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1 975, it was a very important year
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There were many feminist battles
for the liberalisation of morality
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We fought against the strictness
of a bourgeois society...
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and this film was kind of
in the same direction
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At that time I was only 1 9...
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and when I first read that script
I was a bit shocked ...
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because actually there were
quite a few strong scenes
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But of course I insisted it was art
not pornography
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Nevertheless later society
took its revenge...
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not only in banning the film ...
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and later the trial
which of course we won...
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but for many years after,
until recently, people used to say...
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"Miss Villoresi acted in pornographic
films when she was young. . ."
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"And was even photographed
in pornographic magazines"
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In fact this film was
very beautiful and important
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I watched the film again recently
and saw it in a new light
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The truth is that death is always
closing in round these characters
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When someone
challenges their elders...
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or questions
the general way of thinking...
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and goes in a new direction,
it can have extreme consequences
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U ltimately it can lead
to your own death
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But these characters
were drowning anyway
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The ship of aristocracy
was sinking
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so what could they
have done otherwise...
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if not to live among the luxuries
enjoying it while it lasted
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That's why they accepted to die
along with their own world ...
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That's why there's
a sense of death in the film
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But also so much lightness
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A key figure
to understand the film ...
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is the young H ungarian girl
who works as a waitress...
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with this powder...
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a kind of a drug she puts
in the champagne glasses...
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and who becomes
happier and happier...
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more and more free...
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she takes her clothes off,
and is finally naked
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I remember she dances
among the tables...
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making everyone drink
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There was lightness, I mean...
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which was kind of the queen,
a co-ruler together with death...
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in the story of this film
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Back then
I lacked a certain lightness
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The character was light,
my body and my face were light
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I'm Austro-H ungarian looking,
Italian but my mother is German...
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Austrian grandma,
H ungarian great grandma...
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this is part of my family's history,
you can see that
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But those were years when,
because I was in an adult world ...
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working since I was 1 5,
I had to make myself stand out
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Those were years
of social struggle, the 1 970's
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And I was kind of
a grumpy little duck
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So for instance there are many
scenes in the film ...
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like one where I am in a bath
with warm water...
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and yet I project this
gloomy feeling, all too serious
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And I think I was lacking
a degree of lightness
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And yet lightness is a
leading theme of this film
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I was playing the role
of the Crown Prince's sister
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Let's say a character kind of
on the edge of the story
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But she gets closer to her brother
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Maybe by herself
she would not have done it...
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become so rebellious
with no way back
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Nevertheless
she fosters and supports it...
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always looking from afar
to her brother
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And she is...
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a sister deeply in love
with her own brother
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so she supports him
until the very end
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She is a character
capable of supporting...
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without becoming
the center of the story
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A beautiful character
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I can't remember my audition at all
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I've blanked it out. . .
I'm not even sure I did one
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But I remember being on set
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I remember his elegance,
with that cigar in his mouth
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I remember them as much older,
Giovanna and Miklós...
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Actually Giovanna is only
ten years older than me
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But I remember them
as so much older
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And I remember him as so calm ,
with very clear ideas...
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and a great sense of humor
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We were staying in a dream place,
it was called Maribor...
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and there in that villa
and in that park...
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even in decay...
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it felt like lying in a bed
from which a body's been taken...
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it's not there anymore but the
bedsheets are still messy and warm
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You could still feel the warm press
of that vanished empire
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A beautiful place
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I also remember the cold
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Even if it was summer it was
further north than Rome...
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and so quite cold
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On some mornings,
since we were naked ...
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we had bathrobes and gowns...
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but by the end of the shoot
it was really quite cold ...
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as it was
already September
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I remember they used to give us
Slivovitz and Turkish coffee
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Slivovitz is this Croatian brandy
made from plums
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But we didn't get drunk at all ,
we just used it to keep warm
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This incredible set
was full of so many people...
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but yet there was
a calmness about it...
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as if Miklós had imposed
a kind of elegance...
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a certain way to behave
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I also remember the beauty
of those long takes we rehearsed
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it was amazing to see all those
different movements we tried
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where everything had to
line up perfectly...
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the horses had to enter on time,
we had to move around the camera
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That set was a little bit magical
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There were many extras who didn't
know exactly what they were there for
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and in the film there are many scenes
where all you see is their behinds
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I remember all these trucks arriving
with the extras...
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There was
an Italian businessman there...
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while the extras were having
little bows in the Imperial colors...
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tied onto their penises
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"How shall I explain all this
when I get back to Italy? "
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And then the porn stars arrived ,
including Ilona Staller
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I remember they spent hours
putting on make-up...
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but then they only shot
their behinds
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I remember laughing so much
about that with Teresa Ann Savoy!
