Mayday! Explosion and fire
on the Piper Alpha.
348
00:25:09,862 --> 00:25:14,064
[Lyndon] In July 1988,
there was an accident
on Piper Alpha
349
00:25:14,133 --> 00:25:19,966
that was the worst accident
on an off-shore platform
in the world ever.
350
00:25:23,717 --> 00:25:27,572
[reporter 2] The ensuing fire
was so severe,
half the platform collapsed.
351
00:25:28,926 --> 00:25:31,530
167 people died.
352
00:25:33,336 --> 00:25:38,093
Within minutes, the first
London newspapers
were on the phone calling me,
353
00:25:38,717 --> 00:25:40,177
asking if I knew anything.
354
00:25:40,177 --> 00:25:43,753
And I started to think about
355
00:25:43,822 --> 00:25:48,128
how I could serve
Armand Hammer
in these circumstances.
356
00:25:51,844 --> 00:25:55,281
I said to Hammer,
"Be the spokesman
for the corporation.
357
00:25:55,281 --> 00:25:57,782
Don't duck away.
358
00:25:57,782 --> 00:25:59,865
The worst thing
you can do is hide."
359
00:26:00,489 --> 00:26:01,705
[crowd murmuring]
360
00:26:03,546 --> 00:26:06,254
[Lyndon] There were hundreds
of journalists.
361
00:26:06,324 --> 00:26:08,823
And Hammer took the stage
362
00:26:08,823 --> 00:26:11,879
and just gave the performance
of his life.
363
00:26:11,948 --> 00:26:14,901
-Well, how do you feel
personally about it?
-I feel very sad.
364
00:26:16,741 --> 00:26:19,658
[Lyndon] He was sad,
he was brave,
365
00:26:19,658 --> 00:26:22,992
he fronted up.
He said, "The buck
stops with me,"
366
00:26:22,992 --> 00:26:25,700
which was
a complete falsehood.
367
00:26:25,700 --> 00:26:28,616
And the press
completely swallowed it.
368
00:26:28,616 --> 00:26:32,714
There was not
one skeptical question.
369
00:26:32,714 --> 00:26:38,722
Nobody said to him,
"This platform has
a deplorable safety record.
370
00:26:38,722 --> 00:26:41,847
There's already been one man
killed in the recent year.
371
00:26:41,847 --> 00:26:43,548
There was a mass evacuation."
372
00:26:43,618 --> 00:26:47,993
And he got off
exactly in the way
that he intended
373
00:26:47,993 --> 00:26:50,111
and in the way
that I had devised.
374
00:26:50,910 --> 00:26:52,090
[crowd murmuring]
375
00:26:54,694 --> 00:26:56,674
[Lyndon] We went
to the airport.
376
00:26:56,674 --> 00:27:00,181
Prince Charles
and Princess Diana came
to the airport to meet him.
377
00:27:01,014 --> 00:27:03,445
They came striding towards him
378
00:27:03,515 --> 00:27:07,682
with their faces a kind of
picture of sorrow and grief.
379
00:27:07,682 --> 00:27:10,703
Prince Charles puts
his hand out to shake
Armand Hammer's hand.
380
00:27:10,703 --> 00:27:13,306
He said, "You mustn't
blame yourself."
381
00:27:17,266 --> 00:27:21,884
He got on the plane
and Hammer called
to the guys on the plane.
382
00:27:21,953 --> 00:27:24,488
He said, "Let's have
champagne and caviar.
383
00:27:24,558 --> 00:27:25,877
We've had a great day."
384
00:27:28,967 --> 00:27:32,996
So, to enlist Prince Charles
as his supporter paid off.
385
00:27:40,913 --> 00:27:44,593
There were no direct
consequences whatsoever
386
00:27:44,662 --> 00:27:47,580
uh, in terms of punishments
for Armand Hammer
387
00:27:47,580 --> 00:27:48,864
or the board of Occidental.
388
00:27:50,184 --> 00:27:51,538
Nothing at all.
389
00:27:57,789 --> 00:28:01,539
Hammer took
no interest whatsoever
390
00:28:01,539 --> 00:28:05,810
in the survivors
or their families.
391
00:28:05,810 --> 00:28:07,894
The families of the dead.
392
00:28:10,185 --> 00:28:14,803
I go back every 10 years
for the 10th anniversary
393
00:28:15,949 --> 00:28:21,470
memorial services and
ceremonies around Piper Alpha.
394
00:28:22,374 --> 00:28:24,040
And you see there,
395
00:28:25,394 --> 00:28:26,679
um...
396
00:28:28,310 --> 00:28:31,158
...children who
didn't know their fathers.
397
00:28:31,228 --> 00:28:33,971
Grandchildren who didn't know
their grandparents.
398
00:28:37,374 --> 00:28:41,125
There was no moral defense
for what I'd done.
