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- Bringing you Center Four...
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- The shadow that
you seen was bipedal,
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and it almost looked like
a... like a giant canine.
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It didn't have any... you
know, human features to it.
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Seven, eight feet tall,
very broad-shouldered,
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and it had this...
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and it had this...
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canine-looking head.
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- I remember
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it was a dog-like creature.
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To this day, I can distinctly
remember hearing the footsteps.
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Bipedal footsteps on the
gravel, and it was shuffling.
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- This thing emerges
from the corn,
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and it was about six feet tall,
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it had the head of a dog,
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high-pointed ears,
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it's shoulders were... were
rolled, and it's arms were long,
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and I remember it
just, turned its head
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like this and looked at me.
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- I've faced predators.
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Most of your big game predators
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that you have in the States.
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These things don't
act like that.
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You look in these things' eyes,
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these things look like they're
trying to figure you out.
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They look like they're
looking through you,
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trying to figure out
what your next move is.
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So they can get around it.
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I've been around
predators my whole life,
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and I've never seen anything
in my life like that.
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So the history of werewolf
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and Dogman sightings
is... is ancient.
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We have to look at
the Greek myths first,
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uh, to come up with
the word "lycanthropy".
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- And from that time on,
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we have now had part
of our vernacular
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the word "lycanthrope".
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And the Greeks were very aware
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that werewolves existed.
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So when we look at the
word "werewolf" as well,
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or you know the word "were"
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W-E-R, comes from
the Middle Ages.
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And it simply means, "man".
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So you have a man-wolf.
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We see also, even in
the Viking culture,
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you know, a few thousand
years later, 2000 years later,
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whenever they would
dress in the furs
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of particular animals of
which they wanted to emulate.
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The name "Berserker" comes from
those that wore bear hides.
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But also there were the Vikings
that wore the furs of a wolf,
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and they were called
the "drinkers of blood".
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Because they believed that
they were able to assume
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that animal's form, that
animal's ferocity in battle.
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Sightings historically,
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I think are often amalgamated with
Bigfoot sightings, unfortunately.
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Because, we didn't really have
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the differential type of comparison
and contrast with the Dogman.
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I think and just
up until recently,
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people were seeing what they
call "Dogman", or, "werewolf."
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More, because now we have
that as part of our language.
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But I think a lot of times
when people were talking
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about being confronted
by a Bigfoot,
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or encountering a Bigfoot
that was acting aggressively.
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A lot of those reports
that I'm looking at,
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I am now thinking,
are more in the realm
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of the Dogman, werewolf, sightings
than a typical Bigfoot sighting.
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It's always seemed like Dogman
is a bit aggressive in nature,
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because you hear so many
stories of people that see it,
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and it chases them
out of an area,
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or it bites them.
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There are multiple sightings up
from here in the region where...
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- people just see it
running across the trail
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or it doesn't chase them, you...
you know, they'll just see it.
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It's like every
encounter you hear
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that they're described just
a little bit different.
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People say it looked like the
werewolf from the movie Silver Bullet.
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Or you'll hear somebody say,
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"Well, uh, the legs and the arms
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looked like a canine, but it...
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stood up on two legs
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it kind of had a coyote head,
but it was much larger."
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So, it's a...
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it's a little
strange in that way,
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you hear a lot of
different types.
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They all seem to differ,
in some little manner.
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- So anywhere in the Midwest,
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I mean, it just
makes perfect sense.
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And there's... there's
a lot of cover.
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I mean, there's still...
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uh, in the Midwest
and Central America.
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There's... North America,
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- there's a lot of...
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wide open spaces
and a lot of woods.
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And a lot of places where a
single person jogging down a road,
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looks like a tasty, tasty meal.
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If that's...
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If that's what their intent is,
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or if their intent is...
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"Just stay away from
where we're guarding.
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We don't want you, you know,
we don't want you messing...
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with what... what
we're protecting."
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Bucyrus, as I understand,
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was founded in 1821.
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Uh, it was given the name "Bucyrus",
by Colonel James Kilbourne.
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I don't know what his
interest was in Bucyrus,
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but, we're forever cursed with a
name, that nobody could pronounce.
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Yeah, it's been
around a long time.
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Grew up here? Yep.
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North of town, out
in the country.
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It's a quiet... existence
growing up, because,
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because, I mean,
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Bucyrus is a small town.
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But I grew up...
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very rural... like nine
miles outside of town.
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So, you know, we visited
our grandparents in town,
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and it was a nice Middle
America small town.
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Leave It To Beaver could
have been filmed...
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you know, on one of the streets.
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Uh...
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Just a nice place to grow up.
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- People, you know,
the... the people here,
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are pretty...
down-to-earth people.
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You know, we have, uh,
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essentially a makeup of
people who was born here,
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and a lot of people that
migrated from Kentucky.
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As a kid,
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you know, my grandparents
would tell us
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stories about a creature that
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that they refer to as the Bobo.
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Bobo... The other thing
I can figure, Bobo
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was some sort of...
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some sort of, you know,
bipedal... you know, hominid.
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And then they also told us
a story about a creature
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by the name of Raw
Head and Bloody Bones.
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Which, I had no
idea what that was,
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but I presumed it was some
version of the Boogeyman.
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And so years later, when
you have the Internet,
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I've... I've actually
looked it up,
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and, uh, my grandmother
on my mother's side
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came from the Tennessee area.
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Uh, in North Carolina,
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in that mountainous area there.
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And it turns out that
Raw Head and Bloody Bones
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date all the way back
to 15th Century England.
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And you know,
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immigrants came over,
and the stories came over
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and over the years, "Be
careful going to the woods.
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"The Bobo'll getcha.
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Raw Head and Bloody
Bones will get you."
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You know, things like that.
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My parents were no-nonsense.
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Uh, my dad would have never...
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even entertained
the idea of a ghost
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or some sort of
monster running around.
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- It was a different time
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uh, growing up in the '70s.
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Uh, people, especially
in rural America,
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the... that was
nonsense to them.
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So...
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I mean, there's no
other way to put it.
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And my... probably my dad's
solution would have been,
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"Hey, if there's a dog, a Dogman or
Bigfoot out there, we'll just shoot it."
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You know werewolves were...
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Lon Chaney Jr. On TV8.
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- And that's my
reference to werewolves.
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Was, you know, the
werewolf, Lon Chaney Jr.
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With the... torn plaid shirt,
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and the flat face,
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and running around, grabbing
women and running off with them.
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My encounter happened
way back in 1972,
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between Yellow
Springs and Clifton.
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- It started out as a...
most likely a Friday night,
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because I was allowed to
be out on Friday nights.
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I was about 17 at the time.
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Out with the boyfriend,
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and another couple, we
had two different...
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we had two cars, two sets of us,
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and... well, you
know how kids are.
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We were out going to "park".
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- We, uh, go down the road,
and the bridge is totally out,
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there's just the barricade.
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So, we...
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turn around and make sure that both
of the vehicles are facing out.
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So if the cops come along,
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you know, "We were
just leaving anyway.
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- "No big deal."
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Really, really dark.
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It was probably...
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it was cloudy, I don't know.
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There were no
leaves on the trees.
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But it wasn't real cold,
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so it was a perfect night to
be standing out and laughing.
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I was leaning on...
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the car with my boyfriend.
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Nice muscle car, back then.
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So I'm leaning...
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We're talking with
the other couple
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who's leaning on...
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their car, I don't know
how long we'd been there,
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maybe 15-20 minutes?
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There was gravel on
the berm of the road.
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And now remember, this is...
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just one way in and one way out,
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because the bridge is out.
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Well, there's
gravel on the berm.
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There's a brush row
next to a creek,
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and I see
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eye shine, meaning an animal,
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up in the trees,
or so I'd thought.
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I mentioned out,
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"I wonder if that's a possum, or
a raccoon, or what's up there?"
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And then...
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something walked out.
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And it wasn't a possum,
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it wasn't a
raccoon. It was a...
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a creature.
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I have no idea
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at the time what it was,
nor did anyone else.
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To this day, I can distinctly
remember hearing the...
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rustling of the gravel
that's on the berm.
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- And... there's
this dark creature.
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It wasn't huge.
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Maybe five foot, five
and a half foot...
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six to eight feet away from me.
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When it was in the, uh, weeds,
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it had its mouth closed,
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its eyes were amber,
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almond, sort of almond-shape.
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The ears were very,
very close to the head.
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- Pointed straight up, but
they weren't real long ears,
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but they were
pointed straight up.
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- My belief... it
was August of 1985.
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Um, at that time, there
was a friend of the family,
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who, when I was a
high school athlete,
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and he had asked
me if I'd wanted
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to get into a fitness program,
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a running program,
to be in shape.
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I said, "Sure."
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So the plan was that I was going
to go out and run five miles
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in the evening.
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I lived on State
Route 4, North 4381.
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At that time, really the
only place for me to run
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was this little side
road, just south
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of my house called Temple Road.
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If my memory serves
me correctly,
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I was going to try to get
running at, like, eight o'clock.
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And then I procrastinated, and
this happened and that happened.
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And by the time I was
actually ready to go run,
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it was dark.
250
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You know, I was a country boy.
251
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You know, I... I was
never afraid of the dark.
252
00:15:00,074 --> 00:15:02,272
So going out and running
down a country road at night,
253
00:15:02,307 --> 00:15:04,703
didn't bother me at all.
254
00:15:04,738 --> 00:15:07,508
I left my house, it was
probably little after nine,
255
00:15:07,543 --> 00:15:09,950
and it just... it
had just gotten dark.
256
00:15:10,744 --> 00:15:12,183
But it was a very clear night.
257
00:15:12,218 --> 00:15:13,580
I mean, it was really clear,
258
00:15:13,615 --> 00:15:14,779
visibility was good.
259
00:15:14,814 --> 00:15:16,913
I start down Temple Road,
260
00:15:16,948 --> 00:15:19,883
and at that time, on
the right hand side,
261
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which would be the
north side of the road,
262
00:15:21,986 --> 00:15:24,426
there was corn,
on the left side,
263
00:15:24,461 --> 00:15:26,296
which should be the south
side of Temple Road,
264
00:15:26,331 --> 00:15:27,726
it was all beans.
265
00:15:27,761 --> 00:15:30,795
And it stayed like that
all the way for one mile.
266
00:15:30,830 --> 00:15:31,895
So...
267
00:15:31,930 --> 00:15:34,337
I made it down the
State Route 19,
268
00:15:34,372 --> 00:15:35,800
and I was on my way back,
269
00:15:35,835 --> 00:15:39,342
and as I approached Flickinger
Road on the way back,
270
00:15:39,377 --> 00:15:41,839
which meant that I
had one mile to go,
271
00:15:42,710 --> 00:15:44,776
I got this weird feeling.
272
00:15:44,811 --> 00:15:46,712
It's this kind of feeling that
273
00:15:46,747 --> 00:15:48,681
you know, something's wrong,
274
00:15:48,716 --> 00:15:51,189
and you know, there's...
something's watching you.
275
00:15:51,818 --> 00:15:53,323
And...
276
00:15:53,358 --> 00:15:56,788
I felt like it was coming from
those woods, so I stopped.
277
00:15:56,823 --> 00:15:59,626
I don't know why I
stopped, but I stopped,
278
00:15:59,661 --> 00:16:01,364
and I looked into the woods...
279
00:16:02,466 --> 00:16:03,828
and I didn't see anything.
280
00:16:03,863 --> 00:16:06,930
I... I didn't hear anything,
I didn't see anything.
281
00:16:06,965 --> 00:16:09,306
As I was about to
start running again,
282
00:16:09,341 --> 00:16:12,705
in the cornfield, I see
the corn start moving.
283
00:16:15,380 --> 00:16:16,874
-Whatever it was...
284
00:16:16,909 --> 00:16:21,318
it was really big because
a lot of corn was moving.
285
00:16:21,353 --> 00:16:23,221
I mean, a lot of corn is moving,
286
00:16:23,256 --> 00:16:25,289
and then all of a
sudden, it stopped.
287
00:16:25,324 --> 00:16:27,720
And I thought, "Wow,
that's strange."
288
00:16:27,755 --> 00:16:29,205
And so I said, "Well,
I'mma get out of here."
289
00:16:29,229 --> 00:16:31,460
So I take off running,
290
00:16:31,495 --> 00:16:33,528
and when I took off running
291
00:16:33,563 --> 00:16:35,332
whatever was in the corn...
292
00:16:35,367 --> 00:16:37,796
takes off running, too.
293
00:16:37,831 --> 00:16:40,469
And that's what
startled me, really,
294
00:16:40,504 --> 00:16:42,702
because that's not
how deer behave.
295
00:16:42,737 --> 00:16:44,176
Deer gets, you know,
296
00:16:44,211 --> 00:16:45,650
deer gets scared or
they get startled,
297
00:16:45,674 --> 00:16:47,718
or they get surprised, and
they just take off running.
298
00:16:47,742 --> 00:16:50,842
But this thing started
running with me.
299
00:16:50,877 --> 00:16:52,580
And when I say it
started running with me,
300
00:16:53,154 --> 00:16:55,154
it was pacing me.
301
00:16:55,189 --> 00:16:57,189
- It... and it kind
of freaked me out,
302
00:16:57,224 --> 00:16:59,323
so I stopped.
303
00:16:59,358 --> 00:17:01,523
And when I stopped...
304
00:17:01,558 --> 00:17:03,195
it stopped.
305
00:17:03,230 --> 00:17:06,198
To this day, I think it
would've had to been, at least
306
00:17:06,233 --> 00:17:08,233
three rows in.
