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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,960 --> 00:00:05,960 America - the promised land for British youth in the '60s. 2 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:10,920 I mean, America's the Holy Grail. For music, for us. 3 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:13,360 It wasn't...Slovenia. 4 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:21,080 From 1964 onwards, a group of British pioneers would get in their covered wagons and go west. 5 00:00:21,080 --> 00:00:25,840 I wanna hold your hand... 6 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:32,200 It was such a thrill to actually go to play in America 7 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:35,080 and do a little bit of research, 8 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:38,320 blues clubs, things like that, it was just...like heaven. 9 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:43,200 The British Invasion would export a new brand of youth to the States. 10 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:47,640 The Beatles. 11 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:49,680 The Animals. 12 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:51,320 The Who. 13 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:52,400 Whoosh! 14 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:54,720 The Hollies. Ooh! 15 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:57,120 And that's just a few. 16 00:00:57,120 --> 00:00:59,680 Made Bob Dylan and Elvis a bit shaky. 17 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:06,840 This is how the Brits rocked America in the '60s. 18 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:10,160 I can't hide 19 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:13,840 Yeah you got that something 20 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:17,600 I think you'll understand 21 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:20,800 When I say that something 22 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:25,720 I want to hold your hand... 23 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:29,360 MUSIC: "Back In The USA" by Chuck Berry 24 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:42,920 In the 1950s, we were living in a new world order. 25 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:46,080 Oh well oh well I feel so good today... 26 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:49,120 The sun had set on the British Empire, 27 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:53,400 whilst our American saviours had become the dominant world power. 28 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:58,600 Jet propelled back home from overseas to the USA 29 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:02,120 New York, Los Angeles Oh how I yearn for you... 30 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:04,720 We were poor and they were rich, 31 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:10,840 and as we couldn't afford the air fare, American rock'n'roll was one of the key portals 32 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:13,800 through which we could explore this exciting new world. 33 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:20,720 We heard those Chuck Berry records when we were at school. 34 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:25,920 He'd tell these stories, Back In The USA, where he's talking about a hamburger sizzling 35 00:02:25,920 --> 00:02:30,920 night and day, we really didn't have hamburgers over here at that time. 36 00:02:32,640 --> 00:02:35,960 Did I miss the skyscrapers? Did I miss the long freeway? 37 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:37,880 Uh huh huh, oh yeah 38 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:41,400 From the coast of California to the shores of the Delaware Bay... 39 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:46,440 The whole lifestyle that he was putting forward, 40 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:51,520 and the enthusiasm, the drive of his music... 41 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:54,400 It built up this wonderful picture 42 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:56,880 of this Mecca, if you like, of music. 43 00:02:56,880 --> 00:03:00,760 And attitude and freedom. 44 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:05,800 And whether it was or wasn't, this is what we all believed. 45 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:09,440 Looking hard for a drive-in, searching for a corner cafe... 46 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:11,800 It was just absolute magic. 47 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:15,400 Where hamburgers sizzle on an open grill night and day... 48 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:21,960 However, by 1963, American rock'n'roll actually looked like this. 49 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:27,320 Now I love a girl and Ruby is her name 50 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:29,360 Hear me talking... 51 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:35,840 It was teenagers writing for a teenage market. 52 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:40,320 What I say, whoah oh, Ruby, Ruby 53 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:42,640 How I want ya 54 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:46,160 Like a ghost I'm-a gonna haunt ya 55 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:50,480 Ruby, Ruby, Ruby will you be mine? 56 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:57,720 There were many of us solo American singers, 57 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:02,520 Bobby Rydell, Frankie Avalon, Fabian, 58 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:07,600 it was rock'n'roll, but mine was I think more special material. 59 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:12,560 - January - You start the year off fine 60 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:16,520 - February - You're my little Valentine 61 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:20,760 - March - I'm gonna march you down the aisle... 62 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:25,760 American pop had ground to a halt. 63 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:32,400 The original energy and thrill of rock'n'roll had dissipated 64 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:36,080 and had been replaced by an ersatz replica. 65 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:45,400 It was a perfectly safe, grown-up soundtrack 66 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:46,520 for the Mad Men era. 67 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:57,000 The kind of classic rock'n'roll guys, 68 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:00,920 Jerry Lee Lewis and Little Richard and even Elvis to a degree, 69 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:02,560 had kind of been swept aside. 70 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:05,480 Elvis had gone into the Army and become safe. 71 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:07,600 Chuck Berry had been arrested, 72 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:10,920 Jerry Lee Lewis had this scandal with his younger cousin. 73 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:15,080 They'd been sidelined and music had become a lot safer. 74 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:19,840 American pop was self-absorbed. 75 00:05:19,840 --> 00:05:22,240 Short-lived trends like preppy surf music 76 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:25,240 meant all eyes were on the West Coast. 77 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:28,960 Nobody so much as thought of looking east, towards the old country. 78 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:35,080 There was no sense that these bands or musicians 79 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:37,720 were going to be around for a long time and be artists. 80 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:40,440 You're just ready for the next thing all the time 81 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:42,400 and the next thing was always America. 82 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:45,960 Everybody's gone surfin' 83 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:48,480 Surfing USA 84 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:51,040 Everybody's gone surfin' 85 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:53,320 Surfing USA. 86 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:55,840 Whether it was going to be the Beach boys, 87 00:05:55,840 --> 00:05:59,160 having some hits in the early '60s and introducing a new sound. 88 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:03,920 The idea that someone would come from England and enrich rock'n'roll 89 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:05,840 was just... 90 00:06:05,840 --> 00:06:08,480 it was literally inconceivable. 91 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:12,560 You couldn't formulate that idea. There was no basis for it. 92 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:19,680 So on February 7th 1964, 93 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:23,480 Britain's hottest rock'n'roll act would set off for America 94 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:25,560 with modest expectations. 95 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:28,760 How could a band from the crumbling, grey old country, 96 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:30,320 hope to have any effect, 97 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:33,880 on what to the Beatles, was the capital of their world? 98 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:40,640 America, it's where it all came from. 99 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:47,560 It's like blues, rock'n'roll, Elvis, the whole thing. 100 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:51,920 Before that even, the Fred Astaire thing, 101 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:55,040 it's always been coming out of America. 102 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:00,520 First memory was getting off the plane 103 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:06,360 in New York to a screaming mob that we didn't expect. 104 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:17,240 What had happened was we'd heard about it on the plane. 105 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:20,360 The pilot had radioed and said, "It's crazy here." 106 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:26,720 The journalists heard about that and they said, "It's crazy there." 107 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:29,320 That's good. 108 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:36,240 We got off the plane, waving. It indeed was crazy. 109 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:42,840 The Beatles' ecstatic welcome 110 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:46,400 had been preceded by I Want To Hold Your Hand, 111 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:48,680 which had topped the US chart a few weeks prior. 112 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:54,040 With their cheek and lack of deference 113 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:56,480 to the patriarchal American media, 114 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:59,120 the Beatles seemed to be from another planet. 115 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:05,600 There's a question, would you be quiet, please? 116 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:09,000 - Would you please sing something? - No. 117 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:10,360 - Sorry. - Next question. 118 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:13,120 - But you can sing. - No, we need money first. 119 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:19,960 - Are you going to get a haircut? - No. - I had one yesterday. 120 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:24,320 My brother and I were just in a studio. 121 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:28,120 The telephone rings, I pick it up. 122 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:30,400 Grenada Television is on the other line 123 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:35,040 asking if I'd be interested in making a film of the Beatles. 