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Every great century that produces
art is, so far, an artificial century,
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and the work that seems the most
natural and simple of its time
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is always the result
of the most self-conscious effort.
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RHYS MEYERS: Imagine that
liberation of mind for the first time.
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For the first time,
how those kids just went mad.
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"Wow, we can have sex and drugs and..."
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(EXCLAIMS)
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"We can be anything we want to be.
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"We can wear make-up,
and we can wear anything we want to
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"and people think we're cool."
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It was like a fantasy world, I suppose.
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NARRATOR: For once,
there was an unknown land
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full of strange flowers
and subtle perfumes.
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A land of which it is
joy of all joys to dream.
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A land where all things are perfect
and poisonous.
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# Well, you' re the grand one
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# Have you noticed?
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# When you walk in
all the fairy boys are very nervous
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# Well, my starship doesn't want me
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# And neither does his world #
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Political sensibilities
were being activated.
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There was gay rights,
there was feminism,
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there was a lot of stuff
that was ignored, I think, in the '60s.
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I mean, the '60s had a real misogynist,
homophobic aspect to them.
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It was a very brief moment where
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suddenly that kind of gender bending
was not only acceptable,
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it was encouraged,
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and almost necessary to be successful.
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I mean, even bands like The Kinks and
the Stones were wearing feather boas.
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That is me! That's me, that! That's me!
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I mean, everybody knows
most people are bisexual.
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JERRY: Any more questions?
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Yeah, woman with the beret.
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I was under the impression
that you were married...
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I was born in ' 71,
so I kind of missed it.
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I was running around the countryside
in Scotland when this was all going on.
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# See that cat
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# Yeah, I do mean you #
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McGREGOR: I love all that stuff.
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I love the idea of anything going and
of bisexuality being hip.
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But at the same time, I think
there was a lot of hypocrisy in it.
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People saying that they were gay
and bisexual who weren 't.
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And, you know, it was just
a hip scene to be in.
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The people that were leading it
were leading it truthfully,
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and, "We are gay and we are bisexual,"
and they were the cool people.
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# See that cat #
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McGREGOR: One of the first times
you see me in the movie,
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I think, where I'm playing this concert,
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and the audience is mainly hippies,
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and they're not into
what we're doing at all.
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I' m d oing my stuff and
they don't like it, and then,
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I egg them on and
they like that even less.
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# She got TV eye #
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I have to dive into the crowd,
and they hold me up and I...
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I do a bit of stuff, and they set fire
to me and all that kind of stuff.
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It's kind of action-glam.
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You know, Schwarzenegger
meets T-Rex, maybe.
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Yeah, I love this stuff.
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I like the performance
'cause I want to be a rock star really.
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So he, you know, performed,
sang the songs live,
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and then did these unbelievably
strenuous, outrageous performances
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that of course worked through
a great deal from
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things we've all seen and read
about Iggy Pop.
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With a little bit of Lou Reed
thrown in there as well.
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But he just blew us all away.
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(HOWLING)
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STIPE: Well, I was 12.
I didn't really understand it.
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My grandmother told me...
She saw a picture of Alice Cooper,
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who was kind of an American equivalent
to British glam rock,
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on the cover of a magazine
when I was 1 1 or 1 2 years old and said,
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"He's gonna burn in hell."
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And of course I was intrigued
immediately by this person.
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I wanted to know about him.
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I think when punk rock was ushered in,
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it was a little bit more of
a sexless musical revolution.
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Of course, it was
incredibly sexy in its own way.
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I think, politically, things just
changed dramatically in the mid '70s.
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This is a period of time
that had great style
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and great humour about itself,
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and was able, in British words,
to take the piss out of itself.
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At the same time, saying something and
having a good time while saying it.
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I think that's what
a lot of that is about.
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# It's a crime, you're mistaken
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# Momentary seizure of love #
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REPORTER: So you're saying
you're bisexual?
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Yeah, I like boys, I like girls.
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They're all great.
No difference, is there,
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Mr BBC?
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I am not really myself
except in the midst of elegant crowds,
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at the heart of rich districts,
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or amid the sumptuous ornamentation
of palace hotels,
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an army of servants
and plush carpet underfoot.
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And it's really, truly
a bisexual love story
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in that it also very,
sort of, romantically describes
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the marriage between
Brian Slade and Mandy Slade initially,
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and Brian sort of getting
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also completely sort of smitten with
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this character from New York
named Curt Wild.
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Love is tough
and it takes effort and work.
