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What they always say is, "Be yourself."
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A baffling injunction.
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What they actually mean is,
"Imitate yourself."
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I'm talking a bit
like a ventriloquist's dummy
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because I'm frightened
if I move my lips,
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he might get the mouth wrong.
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Like those terrible photographs when
they catch you with your eyes closed.
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Tom Wood,
who's painting this portrait,
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has been commissioned
by the National Portrait Gallery,
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which is, I suppose, a kind of
pictorial cemetery of national life.
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He did a very good portrait
of Prince Charles.
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Though I suppose he's much more used to
having his portrait painted than I am.
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My father used to hate
having his picture taken.
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He'd pull down the corners of his mouth
and look really sickened.
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My ma would say, "Dad,
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"stop pulling your jib."
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But he looked so miserable sometimes,
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he looked like the last years
of Somerset Maugham.
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Being photographed made my dad uneasy,
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just as being painted now makes me.
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But then, art in general
has always puzzled me.
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The first art gallery I ever went into
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was here in Leeds,
early in the Second World War.
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It had scarcely any pictures
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and the only one
that caught my eye was rude.
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- It's so natural, isn't it?
- Ah, yes.
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I think that's lovely and restful
and peaceful and...
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- Peaceful, yeah.
- Yeah.
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- That's lovely...
- And that's like
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the industrial Yorkshire and all,
with all the chimneys.
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- Yes, down Water Lane way.
- Very much.
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Yes. I like country scenes,
you know.
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- It is really beautiful.
- Very much.
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- Jack Butler Yeats.
- Yeah?
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He is the brother of the poet,
the great poet.
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- Who is that?
- WB Yeats.
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I have to take a look
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and tell Bjorn...
I get back on the... Watch your step.
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That's right. Oh, yes.
I think there are some other pictures
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by Yeats in the gallery.
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Jack Yeats, very distinguished
Irish artist.
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- Very distinguished.
- Okay, yeah.
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So, who do you think
these people were?
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'Cause they only give us a name, but
they don't tell us about who they are.
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- Who they are?
- Who do you think they were?
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Well, I don't know who she was,
but she was very, very sad, that lady.
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She looks more like
somebody's great granny to me.
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And what do you think
of the frames?
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It interferes with the picture
or do you think it helps it?
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No, I should imagine they...
I would think that they help.
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I think they would.
They match the picture.
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Yes, they're very old, and...
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That is very good
with that picture, that.
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- I think that is ever so sweet.
- It's really pleasing.
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Really natural, and all.
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My appreciation of painting
is quite shallow
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I find it hard to divorce appreciation
from possession.
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So I know I like a picture only
when I'm tempted
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to walk out with it under my raincoat.
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However much I like a painting,
I seldom hang about in front of it
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but go and get a postcard instead.
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Art is hard on the feet.
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I loathe standing,
and get more speedily exhausted
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in a gallery than anywhere else,
except perhaps a second-hand bookshop.
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That apart, I know I prefer paintings
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where the colour tones
are close together,
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as in this little picture
by the Camden Town painter
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Malcolm Drummond.
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When I first saw this gallery, I was
about the age these boys are now
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It was in 1942, on a school trip.
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The Standard 3
from Upper Armley National School
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were being brought down on the tram
by our teacher, Miss Timson,
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to see an exhibition at the art gallery
to do with Ark Royal Week.
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Miss Timson was a grey-haired,
rather severe old lady,
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with the kind of old lady's legs
that seem to have gone out now,
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begin at the far corners of the skirt,
and converge on the ankles.
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And she'd taken us to see
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the inevitable fundraising thermometer
on the Town Hall steps
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to mark the progress
of the Ark Royal fund.
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And now she ushered us into the back
of this crowded gallery,
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where people were watching
some sea scouts
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singing and whistling
Pedro the Fisherman.
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My entertainment was scarce in 1942,
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but even then I knew this was
no crowd-puller.
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And the attention of Standard 3
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soon began to wander.
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- Oh, wow.
- Look, a goblin.
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- Goblin.
- The goblins?
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They fairly look quite Greek,
don't they?
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- Perseus!
- Hey, look!
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Like a great mask.
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Most of the pictures had been evacuated.
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But there was one canvas,
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big, round, battered,
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of a battlefield.
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And I don't see it here now.
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And it's this that attracted
the attention of Standard 3.
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It was the kind of battle that was
always being described in the Bible,
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mountains of dead,
imploring wounded.
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And women wandered over the field,
looking for their loved ones.
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In the foreground, a striking figure,
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my mother would have called her
"a big woman".
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A queen, possibly,
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her many bangles proclaim her
a person of some consequence.
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And at her feet, a wounded warrior,
a consort, possibly,
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certainly someone with whom
she's on intimate terms,
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because she's standing back from him,
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and has ripped aside her bodice
to display an ample breast.
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Some of the boys in Standard 3,
Roland Ellis, John Marston,
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had begun to nudge and snigger.
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Not me, because I'm a timid child,
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shy, or sly would be a better word.
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I keep one eye on Miss Timson,
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while stealing looks
at this extraordinary canvas.
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The sight of a breast
so insolently displayed was,
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even in the hygienic context of art,
not a common sight in 1942.
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And as it becomes plain
what this brazen woman is doing,
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the sniggering gets worse.
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What she was doing was expelling
the contents of her breast,
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I think the technical term
is "expressing",
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with all the overtones of the day,
I think the technical term
is "expressing",
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with all the overtones of the day,
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but expelling the contents of her breast
into the mouth of the wounded warrior.
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Now, the range would be
about three yards.
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And there may, who knows, have been
some botched shots.
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But certainly at the moment
of depiction, she was smack on target,
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this perfect lactic parabola
going straight into his mouth.
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Now, I knew boys who could spit
as accurately as that.
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And who knows, maybe this was
the female equivalent?
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- And it's made out of bronze.
- Bronze.
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By this time, though, the sea scouts
had finished Pedro the Fisherman,
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and filing onto the stage came
the Leeds police choir
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to give a rendition of Bobby Shaftoe.
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And Miss Timson looked round
for her class.
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Now, whereas Roland Ellis
and John Marston could be expected
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to be looking at rude pictures,
I wasn't that sort of boy.
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But no sooner did I perceive the danger
than I took avoiding action.
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"Miss, miss," I said,
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"is this what's known as suckering
the wounded?" I was eight years old.
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"No, Alan," Miss Timson said crisply,
"but very good.
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"This is what's known as smut."
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- It's Stonehenge. It's...
- Stonehenge?
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- Yeah, what does that mean?
- It's a famous monument.
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Stonehenge are these great stones.
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Now, are they placed there,
or are they there naturally?
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No, they were placed there,
about 2500 BC.
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Oh, for what purpose? Do you know that?
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I think it is for worship.
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- I see.
- And I think the sun
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is supposed to shine
through the central stones on the...
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That's very much like Ireland.
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Mmm.
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- Country's country, anyway.
- Yes, it is, isn't it?
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- Wherever you go.
- Very much so.
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So here we have an artist.
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- Yes.
- He's painting.
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- Oh, yes.
- A person.
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So what does that tell us?
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Do we always think of artists
as being male?
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- No, no.
- I don't.
