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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:21,476 --> 00:00:26,413 [tranquil music playing] 2 00:01:03,518 --> 00:01:06,486 [phil demers] when I was initially called a whistleblower, 3 00:01:06,588 --> 00:01:10,857 It was by an investigative journalist who said, "you'll be a whistleblower." 4 00:01:12,661 --> 00:01:17,397 [soft music playing] 5 00:01:17,499 --> 00:01:22,836 Whistleblower, I blew whistles for years at marineland, 6 00:01:22,938 --> 00:01:27,407 But it was, uh... It was to tel the dolphins to come back to the stage and get their fis. 7 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:40,520 [soft music playing] 8 00:01:50,432 --> 00:01:54,200 [cheering] 9 00:02:00,542 --> 00:02:05,845 I don't do speeches, so I was... I was born a rambling man. 10 00:02:05,947 --> 00:02:07,981 There's a walrus back there. 11 00:02:08,083 --> 00:02:12,552 Her name is smooshi and I gotta get her out of there. 12 00:02:24,499 --> 00:02:27,333 [tranquil music playing] 13 00:02:34,809 --> 00:02:36,543 [bell dings] 14 00:02:37,012 --> 00:02:39,012 [woman 1] ♪ story goes ♪ 15 00:02:40,749 --> 00:02:42,048 ♪ friendship cove ♪ 16 00:02:42,150 --> 00:02:44,984 ♪ everyone loves marineland ♪ 17 00:02:45,086 --> 00:02:48,021 ♪ you'll be spinning, diving and soaring high ♪ 18 00:02:48,123 --> 00:02:52,292 ♪ our roller coaster ride will fly you to the sky ♪ 19 00:02:52,394 --> 00:02:55,428 ♪ now you know what you'll say when you leave here today ♪ 20 00:02:55,530 --> 00:03:00,133 ♪ everyone loves marineland ♪ 21 00:03:00,235 --> 00:03:03,536 Yeah, the words have changed except for the tagline at the end. 22 00:03:03,638 --> 00:03:08,107 ♪ and the sea lions do this and the whales do that ♪ 23 00:03:08,210 --> 00:03:11,878 ♪ everyone loves marineland ♪ 24 00:03:11,980 --> 00:03:15,648 Even when we were kids that song came on and you were so excited, you know, 25 00:03:15,750 --> 00:03:17,450 "oh, I get to go to marineland." 26 00:03:17,552 --> 00:03:20,053 ♪ watching the whales and dolphins play ♪ 27 00:03:20,488 --> 00:03:23,856 It's there all the time and I'm still singing the song. 28 00:03:23,959 --> 00:03:26,960 ♪ everyone loves marineland ♪ 29 00:03:27,062 --> 00:03:32,632 One of the things that made niagara falls more popular 30 00:03:32,734 --> 00:03:36,636 And brought in more families with young children, especially, 31 00:03:36,738 --> 00:03:40,807 Was the opening of marineland in 1961. 32 00:03:40,909 --> 00:03:45,411 [man 1] pick up your free children's passes to marineland and game farm. 33 00:03:49,317 --> 00:03:54,120 The marineland and game farm is open all day, every day 34 00:03:54,222 --> 00:03:59,792 And features a thrilling underwater show starring jeff the seal, trained dolphin, 35 00:03:59,894 --> 00:04:01,794 And an underwater valley. 36 00:04:02,931 --> 00:04:04,097 [water splashes] 37 00:04:04,199 --> 00:04:07,634 [soft music playing] 38 00:04:08,870 --> 00:04:14,240 [phil] I started my job at marineland on, uh, March 11th of the year 2000. 39 00:04:14,342 --> 00:04:16,409 So I was 22-year-old kid. 40 00:04:17,012 --> 00:04:19,212 They had decided that, "hey, let's put phil in the show. 41 00:04:19,314 --> 00:04:21,414 Let's... Let's have him swim with an orca." 42 00:04:21,516 --> 00:04:24,417 And so they called me, they said, "okay, you want to come up front?" 43 00:04:24,519 --> 00:04:26,619 I'm like, "for what?" 44 00:04:26,688 --> 00:04:28,254 They're like, "we'll let... We'll let you know when you get here." 45 00:04:28,356 --> 00:04:29,856 Okay, so I show up, they're like, "put a wetsuit on." 46 00:04:31,192 --> 00:04:33,259 You know, I had no training. 47 00:04:33,361 --> 00:04:35,395 I'd... I'd... I'd all but touched an orca and fed him at this point, 48 00:04:35,497 --> 00:04:39,165 But, yeah, they put me in the water, no experience whatsoever, 49 00:04:39,267 --> 00:04:41,701 I was making 6 dollars and 85 cents an hour 50 00:04:41,803 --> 00:04:47,640 And I was swimming with killer whales, you know, mere months after starting my job. 51 00:04:47,742 --> 00:04:50,710 [tranquil music playing] 52 00:04:50,812 --> 00:04:56,616 [doug draper] I sat down with john in his park one sunny afternoon for an interview. 53 00:04:57,986 --> 00:05:00,353 He looked like a guy that was going around 54 00:05:00,455 --> 00:05:05,024 Just checking to make sure the washroom facilities were working properly. 55 00:05:05,126 --> 00:05:10,496 This is the owner of this tourist empire? 56 00:05:10,598 --> 00:05:13,966 See, he loved walt disney and he would say, "well, disney does it like this." 57 00:05:14,069 --> 00:05:18,638 And john wanted that degree of sophistication and I think he was envious. 58 00:05:18,740 --> 00:05:21,774 [phil] he's an older man, wise, successful, 59 00:05:21,876 --> 00:05:27,513 He felt a bit fatherly and so we had some really powerful interactions. 60 00:05:27,615 --> 00:05:29,682 [doug] he was from slovenia. 61 00:05:29,784 --> 00:05:33,353 He told me that in his younger years while he was still there, 62 00:05:33,455 --> 00:05:37,323 He cut his teeth, uh, training circus animals. 63 00:05:38,426 --> 00:05:40,693 This was his culture. 64 00:05:40,795 --> 00:05:45,531 [upbeat music playing] 65 00:05:50,739 --> 00:05:53,673 [dan long] it was the biggest game in town back then. 66 00:05:53,775 --> 00:05:59,812 On a busy weekend, we would do five-six shows maybe, several thousand people a show. 67 00:06:00,615 --> 00:06:02,248 It's 23.66. 68 00:06:02,350 --> 00:06:04,650 24, 25, 30 and 40 dollars. 69 00:06:04,753 --> 00:06:07,420 [ted salci] marineland was the first of its kind 70 00:06:07,522 --> 00:06:10,089 To hire as many people as it does every year. 71 00:06:10,191 --> 00:06:12,658 I believe about 800 people a year. 72 00:06:12,761 --> 00:06:16,662 Very, very strong commitment to the public in niagara for... For jobs. 73 00:06:16,765 --> 00:06:22,435 And more than half of the hotel rooms are filled in this area because of this attraction. 74 00:06:22,904 --> 00:06:25,972 [man 2] it's been a very special week for us here in marineland, 75 00:06:26,074 --> 00:06:29,942 A week of special thrills and a week of special happiness. 76 00:06:30,512 --> 00:06:36,516 [phil] I got to work with orcas and dolphins and seals and sea lions, 77 00:06:36,618 --> 00:06:42,088 But then there was this low rumbling rumor that we might be getting a walrus 78 00:06:42,190 --> 00:06:45,825 And I'll never forget it because I remember saying, "well, where would we put it? 79 00:06:45,927 --> 00:06:47,593 Like, we don't have a walrus thing." 80 00:06:48,563 --> 00:06:53,199 A couple of days later, we show up to work and there's a baby walrus. 81 00:06:53,935 --> 00:06:58,104 [soft music playing] 82 00:06:58,740 --> 00:07:00,506 "look, she keeps smooshing against me. Look at this. 83 00:07:00,608 --> 00:07:01,941 What do you call this, smooshing? 84 00:07:02,043 --> 00:07:03,843 But she keeps... Look, smooshing." 85 00:07:03,945 --> 00:07:05,978 Uh, her name just became smooshi. 86 00:07:09,684 --> 00:07:14,320 We were undergoing a procedure where we were trying to get blood work done. 87 00:07:14,789 --> 00:07:18,624 So the procedure is that you put the net on the walruses 88 00:07:18,726 --> 00:07:22,695 And then you wrestle them down and then a vet draws the blood. 89 00:07:22,797 --> 00:07:26,165 Smooshi was barking and she's climbing the trainers, 90 00:07:26,267 --> 00:07:30,069 So I sought to move her away from the scene. 91 00:07:30,171 --> 00:07:32,371 All I did was, I'm tapping her... I'm tapping her to get her attention 92 00:07:32,474 --> 00:07:35,475 While she's trying to smash everybody and she looked up at me 93 00:07:35,577 --> 00:07:39,912 And I put my hands in front of her face and she took this big breath 94 00:07:40,014 --> 00:07:45,384 And her nostrils went big and wide and her eyes got big and at that exact moment, 95 00:07:45,487 --> 00:07:48,387 Unbeknownst to me, I don't know this, yet, but I've imprinted on her. 96 00:07:48,490 --> 00:07:52,124 It was this and that was the exact moment, no question, 97 00:07:52,227 --> 00:07:54,460 The window was this big, it happened. 98 00:07:57,799 --> 00:07:59,465 And, in that moment, I became her mom. 99 00:08:02,270 --> 00:08:03,603 Hey, smoosh. 100 00:08:11,212 --> 00:08:14,480 Pretty snow hats. Look at your snow hat, huh? 101 00:08:14,582 --> 00:08:16,849 Look at your snow hat. Look at your snow hat. 102 00:08:18,219 --> 00:08:19,418 That's good. 103 00:08:21,222 --> 00:08:25,858 Hey, walrus, what are you doing? What are you doing, huh? 104 00:08:26,494 --> 00:08:30,663 What are you doing? Okay, that's a good girl. 105 00:08:33,735 --> 00:08:40,473 She was like, uh, just the sweetest and most perfect little... 106 00:08:40,575 --> 00:08:43,209 I guess best described as ball of innocence. 107 00:08:43,311 --> 00:08:45,578 She was... She could just... 108 00:08:45,680 --> 00:08:48,247 And it's not because she's the apple of my eye that she could do no wrong, 109 00:08:48,316 --> 00:08:53,352 It wasn't like that, it was like... She was... She was a brat. 110 00:08:53,454 --> 00:08:56,055 I have more questions and answers about this. 111 00:08:56,157 --> 00:08:59,292 This is really a phenomenon and there is something called imprinting in animals 112 00:08:59,394 --> 00:09:01,727 When baby animals bond to their mothers 113 00:09:01,829 --> 00:09:04,697 And it's conceivable she thinks of phil as her mother. 114 00:09:04,799 --> 00:09:07,266 [inaudible]. 115 00:09:07,368 --> 00:09:09,635 [phil] I mean, our hands are full suddenly. We're walrusland. 116 00:09:09,737 --> 00:09:12,905 Look. Look at buttercup. 117 00:09:13,007 --> 00:09:17,677 Sonja, zeus and apollo, smooshi and buttercup. 118 00:09:19,747 --> 00:09:22,315 When it was established that I was the walrus whisperer, 119 00:09:22,417 --> 00:09:26,085 It was because I could physically have four or five walruses in front of me 120 00:09:26,187 --> 00:09:28,454 And I could say, "let's go!" 121 00:09:29,791 --> 00:09:33,225 [cheering] 122 00:09:37,332 --> 00:09:40,499 A woman by the name of elizabeth shearer, 123 00:09:40,602 --> 00:09:43,703 She was looking for any type of cute story she could run on a valentine's day article 124 00:09:43,805 --> 00:09:45,071 In the toronto star. 125 00:09:46,007 --> 00:09:49,308 And so in 2007 that first article ran and thereafter 126 00:09:49,410 --> 00:09:54,246 It just became this ever-growing momentum-building thing. 127 00:09:54,349 --> 00:10:00,086 It progressed to a different live morning radio interviews 128 00:10:00,188 --> 00:10:05,024 And then, eventually, uh, it would be a story in cbc's the national 129 00:10:05,126 --> 00:10:08,628 And then, eventually, it would even get to jimmy kimmel, like late night talk show. 130 00:10:08,730 --> 00:10:10,963 This is a heartwarming tale of... 131 00:10:11,065 --> 00:10:12,932 And it's a kind of bond that cn develop between animals and people. 132 00:10:13,034 --> 00:10:15,735 For three years, this trainer at marineland in ontario 133 00:10:15,837 --> 00:10:17,837 Has been working with a walrus named-- 134 00:10:17,939 --> 00:10:21,641 Smooshi is a walrus who lives at niagara falls, marineland. 135 00:10:21,743 --> 00:10:26,212 He is at the center of a love triangle between his girlfriend, and a walrus. 136 00:10:26,314 --> 00:10:32,418 [man 3] a 900-pound female walrus chases a woman away from her handsome, male handle. 137 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:34,587 You love me, moosh? Do you, yeah? Give me a kiss. 138 00:10:35,623 --> 00:10:37,990 [soft music playing] 139 00:10:38,626 --> 00:10:41,394 Christine was a trainer at marineland for as long as I was. 140 00:10:41,496 --> 00:10:43,195 She started a few months before me. 141 00:10:44,732 --> 00:10:47,233 She was kiska's primary trainer. 142 00:10:51,372 --> 00:10:55,107 One of the first persons that I crossed paths with was christine. 143 00:10:55,209 --> 00:11:01,914 Uh, we were at a doorway in, uh, in the trainer's room and, uh, she had purple hair. 144 00:11:02,016 --> 00:11:05,117 And, you know, she's one of the first people that said hi to me 145 00:11:05,219 --> 00:11:07,653 And if I'm not mistaken, one of the first things she said was like, 146 00:11:07,722 --> 00:11:10,022 "oh, what kind of music do you listen to?" 147 00:11:10,124 --> 00:11:12,425 -I always liked christine. -Yes, it's true. 148 00:11:12,527 --> 00:11:14,326 [phil] I always joked around every time she came around-- 149 00:11:14,429 --> 00:11:16,762 You have to tell the stories. 150 00:11:16,864 --> 00:11:18,631 [phil] I would tell people... Like, if anyone come around, like she... She... 151 00:11:18,733 --> 00:11:20,966 I worked at the front in the stadium where you do the show. 152 00:11:21,069 --> 00:11:23,669 She was... Her focus was with the killer whales at the back. 153 00:11:24,338 --> 00:11:26,572 And you always flirted with me. 154 00:11:26,674 --> 00:11:28,741 [phil] I would flirt with christine. So what I would do is anyone would show up-- 155 00:11:28,843 --> 00:11:30,810 -Only me. -[phil] in the front, they were coming 156 00:11:30,912 --> 00:11:33,112 To pick up our garbage or something, I'd say, "oh, where's christine?" 