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You know,this is Hannibal.
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This is a very mysterious town.
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It was, like, just
part of the conversation.
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It's like, yeah,
people die around here.
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If you wanted to kill
somebody, come to Hannibal.
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Brian, happy birthday.
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♪ Happy birthday to you ♪
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This girlsaid that she was grabbed
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and passed around to these guys.
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This man, he had, like,
tight up, naked to a pole
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and did bad things
to these girls.
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These people are sick.
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She was a second person
who told me information
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that they really thought
Christina was dead.
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All right. It's on, little man.
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A lotof people said things like,
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"She got what she deserved."
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People are just too afraid
to come forward.
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Yes. It is understood,
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but what's also understood
is just how far these people
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would go to continue
their lifestyle.
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If there's not a body
there's not a crime, really.
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- What are you doing, buddy?
- I'm showing them now.
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Okay, here it is.
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Oh,
check that out. Oh, my God.
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Like, don't point it.
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I would definitely not.
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She's a shooter.
She shots, she shot, right?
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Yeah. And Grandma has a .9 mm.
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Both got pink guns.
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She gets a gift
from her mamma every...
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Every year.
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Just put that back in there.
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Let's put it away.
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Tell her
what this is, Alexandria,
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where you got this at.
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Alexandria, Christina.
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It was
Christina's pink hat here.
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Oh, so it's the same hat?
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Mmm-hmm. It's the
same little hat they had on.
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- Yeah.
- Christina loved this hat.
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What are you doing,
Christina,
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on Mother's Day this day?
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Watching TV, relaxing,
I don't gotta work today!
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And then...
Here is my mommy and me.
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Happy Mother's Dayto you.
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Happy Mother's Day, Christina.
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It's been nine years
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that I've been on
Christina Whittaker's case.
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Nine years.
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It's surreal that it's been
this long for me personally.
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I feel like we'll get
a long breaks
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in the case where there's
nothing happening
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and I kinda sort
of get back to my life.
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When I met Cindy,
she told me that people
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would help,
and then they'd, you know,
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get bored or realize that is
too much and they'd leave.
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And they'd abandon
the case and her.
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And I promised that
I wouldn't do that.
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Are you
counting your eggs
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- before they're hatched?
- Yep.
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It's easyto get lost in the details
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of the case and forget
what it's really all about.
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Christina Whittaker
is someone's mom.
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She's a daughter
and she's a friend.
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Christina deserves to be found,
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and that's the point
of all this.
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To find Christina.
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There have been a lot of stories
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and leads thrown at me
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over these years,
but I'm trying to focus
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on things
that I can prove or disprove.
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You know, Darcy Morris
has always been
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the number one suspect.
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But he's not the only person
that I hear about.
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Being around Hannibal,
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there's actually a bunch of
names that get thrown around.
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It's a small town,
there's a lot of rumors.
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But there is one name
that keeps coming up
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and coming up and coming up.
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It is a man
named Glen Ledbetter.
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Glen Ledbetteris a registered sex offender
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living in Hannibal.
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According to law
enforcement officials,
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he's considered a person
of interest
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in the disappearance of a man
named Dale Yarbrough
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who went missing
from the area in 1999.
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I've been told
by multiple sources
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that Christina is buried
on his property.
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People in town
are describing Glen Ledbetter
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as a really dangerous
individual,
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and according to investigators,
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Glen Ledbetter is also a part
of a criminal organization
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in Hannibal
that goes back centuries.
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For nearly 150 years,
this little river town
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has been a home based
for organized crime families.
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According to law enforcement,
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many of these clans have ties
to Romani immigrants
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who came to Missouri
from Eastern Europe
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to escape centuries
of prosecution and slavery.
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In the Hannibal area,
most Romani identify
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with the sub-group
known as the Romanichal.
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The Romanichal, commonly known
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by the derogatory term "Gypsy",
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lived by an unwritten code,
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speak their own language,
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do everything they can
to preserve their traditions
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and frown on associations
with outsiders.
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But investigators say
there are individuals
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within this close-knit group
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who command criminal
enterprises.
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Everything from simple fraud
to narcotics trafficking.
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While Hannibal's crime families
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may not be as notorious
as the Italian mafia,
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the cops say they're
every bit as ruthless.
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Hometown hero, Mark Twain,
wrote about the early days
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of the Hannibal crime
families way back in 1870.
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In an article called
"Political Economy,"
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Twain detailed
an encounter with con men
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selling fake lightning rods.
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Today, most of the Romanichal
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have fully assimilated
into the community,
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but many clans continue
to run fraud scams
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from coast to coast.
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A favorite is posing
as paving contractors
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to con homeowners
out of thousands.
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The scam is so common,
the locals refer
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to the families
as the Asphalters.
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Now the question becomes:
what is the connection
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between Glen Ledbetter
and Christina?
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To try and figure that out,
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I realized that I need
investigative help
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from professionals
who have experience
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working in Hannibal
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and understand the town
and these crime families.
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I came out here in 2005
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as the FBI assistant special
agent in charge.
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It's not just
about the disappearance
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of Christina Whittaker,
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but it's also about the
environment in Hannibal.
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There is organized crime,
criminal activity,
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drug trafficking,
and there's a certain group
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of people who, uh,
control the city.
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You don't know who to trust,
and that's a big challenge.
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Having Stevejoin my team is amazing.
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But he also
recruited Gina Bradshaw,
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who has worked in Missouri
law enforcement
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for over 25 years,
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including at the county's
Sheriff's Department
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that works with Hannibal.
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And Marita Malone,
who spent years investigating
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Romanichal crime families
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during her decades
long career at the FBI.
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Ferrin Elzea was actually
giving this tip
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that Christina
may have been buried
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either on or near Glenny
Ledbetter's property.
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Glen Ledbetter,
he was a top man.
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- He was. Senior was.
- And of all the Asphalters.
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But then, if I recall,
his son tried to, you know,
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- kind of takeover, didn't he?
- Yeah.
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If I recall. So this would be
the one you're talking about.
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Yeah.
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There was a hierarchy,
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but the Ledbetters
were right up there.
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- Oh, very much so.
- Yeah.
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Very high up there
'cause there was a lot
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of money there with Senior.
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When I bring up,
you know, his name,
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"Oh, he's dangerous."
"Oh, don't mess with him."
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I've been told,
um, that they, like, um,
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sexually exploit girls.
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- Oh, yes.
- There's, like, maybe these sex videos
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- that are made and, um...
- Yeah, yeah.
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- Really?
- Without a doubt.
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Yeah.
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- This is based in Hannibal?
- Yes.
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And this wasn't on your radar
in the beginning, right?
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No.
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Ferrin even said it in one
of these phone calls that,
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"Yeah, that Dale Yarbrough
is buried around here too."
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Let's just say somehow
they were involved
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with Christina, too,
like people are saying.
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Dale Yarbrough
was our case.
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Marion County case.
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We know that Dale Yarbrough
went missing
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from his family farm
on September 16th, 1998.
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And that's all that we know
for a fact happened.
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When you say
that there were specific people
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that know what happened to him,
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were you talking about,
like, these guys,
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the Asphalters, right?