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Right. But there's
a lot of drawings and paintings...
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Well, he is a male.
Look at the bottle beside him and all.
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- Oh, aye.
- Having a swig.
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Refreshments while they work.
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We'd better not say
what we think about this. I think I'd...
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We can't really see this lady's face.
Is that important, do you think?
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Yes, I'm sure.
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- Because it's like a pattern.
- Her face?
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- It's like a pattern.
- Yes, it is. It's if they've been
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- putting in pieces kind of thing.
- Yeah, like a jigsaw.
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I don't know what you'd like
to see, Margaret.
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- Everything.
- You'd like to see everything?
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Yeah, this is the first and last time
I am here.
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The first and last time?
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Oh, well, that's London.
Look at that.
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That's Kokoschka, Kokoschka!
Remember it.
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- I have seen that.
- Is it Kokoschka?
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- No, what's this in French?
- No, it's Derain.
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- Watch the string, please...
- What's the string?
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At the age of eight,
one had not learned,
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nor, I suppose, had our foremistress,
the propriety of art,
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that art and antiquity
make it quite proper to peep.
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It's all right if it's art.
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I was once at an exhibition
of Indian paintings
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at the Hayward Gallery. Tantra.
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And there was one panel where a goddess
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was having every possible thing
done to her
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through every conceivable orifice,
by half a dozen strapping young men,
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and enjoying every minute of it.
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And looking at this were two
middle-aged, very middle-class ladies.
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Eventually one of them spoke.
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"Goodness.
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"She's a busy lady."
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- But look here!
- This is a most extraordinary man.
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This man, Stanley Spencer,
he lived in a little village,
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- near the Thames.
- Mmm-hmm.
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And everything in his life became
something religious, you see?
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Mmm. Yes.
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Yes, this is Stanley... Now, very stark.
There he is again.
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Most extraordinary man,
Stanley Spencer, yes.
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Hilda, Unity, and Dolls. That's right.
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- When did he live? 1891 -1950.
- Yes.
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Oh, he was quite crazy, of course,
but he had a brother
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- who was also an artist, you know.
- Hilda, Unity, and Dolls.
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Oh, that's Gilbert! That's his brother!
It's a different one.
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That's the brother, yes.
He was not so famous as Stanley.
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No, "Stanley Spencer, Gardening,"
it says here.
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Gardening. But this one is Gilbert.
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Ah. Then, you see, we got it wrong.
That's right.
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So, that isn't Stanley, that's Gilbert.
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It's very puzzling, these things,
isn't it? I mean, you get very muddled.
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Painters seem to me an altogether nicer
class of person than writers.
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Though they often make
very good writers themselves.
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But they're less envious,
less competitive.
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And I think they've got more of a sense
that they're all engaged
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on a common enterprise.
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This is by Duncan Grant.
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I once met Duncan Grant
when he was quite old.
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And I asked him if he was
envious of other painters.
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There was a pause.
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And he said,
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"Titian, sometimes."
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And it was a good remark,
because it was a joke.
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But it was also a rebuke to me
for being so shallow-minded.
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- Yes, there is a...
- Miss, I love that picture.
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That's what happens when you put
your glasses on.
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You can see all sorts of things.
I can't see because of the reflection.
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- ...war artists, by war artists.
- Oh, look.
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Is that Barbara Hepworth?
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That's... I've seen a great big one
like that at her garden in Cornwall.
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And these sculptures look brilliant
in a garden.
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"Sarah, the naturist..."
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It's good, that.
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Like one of me own family,
they're saying,
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"Go get washed in there, you see."
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So he's gone in and got washed,
and that's the... I would think that...
237
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So you bring your
own experience into pictures,
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and you think...
239
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Right. You imagine how,
why they're there.
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- You do.
- What about this one?
241
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This is a circus.
242
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That's if you've gone
to the circus, which was, um,
243
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quite a thing in them days, wasn't it?
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- Very good, though, you know.
- Very good, yes.
245
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And this picture,
beside this picture.
246
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- What's this one about?
- Well, why...
247
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Why only listen to one, why not
listen to a few...
248
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- people have opinions and whatnot?
- Well, these ladies...
249
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It's all wrong! Well, I don't...
250
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- I don't agree with it at all!
- What do you think of this one?
251
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I won't say now, just keep it
to meself and let them talk.
252
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Well, it isn't right!
253
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- Don't you agree?
- I disagree.
254
00:15:56,490 --> 00:15:58,170
Well, that's what art's about, though,
isn't it?
255
00:15:58,210 --> 00:16:00,090
- We all have a different opinion.
- No, it isn't. It isn't.
256
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Don't you think?
257
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It is, if you're allowed to say.
258
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It's all right if you want to say...
259
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Oh, dear.
260
00:16:08,050 --> 00:16:13,200
Still, I know exactly how she feels,
wishing one had the gift of the gab.
261
00:16:13,290 --> 00:16:15,720
But I wouldn't say anything
about it now.
262
00:16:15,730 --> 00:16:17,610
Well, I'm interested to know
what you think.
263
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I can imagine meself,
got the kids to bed,
264
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- sitting down and having a read.
- A read, yes.
265
00:16:23,090 --> 00:16:25,800
This is probably the most
famous painting in the gallery.
266
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Holman Hunt' s The Shadow of Death,
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in which Mary sees
Jesus' crucifixion prefigured.
268
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There's a larger version of it
in Manchester but this was the original.
269
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It was just about small enough
for Hunt to carry about with him,
270
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as he was constantly
making alterations to it.
271
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It was painted on location in Palestine,
and he went to elaborate lengths
272
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to get the details
and the fittings right.
273
00:16:51,770 --> 00:16:55,650
The body of Christ belonged to one model
and the head to another,
274
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who was actually not at all Christlike,
a notorious villain, in fact.
275
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And on one occasion, Hunt had to
bail him out of the local jail
276
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before he could have a sitting.
277
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It's not at all plain what Jesus
is supposed to be doing,
278
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apart from casting
the appropriate shadow.
279
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I suppose he's meant to be
stretching after a hard day's work,
280
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but it hardly looks like that.
281
00:17:20,050 --> 00:17:22,320
What always used to puzzle me
as a child
282
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was that, apart from the hair
on his head,
283
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Jesus, I mean not merely this Jesus,
any Jesus,
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never had a stitch of hair
anywhere else.
285
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Never a breath of hair
on that always-angular chest.
286
00:17:37,650 --> 00:17:40,440
God seems to have sent
his only begotten son into the world
287
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without any hair under his arms.
288
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This rang a bell with me, though,
because I was a late developer.
289
00:17:48,050 --> 00:17:51,480
And at 15, I was longing for puberty.
290
00:17:51,570 --> 00:17:55,270
And Jesus' pose here is exactly
how I felt,
291
00:17:55,370 --> 00:17:57,960
crucified on the wall bars during PE,
292
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displaying for my much more
hirsute classmates
293
00:18:01,250 --> 00:18:03,320
my still unsullied armpits.
294
00:18:14,490 --> 00:18:16,280
There's a fairy over there.
295
00:18:17,290 --> 00:18:19,850
- And it's a big fairy, isn't it?
- I want to see.