399
00:28:41,125 --> 00:28:44,978
After Piper Alpha,
I decided to get out
400
00:28:44,978 --> 00:28:47,375
of my degrading position
with Hammer
401
00:28:47,375 --> 00:28:49,667
as fast as I could.
402
00:28:57,376 --> 00:29:02,376
I think he was the most
Satanic man of the second half
of the 20th century
403
00:29:04,043 --> 00:29:09,911
In terms of corrupting
the political process,
404
00:29:09,911 --> 00:29:15,085
in terms of controlling
people and making them
dance his tune,
405
00:29:16,334 --> 00:29:18,349
there is no comparison.
406
00:29:19,563 --> 00:29:23,557
Armand Hammer was
the embodiment of sin
407
00:29:23,626 --> 00:29:26,961
because he was the embodiment
of ruthless ego.
408
00:29:45,816 --> 00:29:50,295
After my grandfather died,
I gave up my career,
409
00:29:50,295 --> 00:29:53,421
quit my job,
came back to Los Angeles,
410
00:29:53,421 --> 00:29:55,400
and moved in with my father.
411
00:29:56,442 --> 00:29:59,149
My father was out of control.
412
00:29:59,149 --> 00:30:02,310
He slowly
started deteriorating.
413
00:30:02,379 --> 00:30:06,685
He would come downstairs and
he was foaming at the mouth,
414
00:30:06,755 --> 00:30:11,026
which later I found out
was meth and coke
and all kinds of, just, drugs.
415
00:30:13,005 --> 00:30:16,581
He would be carrying
a loaded .357 magnum.
416
00:30:18,318 --> 00:30:21,756
He would wake me up
with a gun barrel on my temple
417
00:30:21,756 --> 00:30:23,873
and make me open my eyes
418
00:30:23,873 --> 00:30:28,317
and say, "I need to look
in your eyes to see
if you're possessed.
419
00:30:28,317 --> 00:30:30,714
Because if you're possessed,
I'm pulling the trigger."
420
00:30:34,881 --> 00:30:36,895
My father would have
sane moments
421
00:30:36,965 --> 00:30:39,672
and then just totally
volatile moments
422
00:30:39,672 --> 00:30:43,145
where he was going crazy
and he wasn't getting help.
423
00:30:47,833 --> 00:30:50,611
And this went on for months.
424
00:30:50,611 --> 00:30:53,632
I just knew that I needed
to get out of there.
425
00:30:53,632 --> 00:30:55,924
And so, I moved out.
426
00:30:55,924 --> 00:30:58,423
It was just a way
to protect myself.
427
00:30:58,423 --> 00:31:01,029
Hi, Casey. Come on in.
428
00:31:01,029 --> 00:31:03,216
Watch your step.
429
00:31:03,216 --> 00:31:06,967
[Casey] I tried to
move forward and make
a name for myself.
430
00:31:06,967 --> 00:31:09,571
-[Gloria Allred]
Welcome to my home.
-[door closes]
431
00:31:11,793 --> 00:31:15,856
[Casey] A friend of mine
was a producer
for a local news station
432
00:31:15,925 --> 00:31:18,772
and she was doing a piece
called Victim No More.
433
00:31:21,967 --> 00:31:23,773
I wanted to be an actress,
so I was like,
434
00:31:23,843 --> 00:31:25,335
"Sure, you can film me."
435
00:31:25,335 --> 00:31:27,905
[producer 2] You can scream,
Case. Whatever you want.
436
00:31:27,905 --> 00:31:28,981
[director] Action.
437
00:31:29,989 --> 00:31:31,968
Someone came up
from behind me...
438
00:31:34,190 --> 00:31:37,281
-[Casey screams]
-[man] Get out of the car!
439
00:31:37,281 --> 00:31:40,024
[Casey whimpers]
440
00:31:40,092 --> 00:31:42,698
Something visceral was
happening in my body
441
00:31:42,698 --> 00:31:46,136
and I was so afraid
that he was going to
kill me or hurt me.
442
00:31:46,136 --> 00:31:47,837
[both struggling]
443
00:31:49,608 --> 00:31:52,524
Something took over
inside of me
444
00:31:52,524 --> 00:31:54,677
and I hurt him.
445
00:31:54,677 --> 00:31:58,220
-[both crying out]
-[man exclaims] God dammit.
446
00:32:08,845 --> 00:32:11,240
[Casey] I realized
I needed help.
447
00:32:13,672 --> 00:32:16,241
So I went to a psychologist
in Beverly Hills
448
00:32:16,241 --> 00:32:19,922
and I remember
walking in to his office
449
00:32:19,992 --> 00:32:22,179
and I said, "Hi,
my name is Casey Hammer.
450
00:32:22,179 --> 00:32:23,949
My grandfather
was Armand Hammer.
451
00:32:23,949 --> 00:32:25,096
And I'm really fucked up."