157 00:11:33,214 --> 00:11:35,247 They'd be like, "oh, she's at the back." I'd be like, "tell her I said hi." 158 00:11:35,349 --> 00:11:37,516 Yeah, and that's what everyone says to me when they come see me, 159 00:11:37,618 --> 00:11:39,318 "oh, by the way, phil said hi." 160 00:11:39,420 --> 00:11:41,787 -[phil] yeah, I'd do that a lot. -Always. 161 00:11:41,889 --> 00:11:43,289 Do you remember what you used to say? 162 00:11:43,391 --> 00:11:45,291 "oh, hey. Oh, hi crids." 163 00:11:45,393 --> 00:11:47,126 Oh, wait, no you didn't call me crids yet. 164 00:11:47,228 --> 00:11:49,295 "oh, hi christine." and then you would flip your whistle. 165 00:11:49,397 --> 00:11:51,163 [phil] yeah, well, that's my [inaudible]. 166 00:11:55,103 --> 00:11:57,870 I'm getting tears in my eyes. It's so funny. 167 00:11:59,741 --> 00:12:02,041 -[phil] we ran the show at marineland. -It's true. 168 00:12:02,143 --> 00:12:03,342 [phil] oh, yeah. 169 00:12:04,445 --> 00:12:06,579 -Are you recording me? -[man 4] yeah, because it says recording at the top. 170 00:12:06,681 --> 00:12:08,214 That's right. Now push it again and see if it stops. 171 00:12:09,083 --> 00:12:11,650 You know, over time you become good at what you do. 172 00:12:11,753 --> 00:12:15,321 You enjoy the company of others and the place becomes like a family-like environment. 173 00:12:15,923 --> 00:12:19,058 You know, I loved them all. We really were a tight-knit group. 174 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:22,027 It was a... Quite a perfect fit for me, the job. 175 00:12:22,597 --> 00:12:24,196 [whistling] 176 00:12:24,298 --> 00:12:26,265 [orca calls] 177 00:12:26,868 --> 00:12:33,606 Johnny, john holer's son who was a good friend of mine, he had a good heart, good sense. 178 00:12:34,842 --> 00:12:40,346 Johnny liked me because, uh, I was someone he could smoke cigarettes and swear around. 179 00:12:40,448 --> 00:12:43,983 If I needed something it was a waste to go to john. I would just go to johnny. 180 00:12:44,085 --> 00:12:48,554 Johnny would get into trouble a lot of times for me, specifically for me. 181 00:12:50,725 --> 00:12:52,391 [suspenseful music playing] 182 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:55,661 [doug] the only thing that we're reading in the local media 183 00:12:56,230 --> 00:12:59,732 Were stories about the birth of another baby whale. 184 00:12:59,834 --> 00:13:02,434 They were getting that kind of coverage. 185 00:13:02,537 --> 00:13:06,038 I took a look in our own files of the st. Catharines standard, 186 00:13:06,140 --> 00:13:08,808 There was one story that struck me, 187 00:13:10,077 --> 00:13:14,513 About one particular whale, uh, at marineland. 188 00:13:16,050 --> 00:13:18,517 The headline was 189 00:13:18,619 --> 00:13:24,757 "baby jane upset injures herself." 190 00:13:27,495 --> 00:13:31,764 I mean a picture tells a huge story and that one did for me. 191 00:13:32,834 --> 00:13:38,470 When I... I look back on who was protesting out there and who was doing it first, nafa. 192 00:13:38,573 --> 00:13:43,175 That's niagara action for animals, and it was always catherine ens 193 00:13:43,311 --> 00:13:47,947 Who was the leader of that organization in the late 1980s. 194 00:13:48,616 --> 00:13:51,951 I'm an anti-speciesist. I guess that's the best way to describe it. 195 00:13:52,053 --> 00:13:54,453 I would like to see animals stop being exploited, 196 00:13:54,522 --> 00:13:57,957 Stop being used, um, for anything. 197 00:13:58,059 --> 00:14:01,827 I would like to see no more marine mammals in captivity, period. 198 00:14:01,929 --> 00:14:03,796 That's... That's the bottom line. 199 00:14:04,832 --> 00:14:08,968 [phil] I didn't like the idea that these guys are telling me what I'm doing wrong 200 00:14:09,070 --> 00:14:10,870 And they didn't even know the half of it. 201 00:14:10,972 --> 00:14:13,873 I'm just like, "you guys got nothing." that's the best part. 202 00:14:13,975 --> 00:14:17,509 Like, they were saying, "these animals just shouldn't be in captivity." 203 00:14:18,112 --> 00:14:20,212 It's like okay, well, that's an easy one. 204 00:14:20,648 --> 00:14:24,817 You've got, uh, 20,000 people on this side of the fence paying 50 dollars a head 205 00:14:24,919 --> 00:14:28,988 Saying that they should be in captivity and you got 12 people saying no. 206 00:14:29,090 --> 00:14:31,824 [indistinct chatter] 207 00:14:35,263 --> 00:14:37,496 [man 5] activists fought with police today at marineland 208 00:14:37,598 --> 00:14:41,433 During a demonstration to protest whale and dolphin captivity. 209 00:14:41,535 --> 00:14:44,837 American activist ben white was defiant till the end. 210 00:14:44,939 --> 00:14:48,240 You don't go to marineland, please. Think about what you're doing. 211 00:14:48,342 --> 00:14:55,114 We have the best record of all the parks, marine parks, 212 00:14:55,216 --> 00:14:57,917 In north america as far as keeping these animals alive. 213 00:14:58,386 --> 00:15:02,521 [dan] I was quite a number of years distant from marineland at that time 214 00:15:02,623 --> 00:15:06,292 And, in my mind, I had become anti-captivity. 215 00:15:06,861 --> 00:15:11,063 I spoke to captivity in general. I didn't slam marineland. 216 00:15:11,165 --> 00:15:13,232 I knew guys that worked there still 217 00:15:13,334 --> 00:15:15,301 And... And they were doing the best they could with what they had 218 00:15:15,403 --> 00:15:17,803 And that's when the problem started with john holer. 219 00:15:18,639 --> 00:15:22,641 I had to work at marineland in my capacity with the hydro 220 00:15:22,743 --> 00:15:25,311 Which is what I was doing at that time. 221 00:15:25,413 --> 00:15:28,414 So we had to go on the property and do a job 222 00:15:28,516 --> 00:15:31,517 And I was talking to a couple of guys I used to work with. 223 00:15:31,619 --> 00:15:34,253 And one of the guys said, "oh, well, if john sees you, he's going to go crazy." 224 00:15:34,355 --> 00:15:40,826 And sure enough, john showed up and veins bulging out of his... Of his forehead, 225 00:15:40,928 --> 00:15:43,762 He... He threatened to put a bullet in my brain. 226 00:15:43,864 --> 00:15:46,165 "if I see you on this property again." 227 00:15:46,267 --> 00:15:51,103 One of the very first times we were, uh, leafleting at the, um, entrance gate, 228 00:15:51,205 --> 00:15:55,641 He came out and there were three of us there and he said words to the effect that 229 00:15:55,743 --> 00:15:58,277 He had a gun in the back of his truck and that he would use it. 230 00:15:58,379 --> 00:16:00,913 And he was very angry. 231 00:16:01,015 --> 00:16:05,317 In fact, I thought he might be on the verge of like suffering some kind of heart attack. 232 00:16:05,419 --> 00:16:08,287 Like, his face just went completely beet red. 233 00:16:10,191 --> 00:16:14,093 This is the closest I've ever been to evil in my life, like, literally. 234 00:16:14,195 --> 00:16:16,295 [man 6] come on, he's just doing his job, man. 235 00:16:16,397 --> 00:16:18,230 You're lucky you don't have a knife. I'm lucky you don't have a knife. 236 00:16:18,332 --> 00:16:20,466 -So you would stab me if you had a knife? -That's right. 237 00:16:20,568 --> 00:16:22,634 -Wow. -Yeah, right here. 238 00:16:22,737 --> 00:16:24,303 -Oh, you'd kill me right here? -Oh, I would bury you right here. 239 00:16:24,405 --> 00:16:26,338 You would bury me right here? 240 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:27,840 -You wouldn't even bother to put me in the mass graves. -No. 241 00:16:32,813 --> 00:16:35,147 [doug] he was so proud of what he had done 242 00:16:35,249 --> 00:16:38,851 And he had received so much positive reinforcement for it in the community-- 243 00:16:38,953 --> 00:16:42,588 Sir, you want a leaflet? All right, have a nice day. 244 00:16:42,690 --> 00:16:46,258 See, john, all we're doing is asking. People don't have to take it. 245 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:50,929 We don't need to take it. You're nothing, but uh, uh, uh-- 246 00:16:51,032 --> 00:16:52,798 -A whale. A whale. -An idiot. An idiot. 247 00:16:52,900 --> 00:16:55,467 [doug] he just didn't get why there were now people coming out 248 00:16:55,569 --> 00:16:57,002 And saying, "no, this isn't right." 249 00:16:57,104 --> 00:16:58,370 He's starting to get a little furious here. 250 00:17:00,408 --> 00:17:02,241 [tranquil music playing] 251 00:17:02,810 --> 00:17:07,946 Once upon a time marineland had... Had a lot of power and control. 252 00:17:09,450 --> 00:17:12,284 The city worked in hand with what marineland wanted. 253 00:17:13,854 --> 00:17:17,556 [man 7] john holer has a... A large portion of the land 254 00:17:17,658 --> 00:17:20,159 Between niagara falls and the village of chippawa, 255 00:17:20,261 --> 00:17:21,927 Probably about a thousand acres. 256 00:17:24,298 --> 00:17:26,999 [man 8] you know when you're called the king of niagara, 257 00:17:27,101 --> 00:17:30,469 You start to think you're a king of sorts, of a place. 258 00:17:33,507 --> 00:17:38,544 [naomi rose] there is a breed of person, man... There's a breed of man, 259 00:17:38,646 --> 00:17:41,780 Egomaniacal, narcissistic. 260 00:17:42,283 --> 00:17:48,654 They have a tendency to run safari wildlife parks and dolphinariums. 261 00:17:48,756 --> 00:17:51,223 There's a guy in the canary islands who's like that. 262 00:17:51,325 --> 00:17:53,692 There's a guy in the dominican republic who's like that. 263 00:17:54,128 --> 00:17:58,130 And there was john holer who was the king of all of them 264 00:17:58,232 --> 00:18:02,101 In terms of that hoarding tendency. 265 00:18:03,237 --> 00:18:06,205 [waves crashing] 266 00:18:06,841 --> 00:18:10,442 [phil] normally, you don't know the backstory of how an animal comes into possession. 267 00:18:10,544 --> 00:18:12,211 You don't know that much about them. 268 00:18:13,848 --> 00:18:16,115 Smooshi spent some time at a russian facility. 269 00:18:22,523 --> 00:18:28,927 It's widely accepted that what happens, uh, is these captors will storm a beach 270 00:18:29,029 --> 00:18:30,829 Which will cause a panic. 271 00:18:36,804 --> 00:18:40,472 And in all that, there's a corralling of the calves 272 00:18:41,675 --> 00:18:47,813 And there are several scenarios where the mother is slaughtered and the baby abducted. 273 00:18:52,286 --> 00:18:53,819 [blows] 274 00:18:58,926 --> 00:19:02,361 [soft music playing] 275 00:19:05,266 --> 00:19:07,566 [indistinct chatter] 276 00:19:07,668 --> 00:19:10,502 They're put in these quite small wooden boxes 277 00:19:10,604 --> 00:19:14,673 And they're... They're merely taken off a cargo plane in, uh, at the airport 278 00:19:14,775 --> 00:19:17,509 And then driven to marineland where they're unloaded. 279 00:19:17,611 --> 00:19:21,947 Uh, all of which happens overnight when nobody except for the select few people know. 280 00:19:25,019 --> 00:19:27,686 Every couple of hours, you show up with a warm bottle and hope she eats 281 00:19:27,788 --> 00:19:29,488 And, eventually, you have fish in this hand. 282 00:19:29,590 --> 00:19:31,790 So you're going, bottle, bottle, bottle, fish. 283 00:19:31,892 --> 00:19:33,825 Try it... You want to try it? No. Okay, bottle, bottle, bottle, fish. 284 00:19:33,928 --> 00:19:35,694 You want to try it? Oh, fish. Oh, good. Bottle, bottle. 285 00:19:35,796 --> 00:19:38,463 The next job for the next few months is get them on fish. 286 00:19:38,566 --> 00:19:40,399 Get them off the bottle and on fish. 287 00:19:41,902 --> 00:19:45,571 All training is based on food deprivation, all of it. 288 00:19:46,807 --> 00:19:50,142 If a trainer or anybody in this... In the industry has said to you, "we don't do that. 289 00:19:50,244 --> 00:19:53,245 We reinforce positive behavior. We, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah..." 290 00:19:53,347 --> 00:19:55,547 Whatever which way that they try to define what it is that they do, 291 00:19:55,649 --> 00:19:57,916 They've convinced themselves of they're not lying. 292 00:19:58,586 --> 00:19:59,851 [seal calls] 293 00:20:00,654 --> 00:20:06,024 The animals live behind these bars on this very short, 294 00:20:06,126 --> 00:20:08,860 Maybe six, seven-foot platform 295 00:20:08,963 --> 00:20:11,863 Into these very shallow and small pools. 296 00:20:13,033 --> 00:20:17,236 That's their existence 24/7 unless they're performing. 297 00:20:17,338 --> 00:20:19,371 The only reason an animal would be taken out 298 00:20:19,473 --> 00:20:23,675 Would be either for training, uh, medical purposes, or to perform. 