296
00:18:29,210 --> 00:18:31,670
- What is it?
- Um...
297
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Rocks.
298
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Rocks.
299
00:18:39,330 --> 00:18:42,840
They're trying to get
the English out of their country.
300
00:18:42,930 --> 00:18:45,280
They didn't want them there any more.
301
00:18:45,370 --> 00:18:50,280
He was a famous general.
But he was killed.
302
00:18:51,330 --> 00:18:53,970
- He's dead now? By them?
- Hmm.
303
00:18:58,410 --> 00:19:03,040
But if they hadn't done that,
would he have been living longer?
304
00:19:03,130 --> 00:19:04,840
- Probably.
- Hmm.
305
00:19:04,930 --> 00:19:07,600
Well, a bit longer, probably.
Not much longer, I would think.
306
00:19:11,570 --> 00:19:12,600
What should we do now?
307
00:19:14,210 --> 00:19:17,400
Good Lord, this is terrible, isn't it?
What the heck is this?
308
00:19:19,130 --> 00:19:20,560
Oh, Vaughan. Be careful!
309
00:19:20,650 --> 00:19:23,030
- You don't need to...
- I can see what you like...
310
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Can't you?
It's fairly safe, I think, isn't it?
311
00:19:25,250 --> 00:19:27,920
- Here is modern artists.
- Modern art, yeah.
312
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I shan't understand anything
about that at all.
313
00:19:31,410 --> 00:19:32,760
Oh, I see.
314
00:19:32,850 --> 00:19:35,840
This I don't understand at all.
315
00:19:35,930 --> 00:19:38,490
- The hands?
- That's too much for me.
316
00:19:38,570 --> 00:19:40,360
No. Gracious me.
317
00:19:41,250 --> 00:19:44,000
- It's too clever for me.
- Hmm.
318
00:19:44,090 --> 00:19:46,470
What do we find here?
319
00:19:46,570 --> 00:19:49,600
It's all very strange, isn't it?
Very strange stuff.
320
00:19:50,930 --> 00:19:54,680
This is too strange. Don't you think so?
It's much too strange, this?
321
00:19:54,770 --> 00:19:57,920
You wouldn't like that in your room,
would you? Dreadful.
322
00:19:58,010 --> 00:20:00,080
Yeah.
323
00:20:00,170 --> 00:20:04,160
People come into an art gallery
for all sorts of reasons.
324
00:20:04,250 --> 00:20:07,520
Some, it's true, come in
because they like paintings.
325
00:20:07,610 --> 00:20:12,120
But with a lot of people, looking
at pictures comes quite low on the list.
326
00:20:13,490 --> 00:20:16,000
They come in out of the rain.
327
00:20:16,090 --> 00:20:17,720
Or to keep warm.
328
00:20:18,770 --> 00:20:21,080
Take the weight off their feet.
329
00:20:21,970 --> 00:20:25,520
Maybe they're early for a meeting
or they're hoping for a meeting.
330
00:20:25,610 --> 00:20:28,600
They've come to pick somebody up.
331
00:20:28,690 --> 00:20:33,320
All of which are perfectly proper
and legitimate reasons for being here.
332
00:20:33,410 --> 00:20:37,080
An art gallery, after all,
is not unlike a park.
333
00:20:37,170 --> 00:20:41,720
But the hope is, the faith is,
that the art will rub off.
334
00:20:42,890 --> 00:20:45,840
And I believe that,
because that's what's happened to me.
335
00:20:45,930 --> 00:20:47,120
Look at the, um...
336
00:20:47,130 --> 00:20:49,010
You can see the brush
and the tiny little details...
337
00:20:49,010 --> 00:20:53,080
The way that these shadows
and the darks and lights...
338
00:20:53,170 --> 00:20:55,730
You got the light and
then the dark going up...
339
00:20:55,810 --> 00:20:57,680
Makes it all quite real.
340
00:20:57,770 --> 00:20:59,400
Okay.
341
00:20:59,490 --> 00:21:03,270
And again, quite a different one
there above, some type of...
342
00:21:03,370 --> 00:21:06,800
That one looks like a frilly skirt.
It's, like, all frilly.
343
00:21:09,290 --> 00:21:11,320
When I was a boy,
I used to do my homework
344
00:21:11,410 --> 00:21:13,760
in the reference library next door.
345
00:21:14,650 --> 00:21:17,840
And I'd come down here not because
I wanted to look at the pictures
346
00:21:17,930 --> 00:21:19,640
but because I wanted a break.
347
00:21:20,930 --> 00:21:25,920
I got to know the pictures by accident,
by osmosis, almost.
348
00:21:27,050 --> 00:21:28,840
I just absorbed them.
349
00:21:30,530 --> 00:21:33,360
And I can see that it's
from this experience
350
00:21:33,450 --> 00:21:36,200
that I derived my attitude
to television,
351
00:21:37,050 --> 00:21:41,360
believing as I do that a lot of people
switch on at random,
352
00:21:41,450 --> 00:21:45,760
or without any specific idea
of the programme they want to watch.
353
00:21:45,850 --> 00:21:49,840
Just as they come in here at random
and for a variety of reasons.
354
00:21:51,210 --> 00:21:54,910
But given good comedy, good drama,
good documentaries,
355
00:21:56,290 --> 00:22:01,680
they could be diverted and elevated,
just as they can be by good pictures.
356
00:22:01,810 --> 00:22:05,400
- Athena, and the goddess whatever...
- Oh, yes! Yes.
357
00:22:05,490 --> 00:22:08,210
Of course, this isn't
a popular philosophy nowadays,
358
00:22:08,470 --> 00:22:10,450
particularly with the government
think tanks,
359
00:22:10,450 --> 00:22:15,200
or those 14-year-old economic eunuchs
who staff the Adam Smith Institute.
360
00:22:16,450 --> 00:22:18,800
They believe that people are
as single-minded
361
00:22:18,890 --> 00:22:22,080
and driven
by purely material considerations
362
00:22:22,170 --> 00:22:24,280
as they are themselves.
363
00:22:24,370 --> 00:22:27,720
And if a means could be devised
of doing a cost-benefit analysis
364
00:22:27,810 --> 00:22:30,400
of art galleries, then they would.
365
00:22:30,490 --> 00:22:33,480
Now, this is a neutral effect, too...
366
00:22:33,570 --> 00:22:35,600
The marvel is
that galleries in Britain
367
00:22:35,690 --> 00:22:38,760
are still largely free
and in public ownership.
368
00:22:39,690 --> 00:22:42,720
But if a means could be devised
of stealing them from the public
369
00:22:42,810 --> 00:22:45,240
for short-term financial gain,
370
00:22:45,330 --> 00:22:47,670
and transferring them to private hands,
371
00:22:47,890 --> 00:22:49,850
then in the light
of its previous policies,
372
00:22:49,850 --> 00:22:52,760
I can see no reason
why the government hesitates.
373
00:22:53,490 --> 00:22:56,480
It's what's known
as thinking the unthinkable.
374
00:22:58,890 --> 00:23:00,800
- I think it's a tail.
- It's not.
375
00:23:00,890 --> 00:23:03,240
- It is a tail.
- It's not.
376
00:23:10,050 --> 00:23:13,400
But look, you see that?
