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[tranquil music playing]
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[phil demers]
when I was initially called
a whistleblower,
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It was by an investigative
journalist who said,
"you'll be a whistleblower."
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[soft music playing]
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Whistleblower, I blew whistles
for years at marineland,
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But it was, uh... It was to tel
the dolphins to come back
to the stage and get their fis.
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[soft music playing]
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[cheering]
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I don't do speeches, so I was...
I was born a rambling man.
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There's a walrus back there.
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Her name is smooshi and
I gotta get her out of there.
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[tranquil music playing]
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[bell dings]
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[woman 1]
♪ story goes ♪
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♪ friendship cove ♪
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♪ everyone loves marineland ♪
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♪ you'll be spinning, diving
and soaring high ♪
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♪ our roller coaster ride
will fly you to the sky ♪
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♪ now you know what you'll say
when you leave here today ♪
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♪ everyone loves marineland ♪
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Yeah, the words have changed
except for the tagline
at the end.
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♪ and the sea lions do this
and the whales do that ♪
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♪ everyone loves marineland ♪
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Even when we were kids that song
came on and you were so excited,
you know,
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"oh, I get to go to marineland."
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♪ watching the whales
and dolphins play ♪
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It's there all the time
and I'm still singing the song.
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♪ everyone loves marineland ♪
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One of the things that made
niagara falls more popular
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And brought in more families
with young children, especially,
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Was the opening of marineland
in 1961.
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[man 1] pick up your free
children's passes to marineland
and game farm.
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The marineland and game farm
is open all day, every day
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And features a thrilling
underwater show starring
jeff the seal, trained dolphin,
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And an underwater valley.
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[water splashes]
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[soft music playing]
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[phil] I started my job
at marineland on, uh,
March 11th of the year 2000.
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So I was 22-year-old kid.
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They had decided that, "hey,
let's put phil in the show.
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Let's... Let's have him
swim with an orca."
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And so they called me,
they said, "okay,
you want to come up front?"
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I'm like, "for what?"
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They're like, "we'll let...
We'll let you know
when you get here."
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Okay, so I show up,
they're like,
"put a wetsuit on."
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You know, I had no training.
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I'd... I'd... I'd all but
touched an orca and fed him
at this point,
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But, yeah,
they put me in the water,
no experience whatsoever,
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I was making 6 dollars
and 85 cents an hour
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And I was swimming with
killer whales, you know, mere
months after starting my job.
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[tranquil music playing]
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[doug draper] I sat down with
john in his park one sunny
afternoon for an interview.
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He looked like a guy
that was going around
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Just checking to make sure
the washroom facilities
were working properly.
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This is the owner
of this tourist empire?
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See, he loved walt disney
and he would say, "well,
disney does it like this."
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And john wanted that degree
of sophistication
and I think he was envious.
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[phil] he's an older man,
wise, successful,
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He felt a bit fatherly
and so we had some
really powerful interactions.
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[doug] he was from slovenia.
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He told me that in his younger
years while he was still there,
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He cut his teeth, uh,
training circus animals.
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This was his culture.
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[upbeat music playing]
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[dan long] it was the biggest
game in town back then.
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On a busy weekend, we would
do five-six shows maybe,
several thousand people a show.
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It's 23.66.
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24, 25, 30 and 40 dollars.
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[ted salci] marineland was
the first of its kind
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To hire as many people
as it does every year.
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I believe about 800 people
a year.
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Very, very strong commitment
to the public in niagara
for... For jobs.
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And more than half of the hotel
rooms are filled in this area
because of this attraction.
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[man 2] it's been a very special
week for us here in marineland,
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A week of special thrills
and a week of special happiness.
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[phil] I got to work with orcas
and dolphins and seals
and sea lions,
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But then there was this
low rumbling rumor that we might
be getting a walrus
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And I'll never forget it because
I remember saying,
"well, where would we put it?
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Like, we don't have
a walrus thing."
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A couple of days later,
we show up to work
and there's a baby walrus.
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[soft music playing]
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"look, she keeps smooshing
against me. Look at this.
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What do you call this,
smooshing?
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But she keeps...
Look, smooshing."
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Uh, her name just
became smooshi.
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We were undergoing a procedure
where we were trying to get
blood work done.
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So the procedure is that you put
the net on the walruses
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And then you wrestle them down
and then a vet draws the blood.
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Smooshi was barking
and she's climbing the trainers,
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So I sought to move her away
from the scene.
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All I did was, I'm tapping
her... I'm tapping her
to get her attention
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While she's trying to
smash everybody
and she looked up at me
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And I put my hands
in front of her face
and she took this big breath
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And her nostrils went big
and wide and her eyes got big
and at that exact moment,
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Unbeknownst to me,
I don't know this, yet,
but I've imprinted on her.
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It was this and that was the
exact moment, no question,
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The window was this big,
it happened.
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And, in that moment,
I became her mom.
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Hey, smoosh.
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Pretty snow hats.
Look at your snow hat, huh?
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Look at your snow hat.
Look at your snow hat.
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That's good.
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Hey, walrus, what are you doing?
What are you doing, huh?
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What are you doing?
Okay, that's a good girl.
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She was like, uh,
just the sweetest
and most perfect little...
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I guess best described
as ball of innocence.
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She was... She could just...
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And it's not because she's
the apple of my eye
that she could do no wrong,
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It wasn't like that,
it was like... She was...
She was a brat.
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I have more questions
and answers about this.
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This is really a phenomenon
and there is something called
imprinting in animals
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When baby animals
bond to their mothers
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And it's conceivable
she thinks of phil
as her mother.
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[inaudible].
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[phil] I mean,
our hands are full suddenly.
We're walrusland.
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Look. Look at buttercup.
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Sonja, zeus and apollo,
smooshi and buttercup.
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When it was established
that I was the walrus whisperer,
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It was because I could
physically have four or five
walruses in front of me
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And I could say, "let's go!"
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[cheering]
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A woman by the name
of elizabeth shearer,
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She was looking for any type
of cute story she could run
on a valentine's day article
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In the toronto star.
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And so in 2007
that first article ran
and thereafter
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It just became this ever-growing
momentum-building thing.
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It progressed to a different
live morning radio interviews
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And then, eventually, uh,
it would be a story
in cbc's the national
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And then, eventually, it would
even get to jimmy kimmel,
like late night talk show.
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This is a heartwarming tale
of...
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And it's a kind of bond that cn
develop between animals
and people.
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For three years, this trainer
at marineland in ontario
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Has been working
with a walrus named--
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Smooshi is a walrus who lives
at niagara falls, marineland.
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He is at the center of
a love triangle between
his girlfriend, and a walrus.
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[man 3] a 900-pound female
walrus chases a woman away
from her handsome, male handle.
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You love me, moosh?
Do you, yeah? Give me a kiss.
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[soft music playing]
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Christine was a trainer
at marineland
for as long as I was.
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She started a few months
before me.
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She was kiska's primary trainer.
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One of the first persons
that I crossed paths with
was christine.
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Uh, we were at a doorway
in, uh, in the trainer's room
and, uh, she had purple hair.
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And, you know, she's one of the
first people that said hi to me
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And if I'm not mistaken,
one of the first things
she said was like,
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"oh, what kind of music
do you listen to?"
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-I always liked christine.
-Yes, it's true.
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[phil] I always joked around
every time she came around--
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You have to tell the stories.
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[phil] I would tell people...
Like, if anyone come around,
like she... She...
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I worked at the front in the
stadium where you do the show.
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She was... Her focus was with
the killer whales at the back.
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And you always flirted with me.
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[phil] I would flirt with
christine. So what I would do is
anyone would show up--
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-Only me.
-[phil] in the front,
they were coming
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To pick up our garbage
or something, I'd say,
"oh, where's christine?"
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They'd be like, "oh,
she's at the back." I'd be like,
"tell her I said hi."
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Yeah, and that's what everyone
says to me
when they come see me,
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"oh, by the way,
phil said hi."
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-[phil] yeah, I'd do that a lot.
-Always.
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Do you remember
what you used to say?
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"oh, hey. Oh, hi crids."
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Oh, wait, no you didn't
call me crids yet.
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"oh, hi christine." and then
you would flip your whistle.
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[phil] yeah, well,
that's my [inaudible].
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I'm getting tears in my eyes.
It's so funny.
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-[phil]
we ran the show at marineland.
-It's true.
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[phil] oh, yeah.
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-Are you recording me?
-[man 4] yeah, because it says
recording at the top.
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That's right. Now push it
again and see if it stops.
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You know, over time you become
good at what you do.
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You enjoy the company of others
and the place becomes
like a family-like environment.
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You know, I loved them all.
We really were
a tight-knit group.
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It was a... Quite a perfect fit
for me, the job.
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[whistling]
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[orca calls]
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Johnny, john holer's son who was
a good friend of mine,
he had a good heart, good sense.
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Johnny liked me because, uh, I
was someone he could smoke
cigarettes and swear around.
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If I needed something
it was a waste to go to john.
I would just go to johnny.
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Johnny would get into trouble
a lot of times for me,
specifically for me.
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[suspenseful music playing]
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[doug] the only thing that we're
reading in the local media
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Were stories about the birth
of another baby whale.
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They were getting that
kind of coverage.
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I took a look in our own files
of the st. Catharines standard,
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There was one story
that struck me,
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About one particular whale, uh,
at marineland.
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The headline was
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"baby jane upset
injures herself."
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I mean a picture tells a huge
story and that one did for me.
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When I... I look back on who was
protesting out there and who
was doing it first, nafa.
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That's niagara action
for animals, and it was always
catherine ens
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Who was the leader
of that organization
in the late 1980s.
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I'm an anti-speciesist.
I guess that's the best way
to describe it.
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I would like to see animals
stop being exploited,
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Stop being used,
um, for anything.
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I would like to see no
more marine mammals
in captivity, period.
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That's... That's the
bottom line.
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[phil] I didn't like the idea
that these guys are telling me
what I'm doing wrong
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And they didn't even know
the half of it.
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I'm just like,
"you guys got nothing."
that's the best part.
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Like, they were saying,
"these animals just shouldn't be
in captivity."
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It's like okay, well,
that's an easy one.
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You've got, uh, 20,000 people
on this side of the fence
paying 50 dollars a head
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Saying that they should be
in captivity and you got
12 people saying no.
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[indistinct chatter]
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[man 5] activists fought
with police today at marineland
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During a demonstration
to protest
whale and dolphin captivity.
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American activist ben white
was defiant till the end.
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You don't go to marineland,
please.
Think about what you're doing.
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We have the best record
of all the parks, marine parks,
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In north america
as far as keeping
these animals alive.
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[dan] I was quite a number of
years distant from marineland
at that time
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And, in my mind,
I had become anti-captivity.
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I spoke to captivity in general.
I didn't slam marineland.
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I knew guys that
worked there still
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And... And they were doing
the best they could
with what they had
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And that's when the problem
started with john holer.
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I had to work at marineland
in my capacity with the hydro
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Which is what I was doing
at that time.
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So we had to go on the property
and do a job
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And I was talking to a couple
of guys I used to work with.
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And one of the guys said,
"oh, well, if john sees you,
he's going to go crazy."
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And sure enough, john showed up
and veins bulging out of his...
Of his forehead,
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He... He threatened to put
a bullet in my brain.
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"if I see you
on this property again."
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One of the very first times
we were, uh, leafleting
at the, um, entrance gate,
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He came out and there were three
of us there and he said words
to the effect that
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He had a gun
in the back of his truck
and that he would use it.
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And he was very angry.
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In fact, I thought he might be
on the verge of like suffering
some kind of heart attack.
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Like, his face just went
completely beet red.
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This is the closest I've ever
been to evil in my life,
like, literally.
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[man 6] come on, he's just
doing his job, man.
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You're lucky you don't have
a knife. I'm lucky
you don't have a knife.
236
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-So you would stab me
if you had a knife?
-That's right.
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-Wow.
-Yeah, right here.
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-Oh, you'd kill me right here?
-Oh, I would bury you
right here.
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You would bury me right here?
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-You wouldn't even bother to
put me in the mass graves.
-No.
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[doug] he was so proud
of what he had done
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And he had received so much
positive reinforcement for it
in the community--
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Sir, you want a leaflet?
All right, have a nice day.
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See, john, all we're doing
is asking.
People don't have to take it.
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We don't need to take it.
You're nothing, but uh, uh, uh--
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-A whale. A whale.
-An idiot. An idiot.
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[doug] he just didn't get why
there were now people coming out
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And saying,
"no, this isn't right."
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He's starting to get
a little furious here.
250
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[tranquil music playing]
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Once upon a time
marineland had...
Had a lot of power and control.
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The city worked in hand with
what marineland wanted.
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[man 7] john holer has a...
A large portion of the land
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Between niagara falls
and the village of chippawa,
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Probably about a thousand acres.
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[man 8] you know when you're
called the king of niagara,
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You start to think you're a king
of sorts, of a place.