299 00:20:23,777 --> 00:20:26,645 And whether it's born in captivity or not, 300 00:20:26,747 --> 00:20:30,349 It carries the weight and stress of... Of that trauma 301 00:20:30,451 --> 00:20:33,252 Of being out of its element, every single day. 302 00:20:33,354 --> 00:20:36,021 That's abuse. That's an abused animal. 303 00:20:39,126 --> 00:20:43,161 [soft music playing] 304 00:21:05,219 --> 00:21:10,489 There comes a point where suddenly you used to make sense of things you can't no more, 305 00:21:10,591 --> 00:21:12,124 The excuses are gone. 306 00:21:13,627 --> 00:21:15,861 I know that the animals at marineland are medicated 307 00:21:15,963 --> 00:21:18,130 Because I was the one giving them the drugs. 308 00:21:18,565 --> 00:21:23,068 Take a fish, you break the membrane, take your pills and you stuff them in. 309 00:21:23,937 --> 00:21:25,971 Obviously, you get into valium 310 00:21:26,073 --> 00:21:30,275 And we tried various forms of actual like human antidepressants. 311 00:21:31,378 --> 00:21:33,779 [soft music playing] 312 00:21:36,517 --> 00:21:41,353 In September of 2011, there was a, uh, breakdown in the water disinfection unit, 313 00:21:41,455 --> 00:21:44,089 The ozone generator broke, uh, which meant 314 00:21:44,191 --> 00:21:47,626 We now had to rely on the increased use of chlorine. 315 00:21:48,729 --> 00:21:53,398 [soft music playing] 316 00:21:55,169 --> 00:22:01,273 Sea lions had to get taken out of the water, isolated in dry environments for months on end. 317 00:22:01,375 --> 00:22:03,709 Well, their skin was just falling off, their skin was bleeding, 318 00:22:03,811 --> 00:22:06,311 It was dry, it was crusty, they were in their own filth. 319 00:22:06,413 --> 00:22:09,514 We couldn't clean, uh, their little stations adequately enough. 320 00:22:09,616 --> 00:22:12,684 They were writhing in pain. We couldn't get enough meds to them. 321 00:22:16,423 --> 00:22:18,924 Well, smooshi was not immune to the effects of the water. 322 00:22:19,026 --> 00:22:23,495 She had chemical burns. So much of her fur was coming off. 323 00:22:23,564 --> 00:22:26,598 Her rear flippers were really red and inflamed. 324 00:22:26,700 --> 00:22:28,500 You bring the vet down, you're like, "just look at her." 325 00:22:28,602 --> 00:22:30,836 "oh, oh, yeah, ee-uh. That's chemical burn. 326 00:22:30,938 --> 00:22:34,773 Ah, ooh. Okay, better get some antibiotics." you're like, "oh, wait a second. 327 00:22:35,943 --> 00:22:38,276 Shouldn't we be getting the chlorine out of the water?" 328 00:22:38,379 --> 00:22:40,812 What do you mean antibiotics? Shouldn't we be dumping this water? 329 00:22:45,586 --> 00:22:48,920 We lose our mind about it. We call the owner, "get in here and address this." 330 00:22:49,022 --> 00:22:51,656 "okay, I'm going to." the next day you show up it's even worse. 331 00:22:51,759 --> 00:22:55,994 I sat down next to my supervisor at the time and said, "how the hell can we continue like this?" 332 00:22:56,096 --> 00:22:57,963 And he said, "you know what I like about you, phil? 333 00:22:58,065 --> 00:23:00,599 The more shit we throw at you, the more you keep coming back." 334 00:23:01,268 --> 00:23:04,302 I fucking pulled out my phone, I texted the vet. "I just fucking quit." 335 00:23:04,371 --> 00:23:06,071 "no, you did not." "yes, I did." 336 00:23:06,173 --> 00:23:08,473 She e-mails the cfo, says, "no. You cannot let phil quit." 337 00:23:08,609 --> 00:23:11,343 She says smooshi needs him, echo needs him." she lists animals. 338 00:23:11,445 --> 00:23:14,146 "phil is the best. Do not let him go." 339 00:23:17,651 --> 00:23:20,552 On my very last day as I am literally packing everything up, 340 00:23:20,654 --> 00:23:23,388 John decided finally it's time to dump that water. 341 00:23:24,158 --> 00:23:26,124 I don't know that he was doing it otherwise. 342 00:23:27,094 --> 00:23:32,531 Prior to my leaving, I insisted that I have a meeting with cfo, tracy and john 343 00:23:32,633 --> 00:23:37,702 And, uh, I stressed to them, um, that given my relationship with smooshi, 344 00:23:37,805 --> 00:23:39,905 It's in their best interest, of course, and they acknowledged, 345 00:23:40,007 --> 00:23:42,874 Uh, that I remain, uh, available to them. 346 00:23:43,710 --> 00:23:46,077 My understanding was firm, "come back any time." 347 00:23:51,151 --> 00:23:52,851 So in accordance to our agreement, 348 00:23:52,953 --> 00:23:58,423 I showed up to marineland, but they weren't letting me in. 349 00:23:59,493 --> 00:24:05,030 Well, it just so happened as... As a one of those odd, 350 00:24:05,132 --> 00:24:08,433 Perfect scenarios to unfold, 351 00:24:08,535 --> 00:24:11,736 Uh, johnny suddenly appears and he puts his arm around me and says, "so, what's going on?" 352 00:24:11,839 --> 00:24:14,172 I said, "they're not... They're not letting me in the park." 353 00:24:14,274 --> 00:24:15,774 He says, "you're like family here, phil. Of course, you're getting in the park." 354 00:24:17,044 --> 00:24:19,978 [soft music playing] 355 00:24:22,082 --> 00:24:27,219 And I walk right back to smooshi and, ah, she's in rough shape. 356 00:24:33,360 --> 00:24:36,061 [calls] 357 00:24:40,534 --> 00:24:42,133 And so I decided to speak. 358 00:24:44,137 --> 00:24:45,971 That was the choice. 359 00:24:46,073 --> 00:24:48,940 Walk away, move on, get a job doing whatever 360 00:24:49,042 --> 00:24:53,111 And look the other way, or save smooshi. 361 00:24:55,182 --> 00:25:00,185 [gloomy music playing] 362 00:25:22,142 --> 00:25:25,010 That is the incident that changed everything. 363 00:25:27,347 --> 00:25:29,514 [soft music playing] 364 00:25:29,616 --> 00:25:32,317 [woman 2] former staff members are leveling some shocking allegations 365 00:25:32,419 --> 00:25:37,289 Of animal neglect against the popular niagara falls theme park, marineland. 366 00:25:37,391 --> 00:25:40,892 [phil] over the course of my tenure at marineland, I was witness to things 367 00:25:40,994 --> 00:25:47,465 That people would never imagine a place like marineland to be capable of. 368 00:25:47,568 --> 00:25:53,338 I heard what phil was saying and I could back up everything phil was saying was the truth. 369 00:25:53,941 --> 00:25:58,143 I was seeing animals suffering on a daily basis there when I left. 370 00:26:00,113 --> 00:26:04,883 The basic example I always give is the, quote, unquote, "beluga rodeo." 371 00:26:04,985 --> 00:26:08,954 There's like 10-12 belugas in a pool, they drop the water down to knee level 372 00:26:09,056 --> 00:26:13,558 And then all the trainers run in and jump on top of a beluga to restrain it. 373 00:26:13,660 --> 00:26:17,529 [glen owen] one of the beluga whales, peanut, was not taking well to the scenario 374 00:26:17,631 --> 00:26:19,931 And, uh, she started freaking out. 375 00:26:20,033 --> 00:26:23,301 And, um, started thrashing her tail against the ground. 376 00:26:23,403 --> 00:26:25,537 And then the vet will come in and give it an injection. 377 00:26:26,173 --> 00:26:30,408 While it's happening, peanut is, uh, gushing out blood. 378 00:26:30,510 --> 00:26:32,077 The water will turn red. 379 00:26:32,179 --> 00:26:35,413 At which point, chunks are coming off her tail 380 00:26:35,515 --> 00:26:38,950 And through it all we are getting covered in blood. 381 00:26:39,786 --> 00:26:43,755 While all this is happening, the head vet who was looking over the procedure, 382 00:26:43,857 --> 00:26:48,393 Shouted up to john, who was up above to call it off. 383 00:26:48,495 --> 00:26:51,763 We're not doing this anymore. And john said, "no, keep going." 384 00:26:53,533 --> 00:26:55,266 So we did, right? 385 00:26:55,369 --> 00:26:57,836 You find out other things like seaworld has them trained 386 00:26:57,938 --> 00:27:04,042 To just come in and present their tail without any need for restraint or anything 387 00:27:04,144 --> 00:27:06,611 And the vet can just inject them and they swim away, 388 00:27:06,713 --> 00:27:12,150 But at marineland being the wild, wild west that it was that was how we had to do it. 389 00:27:13,487 --> 00:27:17,222 [man 9] now we have asked marineland and its owner to come on today's show 390 00:27:17,324 --> 00:27:19,457 And tell their side of the story. 391 00:27:19,559 --> 00:27:25,630 They replied that there is, "no other side to this story. 392 00:27:25,732 --> 00:27:28,266 There is no story." 393 00:27:30,003 --> 00:27:32,170 [upbeat music playing] 394 00:27:33,106 --> 00:27:36,007 Four or five dolphins passed away when I was there. 395 00:27:36,843 --> 00:27:41,946 A walrus passed away when I was there, lots of belugas passed away when I worked there. 396 00:27:42,049 --> 00:27:45,116 [man 10] where do marineland's animals go when they die? 397 00:27:45,218 --> 00:27:48,887 A published report says, thousands of bodies from deer to whales are buried 398 00:27:48,989 --> 00:27:51,790 In mass graves here, on the park property. 399 00:27:51,892 --> 00:27:58,630 [angel] kandu, nootka, athena and hudson are all killer whales that passed away. 400 00:28:07,874 --> 00:28:13,178 It was shocking, like, you just don't think that they'd die, especially the young ones. 401 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:17,082 [man 10] in response, marineland's head veterinarian gave global news a tour 402 00:28:17,184 --> 00:28:20,585 Of their facilities insisting the animals there are well taken care of. 403 00:28:21,021 --> 00:28:24,322 That was really the first inside look that the public got 404 00:28:24,424 --> 00:28:27,092 On what someone's perception of the inside was. 405 00:28:27,594 --> 00:28:34,432 [doug] they turned a local story into a national, if not international, news story. 406 00:28:34,868 --> 00:28:39,504 You go from the niagara action for animals people doing their protest, 407 00:28:39,606 --> 00:28:44,709 Where there'd be maybe 50 of them to the whole front of the park being full. 408 00:28:44,811 --> 00:28:46,911 [applauding] 409 00:28:47,013 --> 00:28:51,282 Uh, there's a walrus back there. Her name is smooshi. 410 00:28:55,455 --> 00:28:57,122 She's the one that I think about... 411 00:29:02,229 --> 00:29:03,394 And I gotta get her out of there. 412 00:29:05,565 --> 00:29:09,801 [catherine] at that time there was no fence around the perimeter of the parking lot. 413 00:29:10,403 --> 00:29:12,170 There was a lot of energy that day. 414 00:29:12,272 --> 00:29:15,640 People just got carried away in the moment. 415 00:29:15,742 --> 00:29:19,477 Shut it down! Shut it down! Shut it down! 416 00:29:19,579 --> 00:29:22,580 [woman 3] hundreds of protesters plowed their way through the gates 417 00:29:22,682 --> 00:29:27,118 Chasing down marineland owner john holer who was behind the wheel of that gray truck. 418 00:29:27,220 --> 00:29:30,889 [all] arrest, arrest, arrest john holer! 419 00:29:30,991 --> 00:29:34,392 Arrest, arrest, arrest john holer! 420 00:29:34,494 --> 00:29:38,429 -Arrest, arrest-- -leave the property now please. 421 00:29:38,532 --> 00:29:42,834 [all] shut it down! Shut it down! Shut it down! 422 00:29:42,936 --> 00:29:46,271 -Shut it down! -It's a bit of a shock, but in a way that you think, 423 00:29:46,373 --> 00:29:49,140 "yes, animal liberation is around the corner." 424 00:29:49,242 --> 00:29:50,742 [soft music playing] 425 00:29:51,444 --> 00:29:54,946 If by virtue of perfect timing johnny doesn't see me rejected at the gate 426 00:29:55,048 --> 00:29:57,515 And personally escort me into the park that day, 427 00:29:57,617 --> 00:29:59,617 I don't see smooshi in the condition she's in. 428 00:29:59,719 --> 00:30:02,620 [all] shut it down! Shut it down! 429 00:30:02,722 --> 00:30:03,788 None of this happens. 430 00:30:03,890 --> 00:30:05,623 [soft music playing] 431 00:30:05,725 --> 00:30:09,894 And, uh, I think johnny was made to feel the guilt for that. 432 00:30:09,996 --> 00:30:12,564 [indistinct chatter] 433 00:30:12,666 --> 00:30:17,435 I had the greatest hope for a change with john jr. 434 00:30:17,537 --> 00:30:19,838 Uh, I know he had his issues, 435 00:30:19,940 --> 00:30:23,308 But he was always getting a... A stonewall from his father 436 00:30:23,410 --> 00:30:29,147 And one of the saddest things I ever heard was the day that I heard he had passed away. 437 00:30:29,249 --> 00:30:32,884 It was a... It was a loss for the... For marineland. 438 00:30:34,521 --> 00:30:36,454 [phil] I remember the last message johnny sent me. 439 00:30:36,556 --> 00:30:39,824 He said, "I got in a lot of trouble for letting you into the park. 440 00:30:39,926 --> 00:30:42,293 Come visit me." 441 00:30:42,395 --> 00:30:46,064 And I didn't reply to the message, and so it would prove to be our last words. 442 00:30:47,367 --> 00:30:49,467 [soft music playing] 443 00:30:49,569 --> 00:30:53,872 Eventually, there would be an excess of 15 whistleblowers speaking out 444 00:30:54,875 --> 00:30:57,609 [tranquil music playing] 445 00:30:59,846 --> 00:31:02,347 And that's when marineland had decided they'd had enough 446 00:31:02,449 --> 00:31:07,151 And they were going to start suing people in an effort to try to stop the bleeding. 