452
00:32:27,284 --> 00:32:29,784
And we started...
453
00:32:31,241 --> 00:32:34,888
And then the memories
started happening
when I was in therapy.
454
00:32:36,659 --> 00:32:38,639
The floodgates opened.
455
00:32:40,826 --> 00:32:45,201
I remembered one
in particular incident where
456
00:32:45,201 --> 00:32:48,431
there was a lot of noise
and partying going on.
457
00:32:50,340 --> 00:32:52,494
My brother was there as well.
458
00:32:54,369 --> 00:32:58,570
My father started shooting
at the walls.
459
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:00,932
[gunshots]
460
00:33:00,932 --> 00:33:05,445
And then my father was like,
"Wait, I've got an idea."
461
00:33:05,514 --> 00:33:09,925
And said to me, "Casey,
hold this phone book."
462
00:33:10,654 --> 00:33:13,675
And I did it thinking,
463
00:33:13,675 --> 00:33:16,071
"They're not going to
shoot at me."
464
00:33:17,946 --> 00:33:21,071
So, the phone book was held up
to the right of my head.
465
00:33:22,912 --> 00:33:24,058
[gun clicks]
466
00:33:26,488 --> 00:33:27,390
[gunshot]
467
00:33:28,954 --> 00:33:30,447
I drop the phone book.
468
00:33:33,468 --> 00:33:36,385
I remember taking cover.
469
00:33:36,454 --> 00:33:38,781
[gunshots]
470
00:33:38,849 --> 00:33:40,552
[indistinct laughter]
471
00:33:50,448 --> 00:33:53,538
I started remembering
all the abuse.
472
00:33:54,789 --> 00:33:58,956
Being choked and suffocated.
473
00:34:02,289 --> 00:34:06,699
Then I thought, "Oh, this
can't be. Something's weird."
474
00:34:06,769 --> 00:34:09,199
I remember talking to my mom
475
00:34:09,269 --> 00:34:14,304
and started saying to her
what I was remembering
476
00:34:14,372 --> 00:34:18,124
and hoping she would tell me,
"Oh, you're just crazy."
477
00:34:18,124 --> 00:34:20,554
But it turns out,
she did know about it.
478
00:34:20,623 --> 00:34:23,644
And what I was remembering
was actually happening.
479
00:34:24,999 --> 00:34:27,950
Things happened to me that
480
00:34:28,020 --> 00:34:30,242
shouldn't ever
have happened to a child.
481
00:34:31,666 --> 00:34:34,930
[producer]
482
00:34:40,833 --> 00:34:43,993
Yes. And...
483
00:34:46,562 --> 00:34:48,334
That's all I've ever said.
484
00:34:49,931 --> 00:34:51,146
Because...
485
00:34:55,556 --> 00:34:58,369
Maybe he's the only person
I want to see when,
486
00:34:58,438 --> 00:35:00,626
I don't even think
he's in heaven,
487
00:35:00,626 --> 00:35:03,543
or on the other side
or whatever you believe, but,
488
00:35:05,036 --> 00:35:10,036
and that's how I know
that it's so deep and so...
489
00:35:11,599 --> 00:35:14,793
Like, I don't know if I'll
ever be normal because
490
00:35:16,565 --> 00:35:20,106
the fact that I still think
that he'll save me
491
00:35:20,106 --> 00:35:21,980
or be there for me.
492
00:35:23,544 --> 00:35:27,815
I found out what
my father was doing
493
00:35:27,815 --> 00:35:30,662
and I never confronted him.
494
00:35:30,732 --> 00:35:35,211
Because I didn't want to
hear him say the words.
495
00:35:35,211 --> 00:35:38,962
There's that hope that
the person's going to change
496
00:35:38,962 --> 00:35:42,191
and that they didn't
mean to hurt you.
497
00:35:43,649 --> 00:35:47,955
My father ended up
dying in '96,
498
00:35:47,955 --> 00:35:50,837
five years after
my grandfather died.
499
00:35:51,913 --> 00:35:56,150
But, [sighs]
it's still so hard.
500
00:35:56,150 --> 00:35:59,378
Because you want to
share your back story.
501
00:35:59,378 --> 00:36:01,497
You want to explain
why you're fucked up.
502
00:36:01,497 --> 00:36:02,817
Why you're broken.
503
00:36:06,567 --> 00:36:11,498
The generation I grew up in,
it was closed door.
504
00:36:13,339 --> 00:36:16,254
But, you know,
it's a different time.
505
00:36:18,582 --> 00:36:21,463
That was my sentiment
with Courtney.
506
00:36:21,463 --> 00:36:25,630
It's incredibly brave
nowadays because
507
00:36:25,630 --> 00:36:29,520
not only are you traumatized
from what he's done,
508
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:34,728
but you're probably
traumatized over
and over and over.
509
00:36:34,728 --> 00:36:36,985
But he needs to be
held accountable.