307
00:17:08,268 --> 00:17:11,863
And so I remember
stopping thinking,
308
00:17:11,898 --> 00:17:14,206
'How does it know
that I stopped?'
309
00:17:14,241 --> 00:17:17,638
So I stood there, and as I stood
there, staring at the corn,
310
00:17:17,673 --> 00:17:19,805
I mean, not a
single stalk moved.
311
00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:22,280
I mean, it was
perfectly, just still.
312
00:17:22,315 --> 00:17:24,282
Like this thing that
was in the corn,
313
00:17:24,317 --> 00:17:27,681
like it was just
perfectly still.
314
00:17:27,716 --> 00:17:29,815
And I don't know how
long I stood there,
315
00:17:29,850 --> 00:17:31,850
but it spooked me.
316
00:17:31,885 --> 00:17:34,226
And... not knowing what it was,
317
00:17:34,261 --> 00:17:35,887
I said, "That's it,
I'm taking off."
318
00:17:35,922 --> 00:17:37,053
So...
319
00:17:37,088 --> 00:17:38,758
and when I took off,
320
00:17:38,793 --> 00:17:41,057
it takes off simultaneously.
321
00:17:41,433 --> 00:17:42,696
And...
322
00:17:42,731 --> 00:17:45,094
it's pacing me, and I
start running faster,
323
00:17:45,129 --> 00:17:46,799
and it starts running faster.
324
00:17:48,407 --> 00:17:51,573
I realize... this
thing's stalking me.
325
00:17:51,608 --> 00:17:53,476
Whatever... whatever
is in the corn.
326
00:17:53,511 --> 00:17:56,875
I realize when I get to Route 4,
327
00:17:56,910 --> 00:17:59,581
I'm going to have to
turn left to go home.
328
00:17:59,616 --> 00:18:02,518
And I'm just... assuming
this thing stays in the corn.
329
00:18:02,553 --> 00:18:03,915
- Assuming it did.
330
00:18:03,950 --> 00:18:05,950
When I get to Route 4 and
I turn left to go home,
331
00:18:05,985 --> 00:18:08,345
I'm gonna run right into it,
I'm going to intersect with it.
332
00:18:08,757 --> 00:18:10,262
And...
333
00:18:10,297 --> 00:18:13,760
One of my best friends who lived
just down the road from me,
334
00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:16,499
he was to the right.
335
00:18:16,534 --> 00:18:19,370
So... my thought is "Okay."
336
00:18:19,405 --> 00:18:21,812
"I'm not going to turn left and go
home, because I don't want this...
337
00:18:21,836 --> 00:18:23,803
I don't want to intersect
with this thing,
338
00:18:23,838 --> 00:18:25,134
so I am going to cut right."
339
00:18:25,169 --> 00:18:26,740
So, I made up my mind.
340
00:18:26,775 --> 00:18:29,611
I was just going to
stay on the road.
341
00:18:29,646 --> 00:18:33,285
And when I get to Route
4, I'm going to cut right,
342
00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:35,078
I'm gonna run to his house.
343
00:18:35,113 --> 00:18:38,884
So I realized that as
I'm going to get there,
344
00:18:38,919 --> 00:18:41,755
there... I'm gonna
run out of corn.
345
00:18:41,790 --> 00:18:43,460
So whatever is in this corn
346
00:18:43,495 --> 00:18:46,628
is going to come out before
I actually get to Route 4.
347
00:18:47,994 --> 00:18:50,995
So, I told myself, "Don't look."
348
00:18:51,030 --> 00:18:53,569
And the reason why
I said, in my mind,
349
00:18:53,604 --> 00:18:55,208
"Don't look." Because...
350
00:18:55,243 --> 00:18:57,001
I had no idea what it was.
351
00:18:57,036 --> 00:18:59,278
And part of me thought,
352
00:18:59,313 --> 00:19:02,413
"If I looked, I
might freeze up."
353
00:19:02,448 --> 00:19:04,041
I'm coming to the
end of the corn,
354
00:19:04,978 --> 00:19:06,252
and...
355
00:19:06,287 --> 00:19:08,353
I looked, I couldn't
help myself.
356
00:19:08,388 --> 00:19:10,487
I... I... I could
not help myself.
357
00:19:10,522 --> 00:19:13,820
As I'm running, I kind of
turned my body like this,
358
00:19:13,855 --> 00:19:15,690
to just kind of, like...
359
00:19:15,725 --> 00:19:17,186
side shuffle,
360
00:19:17,221 --> 00:19:18,990
and that's when I saw it.
361
00:19:21,027 --> 00:19:24,369
This thing emerges
from the corn,
362
00:19:24,404 --> 00:19:26,272
and it was about six feet tall,
363
00:19:26,307 --> 00:19:28,307
because that's how
tall the corn was.
364
00:19:29,233 --> 00:19:30,936
And, it...
365
00:19:30,971 --> 00:19:32,509
had the head of a dog,
366
00:19:33,380 --> 00:19:35,512
high pointed ears.
367
00:19:35,547 --> 00:19:38,878
- And it's shoulders
were rolled like this,
368
00:19:38,913 --> 00:19:42,211
like it had, like, terrible pos...
like a person with terrible posture.
369
00:19:42,246 --> 00:19:46,655
It's shoulder rolled
and its arms were long,
370
00:19:46,690 --> 00:19:49,823
and, I remember, it
just turned its head
371
00:19:49,858 --> 00:19:51,561
like this and looked at me.
372
00:19:53,532 --> 00:19:56,500
I saw its head, I saw the ears.
373
00:19:56,535 --> 00:19:59,569
Could I tell you what
color its fur was? No.
374
00:19:59,604 --> 00:20:02,132
It could have been real dark
gray, it could have been black.
375
00:20:02,167 --> 00:20:03,573
It could have been dark brown.
376
00:20:03,608 --> 00:20:06,708
I can't tell you what
color the fur was for sure.
377
00:20:06,743 --> 00:20:09,843
The interesting thing
is, when I saw it,
378
00:20:09,878 --> 00:20:12,241
I didn't immediately
think werewolf.
379
00:20:12,276 --> 00:20:14,386
I just didn't, because...
380
00:20:14,421 --> 00:20:16,850
as we talked about,
my frame of reference
381
00:20:16,885 --> 00:20:21,624
for what a werewolf was, was
something I had seen on TV8.
382
00:20:21,659 --> 00:20:27,190
It was a man with a flat face, and
it wore torn, tattered clothes.
383
00:20:27,225 --> 00:20:29,368
It did not look like what I saw.
384
00:20:29,403 --> 00:20:31,832
And the only frame of
reference that I had,
385
00:20:31,867 --> 00:20:35,671
was it looked just like
the Egyptian God, Anubis.
386
00:20:35,706 --> 00:20:37,706
That's the best way
I can describe it.
387
00:20:42,075 --> 00:20:45,747
There was an almost
a crackling feeling.
388
00:20:45,782 --> 00:20:48,211
The hair on the back
of my neck stood up.
389
00:20:48,246 --> 00:20:52,358
Almost like a static,
static electricity, maybe.
390
00:20:56,320 --> 00:21:02,302
- And, I suppose that's a sixth
sense, saying, "It's time to leave."
391
00:21:05,769 --> 00:21:11,806
I don't know whose voice it
was, and I hear "Let's go, now."
392
00:21:11,841 --> 00:21:15,612
I run around and the creature,
393
00:21:15,647 --> 00:21:18,450
it didn't move like a human.
394
00:21:18,485 --> 00:21:22,619
- Maybe, it moved like a dog
that's walking on its hind legs.
395
00:21:22,654 --> 00:21:25,820
It almost moved kangaroo-like.
396
00:21:25,855 --> 00:21:29,087
Like the legs were
bent the wrong way.
397
00:21:29,122 --> 00:21:31,991
That's sort of freakier
than about anything,
398
00:21:32,026 --> 00:21:34,532
is to see something that
399
00:21:34,567 --> 00:21:37,634
your mind does
not want to grasp.
400
00:21:37,669 --> 00:21:40,329
And it's on two legs.
401
00:21:40,364 --> 00:21:46,577
- It kind of does a hop, skipping
motion, not very many feet.
402
00:21:46,612 --> 00:21:50,009
It followed me, which was no
big deal and it was so close.
403
00:21:50,044 --> 00:21:55,146
It did its hop skipping motion and
I could see it out of my periphery.
404
00:21:55,181 --> 00:21:57,852
And it followed me
as I ran around.
405
00:21:57,887 --> 00:22:01,988
I managed to get into
my, uh, passenger side.
406
00:22:02,023 --> 00:22:07,290
And, as he pulls off, because
there was so much gravel,
407
00:22:07,325 --> 00:22:09,930
the gravel was spinning some,
408
00:22:09,965 --> 00:22:14,165
and it was running
alongside of the car,
409
00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:18,642
looking at me, straight, you
know, straight in the eye.
410
00:22:18,677 --> 00:22:22,008
It's really hard to explain
unless you've ever had
411
00:22:22,043 --> 00:22:25,275
something that maybe
can't be explained.
412
00:22:25,310 --> 00:22:27,849
You know, that's
happened to you.
413
00:22:27,884 --> 00:22:31,457
I simply focused on the
eyes and its movement,
414
00:22:31,492 --> 00:22:34,658
because its movement
was so unusual to me.
415
00:22:34,693 --> 00:22:38,761
I really can't say how
many feet it followed,
416
00:22:38,796 --> 00:22:41,665
hopping along, beside the car.
417
00:22:41,700 --> 00:22:43,865
But, I sort of felt in danger.
418
00:22:43,900 --> 00:22:46,967
I wasn't terrified because
419
00:22:47,002 --> 00:22:50,542
nothing was going into my
head the way it should.
420
00:22:50,577 --> 00:22:55,173
I guess it's what happens
when you encounter something
421
00:22:55,208 --> 00:22:58,451
that you have no
parameters for what it is.
422
00:23:01,214 --> 00:23:04,886
And when I saw it,
I did kind of pause.
423
00:23:04,921 --> 00:23:09,055
I didn't freeze, but I did kind
of pause, and I looked at it.
424
00:23:09,090 --> 00:23:12,058
- Like I said, there's
weeds, wildflowers
425
00:23:12,093 --> 00:23:14,665
and other stuff that runs
right up to the corn.
426
00:23:14,700 --> 00:23:18,361
So all I could see was
from, like, thigh down,
427
00:23:18,396 --> 00:23:20,165
so I don't know what
his feet look like.
428
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,607
I don't know what its knees
look like or anything like that.
429
00:23:23,467 --> 00:23:25,742
But, I saw its torso.
430
00:23:25,777 --> 00:23:28,173
It... But, when it
turned and looked at me,
431
00:23:28,208 --> 00:23:32,914
it just looked like it
had this massive chest.
432
00:23:32,949 --> 00:23:34,685
So I take off across Route 4.
433
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:37,688
So, I'm, I'm gunning
it as fast as I can.
434
00:23:37,723 --> 00:23:41,527
This thing has dropped to
all fours and is chasing me.
435
00:23:41,562 --> 00:23:43,628
As I'm getting closer
to my buddy's house,
436
00:23:43,663 --> 00:23:46,829
I knew that they had
an in-ground pool.
437
00:23:46,864 --> 00:23:49,634
And they had a fence
around, a chain link fence.
438
00:23:49,669 --> 00:23:54,133
But as I'm getting closer, I
look and I see the gates shut.
439
00:23:54,168 --> 00:23:56,036
I was like, "Oh."
440
00:23:56,071 --> 00:23:58,236
And I know if this
thing is following me,
441
00:23:58,271 --> 00:24:00,623
my only options is, I'm just
going to have to jump the fence.
442
00:24:00,647 --> 00:24:04,308
- So I jump and I throw my
feet up like in the air,
443
00:24:04,343 --> 00:24:06,475
like the old Fosbury
flop high jump.
444
00:24:06,510 --> 00:24:09,346
And I put my hand on the top of
the fence and it was scalloped.
445
00:24:09,381 --> 00:24:10,446
I remember this.
446
00:24:10,481 --> 00:24:12,624
It had those,
y'know, the scallops.
447
00:24:12,659 --> 00:24:15,792
And I pushed it down and when I
did, and then it popped back up,
448
00:24:15,827 --> 00:24:18,828
it just slashed me
right across my side.
449
00:24:18,863 --> 00:24:23,965
I land in like a stumbling motion, and
I just dive headfirst into the pool.
450
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,132
- And I'm blowing out my
breath and I am going down
451
00:24:26,167 --> 00:24:30,103
and I can feel it, I can still feel it,
sliding out the pool. It was ten feet deep.
452
00:24:30,138 --> 00:24:32,171
I'm sliding down.
453
00:24:32,206 --> 00:24:34,844
I blow all the air out
and I get to the bottom.
454
00:24:34,879 --> 00:24:40,685
And I somehow pinch my nose and I look up
and I am fully expecting to see this thing,
455
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:43,655
with the rolled shoulders
and the dog head,
456
00:24:43,690 --> 00:24:46,449
and the big chest sitting
on the side of the pool.
457
00:24:48,552 --> 00:24:51,465
But it seemed like a long time, I was
on the bottom pool and I'm looking up,
458
00:24:51,489 --> 00:24:52,565
and I'm looking up
459
00:24:53,865 --> 00:24:55,524
and I don't see anything.
460
00:24:55,559 --> 00:24:58,197
So I'm like, "Oh, my God."
461
00:24:58,232 --> 00:25:00,936
I climb up out of
the pool and I run.
462
00:25:00,971 --> 00:25:04,434
And I rip that door
open as hard as I can.
463
00:25:04,469 --> 00:25:09,307
And my buddy was sitting
there, he screams and I scream.
