All language subtitles for Fall.River.S01E04c

If I had a chance to say,

"Would you want an investigation
like that again?

Three homicides,
connected with satanic cults?"

I'd say, "Are you crazy?"
It destroyed my life.

I got divorced in the process,
in the middle of it.

It was... it consumed me.

Carl Drew was initially
charged with two murders,

that of Doreen Levesque
and Karen Marsden.

Carl Drew was sentenced
for all of his natural life
to be in prison.

There were many aspects
that corroborated Carl's
innocence story

that had been omitted

or trampled under at trial.

Leah Johnson
was Carl Drew's girlfriend.

And, uh,
she had Karen Marsden's ring.

The ring placed Carl
at the scene of the homicide.

We tracked down
Leah Johnson and she said,

"Oh, yeah, you know,
the whole ring story,
that's a bullshit story."

Carol Fletcher,
she was another prostitute.

We spoke to her several times.

Carol witnessed Robin Murphy
killing Karen Marsden.

They have, you know,
made their case on Robin
being a central figure in this

and her being a main perpetrator
instead of a victim.

Robin had a very
rough upbringing,

a very troubled,
troubled background.

I was molested
and raped by Andy Maltais,
starting at age 11.

Andy was a pedophile,
basically.

He liked young girls.

Andy Maltais... he was
gonna give me a ride home.

He repeatedly raped me.

He would drive around
and find these young girls.

People like that,
they're predators.

I went to the police station
and told them about Andy.

They wouldn't even take my
statement 'cause I was only 12.

They didn't care.

No.

You had, you know, girls

being exploited and they just
weren't particularly concerned

about the exploitation factor
of those girls.

Barbara Raposa
had gone to high school
with Robin Murphy.

I really didn't know
much about Barbara
until we found her body.

Andy Maltais, I didn't
say he murdered Barbara

because of what he did to me,
but so that he couldn't
do it to anyone else.

And it worked.

Without Robin Murphy,
they wouldn't have had
a case at all.

How do we know
what is the truth today?

I don't think you do.

It does not stand to reason

that one 17-year-old woman

would be at three
separate murders

committed by separate men

at separate times
in separate places.

It just doesn't make sense.

How can one person
be in all these places?

What is she, Forrest Gump?

Lenny Bruce famously said
that in the halls of justice

the only justice
is in the halls.

And this is one of those cases.

Carl Drew went to prison
based entirely
on the word of these women

whose stories never matched up,
not once, not ever.

Not once on the stand,

not once in interviews
with the cops,

nothing added up.

Mike Cutler was appointed
to me as an attorney,

and he ended up putting

all this stuff together

and we submitted it
in the court, you know?

A motion for new trial

is designed to bring
new evidence,

or evidence that wasn't
admitted at trial, into court

so that a new trial motion judge
can look at that evidence.

And the judge
granted that motion.

We were granted the
evidentiary hearing.

We produced the evidence.

Everybody who said,

"This is what happened" recanted
and said they were coerced.

I got a call from
the assistant district attorney.

He called me and asked me,
"Could I go to the trial
with them?" And I said,

"Yes, it's too important a case
to have to retry."

These cases ultimately,
unless you have
forensic evidence,

uh, come down to
a credibility contest.

The witnesses,
Fletcher and Johnson,
were in tough shape.

Yet, they kept it together
and they showed up.

Carol Fletcher,
she said, "Carl shouldn't even
be in jail at all."

She said, "He wasn't there,

what happened at the trial
was that we were all coerced,

we were all threatened.
That, you know, they put us
in jail or whatever."

She's like, "And, of course,
we all have
criminal backgrounds,

we were probably all
on probation.

And so we just said whatever
it was they wanted us to say."

There is some amount
of witness manipulation

that a prosecutor
is permitted to do.

It's just that telling someone
that you're not gonna send them
to prison

if they testify for you
is, uh, inherently coercive.

Right. Yeah. Yeah.

This is a class issue.

Where poor people go to prison.

They don't have access
to defense attorneys,

they don't have people clamoring
for their release.

From the very beginning of this
case, I've told these people

that I couldn't read
and I couldn't write
and all that stuff.