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'Cause he was an Asphalter.
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He was a hired man,and what they think happened
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is that he saw something
he shouldn't have seen
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or knew something
he shouldn't have known,
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and they got rid of him.
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Did you ever
have enough to wanna
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maybe get a warrant
to search property?
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Oh, yes. Our biggest problem
was loose lips.
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Mmm-hmm.
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What does that mean?
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- Um...
- Leaks?
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Leaks.
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Would that involve law
enforcement, like, in general?
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Would it be specific
to Hannibal PD?
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Yeah, everybody.
Yeah.
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'Cause they're all...
They all grew up together.
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These guys all went
to school together.
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These guys play sports together.
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These guys
are friends or family.
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My concern
is there's a reason
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why they're
looking the other way.
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I guess I'm just nervous,
you know? Who do I talk to?
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You're talking about who
to trust and who not to trust?
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- Yeah.
- Be very, very, very careful
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when there's Asphalters there.
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I mean, be very,
very, very careful.
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Yeah.
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I would not...
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I feel like I'm
followed when I'm in town.
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- There's been a number of
times... - You are. I'm sure you are.
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These guys are
really, you know, dangerous.
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It's funnybecause I've been in Hannibal
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for years now,
and it's not like people
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are just bringing up
the Asphalters to me.
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But once I found out
about them from investigators
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and started asking around,
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everyone I talk to
seems terrified of them,
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you know?
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Like they have some sort
of hold over Hannibal
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where everybody just gets
really hush-hush, you know?
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Like, they know exactly
what you're talking about
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and they don't wanna speak
about it.
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Now, Gina Bradshaw,
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she's put a lot
of the Asphalters in jail
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over the years,
so there's bad blood.
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But she's also cultivated
some relationships
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with these guys,
and she's being told
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that within the Asphalter
community it's an open secret
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what happened
to Christina Whittaker.
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You know a girl that was
there when Christina Whittaker
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was murdered?
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And would she talk
to you about this?
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Yes.
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What's her name?
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You started to say it, though.
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I understand, okay.
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Oh, my gosh.
She was with baby ears?
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With Glenny Ledbetter?
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What do you mean?
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So they were gonna try
to get her too? Kill her too?
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Okay. Is, is, is Christina
in... Hannibal area?
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Okay.
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Are you worry, though,
that they'll come back on you
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and kill you?
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Okay.
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This callhas ended. Goodbye.
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What?
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See, I wasn'tborn and raised here,
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and not very many officers
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down there
were born and raised here.
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Most of them
come from the outside.
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And when I was going to college
in Kirksville or Truman University,
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my landlord said,
"You don't wanna work there."
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- And I said...
- What, in Hannibal?
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- Yeah. 'Cause I told them I was moving, I got a job.
- Really?
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"Where are you working?"
I said, "Hannibal,"
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he goes, "Man, you
don't wanna do that."
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He says, "Don't go work there."
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And why is this
reasoning? What did he say?
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He was trying to say
that the cops are crooked.
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That stuff came about Hannibal.
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Everybody say, "Oh, big towns
is where all the action is."
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I'm telling you right now,
these little towns like this
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got more going on in them
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than you'll find
in any big city.
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Yeah.
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Oh, yeah.
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There's no doubt years
and years ago,
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probably before I came here,
that there was probably a...
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...pretty good intermingling
of the police
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and that group of people.
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When I come on, I seen that,
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and I never cut an
Asphalter break in my life.
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And anybody
that worked for me knew that.
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What happened?
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I don't know how much
of this you're gonna air
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'cause it's gonna get ugly.
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Well, we need to stay.
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'Cause I gotta be careful
what I say
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'cause I've still got a lot
of friends down there, but,
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but, uh, we had officers
that were good friends
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within that
Asphalters community.
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And the bad thing about it is,
now, there's...
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You got those certain
last names in town,
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and there's family members
that are fantastic people.
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They're great people, but they
can't shake that name here.
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They're cursed
with that name here
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because everybody knows,
they get them,
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so they gotta actually probably
prove themselves to the locals
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to get, you know, where
they're trusted or they...
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- That they're clean or legit.
- Yeah, that they're legit.
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You gotta remember
that these Asphalters,
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they're good at deception
and they'll give you something
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just to throw you
100 miles off the path.
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And the bad thing about
is you gotta pound every one
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of them leads out.
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Cindy doesn't wanna
hear it if it's lead
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that comes
in that puts her as deceased.
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And I've been having those.
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So, I mean, Cindy doesn't
even know I'm here.
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She doesn't
want me talking to people here.
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Well, 'cause you're gonna...
Tell you something about her.
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Yeah, what?
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She don't want you knowing,
I would imagine...
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- Yeah.
- ...about her family.
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'Cause the Elzeas were
big Asphalters, yeah.
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I mean, you know,
you're dealing with some
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of the most dangerous people
Hannibal's got to offer.
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Hey, Cindy.
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Hey, honey.
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I wanted
to ask you something
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based on some things
that I'm hearing.
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Do you think that your
maiden name, Elzea,
325
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or even having
the name Whittaker
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could be affecting the response
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to Christina's case in any way?
328
00:17:25,210 --> 00:17:27,145
- Hey, Ron.- Yeah?
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There was this guy,
he just looked like
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he was following us.
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Like, he came... He pulled up
behind us in the parking lot,
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and we pulled over to the side
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and he did, like, a U-turn,
but he was, like,
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looking at us,
and then he saw me look at him
335
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and he looked down at his phone,
336
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like he was doing something
and then drove off.
337
00:17:49,201 --> 00:17:51,102
I don't know. He... I saw him.
338
00:17:54,206 --> 00:17:55,673
That was really weird.
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00:17:55,707 --> 00:17:58,443
It was just... I don't know,
like, when you're in this town
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you start feeling
like everyone's following you.
341
00:18:00,746 --> 00:18:02,346
But that was weird. That...
342
00:18:02,381 --> 00:18:04,615
But this person's doing
basically the same thing.
343
00:18:04,650 --> 00:18:05,783
That kinda looks like...
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No, it's a woman.
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00:18:07,719 --> 00:18:09,754
If he was coming to watch us,
he would either pull
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into that parking lot
over there to the right
347
00:18:11,757 --> 00:18:13,424
or he would position himself
348
00:18:13,459 --> 00:18:17,128
somewhere over there
to wait for us to leave.
349
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- Or we're just paranoid.
- Or we're just paranoid.
350
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This... There are a lot
of people coming in here.
351
00:18:22,101 --> 00:18:25,069
Yeah. This is what this
town does to me.
352
00:18:25,104 --> 00:18:28,306
I literally feel like
everybody is out to get us.
353
00:18:40,285 --> 00:18:43,521
So, apparently, HPD gave Cindy
a timeline of leads
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they looked into
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because she called them
to tell them
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00:18:46,458 --> 00:18:48,960
that they're not taking
the case seriously.
357
00:18:48,994 --> 00:18:52,363
It's only one page.
There's a couple vague leads
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00:18:52,397 --> 00:18:53,898
of things that they looked into.
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00:18:53,932 --> 00:18:55,266
No descriptions.