124 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:38,160 They'll be arriving in two hours. 125 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:39,720 I turned to my brother and said, 126 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:41,840 "Who're the Beatles? Are they any good?" 127 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:46,600 How could I dance with another? 128 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:52,080 Oooh When I saw her standing there. 129 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:54,360 I had a producer on board, 130 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:57,520 so we had no difficulty at all in meeting the Beatles 131 00:08:57,520 --> 00:09:01,800 and being with them day and night for a whole week. 132 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:06,240 I fall in love with her 133 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:09,680 She wouldn't dance with another... 134 00:09:09,680 --> 00:09:10,960 We loved it. 135 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:13,280 New York, baby. 136 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:18,560 We were in the back of a car and we'd have a little tranny radio 137 00:09:18,560 --> 00:09:20,520 and you'd hear WINS. 138 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:22,640 "Here we are, the Beatles are coming..." 139 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:24,840 We'd go, "We're on the radio!" 140 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:28,160 We're on the radio. Look at the big buildings. 141 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:31,120 It's New York and they're talking about us on the radio. 142 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:33,360 'Tomorrow night from 7 to 8... ' 143 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:37,600 We used to phone in the radio stations and they loved it. 144 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:39,240 "I've got a Beatle on the line." 145 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:42,480 Murray the K was one of the guys who kind of adopted us. 146 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:45,280 I want to tell everybody, this is the Beatles station. 147 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:47,000 They're telling us what to play. 148 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:48,600 I've got more one-week of this 149 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:51,560 and I'm going to become the fifth Beatle, baby. All right? 150 00:09:51,560 --> 00:09:55,440 OK, this is Paul McCartney, on WINS, 151 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:59,360 and it's Marvin Gaye, singing, Pride and Joy. 152 00:10:01,680 --> 00:10:04,080 Yeah, baby, you got it. 153 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:12,560 America was still stuck in the '50s, 154 00:10:12,560 --> 00:10:13,960 but in the UK, 155 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:18,120 a Beatle-led youth revolution was in full swing by 1964. 156 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:26,600 American kids were a year behind 157 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:30,160 and they marvelled at these strange-looking Brits. 158 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:33,720 The Beatles were equally shocked by the state of American youth. 159 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:39,000 We felt it was a little bit backward. 160 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:45,560 It hadn't had the youth revolution that we'd had in the UK 161 00:10:45,560 --> 00:10:47,040 and in Europe. 162 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:51,960 I remember talking to fans and things and asking them questions. 163 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:54,120 What about your boyfriend? And stuff. 164 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:57,800 He'd be the guy with the flat top, the football playing guy, 165 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:01,720 those kind of very old-fashioned values. 166 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:06,040 It was like, oh, he's still like that, is he? OK. 167 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:07,600 We didn't mind it. 168 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:10,000 It just seemed a bit old-fashioned. 169 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:12,280 They had a bit of catching up to do. 170 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:20,920 Here were American girls going wild for distinctly un-macho Brits, 171 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:24,320 an unprecedented threat to American manhood across the land. 172 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:29,360 I think what the Beatles brought to America was an awakening 173 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:31,960 that was a long time coming. 174 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:36,440 We weren't expecting women in 1964 175 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:39,760 to be expressing themselves emotionally like that in public, 176 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:47,480 to be showing themselves as frenetic and hysterical and sexual. 177 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:49,000 You didn't get that. 178 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:51,640 Now that you've seen the Beatles, what do you think? 179 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:54,160 They're unbelievable. 180 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:56,880 I've never seen anything like it in my life. 181 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:04,720 We were some exotic beast to them. 182 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:08,000 Nobody had ever seen people with their hair all down like that 183 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:14,320 and all the gear and the clothes and the mod look, you know? 184 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:17,440 They were a little bit in the dark ages about all of that. 185 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:18,880 We were very unusual. 186 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:21,680 Ladies and gentlemen, the Beatles. 187 00:12:21,680 --> 00:12:24,160 SCREAMING 188 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:25,920 Then we went on the Ed Sullivan Show 189 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:28,360 and that really kicked it over the edge. 190 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:31,040 Close your eyes and I'll kiss you 191 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:34,040 Tomorrow I'll miss you 192 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:39,800 Remember I'll always be true 193 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:42,840 And then while I'm away 194 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:45,920 I'll write home every day 195 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:51,640 And I'll send all my loving to you... 196 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:53,840 70 million people saw that show. 197 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:01,280 It's a lot of attention for 20-year-old kids. 198 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:06,680 The Beatles came on the Ed Sullivan Show, 199 00:13:06,680 --> 00:13:11,240 and it was the most exciting thing in the whole world. 200 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:16,080 All New York City went nuts for it. 201 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:21,680 All my loving I will send to you... 202 00:13:21,680 --> 00:13:23,560 It wasn't just New York. 203 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:29,360 The Beatles were beamed into living rooms across the nation, 204 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:32,320 at a time when the power of television 205 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:34,080 had just come into its own. 206 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:37,680 It was right after the Kennedy assassination 207 00:13:37,680 --> 00:13:41,640 and the Beatles were the next media phenomenon. 208 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:45,920 Not to diminish what the Kennedy assassination meant here, 209 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:47,960 because it was just devastating. 210 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:53,200 It also was one of the first big television moments. 211 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:56,880 Everybody was watching the funeral 212 00:13:56,880 --> 00:14:00,160 and that sense that television was the primary means 213 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:04,040 by which information was coming to you, 214 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:07,400 was really very much solidified right at that moment. 215 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:10,240 Right on the heels of that experience 216 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:13,600 at this incredible American depression, come the Beatles. 217 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:16,080 America's young prince was gone, 218 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:19,080 now here were four pretenders at the gates of Camelot. 219 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:27,840 The American competition was simply re-cast in a supporting role. 220 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:37,640 There's four of them, they're all gifted, talented, gorgeous, 221 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:39,600 what can you say? 222 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:41,160 They're the Beatles. 223 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:45,280 I found it very funny that we'd be booed all the time, 224 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:47,960 because people of course would want the Beatles. 225 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:52,280 I just loved every minute of it. 226 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:55,440 I liked playing Monopoly with George Harrison. Who wouldn't? 227 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:58,800 We had a couple of pillow fights on the plane. 228 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:00,960 Roll over Beethoven 229 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:02,920 And tell Tchaikovsky the news... 230 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:06,040 The Beatles gave America back their music 231 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:10,480 because I think we had overlooked so many of the great blues artists, 232 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:15,640 so many of the great people that we've all learned from 233 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:19,920 and I think we had forgotten the basics 234 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:22,840 and they gave that back to us. 235 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:25,000 Well if you're feeling like it 236 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:28,600 Get your lover And reel and rock it 237 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:30,160 Roll it over and move on up 238 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:33,240 Go for cover And reel and rock it... 239 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:38,400 We just loved American music so much that we wanted to play it. 240 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:42,440 So we would take something like Twist And Shout by the Isley Brothers 241 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:46,440 that we just loved as a record and we had to do it. 242 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:50,720 When we went live, that was a great song to do. 243 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:52,840 We kind of made it our own. 244 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:55,520 Shake it up baby now 245 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:56,840 Shake it up baby 246 00:15:56,840 --> 00:15:58,280 Twist and shout 247 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:00,240 Twist and shout 248 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:01,640 Come on... 249 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:06,280 The Beatles were plugged into that early energy of rock'n'roll. 250 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:10,400 I remember Jerry Lee Lewis in an interview saying the Beatles 251 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:13,800 swept away all of these guys who had cute names who were making 252 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:15,760 rock'n'roll in the US at that time. 253 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:21,280 Bobby Benton, Bobby Denton... 