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With Branciaroli as well
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All this. . .and then the only thing
that they shot was their arses
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Lajos Balázsovits
was a great actor already
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Although we were young
we were all quite well known...
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in the theatre back home
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Lajos had already acted
in another film with Miklós
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He was a very handsome
and easy going boy
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There were quite a few
"film set" affairs going on
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I remember we had a lot of fun
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And then I remember there was
the female protagonist...
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which was Teresa Ann Savoy
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She had an English friend with her,
very fair skin, freckles and red hair
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They were both on
some kind of a diet...
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and only ate
bread crusts and grapes
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The rest of us really enjoyed
all the food there
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Like local sausages,
grilled vegetable kebabs...
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all that stuff...
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and potato and cabbage salads,
red wine and white wine...
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so we all really looked forward
to dinner every night
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We were in the countryside
so it was all local stuff
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But those girls ate only
bread crusts and grapes...
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and it really upset me
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And I remember Franco Branciaroli ,
we became close friends...
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because we were both actors
from the Italian theatre
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And I talked a lot
with him and his partner...
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about very serious topics
regarding the theatre
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He was always
more serious than me!
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I was forgetting Laura Betti
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Laura had a heritage
she brought with herself...
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from working with Pasolini ,
which was important to her
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I acted with her again in
Il Gabbiano a few years later
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One year later actually...
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or maybe only a few months. . .
just after Pasolini died
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She brought with her this heritage
but she was very easy going
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and I remember that this
area of sexual transgression...
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was very important to her
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Perhaps because of this
Pasolini heritage
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We were a long time
in make-up...
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because we were wearing
those wigs...
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and Iole Cecchini
was a stunning hairdresser
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What hairdos!
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We all had vintage hairdos,
vintage clothes...
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when we had clothes!
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But it all took a very long time
because there were so many of us
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But mostly I remember
waiting in the cold
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But it was also a pleasure...
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because I learnt a lot
from these skilled make up people
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It was a training which was
very useful to me...
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in the theater
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I'm quite good at wearing hairpieces,
putting make-up on for the stage
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Of course the audience
don't see it in close up
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They're at least
1 0 meters away
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but I became good at this thanks to
these amazing film artists
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I remember "wearing" this nudity
with a certain lightness...
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because those were the years
of free love...
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and the body was not pornographic,
but rather beautiful and alive...
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which is really part of
the Austro-H ungarian tradition
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If you have the chance to go to
Budapest thermal baths...
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the famous ones at the Gellert Hotel
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I remember a beautiful
experience there once
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in the thermal baths of the Hotel
there were a small child ...
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her mother who was maybe
20 something...
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a very old woman maybe 85 years old ,
and me, about 40 at the time...
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and it was lovely because we seemed
to be dipped in the fountain of life
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In this
Austro-H ungarian tradition...
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there's a more relaxed attitude
towards the body
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There's a pornographic book from
the end of the 1 9th century...
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maybe the beginning
of the 20th...
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called , in English,
Pauline the Prima Donna...
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where this Austrian girl
goes to Vienna for work...
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and has a lot of fun
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Then she accepts an engagement
in Germany...
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and for heaven's sake, she
spends two years in chastity...
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because any scandal
could have ruined her career
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Finally she visits Budapest...
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and from the night she arrives
it's a real orgy of pleasure...
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in every possible meaning
of the word
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So there was this great freedom
in the eastern side of the empire
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Also, this was post 1 968,
the years of revolution...
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so I felt no trace of embarrassment
related to nudity
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Instead , there was a great pride,
a great pleasure...
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and even though we should
feel like that at any age...
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if you can't feel free at 20,
when can you?
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But there is also something else
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Those years were
years of liberation
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We didn't have this sense
of the body being dirty
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I'm not talking about people
who don't wash, obviously
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There was nothing sinful
in the human body
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We used to do that during concerts
as well sometimes...
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touching each other,
woman to woman or man to man
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There was something very pure
about owning one's own body
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There was something very innocent
in our way of making love then
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There was no morbidity
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Let's own our own bodies
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In those years, I owned mine,
and I had a lot of fun
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But I don't remember that sense
of morbidity or shame...
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that many people feel nowadays
about many aspects of sexuality
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It was very liberating in this respect,
there was no kind of false modesty...
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none at all
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There was an amazing
H ungarian musician called Tamás
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And my son is now
called Tommaso
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Partly as my father-in-law
was H ungarian...
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Gabor Pogany,
great cinematographer...
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but mostly because that name
remained in my heart
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There was a scene
where we were dancing a waltz...
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our costumes start melting,
clothes flying away...
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One of the sweetest moments
in the film ...
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and Tamás was singing...
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I was kissing Lajos and then Teresa
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It was beautiful ...
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and back then such things
could really happen
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