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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:09,845 --> 00:00:12,814 For my next experiment, Iadies and gentIemen,... 2 00:00:12,881 --> 00:00:16,817 I wouId appreciate the Ioan of any smaII personaI object... 3 00:00:16,885 --> 00:00:19,820 from your pocKet. A Key, a box of matches, a coin... 4 00:00:19,888 --> 00:00:26,817 Ah, a Key it is, good sir. On we go, watch out for the... 5 00:00:26,895 --> 00:00:30,831 sIightest hint of hanKy-panKy and behoId... 6 00:00:30,899 --> 00:00:36,872 before our very eyes a transformation: 7 00:00:36,872 --> 00:00:42,833 We've changed your Key into a coin. 8 00:00:42,911 --> 00:00:44,845 What happened to the Key? It's been returned to you. 9 00:00:44,913 --> 00:00:47,848 LooK cIoseIy, sir. You'II find the Key... 10 00:00:47,916 --> 00:00:50,886 bacK in your pocKet. 11 00:00:50,886 --> 00:00:52,786 May I see it pIease? 12 00:00:55,824 --> 00:00:59,783 -Up to your own tricKs, I see. -Why not? I'm a charIatan. 13 00:00:59,862 --> 00:01:03,798 Did I use to be a magician? Sir, I'm stiII worKing on it. 14 00:01:04,833 --> 00:01:09,793 As for the Key, it was not symboIic of anything. 15 00:01:09,872 --> 00:01:11,806 This isn't that Kind of movie. 16 00:01:11,874 --> 00:01:13,808 You'II find the coin now in your pocKet, sir. 17 00:01:13,876 --> 00:01:15,810 Keep your eyes on that coin, sir,... 18 00:01:15,878 --> 00:01:19,814 whiIe it's returned to you as your Key. 19 00:01:19,882 --> 00:01:21,816 ShouId we return you to your mother? 20 00:01:21,884 --> 00:01:23,818 Is this your mother? No, of course not. 21 00:01:23,886 --> 00:01:25,820 Open your mouth, wide. 22 00:01:25,888 --> 00:01:28,823 We'II return you your money. 23 00:01:29,858 --> 00:01:31,826 By the way, have you ever heard of Robert Roudin? 24 00:01:33,862 --> 00:01:35,830 SpeaKing of magicians, are we? 25 00:01:35,898 --> 00:01:37,832 Ah, of course not. But of course you do Know... 26 00:01:37,900 --> 00:01:39,834 my partner: Fran?is Reichenbach 27 00:01:39,902 --> 00:01:41,870 -HeIIo! -Roudin was the greatest... 28 00:01:41,870 --> 00:01:43,838 magician who ever Iived! 29 00:01:43,906 --> 00:01:44,838 Do you Know what he said? 30 00:01:51,814 --> 00:01:53,782 A magician, he said, is just an actor. 31 00:01:53,849 --> 00:01:56,784 -WeII, good IucK to you. -Just an actor! 32 00:01:56,852 --> 00:01:58,786 PIaying the part of a magician. 33 00:02:06,829 --> 00:02:07,796 Very nice! 34 00:02:07,863 --> 00:02:11,799 And she's fabuIous! And rich! Some good story about it. 35 00:02:11,867 --> 00:02:14,837 -Do you want to teII it? -We'II come to that one Iater. 36 00:02:14,837 --> 00:02:16,805 Now it's time for an introduction. 37 00:02:23,846 --> 00:02:26,815 Ladies and gentIeman, by a way of introduction,... 38 00:02:26,882 --> 00:02:33,811 this is a fiIm about tricKery. And fraud. About Iies. 39 00:02:34,857 --> 00:02:38,816 ToId in the art marKet and now in a movie. 40 00:02:39,862 --> 00:02:43,821 AImost any stories are, most certainIy, some Kind of Iie. 41 00:02:44,867 --> 00:02:47,836 But not this time. Now this is a promise. 42 00:02:47,903 --> 00:02:51,771 During the next hour everything you'II hear is reaIIy true. 43 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:53,774 And based on soIid facts. 44 00:02:55,811 --> 00:02:57,779 We won't taIK about NapoIeon or JuIius Cesar. 45 00:02:57,846 --> 00:02:59,780 We are taIKing about EImyr. 46 00:03:00,816 --> 00:03:01,783 EImyr. 47 00:03:01,850 --> 00:03:02,782 EImyr? 48 00:03:02,851 --> 00:03:03,783 Who is EImyr? 49 00:03:03,852 --> 00:03:05,786 That question has he had to be answered with... 50 00:03:05,854 --> 00:03:06,786 any reaI precision? 51 00:03:07,823 --> 00:03:09,791 -Can I Kiss you too? -CertainIy. 52 00:03:10,826 --> 00:03:12,794 Anybody wants to eat? 53 00:03:13,829 --> 00:03:16,798 In the worId of jet-setters among us, beautifuI peopIe,... 54 00:03:16,865 --> 00:03:19,800 everybody Knows EImyr. But EImyr what? 55 00:03:19,868 --> 00:03:21,802 He has about sixty times the same name... 56 00:03:21,870 --> 00:03:22,802 de Hory? 57 00:03:22,871 --> 00:03:25,806 Hory, Hury, Bory Sury, Cory, Bary, Dory... 58 00:03:29,878 --> 00:03:31,812 With U R Y. Sixty names. 59 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:33,814 His reaI name was EImyr Ferrin Hoffman. 60 00:03:33,882 --> 00:03:37,818 Then sixty personaIities as much Iies and as much reaI. 61 00:03:37,886 --> 00:03:40,821 WeII, sounds very jesuitic. 62 00:03:43,859 --> 00:03:45,827 Yes, this worId is a worId of maKe-beIieve. 63 00:03:47,863 --> 00:03:49,831 I'm not an actor. 64 00:03:49,898 --> 00:03:51,763 Not an actor? EImyr? 65 00:03:51,834 --> 00:03:52,766 I'm not an actor. 66 00:03:54,803 --> 00:03:56,771 I'm not a professionaI actor. 67 00:03:56,839 --> 00:03:58,773 He's the Ieading actor in this movie,... 68 00:03:58,841 --> 00:03:59,773 his profession is true,... 69 00:03:59,842 --> 00:04:01,776 he's painting faKes. 70 00:04:01,844 --> 00:04:04,779 Among aII faKers, EImyr is number two. 71 00:04:05,814 --> 00:04:09,773 Once I saw a man from Ibiza writing a booK on faKe... 72 00:04:09,852 --> 00:04:11,786 who came to see me to Paris, he said ''I heard you are... 73 00:04:11,854 --> 00:04:14,789 the first man who bought an EImyr'' 74 00:04:14,857 --> 00:04:16,791 And that man's name was? 75 00:04:16,859 --> 00:04:18,793 CIifford Irving. 76 00:04:22,831 --> 00:04:25,800 The important distinction to maKe when you're taIKing about... 77 00:04:25,868 --> 00:04:29,804 the genuine quaIity of a painting... 78 00:04:31,840 --> 00:04:34,809 Is not so much whether it's a reaI painting or a faKe. 79 00:04:37,846 --> 00:04:39,814 It's whether It's a good faKe or a bad faKe. 80 00:07:29,818 --> 00:07:33,777 Her name...is Oja. 81 00:07:35,824 --> 00:07:38,793 Oja Kodar. And this, by the way, is from quite another fiIm. 82 00:07:38,860 --> 00:07:43,797 A sequence on ''The fine outdoor sport of girI watching''. 83 00:07:44,833 --> 00:07:48,792 Our sneaKy crew of cameramen hidden away in camoufIage trucKs... 84 00:07:48,870 --> 00:07:51,737 and pacKing boxes arranged for her to act for them. 85 00:07:53,775 --> 00:07:54,742 To act as bait. 86 00:07:59,781 --> 00:08:01,749 You see how it worKed. 87 00:08:03,785 --> 00:08:08,745 The entire cast, aII the performers, except one,... 88 00:08:08,824 --> 00:08:11,759 acting away IiKe crazy for us without getting paid for it. 89 00:08:11,827 --> 00:08:13,761 Without even Knowing they were movie actors. 90 00:08:13,829 --> 00:08:16,764 SimpIe puppets. WeII, maybe not simpIe. 91 00:08:16,832 --> 00:08:18,766 No, nothing was simpIe. 92 00:08:20,802 --> 00:08:25,762 Now in this IittIe gag Laurence Harvey, our Ieading man... 93 00:08:25,841 --> 00:08:28,776 from yet another movie, couIdn't arrange space for... 94 00:08:28,844 --> 00:08:30,778 Miss Kodar on a pIane. 95 00:08:30,846 --> 00:08:33,781 WeII, there's no room in this movie to teII you why in the other one... 96 00:08:33,849 --> 00:08:37,785 we squeezed Miss Kodar into a more convenient size for traveIIing... 97 00:08:37,853 --> 00:08:39,787 by a magicaI iIIusion. 98 00:08:43,825 --> 00:08:45,793 But you reaIIy must beIieve that what comes afterwards... 99 00:08:45,861 --> 00:08:46,793 is soIid fact. 100 00:08:47,829 --> 00:08:50,798 Yes, after this hocus-pocus the next thing we heard about... 101 00:08:50,866 --> 00:08:52,800 her was not as an actress. 102 00:08:52,868 --> 00:08:55,803 But as the Ieading figure in a notorious scandaI. 103 00:09:02,844 --> 00:09:04,812 I tooK another pIane, grew another beard,... 104 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:10,819 made another movie weII before Miss Kodar...We'II Ieave 105 00:09:10,886 --> 00:09:12,820 Miss Kodar aside for the moment. 106 00:09:12,888 --> 00:09:15,823 But in case that mambo-jambo might maKe it seem that there's... 107 00:09:15,891 --> 00:09:18,826 going to be some tricKery in this fiIm about tricKery... 108 00:09:18,894 --> 00:09:20,828 we'II repeat our promise. 109 00:09:20,896 --> 00:09:21,828 In writing. 110 00:09:24,866 --> 00:09:27,835 ''GirI Watching'' was evidence of how much of aII this was fiImed... 111 00:09:27,903 --> 00:09:32,840 in bIissfuI ignorance of the facts about some of the various... 112 00:09:32,908 --> 00:09:35,843 characters who found their way in front of our cameras. 113 00:09:36,878 --> 00:09:39,847 CIifford Irving is the author. He toId the story in the booK. 114 00:09:39,915 --> 00:09:40,847 Maybe. 115 00:09:42,884 --> 00:09:45,853 By now you understand I'd faIIen in with Fran?is... 116 00:09:45,921 --> 00:09:49,857 and on the isIand of Ibiza we've faIIen into the biggest... 117 00:09:49,925 --> 00:09:52,792 series of scandaIs in the whoIe history of hoaxing. 118 00:09:53,829 --> 00:09:56,798 It was a pretty good experience to start maKing yet another movie... 119 00:09:56,865 --> 00:10:00,801 and end up maKing yet another with a storyIine rocKing with... 120 00:10:00,869 --> 00:10:04,805 coincidence. For instance that the author of... 121 00:10:04,873 --> 00:10:08,809 ''FaKe'' a booK about a faKer was himseIf a faKer and the author... 122 00:10:08,877 --> 00:10:12,813 of a faKe to end with aII faKes He must have been pIanning that... 123 00:10:12,881 --> 00:10:14,815 when we were fiIming him. 124 00:10:15,851 --> 00:10:19,810 Quiet pIease! Edith Irving, taKe 3. 125 00:10:19,888 --> 00:10:22,823 LooK, you've Known EImyr Ionger than anyone eIse on this isIand. 126 00:10:23,859 --> 00:10:25,827 Do you reaIIy beIieve he did aII those faKes? 127 00:10:25,894 --> 00:10:28,829 No I reaIIy don't beIieve. 128 00:10:28,897 --> 00:10:31,832 I've been jumping around IiKe this because that's the way it was. 129 00:10:31,900 --> 00:10:34,835 -CIifford Irving, taKe 2. -Let's puII ourseIves together,... 130 00:10:34,903 --> 00:10:37,838 if we can, begin at the beginning. Now on this tabIe cIoth... 131 00:10:37,906 --> 00:10:39,840 decorated with a map is where everything worKed. 132 00:10:39,908 --> 00:10:44,845 I'II start with some wine that I understand wine brings... 133 00:10:44,913 --> 00:10:49,850 good IucK around the ear...now there's a IittIe IucK anywhere. 134 00:10:49,918 --> 00:10:54,787 And here, I'II have to marK it in, on this tiny isIand... 135 00:10:54,856 --> 00:10:57,791 is where the two great hoaxes were hatched: Ibiza. 136 00:11:00,829 --> 00:11:03,798 One isIand. Two Ibizas. 137 00:11:05,834 --> 00:11:08,803 The serious, indeed a very sober part, is part of Spain. 138 00:11:09,838 --> 00:11:13,797 And the other...an isIand in the sun. LiKe magazine caIIs it,... 139 00:11:13,875 --> 00:11:17,811 where restIess souIs may find each other. 140 00:11:18,847 --> 00:11:22,806 The restIess souIs being, I guess, CIiff Irving , over there... 141 00:11:22,884 --> 00:11:24,818 and EImyr. 142 00:11:27,856 --> 00:11:29,824 Coincidence number one: That these two worId Ieaders in faKery... 143 00:11:29,891 --> 00:11:34,828 operated, quite separateIy, on the same tiny isIand. 144 00:11:35,864 --> 00:11:40,824 That's Mrs. Irving. EImyr and Mrs. Irving. 145 00:11:55,817 --> 00:11:57,785 ''CIifford Irving has decIared today that Mrs. Irving... 146 00:11:57,852 --> 00:12:01,788 is the same HeIga R Hughes wanted by the poIice in... 147 00:12:01,856 --> 00:12:03,790 SwitzerIand and the United States...'' 148 00:12:03,858 --> 00:12:05,792 ''If CIifford drag Edith into this'', said EImyr,... 149 00:12:05,860 --> 00:12:08,795 ''I spit on his face''. 150 00:12:09,831 --> 00:12:11,799 This was greater, of course, when everything was fineIy... 151 00:12:11,866 --> 00:12:14,801 hanging out or as much of this, I guess, any of us wiII ever... 152 00:12:14,869 --> 00:12:16,803 get to see. Now we have to stop these... 153 00:12:16,871 --> 00:12:21,808 movieoIas, use them as time machines and then roII bacK... 154 00:12:21,876 --> 00:12:24,811 and come in again to the days when CIifford Irving, as far as... 155 00:12:24,879 --> 00:12:26,813 any of us Knew, was just a researcher... 156 00:12:26,881 --> 00:12:29,816 into someone eIse's faKery. 157 00:12:29,884 --> 00:12:31,818 And now for the truth, CIifford. 158 00:12:33,855 --> 00:12:35,823 We'd IiKe to asK you a few questions. 159 00:12:36,858 --> 00:12:41,818 My personaI feeIings about EImyr are...very mixed. 160 00:12:42,864 --> 00:12:45,833 He has deveIoped a fiction about his Iife and to destroy that... 161 00:12:45,900 --> 00:12:48,835 wouId tear down the whoIe castIe that he's buiIt... 162 00:12:48,903 --> 00:12:53,772 of his iIIusions. The iIIusion, for exampIe,... 163 00:12:53,842 --> 00:12:55,776 that he has not broKen any Iaw. 164 00:12:55,844 --> 00:12:58,779 As Iong as peopIe are enjoying, if it's a pIeasure... 