254 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:23,960 nothing but Bobby's on the radio. 255 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:25,680 Thank God for the Beatles. 256 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:27,360 They showed 'em a trick. 257 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:33,120 Cut 'em down like wheat before the sickle. 258 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:37,560 Whilst young America had been slow out of the blocks, 259 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:40,360 they were now keen to make up lost ground. 260 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:43,240 In conquering the USA, the Beatles kicked down the door, 261 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:47,800 and in behind them poured an invasion of British bands. 262 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:53,480 It looked good, I guess, on film, 263 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:56,040 but it was a disaster. 264 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:02,400 ARCHIVE RECORDING: Here they are, The Animals, 265 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:05,120 Britain's hottest new rock'n'roll export. 266 00:17:05,120 --> 00:17:09,000 Their New York arrival runs into a ban on any tumultuous airport reception. 267 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:11,800 The Beatles had been there and done it. 268 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:15,840 The Port Authority were really tired because of the expense. 269 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:21,080 So when we landed, there was nobody there. 270 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:26,080 The ride from the airport, over the many bridges 271 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:28,640 and streets of New York, there was nobody. 272 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:32,880 There was just each one of us in a Mustang with a girl 273 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:35,520 dressed up in a silly bunny costume 274 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:37,600 with fishnet stockings, I remember that. 275 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:39,640 She's not there 276 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:41,040 Well let me tell you 277 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:43,440 'bout the way she looked 278 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:44,760 The way she... 279 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:48,600 New York laid on a proper welcome for other British invaders 280 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:50,360 such as The Zombies. 281 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:57,880 My parents had packed me a packed lunch to take on the plane... 282 00:17:57,880 --> 00:17:59,880 It was a long time ago. 283 00:17:59,880 --> 00:18:02,640 It was a bigger world in those days, wasn't it? 284 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:05,160 Nobody told me about her 285 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:07,440 What could I do...? 286 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:10,800 When we got off the plane, there were hundreds of people, 287 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:13,720 I don't know, maybe thousands, and we did that old thing 288 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:16,200 of looking over our shoulders to see... 289 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:18,720 Who was on the plane! 290 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:21,360 And it was us. 291 00:18:21,360 --> 00:18:24,240 Well, it was further away then. 292 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:27,160 It's hard to imagine now that people go back and forth a lot, 293 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:30,120 but a trip to America then was still a big deal. 294 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:35,600 The first time we went to New York, 295 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:39,280 big, huge, beautiful Cadillac limousines, 296 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:41,960 screaming girls trying to tear your clothes off. 297 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:43,000 It was excellent. 298 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:45,360 I recommend it highly. It was fun. 299 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:53,840 With so many people, so many fans in the terminal waiting 300 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:55,960 for Herman's Hermits, with signs, 301 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:57,760 causing all kinds of commotion, 302 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:02,000 they couldn't bring the plane into the terminal. 303 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:04,880 So they parked it on the field and these old businessmen... 304 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:07,520 Remember, there were no women flying in those days. 305 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:10,640 So we're on this plane with these older men who were not really 306 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:15,280 that happy to be messed around, as they took our plane and the police cars came to get us... 307 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:18,400 "Good. They've been arrested." The police were our escorts. 308 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:21,480 As far as I can tell I'm her kind of guy... 309 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:24,880 For a generation that had grown up in bombed-out Britain, 310 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:29,800 their first experience of New York City would be beyond their wildest dreams. 311 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:33,120 Something tells me I'm into something good... 312 00:19:33,120 --> 00:19:36,360 It was an unbelievable shock, being taken to a midtown Manhattan hotel 313 00:19:36,360 --> 00:19:39,880 and everybody saying, "Have a nice day." 314 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:41,600 And, "We love your accent." 315 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:44,320 Looking down and seeing all these... 316 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:48,200 They looked like boats to me, the cars. 317 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:52,680 They were just silly. It was just like Walt Disney come alive. 318 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:55,840 Start spreading the news 319 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:59,400 I'm leaving today... 320 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:02,920 You've only got to go to New York and you're impressed with everything 321 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:04,920 because it's so big and vast, 322 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:06,240 skyscrapers. 323 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:08,840 New York, New York... 324 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:11,480 I remember the first time we got to New York 325 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:13,640 and I had seen it on the movies, 326 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:16,840 the grids in the road, steam coming out of them. 327 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:21,240 I thought, what is that? We don't have that in England. 328 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:23,440 The very heart of it 329 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:26,840 New York, New York 330 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:31,120 I want to wake up 331 00:20:31,120 --> 00:20:33,320 In a city... 332 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:36,240 I'd never heard of pizza before I got to America. 333 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:38,520 I was looking... "What's piz-er?" 334 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:44,920 (AMERICAN ACCENT) "Hey, man. We eat it all the time here. Pizza, man. 335 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:47,840 "We're going to get you some." Of course, it was brilliant. 336 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:49,480 Loved it, pizza. 337 00:20:51,360 --> 00:20:54,960 Long before sex and drugs, there was food... 338 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:58,200 an eye-opener to a generation raised on rationing. 339 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:05,080 I was hungry one day and we'd just gotten in 340 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:07,480 and our stage manager said, "What do you want?" 341 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:09,600 I said, "Well, we don't have time to go out." 342 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:11,480 "No, we'll just have it brought in." 343 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:14,280 "Brought in?! What do you mean?" 344 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:18,640 "You can order anything you want and just have it delivered right here." 345 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:20,280 Wow! What a concept. 346 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:22,720 Great fried potato yeah... 347 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:27,600 You would sit down, whether it was a diner or a posh restaurant, 348 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:30,440 you would be handed the menu and a glass of iced water. 349 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:32,640 Then you'd get a salad first 350 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:36,280 and you had to eat your salad before your proper food arrived. 351 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:53,560 - Burger, steak or chicken, that was your meal... - With fries. 352 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:57,040 ..with fries or baked potato with prime rib. 353 00:21:57,040 --> 00:22:00,320 I particularly like prime rib. They were very good with beef. 354 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:04,400 Mashed potato 355 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:06,800 Yeah, yeah, yeah... 356 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:11,880 - I noticed that a lot of the ladies had larger backsides than our ladies. - They still have. 357 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:18,680 Wide-eyed, the Brits poured into New York throughout the mid-'60s, 358 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:21,160 and those with Bohemian interests 359 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:24,800 sought out the city's famous artistic side. 360 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:30,600 When I was in New York, I guess, Ginsberg took me down 361 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:32,040 to the factory... 362 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:34,600 Warhol's silver pillow period 363 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:36,680 and he was making movies. 364 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:42,880 I went out on one of the "attack New York with Super-8 camera" trips, 365 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:45,440 where he sent out girls into the city, 366 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:48,880 and I think one party we arrived at, we met Dali. 367 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:54,120 Around that time, I would go off down Greenwich Village. 368 00:22:54,120 --> 00:22:57,720 There were lots of jazz clubs down there. I would sit like here, 369 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:02,000 Miles Davis would be playing there, Charlie Mingus a few yards away. He'd buy a beer 370 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:05,480 and watch these greats. I saw them all. 371 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:10,360 There was one particular thing, a very famous bar called the Metropole, 372 00:23:10,360 --> 00:23:13,200 and I remember going in there that first time, 1965, 373 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:17,560 and one of the great drum idols was playing drums behind the bar 374 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:19,800 on a long stage. 