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And I don't think Brian Slade was
into effort and work much.
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People generally aren't good
with change, I don't think.
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And things are just
constantly changing in this.
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# I'll use you and I'll confuse you
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# And then I'll lose you
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# But still you won't suspect me #
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Their relationship is obviously very
strong, one that's based in love.
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But like a lot of love affairs,
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it's like over
as soon as it's started, you know?
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Mandy is a very, very complex character.
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She had to be his door kicker.
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She also had to watch him
do whatever he wants to do.
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They both wanted to, kind of,
be out there.
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And he came first,
and she never got her chance.
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Her window never opened.
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And I don't think
she ever forgave him for that.
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Who would you most fancy meeting
in America?
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Curt Wild.
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(SATELLITE OF LOVEBY LOU REED PLAYING)
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Curt was in love with Brian and
Brian was in love with Curt.
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And it just couldn't mix.
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Two very, very selfish people.
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And massive egos, yeah.
His is bigger than mine though.
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In terms of character, you know.
I think.
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It's a love story
in a lot of different ways.
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And then it's the story of this kid
named Arthur from Manchester,
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who I think maybe we can all
identify with the most in the film.
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Well, he's sort of the narrator,
in a way.
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I mean, he got kicked out of his own
house because of his glam-attraction,
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and everything that went with that.
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It's the only period of his life
that he can look back on
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and really sort of see
as a happy moment.
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It was set in the 1 970s. It could be
any era, because it's people.
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The movie's just about people
and how about...
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Basically, how being true to yourself
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was the greatest mask
you could possibly put on.
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Because nobody can conceivably believe,
at that point in time,
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that you could be anything that
you wanted to be.
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England's such a tight,
classist society.
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And these people were just like,
"Yeah! Free for all!"
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Suddenly there was
this fresh, vibrant, new outlook,
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which basically accepted everything.
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It was like, be who you want to be
and love it.
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So these people had complete freedom.
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And they created so many
different personas for themselves.
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I wanted to bury the past in the film.
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And so there would always be
this nostalgia
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and the sense of something dangerous
and exciting that was closed up,
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that Arthur as a character
has to sort of dig out.
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So from the beginning of the movie,
there's this enormous sense of loss
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and of longing for a past that
we've forgotten or that we've buried.
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And, yeah, I'm playing it up.
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You don't see many great painters
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or many great filmmakers
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who just make funny happy films.
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Or funny happy songs or
funny happy paintings. They don't.
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All the best ones
delve into the world of tragedy
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because out of tragedy is beauty.
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I remember going to the movies when
I was a kid and feeling that thrill
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about going on
some unknown trip somewhere.
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I would love Velvet Goldmine
to have that feeling about it.
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Nothing is ever as simple as
it might seem in his movies,
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and that's definitely the case
with Velvet Goldmine.
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If you are creating a myth,
initially, artificially,
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the best way to really pull it off
is to become the myth.
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Because the secret of becoming a star
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is knowing how to behave like one.
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Action!
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(VIRGINIA PLAINBY ROXY MUSIC PLAYING)
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What's true about music
is true about life,
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that beauty reveals everything
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because it expresses nothing.
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I'm only 24. I was born in '72, my God.
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But I certainly did... I got so into
the music, making the movie. I still am.
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Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls,
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and whomever else who may be
in the house this evening,
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I give you Brian Slade!
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# Oh, I was moved by your screen dream
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# Celluloid pictures living
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# Your death could not kill
my love for you #
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I guess the sound and
the content shared a great deal,
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which was extremely ornate and melodic,
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and very produced,
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but not in a slick way
as much as embellished.
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The music was dressed up.
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It drew from the hard, sort of,
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threatening, anti-hippy sounds of
the Velvet Underground
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and The Stooges,
and that kind of violence.
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The violence of the music
certainly was there.
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The sexual violence that
comes from those groups
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was definitely a part of it.
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But it wouldn't have happened without
the music hall, vaudevillian tradition,
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that seems to me so completely British,
mixing in with that.
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# I came down like water
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# For the age of solar #
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I didn't know the music,
it wasn't what I was brought up with.
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So I had to basically backtrack.
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And I think now that
maybe it was better,
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because people actually used musical
instruments instead of computers.
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# We'll take the whole shebang #
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Glitter. Even the music
had glitter on it.
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Today there's no glitter,
it's all dense bass.
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It had glitter, it had make-up.
Music had make-up.
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Some of the stuff
they were doing back then
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was so radical and
so creative. Really...