360
00:18:55,300 --> 00:18:57,902
And it says in 2015,
Hannibal Police
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00:18:57,936 --> 00:19:01,405
were giving a tip to look
into Ledbetter's property,
362
00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:03,674
but, apparently, Ledbetter
denied them access
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00:19:03,709 --> 00:19:04,942
to search his land,
364
00:19:04,977 --> 00:19:07,178
and it doesn't look like
they took it any further.
365
00:19:08,380 --> 00:19:10,014
Now, even though HPD
couldn't get
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on Ledbetter's property,
I figured out
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00:19:13,118 --> 00:19:16,487
that he doesn't own the woods
behind his property.
368
00:19:16,522 --> 00:19:19,957
So, there's two pieces of land
that are connected to Glen.
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00:19:19,992 --> 00:19:23,594
One of them is this,
uh, land that's over here
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00:19:23,629 --> 00:19:25,930
which there's
a close-up over here.
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00:19:25,964 --> 00:19:28,799
This is all woods owned
by a private business.
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On this side of the creek,
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this is where Glenny
has property.
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00:19:35,841 --> 00:19:38,509
His other property
has no access to it,
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00:19:38,544 --> 00:19:40,178
so this is our best bet.
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00:19:40,212 --> 00:19:42,780
So, I got one of my sources
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00:19:42,814 --> 00:19:45,683
to hook me up with a local
named Darin Logue,
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00:19:45,717 --> 00:19:48,085
who used to work
for the Sheriff's Department.
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00:19:48,120 --> 00:19:50,855
That area back there,
how far back does he own?
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00:19:50,889 --> 00:19:52,957
He's offeringto use his connections
381
00:19:52,991 --> 00:19:56,160
to get us access to the woods
next to Glen Ledbetter's place
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00:19:56,195 --> 00:19:58,496
so we can search
for Christina's remains.
383
00:19:58,530 --> 00:20:01,132
Darin used to work
as a deputy under Gina
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00:20:01,166 --> 00:20:04,402
at the Sheriff's Department,
so I feel like I can trust him.
385
00:20:04,436 --> 00:20:07,004
We're gonna drive by our
search area to make sure
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00:20:07,039 --> 00:20:10,208
that it falls within the
property line of Darin's contact.
387
00:20:13,178 --> 00:20:15,146
Here, why don't you hop in...
Yeah, hop in with us.
388
00:20:22,988 --> 00:20:26,257
So right here,
this entire wooded area...
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00:20:26,291 --> 00:20:28,025
I don't wanna
walk right up to the spot
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00:20:28,060 --> 00:20:29,327
that he had pointed out to me.
391
00:20:29,361 --> 00:20:32,763
Yeah. It's, like,
literally just right in here.
392
00:20:32,798 --> 00:20:34,198
No, you're fine.
That's...
393
00:20:34,233 --> 00:20:35,466
This is all,
like, it's back here.
394
00:20:35,500 --> 00:20:37,935
It's fine.
Yeah, you're fine.
395
00:20:37,970 --> 00:20:40,805
Okay. Let me take
you back to your car.
396
00:20:40,839 --> 00:20:41,872
Yeah.
397
00:20:46,178 --> 00:20:48,312
There seems
to be a lot of people in town
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00:20:48,347 --> 00:20:50,414
that sort of like,
"You need to be careful."
399
00:20:50,449 --> 00:20:51,983
There's actual fear for people.
400
00:20:52,017 --> 00:20:53,618
"I don't wanna be involved.
I don't wanna be involved."
401
00:20:53,652 --> 00:20:58,422
You don't know who's watching or who
knows who or who's gonna call who or...
402
00:20:58,457 --> 00:21:01,926
Um, here, shut your camera off
for a second.
403
00:22:09,594 --> 00:22:11,462
- All right. Yeah, thanks.
- Thank you so much.
404
00:22:27,245 --> 00:22:29,213
I decidedto just go for it
405
00:22:29,247 --> 00:22:33,017
and bring in Jan Meyer
who's a search dog handler
406
00:22:33,051 --> 00:22:36,854
to see if her dog
detects human remains.
407
00:22:36,888 --> 00:22:39,256
If it does, it would be
enough for me to go
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00:22:39,291 --> 00:22:41,325
to Hannibal Police
to investigate further.
409
00:22:43,428 --> 00:22:45,162
Tessa, come here.
410
00:22:46,798 --> 00:22:48,799
Her job is
to tell me if there's odor.
411
00:22:50,769 --> 00:22:51,602
Mmm-hmm.
412
00:22:52,804 --> 00:22:55,906
Bad guys don't dig real deep
holes unless they have
413
00:22:55,941 --> 00:22:58,008
- a packer or something.
- Yeah.
414
00:22:58,043 --> 00:23:01,846
But the other problem
is in an area this large,
415
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:04,148
what we do is try to narrow it.
416
00:23:04,182 --> 00:23:05,149
Mmm-hmm.
417
00:23:05,183 --> 00:23:08,352
After this many years,
it is gonna be
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00:23:08,387 --> 00:23:10,721
kind of like
a needle in a haystack.
419
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:03,441
- Okay, right here.
- Yeah.
420
00:24:04,976 --> 00:24:08,879
If you bury something
or some, something,
421
00:24:08,914 --> 00:24:12,917
there's usually
a divot after a year or two,
422
00:24:12,951 --> 00:24:14,752
and rather than a mound.
423
00:24:14,786 --> 00:24:17,121
So if they'll just hit it
with a few holes,
424
00:24:18,089 --> 00:24:19,590
that opens up in your way.
425
00:24:32,671 --> 00:24:33,871
Oh, I'm nervous now.
426
00:24:36,174 --> 00:24:37,241
They were back here.
427
00:24:39,377 --> 00:24:41,178
That dog hit.
428
00:24:41,213 --> 00:24:43,547
She said it almost like 100%,
but she's like,
429
00:24:43,582 --> 00:24:45,883
it doesn't mean that it's there
430
00:24:45,951 --> 00:24:48,052
'cause the dog
is trained to get odor.
431
00:24:48,086 --> 00:24:50,421
Like, to signal
that she smells the odor,
432
00:24:50,455 --> 00:24:52,857
and it's the handler's job
to figure out where it is.
433
00:24:52,891 --> 00:24:54,158
We gotta get out of here.
434
00:24:59,231 --> 00:25:00,598
We got company.
435
00:25:37,335 --> 00:25:39,169
He saidthat Glenny Ledbetter
436
00:25:39,203 --> 00:25:41,639
owns this side of the creek
and the other side of the creek.
437
00:25:41,673 --> 00:25:43,741
I'm like, "I was told
that this land was public."
438
00:25:43,775 --> 00:25:45,309
He said, "No." He's like,
439
00:25:45,343 --> 00:25:46,610
"Well, I don't know what you guys
are doing, you're scaring my dogs."
440
00:25:46,645 --> 00:25:48,879
So I'm like, "I don't mean
to scare your dog," you know?
441
00:25:48,914 --> 00:25:50,414
"We're going."
442
00:25:50,448 --> 00:25:53,017
Yeah? This is the area?