447 00:31:07,254 --> 00:31:10,221 They had to make people scared to speak. 448 00:31:11,124 --> 00:31:15,894 [tranquil music playing] 449 00:31:19,633 --> 00:31:25,904 Yeah, heh, it's still insane, every time I see that. 450 00:31:26,606 --> 00:31:32,677 In February of 2013, phil was sued for 1.5 million dollars by marineland. 451 00:31:32,779 --> 00:31:35,947 [tense music playing] 452 00:31:41,254 --> 00:31:46,190 Mr. Demers and others agreed on or about October 7, 2012, 453 00:31:46,293 --> 00:31:51,229 To unlawfully gain entry into marineland in order to steal smooshi the walrus. 454 00:31:51,698 --> 00:31:54,532 [upbeat music playing] 455 00:31:55,635 --> 00:31:58,903 Phil's case is one where he's been sued and accused of, 456 00:31:59,005 --> 00:32:01,606 Essentially trespassing on marineland's property 457 00:32:01,708 --> 00:32:04,175 And interfering with the economic relations 458 00:32:04,277 --> 00:32:06,544 Between marineland and its customers. 459 00:32:06,646 --> 00:32:11,649 And this all seems to be drawn from a particular protest in October of 2012 460 00:32:11,751 --> 00:32:16,821 That they took issue with and they say that... That phil was trespassing on that day. 461 00:32:16,923 --> 00:32:19,190 Phil disagrees with that and denies it, 462 00:32:19,292 --> 00:32:23,127 But, um, it's not a particularly complicated set of facts to get to the bottom of. 463 00:32:26,499 --> 00:32:29,367 [phil] I come from a place called welland, ontario, and I'm frenchman. 464 00:32:29,469 --> 00:32:31,836 I mean, it's probably another thing to stress, 465 00:32:31,938 --> 00:32:35,306 But I don't know any other way to deal with things other than sort of fight it out. 466 00:32:35,742 --> 00:32:38,443 I'm weaponizing marineland's intent to ruin my life. 467 00:32:38,545 --> 00:32:43,414 I took the sword, I put my hands on it as they tried to do this, too... I cut myself, right? 468 00:32:43,516 --> 00:32:46,451 I pulled it from them, turned it around. [zaps] 469 00:32:47,187 --> 00:32:49,253 [joe rogan] what's the correct pronunciation of your last name demers? 470 00:32:49,356 --> 00:32:50,254 -[phil] demers. -[joe] demers. 471 00:32:50,357 --> 00:32:51,723 [phil] demers works. 472 00:32:51,825 --> 00:32:53,358 You're known as the walrus whisperer. 473 00:32:53,460 --> 00:32:55,994 That's you... Your handle on twitter. 474 00:32:56,796 --> 00:33:00,164 [phil] a person like me can launch a crowd-sourcing campaign 475 00:33:00,266 --> 00:33:02,633 And raise monies to fight this lawsuit. 476 00:33:02,736 --> 00:33:04,369 I have a lot of supporters, an army almost. 477 00:33:05,071 --> 00:33:09,007 [upbeat music playing] 478 00:33:09,909 --> 00:33:12,477 [joe rogan] I think you opened up a lot of people's eyes to it. 479 00:33:12,579 --> 00:33:16,848 I got a lot of tweets from people, um, and facebook messages 480 00:33:16,950 --> 00:33:19,317 That said they would never go to marineland again. 481 00:33:19,786 --> 00:33:22,687 [upbeat music playing] 482 00:33:28,028 --> 00:33:31,763 [phil] basically, they want to take away my right to, uh, free expression 483 00:33:31,865 --> 00:33:34,365 -And they have my walrus. -[joe rogan] and they have your walrus. 484 00:33:35,235 --> 00:33:38,036 [phil] that's their bargaining chip. That's what they got. 485 00:33:39,205 --> 00:33:44,242 Marineland will threaten to sue you if you talk to me or if you publish my words. 486 00:33:44,344 --> 00:33:46,611 It's libel chill. It's a strategy. 487 00:33:48,281 --> 00:33:50,281 [dan] what have you gotten me into, phil? 488 00:33:50,383 --> 00:33:53,117 Phil lives just across the river behind me. 489 00:33:53,219 --> 00:33:54,352 [phil] get a lawyer. 490 00:33:54,454 --> 00:33:56,120 [laughs] 491 00:33:56,222 --> 00:33:59,590 He said, "get a lawyer." it's not what I want to hear. 492 00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,194 [upbeat music playing] 493 00:34:08,968 --> 00:34:11,702 [carolynn] I think it's very hard to go up against the goliath. 494 00:34:15,475 --> 00:34:18,042 I hate to see somebody ruined over their beliefs. 495 00:34:18,144 --> 00:34:19,410 [water gushing] 496 00:34:19,512 --> 00:34:24,749 [soft music playing] 497 00:34:32,826 --> 00:34:36,494 [phil] I couldn't be convinced that marineland would be without consequence. 498 00:34:36,963 --> 00:34:40,465 [crickets chirping] 499 00:34:46,973 --> 00:34:48,973 [soft music playing] 500 00:34:54,614 --> 00:34:59,450 [tranquil music playing] 501 00:35:07,527 --> 00:35:11,295 It's funny because marineland alleges that I plotted to steal a walrus 502 00:35:11,397 --> 00:35:13,164 Which cannot be further from the truth, of course, 503 00:35:13,266 --> 00:35:19,203 But we did steal this cat, mama, from marineland because she... 504 00:35:19,305 --> 00:35:21,772 Because she was really, really, really old. 505 00:35:21,875 --> 00:35:27,678 Lived exclusively outdoors and we just knew that she would not live another winter out there. 506 00:35:28,548 --> 00:35:32,817 I guess you call it stealing, but I would prefer to say we rescued her. 507 00:35:32,919 --> 00:35:36,187 But now she's a loving kitty who loves the snugglies. 508 00:35:36,923 --> 00:35:41,826 And she... I mean it sounds nuts, but she sort of filled this void that I have now 509 00:35:41,928 --> 00:35:44,495 In being separated from smooshi. 510 00:35:44,931 --> 00:35:49,500 It's okay, mama. There you go, my mama, okay. 511 00:35:57,210 --> 00:35:59,477 [scraping] 512 00:36:01,214 --> 00:36:05,016 The niagara region is a really economically depressed place. 513 00:36:05,118 --> 00:36:07,885 I mean, aside from tourism, um, you know, 514 00:36:07,987 --> 00:36:10,388 It's still trying to figure out its place in the world. 515 00:36:10,924 --> 00:36:13,024 [tapping] 516 00:36:16,429 --> 00:36:19,931 Since leaving marineland, it's been bounce job to job, do whatever you got to do 517 00:36:20,033 --> 00:36:22,533 Just to make sure that you don't go bankrupt because really, 518 00:36:22,635 --> 00:36:25,436 Bankruptcy to me doesn't just mean like financial ruin, 519 00:36:25,538 --> 00:36:28,139 It... It means taking away my voice. 520 00:36:28,241 --> 00:36:31,042 [whirring] 521 00:36:33,313 --> 00:36:35,713 [powers down] 522 00:36:36,249 --> 00:36:39,784 I hate to admit that in a lot of ways but I do like to fight. 523 00:36:39,886 --> 00:36:43,154 I don't go looking for fights but fights have always found a way to find me. 524 00:36:43,656 --> 00:36:47,024 Even as a child, especially, being a very small child. 525 00:36:47,126 --> 00:36:49,860 Forget the fact that I was always bullied or constantly bullied, 526 00:36:49,963 --> 00:36:53,464 But I was also the idiot that would stick up to bullies for others 527 00:36:53,566 --> 00:36:55,333 And I lost teeth because of it. 528 00:37:01,140 --> 00:37:07,245 Part of what I do now is I share videos that people send to me that they take inside the park. 529 00:37:07,981 --> 00:37:10,114 [woman 4] jesus christ! 530 00:37:10,216 --> 00:37:13,184 [phil] in the case of zeus, pictures and videos, 531 00:37:13,286 --> 00:37:17,622 On occasion they go viral and we bring a lot of attention to, uh, the animals. 532 00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:24,829 He's very skinny. He's... He's obviously lethargic. 533 00:37:24,931 --> 00:37:29,400 You see his air sac is protruding from his chest and he's got these wrinkles, 534 00:37:29,502 --> 00:37:32,236 You could see his ribs and behind his shoulder blades. 535 00:37:34,374 --> 00:37:37,808 And, you know, we've been crying foul since 2012 about zeus. This is not new. 536 00:37:39,812 --> 00:37:42,647 This animal needs rescuing or it's going to die. 537 00:37:47,620 --> 00:37:52,223 [soft music playing] 538 00:38:04,270 --> 00:38:09,373 Bibeau, I've known since probably four years old, like maybe four. 539 00:38:09,475 --> 00:38:11,142 -I guess. -Did you go to-- 540 00:38:11,244 --> 00:38:13,377 [foreign language] 541 00:38:13,479 --> 00:38:15,946 When you guys came to my school, I was already at vanier and then you guys came. 542 00:38:16,049 --> 00:38:17,615 -Transferred over. -Yeah, I was... I was at vanier, too. 543 00:38:17,717 --> 00:38:20,284 -Yeah. That's right. -I was with you the whole time. 544 00:38:20,386 --> 00:38:24,088 I worked at marineland for one summer as a surveyor and I did that for about three months. 545 00:38:24,190 --> 00:38:28,225 I don't know it was very depressing seeing the... The whales in the tanks and stuff. 546 00:38:28,328 --> 00:38:30,428 That's why I quit. 547 00:38:30,530 --> 00:38:32,930 [phil] shit the fuck out of here. Get this guy out of here, right now. 548 00:38:33,032 --> 00:38:35,199 [laughing] 549 00:38:37,603 --> 00:38:39,003 [grill sizzling] 550 00:38:49,148 --> 00:38:50,514 Three more minutos. 551 00:38:51,951 --> 00:38:54,051 [foreign language] 552 00:38:56,889 --> 00:39:00,558 On account of the fact that I am a voice for animals, 553 00:39:00,660 --> 00:39:05,429 I get, uh, grief on account that I don't... That I'm not a vegan 554 00:39:05,531 --> 00:39:08,866 And that I don't live the vegan lifestyle. 555 00:39:11,637 --> 00:39:13,904 And I hate it. It's the topic that I hate the most 556 00:39:14,006 --> 00:39:18,909 Because, uh, I am guilty of eating and enjoying meat. 557 00:39:21,347 --> 00:39:25,683 Would you become a vegan for like 10,000 more followers or something? 558 00:39:26,786 --> 00:39:31,756 You know, I... I'm the... I'll be the first guy in line to try the synthetic steak 559 00:39:31,858 --> 00:39:34,158 And if it hits the nail... 560 00:39:34,260 --> 00:39:36,527 There's something about eating steak 561 00:39:36,629 --> 00:39:39,163 That makes me feel really, really good. 562 00:39:39,265 --> 00:39:41,332 [man 11] and they say you're a hypocrite, I guess? 563 00:39:41,434 --> 00:39:43,033 [phil] yes. And I am. 564 00:39:43,136 --> 00:39:45,536 There's hypocrisy in it. I'm comfortable in that. 565 00:39:49,108 --> 00:39:51,275 [man 11] see, the truth will set you free. 566 00:39:52,311 --> 00:39:54,044 [men laughing] 567 00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:06,457 [traffic noises] 568 00:40:15,001 --> 00:40:18,102 [woman 5] leaning against that with signs, obviously, they've taped it off. 569 00:40:18,204 --> 00:40:20,204 Yeah, we had it taped last year as well. 570 00:40:20,306 --> 00:40:22,573 -It was a little closer to the fence last year but-- -[woman 6] okay. 571 00:40:22,675 --> 00:40:24,775 [woman 5] it was too close, people were still touching the fence. 572 00:40:30,016 --> 00:40:32,316 Now this is my natural habitat. [laughs] 573 00:40:32,418 --> 00:40:35,786 [woman 7] hey, marineland, what do you say? 574 00:40:35,855 --> 00:40:39,223 How many animals die today? 575 00:40:39,325 --> 00:40:42,693 Walrus, supporting a good cause. 576 00:40:44,263 --> 00:40:46,063 [car horn honks] 577 00:40:46,165 --> 00:40:48,499 [women screaming] 578 00:40:48,601 --> 00:40:51,535 [woman 8] so we're like fourth generations at this protest, which is very sad. 579 00:40:52,171 --> 00:40:55,439 Um, our grandmother used to do it, then my mom, now myself and my son. 580 00:40:55,541 --> 00:40:57,408 [car horn honking] 581 00:40:57,510 --> 00:40:59,443 -That's so cute. He just went and kissed the whale. -Yeah. 582 00:40:59,545 --> 00:41:01,479 [man 12] they're gonna laugh. I'm telling you. 583 00:41:07,253 --> 00:41:12,490 Initially, when he first came on the scene we were all excited about it, but then I went vegan. 584 00:41:13,726 --> 00:41:15,826 Phil still consumes animals. 585 00:41:15,928 --> 00:41:17,628 -Where am I looking? -[woman 9] over there. 586 00:41:17,730 --> 00:41:20,130 And I would really like to see him evolve beyond that. 587 00:41:20,233 --> 00:41:22,166 -Oh, beautiful. -Awesome. Thank you. 588 00:41:22,268 --> 00:41:24,435 -Thank you, my pleasure, guys. -[woman 10] do you want one with them in the back? 589 00:41:24,537 --> 00:41:27,238 [all] there's no excuse for animal abuse! 590 00:41:27,340 --> 00:41:29,807 [girl] animals die here. 591 00:41:33,212 --> 00:41:36,514 You see the old man here? He's around. 592 00:41:38,618 --> 00:41:40,184 Good to see you, man. 593 00:41:40,286 --> 00:41:41,852 Thank you for everything. 594 00:41:41,954 --> 00:41:43,954 -Thanks for exposing everything. -Thanks for coming. 595 00:41:44,056 --> 00:41:44,622 -It's so important. It's amazing. -Thanks so much for being here. 596 00:41:45,258 --> 00:41:46,624 [woman 11] free the [inaudible]! 597 00:41:46,759 --> 00:41:48,359 [woman 12] free! Free the whales! 598 00:41:48,461 --> 00:41:50,794 -[woman 13] [inaudible]. -Hey! 599 00:41:50,897 --> 00:41:56,166 [carolynn] I think the relationship between phil demers and john holer is beyond toxic. 600 00:41:57,303 --> 00:42:00,971 It must be hard to have your whole life in one business 601 00:42:01,073 --> 00:42:04,642 To see people shift their attitude on something they loved 602 00:42:04,744 --> 00:42:07,845 To something now that makes them so angry they protest. 