510
00:36:38,131 --> 00:36:40,770
And I hope she finds peace
511
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,445
and whatever
that means for her.
512
00:36:50,216 --> 00:36:52,229
[Vucekovich] I went to
a residential rehab.
513
00:36:52,299 --> 00:36:55,320
It was based on, kind of,
what you were struggling with.
514
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:58,376
Which, they placed me
in a trauma lodge.
515
00:36:59,591 --> 00:37:01,466
I had a specialty therapist.
516
00:37:03,028 --> 00:37:08,168
She was like,
"What's the last time you felt
really uncomfortable,
517
00:37:08,237 --> 00:37:10,320
really embarrassed,
really afraid?"
518
00:37:12,092 --> 00:37:15,529
Then I went into that night.
519
00:37:18,238 --> 00:37:22,614
I remember the music that
was playing really vividly.
520
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:31,051
I remembered the feeling
of the ropes on my wrists.
521
00:37:31,051 --> 00:37:32,718
[industrial music playing]
522
00:37:32,718 --> 00:37:35,878
It was just very surreal.
523
00:37:35,948 --> 00:37:39,489
I felt like I was, like,
back in that room.
524
00:37:39,489 --> 00:37:42,128
Back in that moment.
525
00:37:45,948 --> 00:37:50,045
I got diagnosed with
trauma and PTSD.
526
00:37:50,115 --> 00:37:52,858
My therapist said
I had to repeat,
527
00:37:52,858 --> 00:37:56,782
"I was used, abused
and abandoned."
528
00:37:56,782 --> 00:38:00,427
So, you're, like, trying to
make sense of what happened.
529
00:38:00,427 --> 00:38:03,552
And that's what she had me
repeat over and over.
530
00:38:03,552 --> 00:38:06,262
Like, "It's not your fault
you feel this way."
531
00:38:06,262 --> 00:38:08,657
It really stuck with me.
And it really made sense.
532
00:38:08,657 --> 00:38:10,325
That's truly what happened.
533
00:38:10,325 --> 00:38:15,011
I was used, abused, abandoned.
Just discarded after, just,
534
00:38:15,011 --> 00:38:17,304
having my life
turned inside out.
535
00:38:21,262 --> 00:38:24,110
[reporter 1]
Armie Hammer's ex-girlfriend,
Courtney Vucekovich...
536
00:38:24,110 --> 00:38:26,576
[reporter 2] Armie
Hammer's public accounts
are going viral.
537
00:38:26,576 --> 00:38:28,068
[reporter 3] Courtney
Vucekovich has come forward
538
00:38:28,138 --> 00:38:30,360
with claims against her ex,
Armie Hammer.
539
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:32,548
[Vucekovich]
When all this blew up,
540
00:38:32,548 --> 00:38:35,222
Paige messaged me
on Instagram.
541
00:38:35,222 --> 00:38:37,548
I just sent her my phone
number and she called me.
542
00:38:37,618 --> 00:38:40,673
The first thing she said was,
"Why didn't you tell me?"
543
00:38:40,743 --> 00:38:43,764
And then she told me
her story.
544
00:38:43,764 --> 00:38:48,243
It's like, holy shit.
It is a copy-paste.
545
00:38:49,388 --> 00:38:53,244
It was the same road trip.
The same motel.
546
00:38:53,244 --> 00:38:56,612
We wore the same
cowboy hat in our pictures.
547
00:38:56,681 --> 00:39:00,847
We both watched that movie,
the Secretary.
548
00:39:00,847 --> 00:39:04,390
I sent her the album
that he played
549
00:39:04,390 --> 00:39:08,279
when he tied me up,
traumatizing me.
550
00:39:08,349 --> 00:39:12,306
She goes, he played
the same exact album to her.
551
00:39:12,306 --> 00:39:14,842
She was like, "Does he
call you 'little thing'?"
552
00:39:14,912 --> 00:39:17,342
And I said, "Yeah,
'perfect little thing'?"
553
00:39:17,342 --> 00:39:18,592
She was like, "Yeah,
'perfect little thing.'"
554
00:39:18,662 --> 00:39:22,342
He says the same, he called us
the same nicknames.
555
00:39:23,488 --> 00:39:25,849
She meet his mom.
She went home with him.
556
00:39:25,849 --> 00:39:29,079
I mean, who just introduces
everyone to their mom?
557
00:39:29,079 --> 00:39:30,260
They had known
each other a month.
558
00:39:30,329 --> 00:39:32,517
I had meet her weeks prior.
559
00:39:32,517 --> 00:39:35,330
We had the same relationship.
560
00:39:35,330 --> 00:39:39,601
And we'd almost guarantee
there was another one
that same day
561
00:39:39,601 --> 00:39:41,198
that he was going to
do it again to.