464
00:25:09,342 --> 00:25:11,474
And I slammed the door.
465
00:25:12,180 --> 00:25:13,542
And I remember screaming,
466
00:25:13,577 --> 00:25:15,257
"Turn the lights out,
turn the lights out."
467
00:25:15,986 --> 00:25:17,656
And he has no idea
what's going on.
468
00:25:17,691 --> 00:25:20,791
So we turn the lights out and
I'm just looking out the windows.
469
00:25:20,826 --> 00:25:24,388
I'm looking out the windows,
thinking, "Is this thing out there?"
470
00:25:29,098 --> 00:25:31,868
- The next night, I
played cards with guys
471
00:25:31,903 --> 00:25:33,804
on the basketball team,
472
00:25:33,839 --> 00:25:35,905
and I told them the story.
473
00:25:35,940 --> 00:25:38,204
But I did not tell
them what I saw.
474
00:25:38,239 --> 00:25:42,043
I vividly remember,
um, the next night.
475
00:25:42,078 --> 00:25:43,814
We were at a friend's house.
476
00:25:43,849 --> 00:25:47,543
So we're all in the garage,
outside, playing cards.
477
00:25:47,578 --> 00:25:50,392
It was a... It was a bunch of us guys,
that went to high school together.
478
00:25:50,416 --> 00:25:53,923
And he's telling the
story about outrunning,
479
00:25:53,958 --> 00:25:57,795
and having something pacing
him in the cornfield.
480
00:25:57,830 --> 00:26:03,867
We... We were all teammates, and what teammates
do is we give each other a bunch of crap.
481
00:26:03,902 --> 00:26:06,870
He probably already got
enough crap from us as it was,
482
00:26:06,905 --> 00:26:08,971
so he didn't want
to get any more.
483
00:26:09,006 --> 00:26:14,207
And... And you don't want to be called
crazy, y'know, but he did tell us the story.
484
00:26:14,242 --> 00:26:16,407
I remember the story
and he's asking, like,
485
00:26:16,442 --> 00:26:18,915
"What do you guys
think this was?"
486
00:26:18,950 --> 00:26:23,689
And, nobody had an answer.
487
00:26:23,724 --> 00:26:27,220
- When I did the research, I
found out that on Flickinger Road
488
00:26:27,255 --> 00:26:29,860
to just down on Flickinger Road,
489
00:26:29,895 --> 00:26:32,555
is at least two
Indian burial grounds.
490
00:26:32,590 --> 00:26:37,461
So, that made me start thinking
in a, in a totally different way
491
00:26:37,496 --> 00:26:39,232
than what I always thought.
492
00:26:39,267 --> 00:26:43,236
For years I had thought, this
is a flesh and blood creature.
493
00:26:43,271 --> 00:26:45,502
That it's wolf-like or dog-like,
494
00:26:45,537 --> 00:26:48,439
and no one seems to catch them
because they are really fast.
495
00:26:48,474 --> 00:26:50,749
They're really smart,
they're really stealthy.
496
00:26:50,784 --> 00:26:56,315
Now my mindset has switched to, um, "I
think these are supernatural creatures."
497
00:26:57,483 --> 00:26:59,351
That's my opinion.
498
00:26:59,386 --> 00:27:03,520
I revisited where this happened
about a year and a half ago.
499
00:27:03,555 --> 00:27:04,829
I hadn't been...
500
00:27:04,864 --> 00:27:08,899
I hadn't been back in
those many, many years.
501
00:27:08,934 --> 00:27:11,627
- I found out there's
Indian mounds there.
502
00:27:11,662 --> 00:27:18,711
Adena Indians, which are very, were
very common in this part of Ohio.
503
00:27:18,746 --> 00:27:22,407
I've read, where your
Dogman, for some reason,
504
00:27:22,442 --> 00:27:26,279
are found or seen frequently
505
00:27:26,314 --> 00:27:27,720
where there's Indian mounds,
506
00:27:28,613 --> 00:27:30,184
so I don't know.
507
00:27:30,219 --> 00:27:33,121
Y'know, I just, I don't
know what to say to that.
508
00:27:33,156 --> 00:27:38,060
- If you believe the aspect
of a Dogman, werewolf creature
509
00:27:38,095 --> 00:27:41,657
being more supernatural
than natural,
510
00:27:41,692 --> 00:27:47,630
you can't hardly go any, anywhere here
and not have a Native American settlement.
511
00:27:47,665 --> 00:27:53,977
It just lends itself to that
angle of these creatures
512
00:27:54,012 --> 00:27:59,312
being y'know, the guardians of
the Native American burial mounds,
513
00:27:59,347 --> 00:28:00,610
or grounds.
514
00:28:07,322 --> 00:28:10,719
My name is Adam
Davis, and I've...
515
00:28:10,754 --> 00:28:14,228
After personal experiences,
initially with Dogman,
516
00:28:14,263 --> 00:28:20,531
I've been a researcher since about,
officially since, about 2005.
517
00:28:20,566 --> 00:28:27,439
The... My initial, actual sighting
was in 2005, back in October 19th.
518
00:28:27,474 --> 00:28:33,412
After we had initially
started hearing about
519
00:28:33,447 --> 00:28:37,647
different howling reports
of everything out around
520
00:28:37,682 --> 00:28:40,958
uh, the Germantown and
Liberty, Ohio area.
521
00:28:44,458 --> 00:28:48,196
My girlfriend and I decided to
go out to Anthony Road and...
522
00:28:49,529 --> 00:28:51,562
And to see if we
could find any tracks.
523
00:28:52,598 --> 00:28:54,400
And as we crossed the bridge,
524
00:28:55,843 --> 00:28:58,107
I was doing my usual thing,
525
00:28:58,142 --> 00:29:00,241
looking down at the sandbars.
526
00:29:00,276 --> 00:29:02,078
Y'know, to see if there
was anything there.
527
00:29:02,113 --> 00:29:04,080
I didn't see any tracks.
528
00:29:04,115 --> 00:29:07,853
Because sometimes we would
see tracks in the sand bars.
529
00:29:07,888 --> 00:29:13,419
And we got across the bridge and
it kind of takes a little turn.
530
00:29:13,454 --> 00:29:16,752
And down, down a
little downhill.
531
00:29:16,787 --> 00:29:21,394
And, I tell her to stop
because I see something black,
532
00:29:21,429 --> 00:29:24,232
over on the right
hand side of the road.
533
00:29:24,267 --> 00:29:26,102
I was... You know...
534
00:29:26,137 --> 00:29:29,798
I was on the passenger
side, so it was on my side.
535
00:29:29,833 --> 00:29:32,977
And, I was... Because I
was looking in the mud
536
00:29:33,012 --> 00:29:35,848
and silt and everything, to
see if there was any tracks.
537
00:29:39,018 --> 00:29:43,581
I get out and I go over
to it and I look at it.
538
00:29:43,616 --> 00:29:45,616
And I realize it's an
article of clothing.
539
00:29:45,651 --> 00:29:51,589
It was a pair of pants, of women's
brand of pants, in a petite size.
540
00:29:51,624 --> 00:29:53,525
And I pick them up and
I'm looking at them.
541
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:59,564
And there's silt on the back of the
pants from where they had lain...
542
00:29:59,599 --> 00:30:06,439
lain against the dampness of the ground,
and they were slightly damp from the rain.
543
00:30:06,474 --> 00:30:12,885
And then I took them and turned them
around, and I realized that it was...
544
00:30:20,026 --> 00:30:21,487
I realized
545
00:30:21,522 --> 00:30:23,687
that the front of the pants...
546
00:30:23,722 --> 00:30:25,425
were just like,
totally shredded.
547
00:30:27,429 --> 00:30:29,066
And matted with blood.
548
00:30:29,101 --> 00:30:33,499
And it was not dried
blood or anything.
549
00:30:33,534 --> 00:30:35,336
It was just congealing.
550
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:37,338
I look across the road,
551
00:30:38,737 --> 00:30:42,541
and I see red fabric.
552
00:30:42,576 --> 00:30:46,952
So, I mean, at this point
in time, it was kind of...
553
00:30:46,987 --> 00:30:51,253
And I really was starting to
put together what I'm seeing.
554
00:30:51,288 --> 00:30:55,521
And, y'know, as I'm looking
at it, I walk across the road
555
00:30:55,556 --> 00:31:00,130
and I find a sweater
and a... and a T shirt
556
00:31:00,165 --> 00:31:02,198
that are still partially
inside of each other.
557
00:31:04,004 --> 00:31:09,040
I looked... and I looked at it and
there was blood there on the sweater.
558
00:31:09,075 --> 00:31:11,009
But the T-shirt was worse.
559
00:31:11,044 --> 00:31:13,913
It was shredded and
matted with blood,
560
00:31:15,048 --> 00:31:18,181
and I called the police.
561
00:31:18,216 --> 00:31:21,052
I got ahold of dispatch and
told them what we found.
562
00:31:22,220 --> 00:31:25,287
And, this is what
really kills me.
563
00:31:27,093 --> 00:31:29,291
They laughed it off.
564
00:31:29,326 --> 00:31:33,460
They said, "Oh, it's probably just someone's
trash that, that they left out there."
565
00:31:33,495 --> 00:31:35,363
It's nothing. Don't
worry about it.
566
00:31:38,269 --> 00:31:42,106
So, I told my girlfriend, "We're
going to go to the house."
567
00:31:42,141 --> 00:31:44,438
"We're going to get a bag
and come back for this."
568
00:31:44,473 --> 00:31:47,903
Because we didn't have
anything to put it in.
569
00:31:47,938 --> 00:31:52,578
It was maybe ten minutes from
there to the house and back.
570
00:31:52,613 --> 00:31:55,713
We got back, those
clothes were gone.
571
00:31:58,421 --> 00:32:01,818
They had taken a vehicle
and driven over the places
572
00:32:01,853 --> 00:32:05,756
where those clothes were laying,
where there was an imprint in the mud,
573
00:32:05,791 --> 00:32:08,924
or any trace of blood
because they were, the...
574
00:32:08,959 --> 00:32:12,631
the sweater and the
T-shirt were laying in...
575
00:32:12,666 --> 00:32:15,172
on the edge of the road
in the, in the tall grass.
576
00:32:16,802 --> 00:32:24,802
In 2015, I wind up meeting up
with this guy from Hamilton.
577
00:32:24,843 --> 00:32:30,451
He was telling us how he had been, y'
know, looking at anomalous, reports,
578
00:32:30,486 --> 00:32:36,325
and everything, where he was getting
descriptions of oversize, heeded prints.
579
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,955
He said he was basically
going from house to house,
580
00:32:39,990 --> 00:32:44,300
through the Germantown dam area,
y'know, where there were...
581
00:32:44,335 --> 00:32:47,303
Where there's houses along
the edge of the park.
582
00:32:47,338 --> 00:32:50,306
And, he came to this one family
583
00:32:50,341 --> 00:32:54,937
that said that in
2000... April 2006,
584
00:32:54,972 --> 00:32:58,578
their daughter went out one
morning, to go out jogging
585
00:32:58,613 --> 00:33:04,155
like she usually would do,
and she never came back.
586
00:33:04,190 --> 00:33:10,293
She went out jogging along Anthony Road,
and up around the backside of the dam.
587
00:33:10,328 --> 00:33:14,495
I just dropped to my
knees when I heard this.
588
00:33:14,530 --> 00:33:17,696
I mean, it was confirmation, but it was
like the worst kind of confirmation.
589
00:33:21,339 --> 00:33:27,475
There was no question in my mind
that if it was something that he...
590
00:33:27,510 --> 00:33:29,576
It was a Dogman that did that.
591
00:33:29,611 --> 00:33:33,943
Because, first of all,
what would have happened?
592
00:33:33,978 --> 00:33:37,320
What would have happened
to the body otherwise?
593
00:33:37,355 --> 00:33:41,786
The body was gone. The
clothes were shredded.
594
00:33:41,821 --> 00:33:45,196
There's no bear out there.
There's no cougars out there.
595
00:33:45,231 --> 00:33:47,528
There's no natural predators
that would do that.
596
00:33:47,563 --> 00:33:50,564
And there is, from what
I've heard of other reports,
597
00:33:50,599 --> 00:33:55,239
there are the reports of
the where they will, y'know,
598
00:33:55,274 --> 00:33:59,408
essentially shred off the clothes
off of a human in an attack.
599
00:33:59,443 --> 00:34:02,411
The LBLO case is one of them.
600
00:34:02,446 --> 00:34:08,010
If... from the Land Between
the Lakes back in '82.
601
00:34:08,045 --> 00:34:12,454
That... They said that the
victims were pretty much disrobed
602
00:34:12,489 --> 00:34:14,390
of their clothes, they
were just shredded off.
603
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:18,955
And I've heard of other reports.
604
00:34:18,990 --> 00:34:22,959
Where there were attacks or
at least alleged attacks.
605
00:34:29,099 --> 00:34:30,604
- Ah, there is a
great deal of fear
606
00:34:30,639 --> 00:34:33,244
inherent within these
particular encounters.
607
00:34:33,279 --> 00:34:38,447
It is as if a very
intelligent animal
608
00:34:38,482 --> 00:34:41,747
is evaluating you.
609
00:34:41,782 --> 00:34:44,948
I've heard reports of
people seeing them,
610
00:34:44,983 --> 00:34:48,787
just watching them from the trees
and making no other kind of movement.
611
00:34:48,822 --> 00:34:54,397
Um, I also have taken reports from people
that have claimed that they've heard them
612
00:34:54,432 --> 00:34:57,730
coming up onto the porch
and trying the doorknob.
613
00:34:57,765 --> 00:35:02,636
Or, y'know, even more uncanny,
trying to call them outside.