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Not just musically,
but in terms of production,
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in terms of what they were doing
in the studio.
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Slamming together and
trying different ideas,
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and some of it was abject failure,
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but a lot of it was really inspired.
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# Friends say it's fine
Friends say it's good
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# Everybody says
it's just like Robin Hood #
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And the mixture of those elements.
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The theatricality mixed in
with the raunchy,
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very frank sexuality of it all
is apparent in the music itself.
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You don't even have to
listen to the words
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or understand them, I think,
to feel that in the music.
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# And it's plain to see
You were meant for me, yeah
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# I'm your toy
Your 20th century boy #
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It's swinging. It's rock.
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It's got beautiful
romantic sweeps in it.
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It carries you along.
It's a soundtrack to a dream.
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# Baby's on fire
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# Better throw her in the water
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# Look at her laughing
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# Like a heifer to the slaughter
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# Baby's on fire
227
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# And all the laughing boys are bitching
228
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# Waiting for photos
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# Oh, the plot is so bewitching #
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I think its aggressive artificiality,
231
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and sort of celebration of artifice and
rejection of the natural in every way,
232
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frightened people off.
233
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And that it's much easier
to sort of revitalise
234
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and kind of reinvent moments
in pop culture
235
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that seem to be about something
raw and truthful and earnest.
236
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Like punk or like, you know, grunge
or like some of '60s music,
237
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than it is to... I think there's
something more prickly and more complex.
238
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Why the make-up?
239
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Why? Because rock and roll's
a prostitute.
240
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It should be tarted up, performed.
241
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The music is the mask,
while I, in my chiffon and taff...
242
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It was high performance
243
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in a way that I think...
You only see certain periods
244
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that pushed it to that extreme
in rock and in popular music.
245
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The first duty in life
is to assume a pose.
246
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What the second duty is,
no one has yet found out.
247
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(NEEDLE IN THE CAMEL 'S EYE
BY BRIAN ENO PLAYING)
248
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It was colourful,
beautiful loud colours,
249
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flamboyant, flares,
lots of material being used.
250
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Playful. People with boas,
the glamour, the glitter.
251
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Innocent, just like a child dressing up.
You know, fantasy, escape.
252
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The look of it, I mean,
everything is recycled.
253
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I mean, people today are, like,
so into the '70s.
254
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And then there are older folk
kind of looking at it and going,
255
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"I was there. You're a fool.
Give it up."
256
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I can make you a star.
257
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I was like a really young teenager
in the sort of early '70s.
258
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And all the stuff I've been able
to produce on this,
259
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is stuff that I wanted to wear then
but couldn't 'cause I was too young.
260
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I kind of did the best I could
and made my own versions,
261
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but I really aspired to be able to wear
all these fantastic things
262
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that I could see other people wearing.
263
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So it's really exciting for me now
to be able to do it.
264
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It was about going out on the street
and pushing it as far as you can.
265
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Almost in a way pushing it
in people's faces a bit
266
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and saying, "I don't care.
and you can just get out of my face
267
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"if you don't like it."
And so on and so forth.
268
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REPORTER: It appears today's youngsters
have fashioned a whole new bent
269
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on the so-called sexual liberation
of the flower power set.
270
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The long hair and love beads have given
way to glitter make-up, platform shoes
271
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and a whole new taste for glamour,
nostalgia and just plain outrageousness.
272
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REPORTER: Is London not shocked?
273
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-London is improving.
-Well, I think it's a disgrace,
274
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parading around all ponced up
like a pack of bleeding woofters.
275
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Bloody hell, what'll they think up next?
276
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It was wanting to really
push and provoke.
277
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And everything was for a reaction.
278
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Tell us, Brian, are the rumours true
when they say you and Curt Wild
279
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have some sort of plans up your sleeve?
280
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Oh, yes. Quite soon, we actually
plan to take over the world.
281
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(ALL LAUGHING)
282
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Everyone says that if you lived
through the '60s, you don't remember.
283
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And it's perfectly true, I'm afraid.
284
00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:00,872
I realised
I actually remembered very little.
285
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And the '60s and '70s
got very mulched together.
286
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So it was quite difficult
to differentiate
287
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the different periods and
make sense of them.
288
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Outrageous, bizarre, freaky,
well, obviously glamorous.
289
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Because a lot of it was inspired
by the ' 30s, Hollywood ' 30s, 1 930s.
290
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Cheers.
291
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Extraordinary.