443
00:25:55,754 --> 00:25:56,687
Okay.
444
00:26:09,334 --> 00:26:11,769
Would it be worth... I
was trying to get the police down
445
00:26:11,803 --> 00:26:14,004
and a couple of other dogs,
like, another day.
446
00:26:14,039 --> 00:26:15,673
Tomorrow or something
to actually...
447
00:26:15,707 --> 00:26:17,207
Because if these people see us
poking around
448
00:26:17,242 --> 00:26:18,976
and they have something buried
there...
449
00:26:19,010 --> 00:26:20,678
If they're willing
to do that,
450
00:26:20,712 --> 00:26:23,781
I would get somebody come
with me and bring another dog.
451
00:26:23,815 --> 00:26:24,848
Okay.
452
00:26:41,066 --> 00:26:42,700
Jan is
with Grote right now,
453
00:26:42,734 --> 00:26:45,302
who is a detective
in charge of the case.
454
00:26:45,337 --> 00:26:47,938
So Jan went to debrief them
about what we found
455
00:26:47,973 --> 00:26:50,441
and, hopefully, try
to organize an actual search.
456
00:26:50,475 --> 00:26:53,043
Um, but apparently Grote
wants to talk to me.
457
00:26:54,346 --> 00:26:56,847
This isthe first time in nine years
458
00:26:56,881 --> 00:26:59,650
somebody from Hannibal Police
has agreed to meet with me
459
00:26:59,684 --> 00:27:00,784
about this case.
460
00:27:02,053 --> 00:27:03,354
Are you gonna wear that?
461
00:27:03,388 --> 00:27:04,588
Yeah.
I might be able to.
462
00:27:04,623 --> 00:27:07,124
I'm not gonna be able
to record unless we're...
463
00:27:07,158 --> 00:27:09,960
- Right up front.
- Yeah. I think it's more...
464
00:27:09,995 --> 00:27:11,762
- It's pretty dangerous.
- Okay.
465
00:27:46,498 --> 00:27:51,001
Okay, so the detective who's
in charge of Christina's case,
466
00:27:51,036 --> 00:27:53,937
Jennifer Grote sat down
with Jan and I
467
00:27:53,972 --> 00:27:55,439
about what happened today.
468
00:27:55,473 --> 00:27:57,708
So what we were saying
is that, like,
469
00:27:57,742 --> 00:27:59,777
"We wanted to let you know
that we got this hit,"
470
00:27:59,811 --> 00:28:04,948
but our next step would be
to bring in another dog or two
471
00:28:04,983 --> 00:28:07,251
"and just see if there's
another hit." You know?
472
00:28:07,285 --> 00:28:09,453
She's like, "I want to do this."
473
00:28:09,487 --> 00:28:10,788
Like, "Let's do it."
474
00:28:10,822 --> 00:28:12,523
But that seemed pretty
freaking awesome.
475
00:28:25,737 --> 00:28:28,405
Thank you
for coming up so much.
476
00:28:28,439 --> 00:28:30,774
You had a problem
with a four-wheeler yesterday?
477
00:28:30,809 --> 00:28:32,943
There was
just a guy on an ATV,
478
00:28:32,977 --> 00:28:35,379
and he was just saying,
"What are you doing?
479
00:28:35,413 --> 00:28:36,647
This is private property."
480
00:28:36,681 --> 00:28:38,749
And I was like,
"Well, who owns..."
481
00:28:38,783 --> 00:28:41,051
He said,
"Oh, this is Glenny's land.
482
00:28:41,086 --> 00:28:42,219
And I said, "Oh, I'm sorry."
483
00:28:42,253 --> 00:28:43,754
I must've gotten
bad information.
484
00:28:43,788 --> 00:28:45,289
I didn't think
Glenny owned this.
485
00:28:45,323 --> 00:28:46,957
- I thought he was on the other side of the creek."
- He does not own this.
486
00:28:46,991 --> 00:28:49,326
Yeah, so that... 'Cause
that's what we were told.
487
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:52,963
And I was like...
Kinda, like, walked away.
488
00:29:04,075 --> 00:29:05,843
This dog handler, Kyle,
489
00:29:05,877 --> 00:29:09,012
he's, like, the best
of the best with forensics
490
00:29:09,047 --> 00:29:11,381
and, you know,
cadaver dog searching.
491
00:29:14,419 --> 00:29:16,320
I mean, it's pretty amazing
what the dogs
492
00:29:16,354 --> 00:29:18,122
can sense and smell and...
493
00:29:18,156 --> 00:29:20,324
They said that they weren't
gonna need a lot of time.
494
00:29:31,836 --> 00:29:32,970
It'll alert.
495
00:29:33,004 --> 00:29:34,204
If they can pick up the scent
496
00:29:34,239 --> 00:29:36,039
of human remains, it'll bark.
497
00:29:38,209 --> 00:29:40,778
We're pretty much standing
on the spot
498
00:29:40,812 --> 00:29:42,179
that the dog hit yesterday.
499
00:29:58,396 --> 00:29:59,663
I saw him over there.
500
00:30:14,479 --> 00:30:15,546
What did you notice?
501
00:30:33,665 --> 00:30:34,865
Oh, my God.
502
00:30:38,169 --> 00:30:40,370
This is unbelievable.
503
00:30:43,408 --> 00:30:44,408
Oh, my God.
504
00:30:56,521 --> 00:30:58,488
It's interesting
that both dogs...
505
00:30:58,523 --> 00:31:00,791
That was the second
step we wanted to take.
506
00:31:00,825 --> 00:31:04,094
I mean, he didn't hit anywhere
else except the spot your dog hit.
507
00:31:05,763 --> 00:31:07,698
Both dogs are telling us
508
00:31:07,732 --> 00:31:09,600
that there's odor there. So...
509
00:31:09,634 --> 00:31:10,467
Yeah.
510
00:31:13,571 --> 00:31:16,506
Hannibal PD,
they're gonna call in, um,
511
00:31:16,541 --> 00:31:18,575
somebody to come in
and do more testing,
512
00:31:18,610 --> 00:31:20,611
I think with
a ground-penetrating radar
513
00:31:20,645 --> 00:31:23,013
to take the testing
a little bit further,
514
00:31:23,047 --> 00:31:25,782
and then, I think based
on that they'll...
515
00:31:25,817 --> 00:31:26,917
Yeah, if that turns
something up,
516
00:31:26,951 --> 00:31:29,786
then we'll get somebody
up here to proceed.
517
00:31:29,821 --> 00:31:32,656
Really, I can't
believe that just happened.
518
00:31:32,724 --> 00:31:34,424
Just the fact
that both of your dogs
519
00:31:34,459 --> 00:31:36,059
just went to the same spot.
520
00:31:36,094 --> 00:31:37,127
It's a good indicator...
521
00:31:37,161 --> 00:31:38,528
- Yeah.
- ...to move forward.
522
00:31:38,563 --> 00:31:39,630
- Yeah.
- All right.
523
00:31:39,664 --> 00:31:40,797
-All right, guys. Thank you so much.
-Cool.
524
00:31:40,832 --> 00:31:42,199
- Nice meeting everybody.
- Yeah, all right.