614
00:35:02,671 --> 00:35:05,309
These are the things that
that raise the hackles
615
00:35:05,344 --> 00:35:07,773
on the neck and goose
bumps and everything else.
616
00:35:07,808 --> 00:35:11,249
But, we are definitely dealing
with not just an animal,
617
00:35:11,284 --> 00:35:12,778
we're dealing with
something here
618
00:35:12,813 --> 00:35:15,011
that has a particular
intelligence to it.
619
00:35:15,046 --> 00:35:18,652
- Ah, but from all the encounters
that I've... that I've taken notes on
620
00:35:18,687 --> 00:35:22,425
and the eyewitnesses I have
investigated, and spoken with,
621
00:35:22,460 --> 00:35:23,954
um, it's never a
pleasant encounter.
622
00:35:23,989 --> 00:35:27,155
You don't come out of this
feeling enlivened in any way.
623
00:35:27,190 --> 00:35:28,464
Encounters with dogmen,
624
00:35:28,499 --> 00:35:30,598
encounters with these
werewolf type beings,
625
00:35:30,633 --> 00:35:34,162
is something that, um, is
the stuff of nightmares.
626
00:35:34,197 --> 00:35:35,702
Again, people have asked me,
627
00:35:35,737 --> 00:35:39,101
"What happens whenever you
encounter these things?"
628
00:35:39,136 --> 00:35:41,004
Well, we really
don't know, do we?
629
00:35:41,039 --> 00:35:44,513
I mean, a lot of people go missing
and are never heard from again.
630
00:35:44,548 --> 00:35:47,549
So, it might have been an encounter
with one of these creatures.
631
00:36:09,375 --> 00:36:10,671
Land Between the Lakes
632
00:36:10,706 --> 00:36:13,377
is the largest inland
peninsula in America.
633
00:36:13,412 --> 00:36:15,511
And it wasn't always like that.
634
00:36:15,546 --> 00:36:18,976
It used to be a much smaller trickle of
water coming through a couple of rivers.
635
00:36:19,011 --> 00:36:21,286
It used to be called,
Between the Rivers.
636
00:36:21,321 --> 00:36:24,553
And for whatever reason,
they flooded the areas
637
00:36:24,588 --> 00:36:27,391
and made Lake Barkley
and Lake Kentucky.
638
00:36:27,426 --> 00:36:30,724
And that caused the creation
of Land Between the Lakes.
639
00:36:30,759 --> 00:36:32,990
You got that large inland
peninsula, in America.
640
00:36:33,025 --> 00:36:36,158
There are over 200 cemeteries in
Land Between the Lakes, y'know.
641
00:36:36,193 --> 00:36:40,030
It's got, really a dark history because
you know a lot of people's homes,
642
00:36:40,065 --> 00:36:43,066
when they were getting the area ready,
they ran them out of their homes.
643
00:36:43,101 --> 00:36:45,376
The government threatened
them in one way or another.
644
00:36:48,513 --> 00:36:52,845
There is a lot of dark history
with this land, and I believe
645
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,518
there's even a lot of cemeteries
that are under water now.
646
00:36:55,553 --> 00:36:58,422
You can still go across the land
and find people's old homesteads,
647
00:36:58,457 --> 00:37:01,755
where you can see the
evidence where they...
648
00:37:01,790 --> 00:37:05,297
they took over the area by
I reckon, eminent domain.
649
00:37:07,466 --> 00:37:10,434
Since the 1700s, before
they flooded everything,
650
00:37:10,469 --> 00:37:12,238
French explorers were
coming through the regions,
651
00:37:12,262 --> 00:37:15,098
and they would report that there
were Rougarous in the region.
652
00:37:16,002 --> 00:37:18,002
Basically a French werewolf.
653
00:37:18,037 --> 00:37:20,587
Y'know, they were very superstitious
about that kind of thing back then.
654
00:37:20,611 --> 00:37:24,140
So, they probably thought there
are werewolves in this area.
655
00:37:26,650 --> 00:37:29,552
Of all the Native
American history here,
656
00:37:29,587 --> 00:37:31,785
I don't know of all the
tribes that were here.
657
00:37:31,820 --> 00:37:33,886
But there is a legend
of the Shawnee tribes,
658
00:37:33,921 --> 00:37:37,527
that there was a Shawnee
medicine man, in the region,
659
00:37:37,562 --> 00:37:44,468
who was a skin walker and they blamed
him for some of the werewolf incidents.
660
00:37:44,503 --> 00:37:46,569
- Some, something
of that nature.
661
00:37:46,604 --> 00:37:49,902
What is so interesting
about this particular area,
662
00:37:49,937 --> 00:37:54,379
is, this was the area of
for the Woodland Indians.
663
00:37:54,414 --> 00:38:00,913
There was a wolf cult part of that culture
at one time, maybe as early as 1300.
664
00:38:00,948 --> 00:38:04,279
There's instances of
mounds being uncovered,
665
00:38:04,314 --> 00:38:09,361
where the entombed person
was made to appear as if
666
00:38:09,396 --> 00:38:12,397
it were an amalgamation
of man and wolf.
667
00:38:12,432 --> 00:38:16,324
One particular tomb had
the body wrapped in furs
668
00:38:16,359 --> 00:38:20,504
and the jaw was actually dislocated
and some of the teeth were removed,
669
00:38:20,539 --> 00:38:24,002
in order to place a
wolf snout over it.
670
00:38:24,037 --> 00:38:27,412
What was going on in this area
is really kind of strange,
671
00:38:27,447 --> 00:38:29,073
whenever you talk about this,
672
00:38:29,108 --> 00:38:32,978
this assuming of man and
wolf at the same time.
673
00:38:33,013 --> 00:38:37,488
- Because these mounds in which
this culture was a part of,
674
00:38:37,523 --> 00:38:39,622
is very near to Defiance, Ohio,
675
00:38:39,657 --> 00:38:42,152
very near to Elkhorn, Wisconsin,
676
00:38:42,187 --> 00:38:47,465
and also very close to the area
of Land Between the Lakes as well.
677
00:38:47,500 --> 00:38:48,730
- It's always seemed like
678
00:38:48,765 --> 00:38:50,963
Dogman is a bit
aggressive in nature,
679
00:38:50,998 --> 00:38:54,967
because you hear so many stories of people
that see it and it chases them out of an area.
680
00:38:55,002 --> 00:38:59,510
Uh, but, there are multiple sightings,
up from here in the region where people
681
00:38:59,545 --> 00:39:04,647
just see it run across the trail or it doesn't
chase them, y'know, they'll just see it.
682
00:39:04,682 --> 00:39:06,308
It seems to be there's
683
00:39:06,343 --> 00:39:08,750
a physical creature of
some kind, uh, y'know.
684
00:39:08,785 --> 00:39:10,686
We find footprints
in the region.
685
00:39:10,721 --> 00:39:14,591
A gentleman's seen a mother Dogman
and pups run across the roads.
686
00:39:14,626 --> 00:39:18,056
So, there seems to be some kind of
biological animal, in the region.
687
00:39:18,091 --> 00:39:19,574
- Everything that
we can find, y'know.
688
00:39:19,598 --> 00:39:21,400
You have families that
are physically attacked.
689
00:39:21,424 --> 00:39:27,505
And, people that come up missing,
people supposedly eating upon.
690
00:39:27,540 --> 00:39:30,200
It's alive, it's
aggressive. It needs to eat.
691
00:39:38,749 --> 00:39:41,211
We had just moved. I
was married at the time.
692
00:39:41,246 --> 00:39:43,752
And my now ex-wife,
693
00:39:43,787 --> 00:39:47,657
we had moved into this little
trailer, out in the country.
694
00:39:47,692 --> 00:39:49,527
We were freshly married,
695
00:39:49,562 --> 00:39:51,265
engaged, getting ready to
get married at the time.
696
00:39:51,289 --> 00:39:53,531
We got married,
right as we moved in.
697
00:39:53,566 --> 00:39:55,225
And so it was our first.
698
00:39:55,260 --> 00:39:56,699
Our first place together.
699
00:39:56,734 --> 00:39:59,097
Moved in, it was
peaceful and affordable
700
00:39:59,132 --> 00:40:02,001
and we were young and poor and
didn't have a lot of money then.
701
00:40:02,036 --> 00:40:05,037
So it, it was in our budget.
702
00:40:05,072 --> 00:40:06,940
And we had never...
703
00:40:06,975 --> 00:40:10,438
never had any inkling
going in there?
704
00:40:10,473 --> 00:40:13,342
There was none of that feeling
when we were looking at the place.
705
00:40:17,722 --> 00:40:20,316
So I mean there, there was a lot
of history through that area,
706
00:40:20,351 --> 00:40:24,760
but there was, no, there was... There was
slavery there, there was Union occupation.
707
00:40:24,795 --> 00:40:28,423
Ah, you know, there was, there was
deaths in the area, and it was very old.
708
00:40:28,458 --> 00:40:31,932
And it, it was Native American
land at one point in time, too.
709
00:40:31,967 --> 00:40:35,936
And we were, we were
settled in and...
710
00:40:35,971 --> 00:40:39,940
I'm guessing within, like a month,
things started to get different.
711
00:40:39,975 --> 00:40:44,472
You had... During the day, it
was very peaceful and serene,
712
00:40:44,507 --> 00:40:47,277
very rural, country setting.
713
00:40:47,312 --> 00:40:51,050
At night, from the time the sun went
down, from dusk until about 4 a.m.,
714
00:40:51,085 --> 00:40:52,887
there was just this
different vibe.
715
00:40:52,922 --> 00:40:56,957
And we would, ah...
716
00:40:56,992 --> 00:40:58,629
feel this different.
717
00:40:58,664 --> 00:41:00,928
You would just walk outside
and it would just initiate
718
00:41:00,963 --> 00:41:03,997
this extreme, instant
fight or flight response.
719
00:41:04,032 --> 00:41:06,934
Ah... mostly flight.
There was no fight
720
00:41:06,969 --> 00:41:09,497
and you just didn't
want to be out there.
721
00:41:09,532 --> 00:41:16,240
Then, we would go into this... start hearing
noises and scratches outside the house.
722
00:41:16,275 --> 00:41:19,045
You would see from the
old cemetery in homestead,
723
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:22,983
which was next to
where we lived.
724
00:41:23,018 --> 00:41:27,790
Ah, we started seeing red glowing eyes, and
they would be seven to eight feet in the air.
725
00:41:27,825 --> 00:41:32,564
And... the shadow that
you've seen was bipedal,
726
00:41:32,599 --> 00:41:36,095
and it almost looked like
a... like a giant canine.
727
00:41:36,130 --> 00:41:39,934
It didn't have any, you
know, human features to it.
728
00:41:39,969 --> 00:41:43,971
And seven to eight feet
tall, very broad shouldered.
729
00:41:44,006 --> 00:41:49,713
And it had this, had this...
canine-looking head to it.
730
00:41:49,748 --> 00:41:53,508
It didn't... you know, it just
did look like a giant dog.
731
00:41:53,543 --> 00:41:59,888
And... the very first time that I...
that I heard, heard anything, um...
732
00:41:59,923 --> 00:42:03,661
We had gone, gone grocery
shopping on Friday night,
733
00:42:03,696 --> 00:42:07,489
gone out to eat, come home, put
everything away, went to bed.
734
00:42:07,524 --> 00:42:10,734
And when we were lying
in bed, and this,
735
00:42:10,769 --> 00:42:14,463
this raking of claws was
going on, right outside
736
00:42:14,498 --> 00:42:18,071
outside of the house
in the bedroom.
737
00:42:18,106 --> 00:42:23,978
I just, I refused to go out. We
just rode it out, let it go, and...
738
00:42:24,013 --> 00:42:29,181
We went out the next morning, and the...
from the area, you could hear the noise
739
00:42:29,216 --> 00:42:33,515
from what's probably, you know, seven
to eight feet up off the ground.
740
00:42:33,550 --> 00:42:35,957
And, and there were no
claw marks or anything,
741
00:42:35,992 --> 00:42:39,323
but we heard definitely raking
of claws, the whole night long.
742
00:42:39,358 --> 00:42:43,932
And then shortly after that, ah,
we were, we were in the kitchen
743
00:42:43,967 --> 00:42:46,495
and, and noticed the
glowing eyes in the woods.
744
00:42:46,530 --> 00:42:49,366
And then we stepped out on
the front to look and...
745
00:42:49,401 --> 00:42:53,436
And you could just see it sitting
there watching and just observing us.
746
00:42:53,471 --> 00:42:56,076
And it would just do that
every once in a while.
747
00:42:56,749 --> 00:42:59,508
The, the most...
748
00:42:59,543 --> 00:43:03,215
The most common thing that
it did all the time was this.
749
00:43:03,250 --> 00:43:08,055
This energy that it put off, it just inundated
your senses with instant fight or flight.
750
00:43:08,090 --> 00:43:12,125
And, and you could tell, the
sun went down to about 4 a.m.
751
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:15,293
You just dealt with that. And
if you went outside the house,
752
00:43:15,328 --> 00:43:17,559
it, it just overwhelmed you.
753
00:43:17,594 --> 00:43:21,629
It was very, it was the most intense
thing I've ever experienced in my life.
754
00:43:21,664 --> 00:43:26,073
It would be, it didn't do this every
night. It would be gone for a few days,
755
00:43:26,108 --> 00:43:27,635
and then it would come back.
756
00:43:27,670 --> 00:43:30,814
And I don't know if we were
just on part of its route,
757
00:43:30,849 --> 00:43:33,443
and that whole area
was its territory.