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[naomi rose] there is a breed
of person, man...
There's a breed of man,
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Egomaniacal, narcissistic.
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They have a tendency to run
safari wildlife parks
and dolphinariums.
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There's a guy in the
canary islands who's like that.
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There's a guy
in the dominican republic
who's like that.
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And there was john holer
who was the king of all of them
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In terms of that
hoarding tendency.
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[waves crashing]
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[phil] normally, you don't know
the backstory of how an animal
comes into possession.
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You don't know that
much about them.
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Smooshi spent some time
at a russian facility.
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It's widely accepted that
what happens, uh, is
these captors will storm a beach
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Which will cause a panic.
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And in all that,
there's a corralling
of the calves
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And there are several scenarios
where the mother is slaughtered
and the baby abducted.
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[blows]
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[soft music playing]
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[indistinct chatter]
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They're put in these quite small
wooden boxes
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And they're... They're merely
taken off a cargo plane in, uh,
at the airport
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And then driven to marineland
where they're unloaded.
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Uh, all of which happens
overnight when nobody except
for the select few people know.
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Every couple of hours,
you show up with a warm bottle
and hope she eats
281
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And, eventually,
you have fish in this hand.
282
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So you're going, bottle,
bottle, bottle, fish.
283
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Try it... You want to try it?
No. Okay, bottle, bottle,
bottle, fish.
284
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You want to try it?
Oh, fish. Oh, good.
Bottle, bottle.
285
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The next job for the next few
months is get them on fish.
286
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Get them off the bottle
and on fish.
287
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All training is based on
food deprivation, all of it.
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If a trainer or anybody
in this... In the industry has
said to you, "we don't do that.
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We reinforce positive behavior.
We, blah, blah, blah, blah,
blah..."
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Whatever which way that
they try to define
what it is that they do,
291
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They've convinced
themselves of
they're not lying.
292
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[seal calls]
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The animals live behind
these bars on this very short,
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Maybe six, seven-foot platform
295
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Into these very shallow
and small pools.
296
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That's their existence 24/7
unless they're performing.
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The only reason an animal would
be taken out
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Would be either for training,
uh, medical purposes,
or to perform.
299
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And whether
it's born in captivity or not,
300
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It carries the weight and stress
of... Of that trauma
301
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Of being out of its element,
every single day.
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That's abuse.
That's an abused animal.
303
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[soft music playing]
304
00:21:05,219 --> 00:21:10,489
There comes a point where
suddenly you used to make sense
of things you can't no more,
305
00:21:10,591 --> 00:21:12,124
The excuses are gone.
306
00:21:13,627 --> 00:21:15,861
I know that the animals
at marineland are medicated
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Because I was the one
giving them the drugs.
308
00:21:18,565 --> 00:21:23,068
Take a fish, you break the
membrane, take your pills
and you stuff them in.
309
00:21:23,937 --> 00:21:25,971
Obviously, you get into valium
310
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And we tried various forms
of actual
like human antidepressants.
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00:21:31,378 --> 00:21:33,779
[soft music playing]
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In September of 2011,
there was a, uh, breakdown
in the water disinfection unit,
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The ozone generator broke, uh,
which meant
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We now had to rely on
the increased use of chlorine.
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[soft music playing]
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Sea lions had to get taken out
of the water, isolated in dry
environments for months on end.
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Well, their skin was just
falling off,
their skin was bleeding,
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It was dry, it was crusty,
they were in their own filth.
319
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We couldn't clean, uh, their
little stations adequately
enough.
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They were writhing in pain.
We couldn't get enough meds
to them.
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00:22:16,423 --> 00:22:18,924
Well, smooshi was not immune
to the effects of the water.
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She had chemical burns.
So much of her fur
was coming off.
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Her rear flippers were really
red and inflamed.
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You bring the vet down,
you're like, "just look at her."
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"oh, oh, yeah, ee-uh.
That's chemical burn.
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00:22:30,938 --> 00:22:34,773
Ah, ooh. Okay,
better get some antibiotics."
you're like, "oh, wait a second.
327
00:22:35,943 --> 00:22:38,276
Shouldn't we be getting the
chlorine out of the water?"
328
00:22:38,379 --> 00:22:40,812
What do you mean antibiotics?
Shouldn't we be
dumping this water?
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We lose our mind about it.
We call the owner,
"get in here and address this."
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"okay, I'm going to."
the next day you show up
it's even worse.
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I sat down next to my supervisor
at the time and said, "how the
hell can we continue like this?"
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And he said, "you know what
I like about you, phil?
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The more shit we throw at you,
the more you keep coming back."
334
00:23:01,268 --> 00:23:04,302
I fucking pulled out my phone,
I texted the vet.
"I just fucking quit."
335
00:23:04,371 --> 00:23:06,071
"no, you did not."
"yes, I did."
336
00:23:06,173 --> 00:23:08,473
She e-mails the cfo, says,
"no. You cannot let phil quit."
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00:23:08,609 --> 00:23:11,343
She says smooshi needs him,
echo needs him."
she lists animals.
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"phil is the best.
Do not let him go."
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00:23:17,651 --> 00:23:20,552
On my very last day as I am
literally packing everything up,
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John decided finally
it's time to dump that water.
341
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I don't know that he was
doing it otherwise.
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00:23:27,094 --> 00:23:32,531
Prior to my leaving, I insisted
that I have a meeting
with cfo, tracy and john
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And, uh, I stressed to them, um,
that given my relationship
with smooshi,
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It's in their best interest,
of course,
and they acknowledged,
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Uh, that I remain,
uh, available to them.
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00:23:43,710 --> 00:23:46,077
My understanding was firm,
"come back any time."
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00:23:51,151 --> 00:23:52,851
So in accordance
to our agreement,
348
00:23:52,953 --> 00:23:58,423
I showed up to marineland,
but they weren't letting me in.
349
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Well, it just so happened as...
As a one of those odd,
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Perfect scenarios to unfold,
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Uh, johnny suddenly appears
and he puts his arm around me
and says, "so, what's going on?"
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I said, "they're not... They're
not letting me in the park."
353
00:24:14,274 --> 00:24:15,774
He says, "you're like family
here, phil. Of course,
you're getting in the park."
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00:24:17,044 --> 00:24:19,978
[soft music playing]
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00:24:22,082 --> 00:24:27,219
And I walk right back to smooshi
and, ah, she's in rough shape.
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[calls]
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And so I decided to speak.
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That was the choice.
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Walk away, move on,
get a job doing whatever
360
00:24:49,042 --> 00:24:53,111
And look the other way,
or save smooshi.
361
00:24:55,182 --> 00:25:00,185
[gloomy music playing]
362
00:25:22,142 --> 00:25:25,010
That is the incident that
changed everything.
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00:25:27,347 --> 00:25:29,514
[soft music playing]
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[woman 2] former staff members
are leveling some
shocking allegations
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Of animal neglect against the
popular niagara falls
theme park, marineland.
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00:25:37,391 --> 00:25:40,892
[phil] over the course of my
tenure at marineland,
I was witness to things
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00:25:40,994 --> 00:25:47,465
That people would never imagine
a place like marineland
to be capable of.
368
00:25:47,568 --> 00:25:53,338
I heard what phil was saying
and I could back up everything
phil was saying was the truth.
369
00:25:53,941 --> 00:25:58,143
I was seeing animals suffering
on a daily basis there
when I left.
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00:26:00,113 --> 00:26:04,883
The basic example I always give
is the, quote, unquote,
"beluga rodeo."
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00:26:04,985 --> 00:26:08,954
There's like 10-12 belugas
in a pool, they drop the water
down to knee level
372
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And then all the trainers run in
and jump on top of a beluga
to restrain it.
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[glen owen] one of the beluga
whales, peanut, was not taking
well to the scenario
374
00:26:17,631 --> 00:26:19,931
And, uh,
she started freaking out.
375
00:26:20,033 --> 00:26:23,301
And, um, started thrashing
her tail against the ground.
376
00:26:23,403 --> 00:26:25,537
And then the vet will come in
and give it an injection.
377
00:26:26,173 --> 00:26:30,408
While it's happening,
peanut is, uh,
gushing out blood.
378
00:26:30,510 --> 00:26:32,077
The water will turn red.
379
00:26:32,179 --> 00:26:35,413
At which point,
chunks are coming off her tail
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00:26:35,515 --> 00:26:38,950
And through it all
we are getting covered in blood.
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00:26:39,786 --> 00:26:43,755
While all this is happening,
the head vet who was
looking over the procedure,
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00:26:43,857 --> 00:26:48,393
Shouted up to john,
who was up above to call it off.
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00:26:48,495 --> 00:26:51,763
We're not doing this anymore.
And john said, "no, keep going."
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00:26:53,533 --> 00:26:55,266
So we did, right?
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00:26:55,369 --> 00:26:57,836
You find out other things like
seaworld has them trained
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00:26:57,938 --> 00:27:04,042
To just come in and present
their tail without any need
for restraint or anything
387
00:27:04,144 --> 00:27:06,611
And the vet can just inject them
and they swim away,
388
00:27:06,713 --> 00:27:12,150
But at marineland being the
wild, wild west that it was that
was how we had to do it.
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00:27:13,487 --> 00:27:17,222
[man 9] now we have asked
marineland and its owner
to come on today's show
390
00:27:17,324 --> 00:27:19,457
And tell their side
of the story.
391
00:27:19,559 --> 00:27:25,630
They replied that there is,
"no other side to this story.
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00:27:25,732 --> 00:27:28,266
There is no story."
393
00:27:30,003 --> 00:27:32,170
[upbeat music playing]
394
00:27:33,106 --> 00:27:36,007
Four or five dolphins
passed away when I was there.
395
00:27:36,843 --> 00:27:41,946
A walrus passed away when
I was there, lots of belugas
passed away when I worked there.
396
00:27:42,049 --> 00:27:45,116
[man 10] where do marineland's
animals go when they die?
397
00:27:45,218 --> 00:27:48,887
A published report says,
thousands of bodies from
deer to whales are buried
398
00:27:48,989 --> 00:27:51,790
In mass graves here,
on the park property.
399
00:27:51,892 --> 00:27:58,630
[angel] kandu, nootka, athena
and hudson are all killer whales
that passed away.
400
00:28:07,874 --> 00:28:13,178
It was shocking, like, you just
don't think that they'd die,
especially the young ones.
401
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:17,082
[man 10] in response,
marineland's head veterinarian
gave global news a tour
402
00:28:17,184 --> 00:28:20,585
Of their facilities
insisting the animals there
are well taken care of.
403
00:28:21,021 --> 00:28:24,322
That was really the first
inside look that the public got
404
00:28:24,424 --> 00:28:27,092
On what someone's perception
of the inside was.
405
00:28:27,594 --> 00:28:34,432
[doug] they turned a local story
into a national, if not
international, news story.
406
00:28:34,868 --> 00:28:39,504
You go from the niagara action
for animals people
doing their protest,
407
00:28:39,606 --> 00:28:44,709
Where there'd be maybe
50 of them to the whole front
of the park being full.
408
00:28:44,811 --> 00:28:46,911
[applauding]
409
00:28:47,013 --> 00:28:51,282
Uh, there's a walrus back there.
Her name is smooshi.
410
00:28:55,455 --> 00:28:57,122
She's the one
that I think about...
411
00:29:02,229 --> 00:29:03,394
And I gotta get her
out of there.
412
00:29:05,565 --> 00:29:09,801
[catherine] at that time
there was no fence around the
perimeter of the parking lot.
413
00:29:10,403 --> 00:29:12,170
There was a lot of energy
that day.
414
00:29:12,272 --> 00:29:15,640
People just got carried away
in the moment.
415
00:29:15,742 --> 00:29:19,477
Shut it down!
Shut it down!
Shut it down!
416
00:29:19,579 --> 00:29:22,580
[woman 3] hundreds of protesters
plowed their way
through the gates
417
00:29:22,682 --> 00:29:27,118
Chasing down marineland owner
john holer who was behind
the wheel of that gray truck.
418
00:29:27,220 --> 00:29:30,889
[all] arrest, arrest,
arrest john holer!
419
00:29:30,991 --> 00:29:34,392
Arrest, arrest,
arrest john holer!
420
00:29:34,494 --> 00:29:38,429
-Arrest, arrest--
-leave the property now please.
421
00:29:38,532 --> 00:29:42,834
[all] shut it down!
Shut it down!
Shut it down!
422
00:29:42,936 --> 00:29:46,271
-Shut it down!
-It's a bit of a shock,
but in a way that you think,
423
00:29:46,373 --> 00:29:49,140
"yes, animal liberation
is around the corner."
424
00:29:49,242 --> 00:29:50,742
[soft music playing]
425
00:29:51,444 --> 00:29:54,946
If by virtue of perfect timing
johnny doesn't see me
rejected at the gate
426
00:29:55,048 --> 00:29:57,515
And personally escort me
into the park that day,
427
00:29:57,617 --> 00:29:59,617
I don't see smooshi
in the condition she's in.