It comes all the way down here,
377
00:23:13,490 --> 00:23:16,840
and all the way around there,
right up to her bottom.
378
00:23:17,650 --> 00:23:20,080
It's the mermaid's tail.
Do you think it's a fish?
379
00:23:20,170 --> 00:23:21,280
Maybe there, Mum?
380
00:23:21,370 --> 00:23:26,000
- What's happened to the ship?
- I can read this. "Mermaid's Rock."
381
00:23:26,090 --> 00:23:28,650
Come back and see.
What do you think has happened to...?
382
00:23:29,530 --> 00:23:32,440
This is more the French style.
Here we are.
383
00:23:32,530 --> 00:23:35,880
That's not so bad.
Ah, he's an Englishman.
384
00:23:35,970 --> 00:23:38,120
- Wood, I learned...
- Christopher Wood.
385
00:23:38,210 --> 00:23:40,720
I associate him with boats, Wood.
386
00:23:40,810 --> 00:23:44,510
I can't see any boats here.
Is this Christopher Wood again?
387
00:23:45,690 --> 00:23:47,440
No, it's Wallace.
388
00:23:48,170 --> 00:23:52,680
Yeah, now, that...
That looks like Van Gogh, doesn't it?
389
00:23:52,770 --> 00:23:54,480
It don't remind me
about him.
390
00:23:54,570 --> 00:23:56,270
- It's doesn't remind...
- It doesn't remind me.
391
00:23:56,330 --> 00:23:58,710
Oh, it's doesn't matter.
That's all right. I like that one.
392
00:23:58,810 --> 00:24:01,080
- Christopher Wood.
- I like that one, don't you?
393
00:24:02,170 --> 00:24:04,280
That's good to have, isn't it?
394
00:24:05,050 --> 00:24:06,440
I love this.
395
00:24:06,530 --> 00:24:08,080
Yes. What does it mean?
396
00:24:08,170 --> 00:24:11,200
I don't know. It's just as though a kid
has just scribbled it, isn't it?
397
00:24:11,290 --> 00:24:12,800
It's all mad, isn't it?
398
00:24:14,210 --> 00:24:17,520
It's very bright, but I don't think
I could live with it, though.
399
00:24:17,650 --> 00:24:19,760
- Could you?
- No, no, no. No, but...
400
00:24:19,850 --> 00:24:22,840
- It's all right for where it is.
- Yes, yes, it is.
401
00:24:22,930 --> 00:24:24,720
"I don't think I could
live with it"
402
00:24:24,810 --> 00:24:27,600
is, of course, the raincoat principle
in reverse.
403
00:24:28,570 --> 00:24:33,280
"I wouldn't want it at home"
rules out all manner of masterpieces.
404
00:24:33,370 --> 00:24:36,200
The ceiling of the Sistine Chapel,
for a start.
405
00:24:37,050 --> 00:24:39,400
One side of the...
406
00:24:39,410 --> 00:24:42,190
You know, anybody just casual
looking at it would think it's daubed,
407
00:24:42,210 --> 00:24:43,480
but it isn't.
408
00:24:43,570 --> 00:24:48,800
Because all these bits here, those,
and the ridges on them,
409
00:24:48,890 --> 00:24:52,240
you don't put paintbrush in and
just daub it out like that.
410
00:24:52,330 --> 00:24:54,970
You see, look at it. It's clever.
411
00:24:55,050 --> 00:24:57,430
- Oh, it's specially done, isn't it?
- It's good.
412
00:24:57,530 --> 00:25:00,880
I'm thinking I should bring
my granddaughter to see this because
413
00:25:00,970 --> 00:25:03,040
she does paint.
414
00:25:03,130 --> 00:25:06,280
- And she has painted pictures for me.
- Right.
415
00:25:06,370 --> 00:25:09,440
It's completely different, isn't it,
from the ones next door?
416
00:25:09,530 --> 00:25:12,760
- From the others, yes.
- I mean, can we tell what it is?
417
00:25:12,850 --> 00:25:16,360
- It's not really anything, is it?
- No! No, but it's the modern trend.
418
00:25:16,450 --> 00:25:19,680
- Or it can be what we want it to be.
- That's right. Yeah.
419
00:25:19,770 --> 00:25:22,080
Yes, it's good. It's very nice.
420
00:25:22,170 --> 00:25:23,520
What do you think of it?
421
00:25:23,610 --> 00:25:28,200
- Interesting.
- It's modern art and it's very bright.
422
00:25:28,290 --> 00:25:32,480
- Very bright and cheerful, but I...
- They don't beat the other ones.
423
00:25:32,570 --> 00:25:33,790
- Do they? In the other room.
- No.
424
00:25:33,890 --> 00:25:36,160
It's very busy, isn't it?
It's very energetic.
425
00:25:36,250 --> 00:25:37,360
- Yes, yes.
- Oh, yes.
426
00:25:37,450 --> 00:25:38,440
It's very lively.
427
00:25:38,530 --> 00:25:43,000
I bet it's really lovely for modern art.
You know. That is modern art, of course.
428
00:25:43,010 --> 00:25:45,010
But do you like it?
Would you have it on your wall?
429
00:25:45,010 --> 00:25:46,080
- Oh, no.
- No.
430
00:25:46,170 --> 00:25:47,520
- No?
- No!
431
00:25:47,610 --> 00:25:49,040
I would. I'd be...
432
00:25:49,130 --> 00:25:52,440
I think that must be the Sitwell
over there. Surely.
433
00:25:52,530 --> 00:25:54,840
Mustn't it? This woman here.
434
00:25:54,930 --> 00:25:56,880
- What is that?
- Edith Sitwell, is it?
435
00:25:59,450 --> 00:26:02,160
No, I've got it wrong. Some other woman.
436
00:26:02,250 --> 00:26:09,000
"Praxitella. Percy Wyndham Lewis."
He was a very famous artist as well.
437
00:26:09,090 --> 00:26:12,440
- An English? An Englishman?
- Very famous. Very famous. Oh my, oh!
438
00:26:12,530 --> 00:26:15,800
- It's very severe, isn't it?
- Yes, very.
439
00:26:15,890 --> 00:26:18,800
Metallic. Hard. Cruel.
440
00:26:18,890 --> 00:26:21,880
The colours are marvellous,
you know. Really, aren't they?
441
00:26:21,970 --> 00:26:23,920
I think that's smashing.
442
00:26:24,010 --> 00:26:27,600
I like this.
It's the Union Jack, actually.
443
00:26:27,690 --> 00:26:31,080
More or less, yeah. Yeah.
444
00:26:37,210 --> 00:26:38,680
This is modern, isn't it?
445
00:26:39,690 --> 00:26:42,200
I bet it's taken some doing, you know.
446
00:26:42,290 --> 00:26:45,160
All those little objects, they're all...
447
00:26:45,250 --> 00:26:47,280
How would they be stuck on,
do you think?
448
00:26:47,370 --> 00:26:51,760
- Yeah, if the colour... There...
- Which colour is it?
449
00:26:51,850 --> 00:26:52,840
Oh, yeah.
450
00:26:54,370 --> 00:26:56,960
I wouldn't mind a small one of that
in the house,
451
00:26:57,050 --> 00:26:59,170
but I wouldn't have one of those
in the house.