603 00:42:08,548 --> 00:42:11,482 [car horn honking] 604 00:42:13,119 --> 00:42:15,352 [soft music playing] 605 00:42:15,955 --> 00:42:19,223 [naomi] any public display facility like marineland, 606 00:42:19,325 --> 00:42:21,692 They didn't try to adapt to the new reality. 607 00:42:21,794 --> 00:42:23,961 They didn't even know there was a new reality. 608 00:42:24,063 --> 00:42:26,864 They lost control of the narrative. 609 00:42:26,966 --> 00:42:28,866 [all] your ticket, you're a cause! 610 00:42:28,968 --> 00:42:31,468 Your money, you're a cause! 611 00:42:31,571 --> 00:42:33,837 Your ticket, you're a cause! 612 00:42:33,940 --> 00:42:37,174 [tranquil music playing] 613 00:42:44,917 --> 00:42:46,617 [wilfred moore] we have to move with the times. 614 00:42:47,219 --> 00:42:50,888 Public opinion has shifted and with this bill, 615 00:42:50,990 --> 00:42:54,191 We have the opportunity to get on the right side of the issue 616 00:42:54,293 --> 00:42:56,293 At the earliest stage. 617 00:42:56,395 --> 00:43:00,064 It is not a local issue, honorable senators, it is a moral issue. 618 00:43:00,900 --> 00:43:05,970 In canada, two facilities keep whales and dolphins in captivity, 619 00:43:06,072 --> 00:43:09,440 Marineland, an amusement park in niagara falls, ontario, 620 00:43:09,542 --> 00:43:11,609 And the vancouver aquarium. 621 00:43:12,044 --> 00:43:16,947 [holly lake] bill s-203 aims to ban the captivity of whales and dolphins and porpoises in canada 622 00:43:17,049 --> 00:43:21,018 And also to ban the import and export and breeding. 623 00:43:21,454 --> 00:43:24,355 [man 13] we have with us this evening here at the table mr. Andrew burns, 624 00:43:24,457 --> 00:43:26,156 Legal counsel to marineland. 625 00:43:26,258 --> 00:43:29,259 [andrew burns] there is no apparent need for this bill. 626 00:43:29,362 --> 00:43:33,063 This bill is about advancing an agenda. 627 00:43:33,165 --> 00:43:37,968 In the early years of this debate, the arguments were largely ethical, 628 00:43:38,070 --> 00:43:40,871 But now we know so much more about them 629 00:43:40,973 --> 00:43:44,041 That we can formulate science-based arguments. 630 00:43:44,143 --> 00:43:47,211 The science is not unanimous. There are differing opinions. 631 00:43:47,780 --> 00:43:50,714 [naomi] they have certain biological and ecological characteristics 632 00:43:50,816 --> 00:43:55,519 That make it very difficult for them to thrive in captivity. 633 00:43:56,288 --> 00:44:00,691 [john nightingale] laws like this one can impact our ability to engage the public 634 00:44:00,793 --> 00:44:03,894 To learn through science and to help nature. 635 00:44:03,996 --> 00:44:09,433 There is no compelling evidence to support the educational value 636 00:44:09,535 --> 00:44:14,271 Of marine mammal displays claimed by aquariums and marine parks. 637 00:44:14,373 --> 00:44:19,843 These are extremely acoustic animals. That is how they sense their world and communicate. 638 00:44:19,945 --> 00:44:23,614 Concrete tanks are debilitating echo chambers. 639 00:44:23,716 --> 00:44:28,919 Here in canada I've observed cetaceans with self-mutilation behavior, wounds, scars 640 00:44:29,021 --> 00:44:30,287 And damage to their teeth. 641 00:44:31,290 --> 00:44:35,759 Kiska has birthed five calves at marineland and all five are now dead. 642 00:44:35,861 --> 00:44:37,961 It's perceived harm. 643 00:44:38,064 --> 00:44:41,265 There is no inherent harm to this animal, no matter what you've heard, 644 00:44:41,367 --> 00:44:45,302 An animal is not suffering and I can tell you our animals are happy. 645 00:44:47,573 --> 00:44:53,844 Uh, mr. Burns, marineland has been the subject of a toronto star exposé 646 00:44:53,946 --> 00:44:56,346 And multiple investigations. 647 00:44:56,449 --> 00:45:00,350 Can you tell us what happened and what the outcome were of those investigations? 648 00:45:00,453 --> 00:45:05,989 When those allegations were made, uh, marineland was subject immediately 649 00:45:06,092 --> 00:45:10,027 To a thorough investigation that no agency 650 00:45:10,129 --> 00:45:13,764 Under the criminal code or the ospca act 651 00:45:13,866 --> 00:45:19,870 Believed it had reasonable or probable grounds that a marine mammal at marineland 652 00:45:19,972 --> 00:45:22,773 Was or is being abused. 653 00:45:23,342 --> 00:45:26,577 -Mr. Demers. -[phil] [foreign language] 654 00:45:27,012 --> 00:45:29,046 Since speaking of my experiences at marineland, 655 00:45:29,148 --> 00:45:32,116 I myself have become the target of relentless attacks. 656 00:45:32,218 --> 00:45:36,954 In an effort to stifle public debate, marineland launched nearly a dozen slapp lawsuits 657 00:45:37,056 --> 00:45:39,757 Of which I am the recipient of a most peculiar one, 658 00:45:39,859 --> 00:45:43,193 As they allege I plotted to steal smooshi the walrus. 659 00:45:43,662 --> 00:45:46,830 This guy was doing it day to day. 660 00:45:46,932 --> 00:45:52,402 He lived it, so he was like our leading main witness 661 00:45:52,505 --> 00:45:58,976 In terms of having been there and validated what we were putting into words 662 00:45:59,078 --> 00:46:01,245 In terms of legislation and the need for it. 663 00:46:01,347 --> 00:46:08,118 You, sir, admitted under oath, to personally consuming controlled drugs 664 00:46:08,220 --> 00:46:10,854 Meant for marine mammals at marineland. 665 00:46:11,323 --> 00:46:18,428 You, sir, wished marineland well when you, uh, in your letter of resignation, 666 00:46:18,531 --> 00:46:24,835 After pitching to them the walrus... Walrus whisperer reality show 667 00:46:24,937 --> 00:46:27,437 That they didn't want to be part of. 668 00:46:27,540 --> 00:46:31,975 Uh, senator plett, again... Once again you're great at... At... At... Uh, at quoting 669 00:46:32,077 --> 00:46:34,478 Marineland's baseless lawsuits verbatim. 670 00:46:34,580 --> 00:46:36,513 -Uh, again-- -[donald] answer the questions please, sir. 671 00:46:36,615 --> 00:46:38,115 -This is not about-- -oh, I'd like to. You gave me a comment... 672 00:46:38,217 --> 00:46:40,284 You're the one that's muddying the waters-- 673 00:46:40,386 --> 00:46:42,586 [fabian manning] answer. If the questions are opposed, 674 00:46:42,688 --> 00:46:44,555 We'll just ask and answer them and send-- 675 00:46:44,657 --> 00:46:46,356 Well, you made a comment... You made comment to me, 676 00:46:46,458 --> 00:46:49,159 So the idea that marineland is, uh, is and... And, again, 677 00:46:49,261 --> 00:46:52,563 They're utilizing you to attack me personally, as a means to muddy the water 678 00:46:52,665 --> 00:46:54,698 -Just as their playbook with the illegal lawsuits. -[man 14] chair... Order please. 679 00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:57,734 Nobody is utilizing me. Nobody is utilizing me. 680 00:46:57,837 --> 00:47:00,704 We are independent. Senator, we are independent senators. 681 00:47:00,806 --> 00:47:02,439 He's saying... He's saying somebody is utilizing me. 682 00:47:02,541 --> 00:47:04,141 [fabian manning] order! Okay. Order, order! 683 00:47:04,243 --> 00:47:06,310 I understand this is an emotional issue on our sides, 684 00:47:06,412 --> 00:47:09,680 Uh, but we need to get to the point. 685 00:47:09,782 --> 00:47:12,216 Uh, my name is john holer. 686 00:47:12,751 --> 00:47:18,555 I've been starting my business way back in 1961 687 00:47:19,058 --> 00:47:26,163 With 2,000 dollars in my pocket with the big idea 688 00:47:26,632 --> 00:47:32,236 And I am hoping that I would be able to 689 00:47:32,338 --> 00:47:34,504 Complete the part 690 00:47:34,607 --> 00:47:39,877 And that was going to make it, uh, a definitely an outstanding... 691 00:47:39,979 --> 00:47:44,081 Outstanding facility in anywhere in the world. 692 00:47:44,550 --> 00:47:47,217 [donald] mr. Holer, uh, pleasure to see you again, 693 00:47:47,286 --> 00:47:50,087 You're looking well and the last time we talked, 694 00:47:50,189 --> 00:47:53,357 You said you wanted to be in this business till you were 90 years old, 695 00:47:53,459 --> 00:47:59,329 And, uh, so, certainly looking forward to visiting you on your 90th birthday at marineland. 696 00:47:59,431 --> 00:48:02,065 I mean, for me one of the really big issues here 697 00:48:02,167 --> 00:48:06,703 Is how did marineland get the conservative senators in captivity? 698 00:48:06,805 --> 00:48:09,172 [woman 14] senator don plett, to name one, 699 00:48:09,275 --> 00:48:12,910 Who has been consistently, in his twitter and facebook feeds, 700 00:48:13,012 --> 00:48:16,947 Talking about how great marineland is and how much he loves marineland. 701 00:48:17,049 --> 00:48:19,983 Uh, I also filed a complaint with the lobbying commissioner, 702 00:48:20,085 --> 00:48:24,588 Because it's pretty clear that marineland that hasn't registered itself as a lobbyist 703 00:48:24,690 --> 00:48:27,424 Has been lobbying pretty effectively. 704 00:48:29,962 --> 00:48:32,663 [tranquil music playing] 705 00:48:39,371 --> 00:48:40,938 [man 15] here comes john holer. 706 00:48:46,812 --> 00:48:51,248 [phil] I mean, he even sought to intimidate us by driving by our house and stalking us on. 707 00:48:56,989 --> 00:49:01,959 John holer's most effective at silencing those without a voice. 708 00:49:10,803 --> 00:49:15,505 Let's see. Oh, there's a siren on here, too. 709 00:49:15,607 --> 00:49:16,840 [phil] don't push it. 710 00:49:21,213 --> 00:49:23,580 [man 16] did you find out you got sued in the newspapers 711 00:49:23,682 --> 00:49:25,449 Or did you actually physically get served? 712 00:49:25,584 --> 00:49:27,684 [phil] oh, no. We found out in the newspapers 713 00:49:27,786 --> 00:49:29,686 -Because I had to call you and tell you-- -you told me... At work... 714 00:49:29,755 --> 00:49:31,955 -I was at work. -[phil] yeah, so the intention of marineland 715 00:49:32,057 --> 00:49:36,126 In... In suing all of us, really, was to try to hijack the headlines. 716 00:49:36,762 --> 00:49:40,364 Ultimately, christine's lawsuit had to be settled. 717 00:49:42,201 --> 00:49:43,834 She had to be silenced. 718 00:49:55,814 --> 00:49:59,483 Oh, they've just, uh... They just... Marineland just issued a blog. 719 00:49:59,585 --> 00:50:02,052 "what's really happening at marineland?" it's entitled. 720 00:50:02,154 --> 00:50:03,887 They just released it. 721 00:50:03,989 --> 00:50:07,090 "radical animal rights activists have relentlessly and viciously 722 00:50:07,192 --> 00:50:11,128 Attacked marineland on social media year after year, bullying and lying about us, 723 00:50:11,230 --> 00:50:14,097 Falsely accusing us of abusing our marine and land animals, 724 00:50:14,199 --> 00:50:18,301 While pocketing donations for their own personal use." really? 725 00:50:18,771 --> 00:50:22,172 "a self-proclaimed activist who relentlessly trolls marineland on the internet 726 00:50:22,274 --> 00:50:25,509 With false allegations of abuse says he will stop... 727 00:50:25,611 --> 00:50:28,011 Says he will stop and go away if he is paid. 728 00:50:28,113 --> 00:50:30,814 We think the public should know what is happening. This is what phil demers has to say." 729 00:50:30,916 --> 00:50:33,116 "I should mention, I do have a price. Marineland should know this. 730 00:50:33,218 --> 00:50:35,519 If they'd like, I'm all ears. Maybe something can be done." 731 00:50:36,255 --> 00:50:38,889 Do they want to know what I mean by that? I don't want money. 732 00:50:38,991 --> 00:50:40,791 I want the fucking walrus. 733 00:50:44,696 --> 00:50:47,931 "a former animal care worker made false allegations of animal abuse related to kiska, 734 00:50:48,033 --> 00:50:50,500 The killer whale, in the toronto star. This is what she admits now. 735 00:50:50,602 --> 00:50:52,836 I'm not a veterinarian and, therefore, 736 00:50:52,938 --> 00:50:55,505 I do not have any personal or expert knowledge of the conditions at marineland 737 00:50:55,607 --> 00:50:57,174 Or in relation to any animals. 738 00:50:57,276 --> 00:50:59,576 -Yours truly, christine santos." -oh, they said my name. 739 00:51:00,179 --> 00:51:02,879 This is the type of thing that really aggravates, gets my blood boiling 740 00:51:02,981 --> 00:51:07,350 Is that they... That they're continuously using an abusive system to further abuse people. 741 00:51:07,453 --> 00:51:10,987 Christine's silence because she couldn't afford to... To continue 742 00:51:11,090 --> 00:51:13,690 To be in this litigation, not because she retracts anything. 743 00:51:13,792 --> 00:51:15,025 She was forced to retract. 744 00:51:20,966 --> 00:51:23,633 I sound like an asshole. I look like an asshole. 745 00:51:23,735 --> 00:51:25,735 I know the vein in my forehead is bulging. 746 00:51:29,174 --> 00:51:31,174 There are people on the right side of history. 