428
00:29:59,719 --> 00:30:02,620
[all] shut it down!
Shut it down!
429
00:30:02,722 --> 00:30:03,788
None of this happens.
430
00:30:03,890 --> 00:30:05,623
[soft music playing]
431
00:30:05,725 --> 00:30:09,894
And, uh, I think johnny was
made to feel the guilt for that.
432
00:30:09,996 --> 00:30:12,564
[indistinct chatter]
433
00:30:12,666 --> 00:30:17,435
I had the greatest hope
for a change with john jr.
434
00:30:17,537 --> 00:30:19,838
Uh, I know he had his issues,
435
00:30:19,940 --> 00:30:23,308
But he was always getting
a... A stonewall from his father
436
00:30:23,410 --> 00:30:29,147
And one of the saddest things
I ever heard was the day that
I heard he had passed away.
437
00:30:29,249 --> 00:30:32,884
It was a... It was a loss
for the... For marineland.
438
00:30:34,521 --> 00:30:36,454
[phil] I remember the last
message johnny sent me.
439
00:30:36,556 --> 00:30:39,824
He said, "I got in a lot of
trouble for letting you
into the park.
440
00:30:39,926 --> 00:30:42,293
Come visit me."
441
00:30:42,395 --> 00:30:46,064
And I didn't reply to the
message, and so it would prove
to be our last words.
442
00:30:47,367 --> 00:30:49,467
[soft music playing]
443
00:30:49,569 --> 00:30:53,872
Eventually, there would be
an excess of 15
whistleblowers speaking out
444
00:30:54,875 --> 00:30:57,609
[tranquil music playing]
445
00:30:59,846 --> 00:31:02,347
And that's when marineland
had decided they'd had enough
446
00:31:02,449 --> 00:31:07,151
And they were going to start
suing people in an effort
to try to stop the bleeding.
447
00:31:07,254 --> 00:31:10,221
They had to make people
scared to speak.
448
00:31:11,124 --> 00:31:15,894
[tranquil music playing]
449
00:31:19,633 --> 00:31:25,904
Yeah, heh, it's still insane,
every time I see that.
450
00:31:26,606 --> 00:31:32,677
In February of 2013,
phil was sued for 1.5 million
dollars by marineland.
451
00:31:32,779 --> 00:31:35,947
[tense music playing]
452
00:31:41,254 --> 00:31:46,190
Mr. Demers and others agreed on
or about October 7, 2012,
453
00:31:46,293 --> 00:31:51,229
To unlawfully gain entry
into marineland in order to
steal smooshi the walrus.
454
00:31:51,698 --> 00:31:54,532
[upbeat music playing]
455
00:31:55,635 --> 00:31:58,903
Phil's case is one where he's
been sued and accused of,
456
00:31:59,005 --> 00:32:01,606
Essentially trespassing
on marineland's property
457
00:32:01,708 --> 00:32:04,175
And interfering with
the economic relations
458
00:32:04,277 --> 00:32:06,544
Between marineland
and its customers.
459
00:32:06,646 --> 00:32:11,649
And this all seems to be drawn
from a particular protest
in October of 2012
460
00:32:11,751 --> 00:32:16,821
That they took issue with
and they say that... That phil
was trespassing on that day.
461
00:32:16,923 --> 00:32:19,190
Phil disagrees with that
and denies it,
462
00:32:19,292 --> 00:32:23,127
But, um, it's not a
particularly complicated set of
facts to get to the bottom of.
463
00:32:26,499 --> 00:32:29,367
[phil] I come from a place
called welland, ontario,
and I'm frenchman.
464
00:32:29,469 --> 00:32:31,836
I mean, it's probably
another thing to stress,
465
00:32:31,938 --> 00:32:35,306
But I don't know any other way
to deal with things
other than sort of fight it out.
466
00:32:35,742 --> 00:32:38,443
I'm weaponizing marineland's
intent to ruin my life.
467
00:32:38,545 --> 00:32:43,414
I took the sword, I put my hands
on it as they tried to do this,
too... I cut myself, right?
468
00:32:43,516 --> 00:32:46,451
I pulled it from them,
turned it around. [zaps]
469
00:32:47,187 --> 00:32:49,253
[joe rogan] what's the correct
pronunciation
of your last name demers?
470
00:32:49,356 --> 00:32:50,254
-[phil] demers.
-[joe] demers.
471
00:32:50,357 --> 00:32:51,723
[phil] demers works.
472
00:32:51,825 --> 00:32:53,358
You're known as the
walrus whisperer.
473
00:32:53,460 --> 00:32:55,994
That's you... Your handle
on twitter.
474
00:32:56,796 --> 00:33:00,164
[phil]
a person like me can launch
a crowd-sourcing campaign
475
00:33:00,266 --> 00:33:02,633
And raise monies
to fight this lawsuit.
476
00:33:02,736 --> 00:33:04,369
I have a lot of supporters,
an army almost.
477
00:33:05,071 --> 00:33:09,007
[upbeat music playing]
478
00:33:09,909 --> 00:33:12,477
[joe rogan] I think you opened
up a lot of people's eyes to it.
479
00:33:12,579 --> 00:33:16,848
I got a lot of tweets
from people, um,
and facebook messages
480
00:33:16,950 --> 00:33:19,317
That said they would never go
to marineland again.
481
00:33:19,786 --> 00:33:22,687
[upbeat music playing]
482
00:33:28,028 --> 00:33:31,763
[phil] basically, they want to
take away my right
to, uh, free expression
483
00:33:31,865 --> 00:33:34,365
-And they have my walrus.
-[joe rogan] and they have
your walrus.
484
00:33:35,235 --> 00:33:38,036
[phil] that's their bargaining
chip. That's what they got.
485
00:33:39,205 --> 00:33:44,242
Marineland will threaten
to sue you if you talk to me
or if you publish my words.
486
00:33:44,344 --> 00:33:46,611
It's libel chill.
It's a strategy.
487
00:33:48,281 --> 00:33:50,281
[dan] what have you gotten me
into, phil?
488
00:33:50,383 --> 00:33:53,117
Phil lives just across
the river behind me.
489
00:33:53,219 --> 00:33:54,352
[phil] get a lawyer.
490
00:33:54,454 --> 00:33:56,120
[laughs]
491
00:33:56,222 --> 00:33:59,590
He said, "get a lawyer."
it's not what I want to hear.
492
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,194
[upbeat music playing]
493
00:34:08,968 --> 00:34:11,702
[carolynn] I think
it's very hard to go up
against the goliath.
494
00:34:15,475 --> 00:34:18,042
I hate to see somebody ruined
over their beliefs.
495
00:34:18,144 --> 00:34:19,410
[water gushing]
496
00:34:19,512 --> 00:34:24,749
[soft music playing]
497
00:34:32,826 --> 00:34:36,494
[phil] I couldn't be convinced
that marineland would be
without consequence.
498
00:34:36,963 --> 00:34:40,465
[crickets chirping]
499
00:34:46,973 --> 00:34:48,973
[soft music playing]
500
00:34:54,614 --> 00:34:59,450
[tranquil music playing]
501
00:35:07,527 --> 00:35:11,295
It's funny because marineland
alleges that I
plotted to steal a walrus
502
00:35:11,397 --> 00:35:13,164
Which cannot be further
from the truth, of course,
503
00:35:13,266 --> 00:35:19,203
But we did steal this cat, mama,
from marineland because she...
504
00:35:19,305 --> 00:35:21,772
Because she was really,
really, really old.
505
00:35:21,875 --> 00:35:27,678
Lived exclusively outdoors and
we just knew that she would not
live another winter out there.
506
00:35:28,548 --> 00:35:32,817
I guess you call it stealing,
but I would prefer to say
we rescued her.
507
00:35:32,919 --> 00:35:36,187
But now she's a loving kitty
who loves the snugglies.
508
00:35:36,923 --> 00:35:41,826
And she... I mean it sounds
nuts, but she sort of filled
this void that I have now
509
00:35:41,928 --> 00:35:44,495
In being separated from smooshi.
510
00:35:44,931 --> 00:35:49,500
It's okay, mama.
There you go, my mama, okay.
511
00:35:57,210 --> 00:35:59,477
[scraping]
512
00:36:01,214 --> 00:36:05,016
The niagara region is a really
economically depressed place.
513
00:36:05,118 --> 00:36:07,885
I mean, aside from tourism, um,
you know,
514
00:36:07,987 --> 00:36:10,388
It's still trying to figure out
its place in the world.
515
00:36:10,924 --> 00:36:13,024
[tapping]
516
00:36:16,429 --> 00:36:19,931
Since leaving marineland,
it's been bounce job to job,
do whatever you got to do
517
00:36:20,033 --> 00:36:22,533
Just to make sure that you don't
go bankrupt because really,
518
00:36:22,635 --> 00:36:25,436
Bankruptcy to me doesn't
just mean like financial ruin,
519
00:36:25,538 --> 00:36:28,139
It... It means taking away
my voice.
520
00:36:28,241 --> 00:36:31,042
[whirring]
521
00:36:33,313 --> 00:36:35,713
[powers down]
522
00:36:36,249 --> 00:36:39,784
I hate to admit that in a lot
of ways but I do like to fight.
523
00:36:39,886 --> 00:36:43,154
I don't go looking for fights
but fights have always
found a way to find me.
524
00:36:43,656 --> 00:36:47,024
Even as a child, especially,
being a very small child.
525
00:36:47,126 --> 00:36:49,860
Forget the fact that I was
always bullied
or constantly bullied,
526
00:36:49,963 --> 00:36:53,464
But I was also the idiot
that would stick up to bullies
for others
527
00:36:53,566 --> 00:36:55,333
And I lost teeth because of it.
528
00:37:01,140 --> 00:37:07,245
Part of what I do now is I share
videos that people send to me
that they take inside the park.
529
00:37:07,981 --> 00:37:10,114
[woman 4] jesus christ!
530
00:37:10,216 --> 00:37:13,184
[phil] in the case of zeus,
pictures and videos,
531
00:37:13,286 --> 00:37:17,622
On occasion they go viral
and we bring a lot of attention
to, uh, the animals.
532
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:24,829
He's very skinny.
He's... He's obviously
lethargic.
533
00:37:24,931 --> 00:37:29,400
You see his air sac
is protruding from his chest
and he's got these wrinkles,
534
00:37:29,502 --> 00:37:32,236
You could see his ribs
and behind his shoulder blades.
535
00:37:34,374 --> 00:37:37,808
And, you know, we've been
crying foul since 2012
about zeus. This is not new.
536
00:37:39,812 --> 00:37:42,647
This animal needs rescuing
or it's going to die.
537
00:37:47,620 --> 00:37:52,223
[soft music playing]
538
00:38:04,270 --> 00:38:09,373
Bibeau, I've known since
probably four years old,
like maybe four.
539
00:38:09,475 --> 00:38:11,142
-I guess.
-Did you go to--
540
00:38:11,244 --> 00:38:13,377
[foreign language]
541
00:38:13,479 --> 00:38:15,946
When you guys came to my school,
I was already at vanier
and then you guys came.
542
00:38:16,049 --> 00:38:17,615
-Transferred over.
-Yeah, I was...
I was at vanier, too.
543
00:38:17,717 --> 00:38:20,284
-Yeah. That's right.
-I was with you the whole time.
544
00:38:20,386 --> 00:38:24,088
I worked at marineland for one
summer as a surveyor and I did
that for about three months.
545
00:38:24,190 --> 00:38:28,225
I don't know it was very
depressing seeing the... The
whales in the tanks and stuff.
546
00:38:28,328 --> 00:38:30,428
That's why I quit.
547
00:38:30,530 --> 00:38:32,930
[phil] shit the fuck out of
here. Get this guy out of here,
right now.
548
00:38:33,032 --> 00:38:35,199
[laughing]
549
00:38:37,603 --> 00:38:39,003
[grill sizzling]
550
00:38:49,148 --> 00:38:50,514
Three more minutos.
551
00:38:51,951 --> 00:38:54,051
[foreign language]
552
00:38:56,889 --> 00:39:00,558
On account of the fact that I am
a voice for animals,
553
00:39:00,660 --> 00:39:05,429
I get, uh, grief on account that
I don't... That I'm not a vegan
554
00:39:05,531 --> 00:39:08,866
And that I don't live
the vegan lifestyle.
555
00:39:11,637 --> 00:39:13,904
And I hate it. It's the topic
that I hate the most
556
00:39:14,006 --> 00:39:18,909
Because, uh, I am guilty of
eating and enjoying meat.
557
00:39:21,347 --> 00:39:25,683
Would you become a vegan
for like 10,000 more followers
or something?
558
00:39:26,786 --> 00:39:31,756
You know, I... I'm the...
I'll be the first guy in line
to try the synthetic steak
559
00:39:31,858 --> 00:39:34,158
And if it hits the nail...