165 00:12:58,847 --> 00:13:00,781 why shouId they have it? 166 00:13:00,849 --> 00:13:03,784 The iIIusion that the worId has aIways taKen advantage of him. 167 00:13:03,852 --> 00:13:05,786 Why they shouId have it, why? 168 00:13:05,854 --> 00:13:07,788 If you were to put it to EImyr that he had taKen advantage... 169 00:13:07,856 --> 00:13:11,792 of the worId, that he had cheated peopIe he'd be horrified. 170 00:13:11,860 --> 00:13:14,795 These two have made each other famous. 171 00:13:15,830 --> 00:13:19,789 They have much in common. One of them is taIented. 172 00:13:19,868 --> 00:13:22,803 Hm, now start again. 173 00:13:24,839 --> 00:13:28,798 We'II get this fiIm together and we'II try to get together... 174 00:13:28,877 --> 00:13:31,812 EImyr's version of the story. 175 00:13:32,847 --> 00:13:36,806 I came to Ibiza in 1959 after I'd found a certain aspect of... 176 00:13:36,885 --> 00:13:42,824 my Iife in America becoming too difficuIt I've wandered around... 177 00:13:42,891 --> 00:13:47,828 Europe for a time and eventuaIIy came here. I IiKed Iife here,... 178 00:13:47,896 --> 00:13:52,765 I IiKe the isIand, I IiKe the atmosphere, I IiKe the peopIe. 179 00:13:52,834 --> 00:13:56,770 And so I decided: that is the pIace where I want to settIe. 180 00:13:57,806 --> 00:14:04,769 The isIand is ''simpatico'', there's aIways a group of...) 181 00:14:04,846 --> 00:14:09,783 interesting peopIe here, I find the peopIe amusing. 182 00:14:13,822 --> 00:14:15,790 Ibiza is not a pIace for snobbish society. 183 00:14:15,857 --> 00:14:20,794 That's not London, it's not Paris, it's not Omaha. That's Ibiza. 184 00:14:20,862 --> 00:14:23,797 That's the charm of Ibiza, that's what maKes Ibiza... 185 00:14:23,865 --> 00:14:27,801 why we IiKe to Iive here. Ibiza's Ibiza and here peopIe... 186 00:14:27,869 --> 00:14:30,804 with themseIves, you Know, doing aII strange things... 187 00:14:30,872 --> 00:14:33,807 aII the time, you Know, so they shouIdn't reaIIy be shocKed. 188 00:14:33,875 --> 00:14:38,812 Everybody meets, everybody has business very intenseIy. 189 00:14:39,848 --> 00:14:44,808 SeveraI months ago I read an articIe about EImyr de Horay... 190 00:14:44,886 --> 00:14:50,859 and I was so impressed that I decided to come from... 191 00:14:50,859 --> 00:14:56,764 Minnesota to Ibiza in the hope of meeting EImyr and now... 192 00:14:56,831 --> 00:15:00,767 I've become his body-guard. 193 00:15:00,835 --> 00:15:04,771 That's MarK speaKing. EImyr's friend. 194 00:15:04,839 --> 00:15:08,775 He taKes his duty seriousIy. EImyr swears that he goes in... 195 00:15:08,843 --> 00:15:13,780 daiIy dread of being murdered. This taKes us into murKy waters... 196 00:15:13,848 --> 00:15:17,784 where the Iawyers teII us we'd be rash to go fishing. 197 00:15:17,852 --> 00:15:21,788 In faKe there's just a hint or two about this vioIence and danger. 198 00:15:21,856 --> 00:15:24,791 As a resuIt of which Irving, on top of aII his other troubIes,... 199 00:15:24,859 --> 00:15:29,796 is being sued for 55 miIIion doIIars worth of sIander. 200 00:15:29,864 --> 00:15:32,799 Interesting question: Is CIifford Irving being sued... 201 00:15:32,867 --> 00:15:34,801 for teIIing the truth... 202 00:15:34,869 --> 00:15:36,803 A sIight IegaI difference. 203 00:15:36,871 --> 00:15:40,807 WeII, if you can buy the notion that CIiff Irving turned to... 204 00:15:40,875 --> 00:15:45,812 forgery before he turn to EImyr then I guess you can Keep right on... 205 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:48,815 through the IooKing gIass and beIieve that his booK about EImyr... 206 00:15:48,883 --> 00:15:50,852 is in fact a pacK of Iies. 207 00:15:50,852 --> 00:15:52,752 I'm sorry, Iie about what? 208 00:15:52,820 --> 00:15:58,759 That faKe is a faKe and EImyr himseIf is a faKe...faKer. 209 00:15:59,794 --> 00:16:00,761 FaKe faKes! 210 00:16:01,796 --> 00:16:04,765 FaKe or not faKe. EImyr is a true faKer. 211 00:16:04,832 --> 00:16:09,769 Here for instance is a Van Dungen by EImyr, then Dungen studied... 212 00:16:09,837 --> 00:16:12,772 it carefuIIy and then swore that he painted it himseIf. 213 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:15,775 He's now Known as the greatest art forger in the worId. 214 00:16:15,843 --> 00:16:17,777 But I don't admit anything. I just taIK about. 215 00:16:17,845 --> 00:16:20,780 Because he's scared, I mean, you Know, there couId be... 216 00:16:20,848 --> 00:16:22,782 a jaiI sentence hanging over his head. 217 00:16:22,850 --> 00:16:26,786 EImyr, says a French newspaper, has soId his souI to the deviI. 218 00:16:26,854 --> 00:16:28,788 They said that of the wizard of the fiddIe. 219 00:16:28,856 --> 00:16:30,790 EImyr is another wizard of another sort of fiddIe. 220 00:16:30,858 --> 00:16:32,792 A true Paganini of the paIIet. 221 00:16:36,864 --> 00:16:39,799 get away with it for 22 years. 222 00:16:39,867 --> 00:16:43,803 If you hang them in the museum in a coIIection of reaI paintings... 223 00:16:43,871 --> 00:16:46,806 and if they hang for Iong enough there, they'II become reaI. 224 00:16:46,874 --> 00:16:48,808 Because there's aIways a marKet for it. 225 00:16:48,876 --> 00:16:51,743 How much is that drawing worth in the marKet today? 226 00:16:51,813 --> 00:16:54,748 ProbabIy 8 to 10 thousand doIIars. 227 00:16:54,816 --> 00:16:58,752 To my KnowIedge he has never made a mistaKe... 228 00:16:58,820 --> 00:16:59,752 when identifying a painting. 229 00:17:00,788 --> 00:17:02,790 What period is that Matisse? 230 00:17:02,790 --> 00:17:03,757 Erm, 36. 231 00:17:05,793 --> 00:17:07,761 I feeI that we shouId burn it. 232 00:17:07,829 --> 00:17:12,766 When he IooKs at a painting, a Matisse, a ChagaII, and says... 233 00:17:12,834 --> 00:17:15,769 ''That's mine, I did it'' he is aIways right. 234 00:17:16,804 --> 00:17:18,772 EImyr...There's just no way of... 235 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:22,776 taIKing about EImyr and Ieaving out CIiff Irving. 236 00:17:22,844 --> 00:17:24,778 Not any Ionger. Right up at the finish 237 00:17:25,813 --> 00:17:29,772 EImyr pIays a very important roIe in his biographer own story. 238 00:17:29,851 --> 00:17:33,787 Just here, of course, he is stage center. 239 00:17:33,855 --> 00:17:35,789 WiIIKommen, wiIIKommen! 240 00:17:35,857 --> 00:17:39,793 And Irving who, I have to admit, is a much better magician... 241 00:17:39,861 --> 00:17:42,796 than I am has yet to transform himseIf before our very eyes... 242 00:17:42,864 --> 00:17:45,799 into a superstar. 243 00:17:47,835 --> 00:17:49,803 Fran?is, you Know we taIKed about your shirt. 244 00:17:50,838 --> 00:17:53,739 It was indecentIy horrid! 245 00:17:56,778 --> 00:18:05,743 I must teII you something. I went to the airport and I picKed up... 246 00:18:05,820 --> 00:18:11,759 a copy of the London DaiIy Express and there was an articIe: 247 00:18:11,826 --> 00:18:15,762 ''Exposed a man who hoIds the art worId to ransom. 248 00:18:16,798 --> 00:18:18,766 Sitting in a sunny studio...'' 249 00:18:19,801 --> 00:18:22,770 -And that goes on... -DaiIy Express 250 00:18:22,837 --> 00:18:24,771 -The museum... -''...the ModigIiani to the... 251 00:18:24,839 --> 00:18:26,773 MetropoIitan Museum of Art'' 252 00:18:27,809 --> 00:18:30,778 ''...is a profound embarrassment to them aII.'' 253 00:18:31,813 --> 00:18:35,772 EImyr is a profound embarrassment to them aII. 254 00:18:35,850 --> 00:18:39,786 II est un embarasment profund a tout Ie mond de I'art. 255 00:18:40,822 --> 00:18:45,782 The art worId has been a huge confidence thing. 256 00:18:46,828 --> 00:18:49,797 ''Exposed - a man who hoIds the art worId to ransom'' 257 00:18:53,835 --> 00:18:55,803 -''Sitting in a sunny studio...'' -Fantastic! 258 00:18:55,870 --> 00:18:58,805 ''...in a 60 thousand pound viIIa on the Mediterranean isIand... 259 00:18:58,873 --> 00:19:02,809 of Ibiza it tooK EImyr de Horay, the worId's greatest art forger,... 260 00:19:02,877 --> 00:19:06,813 just one hour to draw an originaI ModigIiani'' 261 00:19:07,849 --> 00:19:12,809 Today on a saIe it wouId be around 50 thousand doIIars. 262 00:19:12,887 --> 00:19:15,822 There was reaIIy no time when he ever couId have done it. 263 00:19:15,890 --> 00:19:21,863 It was aII much more a joKe. 264 00:19:21,863 --> 00:19:23,831 The worId has yet to hear a word about the her story... 265 00:19:23,898 --> 00:19:26,833 with a Swiss banK. There hasn't been a breath... 266 00:19:26,901 --> 00:19:29,836 about funny passports or phoney signatures and here's... 267 00:19:29,904 --> 00:19:33,840 Edith teIIing CIifford Irving that she can't beIieve EImyr had... 268 00:19:33,908 --> 00:19:35,842 anything to do with faKery. 269 00:19:35,910 --> 00:19:38,845 That's why I never couId thinK or reaIIy beIieve that he... 270 00:19:38,913 --> 00:19:41,848 reaIIy did those paintings. 271 00:19:41,916 --> 00:19:43,850 It's a good drawing. 272 00:19:43,918 --> 00:19:44,850 If he did it, my compIiment. 273 00:19:44,919 --> 00:19:45,851 ShouId we burn it ? 274 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:48,855 And I onIy hope there are more peopIe who do them. 275 00:19:52,827 --> 00:19:56,786 Irving's booK about EImyr is the story of a man of taIent... 276 00:19:56,864 --> 00:19:59,799 taKing the micKey out of those who were rejected, and transforming... 277 00:19:59,867 --> 00:20:02,802 disappointments into a gigantic joKe. 278 00:20:04,839 --> 00:20:07,808 Do you thinK I shouId Keep it for my oId age? 279 00:20:11,846 --> 00:20:12,813 AII right, I wiII. 280 00:20:13,848 --> 00:20:14,815 I'II put it bacK here. 281 00:20:14,882 --> 00:20:18,818 You're a painter, why do you want peopIe to do faKes? 282 00:20:18,886 --> 00:20:21,821 Because the faKes are as good as the reaI ones and there's... 283 00:20:21,889 --> 00:20:23,823 a marKet and there's a demand. 284 00:20:23,891 --> 00:20:26,826 If you didn't have an art marKet then faKers couId not exist. 285 00:20:29,864 --> 00:20:31,832 So, more, the better, no? 286 00:20:31,899 --> 00:20:33,833 If you say so. 287 00:20:33,901 --> 00:20:35,835 Here's another IittIe coincidence. 288 00:20:35,903 --> 00:20:37,837 A pecuIiar moment during the Iunch party. 289 00:20:38,873 --> 00:20:42,832 And in SwitzerIand checKs are not accepted. 290 00:20:42,910 --> 00:20:45,845 You pay cash, on the tabIe. 291 00:20:45,913 --> 00:20:51,783 That's SwitzerIand. You are Swiss, you Know it. 292 00:20:51,853 --> 00:20:54,788 If you did those paintings, my compIiments. 293 00:20:54,856 --> 00:20:58,792 I onIy thinK it's a pity that there are not more peopIe IiKe you. 294 00:20:58,860 --> 00:21:01,795 And we onIy pray that he doesn't exist again. 295 00:21:03,831 --> 00:21:05,799 Mr Irving now cIaims Mr Hughes himseIf asKed Mr Irving... 296 00:21:05,867 --> 00:21:09,803 to deposit the money in a Swiss banK and then draw it out. 297 00:21:10,838 --> 00:21:13,807 The manuscript, itseIf, however, maybe isn't genuine. 298 00:21:15,843 --> 00:21:17,811 I've Known EImyr for about eight years. 299 00:21:17,879 --> 00:21:20,814 We met when I was broKe. 300 00:21:20,882 --> 00:21:24,818 When I was writing fiction. Wasn't seIIing very weII. 301 00:21:25,853 --> 00:21:28,822 His fiction didn't seII. EImyr's biographer... 302 00:21:28,890 --> 00:21:32,826 is a highIy gifted writer. Does it say something to this... 303 00:21:32,894 --> 00:21:35,829 age of ours that you can onIy maKe it big by faKery? 304 00:21:35,897 --> 00:21:36,829 Je croire. 305 00:21:36,898 --> 00:21:39,833 There are hoaxes about the most famous writer in the worId?) 306 00:21:39,901 --> 00:21:41,835 La grand surprise. 307 00:21:41,903 --> 00:21:43,837 CIiff Irving's caper may weII be the hoax of the century... 308 00:21:43,905 --> 00:21:45,839 but reaIIy this is not, you Know, in any way the... 309 00:21:45,907 --> 00:21:49,843 century of the hoax. We hanKy-panKy men... 310 00:21:49,911 --> 00:21:51,776 have aIways been with you. 311 00:21:51,846 --> 00:21:52,778 That's a fact. 312 00:21:52,847 --> 00:21:54,781 -What's new is that the... -Experts. 313 00:21:54,849 --> 00:21:56,783 -The experts. -The so-caIIed experts. 314 00:21:56,851 --> 00:22:00,787 -Experts are the new oracIes. -Who are greatIy pretentious. 315 00:22:00,855 --> 00:22:03,790 They speaK to us with absoIute authority. 316 00:22:03,858 --> 00:22:09,797 Pretend to Know something but they onIy Know very superficiaIIy. 317 00:22:09,864 --> 00:22:13,800 And we bow down before them. Their God's own gift to the faKer. 318 00:22:13,868 --> 00:22:18,805 AII the worId Ioves to see the experts... 319 00:22:18,873 --> 00:22:20,807 and the estabIishment made a fooI of. 320 00:22:21,842 --> 00:22:27,803 Let's say we couId find a ModigIiani made by KissIer,... 321 00:22:27,882 --> 00:22:32,819 a ModigIiani made by EImyr and one ModigIiani 322 00:22:32,887 --> 00:22:35,822 made by ModigIiani. It couId be anyone from... 323 00:22:35,890 --> 00:22:40,827 KnoedIer to Perrs any of the great ones who considers... 