758
00:43:33,478 --> 00:43:39,823
Ah, but every time... we saw the eyes,
it was always in the old homestead
759
00:43:39,858 --> 00:43:43,024
at the old family cemetery.
It is where it always was.
760
00:43:46,689 --> 00:43:51,230
My now ex-wife, then she would see things.
And I traveled for work, which I mostly do.
761
00:43:51,265 --> 00:43:55,872
And she had things happen while
I was at... I was at work.
762
00:43:55,907 --> 00:43:58,666
And it was to the point where
she was like, "We have to move.
763
00:43:58,701 --> 00:44:00,338
I can't do this anymore."
764
00:44:00,373 --> 00:44:02,109
So that's when we decided to go.
765
00:44:04,212 --> 00:44:06,751
It was extremely peaceful.
766
00:44:06,786 --> 00:44:08,984
Other than that, we
didn't have anything.
767
00:44:09,019 --> 00:44:12,988
And that was the only issues we
had the whole time we were there.
768
00:44:13,023 --> 00:44:15,694
But I mean, we lived there six
months and it made us leave.
769
00:44:16,686 --> 00:44:18,587
It was very odd.
770
00:44:18,622 --> 00:44:22,228
It was almost like it had this
ability to where it was...
771
00:44:23,968 --> 00:44:26,133
kind of real and then
kind of spiritual.
772
00:44:26,168 --> 00:44:29,774
Like it, it had some, some
physical attributes to it.
773
00:44:29,809 --> 00:44:34,812
But, the rest of it seemed very, very
supernatural and, and paranormal.
774
00:44:54,097 --> 00:44:56,691
I was 18 when I had
my first encounter.
775
00:44:56,726 --> 00:44:58,000
I was in the Bell City swamp.
776
00:44:58,035 --> 00:45:00,134
I couldn't... I
used to hunt a lot.
777
00:45:00,169 --> 00:45:03,566
Every given night available,
I was out in the woods.
778
00:45:03,601 --> 00:45:07,570
And I had heard about
something in the woods.
779
00:45:07,605 --> 00:45:10,177
Eighteen. Stupid. I
wasn't scared much.
780
00:45:10,212 --> 00:45:12,608
Took my dogs out.
781
00:45:12,643 --> 00:45:15,985
We're having a good night. We killed
five coons I think that night.
782
00:45:17,681 --> 00:45:20,385
We trailed a bobcat.
Just got off it.
783
00:45:20,420 --> 00:45:22,519
We went deeper, about
one in the morning.
784
00:45:24,721 --> 00:45:26,897
I should have known.
We didn't hear deer.
785
00:45:26,932 --> 00:45:30,263
We didn't see deer, we
didn't hear crickets.
786
00:45:30,298 --> 00:45:33,332
That's all signs of big predators
in the area. I should have known.
787
00:45:35,567 --> 00:45:37,908
I had two dogs come
back out of three.
788
00:45:37,943 --> 00:45:42,880
And when I say two come back, they
howled past me and didn't slow down.
789
00:45:42,915 --> 00:45:45,674
And these are trained coon
dogs, trained to stop.
790
00:45:45,709 --> 00:45:50,514
I was worried because the one that
was missing was worth about $1500,
791
00:45:50,549 --> 00:45:52,285
and she was my prize dog.
792
00:45:53,255 --> 00:45:54,485
So I went in looking.
793
00:45:57,127 --> 00:45:58,588
A smell hit me.
794
00:46:01,296 --> 00:46:05,496
I've been around dead animals. I've been
around carcasses. I know what they smell like.
795
00:46:07,269 --> 00:46:10,105
It smelled like rotting
meat and a wet dog.
796
00:46:11,944 --> 00:46:14,472
The growl that coming
out of this animal...
797
00:46:17,444 --> 00:46:19,081
hit me in my bones.
798
00:46:19,116 --> 00:46:22,183
Just you won't forget it
if you could trust me.
799
00:46:23,252 --> 00:46:25,956
I had light touched my hat.
800
00:46:25,991 --> 00:46:30,389
When I flung it around, I
hit something in the eyes
801
00:46:30,424 --> 00:46:33,458
that was standing seven and a half
feet off the ground at the eyes.
802
00:46:34,494 --> 00:46:38,166
Black fur... Head like a wolf.
803
00:46:38,201 --> 00:46:39,530
Plenty of hairs on top.
804
00:46:40,797 --> 00:46:42,197
I didn't know what
I was looking at.
805
00:46:43,668 --> 00:46:45,701
Here I am on the
double-barrel 20 gauge.
806
00:46:46,605 --> 00:46:47,846
I'm outgunned, I know it.
807
00:46:48,871 --> 00:46:50,343
I eased away...
808
00:46:51,984 --> 00:46:53,808
backwards, trying to
get away from it...
809
00:46:54,877 --> 00:46:58,747
and... it stepped off.
810
00:46:58,782 --> 00:47:01,783
Like it didn't want
to be in the light.
811
00:47:01,818 --> 00:47:03,323
I tried to keep my eye on it.
812
00:47:05,162 --> 00:47:07,690
And it was gone.
813
00:47:07,725 --> 00:47:11,298
I've never seen anything move that
quick. I mean, it was there. It's gone.
814
00:47:11,333 --> 00:47:13,201
I took off for the truck.
815
00:47:13,236 --> 00:47:15,907
And when I got back, the
truck was facing the woods.
816
00:47:17,273 --> 00:47:18,569
My dogs went back.
817
00:47:19,473 --> 00:47:22,474
They beat me to the truck.
818
00:47:22,509 --> 00:47:27,545
When I turned the headlights on to turn the
truck around, it was standing in the edge.
819
00:47:27,580 --> 00:47:29,921
Like it had followed
me up until I left.
820
00:47:29,956 --> 00:47:33,155
I've been around enough animals
to know if it's got claws
821
00:47:33,190 --> 00:47:36,224
and it's got teeth shaped like
that. It, it don't eat plants.
822
00:47:37,788 --> 00:47:40,393
It's got big canine teeth,
and it's got big, sharp claws.
823
00:47:40,428 --> 00:47:43,165
It did not go around
munching on blackberries.
824
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:47,202
My blue tip coon hound
found a bloody car.
825
00:47:47,237 --> 00:47:51,437
And it was cut in three places,
and it was a solid leather strap.
826
00:47:54,574 --> 00:47:55,705
Two years ago...
827
00:47:57,082 --> 00:47:58,906
the last encounter I had,
828
00:47:58,941 --> 00:48:02,448
and the one that literally made me
sell my dogs and quit coon hunting.
829
00:48:04,551 --> 00:48:05,990
Dad called me.
830
00:48:06,025 --> 00:48:07,354
Wants me to train a couple pups.
831
00:48:08,819 --> 00:48:11,061
The problem, I've
done it all my life.
832
00:48:11,096 --> 00:48:12,854
Okay. Run them over.
833
00:48:12,889 --> 00:48:14,559
You run it out.
Run them tonight.
834
00:48:15,265 --> 00:48:17,430
We started out.
835
00:48:17,465 --> 00:48:21,104
I had old black and tan
and an old red bone.
836
00:48:22,536 --> 00:48:24,305
And Dad had his two little pups.
837
00:48:25,638 --> 00:48:27,737
Dad didn't wanna go that night.
838
00:48:27,772 --> 00:48:29,981
That's fine. I'll take him.
839
00:48:30,016 --> 00:48:33,017
It started out great,
I mean Bella hit.
840
00:48:33,052 --> 00:48:36,548
My black and tan, she
had a trail on me.
841
00:48:36,583 --> 00:48:41,190
We're off, we're both
trying to look for the ball.
842
00:48:41,225 --> 00:48:46,954
That little bit of red bone that
he had on a section of horse jaw,
843
00:48:46,989 --> 00:48:51,134
I'm guessing around 6-8 inches.
844
00:48:51,169 --> 00:48:52,169
Had teeth in it.
845
00:48:53,798 --> 00:48:57,371
I felt that was kind
of funny. No feelings.
846
00:48:57,406 --> 00:49:01,507
I thought it was... so I
followed him. I come look...
847
00:49:02,147 --> 00:49:03,147
on...
848
00:49:05,150 --> 00:49:07,876
I think it was a whole skeleton.
849
00:49:07,911 --> 00:49:12,650
The bones were some
chewed up and mutilated.
850
00:49:12,685 --> 00:49:17,127
I could make out a skull, the
pelvis, some ribs, and the fingers.
851
00:49:18,328 --> 00:49:21,824
And the skull was in
about 33, 34 pieces.
852
00:49:22,860 --> 00:49:24,200
That put me on alert.
853
00:49:25,368 --> 00:49:28,798
But, predators tear up bones.
854
00:49:28,833 --> 00:49:32,637
No big deal. Coyote's chew them,
squirrels chew them, calcium.
855
00:49:32,672 --> 00:49:35,178
Pups wouldn't listen.
I wanted to go back.
856
00:49:35,213 --> 00:49:37,906
I was not tired for the night,
anyways. They didn't quit.
857
00:49:39,184 --> 00:49:40,744
My big dog was still on a trail.
858
00:49:40,779 --> 00:49:45,089
She wouldn't cut off, so
I had to go in at him.
859
00:49:45,124 --> 00:49:50,358
Even farther and farther I
went, the more bones I found.
860
00:49:50,393 --> 00:49:53,955
And, I come upon the pups and they
were just laying on the ground.
861
00:49:53,990 --> 00:49:54,990
Flat. Just...
862
00:49:57,103 --> 00:50:03,371
Wouldn't move... The dog was between
me and something in front of me.
863
00:50:04,374 --> 00:50:06,968
Growling. Bristled up.
864
00:50:07,003 --> 00:50:10,378
Snarling, acting like
I've never seen her act.
865
00:50:10,413 --> 00:50:12,677
The growl that I
heard that night...
866
00:50:13,581 --> 00:50:14,877
It was like you could feel it.
867
00:50:16,980 --> 00:50:18,914
It was, it came from its gut.
868
00:50:27,463 --> 00:50:29,166
I was 15 yards from it.
869
00:50:30,367 --> 00:50:32,026
It was massive.
870
00:50:35,405 --> 00:50:37,405
I was close enough
when he could,
871
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:40,078
when he'd sniff, you could
see his nose wrinkle up.
872
00:50:41,741 --> 00:50:43,708
That's way too close.
873
00:50:44,909 --> 00:50:46,546
Way too close.
874
00:50:46,581 --> 00:50:49,076
I've always been told, like
most kids in Southern areas,
875
00:50:49,111 --> 00:50:52,849
"Be careful, there's
Panthers in the woods and..."
876
00:50:52,884 --> 00:50:55,489
I mean, this is Western
Kentucky. We don't have bear,
877
00:50:55,524 --> 00:50:58,888
but every now and then, because they
wander up out of Tennessee, but...
878
00:50:58,923 --> 00:51:02,661
I've faced predators,
879
00:51:02,696 --> 00:51:07,600
most of your big game predators
that you have in the States.
880
00:51:07,635 --> 00:51:11,439
These things don't act like that.
You look in these thing's eyes.
881
00:51:11,474 --> 00:51:13,903
These things look like they're
trying to figure you out.
882
00:51:13,938 --> 00:51:17,338
They look like they're looking through you,
trying to figure out what your next move is
883
00:51:18,283 --> 00:51:19,447
so they can get around it.
884
00:51:22,045 --> 00:51:24,221
I've been around
predators my whole life,
885
00:51:24,256 --> 00:51:28,258
and I've never seen anything
in my life like that.
886
00:51:28,293 --> 00:51:31,327
I've never seen anything look
like it had enough consciousness
887
00:51:31,362 --> 00:51:32,988
to know what you might do.
888
00:51:35,663 --> 00:51:37,828
I think that scares me
as much as seeing them.
889
00:51:40,162 --> 00:51:41,436
This one wasn't scared.
890
00:51:42,868 --> 00:51:44,208
This one wasn't curious.
891
00:51:46,674 --> 00:51:49,037
This one did not want me there.
892
00:51:49,072 --> 00:51:54,284
You would come up closer.
893
00:51:54,319 --> 00:51:58,618
When I cooned, I carried a double-barrel
410 and a double-barrel 20 gauge.
894
00:51:58,653 --> 00:52:01,522
Double-barreled 410.
Double-hammered old gun.
895
00:52:02,228 --> 00:52:04,591
And a .357 pistol.
896
00:52:04,626 --> 00:52:07,759
The fact that my
coon dog never moved
897
00:52:07,794 --> 00:52:09,530
didn't even faze this animal.
898
00:52:11,666 --> 00:52:13,798
She might as well been to
a piss and come along now.
899
00:52:14,768 --> 00:52:15,998
It walked...
900
00:52:17,837 --> 00:52:21,069
In a semi-circle around me
like a predatory move would.
901
00:52:23,447 --> 00:52:26,877
At this point, I
pretty much know.
902
00:52:26,912 --> 00:52:29,110
It came over, done.
903
00:52:32,522 --> 00:52:36,623
He got three quarter
of the way around me...
904
00:52:36,658 --> 00:52:41,694
in the loudest, deepest howl I've ever
heard that come from deeper in the swamp.
905
00:52:44,226 --> 00:52:45,797
His ears perked up.
906
00:52:48,032 --> 00:52:51,407
And it was like I wasn't
even there at that point.
907
00:52:51,442 --> 00:52:52,705
He held back.
908
00:52:55,072 --> 00:52:58,909
He acknowledged me by roaring at
me so loud, I ain't even gonna lie.
909
00:53:00,913 --> 00:53:04,288
I pissed my pants that
night. It scared me so bad.
910
00:53:05,588 --> 00:53:07,324
So I just threw the shotgun up.