560
00:39:34,260 --> 00:39:36,527
There's something about
eating steak
561
00:39:36,629 --> 00:39:39,163
That makes me feel
really, really good.
562
00:39:39,265 --> 00:39:41,332
[man 11] and they say you're a
hypocrite, I guess?
563
00:39:41,434 --> 00:39:43,033
[phil] yes. And I am.
564
00:39:43,136 --> 00:39:45,536
There's hypocrisy in it.
I'm comfortable in that.
565
00:39:49,108 --> 00:39:51,275
[man 11] see, the truth will
set you free.
566
00:39:52,311 --> 00:39:54,044
[men laughing]
567
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:06,457
[traffic noises]
568
00:40:15,001 --> 00:40:18,102
[woman 5]
leaning against that with signs,
obviously, they've taped it off.
569
00:40:18,204 --> 00:40:20,204
Yeah, we had it taped
last year as well.
570
00:40:20,306 --> 00:40:22,573
-It was a little closer
to the fence last year but--
-[woman 6] okay.
571
00:40:22,675 --> 00:40:24,775
[woman 5]
it was too close, people were
still touching the fence.
572
00:40:30,016 --> 00:40:32,316
Now this is my natural habitat.
[laughs]
573
00:40:32,418 --> 00:40:35,786
[woman 7] hey, marineland,
what do you say?
574
00:40:35,855 --> 00:40:39,223
How many animals die today?
575
00:40:39,325 --> 00:40:42,693
Walrus, supporting a good cause.
576
00:40:44,263 --> 00:40:46,063
[car horn honks]
577
00:40:46,165 --> 00:40:48,499
[women screaming]
578
00:40:48,601 --> 00:40:51,535
[woman 8] so we're like fourth
generations at this protest,
which is very sad.
579
00:40:52,171 --> 00:40:55,439
Um, our grandmother used to
do it, then my mom,
now myself and my son.
580
00:40:55,541 --> 00:40:57,408
[car horn honking]
581
00:40:57,510 --> 00:40:59,443
-That's so cute. He just went
and kissed the whale.
-Yeah.
582
00:40:59,545 --> 00:41:01,479
[man 12] they're gonna laugh.
I'm telling you.
583
00:41:07,253 --> 00:41:12,490
Initially, when he first came on
the scene we were all excited
about it, but then I went vegan.
584
00:41:13,726 --> 00:41:15,826
Phil still consumes animals.
585
00:41:15,928 --> 00:41:17,628
-Where am I looking?
-[woman 9] over there.
586
00:41:17,730 --> 00:41:20,130
And I would really like to
see him evolve beyond that.
587
00:41:20,233 --> 00:41:22,166
-Oh, beautiful.
-Awesome. Thank you.
588
00:41:22,268 --> 00:41:24,435
-Thank you, my pleasure, guys.
-[woman 10] do you want one
with them in the back?
589
00:41:24,537 --> 00:41:27,238
[all] there's no excuse
for animal abuse!
590
00:41:27,340 --> 00:41:29,807
[girl] animals die here.
591
00:41:33,212 --> 00:41:36,514
You see the old man here?
He's around.
592
00:41:38,618 --> 00:41:40,184
Good to see you, man.
593
00:41:40,286 --> 00:41:41,852
Thank you for everything.
594
00:41:41,954 --> 00:41:43,954
-Thanks for exposing everything.
-Thanks for coming.
595
00:41:44,056 --> 00:41:44,622
-It's so important.
It's amazing.
-Thanks so much for being here.
596
00:41:45,258 --> 00:41:46,624
[woman 11]
free the [inaudible]!
597
00:41:46,759 --> 00:41:48,359
[woman 12]
free! Free the whales!
598
00:41:48,461 --> 00:41:50,794
-[woman 13] [inaudible].
-Hey!
599
00:41:50,897 --> 00:41:56,166
[carolynn] I think the
relationship between phil demers
and john holer is beyond toxic.
600
00:41:57,303 --> 00:42:00,971
It must be hard to have your
whole life in one business
601
00:42:01,073 --> 00:42:04,642
To see people shift their
attitude on something they loved
602
00:42:04,744 --> 00:42:07,845
To something now that makes them
so angry they protest.
603
00:42:08,548 --> 00:42:11,482
[car horn honking]
604
00:42:13,119 --> 00:42:15,352
[soft music playing]
605
00:42:15,955 --> 00:42:19,223
[naomi] any public display
facility like marineland,
606
00:42:19,325 --> 00:42:21,692
They didn't try to adapt
to the new reality.
607
00:42:21,794 --> 00:42:23,961
They didn't even know
there was a new reality.
608
00:42:24,063 --> 00:42:26,864
They lost control
of the narrative.
609
00:42:26,966 --> 00:42:28,866
[all]
your ticket, you're a cause!
610
00:42:28,968 --> 00:42:31,468
Your money, you're a cause!
611
00:42:31,571 --> 00:42:33,837
Your ticket, you're a cause!
612
00:42:33,940 --> 00:42:37,174
[tranquil music playing]
613
00:42:44,917 --> 00:42:46,617
[wilfred moore] we have to move
with the times.
614
00:42:47,219 --> 00:42:50,888
Public opinion has shifted
and with this bill,
615
00:42:50,990 --> 00:42:54,191
We have the opportunity
to get on the right side
of the issue
616
00:42:54,293 --> 00:42:56,293
At the earliest stage.
617
00:42:56,395 --> 00:43:00,064
It is not a local issue,
honorable senators,
it is a moral issue.
618
00:43:00,900 --> 00:43:05,970
In canada, two facilities
keep whales and dolphins
in captivity,
619
00:43:06,072 --> 00:43:09,440
Marineland, an amusement park
in niagara falls, ontario,
620
00:43:09,542 --> 00:43:11,609
And the vancouver aquarium.
621
00:43:12,044 --> 00:43:16,947
[holly lake] bill s-203 aims to
ban the captivity of whales and
dolphins and porpoises in canada
622
00:43:17,049 --> 00:43:21,018
And also to ban the import
and export and breeding.
623
00:43:21,454 --> 00:43:24,355
[man 13] we have with us this
evening here at the table
mr. Andrew burns,
624
00:43:24,457 --> 00:43:26,156
Legal counsel to marineland.
625
00:43:26,258 --> 00:43:29,259
[andrew burns] there is no
apparent need for this bill.
626
00:43:29,362 --> 00:43:33,063
This bill is about
advancing an agenda.
627
00:43:33,165 --> 00:43:37,968
In the early years
of this debate, the arguments
were largely ethical,
628
00:43:38,070 --> 00:43:40,871
But now we know so much more
about them
629
00:43:40,973 --> 00:43:44,041
That we can formulate
science-based arguments.
630
00:43:44,143 --> 00:43:47,211
The science is not unanimous.
There are differing opinions.
631
00:43:47,780 --> 00:43:50,714
[naomi] they have certain
biological and ecological
characteristics
632
00:43:50,816 --> 00:43:55,519
That make it very difficult
for them to thrive in captivity.
633
00:43:56,288 --> 00:44:00,691
[john nightingale] laws like
this one can impact our ability
to engage the public
634
00:44:00,793 --> 00:44:03,894
To learn through science
and to help nature.
635
00:44:03,996 --> 00:44:09,433
There is no compelling evidence
to support the educational value
636
00:44:09,535 --> 00:44:14,271
Of marine mammal displays
claimed by aquariums
and marine parks.
637
00:44:14,373 --> 00:44:19,843
These are extremely acoustic
animals. That is how they sense
their world and communicate.
638
00:44:19,945 --> 00:44:23,614
Concrete tanks are debilitating
echo chambers.
639
00:44:23,716 --> 00:44:28,919
Here in canada I've observed
cetaceans with self-mutilation
behavior, wounds, scars
640
00:44:29,021 --> 00:44:30,287
And damage to their teeth.
641
00:44:31,290 --> 00:44:35,759
Kiska has birthed five calves
at marineland
and all five are now dead.
642
00:44:35,861 --> 00:44:37,961
It's perceived harm.
643
00:44:38,064 --> 00:44:41,265
There is no inherent harm
to this animal,
no matter what you've heard,
644
00:44:41,367 --> 00:44:45,302
An animal is not suffering
and I can tell you
our animals are happy.
645
00:44:47,573 --> 00:44:53,844
Uh, mr. Burns, marineland has
been the subject of a
toronto star exposé
646
00:44:53,946 --> 00:44:56,346
And multiple investigations.
647
00:44:56,449 --> 00:45:00,350
Can you tell us what happened
and what the outcome were
of those investigations?
648
00:45:00,453 --> 00:45:05,989
When those allegations were
made, uh, marineland was
subject immediately
649
00:45:06,092 --> 00:45:10,027
To a thorough investigation
that no agency
650
00:45:10,129 --> 00:45:13,764
Under the criminal code
or the ospca act
651
00:45:13,866 --> 00:45:19,870
Believed it had reasonable
or probable grounds that a
marine mammal at marineland
652
00:45:19,972 --> 00:45:22,773
Was or is being abused.
653
00:45:23,342 --> 00:45:26,577
-Mr. Demers.
-[phil] [foreign language]
654
00:45:27,012 --> 00:45:29,046
Since speaking of my experiences
at marineland,
655
00:45:29,148 --> 00:45:32,116
I myself have become the target
of relentless attacks.
656
00:45:32,218 --> 00:45:36,954
In an effort to stifle public
debate, marineland launched
nearly a dozen slapp lawsuits
657
00:45:37,056 --> 00:45:39,757
Of which I am the recipient
of a most peculiar one,
658
00:45:39,859 --> 00:45:43,193
As they allege I plotted to
steal smooshi the walrus.
659
00:45:43,662 --> 00:45:46,830
This guy was doing it
day to day.
660
00:45:46,932 --> 00:45:52,402
He lived it, so he was like
our leading main witness
661
00:45:52,505 --> 00:45:58,976
In terms of having been there
and validated
what we were putting into words
662
00:45:59,078 --> 00:46:01,245
In terms of legislation
and the need for it.
663
00:46:01,347 --> 00:46:08,118
You, sir, admitted under oath,
to personally consuming
controlled drugs
664
00:46:08,220 --> 00:46:10,854
Meant for marine mammals
at marineland.
665
00:46:11,323 --> 00:46:18,428
You, sir, wished marineland well
when you, uh, in your letter
of resignation,
666
00:46:18,531 --> 00:46:24,835
After pitching to them
the walrus...
Walrus whisperer reality show
667
00:46:24,937 --> 00:46:27,437
That they didn't want to be
part of.
668
00:46:27,540 --> 00:46:31,975
Uh, senator plett, again...
Once again you're great at...
At... At... Uh, at quoting
669
00:46:32,077 --> 00:46:34,478
Marineland's baseless
lawsuits verbatim.
670
00:46:34,580 --> 00:46:36,513
-Uh, again--
-[donald] answer the questions
please, sir.
671
00:46:36,615 --> 00:46:38,115
-This is not about--
-oh, I'd like to.
You gave me a comment...
672
00:46:38,217 --> 00:46:40,284
You're the one that's
muddying the waters--
673
00:46:40,386 --> 00:46:42,586
[fabian manning] answer.
If the questions are opposed,
674
00:46:42,688 --> 00:46:44,555
We'll just ask and answer them
and send--
675
00:46:44,657 --> 00:46:46,356
Well, you made a comment...
You made comment to me,
676
00:46:46,458 --> 00:46:49,159
So the idea that marineland is,
uh, is and... And, again,
677
00:46:49,261 --> 00:46:52,563
They're utilizing you to
attack me personally,
as a means to muddy the water
678
00:46:52,665 --> 00:46:54,698
-Just as their playbook
with the illegal lawsuits.
-[man 14] chair... Order please.
679
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:57,734
Nobody is utilizing me.
Nobody is utilizing me.
680
00:46:57,837 --> 00:47:00,704
We are independent. Senator,
we are independent senators.
681
00:47:00,806 --> 00:47:02,439
He's saying... He's saying
somebody is utilizing me.
682
00:47:02,541 --> 00:47:04,141
[fabian manning]
order! Okay. Order, order!
683
00:47:04,243 --> 00:47:06,310
I understand this is an
emotional issue on our sides,
684
00:47:06,412 --> 00:47:09,680
Uh, but we need to get
to the point.
685
00:47:09,782 --> 00:47:12,216
Uh, my name is john holer.
686
00:47:12,751 --> 00:47:18,555
I've been starting my business
way back in 1961
687
00:47:19,058 --> 00:47:26,163
With 2,000 dollars in my pocket
with the big idea
688
00:47:26,632 --> 00:47:32,236
And I am hoping that I would be
able to
689
00:47:32,338 --> 00:47:34,504
Complete the part
690
00:47:34,607 --> 00:47:39,877
And that was going to make it,
uh, a definitely an
outstanding...
