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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:13,315 --> 00:00:15,395 ANNE: Is that you, Mark? 'Yeah, Mum, it's me. 2 00:00:15,435 --> 00:00:17,955 'You're not gonna believe this. I'm sitting next to Dad!' 3 00:00:18,955 --> 00:00:20,075 He's alive! 4 00:00:21,074 --> 00:00:24,594 Mark, you have your father back. I'm so happy for you. 5 00:00:24,634 --> 00:00:27,834 Would you mind? It's just a thing we do with our clients. 6 00:00:28,914 --> 00:00:30,593 CAMERA SHUTTER CLICKS 7 00:00:30,633 --> 00:00:33,273 OFFICER: John Darwin? I'm arresting you on suspicion of fraud. 8 00:00:33,313 --> 00:00:34,353 This is ridiculous. 9 00:00:35,393 --> 00:00:36,593 'Since our dad was arrested, 10 00:00:36,633 --> 00:00:40,272 'we are very much in an angry and confused state of mind.' 11 00:00:40,312 --> 00:00:44,192 The front cover of today's Daily Mirror simply reads: 12 00:00:44,232 --> 00:00:46,712 "John never had amnesia." 13 00:00:48,111 --> 00:00:49,911 Firstly, I think you're a good person who, 14 00:00:49,951 --> 00:00:52,111 for reasons that are probably very complicated, 15 00:00:52,151 --> 00:00:53,471 did a truly dreadful thing. 16 00:00:53,511 --> 00:00:54,911 Second, tell the police the truth 17 00:00:54,951 --> 00:00:57,390 and start rebuilding your relationship with your boys. 18 00:00:57,430 --> 00:01:00,390 Anne Darwin? I'm arresting you on suspicion of fraud. 19 00:01:00,430 --> 00:01:02,310 We've not spoken to either of our parents, 20 00:01:03,470 --> 00:01:07,869 and at this present time, we want no further contact with them. 21 00:01:07,909 --> 00:01:09,989 JOURNALISTS YELL, CAMERA SHUTTERS CLICK 22 00:01:13,149 --> 00:01:17,868 'We've not spoken to either of our parents, and at this present time, 23 00:01:17,908 --> 00:01:21,068 'we want no further contact with them.' 24 00:01:43,465 --> 00:01:44,625 Anne. Hello. 25 00:01:45,985 --> 00:01:48,265 Hello, I'm Nicola. 26 00:01:48,305 --> 00:01:51,664 Hello, nice to meet you. Nice to meet you too. 27 00:01:52,624 --> 00:01:53,784 How long will I get? 28 00:01:54,904 --> 00:01:57,224 Do you think, in prison? How long might I get? 29 00:01:59,464 --> 00:02:01,103 So, it's very simple. 30 00:02:01,143 --> 00:02:03,303 We stick her in one room, stick him in another, 31 00:02:03,343 --> 00:02:04,783 and we play them off. 32 00:02:05,863 --> 00:02:09,662 Bottom line, Anne, the more honest you are with us, 33 00:02:09,702 --> 00:02:13,382 the more information you can give us about what actually happened here, 34 00:02:13,422 --> 00:02:16,302 the quicker we'll have all this sorted. OK? 35 00:02:16,342 --> 00:02:18,341 Yes. Good. 36 00:02:18,381 --> 00:02:21,901 And so we are interviewing her at the same time as speaking to you, 37 00:02:21,941 --> 00:02:25,181 which means any answers you give us, we'll be checking with her 38 00:02:25,221 --> 00:02:27,380 to see if they tally up and vice versa, 39 00:02:27,420 --> 00:02:28,420 does that make sense? 40 00:02:28,460 --> 00:02:29,780 Yes. Good. 41 00:02:29,820 --> 00:02:32,220 Although do bear in mind that Anne does not have 42 00:02:32,260 --> 00:02:35,060 a very sophisticated grasp of financial matters. 43 00:02:35,100 --> 00:02:38,059 Right. Just the one brain cell, you see. 44 00:02:39,019 --> 00:02:40,859 Your wife of 34 years. 45 00:02:40,899 --> 00:02:42,179 Tell me about it. 46 00:02:42,219 --> 00:02:44,379 Would you like me to repeat the question, Anne? 47 00:02:45,618 --> 00:02:47,338 No, I heard the question. 48 00:02:52,978 --> 00:02:56,417 When I started the insurance claim, I still believed him to be dead. 49 00:02:57,697 --> 00:02:59,457 You took quite a long time to answer that. 50 00:02:59,497 --> 00:03:00,497 But she did. 51 00:03:00,537 --> 00:03:02,337 I'm just wondering why you hesitated? 52 00:03:02,377 --> 00:03:04,536 She's answered the question. Can you move on, please? 53 00:03:04,576 --> 00:03:06,696 Just remember, Anne, this is your interview. 54 00:03:06,736 --> 00:03:09,576 This is your chance to tell us your side of things. 55 00:03:14,015 --> 00:03:16,135 He turned up half way through. 56 00:03:16,175 --> 00:03:17,215 'It's not true.' 57 00:03:17,255 --> 00:03:19,095 I turned up after they'd been paid out. 58 00:03:19,135 --> 00:03:21,534 I thought you said you couldn't remember when you turned up. 59 00:03:21,574 --> 00:03:23,294 The specific month, I said. 60 00:03:23,334 --> 00:03:25,494 But you can specifically remember 61 00:03:25,534 --> 00:03:27,414 that it was after the claim was settled? 62 00:03:27,454 --> 00:03:28,934 Yes. 63 00:03:28,974 --> 00:03:32,333 Erm... Which month was the claim settled, then? 64 00:03:36,413 --> 00:03:39,052 Ah. Nice try. I don't remember. 65 00:03:39,092 --> 00:03:41,092 This isn't the "yes, no" game, John. 66 00:03:41,132 --> 00:03:44,132 Your wife has already told us that you never had amnesia. 67 00:03:44,172 --> 00:03:46,732 She's mistaken. Perhaps she's forgotten. 68 00:03:46,772 --> 00:03:50,251 Yes, he told me he'd faked the whole thing. 69 00:03:50,291 --> 00:03:52,411 His disappearance? Yes. 70 00:03:52,451 --> 00:03:55,171 For financial reasons? Yeah. 71 00:03:57,130 --> 00:03:58,450 Did he tell you where he'd been? 72 00:04:00,170 --> 00:04:02,770 No. "Around and about," he said. 73 00:04:02,810 --> 00:04:03,930 HE SCOFFS 74 00:04:03,970 --> 00:04:06,169 For over a year? Y-Yes. 75 00:04:07,969 --> 00:04:08,969 OK. 76 00:04:11,169 --> 00:04:13,489 But why didn't you go straight to the police at that point? 77 00:04:14,808 --> 00:04:16,648 He said if we went to the police 78 00:04:17,848 --> 00:04:20,808 we'd have to pay the insurance money back immediately, 79 00:04:20,848 --> 00:04:22,888 and then we'd be back where we'd started. 80 00:04:22,928 --> 00:04:25,567 Facing bankruptcy? Yes. 81 00:04:27,847 --> 00:04:30,207 So what was his plan at this point? 82 00:04:31,447 --> 00:04:34,806 For me to sell all the other houses, and then hand himself in 83 00:04:34,846 --> 00:04:37,286 when we were in a position to pay the money back. 84 00:04:37,326 --> 00:04:41,166 OK. And how's that plan going? Well, I'm here, aren't I? 85 00:04:41,206 --> 00:04:44,525 I'm not with you. Why else do you think I returned? 