And they end up using that
and took advantage of that.

Knowing that I couldn't,
you know,

I couldn't understand
a lot of the stuff that
they were telling me about.

This is another example,
in this particular case,

you know, we would call it
in Boston, here's a poor whiskey
tango dude with no family,

and it was very easy
to railroad him into prison.

They weren't the greatest
witnesses in the world.

They were vigorously
cross-examined.

Leah Johnson in particular.

And, as I recall correctly,
she was sitting in the back
of the courtroom,

she nodded out
and I think fell over,

uh, which... certainly didn't
enhance her credibility.

All of the people who had been
involved in the investigation

were brought out of retirement
or located.

All these people were brought
back to trial and said,
you know,

"These are all drug-addicted
street workers,
you can't believe 'em."

She was comfortable with us.

We weren't intimidating her.
We didn't have any problems
with her.

We got along with her very well.

The testimony
of Carol Fletcher
and originally Leah,

everything fit in
with the evidence
that we found at the scene.

We did get the rental car
that Carol had driven
with that group that night

and had it tested by the state
police crime lab for blood.
Never found any blood.

Well, if they didn't use
that vehicle, if they
used another vehicle.

They could have gone back
the next day.

That's... we didn't find any
blood in the car because she was
killed outside the car.

And we didn't find any blood
in the car because if the story,

the rumors that we heard,
that she had been cut up
and thrown in dumpsters...

Yes, you are.

Absolutely.

But if they...

There's no physical
evidence at all tying Carl Drew
to these crimes.

Not a single iota
of physical evidence.

Karen was killed...
where she was killed,

off Roberts Street,
Family Beach, in Westport.

That's where her clothing
was found, that's
where her hair was found.

No.

That should have
reopened this case and earned
Carl Drew a new trial.

But no one wants to relive
this case.

I called Robin Murphy
as our witness.

I had her parole hearing
in which she said she had lied.

There was a palpable sense
of evil in the room.

At least, to my perception.

And she... spit out
her testimony.

And she couldn't deny
the fact that she had

recanted under oath
at the parole hearing.

But she continued to express
hostility towards Carl

and tried to say
that he had done it,

uh, despite her saying
that he hadn't done it.

If there
was a new trial granted,

and you can't count on Robin's
reliability and testimony,

and Carol is now
a defense witness
and Leah is a defense witness,

then what evidence do you have?

'Cause there wasn't a shred
of actual evidence.

There's no evidence.

There's no evidence
that he's guilty.

The only evidence was
Robin Murphy and Carol Fletcher

saying that they were there
and saw it happen,

uh, and they've both denied it.

I sure thought that,
if I had a straight-up judge,

I should have been entitled
to the benefit of the doubt.

But I didn't have
a straight-up judge.

They just completely
shut it down.

Me and Paul and Mike Cutler,
we were shocked and amazed.

The judge, um,

who I was trying
the new trial motion to,

I later heard rumors was having
lunch every day with the former
prosecutor on the case,

to be sure that everything
was going copacetically.

The judge said, "You know what?
A new trial isn't
gonna be granted. It's done.

He'll stay in jail forever,

and she'll still be able
to go out and get parole
if she can.

And that's it.
We don't wanna hear it anymore."

It was a fucking huge blunder.

It's been a difficult
process for me to get
into this case.

A case I worked on for 11 years.

Didn't work out for my client.

Carl's done 40 years for
something that he didn't do

and all of these other people
have moved on.

Carl's still in prison.

Carl has exhausted his appeals.

He obviously thought he had
a good case for an appeal.

That failed. He gets no more
bite at the apple.

Unless there's some new evidence
that arises.

I lived in Harbor Terrace
in the top row, um,

two doors... two entryways
down from Sonny.

My father just wasn't
in the picture.

And, uh, in the projects
that wasn't abnormal.

And my mother,
she died June 14, 2013.

And when she passed,

I cleaned out her apartment
and I found a baby book

which had like my first steps,
when my first steps were,

my first toy, and, um...

And a picture of Carl Drew.

He was the first one
to come see me in the hospital.

I found a, uh, a Facebook page
that Carl had

and he wanted me
to go see him. So I did.