525
00:31:42,233 --> 00:31:43,500
All righty.
526
00:31:43,534 --> 00:31:45,002
- That's pretty crazy.
- Yeah.
527
00:31:54,479 --> 00:31:57,214
So now the police
will bring in somebody
528
00:31:57,282 --> 00:31:58,916
to do ground-penetrating radar.
529
00:31:58,950 --> 00:32:00,918
And with that radar
you can pretty much sense
530
00:32:00,952 --> 00:32:03,754
that there's, like,
something down there.
531
00:32:03,788 --> 00:32:05,756
Like bones or something,
I don't know.
532
00:32:05,790 --> 00:32:06,823
And then they'll dig.
533
00:32:08,626 --> 00:32:10,527
Well, I'm gonna
get on the horn now
534
00:32:10,561 --> 00:32:14,131
and thank God that we went and
had a long conversation with Grote.
535
00:32:17,168 --> 00:32:18,936
Your callhas been forwarded
536
00:32:18,970 --> 00:32:20,904
to an automated voice
message system.
537
00:32:22,073 --> 00:32:24,308
Hey, there, Lieutenant.
It's, uh, Christina Fontana.
538
00:32:24,342 --> 00:32:25,809
I just wanted to give a call
539
00:32:25,843 --> 00:32:28,645
and see if I could
touch base about, um,
540
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,815
potential timeline
for what would be next,
541
00:32:31,849 --> 00:32:34,651
uh, as far as maybe, uh,
taking a look at that area.
542
00:32:34,686 --> 00:32:36,987
Um, you can call me
any time I'm around,
543
00:32:37,021 --> 00:32:39,156
um, and I appreciate it.
Thank you. Bye.
544
00:32:40,291 --> 00:32:42,526
She said that she usually
has this phone on her.
545
00:32:43,127 --> 00:32:45,228
Um, so... I mean...
546
00:32:47,131 --> 00:32:49,132
I'm hoping she calls back.
547
00:32:49,834 --> 00:32:52,002
I would hate to leave Hannibal
548
00:32:52,036 --> 00:32:55,605
and then have them go check
out the lead that we gave them,
549
00:32:55,640 --> 00:33:00,010
um, or have them
just not do anything with it.
550
00:33:00,044 --> 00:33:01,545
Like, I wanna make sure
that something,
551
00:33:01,579 --> 00:33:03,246
something's gonna be done
about this.
552
00:33:03,281 --> 00:33:05,482
And kinda swiftly
because as we were all saying,
553
00:33:05,516 --> 00:33:08,518
you know, there were
people watching us.
554
00:33:20,898 --> 00:33:23,066
Grote's telling me
on the phone this guy
555
00:33:23,101 --> 00:33:24,634
did the radar
and there's nothing there.
556
00:33:24,669 --> 00:33:25,836
We're basically moving on.
557
00:33:25,870 --> 00:33:31,775
So Jan, our dog handler,
called Grote for the report.
558
00:34:18,923 --> 00:34:20,657
It seems like
the conversation
559
00:34:20,691 --> 00:34:24,127
with the dog handler and
her initially was very good...
560
00:34:24,162 --> 00:34:25,762
- Yeah.
- ...a lot of information sharing.
561
00:34:25,797 --> 00:34:28,165
And then it seems like, it's
all of the sudden, you know,
562
00:34:28,199 --> 00:34:30,567
"Oh... uh, he did it.
563
00:34:30,601 --> 00:34:33,203
Can't share with you.
I'm sorry." And that's that.
564
00:34:33,237 --> 00:34:34,204
Yeah.
565
00:34:34,238 --> 00:34:35,939
I went to them,
and I was like, "By the way",
566
00:34:35,973 --> 00:34:38,475
I'm making this large
project about this.
567
00:34:38,509 --> 00:34:39,910
I've been doing it
for about nine years.
568
00:34:39,944 --> 00:34:40,977
I wanna work with you.
569
00:34:41,012 --> 00:34:42,546
"I wanna help you
in any way I can."
570
00:34:42,580 --> 00:34:44,981
You're at the point where you
can't really rule anything out.
571
00:34:45,016 --> 00:34:49,252
Just 'cause you have
a ten star on your shirt
572
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,488
and wear a shiny belt
with a gun on it doesn't mean
573
00:34:51,522 --> 00:34:53,323
you're always doing
thing on the up and up.
574
00:34:53,357 --> 00:34:56,626
And I asked basically,
like, "Can we dig anyway?"
575
00:34:56,661 --> 00:34:58,929
Or, like, "Do you think
this is just it,
576
00:34:58,963 --> 00:35:00,464
you guys
are just gonna walk away?"
577
00:35:00,498 --> 00:35:04,267
And she's like,
"Well, I'm bound by legalities
578
00:35:04,302 --> 00:35:05,969
that you guys aren't."
579
00:35:06,003 --> 00:35:07,270
- For what?
- Right?
580
00:35:07,305 --> 00:35:10,173
- But why does somebody say something like that?
- But for what?
581
00:35:10,208 --> 00:35:11,708
I don't even know
what that means.
582
00:35:11,742 --> 00:35:14,444
Like, "I'm bound
by things that you're not,"
583
00:35:14,479 --> 00:35:18,281
and to me that was, like,
kinda, "I mean, I can't dig,
584
00:35:18,316 --> 00:35:19,649
but if you wanna dig..."
585
00:35:21,686 --> 00:35:22,519
Right.
586
00:35:24,422 --> 00:35:26,623
How could I possibly
walk away from this
587
00:35:26,657 --> 00:35:30,527
without finding out if there's
something there or not?
588
00:35:30,561 --> 00:35:33,029
I can't not check this out.
It's how I feel.
589
00:35:33,064 --> 00:35:35,232
Yeah, no.
Without a doubt. I agree.
590
00:35:35,266 --> 00:35:40,437
Two dogs hit basically
the same area.
591
00:35:40,471 --> 00:35:41,705
Yeah, something is there.
592
00:35:41,739 --> 00:35:43,039
Yeah, there's... Yeah.
593
00:35:43,074 --> 00:35:46,476
- And that in itself gets me so pumped up.
- Yeah.
594
00:35:46,511 --> 00:35:48,378
I just feel like
we're at the point right now
595
00:35:48,412 --> 00:35:50,981
where no one's gonna do it
unless we do it.
596
00:35:53,184 --> 00:35:54,718
Law enforcement isn't helping.
597
00:35:54,752 --> 00:35:56,953
Like, nobody really want
to listen to these leads,
598
00:35:56,988 --> 00:35:59,189
so it's sort of like,
you, me and two shovels.
599
00:35:59,223 --> 00:36:00,690
Wouldn'thave it any other way.
600
00:36:21,379 --> 00:36:24,047
I wanna try to like, um,
keep things to a minimum here.
601
00:36:24,081 --> 00:36:25,949
Just, remember
those dogs that bark?
602
00:36:25,983 --> 00:36:27,717
I wanna try to not
trigger them to bark.
603
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:31,388
So it's, like, here.
604
00:36:32,256 --> 00:36:33,156
Okay?
605
00:36:59,984 --> 00:37:01,151
Those dogs.