375 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:21,640 And it was Gene Krupa. 376 00:23:26,360 --> 00:23:30,760 I thought, wow! You were experiencing the real America. 377 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:36,880 In 1964 and '65, British music would virtually 378 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:39,000 own the American charts. 379 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:42,720 At one point in April '64, the Beatles held all top five positions 380 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:44,240 on the Billboard Top 100. 381 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:48,040 Hot on their heels were the Dave Clark Five who were booked 382 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:51,640 on the Ed Sullivan show an unprecedented 18 times. 383 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:55,600 From Gerry and the Pacemakers to Freddie and the Dreamers, 384 00:23:55,600 --> 00:24:00,360 it seemed you only had to speak in an English accent to have a hit in the States. 385 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:07,600 Somebody at some point thought that all people who were English 386 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:09,680 were multifaceted entertainers. 387 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:13,680 So we would see these buses stopping in a transport cafe 388 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,960 and there'd be people on the other bus that would be like, 389 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:21,800 James Brown and the Famous Flames, The Zombies and direct from England, The Hullabaloos. 390 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:26,280 They weren't known in England. I'd go, "Who's The Hullabaloos?" "We're The Hullabaloos." 391 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:29,880 "Where are you from?" "Hull." "You've never had a hit in England." 392 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:32,280 "Yeah, I know, but we were over here..." 393 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:34,320 So anything that was English would go. 394 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:37,520 Birds sing out of tune 395 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:40,760 And rain clouds hide the moon 396 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:42,320 I'm OK 397 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:44,400 Here I'll stay 398 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:46,920 With my loneliness 399 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,120 I don't care what they say 400 00:24:50,120 --> 00:24:53,320 I won't stay in a world without love... 401 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:56,520 It was the foppish appearance and carefree attitude 402 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:59,360 of these young Brits that fascinated America... 403 00:24:59,360 --> 00:25:02,280 I will see my true love smile... 404 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:04,080 ..such as Peter and Gordon, 405 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:07,280 the second British invasion act to top the charts. 406 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:10,960 When she does I lose So baby until then 407 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,680 Lock me away 408 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,520 And don't allow the day 409 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:18,320 Here inside 410 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,200 Where I hide 411 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:21,720 With my loneliness... 412 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:25,880 It was a funny era because Beatle, or Beed-le as it was in America, 413 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:30,240 almost became a collective, a sort of generic term. 414 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:33,320 If you had long hair... I remember getting into a lift 415 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,600 and some kid going, "Are you a Beatle?" 416 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:38,960 It didn't actually mean he thought I was a member of the Beatles, 417 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:41,840 the band, it was sort of, "Are you part of that?" 418 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,960 The answer was yes, because they all had crew-cuts. 419 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:51,680 The youthful revolution that had swept through Britain, 420 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:55,160 transforming attitudes to sex, authority and ambition, 421 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,480 had simply not happened in the USA. 422 00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:01,080 So it was up to us to make America groovy. 423 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:09,640 It was, did you know the Queen? Or, hey, you guys look weird. 424 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:11,840 Yes. You're weird. 425 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,280 They'd all have Ivy League suits on. 426 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:17,800 That was the first time. The second time you go, they'd loosen up a bit. 427 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:22,080 The third time, when flower power arrived, they all looked like Jesus Christ. 428 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:26,280 When rain has hung the leaves with tears 429 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,440 I want you near 430 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:31,080 To kill my fears... 431 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:36,280 So this is a new country, only 300 years old, or 400 years old, 432 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:40,160 and so it was full of wonder for Europe 433 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,680 and I suppose I stepped onto the pavement 434 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:46,080 as if I'd stepped off a spaceship from another planet. 435 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,120 I may as well try 436 00:26:49,120 --> 00:26:52,560 And catch the wind... 437 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:02,480 America loved me and others like my pals, as well. 438 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,560 I may as well 439 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:07,920 Try and catch the wind. 440 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,680 Not everybody loved the new guys in town, 441 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:18,120 especially the American establishment. 442 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:25,480 I remember at airports, with our slightly long hair 443 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:29,240 there would be American businessmen with Samsonite cases 444 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,160 turning round and literally... 445 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:35,000 Very rude and people spat at us and things occasionally. 446 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,240 They didn't let us into Disneyland, 447 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,400 that was the same year as Khrushchev wasn't let into Disneyland, 448 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,280 because we had slightly long hair and didn't look like them. 449 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:55,000 Relative latecomers to the British invasion were the Rolling Stones. 450 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:59,600 Their career in America didn't really take off until 1965. 451 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,680 But as had happened in Britain, their mere presence in the USA 452 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:04,680 was enough to infuriate the old guard. 453 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:10,840 The Beatles were kind of wimpy compared to the Rolling Stones. 454 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:15,480 The Rolling Stones, when they came to America, they were known as the ugliest band from England. 455 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:19,200 What do you say to a thing like that? Yes, I suppose. 456 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,120 That was scary. It was cool. 457 00:28:23,120 --> 00:28:27,600 Time is on my side 458 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,160 Yes it is... 459 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:33,760 I remember the first time the Rolling Stones were on The Ed Sullivan Show, 460 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:37,080 Mick Jagger came out wearing a sweatshirt 461 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:41,360 and, I mean, every single one of my teachers the next day 462 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:44,800 was lecturing about how awful the Rolling Stones were. 463 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:46,920 You come running back 464 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:50,160 To me... 465 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:55,000 If the invaders found the metropolitan youth of New York 466 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,720 a little backwards, they were in for a real shock 467 00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,520 when they took their music into the American interior. 468 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:04,680 There they would find the land of their childhood screen idols. 469 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:10,840 Way out west, a lot of the people still dressed in cowboy outfits. 470 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,880 You know, Oklahoma, Wyoming, 471 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:17,000 the men would walk round in Stetsons and cowboy shirts 472 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:18,960 and cowboy boots... 473 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:20,840 Cowboy influence was still there. 474 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:26,240 It was literally, "Wow, this place is fantastic. I want to stay here." 475 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,320 It's absolutely brilliant. 476 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:30,080 I saw her today 477 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:31,840 I saw her face 478 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:33,840 It was a face I loved 479 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:35,240 And I knew 480 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,480 I had to run away 481 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:39,400 And get down on my knees... 482 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,280 I realised my dream. 483 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:45,880 I could go into a shop and buy a Colt 45. 484 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:50,040 Needles and pins... 485 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:52,760 You could do that in the '60s. Unbelievable. 486 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:57,520 The tears I've got to hide... 487 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:03,200 We went to Denver 488 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:07,320 and we did a gig in Denver. We rented a couple of station wagons 489 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:13,520 and we drove down, under a full moon, across the desert to New Mexico. 490 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:20,920 And the window was down in the back and it was a full moon, 491 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,560 and the desert was so light, you know, 492 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:28,000 it was day for night. It was like, "I'm in a movie. 493 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,520 "This is where I belong. I've always wanted to be in the movies. 494 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:35,560 "Well, just stay in the back of this car for the whole ride 495 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:37,920 "until it stops." 