691
00:47:39,979 --> 00:47:44,081
Outstanding facility
in anywhere in the world.
692
00:47:44,550 --> 00:47:47,217
[donald] mr. Holer,
uh, pleasure to see you again,
693
00:47:47,286 --> 00:47:50,087
You're looking well and the last
time we talked,
694
00:47:50,189 --> 00:47:53,357
You said you wanted to be
in this business
till you were 90 years old,
695
00:47:53,459 --> 00:47:59,329
And, uh, so, certainly looking
forward to visiting you on your
90th birthday at marineland.
696
00:47:59,431 --> 00:48:02,065
I mean, for me one of the really
big issues here
697
00:48:02,167 --> 00:48:06,703
Is how did marineland get the
conservative senators
in captivity?
698
00:48:06,805 --> 00:48:09,172
[woman 14] senator don plett,
to name one,
699
00:48:09,275 --> 00:48:12,910
Who has been consistently, in
his twitter and facebook feeds,
700
00:48:13,012 --> 00:48:16,947
Talking about how great
marineland is and how much
he loves marineland.
701
00:48:17,049 --> 00:48:19,983
Uh, I also filed a complaint
with the lobbying commissioner,
702
00:48:20,085 --> 00:48:24,588
Because it's pretty clear that
marineland that hasn't
registered itself as a lobbyist
703
00:48:24,690 --> 00:48:27,424
Has been lobbying
pretty effectively.
704
00:48:29,962 --> 00:48:32,663
[tranquil music playing]
705
00:48:39,371 --> 00:48:40,938
[man 15] here comes john holer.
706
00:48:46,812 --> 00:48:51,248
[phil] I mean, he even sought to
intimidate us by driving by
our house and stalking us on.
707
00:48:56,989 --> 00:49:01,959
John holer's most effective at
silencing those without a voice.
708
00:49:10,803 --> 00:49:15,505
Let's see. Oh, there's a siren
on here, too.
709
00:49:15,607 --> 00:49:16,840
[phil] don't push it.
710
00:49:21,213 --> 00:49:23,580
[man 16] did you find out you
got sued in the newspapers
711
00:49:23,682 --> 00:49:25,449
Or did you actually physically
get served?
712
00:49:25,584 --> 00:49:27,684
[phil] oh, no. We found out
in the newspapers
713
00:49:27,786 --> 00:49:29,686
-Because I had to call you
and tell you--
-you told me... At work...
714
00:49:29,755 --> 00:49:31,955
-I was at work.
-[phil] yeah, so the intention
of marineland
715
00:49:32,057 --> 00:49:36,126
In... In suing all of us,
really, was to try to
hijack the headlines.
716
00:49:36,762 --> 00:49:40,364
Ultimately, christine's lawsuit
had to be settled.
717
00:49:42,201 --> 00:49:43,834
She had to be silenced.
718
00:49:55,814 --> 00:49:59,483
Oh, they've just, uh...
They just...
Marineland just issued a blog.
719
00:49:59,585 --> 00:50:02,052
"what's really happening
at marineland?" it's entitled.
720
00:50:02,154 --> 00:50:03,887
They just released it.
721
00:50:03,989 --> 00:50:07,090
"radical animal rights activists
have relentlessly and viciously
722
00:50:07,192 --> 00:50:11,128
Attacked marineland on social
media year after year,
bullying and lying about us,
723
00:50:11,230 --> 00:50:14,097
Falsely accusing us of abusing
our marine and land animals,
724
00:50:14,199 --> 00:50:18,301
While pocketing donations
for their own personal use."
really?
725
00:50:18,771 --> 00:50:22,172
"a self-proclaimed activist who
relentlessly trolls marineland
on the internet
726
00:50:22,274 --> 00:50:25,509
With false allegations of abuse
says he will stop...
727
00:50:25,611 --> 00:50:28,011
Says he will stop and go away
if he is paid.
728
00:50:28,113 --> 00:50:30,814
We think the public should know
what is happening. This is what
phil demers has to say."
729
00:50:30,916 --> 00:50:33,116
"I should mention,
I do have a price.
Marineland should know this.
730
00:50:33,218 --> 00:50:35,519
If they'd like, I'm all ears.
Maybe something can be done."
731
00:50:36,255 --> 00:50:38,889
Do they want to know
what I mean by that?
I don't want money.
732
00:50:38,991 --> 00:50:40,791
I want the fucking walrus.
733
00:50:44,696 --> 00:50:47,931
"a former animal care worker
made false allegations of animal
abuse related to kiska,
734
00:50:48,033 --> 00:50:50,500
The killer whale,
in the toronto star.
This is what she admits now.
735
00:50:50,602 --> 00:50:52,836
I'm not a veterinarian
and, therefore,
736
00:50:52,938 --> 00:50:55,505
I do not have any personal
or expert knowledge of the
conditions at marineland
737
00:50:55,607 --> 00:50:57,174
Or in relation to any animals.
738
00:50:57,276 --> 00:50:59,576
-Yours truly, christine santos."
-oh, they said my name.
739
00:51:00,179 --> 00:51:02,879
This is the type of thing that
really aggravates,
gets my blood boiling
740
00:51:02,981 --> 00:51:07,350
Is that they... That they're
continuously using an abusive
system to further abuse people.
741
00:51:07,453 --> 00:51:10,987
Christine's silence because she
couldn't afford to...
To continue
742
00:51:11,090 --> 00:51:13,690
To be in this litigation,
not because
she retracts anything.
743
00:51:13,792 --> 00:51:15,025
She was forced to retract.
744
00:51:20,966 --> 00:51:23,633
I sound like an asshole.
I look like an asshole.
745
00:51:23,735 --> 00:51:25,735
I know the vein in my forehead
is bulging.
746
00:51:29,174 --> 00:51:31,174
There are people
on the right side of history.
747
00:51:31,276 --> 00:51:33,176
There are people
in marineland's parking lot.
It's as simple as that.
748
00:51:33,278 --> 00:51:35,812
These people have names.
I've got a pen.
749
00:51:39,551 --> 00:51:44,554
Marineland's veterinarians,
former employees, uh,
marineland's owner,
750
00:51:44,656 --> 00:51:46,723
Albeit, this is not a personal
vendetta,
751
00:51:46,825 --> 00:51:50,694
I'm not going after him in any
capacity that is illegal,
752
00:51:50,796 --> 00:51:54,397
I'm just merely reminding him
that he gets away with nothing,
nobody does.
753
00:51:55,267 --> 00:51:59,402
You don't endure what I've done
for as long as I've done for as
many years as I have
754
00:51:59,505 --> 00:52:03,106
With people hiding behind money
to try to crush me.
755
00:52:04,076 --> 00:52:09,479
Why is it that only john holer
has the opportunity to impose
hardships on people?
756
00:52:09,882 --> 00:52:11,014
I'm free to do that as well.
757
00:52:13,485 --> 00:52:17,087
And if definition of imposing
hardships on others means
defending the vulnerable,
758
00:52:17,189 --> 00:52:18,455
I'll never stop.
759
00:52:19,691 --> 00:52:22,659
Remember I was thinking of
putting a picture
of the bullhorn?
760
00:52:27,833 --> 00:52:29,833
That's gonna piss them off.
761
00:52:35,007 --> 00:52:41,912
[ren] one of the first things
that people will compromise in
some lawsuits is, uh, you know,
762
00:52:42,014 --> 00:52:46,049
Their ability to speak freely
and it's sort of, you know,
763
00:52:46,151 --> 00:52:48,118
Easy to imagine why
because it's cheap.
764
00:52:48,720 --> 00:52:52,155
It doesn't cost you anything to,
essentially, to agree
to a gag order
765
00:52:52,257 --> 00:52:56,860
But that's something not
as attractive to phil.
766
00:53:00,666 --> 00:53:05,502
[phil] I know that marineland's
lawyer made promises
to insulate john holer.
767
00:53:06,738 --> 00:53:11,708
He wants to launch lawsuits.
He wants to impose his will
on people.
768
00:53:11,810 --> 00:53:16,846
We've been in litigation now
for years and we haven't even
gotten to discoveries yet.
769
00:53:19,618 --> 00:53:24,120
I'm countersuing them for
defamation and abusive process.
770
00:53:29,962 --> 00:53:34,197
[dramatic music playing]
771
00:53:40,105 --> 00:53:42,639
You... You get a sense of
feeling powerless in it really.
772
00:53:42,741 --> 00:53:47,477
From the... The... The piece of
this that I'm involved in which
is the legal piece,
773
00:53:47,579 --> 00:53:50,914
Like I say, we've got a path
forward and I think that
the important thing is
774
00:53:51,016 --> 00:53:56,152
To not get distracted by too
much of the other elements
of the history.
775
00:53:56,255 --> 00:54:00,857
And I know it's hard to do that
because it's what you've lived
over the last, uh, six years.
776
00:54:00,959 --> 00:54:06,296
We sort of war game out how
we think things are going to go
and we do a lot of reading,
777
00:54:06,398 --> 00:54:09,766
We do a lot of writing,
things we forget about is that
the practical difficulty
778
00:54:09,868 --> 00:54:11,868
Of getting through
15 volumes of material.
779
00:54:11,970 --> 00:54:16,006
That's just substantial
and so... But it's exciting.
780
00:54:19,044 --> 00:54:24,080
The reality in our system
is that 97% of cases settle
781
00:54:24,182 --> 00:54:27,784
Before you ever get to an
adjudication of the merits
782
00:54:27,886 --> 00:54:34,557
And, usually, parties can come
to some sort of resolution
783
00:54:34,660 --> 00:54:36,826
That may not make
everybody happy,
784
00:54:36,928 --> 00:54:40,163
In fact, it probably shouldn't
if it's going to be
a fair resolution,
785
00:54:40,265 --> 00:54:45,935
But somebody has to give, uh,
a little bit in order to have
the thing, uh, go away.
786
00:54:46,471 --> 00:54:49,239
My lawyer, in fact, and this is
where it gets kind of weird
because,
787
00:54:49,341 --> 00:54:52,309
Listen, I don't understand.
He's supposed to be
representing me.
788
00:54:52,411 --> 00:54:55,545
The answer is no to everything.
Fight, fight, fight.
I want a trial.
789
00:54:55,647 --> 00:54:58,782
He instead is coming with,
"listen, this is not how
litigation ends, phil.
790
00:54:58,884 --> 00:55:01,184
Like you don't seem to
understand how this ends.
791
00:55:01,286 --> 00:55:03,653
You don't have a grip
of how litigation works."
792
00:55:03,755 --> 00:55:05,889
And I'm just, like, I'm glad
that I don't because my guess is
793
00:55:05,991 --> 00:55:08,458
I'm representative of about
90% of the population
that don't know.
794
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:10,994
And it's important
that we find out.
795
00:55:11,096 --> 00:55:13,129
I was promised a trial because
they said I was this,
this, this, this, this, this.
796
00:55:13,231 --> 00:55:15,598
Well, let's get to that
fucking trial.
This is what I've been doing.
797
00:55:15,701 --> 00:55:18,168
This doesn't end
with negotiations.
I want the trial.
798
00:55:18,270 --> 00:55:20,637
-[man 17] yeah.
-I don't understand. Like,
what... Why would you sue me
799
00:55:20,739 --> 00:55:22,038
Unless you want the trial?
800
00:55:22,140 --> 00:55:23,907
Oh, because it's a
bullshit lawsuit.
801
00:55:24,009 --> 00:55:25,608
Well, then I want the trial
because I need to show that.
802
00:55:25,711 --> 00:55:28,578
It's a dirty secret about the
legal business, right?
803
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:30,347
-[phil] that's a--
-that this is a loophole,
804
00:55:30,449 --> 00:55:32,449
This is something people can do
to people to silence them
805
00:55:32,551 --> 00:55:35,151
Just to drag them through hell
for six years.
806
00:55:38,256 --> 00:55:42,492
[tranquil music playing]
807
00:55:55,941 --> 00:55:57,173
[phone dings]
808
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:19,529
[tranquil music playing]
809
00:56:24,403 --> 00:56:27,103
[phil] smooshi.
810
00:56:27,205 --> 00:56:29,672
Smooshi.
811
00:56:30,809 --> 00:56:32,075
Smooshi.
812
00:56:32,778 --> 00:56:36,546
I'm in here, my moosh.
Good girl, moosh. Right here.
813
00:56:36,648 --> 00:56:37,881
What do you want?
814
00:56:41,620 --> 00:56:44,187
[soft music playing]
815
00:56:45,490 --> 00:56:47,891
I would love to get her.
It would be insane.
816
00:56:47,959 --> 00:56:51,861
Not get her. I mean, you know,
and I'm not going to strap her
to my back
817
00:56:51,963 --> 00:56:54,697
And, you know, go over the falls
and... And... And, you know,
818
00:56:54,800 --> 00:57:00,403
Hope to land in some arctic,
uh, estuary somewhere
or whatever.