606
00:37:06,991 --> 00:37:08,391
Oh, hey, hey, hey, hey.
607
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:11,194
What's this? Trees?
608
00:37:11,229 --> 00:37:13,163
No, no, no, no.
Leave it. Leave it.
609
00:37:13,197 --> 00:37:14,497
Don't touch anything.
That's dangerous.
610
00:37:14,532 --> 00:37:16,266
That is not trees.
Leave it.
611
00:37:16,300 --> 00:37:17,367
Holy crap.
612
00:37:18,536 --> 00:37:19,803
Do you see
what I'm seeing?
613
00:37:28,045 --> 00:37:31,114
No, that's, that's, that's
exactly what you think it is.
614
00:37:39,657 --> 00:37:40,490
Here.
615
00:37:56,207 --> 00:37:57,374
I got something else.
616
00:38:04,081 --> 00:38:05,982
I got another one for you.
617
00:38:06,017 --> 00:38:09,919
Here you go. We're definitely
finding some bones.
618
00:38:11,789 --> 00:38:13,423
I mean, it could be
an animal, though.
619
00:38:13,457 --> 00:38:15,392
- We have to get the dog to work that work it.
- Sure.
620
00:38:17,595 --> 00:38:19,763
I've got a guy
on speed dial as well.
621
00:38:19,797 --> 00:38:20,730
For bones?
622
00:38:27,004 --> 00:38:29,406
Well, and I've got
a coroner in St. Louis.
623
00:38:38,749 --> 00:38:39,716
Okay.
624
00:38:41,218 --> 00:38:42,252
Let's keep going.
625
00:38:48,959 --> 00:38:50,760
Christina, this is not, uh...
626
00:38:51,462 --> 00:38:52,462
What is this?
627
00:38:53,564 --> 00:38:54,931
It's very simple
in nature,
628
00:38:54,965 --> 00:38:57,567
but it looks like something
you would use to,
629
00:38:57,601 --> 00:39:00,937
to strangle somebody, uh,
specially from behind.
630
00:39:00,971 --> 00:39:02,706
Those hoops for the fingers
631
00:39:02,740 --> 00:39:05,408
gave you the leverage
to do what you need to do.
632
00:39:05,443 --> 00:39:07,043
That's why
they're forged in there.
633
00:39:07,078 --> 00:39:08,878
All right, let's
just leave it to the side
634
00:39:08,913 --> 00:39:10,513
and have the police look at it.
635
00:39:21,192 --> 00:39:22,525
What's that right there?
636
00:39:24,595 --> 00:39:25,662
Dude, holy shit.
637
00:39:27,531 --> 00:39:28,865
Is that for somebody's hands?
638
00:39:28,933 --> 00:39:31,034
- Yeah, it was.
- Yeah. I'm bagging it.
639
00:39:31,068 --> 00:39:34,037
Looks like a great way
to secure somebody's movement.
640
00:39:34,071 --> 00:39:35,305
It's just my opinion.
641
00:39:35,339 --> 00:39:37,006
Dude, you keep finding
shit right here.
642
00:39:38,175 --> 00:39:39,642
It looks like somebody...
643
00:39:39,677 --> 00:39:42,112
They used this
to restrain somebody's legs.
644
00:39:42,146 --> 00:39:43,580
- Arms, legs.
- Arms.
645
00:39:43,614 --> 00:39:45,081
Yeah.
646
00:39:45,116 --> 00:39:47,751
My only thought
process is, I mean,
647
00:39:47,785 --> 00:39:49,119
we're here for a reason,
648
00:39:49,153 --> 00:39:51,087
and the shit that you're
pulling out of the ground...
649
00:39:51,122 --> 00:39:52,455
I know. We're...
650
00:39:52,490 --> 00:39:53,990
- Fits the reason.
- I know.
651
00:39:58,129 --> 00:39:59,295
I think we might have company.
652
00:40:00,097 --> 00:40:01,164
Holy crap.
653
00:40:01,198 --> 00:40:02,031
Yeah.
654
00:40:03,601 --> 00:40:04,467
Grab the bags.
655
00:40:07,104 --> 00:40:07,937
Yep.
656
00:40:16,180 --> 00:40:18,748
Hey, we heard some ATVs. We're
gonna take what we have to the police.
657
00:40:19,850 --> 00:40:22,085
You wanna just follow us to HPD?
658
00:40:22,620 --> 00:40:23,753
Okay.
659
00:40:23,788 --> 00:40:25,221
Yeah,
let's just get out of here.
660
00:40:25,256 --> 00:40:26,756
Let's go down
to the police station.
661
00:40:35,299 --> 00:40:37,934
At the tone,please record your message.
662
00:40:37,968 --> 00:40:39,502
Hey, Lieutenant Grote,
663
00:40:39,537 --> 00:40:40,870
it's Christina Fontana.
664
00:40:40,905 --> 00:40:42,906
We started digging
around a little in that area,
665
00:40:42,940 --> 00:40:45,108
and we came across two things
that I'm dropping off
666
00:40:45,142 --> 00:40:46,543
at the station for you.
667
00:40:46,577 --> 00:40:48,845
Basically, they look
like you could, be used
668
00:40:48,879 --> 00:40:52,882
to restrain somebody and also,
potentially, choke somebody.
669
00:40:52,917 --> 00:40:55,051
That thing had fibers
on it, so I think,
670
00:40:55,085 --> 00:40:57,454
you know, the right thing
to do is to give it to you guys
671
00:40:57,488 --> 00:40:58,855
to do some testing on it.
672
00:40:58,889 --> 00:41:01,324
Um, if you get this phone
call give me a callback,
673
00:41:01,358 --> 00:41:03,092
but otherwise I'm pretty much
674
00:41:03,127 --> 00:41:05,628
just gonna be walking into
the station and handing it over.
675
00:41:05,663 --> 00:41:07,230
Um, all right, thanks, bye.
676
00:41:15,039 --> 00:41:17,440
So, there's no police officers
in there, he said,
677
00:41:17,475 --> 00:41:19,843
so I'm trying to explain to
this guy through the window.
678
00:41:19,877 --> 00:41:21,311
He's like, "What do you got?"
And I was like,
679
00:41:21,345 --> 00:41:22,912
"Basically,
we were helping her out
680
00:41:22,947 --> 00:41:24,147
with one of the cases.
681
00:41:24,181 --> 00:41:26,516
We came across something,
you know,
682
00:41:26,550 --> 00:41:28,318
that we think
that you guys should have."
683
00:41:28,352 --> 00:41:29,586
And he was like, "What is it?"
684
00:41:29,620 --> 00:41:32,021
He's like, "All right, well,
I'll put it in our mailbox."
685
00:41:32,056 --> 00:41:33,623
Um, he put it in a plastic bag
686
00:41:33,657 --> 00:41:35,859
and he's gonna put it
in her mailbox.
687
00:41:35,893 --> 00:41:38,261
Like, that's what... He was
just like, "No one's here."
688
00:41:38,295 --> 00:41:40,463
Like, he's just like a guy
sitting behind the desk.
689
00:41:40,498 --> 00:41:41,664
He's not a police officer.
