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That's what I do. 9 00:01:47,649 --> 00:01:53,196 So I find this painting that's cataloged as after Leonardo. 10 00:01:56,491 --> 00:02:01,413 It's a copy after the lost salvator mundi, 11 00:02:01,496 --> 00:02:05,500 the savior of the world, that we know Leonardo did. 12 00:02:06,418 --> 00:02:09,212 Jesus is not an easy sell. 13 00:02:09,296 --> 00:02:12,883 But for whatever reason... 14 00:02:14,092 --> 00:02:17,095 This picture attracts my attention. 15 00:02:17,679 --> 00:02:20,766 And I call Robert Simon. 16 00:02:24,561 --> 00:02:26,521 [Robert] We have purchased paintings together. 17 00:02:26,605 --> 00:02:28,231 We've done very well with them. 18 00:02:28,899 --> 00:02:31,234 He enjoys the same hunt. 19 00:02:31,318 --> 00:02:32,986 Alex called me and said... 20 00:02:33,987 --> 00:02:36,865 "Have you seen this picture down in New Orleans auction?" 21 00:02:36,948 --> 00:02:40,410 [Alexander] He said, "yeah, lsawit too. What shall we do?" 22 00:02:40,494 --> 00:02:43,997 And we decided to buy it. We're gonna buy it. 23 00:02:45,290 --> 00:02:46,833 [Robert] We agreed on a price. 24 00:02:48,877 --> 00:02:50,754 Alex arranges for the shipment. 25 00:02:50,837 --> 00:02:55,258 I think it was sent ups on a truck to New York. 26 00:02:57,719 --> 00:03:00,722 [Dramatic music playing] 27 00:04:05,203 --> 00:04:06,246 [Man] And we're rolling. 28 00:04:06,329 --> 00:04:07,831 - [Woman] Rolling. - [Man] Yeah. 29 00:04:09,124 --> 00:04:10,709 - [Woman] Rolling. - [Man] Good. 30 00:04:10,792 --> 00:04:13,295 I'm gonna open with a very broad question. 31 00:04:13,378 --> 00:04:16,631 Why do you think the salvator mundi has caused so much fuss? 32 00:04:16,715 --> 00:04:18,717 First, let me say this. 33 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:21,720 This is the most improbable story 34 00:04:21,803 --> 00:04:24,973 that has, I think, ever happened in the art market. 35 00:04:25,056 --> 00:04:27,392 Everybody wanted it to be a Leonardo. 36 00:04:27,476 --> 00:04:30,812 And so everybody took the most optimistic view they could 37 00:04:30,896 --> 00:04:32,439 of it as a Leonardo. 38 00:04:32,522 --> 00:04:34,274 And perhaps it is a Leonardo. 39 00:04:34,357 --> 00:04:36,777 It's not even a good painting! 40 00:04:36,860 --> 00:04:39,362 I believe that a picture has its own power 41 00:04:39,446 --> 00:04:42,991 and that power is experienced only truly 42 00:04:43,074 --> 00:04:45,660 when you're standing in front of it. 43 00:04:45,744 --> 00:04:48,663 This is simply a matter of economics when you boil down to it. 44 00:04:48,747 --> 00:04:53,126 And greed. Basic human, uh, foibles. 45 00:04:55,295 --> 00:04:56,295 Money. 46 00:04:57,589 --> 00:05:00,592 [Pensive music playing] 47 00:05:12,312 --> 00:05:14,523 The picture came in a cardboard box, 48 00:05:14,606 --> 00:05:18,693 which is kind of what you'd expect for the sort of money we spent. 49 00:05:19,444 --> 00:05:20,821 And I took it out... 50 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:26,451 And two things are immediately apparent. 51 00:05:26,535 --> 00:05:29,538 And I mean... within five seconds. 52 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:35,836 One, there's clearly a great deal of overpaint. 53 00:05:35,919 --> 00:05:41,758 Restoration on the face of Christ. 54 00:05:44,678 --> 00:05:49,057 There's clearly a large swath of the painting... 55 00:05:49,975 --> 00:05:54,187 That is untouched, UN-restored... 56 00:05:54,896 --> 00:05:58,358 And absolutely period. 57 00:05:59,150 --> 00:06:02,487 By that, I mean circa 1500. 58 00:06:05,156 --> 00:06:09,578 [Robert] I'm thinking, "this is an extraordinary object." 59 00:06:09,661 --> 00:06:13,498 But what it is, I don't know. But we have to find out. 60 00:06:16,877 --> 00:06:20,171 It's a work from around the year 1500, 61 00:06:20,255 --> 00:06:24,092 probably by one of these artists so close to the master 62 00:06:24,175 --> 00:06:30,015 that it deserved, really, to have, um, the best possible care. 63 00:06:32,642 --> 00:06:33,768 I'm Evan beard. 64 00:06:33,852 --> 00:06:37,856 I, uh, run the art services group at bank of america. 65 00:06:38,356 --> 00:06:40,942 We 're the largest lender against art. 66 00:06:41,026 --> 00:06:44,863 We manage about 100 museum endowments around the country. 67 00:06:44,946 --> 00:06:48,575 This picture, it tells both an art historical story, 68 00:06:48,658 --> 00:06:52,245 but it also tells the history of financial markets, 69 00:06:52,329 --> 00:06:57,000 tells the history of the rise of social and cultural capital. 70 00:07:00,921 --> 00:07:06,801 So they bring the picture to probably the top art conservation professional 71 00:07:06,885 --> 00:07:09,012 in the entire field, 72 00:07:09,095 --> 00:07:10,680 dianne modest/hi. 73 00:07:12,474 --> 00:07:16,519 He comes over carrying this painting in, um... 74 00:07:17,312 --> 00:07:20,190 A black plastic garbage bag. 75 00:07:23,735 --> 00:07:28,281 And I take the painting out of the bag and put it on an easel. 76 00:07:31,159 --> 00:07:33,828 There are very lovely passages 77 00:07:34,454 --> 00:07:39,459 and other passages are very damaged, overpainted. 78 00:07:41,127 --> 00:07:42,712 I still didn't know what it was 79 00:07:42,796 --> 00:07:47,467 and I brought it to Mario in the bedroom. 80 00:07:47,968 --> 00:07:53,223 [Robert] Mario modestini is a celebrated painting conservator of all time. 81 00:07:56,810 --> 00:08:02,565 He also vetted the ginevra de' benci for the national gallery. 82 00:08:02,649 --> 00:08:05,193 The only Leonardo in the western hemisphere. 83 00:08:07,654 --> 00:08:11,491 This is a man who's seen a lot of Leonardo 84 00:08:11,574 --> 00:08:14,035 and he might be interested in seeing the picture. 85 00:08:14,911 --> 00:08:18,373 At the time, he was 98 years old and housebound. 86 00:08:19,082 --> 00:08:21,084 [Dianne] I said, "Mario, look at this picture. 87 00:08:21,167 --> 00:08:22,502 What do you think of it?" 88 00:08:23,461 --> 00:08:26,589 And he suddenly kind of paid attention to it. 89 00:08:26,673 --> 00:08:31,678 And he said, "this is by a very great artist." 90 00:08:34,139 --> 00:08:38,977 And he said, "I don't know who it is, but it's the generation after Leonardo." 91 00:08:41,229 --> 00:08:47,235 I took some solvents from the cabinet, acetone and mineral spirits, 92 00:08:47,318 --> 00:08:52,198 and I rolled cotton wool on a stick. 93 00:08:53,575 --> 00:08:58,747 Then I began slowly to remove the varnish and some retouching. 94 00:09:02,584 --> 00:09:06,504 And one of the things that immediately appears 95 00:09:09,132 --> 00:09:12,594 a first position of the thumb. 96 00:09:20,351 --> 00:09:24,230 This is called "pentiment." It's an artist's first idea. 97 00:09:24,314 --> 00:09:28,151 The thumb was subsequently moved to a different position. 98 00:09:28,234 --> 00:09:31,362 And you don't usually find that in a copy, 99 00:09:31,446 --> 00:09:35,658 but it's not proof that it's definitely the original. 100 00:09:35,742 --> 00:09:39,120 Uh, at least it wasn't proof for me. 101 00:09:41,956 --> 00:09:43,625 As I remove retouching, 102 00:09:43,708 --> 00:09:45,502 the thumb appears immediately, 103 00:09:45,585 --> 00:09:47,337 as does, um... 104 00:09:48,254 --> 00:09:53,635 A, um, lot of damage in the head. 105 00:09:55,929 --> 00:10:00,558 I notice that there's a very wide white fill, 106 00:10:00,642 --> 00:10:04,270 quite recent, that is covering a crack. 107 00:10:06,898 --> 00:10:09,859 This crack that runs through the panel 108 00:10:09,943 --> 00:10:13,822 is actually from a knot 109 00:10:13,905 --> 00:10:15,990 that's low down in the center. 110 00:10:18,284 --> 00:10:19,786 [Robert] Next day, dianne calls me. 111 00:10:19,869 --> 00:10:21,830 "Bob, I've cleaned the picture. 112 00:10:22,580 --> 00:10:25,083 And you have to come over and see it." 113 00:10:26,292 --> 00:10:27,627 I'm faced with two things. 114 00:10:27,710 --> 00:10:32,966 One is a picture that I see is severely damaged, 115 00:10:33,049 --> 00:10:34,968 but all of the very amateurish, 116 00:10:35,051 --> 00:10:40,640 brownish, reddish paint that was an attempt to create a beard is gone. 117 00:10:40,723 --> 00:10:45,270 So I knew that it really needed conservation treatment 118 00:10:45,353 --> 00:10:46,896 at the very highest level. 119 00:10:51,067 --> 00:10:52,944 [Dianne] Mario dies in January. 120 00:10:57,490 --> 00:11:01,327 And I began to work on the salvator mundi in my studio. 121 00:11:02,328 --> 00:11:03,328 Alone. 122 00:11:05,165 --> 00:11:08,168 [Emotional music playing] 123 00:11:15,466 --> 00:11:16,467 I would... 124 00:11:18,511 --> 00:11:22,849 Carry on a conversation with Mario the entire time. 125 00:11:29,606 --> 00:11:31,524 I didn't talk to him out loud. 126 00:11:32,483 --> 00:11:35,570 Except maybe once or twice. [Chuckles] 127 00:11:35,653 --> 00:11:40,617 But I would just have this dialogue with him in my head. 128 00:11:40,700 --> 00:11:44,078 I could hear him say, "he looks like he has a toothache." 129 00:11:44,162 --> 00:11:46,664 And I would do it over again. 130 00:11:46,748 --> 00:11:49,083 Or he would say, "nose is crooked." 131 00:11:52,003 --> 00:11:55,506 Mario's face and the salvator mundi's face, you know, 132 00:11:55,590 --> 00:11:58,801 they kind of shift back and forth in my mind. 133 00:12:15,652 --> 00:12:21,950 One evening, I am wrestling for the tenth time 134 00:12:22,033 --> 00:12:25,912 with retouching a small loss, 135 00:12:25,995 --> 00:12:30,375 which is just above the lip, right here. 136 00:12:31,459 --> 00:12:34,754 And there is a transition in this area 137 00:12:34,837 --> 00:12:38,758 from the lip to the upper lip, 138 00:12:38,841 --> 00:12:41,886 um, that is imperceptible. 139 00:12:41,970 --> 00:12:45,890 There is no line there, for the edge of the lip 140 00:12:45,974 --> 00:12:48,893 is exactly what is present 141 00:12:48,977 --> 00:12:52,605 in the same area of the Mona Lisa. 142 00:12:52,689 --> 00:12:55,108 [Dramatic music playing] 143 00:12:56,484 --> 00:12:57,819 My hands are shaking. 144 00:12:57,902 --> 00:13:03,992 No one except Leonardo could have painted this picture. 145 00:13:07,996 --> 00:13:12,709 I leave the building and call Robert and say, 146 00:13:12,792 --> 00:13:14,711 "the painting is by Leonardo." 147 00:13:22,093 --> 00:13:24,137 [Robert] I think at that point... 148 00:13:25,805 --> 00:13:30,059 "What can we do? What is there to do with this picture?" 149 00:13:30,143 --> 00:13:34,605 There are only, by most people's count, 150 00:13:34,689 --> 00:13:38,651 about 15 leonardos known. 151 00:13:39,235 --> 00:13:44,449 And to say, "I have found a picture like this," 152 00:13:44,532 --> 00:13:48,077 is, in our circles, akin to saying, 153 00:13:48,161 --> 00:13:52,874 "I had a spaceship on my lawn last night and I saw some unicorns." 154 00:13:52,957 --> 00:13:55,376 It's just so far-fetched. 155 00:13:56,085 --> 00:13:59,505 Don't even try to convince yourself that it's right, 156 00:13:59,589 --> 00:14:01,966 because you're just gonna look like a fool. 157 00:14:02,050 --> 00:14:04,635 [Laughing] 158 00:14:04,719 --> 00:14:09,140 "The most famous artist of the high renaissance." 159 00:14:09,682 --> 00:14:12,852 Those paintings are heavily documented. 