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Mommy, can I have a waffle?
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- For breakfast?
- Yeah.
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- Hello?
- Check Twitter out. It's blowing up.
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Hold on. I'm going to look for it.
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Everyone's doing #MeToo.
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Whoa, whoa, whoa. Hold on a sec, Trey.
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Mommy!
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Mommy?
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You know the Me-Too thing, right?
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If this Harvey Weinstein story broke
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and I hadn't experienced
what happened in ESP,
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I would be as equally not supportive
or not as compassionate, empathetic.
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I'd be like, "Why wouldn't
they just leave the room?"
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If anybody's ever been in an abusive
relationship, it's no different.
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Why would you stay with an abuser?
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You spend most of your time
defending yourself.
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Oh my God.
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Look at the Bill Cosby thing.
Look at the Harvey Weinstein thing.
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There isn't a place
in our culture right now
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where women who had
these abuses happen to them
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can go and get taken seriously.
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Unfortunately, you have
to use the media to do that.
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"Waking up this morning
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to almost every
woman friend of mine with a status
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moved me to tears, and then rage.
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I used to think that these things
never happened to me, but it has.
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In England at a rave,
in Israel in a bathroom,
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and most recently in Knox Woods,
Clifton Park, New York.
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Naked, pinned down,
mutilated and videotaped.
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Me too."
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♪ Days we were young ♪
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♪ We took photographs ♪
♪ Of everything we could see ♪
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♪ We have to run from it ♪
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♪ Priest and prophetess ♪
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♪ We were nothing we would defy ♪
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♪ Invisible skin ♪
♪ There is the world within ♪
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♪ Invincible skin ♪
♪ It's how we all begin ♪
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I just got a notification.
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- A notification about what?
- A New York Times notification.
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- Really?
- It's been popping up.
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- Holy shit! Look.
- You just got it? Let's see it.
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"To join the self-help
group's inner circle,
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some women provided compromising
material about themselves,
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then they were held down and branded."
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- It's happening.
- Wow. This shit's about to explode.
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- Its front page of the New York Times!
- That's very good.
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This is what we wanted!
Oh my God! Oh my God!
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With the Me Too shit,
this is going viral.
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Holy fuck. Nip, I'm the front page
of The New York fucking Times.
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Oh my God. Oh my God.
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Shit, Sarah.
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Oh my God,
there's a picture of my brand.
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"Albany, last March, five women
gathered in a home near here
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to enter a secret sisterhood
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they were told was created
to empower women."
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"A copy of a text message
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Mr. Raniere sent
to a female follower indicates
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that he knew women were being branded
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and the symbols designed
incorporated his initials.
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'If it were Abraham Lincoln's or Bill
Gates initials, no one would care.'"
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That's what he said to somebody?
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"Several former members
have asked state authorities
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to investigate the group's activities,
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but officials have declined
to pursue action."
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- Fuck them.
- Yeah.
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Fuck you all, shitheads.
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Hold on. Mark's calling.
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- Hi.
- Holy fuck.
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My phone has just been going.
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I'm literally phone call
to phone call to phone call.
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Oh my God.
Like, "I've got to go. Here's Mark.
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Got to go, here's Mom.
Got to go to there's a reporter."
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"Here's my chiropractor. I missed
my chiropractic appointment."
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In some ways
this is like another beginning now.
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Yeah. No.
The fireworks are going to start.
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Is there a certain unloading
of emotion going on?
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- Yeah. I love you, Bonnie.
- I love you, Sarah.
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No, no. Seriously.
I really fucking love you.
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- You were so brave.
- I love you too.
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We're having a moment.
You are the bravest, first one.
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That must have been scary as fuck
to try to leave when you did.
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It's just, this is crazy.
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This is going to be a roller coaster.
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It's gonna have inertia going
one way, inertia going the other.
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But I think it's a steady climb
towards whatever justice, whatever.
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What are they going to do now?
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What is the worst-case scenario
that they're going to do?
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- Yeah, agree.
- Love you. Bye.
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Barry, it's Catherine Oxenberg.
I just finished reading the article
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and I want to thank you
from the bottom of my heart.
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This is going to help save my daughter.
I'm so incredibly grateful.
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- Hi.
- How's it going?
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Welcome to the New York Times party.
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The party's getting started.
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Hi, just to let you know,
you're on speaker.
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There's a bunch of ex-ESP-ians
at my house.
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We're having a New York Times party.
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- Hey, guys.
- Hey.
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Everyone's on their phone
texting, tweeting,
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sending it to people who are still in,
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making sure the right person sends
it so we don't trigger their pride.
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We're a little...
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Someone is trying to... Barbara
Bouchey is trying to call me now.
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Oh my God. Should I answer that?
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Some people say I'm too busy.
I can't squeeze anything in.
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You're exactly the type of person
that needs a program.
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You know why? Your life
is obviously controlling you.
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- Sarah?
- Hi, Barb.
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What a big day! Oh my God, I love that
it rode the Harvey Weinstein coattails.
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Yeah. I think that was very smart,
and I posted the Me Too.
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You should go on my Facebook
and check it out.
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Oh my God. Finally,
it's getting out there.
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- And I'm just really proud.
- Thank you.
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- And it's very emotional.
- Yeah.
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So, I... You know,
I don't feel so alone anymore.
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No, you're not alone anymore.
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I don't know if you guys know this,
Barbara was my field trainer.
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Barb taught me everything.
Everything I know.
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- That was her?
- That was her.
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You told me that story. I didn't know
it was Barbara Bouchey.
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I guess her name was blacklisted
back then.
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- Now you're back.
- Now you're back.
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You know, Sarah, I want to tell you,
you outdid me as a field trainer.
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And I just knew you were going
to do amazing things,
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and I saw that in you
from the first moment I met you.