911
00:53:07,359 --> 00:53:11,361
Well, at least I
might get blood.
912
00:53:11,396 --> 00:53:16,663
When I threw the barrels up, he cleared
the bushes behind him that were probably
913
00:53:16,698 --> 00:53:19,699
six, seven foot... and was gone.
914
00:53:20,570 --> 00:53:21,635
Foot towards the hell.
915
00:53:23,573 --> 00:53:26,871
I come home that night. I
sold 17 dogs the next morning.
916
00:53:29,447 --> 00:53:32,382
I sold all my gear except
my coon hunting light.
917
00:53:34,177 --> 00:53:37,321
And the only time I go out now
in the dark, if I'm hunting
918
00:53:37,356 --> 00:53:39,521
is if I'm around ponds
and hunting frogs.
919
00:53:40,557 --> 00:53:42,557
I do not go near
that swamp at night.
920
00:53:42,592 --> 00:53:44,559
I'll go during the day.
921
00:53:44,594 --> 00:53:46,528
I will not go at night.
922
00:53:46,563 --> 00:53:49,828
The reason I wanted to stay anonymous
is I've had people tell me I'm crazy.
923
00:53:49,863 --> 00:53:51,093
I've had people tell me...
924
00:53:52,261 --> 00:53:55,031
I'm drinking too
much, doing drugs.
925
00:53:56,298 --> 00:53:57,440
Lyin'.
926
00:53:58,069 --> 00:53:59,069
No.
927
00:53:59,609 --> 00:54:01,345
They're real.
928
00:54:01,380 --> 00:54:03,006
Science might not have
found them. But...
929
00:54:04,779 --> 00:54:05,811
don't mean nothing.
930
00:54:07,045 --> 00:54:08,484
They stay hidden for a reason.
931
00:54:18,254 --> 00:54:20,056
My name is Martin Groves.
932
00:54:21,631 --> 00:54:27,195
I had an incident in the
1990s spring turkey season,
933
00:54:27,230 --> 00:54:29,736
that kind of connected
me to the area.
934
00:54:29,771 --> 00:54:32,772
I'm a retired police
officer of 32 years.
935
00:54:32,807 --> 00:54:35,808
I've been with a local,
rural sheriff's department
936
00:54:35,843 --> 00:54:38,811
of which I have
now since retired.
937
00:54:38,846 --> 00:54:42,111
Uh, but I was with the
department for many years,
938
00:54:42,146 --> 00:54:48,656
and a uniformed patrol officer. Coming
from a... a... a police background,
939
00:54:48,691 --> 00:54:52,121
ah, it's going to ruffle a
lot of... a lot of feathers.
940
00:54:52,156 --> 00:54:56,664
The only reason why I've even come forward
at this point is one, I have retired,
941
00:54:56,699 --> 00:55:01,438
and I don't really care what people
think of me or what will be said.
942
00:55:01,473 --> 00:55:03,968
I feel like there is
something within that park...
943
00:55:06,302 --> 00:55:08,335
animal or beast,
944
00:55:08,370 --> 00:55:11,305
that is a danger to the public.
945
00:55:11,340 --> 00:55:16,849
I was told that this would be
very detrimental to any tourism
946
00:55:16,884 --> 00:55:21,150
and to anything that any
public reports coming out
947
00:55:21,185 --> 00:55:23,922
that there was any kind
of animals eating people.
948
00:55:23,957 --> 00:55:26,155
Or attacking people
within the park.
949
00:55:26,190 --> 00:55:29,224
And there has been a long time,
950
00:55:29,259 --> 00:55:32,964
standing, unwritten rule
951
00:55:32,999 --> 00:55:40,004
that they control the reports that
come outside the parks because of this.
952
00:55:40,039 --> 00:55:43,876
In the '70s, there
was a group of kids
953
00:55:43,911 --> 00:55:46,615
that disappeared up there,
then Land Between the Lakes.
954
00:55:46,650 --> 00:55:48,650
They heard a bunch
of screaming and...
955
00:55:48,685 --> 00:55:50,850
when the other group
came up to them,
956
00:55:50,885 --> 00:55:53,050
they disappeared,
never to be seen again.
957
00:55:53,085 --> 00:55:58,528
1979. That was over around
Willow Bay, the members bay area.
958
00:55:58,563 --> 00:56:01,729
There was a gentleman. He worked
in Kentucky Fish and Game.
959
00:56:01,764 --> 00:56:06,393
He said that he witnessed a Dogman
jump on a couple that was camping there
960
00:56:06,428 --> 00:56:08,065
along the shoreline,
961
00:56:08,100 --> 00:56:10,474
held them down with its hands
and biting plugs out of them,
962
00:56:10,509 --> 00:56:14,907
and they were able to confirm his
employment through the state and what not.
963
00:56:14,942 --> 00:56:20,682
Ah, you got the famed 1982 attack of the
family that was slaughtered very terrible.
964
00:56:20,717 --> 00:56:25,885
There's multiple variations of the story,
but largely they have retained the same way.
965
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:29,284
So that story boiled down
to its most basic form,
966
00:56:29,319 --> 00:56:31,957
is a family of four, came down
to the Land Between the Lakes.
967
00:56:31,992 --> 00:56:34,894
They were either in a
travel trailer or an RV.
968
00:56:34,929 --> 00:56:37,930
And they came down to do some
camping up at the northern end
969
00:56:37,965 --> 00:56:40,295
of Land Between the Lakes,
while they were, I guess,
970
00:56:40,330 --> 00:56:42,297
getting set up and
everything ready.
971
00:56:42,332 --> 00:56:46,400
A Dogman came up and literally
slaughtered the family.
972
00:56:50,307 --> 00:56:53,275
Just dispatched them
in a grisly manner.
973
00:56:53,310 --> 00:56:56,916
People came back
through, cops, ah...
974
00:56:56,951 --> 00:57:01,657
The government in some form, hikers
and they found the family dead.
975
00:57:01,692 --> 00:57:04,220
They found three bodies, but they
couldn't find the little girl.
976
00:57:04,255 --> 00:57:06,354
Anyway, there was a little
girl along with them.
977
00:57:06,389 --> 00:57:09,456
And they eventually found her
either up in the top of a tree
978
00:57:09,491 --> 00:57:12,635
or somewhere about 100
feet away from the RV.
979
00:57:12,670 --> 00:57:15,132
There is a little bit
of contention on that.
980
00:57:15,167 --> 00:57:19,004
It has become a famous story of the region,
now almost teetering on urban legend.
981
00:57:19,039 --> 00:57:21,809
And you can even find evidence
that it happened because
982
00:57:21,844 --> 00:57:24,372
the spot where it
allegedly took place,
983
00:57:24,407 --> 00:57:28,475
you can find where the light
poles are cut even to the ground.
984
00:57:28,510 --> 00:57:30,587
You can find the old RV slips.
985
00:57:30,622 --> 00:57:33,656
You can find the old
foundations for the bathhouses.
986
00:57:33,691 --> 00:57:36,153
Something seemed to
have taken place there.
987
00:57:36,188 --> 00:57:38,793
You can find the old,
the boundary stakes.
988
00:57:38,828 --> 00:57:41,389
It really looks like
something happened.
989
00:57:41,424 --> 00:57:42,456
And then...
990
00:57:43,635 --> 00:57:46,999
some government crew
or the park came in,
991
00:57:47,034 --> 00:57:49,397
tore it all up and let
nature retake itself.
992
00:57:51,907 --> 00:57:57,207
You can tell that, for once some reason
they wanted to do away with this area.
993
00:57:57,242 --> 00:58:00,309
And that, that's the most
famous story from up there.
994
00:58:00,344 --> 00:58:03,950
The next famous would probably be,
there was a bow hunter up there
995
00:58:03,985 --> 00:58:07,151
whose body was found dead
and I haven't found them yet.
996
00:58:07,186 --> 00:58:10,924
But supposedly there are documents
showing he was found in the park.
997
00:58:10,959 --> 00:58:13,696
He was dead. It
was all factual.
998
00:58:13,731 --> 00:58:16,699
When they found his body
in a soybean field over
999
00:58:16,734 --> 00:58:19,636
around where we camp
a lot, Dark Hollow.
1000
00:58:19,671 --> 00:58:20,901
His body was fed upon.
1001
00:58:24,104 --> 00:58:27,611
I'm going to be very respectful
because of the family
1002
00:58:27,646 --> 00:58:29,580
that, uh, suffered a loss.
1003
00:58:30,242 --> 00:58:31,472
A hunter was killed...
1004
00:58:32,442 --> 00:58:34,475
and was mauled to death.
1005
00:58:34,510 --> 00:58:39,183
But the official report says
it was a unknown animal.
1006
00:58:39,218 --> 00:58:40,558
Unknown species.
1007
00:58:41,418 --> 00:58:43,693
The reports...
1008
00:58:43,728 --> 00:58:46,993
that I have read, and
what I have been told
1009
00:58:47,028 --> 00:58:51,030
is that the animal was
either a cougar or a bear,
1010
00:58:51,065 --> 00:58:53,230
that had ripped the
man out of his tent.
1011
00:58:53,265 --> 00:58:56,002
And had consumed him
and pulled his body
1012
00:58:56,037 --> 00:58:58,906
three to four hundred
yards away from the tent.
1013
00:58:58,941 --> 00:59:04,241
It is my belief that I actually
had met this man the day before
1014
00:59:04,276 --> 00:59:07,145
while I was out
and was scouting.
1015
00:59:07,180 --> 00:59:09,213
And I do not know
if it was or not.
1016
00:59:09,248 --> 00:59:14,053
I do know that the man that I met
was in the same immediate area,
1017
00:59:14,088 --> 00:59:16,660
and I observed his pickup truck.
1018
00:59:16,695 --> 00:59:20,026
And there's just too many
indications to me that I believe
1019
00:59:20,061 --> 00:59:21,698
that the man that I met
1020
00:59:21,733 --> 00:59:24,261
is the same man that was pulled
out of his tent and eaten.
1021
00:59:28,003 --> 00:59:31,708
One of the common things when you're
researching Dogman is, it is strange.
1022
00:59:31,743 --> 00:59:33,143
Toward the northern
end of the parks
1023
00:59:33,173 --> 00:59:35,536
where they are at, you'll
find Dogman activity.
1024
00:59:35,571 --> 00:59:37,879
But to the southern end,
you find Bigfoot activity.
1025
00:59:37,914 --> 00:59:40,607
Dogmen in the North,
Bigfoot in the South.
1026
00:59:40,642 --> 00:59:45,051
So it does seem in some ways, there
is a, a territorial aspect to it.
1027
00:59:45,086 --> 00:59:49,286
I don't know. It could be hungry,
aggressive predator, could be territory.
1028
00:59:49,321 --> 00:59:51,662
Ah, there's a lot of factors
that could be at play.
1029
00:59:53,556 --> 00:59:58,262
In the spring of, I
believe it was 1993-94,
1030
00:59:58,297 --> 01:00:02,233
a hunting partner and myself...
1031
01:00:02,268 --> 01:00:05,104
A friend that I actually worked
at the sheriff's office with,
1032
01:00:05,139 --> 01:00:07,909
had decided to take a trip
1033
01:00:07,944 --> 01:00:10,439
into Land Between the
Lakes for turkey hunting.
1034
01:00:11,277 --> 01:00:12,749
The first night we came in,
1035
01:00:12,784 --> 01:00:16,643
we had absolutely no
problems whatsoever.
1036
01:00:16,678 --> 01:00:21,285
The next day, we both got
up and decided to take
1037
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:25,421
a small excursion,
searching for birds,
1038
01:00:25,456 --> 01:00:27,764
and we went our separate ways.
1039
01:00:27,799 --> 01:00:32,901
We had a very nice
game trail to follow,
1040
01:00:32,936 --> 01:00:36,905
and I followed for miles and
throughout the entire day.
1041
01:00:36,940 --> 01:00:39,842
At this point in
the late afternoon,
1042
01:00:41,010 --> 01:00:43,813
I had a...
1043
01:00:43,848 --> 01:00:48,411
feeling that I was being
followed inside the woods.
1044
01:00:48,446 --> 01:00:50,985
Behind me I could hear movement,
1045
01:00:51,020 --> 01:00:53,449
and I could feel a presence
1046
01:00:53,484 --> 01:00:57,651
that I did not know if it
was animal or if it was man.
1047
01:00:57,686 --> 01:01:01,127
Being an avid hunter,
I was very observant.
1048
01:01:01,162 --> 01:01:03,932
Two to 300 yards behind me,
1049
01:01:03,967 --> 01:01:05,296
on the trail behind me,
1050
01:01:05,331 --> 01:01:07,870
I could see movement
in the woods.
1051
01:01:07,905 --> 01:01:11,038
I continued through the
woods for some time,
1052
01:01:11,073 --> 01:01:15,878
and followed the game trail,
edging my way back to my camp.
1053
01:01:15,913 --> 01:01:19,376
When I did actually catch
movement in the woods
1054
01:01:19,411 --> 01:01:20,784
and I could see
1055
01:01:20,819 --> 01:01:23,952
that there was two, or
possibly three animals
1056
01:01:23,987 --> 01:01:26,823
that was tailing me,
but when I would stop,
1057
01:01:26,858 --> 01:01:29,188
the movement would
stop in the woods.
1058
01:01:29,223 --> 01:01:30,717
I continued on,
1059
01:01:30,752 --> 01:01:33,027
and as I've become
closer to my camp,
1060
01:01:34,591 --> 01:01:39,495
I could hear a distinct
knock in the woods,
1061
01:01:39,530 --> 01:01:44,874
and it would be a large boom,
1062
01:01:44,909 --> 01:01:49,571
like someone had taken an axe
or something up against a tree.