160 00:14:12,935 --> 00:14:16,147 And, all of a sudden, we have this one. 161 00:14:16,898 --> 00:14:20,318 It disappears for hundreds of years. 162 00:14:20,401 --> 00:14:24,781 And then it turns up in america? 163 00:14:25,448 --> 00:14:27,158 In New Orleans? 164 00:14:27,575 --> 00:14:30,411 Oh! I see. 165 00:14:31,829 --> 00:14:35,833 Here's the lost Leonardo that somebody once mentioned in a book. 166 00:14:38,086 --> 00:14:40,088 [Evan] When you go back to old masters, 167 00:14:40,171 --> 00:14:42,465 the provenance is very important 168 00:14:42,548 --> 00:14:45,760 because that line of ownership tells its story. 169 00:14:46,427 --> 00:14:49,889 Where did this object come from, and in what context 170 00:14:49,972 --> 00:14:52,975 did it land in the moment it's in right now? 171 00:14:54,143 --> 00:14:58,940 So, you know, Robert spent a lot of time going through archives 172 00:14:59,023 --> 00:15:01,859 and starting to piece together a provenance, 173 00:15:01,943 --> 00:15:06,739 because any picture, if it doesn't have a provenance, there's doubt. 174 00:15:06,823 --> 00:15:10,952 There's reasons for people not to believe what it is. 175 00:15:12,703 --> 00:15:16,916 [Robert] I was able to trace the painting's whereabouts to the year 1900, 176 00:15:16,999 --> 00:15:21,421 when it was sold at a London auction as attributed to luini. 177 00:15:22,046 --> 00:15:24,465 But then the trail went cold. 178 00:15:26,467 --> 00:15:30,138 I looked through old British inventories from the 17th century 179 00:15:30,805 --> 00:15:35,184 and I found two possible citations in the collection of Charles I. 180 00:15:35,726 --> 00:15:40,857 And my colleague Margaret dalivalle found one in the collection of Charles ii. 181 00:15:42,024 --> 00:15:45,570 Our painting does not have the royal brand on its reverse, 182 00:15:45,653 --> 00:15:48,573 as the panel has been thinned and rebacked. 183 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:53,369 It seems possible, but not provable, that this is the same painting. 184 00:15:54,454 --> 00:15:57,582 But still today, we don't know exactly which one it might be. 185 00:16:03,087 --> 00:16:04,887 [Evan] Particularly in the old masters' space, 186 00:16:04,964 --> 00:16:08,301 opinions matter more than facts at any one time. 187 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:12,597 And you always start with the two or three 188 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:16,058 who are most willing to potentially listen to you 189 00:16:16,142 --> 00:16:18,853 that this could be by the hand of the master. 190 00:16:19,854 --> 00:16:21,564 When you're a museum curator, 191 00:16:21,647 --> 00:16:25,860 you quite often get sent images by e-mail, 192 00:16:25,943 --> 00:16:28,321 transparencies, whatever they might be, 193 00:16:28,404 --> 00:16:33,701 of pictures that people hope might be lost or forgotten masterpieces. 194 00:16:33,784 --> 00:16:36,746 And I have to say that for the most part, 195 00:16:36,829 --> 00:16:40,333 they are, to put it politely, somewhat disappointing. 196 00:16:40,416 --> 00:16:46,923 So when I was sent a transparency of the salvator mundi, 197 00:16:47,006 --> 00:16:51,802 I was, [have to say, somewhat skeptical about what one would see. 198 00:16:54,138 --> 00:16:56,224 And I looked at it and I thought, 199 00:16:56,724 --> 00:17:00,645 "gosh, this feels powerful." 200 00:17:01,479 --> 00:17:06,192 And I felt it needed to be seen in the flesh. 201 00:17:07,276 --> 00:17:11,864 So he suggested that he would invite 202 00:17:11,948 --> 00:17:16,077 the leading scholars on Leonardo to see the painting 203 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:19,372 in kind of the neutral territory 204 00:17:19,455 --> 00:17:22,500 of the painting conservation lab at the national gallery. 205 00:17:23,084 --> 00:17:29,549 What I was hoping to do in gathering the scholars at the national gallery 206 00:17:29,632 --> 00:17:33,219 was to look carefully at the picture 207 00:17:33,302 --> 00:17:36,138 and how it spoke to that group of people. 208 00:17:39,308 --> 00:17:40,434 I'm Martin kemp, 209 00:17:40,518 --> 00:17:43,980 emeritus professor of the history of art, University of Oxford. 210 00:17:46,524 --> 00:17:50,236 The salvator mundi came out of the blue literally as a surprise, 211 00:17:50,319 --> 00:17:54,490 because there's been no authentic Leonardo painting for over 100 years. 212 00:17:54,574 --> 00:17:59,036 So you don't sit there waiting for one to come along. 213 00:18:00,413 --> 00:18:05,585 We knew that Leonardo had been involved with the subject of the salvator mundi. 214 00:18:05,668 --> 00:18:07,878 We also have two drawings at windsor, 215 00:18:07,962 --> 00:18:10,756 very beautiful red chalk drawings for draperies, 216 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:12,925 one for the chest with the gathered drapery, 217 00:18:13,009 --> 00:18:15,761 and the other for the arm and sleeve. 218 00:18:15,845 --> 00:18:18,556 So we know he was involved in planning that. 219 00:18:22,184 --> 00:18:26,188 There are quite a lot of copies. I think we're now up to plus 20. 220 00:18:29,692 --> 00:18:33,029 But I thought that if Leonardo had painted an original, 221 00:18:33,112 --> 00:18:35,781 the chance of it turning up was very small. 222 00:18:37,116 --> 00:18:39,327 [Evan] A Leonardo can be several different things. 223 00:18:39,410 --> 00:18:42,663 There's works that are fully accepted from the hand of the master, 224 00:18:42,747 --> 00:18:45,750 and you will see them labeled by Leonardo. 225 00:18:48,461 --> 00:18:51,005 But there are also workshop of Leonardo. 226 00:18:52,131 --> 00:18:55,217 He was guiding perhaps a student on the work, 227 00:18:55,301 --> 00:18:57,845 but there's not firm agreement that the entire work 228 00:18:57,928 --> 00:18:59,889 is from the hand of the author. 229 00:19:02,141 --> 00:19:04,310 You have circle of Leonardo 's, 230 00:19:04,393 --> 00:19:08,522 followers that did work in their style and in their manner. 231 00:19:09,190 --> 00:19:12,610 And then finally, follower of Leonardo, 232 00:19:12,693 --> 00:19:15,738 who is doing his picture in the artist's style. 233 00:19:18,949 --> 00:19:23,037 If this picture was the follower of a follower of Da Vinci, 234 00:19:23,120 --> 00:19:28,417 it would be worth what Mr. Simon paid for it, $1100. 235 00:19:28,501 --> 00:19:31,754 If it was a student of, 236 00:19:32,254 --> 00:19:36,884 say he was working under Da Vinci at the time, like boltraffio was, 237 00:19:36,967 --> 00:19:40,930 it would be exponentially more valuable than that. 238 00:19:41,013 --> 00:19:43,683 And if it was by the hand of the master, 239 00:19:43,766 --> 00:19:46,394 then it would be, not exponentially, 240 00:19:46,477 --> 00:19:50,231 but exponentially upon exponentially more valuable. 241 00:19:50,314 --> 00:19:52,733 Uh, the curve is rather absurd. 242 00:19:54,527 --> 00:19:59,198 We had already begun to plan the Leonardo exhibition, 243 00:19:59,281 --> 00:20:02,576 which had some major loans already agreed. 244 00:20:02,660 --> 00:20:04,662 [Speaking indistinctly] 245 00:20:05,621 --> 00:20:07,915 The issue was how to take this picture to London. 246 00:20:07,998 --> 00:20:12,128 It was unframed and a special box was built for it, 247 00:20:12,211 --> 00:20:15,798 and it was small enough so that it could be hand-carried 248 00:20:15,881 --> 00:20:18,843 and go through the X-ray machine. 249 00:20:18,926 --> 00:20:22,012 [Adventurous music playing] 250 00:20:31,814 --> 00:20:34,358 The next day, I go to the national gallery, 251 00:20:34,442 --> 00:20:40,156 where it awaits the arrival of the invited scholars. 252 00:20:41,615 --> 00:20:46,412 [Evan] You're dealing with the ego and dreams of academics. 253 00:20:46,495 --> 00:20:50,207 Every academic wants to make a discovery. 254 00:20:51,459 --> 00:20:57,798 I'm trying, when I'm going to London, not to set up expectations. 255 00:20:57,882 --> 00:20:59,425 Expectations are dangerous 256 00:20:59,508 --> 00:21:01,844 because you end up seeing what you want to see. 257 00:21:05,556 --> 00:21:08,017 I decided to play it as cool as I could, 258 00:21:08,100 --> 00:21:13,522 and looked at it, and clearly, it's got a presence. 259 00:21:13,606 --> 00:21:15,983 Leonardos have a strange presence. 260 00:21:16,066 --> 00:21:19,904 They are very assertive, but at the same time very ambiguous. 261 00:21:20,988 --> 00:21:23,616 And Leonardo does that. Other people can't. 262 00:21:27,411 --> 00:21:29,205 I'm Maria Teresa fiorio. 263 00:21:29,288 --> 00:21:34,168 I worked in the museums of the city of Milano. 264 00:22:13,833 --> 00:22:16,293 [Martin] I always have a magnifying glass with me, 265 00:22:16,377 --> 00:22:17,837 which may seem pretentious, 266 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:21,090 but it actually serves me well in these circumstances. 267 00:22:21,173 --> 00:22:24,885 It means I can shut up and just get on with looking at something, 268 00:22:24,969 --> 00:22:29,598 rather than having to ramble on about it. 269 00:22:29,682 --> 00:22:32,852 So there's an amazing moment. 270 00:22:32,935 --> 00:22:34,937 [Suspenseful music playing] 271 00:22:40,150 --> 00:22:44,405 I didn't really get any answer, I didn't get any direct answer from them. 272 00:22:44,488 --> 00:22:48,284 They were... I also knew not to insist. 273 00:22:49,034 --> 00:22:51,662 [Man] So did you get to talk to all of the scholars 274 00:22:51,745 --> 00:22:55,207 and did you ask them directly, "is it Leonardo?" 275 00:22:55,958 --> 00:23:00,880 I sometimes think that it's better to hear opinions over... 276 00:23:01,505 --> 00:23:03,215 The course of a conversation. 277 00:23:03,299 --> 00:23:06,802 So there was certainly no moment where we voted, 278 00:23:06,886 --> 00:23:10,848 or where I put this question to people directly. 279 00:23:10,931 --> 00:23:14,560 It was much more a kind of sense of what their response was. 280 00:23:16,145 --> 00:23:19,857 To me at least, the response in the room felt very positive. 281 00:23:19,940 --> 00:23:24,945 It felt as if there'd been... That discovery was confirmed in a way, 282 00:23:25,029 --> 00:23:31,285 and that this group of scholars, um, was as excited as I had been. 283 00:23:31,368 --> 00:23:36,248 [In English] Nobody asked me a formal opinion about this painting. 284 00:23:36,332 --> 00:23:42,212 It was just... I shouldn't say a chat, but something like that. 285 00:23:42,838 --> 00:23:45,758 So the scholars were just brought in for an afternoon to look at it? 286 00:23:45,841 --> 00:23:46,841 [Man] Brought in, yes. 287 00:23:46,884 --> 00:23:48,844 They looked at it and said, "looks good to me"? 288 00:23:48,928 --> 00:23:53,349 [Man] Well, they were open to the fact that it was a Da Vinci. 289 00:23:54,642 --> 00:23:57,811 They named the scholars and said, "these people authenticated the painting"? 290 00:23:57,895 --> 00:24:00,481 - [Man] Yes. - Oh, god. [Laughing] 291 00:24:04,401 --> 00:24:06,862 There is a suspicious aspect to it, 292 00:24:06,946 --> 00:24:11,075 in that the provenance of the painting is very murky. 293 00:24:11,158 --> 00:24:13,786 It's ghostlike, from where it came from. 294 00:24:13,869 --> 00:24:15,537 So there's a question there. 