86 00:04:45,645 --> 00:04:47,845 I don't know, why did you? To pay the money back. 87 00:04:47,885 --> 00:04:50,404 Oh, so you've made contact with the insurance companies, then? 88 00:04:50,444 --> 00:04:52,724 Well, I would have, if you hadn't arrested me. 89 00:04:52,764 --> 00:04:55,444 So it's our fault. We spoilt your plan? 90 00:04:55,484 --> 00:04:56,644 You and the press. 91 00:04:56,684 --> 00:04:58,964 Ah, well, apologies. Accepted. 92 00:05:01,763 --> 00:05:03,523 Can I just ask, though, John, 93 00:05:03,563 --> 00:05:06,523 if your plan was to sell all the properties, 94 00:05:06,563 --> 00:05:08,802 with the intention of paying the money back 95 00:05:08,842 --> 00:05:09,922 when you got straight 96 00:05:11,482 --> 00:05:12,842 why did you move to Panama? 97 00:05:16,602 --> 00:05:17,601 No comment. 98 00:05:18,801 --> 00:05:20,481 And buy a flat there? 99 00:05:20,521 --> 00:05:23,081 No comment. And a plot of land? 100 00:05:24,761 --> 00:05:26,640 No comment. 101 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:30,040 Well, Anne, why did you just go along with it? 102 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:32,280 Why didn't you tell him it was wrong and dishonest? 103 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:34,840 I should have and. 104 00:05:36,479 --> 00:05:38,199 I should have told the boys at that point, 105 00:05:38,239 --> 00:05:40,039 but he said if I went to the police, 106 00:05:40,079 --> 00:05:42,839 he'd tell them I was in it from the start. 107 00:05:42,879 --> 00:05:45,158 You were an adult. You could've refused. 108 00:05:45,198 --> 00:05:48,318 And I bitterly regret my decision, but 109 00:05:49,998 --> 00:05:52,198 he was hard to resist - John was very forceful. 110 00:05:57,557 --> 00:05:59,437 Anne. 111 00:05:59,477 --> 00:06:01,357 Why... 112 00:06:02,636 --> 00:06:05,036 Why don't you just tell us the truth? 113 00:06:08,276 --> 00:06:10,796 You were in on it from the start, weren't you? 114 00:06:10,836 --> 00:06:13,555 She's answered the question. Can you move on, please? 115 00:06:17,315 --> 00:06:20,394 So the, er, life insurance policies that you took out 116 00:06:20,434 --> 00:06:22,714 just three months before you went missing, 117 00:06:22,754 --> 00:06:24,834 is that date relevant, John? 118 00:06:24,874 --> 00:06:26,274 You tell me. 119 00:06:26,314 --> 00:06:28,594 No, you tell me. That's how this works. 120 00:06:28,634 --> 00:06:30,153 Is that date relevant? No. 121 00:06:30,193 --> 00:06:33,353 No? So it's pure coincidence 122 00:06:33,393 --> 00:06:37,313 that you took out a life insurance policy in December 2001, 123 00:06:37,353 --> 00:06:39,832 which then allowed your wife to make a very large claim 124 00:06:39,872 --> 00:06:42,072 just 12 weeks later? Yes. 125 00:06:42,112 --> 00:06:44,552 Is it also a coincidence that on a computer hard drive, 126 00:06:44,592 --> 00:06:46,952 taken from your house soon after your disappearance, 127 00:06:46,992 --> 00:06:49,311 we've since found a downloaded file 128 00:06:49,351 --> 00:06:52,391 titled "Missing Persons and Police Investigations"? 129 00:06:55,071 --> 00:06:56,990 One of the boys must have downloaded that. 130 00:06:57,030 --> 00:07:01,350 It was dated a month before you went missing, John. 131 00:07:04,110 --> 00:07:05,189 Fair play. 132 00:07:06,389 --> 00:07:07,629 That's a tricky one. 133 00:07:08,709 --> 00:07:12,149 OK, I'm now showing Anne Exhibit AB01, 134 00:07:12,189 --> 00:07:16,548 which is a copy of a library card, registered at Hartlepool library, 135 00:07:16,588 --> 00:07:20,188 in the name of "John Jones". 136 00:07:20,228 --> 00:07:23,867 Anne, can you tell me who you see 137 00:07:23,907 --> 00:07:25,187 on that photo? 138 00:07:26,587 --> 00:07:27,587 SOFTLY: It's John. 139 00:07:27,627 --> 00:07:30,307 Except this fella has a beard. 140 00:07:30,347 --> 00:07:33,146 I presume you can grow a beard? Yes. 141 00:07:33,186 --> 00:07:36,626 OK, so is that you, but with a beard? 142 00:07:38,546 --> 00:07:39,826 Maybe. 143 00:07:39,866 --> 00:07:41,705 John, I'm asking if you can identify yourself. 144 00:07:41,745 --> 00:07:44,585 No comment. OK, well 145 00:07:44,625 --> 00:07:46,665 perhaps you could read two things out for me, then. 146 00:07:46,705 --> 00:07:49,305 The date it was issued and the address. 147 00:07:51,744 --> 00:07:54,664 22nd of April 2002. 148 00:07:54,704 --> 00:08:01,223 Address, Number Four, The Cliff, Seaton Carew. OK. 149 00:08:01,263 --> 00:08:04,583 So just four weeks after you went missing, 150 00:08:04,623 --> 00:08:06,663 a man who looked very much like you... 151 00:08:06,703 --> 00:08:09,142 Ah, yeah, but with a beard, yeah, 152 00:08:09,182 --> 00:08:12,342 applies for a library card and gives your home address. 153 00:08:13,622 --> 00:08:15,902 But this man's called John Jones! 154 00:08:17,421 --> 00:08:21,221 Come on, Anne, he was living at number four from day one, wasn't he? 155 00:08:21,261 --> 00:08:23,541 No. And you knew from day one. 156 00:08:23,581 --> 00:08:25,221 I didn't. 157 00:08:25,261 --> 00:08:29,060 Were your boys in on it, too? No, absolutely not. 158 00:08:29,100 --> 00:08:32,180 Cos our economic crime unit is finding all sorts of things. 159 00:08:32,220 --> 00:08:34,740 What things? Money transfers to Mark and Anthony, 160 00:08:34,780 --> 00:08:37,619 fake property sales to Mark. 161 00:08:37,659 --> 00:08:40,739 Basically money laundering, very serious of fence. 162 00:08:40,779 --> 00:08:42,579 That was just an inheritance tax thing. 163 00:08:42,619 --> 00:08:45,698 Please, they never knew anything about any of this, please. 164 00:08:48,658 --> 00:08:51,698 It's interesting how upset you're getting, 165 00:08:53,057 --> 00:08:56,577 and I tell you, I do not wanna have to bring your lads in. 166 00:08:56,617 --> 00:08:58,137 Please don't. 167 00:08:58,177 --> 00:09:01,657 The best way to head that off is for you tell us the whole truth. 168 00:09:01,697 --> 00:09:03,736 You were in on it from the start, weren't you? 169 00:09:03,776 --> 00:09:04,936 No. 170 00:09:04,976 --> 00:09:08,296 And you knew John was perfectly fine when you dialled 999 171 00:09:08,336 --> 00:09:10,016 and said he was missing. 172 00:09:10,056 --> 00:09:13,855 In fact, I'm surprised the attending officer didn't see wet footprints 173 00:09:13,895 --> 00:09:15,375 going up the stairs. 174 00:09:16,895 --> 00:09:18,015 Am I right? 