690
00:41:41,699 --> 00:41:43,800
I left a message for Grote.
I don't... I mean...
691
00:41:57,548 --> 00:41:59,182
Now, with this whole dig thing,
692
00:41:59,216 --> 00:42:00,483
I feel like we walked away
from it.
693
00:42:00,518 --> 00:42:04,053
Like, because we had to go
because, like, you know,
694
00:42:04,088 --> 00:42:06,523
"Oh, we hear an ATV. Everybody,
we've gotta get out of here."
695
00:42:08,292 --> 00:42:10,059
We didn't even get
to run the dog over it.
696
00:42:10,094 --> 00:42:12,395
No. We ran away mid-search.
697
00:42:13,697 --> 00:42:16,199
And now we just handed
off our evidence
698
00:42:16,233 --> 00:42:19,369
to some dude behind a desk.
699
00:42:21,205 --> 00:42:24,240
Fuck. We've just given away
the murder weapon.
700
00:42:40,624 --> 00:42:43,393
Grote called and
she ripped me a new asshole
701
00:42:43,427 --> 00:42:44,661
for going back to that site.
702
00:42:44,695 --> 00:42:47,830
At first, she admitted
that she led me to believe
703
00:42:47,865 --> 00:42:49,065
that there was nothing there
704
00:42:49,133 --> 00:42:51,234
because she wanted to
"put her cards on the table."
705
00:42:51,268 --> 00:42:53,469
And in the same breath,
she was saying
706
00:42:53,504 --> 00:42:54,571
that I misheard her
707
00:42:54,605 --> 00:42:56,806
and that actually
was doing a dig after all.
708
00:42:58,242 --> 00:42:59,375
I don't know what to do.
709
00:42:59,410 --> 00:43:01,811
I mean, my hands are tied now,
so I have to wait to see
710
00:43:01,845 --> 00:43:02,912
what they do with the dig site.
711
00:43:02,947 --> 00:43:04,280
So hopefully they'll update me.
712
00:43:04,315 --> 00:43:05,615
Your callhas been forwarded
713
00:43:05,649 --> 00:43:08,585
to an automatic
voice message system.
714
00:43:08,619 --> 00:43:11,421
Hey, Lieutenant Grote,
it is Christina Fontana,
715
00:43:11,455 --> 00:43:15,124
uh, calling to see if there's any
way to get a general sort of update
716
00:43:15,159 --> 00:43:17,660
about the dig site.
717
00:43:17,695 --> 00:43:20,930
Hey, Lieutenant Grote, this
is Christina Fontana again.
718
00:43:20,965 --> 00:43:24,100
Um, I'm just calling
to follow up on the, uh,
719
00:43:24,134 --> 00:43:26,536
dig site and the items
that we found.
720
00:43:26,570 --> 00:43:30,273
Um, I'm wondering if they were
sent out for testing
721
00:43:30,307 --> 00:43:32,475
just to see
if there's any DNA on them.
722
00:43:33,644 --> 00:43:35,244
Your callhas been forwarded
723
00:43:35,279 --> 00:43:37,113
to an automatic
voice message system.
724
00:43:37,147 --> 00:43:39,349
It has been three months.
725
00:43:40,117 --> 00:43:41,918
Over three months at this point.
726
00:43:44,288 --> 00:43:48,992
For recording an attorney-client
without their consent?
727
00:43:52,162 --> 00:43:53,429
Your call has been forwarded
728
00:43:53,464 --> 00:43:55,565
to an automatic
voice message system.
729
00:43:55,599 --> 00:43:59,736
Lieutenant, uh, look, I'm calling
to bug you about that dig site again.
730
00:43:59,770 --> 00:44:02,305
At the tone,
please record your message.
731
00:44:02,339 --> 00:44:04,007
We're passing
eight months now.
732
00:44:04,708 --> 00:44:07,276
You get a tip in 2015, 16,
733
00:44:07,311 --> 00:44:09,045
that she's probably
on this property.
734
00:44:09,079 --> 00:44:11,681
Enough for you to go
actually try to get consent
735
00:44:11,715 --> 00:44:12,649
to get on the land.
736
00:44:12,683 --> 00:44:15,652
A cadaver dog indicated
human remains
737
00:44:15,686 --> 00:44:18,721
and we found
a garrote and a metal-fasten.
738
00:44:22,393 --> 00:44:23,526
What is it gonna take?
739
00:44:33,637 --> 00:44:35,805
I have no wayof knowing
740
00:44:35,839 --> 00:44:40,943
when or if Hannibal PD is going
to follow up on the dig site or not.
741
00:44:40,978 --> 00:44:45,481
So I turn my attention back to
tracking down potential witnesses,
742
00:44:45,549 --> 00:44:49,185
including one who claims he saw
Christina partying with several men
743
00:44:49,219 --> 00:44:50,086
the night she disappeared.
744
00:45:12,609 --> 00:45:14,077
If I wereto throw any names at you,
745
00:45:14,111 --> 00:45:18,181
would you be able to say,
"Yes," or "No," or "Sound familiar"?
746
00:45:21,885 --> 00:45:23,319
What about Darcy Morris?
747
00:45:29,293 --> 00:45:31,160
Okay, what about Anthony McPike?
748
00:45:35,599 --> 00:45:36,933
Anthony...
749
00:45:36,967 --> 00:45:38,201
McPike.
750
00:45:38,235 --> 00:45:39,368
Anthony? Okay.
751
00:45:53,751 --> 00:45:57,086
Did any police ever
follow up with you on what you know?
752
00:45:57,121 --> 00:46:00,389
I'm only asking this
just because I'm just curious
753
00:46:00,424 --> 00:46:02,625
if they even following up
on any these leads.
754
00:46:02,659 --> 00:46:04,327
- Did you ever talk to anybody?
- No.
755
00:46:04,361 --> 00:46:07,330
No? No police.
Oh, man, they drop... Um. Okay.
756
00:46:12,870 --> 00:46:14,170
It makes no sense
757
00:46:14,204 --> 00:46:18,141
because I've given
Hannibal PD two solid leads.
758
00:46:18,175 --> 00:46:21,911
Anthony McPike's testimony
and a credible tip
759
00:46:21,945 --> 00:46:25,114
that Christina may be buried
near Ledbetter's place.
760
00:46:25,149 --> 00:46:28,551
But, to my knowledge,
they're not moving on either.
761
00:46:30,554 --> 00:46:34,157
I feel like I get
gaslighted by these people.
762
00:46:34,191 --> 00:46:35,958
I've been...
I've been going through this
763
00:46:35,993 --> 00:46:39,195
with the fucking family
for years.
764
00:46:44,468 --> 00:46:46,369
And now I'm going through it
with the police.
765
00:46:51,141 --> 00:46:54,443
I'm starting to understand
why Cindy gets so frustrated.
766
00:47:04,288 --> 00:47:06,355
I can't just sit around
and wait HPD anymore.
767
00:47:06,390 --> 00:47:08,936
- I just can't. And I don't think you can either.
- I know.
768
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:11,561
Uh, I've never sat around
waiting for them to start with.
769
00:47:11,595 --> 00:47:13,262
- I know.