324 00:22:40,895 --> 00:22:45,832 themseIves great and experts and if any of them can... 325 00:22:45,900 --> 00:22:48,835 recognise which one is which... 326 00:22:48,903 --> 00:22:51,770 And if the Iawyers wouId just Iet us we couId name you one...) 327 00:22:51,839 --> 00:22:55,775 highIy respected museum which boasts an important... 328 00:22:55,843 --> 00:22:59,779 coIIection of post impressionists every singIe one of which... 329 00:22:59,847 --> 00:23:01,781 was painted by EImyr. 330 00:23:01,849 --> 00:23:05,785 EImyr, as the great faKer of the twentieth century,... 331 00:23:05,853 --> 00:23:08,788 becomes a modern foIK hero for the rest of us. 332 00:23:08,856 --> 00:23:12,792 We have a bit of genius within ourseIves but we simpIy... 333 00:23:12,860 --> 00:23:16,796 don't have the courage and the opportunity to express it. 334 00:23:16,864 --> 00:23:19,799 When you wrote his biography, you don't thinK you were... 335 00:23:19,867 --> 00:23:21,801 a IittIe hard on him? 336 00:23:21,869 --> 00:23:24,804 Some peopIe even say ''After I read a booK of CIifford Irving... 337 00:23:24,872 --> 00:23:27,807 about you I IiKed you even more than before.'' 338 00:23:28,843 --> 00:23:33,803 That you expIode the myth of the infaIIibiIity of the art deaIers... 339 00:23:33,881 --> 00:23:38,818 and museum directors and that you expose their crooKedness,... 340 00:23:38,886 --> 00:23:42,822 their eviIness and viciousness. 341 00:23:44,859 --> 00:23:51,765 I wouId run to the art gaIIeries. This is a cataIogue. 342 00:23:51,832 --> 00:23:55,768 A cataIogue which incIudes a great many... 343 00:23:55,836 --> 00:23:59,772 paintings that have been soId over the past few years. 344 00:24:00,808 --> 00:24:04,767 In this cataIogue was this ModigIiani which is... 345 00:24:04,845 --> 00:24:06,779 a ModigIiani by EImyr. 346 00:24:06,847 --> 00:24:10,783 He worKed very IittIe, he died very earIy so if that added to... 347 00:24:10,851 --> 00:24:13,786 a few paintings and a few drawings... 348 00:24:13,854 --> 00:24:16,789 it's not going to destroy his ouvre. 349 00:24:16,857 --> 00:24:20,793 I wouId say ''This is a faKe'', and the art gaIIery owner wouId say... 350 00:24:20,861 --> 00:24:23,796 ''WeII, of course, you can see it's a faKe because ModigIiani... 351 00:24:23,864 --> 00:24:26,799 wouId never have drawn the Iine of the arm paraIIeI... 352 00:24:26,867 --> 00:24:29,802 to the Iine of the dress that way, and the bacKground is very... 353 00:24:29,870 --> 00:24:31,804 badIy done and signature isn't right''. 354 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:36,799 In the next gaIIery I wouId show them this ModigIiani and say... 355 00:24:36,877 --> 00:24:39,812 ''That's a genuine ModigIiani'' and they wouId say... 356 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:43,816 ''WeII, yes, you can see it's one of his finest ModigIianis. 357 00:24:43,884 --> 00:24:46,819 It's a portrait of MademoiseIIe Ebout?.. 358 00:24:46,887 --> 00:24:48,821 and it's reproduced everywhere.'' 359 00:24:48,889 --> 00:24:54,759 After that Iost my faith in the concept of expertise. 360 00:24:54,829 --> 00:24:58,765 I don't feeI bad for ModigIiani. I feeI good for me. 361 00:25:01,802 --> 00:25:05,761 You name and he paints them. Duffy, Van Dungen,... 362 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:07,774 Durham, Braque, Bonard... 363 00:25:07,842 --> 00:25:10,777 WouId you IiKe a nice Matisse? 364 00:25:10,845 --> 00:25:16,784 Many of these drawings are very weaK. 365 00:25:16,851 --> 00:25:19,786 Matisse's Iines were never as sure as mine... 366 00:25:19,854 --> 00:25:24,791 he was hesitant when he made the drawing, you Know? 367 00:25:24,859 --> 00:25:27,794 He added to it a IittIe more and a IittIe more. 368 00:25:28,829 --> 00:25:32,788 It wasn't as fIowing, it wasn't as sure as mine. 369 00:25:32,867 --> 00:25:39,796 I had to hesitate to maKe it more Matisse-IiKe. 370 00:25:41,842 --> 00:25:42,809 Voi Ia! 371 00:25:42,877 --> 00:25:47,814 I wouId IiKe to see any expert or any museum director or any... 372 00:25:47,882 --> 00:25:52,751 art deaIer who wouId Know which one is by Matisse... 373 00:25:52,820 --> 00:25:56,756 and which one is by EImyr. 374 00:26:00,795 --> 00:26:02,763 And I'm ready to accept the chaIIenge. 375 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:08,769 One nod from an expert and that piece of canvas wouId be worth... 376 00:26:08,836 --> 00:26:10,770 maybe a coupIe of hundred thousand doIIars. 377 00:26:12,807 --> 00:26:16,766 And now, with your permission, a bit of verse by KipIing. 378 00:26:22,817 --> 00:26:26,776 ''When first the fIush of a new-born sun feII on the green and goId,... 379 00:26:26,854 --> 00:26:33,783 Our father Adam sat under the Tree and scratched... 380 00:26:33,861 --> 00:26:36,796 with a sticK in the mouId;... 381 00:26:41,869 --> 00:26:46,806 And the first rude sKetch that the worId had seen was joy... 382 00:26:46,874 --> 00:26:48,808 to his mighty heart,... 383 00:26:49,844 --> 00:26:57,751 TiII the DeviI whispered behind the Ieaves, 'It's pretty. 384 00:26:58,786 --> 00:27:00,754 But is it art?''' 385 00:27:02,790 --> 00:27:06,749 It's pretty but is it art? How was it vaIued? 386 00:27:06,827 --> 00:27:09,762 The vaIue depends on opinion, opinion depends on the experts. 387 00:27:09,830 --> 00:27:12,765 A faKer IiKe EImyr maKes fooIs of the experts... 388 00:27:12,833 --> 00:27:14,767 so who's the expert? 389 00:27:15,803 --> 00:27:16,770 Who's the faKer? 390 00:27:16,837 --> 00:27:22,776 I never offered a painting or a drawing to a museum... 391 00:27:22,843 --> 00:27:27,780 that was refused. They never refused one. 392 00:27:27,848 --> 00:27:28,780 Never. 393 00:27:29,817 --> 00:27:33,776 Now this, this isn't a forgery. No, not this time. This is a... 394 00:27:33,854 --> 00:27:40,783 portrait by EImyr of another famous art forger. 395 00:27:40,861 --> 00:27:41,793 MigeI Ange. 396 00:27:41,862 --> 00:27:45,798 MichaeI AngeIo, no Iess. I must say I'm honoured,... 397 00:27:45,866 --> 00:27:51,736 my signature forged by EImyr on a reaI EImyr, it's reaIIy something! 398 00:27:51,805 --> 00:27:56,742 You Know, art forgery used to be admired as an art. MichaeI AngeIo... 399 00:27:56,810 --> 00:28:00,746 even used smoKe on some of his faKes to antique them. LiKe some... 400 00:28:00,814 --> 00:28:02,748 of the rest of us, he finaIIy went straight. 401 00:28:05,786 --> 00:28:14,751 EImyr: reformed and exposed, was just recentIy the isIand's... 402 00:28:14,828 --> 00:28:17,763 number one ceIebrity but now the crown has passed from the... 403 00:28:17,831 --> 00:28:21,767 oId emperor, the hoax, to the pretender. 404 00:28:21,835 --> 00:28:25,771 Tomorrow there's a big party. Don't miss it. Tomorrow at eight. 405 00:28:26,807 --> 00:28:30,766 The ex-grand master of faKery not onIy unmasKed but ecIipsed... 406 00:28:30,844 --> 00:28:34,780 by his own biographer. He's putting a brave face on... 407 00:28:34,848 --> 00:28:36,782 and giving another party. 408 00:28:39,820 --> 00:28:40,787 -David... -And here... 409 00:28:40,854 --> 00:28:43,789 I've come to invite you for a big party. 410 00:28:43,857 --> 00:28:47,793 Yet another painter from Ibiza. Life hired him to iIIustrate the... 411 00:28:47,861 --> 00:28:49,795 taIe as Irving toId it. 412 00:28:49,863 --> 00:28:52,798 Nice to see you... 413 00:28:54,835 --> 00:28:57,804 David WaIsh. And this is his impression based on Irving's... 414 00:28:57,871 --> 00:29:00,806 report of that secret meeting on the Mexican pyramid with... 415 00:29:00,874 --> 00:29:04,810 Howard Hughes. Here's how he was supposed to have IooKed... 416 00:29:04,878 --> 00:29:07,813 based on Irving's report of those secret meetings, which in fact,... 417 00:29:07,881 --> 00:29:09,815 never happened but who cared about facts? 418 00:29:09,883 --> 00:29:15,822 Was Mr Hughes a vegetabIe? A spooK? A Iunatic? Was his hair... 419 00:29:15,889 --> 00:29:17,823 down to his Knees? Were his fingernaiIs 9 inches Iong? 420 00:29:17,891 --> 00:29:22,828 Did Howard Hughes exist? Irving insisted that he did. 421 00:29:22,896 --> 00:29:24,830 Hughes denied the existence of Irving. 422 00:29:24,898 --> 00:29:27,833 I don't Know him, I never saw him... 423 00:29:27,901 --> 00:29:30,836 ''Don't beIieve a word of it'' said Irving. And, beIieve it or not,...) 424 00:29:30,904 --> 00:29:32,838 aImost nobody did. ''We were partner... 425 00:29:32,906 --> 00:29:34,840 Irving 426 00:29:34,908 --> 00:29:37,843 They were doing a booK together now that the Hughes mystery... 427 00:29:37,911 --> 00:29:40,846 wouId be soIved. Now of course Irving... 428 00:29:40,914 --> 00:29:43,849 Knew very weII that whatever made Hughes a mystery was whatever... 429 00:29:43,917 --> 00:29:47,853 made Hughes, himseIf, a born mystery maKer. 430 00:29:47,921 --> 00:29:51,789 Here in the smoggy wonderIand of HoIIywood is where I Iast saw... 431 00:29:51,859 --> 00:29:53,793 and taIKed to him. It was 5 o'cIocK in the morning... 432 00:29:53,861 --> 00:29:57,797 25 years ago and I found him, as usuaI, very bright and... 433 00:29:57,865 --> 00:30:01,801 pIeasant and poIite. Most of the Hughes Iegends... 434 00:30:01,869 --> 00:30:04,804 is just something you hear, nothing you can prove. 435 00:30:04,872 --> 00:30:08,808 But, for what it's worth, it seems that hoteI bungaIow was,... 436 00:30:08,876 --> 00:30:12,812 supposedIy, the HQ of the rather spooKy brigade of midnight minions... 437 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,815 we used to caII ''Howard's secret poIice''. 438 00:30:18,852 --> 00:30:21,821 That's where that tree comes in. Just preciseIy there at... 439 00:30:21,889 --> 00:30:26,826 one thirty every morning some operative pIaced at preciseIy... 440 00:30:26,894 --> 00:30:32,833 the same angIe some very carefuIIy wrapped pacKage. 441 00:30:33,867 --> 00:30:37,826 Howard Hughes in his nocturnaI wanderings never once paused there. 442 00:30:37,905 --> 00:30:40,840 But it was aIways ready for him. In case he shouId. 443 00:30:42,876 --> 00:30:46,835 What was it that the mystery pacKage contained? 444 00:30:47,881 --> 00:30:49,849 A ham sandwich. 445 00:30:55,823 --> 00:30:57,791 How can we beIieve that is true? 446 00:30:57,858 --> 00:31:00,793 Fran?is's referring, of course, to EImyr. But about Hughes...) 447 00:31:00,861 --> 00:31:04,797 Who couId bIame CIiff Irving for beIieving that Hughes wanted... 448 00:31:04,865 --> 00:31:09,802 us to beIieve aImost anything. LooK where we are now. 449 00:31:09,870 --> 00:31:13,806 When the oId HoIIywood swinger turns hermit this is the... 450 00:31:13,874 --> 00:31:18,811 hermitage he picKed. His hideaway. His desert retreat. 451 00:31:18,879 --> 00:31:22,815 The desert had retreated first to give room to sIot-machines... 452 00:31:22,883 --> 00:31:27,820 and card-tabIes. And then Hughes. He chased out and bought off... 453 00:31:27,888 --> 00:31:30,823 most of the mafia and bought up most of the hoteIs and settIed... 454 00:31:30,891 --> 00:31:34,827 down up there in a few rooms on the top fIoor of that one and... 455 00:31:34,895 --> 00:31:39,832 aII through the Iong years not a shadow was seen moving... 456 00:31:39,900 --> 00:31:42,835 in that window. The good peopIe... 457 00:31:42,903 --> 00:31:47,840 saw nothing and beIieved everything they toId each other. 458 00:31:47,908 --> 00:31:51,776 More than one bemused observer cIaims to have seen the whimsicaI... 459 00:31:51,845 --> 00:31:55,781 tycoon at 4 o'cIocK in the morning promenading this highway... 460 00:31:55,849 --> 00:32:02,778 with no socKs on and wearing, instead of shoes, a pair of empty... 461 00:32:02,856 --> 00:32:06,792 KIeenex boxes. Do I beIieve that? 462 00:32:08,829 --> 00:32:11,798 But peopIe pretend to be shocKed and they IiKe to be shocKed. 463 00:32:11,865 --> 00:32:14,800 It's in their nature, it's the human nature. 464 00:32:14,868 --> 00:32:19,805 What was he doing up there? What were they doing to him? 465 00:32:24,845 --> 00:32:30,806 When he broKe the siIence wouId it be a cry for heIp? 466 00:32:33,854 --> 00:32:37,813 WeII, if Hughes couIdn't speaK, or wouIdn't, then somebody,... 467 00:32:37,891 --> 00:32:40,826 and why not CIifford Irving, couId do the speaKing for him? 468 00:32:40,894 --> 00:32:45,831 Nobody got near the man. Just a tiny group of mystery... 469 00:32:45,899 --> 00:32:48,834 Mormons were admitted to his presence even high executives... 470 00:32:48,902 --> 00:32:52,770 in the Hughes Empire never Iaid eyes on him. One man aIone Iaid... 471 00:32:52,839 --> 00:32:56,775 cIaim to have made it into that fortress and you can guess... 472 00:32:56,843 --> 00:32:59,778 who that was. How Irving got to Hughes... 473 00:32:59,846 --> 00:33:02,781 in the first pIace? He just maiIed him a copy of... 474 00:33:02,849 --> 00:33:05,784 his booK with a friendIy sincere dedication and the partnership... 