295 00:24:15,621 --> 00:24:18,624 [Tense music playing] 296 00:24:18,958 --> 00:24:21,168 [Robert] Maybe it was a week or week and a half later, 297 00:24:21,251 --> 00:24:24,964 the national gallery called me to tell me that basically 298 00:24:25,047 --> 00:24:29,802 everyone had agreed that the picture was indeed by Leonardo. 299 00:24:35,182 --> 00:24:38,560 [Alexander] This was the moment we had to say, 300 00:24:38,644 --> 00:24:41,855 not only to each other, but to ourselves, 301 00:24:42,648 --> 00:24:45,859 "this is real. This really is real. 302 00:24:46,485 --> 00:24:51,907 This is a Da Vinci and we're currently the owners of it." 303 00:24:55,703 --> 00:24:59,331 [Woman] How long would you queue to see an exhibition? 304 00:25:00,457 --> 00:25:03,877 These Da Vinci fans stood in the cold for hours. 305 00:25:05,087 --> 00:25:08,132 It's like watching your child go out into the world 306 00:25:08,215 --> 00:25:11,218 and just hoping that they don't fall down, scrape their knee, 307 00:25:11,301 --> 00:25:13,012 that nobody hurts their feelings. 308 00:25:13,095 --> 00:25:17,266 This is Leonardo's rediscovered salvator mundi 309 00:25:17,349 --> 00:25:21,520 that has astonishingly turned up in the United States of America. 310 00:25:22,980 --> 00:25:27,151 [Woman] It sort of seduces your soul. It's calming just to be near it. 311 00:25:27,234 --> 00:25:31,488 [Man] Finding a Leonardo is not something that you can do every day. 312 00:25:31,572 --> 00:25:34,575 [People speaking indistinctly] 313 00:25:36,452 --> 00:25:39,121 [Man] So they presented it as a Leonardo. 314 00:25:39,204 --> 00:25:40,456 As Leonardo. Yes. 315 00:25:40,539 --> 00:25:43,625 [Man] Okay, so that was their own decision. 316 00:25:43,709 --> 00:25:45,753 - Yes. - [Man] Okay, so... 317 00:25:45,836 --> 00:25:50,424 We found it as a Leonardo in the exhibition. 318 00:25:51,341 --> 00:25:56,388 [Man] Before the exhibition, the national gallery makes a press release 319 00:25:56,472 --> 00:26:01,101 where it's described as a sort of test, but when the exhibition opens, 320 00:26:01,185 --> 00:26:05,064 the painting is labeled as a full-autographed Leonardo. 321 00:26:05,147 --> 00:26:06,648 Why this difference? 322 00:26:07,691 --> 00:26:10,819 [Luke] So putting "attributed to," 323 00:26:10,903 --> 00:26:15,240 or "ascribed to," or "possibly by, " or one of these phrases, 324 00:26:15,324 --> 00:26:18,702 would, I think, have been to distort my own view, 325 00:26:18,786 --> 00:26:21,371 and, um, to really, 326 00:26:21,455 --> 00:26:24,792 in a way, confuse the issue still further 327 00:26:24,875 --> 00:26:30,547 that this was the lost picture by Leonardo of the salvator mundi. 328 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,218 I felt the national gallery was in a good place 329 00:26:34,301 --> 00:26:36,512 to put this picture on view, 330 00:26:36,595 --> 00:26:39,681 and I have to say, had I felt anything differently at that point, 331 00:26:39,765 --> 00:26:41,642 we would have made a very different decision. 332 00:26:45,854 --> 00:26:48,982 My name is frank zdllner. I'm working on renaissance art, 333 00:26:49,066 --> 00:26:51,485 Leonardo da Vinci, Michelangelo. 334 00:26:52,528 --> 00:26:55,656 I saw the salvator in the exhibition in London, 335 00:26:55,739 --> 00:26:58,992 and my first impression basically said, 336 00:26:59,076 --> 00:27:01,537 "okay, this is an interesting painting, 337 00:27:01,620 --> 00:27:05,332 uh, but there's something very strange." 338 00:27:06,166 --> 00:27:09,169 For example, the curls are sort of very schematic 339 00:27:09,253 --> 00:27:15,217 and the blessing hand, the flesh tones, looks like a pupil to me. 340 00:27:15,300 --> 00:27:20,097 And then you have this overall aura, the overall light. 341 00:27:21,306 --> 00:27:24,810 It's something which is very, very good. 342 00:27:24,893 --> 00:27:28,981 But this is exactly the part which has been restored. 343 00:27:29,064 --> 00:27:31,567 So this is a quite paradoxical situation. 344 00:27:31,650 --> 00:27:35,028 You have the old parts of the painting which are original. 345 00:27:35,112 --> 00:27:36,613 These are by pupils. 346 00:27:36,697 --> 00:27:40,075 And you have the new part of the painting, which look like Leonardo, 347 00:27:40,159 --> 00:27:42,035 but they are by the restorer. 348 00:27:43,745 --> 00:27:48,417 In some part, it's a masterpiece by dianne modestini. 349 00:27:48,500 --> 00:27:52,796 But that's ridiculous, because I can't paint like Leonardo. 350 00:27:54,423 --> 00:27:56,717 I mean, it's very flattering, but it's absurd. 351 00:27:56,800 --> 00:28:00,637 I think she has done a great job on it as a painter. 352 00:28:00,721 --> 00:28:04,766 But one can ask if she maybe has overdone it a bit. 353 00:28:04,850 --> 00:28:09,062 I think it's more leonardesque than Leonardo had done it. 354 00:28:09,146 --> 00:28:12,149 [Pensive music playing] 355 00:28:15,194 --> 00:28:17,154 [Jacques] Well, to me, the work is not by Leonardo 356 00:28:17,196 --> 00:28:20,490 because I don't recognize his technique. 357 00:28:20,574 --> 00:28:23,577 What struck me first was the hand. 358 00:28:23,660 --> 00:28:28,123 Because the lifted fingers were absolutely wrong 359 00:28:28,207 --> 00:28:31,043 because, notably this one, 360 00:28:31,126 --> 00:28:36,173 because it seems to rotate over itself, which, of course, is impossible. 361 00:28:37,466 --> 00:28:41,678 He studied human anatomy extensively. 362 00:28:43,305 --> 00:28:45,098 Imagining that... 363 00:28:46,308 --> 00:28:49,728 Such a work led him to paint wrong hands... 364 00:28:50,604 --> 00:28:53,815 Can't be thought about. It's unthinkable. 365 00:28:56,985 --> 00:29:00,781 [Frank] We need a little distance to judge this painting. 366 00:29:00,864 --> 00:29:06,370 Attribution issues are not decided in one or in ten years. 367 00:29:06,453 --> 00:29:10,207 They are decided in ten, in 20, in 30 years. 368 00:29:10,290 --> 00:29:15,921 And it may turn out that in 50 years' time, people say, 369 00:29:16,004 --> 00:29:18,340 "okay, how could these idiots 370 00:29:18,423 --> 00:29:23,512 at the early 21st century see this as a Leonardo painting?" 371 00:29:28,016 --> 00:29:31,270 [Man] There's been a lot of noise and so on. 372 00:29:31,353 --> 00:29:33,897 How has it been for you to be through that? 373 00:29:35,065 --> 00:29:36,149 Fine. 374 00:29:40,654 --> 00:29:46,493 [Man] What do you feel is at stake for you, personally, in this case? 375 00:29:46,576 --> 00:29:48,370 - Nothing. - [Man] No? 376 00:29:49,413 --> 00:29:51,039 You're not gonna get anywhere. Sorry. 377 00:29:51,123 --> 00:29:52,040 [Man] Okay. 378 00:29:52,124 --> 00:29:54,042 [Woman] 379 00:30:08,432 --> 00:30:10,267 You could say I'm a maximalist. 380 00:30:10,976 --> 00:30:15,564 There's not much wall space left, but there's always somewhere else. 381 00:30:15,647 --> 00:30:17,482 I haven't used the ceiling yet. 382 00:30:18,483 --> 00:30:21,153 Everyone in this country now, and I guess the world, 383 00:30:21,236 --> 00:30:24,072 talks about fake news, and all lies and politics, 384 00:30:24,156 --> 00:30:27,367 and all of the hypocrisy that you see. 385 00:30:27,451 --> 00:30:32,331 But the thing is, what scares people the most, in my business, is the truth. 386 00:30:33,540 --> 00:30:36,752 What's the reason that the national museum would show this painting? 387 00:30:36,835 --> 00:30:40,881 Simple. Unfortunately, it's to boost the visitors. 388 00:30:40,964 --> 00:30:42,966 They have no right to exhibit a painting 389 00:30:43,050 --> 00:30:46,928 that hasn't been 150% scrutinized 390 00:30:47,012 --> 00:30:52,184 and, uh, vefled that it is what it purports to be. 391 00:30:52,267 --> 00:30:54,186 And in this case, that painting was nowhere 392 00:30:54,269 --> 00:30:56,938 near that stage of authentication 393 00:30:57,022 --> 00:30:59,733 where it would be warranted to be exhibited 394 00:30:59,816 --> 00:31:02,361 in such a tremendously reputable 395 00:31:02,444 --> 00:31:04,696 and influential museum. It's just not right. 396 00:31:06,990 --> 00:31:09,159 I mean, whenever there's a lot of money involved, 397 00:31:09,242 --> 00:31:10,869 the world becomes a bunch of worms 398 00:31:10,952 --> 00:31:13,080 intertwined when you pick up a rock. 399 00:31:13,163 --> 00:31:16,416 There was no doubt in anyone's mind where this painting 400 00:31:16,500 --> 00:31:19,461 was ultimately going to end up, which was for sale. 401 00:31:26,802 --> 00:31:30,430 I'm Warren adelson, and I've been an art dealer 402 00:31:30,514 --> 00:31:32,432 for most of my adult life. 403 00:31:32,516 --> 00:31:36,311 My first encounter was at a lunch with Bob Simon, 404 00:31:36,395 --> 00:31:39,856 and he was grinning and he was grinning. 405 00:31:39,940 --> 00:31:43,026 And I said, "what's with you? What's going on with you?" 406 00:31:43,110 --> 00:31:45,362 He said, "I've got to tell you, nobody knows this, 407 00:31:45,445 --> 00:31:49,741 but we just had this picture by Leonardo 408 00:31:49,825 --> 00:31:53,954 in London at the national gallery, and it's been authenticated." 409 00:31:54,496 --> 00:31:57,541 And I said, "wow, can I see an image of it?" 410 00:31:58,083 --> 00:32:01,086 And he showed me a photograph of it. 411 00:32:01,169 --> 00:32:03,088 And I thought it was incredible. 412 00:32:03,171 --> 00:32:06,591 I said, "you know, maybe there's some role for me here. 413 00:32:06,675 --> 00:32:11,388 [Have a history, as you know, of selling expensive pictures." 414 00:32:12,013 --> 00:32:14,724 80 Warren became our third partner. 415 00:32:17,519 --> 00:32:19,646 [Man] When you had to figure out the price, 416 00:32:19,729 --> 00:32:20,981 how did you come about that? 417 00:32:21,064 --> 00:32:23,733 I came up... Certainly, we came up with an idea 418 00:32:23,817 --> 00:32:26,528 that it was worth in excess of $200 million. 419 00:32:27,737 --> 00:32:31,241 You know, the desire was not to put it on the market, essentially. 420 00:32:31,324 --> 00:32:36,496 The desire was for it to be, um, acquired by a museum. 421 00:32:38,874 --> 00:32:44,504 I made an attempt to sell the painting to museums. 422 00:32:44,588 --> 00:32:47,924 I'm from Boston. I went to the Boston museum. 423 00:32:48,008 --> 00:32:50,886 I was close to the Houston museum 424 00:32:50,969 --> 00:32:53,263 through my great friend Meredith long. 425 00:32:53,346 --> 00:32:55,307 I tried the Dallas museum 426 00:32:55,390 --> 00:32:57,559 and the painting was there for nine months 427 00:32:57,642 --> 00:33:00,020 and they tried to raise the money. 428 00:33:00,103 --> 00:33:01,980 [Man] So why didn't they buy it? 429 00:33:02,522 --> 00:33:06,359 Um, it was completely an issue of, uh... 430 00:33:06,443 --> 00:33:09,654 Inability to raise the sufficient funds to acquire it. 431 00:33:09,738 --> 00:33:12,741 [Dramatic music playing] 432 00:33:19,915 --> 00:33:22,626 My name is bernd lindemann. 433 00:33:22,709 --> 00:33:26,630 I was the director of the geméildegalerie here in Berlin. 434 00:33:27,672 --> 00:33:31,676 One day I got a telephone call. It was a dealer, 435 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:35,722 and he said he has something which could be interesting 436 00:33:35,805 --> 00:33:38,517 for the gemaldegalerie. Well, and that was the painting. 