1063
01:01:49,606 --> 01:01:53,542
So, at that point, I believed
it was my hunting partner
1064
01:01:53,577 --> 01:01:55,610
and I was getting
closer to camp.
1065
01:01:55,645 --> 01:01:58,052
As I got closer to camp,
1066
01:01:58,087 --> 01:02:02,518
is when I first observed
what I believe to be
1067
01:02:02,553 --> 01:02:06,324
a man in a ghillie suit.
1068
01:02:06,359 --> 01:02:07,864
So I just wrote it off,
1069
01:02:07,899 --> 01:02:10,559
you know, I'm a,
I'm on a hot trail.
1070
01:02:10,594 --> 01:02:12,561
I just need to get back to camp.
1071
01:02:12,596 --> 01:02:15,597
Somebody is watching
me to the west of me,
1072
01:02:15,632 --> 01:02:18,402
and somebody's coming in
on a game trail behind me
1073
01:02:18,437 --> 01:02:20,437
that's an animal.
1074
01:02:20,472 --> 01:02:22,472
Something was just tagging me.
1075
01:02:23,882 --> 01:02:25,882
I finally did make
it back to camp.
1076
01:02:25,917 --> 01:02:30,315
The closer I began getting
to my camp, I heard whistles.
1077
01:02:31,857 --> 01:02:33,747
I could hear a whistle
1078
01:02:33,782 --> 01:02:38,620
that was human-like, that
was a shrill whistle.
1079
01:02:38,655 --> 01:02:40,930
I attributed a lot
of these things
1080
01:02:40,965 --> 01:02:43,966
to, 'this is my hunting
partner back in camp.'
1081
01:02:44,001 --> 01:02:45,902
'He's knocking something.'
1082
01:02:45,937 --> 01:02:48,905
'He's whistling, trying
to get me to come in,
1083
01:02:48,940 --> 01:02:50,797
'so, I came in to camp.'
1084
01:02:50,832 --> 01:02:53,140
And immediately when
I come in to camp,
1085
01:02:53,175 --> 01:02:55,945
my friend that I have
known for many years,
1086
01:02:55,980 --> 01:02:57,738
I could tell was very shook.
1087
01:02:57,773 --> 01:03:01,742
There was something not right
with my hunting partner,
1088
01:03:01,777 --> 01:03:04,316
and I said, look, I'm
sorry I've been gone.
1089
01:03:04,351 --> 01:03:08,320
He said, "It's not that. I was
a little bit worried about you,
1090
01:03:08,355 --> 01:03:12,192
"but there is something
around the camp".
1091
01:03:13,657 --> 01:03:16,064
That's when he broke
down and told me,
1092
01:03:16,099 --> 01:03:18,000
he said, "I've been
hearing whistles
1093
01:03:18,035 --> 01:03:22,499
and there is something
hitting a tree,
1094
01:03:22,534 --> 01:03:27,977
or there is maybe rocks being
clampered against the ground.
1095
01:03:28,012 --> 01:03:30,474
He did not know either.
1096
01:03:30,509 --> 01:03:32,982
We settled in, we talked
around the campfire.
1097
01:03:33,017 --> 01:03:36,183
It got dark at this point.
1098
01:03:36,218 --> 01:03:39,021
When it gets dark at
Land Between the Lakes,
1099
01:03:39,056 --> 01:03:41,485
it is dark.
1100
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:44,125
There's no car lights,
there's no street lights.
1101
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:47,557
It is as if you were
in the 1700 or 1800s.
1102
01:03:50,496 --> 01:03:52,463
We felt like we
were being pressured
1103
01:03:52,498 --> 01:03:54,465
to get out of the camp,
1104
01:03:54,500 --> 01:03:57,270
and this is when
the activity began.
1105
01:03:57,305 --> 01:03:59,833
All that was illuminated,
was our campfire,
1106
01:04:00,572 --> 01:04:02,880
and our kerosene lamp.
1107
01:04:03,872 --> 01:04:05,674
So we had a period of...
1108
01:04:05,709 --> 01:04:09,546
a distance of 15 to
20 feet at maximum
1109
01:04:09,581 --> 01:04:11,449
around the camp that
would be illuminated,
1110
01:04:11,484 --> 01:04:14,023
and then we would see shadows.
1111
01:04:14,058 --> 01:04:19,490
And I noticed what I believed
to be a man behind a tree.
1112
01:04:19,525 --> 01:04:22,856
It looked as if a person was
standing behind the tree,
1113
01:04:22,891 --> 01:04:24,396
very large tree.
1114
01:04:24,431 --> 01:04:26,101
At that point, we
were locked in.
1115
01:04:26,136 --> 01:04:29,797
We were not going to be made
to move by anything or anybody.
1116
01:04:30,470 --> 01:04:32,140
This was our camp.
1117
01:04:32,175 --> 01:04:34,175
We're staying and
we're gonna hunt here.
1118
01:04:35,937 --> 01:04:40,742
A small limb or
tree, piece of a tree
1119
01:04:40,777 --> 01:04:43,316
come flying off the
top of the cliff
1120
01:04:43,351 --> 01:04:45,285
that was raised above us.
1121
01:04:45,881 --> 01:04:47,518
The rock came,
1122
01:04:47,553 --> 01:04:51,225
and when the rock comes
so close to in between us,
1123
01:04:51,260 --> 01:04:54,426
we were standing within five
to ten foot of each other,
1124
01:04:56,859 --> 01:04:58,760
we started getting scared.
1125
01:05:00,797 --> 01:05:04,139
At one point, Harry
told me that...
1126
01:05:04,174 --> 01:05:07,076
maybe we should
get our firearms,
1127
01:05:07,111 --> 01:05:11,410
and, so he set his
shotgun closer to him.
1128
01:05:11,445 --> 01:05:14,215
My shotgun was
laying on the ground,
1129
01:05:14,250 --> 01:05:17,614
but I had a sidearm on me.
1130
01:05:17,649 --> 01:05:19,451
So, I kind of felt confident.
1131
01:05:22,555 --> 01:05:26,524
You have to imagine the darkness
and how dark that it was,
1132
01:05:26,559 --> 01:05:29,263
and how limited
vision was for us.
1133
01:05:32,532 --> 01:05:34,862
We began to get a growl
1134
01:05:34,897 --> 01:05:38,932
from where the person or
persons were standing.
1135
01:05:38,967 --> 01:05:44,377
The growl was so intense,
that it vibrated in my chest,
1136
01:05:44,412 --> 01:05:46,445
and within my partner's chest.
1137
01:05:47,580 --> 01:05:49,151
It was like a vibration.
1138
01:05:49,186 --> 01:05:52,055
It was not like a growl I had
ever heard in my life from...
1139
01:05:52,849 --> 01:05:53,947
I've been around bears,
1140
01:05:53,982 --> 01:05:57,027
I've been around
pigs, charging boars.
1141
01:05:57,062 --> 01:06:00,195
I've been around all
different kinds of animals.
1142
01:06:00,230 --> 01:06:02,857
This was a growl like
I had never heard.
1143
01:06:04,465 --> 01:06:07,994
All my life, I've been
trained not to be afraid.
1144
01:06:08,029 --> 01:06:12,372
I've been trained to attack
anything that comes into vision
1145
01:06:12,407 --> 01:06:14,770
if you perceive
it to be a danger,
1146
01:06:14,805 --> 01:06:18,004
I could not do
anything. It just is...
1147
01:06:18,039 --> 01:06:21,744
It was as if I was this child
and I was five years old,
1148
01:06:21,779 --> 01:06:24,054
and I was scared of a
monster in the dark,
1149
01:06:24,089 --> 01:06:30,852
and I noticed that my
partner was totally frozen.
1150
01:06:30,887 --> 01:06:32,491
He was not moving.
1151
01:06:32,526 --> 01:06:34,163
He was breathing fast.
1152
01:06:35,892 --> 01:06:38,266
At one point I've seen
his shoulders slump,
1153
01:06:39,170 --> 01:06:41,830
and he was not feeling well.
1154
01:06:42,701 --> 01:06:45,306
All time had frozen.
1155
01:06:45,341 --> 01:06:49,640
Everything had just...
like it had become stilled,
1156
01:06:49,675 --> 01:06:56,350
and it It was just a low,
intense feeling that I had.
1157
01:06:56,385 --> 01:07:00,222
Out of the left side of
my peripheral vision,
1158
01:07:00,950 --> 01:07:03,126
I saw movement.
1159
01:07:03,161 --> 01:07:07,394
At this point I made
a physical move,
1160
01:07:07,429 --> 01:07:09,660
and once I took a step,
1161
01:07:09,695 --> 01:07:13,268
I felt like I could... I just
gained, like, my freedom,
1162
01:07:15,371 --> 01:07:16,931
and I pulled my firearm.
1163
01:07:16,966 --> 01:07:20,033
I turned my shoulders
to face the object
1164
01:07:20,068 --> 01:07:23,080
that I caught in my
peripheral vision.
1165
01:07:24,149 --> 01:07:27,007
I faced... I looked forward,
1166
01:07:27,042 --> 01:07:31,682
and I could see what
I knew was not a man.
1167
01:07:31,717 --> 01:07:36,258
I knew that it was not an
animal I had ever seen,
1168
01:07:37,558 --> 01:07:40,229
and it was coming towards me.
1169
01:07:40,264 --> 01:07:42,957
In the glow of the campfire
1170
01:07:42,992 --> 01:07:46,499
and the glow of
my kerosene lamp,
1171
01:07:46,534 --> 01:07:51,768
I caught what I felt was
an upright walking...
1172
01:07:51,803 --> 01:07:55,068
It was not bear.
It was like a wolf.
1173
01:07:55,103 --> 01:07:59,776
It was large, it was huge. It
was still walking towards me.
1174
01:07:59,811 --> 01:08:04,583
I've discharged my weapon
in its direction two times.
1175
01:08:04,618 --> 01:08:06,288
You have to imagine
1176
01:08:06,323 --> 01:08:09,819
when you fire a
gun at nighttime,
1177
01:08:09,854 --> 01:08:12,921
that you have an effect
1178
01:08:12,956 --> 01:08:15,561
of almost like a
camera going off,
1179
01:08:15,596 --> 01:08:18,058
and that camera instills
something in your brain,
1180
01:08:18,093 --> 01:08:20,764
so, I have this image.
1181
01:08:20,799 --> 01:08:24,603
Instilled in my head of
when the flash went out.
1182
01:08:26,277 --> 01:08:28,706
And the animal...
1183
01:08:30,644 --> 01:08:33,447
It was like it responded
to the firearm.
1184
01:08:33,482 --> 01:08:35,075
It was intelligent.
1185
01:08:35,110 --> 01:08:37,286
It knew that that...
1186
01:08:37,321 --> 01:08:40,850
firearm was dangerous to
it, because it reacted,
1187
01:08:40,885 --> 01:08:44,260
it moved and it went
backwards before I fired.
1188
01:08:44,295 --> 01:08:47,725
It is as if it
could jump and leap
1189
01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:51,201
beyond any human understanding.
1190
01:08:51,236 --> 01:08:53,269
It jumped to the rock face
1191
01:08:53,304 --> 01:08:55,832
that was beside of it,
1192
01:08:55,867 --> 01:08:59,572
and in an instant
was... it was gone.
1193
01:08:59,607 --> 01:09:03,675
It disappeared and went
over the ridge above us.
1194
01:09:03,710 --> 01:09:06,480
When I fired my weapon,
1195
01:09:06,515 --> 01:09:10,385
my hunting partner behind
me discharged his firearm,
1196
01:09:10,420 --> 01:09:12,948
in the opposite direction of me.
1197
01:09:12,983 --> 01:09:14,554
I am screaming at this point.
1198
01:09:14,589 --> 01:09:16,985
I'm screaming, I don't
even know what I'm saying,
1199
01:09:17,020 --> 01:09:19,757
but it's time to
back up to the truck
1200
01:09:19,792 --> 01:09:23,992
where we were parked, and
I began to cover above me.
1201
01:09:24,027 --> 01:09:27,127
I covered to the left
of me, and he's walking,
1202
01:09:27,162 --> 01:09:28,667
and we're walking behind us.
1203
01:09:30,671 --> 01:09:32,275
As we get to the truck,
1204
01:09:32,310 --> 01:09:35,377
I jump up into the back-end
of the pickup truck.
1205
01:09:35,412 --> 01:09:39,139
He gets in, cranks the vehicle.
I am standing in the back
1206
01:09:39,174 --> 01:09:44,045
of the pickup truck, the
lights, flow towards a field
1207
01:09:44,080 --> 01:09:46,179
that was in front of us.
1208
01:09:46,214 --> 01:09:47,752
Directly in front of me...
1209
01:09:48,986 --> 01:09:53,692
were two huge
figures, creatures.
1210
01:09:53,727 --> 01:09:57,564
I believe that what was
stalking me in the woods,
1211
01:09:57,599 --> 01:10:03,196
I believe that whatever I fired
at to the left of my camp,
1212
01:10:03,231 --> 01:10:08,234
was what people
refer to as a Dogman.
1213
01:10:08,269 --> 01:10:11,138
But I know what was in the
headlights of that truck,
1214
01:10:11,173 --> 01:10:13,173
was not the same creature,
1215
01:10:13,208 --> 01:10:17,320
because it towered at least
another two or three foot taller
1216
01:10:17,355 --> 01:10:20,422
than the animals that
I had seen in my camp.