452
00:26:59,210 --> 00:27:01,160
- Just a small one.
- Yes!
453
00:27:01,250 --> 00:27:04,080
- This is a peculiar effort, isn't it?
- Pardon?
454
00:27:04,170 --> 00:27:06,440
I said, this is a peculiar effort.
455
00:27:06,530 --> 00:27:08,880
Is that a vacuum cleaner on the floor?
456
00:27:12,850 --> 00:27:14,280
What's that?
457
00:27:16,330 --> 00:27:17,550
Minnie Mouse?
458
00:27:28,370 --> 00:27:29,960
It's certainly not a rabbit.
459
00:27:30,050 --> 00:27:31,960
- Could be. Could be.
- Could be.
460
00:27:32,050 --> 00:27:34,360
Could be. Very easily.
461
00:27:34,450 --> 00:27:37,560
Yes, yes, it could. A rabbit? Yes, yeah.
462
00:27:37,650 --> 00:27:39,440
Without the fur. Skinned rabbit.
463
00:27:40,570 --> 00:27:42,360
It is very good.
464
00:27:42,450 --> 00:27:44,640
- I think you could be right.
- Yes.
465
00:27:45,890 --> 00:27:48,480
Charles Ginner, yes. He's very good.
466
00:27:48,570 --> 00:27:49,680
- Yeah?
- Yes, I met his...
467
00:27:49,770 --> 00:27:53,600
I met his sister once, this artist.
468
00:27:53,690 --> 00:27:57,080
And she was distinguished
for Greek dancing.
469
00:27:57,170 --> 00:28:00,000
- His sister, yes. I met her.
- Let me see.
470
00:28:01,130 --> 00:28:02,920
- Ruby Ginner.
- Ginner?
471
00:28:03,010 --> 00:28:07,920
Yes. Ruby Ginner. They belonged, I
think, to the Camden Group of painters.
472
00:28:08,010 --> 00:28:09,760
- All these.
- Mmm-hmm.
473
00:28:09,850 --> 00:28:13,920
Spencer Frederick Gore.
All these are the Camden Group.
474
00:28:14,010 --> 00:28:17,400
There was often a tramp in here
in the late '40s,
475
00:28:17,490 --> 00:28:20,400
hanging about the gallery
or slumped over an art book
476
00:28:20,490 --> 00:28:22,400
in the corner of the reference library.
477
00:28:23,730 --> 00:28:28,280
Except that he wasn't a tramp.
He was quite a distinguished painter.
478
00:28:28,370 --> 00:28:30,200
Jacob Kramer.
479
00:28:30,290 --> 00:28:32,360
And this is his bust by Epstein.
480
00:28:34,210 --> 00:28:37,520
Kramer was Jewish.
His family were from the Ukraine,
481
00:28:37,610 --> 00:28:40,480
one of many thousands of Jewish families
who came to Leeds
482
00:28:40,570 --> 00:28:42,800
at the end of the 19th century.
483
00:28:42,890 --> 00:28:46,880
And since then, there's always been
a very strong Jewish community in Leeds.
484
00:28:46,970 --> 00:28:50,800
And out of it came Marks & Spencer's
and Montague Burton's.
485
00:28:52,170 --> 00:28:54,080
As a young man, he was a vorticist,
486
00:28:54,170 --> 00:28:57,120
an associate of Wyndham Lewis
and William Roberts.
487
00:28:58,570 --> 00:29:00,600
I find it hard to say what vorticism is.
488
00:29:00,690 --> 00:29:04,080
I think of it as
the jagged school of painting.
489
00:29:04,690 --> 00:29:06,800
Cubism with an English slant.
490
00:29:07,410 --> 00:29:11,240
But both Kramer's Jewishness
and his vorticism
491
00:29:11,330 --> 00:29:13,520
can be seen in this picture.
492
00:29:13,610 --> 00:29:15,480
The Day of Atonement,
493
00:29:15,570 --> 00:29:20,080
which was unveiled in the art gallery
in 1920
494
00:29:20,170 --> 00:29:22,810
to a storm of anti-Semitic protest.
495
00:29:40,710 --> 00:29:43,030
There was still a lot of
anti-Semitism in Leeds,
496
00:29:43,050 --> 00:29:44,880
even after the Second War.
497
00:29:44,970 --> 00:29:48,520
And I can remember Jewish boys
at my school being regularly bullied.
498
00:29:48,610 --> 00:29:52,760
One boy in particular, Alan Harris,
always coming in for it,
499
00:29:52,850 --> 00:29:55,040
the masters turning a blind eye.
500
00:29:56,250 --> 00:29:59,720
And one master catching him
a terrific slap across the face once.
501
00:30:00,850 --> 00:30:04,480
And then, years later,
when I was in Harrogate,
502
00:30:05,690 --> 00:30:09,440
I came across this master,
now tranquilly retired.
503
00:30:09,530 --> 00:30:11,840
And he came up to me in the tea shop.
504
00:30:11,930 --> 00:30:15,000
And as he came up, I thought, "Oh yes,
you're the one who hit the Jew."
505
00:30:16,090 --> 00:30:19,870
Nowadays, the Asians have replaced
the Jews in the front line,
506
00:30:19,970 --> 00:30:22,840
actually living where the Jews
used to live.
507
00:30:22,930 --> 00:30:26,360
The only difference really being that
nowadays we talk about the prejudice,
508
00:30:26,450 --> 00:30:28,680
whereas in those days
one never mentioned it.
509
00:30:29,970 --> 00:30:32,720
Kramer himself died in 1962,
510
00:30:32,810 --> 00:30:36,690
indistinguishable from a lot of
the tramps who you see outside.
511
00:30:36,770 --> 00:30:39,230
Except that in 1966,
512
00:30:39,330 --> 00:30:42,320
Leeds College of Art
was renamed after him.
513
00:30:42,410 --> 00:30:45,480
So he was more respectable in death
than he ever was in life.
514
00:31:13,450 --> 00:31:17,600
Old people challenge one's
complacent assumptions.
515
00:31:17,690 --> 00:31:21,240
The old ladies are altogether unfazed
by the avant-garde,
516
00:31:21,330 --> 00:31:23,560
much as children are.
517
00:31:23,650 --> 00:31:25,840
Outrage is for middle-age.
518
00:31:26,370 --> 00:31:28,590
The time it must have been taken
just to make that.
519
00:31:28,610 --> 00:31:29,930
To build that.
520
00:31:30,810 --> 00:31:33,080
Very much. Very, very much.
521
00:31:33,890 --> 00:31:34,880
Are we...
522
00:31:34,970 --> 00:31:38,440
Been very clever,
the people that's done it.
523
00:31:39,850 --> 00:31:40,880
Yes.
524
00:31:45,650 --> 00:31:49,960
Now, that is art. Very much art.
525
00:31:50,050 --> 00:31:51,190
Yeah.
526
00:31:53,810 --> 00:31:55,760
That is beautiful, is that.
527
00:32:14,490 --> 00:32:15,600
Beautiful, that.