437 00:33:45,357 --> 00:33:48,527 Most of the painting is a remake, 438 00:33:48,610 --> 00:33:51,530 and this was, for me, the argument to say, 439 00:33:51,613 --> 00:33:55,492 "no, this is not a painting for the gemaldegalerie." 440 00:33:57,244 --> 00:33:59,913 I was surprised to see the painting 441 00:33:59,996 --> 00:34:03,583 in the exhibition at the national gallery in London. 442 00:34:03,667 --> 00:34:05,585 It is a problematic painting, 443 00:34:05,669 --> 00:34:10,674 and I think it's not the role of serious museums 444 00:34:11,299 --> 00:34:16,137 to present a painting which is so heavily discussed. 445 00:34:19,724 --> 00:34:23,520 It was very frustrating. It was a very frustrating thing. 446 00:34:23,603 --> 00:34:27,274 I felt I had the rarest painting in the world 447 00:34:28,024 --> 00:34:30,652 by the greatest artist in the world, 448 00:34:30,735 --> 00:34:32,195 and I couldn't sell it. 449 00:34:32,946 --> 00:34:33,947 [Chuckles] 450 00:34:36,449 --> 00:34:40,161 There were so many issues that are like red flags popping up. 451 00:34:42,163 --> 00:34:43,665 Da Vinci paints on wood. 452 00:34:43,748 --> 00:34:46,918 When he's making these paintings, he's such a perfectionist. 453 00:34:47,002 --> 00:34:50,046 He's not gonna paint it on a piece of shit wood 454 00:34:50,130 --> 00:34:51,756 with a big knot right in the middle, 455 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:55,343 which inherently makes the painting unstable. 456 00:34:55,427 --> 00:34:57,429 It's just not the way he operates. 457 00:34:58,096 --> 00:35:01,057 I mean, the joke circulating around the contemporary art world 458 00:35:01,141 --> 00:35:04,019 was that the painting was a contemporary painting because 90% of it 459 00:35:04,102 --> 00:35:08,481 was painted within the last ten years, during the restoration process. 460 00:35:16,573 --> 00:35:20,785 [Dianne] Mario and I had a house southeast of Florence that we restored together. 461 00:35:20,869 --> 00:35:22,495 It's bittersweet 462 00:35:22,579 --> 00:35:24,247 because there are so many memories there 463 00:35:24,331 --> 00:35:25,707 and so many ties. 464 00:35:30,795 --> 00:35:36,009 Mario used to like to use these little, you know, small boards to paint on. 465 00:35:36,092 --> 00:35:40,013 Oh, that's one of his. That's a little picture that he painted. 466 00:35:41,306 --> 00:35:44,434 I think that's Mario. Maybe it's me. I'm not sure. 467 00:35:44,517 --> 00:35:45,393 Well, yeah. 468 00:35:45,477 --> 00:35:47,854 I had never really painted when I met him. 469 00:35:47,937 --> 00:35:49,898 So he was, um... 470 00:35:50,607 --> 00:35:52,859 Yeah, so he began teaching me to draw, 471 00:35:52,942 --> 00:35:54,653 and to paint, and to draw from these... 472 00:35:58,615 --> 00:36:01,284 I know there are rumors that I was part owner of the picture, 473 00:36:01,368 --> 00:36:03,119 but that's completely untrue. 474 00:36:03,662 --> 00:36:07,290 People may think that because my husband was... 475 00:36:07,374 --> 00:36:11,086 He absolutely did own shares in pictures all the time, 476 00:36:11,169 --> 00:36:13,421 because Mario was also a dealer. 477 00:36:17,258 --> 00:36:18,843 He worked with the best dealers. 478 00:36:18,927 --> 00:36:20,720 That's why I have money, pictures, things. 479 00:36:20,804 --> 00:36:24,265 No, Mario bought pictures and shares with dealers, 480 00:36:24,349 --> 00:36:26,559 but he was such a great connoisseur, 481 00:36:26,643 --> 00:36:30,355 apart from being a restorer, that he was so valuable to them, 482 00:36:30,438 --> 00:36:32,607 but it was with the top of the top. 483 00:36:36,403 --> 00:36:37,737 But I'm not a dealer. 484 00:36:38,530 --> 00:36:42,367 Art dealers, the whole art world is very tricky and, you know... 485 00:36:43,410 --> 00:36:44,661 You know? And it's, um... 486 00:36:45,745 --> 00:36:47,038 And I'm not... 487 00:36:47,122 --> 00:36:51,418 I'm not that kind of tricky person. So I don't... 488 00:36:51,501 --> 00:36:54,671 I would never get into that. Never. 489 00:36:55,255 --> 00:36:58,133 And I certainly didn't have anything to do with this. Uh... 490 00:37:00,135 --> 00:37:03,680 [Man] And why do you say it was more than just a restoration? 491 00:37:03,763 --> 00:37:06,725 [Dianne] I was also involved with the whole process 492 00:37:06,808 --> 00:37:08,476 of attributing the painting 493 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:10,687 and being a spokesman for the picture, 494 00:37:10,770 --> 00:37:13,064 which I did because I absolutely believe in it. 495 00:37:15,442 --> 00:37:17,110 I said to Robert one day, 496 00:37:17,193 --> 00:37:20,822 "I don't know how to charge you for this. It's more than just a restoration." 497 00:37:20,905 --> 00:37:22,532 He said, "when we sell it," 498 00:37:22,615 --> 00:37:24,367 he said, you know... 499 00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:28,496 "I'll give you what, you know, I believe you deserve." 500 00:37:30,373 --> 00:37:33,877 [Man] Hm. So it was not like a fixed percentage? 501 00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:35,170 It was never fixed. 502 00:37:35,837 --> 00:37:39,132 He paid me generously, but yeah. 503 00:37:40,633 --> 00:37:43,636 [Pensive music playing] 504 00:37:46,973 --> 00:37:51,519 [Evan] Geneva, historically, is a place you go to disappear. 505 00:37:53,021 --> 00:37:57,734 This is a place where nations negotiate peace treaties. 506 00:37:57,817 --> 00:38:01,696 This is a place where diplomats and intelligence agents go 507 00:38:01,780 --> 00:38:03,573 to have a neutral territory. 508 00:38:03,656 --> 00:38:05,116 And this is also a place 509 00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:09,287 where businessmen are able to run sensitive operations 510 00:38:09,370 --> 00:38:13,666 in a very low-voltage, safe environment. 511 00:38:15,627 --> 00:38:19,881 So the painting is sold to yves bouvier. 512 00:38:25,762 --> 00:38:27,639 [Yves in French] 513 00:38:50,203 --> 00:38:53,665 [Alexandra] There are many versions of yves bouvier. 514 00:38:54,374 --> 00:38:58,795 And the more I have gotten to know him, 515 00:38:58,878 --> 00:39:00,755 the less I think I know him. 516 00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:07,470 The bouvier affair was a bit the elephant in the room 517 00:39:07,554 --> 00:39:09,931 for investigative journalists in Switzerland. 518 00:39:10,014 --> 00:39:17,021 And we were able to get access to a lot of court documents, 519 00:39:17,105 --> 00:39:22,402 and that enabled us to build a narrative, 520 00:39:22,485 --> 00:39:26,948 a storyline that was as close to the truth as we could have. 521 00:39:28,533 --> 00:39:31,536 [Ominous music playing] 522 00:39:34,372 --> 00:39:38,668 [Evan] Yves bouvier is a quiet guy 523 00:39:38,751 --> 00:39:40,753 who, I think, at the time, 524 00:39:40,837 --> 00:39:43,756 you probably would not have said is a major player 525 00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:47,760 in the art world, um, but he played a major role. 526 00:39:49,137 --> 00:39:52,557 He meets a Russian transplant 527 00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:56,811 who really exiles himself in Geneva, 528 00:39:56,895 --> 00:39:59,939 Mr. Dmitry rybolovlev. 529 00:40:00,648 --> 00:40:02,692 [Camera shutters clicking] 530 00:41:18,142 --> 00:41:20,019 [Man] 531 00:41:40,248 --> 00:41:44,085 We were contacted, uh, by sotheby's... 532 00:41:45,586 --> 00:41:48,172 About a client they had. 533 00:41:48,673 --> 00:41:52,593 [Yves] 534 00:43:17,720 --> 00:43:20,765 [Warren] Part of the agreement in the sale 535 00:43:20,848 --> 00:43:26,437 was that I'm not supposed to talk about the trip to Paris. 536 00:43:26,521 --> 00:43:28,815 [Yves] 537 00:43:45,414 --> 00:43:49,585 I can say that I was glad that it was finally over. 538 00:43:50,670 --> 00:43:55,883 Uh, it was a very trying and difficult situation. 539 00:43:56,467 --> 00:43:59,011 And I'm really glad I got back, 540 00:43:59,095 --> 00:44:03,432 and the best thing I could say about it was that it was over. 541 00:44:03,516 --> 00:44:07,186 We were paid the next day. And from that point of view, 542 00:44:07,270 --> 00:44:09,313 it was cleaned up. 543 00:44:09,397 --> 00:44:10,397 Cleaned up. 544 00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:43,472 Yves bouvier is trying to convince Mike sazonov. 545 00:44:44,307 --> 00:44:46,809 [In French] 546 00:44:56,736 --> 00:45:00,114 [In English] What he omits to say is that he already bought it. 547 00:45:10,833 --> 00:45:13,336 [Antoine in French] 548 00:46:10,434 --> 00:46:16,399 [In English] That was the whole negotiation, and all of it is fake. 549 00:46:32,248 --> 00:46:36,544 Bouvier has made this really quite extraordinary markup 550 00:46:36,627 --> 00:46:40,423 of $47.5 million on a transaction 551 00:46:40,506 --> 00:46:42,216 that took him less than two days. 552 00:46:43,426 --> 00:46:47,722 It's extraordinary and quite frankly, pretty unheard of in the art world. 553 00:46:52,476 --> 00:46:54,103 [In English] New part of the free port. 554 00:47:05,698 --> 00:47:09,994 Yves bouvier inherited a shipping business from his father. 555 00:47:11,662 --> 00:47:15,541 But yves bouvier realized that there was increasing demand 556 00:47:15,624 --> 00:47:18,961 for places to store high-value goods. 557 00:47:20,921 --> 00:47:26,385 So he expanded his business by creating armored warehouses 558 00:47:26,469 --> 00:47:29,680 generally within the perimeter of an airport, 559 00:47:29,764 --> 00:47:31,682 and these are free ports. 560 00:47:32,558 --> 00:47:35,269 The Geneva freeport is supposed to hold 561 00:47:35,353 --> 00:47:39,357 literally billions of dollars' worth of art. 562 00:47:41,275 --> 00:47:42,943 My name is Doug patteson. 563 00:47:43,027 --> 00:47:46,113 A former clandestine service officer with the CIA. 564 00:47:46,906 --> 00:47:51,744 The history of the salvator mundi and how it's grown in value 565 00:47:51,827 --> 00:47:57,541 is opening eyes to how money can be moving in different ways 566 00:47:58,209 --> 00:47:59,502 through the free port system. 567 00:48:01,504 --> 00:48:05,549 A free port is a tax-free haven... 568 00:48:06,550 --> 00:48:11,764 Where very wealthy people will often keep items secret from tax authorities. 569 00:48:15,851 --> 00:48:19,522 So objects can be bought and sold within a free port, 570 00:48:20,106 --> 00:48:25,277 but no taxes apply because the objects are considered still in transit. 571 00:48:44,547 --> 00:48:47,508 One of the things that we've really observed recently 572 00:48:47,591 --> 00:48:53,305 is that paintings are increasingly used as collateral for loans, bank loans. 573 00:48:54,807 --> 00:48:58,310 A whole infrastructure has sprung up around this 574 00:48:58,394 --> 00:49:00,396 that allows you, the collector, 575 00:49:00,479 --> 00:49:03,065 who've put millions of dollars in your art, 576 00:49:03,149 --> 00:49:06,902 you can keep your art within the free port facility, 577 00:49:06,986 --> 00:49:12,116 get the capital you have invested in the art out of there and redeploy. 578 00:49:13,492 --> 00:49:16,996 It's not about art and love. It's about money. 