819
00:57:05,076 --> 00:57:08,278
Okay, mama, here's your shower.
820
00:57:08,413 --> 00:57:12,549
Oh, my goodness! Look at this.
821
00:57:15,954 --> 00:57:22,459
Oh, raindrops,
raindrops for mama.
Oh, that's a happy mama.
822
00:57:23,795 --> 00:57:26,963
[soft music playing]
823
00:57:32,237 --> 00:57:35,572
-[woman 15] didn't one
or two walruses pass?
-[phil] sonja passed away.
824
00:57:35,674 --> 00:57:38,975
[woman 16] yeah. Was there
a buttercup ever?
825
00:57:39,077 --> 00:57:41,544
-[phil] buttercup's dead?
-[woman 16]
there's no buttercup.
826
00:57:42,581 --> 00:57:44,781
-[phil] serious?
-[woman 16] yeah,
was buttercup a walrus?
827
00:57:44,883 --> 00:57:46,449
-[phil] yes.
-[woman 16] no, she's not there.
828
00:57:46,551 --> 00:57:47,650
-[phil] she's dead?
-[woman 16] yeah, there's three.
829
00:57:47,752 --> 00:57:49,486
There's smooshi,
apollo and zeus.
830
00:57:49,588 --> 00:57:51,120
-Oh, my god!
-[woman 16] that's it.
831
00:57:51,223 --> 00:57:54,123
There's five sea lions,
five dolphins, the two belugas.
832
00:57:54,226 --> 00:57:55,625
[phil]
that was smooshi's best friend.
833
00:57:57,529 --> 00:57:59,796
[phil] fuck them!
834
00:57:59,898 --> 00:58:03,399
[woman 16] yeah, she's...
Yeah, just the three.
Apollo, smooshi, and zeus.
835
00:58:07,639 --> 00:58:14,077
[phil] every single time
I leave my home,
I have one of two choices...
836
00:58:15,213 --> 00:58:17,680
To pass by marineland or not.
837
00:58:17,782 --> 00:58:19,949
That's how close
I live to marineland.
838
00:58:22,954 --> 00:58:25,622
I guess, if I'm going back
in time
or back to where I grew up,
839
00:58:25,724 --> 00:58:30,193
It's this way or any other way
I have to physically
face marineland.
840
00:58:33,265 --> 00:58:36,966
It's hardest when I drive by
the facility and I can point to
exactly where she is staying,
841
00:58:37,068 --> 00:58:39,869
You know, she's 30 meters
inside that wall.
842
00:58:40,672 --> 00:58:43,006
[soft music playing]
843
00:58:44,910 --> 00:58:46,409
It's a very small town.
844
00:58:48,580 --> 00:58:53,016
On occasion, I will drive by
john holer's home to see,
845
00:58:53,118 --> 00:58:56,419
You know, whether or not
he's, uh, out and about.
846
00:58:59,291 --> 00:59:02,425
Someone had to keep him
accountable.
847
00:59:03,929 --> 00:59:06,195
You know, he was...
He was avoiding my lawsuit.
848
00:59:06,965 --> 00:59:12,435
There's a reason he hid,
so I would go look for him.
849
00:59:28,019 --> 00:59:31,754
I don't believe it and I'm stil
waiting to find out
that it's not true.
850
00:59:31,823 --> 00:59:36,292
And if it is true,
not processing.
851
00:59:42,834 --> 00:59:49,038
The light is on but I've been
in that bedroom, top right of
the house, that's his bedroom.
852
00:59:49,140 --> 00:59:53,676
He's in there. He's dead.
He's in a bed dead right now.
853
00:59:55,213 --> 00:59:58,915
[tranquil music playing]
854
01:00:12,731 --> 01:00:16,132
Like I saw his park today,
he won't... I saw...
855
01:00:24,542 --> 01:00:26,576
Like the flags are at
half-mast.
856
01:00:29,514 --> 01:00:33,916
Like, I saw it, but he won't.
It's strange.
857
01:00:39,290 --> 01:00:40,957
[sniffles] that's fucked up.
858
01:00:43,028 --> 01:00:48,297
I don't know a lot of people
that mourn their abuser,
but I do feel loss.
859
01:00:54,673 --> 01:00:59,142
Like I pursued a...
Like I pursued a dying man.
860
01:01:05,150 --> 01:01:10,086
Okay, I'm imagining his par...
Uh, his family. [sniffles]
861
01:01:12,724 --> 01:01:14,724
I don't think anyone believed
he could die.
862
01:01:21,266 --> 01:01:22,365
[sniffles]
863
01:01:27,205 --> 01:01:29,972
[soft music playing]
864
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:39,382
[church bells ringing]
865
01:01:41,619 --> 01:01:43,686
I don't remember myself
without him.
866
01:01:47,125 --> 01:01:52,328
His stubbornness is only matched
by the stubbornness
of one individual, me.
867
01:01:52,430 --> 01:01:53,529
[chuckles]
868
01:01:57,869 --> 01:02:03,072
Neither my or john being the two
assholes in the story,
869
01:02:03,775 --> 01:02:06,275
I guess neither one of us
will get...
870
01:02:08,613 --> 01:02:12,615
Will get our just, uh...
Our just due.
871
01:02:12,917 --> 01:02:16,552
[woman 17] john holer founded
marineland in 1961.
872
01:02:16,654 --> 01:02:20,389
Then called marine wonderland,
it was an amusement park and zo
873
01:02:20,492 --> 01:02:22,625
Featuring both land
and marine animals.
874
01:02:22,727 --> 01:02:24,327
It's a hobby.
875
01:02:24,429 --> 01:02:26,863
[laughs]
876
01:02:26,965 --> 01:02:28,865
I enjoy it.
877
01:02:28,967 --> 01:02:31,434
[phil]
the last time I saw him was
at the... Was at the demo.
878
01:02:31,536 --> 01:02:34,570
He was, uh, driving by
licking ice cream or something.
879
01:02:35,406 --> 01:02:42,011
He leaves behind his wife, um,
his adopted son,
880
01:02:42,113 --> 01:02:44,280
Uh, two grandkids,
881
01:02:44,783 --> 01:02:49,619
And as well
a... Already, uh, deceased son.
882
01:02:53,525 --> 01:03:00,062
I don't doubt for a second that
john blames me for johnny's
death, not for a second.
883
01:03:01,166 --> 01:03:04,267
I guess, if I was challenged
as to whether or not
884
01:03:04,369 --> 01:03:09,705
I would take back that moment
to... To spare johnny's life,
885
01:03:09,808 --> 01:03:12,175
Like, I don't know that
it would have.
886
01:03:12,277 --> 01:03:16,546
I can't say that it would have,
but I can with a surety say
that it saved smooshi's,
887
01:03:19,584 --> 01:03:21,350
So, no, I don't feel no guilt.
888
01:03:32,997 --> 01:03:35,731
When john holer passed,
we all joked about...
889
01:03:35,834 --> 01:03:38,701
John was trying to figure out
how he was going to
take marineland with him.
890
01:03:38,803 --> 01:03:42,471
And uh, of course, his wife now
is left as a survivor
891
01:03:42,574 --> 01:03:45,274
And as the ceo,
she's continuing on the legacy.
892
01:03:46,444 --> 01:03:49,579
[phil] I've known john now
for the better part of 20 years.
893
01:03:49,681 --> 01:03:54,283
For the last six years,
I've been looking
over my shoulder
894
01:03:54,385 --> 01:03:56,519
With a great deal of anxiety
895
01:03:56,621 --> 01:04:02,425
And now I'm finding an entirely
new sort of perspective
to, uh... To absorb.
896
01:04:02,527 --> 01:04:05,428
And, yet, here I am feeling
a strange sense of loss
897
01:04:05,530 --> 01:04:08,531
And really more than anything,
sympathy for the family
898
01:04:08,633 --> 01:04:12,068
Who, uh, obviously, have some
difficult decisions
to make moving forward.
899
01:04:12,704 --> 01:04:16,239
[woman 18] for sure.
Well, thank you, phillip,
for your time. I appreciate it.
900
01:04:16,341 --> 01:04:17,573
Thank you, my pleasure.
901
01:04:18,543 --> 01:04:23,012
[soft music playing]
902
01:04:36,394 --> 01:04:40,329
I wish that marie holer and I
could have a meeting of sorts
903
01:04:40,431 --> 01:04:44,033
Because I think all these
hostilities are unnecessary
904
01:04:44,135 --> 01:04:50,072
And she's getting a
misrepresented version of what
I want and what I've been doing.
905
01:04:51,776 --> 01:04:54,143
[splashing]
906
01:04:56,281 --> 01:04:58,648
[indistinct chatter]
907
01:04:58,750 --> 01:05:02,785
What this bill would do...
If this bill passed what it
would do to marineland--
908
01:05:02,887 --> 01:05:09,759
In our view, it would, uh,
essentially destroy
marineland's future.
909
01:05:17,302 --> 01:05:20,436
[phil] we've been chasing this
bill now for three years.
910
01:05:20,538 --> 01:05:24,907
It's been hurdle after hurdle
after hurdle after hurdle
after hurdle.
911
01:05:27,845 --> 01:05:29,412
This may be the finish line.
912
01:05:29,847 --> 01:05:32,081
[woman 19] other business.
[foreign language].
913
01:05:32,216 --> 01:05:36,752
Senate public bill's
third reading.
[foreign language].
914
01:05:36,854 --> 01:05:38,955
Number one, s-203.
915
01:05:39,057 --> 01:05:40,423
[claps]
916
01:05:40,525 --> 01:05:42,158
[man 18] s-203.
917
01:05:42,260 --> 01:05:44,593
[woman 20] senators,
it is time for a vote
918
01:05:44,696 --> 01:05:47,630
For this bill's many thousands
and thousands of supporters
919
01:05:47,732 --> 01:05:53,569
In canada and around the world
and, most importantly,
for the whales and dolphins.
920
01:05:53,671 --> 01:05:57,773
I now call for a vote on s-203.
Thank you.
921
01:05:57,875 --> 01:06:01,277
[clapping]
922
01:06:02,113 --> 01:06:04,280
[man 18] on debate.
923
01:06:04,382 --> 01:06:06,649
Our senators ready
for the question on debate?
Senator plett.
924
01:06:06,751 --> 01:06:09,352
[senator plett] I met
with people on both sides
of this issue
925
01:06:09,454 --> 01:06:14,957
And it became very clear to me
that this was a battle between
activists and scientists.
926
01:06:15,059 --> 01:06:17,760
Colleagues,
these are radical activists,
927
01:06:17,862 --> 01:06:22,832
An activist who testified
at committee calling himself
the marineland whistleblower
928
01:06:22,934 --> 01:06:27,803
Has admitted in court
to taking drugs
intended for marine mammals
929
01:06:27,905 --> 01:06:30,406
For his own
personal consumption.
930
01:06:30,875 --> 01:06:35,478
The credibility of these
star witnesses certainly needs
to be considered
931
01:06:35,580 --> 01:06:38,114
When we weigh the evidence.
932
01:06:38,216 --> 01:06:41,717
If this flawed legislation is o
move forward, I believe
it would be irresponsible
933
01:06:41,819 --> 01:06:46,088
And simply wrong to proceed
without an exemption
for marineland.
934
01:06:46,190 --> 01:06:49,558
[man 18] senators ready
for the question.
Senator martin.
935
01:06:49,660 --> 01:06:51,494
[woman 21]
chairman to the debate.
936
01:06:51,596 --> 01:06:53,496
[man 18] senator smith that
further debate be adjourned
937
01:06:53,598 --> 01:06:55,364
Till the next sitting of the
senate.
938
01:06:55,466 --> 01:06:58,667
The vote will take place
at 8:25. Call in the senators.
939
01:07:01,005 --> 01:07:02,738
What the fuck just happened?
940
01:07:03,307 --> 01:07:06,242
Is this a process where you
can still amend the bill?
941
01:07:06,310 --> 01:07:08,778
I thought that we went
through this process.
942
01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:12,214
The senate is a bit of...
I kind of call it the wild west
943
01:07:12,316 --> 01:07:16,018
Because you can never really
tell when things are
going to happen,
944
01:07:16,120 --> 01:07:19,722
Um, if they're going to happen,
or how they're going to happen.
945
01:07:19,824 --> 01:07:23,426
Uh, I'm still kind of
getting my head around
how things operate there.
946
01:07:23,528 --> 01:07:25,761
There are rules that have been
put in place in the senate
947
01:07:25,863 --> 01:07:31,634
That allow the combined forces
of members of the opposition
948
01:07:31,736 --> 01:07:37,339
To be able to delay and use
delay tactics to keep a bill
from coming to a vote
949
01:07:37,975 --> 01:07:40,676
And to that I... I say
that makes no sense.
950
01:07:40,778 --> 01:07:42,511
We could debate this endlessly.
951
01:07:42,613 --> 01:07:45,448
And we end up debating until
there's nothing to vote on.