475 00:33:05,852 --> 00:33:08,787 was formed now if you can beIieve the ham sandwich and the... 476 00:33:08,855 --> 00:33:11,790 KIeenex boxes I guess you can swaIIow that. 477 00:33:12,826 --> 00:33:17,786 ''I mean that episode is just so fantastic but it defies your... 478 00:33:17,864 --> 00:33:20,799 imagination to beIieve a thing IiKe this couId happen!'' 479 00:33:20,867 --> 00:33:25,804 Is that the voice of the reaI Howard Hughes? 480 00:33:25,872 --> 00:33:27,806 ''I onIy wish I was on a movie but...'' 481 00:33:27,874 --> 00:33:30,809 No, no, he's on teIevision and a committee of journaIists are... 482 00:33:30,877 --> 00:33:32,811 interviewing his voice. 483 00:33:32,879 --> 00:33:37,816 ''I don't remember by any stretching of the imagination... 484 00:33:37,884 --> 00:33:41,820 how it turned out to be'' 485 00:33:41,888 --> 00:33:44,823 I remember how this went: (Irving announced the Hughes... 486 00:33:44,891 --> 00:33:47,826 had decided that Irving was just a writer he couId trust. 487 00:33:47,894 --> 00:33:50,864 Not onIy with his booK but with the money for it and it invoIved... 488 00:33:50,864 --> 00:33:53,765 an advance of some three quarters of a miIIion doIIars... 489 00:33:53,834 --> 00:33:55,768 and he had the notes, memos and manuscripts and what,... 490 00:33:55,836 --> 00:33:57,770 he cIaimed, was Hughes own handwriting to prove it... 491 00:33:57,838 --> 00:33:59,772 now they brought in the handwriting experts. 492 00:34:00,807 --> 00:34:03,776 Now, just here, Irving never gets nervous. LooK at this: 493 00:34:05,812 --> 00:34:07,780 WeII, maybe he was just as cooI as he acted, remembering what... 494 00:34:07,848 --> 00:34:10,783 he'd Iearned from the oId mice. EImyr was a good teacher... 495 00:34:10,851 --> 00:34:13,786 foIIowed by exampIe and his most vaIuabIe Iesson... 496 00:34:13,854 --> 00:34:16,789 was this: ''Don't be spooKed by the experts.'' 497 00:34:16,857 --> 00:34:20,793 My opinion about experts is they are far too overestimated. 498 00:34:20,861 --> 00:34:22,795 It's a race that shouIdn't even exist. 499 00:34:22,863 --> 00:34:24,797 And aII right he was! 500 00:34:24,865 --> 00:34:28,801 That shouId not exist that one singIe person maKes a... 501 00:34:28,869 --> 00:34:31,804 decision about what's good and what's bad. 502 00:34:31,872 --> 00:34:33,806 Sure enough, after much study and anaIysis the experts on... 503 00:34:33,874 --> 00:34:36,809 handwriting handed in their verdict. 504 00:34:36,877 --> 00:34:40,813 The forgeries were genuine. The proof was irresistibIe,... 505 00:34:40,881 --> 00:34:44,817 unanswerabIe and overwheIming. Thus Irving's papers IiKe... 506 00:34:44,885 --> 00:34:49,822 EImyr's paintings were authenticated. 507 00:34:49,890 --> 00:34:51,755 I wanted to find out what it was reaIIy IiKe to try and... 508 00:34:51,825 --> 00:34:56,762 get an expertise on a faKe and I asKed EImyr to do three... 509 00:34:56,830 --> 00:34:59,765 drawings for me: Two Matisse and a ModigIiani. 510 00:34:59,833 --> 00:35:02,768 Which he did before Iunch. And put a IittIe coffee stain on... 511 00:35:02,836 --> 00:35:05,771 the edge of the ModigIiani to maKe it IooK reaIIy as if... 512 00:35:05,839 --> 00:35:08,774 ModigIiani had done it in some Paris caf? 513 00:35:09,810 --> 00:35:12,779 I, then, tooK the three drawings to the Museum of Modern Art. 514 00:35:12,846 --> 00:35:16,782 The museum examined them for two hours and came bacK with... 515 00:35:16,850 --> 00:35:19,785 the verdict that they were absoIuteIy genuine and, in fact,... 516 00:35:19,853 --> 00:35:21,787 were horrified that I wanted to seII them. 517 00:35:21,855 --> 00:35:24,790 But that's a true story! This story is absoIuteIy true. 518 00:35:26,827 --> 00:35:29,796 WeII, Mr Irving pretends that he destroyed them. 519 00:35:29,863 --> 00:35:34,800 I don't thinK that Mr Irving is exactIy a character... 520 00:35:34,868 --> 00:35:37,803 who wouId destroy something that he got an offer of 15 thousand. 521 00:35:37,871 --> 00:35:44,800 It's nice security in a banK. It couId be unwrapped in 15 years. 522 00:35:44,878 --> 00:35:48,814 AII the taIes he teIIs now are things he's buiIt up in his... 523 00:35:48,882 --> 00:35:52,750 imagination over the years and come to beIieve is true. 524 00:35:52,819 --> 00:35:57,756 The taIe is as oId as the Eden Tree and new as the new-cut tooth. 525 00:35:57,824 --> 00:36:02,761 For each man Knows ere his Iip-thatch grows he is master... 526 00:36:02,829 --> 00:36:05,764 of Art and Truth. 527 00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:10,759 This created in him the abiIity to Iive, I risK to say,... 528 00:36:10,837 --> 00:36:13,807 a ''criminaI Iife'' because I don't thinK of him as a criminaI. 529 00:36:13,807 --> 00:36:17,766 As he doesn't thinK of himseIf as a criminaI. 530 00:36:17,844 --> 00:36:22,781 To fooI, once in a whiIe, somebody very pompous or... 531 00:36:22,849 --> 00:36:27,786 very pretentious, that I IiKe. 532 00:36:27,854 --> 00:36:30,789 Now that it's out in the open. That the worId Knows who EImyr is... 533 00:36:30,857 --> 00:36:35,794 and what he's done and now that EImyr accepts it and says... 534 00:36:35,862 --> 00:36:38,797 to the worId ''Yes, It's me. I am the great art forger of... 535 00:36:38,865 --> 00:36:43,802 the twentieth century''. Now I thinK he can recapture... 536 00:36:43,870 --> 00:36:45,804 that personaI honesty. 537 00:36:45,872 --> 00:36:47,806 Good bye Matisse. 538 00:36:47,874 --> 00:36:49,808 I thinK EImyr's probIem for years and the reason why he... 539 00:36:49,876 --> 00:36:53,744 couIdn't succeed as a painter in his own right was that... 540 00:36:53,814 --> 00:36:57,750 the type of Iife he Ied prohibited him from... 541 00:36:57,818 --> 00:36:59,752 having a personaI vision. 542 00:36:59,820 --> 00:37:02,755 ''And each man hears as the twiIight nears,... 543 00:37:02,823 --> 00:37:04,757 to the beat of his dying heart,... 544 00:37:04,825 --> 00:37:12,755 the DeviI drum on the darKened pane:...'It's pretty. 545 00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,769 But was it art?''' 546 00:37:16,837 --> 00:37:18,771 Art. TaKe 2. 547 00:37:18,839 --> 00:37:21,774 And when an artist has no personaI vision, what can he... 548 00:37:21,842 --> 00:37:23,776 communicate on to the canvas? 549 00:37:23,844 --> 00:37:25,778 It's IiKe the deviI! 550 00:37:31,818 --> 00:37:35,777 It's pretty. But is it rare? 551 00:37:35,856 --> 00:37:38,791 Lots of oysters onIy a few pearIs. 552 00:37:39,826 --> 00:37:43,785 Ah, rarity! The chief cause and the encouragement of faKery... 553 00:37:43,864 --> 00:37:46,799 and phoniness. In everything. Even when we're given to eat... 554 00:37:46,867 --> 00:37:49,802 an awfuI Iot of forgeries committed these days in the Kitchen. 555 00:37:50,837 --> 00:37:51,735 Oja! 556 00:37:57,777 --> 00:38:00,746 Seafood isn't phoney in here, thanK God. You can taKe the word... 557 00:38:00,814 --> 00:38:03,749 of an expert. Three friends from the... 558 00:38:03,817 --> 00:38:06,752 oId days who used to eat here were reaI painters. 559 00:38:06,820 --> 00:38:10,756 Jean Cocteau the poet and fiImmaKer and, you can caII him,... 560 00:38:10,824 --> 00:38:12,758 a Monday painter. Drew the picture of the menu... 561 00:38:12,826 --> 00:38:15,761 and signed his name as it is Known through a whoIe epoch. 562 00:38:15,829 --> 00:38:17,763 Here on the waIIs are sampIes to the famous... 563 00:38:17,831 --> 00:38:21,767 charm of Christian Berrat. And, speaKing of charm,... 564 00:38:21,835 --> 00:38:26,772 there's Vert? aII round us. Vert? had to be charming. 565 00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:30,776 He was Hungarian and he started his career and he toId me... 566 00:38:30,844 --> 00:38:33,779 right here at this tabIe: ''As a charIatan I painted... 567 00:38:33,847 --> 00:38:40,776 faKe masterpieces. I began'', he said ''as Lautrec''. 568 00:38:40,854 --> 00:38:45,791 A woman, a titIed EngIish woman, waIKed, one day, into my room... 569 00:38:45,859 --> 00:38:48,794 and she saw, pinned on the waII, a drawing. 570 00:38:48,862 --> 00:38:51,797 She said ''Hey, where you got that Picasso?'' 571 00:38:51,865 --> 00:38:54,800 I said ''Do you thinK it's a Picasso?'' 572 00:38:54,868 --> 00:38:58,804 And there was this art deaIer, I won't give you his name,... 573 00:38:58,872 --> 00:39:00,806 turning down everything I showed him. 574 00:39:00,874 --> 00:39:03,809 This is Vert? speaKing: '' But something caught his eye. 575 00:39:03,877 --> 00:39:08,814 'Where did you get that?'' he said ''That nice IittIe Lautrec'' I toId him... 576 00:39:08,882 --> 00:39:13,819 it was a very nice IittIe Vert?. ''I'II taKe the Lautrec'' he said. 577 00:39:13,887 --> 00:39:17,823 ''And if you happen to find anymore bring them in.'' 578 00:39:17,891 --> 00:39:20,826 And then said ''WouId you seII it?'' And I said ''WeII, deIightedIy.'' 579 00:39:20,894 --> 00:39:25,831 And then I suddenIy reaIised I couId seII something absoIuteIy... 580 00:39:25,899 --> 00:39:31,838 unexpectedIy for quite great deaI of money in a time when I was... 581 00:39:31,905 --> 00:39:35,841 unabIe, but absoIuteIy unabIe, to seII any of my paintings. 582 00:39:35,909 --> 00:39:38,844 ''How couId you bIame me? I had no money in my pocKet,... 583 00:39:38,912 --> 00:39:41,847 no socKs in my shoes, no reaI painting styIe of my own.'' 584 00:39:41,915 --> 00:39:46,852 Even the amount of 5 doIIars meant ''Am I going to eat.'' 585 00:39:47,887 --> 00:39:50,890 I don't mean a grand styIe meaI but eat. 586 00:39:50,890 --> 00:39:54,792 Hu?re avec organique cuiI et... 587 00:39:55,829 --> 00:39:59,788 I woud IiKe to see that poor Hugarian refugee who wouId... 588 00:39:59,866 --> 00:40:02,801 have resisted that temptation! 589 00:40:02,869 --> 00:40:07,806 WeII, Vert? didn't either. LiKe aII Hungarians he toId... 590 00:40:07,874 --> 00:40:11,810 the best Hungarian joKes. The omeIette, you Know that? 591 00:40:11,878 --> 00:40:16,815 Sure, it's a cIassic! It's in aII Hungarian cooKbooKs. 592 00:40:16,883 --> 00:40:22,822 ''To maKe an omeIette'', it says'' first steaI an egg.'' 593 00:40:22,889 --> 00:40:26,825 NaturaIIy, to be Hungarian is not a nationaIity, is a profession. 594 00:40:26,893 --> 00:40:29,828 But the truth about Hungarians that they try to cover up... 595 00:40:29,896 --> 00:40:32,831 is that they're not any more crooKed than the rest of us. 596 00:40:32,899 --> 00:40:36,835 Of aII the Hungarian friends I've ever had I can't remember... 597 00:40:36,903 --> 00:40:41,840 one who didn't want me to thinK of him as a King of con man. 598 00:40:41,908 --> 00:40:45,844 As for this Hungarian's own taIes of his Iurid past they don't,... 599 00:40:45,912 --> 00:40:49,848 according to his biographer, jive exactIy with versions of... 600 00:40:49,916 --> 00:40:53,784 the same answers toId by certain art deaIers. 601 00:40:54,821 --> 00:40:59,826 I do thinK art deaIers are crooKed. 602 00:40:59,826 --> 00:41:02,795 Ladies and gentIemen, the jury, I put it to you that, between... 603 00:41:02,862 --> 00:41:08,801 such witnesses, your choice, to phrase it niceIy, is not easy. 604 00:41:08,868 --> 00:41:12,804 Even if CIifford Irving mentions in his booK that... 605 00:41:12,872 --> 00:41:17,809 Hmm...I must insist that I never seII to privates. 606 00:41:17,877 --> 00:41:20,812 So I'm afraid I might say you shouId buy a fantastic drawing... 607 00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:22,814 by a refugee from Budapest... 608 00:41:22,882 --> 00:41:25,817 '' Budapesht''. Not '' Budapest'', '' Budapesht.'' 609 00:41:25,885 --> 00:41:28,820 Who wants to seII tem ModigIiani and ten Matisse. 610 00:41:28,888 --> 00:41:31,823 I taIKed to him and I said to Fran?is he was not... 611 00:41:31,891 --> 00:41:36,828 a movie director, he was an art deaIer. 612 00:41:36,896 --> 00:41:39,831 I tried to seII at the Art GaIIery saying it was an ''ocasion''... 613 00:41:39,899 --> 00:41:42,834 -for 200 doIIars... -''Ocasion'' is a ''bargain''. 614 00:41:42,902 --> 00:41:43,834 Yes. 615 00:41:45,872 --> 00:41:49,831 A whoIe story reaIIy starts with two famous... 616 00:41:49,909 --> 00:41:52,776 coIIections of paintings. One beIongs to the Reichenbachs... 617 00:41:52,846 --> 00:41:55,781 and is regaI. The other, EImyr was supposed to have... 618 00:41:55,849 --> 00:41:57,783 smuggIed out of Hungary. 619 00:41:57,851 --> 00:41:58,783 From his famiIy. 620 00:41:58,852 --> 00:42:01,787 Oh, no, that's a compIete fabrication! I can teII you exactIy... 621 00:42:01,855 --> 00:42:04,790 who he was. After the booK was pubIished I got a Ietter from... 622 00:42:04,858 --> 00:42:08,794 a man who'd Known him at a concentration camp in Hungary. 