579 00:49:17,079 --> 00:49:18,914 It's about transferring funds. 580 00:49:24,378 --> 00:49:29,550 There's one thing that you cannot remove from the human beings, 581 00:49:29,633 --> 00:49:31,177 is the greed. 582 00:49:33,220 --> 00:49:38,642 If you sit on valuable goods and you don't trust your own country, 583 00:49:38,726 --> 00:49:41,187 because, you know, the fiscal guys are on your back... 584 00:49:42,188 --> 00:49:48,277 Why not store it in the free port and store it in a so-called whatever safe? 585 00:49:49,570 --> 00:49:52,781 That gorilla is a big smoker. 586 00:49:52,865 --> 00:49:53,991 Interesting guy. 587 00:49:57,953 --> 00:50:02,666 If taxes were reasonable, people would not have to play that game. 588 00:50:05,961 --> 00:50:09,757 [Georgina] You know, there is this saying that after drugs and prostitution, 589 00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:13,761 that the art market is the most unregulated market in the world. 590 00:50:13,844 --> 00:50:19,141 A very opaque world in which you very often don't know who owns something, 591 00:50:19,225 --> 00:50:23,145 how much it's worth, who's buying it or who's selling it. 592 00:50:23,229 --> 00:50:25,940 Most of the transactions are very, very dark. 593 00:50:27,024 --> 00:50:29,318 It's another Avenue to store money. 594 00:50:29,944 --> 00:50:33,113 It's the last vestiges of the wild wild west. 595 00:50:38,869 --> 00:50:44,291 [Evan] Russia in the 19903 is the wild west. 596 00:50:44,375 --> 00:50:48,671 And this is also a time where businessmen had an opportunity 597 00:50:48,754 --> 00:50:53,259 to become exorbitantly wealthy by taking ownership 598 00:50:53,342 --> 00:50:58,764 in the transitioning of bureaus that became businesses. 599 00:50:58,847 --> 00:51:03,727 So out of this comes Mr. Dmitry rybolovlev, 600 00:51:03,811 --> 00:51:07,189 a man who becomes a billionaire literally overnight 601 00:51:07,273 --> 00:51:12,152 when he floats this potash company on the London stock exchange. 602 00:51:29,295 --> 00:51:34,216 [Evan] What you had was someone who needed to get money out of Russia, 603 00:51:34,300 --> 00:51:37,886 and he found someone who was quiet, discreet, 604 00:51:37,970 --> 00:51:40,472 and who he felt he could trust with his life. 605 00:51:42,349 --> 00:51:46,520 [Yves] 606 00:51:57,531 --> 00:52:01,744 [Evan] The Russian on the run and the quiet Swiss man, 607 00:52:01,827 --> 00:52:07,124 they forge this alliance around the acquisition of art. 608 00:52:21,555 --> 00:52:24,391 Yves bouvier had built a network 609 00:52:24,475 --> 00:52:27,394 allowing him to get all kinds of information 610 00:52:27,478 --> 00:52:31,482 on who owned the paintings, what was its real value. 611 00:52:33,359 --> 00:52:37,696 And that was priceless in order to conduct his business. 612 00:52:39,031 --> 00:52:43,410 He was the king because he was in possession of information 613 00:52:43,494 --> 00:52:44,787 that no one else had. 614 00:53:03,430 --> 00:53:05,110 [Kenny] He made a billion dollars' profit. 615 00:53:06,350 --> 00:53:07,434 That's a good dealer. 616 00:53:08,769 --> 00:53:12,272 [In English] Yeah, it's good business. 617 00:53:18,195 --> 00:53:21,657 [Bruce] It's safer to buy a painting than a piece of real estate 618 00:53:21,740 --> 00:53:24,993 because a piece of real estate you can always seize it to jump on it. 619 00:53:25,077 --> 00:53:28,664 A painting is buried somewhere in a free port around the world. 620 00:53:28,747 --> 00:53:31,875 Nobody knows where it is. Look at the salvator mundi. 621 00:53:37,756 --> 00:53:39,758 Right now, I don't know where it is. 622 00:53:39,842 --> 00:53:43,929 I am so anxious for it 623 00:53:44,012 --> 00:53:46,849 to finally find a home 624 00:53:46,932 --> 00:53:50,978 where people can experience the extraordinary power of this painting. 625 00:53:52,396 --> 00:53:55,232 [Kenny] Art, to me, is the only truth, really. 626 00:53:56,608 --> 00:54:00,529 And it's really a way of living life, to communicate with people. 627 00:54:01,947 --> 00:54:04,241 Art doesn't exist in a vacuum. 628 00:54:04,324 --> 00:54:07,828 If it's existing in these great warehouses that are free ports 629 00:54:07,911 --> 00:54:10,122 as a kind of financial asset... 630 00:54:10,956 --> 00:54:16,628 It would be a shame because it's something that could be seen by people. 631 00:54:16,712 --> 00:54:18,964 It could have an effect on people. 632 00:54:21,925 --> 00:54:24,511 The whole world is trying to... 633 00:54:24,595 --> 00:54:27,598 Is discussing, "where the hell is that painting?" 634 00:54:27,681 --> 00:54:29,224 Nobody knows where it is. 635 00:54:31,310 --> 00:54:34,271 The buyer doesn't have to tell where he puts his painting. 636 00:54:34,354 --> 00:54:36,607 They do whatever they want with their money. 637 00:54:36,690 --> 00:54:37,690 Who cares? 638 00:54:38,358 --> 00:54:40,569 Only the press, the bad press, 639 00:54:41,445 --> 00:54:43,280 and the people who are curious 640 00:54:43,363 --> 00:54:46,784 are caring about something that doesn't even concern them. 641 00:54:50,829 --> 00:54:56,960 2014 was really the beginning of the end for bouvier and rybolovlev. 642 00:54:59,046 --> 00:55:05,761 An article was published that indicated the price of the final sale, 643 00:55:05,844 --> 00:55:10,599 which, of course, was different than what rybolovlev had paid. 644 00:55:14,812 --> 00:55:16,021 [Yves] 645 00:55:33,997 --> 00:55:40,212 So once Mr. R. Found out, he was pretty pissed off. 646 00:55:42,881 --> 00:55:45,884 [Alexandra] And that really sparked the actions 647 00:55:45,968 --> 00:55:49,137 that were taken against bouvier that moved quite quickly after that. 648 00:55:52,015 --> 00:55:55,227 [Kenny] Mr. R. Couldn't look at any of his art collection the same. 649 00:55:55,727 --> 00:55:57,771 Every time he looked at a painting, 650 00:55:57,855 --> 00:56:00,691 if it was the greatest masterpiece ever painted, 651 00:56:00,774 --> 00:56:05,195 all he saw was the fact that he was abused and taken advantage of 652 00:56:05,279 --> 00:56:08,574 by Mr. Bouvier, who was now the world's richest free port owner. 653 00:56:15,622 --> 00:56:20,127 [Yves] 654 00:57:05,797 --> 00:57:07,799 [Suspenseful music playing] 655 00:57:11,511 --> 00:57:14,890 His markup was 100%. That's not a crime, it's greedy. 656 00:57:16,266 --> 00:57:19,353 What he was trying to do to screw bouvier 657 00:57:19,436 --> 00:57:21,271 was to destroy his reputation, 658 00:57:21,355 --> 00:57:24,399 to sue him in every courthouse that would entertain the suit. 659 00:57:29,196 --> 00:57:34,076 [Yves] 660 00:58:11,947 --> 00:58:14,783 [Georgina] He is really very angry, like a Russian bear 661 00:58:14,866 --> 00:58:17,035 that somebody had stuck something into. 662 00:58:17,119 --> 00:58:18,620 He was furious! 663 00:58:20,622 --> 00:58:23,875 [Kenny] What he wanted to do was dump all of his art 664 00:58:23,959 --> 00:58:28,255 that were great, fantastic pieces, but he radically overpaid for them. 665 00:58:28,338 --> 00:58:32,050 So, what he was fully expecting to do was to lose money. 666 00:58:34,219 --> 00:58:39,808 [Evan] People think of auction houses as sort of a passive repository of objects 667 00:58:39,891 --> 00:58:44,354 to sell on behalf of collectors who decide it's time to sell. 668 00:58:44,938 --> 00:58:49,067 Most of the actual high-end objects they sell 669 00:58:49,151 --> 00:58:51,570 don't actually come to market in that way. 670 00:58:52,487 --> 00:58:53,697 Sold. 671 00:58:54,906 --> 00:58:56,616 [Evan] They are actually out there. 672 00:58:56,700 --> 00:58:59,536 Their specialists are in the living room of collectors 673 00:58:59,619 --> 00:59:03,749 and telling them it's the right time to sell this work... 674 00:59:03,832 --> 00:59:06,460 Seventy-one, 72... 675 00:59:06,543 --> 00:59:08,462 [Evan] ...It's a hot market for this work, 676 00:59:08,545 --> 00:59:11,548 and they're trying to actually pull in those objects. 677 00:59:12,215 --> 00:59:16,094 Thank you, all of you, for one million six. To you, sir. 678 00:59:17,012 --> 00:59:21,141 If they've got the best art for sale, they'll find the buyers. 679 00:59:21,224 --> 00:59:25,979 So the competition is at the level of getting the consignments. 680 00:59:26,063 --> 00:59:27,981 You have it. What's your number? 681 00:59:29,066 --> 00:59:34,696 The guy at the auctioneer is always European with a vague accent. 682 00:59:34,780 --> 00:59:37,491 [In British accent] "Do I have 2 million? 683 00:59:38,116 --> 00:59:42,037 Oh, John, I saw you bid 3 million before. 684 00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:44,956 Oh, wait. I say! 685 00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:47,751 We have 5 million." 686 00:59:47,834 --> 00:59:50,128 [Auctioneer] Sold. Thank you very much indeed. 687 00:59:52,672 --> 00:59:54,132 [Georgina] So once rybolovlev, 688 00:59:54,216 --> 00:59:57,719 when he does start selling, he sells them through christie's. 689 00:59:57,803 --> 01:00:00,639 And, of course, that is where salvator mundi ends up. 690 01:00:05,644 --> 01:00:08,563 [Kenny] Nothing was wrong with his art, except for the Da Vinci. 691 01:00:08,647 --> 01:00:11,942 All of the other pieces in his collection were fantastic pieces. 692 01:00:12,025 --> 01:00:16,238 [Evan] This was the one black swan in his collection that had questions around it. 693 01:00:16,321 --> 01:00:19,324 But there is a massive billion-dollar collection behind it 694 01:00:19,407 --> 01:00:23,078 that could be potential future business for the auction house. 695 01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:27,958 So christie's had to keep their client happy. 696 01:00:29,876 --> 01:00:32,045 They went all-in on this picture. 697 01:00:34,923 --> 01:00:39,386 The term "male Mona Lisa" is used for this object. 698 01:00:39,469 --> 01:00:43,348 [Alexandra] The Mona Lisa is insured for over $800 million. 699 01:00:43,431 --> 01:00:48,311 So I think calling it the male Mona Lisa makes sense as a marketer. 700 01:00:49,563 --> 01:00:53,441 On a financial front, it helps to explain the value. 701 01:00:53,525 --> 01:00:59,322 The Mona Lisa, in the early 20th century, was of secondary importance... 702 01:01:00,699 --> 01:01:05,495 Until 1961, when John F. Kennedy 703 01:01:05,579 --> 01:01:09,624 makes his way to the Vienna summit and makes a stop off in Paris. 704 01:01:11,251 --> 01:01:16,882 And their culture minister, Andre' malraux, is completely entranced by Jacqueline. 705 01:01:16,965 --> 01:01:20,302 Jackie whispers in his ear at one of the evening events 706 01:01:20,385 --> 01:01:23,805 that, "I'd love for you to take the Mona Lisa to the United States 707 01:01:23,889 --> 01:01:27,642 so we could show our population this cultural masterpiece." 708 01:01:28,476 --> 01:01:31,771 [Kennedy] Mr. Minister, we in the United States 709 01:01:31,855 --> 01:01:33,857 are grateful for this loan... 710 01:01:35,025 --> 01:01:38,570 From the leading artistic power in the world, France. 711 01:01:38,653 --> 01:01:41,364 [Evan] And lines go down the block. 712 01:01:41,448 --> 01:01:43,742 Most of the people that were coming to see it 713 01:01:43,825 --> 01:01:46,286 were not coming to see the painting. 714 01:01:46,369 --> 01:01:50,790 They were coming to have seen the picture, to say they saw the celebrity. 