292
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I think the costumes in the period
automatically tell the audience,
293
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"This is who I am.
294
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"I am Brian Slade. I wear these clothes
and I live in this country.
295
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"And I'm alive at this time."
296
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So immediately
you are sold to the audience.
297
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MEN: Brian, Brian!
298
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Maxwell Demon is the story
of a space creature
299
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who becomes a rock and roll messiah
300
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only to be destroyed by his own success.
301
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Are you saying this is your destiny?
Are you Maxwell Demon?
302
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Man is least himself
when he talks in his own person.
303
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Give him a mask
and he'll tell you the truth.
304
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I mean, I'm lucky because
the stuff I'm doing is, kind of, rock.
305
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# Come on, little stranger
Die a little later
306
00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:06,078
# Swear you're gonna feel my hand
307
00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:09,872
# Swear you're gonna feel my hand
308
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# Swear you're gonna feel my hand #
309
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And I'm the leather-clad, kind of...
I'm the butchest person in it, you know?
310
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And...
311
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So I've got off lightly, but some of it
just drives me up the wall.
312
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I can't stand it.
313
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It was a joke at the time.
314
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I think people looked ridiculous,
but it's really fun.
315
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KING: The whole '70s thing
was about image.
316
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Everyone sort of discovered that
the image was very, very important.
317
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I mean, they had it before
with teddy boys and stuff.
318
00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:44,356
But then thi s really came to the fore
with the Marc Bolans and David Bowies.
319
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And God knows who else.
320
00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:47,679
The New York Dolls,
and all the rest of them.
321
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And all trying to create
their own image.
322
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(HOT ONEPLAYING)
323
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You know, you look back on parts of
being a teenager,
324
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and a lot of it is very embarrassing,
325
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the sort of clothes that
you started wearing and all of that.
326
00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:13,191
And obviously this is not an exception
at all. I mean, look at us all.
327
00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:19,592
But, I mean, what it represented to me
is not sad at all and,
328
00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:21,477
you know,
it was a very important part of my life
329
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and something that I dearly love.
330
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I could remember quite a bit,
331
00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:27,799
but the sort of stuff
I could remember was the stuff
332
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that myself and my contemporaries
were wearing,
333
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so we kind of used that for
the glitter kids.
334
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The young fans, the sort of, like,
1 3 to 1 6-year-olds.
335
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The greatest challenge was really
just making it be believable.
336
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Even though you're dealing
with something
337
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that's quite sort of extraordinary,
338
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you had to make sure it felt real.
339
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So that's when, for instance,
dealing with the audience
340
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and the fans and the kids,
341
00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:55,719
trying to make it look like
they've done it themselves.
342
00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:03,956
As you say, it's all to do with shadows
and illusions.
343
00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:08,189
What's behind the illusion, and is there
anything behind the illusion at all?
344
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# Hail to the monkey
345
00:20:11,120 --> 00:20:14,669
# We're having a funky reunion #
346
00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:19,910
It was a time where anything went.
347
00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:23,197
That's an incredibly powerful
and positive thing.
348
00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:25,396
And now, it's not the case any more,
you know?
349
00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:27,311
We really have jumped backwards,
I think.
350
00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:29,356
Still, we shouldn't all wear flares
351
00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:32,637
and flowery shirts,
'cause we do look ridiculous.
352
00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:35,559
I'm glad we got out of that.
353
00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:39,036
Everybody, I'd like to introduce you
354
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to our lovely new wardrobe mistress.
355
00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:45,640
Erm...
356
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-Shannon.
-Shannon.
357
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ALL: Welcome, Shannon.
358
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The aesthete gives
characteristically cynical evidence
359
00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:05,512
replete with pointed epigram
and startling paradox
360
00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:09,309
while explaining his views
on morality in art.
361
00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:12,153
I am always very interested in topics
362
00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:17,394
in my films that call notions
of identity into question,
363
00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:24,318
and call sort of natural ideas about,
you know, human kind.
364
00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:30,236
That there's sort of a prescribed,
organic way of living in our culture.
365
00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:33,153
And so,
this was a sort of celebration of
366
00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:37,677
very much the Oscar Wilde tradition
played out in pop culture.
367
00:21:38,360 --> 00:21:41,352
Is it your belief
that all dandies are homosexual?
368
00:21:42,120 --> 00:21:45,954
Hah! Nothing makes one so vain
as being told one is a sinner.
369
00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:47,951
(ALL LAUGHING)
370
00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:50,679
Velvet Goldmine,
the title of the film, comes from
371
00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:55,993
a B-side that David Bowie wrote,
a song from '72.