496 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:41,840 We were in Oklahoma doing a concert and the promoter said, 497 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:43,400 "What would you guys like to do? 498 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:44,880 "You've got a day off." 499 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:48,120 And straightaway I said, "Could we go horseriding?" 500 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:51,240 You know, like my dream to be a cowboy on a horse. 501 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,920 And I can remember getting up on the horse and thinking, 502 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,840 "Wow! This is high." 503 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,160 Like the pioneers in their covered wagons, 504 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:08,040 the Brits took their music deep into uncharted territory. 505 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:09,960 In the South they would discover 506 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:13,120 an America that they never knew existed. 507 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:19,240 We didn't realise that black Americans had their own separate life, 508 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,880 and that white Americans had their separate life. 509 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:23,760 They had separate radio stations, 510 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:27,440 they had separate restaurants, they had different parts of the bus. 511 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:28,920 They had different toilets. 512 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:32,640 You know, we were not used to that segregation. 513 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,400 I remember one particular night on the Dick Clark tour 514 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:39,480 walking into a restaurant, and Colin and I, both in a friendly way, 515 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:43,600 had our arm around two of The Velvelettes as we walked in. 516 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:47,400 And there was absolute stunned silence in this restaurant. 517 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:51,640 And the tour manager rushed up to us and said, "We have to get out now." 518 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:55,680 He said, "You're going to get us killed, you're going to get us shot. 519 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,280 Many of the British invaders toured the South 520 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,960 with popular black American acts. 521 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,720 Herman's Hermits were paired with Round Robin 522 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,360 and Little Anthony and the Imperials. 523 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:16,800 But we get to the South, Macon, Georgia, 524 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:18,600 and, you know, we're pretty naive 525 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,280 but we understand that there's a whole different vibe. 526 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:25,000 Shimmy shimmy, coco pop, shimmy shimmy bop 527 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:26,800 Shimmy shimmy, coco pop... 528 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,920 And we find that, some nights, we can't hang out with Round Robin 529 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,120 because they won't let us in that hotel. 530 00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,680 You can't go with Little Anthony and the Imperials, 531 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,040 our friends now, our best friends. 532 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:40,720 Wherever they go, we go, cos they know what's going on, right? 533 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:44,960 So we go on. We don't even look at the audience until we walk on stage. 534 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:49,840 And we walk out and it is 12,000, 100% black audience, 535 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:51,560 with their arms folded. 536 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,120 Like... "Who are they?" 537 00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:59,600 For some reason, we got to them. 538 00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:04,400 I think it was Mrs Brown You've Got A Lovely Daughter. 539 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:05,720 "Well, that's cute." 540 00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:12,680 They never applauded or anything, but we got through the evening. 541 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,640 But it's sad 542 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:19,440 She doesn't love me now... 543 00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:26,480 The point is this. Even in 1965, 544 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,440 there was still segregation. 545 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,960 And I think it was illegal by that time, but we were still segregated. 546 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:38,240 And I remember, the bus would stop, you would go into these little convenience stores, 547 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:42,480 on sale there were Ku Klux Klan records. There was one called... 548 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,720 Stand up and be counted 549 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,920 And act just like a man Stand up and be counted 550 00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,360 And join the Ku Klux Klan. 551 00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:53,400 We are a sacred brotherhood who love our country true 552 00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:58,280 We always can be counted on when there's a job to do. 553 00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:00,960 There were all these records openly on sale, 554 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:04,920 many of them were recorded by country music's top stars 555 00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:09,160 and of course, the Confederate flag was everywhere. 556 00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:23,200 These Brits experienced first-hand what America was like in the mid-'60s, 557 00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:26,920 unlike most Americans, who harboured some quaint ideas 558 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,400 about life in Britain. 559 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,760 You really have to think about that time. 560 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,160 Only rich people travelled, for the most part. 561 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:39,760 America, as we well know, is a pretty isolated place, 562 00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:44,480 it's not as if there's a tremendous sense of what the rest of the world is like here very often. 563 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:47,880 'If you want to talk about England, this is England. 564 00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:50,320 'It's almost the same size as Wyoming.' 565 00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:54,760 I remember as a kid thinking, "God, what am I doing in New York, 566 00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,520 "in Greenwich Village where I grew up? 567 00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:59,280 "If only I was in Liverpool!" 568 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:03,080 Li-i-i-fe 569 00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:06,840 Goes on day after day 570 00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:15,480 Hearts torn in every way... 571 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:19,560 They thought we were all from Liverpool. We'd go there and they'd go, 572 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:24,400 "What's Liverpool like?" I'd say, "Actually, I've never been there. By reputation, it's horrible. 573 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:29,120 "It's a horrible ugly port town and everyone I know, including the Beatles, 574 00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:32,640 "got the hell out of there, soon as they could afford the train ticket." 575 00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:37,160 Meanwhile of course, to Americans, Liverpool would become this magical zone 576 00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:40,520 where all these English bands were from. Of course, we weren't. 577 00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:50,040 In American minds, the image of Britain as one groovy little ol' place, 578 00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:55,000 conflated with more misty-eyed notions of the old country. 579 00:35:55,000 --> 00:36:00,400 On the one hand, they had this feeling that it was swinging London, 580 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:05,440 and it was the centre of everything in pop culture, which it was, it absolutely was. 581 00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,680 At the same time, they couldn't divorce that in their minds 582 00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:12,280 from this quaint image of how England ought to be, 583 00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:15,480 and I think it's summed up in that record. 584 00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,360 England swings like a pendulum do 585 00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,400 Bobbies on bicycles two by two 586 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:23,920 Westminster Abbey The tower of Big Ben 587 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:27,360 The rosy red cheeks of the little children. 588 00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:32,360 What's that got to do with swinging London? It was a very bizarre mix 589 00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:35,160 of... The one thing we found, immediately, 590 00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:40,440 you only had to speak in an English accent and people would swoon, wouldn't they? 591 00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:42,800 Unfortunately, that doesn't happen any more! 592 00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,840 England swings like a pendulum do 593 00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,080 Bobbies on bicycles two by two 594 00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,440 Westminster Abbey The tower of Big Ben 595 00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:53,480 And the rosy red cheeks of the little children. 596 00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,840 And you go, "It's like a commercial for Britain! 597 00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:00,720 You huff and puff and you finally save enough money 598 00:37:00,720 --> 00:37:04,000 To take your family on a trip across the sea 599 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,640 Take a tip before you take a trip 600 00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,800 Let me tell you where to go Go to England, oh 601 00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,480 England swings like a pendulum do 602 00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,760 Bobbies on bicycles... 603 00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:19,000 But it was so sweet, so romantic. Americans are a very... 604 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:24,240 I don't want to sound condescending, a sweet, romantic race. 605 00:37:24,240 --> 00:37:28,440 If you listen to it, it is a slightly quaint lyric. 606 00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:32,360 - Very creaky record, actually. - Sorry, Roger! 607 00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:34,200 CHEERING 608 00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:39,000 And it wasn't just Nashville crooners like Roger Miller who were cashing in. 609 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:43,240 Even the British invaders were happy to invoke ye olde England. 