747 00:51:31,276 --> 00:51:33,176 There are people in marineland's parking lot. It's as simple as that. 748 00:51:33,278 --> 00:51:35,812 These people have names. I've got a pen. 749 00:51:39,551 --> 00:51:44,554 Marineland's veterinarians, former employees, uh, marineland's owner, 750 00:51:44,656 --> 00:51:46,723 Albeit, this is not a personal vendetta, 751 00:51:46,825 --> 00:51:50,694 I'm not going after him in any capacity that is illegal, 752 00:51:50,796 --> 00:51:54,397 I'm just merely reminding him that he gets away with nothing, nobody does. 753 00:51:55,267 --> 00:51:59,402 You don't endure what I've done for as long as I've done for as many years as I have 754 00:51:59,505 --> 00:52:03,106 With people hiding behind money to try to crush me. 755 00:52:04,076 --> 00:52:09,479 Why is it that only john holer has the opportunity to impose hardships on people? 756 00:52:09,882 --> 00:52:11,014 I'm free to do that as well. 757 00:52:13,485 --> 00:52:17,087 And if definition of imposing hardships on others means defending the vulnerable, 758 00:52:17,189 --> 00:52:18,455 I'll never stop. 759 00:52:19,691 --> 00:52:22,659 Remember I was thinking of putting a picture of the bullhorn? 760 00:52:27,833 --> 00:52:29,833 That's gonna piss them off. 761 00:52:35,007 --> 00:52:41,912 [ren] one of the first things that people will compromise in some lawsuits is, uh, you know, 762 00:52:42,014 --> 00:52:46,049 Their ability to speak freely and it's sort of, you know, 763 00:52:46,151 --> 00:52:48,118 Easy to imagine why because it's cheap. 764 00:52:48,720 --> 00:52:52,155 It doesn't cost you anything to, essentially, to agree to a gag order 765 00:52:52,257 --> 00:52:56,860 But that's something not as attractive to phil. 766 00:53:00,666 --> 00:53:05,502 [phil] I know that marineland's lawyer made promises to insulate john holer. 767 00:53:06,738 --> 00:53:11,708 He wants to launch lawsuits. He wants to impose his will on people. 768 00:53:11,810 --> 00:53:16,846 We've been in litigation now for years and we haven't even gotten to discoveries yet. 769 00:53:19,618 --> 00:53:24,120 I'm countersuing them for defamation and abusive process. 770 00:53:29,962 --> 00:53:34,197 [dramatic music playing] 771 00:53:40,105 --> 00:53:42,639 You... You get a sense of feeling powerless in it really. 772 00:53:42,741 --> 00:53:47,477 From the... The... The piece of this that I'm involved in which is the legal piece, 773 00:53:47,579 --> 00:53:50,914 Like I say, we've got a path forward and I think that the important thing is 774 00:53:51,016 --> 00:53:56,152 To not get distracted by too much of the other elements of the history. 775 00:53:56,255 --> 00:54:00,857 And I know it's hard to do that because it's what you've lived over the last, uh, six years. 776 00:54:00,959 --> 00:54:06,296 We sort of war game out how we think things are going to go and we do a lot of reading, 777 00:54:06,398 --> 00:54:09,766 We do a lot of writing, things we forget about is that the practical difficulty 778 00:54:09,868 --> 00:54:11,868 Of getting through 15 volumes of material. 779 00:54:11,970 --> 00:54:16,006 That's just substantial and so... But it's exciting. 780 00:54:19,044 --> 00:54:24,080 The reality in our system is that 97% of cases settle 781 00:54:24,182 --> 00:54:27,784 Before you ever get to an adjudication of the merits 782 00:54:27,886 --> 00:54:34,557 And, usually, parties can come to some sort of resolution 783 00:54:34,660 --> 00:54:36,826 That may not make everybody happy, 784 00:54:36,928 --> 00:54:40,163 In fact, it probably shouldn't if it's going to be a fair resolution, 785 00:54:40,265 --> 00:54:45,935 But somebody has to give, uh, a little bit in order to have the thing, uh, go away. 786 00:54:46,471 --> 00:54:49,239 My lawyer, in fact, and this is where it gets kind of weird because, 787 00:54:49,341 --> 00:54:52,309 Listen, I don't understand. He's supposed to be representing me. 788 00:54:52,411 --> 00:54:55,545 The answer is no to everything. Fight, fight, fight. I want a trial. 789 00:54:55,647 --> 00:54:58,782 He instead is coming with, "listen, this is not how litigation ends, phil. 790 00:54:58,884 --> 00:55:01,184 Like you don't seem to understand how this ends. 791 00:55:01,286 --> 00:55:03,653 You don't have a grip of how litigation works." 792 00:55:03,755 --> 00:55:05,889 And I'm just, like, I'm glad that I don't because my guess is 793 00:55:05,991 --> 00:55:08,458 I'm representative of about 90% of the population that don't know. 794 00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:10,994 And it's important that we find out. 795 00:55:11,096 --> 00:55:13,129 I was promised a trial because they said I was this, this, this, this, this, this. 796 00:55:13,231 --> 00:55:15,598 Well, let's get to that fucking trial. This is what I've been doing. 797 00:55:15,701 --> 00:55:18,168 This doesn't end with negotiations. I want the trial. 798 00:55:18,270 --> 00:55:20,637 -[man 17] yeah. -I don't understand. Like, what... Why would you sue me 799 00:55:20,739 --> 00:55:22,038 Unless you want the trial? 800 00:55:22,140 --> 00:55:23,907 Oh, because it's a bullshit lawsuit. 801 00:55:24,009 --> 00:55:25,608 Well, then I want the trial because I need to show that. 802 00:55:25,711 --> 00:55:28,578 It's a dirty secret about the legal business, right? 803 00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:30,347 -[phil] that's a-- -that this is a loophole, 804 00:55:30,449 --> 00:55:32,449 This is something people can do to people to silence them 805 00:55:32,551 --> 00:55:35,151 Just to drag them through hell for six years. 806 00:55:38,256 --> 00:55:42,492 [tranquil music playing] 807 00:55:55,941 --> 00:55:57,173 [phone dings] 808 00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:19,529 [tranquil music playing] 809 00:56:24,403 --> 00:56:27,103 [phil] smooshi. 810 00:56:27,205 --> 00:56:29,672 Smooshi. 811 00:56:30,809 --> 00:56:32,075 Smooshi. 812 00:56:32,778 --> 00:56:36,546 I'm in here, my moosh. Good girl, moosh. Right here. 813 00:56:36,648 --> 00:56:37,881 What do you want? 814 00:56:41,620 --> 00:56:44,187 [soft music playing] 815 00:56:45,490 --> 00:56:47,891 I would love to get her. It would be insane. 816 00:56:47,959 --> 00:56:51,861 Not get her. I mean, you know, and I'm not going to strap her to my back 817 00:56:51,963 --> 00:56:54,697 And, you know, go over the falls and... And... And, you know, 818 00:56:54,800 --> 00:57:00,403 Hope to land in some arctic, uh, estuary somewhere or whatever. 819 00:57:05,076 --> 00:57:08,278 Okay, mama, here's your shower. 820 00:57:08,413 --> 00:57:12,549 Oh, my goodness! Look at this. 821 00:57:15,954 --> 00:57:22,459 Oh, raindrops, raindrops for mama. Oh, that's a happy mama. 822 00:57:23,795 --> 00:57:26,963 [soft music playing] 823 00:57:32,237 --> 00:57:35,572 -[woman 15] didn't one or two walruses pass? -[phil] sonja passed away. 824 00:57:35,674 --> 00:57:38,975 [woman 16] yeah. Was there a buttercup ever? 825 00:57:39,077 --> 00:57:41,544 -[phil] buttercup's dead? -[woman 16] there's no buttercup. 826 00:57:42,581 --> 00:57:44,781 -[phil] serious? -[woman 16] yeah, was buttercup a walrus? 827 00:57:44,883 --> 00:57:46,449 -[phil] yes. -[woman 16] no, she's not there. 828 00:57:46,551 --> 00:57:47,650 -[phil] she's dead? -[woman 16] yeah, there's three. 829 00:57:47,752 --> 00:57:49,486 There's smooshi, apollo and zeus. 830 00:57:49,588 --> 00:57:51,120 -Oh, my god! -[woman 16] that's it. 831 00:57:51,223 --> 00:57:54,123 There's five sea lions, five dolphins, the two belugas. 832 00:57:54,226 --> 00:57:55,625 [phil] that was smooshi's best friend. 833 00:57:57,529 --> 00:57:59,796 [phil] fuck them! 834 00:57:59,898 --> 00:58:03,399 [woman 16] yeah, she's... Yeah, just the three. Apollo, smooshi, and zeus. 835 00:58:07,639 --> 00:58:14,077 [phil] every single time I leave my home, I have one of two choices... 836 00:58:15,213 --> 00:58:17,680 To pass by marineland or not. 837 00:58:17,782 --> 00:58:19,949 That's how close I live to marineland. 838 00:58:22,954 --> 00:58:25,622 I guess, if I'm going back in time or back to where I grew up, 839 00:58:25,724 --> 00:58:30,193 It's this way or any other way I have to physically face marineland. 840 00:58:33,265 --> 00:58:36,966 It's hardest when I drive by the facility and I can point to exactly where she is staying, 841 00:58:37,068 --> 00:58:39,869 You know, she's 30 meters inside that wall. 842 00:58:40,672 --> 00:58:43,006 [soft music playing] 843 00:58:44,910 --> 00:58:46,409 It's a very small town. 844 00:58:48,580 --> 00:58:53,016 On occasion, I will drive by john holer's home to see, 845 00:58:53,118 --> 00:58:56,419 You know, whether or not he's, uh, out and about. 846 00:58:59,291 --> 00:59:02,425 Someone had to keep him accountable. 847 00:59:03,929 --> 00:59:06,195 You know, he was... He was avoiding my lawsuit. 848 00:59:06,965 --> 00:59:12,435 There's a reason he hid, so I would go look for him. 849 00:59:28,019 --> 00:59:31,754 I don't believe it and I'm stil waiting to find out that it's not true. 850 00:59:31,823 --> 00:59:36,292 And if it is true, not processing. 851 00:59:42,834 --> 00:59:49,038 The light is on but I've been in that bedroom, top right of the house, that's his bedroom. 852 00:59:49,140 --> 00:59:53,676 He's in there. He's dead. He's in a bed dead right now. 853 00:59:55,213 --> 00:59:58,915 [tranquil music playing] 854 01:00:12,731 --> 01:00:16,132 Like I saw his park today, he won't... I saw... 855 01:00:24,542 --> 01:00:26,576 Like the flags are at half-mast. 856 01:00:29,514 --> 01:00:33,916 Like, I saw it, but he won't. It's strange. 857 01:00:39,290 --> 01:00:40,957 [sniffles] that's fucked up. 858 01:00:43,028 --> 01:00:48,297 I don't know a lot of people that mourn their abuser, but I do feel loss. 859 01:00:54,673 --> 01:00:59,142 Like I pursued a... Like I pursued a dying man. 860 01:01:05,150 --> 01:01:10,086 Okay, I'm imagining his par... Uh, his family. [sniffles] 861 01:01:12,724 --> 01:01:14,724 I don't think anyone believed he could die. 862 01:01:21,266 --> 01:01:22,365 [sniffles] 863 01:01:27,205 --> 01:01:29,972 [soft music playing] 864 01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:39,382 [church bells ringing] 865 01:01:41,619 --> 01:01:43,686 I don't remember myself without him. 866 01:01:47,125 --> 01:01:52,328 His stubbornness is only matched by the stubbornness of one individual, me. 867 01:01:52,430 --> 01:01:53,529 [chuckles] 868 01:01:57,869 --> 01:02:03,072 Neither my or john being the two assholes in the story, 869 01:02:03,775 --> 01:02:06,275 I guess neither one of us will get... 870 01:02:08,613 --> 01:02:12,615 Will get our just, uh... Our just due. 871 01:02:12,917 --> 01:02:16,552 [woman 17] john holer founded marineland in 1961. 872 01:02:16,654 --> 01:02:20,389 Then called marine wonderland, it was an amusement park and zo 873 01:02:20,492 --> 01:02:22,625 Featuring both land and marine animals. 874 01:02:22,727 --> 01:02:24,327 It's a hobby. 875 01:02:24,429 --> 01:02:26,863 [laughs] 876 01:02:26,965 --> 01:02:28,865 I enjoy it. 877 01:02:28,967 --> 01:02:31,434 [phil] the last time I saw him was at the... Was at the demo. 878 01:02:31,536 --> 01:02:34,570 He was, uh, driving by licking ice cream or something. 879 01:02:35,406 --> 01:02:42,011 He leaves behind his wife, um, his adopted son, 880 01:02:42,113 --> 01:02:44,280 Uh, two grandkids, 881 01:02:44,783 --> 01:02:49,619 And as well a... Already, uh, deceased son. 882 01:02:53,525 --> 01:03:00,062 I don't doubt for a second that john blames me for johnny's death, not for a second. 883 01:03:01,166 --> 01:03:04,267 I guess, if I was challenged as to whether or not 884 01:03:04,369 --> 01:03:09,705 I would take back that moment to... To spare johnny's life, 885 01:03:09,808 --> 01:03:12,175 Like, I don't know that it would have. 886 01:03:12,277 --> 01:03:16,546 I can't say that it would have, but I can with a surety say that it saved smooshi's, 887 01:03:19,584 --> 01:03:21,350 So, no, I don't feel no guilt. 888 01:03:32,997 --> 01:03:35,731 When john holer passed, we all joked about... 889 01:03:35,834 --> 01:03:38,701 John was trying to figure out how he was going to take marineland with him. 890 01:03:38,803 --> 01:03:42,471 And uh, of course, his wife now is left as a survivor 891 01:03:42,574 --> 01:03:45,274 And as the ceo, she's continuing on the legacy. 892 01:03:46,444 --> 01:03:49,579 [phil] I've known john now for the better part of 20 years. 893 01:03:49,681 --> 01:03:54,283 For the last six years, I've been looking over my shoulder 894 01:03:54,385 --> 01:03:56,519 With a great deal of anxiety 895 01:03:56,621 --> 01:04:02,425 And now I'm finding an entirely new sort of perspective to, uh... To absorb. 896 01:04:02,527 --> 01:04:05,428 And, yet, here I am feeling a strange sense of loss 897 01:04:05,530 --> 01:04:08,531 And really more than anything, sympathy for the family 898 01:04:08,633 --> 01:04:12,068 Who, uh, obviously, have some difficult decisions to make moving forward. 