562
00:39:41,198 --> 00:39:44,600
And he was going to
continue this cycle,
563
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:47,517
this destructive cycle,
564
00:39:47,517 --> 00:39:49,427
until he couldn't anymore.
565
00:39:54,913 --> 00:39:58,074
To Armie Hammer,
and some good news for him,
566
00:39:58,142 --> 00:40:00,991
involving one of, uh,
the allegations against him,
567
00:40:00,991 --> 00:40:07,936
an allegation of rape,
is looking like that is not
going to result in charges.
568
00:40:07,936 --> 00:40:11,269
[Morrison] It's a huge
slap in the face to see
something like this.
569
00:40:11,269 --> 00:40:14,186
I am in shock,
but I'm not surprised.
570
00:40:15,262 --> 00:40:21,304
I can assure you that
when TMZ made that report,
571
00:40:21,374 --> 00:40:24,916
the case had not yet been sent
to the district attorney,
572
00:40:24,916 --> 00:40:27,520
let alone dropped.
573
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:32,311
TMZ never even checked with me
before they ran that story.
574
00:40:49,014 --> 00:40:51,827
It's a common PR tactic,
quite frankly.
575
00:40:55,751 --> 00:40:59,085
It's like, "Okay, I'm going to
own up to having a problem,
576
00:40:59,085 --> 00:41:00,960
so I'm going to
try to rectify it."
577
00:41:12,731 --> 00:41:16,099
It seems Armie Hammer has
quietly hired a new PR person.
Hear me out.
578
00:41:16,168 --> 00:41:20,857
So, this was front page
on the Daily Mail
this morning on Snapchat.
579
00:41:20,857 --> 00:41:22,975
That his new girl,
Lisa Perejma,
580
00:41:23,044 --> 00:41:24,954
has turned Armie Hammer's
life around.
581
00:41:25,024 --> 00:41:27,350
The article says,
"Armie's happier and healthier
582
00:41:27,420 --> 00:41:28,982
than I've ever seen him
in a long time."
583
00:41:30,336 --> 00:41:32,940
[Bacardi] I think rehab
was his stepping stone,
584
00:41:32,940 --> 00:41:34,746
trying to rebrand his image.
585
00:41:43,913 --> 00:41:46,934
Of course, in the same week
that Death on the Nile
is coming out,
586
00:41:47,004 --> 00:41:49,192
an article saying
that Armie's really done
587
00:41:49,192 --> 00:41:53,046
so much work in rehab came out
right before the movie.
588
00:42:22,631 --> 00:42:25,131
"Cancel culture"
is on people's tongues
589
00:42:25,131 --> 00:42:27,353
way more than "rape culture."
590
00:42:27,423 --> 00:42:30,235
And rape culture
is a much bigger issue.
591
00:42:30,235 --> 00:42:33,882
And cancel culture wouldn't
exist if rape culture
wasn't such a big issue.
592
00:42:51,279 --> 00:42:55,272
[Ryan Bailey] I think
at the end of the day,
PR will win in this situation.
593
00:42:55,341 --> 00:42:57,633
Obviously, Hollywood
is built on money.
594
00:42:57,633 --> 00:43:00,967
And, obviously, Armie
comes from a family
that was built on money.
595
00:43:00,967 --> 00:43:05,134
So, if Armie can find a way
to make somebody money,
596
00:43:06,418 --> 00:43:09,301
then why couldn't he
possibly work?
597
00:43:09,301 --> 00:43:12,946
[Bacardi] I think that
we all expect that he's
not going to get in trouble.
598
00:43:12,946 --> 00:43:17,634
We all know there's no justice
when it comes to people
with this much power.
599
00:43:17,634 --> 00:43:19,405
[Armie] I'm sure
there are people,
probably a lot of people,
600
00:43:19,405 --> 00:43:21,385
especially in this town,
who look at who I am
601
00:43:21,385 --> 00:43:23,607
or, you know, sort of,
my family and all that
602
00:43:23,676 --> 00:43:25,446
and say, "Well that's
why he got the part."
603
00:43:25,446 --> 00:43:27,391
[Candice Cronkhite]
Generation to generation,
604
00:43:27,391 --> 00:43:30,899
they have had a history of
just doing whatever they want
and getting away with it
605
00:43:30,968 --> 00:43:34,927
because of the power
and the money that they have.
606
00:43:34,927 --> 00:43:38,261
And that's
pretty intimidating.
607
00:43:38,261 --> 00:43:40,968
Every generation,
every period of humanity
608
00:43:40,968 --> 00:43:42,983
has always dealt
with the same shit.
609
00:43:42,983 --> 00:43:44,754
And we will always
deal with the same shit,
610
00:43:44,823 --> 00:43:46,420
we just wear different clothes
when we do it.
611
00:43:52,531 --> 00:43:55,762
[Morrison] I'm really grateful
Armie and I didn't meet up.