I asked him if he might know
who my father is.

Um, and then he ended up telling
me there's a chance that he
could be my father.

My mother
wasn't physically abusive.

You know, but she, uh,
you know, she was a drug addict
and a prostitute.

And, uh, you know,
so I witnessed a lot
of like fighting,

a lot of... different stuff,
and, uh...

I started acting up in school.

And, um... they, uh...

they recommended they put me
in like special needs, um...

They didn't know what was wrong
with me, they recommended me
to do like counseling.

So when I was probably about,
I don't know, five or six,

I had told my mother that, um,

I saw these people
up on the roof killing a girl.

I saw three for sure.

I'm pretty sure one is Robin.
The other two I'm, uh,

100 percent sure was Sonny
and Carl Davis.

There's a lot of commotion,
a lot of screaming.

I don't remember
how I got up there.

Just a lot of yelling.

I think I was crying.

No, it's kind of a blur.

She would have been dead.

There was a woman on the roof
that...

that Carl Davis
was holding back.

Well, Carl Davis was probably
pulling, um...

Robin off her.

Karen.

I'm waiting for Carl to call.

Um... he has limited access

to email through
a prison system,

so I sent him an email and it
takes him a while to get it.

And then I have to wait
till he gets phone time.

And then can call me
at any minute,

and I just kind of have to be
on standby for when he calls.

The witness is interesting
'cause I'm not really sure
what to believe.

I mean, aside
from the interview,
I spent the whole day with him.

You know, I was in Fall River,
I spent the whole day with him,

I went to lunch with him,
I talked to him, I saw his ID.

So there's no question
he is who he says he is.

And I really believe that he
believes what he's saying.

There's also the issue of him
being presumably Carl's son.

You know, so he has
that motivation

to kind of at least tailor
his memory to want to help Carl.

I don't think he's doing that
on purpose.

But, um, it's possible.

I think the challenge in all
this is that everybody has
a piece of the puzzle.

And we have to step back
and look at all the pieces

and put that together
into a collective story.

And that's what tells you
what happened.

Okay. This is Carl.

Hello.
This is a prepaid collect call from...

Carl. Hey.

Carl, can you hear me?

Okay, so I met with the witness.

And, um, he told me about
the roof of Harbor Terrace.

And I assume he's told you
the same thing?

I do think there's another
possibility that I wanna
ask you about, I guess.

So starting
with Doreen Levesque.

She's the girl
under the bleachers.

She's killed first.

Doreen Levesque,
her head and face
were so badly distorted

from the large stones

that they all threw

at her face.

She was tied up
with fishing wire.

Her head was crushed with rocks.

She was posed
in a sexual position.

This is something that a male
serial killer does to a woman,
usually.

Then right after Doreen
Levesque, like within 25 days,
Barbara Raposa is killed.

And those two murders
are not just similar.

They are the same.

Her hands were tied
behind her back also.

And they had smashed her
in the face with a rock

and her face was completely
smashed in.

Uh, yes.

What always confused me
is that Robin claims

that two different people
committed these murders.

Robin said that you killed
Doreen Levesque,

and she knows that
because Karen told her.

Then she said that Andy
killed Barbara Raposa.

Andy Maltais told me a story.

That angels carried him
over Barbara while
she was being murdered.

Yes, it is. It... it does seem
very strange, doesn't it?

You know, Andy, he always
said he wasn't there.

I always thought there was
something about that
that he didn't tell me.

But I couldn't
get it out of him.

So I just wanna
put this out there.

I think Andy Maltais
killed both Doreen and Barbara.

Stick with me.

So if you look at the location
of Barbara and Doreen's murder,

they are within miles
of each other.

And Andy Maltais lives
directly in the middle of them.

So that could be a coincidence.

But that would be
a huge coincidence

that two young women would be
murdered in the exact same way

within six miles of each other
and both within two miles
of Andy's house.

You met Andy at one point.
Right?

Walpole's the name of a prison?
Right?

Okay.

Okay. Well, get this.
The police knew Andy
had a criminal history

that is very similar
to these murders.

When I had heard that my dad
had raped some woman

and heard that he was a
pedophile and mentally unstable,
I started researching it.