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And this is what I'm going
to say to you.
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It... Nothing may ever come it.
He may not be stopped.
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But nothing changes what you did.
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I'm hoping perhaps the authorities
will take another look.
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Yeah, I hope so too.
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This is it. These are the old VHS.
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I haven't seen him in 10 years,
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and so we're going to be watching
them for the first time.
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April 2009, myself
and eight key women resigned.
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We thought that people
would wake up at NXIVM
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or we can get the government
involved and hold Keith accountable.
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This needs to stop.
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It's manipulative and deceptive
and not transparent,
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and you don't know that.
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Of course, it didn't do anything.
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- This is a tape that you made?
- Yes.
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And I decided to surprise Keith.
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His father gave me some videos
when he was a little kid,
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and so I compiled that.
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This was his song that he would play
for me all the time
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by Led Zeppelin that says, Thank You.
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So, of course, I put it in there
because I'm a romantic.
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That's me.
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- Why did you make this tape?
- It was his birthday.
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And you know, at this point now,
I was in love with him.
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So, yeah, so I started the trend
of creating tribute videos.
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Did one for Nancy for her birthday.
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Okay. Are we ready?
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Who was Nancy Salzman to you?
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Nancy Salzman, I met in the late '80s.
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Nancy was a therapist and I was
referred to her for stress management.
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My mom died when I was eight.
My dad was a severe alcoholic.
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And I would get stressed out
about things
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because I needed
to control my environment.
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So, Nancy, she helped me a lot
and we became friends.
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Around the year 1999,
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she tried to convince me
to take a workshop.
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She and Keith had formed the company
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at that time called
Executive Success Programs.
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It was the first time in my life
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that I visited those wounds
and that childhood trauma.
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There's a part of our existence
that is indescribable.
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Like, for example,
the experience of pain.
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You could say, "Well, you have nerves
that fire and go up into your brain."
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Those are signals,
that's not the experience of pain
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because there are certain aspects
where you really like pain.
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You ever have someone hit
the volleyball at you fast,
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really hard and you receive it.
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Doesn't it feel neat when you hit it?
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You know, that's pain.
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Good pain, though.
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Let's go!
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Oh, get it, get it, get it, get it!
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Good.
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Do questions?
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I have an assumption that you
don't have any disintegrations.
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- Is that correct?
- Interesting question.
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It gets raised from time to time.
Unified or disintegration.
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I have some really neat talents
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and I have
some even neater fallibilities.
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The last thing I needed
was a boyfriend,
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and I didn't find him attractive.
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But after taking the program, I began
to admire and respect his mind.
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If I say, "I'm not unified,"
then, of course,
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"Oh gosh, he created this,
and he's not unified yet?"
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The goal is not to be unified.
The goal is to have more joy.
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Thank you for listening and playing.
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I'm going to take my balls and go home.
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I do that all the time.
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You take my balls and go home?
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Wait a minute now.
I mean, that's a nice offer, I guess.
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My saying is:
I take my toys and I go home.
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I take my toys and go home.
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Keith began flirting with me
and pursuing me.
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Do you want to take my balls?
Boom, boom.
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But it wasn't until months later
that I actually started dating him.
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And he would say,
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"You are not like anybody else,"
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because I was a business woman
and I was all self-made.
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I could match him in a way
that other people couldn't.
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Keith told me
that we would work together
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to help make a difference in the world.
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Hello, everyone. It's an honor
to be on the call this evening.
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I was 40-years-old and had a highly
successful financial planning firm,
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a couple of million dollars
in the bank,
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and my business was worth
a couple of million.
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One could say I had it all,
but I didn't.
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I gave up making millions
to help build the company.
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I was the first board member
on the very first executive board.
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I created Vanguard Week.
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It brought me great joy to create
a space for you to have joy.
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They had no sales
and marketing material
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and they didn't have
any professional image.
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Do you feel like a supermodel yet?
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That's my business sense
that I brought to the table.
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- She's quite the enroller.
- I know she is. She never gives up.
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During my time there,
I was personally responsible
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for probably enrolling hundreds,
maybe a thousand.
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If you could change things
that you want to change...
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What would that be worth?
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So 24 messages
since I last looked at Facebook.
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I'm looking at Twitter now.
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Generally, the overall is: "Holy fuck.
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I'm so glad you're out.
You're so brave."
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Every now and then, I'm getting a
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"What the fuck?
How could you let that happen?"
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It makes me sound stupid, but whatever.
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This isn't a sideline thing.
You know...
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People don't understand that though.
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You don't get to be neutral.
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You're going to get praised
and punished for it.
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"I don't feel sorry for them at all.
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These people in the Vancouver
chapter were aggressive, cliquey,
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and downright abusive in some of
their recruitment tactics of people
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within the Vancouver yoga
and acting communities.
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Predators."
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- Holy shit.
- Wow.
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"Why would any woman
subject herself to a tattoo
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after being made to say,
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'Master, please brand me.
It would be an honor'?"
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Sarah.
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Sarah?
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"It's so shockingly sad that these
women felt so lost in their lives.
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No red flags were flapping?
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No one thought, 'Wait a minute, what?'
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I know we're not supposed
to blame victims, but c'mon."
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It's okay. It's okay. It's okay.
Come here. Come here. Come here.
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This is my life in general,
but it's way worse right now.
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- I want her to hold me.
- Okay, but she's busy right now.
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You've got to give her five minutes
and then she'll come sit with you.
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Troy. Troy, look at me.
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- Sarah?
- Barb?
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The comments on the New York Times,
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I'm really recognizing specifically
how the main thing that Barry missed
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was the steps into getting involved
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and the psychology behind the coercion.
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So, yeah.
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I would understand why that would be
really bothersome to you, you know?
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And they didn't mention your career,
and it was your community.