175 00:09:22,334 --> 00:09:23,334 No comment. 176 00:09:24,454 --> 00:09:25,814 'Have a seat.' 177 00:09:31,853 --> 00:09:34,253 So, we need to have a talk about bail. 178 00:09:34,293 --> 00:09:35,653 No. No bail. 179 00:09:38,052 --> 00:09:40,492 You do understand what happens now, don't you, Anne? 180 00:09:40,532 --> 00:09:44,732 Anyone not released on bail is kept in a prison, 181 00:09:44,772 --> 00:09:47,091 on remand, until their trial. 182 00:09:49,251 --> 00:09:50,811 Where would I even go? 183 00:09:52,931 --> 00:09:56,770 I only have one friend, and she won't speak to me now. 184 00:09:56,810 --> 00:10:00,450 Obviously none of my family would want me, so where would I even go? 185 00:10:02,770 --> 00:10:05,369 DISTANT SIRENS WAIL 186 00:10:08,889 --> 00:10:10,209 OFFICER: Mind the step. 187 00:10:11,569 --> 00:10:13,808 Take a seat here, please. DOOR SLAMS. 188 00:10:36,766 --> 00:10:39,006 Heya. Hey. 189 00:10:39,366 --> 00:10:40,925 It's all good, no-one's followed me. 190 00:10:40,965 --> 00:10:43,965 I know you think I'm overreacting but last night 191 00:10:45,845 --> 00:10:48,125 there were about 50 of them outside the house. 192 00:10:48,165 --> 00:10:49,924 Lou's had to go stay with her parents. 193 00:10:49,964 --> 00:10:51,524 I've had to check in here. 194 00:10:51,564 --> 00:10:55,124 So I just spoke to the police again. And? 195 00:10:55,164 --> 00:10:57,004 They'll want to interview us at some point. 196 00:10:57,044 --> 00:10:58,723 As "witnesses", apparently, now. 197 00:10:58,763 --> 00:11:01,523 Well, we don't do anything without a solicitor. 198 00:11:01,563 --> 00:11:03,243 I'll call my lawyer, shall I (?) 199 00:11:03,283 --> 00:11:05,283 Uncle Michael's sorting us out with one. 200 00:11:06,883 --> 00:11:07,882 How is he? 201 00:11:08,962 --> 00:11:10,042 Same as all of us. 202 00:11:12,362 --> 00:11:13,922 I just can't stop thinking about the 203 00:11:15,762 --> 00:11:19,601 literally hundreds of times we went up there, Mark 204 00:11:21,401 --> 00:11:24,641 to keep her spirits up whilst we were dying inside. 205 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:27,560 'Do you know how it makes me feel, mate?' 206 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:29,920 Makes me really hate her. 207 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:35,159 I'm raging about them both, but at least he only told one lie. 208 00:11:36,999 --> 00:11:38,279 An evil, horrible one, 209 00:11:39,879 --> 00:11:41,279 but it was just one. 210 00:11:41,319 --> 00:11:42,319 'Anne Darwin?' 211 00:11:42,359 --> 00:11:47,638 'She lied to us every day for five-and-a-half years. 212 00:11:47,678 --> 00:11:49,638 'Every single day.' 213 00:11:49,678 --> 00:11:51,158 You start thinking, 214 00:11:51,198 --> 00:11:54,157 "Well, if she could lie so easily about that," 215 00:11:54,197 --> 00:11:56,437 "about our actual dad being dead" 216 00:11:57,917 --> 00:12:00,397 "what else could she have lied about?" 217 00:12:01,516 --> 00:12:02,796 OFFICER: Clothes in here. 218 00:12:03,876 --> 00:12:05,076 Put your wedding ring in here. 219 00:12:09,516 --> 00:12:13,435 And then I think, "Wow, is it all just some" 220 00:12:14,755 --> 00:12:16,395 "fucked-up lie?" 221 00:12:18,395 --> 00:12:19,554 Our family 222 00:12:21,114 --> 00:12:22,474 our childhood 223 00:12:25,594 --> 00:12:27,554 our whole life with them? 224 00:12:35,153 --> 00:12:38,032 Did either of them ever even genuinely love us? 225 00:12:38,072 --> 00:12:39,552 PRISONERS CHAT INDISTINCTLY 226 00:12:42,592 --> 00:12:43,792 So that's me. 227 00:12:45,832 --> 00:12:47,671 That's where I am, mate. 228 00:12:49,911 --> 00:12:51,911 ANNE: 'And here I was. 229 00:12:51,951 --> 00:12:54,511 'Where I'd feared ending up all my life. 230 00:12:56,710 --> 00:12:58,550 'Utterly alone.' 231 00:12:59,670 --> 00:13:00,870 DOOR BANGS 232 00:13:02,750 --> 00:13:04,349 LATCH CLUNKS, KEYS JANGLE 233 00:13:04,389 --> 00:13:06,229 WOMEN SHOUT DISTANTLY 234 00:13:22,667 --> 00:13:24,747 'It's from John.' 235 00:13:24,787 --> 00:13:29,387 "Dear Dad, just to let you know, please don't worry." 236 00:13:31,426 --> 00:13:32,586 Carry on. 237 00:13:34,706 --> 00:13:37,546 Sorry. That's it. 238 00:13:41,785 --> 00:13:44,225 JOHN ON PHONE: 'I really don't think you've given any thought 239 00:13:44,265 --> 00:13:45,905 'as to what it's like for me. 240 00:13:45,945 --> 00:13:48,745 'An ex-prison officer in prison. 241 00:13:48,785 --> 00:13:52,224 'I've had my food spat in, I've been punched, abused verbally. 242 00:13:52,264 --> 00:13:53,904 Whatever you think it's like for you, 243 00:13:53,944 --> 00:13:56,184 it's so much worse for me. 244 00:13:57,184 --> 00:13:58,823 'Except it wasn't. 245 00:13:58,863 --> 00:14:01,303 'John had already given up his boys once, 246 00:14:01,343 --> 00:14:02,943 'without a second thought, really. 247 00:14:02,983 --> 00:14:07,023 'For me, it felt like my heart had been ripped out.' 248 00:14:08,702 --> 00:14:12,142 'My darling son, I wanted to write you again 249 00:14:12,182 --> 00:14:16,261 'to tell you how profoundly sorry I am for what I have done. 250 00:14:16,301 --> 00:14:19,301 'I will never be able to explain my actions, 251 00:14:19,341 --> 00:14:21,901 'because what I did was as inexplicable 252 00:14:21,941 --> 00:14:23,661 'as it was unforgiveable. 253 00:14:24,821 --> 00:14:29,980 'But what I can say is that I love you so much. 254 00:14:30,020 --> 00:14:34,299 'I always have loved you, and I always will love you, 255 00:14:34,339 --> 00:14:37,299 'even if you never want to see me again. 256 00:14:37,339 --> 00:14:39,899 'Which I fully expect to be the case.' 257 00:14:42,859 --> 00:14:43,898 HE SIGHS 258 00:14:56,457 --> 00:15:00,217 'And indeed, despite the dozens of letters I wrote to them 259 00:15:00,257 --> 00:15:03,856 'over the next few months, neither replied. 260 00:15:05,176 --> 00:15:06,936 'How could I possibly blame them? 261 00:15:07,976 --> 00:15:09,256 'And so, finally 262 00:15:10,335 --> 00:15:14,415 'finally, I realised there was only one way forward 263 00:15:14,455 --> 00:15:16,175 'if I ever wanted to see them again.' 264 00:15:19,334 --> 00:15:20,534 'I lied.' 265 00:15:20,574 --> 00:15:23,334 I was in on it from the very start. 266 00:15:25,774 --> 00:15:29,493 So you knew, before he went out in the canoe, 267 00:15:29,533 --> 00:15:31,773 that he intended to fake his own death? 