So I says, "Well, I'm gonna dig
a little deeper."

So I called my mother.

She says, "When I got together
with your dad,"

she said, "he was just coming
out of jail."

I said, "Jail? For what?"

And she says, "Well,
he got a charge for rape."

Andy had
a background
of doing things like that.

He was arrested up
in the Freetown State Forest

by the state police back in 1957

for picking up girls from
a junior high in Fall River

and taking them up
to the, what they call
the forest,

attempting to rape
or raping the girls.

And my former station commander
is one of the people
that arrested him.

He did some house of correction
time on that.

Back then, things would
slip through the cracks.

We didn't have the computer
databases that we have today.

People moved from one town
to the next. Not just Andy.

And there was really no way
to track them. It just
simply got overlooked.

Yeah, and the crazy thing is
that both Doreen and Barbara

were tied at their hands
and ankles

with what they called
a white, twisted twine.

And when you look into it more,
it was a white fishing line.

And not only is it the same
at both murder scenes,

but Andy had that in the trunk
of his car when
they searched it.

Andy Maltais,
he had a bag of tricks

that were all sexual items
that he used...

Vibrators and rope
and handcuffs.

And I spoke to one
of his victims,

and she said that Andy would
do the same thing to her.

Andy had a freshwater fishing
pole. I remember that.

He had rope in his trunk
of his car,
with his sicko sex toys.

He would use rope on me.

Tie me up,
my wrists to my ankles.

I was petrified.
I was petrified.

So Andy killing both Doreen
and Barbara makes sense.

Especially considering that he
was the one who was originally

suggesting that you were
the killer of Doreen Levesque.

Andy Maltais...

He knew a state police officer
that I had worked with.

And he went
to the state police officer

and said he knew something
about the Levesque murder.

So I met him one day.

We snuck him into the
state police barracks in
Dartmouth and talked to him.

And when he got there he said,
"Well, I don't really
know anything."

Well, yes...

But then he brought Robin
and Karen Marsden in.

They came out with the story
about Carl Drew having done it.

Andy associated
with all those girls...

Barbara, Robin, Karen Marsden.

I never really understood that.

So if Andy killed Doreen
and Barbara, that still
leaves us with Karen Marsden.

And the thing about Karen
is that she had told

lots of people that she
witnessed the first murder.

So in that case, Karen saw Andy
kill Doreen Levesque

and could potentially testify
against him.

And there's actually a record
to support that.

Karen's grandmother actually
told the Fall River police

that Andy had threatened Karen
before she was killed.

Andy told her that he thought
he might be arrested
for the murder of Barbara.

And that if he was, he felt
Karen's safety was in jeopardy.

So Andy had threatened
Karen's grandmother

that Karen might be hurt
if he was arrested.

And the crazy part is that's
exactly what happened.

So the police knew
that Andy and Karen
had this relationship

and that Andy had threatened
Karen, but they never
investigated.

They thought Andy had an alibi.
They thought Andy was in jail
at the time of Karen's murder.

But in Massachusetts at the
time, if you were arrested
you had to be arraigned

within 24 hours,
and Andy's lawyer
had arranged for bail.

The first time I met
Andy, he was already in court.

He was in the prisoners' area.
So I went over.
I told him who I was.

Told him to be quiet.

Uh, and, um, I told him
we either arrange for bail,

or I'd have to go see him
at the jail.

But whatever happened,
just to be quiet.

And, um, he was arraigned.

And I did arrange
for bail for him.

I even called
the Fall River District Court,

and they looked up Andy's
records for me,

and they confirmed that Andy
was released on February 8th,

hours before the murder
of Karen Marsden.

Hello?

Andy Maltais,
his general demeanor

was just, um...

almost accepting
of his own behavior.

You know, didn't...
he didn't see the world
the way you and I do.

When you look
at the autopsy reports
for all three women,

even though they never
found Karen's body,
they found her skull,

and on Karen's skull
there was a crush injury.

Essentially, her skull
was crushed kind of right
on her left forehead.

Which is exactly the same
as the other two murders.

All three women died
of a skull fracture
with a large, blunt object.