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I felt your pain in that moment
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because that's what they've done
to me for the last eight years.
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Someone just sent me a link,
"Shocking allegations
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about capital region calling group
a cult." Let's play it together.
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The report out today says
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that some female members have been
branded with the founder's initials.
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What?
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News Channel 13's Dan Bazile digs deeper
into the underground world of cults.
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Oh my God.
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Does that mean
nobody wants to talk to me?
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They shut the door on us.
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And she was saying
they didn't want to say a word
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about some serious allegations
in the New York Times.
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What is happening essentially
is that these organizations...
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Jesus. These are pictures of me,
by the way.
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Your lack of identity,
your lack of a self.
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The person who joins the cult
and the person who invents the cult,
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they kind of suffer
from the same disease,
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this kind of fragility or narcissism.
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Oh my God.
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So, I'd say best case scenario
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is there's enough public outrage
for law enforcement to go,
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"Okay, we got it from here."
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Yeah. But the New York Times article,
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in reading it I thought,
"Okay, this is great,"
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but like, people still
don't really get what this is.
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Look, the branding and all that
is the headline.
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Right, and that's the physical
manifestation of multiple abuses,
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primarily in the emotional realm,
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which are harder to quantify
and harder to prove.
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It's very important that that's
the narrative of what's being told.
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I think it might be good
to talk to Brendan.
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- The Times Union guy?
- Yeah.
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Yeah, I think so too.
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The irony is I live
about 10 minutes from Keith.
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Oh, my goodness.
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We've done many stories
through the years.
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What was left on the cutting room
floor, for you, that you thought...
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A lot, a lot.
And you know, they broke the story,
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but you can do the rest.
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They left out the nuances
of how the recruitment was done.
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If they had said,
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"Do you want to get Keith's and Allie's
initials branded on your vagina,
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I definitely would have said no."
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But it was step by step,
by step, by step.
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People's boundaries and conscience
are being messed with here.
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Keith assumes this moral high ground
that he just doesn't have,
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but he's convinced an insular
group of people that it exists.
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And then they don't take in any
more information from the real world.
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And also, they left out
that with the women at the top,
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sex with Keith is
part of the enlightenment.
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There don't seem to have any chairs
left. I don't think they need to.
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Around 2006, a lot of people
had bought into the belief
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that Keith was really truly
an enlightened being.
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And if you have sex with the guru,
it actually moves your evolution.
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But did you see a halo over his head?
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Did the bells ring?
No, I didn't have any of that.
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But the truth is
I had a lot of intimacy problems.
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If you grew up without touch,
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without cuddling,
without being hugged...
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I don't know... You can't receive.
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Keith was very loving, gentle,
attentive, affectionate,
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and he helped me work through
a lot of that,
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to accept love, to receive love.
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I really felt that he was my soulmate.
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And the women in the inner circle
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who lived with him for decades,
said that.
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Recorder on ya.
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He was living with Karen Unterreiner,
Pam Cafritz.
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- What's Odin?
- Odin is a Norse god.
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And Kristin Keeffe.
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Which color do you think
I should dye my hair?
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This is an important question.
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This. It has more red.
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And you can make it lighter or darker
depending on how long you treat it?
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You can look back
and always see the red flags.
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But they presented it
like you know a dormitory.
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When I walked into his house,
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whoever was in there made room
for me to sit next to him.
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So, for all general purposes, what
I could see, I was the girlfriend.
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There's something about me
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that I can carry on a very odd life,
and in some ways...
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Yeah, it's odd in a lot of ways.
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Again, the number of women
that have been with me a long time.
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You've been with me almost 30 years.
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You've been with me almost 20 years.
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How does that happen? Why me?
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It's like what you are is it.
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I don't know how to put it into words.
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I think you touch people's heart,
and you get to their core.
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Everyone that's ever received
a Hallmark card,
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someone said something about
someone touching their heart.
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It sounds good and it may be true,
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but how do you express to an audience
who doesn't know me at all?
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Do you say, "He touches my...
If you saw a video
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about a bunch of people saying
a guy touches someone's heart,
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what do you get from that?
Do you really get it?
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Why is it that I can have relationship
with multiple women for a long time?
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So, you were aware that he was
having sex with other people?
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Not for about a year.
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Ladies and gentlemen,
put your hands together
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and get ready to sing
a very Happy Birthday one time.
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On three everybody! One...
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Two, three!
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Well, this is a party not even Nancy
can't help herself. Sing along.
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- How are you doing?
- Good.
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- You look fit. You been working out?
- It actually looks good on you.
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- You got anything on under that?
- No. I did that for you.
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You've got to see...
She's got nothing on.
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- Did she take you to the light?
- She didn't take me to the light.
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- To the beam yet? Oh, all right.
- She did that to you, but not to me.
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I'll see you a little later, right?
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- Who was the first woman?
- Barbara Jeske.
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Why so small?
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Keith said,
"So I have sex with Barbara.
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What's the big deal?"
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Maybe once, twice a year, that's all,
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he had sex with her
as her guru teacher.
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But then I found out about
the next one, Pamela Cafritz,
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and I confronted them,
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and they didn't hold back, yup.
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And then all this other stuff
came up, Karen Unterreiner,
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because now I'm suspicious
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of everybody's he's living with,
in that house.
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Who are you looking for?
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I'm looking for someone.
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You can bring me to the light.
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It's getting hot.
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During my nine years there, there
were 12 women he was intimate with.
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I was humiliated.
I felt betrayed. I was in shock.
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But you don't know things and
you don't know people until you do.
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And everybody is a blend
of good and bad.
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You can't see the bad if you don't
understand how they use the good.
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Oh, thanks babe. Thank you.
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Okay, here we go.
First radio interview.
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Thank you.
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The last 12 hours
have been actually pretty insane.