610 00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:50,400 Even to this day, Americans think of the English as a bulldog- bites-man-in-the-bum, 611 00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:54,520 and we all live in Tudor houses with bowler hats. 612 00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:59,520 I mean, there was one or two excruciating moments, that we did actually pander to that. 613 00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:05,640 We made it in a field somewhere outside of Windsor. 614 00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:07,320 For your love 615 00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:12,480 For your love... 616 00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:15,560 It was kind of fun, you know. it was fairly harmless. 617 00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:17,360 For your love 618 00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,160 I'd give the stars and the sun 'fore I live 619 00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:21,520 For your love 620 00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,800 To thrill you with delight I'll give you diamonds bright 621 00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:28,080 There'll be things that will excite... 622 00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:33,640 The Yardbirds also gave a guitarist who would one day conquer the US an American baptism. 623 00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:40,040 At that time I was playing bass for the Yardbirds. It was such a thrill, 624 00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:43,200 to actually go to play in America 625 00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:46,000 and do a little bit of research, 626 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:49,560 go to blues clubs, things like that. It was just like heaven. 627 00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,200 As Anglophilia swept the USA, 628 00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:59,600 it was almost inevitable that imitation became the sincerest form of flattery. 629 00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,360 There were American bands who tried to sound like 630 00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,480 and look like the British bands. 631 00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,720 Some... There's a fabulous record by The Knickerbockers called Lies, 632 00:39:07,720 --> 00:39:09,800 you'd think was almost a Beatles record. 633 00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:13,080 Yeah, baby, one of the greatest. With Lies, 634 00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:17,480 welcome Buddy, John, Bo and Jimmy - The Knickerbockers. 635 00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:18,920 CHEERING AND APPLAUSE 636 00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:23,040 Lies lies Telling me that you'll be true 637 00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:26,880 Lies, lies 638 00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:30,240 That's all I ever get from you 639 00:39:30,240 --> 00:39:33,280 Tears, tears 640 00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:36,160 I shed a million tears for you... 641 00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,400 Sir Douglas Quintet...they used to dress 642 00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:41,560 in what they thought was an English style. Groups did that. 643 00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:45,680 I suppose people assume that Sir Douglas Quintet is from England, 644 00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:47,600 but I have a surprise for you. 645 00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:51,920 Believe it or not, these fellows are all from my home state of Texas. 646 00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:56,480 They had She's About A Mover that sounded like She's A Woman. That was a big hit. 647 00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,920 Wow, yeah, what I say 648 00:39:59,920 --> 00:40:02,880 Heh heh 649 00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,400 She's about a mover 650 00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,040 She's about a mover 651 00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:10,680 She's about a mover 652 00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:12,880 She's about a mover... 653 00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:17,520 After a while I don't think you can tell who's listening to who. 654 00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:22,280 You know, I think, it's obvious The Byrds' first record, they'd heard the Beatles. 655 00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:25,360 No use keeping you around 656 00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:28,400 If you don't want me all the way... 657 00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:40,400 In 1964, The Byrds were very much a Beatle clone band, 658 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:41,680 just for a minute. 659 00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:46,320 We had black suits with velvet collars and I remember, 660 00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:50,280 we had them at Zeros, the nightclub, and they were hanging on the rack. 661 00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:55,000 We'd come back and put them on, and go home in jeans and T-shirts. 662 00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,560 One night, we got to Zeros and they were gone. 663 00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:01,760 When I met John Lennon, I told him. He said, "I wish they'd stolen our suits!" 664 00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:05,800 Here we come 665 00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:08,560 Walking down the street... 666 00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:13,040 But the ultimate American Beatles tribute hit TV screens in 1966. 667 00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:16,960 Hey hey we're The Monkees... 668 00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:21,080 It was a show about a band that wanted to be the Beatles... 669 00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:27,120 And never made it, on the television show. 670 00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:31,520 That's, I think, why it touched and connected with so many people. 671 00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:35,640 Here was US television cashing in on the British invasion, 672 00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:39,320 by manufacturing their very own band of cute characters. 673 00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:44,560 Take the last train to Clarksville and I'll meet you at the station 674 00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,200 You can be here by 4.30 675 00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:51,120 Cos I've made your reservation Don't be slow 676 00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:53,600 No, no, no... 677 00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:57,920 We had a poster of the Beatles on the wall and we'd throw darts at it. 678 00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,200 It was about this band 679 00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:03,600 that represented all those bands all over the world, 680 00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:06,640 in their basements, in their garages, playing, 681 00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:10,200 trying to become something like the Beatles. 682 00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:13,040 Warden threw a party at the county jail 683 00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:15,680 The prison band was there they began to wail 684 00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:18,480 The band was jumping.. 685 00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,920 If an American went to Britain, he might hope to see the Queen. 686 00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:25,720 When the British invaders went to America, they wanted to meet the King. 687 00:42:25,720 --> 00:42:29,640 Unfortunately, since the Brits had conquered all, 688 00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:32,840 Elvis had left the building. 689 00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:38,200 We turned up at Elvis' house and knocked on the door, and said, "Is Elvis in?" No security. 690 00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:40,400 We just walked up and said, "Is Elvis in?" 691 00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:43,000 His father came to the door and said, 692 00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:49,600 "Elvis would love to have seen you guys, he loves you. But he's away filming at the moment." 693 00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:52,920 I wonder if 694 00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,000 You're lonesome tonight... 695 00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:58,200 His father said, "Have a look around", and being... 696 00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:02,480 We felt slightly strange about this... Did we actually go in the house? 697 00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:04,760 We mainly walked round the grounds. 698 00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:13,360 As you say, we never actually met him, we only knocked on his door. 699 00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:16,000 He couldn't come out that day! 700 00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:21,720 That's because Elvis was churning out movies in California. 701 00:43:23,720 --> 00:43:26,760 I saw him around in Palm Springs, 702 00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,800 especially at the local TV shop, 703 00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:33,680 because he bought one of the early big screens, one of the early ones. 704 00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:39,600 With the projection, and you had to be sitting right in the middle in order to see the image. 705 00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:42,440 Of course, Elvis would always get centre seat 706 00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:47,640 and the guys were always complaining because the football games would fade away at the edges, 707 00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:51,680 so there was constant complaining and the guy who owns it going, 708 00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:54,960 "It's just the way it comes, Elvis, that's the way it is." 709 00:43:56,560 --> 00:44:01,920 It would be up to plucky Mancunian Peter Noone to get an audience with the King in Hawaii. 710 00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:11,840 So I saw Colonel Parker walking through a hotel lobby in Hawaii. 711 00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:16,960 "You think you could find a way to introduce me to Elvis? My sister and I have got all his records." 712 00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:18,800 You know, my sister! 713 00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:23,880 He goes, "OK, actually, he's in town, he's making a movie. 714 00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:25,560 "But you'd have to get up at 6am." 715 00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:28,240 I didn't sleep, I called my sister. 716 00:44:28,240 --> 00:44:32,160 "What questions shall I ask Elvis, they want me to interview Elvis!" 717 00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:34,240 She said, "Ask him, does he dye his hair?" 718 00:44:34,240 --> 00:44:36,320 PETER: 'When are you coming to England?' 719 00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:37,920 ELVIS: 'Coming to where? 720 00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:41,440 'Oh, excuse me, coming to England. I don't know. 721 00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:44,200 'Maybe in a year or so.' 722 00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:48,160 I was looking at his hair going, "It does look dyed, but I'd better not mention it." 723 00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:50,640 PETER: 'How come you made it without long hair?' 724 00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:53,560 LAUGHTER 725 00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:55,960 But the ultimate transatlantic summit 726 00:44:55,960 --> 00:45:01,480 took place in Los Angeles on Friday, August 27th, 1965. 