715 01:01:52,375 --> 01:01:56,254 Christie's understood they had to accomplish the same thing, 716 01:01:56,338 --> 01:01:58,715 where this is the male Mona Lisa, 717 01:01:58,798 --> 01:02:04,054 we need to convince the potential buyer that you're now buying a global celebrity 718 01:02:04,137 --> 01:02:07,974 that will play into the power and prestige of your acquisition. 719 01:02:10,769 --> 01:02:14,481 Their primary marketing video was brilliant in a way 720 01:02:14,564 --> 01:02:17,651 because it never actually showed the object. 721 01:02:17,734 --> 01:02:21,696 What they show instead is a series of people 722 01:02:21,780 --> 01:02:26,034 going up to the object and having an emotional reaction to it. 723 01:02:27,452 --> 01:02:30,497 They even had Leonardo DiCaprio. 724 01:02:33,667 --> 01:02:38,672 They realized that they needed to show whatever collector bought this thing, 725 01:02:38,755 --> 01:02:41,424 there was a mass following 726 01:02:41,508 --> 01:02:44,970 and that people were buying into this celebrity. 727 01:02:46,888 --> 01:02:51,268 [Alexandra] Christie's released a ton of marketing 728 01:02:51,351 --> 01:02:53,687 that generated traffic, generated hype. 729 01:02:53,770 --> 01:02:58,441 It brought the salvator mundi into the mind's eye 730 01:02:58,525 --> 01:03:01,486 of so many people very quickly. 731 01:03:04,864 --> 01:03:09,786 This is some kind of an homage to an artist, the first viral artist, 732 01:03:09,869 --> 01:03:14,040 who was the first real image maker, who's... 733 01:03:14,124 --> 01:03:17,544 You know, who would have images that would go all around the world 734 01:03:17,627 --> 01:03:19,045 and be recognized by anyone. 735 01:03:22,048 --> 01:03:24,092 Christie's is in the business of selling. 736 01:03:24,175 --> 01:03:27,220 It's not in the business of authenticating. 737 01:03:27,304 --> 01:03:29,556 And they did a great job 738 01:03:29,639 --> 01:03:33,184 on the back of that amazing marketing campaign, 739 01:03:33,268 --> 01:03:37,814 which everybody, without hesitation, gives plaudits to 740 01:03:37,897 --> 01:03:40,442 as a sort of cynical marketing exercise. 741 01:03:40,525 --> 01:03:42,652 Any serious questions about its authenticity? 742 01:03:42,736 --> 01:03:43,987 None, really. Uh... 743 01:03:44,070 --> 01:03:46,281 It was, as I said, almost completely overpainted. 744 01:03:46,364 --> 01:03:49,492 But once that was removed, after its rediscovery, 745 01:03:49,576 --> 01:03:53,246 the quality of it became very evident, 746 01:03:53,330 --> 01:03:56,166 and, really, there hasn't been any real question. 747 01:03:56,249 --> 01:03:58,126 [Gayle] Why is it called the male Mona Lisa? 748 01:03:58,209 --> 01:04:00,754 [Alan] Well, it's painted around the same time as Mona Lisa. 749 01:04:00,837 --> 01:04:02,672 It's painted around 1500. 750 01:04:02,756 --> 01:04:06,301 And this and the painting of Mona Lisa probably overlap. 751 01:04:08,428 --> 01:04:12,223 [Evan] The salvator mundi global tour took on a life of its own, 752 01:04:12,307 --> 01:04:16,728 to London, to Hong Kong, where there may be clusters of potential buyers. 753 01:04:16,811 --> 01:04:19,564 I was very opposed to them doing that. 754 01:04:19,647 --> 01:04:20,857 It was reckless... 755 01:04:21,691 --> 01:04:25,320 Uh, to send it around the world that way. But they... 756 01:04:26,321 --> 01:04:27,906 I couldn't stop them from doing it. 757 01:04:27,989 --> 01:04:29,574 Christie's is mercenaries. 758 01:04:29,657 --> 01:04:32,786 That's a business. You expect that behavior from them, 759 01:04:32,869 --> 01:04:35,914 and if you're a client of christie's, you want them to do anything 760 01:04:35,997 --> 01:04:40,210 as ruthlessly as possible to get you the greatest price for your asset. 761 01:04:42,921 --> 01:04:46,633 [Evan] In the time I've been at this, I never remember a picture 762 01:04:46,716 --> 01:04:49,135 becoming sort of a pop culture icon 763 01:04:49,219 --> 01:04:51,930 where lines were literally around the corner. 764 01:04:52,013 --> 01:04:54,766 This was a cultural event in its own right. 765 01:04:55,308 --> 01:04:59,646 By the time it came here to New York, everyone wanted a piece of it. 766 01:05:02,273 --> 01:05:07,112 So christie's, their tag line is "the last Leonardo." 767 01:05:07,612 --> 01:05:10,156 Normally, what you'd do with an old master 768 01:05:10,240 --> 01:05:12,826 is you'd talk about the provenance, its composition. 769 01:05:12,909 --> 01:05:15,161 None of that was required here. 770 01:05:15,245 --> 01:05:18,873 They knew they were gonna be appealing to a subset of the collector base 771 01:05:18,957 --> 01:05:21,292 that was thinking about power and legacy. 772 01:05:22,293 --> 01:05:25,505 "Hey, Mr. Billionaire, this is your last chance to acquire 773 01:05:25,588 --> 01:05:28,341 the greatest artist of western civilization." 774 01:05:28,425 --> 01:05:30,105 [Alexandra] You have to know your audience, 775 01:05:30,135 --> 01:05:33,179 because it was a trophy to end all trophies. 776 01:05:33,263 --> 01:05:39,227 It is a work... That's very subject is power. 777 01:05:41,771 --> 01:05:44,732 [Evan] The morning of the sale, I woke up at 6 am. 778 01:05:44,816 --> 01:05:50,113 And had a car fetch me and took me to cnbc's headquarters in midtown. 779 01:05:50,738 --> 01:05:54,242 [Man] The last privately owned Leonardo Da Vinci painting is going to auction... 780 01:05:54,325 --> 01:05:57,662 [Evan] You know, there was so much interest from the financial world. 781 01:05:57,745 --> 01:05:59,581 What would this thing actually make? 782 01:06:00,457 --> 01:06:02,625 - [Man] Who are those bidders? - It's a good question. 783 01:06:02,709 --> 01:06:06,296 I think the bidders are gonna be a contemporary collector, 784 01:06:06,379 --> 01:06:10,508 a trophy hunter, a private equity executive, a hedge fund individual, 785 01:06:10,592 --> 01:06:14,471 or a syndicate from the middle east, Chinese wealthy. 786 01:06:14,554 --> 01:06:17,348 This is a global trophy, and we'll see where it goes. 787 01:06:17,432 --> 01:06:21,811 I think it has a fighting chance to make 180 million or more. 788 01:06:23,730 --> 01:06:27,442 The most expensive painting ever sold in the history of the art world. 789 01:06:31,571 --> 01:06:33,948 Welcome to rockefeller center here in New York. 790 01:06:34,032 --> 01:06:37,076 [Evan] You had a completely packed room. 791 01:06:37,160 --> 01:06:42,040 They had to bring in extra chairs, people were pushed to every corner, 792 01:06:42,123 --> 01:06:45,084 corralled there to try and take in the action. 793 01:06:46,586 --> 01:06:47,946 [Auctioneer] Ladies and gentlemen, 794 01:06:48,004 --> 01:06:50,798 we move to the Leonardo da Vinci, the salvator mundi. 795 01:06:53,384 --> 01:06:55,803 Previously in the collections of three kings of england. 796 01:06:56,596 --> 01:06:58,765 Going over here to take 125. 797 01:06:58,848 --> 01:07:00,558 Last chance, 125 then. 798 01:07:00,642 --> 01:07:02,477 130? 130 with... 799 01:07:11,736 --> 01:07:13,571 Phones started to go up. 800 01:07:14,197 --> 01:07:16,533 [Auctioneer] At 180 million, ladies and gentlemen. 801 01:07:16,616 --> 01:07:18,201 [Crowd applauding] 802 01:07:18,284 --> 01:07:22,330 [Evan] Because that was the most valuable price ever achieved at auction, 803 01:07:22,413 --> 01:07:24,916 and you could hear an audible gasp 804 01:07:24,999 --> 01:07:28,336 as everyone was sort of waiting for that final hammer to come down. 805 01:07:30,296 --> 01:07:33,424 Give me 200, 190 is bid. Who...? 806 01:07:33,508 --> 01:07:36,469 200 million is bid. At 200 million. 807 01:07:36,553 --> 01:07:38,429 There it is at 205. 808 01:07:39,472 --> 01:07:45,270 It was hard to tell how much of the loss of composure was genuine 809 01:07:45,353 --> 01:07:48,273 and how much of it was for the crowd. 810 01:07:49,357 --> 01:07:52,777 At one point, he even has the hammer held in the air. 811 01:07:52,860 --> 01:07:56,155 There is a certain courtesy about how long you wait 812 01:07:56,239 --> 01:07:58,449 for someone to decide if they're gonna make the bid. 813 01:07:58,533 --> 01:08:01,578 In the weeks leading up to the auction, 814 01:08:01,661 --> 01:08:04,289 the team at christie's are receiving calls 815 01:08:04,372 --> 01:08:06,082 from some of the world's richest people. 816 01:08:06,165 --> 01:08:08,084 At the very end of this list 817 01:08:08,167 --> 01:08:11,629 is this one bidder that they've never heard of before. 818 01:08:11,713 --> 01:08:13,756 They needed to make sure he was a real bidder. 819 01:08:13,840 --> 01:08:16,342 So they told him and his team, 820 01:08:16,426 --> 01:08:19,345 "listen, if you want to be a bidder in this auction, 821 01:08:19,429 --> 01:08:22,098 you're gonna have to transfer 10% 822 01:08:22,181 --> 01:08:25,184 of what is the maximum amount you would be willing to pay." 823 01:08:25,268 --> 01:08:27,562 The next morning, the accounting department came over 824 01:08:27,645 --> 01:08:29,731 and said, "you won't believe this, 825 01:08:29,814 --> 01:08:33,860 but that guy just transferred $100 million into our account overnight." 826 01:08:35,361 --> 01:08:39,741 [Alexandra] Oftentimes, there is a predetermined price of sorts. 827 01:08:39,824 --> 01:08:43,745 Very few people, or sometimes only one person, 828 01:08:43,828 --> 01:08:46,331 knows what that final amount will be. 829 01:08:47,707 --> 01:08:52,086 [Auctioneer] 220 is bid, a casual hand goes up at 220 million. 830 01:08:52,170 --> 01:08:54,172 [Crowd chuckling] 831 01:08:55,632 --> 01:08:57,842 Are you all done here, sir? Are you out? 832 01:09:00,345 --> 01:09:01,763 240 million? 833 01:09:03,222 --> 01:09:04,390 So we're all done? 834 01:09:05,725 --> 01:09:06,725 Maybe not. 835 01:09:09,145 --> 01:09:11,064 Don't take the photograph quite yet. 836 01:09:11,147 --> 01:09:13,775 [Crowd laughing] 837 01:09:13,858 --> 01:09:15,860 [Pensive music playing] 838 01:09:17,320 --> 01:09:19,113 Still two of you in the game here. 839 01:09:19,906 --> 01:09:23,743 It became clear that, okay, we're in a duel. 840 01:09:23,826 --> 01:09:28,289 On one telephone, you had someone who wanted to be completely incremental, 841 01:09:28,373 --> 01:09:30,291 that was playing with his own money. 842 01:09:30,375 --> 01:09:33,670 And then you had someone who was using house money. 843 01:09:33,753 --> 01:09:37,131 And that house money was probably not an individual, 844 01:09:37,215 --> 01:09:40,051 but maybe, maybe even a country. 845 01:09:41,052 --> 01:09:42,178 [Auctioneer] I thought so. 846 01:09:42,261 --> 01:09:44,639 - [Crowd gasping] - 300 million. 847 01:09:45,848 --> 01:09:47,850 [Crowd applauding] 848 01:09:56,234 --> 01:09:58,945 Salvator mundi by Leonardo da Vinci. 849 01:10:00,488 --> 01:10:02,615 320 million, we're still not done. 850 01:10:02,699 --> 01:10:04,992 At 330 million now. 851 01:10:10,039 --> 01:10:11,374 Back to francois. 852 01:10:11,457 --> 01:10:12,667 Three-fifty. 853 01:10:13,793 --> 01:10:15,795 [Crowd gasping and murmuring] 854 01:10:17,964 --> 01:10:19,632 350? Okay. 855 01:10:22,844 --> 01:10:26,472 At 350 million for Leonardo's salvator mundi. 856 01:10:26,556 --> 01:10:28,808 - 400. - [Auctioneer] 400 million! 