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All of a sudden, it's like,
holy shit, the whole world knows.
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It's hard to know
how it reads to people
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who don't know about any of this,
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because now that I'm out
and I'm looking at the people
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who are still in, they just look crazy.
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And so, like the frog
in the pot of boiling water.
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What was implanted from
the very beginning, that's caused...
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Such a fracture in my psychology
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that I would even get
to the point where I said,
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"Okay, master, it would be
an honor to brand me."
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That night, it was like a horror show.
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00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:04,000
And then there's Lauren saying,
"You're a Green you need to do this,"
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00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:06,520
and, "What does it mean, Sarah?"
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00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:08,440
What does it mean to be afraid?
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00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,600
Like, this is the kind of mind-fuckery.
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00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:17,360
It was immediately always
flipped back to you being your issue.
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A lot of people are reaching out like,
"Oh my God, what man did this to you?"
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And technically, it was the women.
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It was the women who pinned me down.
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00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,360
It was the women who scarred me.
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00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:33,240
It was the women
who did the manipulation.
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But it was under direction of a man.
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And it was all for, in my opinion,
a man's pleasure.
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I didn't really recognize how much
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that was a massive assault on me
emotionally and physically.
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00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,520
And I just felt compelled to share it.
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And these women feel
it's a beautiful, noble attempt
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to teach women strength
and to teach women empowerment,
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to be the type of women
that they could be,
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and I'm fucking that up for them.
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00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:12,240
This was from Keith. "Happy birthday.
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Dance like no one's watching you.
Sing like no one can hear you.
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Love like you've never been hurt before
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and live like it's heaven on earth."
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00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:22,960
And he wrote, "I just think of you
every time I read this.
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I love you, Keith."
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00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:28,560
There's a lot of people think
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00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:33,040
there's nothing wrong with multiple
consenting sexual relationships.
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00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,640
And these women bought
into that concept,
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00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:39,400
and also the concept that it was
the way to evolve your soul.
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00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:43,640
I just had a problem with it all.
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00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:47,200
We have an amazing show.
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00:26:47,360 --> 00:26:50,360
So, once I found out
about some of the other women,
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Keith stopped talking to me
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until the inner circle
all met with me for three days.
447
00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:01,640
You know, "Keith is your soulmate.
What's the big deal?
448
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:03,800
It makes you really angry and jealous.
449
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,880
Wouldn't you rather not have
those feelings anymore?"
450
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:13,880
And I did love Keith, and I wanted
to get through my issues.
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00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,160
I didn't like feeling jealous.
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00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:19,680
I didn't like feeling angry.
I felt out of control.
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00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:25,680
I gave it the Girl Scout try
to not be so attached to the penis.
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00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:30,720
But any time Keith and I had
a disagreement or an argument,
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he'd hang up,
and then I'd get the phone call
456
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within five minutes
from one of those other women.
457
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:41,080
"Keith says that you're blaming him.
458
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He's flat out on the couch.
You wiped him out.
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00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:48,400
Keith is not going to talk to you
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until we work
through this issue with you,
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and we give you the green light."
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00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,960
They made me think
that I was just crazy.
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00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:02,160
That went on for years.
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00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:09,280
I remember one time they came in 60
days in a row, groups, to mentor me.
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00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,520
So, what is blame?
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An excuse.
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00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,480
- A way to be right.
- A way to be right.
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00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:19,640
Not taking responsibility.
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00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,520
- Being a victim.
- Being a victim.
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00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:32,080
NXIVM released a statement saying
they firmly oppose violence and abuse.
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00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,840
They also say
the allegations are unfounded.
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00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:40,920
I'm looking at India's Facebook.
473
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:45,800
Okay, so she posted
the official NXIVM statement.
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She says, "For anyone who's read the
recent articles in the New York Times,
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this may help answer some questions
and alleviate any confusion."
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00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:57,720
Which it doesn't,
it doesn't address anything.
477
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,400
It makes us even more confused.
"Thank you for your care and concern,
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00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,560
it's been an incredibly sad situation
and I've anticipated this article.
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00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:05,640
I'm absolutely fine. Great, actually.
480
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,400
I would never put myself, or
the people I love into any danger.
481
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:10,120
These are my friends and colleagues.
482
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:12,320
I've never seen anything
but good come out of this work.
483
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:13,800
Please share if you feel compelled
484
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,520
to let people
know what's really going on. India."
485
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:20,040
- Did she write that?
- I doubt it.
486
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:23,440
They probably had a work session
where they all wrote it together.
487
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,000
I think she has people pushing her.
488
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:30,440
I mean... This is so hard. Oh my God.
489
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:35,400
So, this woman says, "I don't know you
as a woman and sister,
490
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:37,400
but I'm compelled to write to you.
491
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:41,160
We live in intense and confusing
times and we've all a drive to feel
492
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:45,200
that we play a meaningful part
in this mysterious life.
493
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:47,040
Being without meaning can be scary,
494
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:50,000
not knowing how to navigate this life
can be scary.
495
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,360
But maybe ask yourself,
what exactly are you so invested in,
496
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,040
guarding, hiding,
keeping in the shadows?"
497
00:29:59,920 --> 00:30:01,240
Come on...
498
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:07,000
Before I quit, I broke up with Keith
499
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,280
and then we needed to figure out how
I could work within the organization,
500
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:12,560
which I still thought
had a lot of good,
501
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:16,240
where Keith and I had
a platonic relationship.
502
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,320
Well, Keith stopped talking to me.
503
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,280
And you cannot be a high-ranking
person in an organization
504
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,200
where the leader is not talking to you.
505
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:29,160
And then Keith and the inner circle,
secretly told people
506
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:32,640
that the reason they saw me
distressed and emotional
507
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:36,440
was because my soul
had an ethical breach.
508
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,040
They actually told people
I was going crazy.