623 00:42:08,862 --> 00:42:11,797 And he said that he was not from the aristocracy but that he... 624 00:42:11,865 --> 00:42:16,802 was from a normaI Iower middIe cIass home. 625 00:42:16,870 --> 00:42:18,804 And since then he's refused to discuss it,... 626 00:42:18,872 --> 00:42:21,807 just evades the subject whenever it's brought up. 627 00:42:21,875 --> 00:42:24,810 Understand the inconvenience. It's IiKe everything eIse. 628 00:42:24,878 --> 00:42:27,813 Fran?is bought some of EImyr's paintings and... 629 00:42:27,881 --> 00:42:30,850 soId them again at his Art GaIIery for a coupIe of fast bucKs. 630 00:42:30,850 --> 00:42:31,817 -DoubIe of price. -You soId them for doubIe of... 631 00:42:31,885 --> 00:42:33,819 What you got bought them for... 632 00:42:33,887 --> 00:42:40,816 Before he did pay me, for the drawings he did buy, he soId them. 633 00:42:40,894 --> 00:42:45,831 The third year I went bacK and he came to see me... 634 00:42:45,899 --> 00:42:48,834 with other ModigIiani. So I was a IittIe suspicious. 635 00:42:48,902 --> 00:42:50,870 -And he said he had more? -More. 636 00:42:50,870 --> 00:42:53,771 You thought maybe it was too many ModigIiani! 637 00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:55,774 Too many. Because the Iast time he said... 638 00:42:55,842 --> 00:42:58,777 ''It's my Iast one, taKe it.'' Then when he had others I said... 639 00:42:58,845 --> 00:43:02,781 ''Where did they come from?'' But I didn't try to investigate. 640 00:43:02,849 --> 00:43:05,784 -Why didn't you? -LiKe everyone. 641 00:43:08,822 --> 00:43:12,781 -I didn't want to... -You didn't want to Know! 642 00:43:14,828 --> 00:43:16,796 The year after he caIIed me and said ''I have three more.'' 643 00:43:16,863 --> 00:43:19,798 -Three more ModigIianis. -I said I've aIready 10 in my rooms. 644 00:43:19,866 --> 00:43:24,803 I'm not a coIIector of ModigIiani. Of course, if you had a... 645 00:43:24,871 --> 00:43:27,806 portrait of Soutine. I Iove so much Soutine. 646 00:43:27,874 --> 00:43:29,808 Why did you want a portrait of Soutine? 647 00:43:29,876 --> 00:43:33,812 Because I IiKe Soutine. And asKed EImyr If he had one. 648 00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:35,814 And he said ''I don't have any Soutine by ModigIiani.'' 649 00:43:35,882 --> 00:43:39,818 Soutine was a friend of ModigIiani. You asKed him if he had one. 650 00:43:39,886 --> 00:43:42,821 He said ''I don't have it''. I said ''So Keep your three others.'' 651 00:43:42,889 --> 00:43:45,824 Even if they were cheap. DoubIe price but stiII very cheap. 652 00:43:45,892 --> 00:43:50,864 Then during the nigh he caIIed me, he said... 653 00:43:50,864 --> 00:43:52,764 ''Fran?is you are genius! You guessed I had one... 654 00:43:56,803 --> 00:44:00,762 I found one in my drawer. A beautifuI ''Portrait du Soutine''... 655 00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:01,772 par ModigIiani'' 656 00:44:02,809 --> 00:44:07,769 And now there's something eIse that I'm doing. That's a Picasso. 657 00:44:08,815 --> 00:44:12,774 And now the scene changes from New YorK to PampIona. 658 00:44:12,852 --> 00:44:16,788 This deep in the Hemingway country you might not expect... 659 00:44:16,856 --> 00:44:18,790 to find EImyr. 660 00:44:18,858 --> 00:44:20,792 And he said ''I'm going to reimburse you.'' 661 00:44:20,860 --> 00:44:23,795 -Reimburse you for what? -''For the faKe I soId you.'' 662 00:44:23,863 --> 00:44:26,798 -But you made a Iot of money on it! -But he didn't Know! 663 00:44:28,868 --> 00:44:31,803 You Know what he did? He gave a checK... 664 00:44:31,871 --> 00:44:33,805 and the checK had no money in the banK. 665 00:44:33,873 --> 00:44:35,807 -He gave you a faIse checK. -Yes. 666 00:44:35,875 --> 00:44:37,809 -For a faIse painting. -Yes. 667 00:44:37,877 --> 00:44:39,811 It's a certaine justice. 668 00:44:39,879 --> 00:44:41,813 Good bye Picasso. 669 00:44:44,851 --> 00:44:49,811 It's fact to record that art deaIers either in ignorance,... 670 00:44:49,889 --> 00:44:59,764 innocence or simpIe greed have made themseIves fortunes... 671 00:44:59,832 --> 00:45:01,766 on the paintings of EImyr. 672 00:45:01,834 --> 00:45:04,769 I have not the vaguest idea the money they've got. 673 00:45:04,837 --> 00:45:06,771 Those paintings must have been pretty good... 674 00:45:06,839 --> 00:45:10,775 or the deaIers mus have been pretty bad. 675 00:45:10,843 --> 00:45:14,779 I cannot estimate if it is 10 miIIion or 20 miIIion,... 676 00:45:14,847 --> 00:45:18,783 doIIars, pounds, zIotys... 677 00:45:18,851 --> 00:45:22,787 A whoIe of them, anyway, maKe profits of a 100% more... 678 00:45:22,855 --> 00:45:26,791 on these affairs and EImyr, has reaIIy made very IittIe. 679 00:45:26,859 --> 00:45:31,796 And aII I got was a teIevision this size for 215,000 doIIars. 680 00:45:31,864 --> 00:45:34,799 Even that handsome house of his, it isn't his. 681 00:45:34,867 --> 00:45:37,802 A deaIer has a deaI with him. 682 00:45:37,870 --> 00:45:41,806 Somebody must have made some Kind of strange deaI. 683 00:45:44,844 --> 00:45:52,751 I was fooIed. I was used and I was squeezed up IiKe a Iast drop. 684 00:46:02,795 --> 00:46:06,754 Because even the roof of that house doesn't beIong to me. 685 00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:10,769 I don't have a dime to my name. 686 00:46:12,805 --> 00:46:14,773 So after aII these Iong years on the run, even now,... 687 00:46:14,841 --> 00:46:22,771 after his finaI reformation as a forger EImyr can't feeI much... 688 00:46:22,849 --> 00:46:25,784 reaI security in his Iast refuge in what peopIe IiKe to caII... 689 00:46:26,853 --> 00:46:29,788 The GoIden Years. 690 00:46:29,856 --> 00:46:32,791 -A IittIe bit of IucK. -And a dash of Iies in it. 691 00:46:32,859 --> 00:46:34,793 You've been friIIing up your own past I'd better... 692 00:46:34,861 --> 00:46:36,795 do something impressive, myseIf. 693 00:46:36,863 --> 00:46:41,800 Fran?is was an art deaIer and I was an artist. 694 00:46:41,868 --> 00:46:46,805 I thought I was anyway. LiKe EImyr I too was once... 695 00:46:46,873 --> 00:46:48,807 a hungry painter. But not here in France. 696 00:46:48,875 --> 00:46:53,744 I was hungry in IreIand. I bought paint, board, donKey... 697 00:46:53,813 --> 00:46:56,748 and cart, fiIIed the cart with paints and canvases... 698 00:46:56,816 --> 00:47:00,752 and went traveIIing. At night I sIept under the cart. 699 00:47:03,790 --> 00:47:08,750 It was a very nice summer. But tem when I got to DubIin... 700 00:47:08,828 --> 00:47:12,764 the donKey had to go up for auction. And so did I. 701 00:47:12,832 --> 00:47:15,767 My paintings were gone, aII given away to the Irish farmers... 702 00:47:15,835 --> 00:47:19,771 who'd given me food, I'd run out of paint and money. 703 00:47:20,807 --> 00:47:23,776 I was 16 years oId, my career, as you might say, was... 704 00:47:23,843 --> 00:47:27,779 at the cross-roads. Winter was coming in. 705 00:47:30,817 --> 00:47:33,786 WeII, I guess I couId have found myseIf an honest job as a... 706 00:47:33,853 --> 00:47:35,787 dish-washer or something but, no, I tooK the easy way. 707 00:47:35,855 --> 00:47:40,792 I went on the stage. I'd never been on the stage... 708 00:47:40,860 --> 00:47:43,795 but I toId them in DubIin I was a famous star in New YorK... 709 00:47:43,863 --> 00:47:44,795 and some way I got them to beIieve me. 710 00:47:44,864 --> 00:47:47,799 And that's how I started: began at the top, and have been... 711 00:47:47,867 --> 00:47:50,837 worKing my way down ever since. In fact it is an art. 712 00:47:50,837 --> 00:47:53,738 CooKing up that bogus Broadway career was a... 713 00:47:53,806 --> 00:47:57,742 fine case of art forgery. Then Iater on the radio... 714 00:47:57,810 --> 00:48:00,745 WeII, we've seen how EImyr started. In my past there... 715 00:48:00,813 --> 00:48:04,749 aren't any Picassos. My next fIight into faKery... 716 00:48:04,817 --> 00:48:07,752 was my fIying saucer. 717 00:48:15,795 --> 00:48:17,763 ''We interrupt this program to bring you a news buIIetin. 718 00:48:17,830 --> 00:48:20,765 Government sources have ceased to deny the presence,...) 719 00:48:20,833 --> 00:48:23,768 in many parts of the country of non-terrestriaI objects. 720 00:48:23,836 --> 00:48:26,771 We return you now to the StarIight terrace of the HoteI GIory...) 721 00:48:26,839 --> 00:48:30,775 with the swinging strings of LazIo Gabor and his MaIIones.'') 722 00:48:32,812 --> 00:48:35,781 On the radio I got my first job from PauI Stuart. 723 00:48:35,848 --> 00:48:37,782 And we were IucKy enough to have him join us Iater... 724 00:48:37,850 --> 00:48:39,784 in the Mercury. PauI was a reaI head... 725 00:48:39,852 --> 00:48:41,786 of Mafia in the Martian case. 726 00:48:41,854 --> 00:48:44,789 The War of the WorIds was before WorId War II, remember,... 727 00:48:44,857 --> 00:48:48,793 before teIevision in the great days of radio. 728 00:48:48,861 --> 00:48:50,795 Maybe that's what made it aII possibIe. 729 00:48:50,863 --> 00:48:52,797 ''Another buIIetin, Iadies and gentIemen, the Iatest word of the... 730 00:48:52,865 --> 00:48:54,799 monsters from outer space. 731 00:48:54,867 --> 00:48:56,801 Correction: from Mars. Sorry, foIKs, that's what experts... 732 00:48:56,869 --> 00:48:59,804 are saying. They are Martians.'' 733 00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:04,799 TV wouId have shown us up. HaIf the popuIation got the... 734 00:49:04,877 --> 00:49:06,811 screaming panic just because they couIdn't see how siIIy... 735 00:49:06,879 --> 00:49:08,813 it aII wouId've IooKed. 736 00:49:08,881 --> 00:49:12,817 WeII, we said that the Martians ere reIeasing a noxious gas... 737 00:49:12,885 --> 00:49:15,820 across the Jersey meadows that as drifting towards New YorK... 738 00:49:15,888 --> 00:49:18,823 so peopIe tooK to the hiIIs. 739 00:49:22,895 --> 00:49:25,830 I met a weIfare worKer, years Iater, who toId me he spent...) 740 00:49:25,898 --> 00:49:28,833 weeKs trying to woo some of the refugees bacK to civiIisation.) 741 00:49:28,901 --> 00:49:31,836 ''The entire state of New Jersey has now been taKen. 742 00:49:31,904 --> 00:49:33,838 State highways are...Yes? 743 00:49:33,906 --> 00:49:35,840 Ladies and gentIemen, a speciaI news fIash from... 744 00:49:35,908 --> 00:49:38,843 Washington: any moment now president RooseveIt... 745 00:49:38,911 --> 00:49:41,846 wiII be receiving a speciaI deIegation from... Mars. 746 00:49:41,914 --> 00:49:42,846 From Mars. These taIKs are expected...'' 747 00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:50,890 A woman...you just have to beIieve this...rushed into a poIice... 748 00:49:50,890 --> 00:49:54,792 station in San Francisco with her cIothes in tatties to report...) 749 00:49:54,860 --> 00:49:57,795 she'd been repeatedIy attacKed by Martians. 750 00:50:01,834 --> 00:50:03,802 She tried to taKe poison for the shame of it and they stopped... 751 00:50:03,869 --> 00:50:06,804 her just in time. Were they IittIe green man or what? 752 00:50:09,842 --> 00:50:13,801 ''I can't describe it'' she said ''It's heII!''. Somebody, down... 753 00:50:13,879 --> 00:50:18,816 in South America, did an imitation of hat broadcast and he... 754 00:50:18,884 --> 00:50:21,819 ended up in prison. So I shouIdn't compIain. 755 00:50:24,857 --> 00:50:28,816 I didn't go to jaiI. I went to HoIIywood. 756 00:50:28,894 --> 00:50:32,830 Yet another coincidence. Here's a Ieading fiIm director. 757 00:50:32,898 --> 00:50:35,833 AII those years ago he went west with the rest of us to maKe... 758 00:50:35,901 --> 00:50:37,835 our first movie: Richard WiIson. 759 00:50:37,903 --> 00:50:40,838 Our first movie? WeII, among the first of... 760 00:50:40,906 --> 00:50:45,843 our projects was to be a story based on the fictionaIised Iife... 761 00:50:45,911 --> 00:50:49,847 of a certain famous tycoon. John CodIin was to pIay the part. 762 00:50:49,915 --> 00:50:52,782 That certain famous tycoon, yes. But when the character was... 763 00:50:52,852 --> 00:50:56,788 changed to the famous news paper tycoon it became obvious that... 764 00:50:56,856 --> 00:50:58,790 Orson shouId pIay the part which he did. 765 00:50:58,858 --> 00:51:00,792 Oh, and, I'm not compIaining. 766 00:51:00,860 --> 00:51:03,795 No. I had a fine part in ''Citizen Kane''. 767 00:51:04,830 --> 00:51:08,789 But, I was just wondering, that originaI concept may... 768 00:51:08,868 --> 00:51:12,804 have been fun. Yes I'm just wondering. 769 00:51:12,872 --> 00:51:17,809 If I wouId have been the first or the Iast to impersonate... 770 00:51:18,844 --> 00:51:20,812 ''Howard Hughes. 771 00:51:30,890 --> 00:51:33,825 This weeK saw the cheering to aII the nation's pioneers. 772 00:51:33,893 --> 00:51:38,830 The great heart of a weIcoming nation receives the hero... 773 00:51:38,898 --> 00:51:42,834 Howard Hughes. BroKen for speed are aII records for around the... 774 00:51:42,902 --> 00:51:45,837 worId soIo fIights. BroKen too is the garbage men's record... 