952
01:07:47,752 --> 01:07:49,852
I can't hear shit.
953
01:07:49,954 --> 01:07:51,654
[man 18] all those in favor
of the motion,
will please say, yay.
954
01:07:51,756 --> 01:07:54,323
-[all] yay!
-[man 18] all those oppose, nay.
955
01:07:54,425 --> 01:07:57,059
-[man 19] on division.
-[man 20] on division.
956
01:07:58,496 --> 01:08:00,629
[man 18] accordingly,
the motion is adopted.
957
01:08:00,731 --> 01:08:02,631
The senate now...
Is now adjourned.
958
01:08:02,733 --> 01:08:04,967
Return to the order of the
honorable house.
959
01:08:05,069 --> 01:08:06,602
It's utter chaos.
960
01:08:07,171 --> 01:08:09,505
It's absolutely... It's an
absolute shit show in there.
961
01:08:10,108 --> 01:08:15,344
It's so surreal and so now
just another delay.
962
01:08:17,849 --> 01:08:22,852
They're taking longer to study
the bill and fight the bill, uh,
963
01:08:22,954 --> 01:08:25,955
To... To prohibit
keeping whales in captivity
964
01:08:26,057 --> 01:08:28,757
Than they did to look
at medical assistance in dying.
965
01:08:28,860 --> 01:08:31,160
[birds chirping]
966
01:08:31,262 --> 01:08:35,364
[holly lake] there's been a lot
of moving parts as this bill
has progressed.
967
01:08:35,466 --> 01:08:39,568
The vancouver aquarium has been
involved in its own battles
with the park board.
968
01:08:39,670 --> 01:08:45,875
We have a 50-year history of
rescuing animals and we don't
want it to stop tonight.
969
01:08:46,477 --> 01:08:49,145
[crowd cheering]
970
01:08:49,247 --> 01:08:52,081
[man 21] it's not every day that
people turn out to support
keeping whales in captivity,
971
01:08:52,183 --> 01:08:54,750
But that's exactly what's
happening here.
972
01:08:54,852 --> 01:08:57,386
Science first. Science--
973
01:08:57,488 --> 01:08:59,788
The park board has said, "no,
you're not going to be allowed
to keep cetaceans there."
974
01:08:59,891 --> 01:09:02,691
The vancouver aquarium was
going to challenge that,
975
01:09:02,793 --> 01:09:04,827
But has since,
just a short while ago,
976
01:09:04,929 --> 01:09:08,531
Announced that they're no longer
going to keep cetaceans
in captivity.
977
01:09:08,633 --> 01:09:13,502
So, all of this time and money
has now been spent
dealing with an issue
978
01:09:13,604 --> 01:09:17,439
That pertains to one facility
in canada and that's marineland.
979
01:09:17,542 --> 01:09:21,877
[tranquil music playing]
980
01:09:22,280 --> 01:09:28,350
♪ twelve steps
in to your backyard ♪
981
01:09:31,722 --> 01:09:37,927
♪ through tall green grass
and into the world ♪
982
01:09:40,665 --> 01:09:43,399
♪ ain't it feel right ♪
983
01:09:50,575 --> 01:09:54,343
♪ ain't it feel nice ♪
984
01:10:00,084 --> 01:10:02,618
♪ in your own backyard ♪
985
01:10:39,857 --> 01:10:41,190
[phil] come on, smooshi.
986
01:10:44,729 --> 01:10:46,061
Come on, my moosh.
987
01:10:47,198 --> 01:10:49,064
[wind gusting]
988
01:10:55,306 --> 01:10:57,306
It's too slick. Yeah.
989
01:10:57,408 --> 01:11:01,810
[tranquil music playing]
990
01:11:12,790 --> 01:11:16,258
What are you doing?
What are you doing,
my mooshky?
991
01:11:17,161 --> 01:11:21,130
[tranquil music playing]
992
01:11:34,845 --> 01:11:36,211
[christine]
okay, I'll try that now.
993
01:11:37,214 --> 01:11:38,314
[grunts]
994
01:11:40,151 --> 01:11:41,550
[phil] she wants to pee.
995
01:11:42,186 --> 01:11:43,319
Come on, ma.
996
01:11:44,655 --> 01:11:47,022
-Is she squatting?
-[christine] no, she's--
997
01:11:47,124 --> 01:11:49,124
-[phil] she's complaining.
-[christine] she knows
something's rushed like, uh...
998
01:11:51,495 --> 01:11:52,995
[phil] poor mama.
999
01:11:54,098 --> 01:11:58,767
-You saw blood in mama's pee?
-In the litter box,
1000
01:11:58,869 --> 01:12:01,370
Then I saw it in the litter box
in the urine.
1001
01:12:01,472 --> 01:12:04,473
-Yeah, it was bad.
-So we should bring her--
1002
01:12:04,575 --> 01:12:05,841
[phil] to the vet, yeah.
1003
01:12:07,478 --> 01:12:09,712
I'm waiting for my lawyer
to call this morning.
1004
01:12:12,616 --> 01:12:14,550
-Hello.
-[ren] hello, phil.
1005
01:12:14,652 --> 01:12:16,885
Hey, ren. How you doing?
1006
01:12:16,987 --> 01:12:21,790
It's such an absurd thing that
this corporation was able to
buy their way
1007
01:12:21,892 --> 01:12:25,361
To be able to put me
in this situation. It's insane.
1008
01:12:25,796 --> 01:12:27,696
[ren] all right, look, phil,
it's the legal system.
1009
01:12:29,100 --> 01:12:33,502
So, then our best course of
action would be, I guess,
to continue.
1010
01:12:33,604 --> 01:12:36,138
[ren]
you know that's... That's sort
of door number one
1011
01:12:36,240 --> 01:12:38,674
Because that's sort of what's..
What was the path that we're o.
1012
01:12:38,776 --> 01:12:42,177
-[phil] yeah.
-[ren] door number two
is to continue to
1013
01:12:42,279 --> 01:12:44,813
See if there's anything
reasonable here to say,
1014
01:12:44,915 --> 01:12:48,584
"look, you're not moving out
of this for less than
a hundred thousand dollars."
1015
01:12:48,686 --> 01:12:51,487
And I realize that that's a
premium on the costs.
1016
01:12:51,589 --> 01:12:55,257
[phil] I'm less inclined
to accept, really,
any monetary resolution.
1017
01:12:55,359 --> 01:12:56,959
Sounds crazy, they know
what the fuck I want.
1018
01:12:57,061 --> 01:12:58,794
Just move the fucking walrus
to another facility
1019
01:12:58,896 --> 01:13:01,497
And this thing ends
all together.
1020
01:13:01,599 --> 01:13:04,633
[ren] would you accept a
resolution where there was no
money changing hands at all?
1021
01:13:04,735 --> 01:13:06,168
-[phil] yes.
-[ren] but they move the walrus?
1022
01:13:06,270 --> 01:13:07,336
[phil] yes.
1023
01:13:08,305 --> 01:13:09,438
[ren] um...
1024
01:13:10,541 --> 01:13:13,675
From a financial basis
this is going to be
very difficult to resolve,
1025
01:13:13,778 --> 01:13:16,512
But if they just want to send
the walrus over, I'm done.
I'm done.
1026
01:13:16,614 --> 01:13:19,882
[ren] yeah, okay.
Let me... Let me raise that.
1027
01:13:19,984 --> 01:13:25,187
Um, all right, phil, I'll...
I'll let you know if I have
any updates later today
1028
01:13:25,289 --> 01:13:26,989
-And we'll talk to you soon,
okay?
-Okay, thanks, ren.
1029
01:13:27,091 --> 01:13:29,324
-[ren]
all right, take care. Bye-bye.
-Bye. Bye, ren.
1030
01:13:33,998 --> 01:13:37,399
When I say I want a walrus,
they say,
"well, that's crazy talk."
1031
01:13:37,501 --> 01:13:40,068
I don't know.
I'm excited for the first time
in a long time.
1032
01:13:40,171 --> 01:13:44,706
The time is now to focus on
trying to get smooshi.
1033
01:13:44,809 --> 01:13:47,009
This is the window,
this is the time. That's it.
1034
01:13:47,111 --> 01:13:49,178
[phone rings]
1035
01:13:49,280 --> 01:13:51,547
[christine] hello. Hi.
1036
01:13:52,783 --> 01:13:57,419
Hundred and eighty dollars
for the culture? That's fine.
1037
01:13:57,488 --> 01:13:59,521
-It was already 200 bucks?
-[christine] basically.
1038
01:13:59,623 --> 01:14:02,391
So we're at 400 bucks.
We'll be at 400 bucks?
1039
01:14:02,993 --> 01:14:04,493
They've already got it
on their mind. They're like--
1040
01:14:04,595 --> 01:14:06,595
-It's for mama.
-[phil] I know, I get it, like--
1041
01:14:10,034 --> 01:14:11,633
[wind blowing]
1042
01:14:16,073 --> 01:14:21,944
[soft music playing]
1043
01:14:47,838 --> 01:14:52,875
[soft, dramatic music playing]
1044
01:15:03,254 --> 01:15:05,420
[phil] you go and you give
this animal a name like zeus
1045
01:15:05,523 --> 01:15:08,323
Because he is meant to be
this big majestic powerhouse.
1046
01:15:29,880 --> 01:15:31,480
There's two walruses left.
1047
01:15:34,351 --> 01:15:41,156
Before this became this big,
massive, crazy, like story
with lots of eyes on it,
1048
01:15:41,258 --> 01:15:45,327
This was me curled up
in that room on a bedroom floor
1049
01:15:45,429 --> 01:15:49,831
Trying to figure out how it is
that I can get the walrus back.
1050
01:15:49,934 --> 01:15:53,235
So, suddenly when the
proposition of that
comes around,
1051
01:15:53,337 --> 01:15:57,873
You know, you can't not
give it a lot of consideration.
1052
01:15:59,677 --> 01:16:01,777
Marineland wants to silence me
at any cost
1053
01:16:01,879 --> 01:16:04,346
And at this point they're
considering silencing me
with the walrus
1054
01:16:04,915 --> 01:16:06,982
And it's, obviously,
very conflicting.
1055
01:16:07,084 --> 01:16:08,884
They want to take
my twitter account.
1056
01:16:08,986 --> 01:16:13,055
I mean, my twitter account is
the most valuable asset I have.
1057
01:16:13,791 --> 01:16:18,093
One of the concessions
marineland would like to impose
upon me is that I, uh,
1058
01:16:18,195 --> 01:16:21,930
No longer participate in the
filming of this documentary.
1059
01:16:23,367 --> 01:16:27,069
You know I have to really
carefully think about this,
but I have to...
1060
01:16:27,171 --> 01:16:30,238
I have to look at what life
would look like for me
1061
01:16:30,341 --> 01:16:33,942
If I couldn't speak of the
injustices, and this isn't just
about animals anymore.
1062
01:16:34,044 --> 01:16:37,312
There's a great deal of
injustice going on
all around this whole thing.
1063
01:16:40,084 --> 01:16:41,583
John holer's in the ground.
1064
01:16:43,220 --> 01:16:44,953
We could change this narrative.
1065
01:16:46,256 --> 01:16:47,556
[gavel bangs]
1066
01:16:54,698 --> 01:16:59,201
[indistinct chatter]
1067
01:17:01,672 --> 01:17:06,975
Mr., uh,chair, we offer that
s-203 and clause 2 be amended
1068
01:17:07,077 --> 01:17:12,247
By replacing line 18 on page 2
with the following:
1069
01:17:12,349 --> 01:17:18,453
"everyone commits an offense
who knowingly promotes,
1070
01:17:18,555 --> 01:17:20,255
Arranges, conducts, assists in."
1071
01:17:20,357 --> 01:17:23,558
So we are inserting one word,
"knowingly."
1072
01:17:23,661 --> 01:17:28,330
[mr. Chair] all those in favor
of the proposed amendment.
Countermanded.
1073
01:17:29,700 --> 01:17:31,366
Amendment is defeated.
1074
01:17:32,136 --> 01:17:34,136
Shall the bill carry?
1075
01:17:34,638 --> 01:17:35,704
[man 22] on division.
1076
01:17:37,074 --> 01:17:42,010
[mr. Chair] okay. And shall
the chair report
the bill to the house?
1077
01:17:42,112 --> 01:17:43,378
[man 23] yes. Yes.
1078
01:17:43,480 --> 01:17:45,814
[mr. Chair]
all right, thank you.
1079
01:17:49,086 --> 01:17:50,452
[phil] holy shit! We won.
1080
01:17:50,554 --> 01:17:53,088
[applause]
1081
01:17:53,190 --> 01:17:54,923
The bill passed.
1082
01:17:55,626 --> 01:17:58,226
[camille] good afternoon,
it's camille labchuk
here with animal justice.
1083
01:17:58,328 --> 01:18:00,996
I'm coming to you live
to give you
the really good news
1084
01:18:01,098 --> 01:18:06,168
That the committee just passed
bill s-203 through committee
with making zero amendments.