899 01:04:12,704 --> 01:04:16,239 [woman 18] for sure. Well, thank you, phillip, for your time. I appreciate it. 900 01:04:16,341 --> 01:04:17,573 Thank you, my pleasure. 901 01:04:18,543 --> 01:04:23,012 [soft music playing] 902 01:04:36,394 --> 01:04:40,329 I wish that marie holer and I could have a meeting of sorts 903 01:04:40,431 --> 01:04:44,033 Because I think all these hostilities are unnecessary 904 01:04:44,135 --> 01:04:50,072 And she's getting a misrepresented version of what I want and what I've been doing. 905 01:04:51,776 --> 01:04:54,143 [splashing] 906 01:04:56,281 --> 01:04:58,648 [indistinct chatter] 907 01:04:58,750 --> 01:05:02,785 What this bill would do... If this bill passed what it would do to marineland-- 908 01:05:02,887 --> 01:05:09,759 In our view, it would, uh, essentially destroy marineland's future. 909 01:05:17,302 --> 01:05:20,436 [phil] we've been chasing this bill now for three years. 910 01:05:20,538 --> 01:05:24,907 It's been hurdle after hurdle after hurdle after hurdle after hurdle. 911 01:05:27,845 --> 01:05:29,412 This may be the finish line. 912 01:05:29,847 --> 01:05:32,081 [woman 19] other business. [foreign language]. 913 01:05:32,216 --> 01:05:36,752 Senate public bill's third reading. [foreign language]. 914 01:05:36,854 --> 01:05:38,955 Number one, s-203. 915 01:05:39,057 --> 01:05:40,423 [claps] 916 01:05:40,525 --> 01:05:42,158 [man 18] s-203. 917 01:05:42,260 --> 01:05:44,593 [woman 20] senators, it is time for a vote 918 01:05:44,696 --> 01:05:47,630 For this bill's many thousands and thousands of supporters 919 01:05:47,732 --> 01:05:53,569 In canada and around the world and, most importantly, for the whales and dolphins. 920 01:05:53,671 --> 01:05:57,773 I now call for a vote on s-203. Thank you. 921 01:05:57,875 --> 01:06:01,277 [clapping] 922 01:06:02,113 --> 01:06:04,280 [man 18] on debate. 923 01:06:04,382 --> 01:06:06,649 Our senators ready for the question on debate? Senator plett. 924 01:06:06,751 --> 01:06:09,352 [senator plett] I met with people on both sides of this issue 925 01:06:09,454 --> 01:06:14,957 And it became very clear to me that this was a battle between activists and scientists. 926 01:06:15,059 --> 01:06:17,760 Colleagues, these are radical activists, 927 01:06:17,862 --> 01:06:22,832 An activist who testified at committee calling himself the marineland whistleblower 928 01:06:22,934 --> 01:06:27,803 Has admitted in court to taking drugs intended for marine mammals 929 01:06:27,905 --> 01:06:30,406 For his own personal consumption. 930 01:06:30,875 --> 01:06:35,478 The credibility of these star witnesses certainly needs to be considered 931 01:06:35,580 --> 01:06:38,114 When we weigh the evidence. 932 01:06:38,216 --> 01:06:41,717 If this flawed legislation is o move forward, I believe it would be irresponsible 933 01:06:41,819 --> 01:06:46,088 And simply wrong to proceed without an exemption for marineland. 934 01:06:46,190 --> 01:06:49,558 [man 18] senators ready for the question. Senator martin. 935 01:06:49,660 --> 01:06:51,494 [woman 21] chairman to the debate. 936 01:06:51,596 --> 01:06:53,496 [man 18] senator smith that further debate be adjourned 937 01:06:53,598 --> 01:06:55,364 Till the next sitting of the senate. 938 01:06:55,466 --> 01:06:58,667 The vote will take place at 8:25. Call in the senators. 939 01:07:01,005 --> 01:07:02,738 What the fuck just happened? 940 01:07:03,307 --> 01:07:06,242 Is this a process where you can still amend the bill? 941 01:07:06,310 --> 01:07:08,778 I thought that we went through this process. 942 01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:12,214 The senate is a bit of... I kind of call it the wild west 943 01:07:12,316 --> 01:07:16,018 Because you can never really tell when things are going to happen, 944 01:07:16,120 --> 01:07:19,722 Um, if they're going to happen, or how they're going to happen. 945 01:07:19,824 --> 01:07:23,426 Uh, I'm still kind of getting my head around how things operate there. 946 01:07:23,528 --> 01:07:25,761 There are rules that have been put in place in the senate 947 01:07:25,863 --> 01:07:31,634 That allow the combined forces of members of the opposition 948 01:07:31,736 --> 01:07:37,339 To be able to delay and use delay tactics to keep a bill from coming to a vote 949 01:07:37,975 --> 01:07:40,676 And to that I... I say that makes no sense. 950 01:07:40,778 --> 01:07:42,511 We could debate this endlessly. 951 01:07:42,613 --> 01:07:45,448 And we end up debating until there's nothing to vote on. 952 01:07:47,752 --> 01:07:49,852 I can't hear shit. 953 01:07:49,954 --> 01:07:51,654 [man 18] all those in favor of the motion, will please say, yay. 954 01:07:51,756 --> 01:07:54,323 -[all] yay! -[man 18] all those oppose, nay. 955 01:07:54,425 --> 01:07:57,059 -[man 19] on division. -[man 20] on division. 956 01:07:58,496 --> 01:08:00,629 [man 18] accordingly, the motion is adopted. 957 01:08:00,731 --> 01:08:02,631 The senate now... Is now adjourned. 958 01:08:02,733 --> 01:08:04,967 Return to the order of the honorable house. 959 01:08:05,069 --> 01:08:06,602 It's utter chaos. 960 01:08:07,171 --> 01:08:09,505 It's absolutely... It's an absolute shit show in there. 961 01:08:10,108 --> 01:08:15,344 It's so surreal and so now just another delay. 962 01:08:17,849 --> 01:08:22,852 They're taking longer to study the bill and fight the bill, uh, 963 01:08:22,954 --> 01:08:25,955 To... To prohibit keeping whales in captivity 964 01:08:26,057 --> 01:08:28,757 Than they did to look at medical assistance in dying. 965 01:08:28,860 --> 01:08:31,160 [birds chirping] 966 01:08:31,262 --> 01:08:35,364 [holly lake] there's been a lot of moving parts as this bill has progressed. 967 01:08:35,466 --> 01:08:39,568 The vancouver aquarium has been involved in its own battles with the park board. 968 01:08:39,670 --> 01:08:45,875 We have a 50-year history of rescuing animals and we don't want it to stop tonight. 969 01:08:46,477 --> 01:08:49,145 [crowd cheering] 970 01:08:49,247 --> 01:08:52,081 [man 21] it's not every day that people turn out to support keeping whales in captivity, 971 01:08:52,183 --> 01:08:54,750 But that's exactly what's happening here. 972 01:08:54,852 --> 01:08:57,386 Science first. Science-- 973 01:08:57,488 --> 01:08:59,788 The park board has said, "no, you're not going to be allowed to keep cetaceans there." 974 01:08:59,891 --> 01:09:02,691 The vancouver aquarium was going to challenge that, 975 01:09:02,793 --> 01:09:04,827 But has since, just a short while ago, 976 01:09:04,929 --> 01:09:08,531 Announced that they're no longer going to keep cetaceans in captivity. 977 01:09:08,633 --> 01:09:13,502 So, all of this time and money has now been spent dealing with an issue 978 01:09:13,604 --> 01:09:17,439 That pertains to one facility in canada and that's marineland. 979 01:09:17,542 --> 01:09:21,877 [tranquil music playing] 980 01:09:22,280 --> 01:09:28,350 ♪ twelve steps in to your backyard ♪ 981 01:09:31,722 --> 01:09:37,927 ♪ through tall green grass and into the world ♪ 982 01:09:40,665 --> 01:09:43,399 ♪ ain't it feel right ♪ 983 01:09:50,575 --> 01:09:54,343 ♪ ain't it feel nice ♪ 984 01:10:00,084 --> 01:10:02,618 ♪ in your own backyard ♪ 985 01:10:39,857 --> 01:10:41,190 [phil] come on, smooshi. 986 01:10:44,729 --> 01:10:46,061 Come on, my moosh. 987 01:10:47,198 --> 01:10:49,064 [wind gusting] 988 01:10:55,306 --> 01:10:57,306 It's too slick. Yeah. 989 01:10:57,408 --> 01:11:01,810 [tranquil music playing] 990 01:11:12,790 --> 01:11:16,258 What are you doing? What are you doing, my mooshky? 991 01:11:17,161 --> 01:11:21,130 [tranquil music playing] 992 01:11:34,845 --> 01:11:36,211 [christine] okay, I'll try that now. 993 01:11:37,214 --> 01:11:38,314 [grunts] 994 01:11:40,151 --> 01:11:41,550 [phil] she wants to pee. 995 01:11:42,186 --> 01:11:43,319 Come on, ma. 996 01:11:44,655 --> 01:11:47,022 -Is she squatting? -[christine] no, she's-- 997 01:11:47,124 --> 01:11:49,124 -[phil] she's complaining. -[christine] she knows something's rushed like, uh... 998 01:11:51,495 --> 01:11:52,995 [phil] poor mama. 999 01:11:54,098 --> 01:11:58,767 -You saw blood in mama's pee? -In the litter box, 1000 01:11:58,869 --> 01:12:01,370 Then I saw it in the litter box in the urine. 1001 01:12:01,472 --> 01:12:04,473 -Yeah, it was bad. -So we should bring her-- 1002 01:12:04,575 --> 01:12:05,841 [phil] to the vet, yeah. 1003 01:12:07,478 --> 01:12:09,712 I'm waiting for my lawyer to call this morning. 1004 01:12:12,616 --> 01:12:14,550 -Hello. -[ren] hello, phil. 1005 01:12:14,652 --> 01:12:16,885 Hey, ren. How you doing? 1006 01:12:16,987 --> 01:12:21,790 It's such an absurd thing that this corporation was able to buy their way 1007 01:12:21,892 --> 01:12:25,361 To be able to put me in this situation. It's insane. 1008 01:12:25,796 --> 01:12:27,696 [ren] all right, look, phil, it's the legal system. 1009 01:12:29,100 --> 01:12:33,502 So, then our best course of action would be, I guess, to continue. 1010 01:12:33,604 --> 01:12:36,138 [ren] you know that's... That's sort of door number one 1011 01:12:36,240 --> 01:12:38,674 Because that's sort of what's.. What was the path that we're o. 1012 01:12:38,776 --> 01:12:42,177 -[phil] yeah. -[ren] door number two is to continue to 1013 01:12:42,279 --> 01:12:44,813 See if there's anything reasonable here to say, 1014 01:12:44,915 --> 01:12:48,584 "look, you're not moving out of this for less than a hundred thousand dollars." 1015 01:12:48,686 --> 01:12:51,487 And I realize that that's a premium on the costs. 1016 01:12:51,589 --> 01:12:55,257 [phil] I'm less inclined to accept, really, any monetary resolution. 1017 01:12:55,359 --> 01:12:56,959 Sounds crazy, they know what the fuck I want. 1018 01:12:57,061 --> 01:12:58,794 Just move the fucking walrus to another facility 1019 01:12:58,896 --> 01:13:01,497 And this thing ends all together. 1020 01:13:01,599 --> 01:13:04,633 [ren] would you accept a resolution where there was no money changing hands at all? 1021 01:13:04,735 --> 01:13:06,168 -[phil] yes. -[ren] but they move the walrus? 1022 01:13:06,270 --> 01:13:07,336 [phil] yes. 1023 01:13:08,305 --> 01:13:09,438 [ren] um... 1024 01:13:10,541 --> 01:13:13,675 From a financial basis this is going to be very difficult to resolve, 1025 01:13:13,778 --> 01:13:16,512 But if they just want to send the walrus over, I'm done. I'm done. 1026 01:13:16,614 --> 01:13:19,882 [ren] yeah, okay. Let me... Let me raise that. 1027 01:13:19,984 --> 01:13:25,187 Um, all right, phil, I'll... I'll let you know if I have any updates later today 1028 01:13:25,289 --> 01:13:26,989 -And we'll talk to you soon, okay? -Okay, thanks, ren. 1029 01:13:27,091 --> 01:13:29,324 -[ren] all right, take care. Bye-bye. -Bye. Bye, ren. 1030 01:13:33,998 --> 01:13:37,399 When I say I want a walrus, they say, "well, that's crazy talk." 1031 01:13:37,501 --> 01:13:40,068 I don't know. I'm excited for the first time in a long time. 1032 01:13:40,171 --> 01:13:44,706 The time is now to focus on trying to get smooshi. 1033 01:13:44,809 --> 01:13:47,009 This is the window, this is the time. That's it. 1034 01:13:47,111 --> 01:13:49,178 [phone rings] 1035 01:13:49,280 --> 01:13:51,547 [christine] hello. Hi. 1036 01:13:52,783 --> 01:13:57,419 Hundred and eighty dollars for the culture? That's fine. 1037 01:13:57,488 --> 01:13:59,521 -It was already 200 bucks? -[christine] basically. 1038 01:13:59,623 --> 01:14:02,391 So we're at 400 bucks. We'll be at 400 bucks? 1039 01:14:02,993 --> 01:14:04,493 They've already got it on their mind. They're like-- 1040 01:14:04,595 --> 01:14:06,595 -It's for mama. -[phil] I know, I get it, like-- 1041 01:14:10,034 --> 01:14:11,633 [wind blowing] 1042 01:14:16,073 --> 01:14:21,944 [soft music playing] 1043 01:14:47,838 --> 01:14:52,875 [soft, dramatic music playing] 1044 01:15:03,254 --> 01:15:05,420 [phil] you go and you give this animal a name like zeus 1045 01:15:05,523 --> 01:15:08,323 Because he is meant to be this big majestic powerhouse. 1046 01:15:29,880 --> 01:15:31,480 There's two walruses left. 1047 01:15:34,351 --> 01:15:41,156 Before this became this big, massive, crazy, like story with lots of eyes on it, 1048 01:15:41,258 --> 01:15:45,327 This was me curled up in that room on a bedroom floor 1049 01:15:45,429 --> 01:15:49,831 Trying to figure out how it is that I can get the walrus back. 1050 01:15:49,934 --> 01:15:53,235 So, suddenly when the proposition of that comes around, 1051 01:15:53,337 --> 01:15:57,873 You know, you can't not give it a lot of consideration. 1052 01:15:59,677 --> 01:16:01,777 Marineland wants to silence me at any cost 1053 01:16:01,879 --> 01:16:04,346 And at this point they're considering silencing me with the walrus 1054 01:16:04,915 --> 01:16:06,982 And it's, obviously, very conflicting. 1055 01:16:07,084 --> 01:16:08,884 They want to take my twitter account. 