509
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:44,600
And nobody told anybody that
I had had a relationship with Keith.
510
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,320
And that it was all
because I broke up with him.
511
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:50,480
How dare I?
512
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:54,760
I was just waiting to talk to you
before I left.
513
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,920
By using sex and intimacy with women,
514
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,920
it allowed him
to then unduly influence them
515
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,200
and gain more control and power.
516
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,600
Keith's role,
not having an intimate relationship
517
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:13,720
with someone key in the organization
was the kiss of death for him.
518
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,520
He's losing control of me, fast.
519
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,600
I had about 40 NXIVM coaches
and proctors,
520
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,720
who confided in me issues
with leadership and hierarchy.
521
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:32,960
And I was gaining momentum with this.
522
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,560
- What is this?
- This is my V meter.
523
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,400
It tells you how close you are
to being fulling integrated.
524
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:43,840
One of them was Susan Dones,
who ran the center in Seattle.
525
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:48,320
Two 16 days, four level twos
and about 500 EM's.
526
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:56,040
It's like I had one foot in
and one foot out.
527
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,720
What's the difference between
100% honesty and 100% disclosure?
528
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:01,680
What's the difference between those?
529
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,960
For me honesty is truth
and disclosure is information.
530
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,880
You can't have 100% disclosure
with 100% honesty,
531
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:11,680
but you do not have to have
100% disclosure to have honesty.
532
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:15,920
And I spent hardly any time at all
with Keith Raniere,
533
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:20,960
but I didn't like the whole
guru-y kind of thing with him.
534
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,480
So back to the whole thing
about titles.
535
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:28,520
So, we all got together, and Vanguard
got the highest number of votes.
536
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,400
And I didn't want to be called master.
537
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:36,040
I asked Barbara, I said,
"Why is Keith not talking to you?"
538
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:40,560
And she said, "I can assure you
that I haven't done anything bad,
539
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:45,800
but I can't talk to you about
why Keith and I aren't talking."
540
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:49,400
And so then, I shared with her
that I was thinking of leaving
541
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:51,320
and she said, "Don't leave yet.
542
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,800
Come back to Albany. And let's talk."
543
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:59,440
And I held a forum at my home
to discuss the issues of NXIVM,
544
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,240
with the intent to address
and confront Keith.
545
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:07,360
And that's when I found out the
board consisted of all the women
546
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:09,520
Keith had been sleeping with.
547
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:16,840
And there were nine strong women
who wanted to confront him.
548
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,160
Who wants to start?
549
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:23,080
I can begin by sharing that
550
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:27,360
each person here in this room
has conveyed with me the work
551
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,880
that we do and how essential
it is to their lives.
552
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:36,560
Okay, so the first issue
is the control strategies.
553
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:41,920
There's a conflict of interest
caused by intimacy and secrecy,
554
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,680
that perpetuates
a circle of people close to you
555
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:46,760
that do not question your authority.
556
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:48,360
And I don't know
if you want to address this,
557
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:50,880
or if you want me to just go ahead...
558
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:55,640
Not only that, but there's
nothing to address per se.
559
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:59,760
It is true for you. So therefore,
it is true to some degree.
560
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,880
Because it's a part
of our transparency issue.
561
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:08,080
Transparency doesn't mean everything
is seen by everyone at all times.
562
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:14,280
What you present to the community
is very scientific.
563
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:16,960
However, you have often times told me
564
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:20,840
that should I have
emotional reactions that's negative,
565
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:25,240
that I am altering your health
in some form or fashion.
566
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,760
That's a half-truth for me. But...
567
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:34,600
I will state that I don't necessarily
believe, or not believe in mysticism.
568
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,520
I think you've given us all the tools.
569
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:41,360
I believe I have.
570
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:43,840
But I think the tools
get used against us.
571
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:48,040
It was like,
"Oh my gosh, I'm in a cult."
572
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:52,680
The nine of us after 11 hours
with Keith all resigned.
573
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:56,760
I shut my center down
and I told the people I trusted.
574
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:59,960
And then we wrote
our resignation letter,
575
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,560
asking for money
that we believed that was owed to us.
576
00:35:04,720 --> 00:35:07,440
Some were commissions,
some were trainer fees.
577
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:10,520
I asked for the value
of what I believe my center was.
578
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:15,320
Keith and Nancy
personally owed me $1.6 million.
579
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,080
And so, we wrote,
"If these requests are not met,
580
00:35:18,240 --> 00:35:21,160
we're going to move forward
by contacting the press."
581
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:28,320
Thank you. Please be seated.
582
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,360
Am I sitting here? Okay.
I almost sat on the table.
583
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:38,160
So, I'm here to give you...
It's sort of a mixed thing.
584
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:42,880
I had a series of meetings.
585
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:46,440
The meetings were to give me
feedback on myself,
586
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,720
on the organization,
on a number of different things.
587
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:51,720
And all the feedback's valid
by the way.
588
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,520
Now the long and the short of it is,
589
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:56,240
I think there are a group of people
590
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,520
who are probably
going to leave our community.
591
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:02,280
It is believed in this group,
592
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:07,120
that I have a group of intimate
relationships, some sexual, some not.
593
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,080
And they say
this intimacy is a control strategy.
594
00:36:10,240 --> 00:36:13,280
Well, clearly is.
I have to be able to trust them.
595
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,400
And there are things that are secret.
596
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:19,000
I believe in strategic secret,
especially when I believe
597
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:21,240
that there are people with bad intent.
598
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:25,440
And I do believe
that a very, very small minority
599
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:28,960
in this group
may not be well-intentioned.
600
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:32,480
And in a specific case,
601
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,720
there is a personal issue
that I have with one of them.
602
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:37,880
And I've worked to try to fix it,
worked to try to fix it,
603
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:41,000
to the best of my ability,
and I failed.