612
00:43:55,762 --> 00:43:58,366
By the time
that we got to January
613
00:43:58,366 --> 00:44:01,595
and I had seen that he
had been doing this for years,
614
00:44:01,595 --> 00:44:04,616
that's when I realized how
close to danger I really was.
615
00:44:06,283 --> 00:44:10,136
A lot of the press
was just all about
all of the roles he had lost
616
00:44:10,136 --> 00:44:12,533
and that was
very frustrating to me.
617
00:44:12,533 --> 00:44:18,680
My intention was to
bring back to the conversation
618
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:23,367
the abuses that
this person has inflicted.
619
00:44:25,589 --> 00:44:29,618
I felt like art was the way
for me to speak to this issue.
620
00:44:35,242 --> 00:44:39,236
So I decided to make
art pieces from my
conversations with Armie.
621
00:44:40,035 --> 00:44:41,492
Going back into these messages
622
00:44:41,492 --> 00:44:43,160
was really something
I had avoided.
623
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:47,153
Um, but when I did, I did it
from a place of power.
624
00:44:47,223 --> 00:44:50,174
The first two pieces that
I made painted a good picture
625
00:44:50,244 --> 00:44:54,029
about the intersection
between wealth, predation
and the abuse of power.
626
00:44:54,931 --> 00:44:57,258
Here I posted this meme
627
00:44:57,328 --> 00:44:59,654
which is about
the greatest wealth transfer
628
00:44:59,724 --> 00:45:01,599
that we've seen
in the history of humankind.
629
00:45:01,599 --> 00:45:06,599
It says, "Trying to enjoy
the weekend without fear
of impending doom."
630
00:45:06,599 --> 00:45:09,029
This was in August of 2020,
631
00:45:09,099 --> 00:45:11,808
so this is still during
the height of the pandemic.
632
00:45:11,808 --> 00:45:15,558
I said, "Eat the rich for real
nom nom nom."
633
00:45:17,051 --> 00:45:20,142
And then Armie
reacted to my story.
634
00:45:20,142 --> 00:45:22,989
Slid right in, "100 percent."
635
00:45:23,057 --> 00:45:25,072
Which is ironic
because he comes from
636
00:45:25,141 --> 00:45:28,059
one of the wealthiest
families on the plant.
637
00:45:28,059 --> 00:45:32,851
He said, "Dibs on the glute
muscles and ribs for smoking."
638
00:45:32,851 --> 00:45:35,698
In light of everything
that's come out since,
639
00:45:37,989 --> 00:45:39,621
I don't find that funny.
640
00:45:40,351 --> 00:45:43,615
And him mirroring
my frustrations,
641
00:45:43,685 --> 00:45:46,393
is a way from him to say
that he's just like me.
642
00:45:46,393 --> 00:45:48,163
It's a way to gain my trust.
643
00:45:48,163 --> 00:45:50,872
And it's a way for me
to let my guard down.
644
00:45:52,435 --> 00:45:54,657
I'm quite vocal
on my Instagram
645
00:45:54,727 --> 00:45:58,060
about my background of having
grown up in foster care.
646
00:46:01,081 --> 00:46:03,685
I wouldn't be surprised if he
read those things and thought,
647
00:46:03,685 --> 00:46:06,186
"Oh, okay, she's vulnerable."
648
00:46:06,186 --> 00:46:08,893
We spoke about
my past history of abuse
649
00:46:08,893 --> 00:46:12,887
and he, um, very openly
confided about, you know,
650
00:46:12,956 --> 00:46:16,012
almost getting into
a fistfight with his father
in the Islands.
651
00:46:17,888 --> 00:46:21,013
And his father, like,
drinking and taking, like,
652
00:46:21,083 --> 00:46:23,166
Vicodin at the same time.
653
00:46:23,166 --> 00:46:24,659
He painted
a pretty chaotic picture.
654
00:46:27,020 --> 00:46:30,562
But it wasn't coming from
a place of good intention.
655
00:46:30,562 --> 00:46:33,514
It was coming from
a place to manipulate
656
00:46:33,583 --> 00:46:37,334
and figure out what tools
that then he could use
657
00:46:37,334 --> 00:46:39,347
to keep you under control
658
00:46:39,417 --> 00:46:41,639
or use them against you
in the future.
659
00:46:44,243 --> 00:46:47,959
When I came forward about
my experiences with him,
660
00:46:47,959 --> 00:46:49,452
there was a lot of
online harassment.
661
00:46:50,980 --> 00:46:55,251
If you're just, like, some
troll, like, in a dark room,
662
00:46:55,251 --> 00:46:57,750
just, like, spewing hate
towards other people who are
663
00:46:57,750 --> 00:46:59,765
actually doing shit
with their lives, like,
664
00:46:59,765 --> 00:47:02,856
you know, I'm not going to let
someone like that get to me.