268 00:15:33,653 --> 00:15:35,013 Yes, I did. 269 00:15:35,053 --> 00:15:38,092 And when you reported him missing? I knew he was fine. 270 00:15:38,132 --> 00:15:40,412 In fact, I'd picked him up from North Gare beach 271 00:15:40,452 --> 00:15:41,772 about two hours before 272 00:15:41,812 --> 00:15:43,732 and then driven him to Durham station, 273 00:15:43,772 --> 00:15:45,572 where he got the train to the lakes 274 00:15:45,612 --> 00:15:48,051 and camped by a stream for the next three weeks. 275 00:15:48,091 --> 00:15:50,331 He then came back to Seaton 276 00:15:50,371 --> 00:15:54,531 and lived between numbers three and four for the next five years. 277 00:15:55,930 --> 00:15:57,610 I never wanted to do any of it. 278 00:15:59,130 --> 00:16:02,570 And I tried constantly to persuade him not to. 279 00:16:05,729 --> 00:16:07,249 But I did do it. 280 00:16:08,889 --> 00:16:10,249 I was in on it 281 00:16:11,489 --> 00:16:12,729 from the very beginning. 282 00:16:15,968 --> 00:16:17,808 And I'm very, very sorry. 283 00:16:44,005 --> 00:16:45,445 OK. 284 00:16:46,565 --> 00:16:47,805 Yes. 285 00:16:50,364 --> 00:16:51,764 I faked it all. 286 00:17:02,043 --> 00:17:03,443 DOOR CLANGS 287 00:17:08,762 --> 00:17:11,082 Oh, my God. John. 288 00:17:16,881 --> 00:17:19,321 HE BREATHES DEEPLY 289 00:17:19,361 --> 00:17:22,081 They said I could see you for two minutes. Who did? 290 00:17:23,161 --> 00:17:24,161 J... please... 291 00:17:24,201 --> 00:17:26,960 Cos we're all we have now, love. Each other... 292 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:29,840 John, someone could walk in... We just have to stick together. 293 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:31,200 OFFICER: That's enough, fella. 294 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:33,879 Right, out, now! 295 00:17:38,999 --> 00:17:41,079 I also wanted to tell you 296 00:17:42,718 --> 00:17:45,118 that I forgive you, Anne. 297 00:17:45,158 --> 00:17:46,678 WHISPERING: I do. 298 00:17:56,197 --> 00:17:57,237 Call me, Anne! 299 00:17:58,757 --> 00:17:59,997 DOOR BANGS 300 00:18:11,835 --> 00:18:14,955 'Even harder than confessing to the police 301 00:18:14,995 --> 00:18:18,994 'was telling my parents that the daughter they had always adored 302 00:18:19,034 --> 00:18:23,154 'had betrayed every single principle they had ever believed in. 303 00:18:24,634 --> 00:18:27,074 'I fully expected them to disown me. 304 00:18:36,353 --> 00:18:37,432 'But I am guilty.' 305 00:18:39,032 --> 00:18:41,992 Well, that's what I'm saying, if we can prove that you were coerced, 306 00:18:42,032 --> 00:18:43,432 then no, you're not. 307 00:18:44,512 --> 00:18:46,271 I didn't have to do anything. 308 00:18:46,311 --> 00:18:48,351 I was an adult, I made my own choices. 309 00:18:48,391 --> 00:18:50,271 He never threatened me or hurt me. 310 00:18:50,311 --> 00:18:53,071 Physically, no, but emotionally? 311 00:18:53,111 --> 00:18:55,670 Every day of your life together, as I understand it, 312 00:18:55,710 --> 00:18:58,230 and I think I can argue that that wears a person down, 313 00:18:58,270 --> 00:19:00,590 day after day year after year, 314 00:19:00,630 --> 00:19:02,950 till they no longer have the strength to resist. 315 00:19:04,109 --> 00:19:07,669 So what would I get? For a guilty plea, I mean. 316 00:19:07,709 --> 00:19:10,709 Maybe... three years? 317 00:19:13,828 --> 00:19:18,188 Four, four-and-a-half if you go not guilty and lose. 318 00:19:18,228 --> 00:19:20,908 Which I should stress is entirely possible. 319 00:19:20,948 --> 00:19:22,347 It's a tough defence to prove. 320 00:19:24,147 --> 00:19:25,387 But if it succeeded? 321 00:19:27,547 --> 00:19:29,147 Well, then you'd walk free. 322 00:19:32,866 --> 00:19:35,946 'It was a horrible decision to have to make. 323 00:19:35,986 --> 00:19:37,706 'And for many weeks, 324 00:19:37,746 --> 00:19:42,745 'I had absolutely no idea what the right thing to do was.' 325 00:19:42,785 --> 00:19:44,625 WOMEN LAUGH 326 00:19:48,704 --> 00:19:51,264 ON PA SYSTEM: 'Officers requested in rec area three. 327 00:19:51,304 --> 00:19:53,504 'Please report to Officer Crenshaw.' 328 00:19:53,544 --> 00:19:56,104 'And then a few days before my first hearing, 329 00:19:56,144 --> 00:19:58,183 'my parents came to see me. 330 00:19:59,463 --> 00:20:02,223 'These good, good people, 331 00:20:02,263 --> 00:20:06,263 'my flesh and blood who had been so shamed and let down, 332 00:20:06,303 --> 00:20:10,622 'told me whatever I'd done, they still loved me. 333 00:20:10,662 --> 00:20:12,982 'That they would always love me.' 334 00:20:15,062 --> 00:20:18,181 I'm so scared my parents will die before I get out. 335 00:20:20,381 --> 00:20:23,381 And I think, if I could just see my boys 336 00:20:24,500 --> 00:20:26,740 talk to them, maybe I could... 337 00:20:29,980 --> 00:20:32,300 And he did make me do it, he really did. 338 00:20:32,340 --> 00:20:35,459 I... I tried to stop him so many times. 339 00:20:35,499 --> 00:20:39,219 OK, well, the pre-trial hearing is in three weeks. 340 00:20:40,459 --> 00:20:43,418 How do you want to plead? I want to go not guilty. 341 00:20:56,417 --> 00:20:58,857 'And then, finally, the day arrived. 342 00:20:58,897 --> 00:21:01,696 'I'm not sure what I was most scared of 343 00:21:01,736 --> 00:21:06,576 'the trial itself or seeing my boys in court. 344 00:21:06,616 --> 00:21:09,935 'A torment John avoided by already pleading guilty. 345 00:21:12,975 --> 00:21:15,055 'I was on my own.' 346 00:21:15,455 --> 00:21:17,975 OFFICER: OK, Anne, it's time. 347 00:21:18,015 --> 00:21:21,374 BARRISTER: 'Members of the jury, the defendant stands before you, 348 00:21:21,414 --> 00:21:26,574 'charged with 15 counts of deception and money laundering. 349 00:21:26,614 --> 00:21:30,573 'Mrs Darwin's defence is one of marital coercion, 350 00:21:30,613 --> 00:21:33,933 'but, for this to succeed, it must be shown 351 00:21:33,973 --> 00:21:38,412 'that her husband was present each time an of fence was committed. 352 00:21:38,452 --> 00:21:39,812 'It is the Crown's submission 353 00:21:39,852 --> 00:21:43,212 'that not only was her husband very often not present, 354 00:21:43,252 --> 00:21:46,131 'but that over a period of five-and-a-half years, 355 00:21:46,171 --> 00:21:50,051 'and with multiple opportunities to end the deceit, 356 00:21:50,091 --> 00:21:54,330 'she in fact repeatedly offended 357 00:21:54,370 --> 00:21:58,490 'willingly, individually and actively.' 