857 01:10:28,891 --> 01:10:30,893 [Crowd applauding] 858 01:10:38,985 --> 01:10:41,237 Salvator mundi selling here at christie's. 859 01:10:41,320 --> 01:10:46,576 $400 million is the bid, and the piece is... sold. 860 01:10:47,410 --> 01:10:49,036 [Crowd cheering] 861 01:10:56,711 --> 01:10:58,755 [Woman] The art world is stunned, they are shocked, 862 01:10:58,838 --> 01:11:00,423 they can't believe it this morning 863 01:11:00,506 --> 01:11:04,343 after the astonishing record-breaking sale of a rare masterpiece. 864 01:11:06,679 --> 01:11:09,265 [Man 1] Who paid 450 million? 865 01:11:11,350 --> 01:11:13,150 [Man 2] Probably a billionaire that bought it. 866 01:11:13,227 --> 01:11:14,771 Your response to me was, "well, duh!" 867 01:11:16,355 --> 01:11:19,525 It's a very anonymous world, 868 01:11:20,485 --> 01:11:22,737 and people aren't always quick to say, "it's me. 869 01:11:22,820 --> 01:11:25,406 I spent all this money, I have all this money. 870 01:11:25,490 --> 01:11:27,450 Come to my house, take whatever you want." 871 01:11:27,533 --> 01:11:29,952 You know, there's privacy because there's fear 872 01:11:30,036 --> 01:11:32,830 around showing your wealth to that degree. 873 01:11:32,914 --> 01:11:37,794 We'll not comment on the identity and the geography of the buyer. 874 01:11:38,336 --> 01:11:42,089 Even if it's decided months, years, decades later 875 01:11:42,173 --> 01:11:44,675 that it's not really by Leonardo da Vinci, 876 01:11:45,468 --> 01:11:49,138 those $450 million will live out in eternity 877 01:11:49,222 --> 01:11:52,975 as a value put upon this work of art. 878 01:12:01,359 --> 01:12:04,862 This director of metropolitan museum of art 879 01:12:04,946 --> 01:12:08,407 wrote on his Instagram page after the sale: 880 01:12:09,575 --> 01:12:14,288 "Watch out, 85% of the painting is by dianne modestini." 881 01:12:15,706 --> 01:12:19,919 And that then was picked up by... 882 01:12:20,795 --> 01:12:24,090 A whole lot of people who didn't know anything. 883 01:12:24,173 --> 01:12:28,010 There were people of all walks, museum curators, 884 01:12:28,094 --> 01:12:30,596 art historians and regular people, just chiming in. 885 01:12:30,680 --> 01:12:35,226 People who had never had any weight, or interest even, 886 01:12:35,309 --> 01:12:40,106 were suddenly decrying this image as false and a fraud. 887 01:12:40,189 --> 01:12:43,192 Then all these, you know, Internet trolls started saying, 888 01:12:43,276 --> 01:12:46,153 "oh, that's because it's not really by Leonardo, 889 01:12:46,237 --> 01:12:48,281 and nobody accepts the attribution." 890 01:12:49,198 --> 01:12:55,121 This is just for self-publicity and to create a scandal, 891 01:12:55,204 --> 01:12:58,124 and nobody really cares what the truth is. 892 01:12:58,833 --> 01:13:01,794 One of the people that spoke most vocally 893 01:13:01,878 --> 01:13:06,048 about the salvator mundi being fake was Jerry saltz. 894 01:13:06,132 --> 01:13:09,385 [Jerry] I've been looking at art for 40 years, 895 01:13:09,468 --> 01:13:12,889 and this is a made-up piece ofjunk. 896 01:13:15,141 --> 01:13:16,142 In drag. 897 01:13:23,149 --> 01:13:28,487 The salvator mundi, it is no more real... 898 01:13:29,363 --> 01:13:35,411 Than any of the other dreamed-up scams and schemes 899 01:13:35,494 --> 01:13:41,876 by people that may not mean to be flimflamming... 900 01:13:44,462 --> 01:13:48,507 But in the end, they all went along for the ride. 901 01:13:49,967 --> 01:13:53,012 Which is the lesson of our time. 902 01:13:53,638 --> 01:13:56,140 I go along with the lie, 903 01:13:56,223 --> 01:13:59,936 I don't say anything because I don't want to be kicked off 904 01:14:00,019 --> 01:14:04,023 the island of love, of power, 905 01:14:04,106 --> 01:14:06,901 of money, of influence. 906 01:14:06,984 --> 01:14:09,487 So you have museum people, 907 01:14:10,029 --> 01:14:15,326 you have collectors, curators, art historians. 908 01:14:16,160 --> 01:14:20,706 Of course, the auction houses who make a big deal about everything. 909 01:14:20,790 --> 01:14:24,710 "Oh, it's our dream painting." Always pushing. 910 01:14:24,794 --> 01:14:27,338 Everybody was complicit 911 01:14:27,421 --> 01:14:31,467 in dreaming up this beautiful dream 912 01:14:31,550 --> 01:14:34,887 of a lost Leonardo da Vinci. 913 01:14:41,644 --> 01:14:45,523 [Dianne] People can get lots of media attention 914 01:14:45,606 --> 01:14:49,610 by saying something outrageous about this painting. 915 01:14:58,661 --> 01:15:02,707 Anyway, so I'm just kind of trying to make a case for myself. 916 01:15:07,044 --> 01:15:11,382 I have continued to study the salvator mundi. 917 01:15:12,091 --> 01:15:17,221 I went to Naples to look at a copy of the salvator mundi. 918 01:15:17,763 --> 01:15:20,057 [Pensive music playing] 919 01:15:34,822 --> 01:15:39,660 I've tried to explain some of the questions about the painting. 920 01:15:48,586 --> 01:15:53,507 There is all this documentation, so I put everything up on a website. 921 01:15:54,925 --> 01:15:59,638 And I want to give anyone who is interested 922 01:15:59,722 --> 01:16:02,850 all the information that I have 923 01:16:02,933 --> 01:16:07,563 so that they can make up their own mind. 924 01:16:09,774 --> 01:16:12,109 After this, I will have my life back. 925 01:16:12,193 --> 01:16:14,737 Because everything I know, 926 01:16:14,820 --> 01:16:18,491 or probably ever will know, about this painting 927 01:16:18,574 --> 01:16:20,117 is on this website. 928 01:16:21,952 --> 01:16:24,580 - [Man] Let's hear it for salvator mundi. - [All laughing] 929 01:16:27,458 --> 01:16:30,461 [Man] Do you feel that you have to defend yourself in your work? 930 01:16:32,880 --> 01:16:33,880 No, I don't. 931 01:16:36,926 --> 01:16:39,929 [Dramatic music playing] 932 01:16:44,600 --> 01:16:48,020 [Doug] A $450 million purchase price, 933 01:16:48,104 --> 01:16:50,272 and nobody knows who's buying it? 934 01:16:50,356 --> 01:16:54,151 The intelligence community is absolutely gonna want to understand 935 01:16:54,235 --> 01:16:56,946 where did the funds come from, where are they going. 936 01:16:57,029 --> 01:16:58,656 It's very difficult to check auctions. 937 01:16:58,739 --> 01:17:00,866 The reason for that is because of the opaqueness. 938 01:17:02,535 --> 01:17:04,453 [Doug] Is there money laundering taking place? 939 01:17:04,537 --> 01:17:07,873 Is there a shifting of assets to support terrorists? 940 01:17:07,957 --> 01:17:09,416 Is it state money? 941 01:17:11,794 --> 01:17:13,796 [Wittman] That anyone would pay that kind of money 942 01:17:13,879 --> 01:17:16,132 for a piece that had questions about it 943 01:17:16,215 --> 01:17:17,591 is very strange. 944 01:17:19,343 --> 01:17:22,513 [Doug] The intelligence community knew very quickly 945 01:17:22,596 --> 01:17:25,432 who had bought it and how they'd bought it, 946 01:17:26,058 --> 01:17:29,019 and chooses to release that information. 947 01:17:33,524 --> 01:17:38,320 [David] Around the end of 2017, I'm based in London. 948 01:17:38,404 --> 01:17:40,614 An old contact of mine from the middle east 949 01:17:40,698 --> 01:17:42,825 gets in touch and wants to meet. 950 01:17:42,908 --> 01:17:47,538 He refuses to tell me why we're meeting, 951 01:17:47,621 --> 01:17:49,582 but when we sit down together, 952 01:17:49,665 --> 01:17:52,835 he shows me some rather extraordinary documents. 953 01:17:53,627 --> 01:17:59,008 And these documents are the details of the arrangements for the sale 954 01:17:59,091 --> 01:18:02,261 between the christie's auction house and the buyer. 955 01:18:02,344 --> 01:18:03,596 [Woman] Reports suggest 956 01:18:03,679 --> 01:18:06,807 that the Saudi Arabia's crown prince is the mysterious buyer 957 01:18:06,891 --> 01:18:09,768 of a rare Leonardo da Vinci painting. 958 01:18:13,063 --> 01:18:16,442 [David] Prince Mohammed bin salman, who has recently become 959 01:18:16,525 --> 01:18:19,028 the effective ruler of Saudi Arabia. 960 01:18:20,529 --> 01:18:24,450 What was so extraordinary about this purchase 961 01:18:24,533 --> 01:18:27,828 is that prince Mohammed bin salman had made this splurge 962 01:18:27,912 --> 01:18:33,209 at the same time that he was cracking down on the Saudi elite, 963 01:18:33,292 --> 01:18:35,502 including many of his own royal cousins. 964 01:18:37,796 --> 01:18:40,633 He had imprisoned many of them in the ritz-Carlton, 965 01:18:40,716 --> 01:18:43,928 forcing them to try to turn over hundreds of millions of dollars 966 01:18:44,011 --> 01:18:47,723 that he said had been stolen from the Saudi government that he wanted back. 967 01:18:47,806 --> 01:18:49,767 His family, by the way, is the Saudi government. 968 01:18:53,646 --> 01:18:59,443 Right around the same time, he had spent half a billion dollars on a yacht, 969 01:18:59,526 --> 01:19:04,240 and a short time later, $300 million on a French chateau. 970 01:19:08,494 --> 01:19:11,622 And then there's one more wrinkle, which is the content of this work. 971 01:19:13,165 --> 01:19:16,877 Most islamic scholars, including the ones that are dominant 972 01:19:16,961 --> 01:19:19,046 in the kingdom of Saudi Arabia, 973 01:19:19,129 --> 01:19:25,010 believe that islam forbids the depiction in art of any of the prophets. 974 01:19:25,094 --> 01:19:27,888 So it's a sacrilegious painting. 975 01:19:29,932 --> 01:19:34,103 And Saudi Arabia has never yet publicly acknowledged 976 01:19:34,186 --> 01:19:38,899 that he or the government of Saudi Arabia is the owner of that work of art. 977 01:19:38,983 --> 01:19:42,027 [Man] Have you been able to obtain any information about 978 01:19:42,111 --> 01:19:45,239 when and where this piece of art will be revealed? 979 01:19:45,322 --> 01:19:48,784 No. No one knows. It remains a complete mystery. 980 01:19:51,620 --> 01:19:56,000 I had unequivocal confirmation that the painting was on the boat. 981 01:20:00,004 --> 01:20:04,717 I got this story and, like, all of a sudden it was in one newspaper, 982 01:20:04,800 --> 01:20:06,552 then it was in another newspaper, 983 01:20:06,635 --> 01:20:10,681 then it was translated into one, two, three, four languages. 984 01:20:10,764 --> 01:20:13,309 CNN is on the phone. Time magazine is on the phone. 985 01:20:13,392 --> 01:20:15,853 I didn't think it would strike an international nerve 986 01:20:15,936 --> 01:20:20,107 and become the most-read article I've written in my entire life, 30 years. 987 01:20:21,608 --> 01:20:22,608 The art newspaper, 988 01:20:22,651 --> 01:20:25,738 after I wrote the article disclosing where the painting was, 989 01:20:25,821 --> 01:20:28,198 they literally tracked the boat to the Netherlands 990 01:20:28,282 --> 01:20:31,785 and it was just a few-hour drive from the louvre. 991 01:20:31,869 --> 01:20:34,872 [Dramatic music playing] 992 01:20:36,540 --> 01:20:39,835 [Woman] And now to the blockbuster exhibition of the year, 993 01:20:39,918 --> 01:20:44,214 perhaps of many years, a celebration of Leonardo da Vinci, 994 01:20:44,298 --> 01:20:46,342 500 years after his death. 995 01:20:51,889 --> 01:20:54,391 [Man in French] 996 01:21:02,232 --> 01:21:05,694 This is the 500th anniversary of Leonardo's death. 997 01:21:05,778 --> 01:21:07,488 This is the big show. 998 01:21:08,405 --> 01:21:11,367 There is huge expectation that if it does turn up, 999 01:21:11,450 --> 01:21:16,997 the curator, Vincent delieuvin, will have a chance to nail the attribution. 