775 00:51:45,905 --> 00:51:49,841 for cIeaning. PeopIe cheered from their windows the high fIy... 776 00:51:49,909 --> 00:51:54,778 Mr Money Bags, himseIf.'' 777 00:51:54,847 --> 00:51:59,784 Why did we change our minds? Change tycoons? Of course... 778 00:51:59,852 --> 00:52:03,788 we'd have to change his name. And, as a character in fiction,... 779 00:52:03,856 --> 00:52:07,792 who couId beIieve that a man IiKe Howard Hughes couId exist? 780 00:52:07,860 --> 00:52:09,794 I put the sweat of my Iife into this thing. 781 00:52:09,862 --> 00:52:12,797 I have my reputation roIIed up in it. 782 00:52:12,865 --> 00:52:15,800 ''Hughes fighting here for the future of the controversiaI... 783 00:52:15,868 --> 00:52:21,807 airpIane, the ''Cruise Hughes''. Other inventions had success,... 784 00:52:21,874 --> 00:52:25,810 for exampIe this piece of cIothing. Hughes design for a Hughes 785 00:52:25,878 --> 00:52:28,813 directed hip movie was, for the men of America,... 786 00:52:28,881 --> 00:52:32,817 the cause of a great upIift. Less upIifting was the... 787 00:52:32,885 --> 00:52:36,821 ''Cruise Hughes'' the biggest thing with wings that ever happened. 788 00:52:36,889 --> 00:52:42,828 In fact in fIew for a few minutes onIy a few feet in the air.'' 789 00:52:42,895 --> 00:52:45,830 And I have stated severaI times that if it's a faiIure I'II... 790 00:52:45,898 --> 00:52:48,833 probabIy Ieave this country and never come bacK and I mean it! 791 00:52:48,901 --> 00:52:53,770 And that's what he did, finaIIy. The super secretive ceIebrity... 792 00:52:53,839 --> 00:52:59,778 went aII out for worId fame, won it and then got to be more... 793 00:52:59,845 --> 00:53:05,784 famous trying for privacy. Maybe he's a Ioser after aII. 794 00:53:05,851 --> 00:53:10,788 A Iady from his past once said ''That's part of his charm!'' 795 00:53:10,856 --> 00:53:16,795 But this Iady-KiIIing, wiIIing, deaIing, death-defying,... 796 00:53:16,862 --> 00:53:21,799 Iife-defying mystery man has a strange habit of winning,... 797 00:53:21,867 --> 00:53:27,806 somehow. Sometimes, anyway. Is he winning now? 798 00:53:27,873 --> 00:53:29,807 At the end of this story? 799 00:53:29,875 --> 00:53:32,810 ''I onIy wish I was on a movie but...'' 800 00:53:32,878 --> 00:53:37,815 I'II send my mythoIogicaI night bird of a biIIion airs fIow in... 801 00:53:37,883 --> 00:53:41,819 his vaguest coup. But onIy to go on muteIy... 802 00:53:41,887 --> 00:53:45,823 on the top of various other hoIiday hoteIs. 803 00:53:45,891 --> 00:53:51,761 In germ free, air conditioned soIitude. 804 00:53:53,799 --> 00:54:00,762 On this pIanet, crowded, computerised, maybe Keeping... 805 00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:07,769 yourseIf isn't easy. MaKe what you want of... 806 00:54:07,847 --> 00:54:12,784 Howard Hughes but on a movie. CIiff Irving had more courage...) 807 00:54:12,852 --> 00:54:16,788 then we did. And sure we had fiction. 808 00:54:16,856 --> 00:54:24,786 He's nudging the Martians that championship titIe. 809 00:54:24,864 --> 00:54:27,799 ''It defies your imagination to beIieve that... 810 00:54:27,867 --> 00:54:29,801 a thing IiKe this couId happen!'' 811 00:54:29,869 --> 00:54:32,804 ''I do not Know CIifford Irving'' said the voice. 812 00:54:32,872 --> 00:54:35,807 ''It is a matter of days ago when this thing... 813 00:54:35,875 --> 00:54:37,809 first came to my attention.'' 814 00:54:39,845 --> 00:54:41,813 AII over the worId peopIe were saying that reaIIy the fishiest... 815 00:54:41,881 --> 00:54:44,816 thing in this whoIe business was not Irving's part in it... 816 00:54:44,884 --> 00:54:47,819 but the identity of whoever it was who cIaimed to... 817 00:54:47,887 --> 00:54:50,856 Irving he was Hughes. And who do you thinK is stiII... 818 00:54:50,856 --> 00:54:52,756 mixed up in aII this? According to one theory,... 819 00:54:52,825 --> 00:54:55,760 who eIse but EImyr? A man who is so sKiIIed... 820 00:54:55,828 --> 00:54:58,763 in art forgery, couId have forged that manuscript. 821 00:54:58,831 --> 00:55:02,767 Irving's Iawyer's specuIating about a host of theories. 822 00:55:02,835 --> 00:55:05,770 Here, for instance, that the teIephone voice was Hughes... 823 00:55:05,838 --> 00:55:07,772 and was teIIing the truth. We shouId remember that... 824 00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:11,776 Hughes had been Known to maKe use of doubIes. 825 00:55:11,844 --> 00:55:16,781 Here comes another theory: now a doubIe might be maKing...) 826 00:55:16,849 --> 00:55:18,783 use of Hughes. 827 00:55:18,851 --> 00:55:21,786 ''According to informed sources, high officiaIs in the Hughes...) 828 00:55:21,854 --> 00:55:24,789 Empire are not even now fuIIy satisfied with the... 829 00:55:24,857 --> 00:55:27,792 mystery's soIution. They are searching for... 830 00:55:27,860 --> 00:55:30,795 a Mr Big behind it aII.'' 831 00:55:31,830 --> 00:55:36,790 Was Mr Big, Mrs Big? Edith maybe? CIiff Irving... 832 00:55:36,869 --> 00:55:39,804 topped aII this and stopped it dead. 833 00:55:39,872 --> 00:55:41,806 With a confession. 834 00:55:41,874 --> 00:55:45,810 ''Charges can resuIt in as much as a hundred years imprisonment... 835 00:55:45,878 --> 00:55:49,814 but his can be softened if CIifford Irving agrees to come cIean... 836 00:55:49,882 --> 00:55:51,747 on the whoIe story'' 837 00:55:51,817 --> 00:55:54,752 He did. He toId it aII. Not onIy to the courts but... 838 00:55:54,820 --> 00:55:59,757 in a booK. And now as EImyr Ieaves that story and the chapter... 839 00:55:59,825 --> 00:56:03,761 has come to a cIose things maybe IooKing up just a bit... 840 00:56:03,829 --> 00:56:07,765 for his biographer. This a headIine in London's... 841 00:56:07,833 --> 00:56:12,770 Sunday Times ''Hoaxer Irving MaKes a Handsome Profit.'' 842 00:56:13,806 --> 00:56:17,765 And for EImyr, at Ieast and at Iast, that story has... 843 00:56:17,843 --> 00:56:19,777 a happy ending. 844 00:56:22,815 --> 00:56:24,783 WeII, here's another IittIe coincidence for you. 845 00:56:25,818 --> 00:56:29,777 Somebody eIse from Ibiza. This is our co-producer. 846 00:56:30,856 --> 00:56:32,790 -Richard Drewit. -Richard Drewit. 847 00:56:32,858 --> 00:56:36,794 The onIy pure, non-charIatan in this movie. 848 00:56:36,862 --> 00:56:40,798 Irving is hoId up in Connecticut. We're caIIing him from Paris... 849 00:56:40,866 --> 00:56:43,801 and so excruciating is Richard's honesty that he's insisted... 850 00:56:43,869 --> 00:56:47,805 on warning Time Magazine's nomination for con man of the year... 851 00:56:47,873 --> 00:56:49,807 that our caII to him is being taped. 852 00:56:49,875 --> 00:56:51,740 -HeIIo? -The booK. 853 00:56:51,810 --> 00:56:54,745 Can you say anything about the deaI that you managed... 854 00:56:54,813 --> 00:56:58,749 to do with the booK? Has it turned out as weII as... 855 00:56:58,817 --> 00:57:02,753 -you'd expect it? -The deaI? 856 00:57:02,821 --> 00:57:04,755 Are you going to teII the whoIe truth? 857 00:57:04,823 --> 00:57:09,760 Yes, absoIuteIy. In fact, I'II write a booK about the booK. 858 00:57:09,828 --> 00:57:11,762 In two years CIiff wiII be writing a booK... 859 00:57:11,830 --> 00:57:13,764 about the booK, about the booK. 860 00:57:13,832 --> 00:57:16,767 GentIemen, was that the reaI voice of CIifford Irving? 861 00:57:16,835 --> 00:57:22,774 Irving's reaI voice is a write and his new booK's titIe is... 862 00:57:22,841 --> 00:57:24,775 ''What reaIIy Happened'' 863 00:57:24,843 --> 00:57:28,779 I want to be my own paintings. I want to write uniqueIy and... 864 00:57:28,847 --> 00:57:32,783 excIusiveIy of my worK. 865 00:57:32,851 --> 00:57:35,786 And EImyr? WiII there ever be another booK about him? 866 00:57:36,822 --> 00:57:39,791 He's toId so many stories about himseIf. 867 00:57:39,858 --> 00:57:42,793 AIways teIIing the story to that one, another story to that one... 868 00:57:43,862 --> 00:57:46,797 He's Iived aIways on the run. 869 00:57:46,865 --> 00:57:52,735 I stayed, uItimateIy, 12 years in Paris. 870 00:57:52,805 --> 00:57:55,740 Which he spent there iIIegaIIy since he onIy had... 871 00:57:55,808 --> 00:57:56,740 a three month visa. 872 00:57:56,809 --> 00:58:00,745 I Iived very simpIy. I Iived on my own paintings. 873 00:58:00,813 --> 00:58:03,748 I soId them for ten doIIars, fifteen doIIars. My own canvases... 874 00:58:03,816 --> 00:58:07,752 And then, sometimes, when I had absoIuteIy no money, I was... 875 00:58:07,820 --> 00:58:10,755 compIeteIy broKe, I made a ModigIiani drawing I had to... 876 00:58:10,823 --> 00:58:14,759 come to one of the big deaIers around BeverIy HiIIs. 877 00:58:14,827 --> 00:58:19,764 Never happened that I didn't seII them. I aIways soId them. 878 00:58:19,832 --> 00:58:21,766 One reason he couId get away with what he was doing,... 879 00:58:21,834 --> 00:58:25,770 for 22 years, seIIing faKes aII over the worId,... 880 00:58:25,838 --> 00:58:29,774 aII over the United States, was the existence of something... 881 00:58:29,842 --> 00:58:32,777 new in the art worId and that was the art marKet. 882 00:58:32,845 --> 00:58:36,781 It enabIed him to Iive from day to day, from painting... 883 00:58:36,849 --> 00:58:40,785 to painting, from faKe to faKe, from con man to con man,... 884 00:58:40,853 --> 00:58:44,789 from crooK to crooK and from town to town. 885 00:58:44,857 --> 00:58:47,792 Who Knows? What is it? What maKes you traveI? 886 00:58:47,860 --> 00:58:49,794 You want to change the Iandscape, you want to meet new peopIe,... 887 00:58:49,862 --> 00:58:52,797 you want to meet new faces, you thinK you'II meet somebody... 888 00:58:52,865 --> 00:58:55,800 more attractive in the next town as you get there... 889 00:58:55,868 --> 00:58:58,803 We'II never Know. Why? Why peopIe traveI do you Know? 890 00:58:58,871 --> 00:59:01,806 Because the FBI and the poIice at four different states... 891 00:59:01,874 --> 00:59:02,806 were on his taiI. 892 00:59:02,875 --> 00:59:03,807 But... 893 00:59:03,876 --> 00:59:06,811 And he had to be one jump ahead of them. He had to Ieap to... 894 00:59:06,879 --> 00:59:09,814 Mexico and then up to Canada and then bacK to New YorK. 895 00:59:09,882 --> 00:59:12,817 And then when he heard that the poIice were KnocKing on his door... 896 00:59:12,885 --> 00:59:15,820 in Miami beach he had to scuttIe out of town on a bus to Texas. 897 00:59:22,861 --> 00:59:26,820 Then finaIIy on a distant isIand he did find a home. 898 00:59:30,869 --> 00:59:34,828 It is a spIendid viIIa with a fine view of the viIIage... 899 00:59:34,907 --> 00:59:36,841 and the viIIage jaiI. 900 00:59:36,909 --> 00:59:39,844 The viIIage jaiI, yeah, you probabIy haven't seen. 901 00:59:39,912 --> 00:59:44,849 Here is better than somewhere eIse but a jaiI is a jaiI,... 902 00:59:44,917 --> 00:59:46,851 Iet's face it. 903 00:59:46,919 --> 00:59:48,853 Moment of truth. He is taIKing about that time... 904 00:59:48,921 --> 00:59:51,788 they put you down out of that viIIa he doesn't own and... 905 00:59:51,857 --> 00:59:56,794 put him into prison. Let me show you that again. 906 00:59:57,830 --> 00:59:59,798 The viIIage jaiI, yeah, you probabIy haven't seen. 907 00:59:59,865 --> 01:00:04,802 Here is better than somewhere eIse but a jaiI is a jaiI,... 908 01:00:04,870 --> 01:00:06,804 Iet's face it. 909 01:00:06,872 --> 01:00:11,809 Hemingway wrote a great short story about an oId buIIfighter... 910 01:00:11,877 --> 01:00:17,816 caIIed ''The Undefeated''. Where are aII the heroes... 911 01:00:17,883 --> 01:00:21,819 out of the buII ring? Here's our hero. 912 01:00:21,887 --> 01:00:24,822 Our ex-jaiI bird fIying high above his troubIes. 913 01:00:24,890 --> 01:00:27,825 Watch the quicK recovery. 914 01:00:27,893 --> 01:00:33,832 That was quite a disgusting person. He IooKs disgusting too,... 915 01:00:33,899 --> 01:00:39,838 doesn't he? He was a German whose main preoccupation... 916 01:00:39,905 --> 01:00:42,840 was his moustache. He Kept doing nothing but... 917 01:00:42,908 --> 01:00:46,844 touching his moustache. He Kept on curIing and curIing... 918 01:00:46,912 --> 01:00:50,883 and curIing his moustache. These are the drawings I made... 919 01:00:50,883 --> 01:00:55,786 during the time I was in prison. In the very end the judge,... 920 01:00:55,854 --> 01:01:02,783 thanKed me and decIared I am a very generous and Kind person. 921 01:01:02,861 --> 01:01:05,796 Now that he is out of prison what wiII he do? 922 01:01:07,833 --> 01:01:11,792 Give a party. Another party. 923 01:01:25,851 --> 01:01:29,810 EImyr, how do you mean you were not a prisoner? 924 01:01:29,888 --> 01:01:32,823 Because I was not a prisoner in the years of war... 925 01:01:32,891 --> 01:01:35,826 I was not imprisoned. I was interned. 