So as far as we know,
Karen is killed in the exact
same way as Doreen,

the exact same way as Barbara,

and Andy has a motive to kill
her and no alibi for her murder.

So that still leaves us
with the witness on the roof

of Harbor Terrace.

Yes. He was not there.

Hundred percent sure
he was not on that roof.

I know for a fact that Carl
Davis and Sonny was on the roof.

Carl Davis was holding somebody.

And...

I'm pretty sure that...
that was Robin.

I mean, there's a lot of
possibilities there, right?

Maybe the witness got the day
wrong. Maybe he's off by a year.

Maybe he was four, not five.

He wasn't even 100 percent sure
that Robin was on the roof.

He said he probably... he said
it was probably Robin.

You'd met Carl Davis, right?

Did you know he was involved
with Robin or Karen or Andy?

So I've been talking to Robin,
um, through email.

She gets a limited amount
of email at the prison.

And I've really, really been
pushing her to let me
come back in

and interview her on camera,
and she's agreed.

I have not told her all this.

I have not told her
about the witness.

I've not told her all this stuff
about Andy.

I don't even know if she knows
about Andy's criminal history.

I want to tell her in person

and give her a chance
to either explain herself

or maybe fill in something else
that we're missing.

Um, she knew Andy the best
out of anyone, unfortunately.

So I'm gonna fly to Boston

and go back into the prison...

and interview her
on camera this time.

You have one minute left.

But either way, I mean,
to me, I see all this

as just more proof
of your innocence.

And so I think we need
to get this to someone.

Okay. Good.

Thanks, man. Talk to you soon.

There she is.

- Am I turned on?
- You are.

- Okay.
- So have you been here for a while?

Well, we got here about
noon, so about two hours.

Yeah. Ready?

So how did you meet Andy
in the first place?

Um, Andy gave me a ride one day
during a snowstorm.

That's how I met him.

- What happened?
- Um...

If we could, um...

just move from that,
I would appreciate it.

Yeah.

Did you know that Andy
had been to prison
before he met you?

What? Okay.

I never heard that before
until this very moment.

Did you ever suspect
that he was involved
in the Doreen Levesque...?

- No.
- 'Cause there are police reports
where you

talk about Andy being
with Doreen Levesque

and even, um, tell the police
that you think Andy killed
Doreen Levesque.

- Do you remember that?
- I may have felt that way.

Um, I think that period of time
involved a lot of, uh,

odd things, a lot
of strange things.

Um... uh...

I did my best to sort out
what was real and what
was scare tactics, I guess.

The specifics and details

about different conversations
and things.

Uh, sorry, it was 40 years ago.

Um, kind of hard
to keep track of.

It looks to me like he
probably killed Doreen Levesque.

Possible. Yes.

The case with Barbara

and Doreen, they are both
extremely similar.

When Barbara was missing,

um, he wanted to know
if I had seen her

and, uh, he insisted
she was missing

and something bad happened
to her.

Then he told me about the dream.

He said she was dead,
she was tied up,

she was bludgeoned to death
with a rock.

He knew everything
before they found her.

Everything.

One of the first times
you had any contact with police

was when Andy took you
and Karen in together, right?

Yes. I know that I thought
we were going for one reason,

and it was really
something else.
It was very odd.

It was very odd. And I do not
remember the specifics.

Andy said, "If I'm
arrested, something's going
to happen to Karen."

Really?

What was Andy's
relationship to Karen?

I don't know.

I know that when I was
in the hospital,

um, one of the many times
I was in the hospital,

Andy came in with Karen,
or Karen came in with Andy.

And I was curious how they...
what they were doing together.

And she said, "Oh, he just
gave me a ride."

Um, I don't know where they met.
I don't know any of that.

Did you ever confide
in Karen about what had happened
with Andy?

- Yes.
- What was her reaction?

- Um, I really don't recall.
- Yeah.

I know that we, um,
we had a few discussions.

I remember seeing him
in a one-piece pajama set.

He was knee high
to a grasshopper.

I talked to him
and he said that

he was on the roof
of Harbor Terrace
and saw you arguing.

You, Karen, and Sonny,
and Carl Davis.