- I'm always searching myself, you know?
770
00:47:13,297 --> 00:47:15,865
Walk us through it. And you've
told this to Christina, I'm sure,
771
00:47:15,933 --> 00:47:17,133
and probably to Gina.
772
00:47:17,167 --> 00:47:18,634
Walk us through
about what happened, like,
773
00:47:18,669 --> 00:47:20,169
once you found out
that she was missing.
774
00:47:20,204 --> 00:47:23,840
I wanna understand, like, what was
the response by the law enforcement?
775
00:47:23,874 --> 00:47:25,708
So you know how
the first hours are crucial.
776
00:47:25,742 --> 00:47:28,144
That first weekend, I mean,
we came home,
777
00:47:28,178 --> 00:47:32,148
we was in Texas, we got in, uh, we
went, right, straight to the police station
778
00:47:32,182 --> 00:47:33,316
as soon as we got in town.
779
00:47:33,350 --> 00:47:35,918
And, um, we filed the report
780
00:47:35,953 --> 00:47:37,820
and, I mean,
leads were coming in.
781
00:47:37,855 --> 00:47:40,356
People was calling me,
you know, like, left and right.
782
00:47:40,390 --> 00:47:42,592
And every time
I'm calling down there,
783
00:47:42,626 --> 00:47:44,894
you know, I have to talk
to a different officer.
784
00:47:44,928 --> 00:47:47,396
Like, like Grote even told me,
she said at first,
785
00:47:47,431 --> 00:47:49,165
she said, "I thought
Christina was kinda,
786
00:47:49,199 --> 00:47:51,634
maybe needed a break and took
off for a couple of weeks."
787
00:47:51,668 --> 00:47:54,503
What the hell are you think...
What are you talking about?
788
00:47:54,538 --> 00:47:57,173
You know one weird
thing I never understood about it
789
00:47:57,207 --> 00:48:00,243
is how come they didn't come
investigate us to start with.
790
00:48:00,277 --> 00:48:03,479
We've never been asked
questions or where we are.
791
00:48:04,114 --> 00:48:05,648
Never ever.
792
00:48:05,682 --> 00:48:08,885
We told the police that, he said, "I
think you should've even questioned us."
793
00:48:08,919 --> 00:48:10,253
He said, "I think you
should question everybody."
794
00:48:10,287 --> 00:48:11,454
Why are we telling
them how to do their job?
795
00:48:11,488 --> 00:48:13,089
And they said, "Well,
we already..." He said...
796
00:48:13,123 --> 00:48:15,258
I mean, that's the logical thing that
you would talk to, like, the parents.
797
00:48:15,292 --> 00:48:18,661
To me, I think Christina
should've been found.
798
00:48:18,695 --> 00:48:20,730
I think between HPD and Peoria,
799
00:48:20,764 --> 00:48:23,199
FBI in Saint Louis,
FBI in Peoria,
800
00:48:23,233 --> 00:48:25,735
and you know, everything
that they had available
801
00:48:25,769 --> 00:48:27,136
should've been used, you know?
802
00:48:27,170 --> 00:48:28,604
You know,
they go to bed at night.
803
00:48:28,639 --> 00:48:30,039
They know where their kids are.
804
00:48:30,073 --> 00:48:31,707
You know,
I don't have that luxury.
805
00:48:31,742 --> 00:48:33,509
I don't get... We don't get that.
806
00:48:44,488 --> 00:48:47,623
As hard as I tryI can't figure out
807
00:48:47,658 --> 00:48:51,093
why the Hannibal PD refuses
to discuss
808
00:48:51,128 --> 00:48:53,729
the case at any level.
809
00:48:53,764 --> 00:48:57,233
What could they
possibly have to lose?
810
00:48:57,267 --> 00:49:01,637
But now at least one of
the reasons may be surfacing.
811
00:49:01,672 --> 00:49:05,441
Multiple sources, some
claiming firsthand knowledge,
812
00:49:05,475 --> 00:49:09,045
have told me that no less than
three Hannibal Police officers
813
00:49:09,079 --> 00:49:13,049
have been accused of having
a sexual relationship
814
00:49:13,083 --> 00:49:14,583
with Christina Whittaker.
815
00:49:17,387 --> 00:49:21,157
There are also accusations that
a local law enforcement official
816
00:49:21,191 --> 00:49:23,826
introduced Christina to cocaine.
817
00:49:24,995 --> 00:49:26,329
There
was no words at the time.
818
00:49:26,363 --> 00:49:29,966
It was a multimillion-dollar
crack deal
819
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:31,300
done quietly in Hannibal.
820
00:49:31,335 --> 00:49:34,437
And, you know, there was just
some questionable things going on.
821
00:49:34,471 --> 00:49:35,604
Yeah.
822
00:49:35,639 --> 00:49:39,442
From drugs and, you know,
and to, like, just the police.
823
00:49:39,476 --> 00:49:41,444
There was crackheads
in high places.
824
00:49:41,478 --> 00:49:43,846
There's no way
you could've been...
825
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:45,781
what was happening
down in west side Hannibal
826
00:49:45,816 --> 00:49:48,651
without it being major,
major money involved.
827
00:49:48,685 --> 00:49:49,919
Okay.
828
00:49:49,953 --> 00:49:51,988
With the cops, was there
ever some sort of, like, cross...
829
00:49:52,022 --> 00:49:54,023
- I mean, corruption happens everywhere, right?
- Mmm-hmm.
830
00:49:54,057 --> 00:49:56,525
Where we have drug dealer
in the department...
831
00:49:57,828 --> 00:50:00,796
I would like to talk about
my own personal experiences,
832
00:50:00,831 --> 00:50:05,267
but I can't disclose that so
just get me... Just get me what...
833
00:50:05,302 --> 00:50:07,636
That's the whole thing was...
was the teenagers,
834
00:50:07,671 --> 00:50:09,605
and they were going to parties
835
00:50:09,639 --> 00:50:11,841
with police officers
that were on duty.
836
00:50:11,875 --> 00:50:14,844
Doing heavy drugs with them,
having sex with them.
837
00:50:14,878 --> 00:50:18,981
I would love to find out
who those officers were.
838
00:50:33,730 --> 00:50:35,731
told me
about the drinking
839
00:50:35,766 --> 00:50:36,932
and partying
and sleeping with the cops.
840
00:50:36,967 --> 00:50:39,268
- Do you remember that going down?
- I do.
841
00:50:39,302 --> 00:50:40,503
Were you there?
842
00:50:42,339 --> 00:50:48,544
No. But I know...
it's happened with me and her.
843
00:50:48,578 --> 00:50:50,312
At least at the first time.
844
00:51:00,724 --> 00:51:02,691
I know that they had
sexual relations.
845
00:51:02,726 --> 00:51:06,362
- I do know that.
- I got caught with
846
00:51:06,396 --> 00:51:07,430
on Brook Road.
847
00:51:07,464 --> 00:51:10,199
Oh, did you really?
Banging a cop?
848
00:51:10,233 --> 00:51:11,634
Did he ever say anything?
849
00:51:12,402 --> 00:51:13,702
Not to the department.
67755
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