1056 01:16:08,986 --> 01:16:13,055 I mean, my twitter account is the most valuable asset I have. 1057 01:16:13,791 --> 01:16:18,093 One of the concessions marineland would like to impose upon me is that I, uh, 1058 01:16:18,195 --> 01:16:21,930 No longer participate in the filming of this documentary. 1059 01:16:23,367 --> 01:16:27,069 You know I have to really carefully think about this, but I have to... 1060 01:16:27,171 --> 01:16:30,238 I have to look at what life would look like for me 1061 01:16:30,341 --> 01:16:33,942 If I couldn't speak of the injustices, and this isn't just about animals anymore. 1062 01:16:34,044 --> 01:16:37,312 There's a great deal of injustice going on all around this whole thing. 1063 01:16:40,084 --> 01:16:41,583 John holer's in the ground. 1064 01:16:43,220 --> 01:16:44,953 We could change this narrative. 1065 01:16:46,256 --> 01:16:47,556 [gavel bangs] 1066 01:16:54,698 --> 01:16:59,201 [indistinct chatter] 1067 01:17:01,672 --> 01:17:06,975 Mr., uh,chair, we offer that s-203 and clause 2 be amended 1068 01:17:07,077 --> 01:17:12,247 By replacing line 18 on page 2 with the following: 1069 01:17:12,349 --> 01:17:18,453 "everyone commits an offense who knowingly promotes, 1070 01:17:18,555 --> 01:17:20,255 Arranges, conducts, assists in." 1071 01:17:20,357 --> 01:17:23,558 So we are inserting one word, "knowingly." 1072 01:17:23,661 --> 01:17:28,330 [mr. Chair] all those in favor of the proposed amendment. Countermanded. 1073 01:17:29,700 --> 01:17:31,366 Amendment is defeated. 1074 01:17:32,136 --> 01:17:34,136 Shall the bill carry? 1075 01:17:34,638 --> 01:17:35,704 [man 22] on division. 1076 01:17:37,074 --> 01:17:42,010 [mr. Chair] okay. And shall the chair report the bill to the house? 1077 01:17:42,112 --> 01:17:43,378 [man 23] yes. Yes. 1078 01:17:43,480 --> 01:17:45,814 [mr. Chair] all right, thank you. 1079 01:17:49,086 --> 01:17:50,452 [phil] holy shit! We won. 1080 01:17:50,554 --> 01:17:53,088 [applause] 1081 01:17:53,190 --> 01:17:54,923 The bill passed. 1082 01:17:55,626 --> 01:17:58,226 [camille] good afternoon, it's camille labchuk here with animal justice. 1083 01:17:58,328 --> 01:18:00,996 I'm coming to you live to give you the really good news 1084 01:18:01,098 --> 01:18:06,168 That the committee just passed bill s-203 through committee with making zero amendments. 1085 01:18:06,270 --> 01:18:08,570 -May I now introduce you-- -oh, what's happening? Is there something going on here? 1086 01:18:08,672 --> 01:18:10,105 -Oh, hello. -This is phil demers. 1087 01:18:10,641 --> 01:18:13,475 [phil] what does it feel like to win something against all odds? 1088 01:18:15,612 --> 01:18:18,680 [woman 22] okay, right here. One, two, three. 1089 01:18:18,782 --> 01:18:21,883 -Yay! -Cetaceans, cetaceans. 1090 01:18:21,985 --> 01:18:23,552 [all laughing] 1091 01:18:23,654 --> 01:18:28,523 [indistinct chatter] 1092 01:18:28,625 --> 01:18:33,161 I am very grateful. It's kind of a combination of relief and joy here 1093 01:18:33,263 --> 01:18:37,766 Because it's been four and a half years since I started in on this project. 1094 01:18:38,502 --> 01:18:43,238 Hats off to everybody. I am still in disbelief, almost speechless, but, uh, thank you. 1095 01:18:46,710 --> 01:18:49,010 [serene music playing] 1096 01:18:49,613 --> 01:18:54,316 I guess, you know, you're supposed to pack up and go home and be, like, done. 1097 01:18:54,418 --> 01:18:57,686 It's just strange. It's strange to have like been involved so heavily in something 1098 01:18:57,788 --> 01:19:02,357 And have invested so much in it, to have it be finished like that. 1099 01:19:02,459 --> 01:19:04,426 I... So I watched the vote. It happened like this. [snaps fingers] 1100 01:19:05,429 --> 01:19:08,430 And I looked around like, "that's it, we're done?" "yeah. We win." 1101 01:19:12,736 --> 01:19:13,802 [phone whistles] 1102 01:19:19,877 --> 01:19:24,279 No, no, the bill does nothing for smooshi. 1103 01:19:24,381 --> 01:19:27,682 It's funny because as soon as the bill passed people are just like, "oh, what, no walruses?" 1104 01:19:27,818 --> 01:19:29,151 [chuckles] 1105 01:19:30,921 --> 01:19:35,457 When marineland opened this season, unbeknownst to us, 1106 01:19:35,559 --> 01:19:37,926 They opened with only one walrus 1107 01:19:38,028 --> 01:19:42,697 Because apollo, uh, had passed away. 1108 01:19:42,800 --> 01:19:49,504 That makes the fourth walrus to die in... In 24 months, leaving only smooshi now. 1109 01:19:49,606 --> 01:19:50,839 She's alone. 1110 01:19:55,813 --> 01:19:58,046 [crowd clapping] 1111 01:19:58,148 --> 01:20:00,348 [woman 23] ladies and gentlemen, phil demers. 1112 01:20:00,818 --> 01:20:03,718 [applause] 1113 01:20:03,821 --> 01:20:06,721 I don't have a phd. I'm not a scientist. 1114 01:20:07,524 --> 01:20:13,061 I'm not a public speaker, but I'm a fighter. 1115 01:20:14,131 --> 01:20:19,668 We're gonna free whales, we gotta free walruses, and seals, and sea lions as well. 1116 01:20:19,903 --> 01:20:23,004 [crowd cheering] 1117 01:20:28,412 --> 01:20:31,713 [ren over phone] the pressure, the "pressure" that they're trying to apply. 1118 01:20:31,815 --> 01:20:35,317 So, it's not like... It's like they're treating it like they have leverage when they don't. 1119 01:20:35,419 --> 01:20:38,153 I almost want to tell them just fucking tell these guys, "save the fucking headache. 1120 01:20:38,255 --> 01:20:39,821 Give me the fucking walrus and that's it." 1121 01:20:40,891 --> 01:20:44,926 No one else is gonna save smooshi, not without me. 1122 01:20:46,897 --> 01:20:50,432 This relationship is necessary for the world to see. 1123 01:20:50,801 --> 01:20:56,404 It will provide for people greater perspective on the emotional capacity 1124 01:20:56,506 --> 01:20:58,807 Of these animals and the... And the hell that they go through. 1125 01:21:00,911 --> 01:21:02,344 I'm smooshi's mom. 1126 01:21:04,081 --> 01:21:06,781 Everyone talks about reuniting animals to nature 1127 01:21:06,884 --> 01:21:09,818 And bringing them back to their natural environment. 1128 01:21:09,920 --> 01:21:13,321 What's more natural than reuniting a baby with its mother? 1129 01:21:14,324 --> 01:21:17,826 [ominous music playing] 1130 01:21:22,432 --> 01:21:29,471 I feel like everything's around the corner from disaster, 1131 01:21:30,107 --> 01:21:31,072 Like everything. 1132 01:21:31,675 --> 01:21:34,376 I can't smoke enough weed; it's not helping me. 1133 01:21:35,679 --> 01:21:37,545 I don't even want to tweet. 1134 01:21:40,417 --> 01:21:44,686 Everything feels weirdly done 1135 01:21:46,657 --> 01:21:49,858 And then I'll be left to face myself with that. 1136 01:21:53,897 --> 01:21:57,899 [gloomy music playing] 1137 01:22:22,492 --> 01:22:28,763 I don't... I don't, uh... Given how... How long it's taken to change 1138 01:22:28,865 --> 01:22:31,299 What we have changed, 1139 01:22:31,401 --> 01:22:36,738 When you start to win on an issue, uh, if it's an important issue to the "government," 1140 01:22:36,840 --> 01:22:41,042 Or to people that make money from it, they'll change the goal posts. 1141 01:22:41,144 --> 01:22:44,245 And so you have to fight harder and differently. 1142 01:22:44,348 --> 01:22:47,382 [woman 24] one, two, three. 1143 01:22:47,484 --> 01:22:50,085 [all] no walls for walruses! 1144 01:22:50,187 --> 01:22:52,687 No walls for walruses! 1145 01:22:52,789 --> 01:22:57,258 For years, nobody thought about the compassion and empathy of the animals 1146 01:22:57,361 --> 01:23:00,128 Until it became an issue of compassion and empathy, 1147 01:23:00,664 --> 01:23:03,732 And now that's what kids are being taught. 1148 01:23:04,167 --> 01:23:07,168 It doesn't make you a radical, 1149 01:23:07,771 --> 01:23:10,138 It just makes you someone who loves animals 1150 01:23:10,240 --> 01:23:13,675 And think that they should be able to live their lives under their rules, 1151 01:23:13,777 --> 01:23:15,677 Not forced under somebody else's. 1152 01:23:16,346 --> 01:23:20,148 [soft music playing] 1153 01:23:32,396 --> 01:23:36,698 We just mauled her. We just squished the hell out of her. 1154 01:23:37,200 --> 01:23:38,767 [phil] the vet was checking her and stuff. 1155 01:23:38,869 --> 01:23:40,335 She was up and then she wanted to lay down 1156 01:23:40,437 --> 01:23:42,504 And then they gave her the needle, you know, 1157 01:23:42,606 --> 01:23:45,306 There had to be kidney failure into congenital heart failure into... 1158 01:23:45,409 --> 01:23:48,109 -I mean, that's what happens when you live forever, right? -[christine] yeah. 1159 01:23:48,211 --> 01:23:51,479 The only thing I have left connected to marineland is kiska 1160 01:23:51,581 --> 01:23:55,583 Because now that mama's gone, she was a connection. 1161 01:23:55,685 --> 01:23:57,952 Mama. Well, we were very lucky to have her. 1162 01:24:03,460 --> 01:24:10,065 [serene music playing] 1163 01:24:26,550 --> 01:24:28,583 -[christine] sexy! -[phil] yeah. 1164 01:24:28,685 --> 01:24:32,187 [laughing] 1165 01:24:36,426 --> 01:24:40,662 [serene music playing] 1166 01:25:05,188 --> 01:25:10,625 [announcer] smooshi is a female weighing typically between 1,300 and 1,900 pounds 1167 01:25:10,727 --> 01:25:12,827 And grew up to 8 feet long. 1168 01:25:15,799 --> 01:25:19,000 [phil] I would put my hands on her face. I would let her know it's me. 1169 01:25:22,939 --> 01:25:25,573 Like I want to make it subtle that she finds me. 1170 01:25:25,675 --> 01:25:27,475 I don't want to find her. I want her to find me. 1171 01:25:27,577 --> 01:25:30,078 I want to just be there and I want her to do what she does. 1172 01:25:30,180 --> 01:25:33,815 So, she'll check the environment out and I want her to sort of stumble upon me 1173 01:25:33,917 --> 01:25:36,117 And I want to just see naturally what that reaction is. 1174 01:25:36,219 --> 01:25:39,420 I don't want to solicit a reaction. I want to see what happens. 1175 01:25:41,691 --> 01:25:46,127 I just want to blow into her nose because that's how we would communicate. 1176 01:25:46,796 --> 01:25:52,233 And if I can do that, if I can just have that face right here and then blow into that nose 1177 01:25:52,335 --> 01:25:54,135 And, you know, just to see those eyes glow again. 1178 01:25:54,237 --> 01:25:56,237 Oh, my god! Oh, it's impossible. 1179 01:25:56,339 --> 01:25:58,606 It's like, uh... It's the impossible. 1180 01:26:04,247 --> 01:26:10,018 [serene music playing] 1181 01:26:17,727 --> 01:26:22,797 ♪ would you rather be more than he things that you say ♪ 1182 01:26:22,899 --> 01:26:24,532 ♪ or just be the words ♪ 1183 01:26:24,634 --> 01:26:28,002 ♪ that you sing to yourself in your head ♪ 1184 01:26:30,607 --> 01:26:33,007 ♪ when nobody's around ♪ 1185 01:26:36,112 --> 01:26:39,647 ♪ or would you rather be a part of the crowd ♪ 1186 01:26:39,749 --> 01:26:42,383 ♪ or just a single sound ♪ 1187 01:26:44,020 --> 01:26:47,121 ♪ waiting to be heard ♪ 1188 01:26:49,226 --> 01:26:51,693 ♪ do you know what I mean? ♪ 1189 01:26:55,098 --> 01:27:00,168 ♪ well, you could be one of the lovers or liars ♪ 1190 01:27:00,270 --> 01:27:06,107 ♪ hiding all the things they do on the back of their hands ♪ 1191 01:27:07,711 --> 01:27:10,245 ♪ well, it's just you and me ♪ 1192 01:27:14,818 --> 01:27:20,154 [policeman] okay, so the reason I'm here is because, uh, police got a call from marineland, 1193 01:27:20,257 --> 01:27:22,257 Uh, expressing some concern. 1194 01:27:22,359 --> 01:27:26,628 So there was a twitter message saying, "life is short. Steal a walrus." 1195 01:27:26,730 --> 01:27:28,396 [phil] [chuckles] I'm sorry. 1196 01:27:29,699 --> 01:27:34,435 ["quiet crowd" playing] 1197 01:27:39,643 --> 01:27:40,975 [bicycle bell rings] 1198 01:27:47,884 --> 01:27:52,587 ♪ dear, mr. Quiet who's got so much to say ♪ 1199 01:27:52,689 --> 01:27:57,225 ♪ so much more than all of the sleeping parade ♪ 1200 01:27:57,327 --> 01:27:59,594 ♪ if I could tie up a string ♪ 1201 01:27:59,696 --> 01:28:02,930 ♪ to your mouths and make you scream ♪ 1202 01:28:03,033 --> 01:28:07,468 ♪ all of the things that you keep to your self ♪ 1203 01:28:09,239 --> 01:28:12,974 ♪ I'd love to get to know you better ♪ 1204 01:28:14,544 --> 01:28:17,712 ♪ dear, mr. Quiet ♪ 1205 01:28:18,581 --> 01:28:22,550 ♪ I'd love to get to know you better ♪ 1206 01:28:28,658 --> 01:28:31,025 ♪ when nobody's around ♪ 1207 01:28:34,731 --> 01:28:38,900 ♪ while we're all staring at the end of the world ♪ 1208 01:28:39,002 --> 01:28:43,338 ♪ will everybody have their hands on their head♪ 1209 01:28:43,440 --> 01:28:45,073 ♪ while they say ♪ 1210 01:28:47,477 --> 01:28:53,648 ♪ well, I told you so oh, oh, oh ♪ 1211 01:28:53,750 --> 01:28:56,918 ♪ while everybody's walking their own way ♪ 1212 01:28:57,020 --> 01:28:59,620 ♪ through the quiet crowd ♪ 1213 01:29:00,523 --> 01:29:04,559 ♪ all thinking the same old things ♪ 1214 01:29:06,496 --> 01:29:07,495 ♪ if they only knew ♪ 112060

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