- I have a question,
before you go any further.
- Yeah, yeah.

His age now versus his age
in February of 1980,

is he old enough
to be up on a roof?

He would have been
extremely young.

It didn't happen.

Um, which is why
I just asked you that.

I remember him
being really small.

That's why I asked you
how old he was.

Um, I've never been
on the roof of Harbor Terrace.

So...

I've been to... I was at Sonny's
at 5 Harbor Terrace.

Uh, across the next building
down, Carol Fletcher
lived there.

Somebody sold me weed once
on the second floor
of that building.

And a woman by the name of Gail
lived in the last building.

That's what I know
about Harbor Terrace.

I'm not into closets
and rooftops and basements.

I don't know anything
about that. I'm sorry.

I told a lot of stories
a long time ago.

And I don't tell stories
anymore.

Some people continue
to tell stories.

I don't know why.
I don't know what the cause is.

I don't know if they believe
their own lies. I don't know.

Um, but I do know
that I'm telling the truth.

Um, and I'm sorry if anyone
tries to taint that.

Hm. Andy was actually
arraigned on February 8th.

And he was released hours
before Karen's murder.

I wasn't aware of that neither.

He was arrested.

I'm telling you all this
'cause I'm wondering

if it triggers anything
in your memory?

Like, "Wait a sec.
Now I do remember?"

No, you're actually blowing my
mind with all this information.

Um, I did not...

know any of it and, uh,
wasn't aware of it, certainly.

But I didn't...
never even considered it.

What do you think now?
Do you think it's possible?

I think that, um...

Do I think it's possible?
Anything's possible.

Anything at all is possible.

It seems like
he had so little insight

into what he was doing
that he'd almost traumatized you

to make you feel like you were
complicit in what he was doing.

-Right.
-You know, is that...
you think that's accurate?

Um, I absolutely do.

Before he passed,
he sent me a letter from prison.

And he said he only tried
to make a woman out of me.

I think that for someone
to say that about
an 11-year-old, 12-year-old...

You know, he had a rifle
in the trunk of the car.

And he took it out one day
and shot at my feet.

And initially I remember feeling
like really afraid.

And he was like, "Ah,
I was only kidding."

I've never forgotten that.

Uh, and I believe I told
the police about that.

Um, and it just didn't matter.

None of that mattered.

And now you're telling me,
"Oh, yeah. No,
he does that stuff."

What?

That's crazy.

Why didn't he ever kill me?

That is so weird.

When was the last time
you saw Karen?

February 8th.

Uh... we parted ways
after leaving her son's

foster parents' house.

- And that was it?
- Never saw her again.

- Yeah.
- Because I never saw her again...

after going to Sonny's house,

that still haunts me.

A lot.

That's what's so
complicated about this entire,

you know, history of the
Fall River satanic cult murders.

I mean,
who are you gonna believe?

There may be things
that I don't wanna talk about,
but that's for personal reasons.

Not because I have anything
really to hide.

Um... but I...

I've been telling the truth
for a long time.

It's not sensational.

You know, they let
this girl, Robin Murphy,

manipulate them
for her own gain.
You know what I mean?

Like I said, and I want that
story out there that,
you know what I mean?

By her own volition, she
admitted that she lied
and she made this stuff all up.

The DA acquiesced

to the need for public closure

and didn't necessarily have the
interest of justice at heart.

When we find that injustice
has been done,

somebody's been wrongly accused,
I think we have
to commit ourselves

a thousand percent to trying
to right that wrong,

to undo the damage,
to restore reputations,

to make things whole again.

At the present moment, uh,
we have 43 domestic cases
of the coronavirus.

Six Americans have lost their
life to the coronavirus.

And on behalf of the president
and all of the American people,

we extend our
deepest condolences.

Because of the president's
strong leadership

and all of the hard work that
our public health professionals
have done

at the local, the state,
the federal level,

the immediate risk to any
individual American has been
and does continue to be low.

What's going on?
Are you locked down or...?

Yeah,
they only let us out
for a half hour a day.

You know, so... yeah.

We've already
seen 126,000 deaths with
infection rates rising rapidly.

It's going to disappear.
One day, it's like a miracle.
It will disappear.