372
00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:59,789
I don't know if it was ever officially
released in the States or not.
373
00:21:59,880 --> 00:22:01,313
It's a wonderful song.
374
00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:02,435
This is a rock and roll movie,
375
00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:08,117
you know, it's a movie about
music stars and rock and roll stars
376
00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:10,316
and parties and the whole band thing.
377
00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:12,556
(BABY'S ON FIREPLAYING)
378
00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:35,518
So many different things, you know.
It's a really multi-layered film.
379
00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:38,034
And a lot of people, when they read
the script, they just didn't get it.
380
00:22:38,120 --> 00:22:40,759
They were just,
"Whoa, what's that about? "
381
00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:43,070
When I first read it, I loved it.
I thought it was brilliant.
382
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:47,870
I sort of likened it to a pop song
that you really love.
383
00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,520
You can't quite explain what it's about.
384
00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:53,194
And you keep... The more you listen
to it, you hear new lyrics.
385
00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:55,236
Maybe you can't quite hear
what the singer is saying,
386
00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:57,550
but you like the sound of his voice.
387
00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:01,599
And you learn new things about it,
the more you go back and delve into it.
388
00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,874
Give it here, then. Let's have a look.
389
00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:08,475
Bloody nora!
Our kid's one of them pansy rockers.
390
00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:10,676
He's a fucking puff, that one there.
391
00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:13,593
-No, he's not.
-That's naff. That's naff!
392
00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:16,148
You're disgusting. You know that?
393
00:23:18,360 --> 00:23:21,397
Well, there's the script.
It's an incredible piece of writing.
394
00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:22,833
It's completely brilliant.
395
00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:25,070
It's so fragmented and so...
396
00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:28,832
So representative of the kind of image
we have of the '70s,
397
00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:33,471
'cause it's all over the place.
It's mad and it's exciting and,
398
00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:36,438
you know, it's beyond comprehension
really, some of it.
399
00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:39,239
People talk about scenes and you go,
"Where's that? "
400
00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:41,072
Then you go back and
you read the script,
401
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:44,436
and there's a whole scene
that just never went in your mind.
402
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:46,670
GIRL: My career was on the skids, mate.
403
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:51,436
And you fished me out of the muck.
You got me back on my feet, you did.
404
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:54,193
It was nothing, chum.
I wanted to help you
405
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:56,919
make more of that far-out sound.
406
00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:00,709
I love your music, my son, and I love...
407
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:07,712
You don't have to say it, mate.
408
00:24:10,120 --> 00:24:12,270
I read the script and I thought,
I'm completely wrong for it.
409
00:24:12,360 --> 00:24:14,510
I'm so wrong, but I fucking love it.
410
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:16,830
I faxed Todd and I...
411
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:21,956
I just had to do it.
I'm so in love with it.
412
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,799
And I can't wait to see it.
I think it's brilliant.
413
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,678
When you're trying to be truthful
and speak from the heart,
414
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:32,117
but you are an institution
unto yourself,
415
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:35,715
and you're making huge amounts of money,
and there's corporations financing you,
416
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:39,076
the contradictions of that
direct statement from the heart,
417
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:42,311
by the time it gets into the hands
of the kids out there, whatever,
418
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:46,279
it's so contradicted, I think,
on so many levels,
419
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,673
that when you set out to tell the truth,
420
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:53,150
I think you always fail.
421
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:54,753
The whole film is loaded
422
00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:57,559
with contradictions about itself,
as was the era.
423
00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:00,598
I contradict myself 1 0, 1 5 times a day.
424
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:02,830
I think one thing and mean the other.
425
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:04,273
And it's...
426
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,513
I don't know, I think it's confusing.
427
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:12,756
I think everything is confusing.
I think this EPK is confusing.
428
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:15,115
I think going back
and thinking about it now
429
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,475
is even more confusing
than before I started it.
430
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:20,233
Because I'm trying to think,
"Is this part of my past?
431
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,515
"Or is it part of somebody else's?
432
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:24,556
"Was that really me doing that? "
433
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,154
Because I don't know what's going to
come up on that screen at all.
434
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:29,196
And it's going to
frighten the shit out of me.
435
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:30,793
Because I don't know, was it me?
436
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:34,634
Or was it what things affected me
at that time?
437
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:38,349
"I knew I should create a sensation,"
gasped the Rocket.
438
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:39,953
And he went out.
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