528
00:32:35,570 --> 00:32:38,440
Anyone who knows Leeds
will find this painting,
529
00:32:38,530 --> 00:32:41,120
Park Row by Atkinson Grimshaw,
530
00:32:41,210 --> 00:32:45,120
almost a documentary record,
this church apart,
531
00:32:45,210 --> 00:32:49,200
of how the street looked
even as late as 1960,
532
00:32:49,290 --> 00:32:52,400
which was when the city fell
to greed and mediocrity.
533
00:32:54,290 --> 00:32:58,600
Some silly people on the right
nowadays wish the '60s hadn't happened,
534
00:32:58,690 --> 00:33:02,040
because that was when people discovered
sex and smoking pot.
535
00:33:03,050 --> 00:33:05,320
If I wish the '60s hadn't happened
536
00:33:05,410 --> 00:33:07,640
it's because that was when
avarice and stupidity
537
00:33:07,730 --> 00:33:10,440
got to the wheel of the bulldozer.
538
00:33:10,530 --> 00:33:13,440
They called it enterprise,
and still do.
539
00:33:13,530 --> 00:33:16,840
But the real enterprise would have been
if someone in 1960
540
00:33:16,930 --> 00:33:19,800
had had the clout and the imagination
to say,
541
00:33:19,890 --> 00:33:22,530
"Let's leave this city much as it is.
542
00:33:22,610 --> 00:33:26,760
"Convert it, perhaps. Re-plumb it.
But nothing else."
543
00:33:26,850 --> 00:33:28,070
If they had,
544
00:33:28,170 --> 00:33:32,240
Leeds, today would have been one of the
architectural showplaces of the Kingdom.
545
00:33:32,330 --> 00:33:37,640
A Victorian Genoa or Florence, on which
many of its buildings were modelled.
546
00:33:37,730 --> 00:33:40,760
Instead, it's much like anywhere else.
547
00:33:42,570 --> 00:33:45,240
Still, one thing
that hasn't changed in Leeds
548
00:33:45,330 --> 00:33:47,920
is the relationship of art and learning.
549
00:33:48,010 --> 00:33:51,000
Next door to the gallery still,
the library.
550
00:33:55,410 --> 00:33:58,240
The clientele
hasn't changed much, either.
551
00:33:59,610 --> 00:34:01,520
I think these are exactly
the same people
552
00:34:01,610 --> 00:34:03,680
who were here 40 years ago.
553
00:34:20,650 --> 00:34:24,430
Apart from Thak, the cartooniston the Yorkshire Evening Post,
554
00:34:24,530 --> 00:34:25,880
the only other artist
555
00:34:25,970 --> 00:34:29,080
whose style I would immediately
have recognised as a boy
556
00:34:29,170 --> 00:34:33,640
was the now long-forgotten illustrator,
Fortunino Matania.
557
00:34:33,730 --> 00:34:37,840
Or F Matania,
as he always signed himself.
558
00:34:37,930 --> 00:34:41,400
His work used to grace the pages
of the now long-defunct
559
00:34:41,490 --> 00:34:43,560
Britannia and Eve.
560
00:34:43,650 --> 00:34:47,120
It was a cross between
The Sphere and The Tatler.
561
00:34:48,690 --> 00:34:52,470
And one would find it in doctors'
and dentists' waiting rooms.
562
00:34:52,570 --> 00:34:54,800
Or in my case,
read while waiting my turn
563
00:34:54,890 --> 00:34:58,040
at Mr Oddy's, the barbers in
Shireoaks Street.
564
00:34:59,570 --> 00:35:02,680
Matania was a historical illustrator
565
00:35:02,770 --> 00:35:05,560
with a particular line
in genteel orgies.
566
00:35:06,690 --> 00:35:09,200
Letting it rip under Alaric the Goth.
567
00:35:10,250 --> 00:35:15,000
The destruction of Pompeii
brought about by heavy petting.
568
00:35:16,490 --> 00:35:19,680
There were lots of thighs
and the occasional breast.
569
00:35:20,530 --> 00:35:24,000
And plenty of floating draperies
and leather thongs.
570
00:35:24,090 --> 00:35:28,640
And poring furtively over them as
I waited for my short back and sides
571
00:35:28,730 --> 00:35:33,090
I found them, aged 11,
immensely exciting.
572
00:35:33,690 --> 00:35:35,970
Of course, it never occurred to me
that this was exactly
573
00:35:35,970 --> 00:35:40,320
what they were meant to seem
and intended to titillate the appetite.
574
00:35:40,410 --> 00:35:43,760
Though from the point of view
of the editors of Brittania and Eve,
575
00:35:43,850 --> 00:35:47,240
the appetites were more those
of jaded club men
576
00:35:47,330 --> 00:35:49,280
and the occasional bishop
577
00:35:49,370 --> 00:35:52,680
whiling away a long afternoon
in the Athenaeum
578
00:35:52,770 --> 00:35:56,920
rather than a small boy
579
00:35:57,010 --> 00:36:00,760
scanning a fifth-hand copy
in a provincial barbershop.
580
00:36:29,330 --> 00:36:32,200
While not quite so ancient
as this photograph,
581
00:36:32,290 --> 00:36:37,080
Leeds as I first remember it
seemed safe, innocent and dull.
582
00:36:37,170 --> 00:36:39,600
It was largely untouched by the war.
583
00:36:39,690 --> 00:36:42,360
Sheffield caught it.
Liverpool caught it.
584
00:36:42,450 --> 00:36:45,760
But Leeds, hardly at all.
Why should it?
585
00:36:45,850 --> 00:36:49,240
The city specialised in the manufacture
of ready-made suits
586
00:36:49,330 --> 00:36:51,840
and the cultivation of rhubarb.
587
00:36:51,930 --> 00:36:54,570
In its conduct to the war,
the German high command
588
00:36:54,650 --> 00:36:56,680
was notoriously quixotic.
589
00:36:56,770 --> 00:37:00,320
But I imagine
a line had to be drawn somewhere.
590
00:37:00,410 --> 00:37:04,680
Thus, in the whole course of the war,
relatively few bombs fell on Leeds.
591
00:37:04,770 --> 00:37:09,160
And these were promptly torn apart
by schoolboys famished for shrapnel.
592
00:37:28,610 --> 00:37:30,800
In London, on the eve of the war,
593
00:37:30,890 --> 00:37:33,880
the precious contents
of the National Gallery were crated up
594
00:37:33,970 --> 00:37:36,680
and taken off
to a slate quarry in Wales,
595
00:37:36,770 --> 00:37:38,440
there to be hidden in caves.
596
00:37:39,410 --> 00:37:43,040
Leeds, lacking metropolitan
masterpieces,
597
00:37:43,130 --> 00:37:47,440
just popped its collection on a tram,
took it a little ride up the York Road
598
00:37:47,530 --> 00:37:50,800
through Holton, along by
the municipal golf course
599
00:37:50,890 --> 00:37:53,200
to Temple Newsam House.
600
00:37:53,290 --> 00:37:55,960
It was a trip I'd done several times
with my grandma.
601
00:37:57,490 --> 00:38:00,050
But the contrast is revealing.
602
00:38:00,130 --> 00:38:04,560
In London, a getaway in the nick of time
to a remote and romantic haven.