665
00:47:05,981 --> 00:47:08,620
[Skae] I went into this
not understanding the fandom
666
00:47:08,690 --> 00:47:10,391
that was Call Me By Your Name.
667
00:47:12,023 --> 00:47:16,398
But, the charmies
are essentially superfans
of Armie Hammer.
668
00:47:18,065 --> 00:47:19,940
The woman that have
come forward,
669
00:47:19,940 --> 00:47:22,440
uh, they target
in a very big way.
670
00:47:25,808 --> 00:47:27,267
Shame on them.
671
00:47:27,336 --> 00:47:30,148
If any of them would like
to show their faces,
672
00:47:30,148 --> 00:47:31,990
I would love to know
who you are.
673
00:47:33,517 --> 00:47:37,371
[Vucekovich] One of
the hardest times of my life
was that news coming out.
674
00:47:39,524 --> 00:47:42,788
I started getting harassed
by his, like, die-hard fans.
675
00:47:48,830 --> 00:47:51,505
I mean, they really
hit you where it hurts.
676
00:47:52,997 --> 00:47:57,026
I mean, they have endless
chat rooms about, like,
what to do to me.
677
00:47:57,026 --> 00:47:59,734
They would text
my personal cell phone number.
678
00:47:59,734 --> 00:48:03,588
They would send me
pictures of my high-rise
679
00:48:03,588 --> 00:48:05,394
apartment building
that I lived in.
680
00:48:05,394 --> 00:48:07,130
They would send me
death threats.
681
00:48:08,485 --> 00:48:10,360
I moved out of my apartment.
682
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:14,144
I bought a house
and I put cameras all over.
683
00:48:15,394 --> 00:48:18,832
The charmies
made my life hell.
684
00:48:20,082 --> 00:48:21,819
They want me to break so bad.
685
00:48:29,458 --> 00:48:31,194
Fear is the weapon
686
00:48:32,270 --> 00:48:38,312
that keeps victims
emotionally paralyzed.
687
00:48:38,382 --> 00:48:40,466
It's very hard.
688
00:48:41,612 --> 00:48:46,508
Because once the victim enters
that dangerous world
689
00:48:46,508 --> 00:48:48,105
of the court
of public opinion,
690
00:48:49,424 --> 00:48:53,279
there is generally going to be
some backlash.
691
00:48:53,279 --> 00:48:57,549
But, they didn't expect how
ugly it could be out there.
692
00:49:05,606 --> 00:49:07,481
-[Vucekovich]
Nice to meet you.
-[Casey] Nice to meet you.
693
00:49:07,551 --> 00:49:09,426
-[Vucekovich] Can I
give you a hug?
-Yes. Absolutely.
694
00:49:09,426 --> 00:49:11,405
-[Vucekovich] How are you?
-I'm good. How are you?
695
00:49:11,405 --> 00:49:12,551
[Vucekovich] I'm okay.
696
00:49:18,106 --> 00:49:20,086
How are you
handling everything?
697
00:49:21,336 --> 00:49:24,948
Um, it comes in waves,
you know.
698
00:49:24,948 --> 00:49:29,635
I think I can say now that
I'm out of it, looking back.
699
00:49:29,635 --> 00:49:32,448
-[Casey] Mmm-hmm.
-I'm a lot stronger
than I was.
700
00:49:32,448 --> 00:49:36,545
And I've learned a lot
from what I experienced.
701
00:49:36,615 --> 00:49:41,233
And I've learned a lot about
how to avoid people like that.
702
00:49:41,302 --> 00:49:43,907
It's one of those things
where it just continues
703
00:49:43,907 --> 00:49:45,573
until someone
breaks the cycle.
704
00:49:45,573 --> 00:49:50,366
And it's so important
for someone like you
705
00:49:50,366 --> 00:49:54,011
who's very intelligent,
very successful,
706
00:49:54,011 --> 00:49:57,275
to let people know
it can happen to anybody.
707
00:49:57,345 --> 00:49:58,734
It's so common.
708
00:49:58,734 --> 00:50:02,658
The way we grew up,
it was very secretive
in a sense, right?
709
00:50:02,658 --> 00:50:05,992
And now, for me,
with social media, like,
710
00:50:05,992 --> 00:50:09,950
I can't even imagine when
I see someone like you,
711
00:50:09,950 --> 00:50:11,860
up against this dynasty
712
00:50:14,637 --> 00:50:19,534
that have gotten away
with this for so long.
713
00:50:22,485 --> 00:50:26,756
Before the internet, it was
difficult for women
714
00:50:26,826 --> 00:50:29,951
who were used
and abused to speak out.
715
00:50:29,951 --> 00:50:33,528
They felt silenced. And,
in fact, they were silenced.
716
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:37,659
Now, with the internet,
many women
717
00:50:37,659 --> 00:50:42,972
refuse to suffer in silence
and speak out
718
00:50:42,972 --> 00:50:47,244
against those who have used,
abused and manipulated them.