358 00:22:00,330 --> 00:22:02,050 'We will furthermore show 359 00:22:02,090 --> 00:22:05,849 'that, far from being a submissive and coerced wife, 360 00:22:05,889 --> 00:22:10,329 'Mrs Darwin was in fact a clever and ingenious liar 361 00:22:10,369 --> 00:22:13,008 'who was able to effortlessly deceive 362 00:22:13,048 --> 00:22:15,248 'on an almost industrial scale. 363 00:22:15,288 --> 00:22:18,368 'To the police, to the Coroner's Court, 364 00:22:18,408 --> 00:22:20,088 'to her work friends and colleagues 365 00:22:20,128 --> 00:22:24,287 'and, perhaps most shamefully, to her own children.' 366 00:22:24,327 --> 00:22:25,687 All rise. 367 00:22:25,727 --> 00:22:27,447 And lastly, members of the jury, 368 00:22:27,487 --> 00:22:30,246 as sons, daughters, mothers yourself, 369 00:22:30,286 --> 00:22:33,566 I will ask you, when you look at that infamous photo 370 00:22:33,606 --> 00:22:35,886 in a Panamanian estate agent, 371 00:22:35,926 --> 00:22:38,406 if you see a terrified woman, 372 00:22:38,446 --> 00:22:42,245 coerced in to telling her children their father was dead, 373 00:22:42,285 --> 00:22:46,445 or if you see a devious and wily woman, 374 00:22:46,485 --> 00:22:49,524 smiling at the prospect of a new life 375 00:22:49,564 --> 00:22:51,164 in a tropical paradise, 376 00:22:51,204 --> 00:22:54,844 paid for with the fruits of her dreadful fraud. 377 00:22:56,004 --> 00:22:57,523 It crushed my world. 378 00:22:58,683 --> 00:23:00,643 Of course it did. 379 00:23:00,683 --> 00:23:03,123 I loved him. He was... He was a great dad. 380 00:23:04,883 --> 00:23:07,082 Crushed my entire world. 381 00:23:07,122 --> 00:23:10,522 'It might have appeared like I took control, but I didn't really.' 382 00:23:10,562 --> 00:23:14,242 It was only ever within the confines of what he ultimately wanted. 383 00:23:15,841 --> 00:23:17,881 Are you a good liar, Mrs Darwin? 384 00:23:17,921 --> 00:23:20,601 I hope not. Well, did you convince your sons 385 00:23:20,641 --> 00:23:22,721 for five-and-a-half years their father was dead? 386 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,240 Yes. And the police? 387 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:28,640 Yes. And the coroner? 388 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:30,640 So, you are telling the court, on oath, 389 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:32,959 that he forged your signature? 390 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:37,359 He made a footer template of it on his computer. 391 00:23:37,399 --> 00:23:42,038 So any letter, any instruction to a bank or lawyer or whoever, 392 00:23:42,078 --> 00:23:43,638 he could write it 393 00:23:43,678 --> 00:23:46,158 and it would appear to be from you? Yes. 394 00:23:46,198 --> 00:23:48,358 So, you had no idea at all? 395 00:23:48,398 --> 00:23:50,678 She told me it was to do with inheritance tax. 396 00:23:50,718 --> 00:23:52,557 And you believed her? 397 00:23:54,317 --> 00:23:55,637 She was my mother. 398 00:23:56,797 --> 00:23:59,397 And was money important to him? Yes. 399 00:23:59,437 --> 00:24:01,476 And the appearance of it? Maybe. 400 00:24:01,516 --> 00:24:03,116 And your mother? 401 00:24:03,156 --> 00:24:05,836 Er... I'd always thought the opposite. 402 00:24:05,876 --> 00:24:09,275 "I cannot wait to join you, my darling. 403 00:24:09,315 --> 00:24:12,355 "Missing you so much." 404 00:24:12,395 --> 00:24:14,275 "All my love." 405 00:24:14,315 --> 00:24:16,875 "Kiss, kiss, kiss." 406 00:24:16,915 --> 00:24:18,754 Who wrote that? 407 00:24:20,514 --> 00:24:21,834 I did. 408 00:24:24,554 --> 00:24:27,913 "Generally, I only ever take her out to vote." 409 00:24:27,953 --> 00:24:30,153 He actually said that? Yes. 410 00:24:30,193 --> 00:24:32,393 To a friend of his in front of you? 411 00:24:32,433 --> 00:24:35,713 Yes. I think he thought it was funny. 412 00:24:35,752 --> 00:24:38,152 Angry, betrayed 413 00:24:39,912 --> 00:24:41,312 stupid. 414 00:24:41,352 --> 00:24:43,792 I felt all of that. 415 00:24:43,832 --> 00:24:48,231 I still do. Every single day, I... still have very negative... 416 00:24:48,271 --> 00:24:50,991 Where was John when you roped your unwitting children 417 00:24:51,031 --> 00:24:52,511 into laundering money for you? 418 00:24:52,551 --> 00:24:55,030 He was in Panama. 419 00:24:55,070 --> 00:24:58,150 My point is that he wasn't standing over you 420 00:24:58,190 --> 00:24:59,630 as you spoke to the bank, 421 00:24:59,670 --> 00:25:02,510 forcing you to commit a criminal act, was he? 422 00:25:02,550 --> 00:25:05,949 He didn't need to actually be in the room. 423 00:25:05,989 --> 00:25:09,549 He was on the end of an email, or phone, or just in my head. 424 00:25:10,869 --> 00:25:12,708 You can fight your corner, can't you? 425 00:25:12,748 --> 00:25:13,828 I can now. 426 00:25:13,868 --> 00:25:15,788 Under immense pressure, in a public trial. 427 00:25:15,828 --> 00:25:20,228 But not, apparently, at home with your non-violent husband. 428 00:25:22,107 --> 00:25:23,387 You don't know what to think. 429 00:25:23,427 --> 00:25:26,507 I mean, it took me a long time to even believe the photo was real, 430 00:25:26,547 --> 00:25:29,587 that any parent could have done such a thing. 431 00:25:29,626 --> 00:25:32,346 It took me a long time to accept that. 432 00:25:32,386 --> 00:25:35,586 I'm not even sure I have. Maybe I never will. 433 00:25:35,626 --> 00:25:38,985 Can I ask, why didn't you just leave him? 434 00:25:39,025 --> 00:25:42,785 This man you claim was an oppressive bully. 435 00:25:44,465 --> 00:25:46,745 I wanted to keep the family together. 436 00:25:48,384 --> 00:25:50,784 You "wanted to keep the family together"? 437 00:25:50,824 --> 00:25:53,424 Oh, the irony, Mrs Darwin. 438 00:25:54,704 --> 00:25:56,064 And let me ask you this. 439 00:25:56,104 --> 00:25:59,383 If you hadn't have picked John up from North Gare, 440 00:25:59,423 --> 00:26:01,463 if you'd have said to him on the phone, 441 00:26:01,503 --> 00:26:04,783 "Oh, I can't go through with this," or, "I'm not doing this to my boys," 442 00:26:04,823 --> 00:26:07,862 what were you frightened was going to happen to you 443 00:26:07,902 --> 00:26:09,502 for disobeying his request? 