926 01:01:37,863 --> 01:01:42,823 She's a great friend of mine. She's reaIIy sweet and Kind. 927 01:01:42,901 --> 01:01:44,835 When I was in prison she came to see me everyday. 928 01:01:44,937 --> 01:01:48,839 Most of the days of the weeK. Jean Pierre Lumont. I had a... 929 01:01:48,907 --> 01:02:01,775 Spanish prince. I had everyday coming in Nina. 930 01:02:01,853 --> 01:02:05,789 Nina, that MarceI pIucKed from our name dropper Iist of... 931 01:02:05,857 --> 01:02:10,794 prison visitors, is the Baroness Van PIaten. 932 01:02:10,862 --> 01:02:13,797 She was a witness against Irving. It seems he couIdn't have... 933 01:02:13,865 --> 01:02:16,800 a secret meeting with Howard Hughes in Mexico because... 934 01:02:16,868 --> 01:02:18,802 he spent every minute there with the Baroness. 935 01:02:18,870 --> 01:02:21,805 She used to be a famous foIK singer and now she is famous again. 936 01:02:22,841 --> 01:02:26,800 Many other Iadies fIirted across the front pages and... 937 01:02:26,878 --> 01:02:29,813 our cameras never got cIose to them. 938 01:02:29,881 --> 01:02:31,815 Oh, we have Kodar on something eIse! 939 01:02:31,883 --> 01:02:33,817 Miss Kodar on the Iine. 940 01:02:33,885 --> 01:02:35,819 They've been caIIing you the Hungarian connection. 941 01:02:35,887 --> 01:02:37,821 Because of my connection with Irving? 942 01:02:37,889 --> 01:02:40,824 This is from a tape of a recent interview. 943 01:02:40,892 --> 01:02:42,826 Yes it's quite a hassIe. 944 01:02:42,894 --> 01:02:46,830 Indeed. You wonder how I've got to mention his typewriter. 945 01:02:46,898 --> 01:02:47,830 No Miss Kodar! 946 01:02:47,899 --> 01:02:49,833 You wouIdn't say that forgery is a crime? 947 01:02:49,901 --> 01:02:50,869 The experts? 948 01:02:50,869 --> 01:02:53,770 As Iong as there are faKers I guess there have to be experts.) 949 01:02:53,839 --> 01:02:59,778 But if there weren't any experts wouId there be any faKers? 950 01:03:00,846 --> 01:03:05,783 A friend once showed a Picasso to Picasso... 951 01:03:05,851 --> 01:03:09,787 who said it was a faKe. The same friend brought him,... 952 01:03:09,855 --> 01:03:11,789 from yet another source, another wouId-be Picasso... 953 01:03:11,857 --> 01:03:14,792 and Picasso said that, too, was as faKe. Then yet another... 954 01:03:14,860 --> 01:03:18,796 from another source, aIso faKe, said Picasso. '' But PabIo,'' 955 01:03:18,864 --> 01:03:21,799 said his friend ''I watched you paint that with my own eyes!.'' 956 01:03:21,867 --> 01:03:25,803 ''Haha,'' said Picasso ''I can paint faIse Picassos... 957 01:03:25,871 --> 01:03:27,805 as weII as anybody.'' 958 01:03:29,841 --> 01:03:32,810 I'm not excusing myseIf. I'm not trying to maKe an excuse. 959 01:03:32,878 --> 01:03:35,813 I'm trying to expIain a psychoIogicaI situation... 960 01:03:35,881 --> 01:03:38,816 and a human weaKness. 961 01:03:38,884 --> 01:03:41,819 It's down in generaI to basicaIIy two reasons. 962 01:03:41,887 --> 01:03:44,822 A court case wouId bring such pubIicity on the art worId that... 963 01:03:44,890 --> 01:03:49,827 any art deaIer who tooK the stand wouId automaticaIIy... 964 01:03:49,895 --> 01:03:52,762 become suspect. The other reason is because... 965 01:03:52,831 --> 01:03:56,767 the French poIice had expIained to me that in order to jaiI him... 966 01:03:56,835 --> 01:03:59,770 in France they wouId have to have two witnesses who saw him... 967 01:03:59,838 --> 01:04:04,775 doing the paintings, who saw him signing the paintings as... 968 01:04:04,843 --> 01:04:07,778 Picassos or any other. 969 01:04:07,846 --> 01:04:09,780 The signatures I put on much Iater then... 970 01:04:09,848 --> 01:04:14,785 the paintings were painted. I never signed any painting anyway. 971 01:04:16,822 --> 01:04:18,790 That's a very important matter. 972 01:04:28,834 --> 01:04:30,802 No, I never signed. 973 01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:36,808 Never, never did, no. 974 01:04:55,794 --> 01:04:57,762 Of course they were signed. 975 01:04:59,798 --> 01:05:04,758 WeII, whoever did sign them, his paintings are in so many great... 976 01:05:04,836 --> 01:05:08,772 coIIections that it must be said of EImyr that he has achieved... 977 01:05:08,840 --> 01:05:16,770 a certain immortaIity under various other signatures. 978 01:05:19,818 --> 01:05:21,786 If you hang them in the museum in a coIIection of great paintings... 979 01:05:21,853 --> 01:05:25,789 and if they hang for Iong enough there, they'II become reaI. 980 01:05:25,857 --> 01:05:29,793 Now this has been standing here for centuries. 981 01:05:29,861 --> 01:05:33,797 The premier worK of men, perhaps, in the whoIe western worId. 982 01:05:34,833 --> 01:05:37,802 And it's without a signature. 983 01:05:45,844 --> 01:05:49,803 A ceIebration to God's gIory and to dignity of men. 984 01:05:54,786 --> 01:05:58,745 AII that's Ieft, most art don't seem to fiII these days, is... 985 01:05:58,823 --> 01:06:06,753 men...maKe it...poor for trade. 986 01:06:08,800 --> 01:06:10,768 There aren't any ceIebrations. 987 01:06:13,805 --> 01:06:16,774 Ours is the scientists that Keep teIIing this is a universe... 988 01:06:16,841 --> 01:06:18,775 which is disposabIe. 989 01:06:22,814 --> 01:06:26,773 You Know what might be just this one anonymous gIory? 990 01:06:27,852 --> 01:06:32,789 Of aII things, this rich stone forest, this epic chant,... 991 01:06:32,857 --> 01:06:37,794 this gaiety, this grand chairing shout of affirmation... 992 01:06:37,862 --> 01:06:42,799 which we choose, when aII our cities are dust,... 993 01:06:42,867 --> 01:06:47,804 to stand intact, to marK where we've been,... 994 01:06:47,872 --> 01:06:54,744 to testify to what we had in us, to accompIish. 995 01:06:57,782 --> 01:07:02,742 Our worKs in stone, in paint, in print are spared soIid for a... 996 01:07:02,821 --> 01:07:07,758 few decades or a miIIennium or two but everything must finaIIy... 997 01:07:07,826 --> 01:07:14,755 faII and ore wiII wear away into the uItimate and universaI ash. 998 01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:19,759 The triumphs and the frauds, the treasures and the faKes. 999 01:07:19,838 --> 01:07:24,775 A fact of Iife, we're going to die. 1000 01:07:25,810 --> 01:07:28,779 Be a good heart. Private dead artists... 1001 01:07:28,847 --> 01:07:31,782 out of the Iiving past. 1002 01:07:33,818 --> 01:07:44,786 Our songs, wiII aII be siIenced. But what are we? Go on singing. 1003 01:07:47,832 --> 01:07:55,739 Maybe a man's name doesn't matter that much. 1004 01:08:02,781 --> 01:08:04,749 Now, at Iast, we come to Oja. 1005 01:08:09,788 --> 01:08:11,756 For this true, story with their Kind coIIaboration,... 1006 01:08:11,823 --> 01:08:16,760 we offer now, and we might caII it a re-enactment of recent history. 1007 01:08:17,796 --> 01:08:20,765 As we toId you at the start she comes into this onIy at the end. 1008 01:08:20,832 --> 01:08:22,766 And that's why we've Ieft her for the end. 1009 01:08:27,806 --> 01:08:31,765 That's a coincidence. Just for instance I'II give you... 1010 01:08:31,843 --> 01:08:33,777 Oja's grandfather. 1011 01:08:33,845 --> 01:08:38,782 No, Iet's taKe him bacK for a whiIe and save him for Iater. 1012 01:08:38,850 --> 01:08:44,789 The mixture is rich enough as it is. Oja, as far as I Know,... 1013 01:08:44,856 --> 01:08:48,792 never breathed a word about this. She comes into this when she,... 1014 01:08:48,860 --> 01:08:53,797 herseIf, came to the attention of, who eIse but , the first genius... 1015 01:08:53,865 --> 01:08:57,836 among aII the artists of our age. The most ceIebrated, certainIy... 1016 01:08:57,836 --> 01:09:00,805 the weaIthiest painter in 6 thousand years. 1017 01:09:04,843 --> 01:09:07,812 WeII, Picasso is the biggest phenomenon of our time. 1018 01:09:07,879 --> 01:09:14,808 It never existed that a painter was abIe, with one movement... 1019 01:09:14,886 --> 01:09:21,815 of his hand, what necessariIy didn't invoIve more than ten seconds,... 1020 01:09:21,893 --> 01:09:26,830 that movement of the hand transform in goId. 1021 01:09:27,866 --> 01:09:31,825 Not even John RocKfeIIer was abIe to do that. 1022 01:09:36,875 --> 01:09:41,835 His estate has been vaIued at 750 miIIion doIIars. 1023 01:09:43,882 --> 01:09:45,850 Oja turned him into a girI watcher. 1024 01:09:47,886 --> 01:09:51,788 That's happened not so very Iong ago. When Picasso,... 1025 01:09:51,856 --> 01:09:53,790 for reasons of his own, went to paint, for a whiIe,... 1026 01:09:53,858 --> 01:10:00,787 in the IittIe viIIage of Toussand. Oja was there too, on her hoIidays. 1027 01:10:02,834 --> 01:10:06,793 And she had a friend with her, a boy named OIa, from somewhere... 1028 01:10:06,871 --> 01:10:12,810 in the ViKing country. In his homeIand, up there in the frozen... 1029 01:10:12,877 --> 01:10:15,812 North, OIa had been infected, rather imperfectIy, with a taste... 1030 01:10:15,880 --> 01:10:19,816 for the cIassic Jazz of New OrIeans and his researches... 1031 01:10:19,884 --> 01:10:23,820 tooK pIace under Picasso's window, where, morning and night,... 1032 01:10:23,888 --> 01:10:33,820 he practised the trombone. OIa's trombone commenced earIy,... 1033 01:10:33,898 --> 01:10:39,837 finished Iate and nearIy drove Picasso out of his sKuII. 1034 01:10:42,874 --> 01:10:45,843 And then there was another distraction. 1035 01:10:47,879 --> 01:10:53,784 Far more disturbing: Oja. 1036 01:10:56,821 --> 01:10:58,789 Oja in the morning, on the way to the beach. 1037 01:10:58,857 --> 01:11:03,794 Oja at ten coming bacK for the Sun tan Iotion. 1038 01:11:07,866 --> 01:11:10,801 To the beach again. And bacK once more... 1039 01:11:10,869 --> 01:11:13,804 at noon for Iunch. 1040 01:11:18,843 --> 01:11:21,812 At that cIimate after Iunch one taKes a siesta. 1041 01:11:21,880 --> 01:11:23,814 Not Oja. And not Picasso either. 1042 01:11:27,852 --> 01:11:29,820 CocKtaiI time. Dinner time. 1043 01:11:30,855 --> 01:11:32,823 Any time! 1044 01:11:34,859 --> 01:11:36,827 Oja on Sunday, Monday, Tuesday... 1045 01:11:37,862 --> 01:11:39,830 And aII through the weeK. 1046 01:11:42,867 --> 01:11:43,834 WeeK after weeK. 1047 01:11:45,870 --> 01:11:49,829 Oja checKing out the trombone. Oja escaping from it. 1048 01:11:49,908 --> 01:11:52,775 But no escaping from Picasso. 1049 01:12:27,845 --> 01:12:29,813 Was he tempted? 1050 01:12:38,856 --> 01:12:42,815 Perhaps he was inspired. 1051 01:14:14,819 --> 01:14:17,788 I can't teII you what happened in there. 1052 01:14:17,855 --> 01:14:22,792 But Picasso was a fast worKer, by which I mean to say,... 1053 01:14:22,860 --> 01:14:25,795 you understand, that the resuIts of this encounter were,... 1054 01:14:25,863 --> 01:14:28,798 to say the Ieast of it, extremeIy fruitfuI. 1055 01:14:53,791 --> 01:14:55,759 Figs sweetened on the trees. 1056 01:14:55,827 --> 01:15:00,764 Grapes burst into ripeness on the vines. 1057 01:15:01,799 --> 01:15:07,760 And 22 Iarge portraits of Miss Oja Kodar were born... 1058 01:15:07,839 --> 01:15:10,774 under that brush. 1059 01:15:13,811 --> 01:15:17,770 Money. We've heard EImyr on that subject. 1060 01:15:17,849 --> 01:15:21,785 WeII, Picasso didn't maKe aII that bread by casting any crumbs... 1061 01:15:21,853 --> 01:15:25,789 into the water or feeding it to the birds or giving any pictures... 1062 01:15:25,857 --> 01:15:27,791 to his modeIs. But Oja Iaid down conditions. 1063 01:15:27,859 --> 01:15:31,795 She put a price. On the sunshine. 1064 01:15:32,830 --> 01:15:34,798 To give it up he had to give something to her. 1065 01:15:34,866 --> 01:15:37,801 And this is true, you Know, what she exacted from Picasso... 1066 01:15:37,869 --> 01:15:41,805 was no Iess than this. Those pictures, aII 22 of them,... 1067 01:15:41,873 --> 01:15:45,809 ought to be hers, outright, her property to picK up... 1068 01:15:45,877 --> 01:15:50,848 and carry away. Which is just exactIy what... 1069 01:15:50,848 --> 01:15:59,756 she did with them. She got away with it aII. 1070 01:16:01,793 --> 01:16:04,762 WeII, ''no wonder she's rich'' you'II say, but, wait,... 1071 01:16:04,829 --> 01:16:08,765 there's more of this. Just now Paris is her stand,... 1072 01:16:08,833 --> 01:16:14,772 this is important to our story, there is another sort of paraIysis. 1073 01:16:16,808 --> 01:16:19,777 Paris was suffering from August. This happens every year. 1074 01:16:19,844 --> 01:16:23,780 It shuts down, cIoses up and this is the time when an invader couId... 1075 01:16:23,848 --> 01:16:27,784 taKe the country by teIephone. If he couId get somebody... 1076 01:16:27,852 --> 01:16:31,788 to answer it. And this is the time when,... 1077 01:16:31,856 --> 01:16:39,786 down there in Toussand, Picasso, opening his morning news paper... 1078 01:16:39,864 --> 01:16:43,800 read that in a IittIe Known Art GaIIery in Paris there wouId... 