1085
01:18:06,270 --> 01:18:08,570
-May I now introduce you--
-oh, what's happening? Is there
something going on here?
1086
01:18:08,672 --> 01:18:10,105
-Oh, hello.
-This is phil demers.
1087
01:18:10,641 --> 01:18:13,475
[phil] what does it feel like to
win something against all odds?
1088
01:18:15,612 --> 01:18:18,680
[woman 22] okay, right here.
One, two, three.
1089
01:18:18,782 --> 01:18:21,883
-Yay!
-Cetaceans, cetaceans.
1090
01:18:21,985 --> 01:18:23,552
[all laughing]
1091
01:18:23,654 --> 01:18:28,523
[indistinct chatter]
1092
01:18:28,625 --> 01:18:33,161
I am very grateful.
It's kind of a combination
of relief and joy here
1093
01:18:33,263 --> 01:18:37,766
Because it's been four
and a half years since I
started in on this project.
1094
01:18:38,502 --> 01:18:43,238
Hats off to everybody.
I am still in disbelief, almost
speechless, but, uh, thank you.
1095
01:18:46,710 --> 01:18:49,010
[serene music playing]
1096
01:18:49,613 --> 01:18:54,316
I guess, you know,
you're supposed to pack up
and go home and be, like, done.
1097
01:18:54,418 --> 01:18:57,686
It's just strange.
It's strange to have like been
involved so heavily in something
1098
01:18:57,788 --> 01:19:02,357
And have invested so much in it,
to have it be finished
like that.
1099
01:19:02,459 --> 01:19:04,426
I... So I watched the vote.
It happened like this.
[snaps fingers]
1100
01:19:05,429 --> 01:19:08,430
And I looked around like,
"that's it, we're done?"
"yeah. We win."
1101
01:19:12,736 --> 01:19:13,802
[phone whistles]
1102
01:19:19,877 --> 01:19:24,279
No, no, the bill does nothing
for smooshi.
1103
01:19:24,381 --> 01:19:27,682
It's funny because as soon as
the bill passed people are just
like, "oh, what, no walruses?"
1104
01:19:27,818 --> 01:19:29,151
[chuckles]
1105
01:19:30,921 --> 01:19:35,457
When marineland opened
this season, unbeknownst to us,
1106
01:19:35,559 --> 01:19:37,926
They opened with only one walrus
1107
01:19:38,028 --> 01:19:42,697
Because apollo, uh,
had passed away.
1108
01:19:42,800 --> 01:19:49,504
That makes the fourth walrus
to die in... In 24 months,
leaving only smooshi now.
1109
01:19:49,606 --> 01:19:50,839
She's alone.
1110
01:19:55,813 --> 01:19:58,046
[crowd clapping]
1111
01:19:58,148 --> 01:20:00,348
[woman 23] ladies
and gentlemen, phil demers.
1112
01:20:00,818 --> 01:20:03,718
[applause]
1113
01:20:03,821 --> 01:20:06,721
I don't have a phd.
I'm not a scientist.
1114
01:20:07,524 --> 01:20:13,061
I'm not a public speaker,
but I'm a fighter.
1115
01:20:14,131 --> 01:20:19,668
We're gonna free whales,
we gotta free walruses, and
seals, and sea lions as well.
1116
01:20:19,903 --> 01:20:23,004
[crowd cheering]
1117
01:20:28,412 --> 01:20:31,713
[ren over phone]
the pressure, the "pressure"
that they're trying to apply.
1118
01:20:31,815 --> 01:20:35,317
So, it's not like... It's like
they're treating it like they
have leverage when they don't.
1119
01:20:35,419 --> 01:20:38,153
I almost want to tell them
just fucking tell these guys,
"save the fucking headache.
1120
01:20:38,255 --> 01:20:39,821
Give me the fucking walrus
and that's it."
1121
01:20:40,891 --> 01:20:44,926
No one else is gonna save
smooshi, not without me.
1122
01:20:46,897 --> 01:20:50,432
This relationship is necessary
for the world to see.
1123
01:20:50,801 --> 01:20:56,404
It will provide for people
greater perspective
on the emotional capacity
1124
01:20:56,506 --> 01:20:58,807
Of these animals
and the... And the hell
that they go through.
1125
01:21:00,911 --> 01:21:02,344
I'm smooshi's mom.
1126
01:21:04,081 --> 01:21:06,781
Everyone talks about
reuniting animals to nature
1127
01:21:06,884 --> 01:21:09,818
And bringing them back
to their natural environment.
1128
01:21:09,920 --> 01:21:13,321
What's more natural than
reuniting a baby
with its mother?
1129
01:21:14,324 --> 01:21:17,826
[ominous music playing]
1130
01:21:22,432 --> 01:21:29,471
I feel like everything's around
the corner from disaster,
1131
01:21:30,107 --> 01:21:31,072
Like everything.
1132
01:21:31,675 --> 01:21:34,376
I can't smoke enough weed;
it's not helping me.
1133
01:21:35,679 --> 01:21:37,545
I don't even want to tweet.
1134
01:21:40,417 --> 01:21:44,686
Everything feels weirdly done
1135
01:21:46,657 --> 01:21:49,858
And then I'll be left
to face myself with that.
1136
01:21:53,897 --> 01:21:57,899
[gloomy music playing]
1137
01:22:22,492 --> 01:22:28,763
I don't... I don't, uh... Given
how... How long it's taken
to change
1138
01:22:28,865 --> 01:22:31,299
What we have changed,
1139
01:22:31,401 --> 01:22:36,738
When you start to win on an
issue, uh, if it's an important
issue to the "government,"
1140
01:22:36,840 --> 01:22:41,042
Or to people that make money
from it,
they'll change the goal posts.
1141
01:22:41,144 --> 01:22:44,245
And so you have to fight harder
and differently.
1142
01:22:44,348 --> 01:22:47,382
[woman 24] one, two, three.
1143
01:22:47,484 --> 01:22:50,085
[all]
no walls for walruses!
1144
01:22:50,187 --> 01:22:52,687
No walls for walruses!
1145
01:22:52,789 --> 01:22:57,258
For years, nobody thought about
the compassion and empathy
of the animals
1146
01:22:57,361 --> 01:23:00,128
Until it became an issue
of compassion and empathy,
1147
01:23:00,664 --> 01:23:03,732
And now that's what kids are
being taught.
1148
01:23:04,167 --> 01:23:07,168
It doesn't make you a radical,
1149
01:23:07,771 --> 01:23:10,138
It just makes you someone
who loves animals
1150
01:23:10,240 --> 01:23:13,675
And think that they should be
able to live their lives
under their rules,
1151
01:23:13,777 --> 01:23:15,677
Not forced
under somebody else's.
1152
01:23:16,346 --> 01:23:20,148
[soft music playing]
1153
01:23:32,396 --> 01:23:36,698
We just mauled her.
We just squished
the hell out of her.
1154
01:23:37,200 --> 01:23:38,767
[phil] the vet was checking her
and stuff.
1155
01:23:38,869 --> 01:23:40,335
She was up and then she wanted
to lay down
1156
01:23:40,437 --> 01:23:42,504
And then they gave her
the needle, you know,
1157
01:23:42,606 --> 01:23:45,306
There had to be kidney failure
into congenital heart failure
into...
1158
01:23:45,409 --> 01:23:48,109
-I mean, that's what happens
when you live forever, right?
-[christine] yeah.
1159
01:23:48,211 --> 01:23:51,479
The only thing I have left
connected to marineland is kiska
1160
01:23:51,581 --> 01:23:55,583
Because now that mama's gone,
she was a connection.
1161
01:23:55,685 --> 01:23:57,952
Mama. Well, we were very lucky
to have her.
1162
01:24:03,460 --> 01:24:10,065
[serene music playing]
1163
01:24:26,550 --> 01:24:28,583
-[christine] sexy!
-[phil] yeah.
1164
01:24:28,685 --> 01:24:32,187
[laughing]
1165
01:24:36,426 --> 01:24:40,662
[serene music playing]
1166
01:25:05,188 --> 01:25:10,625
[announcer] smooshi is a female
weighing typically between
1,300 and 1,900 pounds
1167
01:25:10,727 --> 01:25:12,827
And grew up to 8 feet long.
1168
01:25:15,799 --> 01:25:19,000
[phil] I would put my hands
on her face.
I would let her know it's me.
1169
01:25:22,939 --> 01:25:25,573
Like I want to make it subtle
that she finds me.
1170
01:25:25,675 --> 01:25:27,475
I don't want to find her.
I want her to find me.
1171
01:25:27,577 --> 01:25:30,078
I want to just be there and I
want her to do what she does.
1172
01:25:30,180 --> 01:25:33,815
So, she'll check the environment
out and I want her to sort of
stumble upon me
1173
01:25:33,917 --> 01:25:36,117
And I want to just see naturally
what that reaction is.
1174
01:25:36,219 --> 01:25:39,420
I don't want to solicit
a reaction.
I want to see what happens.
1175
01:25:41,691 --> 01:25:46,127
I just want to blow into her
nose because that's how
we would communicate.
1176
01:25:46,796 --> 01:25:52,233
And if I can do that, if I can
just have that face right here
and then blow into that nose
1177
01:25:52,335 --> 01:25:54,135
And, you know, just to see
those eyes glow again.
1178
01:25:54,237 --> 01:25:56,237
Oh, my god!
Oh, it's impossible.
1179
01:25:56,339 --> 01:25:58,606
It's like, uh...
It's the impossible.
1180
01:26:04,247 --> 01:26:10,018
[serene music playing]
1181
01:26:17,727 --> 01:26:22,797
♪ would you rather be more
than he things that you say ♪
1182
01:26:22,899 --> 01:26:24,532
♪ or just be the words ♪
1183
01:26:24,634 --> 01:26:28,002
♪ that you sing to yourself
in your head ♪
1184
01:26:30,607 --> 01:26:33,007
♪ when nobody's around ♪
1185
01:26:36,112 --> 01:26:39,647
♪ or would you rather be
a part of the crowd ♪
1186
01:26:39,749 --> 01:26:42,383
♪ or just a single sound ♪
1187
01:26:44,020 --> 01:26:47,121
♪ waiting to be heard ♪
1188
01:26:49,226 --> 01:26:51,693
♪ do you know what I mean? ♪
1189
01:26:55,098 --> 01:27:00,168
♪ well, you could be one
of the lovers or liars ♪
1190
01:27:00,270 --> 01:27:06,107
♪ hiding all the things they do
on the back of their hands ♪
1191
01:27:07,711 --> 01:27:10,245
♪ well, it's just you and me ♪
1192
01:27:14,818 --> 01:27:20,154
[policeman] okay, so the reason
I'm here is because, uh, police
got a call from marineland,
1193
01:27:20,257 --> 01:27:22,257
Uh, expressing some concern.
1194
01:27:22,359 --> 01:27:26,628
So there was a twitter message
saying, "life is short.
Steal a walrus."
1195
01:27:26,730 --> 01:27:28,396
[phil] [chuckles] I'm sorry.
1196
01:27:29,699 --> 01:27:34,435
["quiet crowd" playing]
1197
01:27:39,643 --> 01:27:40,975
[bicycle bell rings]
1198
01:27:47,884 --> 01:27:52,587
♪ dear, mr. Quiet
who's got so much to say ♪
1199
01:27:52,689 --> 01:27:57,225
♪ so much more than
all of the sleeping parade ♪
1200
01:27:57,327 --> 01:27:59,594
♪ if I could tie up a string ♪
1201
01:27:59,696 --> 01:28:02,930
♪ to your mouths
and make you scream ♪
1202
01:28:03,033 --> 01:28:07,468
♪ all of the things
that you keep to your self ♪
1203
01:28:09,239 --> 01:28:12,974
♪ I'd love to get to
know you better ♪
1204
01:28:14,544 --> 01:28:17,712
♪ dear, mr. Quiet ♪
1205
01:28:18,581 --> 01:28:22,550
♪ I'd love to get to
know you better ♪
1206
01:28:28,658 --> 01:28:31,025
♪ when nobody's around ♪
1207
01:28:34,731 --> 01:28:38,900
♪ while we're all staring
at the end of the world ♪
1208
01:28:39,002 --> 01:28:43,338
♪ will everybody
have their hands on their head♪
1209
01:28:43,440 --> 01:28:45,073
♪ while they say ♪
1210
01:28:47,477 --> 01:28:53,648
♪ well, I told you so
oh, oh, oh ♪
1211
01:28:53,750 --> 01:28:56,918
♪ while everybody's walking
their own way ♪
1212
01:28:57,020 --> 01:28:59,620
♪ through the quiet crowd ♪
1213
01:29:00,523 --> 01:29:04,559
♪ all thinking
the same old things ♪
1214
01:29:06,496 --> 01:29:07,495
♪ if they only knew ♪
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