444 00:26:09,542 --> 00:26:11,302 Was he going to beat you up? No. 445 00:26:11,342 --> 00:26:14,262 Were you scared that when he got home, 446 00:26:14,302 --> 00:26:17,181 he might manipulate you a bit? 447 00:26:21,501 --> 00:26:24,420 I was frightened that he might leave me. 448 00:26:28,180 --> 00:26:33,059 'The jury took less than four hours to reach a verdict.' 449 00:26:33,099 --> 00:26:36,379 I accept that your husband, John Darwin, 450 00:26:36,419 --> 00:26:38,339 was the driving force behind this deceit, 451 00:26:38,379 --> 00:26:42,418 but you, Anne, although perhaps initially unconvinced, 452 00:26:42,458 --> 00:26:47,018 went on to contribute to its success and play your part very efficiently. 453 00:26:47,058 --> 00:26:50,298 In my judgment, you operated as a team, 454 00:26:50,338 --> 00:26:53,057 each adding something to the joint venture. 455 00:26:53,097 --> 00:26:55,657 And it is the duration of the offending, 456 00:26:55,697 --> 00:26:57,377 its multi-faceted nature, 457 00:26:57,417 --> 00:27:01,216 and, in particular, the grief inflicted over the years 458 00:27:01,256 --> 00:27:04,696 to the real victims, your own children, 459 00:27:04,736 --> 00:27:09,575 that make this a case that merits a particularly severe sentence. 460 00:27:09,615 --> 00:27:11,495 Anne Catherine Darwin, 461 00:27:11,535 --> 00:27:15,575 I sentence you to a term of six years and six months. 462 00:27:15,615 --> 00:27:17,095 Take her down. 463 00:27:22,574 --> 00:27:25,774 'It was three months longer than John got, 464 00:27:25,814 --> 00:27:28,413 'but then I was their mother. 465 00:27:28,453 --> 00:27:32,133 'I think most people felt I'd got what I deserved.' 466 00:27:36,172 --> 00:27:38,252 DOOR CLANGING SHUT 467 00:27:40,412 --> 00:27:42,412 'And so it began. 468 00:27:42,452 --> 00:27:46,651 'Six years and six months, minus parole. 469 00:27:46,691 --> 00:27:48,971 'I tried to keep busy. 470 00:27:49,011 --> 00:27:50,771 'Keep myself distracted. 471 00:27:52,251 --> 00:27:58,170 'I continued to write to the boys, never really expecting a reply. 472 00:27:58,210 --> 00:28:01,410 'And John continued to write and call.' 473 00:28:01,450 --> 00:28:04,129 Look, money's not going to be an issue, love. 474 00:28:04,169 --> 00:28:07,129 Trust me. Our story sells. 475 00:28:07,169 --> 00:28:10,889 'And I wanted to cut him off, I really did, but it was hard. 476 00:28:12,088 --> 00:28:16,168 'After 35 years, and with nothing else in my life, 477 00:28:16,208 --> 00:28:19,768 'even about a bad future felt better than none whatsoever.' 478 00:28:19,808 --> 00:28:21,207 Fear not. 479 00:28:21,247 --> 00:28:26,447 We play our cards right, we are going to be sitting pretty. 480 00:28:31,926 --> 00:28:34,806 'And then eight months into my time inside, 481 00:28:34,846 --> 00:28:38,725 'the prison chaplain suggested I speak to a counsellor 482 00:28:38,765 --> 00:28:41,765 'because I could not rid myself of thoughts of death.' 483 00:28:46,365 --> 00:28:48,964 GRACE: 'What would you like to get from these sessions?' 484 00:28:49,004 --> 00:28:52,844 I suppose to wake up every day not hating myself would be a start. 485 00:28:54,004 --> 00:28:55,964 And how do you think you could get to that place? 486 00:28:59,283 --> 00:29:01,083 Through my family. 487 00:29:02,363 --> 00:29:03,883 My children. 488 00:29:05,482 --> 00:29:08,842 By somehow showing them that this is not who I am, 489 00:29:08,882 --> 00:29:12,442 that I did a terrible, terrible thing, but... 490 00:29:12,482 --> 00:29:15,801 I don't think that I'm a terrible person. 491 00:29:19,481 --> 00:29:21,441 I don't expect forgiveness. 492 00:29:21,481 --> 00:29:25,840 I never expected to be forgiven. I just ask for second chance. 493 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:30,760 To show them that... I could be a good mother again. 494 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:35,039 Be the person I used to be, or should have been. 495 00:29:35,079 --> 00:29:36,799 Could may be even still. 496 00:29:38,319 --> 00:29:39,639 And who was that? 497 00:29:42,078 --> 00:29:44,118 She was kind, I think. 498 00:29:46,198 --> 00:29:47,718 And loving. 499 00:29:49,518 --> 00:29:53,317 With conscience. She knew right from wrong. 500 00:29:57,237 --> 00:29:59,236 And she didn't want much. 501 00:30:00,876 --> 00:30:04,476 A happy family, enough money to pay the bills. 502 00:30:06,476 --> 00:30:08,035 A simple life. 503 00:30:09,755 --> 00:30:13,035 So, how do you get back to her? 504 00:30:16,675 --> 00:30:18,754 I don't know. 505 00:30:18,794 --> 00:30:21,274 OK, mate. You take care. 506 00:30:22,954 --> 00:30:24,594 How is he? 507 00:30:25,874 --> 00:30:26,953 Angry. 508 00:30:29,233 --> 00:30:30,593 Sad. 509 00:30:32,433 --> 00:30:35,712 Laughing about it, and then... crying. 510 00:30:38,192 --> 00:30:39,752 Fucked up, basically. 511 00:30:43,072 --> 00:30:44,191 And you? 512 00:30:46,111 --> 00:30:48,831 It just feels like they're both dead. 513 00:30:53,590 --> 00:30:55,070 I'm not sure I can bear that. 514 00:30:56,350 --> 00:30:58,390 'I was never a confident person.' 515 00:30:59,790 --> 00:31:04,069 When I look back... my first encounter with him, 516 00:31:04,109 --> 00:31:07,869 John... was when I was 14 on the bus. 517 00:31:09,149 --> 00:31:11,668 And he knocked my school hat off. 518 00:31:17,388 --> 00:31:19,708 It was just a silly joke, and. 519 00:31:21,027 --> 00:31:25,147 I'm sure he didn't mean to, but... he made me feel stupid. 520 00:31:27,387 --> 00:31:29,026 More stupid. 521 00:31:30,466 --> 00:31:34,026 I was already very aware I wasn't academic, like him. 522 00:31:35,346 --> 00:31:37,106 But 523 00:31:37,146 --> 00:31:42,385 maybe that set the tone, as it were. 524 00:31:44,385 --> 00:31:47,544 Because he was the only boy I ever... 525 00:31:51,384 --> 00:31:53,704 And I went straight from my parents' house 526 00:31:53,744 --> 00:31:56,263 to living with him after we got married, so. 527 00:31:57,503 --> 00:32:00,023 I never knew anything but him. 528 00:32:00,063 --> 00:32:04,143 How he spoke to me... how he regarded me. 529 00:32:06,062 --> 00:32:09,902 And I think that's been quite a thing, 530 00:32:12,982 --> 00:32:15,341 for the last 35 years. 