604
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:42,800
Where did it cross the line?
605
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:46,040
It crossed the line when
the executive board get a letter.
606
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:49,840
And essentially the letter says,
"We want..."
607
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,840
Works out to over $2 million.
608
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:56,720
"And if you don't give us,
coming up this Thursday,
609
00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:00,880
a certified check for the $2 million,
we're going to the press."
610
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:06,760
This is extortion.
So, we are filing criminal charges.
611
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,480
It's already in process.
612
00:37:12,240 --> 00:37:16,240
This is very difficult for me, because
these are people I care about.
613
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,600
And people I've known a very long time.
614
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:22,360
I just wanted to ask, how are you?
615
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:29,240
In some ways it's a death,
in some ways it's a birth,
616
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:31,680
and in some ways it's a relief.
617
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:35,440
I hate to say that, but there...
A physical relief.
618
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:39,120
I can divert my attention, my focus,
619
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:42,160
even my physical being
to some other things now.
620
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:49,480
I have a beautiful picture in here
of the two of them. Let me find it.
621
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:53,960
That's Sara and Clare Bronfman.
622
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:59,600
In 2005, Keith convinced me
to become a financial planner.
623
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:01,680
I left April 2009.
624
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:06,000
And then what happened is Clare
Bronfman went to the Saratoga DA,
625
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:09,240
to tell them that her financial
planner, Barbara Bouchey,
626
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:13,040
had an ethical violation with her,
and she fired her because of it.
627
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:16,400
And that Barbara Bouchey,
in revenge and spite,
628
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:20,280
tried to extort $2 million from her
and blackmail her.
629
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,520
They used the resignation letter.
630
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:30,080
I had a knock on my door, and
I was being served legal documents
631
00:38:30,240 --> 00:38:33,320
that said that Keith Raniere,
NXIVM and the Bronfman's
632
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:37,360
were going to bring civil
and criminal charges against me.
633
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:43,360
How did they take people
who should have known me
634
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:47,560
and experienced me?
And how did they twist it?
635
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:51,120
We're winning, right?
636
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:53,200
- No.
- Not yet.
637
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,840
Edgar Bronfman was
a pussy cat compared to you.
638
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:06,480
I mean he just basically sat back
in his Fifth Avenue apartment
639
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:08,640
and just licked his wounds.
640
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,560
Thank you so much, Rick.
All right. Bye-bye.
641
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:15,520
- Who is Rick Ross?
- He is a cult expert.
642
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:18,480
And he knows Keith intimately,
643
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:22,040
because they kept him in litigation
for about 15 years.
644
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:24,600
He's been helping me all along.
645
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:28,280
- Hey Rick.
- Hi.
646
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:31,200
So, this is Stanley. This is Rick Ross.
647
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,440
Stanley has been a friend of mine
since I was 18.
648
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:38,760
And India actually, so she just
texted me for the first time,
649
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:43,960
since the New York Times article.
So, this is what she says,
650
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:46,320
"Mom, I love you. But I don't agree
with your approach
651
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:48,840
publicly shaming me
and people I care for.
652
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,480
That's not very considerate
of our private relationship.
653
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:56,040
I've been cautious about
our communication and don't think
654
00:39:56,200 --> 00:40:00,000
the people you're working with
have your, or mine best interests."
655
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:06,400
That kind of verbiage to me
it's like, "It's all your fault.
656
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:08,520
NXIVM never does anything wrong.
657
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:11,000
Keith Raniere
never does anything wrong."
658
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:13,600
They never have anything to address.
659
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:15,960
Well, this is what I was going to say.
660
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:18,280
"You have every right
to be angry with me.
661
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:20,560
In spite of that,
I hope you can understand
662
00:40:20,720 --> 00:40:23,600
that I am coming from love.
I'm a mother afraid for her daughter."
663
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:25,400
Is there anything else I should change?
664
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:27,080
That's good. And you can say,
665
00:40:27,240 --> 00:40:29,240
"I respect your right to make choices.
666
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:32,240
And I hope
that you can do the same for me."
667
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:36,600
Except that my choice is to out
her publicly. How do I justify that?
668
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:38,200
I think you have to be careful,
669
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:40,600
because once you start
to get into an argument,
670
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:44,800
there is probably somebody
coaching her on her text.
671
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:46,600
And this is the training.
672
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:50,320
So, he determines
the parameters of reality
673
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:55,080
and the women that are the closest
to him who live in the Albany area
674
00:40:55,240 --> 00:40:58,960
are the most controlled people
in the entire group.
675
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:02,520
We don't want to admit that that
could happen to someone we love,
676
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:07,440
but the human mind is much more
fragile than we would like to believe.
677
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:11,200
We are all subject
to influence techniques.
678
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:14,920
And anybody,
especially a woman that says,
679
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:18,920
"I'm done with you, Keith Raniere."
He doesn't like that.
680
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:23,520
And I've seen people
who he's utterly destroyed their life.
681
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,480
A significant cultural event
for the Capital Region,
682
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:34,160
the appearance of the iconic
spiritual leader, the Dalai Lama.
683
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:36,840
The Tibetan Buddhist monk
who won a Nobel Peace Prize
684
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,600
and who has admirers all over
the globe, came to Albany today,
685
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:42,800
as the result of an invitation
from the World Ethical Foundation,
686
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:44,680
which is founded by two sisters,
687
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,480
heiresses of
the Seagram's Liquor Corporation.
688
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:49,120
Two weeks after I quit,
689
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:52,240
the Dalai Lama agreed to tack on Albany
690
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:55,680
to his already 23 city tour.
691
00:41:57,520 --> 00:41:59,960
And then they milked it.
I mean, it was all over their website
692
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,480
and articles went out
and, you know, letters.