727 00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:05,640 It was negotiated like the, er, Middle East peace treaty. 728 00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:07,720 There were no pictures ever taken. 729 00:45:07,720 --> 00:45:10,280 There is no picture, ever, of Elvis and the Beatles. 730 00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:15,640 Paul, what are your immediate reflections about last night - 731 00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:17,360 your meeting with Elvis Presley? 732 00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:21,960 Very nice, Larry. Very nice. I had a good time. He's a nice fella. 733 00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:23,960 Just what I expected, in fact. 734 00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:27,360 And, er, we tried to persuade him to make some new records, 735 00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:29,720 like the old records. 736 00:45:29,720 --> 00:45:31,600 So we had a good laugh, a few drinks. 737 00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:34,040 Rocking and rolling, playing the instruments, 738 00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:37,600 - and, er, bit of billiards, bit of roulette. - Roulette? 739 00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:42,920 I had a great time. Yes, yes, gambling away. I lost, of course. I always lose! 740 00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:51,320 Elvis had abdicated but by 1966, 741 00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:54,200 young America had its own bohemian king. 742 00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:57,880 Johnny's in the basement Mixing up the medicine 743 00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:00,520 I'm on the pavement Thinking 'bout the government 744 00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:03,200 The man in the trench coat Badge out, laid off 745 00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:06,080 Says he's got a bad cough Wants to get it paid off 746 00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:08,720 Look out, kid It's something you did 747 00:46:08,720 --> 00:46:12,560 God knows when But you're doing it again... 748 00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:16,400 Bob Dylan's revolutionary blend of poetry and folk rock 749 00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:18,760 put him on an equal standing with the Beatles 750 00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:21,240 in the eyes of many American youth. 751 00:46:21,240 --> 00:46:25,480 And in 1966, the Beatles' American adventure would come to an end 752 00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:27,360 with a third and final tour. 753 00:46:28,720 --> 00:46:32,680 There are places I remember... 754 00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:35,640 A throwaway comment made by John Lennon, 755 00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:38,520 comparing the Beatles to Jesus Christ, 756 00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:41,080 had infuriated the Christian far right. 757 00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:44,760 Ku Klux Klan, being a religious order, 758 00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:49,440 is going to come out here the night that they appear at the Coliseum here, 759 00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:51,520 to stop this performance. 760 00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:53,120 This is nothing but blasphemy. 761 00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:56,240 - Are you burning your Beatles records? - Yes, sir, I burned 'em. 762 00:46:56,240 --> 00:46:58,800 - You burned them yourself? - I already burned 'em. 763 00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:01,080 And some are living 764 00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:06,280 In my life I've loved them all... 765 00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:12,600 A reluctant climb-down marked the end of innocence 766 00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:15,720 for the Beatles' special relationship with America. 767 00:47:15,720 --> 00:47:21,360 - Mr Lennon, could you tell us what you really meant by that statement? - Christ? When I was talking about it, 768 00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:25,760 it was very close and intimate with this person that I know, who happens to be a reporter. 769 00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:29,120 I was using expressions on things that I'd just read, 770 00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:31,600 and derived, about Christianity. 771 00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:36,240 Only I was saying it in the simplest form that I know, which is the natural way I talk. 772 00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:43,600 But more importantly, playing live had begun to limit the band. 773 00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:46,760 Tell me that you've got everything you want 774 00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:49,400 And your bird can sing... 775 00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:53,720 The previous year's Shea stadium gig had broken attendance records, 776 00:47:53,720 --> 00:47:56,600 but also marked the beginning of the end. 777 00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:00,800 It did eventually get to be too much. At first we liked it, 778 00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:05,720 cos it was the novelty and the excitement - it was like, "Wow, we're going down great." 779 00:48:05,720 --> 00:48:08,320 But after a while, we started to get a bit annoyed 780 00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:12,600 that we couldn't hear what we were playing. The novelty wore off a bit. 781 00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:16,120 When your prized possessions 782 00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:18,360 Start to weigh you down... 783 00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:22,560 We still loved the fans and loved that we were going down so well, but we DID want to hear 784 00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:26,480 what we were doing. You know, we WERE musicians, after all. 785 00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:34,000 It was just like... God, you know, it's just, er... 786 00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:36,880 "This isn't good for our musical development." 787 00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:40,360 And we were making records by then 788 00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:45,720 where we were exploring a little bit and moving a little bit further forward from what we'd done - 789 00:48:45,720 --> 00:48:47,600 repackaging American music. 790 00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:51,120 We were now kind of making our own in-roads, 791 00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:55,440 and THEY were now repackaging our music and sending it - 792 00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:57,960 mirroring it - back to us. 793 00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:03,720 Although the Beatles wouldn't return to American soil after 1966, 794 00:49:03,720 --> 00:49:07,120 they would remain avatars for American youth 795 00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:11,280 through their increasingly progressive studio albums. 796 00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:13,640 And for the British invasion as a whole, 797 00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:15,680 the tide was beginning to turn. 798 00:49:17,720 --> 00:49:22,440 In a couple of years, you know, suddenly, the Beatles are making Rubber Soul 799 00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:26,440 and the Rolling Stones are making Aftermath, and you're having a kind of maturity. 800 00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:33,680 Certain of these bands are part of what had been 801 00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:35,880 this fad of rock'n'roll, 802 00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:41,640 and certain of them were really, kind of, creating a new music. 803 00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:43,120 Under my thumb 804 00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:48,200 The girl who once had me down... 805 00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:52,800 And that was where, you know, like, bands like The Searchers or Gerry And The Pacemakers, 806 00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:57,200 or certainly Freddie And The Dreamers, Wayne Fontana And The Mindbenders. 807 00:49:57,200 --> 00:50:02,160 You know, there was a difference between who was doing what, 808 00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:06,360 and who was going to stick around and who wasn't. 809 00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:11,800 I'm leaning on the lamp 810 00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:14,120 Maybe you think 811 00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:15,840 I look a tramp... 812 00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:20,240 A division grew between those Brits who wanted to be part of the counter-culture 813 00:50:20,240 --> 00:50:23,200 and those who were pure entertainers. 814 00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:28,920 Suddenly, the idea that musicians could - 815 00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:31,080 which I always found preposterous... 816 00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:33,800 Musicians could have some political influence. 817 00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:35,920 I thought we were on the other team. 818 00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:39,880 I'd always thought we were on the team with no influence on anybody except girls - 819 00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:44,920 and if you're really lucky, some guys'll like the music, as well, and you'll sell twice as much. 820 00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:49,600 I'm leaning on the lamppost at the corner of the street 821 00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:53,200 In case a certain little lady comes by... 822 00:50:55,920 --> 00:51:00,200 There was a lot of tension because of the Vietnam War. 823 00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:03,000 The old guard was saying, "We must defend the country," 824 00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:06,880 and young guys were saying, "I don't want to get killed for this. This is stupid." 825 00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:11,440 It was just such a hot issue, and there were so many people, 826 00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:15,600 you couldn't lie about it and say, "Oh, it's great," or, "I have nothing to say." 827 00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:18,160 You were in a corner, so you had to speak the truth. 828 00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:21,600 In America, people keep asking about Vietnam - does this seem useful? 829 00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:25,400 I don't know. If you can say that war's no good and a few people believe you, 830 00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:28,640 it may be good. You can't say it too much - that's the trouble. 831 00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:33,400 It seems silly to be in America and for none of them to mention Vietnam, as if nothing was happening. 832 00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:36,400 But why should they ask YOU? You're successful entertainers. 833 00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:39,920 Americans always ask showbiz people what they think about it. 834 00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:43,000 So do the British. Showbiz - you know how it is(!) 835 00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:48,360 I was chastised by everybody because I supported the war in Vietnam. 836 00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:51,720 Somebody asked me my opinion. I need to be able to sleep at night. 837 00:51:51,720 --> 00:51:52,920 A little more bottom. 838 00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:59,200 Monterey Pop in 1967 was the epiphany for a new counter-culture. 