531 00:32:28,980 --> 00:32:30,220 Anne? 532 00:32:31,620 --> 00:32:33,259 Hope it's good news. 533 00:32:33,299 --> 00:32:34,699 Thank you. 534 00:32:44,018 --> 00:32:46,258 'Dear Mum, I hope you are well 535 00:32:46,298 --> 00:32:49,218 'and not finding things too difficult. 536 00:32:49,258 --> 00:32:52,457 'We are all still trying to adjust to what has happened, 537 00:32:52,497 --> 00:32:54,617 'which has not been easy. 538 00:32:54,657 --> 00:32:56,817 'But I would like to come and see you, 539 00:32:56,857 --> 00:32:59,416 'so I'll send a request today. 540 00:32:59,456 --> 00:33:02,256 'Take care of yourself. Mark.' 541 00:33:02,296 --> 00:33:04,816 SHE SOBS 542 00:33:07,016 --> 00:33:08,495 I'm just not there. 543 00:33:09,535 --> 00:33:11,935 You don't have to apologise. 544 00:33:13,295 --> 00:33:14,415 HE SIGHS 545 00:33:15,735 --> 00:33:19,094 Maybe it's the baby, just... HE EXHALES SHARPLY 546 00:33:19,134 --> 00:33:21,574 knowing I could never do anything to hurt him. 547 00:33:25,014 --> 00:33:27,413 But either way, I'm just not there. 548 00:33:35,812 --> 00:33:38,252 PEOPLE CHATTERING 549 00:34:12,048 --> 00:34:14,128 Mum? 550 00:34:35,006 --> 00:34:37,525 We didn't even know until the trial 551 00:34:37,565 --> 00:34:39,525 that you'd been in on it from the start. 552 00:34:40,925 --> 00:34:42,485 That when you hugged me 553 00:34:43,765 --> 00:34:45,205 that first night I came up 554 00:34:46,524 --> 00:34:47,764 you knew! 555 00:34:47,804 --> 00:34:49,684 I'm so sorry. 556 00:34:50,884 --> 00:34:53,204 Everything we found out, you made us find out in public. 557 00:34:54,564 --> 00:34:56,843 Online, newspapers. 558 00:34:56,883 --> 00:34:59,123 In a bloody court room, Mam! 559 00:34:59,163 --> 00:35:01,203 And there is no excuse. 560 00:35:01,243 --> 00:35:03,043 A reason'd help. 561 00:35:03,083 --> 00:35:05,522 Why, after everything you'd done, you still kept lying. 562 00:35:05,562 --> 00:35:09,162 For the same reason I ever did, Mark, just the shame. 563 00:35:09,202 --> 00:35:11,882 The terrible, terrible guilt and shame I felt. 564 00:35:11,922 --> 00:35:13,002 So it was about you, is it? 565 00:35:13,042 --> 00:35:15,041 H-How telling the truth would make YOU feel? 566 00:35:15,081 --> 00:35:17,681 I knew it would break your hearts, love. 567 00:35:17,721 --> 00:35:20,361 No, no, no, no. No! No! You don't... 568 00:35:20,401 --> 00:35:22,720 Don't you dare cry! I'm sorry. 569 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:26,920 And I just kept thinking, hoping, praying, 570 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,120 all along that there would be some way I could fix it 571 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,519 before that had to happen, but there just never was. 572 00:35:31,559 --> 00:35:33,999 No, you were probably too preoccupied 573 00:35:34,039 --> 00:35:35,919 drinking pina coladas on the beach! 574 00:35:56,557 --> 00:35:58,916 GRACE: 'What did you expect?' 575 00:35:58,956 --> 00:36:01,956 No more than what I got. 576 00:36:01,996 --> 00:36:05,236 ANNE SNIFFLES But I suppose... 577 00:36:05,276 --> 00:36:08,635 I thought I might be left feeling a tiny scrap of hope. 578 00:36:08,675 --> 00:36:12,595 And again, I know I don't deserve that, but 579 00:36:12,635 --> 00:36:14,995 it doesn't stop me yearning for it. 580 00:36:15,035 --> 00:36:16,354 SHE SNIFFLES 581 00:36:17,914 --> 00:36:19,914 It's been so long. 582 00:36:21,434 --> 00:36:23,714 DOOR BUZZES Am I sorry? 583 00:36:24,914 --> 00:36:28,153 Well, that I got caught, yes. Very! 584 00:36:33,113 --> 00:36:36,992 But seriously, of course, if what I did 585 00:36:38,112 --> 00:36:40,512 upset you, then yes. 586 00:36:40,552 --> 00:36:42,592 Of course I'm sorry. 587 00:36:45,351 --> 00:36:47,191 Tell me about the American woman. 588 00:36:48,551 --> 00:36:50,391 And all the others you've been writing 589 00:36:50,431 --> 00:36:51,951 your shabby little letters to. 590 00:37:02,749 --> 00:37:04,669 'I know what should be the first step.' 591 00:37:04,709 --> 00:37:05,989 "Should"? 592 00:37:06,029 --> 00:37:09,469 Well, because whether I could actually do it not, I don't know. 593 00:37:09,509 --> 00:37:12,108 And what are we talking about? 594 00:37:13,828 --> 00:37:15,548 Leaving him. 595 00:37:16,708 --> 00:37:18,548 OK. 596 00:37:18,588 --> 00:37:22,107 And why might you not be able to do that? 597 00:37:22,147 --> 00:37:24,187 I find the idea petrifying. 598 00:37:26,267 --> 00:37:29,586 Despite all the wrongs you feel he's done you? 599 00:37:29,626 --> 00:37:31,026 Yes. 600 00:37:31,066 --> 00:37:35,786 And what specifically is it that you're scared of? 601 00:37:36,826 --> 00:37:38,305 Everything. 602 00:37:40,865 --> 00:37:44,105 I've never lived any part of my life on my own. 603 00:37:44,145 --> 00:37:48,424 I wouldn't know how to even be, who I even am. I mean, 604 00:37:50,024 --> 00:37:52,064 for my entire adult life, 605 00:37:52,104 --> 00:37:54,504 I've just been an extension of him, really. 606 00:37:55,623 --> 00:37:58,623 Or not even that, just a nothing. 607 00:37:58,663 --> 00:37:59,863 Invisible. 608 00:38:01,103 --> 00:38:03,943 And so starting again, from scratch 609 00:38:05,502 --> 00:38:09,422 trying to create a new me at the age of nearly 60 610 00:38:10,902 --> 00:38:13,141 it makes me sick with fear, Grace. 611 00:38:14,781 --> 00:38:17,701 Slightly different tack. Does John make you happy? 612 00:38:17,741 --> 00:38:19,661 He has done at times in our life. 613 00:38:19,701 --> 00:38:21,461 I'm not happy now, obviously, 614 00:38:21,501 --> 00:38:23,900 and haven't been much in the last ten years or so, 615 00:38:23,940 --> 00:38:25,580 but before that, yes. 616 00:38:25,620 --> 00:38:29,340 But on balance? Would you say he's been good for you? 617 00:38:35,659 --> 00:38:37,659 He gave me two beautiful sons. 618 00:38:38,939 --> 00:38:43,298 'I knew what she wanted me to say, but as ridiculous as it may seem. 619 00:38:44,538 --> 00:38:47,378 'I just didn't feel strong enough to be on my own.' 620 00:38:51,297 --> 00:38:54,657 He's beautiful, mate. Must have Lou's genes. 621 00:38:54,697 --> 00:38:57,097 Well, I bloody hope so. 622 00:38:57,137 --> 00:38:59,456 Wouldn't want too many of our side in there. 623 00:39:01,056 --> 00:39:03,016 No, fair enough. 