603
00:38:04,650 --> 00:38:07,680
In Leeds, a tuppenny-ha'penny
tram ride.
604
00:38:08,730 --> 00:38:12,610
From as early as I can remember,
life, or at any rate, life in Leeds
605
00:38:12,690 --> 00:38:14,640
never quite came up to scratch.
606
00:38:36,330 --> 00:38:38,550
Well, here we are
actually in the Great Hall.
607
00:38:38,590 --> 00:38:41,570
I just wanted to say one word
about the room that we're actually in.
608
00:38:41,570 --> 00:38:45,880
This is actually on the site
of the Great Hall,
609
00:38:45,970 --> 00:38:49,160
which was built by Bordasse in 1500.
610
00:38:49,250 --> 00:38:51,630
But its present appearance
as you see it today
611
00:38:51,730 --> 00:38:56,280
is this marvellous example of
antiquarian taste
612
00:38:56,370 --> 00:39:01,040
of the early 19th century. The romantic
taste of old England, if you like.
613
00:39:01,130 --> 00:39:03,770
This splendid panelling that you see
on the walls.
614
00:39:03,850 --> 00:39:06,880
The ashlar of the walls itself.
615
00:39:06,970 --> 00:39:10,000
And this Jacobean-type ceiling up here.
616
00:39:10,090 --> 00:39:14,470
This is all very, very sort of
symptomatic of the taste of the 1820s,
617
00:39:14,870 --> 00:39:17,150
which is really the date
that we're looking at here.
618
00:39:18,170 --> 00:39:23,480
And we've recently restored this
to its appearance of about the 1820s...
619
00:39:23,570 --> 00:39:26,000
I was conscious,
even as a child,
620
00:39:26,090 --> 00:39:29,970
that I lived in the provinces
and therefore on the sidelines.
621
00:39:30,050 --> 00:39:33,640
Here at Temple Newsam
were kept various historic relics.
622
00:39:33,730 --> 00:39:36,560
A bed in a room
where had slept Lord Darnley,
623
00:39:36,650 --> 00:39:39,290
the murdered husband
of Mary, Queen of Scots.
624
00:39:39,370 --> 00:39:42,480
A hat reputed to be Oliver Cromwell's.
625
00:39:42,570 --> 00:39:46,720
And as a child, I used to come here
quite often to revisit these relics,
626
00:39:46,810 --> 00:39:50,080
gaze at Darnley's bed
and Cromwell's hat
627
00:39:50,170 --> 00:39:54,680
and think that these objects
were here in Leeds, of all places.
628
00:39:54,770 --> 00:39:57,720
So it was possible that this
provincial city,
629
00:39:57,810 --> 00:40:01,720
which seemed so utterly remote
from any life I read about in books,
630
00:40:01,810 --> 00:40:04,370
and which even the war
had scarcely touched,
631
00:40:04,450 --> 00:40:09,360
that Leeds had, once upon a time,
figured in things,
632
00:40:09,450 --> 00:40:12,040
had been brushed
by the wings of history.
633
00:40:13,010 --> 00:40:16,080
Life hadn't always been elsewhere
634
00:40:16,170 --> 00:40:18,630
and here was Darnley's bed to prove it.
635
00:40:18,730 --> 00:40:22,360
He had his wonderful workshop...
Come along!
636
00:40:24,570 --> 00:40:29,040
And lots of creamware here
and other ceramics.
637
00:40:29,050 --> 00:40:31,440
So you couldn't really come back
and look at your stuff.
638
00:40:33,690 --> 00:40:35,520
And there's the...
639
00:40:35,610 --> 00:40:38,520
And then there's a wonderful
single-poster bed here.
640
00:40:39,450 --> 00:40:40,670
Very unusual.
641
00:40:41,570 --> 00:40:45,480
And we come on now
into the Darnley Room.
642
00:40:46,570 --> 00:40:48,800
The so-called Darnley Room.
643
00:40:48,890 --> 00:40:53,600
This wonderful panelled interior
with this wonderful plaster work
644
00:40:53,690 --> 00:40:56,960
in the frieze in the ceiling.
645
00:40:57,050 --> 00:41:02,200
And it would be lovely to think
that this room really actually was made
646
00:41:02,290 --> 00:41:06,200
at the time of Lord Darnley's
occupation of this house,
647
00:41:06,290 --> 00:41:09,200
and was supposedly
the room in which he was born,
648
00:41:09,290 --> 00:41:12,320
but unfortunately, this
is simply not the case.
649
00:41:12,410 --> 00:41:14,280
This is a wonderful 19th century myth.
650
00:41:14,370 --> 00:41:17,800
Mrs Meynell Ingram in the 1890s
almost certainly
651
00:41:17,890 --> 00:41:21,400
had this room panelled and given
its present appearance
652
00:41:21,490 --> 00:41:23,280
and christened it "The Darnley Room".
653
00:41:23,370 --> 00:41:27,000
I think she'd probably been misled
that this was the part of the house
654
00:41:27,090 --> 00:41:30,720
in which the principal apartment
would have been in the 16th century.
655
00:41:30,810 --> 00:41:33,760
But, in fact, this room
did not even exist, unfortunately,
656
00:41:33,850 --> 00:41:35,960
at the time
of Lord Darnley's occupation.
657
00:41:36,050 --> 00:41:39,520
The house ended at that wall over there
and the room beyond.
658
00:41:39,610 --> 00:41:41,120
And, so, this is another example
659
00:41:41,210 --> 00:41:43,720
of this sort of 19th century
sort of myth,
660
00:41:43,810 --> 00:41:47,800
this wonderful making up of stories,
this antiquarianism.
661
00:41:47,890 --> 00:41:50,720
Which, you know, was fun and games
at the time.
662
00:41:50,810 --> 00:41:52,440
Hey ho.
663
00:41:52,530 --> 00:41:57,280
Well, it was a myth that sustained me
as a child, anyway.
664
00:42:08,730 --> 00:42:12,200
The pictures remained in Temple Newsam
till the end of the war.
665
00:42:12,290 --> 00:42:14,400
For "the duration", as it was called,
666
00:42:14,490 --> 00:42:19,240
"the duration" a mysterious term,
both permit and excuse,
667
00:42:19,330 --> 00:42:21,710
a kind of licensed
putting off of things,
668
00:42:21,810 --> 00:42:24,920
the suspension of the normal until,
with peacetime,
669
00:42:25,010 --> 00:42:27,280
life returned to its old ways.
670
00:42:30,650 --> 00:42:33,160
It's a cliché that war advances science,
671
00:42:33,250 --> 00:42:35,480
but of course
it also encourages the arts.
672
00:42:35,570 --> 00:42:39,350
Never were the theatres or the cinemas
so full as during the war.
673
00:42:39,450 --> 00:42:42,560
And of course, the churches
and the art galleries, too.
674
00:42:42,650 --> 00:42:46,800
Philip Hendy, who was the director
of the gallery here during the war
675
00:42:46,890 --> 00:42:50,360
organised a series of exhibitions
by modern British artists.
676
00:42:50,450 --> 00:42:55,000
John Piper, Stanley Spencer,
Barbara Hepworth, Henry Moore.