1217
01:10:20,457 --> 01:10:23,722
These were two very
large creatures,
1218
01:10:23,757 --> 01:10:25,394
and I realized that one of them
1219
01:10:25,429 --> 01:10:28,925
was the exact thing that I
had seen in the distance,
1220
01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:31,433
that I believed to be a
man in a ghillie suit,
1221
01:10:31,468 --> 01:10:33,666
and it was not a man
in a ghillie suit.
1222
01:10:33,701 --> 01:10:35,899
It was not a bear.
1223
01:10:35,934 --> 01:10:40,134
It was on two legs, bipedal.
1224
01:10:40,169 --> 01:10:43,775
That's what I believe was
whistling the entire time
1225
01:10:43,810 --> 01:10:46,107
that I had heard in the woods.
1226
01:10:46,142 --> 01:10:48,879
That's what my partner
had heard whistling,
1227
01:10:48,914 --> 01:10:52,146
were the two figures that
I observed in the field
1228
01:10:52,181 --> 01:10:53,620
in front of me.
1229
01:10:53,655 --> 01:10:55,391
Were they working
1230
01:10:55,426 --> 01:10:57,250
with the other animals?
1231
01:10:57,285 --> 01:10:58,251
I just say the words.
1232
01:10:58,286 --> 01:11:00,891
Were they working
with the Dogman?
1233
01:11:00,926 --> 01:11:03,091
Were they guiding the Dogman,
1234
01:11:03,126 --> 01:11:08,734
or were there... Were
the two large creatures
1235
01:11:08,769 --> 01:11:10,670
there to protect me?
1236
01:11:10,705 --> 01:11:12,199
I do not know.
1237
01:11:12,234 --> 01:11:15,103
My partner fires up
the pickup truck,
1238
01:11:15,138 --> 01:11:18,304
and we speed out of the area.
1239
01:11:18,339 --> 01:11:23,243
As I turn around behind me,
something was tearing my...
1240
01:11:23,278 --> 01:11:26,114
our camp completely to pieces.
1241
01:11:30,494 --> 01:11:33,495
There are Bigfoot
stories from the region.
1242
01:11:33,530 --> 01:11:35,464
There's supposedly a
large, aggressive Bigfoot
1243
01:11:35,499 --> 01:11:37,059
in Land Between the Lakes.
1244
01:11:37,094 --> 01:11:40,260
It just goes wherever it wants.
They've nicknamed it Stonefoot.
1245
01:11:40,295 --> 01:11:42,405
And, we even have found
1246
01:11:42,440 --> 01:11:44,539
Bigfoot tracks up
towards the north,
1247
01:11:44,574 --> 01:11:47,102
close to around the site
where the family was attacked.
1248
01:11:47,137 --> 01:11:49,038
So, they are in the park.
1249
01:11:51,306 --> 01:11:53,482
- We stopped and we
attempted to report
1250
01:11:53,517 --> 01:11:55,979
what took place with us,
1251
01:11:56,014 --> 01:12:00,852
and we were told that
we had overreacted,
1252
01:12:00,887 --> 01:12:04,724
that we had observed what
they said was a rogue bear.
1253
01:12:04,759 --> 01:12:07,188
There are things that I
will not say on camera.
1254
01:12:07,223 --> 01:12:10,158
People that I've spoken
with over the years.
1255
01:12:10,193 --> 01:12:11,533
You have to understand
1256
01:12:11,568 --> 01:12:14,899
that the law enforcement
field is a tight brethren.
1257
01:12:14,934 --> 01:12:17,968
There is a unwritten rule
that you will not talk
1258
01:12:18,003 --> 01:12:20,267
of anything coming
out of the park.
1259
01:12:20,302 --> 01:12:22,038
I mean, these guys
have pensions,
1260
01:12:22,073 --> 01:12:23,710
these guys have family.
1261
01:12:23,745 --> 01:12:27,340
Can you imagine working for
somewhere for 20 or 30 years
1262
01:12:27,375 --> 01:12:29,078
and you are called
into the office
1263
01:12:29,113 --> 01:12:31,344
and you are told
that, due to the fact
1264
01:12:31,379 --> 01:12:33,280
you spoke in public
about an incident
1265
01:12:33,315 --> 01:12:36,019
that took place,
that you're fired?
1266
01:12:36,054 --> 01:12:39,220
I believe it's entirely possible
that they cover stuff like that.
1267
01:12:39,255 --> 01:12:41,662
They'd lose a lot of
money if people learned
1268
01:12:41,697 --> 01:12:43,708
that there was something
that looked like a werewolf
1269
01:12:43,732 --> 01:12:46,392
wandering through the park,
or possibly even Bigfoot.
1270
01:12:46,427 --> 01:12:47,767
They'd lose a lot of money.
1271
01:12:47,802 --> 01:12:51,804
So, if one person
disappears, or a few people,
1272
01:12:51,839 --> 01:12:53,905
wouldn't it be for them,
1273
01:12:53,940 --> 01:12:55,412
wouldn't it be the most
profitable decision
1274
01:12:55,436 --> 01:12:56,688
to just cover it
up and make it look
1275
01:12:56,712 --> 01:12:58,481
like something never happened?
1276
01:12:58,516 --> 01:13:01,011
At this point, there
are many people
1277
01:13:01,046 --> 01:13:04,080
that have went missing,
or have come up,
1278
01:13:04,115 --> 01:13:07,413
they've been found
dead within the park.
1279
01:13:07,448 --> 01:13:10,350
And this is a phenomenon
that it is not contained
1280
01:13:10,385 --> 01:13:12,528
to Land Between the Lakes.
1281
01:13:12,563 --> 01:13:15,696
This has taken place in a
lot of our national parks.
1282
01:13:15,731 --> 01:13:18,391
It is a very scary thought
that the general public
1283
01:13:18,426 --> 01:13:20,602
is tourism.
1284
01:13:20,637 --> 01:13:23,737
To a certain extent, the
general public is unarmed
1285
01:13:23,772 --> 01:13:25,541
when they enter these parks,
1286
01:13:25,576 --> 01:13:29,941
unable to defend themselves
against anything, man or beast.
1287
01:13:32,616 --> 01:13:34,209
From all the encounters
1288
01:13:34,244 --> 01:13:35,782
that I have talked
to people with,
1289
01:13:35,817 --> 01:13:38,653
it's just not
simply encountering
1290
01:13:38,688 --> 01:13:40,556
an animal out there.
1291
01:13:40,591 --> 01:13:41,821
There are earth lights
1292
01:13:41,856 --> 01:13:43,383
often attached to
these sightings.
1293
01:13:43,418 --> 01:13:47,288
There are feelings of
dread associated with this.
1294
01:13:47,323 --> 01:13:50,698
In my opinion, what we
were dealing with here
1295
01:13:50,733 --> 01:13:54,801
is not a human simply
shape-shifting into an animal,
1296
01:13:54,836 --> 01:13:57,463
or some sort of
uncatalogued creature
1297
01:13:57,498 --> 01:13:59,707
that is roaming the
wilds of America
1298
01:13:59,742 --> 01:14:02,270
that has yet to be
categorized by science.
1299
01:14:02,305 --> 01:14:04,305
I think there is something here
1300
01:14:04,340 --> 01:14:07,913
that is far beyond
our knowledge.
1301
01:14:07,948 --> 01:14:12,478
It appears as if these creatures
are coming from another source,
1302
01:14:12,513 --> 01:14:14,447
and they bleed into our world,
1303
01:14:14,482 --> 01:14:16,790
or we bleed into their
world, or what have you.
1304
01:14:16,825 --> 01:14:20,321
There almost has to be
an unspoken agreement
1305
01:14:20,356 --> 01:14:23,258
between the person that is
witnessing these creatures,
1306
01:14:23,293 --> 01:14:24,930
and the creatures themselves.
1307
01:14:24,965 --> 01:14:27,999
It seems there is some sort of
exchange of energy going on,
1308
01:14:28,034 --> 01:14:30,331
and for these things
to manifest themselves,
1309
01:14:30,366 --> 01:14:32,267
they would need your energy
1310
01:14:32,302 --> 01:14:35,270
to feed off, to make
almost a circuit
1311
01:14:35,305 --> 01:14:36,843
in which everything is fired up,
1312
01:14:36,878 --> 01:14:39,615
and then these things
can then appear
1313
01:14:39,650 --> 01:14:41,375
and manifest within our reality.
1314
01:14:48,021 --> 01:14:50,351
It bothered me for years.
1315
01:14:50,386 --> 01:14:53,090
I'm not saying that I had
post-traumatic stress.
1316
01:14:53,125 --> 01:14:54,630
I'm not saying that,
1317
01:14:54,665 --> 01:14:56,192
but I know that every time
1318
01:14:56,227 --> 01:14:59,162
I walked out of
my house at night,
1319
01:14:59,197 --> 01:15:02,462
I was always had this fear
1320
01:15:02,497 --> 01:15:04,299
of what's lurking
behind the house.
1321
01:15:04,334 --> 01:15:05,575
What could be under the car?
1322
01:15:05,610 --> 01:15:07,368
What could be behind that bush,
1323
01:15:07,403 --> 01:15:10,140
because in the back of my
mind, it's always there.
1324
01:15:10,175 --> 01:15:11,647
It could be there.
1325
01:15:11,682 --> 01:15:13,253
And the other thing that
really kind of stuck out to me,
1326
01:15:13,277 --> 01:15:15,376
was, as I sat back
and I reflected,
1327
01:15:15,411 --> 01:15:18,819
was, if that thing's real,
what the hell else is real?
1328
01:15:23,727 --> 01:15:25,353
- I didn't let it
control my life,
1329
01:15:25,388 --> 01:15:27,729
and as a matter of fact,
1330
01:15:27,764 --> 01:15:30,358
I kind of swept it into the...
1331
01:15:30,393 --> 01:15:33,163
into the back
recesses of my mind,
1332
01:15:33,198 --> 01:15:35,528
and now and again
it would come up.
1333
01:15:35,563 --> 01:15:37,739
I get the pin pricks
in the back of my neck,
1334
01:15:37,774 --> 01:15:39,532
and I think I'm just...
1335
01:15:39,567 --> 01:15:41,710
Too much imagination.
1336
01:15:41,745 --> 01:15:44,647
I hid this from myself.
1337
01:15:44,682 --> 01:15:46,682
I would... I
rarely told anyone,
1338
01:15:46,717 --> 01:15:50,543
because you tell
someone, and yeah,
1339
01:15:50,578 --> 01:15:52,985
they're condescending at best,
1340
01:15:53,020 --> 01:15:56,054
just laugh, or think
you're joking, and...
1341
01:15:56,089 --> 01:15:58,353
Now, at this age, I don't care
1342
01:15:58,388 --> 01:16:01,521
whether you believe me or
not, it doesn't matter.
1343
01:16:01,556 --> 01:16:02,962
It happened.
1344
01:16:05,626 --> 01:16:08,066
- The only thing I could
literally tell people
1345
01:16:08,101 --> 01:16:09,199
I saw was a werewolf,
1346
01:16:09,234 --> 01:16:10,508
which probably
didn't help the fact
1347
01:16:10,532 --> 01:16:12,598
that people thought I was crazy.
1348
01:16:12,633 --> 01:16:13,841
And like I've told her,
1349
01:16:13,876 --> 01:16:15,744
every time I talk
about it to anybody,
1350
01:16:15,779 --> 01:16:17,372
the nightmares come back.
1351
01:16:19,046 --> 01:16:20,650
I 've woke up
screaming in the night.
1352
01:16:20,685 --> 01:16:23,411
My wife shook me.
1353
01:16:23,446 --> 01:16:25,754
It scares me to my core
to know that these things
1354
01:16:25,789 --> 01:16:27,888
are still out there,
moving and walking around.
1355
01:16:29,056 --> 01:16:31,485
These things are built
to hurt something.
1356
01:16:34,699 --> 01:16:36,798
Trust me, you don't
want to see one.
1357
01:16:42,168 --> 01:16:45,466
- I have nightmares.
I'm plagued with dreams.
1358
01:16:45,501 --> 01:16:47,534
At one point, I spoke
with a professional
1359
01:16:47,569 --> 01:16:50,603
that said that I had...
I had seen something,
1360
01:16:50,638 --> 01:16:53,309
that had traumatized my memory.
1361
01:16:53,344 --> 01:16:56,543
I couldn't accept
what I had saw.
1362
01:16:56,578 --> 01:17:00,756
That trauma of whatever that
had occurred that night,
1363
01:17:00,791 --> 01:17:03,286
and the incident
that I had seen,
1364
01:17:03,321 --> 01:17:05,552
that... It will haunt me.
1365
01:17:05,587 --> 01:17:07,895
It will be in my dreams.
1366
01:17:07,930 --> 01:17:12,031
They told me to
attempt to work it out.
1367
01:17:12,066 --> 01:17:13,934
I will not hunt
1368
01:17:13,969 --> 01:17:16,101
in the deep woods any longer.
1369
01:17:16,136 --> 01:17:17,839
I have been to different states,
1370
01:17:17,874 --> 01:17:22,206
I have hunted in Montana,
I have hunted in Wyoming.
1371
01:17:25,310 --> 01:17:27,783
I have fished where
I've had grizzly bears
1372
01:17:27,818 --> 01:17:31,017
within 20 to 30 yards of
me when I'm fly fishing.
1373
01:17:31,712 --> 01:17:33,514
They don't scare me.
1374
01:17:33,549 --> 01:17:34,614
That scares me.
1375
01:17:34,649 --> 01:17:36,484
What I saw that night,
1376
01:17:36,519 --> 01:17:40,763
was such an intense
feeling, an evil...
1377
01:17:40,798 --> 01:17:42,478
A feeling of evil that
cannot be described.
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