693
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,000
In the meantime, behind the scenes,
694
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,480
my whole criminal case was going on.
695
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:18,080
The Bronfman's and Keith
had already networked locally
696
00:42:18,240 --> 00:42:20,200
with many prominent law firms.
697
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:23,840
The name carried weight,
and I couldn't find an attorney.
698
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:28,280
Who do you think wants to represent me?
699
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:34,400
Well, sometimes
there are some people that come
700
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:36,960
that seem to have bad intent,
701
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:41,640
but I never want to believe that.
702
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:46,280
At what point
do you take action, definitively?
703
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:49,480
I mean bad motivation.
704
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:52,320
Truly.
705
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:58,400
That sometimes it's necessary
to take appropriate measure.
706
00:42:59,920 --> 00:43:04,280
Without self-centered,
sort of egotistic sort of feeling.
707
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:07,520
I get more sort of the fame,
708
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:13,360
or I get some more followers,
then that is self-centered attitude.
709
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:17,320
And also,
you all have to judge your Guru.
710
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:23,240
Don't refer to me as a Guru.
I'm not a Guru.
711
00:43:24,240 --> 00:43:25,720
Or teacher then.
712
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:30,400
Good.
713
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:42,800
And after that
I have the actual NXIVM announcement.
714
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:48,200
They announced proudly
that they were improving things,
715
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:50,480
and they're going to change the board.
716
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,440
He took all the girlfriends off
717
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,880
and then he put Clare Bronfman,
Emiliano Salinas,
718
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,920
and Mark Vicente on the board.
719
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:03,560
That's what I'm talking about.
720
00:44:03,720 --> 00:44:05,880
They kinda pulled Mark into the fold.
721
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:08,800
The person who was my field trainer
originally Mark's field trainer
722
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:10,480
is no longer in the company.
723
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:13,400
So now in the meantime,
724
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:16,720
they lost Seattle
because of Susan Dones quitting.
725
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:18,840
And you had
all those people in Vancouver
726
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,680
that used to sometimes go down
to Seattle for some classes.
727
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:24,160
And one thing, I was going
to say speaking of EM's...
728
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:26,120
So, Mark and Sarah, Keith and Nancy,
729
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:30,080
very strategically took
a stronger interest in them.
730
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:36,160
We are going downstairs,
731
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:38,720
the front which has a reception.
732
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:41,000
This would be
like a study hall, whiteboard.
733
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:44,240
And they got to open
the center in Vancouver.
734
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:51,960
You could say from image to
financial, they got lots of benefits.
735
00:44:54,240 --> 00:44:56,160
And as this went on,
the Bronfmans started accusing me
736
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:57,680
of more accusations.
737
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:00,240
I stole their money, I misappropriated.
738
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,880
They were bombarding the court.
739
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:08,000
They said that, you know, I had done
all of these crimes against them.
740
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:10,280
And so, I had to defend all of those.
741
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:16,160
I think there was 360 court filings
742
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:20,760
filed in that 10-month
period of time. 360.
743
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:23,800
And I couldn't work during that time,
744
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:26,480
because I had
to constantly write motions
745
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:29,080
and go to hearings
and that kind of stuff.
746
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:33,800
I'm sorry.
747
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:38,200
I am a weekend DJ because it fits
into my lifestyle right now.
748
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:42,800
The lifestyle of having to learn
how to defend myself against them.
749
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:49,440
I was broke.
I didn't have $20 in my pocket.
750
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:54,880
I was shuffling between being able
to buy food, or pay my lawyers.
751
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:59,560
I think it was like 2011, myself
and a couple other people I know,
752
00:45:59,720 --> 00:46:03,360
talked to the New York State
Attorney General.
753
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:07,240
And we were asked to turn over
lots of documents to them.
754
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:09,480
And finally, they said,
"Stop sending us stuff."
755
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:12,000
And we thought, "Okay,
they have enough information."
756
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:14,520
Nothing ever happened.
757
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:17,160
Nothing ever happened.
758
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:19,920
And the attitude was,
"Well Ms. Bouchey,
759
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:22,920
aren't you and Keith just bickering
like in a bad divorce?
760
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:26,640
And really this is
just probably just a big fight
761
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:29,080
and we've got bigger fish to fry."
762
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:34,440
I am terrified every time
the doorbell rings, the phone rings.
763
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:36,520
Every time I open up my email,
764
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:40,080
that it is another voluminous filing.
765
00:46:40,240 --> 00:46:46,440
Groups that litigate like this can
drag out these lawsuits for years,
766
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:50,840
hoping to exhaust you and drain you
767
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:53,800
and ultimately to gag you.
768
00:46:56,320 --> 00:47:00,600
It took me seven years to pay off
the $700,000 in legal debt.
769
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:04,480
I finally was able to move here
and rebuild my life.
770
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:12,600
I am totally out.
I mean, and I am out in a big way.
771
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:17,760
In February of 2014,
Kristin Keeffe quit NXIVM and left.
772
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:21,200
And I was the first person she called.
773
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:26,920
Are you safe, though? Are you okay?
774
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:30,400
Well, I think so.
775
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:36,160
You weren't scared to call me?
776
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:39,640
- No.
- Why?
777
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:42,760
Because I know the truth.
778
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:45,720
You know Barb, he was undermining you
779
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,280
behind your back the whole time.
780
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:51,320
He undermined you to all of us.
781
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:56,560
He lured you in, just seduced you,
782
00:47:56,720 --> 00:47:59,280
to get his company off the ground.
783
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:02,120
Then he used your business
784
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:05,040
to get complete financial control
of the Bronfmans.
785
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:09,440
And then, he blew things up
with you, I think deliberately.
786
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:16,840
He used them to get you
to break yourself psychologically.
787
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:19,880
And I never saw you do anything
788
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:23,760
that I ever thought was
even remotely questionable.