1000 01:21:17,790 --> 01:21:20,834 [Man in French] 1001 01:21:29,176 --> 01:21:30,219 [All chuckling] 1002 01:21:37,935 --> 01:21:41,230 [Georgina] Everybody's really talking about the salvator mundi. 1003 01:21:41,313 --> 01:21:42,314 Wrrr it show up? 1004 01:21:42,398 --> 01:21:47,736 And we 're dealing with an owner that is very secretive. 1005 01:21:49,571 --> 01:21:52,199 [In French] 1006 01:22:11,718 --> 01:22:15,139 [Woman] The missing u. S.-Based journalist is no longer alive. 1007 01:22:15,222 --> 01:22:18,058 [Man] The coalition's airstrikes may amount to war crimes. 1008 01:22:18,142 --> 01:22:22,020 [Stéphane] 1009 01:23:20,120 --> 01:23:25,042 [Martin] The arabian states, they want to sort of be seen as cultural nations, 1010 01:23:25,125 --> 01:23:28,045 and for this cultural nation building, 1011 01:23:28,128 --> 01:23:34,510 they need to place the salvator mundi in the Paris louvre show 1012 01:23:34,593 --> 01:23:36,178 because it's a political thing. 1013 01:23:36,803 --> 01:23:38,683 [Kenny] That's what art is being used for today, 1014 01:23:38,722 --> 01:23:41,433 this kind of soft political capital, 1015 01:23:41,517 --> 01:23:45,145 where we may have sliced up a journalist or all of these terrible things, 1016 01:23:45,229 --> 01:23:49,858 and then you cover it with a nice painting and it's a diversion. 1017 01:23:51,902 --> 01:23:55,239 [Stéphane] 1018 01:24:05,207 --> 01:24:09,753 [Georgina] If the louvre says it's an autographed Leonardo, that is a big deal. 1019 01:24:10,712 --> 01:24:13,757 It's not just art history, it's world politics. 1020 01:24:18,554 --> 01:24:21,034 [Martin] The curator of the louvre at this moment has a problem 1021 01:24:21,098 --> 01:24:25,936 because, politically, he cannot refuse the salvator mundi. 1022 01:24:26,019 --> 01:24:29,982 He cannot refuse the attribution to Leonardo, 1023 01:24:30,065 --> 01:24:33,944 but nobody at the moment knows what's going on there. 1024 01:24:36,905 --> 01:24:41,451 [Alison] We know that the painting was brought to Paris in June, 2018, 1025 01:24:41,535 --> 01:24:46,248 where it was taken to the louvre laboratory for a top-secret examination. 1026 01:24:47,708 --> 01:24:50,335 So it's just about six days before the opening 1027 01:24:51,044 --> 01:24:55,382 and I receive the plan for the installation of the exhibition. 1028 01:24:56,049 --> 01:25:02,347 And on that plan is the salvator mundi given pride of place in the final room. 1029 01:25:03,849 --> 01:25:06,977 [Jacques] If it were to be presented as a true Leonardo, 1030 01:25:07,060 --> 01:25:09,896 he would make the institution ridiculous. 1031 01:25:09,980 --> 01:25:14,359 So I wrote to the president of the French republic: 1032 01:25:14,443 --> 01:25:20,449 [In French] 1033 01:25:29,791 --> 01:25:32,794 [Suspenseful music playing] 1034 01:25:33,462 --> 01:25:38,216 [Alison] So we're all waiting to see if the salvator mundi shows up. 1035 01:25:40,636 --> 01:25:44,014 [Dianne] It would be good if the salvator mundi belonged to the public. 1036 01:25:46,224 --> 01:25:49,394 The louvre has all the latest imaging equipment 1037 01:25:49,478 --> 01:25:52,397 to examine the painting, and that would be wonderful. 1038 01:26:00,781 --> 01:26:04,117 [Alison] And I arrive at the advance press preview 1039 01:26:04,201 --> 01:26:08,121 and immediately run through the entire exhibition to see, 1040 01:26:08,205 --> 01:26:10,916 is the salvator mundi in the last room? 1041 01:26:18,632 --> 01:26:23,720 And there on the wall is a bare spot with three picture hooks. 1042 01:26:26,640 --> 01:26:28,517 We think, "are they about to hang it? 1043 01:26:28,600 --> 01:26:32,813 Is this a moment of theater that they have planned for the press?" 1044 01:26:33,355 --> 01:26:38,193 And we then, to our huge disappointment... 1045 01:26:38,860 --> 01:26:41,488 We get a shrug of the shoulders from the louvre. 1046 01:26:42,280 --> 01:26:44,157 [Man in French] 1047 01:26:54,584 --> 01:26:59,214 [Male reporter] One painting not here, the still controversial salvator mundi. 1048 01:26:59,297 --> 01:27:02,843 Here instead, a copy from the same period. 1049 01:27:03,510 --> 01:27:07,013 People were transfixed, and I kept... I said to a couple that... 1050 01:27:07,097 --> 01:27:10,892 I said, "it's a copy. Don't you know that this is a copy?" 1051 01:27:10,976 --> 01:27:15,230 Some of them looked a little confused, but they kept taking pictures of it. 1052 01:27:16,606 --> 01:27:19,985 I was hoping up until the last minute that it would turn up. 1053 01:27:21,862 --> 01:27:25,657 [Female reporter] The most notorious no-show is the salvator mundi. 1054 01:27:36,793 --> 01:27:38,462 It's actually shrouded in mystery, 1055 01:27:38,545 --> 01:27:41,757 because no one has seen it since the sale in 2017. 1056 01:27:48,555 --> 01:27:50,724 [Dianne] People can say whatever they want. 1057 01:27:51,308 --> 01:27:53,268 It's like putting out wildfires. 1058 01:27:55,729 --> 01:28:00,108 You know, one goes away and another one immediately crops up somewhere else. 1059 01:28:01,026 --> 01:28:03,612 It never, never stops. 1060 01:28:13,663 --> 01:28:17,125 A few days ago, I had a really strange experience. 1061 01:28:19,085 --> 01:28:24,966 I visited an art historian at his house and he had some books on the table. 1062 01:28:25,884 --> 01:28:31,348 Among them was a small catalog of the salvator mundi. 1063 01:28:32,224 --> 01:28:33,558 Published by the louvre. 1064 01:28:35,018 --> 01:28:38,188 And I was really taken aback and I said... 1065 01:28:38,855 --> 01:28:41,233 I said, "what is this? I've never seen it." 1066 01:28:41,316 --> 01:28:43,610 He said, "oh, I bought it at the exhibition." 1067 01:28:44,194 --> 01:28:46,238 And I said, "oh, that's strange." 1068 01:28:49,199 --> 01:28:52,285 I started to look for it. Not for sale anywhere. 1069 01:28:52,369 --> 01:28:56,206 I asked our librarian if he could track it down, 1070 01:28:56,790 --> 01:29:00,377 and, uh, he said, "it doesn't seem to exist." 1071 01:29:02,504 --> 01:29:05,465 [Alison] I have heard nothing about this book, 1072 01:29:05,549 --> 01:29:10,595 and I find out that it is produced by the louvre 1073 01:29:10,679 --> 01:29:12,931 on the occasion of the exhibition. 1074 01:29:13,473 --> 01:29:17,143 And it is full of some new technical examination 1075 01:29:17,227 --> 01:29:18,770 they have done of the picture. 1076 01:29:20,438 --> 01:29:24,109 [Dianne] The book recapitulates the history of the painting, 1077 01:29:24,609 --> 01:29:30,949 then goes on to attribute it securely to Leonardo. 1078 01:29:31,032 --> 01:29:34,035 [Dramatic music playing] 1079 01:29:35,495 --> 01:29:40,417 This is the first time that we have an independent body, really, 1080 01:29:40,500 --> 01:29:43,461 doing a thorough analysis of the picture. 1081 01:29:45,630 --> 01:29:47,549 But it's difficult to know what to believe 1082 01:29:47,632 --> 01:29:52,596 when you've got a lost painting, a lost book, 1083 01:29:52,679 --> 01:29:56,683 and no access to the scientific examinations themselves. 1084 01:30:02,522 --> 01:30:05,483 [Antoine in French] 1085 01:30:12,407 --> 01:30:14,492 [Woman] 1086 01:31:02,874 --> 01:31:04,376 [Line beeps] 1087 01:31:07,379 --> 01:31:13,218 Let me say something about institutional knowledge and authority. 1088 01:31:14,886 --> 01:31:18,640 It's not as real and as foolproof, 1089 01:31:19,140 --> 01:31:22,185 and as clean, immaculate... 1090 01:31:23,395 --> 01:31:24,521 As you think. 1091 01:31:24,604 --> 01:31:26,314 It is never neutral. 1092 01:31:26,940 --> 01:31:30,235 Power is never neutral. 1093 01:31:35,740 --> 01:31:38,743 [Ominous music playing] 1094 01:31:49,462 --> 01:31:53,800 [Man] You know people at the louvre. What do they say about the rumors? 1095 01:31:54,968 --> 01:31:58,638 [In French] 1096 01:32:38,094 --> 01:32:41,056 [Evan] So why did mbs pull the work at the last minute? 1097 01:32:42,223 --> 01:32:45,727 What he wanted to do was elevate the salvator mundi 1098 01:32:45,810 --> 01:32:47,771 to the level of the Mona Lisa 1099 01:32:47,854 --> 01:32:51,441 by placing it not amongst the lesser da vincis, 1100 01:32:51,524 --> 01:32:54,944 where the work would be subjected to every academic 1101 01:32:55,028 --> 01:32:58,615 who wanted to make a name for themselves by opining on the work. 1102 01:33:00,241 --> 01:33:06,498 He wanted it opposite the Mona Lisa as a civilizational masterpiece. 1103 01:33:17,300 --> 01:33:19,969 It was just a raw power, you know, 1104 01:33:20,053 --> 01:33:24,224 "we own this thing, we're gonna show it to the world when we're ready." 1105 01:33:29,270 --> 01:33:31,731 [Kenny] For shit sure the painting's gonna turn up again. 1106 01:33:31,815 --> 01:33:34,025 You can stick it in some place in the desert 1107 01:33:34,109 --> 01:33:37,529 and start to lure tourists from all over the world to see it 1108 01:33:37,612 --> 01:33:39,823 and stand in front of it like Disneyland. 1109 01:33:40,448 --> 01:33:41,616 That's gonna happen. 1110 01:33:46,913 --> 01:33:50,375 [In French] 1111 01:34:16,276 --> 01:34:19,279 [Pensive music playing] 1112 01:34:34,210 --> 01:34:37,338 [Evan] At this moment, it is a Da Vinci, 1113 01:34:37,422 --> 01:34:41,801 and even the debate adds some attractive force to it. 1114 01:34:42,385 --> 01:34:44,888 Even that there are folks that may disagree 1115 01:34:44,971 --> 01:34:48,183 makes you want to go look in its eye and see for yourself 1116 01:34:48,266 --> 01:34:50,351 what all the fuss is about. 1117 01:34:55,440 --> 01:34:59,861 [Dianne] My greatest regret is that it did not go to a museum. 1118 01:35:01,446 --> 01:35:05,033 And of course, everyone's idea of the picture is now formed 1119 01:35:05,116 --> 01:35:08,620 by mystery and legend and speculation. 1120 01:35:08,703 --> 01:35:10,997 I still have lots of art supplies here. 1121 01:35:14,667 --> 01:35:19,005 It would be very surprising if all the experts suddenly said, 1122 01:35:19,547 --> 01:35:22,217 "oh, yes, this is absolutely by Leonardo." 1123 01:35:24,719 --> 01:35:26,638 And there are no documents. 1124 01:35:26,721 --> 01:35:32,435 It cannot be proven, you know, factually, beyond a doubt. 1125 01:35:39,192 --> 01:35:41,194 [Dog whining] 1126 01:35:42,403 --> 01:35:43,529 You okay? 1127 01:35:53,456 --> 01:35:56,918 Of course I wish that I could move on. 1128 01:36:01,673 --> 01:36:06,678 But the salvator mundi is always with me because I'm never allowed to forget. 1129 01:36:10,139 --> 01:36:14,143 [Man] The mystery is sort of solved, but not really. 1130 01:36:14,227 --> 01:36:18,690 And this, again, is a whole new sort of rabbit hole, hall of mirrors. 1131 01:36:18,773 --> 01:36:20,775 [People speaking indistinctly] 1132 01:36:24,570 --> 01:36:27,407 [Woman 1] The painting hasn't been seen since it was sold. 1133 01:36:27,490 --> 01:36:31,411 [Woman 2] Once described as the greatest discovery of the 21st century, 1134 01:36:31,494 --> 01:36:35,123 the mystery surrounding salvator mundi continues today... 1135 01:36:35,206 --> 01:36:37,208 [Indistinct chatter continues] 1136 01:36:57,061 --> 01:37:00,064 [Ethereal music playing] 92148

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