677
00:42:55,090 --> 00:42:57,240
And they attracted huge crowds,
678
00:42:57,330 --> 00:43:01,560
far more than they probably
would have done during easier times.
679
00:43:01,650 --> 00:43:04,210
Peace, which in theory
ought to foster the arts,
680
00:43:04,290 --> 00:43:06,750
actually brings out complacency.
681
00:43:06,850 --> 00:43:11,360
Leeds had been very enthusiastic
about Henry Moore's work during the war
682
00:43:11,450 --> 00:43:16,080
but when, in 1951, they actually bought
one of his reclining figures,
683
00:43:16,170 --> 00:43:18,320
the Philistines came out in force.
684
00:43:26,370 --> 00:43:29,240
Back in the gallery,
they're busy preparing an exhibition
685
00:43:29,330 --> 00:43:33,160
on one of the sons of Leeds
and a hero of modern art,
686
00:43:33,250 --> 00:43:35,480
the critic Herbert Reed.
687
00:43:44,690 --> 00:43:46,600
We can make
provisional arrangements.
688
00:43:46,690 --> 00:43:48,080
Here's the piece at the back.
689
00:43:48,170 --> 00:43:50,440
- No, that's it.
- Is it?
690
00:43:50,530 --> 00:43:52,990
Because it's got
the circle with the cross on it.
691
00:43:53,090 --> 00:43:55,040
No, no, no. This is the piece.
This piece.
692
00:43:55,130 --> 00:43:57,770
We'll put this one first
and this one there.
693
00:44:17,090 --> 00:44:20,640
We're here to celebrate
a great Yorkshireman,
694
00:44:20,730 --> 00:44:23,600
a multi-talented man,
and a great educator,
695
00:44:23,690 --> 00:44:27,570
who did many things, but one of them
was to pull the thinking
696
00:44:27,650 --> 00:44:30,720
of a country about its arts
from one century into another.
697
00:44:30,810 --> 00:44:32,720
And he did it almost single-handedly.
698
00:44:37,010 --> 00:44:38,480
And his sense of propagating art,
699
00:44:38,490 --> 00:44:41,080
of spreading it and giving it
to as many people as possible
700
00:44:41,170 --> 00:44:45,080
has been one of the big triumphs,
you can call it, of this century.
701
00:44:47,370 --> 00:44:50,440
This is a jolly occasion,
but I can't help feeling
702
00:44:50,530 --> 00:44:55,730
that defending and explaining modern art
made Reed's, in some ways, a sad life.
703
00:44:58,610 --> 00:45:02,960
- I like that one the best.
- There, yes.
704
00:45:03,970 --> 00:45:05,080
I wish I owned that.
705
00:45:14,370 --> 00:45:18,640
Few artists will thank you for
explaining or justifying their work.
706
00:45:18,730 --> 00:45:22,560
They think it justifies itself,
or else they wouldn't have done it.
707
00:45:22,650 --> 00:45:26,320
But then I think Reed knew that, too,
and persisted.
708
00:45:26,410 --> 00:45:28,320
And that's what makes him a hero.
709
00:45:33,370 --> 00:45:35,880
And here's my artist, Tom Wood,
710
00:45:35,970 --> 00:45:39,920
who says that the portrait is finished
and about to go on view
711
00:45:40,010 --> 00:45:43,080
But not here in Leeds, of course.
In London.
712
00:46:52,690 --> 00:46:55,000
The gamble, of course, in all this
713
00:46:55,090 --> 00:46:58,870
is whether one is actually
going to make it to posterity.
714
00:46:58,970 --> 00:47:02,960
Meanwhile, it's away and down,
I suspect, to the cellar,
715
00:47:03,050 --> 00:47:05,690
where one will wait
in the far-from-certain hope
716
00:47:05,770 --> 00:47:07,560
of pictorial resurrection.
717
00:47:15,370 --> 00:47:17,200
I have a portrait of myself already,
718
00:47:17,290 --> 00:47:22,410
which I did in... I suppose 1955,
when I was at university.
719
00:47:22,490 --> 00:47:25,000
I did several around that time
720
00:47:25,090 --> 00:47:27,730
and I found that the only thing
I could paint was myself,
721
00:47:27,810 --> 00:47:29,600
so I stopped trying to paint.
722
00:47:30,570 --> 00:47:36,480
However, last year I was in Arezzo
having tea in quite a posh tea shop.
723
00:47:37,410 --> 00:47:40,200
And at another table
were some Englishwomen.
724
00:47:41,050 --> 00:47:42,720
And one of them came over to me.
725
00:47:43,850 --> 00:47:45,840
And she said,
726
00:47:45,930 --> 00:47:48,360
"I would like to thank you..."
727
00:47:48,450 --> 00:47:52,600
and my face fell into a look
of accommodating niceness.
728
00:47:52,690 --> 00:47:56,040
"I would like to thank you
for all the pleasure
729
00:47:56,130 --> 00:47:58,320
"your paintings have given me."
730
00:47:59,410 --> 00:48:03,880
And, I didn't let on. I said thank you
731
00:48:03,970 --> 00:48:07,320
and she went away, and I think
she was going to the loo.
732
00:48:07,410 --> 00:48:12,720
And everything would've been all right,
but en route she told the proprietress
733
00:48:12,810 --> 00:48:15,920
who she thought was in the café.
734
00:48:16,910 --> 00:48:18,510
And the next thing that happens is
735
00:48:18,530 --> 00:48:22,720
the proprietress is bearing down on me
with a large black book.
736
00:48:22,810 --> 00:48:25,480
And she thanks me for
737
00:48:25,570 --> 00:48:28,960
all the contributions I'd made
to operatic design
738
00:48:29,050 --> 00:48:33,320
and would I sign with all the other
operatic notables?
739
00:48:33,410 --> 00:48:35,000
So...
740
00:48:36,610 --> 00:48:39,250
I just did a little drawing of myself,
741
00:48:40,370 --> 00:48:43,080
not unlike the self-portrait...
742
00:48:50,770 --> 00:48:54,520
...and signed it David Hockney.
743
00:48:54,610 --> 00:48:58,470
At which, not surprisingly,
she was very pleased,
744
00:48:58,650 --> 00:49:00,550
and went away with the book
thinking that
745
00:49:00,570 --> 00:49:02,920
she was several thousand pounds
the richer.
746
00:49:04,010 --> 00:49:08,280
♪ Pedro the fisherman
was always whistling
747
00:49:08,370 --> 00:49:12,560
♪ Such a merry call
748
00:49:12,650 --> 00:49:16,880
♪ Girls who were passing by
would hear him whistling
749
00:49:16,970 --> 00:49:21,200
♪ By the harbour wall
750
00:49:21,290 --> 00:49:25,520
♪ But his sweetheart Nina
who loved him true, always new
751
00:49:25,610 --> 00:49:29,880
♪ That his song belonged to her alone
752
00:49:29,970 --> 00:49:34,200
♪ And in the evening
when the lights were gleaming
753
00:49:34,290 --> 00:49:38,480
♪ And they had to part
754
00:49:38,570 --> 00:49:42,720
♪ As he sailed his boat away,
echoing across the bay
755
00:49:42,810 --> 00:49:46,080
♪ Came the tune
that lingered in her heart ♪
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