789
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:35,240
He could have been great.
790
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:39,960
There was so much potential.
791
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:43,160
And he did do
a lot of great, good things
792
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:47,600
and did help thousands of people,
including me.
793
00:49:00,240 --> 00:49:05,920
It's unfortunate
that his addictions and flaws
794
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:09,560
destroyed his own consciousness,
795
00:49:09,720 --> 00:49:12,600
and that, I forgive him.
796
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:17,480
But I want to say to him,
797
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:21,360
"You belong in jail
for the rest of your life."
798
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:28,040
You know, I don't begrudge anybody,
anything, and I don't feel bitter.
799
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:33,280
I totally get how each one of you
800
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:37,600
at a young age was influenced.
801
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:42,640
It's like he's moving out the old
and he's bringing in the new.
802
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:49,280
Like, a whole new group
of women, young.
803
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:59,800
We're headed to
a 30 Rock, 30 Rockefeller Plaza
804
00:49:59,960 --> 00:50:02,480
to do the Megyn Kelly Show.
805
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:04,840
Everything that I'm doing right now
is targeted
806
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:08,080
to pressure the authorities
to start to the right thing.
807
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:12,920
My daughter, she said,
I made her look like a lunatic.
808
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:14,440
How did you feel when you heard that?
809
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:18,200
Sad. I mean, because...
I mean, this is the thing
810
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:20,360
and this I want
to get across on the show.
811
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:22,520
There are times in one's life
as a parent
812
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:26,480
where my child's safety comes first.
813
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:30,600
And her safety is more important
than her liking me right now.
814
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:34,400
And that's a price I have to pay.
And it's a big price, as a parent.
815
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:41,760
Several of the women
went to the authorities
816
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:43,640
and the authorities
dismissed their claims.
817
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:46,400
They said, if a woman consents
there's nothing they can do.
818
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:50,160
I'd like to counter that because
to me, brainwashing is not consent.
819
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:52,400
Blackmail is not consent.
820
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:55,720
So, what do you do now?
821
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:59,560
Well, this is my last resort going
to the media to bring awareness,
822
00:50:59,720 --> 00:51:02,120
because without awareness,
there can be no outrage.
823
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:04,760
And unless there's outrage, the
authorities are not going to step in
824
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:06,240
and do what they should do,
825
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:09,320
which is shut this down,
and stop this from happening.
826
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:14,880
The fact that they had
all the pictures of us,
827
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:17,920
like that was really hard.
828
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:21,640
I felt that I failed her.
829
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:40,360
Hi, Barb.
830
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:43,280
So, going after them criminally
would be number one.
831
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:45,040
And I can be in the background,
832
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:48,680
providing knowledge,
information and evidence.
833
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:51,080
Because I'm not safe
until he's stopped.
834
00:51:51,240 --> 00:51:54,360
- Okay. Big hugs. Okay.
- Big hugs.
835
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:56,560
- Love you honey, bye-bye.
- Bye.
836
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:03,160
What the...
837
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:08,400
In 2009, when Barbara Bouchey, left
and everybody left, I got a promotion.
838
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:12,840
I believed the lies about them.
839
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:17,440
- Are you a victim?
- Yeah.
840
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:20,200
I mean, I'm a victim
in terms of a victim of a con.
841
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:22,000
But I definitely had made choices,
842
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:24,320
I definitely have
a lots of responsibility
843
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:26,360
in many bad things that happened,
844
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:30,400
but it's not black and white,
you're not one or the other.
845
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:33,000
- Let's have a pillow fight.
- You want to have a pillow fight?
846
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:34,480
- Yeah.
- Okay.
847
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:45,360
There is a big huge monster coming.
848
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:48,520
Let me come in with you,
849
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:51,080
because I'm going to get eaten too.
850
00:52:51,240 --> 00:52:53,400
Get the pillows. Get the pillows.
851
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:56,200
- Oh no.
- Get the pillows.
852
00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:59,720
I got you, and we're safe in here.
You're safe.
853
00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:06,440
Yay, thank you. This is the wonderful
and amazing goddess, India.
854
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:13,280
Oh my God, it's the Attorney General!
855
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:17,080
Oh my God. I'm speechless. Holy shit.
856
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:20,120
One of the parents
of a girl who escaped
857
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:22,640
has been in touch
with the Chief Investigator
858
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:27,000
in Eric Schneiderman's office
and he's ready to talk to me.
859
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:29,720
Oh my God. Oh my God.
860
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:34,440
♪ Out on the streets ♪
♪ Of Mary Sally old road ♪
861
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:38,120
♪ Can't get me out ♪
♪ Unless you use a shoe horn ♪
862
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:42,040
♪ Eve of destruction ♪
♪ But you still talking free trade ♪
863
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:45,160
♪ You give me lemons ♪
♪ And I'll make lemonade ♪
864
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:48,040
♪ So I pray ♪
865
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:52,120
♪ Though I'm tired ♪
866
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:56,160
♪ Well this can't wait ♪
867
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:59,000
♪ So we fight ♪
868
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:04,960
♪ They say you earn a penny ♪
♪ Each one you save ♪
869
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:08,840
♪ Easy to save it ♪
♪ When you don't need a dang thing ♪
870
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:12,640
♪ Freedom and justice ♪
♪ Well they ain't your play thing ♪
871
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:16,360
♪ Prop up your puppets ♪
♪ And you kill the real kings ♪
872
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:19,440
♪ So I pray ♪
873
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:21,600
♪ Though I'm tired ♪
874
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:23,240
♪ So tired ♪
875
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:27,160
♪ Well this can't wait ♪
876
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:30,280
♪ So we fight ♪
877
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:35,000
♪ We have to fight Fight ♪
878
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:38,400
♪ We have to fight Fight ♪
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