839 00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:03,440 The first major festival, it was a showcase 840 00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:06,880 for the psychedelic courts of both London and San Francisco, 841 00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:08,960 during the Summer of Love. 842 00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:13,720 You had your Monterey Pop festival, which was an enormous influence 843 00:52:13,720 --> 00:52:19,440 on anybody in music or fashion or culture, on that California coast. 844 00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:23,080 The Who were on it. 845 00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:28,520 Jimi Hendrix, who was almost a British act, really, was on it. 846 00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:36,040 A great gathering of people. A great ensemble of music, of all genres. 847 00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:44,560 People there just...for the event, in an atmosphere of peace and love, 848 00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:46,480 and just thoroughly enjoying it. 849 00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:52,080 You know, Monterey was extremely important, in terms of 850 00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:56,680 ushering in this next phase of what popular music generally - 851 00:52:56,680 --> 00:53:00,880 but also popular music from England, specifically - was going to be. 852 00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:06,440 Some of the British invasion would join the new counter-culture. 853 00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:08,440 They had saved American rock'n'roll 854 00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:12,080 and now they were going to save America itself. 855 00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:17,960 And from 1967 onwards, messianic zeal would replace cheeky-chappy. 856 00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:20,600 I think that pop musicians in today's generation 857 00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:23,640 are in a fantastic position - they could rule the world. 858 00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:26,200 We have the power, we have the tolerance. 859 00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:29,120 We can go in front of a television camera, we can go on the air, 860 00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:31,760 and we can say with definition that Hitler was wrong, 861 00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:35,320 that Rockwell is wrong, that people who hate Negroes are wrong, right? 862 00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:38,880 - And we can get up there and shout it to the world, Pete. - But I don't... 863 00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:42,040 We can shout it to the world, so why don't we do more of it? 864 00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:45,600 I've known Peter for many years, and he's a good Lancashire lad - 865 00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:47,640 got his feet on the ground. 866 00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:52,120 He just thinks a little differently, or did at that point, to me. 867 00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:54,920 I think I kind of viewed him as... 868 00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:02,160 ..moving more towards the, er, side of the status quo and that everything was OK, 869 00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:04,600 and I was saying, "No, not everything's OK." 870 00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:06,720 That's what I'm saying - we can... 871 00:54:06,720 --> 00:54:10,800 - We can stop world wars before they ever started. - I disagree. 872 00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:16,280 - I don't believe that you can... - You know who start world wars? People that are over 40. 873 00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:19,800 The other people in the interview, like Graham Nash, treated me like... 874 00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:22,960 And Graham Gouldman - who were my friends from Manchester. 875 00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:26,000 "Oh, it's ridiculous - so naive." Well, yeah! 876 00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:28,800 I'm 18 - I can think and say whatever I want. 877 00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:33,360 Look what's just happened - you'd just assassinated President Kennedy, The Beatles just came 878 00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:36,240 and changed your complete culture of this country. 879 00:54:36,240 --> 00:54:40,200 I said, you know, "We can make this a better place. 880 00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:42,000 "We can speak our minds. 881 00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:44,840 "We can utilise music as a form of true communication." 882 00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:47,160 Today, because the kids are so tolerant, 883 00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:51,320 and they really want to understand what people are trying to say, 884 00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:54,600 then they'll go with Donovan 99% of the way, 885 00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:58,840 because what he's trying to put over is best for everybody. 886 00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:02,960 It'll stop... What Donovan's trying to put over will stop wars dead. 887 00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:05,200 MUSIC: "Hurdy Gurdy Man" by Donovan 888 00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:08,000 Thrown like a star in my vast sleep 889 00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:10,280 I open my eyes to take a peep 890 00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:14,440 To find that I was by the sea... 891 00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:17,920 Popular culture was in trouble - two wars and a depression. 892 00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:23,160 A nuclear disaster hovering over the whole world, 893 00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:24,960 and Vietnam War. 894 00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:28,360 A greedy grab for money, 895 00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:32,200 and suffering by the hundreds of thousands. 896 00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:35,360 Hurdy gurdy, gurdy, gurdy, gurdy 897 00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:37,720 Gurdy, gurdy, he sang... 898 00:55:37,720 --> 00:55:44,000 Somehow, through the supposedly safe avenue 899 00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:45,920 of a 45-revs-per-minute single 900 00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:51,080 and a beautiful young boy singer, called Donovan - 901 00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:53,840 that was how we did it. 902 00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:56,960 That's how these issues could be sung - through pop music. 903 00:55:56,960 --> 00:56:00,440 Histories of ages past 904 00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:02,400 Unenlightened shadows cast... 905 00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:05,600 Then the drugs thing came, on top of that. 906 00:56:07,240 --> 00:56:12,440 Everybody suddenly became more, sort of, cool and "my guru" and all that. 907 00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:15,120 Singing songs of lo-o-ove... 908 00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:19,960 And what happened was great, cos all the guys would go in a room to smoke dope and talk about, 909 00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:23,440 you know, the meaning of life, the war in Vietnam... 910 00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:25,840 So we'd take their girls out. 911 00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:32,800 Steal their girlfriends. It all was working out pretty good for us. 912 00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:36,360 We didn't realise that the guru world would eventually take it over. 913 00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:45,560 By 1968, the axis of influence in music had shifted firmly west - 914 00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:48,640 and if you wanted to be significant in this new world, 915 00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:51,160 you had to leave the British invasion behind. 916 00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:54,080 I think it was the difference between people 917 00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:57,440 that drank a lot of beer and people that smoked a lot of pot. 918 00:56:57,440 --> 00:57:01,880 It's a different way of thinking. Pot, for me, opened up my mind to... 919 00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:07,600 ..infinite possibilities about what I could do with my life. 920 00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:12,280 We became very different people, you know? I wasn't... 921 00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:15,720 I wasn't happy to be writing Hollies songs any more - you know, 922 00:57:15,720 --> 00:57:20,360 the "moon, June, screw me in the back of the car coming down the hill" kind of pop songs. 923 00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:23,200 We were brilliant at it, but I was a little tired of that. 924 00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:25,320 Teach 925 00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:28,160 Your children well 926 00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:29,960 Their father's hell... 927 00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:33,840 Graham Nash swapped Manchester for Los Angeles 928 00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:36,120 and formed Crosby, Stills and Nash - 929 00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:39,080 a supergroup of transatlantic long-hairs. 930 00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:45,280 I listened to Horace Greeley! "Go west, young man, go west." 931 00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:49,880 I went to where the music was, and the music - 932 00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:54,080 in my mind, right then - was David and Stephen and myself. 933 00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:58,680 They lived in Hollywood, so I came to Hollywood and moved to Laurel Canyon, 934 00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:02,080 and shared the house with Joni Mitchell. 935 00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:13,360 The British invasion, like all fashions, came to an end. 936 00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:16,040 It had been a process of mutual self-discovery. 937 00:58:16,040 --> 00:58:18,080 It's the time 938 00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:19,560 Of the season... 939 00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:21,720 We helped them come of age... 940 00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:24,120 When love runs high 941 00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:25,600 And this time... 942 00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:28,120 ..and they helped show us the future. 943 00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:33,320 And let me try with pleasured hands 944 00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:35,920 To take you in the sun... 945 00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:40,720 From now on, America would be the land of opportunity for British rock. 946 00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:44,960 It's the time of the season 947 00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:47,240 For loving... 948 00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:52,160 A new frontier and a new market for the next generation to go west. 949 00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:58,400 This whole British invasion had really taken off over there, 950 00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:03,480 and, er, you know, I just came in and managed to enjoy a major part of it. 951 00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:16,600 Subtitles by Red Bee Media Ltd 952 00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:19,880 E-mail subtitling@bbc.co.uk 81798

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