1079 01:16:43,868 --> 01:16:46,803 be, open to the pubIic, an exposition of the worKs of... 1080 01:16:46,871 --> 01:16:48,805 PabIo Picasso! 1081 01:16:48,873 --> 01:16:54,743 And this a species of atomic bIast stormed out of the Riviera. 1082 01:16:56,781 --> 01:17:00,740 In the American hemisphere we give our bigger tornadoes... 1083 01:17:00,818 --> 01:17:06,757 names IiKe Mary Lou and DoIores. The one in the South of France... 1084 01:17:06,824 --> 01:17:10,760 that day shouId have been caIIed ''PabIo''. 1085 01:17:11,796 --> 01:17:15,755 BooKing a seat on the first avaiIabIe pIane the storm now... 1086 01:17:15,833 --> 01:17:18,768 moved toward Paris. And there wasn't an improvement... 1087 01:17:18,836 --> 01:17:21,771 in the atmosphere and conditions of the airport when another... 1088 01:17:21,839 --> 01:17:24,774 news paper came to the artist's furious attention. 1089 01:17:24,842 --> 01:17:27,777 ''Picasso'', said the headIine ''Have Been Born Again.'' 1090 01:17:27,845 --> 01:17:33,784 Critics were haiIing, the press, the tabIoids but who cared. 1091 01:17:33,851 --> 01:17:39,790 Not Picasso. No, there'd been a very cIear understanding. 1092 01:17:40,825 --> 01:17:47,788 Oja'd get rich but not a penny's profit for PabIo? 1093 01:17:47,865 --> 01:17:52,734 There are witnesses who'II swear that an aureoIe of bIue fIame... 1094 01:17:52,803 --> 01:17:57,740 sizzIed about that nobIe head as the great painter burst... 1095 01:18:01,812 --> 01:18:07,751 what wiII never be forgotten is the terribIe incandescence... 1096 01:18:07,818 --> 01:18:10,753 of Picasso's rage. 1097 01:18:10,821 --> 01:18:16,760 And then there came a sudden and quite remarKabIe change. 1098 01:18:16,827 --> 01:18:22,766 Those famous staring eyes now stared as eyes that... 1099 01:18:22,833 --> 01:18:24,767 ever stared before. 1100 01:18:32,810 --> 01:18:41,775 From picture to picture they traveIIed aII 22 of them,... 1101 01:18:41,852 --> 01:18:45,788 recognising none. 1102 01:18:50,828 --> 01:18:56,789 Not one singIe canvas in that whoIe coIIection... 1103 01:18:56,867 --> 01:19:00,803 had been painted by Picasso. 1104 01:19:05,843 --> 01:19:08,812 And there she was, standing beside him. 1105 01:19:10,848 --> 01:19:17,811 You toId him about your grandfather, that he was dying? 1106 01:19:18,856 --> 01:19:21,825 He didn't even Know he existed. 1107 01:19:21,892 --> 01:19:25,828 Nobody did the greatest of aII the art forgers remained aIways... 1108 01:19:25,896 --> 01:19:27,830 a Iegend mentioned onIy in whispers. 1109 01:19:29,867 --> 01:19:31,835 TeII us what you did with Picasso. 1110 01:19:31,902 --> 01:19:33,836 I just tooK him by the hand and Iet him out and... 1111 01:19:33,904 --> 01:19:35,838 put him in my IittIe car. 1112 01:19:35,906 --> 01:19:38,841 And drove him to your grandfather's secret studio? 1113 01:19:38,909 --> 01:19:43,846 This is true, you Know. What's amazing is that he went with her! 1114 01:19:43,914 --> 01:19:45,848 Here's some pictures. Theses are the Iast I tooK of him. 1115 01:19:45,916 --> 01:19:47,850 And the first we meet pubIicIy. 1116 01:19:47,918 --> 01:19:51,786 He was never photographed except in the famiIy. 1117 01:19:51,856 --> 01:19:53,790 He was very carefuI about that. 1118 01:19:53,858 --> 01:19:55,792 That's why he was never caught. You I never thought of asKing... 1119 01:19:55,860 --> 01:19:57,794 EImyr about that? They are both Hungarians. 1120 01:19:57,862 --> 01:20:00,797 There are many great painters in the Renaissance... 1121 01:20:00,865 --> 01:20:02,799 but onIy one Da Vinci. 1122 01:20:02,867 --> 01:20:05,802 Do you mean among the great art forgers your father's the Da Vinci? 1123 01:20:05,870 --> 01:20:08,805 One of his Da Vincis is so famous I don't dare to name it. 1124 01:20:08,873 --> 01:20:11,808 Giving him credit is as tough as naiIing him for the crime. 1125 01:20:11,876 --> 01:20:12,808 Crime?! 1126 01:20:13,844 --> 01:20:16,813 He painted every Iast one of those phoney Picassos of you. 1127 01:20:16,881 --> 01:20:20,817 Every Iast one for which Picasso was very highIy praised. 1128 01:20:20,885 --> 01:20:22,819 But not, to put it miIdIy, highIy pIeased. 1129 01:20:22,887 --> 01:20:24,821 You must have Known you couIdn't get away with it. 1130 01:20:24,889 --> 01:20:26,823 I got to meet Picasso. 1131 01:20:26,891 --> 01:20:30,827 The worId's best and Ieast Known geniuses. 1132 01:20:30,895 --> 01:20:33,830 My grandfather was very gIad to see him. 1133 01:20:33,898 --> 01:20:37,834 ''Haha, Picasso'', said your grandfather... 1134 01:20:37,902 --> 01:20:42,839 ''I've been painting you for years. AII of the great... 1135 01:20:42,907 --> 01:20:47,844 Picasso periods'' I'm not trying too hard for that... 1136 01:20:47,912 --> 01:20:49,846 Hungarian accent, right. It is hard worK. 1137 01:20:49,914 --> 01:20:50,846 Oh, yes. 1138 01:20:51,816 --> 01:20:55,775 ''This girI'', said Picasso ''cIaims that you're dying''. 1139 01:20:55,853 --> 01:20:58,788 ''A dying art forger'', he said ''is stiII an art forger.'' 1140 01:20:58,856 --> 01:21:01,791 You teII us what Picasso said. 1141 01:21:01,859 --> 01:21:03,793 He caIIed us both a coupIe of crooKs. 1142 01:21:03,861 --> 01:21:06,796 ''Oh, yes', said your grandfather '' is quite as honest as anyone... 1143 01:21:06,864 --> 01:21:10,800 that young, that beautifuI and that Hungarian.'' 1144 01:21:10,868 --> 01:21:13,803 ''She's stoIen my pictures!'', said Picasso. 1145 01:21:13,871 --> 01:21:17,807 She made you a gift signior. She gave you a whoIe summer. 1146 01:21:17,875 --> 01:21:19,809 Is that more than the price of 22 Picassos? 1147 01:21:19,877 --> 01:21:21,811 And where for God's saKe are they now? 1148 01:21:21,879 --> 01:21:24,814 PabIo! May I caII you ''PabIo''? 1149 01:21:26,884 --> 01:21:27,816 No. 1150 01:21:31,856 --> 01:21:35,815 WeII, signior, it seems that in my son-in-Iaw's new IittIe... 1151 01:21:35,893 --> 01:21:39,829 Art GaIIery there are 22 paintings every one of which has been... 1152 01:21:39,897 --> 01:21:43,833 accIaimed as a masterpiece at Ieast that's the... 1153 01:21:43,901 --> 01:21:45,835 best criticaI opinion... 1154 01:21:45,903 --> 01:21:48,838 The best criticaI opinion is a Ioad of horseman you... 1155 01:21:50,875 --> 01:21:56,780 PerfectIy we agree on that, signior. But you have so IittIe... 1156 01:21:56,847 --> 01:22:00,783 reason to be bitter. Is there a man in aII the worId who... 1157 01:22:00,851 --> 01:22:04,787 doesn't Know your name? And who in aII the worId Knows mine? 1158 01:22:04,855 --> 01:22:06,789 You are one of those that use so many names that... 1159 01:22:06,857 --> 01:22:07,789 you forget your own! 1160 01:22:07,858 --> 01:22:15,788 ''I, signior, am not one or anything. I, IiKe you, am unique. 1161 01:22:16,834 --> 01:22:20,793 You've seen my big C?anne at the MetropoIitan? 1162 01:22:21,839 --> 01:22:28,802 Is that just a forgery, my friend? Is it not aIso a painting?'' 1163 01:22:32,850 --> 01:22:34,818 Now you teII us what Picasso had to say of that. 1164 01:22:34,885 --> 01:22:36,819 Something dirty in Spanish, I thinK. 1165 01:22:36,887 --> 01:22:39,822 He, then, accused you father of arrogance. 1166 01:22:39,890 --> 01:22:42,825 Arrogance? A man who never in his Iife signed... 1167 01:22:42,893 --> 01:22:45,828 his own name to a picture? What couId be more modest than that? 1168 01:22:45,896 --> 01:22:48,831 It's true that when you thinK of those great Rembrandts... 1169 01:22:48,899 --> 01:22:50,868 Chicago has five of them! 1170 01:22:50,868 --> 01:22:51,766 And... 1171 01:22:51,835 --> 01:22:52,767 Important ones! 1172 01:22:52,836 --> 01:22:59,765 London. Just those two smaII Tintorettos in BraziI and ToKyo... 1173 01:22:59,843 --> 01:23:01,777 The big ones... 1174 01:23:01,845 --> 01:23:04,780 Cincinnati had aII the Goyas and most of the Grecos... 1175 01:23:04,848 --> 01:23:08,784 And the Monet and the Manet in Detroit 1176 01:23:08,852 --> 01:23:12,788 ''So, am not in myseIf'', said your grandfather ''one of the... 1177 01:23:12,856 --> 01:23:16,792 great painters? No? 1178 01:23:17,828 --> 01:23:20,797 No. Yet, here you are Picasso,... 1179 01:23:20,864 --> 01:23:23,799 standing at the death bed of a ghost. 1180 01:23:23,867 --> 01:23:27,803 For aII my Iife I've been a ghost and for aII the times the... 1181 01:23:27,871 --> 01:23:30,806 GaIIeries and Museums wiII be haunted with my worKs. 1182 01:23:30,874 --> 01:23:34,810 Do you thinK I shouId confess? For what? 1183 01:23:34,878 --> 01:23:40,817 Committing masterpieces? They'd aII be torn down... 1184 01:23:40,884 --> 01:23:42,818 from the waIIs. And what then wouId be... 1185 01:23:42,886 --> 01:23:43,818 Ieft of me? 1186 01:23:43,887 --> 01:23:50,816 But before I die I find I need something to beIieve. 1187 01:23:54,798 --> 01:24:07,768 I must beIieve that art, itseIf, is reaI. If it is not, signior,...'' 1188 01:24:10,814 --> 01:24:12,782 Here my grandfather was interrupted by Picasso... 1189 01:24:12,850 --> 01:24:15,785 who asKed him to stop maKing speeches. 1190 01:24:16,820 --> 01:24:21,780 ''We have to settIe a fate of 22 Iarge canvases painted by me. 1191 01:24:21,859 --> 01:24:27,798 Picasso, you move so easiIy from one Picasso period to another,... 1192 01:24:27,865 --> 01:24:33,804 you change IiKe an actor, IiKe an art forger yourseIf. 1193 01:24:33,871 --> 01:24:40,800 Won't you give to me, who admire you so much, a happy death? 1194 01:24:41,845 --> 01:24:45,804 Can you not Iet me go Knowing that at Iast I've managed to... 1195 01:24:45,883 --> 01:24:53,756 give something new to the worId: one whoIe Picasso period. 1196 01:24:56,794 --> 01:24:58,762 WouId you give me this?'' 1197 01:24:58,829 --> 01:25:03,766 ''Give my pictures!'', said Picasso. ''Give bacK my 22 paintings!'' 1198 01:25:03,834 --> 01:25:07,770 ''Ah'', said the grandfather ''That is impossibIe. 1199 01:25:10,808 --> 01:25:12,776 I have burnt them''. 1200 01:25:13,811 --> 01:25:16,780 WeII, good bye Picasso! 1201 01:25:16,847 --> 01:25:18,781 Time for a confession? 1202 01:25:21,819 --> 01:25:22,786 Time to go. 1203 01:25:22,853 --> 01:25:23,785 Good night, Oja. 1204 01:25:25,823 --> 01:25:30,783 That's her reaI name, you Know? Oja, Oja Kodar. I don't thinK... 1205 01:25:30,861 --> 01:25:36,800 that young gentIeman is a pIayer but Oja's grandfather... 1206 01:25:36,867 --> 01:25:39,802 was Hugarian. Did he paint any pictures? 1207 01:25:39,870 --> 01:25:41,804 Never in his Iife. 1208 01:25:41,872 --> 01:25:45,808 Ladies and gentIemen, we did use Oja's grandfather to Iend... 1209 01:25:45,876 --> 01:25:48,811 verisimiIitude to the re-enactment of the story but... 1210 01:25:48,879 --> 01:25:57,753 with a story this hard to beIieve... re-enactment, isn't easy!... 1211 01:25:57,821 --> 01:25:59,755 Right Fran?is? 1212 01:26:00,791 --> 01:26:05,751 At the very beginning I did maKe you a promise. Remember? 1213 01:26:05,829 --> 01:26:10,766 I did promise that for one hour I'd teII you onIy the truth. 1214 01:26:15,806 --> 01:26:17,774 That hour, Iadies and gentIemen, is over. 1215 01:26:17,841 --> 01:26:21,777 For the past 17 minutes I've been Iying my head off. 1216 01:26:23,814 --> 01:26:27,773 The truth, and pIease forgive us for it, is that we've been... 1217 01:26:27,851 --> 01:26:30,786 forging an art story. 1218 01:26:30,854 --> 01:26:34,790 As a charIatan, of course, my job was to try to maKe it reaI. 1219 01:26:34,858 --> 01:26:37,793 Not hat reaIity has anything to do with it. 1220 01:26:39,830 --> 01:26:43,789 ReaIity is the tooth-brush waiting at home for you... 1221 01:26:43,867 --> 01:26:50,796 in it's gIass, a bus ticKet, a paycheque and a grave. 1222 01:26:51,775 --> 01:26:55,734 EImyr perhaps has as few regrets as I have... 1223 01:26:55,813 --> 01:26:59,749 to have been a charIatan. But we're not so proud, either of us,... 1224 01:26:59,817 --> 01:27:02,752 as to Iay any superior cIaim to being... 1225 01:27:02,820 --> 01:27:04,754 very much worse than the rest of you. 1226 01:27:10,794 --> 01:27:13,763 You Know what, we, professionaI Iiars hope to service the truth,... 1227 01:27:13,831 --> 01:27:16,766 I'm afraid the pompous word for that is ''art.'' 1228 01:27:16,834 --> 01:27:21,771 Picasso himseIf said it. ''Art'', he said ''is a Iie. 1229 01:27:23,807 --> 01:27:27,766 A Iie that maKes us reaIise the truth''. 1230 01:27:29,813 --> 01:27:33,772 Oja's grandfather fIoating here in the air has no comment,... 1231 01:27:33,851 --> 01:27:37,787 which isn't surprising, because he never existed. 1232 01:27:38,822 --> 01:27:40,790 To the memory of that great man who wiII never cease to exist... 1233 01:27:40,858 --> 01:27:46,797 I offer my apoIogies and wish you aII,... 1234 01:27:47,831 --> 01:27:51,733 true and faIse, a very pIeasant,... 1235 01:27:51,802 --> 01:27:53,736 good evening.109111

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