624 00:39:06,576 --> 00:39:09,375 Flick was just saying you saw her again last week. 625 00:39:10,655 --> 00:39:11,855 Yeah. 626 00:39:14,415 --> 00:39:16,174 And how was it? 627 00:39:18,014 --> 00:39:19,414 It's still hard. 628 00:39:21,014 --> 00:39:23,414 I'm not quite sure what I'm hoping for. 629 00:39:24,734 --> 00:39:26,173 I think... 630 00:39:28,693 --> 00:39:30,573 I think I've just come to the conclusion 631 00:39:30,613 --> 00:39:32,853 that I'd prefer to have her in my life than not. 632 00:39:36,972 --> 00:39:38,492 Dad? 633 00:39:40,492 --> 00:39:42,092 Harder. 634 00:39:44,291 --> 00:39:46,131 I'm not sure he really gets it. 635 00:39:47,211 --> 00:39:48,731 Or ever will. 636 00:39:52,330 --> 00:39:55,250 So, I wrote to her yesterday. 637 00:39:58,370 --> 00:39:59,970 Requested a visit. 638 00:40:01,849 --> 00:40:03,049 OK. 639 00:40:06,169 --> 00:40:09,529 So... all I'll say 640 00:40:13,088 --> 00:40:17,528 just don't expect any... blinding moment of forgiveness. 641 00:40:17,568 --> 00:40:19,367 Cos my guess is that ain't gonna happen. 642 00:40:21,687 --> 00:40:25,007 I think it's just gonna be this very long, slow 643 00:40:27,647 --> 00:40:29,366 accommodation. 644 00:40:35,486 --> 00:40:37,085 DOOR CLOSING 645 00:40:58,203 --> 00:40:59,363 Hello, Mam. 646 00:40:59,403 --> 00:41:01,283 Hello, love. Thank you so much coming. 647 00:41:01,323 --> 00:41:02,603 I'm so pleased to see you. 648 00:41:02,643 --> 00:41:05,442 Well, I couldn't not let you meet this little fella, could I? 649 00:41:12,122 --> 00:41:14,561 I don't know what to say. How old is he? 650 00:41:14,601 --> 00:41:16,281 He's four months now. 651 00:41:16,321 --> 00:41:18,601 He's beautiful. 652 00:41:18,641 --> 00:41:20,801 He takes after his mother. 653 00:41:20,841 --> 00:41:24,040 Who asked me to say hello and that she sends you her love. 654 00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:25,560 That's incredibly kind of her. 655 00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:28,560 Please send her my love and huge congratulations. 656 00:41:31,679 --> 00:41:33,679 Would you like to hold him? 657 00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:35,239 I would, very much. 658 00:41:54,757 --> 00:41:56,357 BABY FUSSES 659 00:41:56,397 --> 00:41:58,196 Aw... 660 00:41:58,236 --> 00:42:00,676 'It was an extraordinary act of generosity 661 00:42:02,036 --> 00:42:04,436 'that I didn't deserve. 662 00:42:04,476 --> 00:42:06,316 'And it finally gave me the strength 663 00:42:06,356 --> 00:42:09,595 'to do what I had needed to do for so long.' 664 00:42:09,635 --> 00:42:11,075 BABY BABBLES, SHE LAUGHS 665 00:42:13,995 --> 00:42:15,674 PHONE RINGS 666 00:42:17,834 --> 00:42:18,914 Hello? 667 00:42:18,954 --> 00:42:20,794 What the hell's going on? 668 00:42:20,834 --> 00:42:23,874 You've stopped writing. You haven't been taking my calls. 669 00:42:23,914 --> 00:42:25,433 Why? 670 00:42:25,473 --> 00:42:27,353 You don't make me happy, John. 671 00:42:28,433 --> 00:42:31,193 I think you haven't for many years. 672 00:42:31,233 --> 00:42:32,633 You don't hear me. 673 00:42:32,673 --> 00:42:35,472 'You don't listen to me...' That is total rubbish, Anne. 674 00:42:35,512 --> 00:42:37,872 'You don't know what you're...' You're not listening now. 675 00:42:37,912 --> 00:42:41,672 Just stop talking, please. Just stop always talking and listen. 676 00:42:42,711 --> 00:42:45,391 But much more important than any of that, 677 00:42:45,431 --> 00:42:48,471 I don't think you love me, John. 678 00:42:48,511 --> 00:42:50,071 I do. 679 00:42:50,111 --> 00:42:52,590 I do love you, Anne, very much. 680 00:42:53,950 --> 00:42:56,550 Or why would I have stayed with you for all these years? 681 00:42:58,790 --> 00:43:00,869 'Don't do this.' 682 00:43:00,909 --> 00:43:04,789 Don't throw 36 years and two smashing boys away. 683 00:43:04,829 --> 00:43:07,549 'We can be happy again.' 684 00:43:07,589 --> 00:43:09,548 I promise we can. 685 00:43:09,588 --> 00:43:11,868 No. 686 00:43:11,908 --> 00:43:14,708 I don't think you do love me. 687 00:43:14,748 --> 00:43:18,387 Or maybe you just don't know what proper love is. 688 00:43:18,427 --> 00:43:20,027 Please. 689 00:43:20,067 --> 00:43:24,307 And either way... I don't love you any more. 690 00:43:24,347 --> 00:43:26,027 You've hurt me too much. 691 00:43:26,067 --> 00:43:28,706 You do love me. 'No.' 692 00:43:31,146 --> 00:43:34,586 No, I don't. And I want a divorce. 693 00:43:54,903 --> 00:43:58,063 'About eight months before my release, 694 00:43:58,103 --> 00:44:00,543 'I was transferred to an open prison 695 00:44:00,583 --> 00:44:03,942 'to help prepare me for my return to normal life. 696 00:44:05,582 --> 00:44:11,382 'And then in March 2011, a few days shy of nine years 697 00:44:11,422 --> 00:44:14,581 'since John had paddled out to sea, 698 00:44:14,621 --> 00:44:17,941 'I was released to a halfway house in Leeds. 699 00:44:23,340 --> 00:44:25,340 'I was finally free. 700 00:44:32,619 --> 00:44:35,699 'I'm not sure I'll ever truly understand 701 00:44:35,739 --> 00:44:37,939 'why I made the choices I did. 702 00:44:37,979 --> 00:44:42,378 'It was, as my counsellor said, complicated. 703 00:44:44,138 --> 00:44:45,898 'My children still struggle 704 00:44:45,938 --> 00:44:49,377 'and will certainly never be able to forget what I did to them, 705 00:44:49,417 --> 00:44:50,777 'nor should they. 706 00:44:52,057 --> 00:44:54,097 'We all know we're on a journey 707 00:44:54,137 --> 00:44:56,377 'that will last the rest of our lives, 708 00:44:58,016 --> 00:45:00,376 'but we are at least on that journey. 709 00:45:01,696 --> 00:45:03,976 'And for that gift, 710 00:45:04,016 --> 00:45:06,655 'I remain more grateful to them 711 00:45:06,695 --> 00:45:09,735 'than it will ever be possible to express. 712 00:45:16,174 --> 00:45:21,214 'They say the opposite of love is not hate, but indifference, 713 00:45:21,254 --> 00:45:24,413 'which is what I now feel for my ex-husband. 714 00:45:28,413 --> 00:45:30,773 'But I wish him well 715 00:45:30,813 --> 00:45:33,252 'and sincerely hope that he finds happiness. 716 00:45:35,172 --> 00:45:36,852 'I will try to do the same. 717 00:45:38,892 --> 00:45:43,131 'I will also keep trying to find me.' 718 00:46:20,527 --> 00:46:22,527 Subtitles by accessibility@itv.com 54030

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