719
00:50:48,494 --> 00:50:51,341
I hope that speaking out
about the abuse I endured
720
00:50:51,411 --> 00:50:52,904
at the hands of Armie Hammer
721
00:50:52,974 --> 00:50:55,368
is that he will be
held accountable.
722
00:50:55,368 --> 00:50:58,182
[Allred] They want
their voices to be heard.
723
00:50:58,182 --> 00:51:01,758
For many of them,
they want to warn other women.
724
00:51:01,828 --> 00:51:04,884
They have the feeling
that they can't undo
725
00:51:04,953 --> 00:51:06,932
the wrong that was
done to them,
726
00:51:06,932 --> 00:51:10,717
but maybe they can protect
someone else's daughter.
727
00:51:10,787 --> 00:51:13,738
That's why they speak out.
728
00:51:13,808 --> 00:51:17,558
[Vucekovich] While I say
that these charmies
were being horrible,
729
00:51:18,634 --> 00:51:22,246
I had thousands of people
message me.
730
00:51:22,246 --> 00:51:23,495
Like, women that were like,
731
00:51:23,495 --> 00:51:26,239
"I've had this exact
same thing happen."
732
00:51:27,976 --> 00:51:29,226
I mean,
everybody was relating.
733
00:51:29,226 --> 00:51:33,323
It gives me chills because
I got the saddest, most real,
734
00:51:33,393 --> 00:51:36,100
vulnerable messages
of everyone being like,
735
00:51:36,100 --> 00:51:39,121
"I realize it's toxic.
I'm getting out."
736
00:51:39,121 --> 00:51:43,288
I was willing to open up
about it to help people
737
00:51:43,288 --> 00:51:45,685
avoid a situation like this.
738
00:51:45,685 --> 00:51:50,164
There was a thousand messages
that were, like,
739
00:51:50,164 --> 00:51:51,935
"Okay, well, something good
came out of this."
740
00:51:55,165 --> 00:51:57,699
You want people
to be able to recognize
these abusive patterns.
741
00:51:57,768 --> 00:52:01,623
I feel like, then it changes.
Like, you feel good doing it
742
00:52:01,623 --> 00:52:03,012
because you're doing it
for the right reasons
743
00:52:03,012 --> 00:52:05,512
and not because
you're bitter or you're sad.
744
00:52:05,582 --> 00:52:06,554
Absolutely.
745
00:52:08,603 --> 00:52:11,103
So much of what
Courtney echoes
746
00:52:12,352 --> 00:52:15,062
is what I still continue
to struggle with.
747
00:52:15,895 --> 00:52:17,665
And mine was a long time ago.
748
00:52:19,644 --> 00:52:23,395
I was sent a letter
recently by my brother.
749
00:52:23,395 --> 00:52:25,097
And it says, "Dear Casey,
750
00:52:25,166 --> 00:52:28,534
although we haven't spoken
in many years,
751
00:52:28,604 --> 00:52:32,458
I heard the untrue
and hurtful things
752
00:52:32,458 --> 00:52:35,688
you've recently said
about our family.
753
00:52:35,688 --> 00:52:38,604
I can no longer remain quiet
754
00:52:38,604 --> 00:52:42,355
and allow you
to feed your thirst
755
00:52:43,292 --> 00:52:47,355
for notoriety at
the expense of our family
756
00:52:47,355 --> 00:52:50,411
and the Armand
Hammer Foundation.
757
00:52:51,556 --> 00:52:54,751
If you chose
to continue pretending
758
00:52:54,751 --> 00:52:58,640
that the stories you have
invented are the truth,
759
00:52:58,710 --> 00:53:03,189
I will have no choice
other than to pursue
760
00:53:03,189 --> 00:53:07,564
every legal remedy
to set the record straight.
761
00:53:08,745 --> 00:53:13,537
Despite all the pain your
fabrications have caused,
762
00:53:13,607 --> 00:53:17,912
you share the blood
running through my veins.
763
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:21,350
You are still my family
764
00:53:21,420 --> 00:53:24,231
and I wish you
nothing but the best.
765
00:53:24,231 --> 00:53:26,871
Very truly yours, Michael."
766
00:53:31,108 --> 00:53:34,267
My brother thinks
he can silence me.
767
00:53:36,247 --> 00:53:39,337
The way my brother
is intimidating me right now
768
00:53:39,337 --> 00:53:41,107
through that letter
and those words,
769
00:53:41,107 --> 00:53:43,296
it's exactly what
my grandfather would do.
770
00:53:45,101 --> 00:53:47,880
I've let the Hammers
control me
771
00:53:49,233 --> 00:53:51,143
so much my whole life.
772
00:53:53,331 --> 00:53:55,414
It's time to stop.
773
00:53:56,422 --> 00:53:58,019
I refuse to be silenced.
63503
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