So did Carl Drew
belong in prison for what he did
as a pimp? Absolutely.

Does he belong in prison
on the word of a liar
with no physical evidence?

Maybe. But at the very least,
we should be giving him
an opportunity

to be retried with a fair trial
and an adequate counsel.

No question in my mind
that he is not innocent.

He committed the crimes.
He was present.

He committed the crimes.

I believe justice was served.

My first impression
was that the case, um,

at trial appeared to be a mess.

And then as we looked
into more evidence,

it seemed to raise a lot of red
flags and a lot of questions.

I think that the evidence
that Carl has uncovered

over the past 30-plus years

and that this documentary
has uncovered,

uh, is compelling
and significant evidence

that, um, Carl did not
commit this crime.

I think that it's
worthy to take a look
at this case

and to raise some real questions
about how something like this

could be prosecuted
in the manner that it was.

Legally, Carl is
in a tricky situation

because he has to find more
evidence and new evidence

and evidence that's different
than what was presented
in the motion in 2004.

But I think that there is
evidence that has been uncovered
that is different.

Robin Murphy's statement
that she also, uh,

was told on the day of trial
by the prosecutor

that she needed to testify
to what they agreed to,

even after she was trying
to tell them that she lied,

I think is very compelling.

I'm concerned about getting
a judge to take it seriously.

Um, being that judge had already
discredited Robin Murphy.

But on top of that, from the...
what this documentary
has uncovered,

um, is that in the police's
investigation into
the Barbara Raposa murder,

against Andre Maltais,

the police had arrested
Andre Maltais in the past,

um, for committing crimes
with very similar MO,

very similar method to the way
that Doreen Levesque was killed.

This information about Andre
Maltais was never turned over
to Carl or his defense team.

Before a person is convicted,
the defense is supposed
to receive all evidence

that is both against them
and evidence that may show that
they didn't commit the crime.

And when evidence
isn't turned over,

the law, uh, essentially
supports Carl saying,

"How was I supposed to know
that it existed?"

Carl Drew, I think it's hard
for him to dispute

that he was a pimp
who prostituted little girls.

However, the people who belong
in prison have to be put there
in the correct way

according to the rule of law.

To overturn
his conviction,

I have to show that all
of this information

might have made a difference
to the jury.

That it would have been
a significant factor
as they tried to determine,

"Did Carl commit this crime
or did someone else?"

One big thing that Carl was
lacking was significant evidence
of a third-party culprit,

of the other person who
may have actually killed her.

And it seems clear from what
the documentary has uncovered

that this information
about Andre Maltais,

that might be a basis
to get Carl back into court

and to overturn his convictions.

We need to file a motion
for a new trial.

Robin's history of
trauma and also going to prison

at 17, 18 years old
and serving most of her life
in confinement,

you know, is traumatic
in and of itself.

So it's trauma after trauma
after trauma
and a coping mechanism,

you know, to deal
with all of that, you know,

I think she doesn't trust people
so therefore she comes off
as untrustworthy,

um, to the parole board.

You've woven this web
of deceit

and storytelling that...

I can't make heads or tails
of what...

even the surface
of the truth is in this case.

I think it's evident
that she was an abuse victim,

um, by multiple people.

You know, she may
have had street smarts,

but that doesn't mean
that she had common sense

or that she had the emotional
maturity to deal with, you know,

what was going on around her.

I think she deserves re-parole.

Here's what's so sad
about this case.

What you absolutely know
for a fact

is that you had these men
who were victimizing
teenage girls.

I mean, that alone should have

provoked some
sort of investigation.

These were all girls that should
have been offered some sort
of protection.

I think what you're
doing and what your
team's doing here

is the only way,
is to shed some light onto it.

Maybe, you know,
there's some people

who were former
district attorneys

who, you know,
feel bad about it.

Maybe there are some people
who worked on the case

who would like
to make things right.

And if 100,000 people or so
see this,

or people in Fall River realize
that, hey,

"I think it warrants an
investigation into it.

Go ahead, let's test the shit.
Why not?"

Why not look up the cases,
do due diligence?

And, uh, just get to the truth
of the situation.